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London rape trial collapses after phone images undermine case

JohnKimble111

January 15, 2018
87 upvotes
/r/MensRights
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Title London rape trial collapses after phone images undermine case
Author

JohnKimble111

Upvotes 87
Comments 10
Date January 15, 2018 4:49 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7qkwsn/london_rape_trial_collapses_after_phone_images/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/london-rape-trial-collapses-after-phone-images.907765
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Comments

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Police are obviously being instructed to not investigate both sides to an allegation. Once an allegation has been made, they are required to "believe the victim" and then build a case against the "suspect", which would mean focusing on evidence that supports their own case.

Police guide to rape complaints:
1) receive allegation
2) try and obtain a conviction

[–]Apexbreed 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You're actually pretty much correct. Im prior law enforcement (10 years, ending as a major crimes detective) and what you said is the standard for case work.

Basically, cop receives complaint, investigates accusation, attempts to get a statement from suspect (if warranted), then investigate any claims of defense, then make arrest decision. The fucked up part is that if the suspect doesn't give a statement, the cop has no defense to investigate (and isn't required to randomly wander around hoping to stumble on a suspects defense on his behalf) then the decision to arrest is almost a guarantee. All evidence will be againt the suspect, and none against the accuser. Legally the officer is required to arrest based on probable cause. 100% evidence vs 0% defense means the suspect will have to go to court to be tried.

This is the American way, but I know things are marginally sifferent in the U.K.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think the UK are missing the "investigate" part. What you said sounds almost reasonable and unsurprising.

[–]Apexbreed 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I'm kinda curious now what the U.K. police have as far as exculpatory responsibilities go. From the looks of the news lately, it sounds like fuck all. They need to get their shit together...

[–]JohnKimble111[S] 29 points30 points31 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To be clear, this is yet another case of the Met Police / CPS trying to frame innocent men - it's not a repost.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

er... and once again, no mention of the woman who has clearly made a false allegation.

[–]ZimbaZumba 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why is the woman not being prosecuted?

[–]ipwr85 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Vagina privilege.

[–]Wisemanner 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Miniature recording devices and CCTV gave been two modern inventions that have saved the skin of many falsely accused men.

[–]DavidByron2 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why you should never vote in a jury to convict a man of raping a woman. Rape as a crime is now politicized as a weapon to attack men and the courts are rigged. Maybe not as blatantly as this time but this shows the open bias of the prosecution and "justice " system against men especially in rape cases.

As a juror you must be sure that the facts admit no other reasonable explanation. Unfortunately because of shit like this as a juror you can never be sure of the evidence in a rape case because it might have been rigged for political reasons to convict an innocent man. And if you can't be sure of guilt then you should not vote to convict.

The case might look good but so far as you know there could be evidence you haven't seen which completely proves the innocence of the defendant. The defense lawyers could have been prevented from admitting this evidence by rape shield laws or they might not even have been told about it (as here). What are the odds? Does this happen in half of rape cases? A tenth?

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