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How Feminist and Liberal Women Have Ruined Marriage for Men

cassalata

June 18, 2016
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Title How Feminist and Liberal Women Have Ruined Marriage for Men
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cassalata

Upvotes 74
Comments 32
Date June 18, 2016 7:17 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4opveb/how_feminist_and_liberal_women_have_ruined/
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Comments

[–]cassalata[S] 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Marriage is in decline due to feminist and the family court!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

marriage is decline to a lot of factors 3rd wave feminism being one of them .

[–]Lethn 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Marriage was always a shitty proposal for men no matter what social conservatives like to say, it took Feminists and Liberals with their shitty man hating attitudes to finally tip it over the edge and make men avoid marriage entirely because the only thing men got in marriage was a beautiful woman who was supposed to love them forever.

Now they get absolutely fuck all and in fact, sometimes have their lives ruined because of it, so it's only natural they're staying the fuck away from it.

[–]bigbronze 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

In history, marriage allowed princes to become kings; and during the times when ownership was solely allowed only to men, a marriage would allow the man to inherit whatever his wife's family had once the father died.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm just going to point out here that prior to democracy or parliamentary monarchy coming along, the dominant social structure in western society was serfdom. 90% of all people in western Europe were serfs in 1150. There were still 21 million serfs in Russia in 1917 when the revolution hit.

Who do you think patrilineal procession and estate law benefited when 90% of the men in Europe couldn't leave the parcel of land they were tied to without getting arrested, and who had to cobble together a living for themselves and their family from whatever surplus they could scrape by on after they paid their due to the Lord?

The vast majority of men AND women had no property whatsoever. Hell, their kids became serfs the minute they were born, so even their children were someone else's property. Don't confuse the nobility with "men", because almost every man in Europe was chattel.

[–]Lethn -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That was then, this is now.

[–]bigbronze -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well I was just pointing out that before now, the only people who really benefited from marriage was men; and even then, some kings legally killed their wife's for not being able to produce children (boys preferably). Women did actually have it bad back then.

[–]PotatoDonki 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

To be fair though, the situation you describe was lived by the vast minority of people.

[–]bigbronze -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True, but to say marriage never benefited men before, is pretty wrong. It's just in today's society, there really isn't much benefit to marriage if any outside of religious reasons.

[–]dalef77 24 points25 points26 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The author of the article places the blame solely on feminist and liberal women. However, conservative and religious women often file for divorce for frivolous reasons, too, and will think nothing of using the family court system and the police against her husband.

Until things change for the better for men, the answer is MGTOW.

[–]Capitalsman 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't help but agree, it sounds left vs right to say but conservative women strongly believe in the whole woman scorned thing and treat it like justification for whatever they do including rediculous reasons for divorce.

[–]silly_vasily 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

they ruin everything. fucking ruined the army. I got praised for the job I do here but because I said vagina in a joke I was reprimanded

[–]McFeely_Smackup 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What was the joke?

[–]silly_vasily 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wanna hear a joke about vagina? Nah forget it you'll never get it

[–]joeviper25 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's what you get for being a pog.

[–]lastepoch 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Though I agree with certain points made in this article, as a whole I found it to be very weak. He brings up issues that were not relevant to the story the article was based on (i.e. child custody, law enforcement involvement) and does so in an overly-brief and angry manner.

He also included blanket statements like these:

Let’s face it, divorce has major consequences for men while women usually benefit from the divorce system.

Lets face it, modern women face no consequences or stigma from divorce.

Today’s men see marriage as a rigged game where they can’t win.

do not help his case and distracts from stronger points the article could have made instead.

Also, the author's link to 'Pew Research' actually leads to an article from a "christian living portal" website further interpreting the Pew study which they did not directly link to either.

Seems kinda like ranting in a corner to me...

That being said, I don't plan to marry any time sooner or later.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure why feminists and liberal women got all the credit, conservative women and the courts have all participated fully in destroying the institution of marriage...or at least making it the "sucker bet" to end all bets.

[–]Fallout541 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of people run at the first sign of trouble instead of trying to work it out.

[–]neightdog 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

More like freed men from the bondage of marriage

[–]worldrallyx 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Bill Burr put it best, if you were going parachuting and they told you over 50% of the parachutes wouldn't open, would you do it? I decided in my early 20's I was never getting married. I plan on getting a surrogate in my mid 30's and having one son. Marriage in this day and age has become a scary prospect.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I plan on getting a surrogate in my mid 30's and having one son.

oh boy...it's like you only read half the memo.

[–]worldrallyx 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'd rather pay the fee upfront for what I want. It'll be cheaper in the long run. If i wanted to get married I'd find a woman I hated and buy her a house.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The childs mother will still have a huge financial axe to hold over your head. having children with a woman is a far, far greater financial liability than marriage.

[–]worldrallyx 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The way it's done is with a contract. They are legally bound to birth a child via the mans sperm and then sever connections with the male. It's 10-20k iirc from my research. It's stipulated that there will be no connection post birth.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sounds like you've got a rock solid scenario there that has no chance of going badly that you could find dozens of examples for.

Good luck.

[–]worldrallyx 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How do you mean? (Serious question) I want to know everything that I'll be getting into

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most western jurisdictions overrule such contracts anyway, if shit hits the fan.

[–]BDMR_lurker 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't see how feminism has ruined gay marriage.

So I guess they have ruined marriage for straight men and women.

[–]probpoopin -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You mean the most violent relationship archetypes in existence? Also, how are you coming tot his conclusion? I would say, because it is such a new occurrence, there isn't enough data to support your argument. So, I don't know if you are just trying to be a smart ass troll or serious. It's impossible to make that determination. I wouldn't say gay relationships are better or worse, lesbian relationships have the highest domestic violence rate, so it isn't that either. The fug you talkin bout Willis?

[–]BDMR_lurker 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminism has been around for a few decades, gay marriage for a few years. There's no 'before' and 'after' feminism for gay marriage.

Also, feminists used to leave gay men well alone.

Of course, nowadays thay also want that share of victimhood.

[–]probpoopin 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just think you are comparing apples to oranges.

[–]irapejokes 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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