Both spend hours whining about the opposite send and now everything and anything is their fault, down to stubbed toes. Funny that they preach that they don’t give men or women any thought and “focus on themselves.” Only to write a 1000 page essay because they saw a woman outside breathing or saw a man merely exist somewhere, and it made them very very angry. You can’t take them anywhere because they’re massive killjoys which suck the life and fun out of everything. It’s like they want everyone else to just as miserable as them, why do think RadFems and MGTOWS get triggered by a healthy relationship free of manipulation or mind games? It doesn’t compute with them and so they try to ruin friends’ relationships because if they’re not happy then no one can be happy. Are you friends with those of the opposite sex? Well your misandrist friend will tell you all your friends who are men are evil predators, the misogynist friend will tell you all your friends who are women are evil false accusers. If you question this logic? You’re a simp if you’re a man and a “self hating woman” if you’re a woman, because these people believe there is no exception to the more sinister rules. When it comes to sex, man likes eating pussy? SIMP! Woman simply has sex with a man? INTERNALIZED MISOGYNY! Woman likes it rough? Well clearly she is being abused and doesn’t know what she wants despite giving clear consent. Man likes having his booty played with? SIMP! Woman enjoys giving oral? Ugh she’s so weak. I do sympathize and understand what brings people to these ideologies, people have been hurt, assaulted, betrayed and lead on so they want to know why. So they join the respective communities mentioned, however more often than not now they end up falling to toxicity but their more cult-minded members don’t see that and take any criticism as proof that they’re a victim. The members who wanted to improve themselves or vent tend to end up leaving the communities behind, or forming a new one.