Paradox on TRP

scissor_me_timbers00 · 2016-12-11T11:34:37+00:00

It's not a paradox. You should not allow your self esteem to depend on others. However you should understand that reputation and public perception means a lot, and maximize it pragmatically. This does not imply getting your emotions all entangled in the process. No paradox.

Pierre-Marouille · 2016-12-11T08:29:30+00:00

It's only contradictory on the surface.
There is what people say and there is what people really think deep down. The two are very rarely compliant.
Just like women sometimes say no when they mean yes.
Or let say you often cook for your friends and they complain the food is bad. Well, deep down they are happy someone cook at all because it's a great social thing. You can either be sad because people don't like your food (or so they say) or you can see the facts and see that they keep coming back and eat your food. People wouldn't come back if the food were that bad.
So the idea in general is to pay attention to the facts rather than the words. Because jealousy and ego make us say things we don't believe.
The DGAF attitude is rather a Give a fuck to the real things attitude. Instead of focusing on the noise people produce with their mouths we should pay attention to what's really important.
Also there is what I would call the "instant reputation" and the long term reputation. Example : let say you're on a road trip. You notice something wrong with the car. The right thing to do would be to make a detour and see a mechanic to be sure. But of course nobody cares in the car. They just want to carry on with the journey. Your opinion is temporary unpopular. But in the long term people see that thanks to you, you avoided a painful breakdown in the middle of the forest at night. In that example you should pay attention to the facts. In general do you make great calls or not ? Your reputation is not based on the fact that you forced everyone to do something unpopular. But rather the fact that it turned out to be justified. Because we all know people that are overcareful, they want to check and re-check everything. They have bad reputation because it's never justified, they are just expressing their general anxiety.

OneRedYear · 2016-12-11T07:16:12+00:00

reputation is what you earn from being the person you are. DGAF means you aren't concerned with what others think about who you are.

If you improve yourself for yourself with zero concern to how others judge your or perceive you're improvements, over time you will improve your reputation. If you are doing things to only improve your reputation sake only and not for yourself, you obviously give a fuck.

[deleted] · 2016-12-11T15:19:22+00:00

Reputation has to do with how people view your ethics. Are you trust worthy? Are you going to betray people?

Here's what reputation amounts to:

If I'm not here, will you fuck my wife?
If I entrust you with money, will you take it and run away?
If I'm alone with you at night, will you try to rob or kill me?

You want people to think you are trust worthy. That's what reputation is. You have work ethic. You don't betray. You keep your word. You have integrity.

Seeking people's approval is completely different. In fact it's the opposite. Approval seeking means you have no integrity, you just do and say what you think this person wants to hear you do and say right now.

BigRedRover · 2016-12-11T14:43:44+00:00

The main focus is not to actively mold a reputation. Instead, it's generally a side effect of holding frame.

It's a lot like dread. Soft dread is not something that you actively do. Instead, it's the side effect of becoming better as a man.

Another angle: You can focus on what people think about you, or you can focus on doing the things that you want/need to do (ie: the mission concept). Whenever you do the latter, you will be seen as authentic, and that will be your reputation, but it's only a side effect and not what you set out to do as the goal of your actions.

There are situations that come up where you may need to slightly alter some of you actions to manipulate the reputation/public face you have, but that's a minor issue that's largely optional in the grand scheme of things. It is romanticized a bit, however, which can make it seem a bit more important than it actually is.

blackedoutfast · 2016-12-11T19:58:12+00:00

caring about what other people think about you because you need the emotional validation that comes from knowing that other people like you is bad.

caring about your public image and repuation because you are a Machiavellian social manipulator is good (in a dark triad way).

in the first case you are allowing the opinions of others to affect your own sense of self-worth. in the second case your sense of self is solid and comes from within and you are actively influencing the opinions of others for personal benefit.

Snowiceolated · 2016-12-13T05:48:02+00:00

Let's use chess an an analogy. When you play chess you have to analyze the board, look at the current pieces you have, know what your opponent has, look at your positioning, and formulate a strategy to win. This is your frame. If you're down a few pieces you don't start crying. If you come up with a good plan you don't start smiling and hopping up and down. You make your move calmly and take the result as it comes - bad or good. This is a DGAF attitude.

Now, building a reputation can be one strategy. For example, you can build a reputation with women about being good in bed to get them talking about you to other women. But it's only one strategy out of many and it's up to you to decide if you have everything in order currently to utilize this strategy effectively all while maintaining frame.

[deleted] · 2016-12-11T15:31:04+00:00

If you're anywhere as near as awesome or "alpha" as you believe, you shouldn't have to worry about your reputation too much. You're good qualities will speak for themselves because they'll manifest in everything you do.

NeoreactionSafe · 2016-12-11T15:41:45+00:00

The Blue Pill is the herd mentality... everyone must conform.

The Red Pill is about Free Will and so you get a variety of outcomes.

Our options tend to fall into:

MGTOW
ONS
Plate Spinning
LTR
Married Red Pill

Free Will means diverging outcomes... this is correct.

We are not part of a herd mentality.

Everyone here is seeking to awaken, improve and think for themselves, so the only common theme is that we are improving ourselves in some way. We get out of the darkness (Blue Pill mythology) and seek the light (Red Pill) of truth.

[deleted] · 2016-12-11T08:02:13+00:00

It's because TRP is mostly just bullshit

Title	Paradox on TRP
Author	thatguy1321
Upvotes	16
Comments	14
Date	December 11, 2016 7:13 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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