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It smells a lot like "not all men" - apparently, it's ok to say "men are rapists" and responding "not all men" means you defend rapists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NotAllMen The people who think it's acceptable to say "men are rapists" without any kind of qualifiers are idiots. The ones who think that reminding the idiot that most men aren't rapists is bad, are also severely lacking in the brain department. If majority of modern women are problematic, it's ok to say that. And then you can "no…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/04/24 10:20 AM
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That's fair.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/24 10:27 AM
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Not OP, but it's worth pointing out that just because you can self validate doesn't mean all, or even most, men are capable of doing so. I'm a woman and I self validate rather than relying on such from others. That doesn't mean most women do. Unfortunately we live in a time when the majority of the population, both men and women, are hyperfixated on external validation, being "liked" by many strangers, and post everything that happens to them as if it's of utmost importance. Self validation is a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/24 09:30 AM
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Many people do have issues, yes. I admit to having some too, primarily regarding abandonment and a constant feeling of not being a valuable person unless I'm a successful financial provider. Unfortunately a significant number of men and women are attracted to the wealth that celebrity lives bring, which does lead to the strange obsession some have with famous people.
/r/ExRedPill24/04/24 03:45 AM
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If you didn't pass the looks barrier then your personality would never even be known Yes, that's the point I made. And tons of people will put up with a horrendous personality if you look good enough Most men and women will not put up with a horrendous personality longterm, even if you're very attractive. Some will, certainly, but those people have issues themselves.
/r/ExRedPill24/04/24 03:30 AM
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@GPN_Cadigan too. I'm typically a lurker here, and an egalitarian woman, who is with a fat man. My answer to this is that yes, because you lost weight you became more conventionally attractive to many more women. While you were fat, far fewer of us were attracted to you. This happens to women too, it's not a new phenomenon. In my opinion, personality is just as important as looks. However, nobody can see your character traits, so looks is more important in the beginning. Personality is more impo…
/r/ExRedPill24/04/24 01:52 AM
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I (39F) have never been married, nor do I have children. My lover (54M) is also never married and childfree. We don't live together, or have access to each other's finances. I make slightly more than him, and pay for all our dates. We've been together for almost 17 years. I have never received any status or money from him...he's an elementary school teacher. When he's sick, I bring him food and medicine. We talk everyday, either in person or on the phone. I've answered his calls as early as 5am …
/r/ExRedPill24/04/24 01:00 AM
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I agree, but at least in the US we still aren't even allowed to sign up for the Draft. I was really pissed off when I learned that last month. I'm 39 years old, always a tomboy, primarily male friends. When my group all turned 18, I went with them to the post office and we all filled out the Selective Service paperwork with the soldier helping out. I handed mine in, he was surprised and asked if I was actually looking to join the military. Told him no, I was simply putting my name in for the Dra…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/24 09:29 PM
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Sure! I think differentiating the entitled women from just normal modern women could be done by calling them "sprinkle chicks" or "anti-egalitarians" or even "princess dates". Of course, on reddit they already call themselves pinkpill.
/r/EverydayMisandry21/04/24 07:40 PM
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Actually in my country the feminist movement and most of the women claim exactly the same as you do: they say that in our patriarchal society women pain is not considered enough by a male centered all man medicine I'm sorry they do that to you guys. I'm not a feminist, nor do I believe in the "patriarchy" they constantly push. We live in a world where both sexes have privileges and oppressions, often but not always reversed. That is why I didn't say that "women pain is not considered enough by a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/24 02:24 PM
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With “DRIZZLE DRIZZLE”, a massive conglomerate of women (all across the planet) are fully supporting the movement; publicly. They are absolutely ripping most modern women a new one, calling them out on their dysfunctional & unrealistic demands of men and laughing at them; stating how they asked for this when they attacked, bullied & demonized men for simply being men/masculine. I (39F) don't post on social media as an individual, but am one of these women who have called out princess behavior an…
/r/EverydayMisandry21/04/24 03:15 AM
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It's better to be lonely than to sacrifice your own dignity to put women on a pedestal. This is true, which is why if you ever change your mind about being in a relationship, you find a normal woman who doesn't want to be pedestalized. Egalitarian would be your best bet, as she'll split the dating expenses without ever being asked.
/r/EverydayMisandry21/04/24 03:08 AM
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I don't have time to read through the entirety of both again, so I did a "find in page" search for the terms you mentioned. Neither "talk down" or "talked down" were in either of the articles anywhere. The terms "ignore" and "ignored" were in one of the articles. Here's the sentence: Possibly both money concerns and the provider role operate as justification to avoid seeking health care—again in line with masculine gender scripts—and that married men ignore, downplay their symptoms, or are just …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/24 11:05 PM
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I read both of your links, and while both were very wordy, I did not see your claim within either of them. Both links talked about topics such why more men than women avoid going to doctors, how masculine stereotypes hurt men's chances of accepting care, the harm of teaching boys to push through/ignore pain, and the fact many men view preventative care as unnecessary even when it's low cost. Maybe you meant to link to a different article? Or you could let me know which small segment I missed in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/24 10:43 PM
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It's interesting how things are reversed where you are. In the US, we have the opposite problem where women's pain is typically claimed by male and female nurses/doctors alike to be "greatly exaggerated". Either way, this is medically and morally wrong, to assume someone who is ill or had a procedure is lying for attention or increase of painkillers. I'd recommend mentioning it to whatever supervisors you have, as it is incredibly poor care.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/24 09:00 PM
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I may be off with my dates...remember, this is 20 years of history I've lived through. I started getting interested in all these blogs, forums, meetups, YouTube channels, etc when I was only 19. It's also possible I'm remembering their personal videos and comments that were made prior to the creation of the actual HB group. I'm still glad they acknowledge gender roles are fine for those who want them, but they hardly work for all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/24 04:02 PM
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Perhaps they've changed over the years. I've been involved in the manosphere since 2004, and when they were very first starting out they did have a more traditional-gender-roles-are-best kind of message. I haven't listened to them specifically since about 2007 however. My own 16 year relationship is a general masc woman/femme man one, so I'm glad to hear some people acknowledge it's worth it to be yourself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/24 01:15 PM
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I didn't want to accuse or downplay the actions of any individual, it's more of a statistics question on my part. I understand, and it's an excellent question! Unfortunately there's no surveys or studies I know of with an even somewhat substantial answer. With fighting against windmills, I didn't mean spending energy on fake problems, but fighting a hopeless fight, that seems to have no end. That's fair, but just so you know for the future, the idiom of fighting against windmills/tilting at wind…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/24 12:17 PM
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I'd imagine all women are misandrists to some extent just due to how society runs, but to pick out if it is an issue or just your average person is tough. Careful, friend. This sounds exactly like what feminist ideology says about your sex, just flipped. The sexist belief of All Women Are Like That is the same as the sexist belief of YesAllMen. It removes any chance for discussion or support from the opposite sex, because we're automatically seen as part of the problem, simply because we were bo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/24 09:52 AM
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What percentage of the female population is a Honey Badger? Do they make a difference or are they fighting against windmills? I'm not a "Honey Badger" because many of them hold traditionalist views on relationships, but I've been talking about men's rights to anyone who will listen for the last 20 years. I've always called out misandric actions or words in my presence, am supportive of the men in my life in whatever ways they need, and when I was younger I was in local groups that were trying to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/24 09:39 AM
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My FWB fell for one of these scams recently, even though he's 54 and really should hopefully have known better. I helped him through it, but while texting with the "woman" myself it was indeed extremely manipulative and cruel.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/24 01:46 AM
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Sweet! What kind of questions are you hoping to answer?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/24 08:51 PM
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Unfortunately it looks like there's only 13 of us so far. And 211 men, 8 nonbinary.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/24 08:50 PM
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It's just a bot, doesn't really mean anything.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/24 03:52 PM
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When a woman posts a picture of herself doing anything, she gets lots of compliments from men and women alike saying “beauty” or “gorgeous”. I've always wondered what it would be like getting this kind of attention, but it seems reserved for women who are actually gorgeous/beautiful. Like I've seen such comments on my sisters Facebook and Instagram posts, but they are definitely what the typical young woman is like...tight or revealing clothing, perfect hair, makeup done, nails done, filters on.…
/r/EverydayMisandry09/04/24 03:35 PM
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I think it's really going to depend on the area you're currently in. I (39F) was a virgin until 23. Didn't have sex until after graduating college, which was in a hyper liberal/extremely feminist town. Whenever my female classmates found out I was a virgin, they would hate on me hard for being a goody-girl, "upholding purity culture", "bowing to the patriarchy", and just generally being a weirdo for not wanting to sleep around. The slightly nicer girls would try to talk me into it by telling me …
/r/EverydayMisandry09/04/24 03:18 PM
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u/The_Kimchi_Krab is talking about your comment here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/s/4RNkwp565t
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/24 02:52 PM
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The recent mass protests in Iceland showed us an interesting sentiment in Icelandic feminism; they're demand for being compensated for household work would require that taxpayer money get funneled into their bank accounts, tax payer money that could come from single hardworking men. In other words, it's a husband responsibility placed on men who aren't husbands. A traditional role par excellence. Question, because I hadn't heard of this before now. Are these feminists saying that ALL household w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/24 11:30 AM
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Speaking for myself (39F, never married, childfree, left leaning) I'm in favor of alimony for spouses who have given up a significant amount of time in their careers to become a stay-at-home parent. I'm talking like 5+ years, not 1 or 2, where it would be easy to get back into the same or very similar position. However, it should never be a lifetime payment, and there should be a written agreement from the spouses detailing how long the stay-at-home partner will be doing so. Think of it like a p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/24 02:08 PM
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Have you not seen how those red-pillers worshiped that Italian prime minister for her right winged beliefs, while nauseating at liberal Trudeau? Not lately, no. But I do see some interesting political views from both the manosphere and femosphere lol. I don't want to invalidate your experiences: I know evil men exist. Oh I don't think that the overwhelming majority of these guys are evil... my experience has only been maybe a dozen who were truly off the rails crazy. Most are either in pain/grie…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 08:00 PM
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I agree with you wholeheartedly, thank you for taking the time to clarify your statement. To be honest I was initially afraid you meant women, rather than misandrists, and was sad to see that view here. But that's why I wanted to know what you actually were talking about instead of make an assumption.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 06:19 PM
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My belief of the in-group inherent in women stems from the existence of a fierce pro-woman sentiment in many men of both conservative and liberal circles. Take it for the anecdotal evidence it is, but in my experience it is less of an in-group bias for women, and more of feminist ideology. If you do not toe the line and enthusiastically repeat their talking points, having a vagina won't save you. The hundreds of downvotes, cruel comments, and vile PMs wishing you everything from harm to death wi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 05:21 PM
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So I'd ask you---whose side are you on? Men's or theirs? Who is the "theirs"?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 04:53 PM
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After what?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 04:40 PM
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Exactly! Pearl is also just a classist dumbass, unfortunately. She makes all kinds of videos talking about how traditionalist marriages are the best, while completely ignoring how privileged a relationship like that would be in this economy. She shits on working women, by conveniently forgetting that both her parents own the multimillion dollar company they work at, and actually admitted in one interview how her mother financially supported her father during their marriage before the business to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 04:37 PM
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Not the person you were talking to, but personally I'm against both redpill and feminism. Both have a handful of truths in them but likewise both have far more half-truths in their ideologies that only serve to Other the opposite sex. I say this as a woman who has been involved (reading, writing, commenting, viewing) the manosphere for the last 21 years and of course seeing what mainstream feminism pushes. That's why I simply say I'm egalitarian, in favor of both sexes being treated the same leg…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 04:30 PM
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being antifeminist is cringe It can be when taken to extremes, but doesn’t have to be. I get a lot of flak for being an anti-feminist woman, and get called a pickme, redpill woman, conservative, internalized misogynist, etc. None of which are true, I'm simply an egalitarian. I support both male and female rights equally, as well as trans rights. The unfortunate truth is that while feminism is supposed to be an ideology about equality, in action it is about female superiority and the constant use…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 04:19 PM
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I agree that past studies and surveys have shown a greater in-group bias for women, but wonder if that would still be true in the past 4 years. There's definitely a significant amount of men online, primarily in mgtow, conservative, and redpill areas, who have a strong in-group bias for men. It would be interesting to see what the numbers are in a 2024 study.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 04:06 PM
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Precisely this, 100%. I've never had an abusive romantic partner, but spent my childhood with 4 abusive/negligent parents (bios + steps). Although some of the tactics are different since young children can't leave and are more inherently at the mercy of adults, a lot of it is the same. The lovebombing (particularly from step-parents), the gaslighting, breadcrumbing, backhanded compliments, escalation, then pull back of abuse to keep you off your feet and make it difficult to guess their next mov…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 02:29 PM
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This analogy makes it seem like you think women are always "poor" and men are always "rich", which isn't true at all. Do you want to go into further detail?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 02:08 PM
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Yeah, it seems like you think both kinds of genitals are displeasing to look at, or at least not good looking. I was just saying I think both are pleasing to view. So...equality, but from opposite sides of the coin.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/24 03:24 PM
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I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum, in that I'm a straight woman who thinks male genitals are just as aesthetically pleasing to look at as female ones. But yeah, agree 100% that there should be no shaming.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/24 02:14 PM
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I'm against any and all sex-based discrimination, including organizations, support groups, clubs, centers, gyms, doctors' offices, etc. So yes, this is just as unnecessary as all those and just as horrible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/24 01:58 PM
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True, but I'd say misandry is just as big.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/24 08:12 PM
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Ah, okay. So probably a feminist event that wasn't well advertised outside... For what it's worth, I'm a 39 year old woman and have never been a feminist. Egalitarian or nothing. I have no tolerance for either misandric or misogynistic idiots.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/24 07:49 PM
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What kind of "space" were you in? They still shouldn't have treated you like that, but I'm genuinely curious about what room you possibly could have walked into that they were so hostile?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/24 07:15 PM
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Thanks for understanding! I'm so used to men (mostly redpillers and conservatives) telling me that "a man's body count doesn't matter to women". Or even that, as a low count woman, my "market value equal" would inherently be a high count man due to him needing to "prove" to so many women that he's worth taking to bed. It is a really shitty idea to push on people, that male and female sexual compatibility is essentially opposites.
