I have no problem getting matches on tinder. I always find a way to fuck it up somehow though, and that's my problem. I worry that if I have too much of a regular, boring, mediocre type conversation that they'll be turned off, and on the flip side if I end up being too out there bold and extravagant that they'll be turned off as well...

Unfortunately I'm more like the latter. Not very subtle. I told a girl just the other night on the second message that I'm old school and would probably be asking her out by the 5th message. Sounds dumb right? I suck at this whole "trying to have a good conversation on a fuck-app type thing"

I wanna connect with a girl in person because I'm telling you fellas... When I ACTUALLY get a girl out on a date with me, that's when the magic happens! I've been in the community for years and I've learned some good infield stuff but tinder is something I haven't mastered yet.

Knowing how many messages in to go for the number... Whether or not you should try to build sexual tension on the app or to just wait for that in person.... I'm getting matches, my profile is killer and my pics are pretty damn good, and it's all going to waste most likely because I'm coming off to strong, and to add to all this I worry that if I continue with these long ass conversations that drag on for fucking 20 messages I'm still gonna be wasting time...

Any help would be most appreciated