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Another data mining study slams the manosphere

PeonSupreme

July 10, 2019
16 upvotes
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https://www.wired.com/story/misogyny-reddit-research/
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Title Another data mining study slams the manosphere
Author

PeonSupreme

Upvotes 16
Comments 16
Date July 10, 2019 6:36 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/cbkjhg/another_data_mining_study_slams_the_manosphere/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/another-data-mining-study-slams-the-manosphere.873868
https://theredarchive.com/post/873868
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Comments

[–]UsedToBeRadical 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Who cares? Men who have been abused by women have the right to vent and be frustrated at women. Male anger, even if it exists for legitimate reasons, will be labeled "misogyny" by these fools. A man can literally be destroyed by a woman and he will be labeled a misogynist for simply being angry.

Oh and by the way, I'm a woman and mixed-raced. I support the MRM 100%

[–]PeonSupreme[S] 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

<<A man can literally be destroyed by a woman and he will be labeled a misogynists for simply being angry.>>

Beautifully put. Thank you.

[–]AskingToFeminists 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I always despised the people who dismissed someone because he was angry. Anger is a perfectly legitimate emotion.

[–]PeonSupreme[S] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If I didn’t know better, I’d say they were provoking people’s anger in order to dismiss them.

[–]AskingToFeminists 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If I didn't know better...

[–]tenchineuro 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Wow, no mention of r/mensrights.

[–]EsraYmssik 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

No mention of TheRedPill either.

And no 'accidental' conflation of MRAs with PUAs.

Whatever happened to journalism? /s

[edit to add]

Reading the abstract of the original report (thanks to https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/cbkjhg/another_data_mining_study_slams_the_manosphere/etg8gfh/), apparently they looked at "seven online communities on Reddit, with openly misogynistic members".

Weird, I though WE were the openly misogynistic ones? (y'know that whole, "not being 100% convinced that feminism is the best lens through which to approach equality of the sexes" thing)

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Whatever happened to journalism? /s

Well, maybe Wired just has not gotten the memo yet? Sadly, it seems to only be a matter of time.

[–]PeonSupreme[S] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

<<as the Toronto van attack proved, they can inspire real-world violence.>>

The Toronto van attack didn’t prove anything. This reporter could no more make the connection between angry rhetoric in a sub like this and the violence in Toronto, than I could between angry rhetoric in a radical feminist sub and the brutal murder of Rhuan Maycon da Silva Castro by his lesbian parents.

I don’t expect much from the advocacy journalism that has sprung up across the internet like weeds, but I would hope that a reporter covering scholarly research would know better than to infer a causal relationship between speech and action. Then again, that journalist wasn’t covering scholarly research. She was covering propaganda.

[–]lostapwbm 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's a bunch of bullshit for a number of reasons.

First, the 'researchers' claim to be studying 'men's rights' and don't actually use the MENS RIGHTS SUBREDDIT in their research. It doesn't pass the sniff test from the start.

Second, the spamming of Alek Minassian. Prove he was on r/MGTOW. I'll wait while you get that evidence together. It ought to be easy.

Third, the 'study' is nothing but a keyword search and tabulation of the number of times the words appear, not the context in which the words are used, as the 'researchers' themselves admit in the Discussion portion of their paper.

This is 'feminist research' right here. It's nothing but 'teacher, teacher, he said a naughty word'!

The whole point of the exercise is not to discern the truth but to attempt to shore up their biases (as bell.hooks admits in her book, Feminism Is For Everybody).

[–]PeonSupreme[S] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

We discussed a piece of similarly craptacular pseudoscience exactly three weeks ago. They called it “computational linguistics.”

The Case of Men’s Rights and Men’s Liberation on Reddit

Edit: here’s the OP

A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/mensrights

[–]user_miki 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Imagine how many hours, months, years spend and did not find anything to make sense in their head, I start doubting seriously about the intelligence of these so called researchers.

r/MGTOW (home of all those “men going their own way”) was the most hostile, the most likely to make threats of physical violence,

​

and after all these "researches" they lie big time. MGTOW never, ever advocated for physical violence against anybody,in fact the users that do that are banned.

[–]PeonSupreme[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously. I’d really like to know who pays for this stuff.

[–]Egalitarianwhistle 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Can anyone find the original study? This article seems disingenuous for a couple reasons. First, there is no acknowledgement that the moderators un manosphere are more lax. In r/feminism and r/twoxchromosones there us preemptive censorship. This is by design in order to widen the Overton window. Sure you get some assholes, but assholes are i inherently self filtering.

That being said, the racism and misogyny that sometimes shows up on the periphery is usually addressed and talked about instead of deleted. I cant vouch for r/mgtow but r/mensrights is surprisingly articulate.

Seconsly, the phenomenon demonstrated by r/menkampf is not looked into. I would wager to say there is more outright androgyny in r/feminism than misogyny on r/mensrights.

But this article makes no attempt to analyse any of this. Instead it just says they are all hate groups.

PSA: Anyone who doesnt agree with your worldview is a nazi. Prove me wrong, nazi.

[–]PeonSupreme[S] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Here’s the link:

Exploring Misogyny in the Manosphere

[–]tenchineuro 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanx, I did not have to track this down myself.

The obligatory abstract.

ABSTRACT

The ‘manosphere’ has been a recent subject of feminist scholarship on the web. Serious accusations have been levied against it for its role in encouraging misogyny and violent threats towards women online, as well as for potentially radicalising lonely or disenfranchised men. Feminist scholars evidence this through a shift in the language and interests of some men’s rights activists on the manosphere, away from traditional subjects of family law or mental health and towards more sexually explicit, violent, racist and homophobic language. In this paper, we study this phenomenon by investigating the flow of extreme language across seven online communities on Reddit, with openly misogynistic members (e.g., Men Going Their Own Way, Involuntarily Celibates), and investigate if and how misogynistic ideas spread within and across these communities. Grounded on feminist critiques of language, we created nine lexicons capturing specific misogynistic rhetoric (Physical Violence, Sexual Violence, Hostility, Patriarchy, Stoicism, Racism, Homophobia, Belittling, and Flipped Narrative) and used these lexicons to explore how language evolves within and across misogynistic groups. This analysis was conducted on 6 million posts, from 300K conversations created between 2011 and December 2018. Our results shows increasing patterns on misogynistic content and users as well as violent attitudes, corroborating existing theories of feminist studies that the amount of misogyny, hostility and violence is steadily increasing in the manosphere.

Sounds like they referenced the APA guidelines for psychological practice with boys and men in their category selections.

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