/r/ExRedPill16/03/24 03:14 PM
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From what I can tell reading online, it really is rare for a straight man to admit enjoying anal play, and even rarer when they like using toys, not just a finger or two. I really am glad I stuck it out and overcame my jealousy of his past. But like I said above, when we do finally separate, I will absolutely be looking for a man with a very low partner number like myself. I don't think I could handle yet another partner who had a bunch more partners than me.
/r/ExRedPill16/03/24 02:54 PM
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Yup. We both enjoy anal play.
/r/ExRedPill16/03/24 02:35 PM
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I know this post is kinda old, but just found it. Hopefully my comment can still help. I'm a 39 year old autistic, demisexual woman, who was a virgin until 23, after I'd already graduated college. I've only ever had sex with my longterm FWB/lover, we're going on 16 years strong. Yes, he's exclusive to me as well. However he's older than me by a decent amount (15 years), and is also the "life of the party" extroverted, enjoys being the center of attention types. Given all of these factors, it's p…
/r/ExRedPill14/03/24 01:18 PM
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For example, hear a lot of stories about women talking about men not interacting with them in the workplace. And this shows how men are being misogynistic somehow. The only way this could be misogynistic is if it is not actually inaction, but negative action. Inaction/neutrality is just that. You don't interact with a female coworker because your duties don't overlap, you work in different departments, none of your meetings are together, etc. There's no activity between you because...well, why w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/24 12:58 AM
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Yup. I believe it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/24 06:41 PM
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Thank you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/24 07:08 PM
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So what would you consider what happened to you and me? Personally I do consider mine to be rape, and not only because I was a child when those things occurred. This isn't me saying you have to call it anything, btw. If you don't feel comfortable doing so, or if you prefer to have a different view/definition, that's also valid.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/24 05:26 PM
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I'd probably do work that contributes something to society and helps other people if I didn't have to worry about finances. Instead I log on each day to do very technical stuff that in the end doesn't really matter and we could do without as a society. Yeah, that's similar to other jobs I've had too. You log in, do the tasks, log out...and for what? Who's life did you benefit today? What kind of interpersonal connections did you form? Usually the answer is negative. Granted, my own business isn'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/24 03:41 PM
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Serious question, and please don't feel like you have to answer if it's too hurtful, but do you not consider your first time having sex to be a form of rape? I ask this as someone who had a similar thing happen via my stepfather. Yes, my first sexual experiences were "given" to him as in I didn't fight back, but that's only because he threatened to kill my pets or touch my younger sisters instead. Likewise, your asshole girlfriend kept pressuring you nonstop for sex, and threatened to leave you/…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/24 02:50 PM
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True, but only for the women who obtain the majority of their power/resources through the use of sex via their relationships.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/24 02:39 PM
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If I wasn't financially coerced into work, I wouldn't do it. This is an intriguing statement. Do you mean you wouldn't want to do any work, or you mean you'd solely do work you enjoy? For example, I've been self-employed for almost 3 years, and since I'm the sole owner/employee, I love running my storefront exactly how I like. It isn't nearly as financially rewarding as the job I left (45k vs 85k), but it's so much less stress and I actually have time for myself rather than running ragged to mak…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/24 02:31 PM
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Imagine growing up as a girl. All of your male classmates are a year or more older than you. You're told this is because boys develop slower, and that boys the same age as you wouldn't be able to keep up with you academically. Would you, as that girl, grow up to be a woman who has respect for men? How about when that girl grows up to be a teacher? It wouldn't alter my common courtesy for men (respect is earned, not automatically given). However it would make me feel sorry for them on some level.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/24 09:09 PM
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Exactly this. Notice that I did not say they think it will lead to an increase in extramarital cheating. I chose my words carefully. 😉 It's the same women who are anti sex-androids, because in their mind the only reason a man and woman would spend significant amounts of time together is because of the potential for sex. Whereas those of us women with uncommitted/unmarried lovers understand that while sex is a big part of long-term hetero companionship, you also have to enjoy being around each ot…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/24 07:46 PM
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Simply based on my own anecdotal experiences talking to hundreds of men and women over the years in gender/sex blogs, forums, subs, and irl...women in general are more prone to being against sex workers than men in general. The major reasons also differ greatly, with men either being against it for religious reasons OR because they think promiscuity is bad for society at large. The major reasons I've seen from women who are against sex workers is either they think it will lead to severe increase…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/24 01:27 PM
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What are you talking about? I'm not talking about OPs experiences, I already spoke with him directly and gave my support for the shit he's going through. I'm simply saying why your comment was confusing, because you said he was experiencing sexual harassment and I didn't see him discussing that. I was wondering if he had discussed something like that in the comments and I didn't read it, which is why I asked for clarification from you. I'm not femsplaining anything. Was only confused by your wor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/24 01:10 PM
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Demonstrating a bias based on gender to that gender or in the presence of members of that gender can certainly qualify as sex based discrimination and sex based harassment. Correct. But that's sex-based harassment, not sexual harassment. Those are 2 very different kinds of discrimination and harassment. Like when my lesbian manager back when I was 18 made comments about my breasts "filling out my shirt nicely" and groped them...that was sexual harassment. In a different job, where a male manager…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/24 12:50 PM
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It's in a company's best interest to make problems go away, as quickly and quietly as possible. That is often not addressing the problem, but instead the complainant. If that's your experience, I won't argue against it. In my experience, the person who is likely to keep causing problems was the one removed. Obviously different companies and HR managers will react differently. The comments certainly qualify as sexual harassment I must have missed OP giving more information. The only thing I read …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/24 12:39 PM
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A couple points - HR is not your friend. HR is not there to advocate for the worker. HR is there to limit company liability. If they determine the simplest and safest solution is finding a pretext to let the worker go, they will. I understand that, believe me. But it's in a company's best interest to squash down allegations of sexism before they get slammed with a hostile work environment claim. I'm not saying OP must go to HR, but it would be worth it for him to know his options. Second - sexua…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/24 12:30 PM
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I don't think anyone here will be upset at you for offloading your feelings, friend. I have to go see my accountant now but will respond more to you later. You're cared about though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/24 11:54 AM
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Is it? Or only for the ones who are the "opposite" of what's traditionally considered masc and femme?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/24 11:25 AM
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It's okay. You get used to it lol. It was really jarring the first time I stepped into the manosphere blogs, because I was 19 and hadn't seen anything like them before. So I had a ton of questions and many guys openly stated they thought I was either a feminist spy, a total idiot, or a 40+ year old cat lady who was doing "reconnaissance" on how to find a beta husband. I grew up in a physically, mentally, and sexually abusive household so its not as if I was a stranger to men being terrible towar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/24 11:22 AM
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Given the current climate of how the sexes act towards each other, I don't think your actions are necessarily bad. The toll on your mental health might be something to consider though, as even low level distress is going to wear you down and make you jumpy if it goes on for long enough. You also don't want to inadvertently create a gynophobic reaction to us, as then you may have trouble with necessary interactions in daily life. Are you seeing any medical professionals, either doctors or therapi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/24 07:55 AM
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Yeah. For example, I got a bunch of hateful PMs from 7 different accounts a couple years ago, after having a disagreement with 2 pink pillers on PurplePillDebate. They were seriously pissed off that I was egalitarian and also enjoy paying 100% for the hangouts my FWB and I do. They essentially claimed women like me, who split on dates and/or like to treat our male partners, are a huge problem and we drive the cost of sex down by "giving it away" for free to our lovers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/24 07:47 AM
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That's really cool! I've met a lot of men over the years who speak like that, some even PM me rape or death threats. 99% of the time they're like that guy, and don't actually mean what they are typing out. They're just using the internet or a stranger's inbox as their therapy journal, which isn't healthy for anyone. In my experience it really is only 1% who truly believe the shit they write.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/24 07:42 AM
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Me neither. I've been reading the manosphere and femosphere for the last 20 years. Really can't recall it being said prior to 2015.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 07:28 PM
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Me neither. I've been reading the manosphere and femosphere for the last 20 years. Really can't recall it being said prior to 2015.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 07:28 PM
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Me neither. I've been reading the manosphere and femosphere for the last 20 years. Really can't recall it being said prior to 2015.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 07:27 PM
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I sure as hell hope the next iteration of the DSM provides the much needed context on these varying issues, however with how corrupt the field has become I very highly doubt it will be substantial changes to benefit the people. What corruption have you heard about? Is it mostly feminism like we talk about here, or have there been other issues you've seen people in the field mention? At least in the US they have basically stopped all reproductive studies, rendering pretty much all psychology as n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 02:05 PM
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I didn't know you were a mental health professional. That's awesome. Two of my guyfriends are too. I only have a minor in psychology, my degree is business management. As a layperson, it's always fun and insightful to talk with people who are directly involved with that field. Given that the psychological community has begun deviating from using the DSM-5, do you think the 6th will show these modern differences in diagnosis? Or are there internal issues that might might hinder the necessary chan…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 01:17 PM
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Trans people have brain structures that adhere far more to their gender than their sex. So even if we want to talk purely about people with feminine brains vs people with masculine brains, those crimes/issues JK is referring to would still be done by women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 12:31 PM
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I never knew that narcissism was viewed as a male issue. Always thought it was women who were primarily diagnosed with it. That's really interesting!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 12:28 PM
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I never knew that narcissism was viewed as a male issue. Always thought it was women who were primarily diagnosed with it. That's really interesting!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 12:28 PM
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I never knew that narcissism was viewed as a male issue. Always thought it was women who were primarily diagnosed with it. That's really interesting!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 12:27 PM
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I wonder if maybe you were able to see a cached version of the page, since you'd been to it previously? If you have screenshots, I'd love to see them. But don't go through a bunch of trouble just on my account. If you were planning on using them in a future post, I'll simply follow you and check back.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 03:45 AM
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It's more than unfortunate, it's deliberately malicious. It's not opening for me on mobile, very possible it's been taken down. I'd have liked to see the wording of the questions asked but it's all likely disappeared into the ether. I may try to find it through other sources.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 03:35 AM
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Yes exactly! Even in the United States which was one of the first to change the definition, you can still be raped and then charged with child support as man. Hell one case I saw was a literal child who was then charged with child support once he turned 18. I remember a few from the news, including one where a literal 15 year old boy was forced to pay child support to his rapist teacher. The judge actually had the gall to say that due to certain texts sent back and forth, it was "entirely consen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 02:56 AM
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Considering only 5-6 countries in the entire world have changed the legal definition to include "forced to penetrate" ie. Women forcing men into intercourse and most of them have only changed that very very recently is a more likely cause. So because it isn't legally or socially seen as a crime/violation in the same way, men and boys are more likely to be self-dismissive of their abuse too? Men are treated like robots who lack emotion and don't feel pain like women do, which is insane because ac…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 02:36 AM
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IPV or Intimate partner violence, domestic abuse counts familial abuse as well so I tend to stray away from that statistic because of it's heavy range unless speaking on said range of the stat Ah, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the clarification! That is very true, feminists don't care but it's just people in general trust me... Otherwise we would be a lot farther on the road to equality than we are now. Unfortunately you're correct. Hell 16% of sexually assaulted men see the abuse AS abu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 02:12 AM
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Listen, we've had a couple conversations on this sub so far, and it's clear you're a big fan of linking to scientific studies. That's cool, and I'm down for that at times too. Sometimes the data regarding the general trends in a very large population is fun to read. But it seems like you also want to "win" every conversation. I have zero interest in doing so. I've already stated that my evidence is based on personal knowledge, anecdotal experiences from myself and people I know, as well as numer…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 01:56 AM
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(70% of unreciprocated IPV IPV? They legitimately don't care for us, and don't fool yourself into thinking they do Feminists don't because that's what their ideology is all about. If they started to care about men, they wouldn't be feminists anymore.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 01:43 AM
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The truth is just that the number of men who are hypergamous in relationships has risen vs the number in the past. That's literally all. I'm not here trying to prove exactly what that percentage is based on scientific research or peer-reviewed statistics. Sometimes, a casual conversation on reddit is just a casual conversation on reddit...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 01:35 AM
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I don't know what to tell you, dude. Go read the relationship subs. It's pretty common in there. Or go to the AskWomen sub and question them. All I'm saying is that hypergamy is not something that afflicts all women, and that some men are hypergamous. It's not like I'm claiming it's a 50/50 split.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 12:21 AM
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Ooooooh. I like that option better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/24 11:21 PM
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In the past, it definitely wasn't. Nowadays it's becoming more common, with a uptick in "hobosexual" dudes, low income guys dating significantly higher income women, and men who date women they think have large inheritances. The relationship subreddits are full of examples. Which makes sense when you look at the economy in modern times. If a guy who works as a cashier in Walmart can find a girlfriend who's a lawyer, nurse, pediatrician, large company manager, etc who brings home 3x what he does.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/24 09:17 PM
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The severe lack of empathy for basically every man in the world they don't personally know is one of the main reasons the feminist ideology is harmful overall. One minute they're talking about how "feminism is for everyone" and "men suffer from patriarchy too". Then in the next breath they say "men are responsible for solving men's problems" and "women don't owe men anything".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/24 08:55 PM
