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Reminder: The public hearing on the Massachusetts bill to ban circumcision is Tuesday, March 2

nullibicity

March 2, 2010

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Title	Reminder: The public hearing on the Massachusetts bill to ban circumcision is Tuesday, March 2
Author	nullibicity
Upvotes	14
Comments	47
Date	March 2, 2010 12:13 PM UTC (16 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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Reason? You call that reasoning? You are at least an 8 on that scale.

You want to decide If I can circumcise my son or not. Who the fuck do you think you are?
You pretend circumcision has no benefits. It does. Is a man better off circumcised or uncircumcised? Circumcised. It really isn't an opinion. It's based on fact. What is an opinion is a statement like, "Circumcision isn't necessary." No. To crazy people like you and insurance companies the benefits aren't worth the costs.
You think my children need to forgive me because I had them circumcised? Dood, you are so over the line with that shit.
Do you really need to cut your child's hair or trim their nails? Why mutilate them like that? I believe most parents do it against their child's will! Don't get me started on the forced soap and water immersion so many inflict upon their children!
Yep, your just another nut getting his nose in other peoples business. Worse yet you use children to further your busybody ways... Shame on you.

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t's a very slippery slope going from cutting off a portion of the tissue from a penis, while still keeping it functional, to lobbing off a breast in its entirety.

There's no need to "lop off" the breasts - you simply have to remove the mammary tissue, leaving the skin and pectoral muscles intact.

Granted, there may be other ways of treating or preventing conditions like HIV, but some parents and doctors feel this is another line of defense.

Circumcision only offers such benefits if you're having unprotected sex. Slap on a rubber, which you should be doing anyways, and it no longer makes a difference.

But you can't take away the option from parents who feel it is in the best interest of their child ... culturally.

You most certainly can do that. Parents' right to express their culture does not supersede a child's right to not be mutilated. Replace "foreskin" with "clitoral hood" and pretty much anyone will tell you that it's an abominable practice, even though it is a similarly cosmetic procedure. (Note, I'm not comparing male circumcision to the practice in some countries of removing the entirety of the female's external genitalia, which is an order of magnitude more horrible.).

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There's no need to "lop off" the breasts - you simply have to remove the mammary tissue, leaving the skin and pectoral muscles intact.

From his comment he made it sound like we should cut off the entire breast, not remove a small section, which led to my comment.

Circumcision only offers such benefits if you're having unprotected sex. Slap on a rubber, which you should be doing anyways, and it no longer makes a difference.

I see alot of people having unprotected sex even though they know the risks of not using a condom, like pregnancy, STDs, and AIDS. What I'm saying is that a situation may arise where they're having sex unprotected and circumcision may provide a defense against their stupid behavior.

I agree with you they shouldn't be allowed to mutilate their child for culture reasons, however the problem arises because people don't see circumcision as mutilation while others do. My parents didn't see it that way, and neither did my sister when her son was circumcised.

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And we wouldn't expect it to become common because we have treatments available to take care of breast cancer. Circumcision didn't start out as a way to prevent HIV, but some studies have shown it may provide an inherent benefit to help prevent the spread of it. Is the study all-inclusive or 100% right? No, we can never tell since there are so many variables that come into play, so more research is needed. Did I say that it was better than condoms than preventing it? No, you should use every defense against something like HIV that you can. Will the practice disappear once a vaccine or cure for HIV is found? No, it existed for other reasons besides HIV prevention.

Thank you for attacking my character and grouping me in with people who mutilate female genitalia. When I mentioned culture reasons I was talking about religious reasons as well as people who find a circumcised penis more aesthetically pleasing.

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Parents are allowed to weigh their ideas, but that's wrong. Like any other surgical procedure, they should be forced to use a risk/benefit analysis. They do look at all the risks, a doctor isn't going to perform a procedure without explaining the risks to you. In their mind it does outweigh the potential risks.

Have you ever had a son? My wife's OB explanation mentioned no risks of any kind and greatly exaggerated the benefits. Her list of benefits including locker room teasing, differences between me and my son, UTIs, and STDs. The first two are just stupid and the last two can be treated and prevented better and easier. UTIs are prevented by breastfeeding and treated with simple $4 antibiotics. STDs are prevented with condoms and safe sex practices. Breastfeeding, condoms, and antibiotics have never cost anyone the use of their penis or caused a life threatening MRSA infection.

And when it's not done right, they have most likely rendered their son a permanent virgin. What benefit is worth that? Any procedure has risks, and in their minds the procedure outweighs them. Mistakes are rare in countries where we have modern medicine advancements and the tools to do it properly. When it's done in a third world country by your tribe's witch doctor then we run into these issues.

Yes, any procedure has risks and those risks are signficantly higher with a newborn. This is why doctors never operate on newborns except when absolutely necessary except if they're going to modify his penis to suit mommy and daddy. Does that seem right to you?

I don't get why parents are so up in arms about their right to modify their kid's dick. If their son wants any kind of body modification, the opportunities are there when he turns 18 and can legally consent.