Before anyone blows up at this question, and wants me banned because I identify as incel, I'm simply asking a question and seeking out some honest answers and discussion.

I've spent a fair amount of time in both incel and MGTOW forums over the course of the past few years and there seems to be a common thread amongst both, which is that women today have some very unrealistic high standards and requirements when it comes to dating men, much of this which is be propagated by modern feminism that all women are special and entitled to the very best of high value men they wish to pursue a relationship with, regardless of their own value or what they bring to the table themselves. Therefore there's a whole pool of men which seems to be rapidly growing who feel they're completely unwanted and unworthy of any type or romantic relationship with women, because the ladies are telling these guys they're just not good enough. This only fuels an already depressed bunch of men into a rage of bitterness and anger, which can sometimes lead to misogyny and hate towards females for being too superficial and vain, which then get stereotyped into a bunch of basement dwelling lazy adult men, which I've found not to be entirely the case with so many of them.

MGTOW's will even acknowledge that there are guys women will right-up reject for not being good looking enough, or that these kind of men are told to wait until they've had their fun in their 20's and early 30's, and will settle down with them when they're no longer desirable to the hot guys they no longer attract, which in way seems to correlate to the same conclusion, only a certain select number of men are even worthy of women's attention in todays dating market.

This points me to Men's Rights Activist Karen Straughan, who said the following...

"I know guys who are 35 years old, who are virgins, they have good jobs, they want to have a family, they want to have a wife and kids, and they are just not going to be able to do that, and they know it. Because there is one flaw that would have been overlooked 50 years ago, they would have found some women, some homely, chubby woman who would have been willing to settle down with him, and now that's just not the case." - Karen Straughan

Having heard this quote many, many times over the past year or so, it really makes me believe she is right in what she's saying, that the requirements women have today when seeking a male partner is ultimately contributing to more and more single and lonely men, many of which then fall into the rabbit hole that is inceldom.

Please discuss, as I really want to have a civil and well thought out discord about this. Thank you.