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There's a big difference between having a writing style and deliberately choosing flowery, over the top novelization language. If I ever heard someone speak like the latter example, they'd have to work extremely hard for me to take them seriously. When one is stressed, traumatized, in mental pain, recounting a horrible experience, etc they are going to be using simplistic vocabulary, and even then often trip over their words. In my nearly 39 years of life, literally the only time I've ever heard…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/24 10:21 AM
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Ah, okay. I live in the US, maybe we don't have them here. Or perhaps we do but they're in the larger cities. I live and work in a rural/subrural area, so hadn't seen anything like that before. It does look like a good place to hang out, I'd certainly go. Unfortunately I only own a small business by myself, and don't have the kind of funds to open another. At least not yet...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/24 10:14 AM
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Those are all great ideas! Thank you! I'll especially check in with my state to see how I could become part of that convict hiring program. I own my business and have been open for 2.5 years running it by myself...am currently looking at getting employees added to my insurance and obtaining an employer registration number. If I could give a job to someone who has difficulty finding work, that would be fantastic. You make a good point about clothing donations too. I live in a very rural area and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/24 10:06 AM
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Ah, so those women have ascended to sainthood lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/24 09:55 AM
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That's cool, I've never seen or heard of a social center or infoshop before. Closest thing in my region would be the ymca/ywca, I suppose? Which is only for kids 17 and under. The way you describe it sounds neat, I'd definitely go there too. When you say "the left" has these places, what do you mean? My store is already a bit of a men's social center, as my customer demographic is 98% male and they stay for an average of 4-5 hours lol. But obviously the focus is on games/socializing, not mental …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/24 09:51 AM
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I'm autistic myself, and survived 7 years of weekly sexual abuse and gaslighting by my stepfather, and sometimes step-uncle. I know that survivors can process as we talk about it for the first few times, and I know what it's like to be blamed for the abuse despite being a literal child. None of that is what I was referring to when I said over detailed. It would be kinder in the future to simply ask for clarification if you think someone is wrong or need more information regarding what they said,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 06:08 PM
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Oh I'm well aware there's freshman boys of that size. I went to public school lol. Don't know why I'm being downvoted for trying to figure out why the mod was an asshole though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 12:09 PM
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The bizarre thing is, this post isn't even remotely crazy sounding or over detailed like the obviously "creative writing" ones. It's straight to the point, seems like the author is genuinely confused, and it could easily happen irl. Edit: upon inspection, the mod removed it because they said the post is fake and OP is an adult. I looked at the 5 total posts OP has ever made. One is asking about uniform choices as a Kmart employee...maybe regarding his first job? Two posts are about the rape. The…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 11:02 AM
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Tis truth.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 10:59 AM
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Someone also stole my sweetroll
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 10:59 AM
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What about the other 10%? 😉
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 10:58 AM
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It isn't, I'm not sure what to tell you. Males are in puberty at the same time frame as females, even if their sexual characteristics are less pronounced. I suggest you do a Google search for "male and female puberty ages". The entire first 3 pages are nothing but articles describing how girls in general start puberty about 2 years prior to boys. Here's just one, there are dozens. It's fairly common knowledge in modern medical fields. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/156451 You're confu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 05:49 AM
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Why not incels, if you don't mind me asking? Is it just not your primary focus? Like I'm a men's rights advocate in general, and I actively speak out the most about circumcision and forced gender roles. I do care a lot about the plight of incels, but they aren't the segment for as much of my energy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 04:48 AM
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Is that generally how you are, or just regarding incels?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 04:31 AM
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Exactly! So there you go. One very major double standard which negatively impacts men while simultaneously being upheld as a normal, or even demanded, unrealistic expectation from women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 04:24 AM
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I agree with this take. What is commonly referred to as social skills in modern times is really just being able to pick up on nonverbal body language. While this can be helpful in certain situations, it also can give people incorrect ideas about how someone is actually feeling or thinking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 04:22 AM
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Great, so then you do know some lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 04:16 AM
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Okay...well, you probably know about the double standards of paying for dates and asking someone out, right?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 04:09 AM
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Fine, but that isn't how it works. Boys don't 'start maturity later'. Its that women's are accelerated in certain aspects in line with biological necessity. That is exactly how it works. It's well known that boys as a whole start puberty in later ages than girls. Not by much, but it's just a biological fact. Again, its not because the functions of men and women (at least up until modern industrialized civilization, one can argue past adaptations are now maladaptive for the current paradigm) fulf…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 04:08 AM
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So...you're a man, but have never encountered any double standards in your relationships or dating experiences? Just trying to understand where you're coming from here. Edit: I apologize if you're gay, or bi and have only dated men. My assumption was you were straight, but I realized afterwards this may not be the case.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 03:15 AM
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Thank you!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 03:12 AM
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If someone reached their maturation at 18, and another reaches it in their late 20's than that's not equivalent. What are you talking about? Go read my initial comment again. I didn't say anything about 18 vs late 20s. No idea why you are. I said 7 years of puberty-based maturity each, with both ending before age 20. If you don't understand how staggered timeframes work, I don't know what to tell you. Also, it sounds like you and the other person are speaking as if the end of one's puberty stage…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 03:11 AM
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It's not the same amount of time. It literally is. In my example, both the girl and boy matured physically over the course of 7 years. One started earlier and thus ended earlier. One began later and thus ended later. It's still the exact same amount of growth. The point he's getting at is that something maturing earlier generally restricts its potential. Yes...IF that is a lesser amount of time. For example, if both boys and girls started physically maturing at age 12, but girls stopped at 16 an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 01:41 AM
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I wouldn't continue to date her, just as I would never date a man who identifies as a feminist. If you're an egalitarian or humanitarian, the feminist ideology is simply too different from us. It really cannot work out longterm, as you can see.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 10:49 PM
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Is this a genuine question? Not being snarky, I'm just really surprised you don't know of any.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 10:45 PM
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Men only continue to physically mature via puberty a couple years after women do. So it ends up being the same level of body maturity. I don't know what you mean by later years being "more important"? Think of it like this: You have a girl who starts puberty at age 9. She has her first period, becomes much taller, and grows genital/leg/armpit hair. Her voice deepens slightly, develops breast tissue, and her hormones start going crazy getting her brain and body eventually ready for adulthood. Eve…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 10:42 PM
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I do think that most women of typical dating age (18-35) do tend to have a lot of double standards, which translates into unrealistic...or at least unfair...lists of requirements.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 06:43 PM
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I'm only familiar with laws in the US, but one of the ways men are discriminated against is during arrests for domestic violence disputes. Most states have a difference between the Primary Aggressor vs the Dominant Aggressor. The primary is the person who struck first. The dominant is the one who can more easily control or harm the other person. Obviously in the majority of heterosexual couples, the man is going to be taller, stronger, and greater muscle mass. Ergo, males are predominantly arres…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 08:37 PM
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Sure thing! I'm down for having conversations with people here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 07:18 PM
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I agree, and pointed that out in a recent thread, over at that relationshipadvice sub. Was told I was wrong lol. In my personal experience...so yeah, anecdotal...the guys my own age as a teen/college adult were waaaaay more pushy, manipulative, and prone to dumping me after 3-4 dates without sex. My FWB is the first man to not try and pressure me into sharing my virginity before I was ready. So much for older men only being interested in sex.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 07:15 PM
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I haven't been there for about 6 months. Previously the only bashing was on the guys from the actual screenshots saying ridiculous things. It sucks that they've become misandric.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 06:50 PM
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Do you actually identify as an incel and follow their ideology? Or are you a non-blackpill regular guy who struggles with dating and being involuntarily celibate? My list is really only descriptive of the incel/blackpill community who have made their lack of sex into a core aspect of their personality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 10:49 AM
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I don't call myself an incel, although I share certain developmental/social/relationship issues with many who do, but I'd like to expand your list a bit. And that's fair. Many guys who share some traits with incels don't use that label or subscribe to any of their ideology. My list is only regarding those men who have made being incel a core, almost permanent part of their identity aka blackpill. It's not meant to describe men who simply struggle with dating. Of the three, I would belong to grou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 10:45 AM
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The term itself has been around since the very late 1800s. The first time I ever saw it in relation to the manosphere was in 2005 or 2006, in a comment on the original Angry Harry blog. As he was a mgtow, it may have originated from the idea of becoming free from it as much as one can. That's all we can currently do, after all...acknowledge the system while holding ourselves to standards that don't conform to it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 03:55 AM
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Kind of, in that boys are playing catch up to girls. By the time age 25 or 26 rolls around, it's equalized.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 01:37 AM
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How so? Only a very tiny percentage of the population are sociopaths.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 01:34 AM
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I understand that wholeheartedly. Having dating troubles as a neurodivergent person isn't a zero sum issue, we can acknowledge its difficult all around and support each other.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 01:33 AM
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I've never been a feminist, but as an egalitarian woman I'm considered a traitor, pick me, and suffering from severe internalized misogyny. I've seen guys like yourself similarly torn to shreds despite doing your best to stay an ally. It sucks, but I'm glad you found a better ideology to live by.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 01:28 AM
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I have no problem hating men in one's life who deserve it, but spending every waking hour devoted to hating all men is to rid oneself of empathy and sanity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 01:24 AM
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I agree with you 100%. That's why I wanted you to know I'm personally in one such relationship, and I'm not against them at all. I've received literally 40+ harassing and disturbing comments from feminists and women here on reddit who tell me, in no uncertain terms, that they firmly believe I was groomed and even now am being abused. Simply because I chose a FWB who was older than normal. This usually comes with a side of ableism, since if they find out from my post history that I'm autistic, th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 11:49 PM
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How so?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 10:19 PM
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I want to preface this by letting you know I'm a 38 year old woman with a significantly older male partner/lover. He's 15 years older than me... we got together when I was 23, just out of college, and he had just turned 38. So I'm absolutely not against age gap relationships. However, I also remember what it was like to have more assertive/sexually aggressive older men try to ask me out right when they knew I was 18. Typically, customers, coworkers, independent contractors my boss dealt with, so…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 09:13 PM
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I think it's a combination of us hitting puberty earlier than boys, and the fact we are usually expected to care for our family/younger siblings more often than boys are. Biologically speaking, average age of first menstruation in girls is 8 years old - 12 years old. Age of puberty onset for boys is 10 - 14 years old. This means that, given a boy and girl who are both 15, it's highly likely the girl has been dealing with hormonal, mental, and physical changes longer. It's pretty well known that,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 08:03 PM
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Of course. Many women do indeed have unrealistic standards or expectations. But very, very few identify as incels, so they weren't in my above description. We could talk about that side of things if you want though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 06:30 PM
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Which part is picky? I don't want to put words in your mouth. What part did I say is men's fault? I don't think I mentioned fault at all, only gave a description of the kind of incels I've met over half my life. Sure, I'm an autistic woman too, and when I was younger (and even at stressful times today) could be extremely awkward. I'm glad that you've never held it against a woman for being so. In my personal experience it is something a decent percentage of men (about 30% in my estimation) will …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 06:29 PM
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Marriage and family forming is ones duty to one's nation , family and community. Not if the man or woman in question would be a terrible parent, or resentful of their "duty" child and forced spouse taking away their freedom as a single person. It is acceptable and historically normal for some people to simply not desire marriage and offspring. I'm 38 years old and have never wanted either, and thus have no husband or children. Again these cultures in these countries are very family oriented, the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 06:22 PM
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As for freedom , freedom for what? To not get married, if the individual man or woman has no desire to, as one example. The system is very efficient, the family will find appropriate matches for their sons/daughters Not necessarily. I would hate being around any man my family could find. He would be an appropriate match for them, not me. Some families do have their child's best interests at heart but there's a large number who don't. Many of the liberal stuff are over the top and unnecessary. Li…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 03:36 PM
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Have you ever watched the incel documentary from about 9 years ago? It's called Shy Boys, and is only about 30 minutes. Highly recommend if you haven't yet. You can watch on YouTube or vimeo, pretty sure it's free.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 12:24 PM
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I've been reading/commenting in the manosphere for the last 20 years. After talking to so many incels (along with all the other types of men), I've concluded there's 3 tiers under this label. The first are average looking men who have trouble dating due to being awkward and are very likely on the autism spectrum, who never learned how to "mask" like most of us eventually do. They are often overly chivalrous too, which is off-putting to most women. I went on dates with 2 of these types irl, and w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 10:26 AM
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I have no idea how many people in the world are hypergamous, so using "some" seemed better than saying else.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 03:59 AM
