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[–]SedditQ2 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You could do it for love. But plenty do it as a game/for sport and/or to just feed narcissism or egos. Others just like the sex, and this is a much much better option than a prostitute.
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[–]Ragondux 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think the issue with oneitis if believing you can love someone before you get to know them and date them for a while. Seduction is a way to get to know girls, build attraction and maybe start a relationship. Love is built on that.
People who have it backwards (ie. most of us at the beginning) start by falling in love, then try to seduce their love interest and become devastated when it doesn't work out.
[–]recipricating 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i think thats a perfect definition of oneitis. (is* not if right?) this is like a "fake love" built by hallucinations. like people who fall in love with celebrities. And its not derived from real experience with the girl in which you're required to learn about her. when i think about seduction i think about being really good at getting girls to the point where they eagerly spread their legs for me. the characters who do this, tend to have serial oneitis. but is heavily built on hallucinations, therefore they also become very cold. It seems to me very similar things happen with 'love at first sight.'
[–]recipricating 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
this is also why i dont think seduction technically qualifies as self-help. as you're helping yourself to do what exactly? some guys here really follow gurus somewhat dogmatically, i've spoken to a few. is finding "love" good for those gurus businesses? the models i've seen are generally, open, attract, comfort, seduce, damage control/ or maintenance. lol wheres the love?
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[–]ghostofafrog 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I love most of the people I share my time with, including some of the women I do sexy time with.
thats what im talking about!
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
__1: Exaggeration much?__
I havent seen anyone mention "love" at all.
Haven't seen ANYONE? Let me help you with that.
Your basic point still stands, but the exaggeration is unnecessary. People talk about love here, just not very frequently. Mostly because a lot of guys here are damaged in some way, honestly.
But you kind of knew that, didn't you?
__2: Love isn't the first thing on the mind after a break-up__
is it like a blasphemous word here? is it synonymous with supplicating? I dont think so.
Many guys here are coming off of broken relationships and/or break-ups. And you wonder why "love" isn't something they post about?
Many guys here haven't ever had a relationship or sex, and their only experience of "love" is obsessing over a girl from afar in an unreciprocated way. And you wonder why they have a strained relationship with "love?"
__3:Origin of seduction = sex, not love__
the concept of seduction were built by lovers.
Uh, we don't know this. At the very least, it was "built" by people who wanted to fuck. I mean, come on, they talk about seduction in one of the oldest documents we have and it's not about love when they do. It's about horny people tempting each other.
Perhaps you've gained a romantic view of the origins of seduction because of figures like Casanova. Which would be ironic, because he had a reputation as a horny womanizer.
That said, there's no reason that you can't say that you prefer love to be connected to seduction. But trying to say that it originally came from love, is probably false, definitely unprovable, and irrelevant to that anyway.
__4: Casanova = PIMP!__
I suppose it was infiltrated by pimps.
I guess Casanova could be considered a "pimp." At least in the way that the term refers to a guy who has an easy time with the ladies.
__5: Maybe it's not the sex, but what comes with freely given sex__
If meat pounding is your only goal, shouldnt you just get prostitutes to save you time, energy, and frustration?
If a guy only wants sex, they should pay money, when seduction leads to consenting sex with a woman for free? You honestly think that a guy who just wants sex, should prefer to PAY for it, when the alternative is sex for free, not to mention the validation he gets from persuading or attracting a girl that far?
Also, you can't see how it would make a guy feel like a loser that he can't get sex without paying for it? I'm straining to assume good faith about your post here but it's hard to not see this as trolling.
__6: Prostitution is not required for casual sex partners to BOTh get something__
prostitutes, wherein you both get a little something for your time.
Both people get something out of sex, even when it doesn't require money to change hands. Validation goes both ways. And while some guys suck at sex, plenty are good enough for a girl to enjoy it at least some.
__7: Casual sex partner doesn't equal someone you can't chill with__
if you love her, you fuck more, and you enjoy fucking and chilling with her afterwards, and it can build into something that can grow fruitfully.
Being in a loving relationship doesn't = more sex. At all. Most relationships go through an ebb and flow. But a guy who's casually dating can easily find himself having sex regular sex, even with women he enjoys chilling with. :P
A lot of guys also only have sex with people they actually like having a conversation with, whether or not the goal is casual or serious. The idea that the choices here are "serious relationship" or "sex with someone you don't want to 'fuck more' or 'chill with,'" is kind of ridiculous.
Speaking for myself, I've specialized in pretty much only having sex with girls I can have a conversation with and like chilling with before or after sex. I didn't think this was a huge standard to have, but apparently your view of the scene here is that guys just have trashy one-night stands with girls they are disgusted with?
