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[–]UoAPUA 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
People shit on this stuff because it's 10x the effort that's actually needed to get laid. Not to mention it's more appealing to make yourself into a cool charming dude than a wannabe jedi weirdo.
[–]RoiOstrovsky 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I don't know man. Why waste time on sitting on these technical books rather than going out and finding your own formula? All of this stuff just fucks up your mind and clutters your thinking. Things are much simpler than people make them to be.
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
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First NLP has not been debunked.
It has been debunked.
"As NLP became more popular, some research was conducted and reviews of such research have concluded that there is no scientific basis for its theories..."
Repeatedly debunked.
Thirty-Five Years of Research.....The qualitative analysis indicates the greater weight of the non-supportive studies and their greater methodological worth against the ones supporting the tenets. Results contradict the claim of an empirical basis of NLP.
I've got citations to actual proof. OP's got emojis.
EDIT: I've literally just supplied proof that there's thirty five years worth of studies debunking NLP. Dismissing that based on anecdotal evidence is pretty much confirmation bias.
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the shogun method
The guy who made the "shogun method," claims he learned it after a "year-long quest" led him to "an ultra-secretive group known as the MKDELTA."
MKDelta. A decommissioned CIA program that ended in the early 70s.
Right.
This stuff doesn't even hold up to a simple Google search worth of research.
Does manipulation work? Sure. But old school game pushed by Style and Mystery already has this covered, without this whole business of thinking that you're making a girl think something, by programming her in various ways.
I've had a lot of female friends say that guys have tried this stuff on them, and they think it's pretty laughable. One just had a guy try to do the "keep her in agreement" thing by asking her things she'd agree with. We'll just say that it didn't work.
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/u/Lambdal7, /u/UoAPUA, /u/RoiOstrovsky; As if it weren't clear enough already, the reason why people "are down" on this stuff, is because it truly has been debunked. Guys like this are responsible for the bad rep PUA coaches get for taking advantage of guys who are lonely.
Just posting a bunch of claims backed up with nothing, doesn't mean anything. (Well, he did use some emojis.)
[–]iamwarrior991 points 8 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Like I said. I was just answering the common question. "Has anyone tried the shogun method?" And "does it work?" I'm aware of the studies which should be updated. Because NLP is not a hand full of techniques there's hundreds if not thousands of techniques in the system. and of course some are gonna be total b.s. but there's no way they went through each individual technique, and disapproved every one of them. They couldn't have debunked techniques like anchoring or as psychology calls it conditioning. Phobias exist and a phobia is a negative anchor caused by a traumatic event that has a specific trigger. but I guess phobias can't be real because of studies. Milton Ericsson (the father of modern hypnosis) must be a fraud. What a coincidence that he hasn't been sued. Those people that say NLP doesn't work has obviously never been to a charismatic church. I didn't come here to prove anything. I just came to share my personal experience and no bar graph or pie chart will ever change what I've accomplished and will accomplish. Now tell them more about those studies. Anyone that wants to know more just pm me. Okay now on with the studies tell them why people like Ross Jeffries hasn't been sued
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Because NLP is not a hand full of techniques there's hundreds if not thousands of techniques.....some are gonna be total b.s. but there's no way they went through each individual technique, and disapproved every one of them.
No, the body of work across 35 years, has disproved the core principles involving the idea that someone can take control of another person against their will.
They couldn't have debunked techniques like anchoring or as psychology calls it conditioning.
This is where really studying the history of this, is valuable. You present conditioning as if NLP invented it.
Conditioning was first described by Pavlov in the 1890s.
NLP was a theory some guys came up with in the 1970s.
Just because they attempted to explain conditioning with their theory, does not make conditioning NLP. And disproving NLP doesn't disprove conditioning.
Those people that say NLP doesn't work has obviously never been to a charismatic church.
NLP doesn't own a patent on charisma. NLP is/was simply an attempt to describe something in the world. A theory. And that's fine. People come up with theories and those theories get tested.
Look at Freud. His early theories were groundbreaking. They're also largely disproved; we know that his idea of developmental "stages" were heavily influenced by his own biases.
But to get back to NLP, the issue with it, is this idea that people think others can be controlled against their will. And while people can certainly be controlled, this requires a degree of permission from the controlled person.
And the problem is, it's a lot of trouble for nothing; if one wants to use NLP on someone to "seduce" them, anyone who it would work on, is actually someone that the guy in question could seduce without going to all the trouble.
[–]Lambdal7 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Do you have good reaources for nlp? I've look but never found any good.
[–]juandantex -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Don't really know what to say about this, NLP works, the reason why poeple say so shit about NLP is because it works. They elites don't want the mass to use it because the elite will lose power, in consequence they thought the mass to say that NLP doesn't work.
But, for the Shogun Method, what is important is can you get laid with it ? If you can't get laid there is no point.
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