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It is absolutely sexist to do so, yes. Do I understand and acknowledge that younger people generally have less life experience than older people, and can be naive? Yes. Is it possible for men and women in their early 20s to be taken advantage of by partners in the 30s? Also yes. Does this mean all age gap relationships, especially ones with young woman/older man, are inherently dangerous or abusive? Absolutely not. It's fine to tell a young, over the age of consent person to be cautious when dat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 01:20 AM
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I totally understand. According to the majority of "advice" givers on reddit, my lover groomed me to be his perfect slave due to the age gap in our relationship. I'm very surprised by this, since we've never cohabitated, he has no way to get me pregnant, in all 16 years he's never bought me anything more expensive than a dinner at Olive Garden, I owned my car and had my own apartment even when we first met, and I had just graduated college before we had sex. But sure, he absolutely used his 15 y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 12:54 AM
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Sure thing! I've been reading about it/involved in the various communities for the last 20 years. Blue pill = typically feminist/normal mass media representation of the world. Women are oppressed, men are the oppressors. Red pill = a combination of men's rights, pick-up artists, men going their own way, etc. Basically you've "taken the red pill" and see that men aren't inherently sexist and there's a shit ton of misandry in modern times. Sometimes the men in this area are still in the grief/rage…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 12:47 AM
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees the cognitive dissonance lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 11:59 PM
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Nah, hypergamy is a real thing. I mean, the term has been around in modern writing since the 1880s, it's an actual thing that women and men do. I obviously disagree with the redpill claim that "all women are hypergamous" because we aren't. But some definitely are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 10:05 PM
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Oh, hypergamy is still an idiotic way to live one's life imo. When you're only with a guy due to him having money, that's not a reliable, loving, compassionate, or realistic foundation. Even millionaires can go broke. Far better to be with someone due to loving him, not his wallet.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 08:06 PM
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I'm all but convinced reddit is 90% teenagers who have never been in a relationship lasting over a year 😅
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 01:15 PM
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You didn't word it poorly at all, friend. It's just a standard kind of language that I try to make people think about whenever possible. It's so commonly expected that sometimes the nuance is forgotten about or even totally disregarded. You didn't do that though 👍
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 01:14 PM
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Yup. Bizarroworld level weirdness lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 01:12 PM
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Pink pill is essentially "female dating strategy". Think of it this way; take the commonly accepted redpill tropes of 1. Women only want men who can provide them with resources/money, 2. If you show emotional vulnerability to a woman, she will believe you're a weak provider, 3. Women often monkeybranch from one man to another when one shows higher financial success, 4. All women are hypergamous, and 5. Women prefer using sex to gain gifts/benefits from their man instead of as a form of physical …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 01:05 PM
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I used to be on purple pill debate, but stopped once it became infested with pink pillers who kept harassing me in DMs for daring to be a woman in a happy, very longterm FWB relationship. They have a seething hatred for any fellow female who doesn't see sex as a way to get money from their men 🙄 Hopefully things calmed down over there by now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 12:48 PM
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The feminists who actively or passively speak out against men's rights do so because they don't care about "that side", only how they can attempt to "improve" life for themselves and other women. The redpillers who actively or passively speak out against women's rights do so because, same thing, they don't care about "that side", only how they can attempt to "improve" life for themselves and other men. Matriarchy, patriarchy...it's just 2 sides of the same stupid coin, made to pit our species ag…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 12:44 PM
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All they would need to do is change "motherhood" to "parenthood" imo. Why use sex specific terms where none are needed and it's not realistic?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 12:35 PM
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Interesting, didn't know that. I tend to stay off of predominantly female subs due to the constant beatdowns lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 12:34 PM
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I read that one last night before it was deleted. As always, the guy received some decent advice but the majority defended his gf. Which yes, that is the right call. Depression is a bitch. I used to live with it in my 20s, and my FWB suffers with seasonal depression every winter like clockwork. It can be a struggle for both of us, but after 16 years there's certainly coping mechanisms for both of us to use. I think one of the major issues with relationships in modern times is how it's treated th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 12:33 PM
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Fwiw, I'm not in favor of society pushing the idea of unconditional love. Love should be conditional...on how your partner treats you. Saying to either sex that you're supposed to stay through any and all rough times is how so many end up remaining in legitimately abusive relationships. I grew up in evangelical Christianity and saw this used constantly as a way to "keep families together in the lord" when it would have been safer and less physically or emotionally painful to separate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 12:22 PM
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Ah, I didn't even know nothowgirlswork was a feminist sub. Thought it was an offshoot of BadWomensAnatomy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 12:16 PM
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You want to see female sexists in action? Go visit 2X. It even hates other women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 11:32 AM
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I'm 38 years old and have been in 5 positions of management over the course of my life (not counting now, as I have no employees yet). My method of managing people is "praise in public, punish in private" and to give tasks to those who are simultaneously good at them AND play to the individual's strengths. If I have an introverted employee who is good at chugging through chores while listening to music, I'm going to have them go count inventory and clean. I'm not going to force them into chores …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 11:16 AM
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I find it extremely funny that they think LWMA is misogynistic. I've been a member of every men's rights and manosphere sub on reddit (except guycry, never heard of it), and this is the least sexist against women by far. The only things so far are a couple appeals to AWALT or minor downplaying of actual historical misogynistic laws/standards. Believe me, that is nothing compared to other MRA subs lol. That being said, I don't think it's a good use of one's time to try and sway feminists over to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 11:00 AM
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I'm tempted to look it up on Google books, just to see if the author even attempted to justify the sexism of the novel. Like in a foreword or something.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 04:16 PM
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I think it does exist and there are incentives to do that. It absolutely does exist, and is horrible not only for the child but everyone involved other than the abuser. My father attempted to do so, and in a weird irony one of his previous wives/my ex-stepmother tried to do it to him, with their daughter/my half-sister. So long as there's no abuse from the parent, there is literally zero reason to ever cut your shared child off from their father (or mother).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 04:11 PM
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Yup. Two sides of the same coin. Where one sex gets a privilege, the other suffers, and vice versa. The thing is, even a lot of these privileges are really more like backhanded compliments when you stop and think.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 04:05 PM
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Where people able to write-in what they were, or did they just automatically have to check box 5 if they didn't identify as a feminist?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 11:06 AM
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Same. On an interesting note, a significant portion of feminists I've spoken to in the past 10 years believe this label is now a dog whistle term for MRA, and is automatically considered to be synonymous with being anti-woman.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 10:26 AM
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It would have been interesting to see what the 4,371 nonfeminists thought. How many were egalitarian? How many were tradcons? How many were sheltered enough to not even think about these questions? Also, it's the second highest number of people polled, meaning there's a very large percentage of people (mostly women, as the target polled demographic) who don't subscribe to that flawed ideology to begin with. This is an important distinction, as sometimes conversations about equality unfortunately…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 10:21 AM
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We're seen as inherently more innocent, pure, and in need of safeguarding than our male peers. So it's the mindset of infantalizing female people of all ages, which is revolting and misogynistic, while adultifying male people of all ages, which is equally disgusting and misandric.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 10:06 AM
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You also have laws against hiring discrimination that stopped absolutely no one from hiring only divers folk and women for years. 🙄 What does divers folk mean? Look up the hiring gap for the last few years compared to the percentual part of the population those minorities account for. I agree that affirmative action is a thing, and I disagree with it, as it's discrimination. A better solution to stop potentially misogynistic or racist hiring practices would have been to take the names off all re…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 10:00 AM
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I recommend this book as a starting point: War Against Boys, by Christina Hoff Sommers
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 10:00 PM
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So if Jake was drunk, and Josie was drunk...either they're both guilty of rape, or neither is. Enough of this bullshit accusing men of being inherently predatory. Enough of this bullshit of infantalizing women like we're not responsible for any of our actions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 09:49 PM
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I know its legal here in Quebec (as nothing is done about it), and probably in the US as well. Basically you can advertise your apartment for rent (as a landlord) as preferring women, and no one will sue you. No one will ever dare to do the same for preferring men. I know that private landlords, like someone renting out a house or a portion of their home, is legally able to do so. And if someone is sub-letting an apartment, I believe that is legal as well. But I would be extremely surprised if a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 04:37 PM
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Lots of women owned businesses, going way more than 100 years back. Yes, there have been. But the overwhelming majority were not owned purely by individual women, but rather by her family and she ran it. The "wild west" was interestingly a great exception to that, it's a really cool period to learn about where the harshness of creating new civilization together actually paved the way for a very egalitarian way of life, not just financially but legally too. The restriction was on credit cards afa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 03:42 PM
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I was never a feminist (I wasn't anything) but I have always held the idea that men and women are moral and intellectual equals and need to work together to embrace our similarities and respect our differences. It was how I was raised and I see it as the morally and objectively correct way to run our societies. I've also never been a feminist, not in my 39 years of lice thus far, and I have no problem saying I never will be. Their ideology, much like the redpill ideology, are both too harmful an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 03:23 PM
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That was a great thing you did, wonderful that you had such a productive conversation! If most of your discussion was public in the comments, then even if you didn't change that one individual's mind, there's always the chance another man will come along and your words will resonate with him on a stronger level. But I told him quite firmly that he has what I consider an obligation to always place his own gender's issues first and never put them secondarily to women's. And I assured him that they…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 02:06 PM
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Which changes in the last 100 years do you think will eventually bring society down? And when you say down, do you just mean changed drastically or complete anarchy?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 01:54 PM
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No, no, I agree!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 11:23 AM
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I could live without the internet. But I don't want to go back to being unable to own my business, open a bank account, obtain a mortgage, get birth control as an unmarried person, take out an education loan, have equal pay for doing the same job, be able to serve on a jury, and not face housing discrimination for being a woman. These are all laws that were federally passed within the last 100 years...my life would be so shitty and completely different (in a bad way) without them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 11:21 AM
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Oh no, I've been on blogs and subreddits where it's supposed to be for "women supporting women, in all walks of life". You find out super quick, sometimes within a couple hours of joining, that support is entirely reserved only for women who are in total agreement with the hive mentality there. If you don't shout along with the echo chamber, you're scum in their eyes and will be downvoted, shadowbanned, or just straight up harassed in both the comments and DMs. The idea of women having a loving …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 08:11 AM
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Yeah, at that point it just sounds like unnecessarily sexist word salad. So many words used to avoid saying the word men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 07:59 AM
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The food pantry workers were very happy with my donation, yeah. I've been trying to find other male oriented ways to help, or even ones that are dedicated to equal assistance, but it's proving to be difficult in my area. I'm considering doing my next one for a local organization that trains support dogs for military veterans, but will have to look into them more.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 07:57 AM
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Thank you. I'm an egalitarian and always try to show how, despite our differences in societal expectations, stupid bullshit affects both of us. Depending on the topic at hand, either men or women can be considered "human doings" and if you haven't done what is "required" there's no shortage of horrible people to remind you of your supposed failure as an adult. Imo if we talk about what happens on either side openly and honestly, men and women who actually give a shit will understand we're not so…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 07:52 AM
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Yeah, it depends on a few factors, and I've been hit/punched/kicked by both sexes in public and private too. Generally it does seem like women are less likely to care about getting caught, whereas men generally want to preserve their public reputation. Or it could be that they know being called out by other men or even punched themselves is a possibility. I wonder if the different reasons are in any of those studies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 07:46 AM
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I successfully ran a food drive/cash donation at my store from December 10th thru February 10th. Made sure my customers realized that this was not an excuse to clear out a bunch of canned vegetables they'd never eat, and stressed that it was for those who truly had little good, nutritious food to begin with. I turned the "tip" feature of my register back on for the occasion, and collected a total of $486 to donate along with over a hundred boxes and cans of non-perishables. I was proud of my com…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 06:32 AM
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Ok, my apologies, I appear to have misread your initial comment as it "increase[s] the amount of sexual human trafficking." So I was responding to something you didn't write. No worries. I was very confused with your reply lol, but glad we sorted it out. I don't think the workers themselves would be in favour of this, as it would greatly limit their clientele. In my little section of the US, all the escorts and most of the sex workers and strippers who engage in "extracurriculars" with regular c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 06:17 AM
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We are in agreement then. You're not saying that bringing "just" yourself to the table is the delusional part, but rather that it's extremely unfair that one side does while the other side typically needs to bring much more to have a shot. This is precisely why I'm in favor of men going their own way in current times, whatever that means for the individual. It's certainly a better option for many, from the hundreds of accounts I've read over the last 20+ years.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 06:09 AM
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Thanks for the response. Yeah, biologically speaking, that's nothing but sociologically things can change quite drastically in only a couple generations. This can be due to civil rights, technological advances, medical achievements, legal changes, etc. Compare 1924 US and 2024 US...not a single physical difference in our species, but holy shit is our general society a whole lot better for so many people! Most wouldn't want to go back in time 100 years, even though it is an incredibly short time …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 06:00 AM
