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[–]loveopenly 5 points6 points7 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Shutting down male support groups is so misguided. This is not going to end well. I've been in and out of these groups for 2 decades, and while I mostly didn't agree with them, it was obvious how necessary they were. You can't just rip out mens need for emotional support and friendship. They struggle to get it as it is.
[–]unn4med 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
this is how mass shootings happen... saddening to see this trend will continue to increase
[–]GeeseCTM 9 points10 points11 points (7 children) | Copy Link
Pickup became toxic years ago. I'm not saying this in a SJW sense either. It's reality. All the guys at the top, coaches, thought leaders etc became weird, creepy, frauds, hucksters, teaching guys to be over the top parodies of men instead of actually teaching them to become attractive.
So in this world gone crazy with SJW nonsense and ideologies, it's no wonder some of these guys are getting nipped.
If you notice there are LOTS of main stream style dating videos on YouTube. I never heard of these 2 guys but I can only imagine . I've never seen a good infield video in my life. I have seen videos that for sure guys with little experience might think LOOKS good but mostly if you know what you're looking at in reality is just dancing monkey stuff, hired actresses, entertainer guy, forced numbers with low attraction or investment, guys pretending they got laid that obviously didn't, you name it.
However. I think censorship sucks. I'm not for guys getting removed from social media. But...
What's the lesson learned?
Guys need to up their game, stop being pickup weirdoes and start EVOLVING into men that are attractive to women.
This whole game should have been taught so it's all under the radar anyway. Instead of all this dancing clown stuff these guys are teaching in these infields, game should be taught so guys STREAMLINE it into their personalities and it almost seems effortless and normal.
A guy with good game should not TRY to stand out in a crowd or TRY to get girls attention, but should do it almost naturally. By the way I don't mean this in a nonsense just be yourself, bro way. There's a lot to learn for sure, and one might even have to do things that seem unnatural at first to change for the better. Anyway, that's a different story.
The tangent means - if these guys weren't screaming for attention in their videos they likely would never have been picked off. If they were teaching men to be attractive men and not pickup weirdoes I bet their channels would still be there.
I used to try and defend pickup. But then I realized I was defending what pickup started OUT AS in it's infancy men learning to become the kind of men women want to be with not what it unfortunately evolved into weird, socially awkward guys teaching other guys to be weird, socially awkward and over the top about it.
So I jumped off that bandwagon long ago because I knew eventually the pua community would take a giant nose dive. It already was.
When people ask me what i do I tell them, and I mean everyday people, I tell them Dating and Lifestyle Engineer and you know what? Not ONE person, men, women, whatever, disapproves. Most think it's totally cool. And I'm proud of what I do.
Go around and tell people you're a pickup artist and see what kind of reactions you get.
These days PUA = Creepster. But like i said, the puas mostly brought it on themselves.
Just my 2 💰
[–]FlakeyGhost 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Agree
[–]loveopenly 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Back in the early 2000s There was this guy posting on masf. He was weird as fuck. Creepy as fuck. Nothing changed except he got together with some other guys on there and built a multi million dollar business..
[–]GeeseCTM 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You know what, there was definitely some good stuff back in the day on masf. And some of the guys we're teaching some good stuff, but you had to be able to have a really good bullshit filter and be able to figure out quickly what worked and what was didn't.
Now most guys are just repeating all the worst stuff and for whatever reason the WORST "coaches" are the guys who have been getting the most attention.
If you read the BBC article one girl is talking about how she was in a video with the guy claiming he could have gotten a same-day lay, of course he didn't though 😏, and she's saying, she was trying to hint to him in every way possible, that she was not interested in any way shape or form, and it was really frustrating to her that he had completely misread what she was trying to tell him. But that's what I see in almost every infield video I've ever come across. Guys who are completely not attracting the girls, acting like the girls are into them. And then getting thousands of views and likes.
[–]Cirrustratus 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Why is it weird. IMO some channels are bit weirde i comparison to others. And the pick up art side of approaching is sometimes practiced like this weird thing. But in general approaching is not a big deal. Youtube is sensoring things that the media labels as wrong, but in a basic way why would it be bad for a guy to approach a girl o the streets? This is bad because its trying to criminalize and label something that is not wrong to something that IS, like if it was some sort of aggression and miss behaving. Also cold approaching is super hard and its something that requires skill, practices but most necesarly balls. Good practices include being respectful and honest, so why the hell it affects someone that bad, if a girls rejects you she walks away and it is over, where is the harm? She got a compliment, wow how creepy. there are much better things to fight for:, this youtube approaching thing is not even a problem for anyone, if a creep is a creep it wont stop just because you use some censorship, some of these people might stop being creepy when they learn cold approaching, its something that helps men, and no one gets affected. All of this is an exaggeration or making it the problem it really isnt. If a guy is being creepy then its the prpblem of the guy, not the youtube approaching guide xD. Anyway, game will be almost the same, and this kind of things will only scare guys to go out and meet people, media. is slowly converting any action a guy does into some sort of social crime.
[–]GeeseCTM 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I never said cold approach is wrong. But then you got guys that have no business teaching other guys always getting the most attention so that an army is created of weird creepy guys following their example because they don't know any better.
[–]Cirrustratus 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Also I cant understand why cold approaching is (for you) specifically something unnatractive. In some sort of point you need to start an interaction, there is no specific line to approach and non intended interactions to flirt. Like how do you talk to a girl on your school or something, its like the same thing. Being brave, bold, direct is attractive and you can get levels of attraction in cold approaching and ",warm" approaching just like that. But if media and aociety shames doing it on the streets, the why wouldnt it be wrong in your job, your friends, school? Yeah it might look weird but, come on, there are hundreds of things most important to fix in the world, and you are literally trying to slut shame men for doing their job, for literally just talking to a girl. its so stupid.
[–]GeeseCTM 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yea. You didn't understand what I wrote. You're literally making something up, putting words in my mouth then complaining about it.
[–]cheeeezeburgers 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It sucks for the people behind those channels but who cares. There will always be pressure on this type of lifestyle because it is subversive of the feminizing of humanity.
[–]TheEuropeanVirgin 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Why are so many words blacklisted in this sub? Almost 50% of comments in this sub are automatically removed, even p0rn is blacklisted.
[–]just_another_alt123 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
For those who didn't read the article:
I haven't seen the channels in question, but if those were real then that's surely a slam-dunk violation of YouTube's TOS.
[–]MrAlexander18 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Just came across this one UK subreddit. I noticed Tom Torero's channel and website is not available. Not sure if this has anything to do with it, but absolute madness.