Remember- this sub isn’t about completely isolating yourself from women

DangZagnut · 2020-01-16T01:06:05+00:00

I’d politely counter and say there’s no such thing and a “good” woman, as that’s obviously subjective.

I’d say that they simply serve no purpose. Similarly to me buying a dolphin. I just don’t need one. It offers nothing to my life and just is a liability.

colttaine · 2020-01-16T01:24:04+00:00

Right, the old "You just haven't met the right woman yet."

Thanks for the advice. But I think I'll pass....

Tellnone25 · 2020-01-16T01:59:53+00:00

Ugh, you Tradcucks disgust me. We have living proof that without authority, a wife and kids has a high chance of ending badly for us men.

The YouTuber TechLead with his wife leaving him and taking his kid, Brendan Fraser and his divorce-rape from his cunt of an ex-wife. Robbin Williams with his 3 divorces and suicide, then Stan Lee dying with his caretaker who held him hostage then after his death his children fighting over his wealth, ect.

But here you are telling us to play Russian roulette with 5 bullets with the 6th having a 50/50 chance of going off.

The Bad End that comes with marriage is so bad that I rather play my version of Russian roulette than anything else.

Also that guy who got false accused of rape while helping a girl with her car in a gas station. His wife divorced him. No loyalty.

ParalyticPoison · 2020-01-16T01:12:15+00:00

I try to isolate myself from toxic people, that's why I do what I can to isolate myself from women.

bjones7028 · 2020-01-16T01:22:28+00:00

You are correct this sub is not about isolation.

But if isolation is what someone wants this sub supports it. To be clear this sub is about doing what you want.

Explicitly denying any shaming for not conforming.

Actually many here would be happy to grow old without the company of women. Some would. Just so long as you don’t have a binding contract than essentially inslaves you to another’s whims enforced by the corrupt family court

Sekhayet · 2020-01-16T01:15:18+00:00

Risk >> Reward. The stats don't lie. There are good women... there's just way more bad ones. Not worth it.

ShugokisMoobies · 2020-01-16T01:17:26+00:00

Unfortunately AWALT

2020-01-16T01:56:55+00:00

and you want to grow old and happy with the right woman

I also want to win the lottery.

I'm still not stupid enough to buy lotto tickets, tradcuck. No woman is worth betting your life on.

binbagaccount · 2020-01-16T02:01:01+00:00

My parents want me to get married and all that shit and conform. Oh you're married one day, one day you're have a wife and kids, you say you won't now, but you will. I'm 22 nearly and all my life I never wanted kids and my ex and ex friend put me right off bothering with female relationships ever again.

But hey there plenty of fish in the sea, just this sea is a god dam snake pit, so I hard pass. Tell me when my time to die, I be happy then.

PrinceRaj53 · 2020-01-16T02:37:47+00:00

Well, I do love some cliche humour in the morning, while mom brings me my bed tea/green tea before I get ready for tuition and school(I can make one myself, but since she is in the house...).

Anyways, just a basic question from my side : Whenever someone uses the "trussst me, you want to have kids/wife/family", why does the argument always start with the "you haven't found the right woman"/"grow old and happy with the right woman" cliche?"grow old with the right woman"? What kind of weird fantasy is that exactly? I mean, this line is older than my great grandfather's birth.

As for the "good/right woman", What is this so called "good women"? What does it even mean? Good for what exactly? What does "good" mean in this context?

And how does that in any way stop a gynocentric society or the asymmetrical legal system against men?

And even if she's "good", that has to translate into a INR(indian currency) amount/USD amount or reduction in expenses. Which means basically unpaid slavery.

Dowry is a no go because countries dont allow that, which means I am getting jack shit for investing my commitment.

Secondly, as for cooking, I am not a bad one so its not an issue at all. Like to do it and enjoy it as well.

As for sex, any man can sexually pleasure himself by going out and doing it in various ways than any woman ever can do to him, and when I have been with women I'm doing all the work, gaming, positioning, fucking, etc etc, which is fun occasionally, but gets tiring. It's like planning a huge romantic weekend and she just has to show up on time to have things done for her. Wheeeee. Relationship!!

So where are we? Ah yes, good, right, etc. So "good/right women"? So, the tradcon definition which include Moral and ethical? Why the fuck would I care about that? That serves no benefit to me. Its some superficial nonsense like love. "Oh she is moral", yes, so what? Whats that gonna do for me?

So define "good/right woman". Unless she's just giving me sex and cash, shutting up, and staying out of the way, I guess she's either a shield for me when the call of duty zombie apocalypse happens or a food source for zombies when the zombies take over completely.

As for thats "but mah biological legacy" stuff, trust me, no man cares about his biological legacy. Its an idea implemented by society to stroke his ego in order to make him submit to the idea of marriage.

If an individual man, I for example, can manage to maintain my life simply, without any complications and issues, then the only reason for me to get married is to fulfill some sick compulsion of giving a booty more than half of my stuff.

Marriage is like spending money, time, energy and effort into making a declaration to a bunch of people who are there to enjoy free drinks and food about how you are going to sign a one sided lousy contract to get a fake "all in one" package (lie spread by the religion/society, for which excuses vary from some "tax file" nonsense to whatever the excuses are) to "exclusively" see the same woman and her same face over and over and over and over again, every single day, every morning/evening/night, without makeup. Now thats a scary nightmare.

All in all, Marriage/LTR relationships are stupid, because they force you, the man to compromise on quality for little to no gain. Want to eat good food? Find a restaurant with a good cook. Want good sex? Pay for sex with a professional or simply go and pump and dump if thats your thing. Want a clean house? Hire a qualified maid service or simply do it yourself. You compromise on everything trying to get the infamous "all in one package" lie that tradcons and society wants to sell you.