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I'll watch on my way to work. I assumed you meant a "failed man" as in he's being deliberately antagonistic, but wanted to make sure. Never said that most men are assholes, or that most men would act like those parents I cut out of my life, or classmates I got away from. All my friends are men, and the overwhelming majority of my customer base. I'm well aware most men aren't abusive towards girls and women. I was simply pointing out that saying "a man wouldn't dare punch a woman" is not as true …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 05:48 AM
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I understand that's not how things currently are for the majority. My question was about the future, not the present. Do you think it's inherently delusional for both men and women to love and cherish their partner based on who they are? Like if 100 years from now most relationships are similar to mine, would you still speak against them like in your above comment?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 03:03 AM
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What do you mean by "failed guy" in your example? I've been hit by a few men in my life, including both family members and strangers, so I don't really see that concept of privilege as a firm stance. Sure, in public with a bunch of people around it doesn't happen often but in private that's a totally different environment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 02:59 AM
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According to the radical feminists, yes. Especially when they define "trafficking" so broadly that it includes virtually all sex work, making their claim tautological. In reality, no. That's interesting, I've never spoken to a feminist who was in favor of sex work, especially radfems. They're always highly against it, to the point of harassing sex workers in comment sections who try to explain their career decision. When I was referring to the decrease in trafficking, it was from conversations w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 01:19 AM
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I, as a male rape victim, was told by a woman to my face that my experience didn’t matter. Well, she was a bitch, and an incorrect one at that. I'm sorry you had that happen to you. So many women expect the men they date to give them the world while simultaneously deluding themselves into believing that bringing ONLY THEMSELVES to the table in exchange is a fair trade. Wouldn't it be better to work towards a future where more men can bring "only themselves" and be loved, accepted, and desired fo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 12:55 AM
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Hasn't it also been shown to decrease the amount of sexual human trafficking, pimping, slavery, etc when it's been fully legalized? I'm already in favor of things like destigmatizing sex as a whole, making sex work legal for both providers and purchasers, furthering our research into sex bots, and so on. These 5 points seem worthwhile too, although there also needs to be discussion on STDs and mandatory health screenings.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 12:33 AM
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She will not be denied the privileges of womanhood. Most male privilege will not apply to him. Which privileges are you referring to here?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 12:11 AM
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To a point, yes. I'd say that balances out in one's 30s. This is due to the fact Society won't consider you a "real man" unless you're financially successful, and won't consider you a "real woman" unless you're a mother. For any man above 35 who isn't entirely stable in his career, and any woman above 35 who is childfree, both are deemed failures and childish/immature. Edit: I'm curious about the reason for the downvotes. I certainly don't agree with this gatekeeping, and as a deliberately child…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 10:04 PM
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Correct, but I doubt feminists would ever use that fact to say women should fund things for men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 08:31 PM
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What does this mean? I think I know what you're getting at, and might disagree, but don't want to put words in your mouth.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 07:43 PM
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Probably because those are the guys that have never once been the object of a women's hornyness. Eh, that's kinda weird imo. We're the same species, we are all human beings...it never occurred to me, even as a child, to assume boys don't experience the same bodily things I do. It would be like assuming boys don't get itchy skin, or stomach aches, or feel hunger, or sweat when they're nervous. I never had to talk to a boy about any of these normal physical reactions to just automatically know the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 07:30 PM
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A lot of misandrists insist that women aren't sexual beings, and that makes women morally superior. I agree, and would add that I view these people as misogynistic too. In their eyes, heterosexual sex...even when 100% enthusiastic and consensual by both people...is inherently damaging or subconsciously undesired by the female partner. These whackjobs literally think that we do not get horny, do not want any form of penetration, do not have erotic fantasies, experience no lust or desire for our m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 05:13 PM
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Because we're just as oppressed now as we were 50-100 years ago, and it's the fault of every man who was ever alive! /s obviously, but I swear some people really just want current average men to pay for the shitty actions of past elite men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 05:04 PM
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Damn, there's a name I haven't seen in a long time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 04:51 PM
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It would be easier if I (or any of us here) knew a bit more of what you're looking for. Like have you genuinely never noticed how differently men and women, or boys and girls, get treated in society at large? I'm not being snarky, but trying to figure out where you're coming from with your question.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 04:49 PM
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Okay, any particular aspect of life or society?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 03:14 PM
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I really think women's sexual desire not being discussed, let alone in a healthy and productive manner, has done quite a lot of damage. It truly has. A lot of it is generally cultural, at least here in the US (like we can be sexy yet aren't considered sexual), but a large part has to do with religion too. I grew up in very traditional, evangelical Christianity and it was confusing, horrible, and made me feel ashamed for "daring" to be horny as a teen because "good girls don't feel those things" …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 03:14 PM
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It is okay for a single woman to walk/sit near a playground or school, whereas a single man is viewed as highly suspicious and likely a pedo. It is okay for a woman to insist that her date pay for the entire thing and still be seen as a capable, financially independent adult. If a man tried to do this, he'd be seen as a broke ass loser and severely decimate his dating opportunities. It is not only socially accepted but sometimes openly encouraged for women to use sex as a form of coercion on the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 02:07 PM
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Imo the reason is twofold. First, the myth of the "always aroused man." I've met grown ass men and women in their 40s, 50s, and even 60s who still perpetuate the ridiculous claim that males are horny 24/7/365, basically from age 13 onwards. I've met women who have said they broke down in literal tears when their bf or husband told them he was too tired for sex, needed time to decompress, didn't feel like being touched anymore after watching their kids all day, or was sick. The stupidest one was …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 01:56 PM
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This is how things are when you're on the extreme sides, unfortunately. On the feminist side it's YesAllMen. On the redpill side it's AWALT (all women are like that). It only serves to create rampant hostility, inherent distrust, and all around sexism since these fools appeal to some pseudoscientific concept of "male nature" or "female nature" that apparently nobody could ever grow against. It's a huge problem and only getting worse, when people see and talk about the opposite sex as an entirely…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 01:28 PM
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Thanks for the information. I was afraid that if I tried to look it up, most of the news would be in German and I'd miss context. As for the idea that fgm is worse than mgm, it isn't inherently. As grotesque as it is, there's different levels of both. Some are just ritualistic cuts on the male/female glans, some involve cutting off the foreskin/clitoral hood completely, some involve removal of even more parts. The only thing I know of that could be considered worse for women is when these sadist…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/24 01:28 PM
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Why did the German feminists oppose the mgm ban?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/24 12:56 PM
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Haven't heard of him, but thank you for bringing him up. His books look like they're worth reading.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/24 11:14 AM
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Idk if this has anything to do with it, but the rest of my family is highly conservative and religious. Neither my sisters nor their husbands believe in "my body, my choice". They're all forced-birthers. I'm the only one who's pro-choice (and atheist...go figure). So as much as it fucking sucks, I guess at least my family members are consistent about not giving a shit regarding bodily autonomy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/24 11:12 AM
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There was an article I read during lockdown how men were more likely to suffer from workplace accidents. This has been the case ever since we moved away from horrible, disgusting, inherently dangerous workplaces. It used to be that both sexes would be harmed or killed daily, now it is mainly men. It’s shocking yet how come we don’t hear any thing on similar topics like this in the media. The media only talks about what sells, not what matters. Just 4 months ago I fell off a conveyor belt and hit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/24 02:07 AM
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Absolutely this. I am childfree, but begged my sisters to not cut my nephews. I sent them videos, testimonials by men, and scientific research showing it is wholly unnecessary 99% of the time. All for naught. My 3 nephews were all cut. I thought I'd gotten through to my sister/brother-in-law when my first nephew was born, but he made the decision that "my son is going to look normal like me". Imo that kind of thinking shows, at least in the US, male genital mutilation is cyclical just like it is…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/24 01:48 AM
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Precisely this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/24 05:58 PM
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Fwiw, I think part of the reason you're being so heavily downvoted is your joking assertion that the 29% of men who haven't experienced sexual harassment are all single/lonely. Just because a dude has never been sexually assaulted doesn't mean he's unwanted by respectful women. Much like when we get harassed or assaulted by men, it doesn't matter if we're single, married, engaged, or otherwise in a longterm relationship. It doesn't matter if we're happy being alone or if we're incredibly lonely.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/24 03:31 PM
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I'm sure that's indeed what they think a "true man" is lol. Jokes on them, a true man is whatever he decides to be, not blind adherence to antiquated gender roles. Maybe one day they'll learn that, same as they learned for themselves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/24 02:44 PM
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Funny how the "conservative" women and liberal women agree on that part...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/24 02:35 PM
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The twenty-something’s actually insisted on paying the first date, almost every time. Pretty crazy. I (39F) am in a long-term relationship with a 15 year age gap, that started when I was 23. I can say with confidence that the reason for us paying at that age is to make sure we're starting off on equal financial footing and not seen by older men as gold diggers or users. It also really helps when we're defending ourselves against older women who think we're idiots and our dates are "creeps".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/24 02:34 PM
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This isn't only a Gen Z thing, it spans every modern generation. I'm an older millennial and this was something I always made sure to discuss prior to going on the first date with guys, so they knew beforehand I'd absolutely be paying for myself, and him if he wished. There was a very stark difference between the men who were cool with splitting vs wanting me to pay for it all vs refusing to go on a date with me for wanting to pay. I think this is something that doesn't get brought up much in su…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/24 01:51 PM
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Yes, because the paternal grandparents get to have far less of a role in their grandchildren's lives Ummm, what culture is this from that the paternal grandparents inherently have less of a role? Call me an ignorant American, but I've had friends and coworkers from countries across South America, Canada, and Europe. Never heard of a culture where this is done. I told her I had zero awareness of any of this cultural context, and she said "of course. You're a guy." Well you can tell her that this …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/24 10:27 AM
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As they should. Only someone who is a sadistic psychopath could think it's moral to cut off part of a literal baby penis. Like seriously, what the actual fuck. It's uncalled for, nonconsensual, and harmful mutilation, pure and simple. All for what, some weird appeal to either religion or aesthetic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/24 10:08 AM
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To be more hopeful, maybe at least some journalists are wanting to help men before we see even higher suicide rates.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/24 09:16 PM
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No worries, I understand the question and yeah, I've had similar observations. I think even Karen Straughan admits in her early videos that she didn't think anything of men's rights until she had sons. It seems extremely typical. But nope, I'm childfree. Have always had zero desire to ever procreate, and will hopefully hit menopause in the next 4 years lol. I think it's because ever since I was in elementary school, my best/closest friends have been boys/men. I have a lot of difficulty relating …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/24 09:06 PM
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Without going into details… I’ve even been violated while sleeping by a feminist who was soon going to court to testify against her presumed rapist. Her excuse was simply "you’re just too hot I couldn’t resist". First off, that's horrible and disgusting. I'm so sorry you went through that, and hope you're doing okay now. Not for nothing, given that she apparently has zero understanding of what rape actually is, I wonder if she was even was. Not saying it's impossible but it sounds more like she'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/24 12:23 PM
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While I understand what you're trying to say, being objectified and harassed is completely different than being desired as a lover. Think of it as someone grabbing you and forcing a sandwich down your throat vs someone wanting to take you out to lunch.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/24 12:02 PM
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My reply has always been that it doesn't matter if it happens less often. A wrong is still wrong, a crime is still a crime, harm is still harm regardless of who's experiencing it. This isn't a zero sum game. Talking about issues that men face alongside women does not, in fact, take anything away from us.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/24 11:55 AM
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That's revolting. I'm sorry you were objectified in such a gross way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 11:43 PM
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for the first, it would be understandable they might treat some ethnicities as cattle. for the latter it would be understandable for someone to have a family member who has a different race relative who they love, and see as human, but just an inherently different type of human and apply generalizations to them and treat them differently (but not necessarily worse) because of it. sexism, specifically conservative sexism, is only the latter. What experiences or conversations have led you to this …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 11:39 PM
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This isn't necessarily a little known issue, but it may as well be for as often it's dismissed as inconsequential. Male genital mutilation, aka circumcision.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 11:13 PM
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I'm autistic too, and had incredibly low self-esteem as a child and young adult, partially because of my awkwardness and speech lisp, partially because I was raised in highly conservative evangelical Christianity that frankly acted as though women were inherently more sinful/immoral/inferior. I permanently left my parents home at age 17, became an atheist at age 21, and finally had sex at age 23 after graduating college. It took a ton of introspection and years of working on my self-worth to get…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 11:01 PM
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That is an excellent way of looking at it!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 02:31 PM
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While it is true, many have called feminism a weaponising of borderline against autism. I believe it. They don't like us (autistic women) either. We're often accused of internalized misogyny and being pick mes. A lot of us have significant trouble understanding typical female social cues and body language/vocal changes, and doublespeak (which is used more by women) is particularly confusing to someone who's brain is wired for direct verbal communication. So naturally we act more masculine and gr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 09:38 AM
