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[–]kinyutaka 46 points47 points48 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
In fairness, the vast majority of tubal ligation is done at the same time as a C-Section.
[–]DRU-ZOD1980 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Have an up vote, a well reasoned comment conveying new (to me anyway) information.
[+]random4808 points 9 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
I am curious about this. So, if you go in for an emergency C-Section as a woman they will ask you if you want to be (effectively) sterilized while under the immense amount of stress that must be child birth?
[–]kinyutaka 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
A lot of times, it's a decision made between the doctor and the couple during the pregnancy, but before the birth. However, a doctor might suggest a tubal during labor if a woman has already had successful pregnancies and are exhibiting signs of issues, like premature labor.
Health risks to both mother and child grow with age and number of pregancies, and a tubal is a cheap and effective way of preventing them, especially if they are already in there.
[–]This_is_my_phone_tho 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
neat
[–]anillop 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It has usually been discussed in advance and its something the surgeon has prepared for. I mean once you have the baby our and the mother open most of the work is already complete.
[–]MelkorHimself 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I don't think this is a gender equality issue so much as it's a cost issue. Vasectomies are relatively cheap ($500-1000), whereas a tubal ligation can be upwards of $6000. Modern vasectomies use a no-scalpel method that takes just ten minutes and results in no bleeding. Tubal ligations are more invasive and more complicated, so they are something insurance would be more inclined to cover.
[–]CatManDontDo 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Wouldn't insurance companies be more willing to pay for cheaper procedures?
[–]MelkorHimself 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Well, this is part of the reason why health insurance premiums are so high. When you cover everything the price has to increase. Imagine if car insurance covered replacement wiper blades, periodic car washes, and oil changes. Those premiums would be through the roof, too.
[–]CatManDontDo 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Hmm. Then how does this 'universal healthcare" I hear about in other countries work without people paying in insane premiums and co-pays?
[–]MelkorHimself 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Because they are single payer systems not built on a profit model, and the citizenry is also taxed out the ass to fund it.
[–]CatManDontDo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
OK so I guess what I really don't understand is the single payer thing.
Go go google
[–]mrwhibbley 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The citizens pay, on average, considerably less than citizens in the United States. When you factor in what you pay for your own health coverage, your employers contribution, your tax contribution to other low income health insurance plans, and your coats/deductibles, we in the United States pay much more. We have to cover fat cat CEO salaries, and sickenly sweet insurance commercials and advertising that costs billions. We have to pay for customer service departments, billing and collection departments, dispute departments and so on. All that costs money that would not be part of a single payer system. Now I'm not saying the government is good at doing things, but those are just costs that would not be involved. And most people I know from countries with government healthcare prefer that model over the American model.
[–]Florinator[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They also don't cover everything in the same way private insurance does. In the US over-utilization is a common occurrence, people have insurance, so they want procedures done that don't always make sense. In a single-payer system, you wouldn't get an MRI, just so you can rest assured everything is alright, unless a doctor requires it. In other countries there are also more restrictions on malpractice lawsuits, so doctors are not that afraid to say no.
[–]soul_in_a_fishbowl 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah that's not exactly how that works. The only way that would make sense is if the tubal ligation is only covered on a plan with higher premiums or deductibles.
It does make sense if you look at it as a form of eugenics and the insurance companies are incentivizing women to sterilize themselves.
[–]duhhhh 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As part of the ACA all healthcare policies must cover female contraception with no deductible. It does not cover male contraception, so insurance policies require a deductible just like any other procedure. Is this female privilege because their care is free and men have to pay? Yes. Is it sexism against poor women because a poor couple will likely choose to have the woman undergo a far riskier procedure with a longer recovery rather than pay $1k for the safer/simpler procedure on the man? Yes. But why would feminist lobbyists make men or poor women a priority?
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I am curious about this. So, if you go in for an emergency C-Section as a woman they will ask you if you want to be (effectively) sterilized while under the immense amount of stress that must be child birth?
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