[–]recipricating 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
exagegeration much? no not really, this post is one of the top links. lol “you knew that didn’t you?” i don’t think they are damaged. i think the newbies are educated by private institutions who benefit from an incomplete knowledge. in others words, they are in a process of corruption by teachers who lead them to get new pussy instead of say finding the “new pussy” within their current girl. You could have 3 different girlfriends, and first one didn’t work out because of this, the second one didn’t work out for me because that , and third one helps you to realize that they weren’t the problem. that its the easy way out to expect other people to change, but its not so easy to do the work to change and transform ourselves.
the damaged guys you refer to, i suppose you mean the “just broke up” crowd. These guys above all, are the ones that want this back desperately one way or another. That’s what they learn here, to do it the best way possible. They learn to learn from it so that they can make the right moves at the right time with the right girl.
?? verse 18. 3b. and I think of don juan, alfie, and mystery. (casanova i know the least about) guys who are for sure “lover” characters. They have that problem I mentioned. They fall in love with the “one” quiet often. i think womanizer is an unfair assessment LOL. I think this character has a lot to teach the newb and the recently heart broken. they allowed themselves to fall for a woman all over again. AND their vigor inspires others to rekindle the roman antics inside of their own relationships. also, this is persuasive. on the other hand, relentlessly knocking on doors will burn anyone out after a while. instead of “practicing” in this format, they could let the flood gates open (with the new found gentle knowledge) and simply go for the ones, that easily stir this within them. persistence and seeing things from her side come more naturally. and when this girl’s scent lingers on me, omg.
pimps are the cold managers of women (or people) who sell sex for money. Usually guys. this character infiltrated the place of the “lover.” especially the degenerative philosophy that are poster children of anti-women sentiments. In part, i think its the coldness of a computer integrated era, replacing peoples hearts with a digital pacemaker. lolll a pimp means one thing only. is the game teaching guys to be a diluted version of this character? this should be challenged for the sake of the clients Hitch would prefer.
free? not if he value his time. are we going by 7 hours? thats a long time. especially with each “next conquest.” we don’t treat business or education like this, just video games. but these are human lives and unlike a video game you can’t just hit the reset. Imagine being faithfully married to your high school sweetheart? Ive met guys and girls that both shudder at the thought lol. but where is that coming from? I’m not so sure its justified.
hey who doesnt like some casual sex? actually a lot of guys don’t. they worry too much. they want Nadia. they know her for a while, and they feel something, and they want to slam-dunk with her. casual sex makes the man more desirable. but does it really benefit the girl to not have the option of keeping a man she let penetrate her, probably without a condom? anyway, identifying the type of person you’d like to attract and getting her is game. more so than going out and “pimping it” whatever that means. I assume it means successfully turning spam approaching into a one night stand.
Its important that your thoughts and behaviors need to be sharp, and your emotions need to be accessible. The most powerful emotions are FEAR and LOVE.
its fucked up that what the leaders and creators of current seduction as well as creators of a lot of technology, what they are doing is introducing nemesis into the system. people who create this technology are a bunch of geeks. and what they are transferring is their geekdom into the machines. and the geekdom feeds on your tension or what your doing that doesnt fit into what they want to hear. my friend calls it a trojan horse and thats all i say about it.
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
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exagegeration much? no not really, this post is one of the top links.
Irrelevant.
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the damaged guys you refer to, i suppose you mean the “just broke up” crowd....
And the "never been kissed crowd." The "geeks" as you called them.
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and I think of don juan, alfie, and mystery. (casanova i know the least about) guys who are for sure “lover” characters..... pimps are the cold managers of women (or people) who sell sex for money. Usually guys. this character infiltrated the place of the “lover.”
and I think of don juan, alfie, and mystery. (casanova i know the least about) guys who are for sure “lover” characters.....
pimps are the cold managers of women (or people) who sell sex for money. Usually guys. this character infiltrated the place of the “lover.”
No, the concept of "pimps," hasn't supplanted the idea of "lover." Pick-up artists like Mystery, Alfie, Don Juan, have.
Arguing for guys here to consider "love," but holding up paragons of pick-up artistry.
Nice troll.
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free? not if he value his time.
You said that casual sex was only about "meat-pounding," and suggested that guys should just pay for it.
But casual sex isn't just about "meat-pounding," it's about validation and the thrill of being able to navigate the social process of getting to sex, without money. Paying for it, strips away too much of what guys want, out of sex.
It's like you've read about humans, but you aren't one.
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and the geekdom feeds on your tension or what your doing that doesnt fit into what they want to hear.
Is this a person or like a second run of Tay Ai? Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality....
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