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I can say it because throughout my entire life, my closest friends have always been men, and the traits I see in them are the ones I've also had as a naturally masculine woman. Usually, when a feminine woman tries to act masculine, she overdoes it since it's not something that she is familiar with. This is especially true for the ones who have no male friends and/or think they must be masculine to obtain any admiration from their employees/coworkers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 09:21 AM
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I don't believe that heterosexual couples are the only ones capable of raising children in a healthy and respectful manner, but will agree that both feminine role models and masculine role models are necessary. For example, in the case of a gay couple raising their daughters, they should have some close female friends/relatives in the kids lives. And vice versa for sons raised by lesbian parents. Other than that, I think we're in agreement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 03:06 AM
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It works between you two cuz it's still that interplay between masculine & feminine energies. My best friend & her husband have very similar dynamic. Yeah, it works precisely because there's no competition of masc/masc or fem/fem. When you still have pretty traditional gender roles, just reversed because it's individual preference, it's really not significantly different from the norm. Issues would only arise if one or both of the partners were being forced into roles they didn't want to perform…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 02:07 AM
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Thank you. What kind of opportunities?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 11:45 PM
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And that's an okay opinion to have, so long as you're still polite to trans people. Personally I believe in brains determining one's gender, since that's the actual person. Like if you lost your dick in a terrible car accident, you'd still be a man because your brain is structured in a masculine way. I do agree that feminine men and masculine women exist too. I'm the latter, in that I greatly prefer male gender roles but acknowledge that I'm female sexed. But that's different than being trans, w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 11:31 PM
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Can I be in the left if I don't believe a man can identify as a women, BLM movement are hypocritical because they don't care about black on black crime, and all white (men) people are evil? If not, I can't support the left like that. I would say you couldn't accurately identify as being on the left, but that doesn't mean you can't support men's rights. Also, transmen exist too. Sorry, I just find it really odd when conservatives only talk about transwomen, and completely dismiss the entire other…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 10:44 PM
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Question: is a "gender gap" problematic if it occurs naturally, due to letting people select their own occupations? (Assuming that there are actually no unfair/sexust deterrents at play, of course.)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 10:12 PM
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Precisely. It's all an excellent example of living with perpetual cognitive dissonance.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 09:59 PM
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Oh it's terrible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 09:57 PM
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Once that was said, I realized it's something I've heard too. And yes, mainly from women, though also from specifically feminist men. Likewise about men with guns, motorcycles, or large dogs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 09:24 PM
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If there are no discernible differences between the two sides, I am inclined to distance myself from both the Left and the Right and instead advocate for the support of men throughout my life. The main difference I've seen, as a female member of LWMA and a former reader of the MRA sub, is this one has far less inclination towards any redpill/AWALT statements. It happens every now and then, but not to the extent it makes one feel unwelcome as a men's rights supporter from the "wrong" sex. On the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 09:21 PM
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Totally fair lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 08:01 PM
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Well said, agree 100%.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 06:24 PM
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There's also not as many of us working in sanitation collection, sewage maintenance, general contracting, or mining. Still waiting for feminists to protest the lack of women in those jobs. I say this as an almost 40 year old woman who has worked as a cashier, warehouse shipper, landscaper/outside maintenance, stable cleaner, traveling sales manager, wildlife rehabilitator, permit contractor, and now works for myself full-time. So many different jobs are available for both sexes, including labor …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 04:58 PM
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It does, but is just as fake.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 04:49 PM
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Truth. It's like how every loudly feminist woman I've ever spoken to irl has somehow also been very pro-traditional gender roles for men. When I would point out that this is not equality, they'd claim it was fine because "women are still below men as a whole". What, so just because there's still blatantly harmful misogyny in some other countries, it's okay for women in the US to have the men here "make up for it"? Fucking bizarre viewpoint.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 03:53 PM
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I'm glad it helped. Anytime someone tells you something that sounds ridiculous, ask around a bit here to see what everyone else thinks. Hell, you can message me directly. There's so much asinine bs floating around about men, women, sex, anatomy...Basically insanity, as you said.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 03:31 PM
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Yeah, they're lying, bro. Nobody out here being psychic or reading minds lol. Like I've seen women in other gender discussion subs say to incel/struggling dudes that "women are able to tell you're misogynistic from looking", and I'm just like...nah. That's not real. You cannot figure out someone's thoughts/beliefs simply from seeing them walking around. Body language can give extremely general insight, but even that isn't 100% accurate. It's like how some redpill dudes I've spoken to said they'r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 03:24 PM
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I swear, as much as people tell you women can "sense" your personalities and insecurities, there seems to be a lot of people who take others at face value. I've heard this from some pickup artists/men unlucky in dating, but never in the general public. Is this something that's being toted as "true" nowadays? Can say that I have absolutely no way to just "sense" any random man's insecurities without actually speaking to them about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 02:38 PM
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And here I thought things were getting better for men, at least from a legal standpoint against violence. Apparently not. The cyberbullying part is bad of course, due to the whole "are we dating the same guy" groups online. But I'm particularly pissed about the lack of protection for infant boys genital mutilation. Yes, by all means, please do prevent our vulvas from being cut up and sewn shut. But stop hospitals from offering unnecessary circumcision too!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 11:48 PM
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It shouldn't even matter if we have sons or brothers. Egalitarianism is the most equal path, regardless. If you see someone suffering, and you have even a mote of empathy for other humans, your instinct should be to aid them. Frankly the issue seems to be just a lack of empathy for men, and to a slightly lesser extent, boys, all around.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 09:38 PM
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It would be far fairer and easier to be prepared by having a discussion in one's relationship about making sure both partners have a separate bank account, in addition to their main shared one. This doesn't even have to be created with the idea of needing to escape one's spouse someday. It could simply be used to differentiate one's personal spending for hobbies or friend vacations, so it doesn't get accidentally spent on household expenses. Surely something like this, that both people know abou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 09:31 PM
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What world do you think she lives in? Personally I think it's incredibly surprising for her to do. Given that she didn't make the go-bag due to past trauma/abuse, or because her husband ever acted dangerously, but rather claimed to have only done so because of reading mommy forums. One of the main aspects of being an adult, either woman or man, is to not automatically accept every piece of advice you read online. Especially if it doesn't pertain to your own life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 09:08 PM
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Yes actually, and don’t shoot the messenger. Just look at how many women are choosing to stay single now that Western society has removed social pressure on marriage and granted women economic independence. Speaking from just my own experience as a 39 year old woman, the reason I never got married has nothing to do with fearing men or thinking my hypothetical husband would abuse/oppress me. It's because I think the main reason for marriage is to raise children in a stable, 2 parent household. Si…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 08:52 PM
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Ok, so all heterosexual and bisexual women practice celibacy and abstain from men 🤷🏾‍♀️ Why do you assume this would be the result? It's not as if all of us (speaking as a hetero woman here) are afraid of men as a whole. Have there been men in my life I was fearful of? Yes, my father, stepfather, and step-uncle were legitimately abusive towards me for the majority of my childhood. Does that mean I should be fearful of all men? No, my male longterm FWB, my friends, coworkers, clients, and neighbo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 08:43 PM
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Women are allowed to look, be and act as innocent and youthful about things as possible Speaking from my experiences as a 39 year old woman, it's not so much that we're "allowed" to act youthful and innocent, but that we're expected to do so and get stigmatized/dismissed when we don't. Unfortunately, I look about 12-14 years younger than I actually am. Frequently I'll have new coworkers or clients assume I'm 26, like I just finished college a few years ago. Even when when informed of my real age…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 08:26 PM
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This is a fantastic breakdown of the core problems faced by both sexes. There's 2 sides to each coin, positive and negative.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/24 04:11 AM
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Thanks, I also enjoyed our conversation and hope it gave you some new perspectives to consider moving forward in our fight against sexism towards both sides.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/24 04:03 AM
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I think there are a few, simply due to having minor differences in brain structure. After all, transwomen and transmen exist, and it has been shown they have structures corresponding far more closely to the opposite sex. But these differences are minute, and have more to do with how information is processed by the brain, not what kind of personality, flaws, or strengths they have as individuals. I would say that automatically assuming you will encounter negative or positive traits from someone b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/24 03:39 AM
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There's nothing wrong with saying that a certain trait is shown by one sex more than another, whether positive or negative. After all, the unfortunate truth is that boys and girls are raised with incredibly different sets of social rules, expectations, types of discipline, even toys and education. It would indeed be strange if somehow the majority of women and majority of women ended up 100% the same as adults, when we've been forced into becoming so different. Again, the issue at hand is that t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/24 03:03 AM
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No, I haven't seen the movie. I didn't get good reviews from my friends and it seemed like the underlying message would be misandric. Regardless, I know what you're referring to and saw it happen to some girls (and boys) in middle school, high school, and even freshman year of college. This herd mentality does exist, certainly. My comment wasn't denying that it occurs, most especially in teenage girls/boys, and into very early young adulthood. Peer pressure and the intense desire to be accepted …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/24 02:19 AM
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It's unlikely this is our "nature", otherwise it would be seen in nearly all of us, regardless of age, income, culture, ethnicity, worldview, etc. Rather, it's a case of those specific individuals being two-faced or trying to make the current conversation work in their favor. These women shouldn't be given the excuse of "oh it's just female nature to be disingenuous", because 1) it's inaccurate to base on merely having XX chromosomes, and 2) they should be held responsible for their cognitive di…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/24 10:50 PM
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Same. I'm an egalitarian woman, anti-feminist and in favor of true equality for both sexes. That goes for all aspects of society, not just the legal sector. The number of other women who've accused me of having internalized misogyny, being a Pick Me, or wanting to otherwise suck up to men is absurdly high. Ironic when you think about it, given that supposedly "real" feminism is all about treating men and women as totally equal...but then when you're fighting for that, it's misogynistic. Losing p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/24 04:27 PM
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I'm a bit confused. I said that women like you previously described aren't worth being around or dealing with. What part of that comment are you "not going to believe"? I agreed with you 100%, but your reply sounds like it's defensive for some reason.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/23 01:50 AM
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Thanks for the response! Fwiw, nothing you mention sounds like pua behaviors. It just seems like you learned to not pedestalize us, treat us as social equals, banter and joke rather than be gentlemanly/prudish. A huge mistake that so many young men make is to talk to us like we're old-fashioned noble ladies...like they refuse to curse around us, refuse to tell any jokes, refuse to accept that we enjoy sex too, refuse to see us as normal, flawed human beings exactly like themselves. Being pedesta…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/23 11:56 PM
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Hey, no worries dude. Tbh I didn't even consider that your original comment was referring to women. The post is about Feminism, so I'd assumed you were talking about Feminists in general, not women in general. I do hope you'll one day find a far better and moral woman than the sad excuses your friends have encountered. I'm 39 this year. Been with my lover for 18 years, he's my only sex partner ever, and my best friend...that necessarily means I've shared myself with him physically and emotionall…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/23 02:38 PM
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Fwiw, sounds almost like a winning move to not have Feminists want to be around you, though. Hell, I'm an Egalitarian woman and don't want them around me either, as their entire modern ideology is based on a constant narrative of "men bad, men always bad, even good men are subconsciously bad". People like us never had their respect in the first place, so it's not something to lose. All we can do is speak out against misandric issues and hope our voices eventually get loud enough to drown out the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/23 12:07 PM
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However, the point of gender symmetry is not to minimize how women (or men) suffer from IPV/DV. The point is that society cannot solve the problem of domestic violence if it only addresses the problem of male perpetration and only provides help to female victims. This is the best response, and one I've recently begun using. Of course, some feminists will still insist that more "needs" to be done for women than men, but if you keep them talking long enough, their female supremacy ideology will st…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/23 12:46 AM
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Edit: sorry if I seem a little hostile but even a whiff of the "oh no look at this awful thing men did to themselves! they woke up one day with these beliefs that exist completely in a vacuum of their own man-doing" rhetoric and I'm gonna say something, this framing is too wide spread. That's not hostile, that's just calling out stupidity. Anyone who says that men "did this to themselves" is victim blaming on a social level. Also, I saw you responded to my other comment but other than a tiny bit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/23 12:31 AM
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I'm going to be honest though, I was sceptical and saw PUA stuff as sexist at one point, but I decided, after many failed dates using the advice of women and getting nowhere, to try their methods....... and it worked immediately. Would be willing to discuss some of the things that worked? I've had men attempt to use various redpill/pua tactics on me, and they only served to make me laugh awkwardly or cringe away. This goes not only for obviously new pua types, but guys who were more subtle/"natu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/23 12:11 AM
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Wait until you find out that women also base a man's entire worth on how much women want him and thats probably why men are so self conscious about it in the first place. Male virgins are so universally despised by women that it is the go-to insult to impune their masculinity/validity as a "real man" even if sex isn't remotely related to the argument. Women who hold these kinds of ideas aren't worth dealing with or being around. Believe me, we find them to be incredibly cringe and sexist too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/23 12:02 AM
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That's terrible. How old are you/your friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:41 PM
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There I fixed that for you. If that has been your personal experience, that sucks and i'm sorry for you. Your user flair betrays you... All it says is long-term friend with benefits...What kind of betrayal are you talking about????
