So I'm not that old, I haven't had a myriad of terrible relationships, I've had a handful and none have been any good. I told myself I was done with women about a year ago now and only found this sub recently. I occasionally sleep with women when the opportunity arises but I don't actively go out and try to get laid. I still try and be a decent human being though, I have a handful of female friends that are on the lesser end of the crazy scale (which is still batshit insane) and they know that I am stubbornly apathetic towards relationships, they are stupid and I don't want one. Simple as that.

And you know what I've learned?

Women HATE being friendzoned.

Numerous times I've been talking to women and I'll hold a conversation with them but as soon as they begin to get feelings for me or get flirty, I very openly shut them down. This doesn't happen too often mind, I'm not the best looking dude in the world, but I can pick up on the blunt social cues of a whore. I never act like I want anything more than friendship with women and even then, I'd prefer to just be aquaintances. I know if I let one in, they'll go straight for the wallet. And women cannot stand it.

'oh you're gay then?' 'you must be so picky and shallow' 'have fun being alone'

All things I've heard so called 'friends' say when I say I don't want anything to do with them romantically.

It's funny to me though because when people witness my interactions with women they assume I'm In the 'friendzone' when it's usually the other way around. Most women don't fucking care about actual relationships between humans, the idea that people talk and hang out just for the fact that they enjoy each others company and conversation, you know NORMAL FUCKING FRIENDSHIP. They don't value anything another person could offer like insight, wisdom, humour, stories and forming memories. No they only view people by what they can leech off of them such as social standing and money.

And such is my philosophy, I'm not a dick, I'm not a bad person and will treat everyone as equal, but I am NOT looking for a relationship, I am NOT looking to let myself be exploited and I am NOT an object you can associate yourself with for your personal gain. Talk to me with the respect I would give you and we can form a friendship, they're far more valuable than what you superficially call 'love'

And this brings me to the main difference between the male friend zone and female friendzone. The women I shut down fuck off immediately when they realise they can't leech anything off of me, even if we'd known each other for a while, any kind of rapport evaporates instantly. Men however, at least the betas, will cling to this friendship, hoping it changes some day, giving the woman everything she wants, the ability to fuck whomever she pleases and the attention and affection she needs from the beta. And there's the crux, they NEED something from us, they NEED attention. We don't need jack shit from them, and the sooner they realise that, the sooner they might try and get their shit together (lol no they won't they'll just blame men).