What’s wrong?

pnadlerlaw · 2019-10-03T13:01:24+00:00

In my experience, women from Poland, Ukraine, and separately, Belarus, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Russia, Georgia (the country, not the state), and even Armenia (basically eastern bloc former USSR countries) ... want to see and feel a more “traditional” / “stereotypical” male gender role with the man they’re going to feel attracted to.

Obviously, women are individuals. So, you will always meet women from Poland, Ukraine, Russia, etc., who have very bad and negative experiences with the type of men they intentionally filter into their lives ... and are now looking for more easy going and less rough / aggressive men. This is especially true of Armenian girls in California.

Belarus is one of those countries (and areas of the former USSR) whose people were naturally helpful and supportive, and this spills over mostly onto the women. They make excellent teachers and nurses, and during moments of crisis, they find stability in defaulting to a 100% committed support role and function.

So, naturally, their default is looking for a strong “leader” who they can “support.” That doesn’t mean she’s looking to be his mother. That doesn’t mean she’s looking to be a housewife. That just means, she’s looking to role play with a certain kind of man ... that helps her feel like the woman she wants to feel like.

What does she want to see from you? First of all, you have to pretend you’re a little stupid. Men are stupid, throw rocks at them. Right? In the female subculture, men are stupid and inferior. So, just go with that. Second, because they are stupid, they have a lot of advantages. One of those advantages is what I call (WoW reference; rogues, assassination spec) “deadened nerves.”

You can totally be a woman and think about and drive yourself crazy with all the nuanced, “oh, she did this, but didn’t do this, and what does this mean, and this likely means that, and ...” female bullshit. You can be that way, and you can turn off these kinds of women with that behavior ... because they don’t feel like having a relationship with a woman (in a man’s body).

You can also be a man, and just take external reality at face value, and stick to the top-most layer of the onion only. She didn’t text you? She’s not playing games. She’s not playing hard to get. She just didn’t text you. Your text to her should not carry with it this lingering aroma (or, rather, “stench”) of, “how come you didn’t text me, bitch?” Instead, it should make her feel like, “Hey, I missed you. I want you. You didn’t text me, so I texted you. The end. How are you? You doing anything this weekend? I’d love to take you to ___.”

That makes her feel like her grandmother’s, mother’s, aunt’s, older sister’s, Russian TV / magazine’s / website’s “games” are “working on you,” and that she is “winning you over” by gaming you in her female ways ... making you more in love with, invested in her, and therefore, more loyal and committed to her. It lets her feel safe and secure with you not leaving her or walking away from her for someone else who comes along.

I understand you’re an intelligent, educated, emotionally mature, sensitive, self-aware, etc. man. But that’s not the man she needs you to be right at this particular moment in time. You can be that man when you’ve established a more intimate relationship with her. Until then, you’re physically attracted to her, you think she’s “nice” and “not a bitch,” and that’s that. It’s not more complicated than that. Why? Because you’re a man, and men are basic, men are stupid, men are predictable, and easily manipulated ... by women. This is familiar. This is understandable. Therefore, this is safe and comfortable.

She wants to date a man, not a woman. That’s all that means.

So, keep it surface level and basic. Don’t overthink things. In fact, just don’t think, period. What do you feel like doing? You find her attractive? Did you enjoy talking? Have a good time? Good. So, text her. Wondering how she’s doing? Good. Text her. Not to get some reaction, but just to give her the courtesy of letting her know you’ve been thinking about her. It’s vulnerable. It’s courteous. It’s emotionally generous. Then, be direct. Don’t pussyfoot. “What are you doing this weekend? I was going to see the Joker, but I would rather not go see it alone, and go grab something to eat afterwards.”

That’s it. Don’t overcomplicate it.

axe122 · 2019-10-04T14:35:46+00:00

Let me know how the phone call goes don’t hesitate!

rich_god · 2019-10-03T12:42:42+00:00

Soooo... what's wrong ? Seems like she is interested, but as a conservative girl will not initiate flirting or even reciprocate too much. Some people need more time than others.

axe122 · 2019-10-03T15:44:25+00:00

It sounds like you just need to call her and ask her when she’s free to get together for whatever you like? Ask her like that so she picks a day, if she knows you’ll give her any free time you have you’ll lose value in her eyes and will turn her off she’ll flake on the date. It sounds like your texting and being elusive I believe was the word you used but instead be direct and assertive. It’s much more nerve racking to rock the boat but at least you’ll know if she’s interested. If she reached out to you she’s probly interested in you but if you keep pussyfooting around she’ll lose interest. Ask her how our exactly how I told you. In fact call her for a 10 min phone call no longer. To ask her out she will almost definitely say yes if you do it this way. Ask her when she’s free to get together? Wig she says I’m really busy or really busy this week maybe next week that’s a nice way of saying no. If she gives you a date you tell her a time and place (pre picked) don’t do that whole well what’s you wanna do , I’ll do whatever you wanna do things.(it turns them off)

axe122 · 2019-10-04T13:51:09+00:00

It depends how confident you are if you feel good about it and you know she’ll be there then asking in person is a lot ballsier don’t text her for a date call her it will make you stand out, don’t talk for more than 10 -15 min max on the phone I usually try for 8-10 sometimes they don’t stop talking and try and keep you on the phone, this is a sign of high interest but you off the phone. They will be super excited to see you and continue that conversation but if you become phone buddies even if she’s your girlfriend she will get bored just trust me on that. If she’s calling you you can talk and answer for 10-12 min but again you always be the one to I lend the interaction and you only message her when you are setting up a date or have something legit to say. Don’t deny her your attention if she’s seeking it though, that’s when it becomes playing games and they know what your doing and don’t like it. The key is to appear busy and not needy at all so you call to set dates and hang with her in person but don’t have time to chit chat unless she’s calling you. The difference is we generally don’t care if they have insecurities or a little needy with attention but it send them running for the hills if we act like that. So act as if your busy all the time and eventually you’ll atop wanting to text her all day because when you see just how positive the results are from these new behaviors they just become who you are. Your indifference is a turn on she has to feel like she earned you and your love and didn’t just get it cuz she’s hot. As for the friend being there he’s probly doing the same thing your doing lol so don’t worry about him I wouldn’t ask her out in front of him cuz if she knows he likes her and is on the fence about you she may say no as to not hurt his feelings, it can also make her uncomfortable. Don’t be afraid to assert dominance offer the conversation with her and that guy till he leaves so you can ask her but I want you to have the best chance of getting her. So you could call or do it in person no text!

axe122 · 2019-10-04T14:22:08+00:00

I don’t know what that text means. I would do it like this since you don’t seem comfortable asking in person and rejection is easier in the beginning over the phone. Call her talk for 5 min ask her when she’s free to get together? You have a time and place that you wanna go, do not ask her what she wants to do women like a decisive man not a aupplicating littlw boy who will do anything she wants just to hang out with her.

axe122 · 2019-10-04T14:37:51+00:00

If you feel bette irl do irl.

Title	What’s wrong?
Author	Dont_nerf
Upvotes	1
Comments	24
Date	October 3, 2019 12:09 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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