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 02:57 PM
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I'm not missing the point, I'm an American woman myself. I give more in my relationship than I receive, and am fine with it. Yes, some women...just like some men...are materialistic assholes. That's why such behavior should either be called out or avoided altogether, time and energy should only be given to a reciprocating partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 01:44 PM
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...what?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 12:36 PM
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Same, same, same! I don't give a crap about money or height...imo those things aren't even close to the top 10 traits that actually matter in a partner. I totally understand and acknowledge that for some women, those are definitely deal breakers. I know that! I'm not saying guys are lying when they have been rejected! It does suck, and I'm empathetic towards dudes who go through that! But just because X number of women care about those traits doesn't mean all of us do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 09:42 PM
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Which others have you noticed
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 08:44 PM
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He is average, but that is more than enough for me since I have vaginismus. An above average size would be painful and horrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 06:55 PM
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The ones in this sub are almost entirely manospherian, yes. People who don't live in Western countries have their own cultures and advice that applies to them. Ours wouldn't work for them, just like theirs wouldn't work for us. Why aren't you giving further advice then? Why only say that it's possible? I never denied the existence of other types of women, just pointed out the types that manospherians overwhelmingly discuss. Where did I claim normal women "aren't that many in retrospect"? I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 11:19 AM
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i didnt mention manospeherians, i said men who push back on advice given by women Which tend to be manospherian men, or manosphere adjacent, such as this sub. Not always, but the majority who do. or anecdotes of how this specific person that has a characteristic that leads to a disadvantage in dating are usually right on the idea that it wasn't simply about personality , being short is a disadvantage in dating overall Sure, there could be characteristics other than personality that made hypothet…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 08:33 AM
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Why are you talking about short men now...? Your last comment was about how manospherian dudes are "right" about what women are attracted to more than half the time. I doubt that highly, since I've not seen evidence for this in over 19 years of reading the manosphere. My estimate is they're right 20-25% of the time, because the majority of their discussions and observations revolve around talking about the subset of women who are alpha chasers/gold diggers. Y'know, the kind of women you see on F…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 08:00 AM
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Doubtful.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 07:49 AM
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Truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 12:58 AM
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True, but amazing nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 12:35 AM
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Idk what a 3 series is, lol. But yes, they do frequently state that he must be absurdly tall (he's 5'10 and I'm 5'7...not a significant difference), or that he's rich (I actually make more and am debt free vs his multi thousand dollars of debt), or he's a swole gym rat (he has body fat of 30% which is sexy af...thicc men are wonderful). And of course, other women have had similar experiences that I've read here. It would be better for the conversation for the guys to ask more questions than to j…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 12:34 AM
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We still aren't dating. As I said, we're FWB. We were normal friends for 2 years, and been FWB for 15 on top of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 12:27 AM
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I was responding to the person who said: But they gloss over the actual things that initially attracted them to that guy. And that’s what the guys asking for advice want to know. Point being, it is many women's experience that even when we specifically and deliberately explain what actual things attracted us to our partners, we are...in general, not AMALT...told that we're lying. Either we can't possibly be attracted by those traits because it disagrees with manospherian ideology, or we are virt…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 12:24 AM
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Unfortunately, many men (at least in this subculture of the internet) will just brush off these exact answers if they don't conform to what he wants to hear. I've always been open and honest about how and where I met my FWB, what physical and social traits made me want to be around him, the reason we became sexual partners after being normal friends for 2 years, etc. Some guys appreciate this information...most claim I'm just virtue signaling. It's pretty frustrating to be asked an earnest quest…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 10:10 PM
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Yup. Precisely the reasons high N men are generally not worth dating, and aren't good choices for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 01:17 AM
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Why
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 12:23 AM
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It makes perfect sense. He doesn't need to pay for anything when we're hanging out together because I take care of everything. I open my wallet so he doesn't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:23 AM
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I don't what, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:20 AM
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I don't know what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 01:57 PM
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That's unfortunate. You know a lot of immature women then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 11:47 AM
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Sure. But she'll blame him and his death grip, porn addiction, weird fetish. If she's petty or misandric, yeah. It couldn't possibly be that he didn't find her attractive, or she had bad skills, or a loose vagina. Or the most likely explanation of all, that he is human and sometimes one's body doesn't cooperate, no matter how much one wishes it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 12:35 AM
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No problemo 😄
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 12:56 AM
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You have to go pick it up at the restaurant, but it's super easy
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 12:49 AM
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Lol you've said as much quite a number of times. Which is interesting since I'm frequently told I'm one of the least abrasive people anyone has met
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:01 PM
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How so? You don't think it's just as likely she's a low/average N woman who was raised with a princess mentality by her parents?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 01:51 PM
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Nah, just very different to find someone who is polite. There's like...10 of us lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:47 PM
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...are you not new?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 11:46 AM
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No problem. You're new here, I see. Or maybe just polite.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 09:41 AM
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...what's always too much? Paranoia?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 09:10 AM
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I do think a guy that has a genuine distaste for women or their behavior on a deep level (when would he be talking to women, honestly) would give his self away with micro reactions or outright biased rhetoric that doesn’t fit the interaction Idk about this, since many people are adept at hiding their true thoughts and beliefs when in public. Sure, a guy who is new to "red pill rage" and struggling with it mentally is probably going to slip up since he's currently frustrated and upset. But someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 09:09 AM
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Look at yourself in the mirror and ask if you'd have sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:59 AM
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The cell phone paranoia thing would be the deal breaker for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:55 AM
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A bunch of us millennial women aren't as hypnotized by them as previous generations were. I'm not the only woman I know who doesn't really see a reason to get married if you're not having kids. Idk how old you are though, so this information may not help.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:54 AM
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Because as much as some people enjoy pretending that women have a bullshit or asshole detector, we don't. The most you could possibly say is that most neurotypical women are able to read body language slightly better than men, but it's extremely easy to learn to control this too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:37 AM
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You're terrified by the idea of wanting to please him? Or you want to please him but are afraid you won't do it correctly/the way he'd like?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:35 AM
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Male chastity toy
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:30 AM
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I thought you were going to link to a Mormon dating site
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:29 AM
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Why do you want to get married?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:29 AM
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Fellas the way you truly feel about women will pervade every aspect of your interaction with them. THEY WILL PICK UP ON THIS. How are we supposed to do this? It seems the same as when some guys say they can "just tell" when a woman has a promiscuous past. Fwiw, I don't believe either stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:27 AM
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Just saying neither is indeed a waste of time, but if you also point out the major reasons why both options are unacceptable to you, that could help add to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:25 AM
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So, always an asshole and has just to pretend otherwise when with the current object of his "affections". I was correct, shitty personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:22 AM
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That sounds like a forum for the Grindr app
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:20 AM
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Fwiw, I'm glad you've moved from saying all like you were yesterday, to saying most now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:19 AM
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I don't know about the other 2, but the Too Good To Go app lets you buy unsold food from local restaurants and bakeries at 1/3 or 1/2 the original price, since they would have thrown it out otherwise. Basically helps prevent food waste.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:17 AM
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Oh, I know I did. I'm too nice, give too many people the benefit of the doubt. Need to work on becoming more cynical.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:10 AM
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Lol oh I'm sure. That's why it sounds like he plays mind games and is a player who doesn't know how to operate a phone. 😏
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:09 AM
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2 is the only one I've struggled with throughout life, but have been getting much better at reining my workaholic tendencies in.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:07 AM
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That's only 2 inches shorter than me, very well worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:03 AM
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B offers next to nothing though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:02 AM
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Those women were fools, and needlessly cruel. I hope you know that. No matter what else you may think.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 07:59 AM
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A would be my choice, he is closest to what I value and look for in a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 02:44 AM
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If that's what the dude wants, absolutely. I have no problem supporting men who are into that stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 02:41 AM
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That's sad. Thicc, rotund, plump, soft men are an absolute joy to behold.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 02:37 AM
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It has to be some weird mistake
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 01:37 AM
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I don't know! 😑
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 01:36 AM
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Unfortunately, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 01:35 AM
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Possibly. Could also be that they work inside more, and thus avoid the aging from UV
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 01:06 AM
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On the opposite side, I reported and blocked the guy who kept sending pics of his erections. The reddit report came back that they reviewed our conversation and he didn't do anything to break standard reddit rules. So...I guess the rule about sending unsolicited sexual content is cool now 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 01:05 AM
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Do you see any kind of pattern?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 01:01 AM
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What does this actually mean to you
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:59 AM
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And then there's the reverse, where someone is in their 30s but still look like they just graduated college a couple years ago. Genetics is a big part, but gotta say that a healthy lifestyle seems to be a bigger factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:58 AM
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You are correct, and it is annoying 😒
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:52 AM
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Eh, I just looked it up and bear mode apparently is only about 15%, maybe 20% body fat. That's definitely not enough for a nice thicc plump dadbod.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:25 AM
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Guess I need to go buy a bunch of mirrors then lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:22 AM
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As a woman who finds high fat/low muscle dadbods very attractive...yeah, the overwhelming majority of women don't like them. If you were trying to get the most amount of positive female attention and for them to think you're sexy, you should become fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:10 AM
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I have asked women I know and most of them tell me that they also know it's a common thing but that they don't really care as long as men don't bother them by leering or doing anything creepy other than a casual look and then back to minding their own business. Pretty much this. It's like when you see an attractive or interesting looking man...sure, they may catch you glancing but it doesn't seem to be anything insulting or bad. Sometimes people are just nice to look at. I also want to ask if yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:04 AM
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...why would anyone need to do that? Even if you want to make sure your pants are fitting well, or even look sexy, that's a lot of overkill lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 11:56 PM
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Not all of us, no. For example, I was raised in a traditional, conservative, Jehovah Witness household for much of my childhood. In that faith, men are considered to essentially be better than women...y'know, not said outright but in that gross, subtle, religious "women are designed to be helpers not leaders" way. I became an atheist in my very early 20s and stopped believing in my "inferiority" a couple years before that. But I still don't believe that we are living in a patriarchal society, no…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 11:54 PM
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I've answered this probably a dozen times lol. Let me see if I can find one of my previous responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 10:17 PM
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Not all of us are entitled bitches 🤷🏼‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 10:13 PM
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Some don't, some do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 10:13 PM
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This is what I assume
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 09:28 PM