Don't pay for stuff that you can't own or rent, otherwise they end up owning you afterwards.

Be practical about life mate, specially when it comes to women.

MrCarepig · 2020-01-16T01:15:23+00:00

TheKelticWolf · 2020-01-16T04:57:49+00:00

“Don’t swear off women.”

Nay. They are nothing more than simple distractions that get in the way of the true freedom, and knowledge of ~ oneself.

Dmapguy · 2020-01-16T05:07:02+00:00

??????

I isolate myself from people who I deem to have little value. MGTOW is not dependent on isolation yet it is an option if one chooses it. Your comments on "love" and growing old have been debunked on this sub ad nauseam I won't waste my time responding to that.

Lucius_Faust · 2020-01-16T08:29:44+00:00

Wow, an counter argument and without shaming. I'll gladly contest it and present my point of view.

TL;DR - Society is crazy. "Love", "Relationship", "Marriage", "Family" doesn't work, as it should. In conclusion you should avoid women because risk is too high and reward is too low if any - change my mind :D

I would first counter, that there is no "love" as we know it from poetry and literature. Attachement, attraction and lust - that's what hides behind "love" and "love life". I would also add here mutual respect and working for mutual goals. I think this is relevant somehow.

I agree that in earlier in history of human civilization "love", "family", "marriage", "relationship" were important part of life. But in the past law and society protected men commitment in family and shamed any moves to disrupt it. In case of divorce children were staying with the father, woman would get back to her family with exception of dowry and all were happy, as they could be in this situation. In case of children father needed also firstly to approve them as his own.

As an example. Cheating. In Ancient Roman Law there was a crime called "Adulterium" (yep...adultery etc.), which was commited by married wife and a guy who banged her, let us call him "Marcus Chadus Aurelius the Roman Chad". The husband (or the husbands father if husband was a cuck) could sue both his wife and "Marcus". The sentence ? Wife and "Marcus" would be taken half od their property and banished to a secluded island (but separately). They were also subjected to civil incapacities. Link here.

As civilization and technology developed criminalization of adultery etc. was slowly lifted and ingerence of the State in family was mostly reduced. Nevertheless Society still keeped both men and women in check. This ensured value and security of family despite lack of legal regulation in most part of domestic affairs.

And now we have "modern age" and what do we get ? Entitlement, sluttery, destruction of family, lack of respect and most importantly society where everything that women want, even if it's stupid and self-destructing - she get. If a man want to expect anything from a woman, he's shamed and "trampled" to the ground. Family and its values are a joke now. Men are going in a trap, where you can't expect anything and must provide everything. Your children may not be yours because paternity fraud is a fact and women have no remorse here. Even if you're in relationship women are encouraged to cheat their husbands to "save marriage", "explore themselves" or other bullshit reasons. In the end, if you get divorced you lose most of your assets, pay spousal and child support, and of course you see your children in limited time, if any.

Let's go to the second party of relationship - women. In the past women were encouraged to show their "feminity" - calm, kind, virtous, benevolent etc. Women helped in community, offered support to their husband, took care of household and children. They still were source of problems men have nowadays (remember AWALT), but they knew that if they'll cross the line or get caught, they'll be kicked in the curb and lose everything they have with her wife/matron status - family, children and support. So they were mostly held accountable for their actions.

Today...we get emasculated empowered and woke women, that being with them will leave you wonder if you're gay or still straight. Women aren't feminine now and all they can do is offer a loose piece of their archmage sleeve (aka pussy). All they care about today is their like status on social media and girl night out. Also the Plague of Single Mother...yikes, I don't have to explain that further. If they cheat or destroy their family - they'll get children, assets, forced support from the "Ex" and of course social support of Big Daddy Government.

And last thing to be honest the problem are also unfortunately men themselves or to be more specific lack of masculinity.

If you want to be masculine man you'll be shamed for that. You don't support feminism ? You're bad man. You won't spend 10k $ for 346th bag for your wife, because you want to save for household improvement, financial security or vacation ? You're cheap broke-ass man and commit financial harassment to her. You show woman border of what you accept in her behaviour or call out on her bullshit ? You're a controlling and low self-esteem asshole. Oh and you have to accept this Chadlette or Juanito from 2 different baby daddies, because single mothers are so strong, independent and you should pay for her past mistakes.

Masculine men don't take bullshit like that and improve themselves. But more and more men are putting slave collars just to experience these legendary "marriage" and "family security" at cost of their pride and health, just to be in the end raped in divorce court.

I hope I presented you my point of view but there are more problems like: women at workplaces and corporate culture, #MeToo or Rape Culture. It's statistialy impossible for all women to be bad - I give you that, but the search is not worth the reward with such menunfriendly environment.

I would also clarify that MGTOW is not about swearing off women, but avoiding them and knowledge of the risk that goes with them in Gynocentric Society. Only MGTOW Monks, archmasters of MGTOW are swearing off women.

selfism_mike · 2020-01-16T10:34:43+00:00

So you are telling people what they want? Thats talking like some bitch right there.

Farfromgood5000 · 2020-01-17T04:32:15+00:00

What kind of simpanese is this? A love life is important...problem is women are incapable of love. So I give myself what they won't or can't give me... Love.

Grow old with the right women? 🤔

How bout I upgrade every year?

Title	Remember- this sub isn’t about completely isolating yourself from women
Author	meme_man_warden
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Comments	28
Date	January 16, 2020 1:02 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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