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So many women here and else where act like the state of modern dating isn't there problem because obviously it's going well for them. They're shacked up in happy relationships and have partners. And from an objective point of view it isn't "their" problem right now. Just because it's not my problem doesn't mean it isn't a problem though. Empathy is still important. hope you plan on being child free I absolutely am. And half seriously anticipate people will start dating androids/synths.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 09:23 PM
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Is FWB a relationship according to you? Some people here claim it isn't one. If yes, then yeah, I enjoy it immensely. If no, then I've no desire for one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 08:36 PM
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I feel extremely empathetic towards them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 07:11 PM
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Oh, I agree that many marriages are kept going for reasons of safety or because of pressure from family/social circle. There's many men and women alike in the dead bedroom sub, for example, who outright state that the only reason they haven't divorced to find a partner who actually wants to fuck them is due to the backlash they'd get from said people. It boggles my mind that leaving a relationship where your sexual and physical needs are being ignored, or worse, declared immature/horrible, could…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 07:09 PM
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Thanks, I just finished reading your comment. First I want to clarify something you said. When you said "ALL, yes ALL women!" were you just exaggerating or you truly don't believe that outliers exist? Because if you don't believe any woman, at all, in the entire world, can trade her MEAT for a man's SEAT...unfortunately that means you think I am not a real person and it's unlikely we can actually have an honest conversation. If you were just exaggerating (aka the common "AWALT doesn't really mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 06:39 PM
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It really should be nowadays, I mean there's no reason for either person to spend a crap ton of money on a first or second date when you're just getting to know each other
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 04:20 PM
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Depends on the person, like I don't know if I've ever experienced romantic love. But talking to most of my friends and my siblings/cousins, who are all mid 20s+, yes, most people do fall in love.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 03:31 PM
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Well...those are certainly words I never thought I'd read together.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 03:26 PM
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This is more true than people are ready to admit
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 03:24 PM
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So it seems we do actually agree lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 03:21 PM
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Thank you for your perspective. It's always confusing to me when guys here say that they must pay for a woman's meal or else they'll never get any dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 02:53 PM
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Unfortunately, yes. It does sound like you've been in shitty relationships, and you have my sympathy. It sucks to be the one giving more if you don't want to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 01:55 PM
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In a healthy relationship, each person contributes something that improves the quality of their partners life, while receiving the same. Which is precisely what I think too. Hence why I said both people give their time, energy, attention, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 11:25 AM
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As a woman who leans red (not in a tradcon red pill woman way, more a mgtow way) I'm just going to say the redpill stuff is helpful in some areas and not in others. It's good for general discussions but can fall apart at the individual level. You gotta take a step back from it now and then to maintain good mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 11:05 AM
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...do you agree or disagree with my comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 10:59 AM
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I'm in the US, but going dutch appears to be less common in cities with the more elite/popular mentality people. I live in a very rural area.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 10:58 AM
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Yeah, I don't think anyone must have the same exact N to be fair as a couple. Like if one partner has N of 2 and the other has 0, or if one person has 5 and the other is 3, that all makes sense. Honestly I've never once seen a comment saying a man has to be a virgin if he wants a virgin wife, I've only seen the numerous comments reminding high N...like the 50+ N type...men that wonen who have remained virgins very likely won't want them. It's a good thing to give people reality checks now and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 10:20 AM
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Depends on where you live, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 10:14 AM
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I ignored it in my comment because it's not inherent. Going Dutch is a common option.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 05:10 AM
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This just sounds like a normal relationship, each person "pays" with their time, attention, and energy at minimum since you're actively with the other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 11:38 PM
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Yeah except most men arent going to be sitting on 200 bodies. I agree that most men don't have that kind of count. There's supposedly a handful of members here who are such "chads" with N in the hundreds, but they are an extreme minority. Theyre going to be your boyfriend at best realistically. Well, possibly. I do know a few men who have N of 30-40, and around a dozen who have 19-24 N. I think that most average people are around the 8-12 mark though. And women will tell them he is disgusting fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 11:35 PM
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Yeah except most men arent going to be sitting on 200 bodies. I agree that most men don't have that kind of count. There's supposedly a handful of members here who are such "chads" with N in the hundreds, but they are an extreme minority. Theyre going to be your boyfriend at best realistically. Well, possibly. I do know a few men who have N of 30-40, and around a dozen who have 19-24 N. I think that most average people are around the 8-12 mark though. And women will tell them he is disgusting fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 11:35 PM
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Ok and so why exactly do women always question whether you yourself are a virgin if you want her to be a virgin? I want to say I don't have any issues with people wanting what they want, so long as they acknowledge the potential difficulty in actually finding such a person. A guy with a N of 200 is totally free to want a virgin wife...it would be preferable for him to be realistic, but hey, dreams are dreams. The biggest pushback I see in such scenarios is when a high N guy starts pedestalizing …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 10:55 PM
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My sole point is that, in general, low N women don't want to marry or seriously date high N men. That's it. Finished. Complete. Fin. Since I'm with a below average N man...or if you want me to call him average to go based on your personal opinion...we both agree he isn't high N. So yes, I wouldn't have sex with or be in a relationship with a high N man. I obviously am fine with average and below average N men, and my preference for a committed relationship is low N.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 10:43 PM
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Yeah, precisely. You sound very level headed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 10:31 PM
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That makes a lot of sense
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 10:21 PM
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You're confused. Please go back and read the other comments, i was asking him in contextual reference to a man's N. I'm done with this conversation, though, so have a good day. I won't be responding anymore since it's just circular by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 10:20 PM
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The core issue here is you believe a statistically average N is actually high. And that's fine for your own usage, but it doesn't work for the purpose of this conversation. Edit: here's the data for each generations average N https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/4479617/average-number-sexual-partners-generation/#:~:text=the%20highest%20numbers.-,Millennials,women%20and%2013.4%20for%20men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 10:17 PM
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I was asking the other guy if he couldn't tell the difference between A MAN having a count of 9 vs A MAN having a count of 50. That's the question I wanted him to answer. For the purpose of this discussion I don't give 2 shits about men's point of view regarding women's N. You're the one who brought that up, not me. And I'm not angry or saying this in a mean way, I just literally do not have a single care for this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 10:06 PM
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Exactly. And it is logical that low N men don't want high N women. Idk why this is a difficult concept lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 09:53 PM
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It's not high, it's below average for both millennials and Gen X lifetime numbers. I was a virgin getting into a relationship with an average N guy, at the very most. I would never be with a high N man, even casually. I don't know what you're talking about. Men can sleep around if they want, women can sleep around if they want. Men can stay low N if they want, women can stay low N if they want. Everyone can then figure out what N they're willing to accept from a partner. My point is that men who…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 09:50 PM
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Yeah, I don't know if she was being sarcastic or not
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 09:44 PM
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So you're willing to have bad/not as good sex because you want them to know what you want, instead of telling them "hey, I'd love it if you'd touch me more"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 09:43 PM
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What's your thoughts on N now?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 09:41 PM
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You don't, as an individual. Other men don't want a woman with N of more than 0 or 1 or 7. Other men don't want a woman with N of higher than 20. I'm honestly a bit confused why we're talking about women's N, when my initial comment you responded to was about men's N. The other commenter somewhat accused my FWB of having a high N at 9...I said 9 is not a high N, and was questioning whether he could see the difference between a man having 9 previous sex partners vs a man having 50 previous sex pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 09:41 PM
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My bad! 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 09:37 PM
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No, the average is 4-7. The average for all modern generations combined is 4-7. The differences between generations I mentioned are when you parse out the data. Anyway, it doesn't matter as much, the 2nd point was the most important one. That is being in 2 digits. That's just disgusting. Okay, then don't date men or women who have double digits. Nobody is forcing you to. My limit for a man's N is 15...I don't want man with higher than that. Your limit appears to be 9, which is also fine. Each pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 09:03 PM
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For guys there is no difference between 9 and 50. Both of them are above average. Depends on your generation. For millennials, which is my generation, the average for women is about 10.8, and the average for men is about 13.4 For Gen X, which is my FWB's generation, the average for women is 10.1, and men is 16.1 So with me being his 10th lifetime partner, he's below average for both our generations. 50 would be significantly higher than average. And both of them mean that he will be Mr Two-Digit…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 08:22 PM
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It kind of made me feel less appreciated because I expected her to reciprocate the way I touched her. I noticed this not only with her but with other women too. Did they not change their actions when you told them what you wanted? Do you observe the same and if so, why is that so and what does it tell about women and men? I have extremely limited experience, but my lover and I touch each other pretty equal amounts. It probably has a lot to do with the dynamic of the people involved though. Like …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 08:01 PM
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Even when not sexual, male bodies generally are nice to look at.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 07:54 PM
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This is the biggest point that people on both sides don't seem to realize. There is nothing immoral or unethical about high N. Low N people aren't better or purer. It's not even a guarantee that someone would or wouldn't have a STD or sexual trauma or hangups about sex. The issue about high N is, it shows that...at some point in that person's life...they didn't place a big emphasis on LTRs and probably see sex as just another fun thing to do on a Saturday night. Whereas for low N people, we tend…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 07:47 PM
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Which is odd, because when the genders are flipped, the one's who don't understand...suddenly do. 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 07:21 PM
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Thanks for talking about your preferences and experiences! More of us need to, I think, since too many men believe low N women are just going to look the other way when it comes to a man's very promiscuous past.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 07:18 PM
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I'm 38, he's 53. We can be this casual because it's what both of us want. We're genuinely content to be very close friends, who also have sex a few times a month. It is a different kind of relationship, yes, but it works!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 06:34 PM
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Ah, are you on mobile or computer? Changing the flair is different. No, I've been in a casual monogamous relationship for 15 years. Some people here don't like that I call it friends with benefits, but it's what he and I prefer so I don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 06:21 PM
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Okay then. 🤷🏼‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 06:18 PM
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Thanks, and yes, that's true. Imo: Low N man > average N man > virgin man, and high N man is waaaaay down at the bottom, not even a plausible option.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 06:18 PM
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Personally bodycount doesn’t matter too much to me within reason, I’d say over 20 would be a no go. Yeah, for me 15 is the highest I can go without ick. What matters more is that we have commitment and ideally he’s had long term serious relationships before and a deal breaker is a history of cheating on any partner. For me, deal breakers are one night stands/hookups and cheating. Longterm relationships are preferable but one or two short term relationships are acceptable. A lot of women virgins/…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 06:15 PM
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Why is it so difficult for you guys to understand the difference between average and high N? Do you really not see a difference between 9 and 50? My argument isn't that low N women are unable to accept that men generally have more sex partners than women. My argument is we don't want sluts. There's a huge difference there. He's a friend with benefits. I'm not marrying him. Hence the fact that I was willing to lower my standards. If I was looking for a committed relationship, I would never be wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 06:10 PM
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Please produce them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 05:57 PM
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I'm his tenth partner, that is nowhere close to being high N. What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 05:53 PM
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Why's that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 05:42 PM
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Yeah, and I agree with you that a small percentage of us do want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 05:34 PM
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Some low n count women do want guy with high n count, Sure, there's a minority of low N women who do want high N men. Similarly, there's some low N men who don't mind a high N woman. They just aren't the majority. because they think that high n count guy is less likely to cheat when he commit because he had he share and now he want to settle, Unfortunately this has been shown to be the opposite case. In general, (obviously not 100%) both men and women with high N have a higher difficulty in bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 05:23 PM
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Except for the fact we get gaslit all the time here, or accused of outright lying or virtue signaling. There was one post a couple months ago where about 12 of us low N women in the comments specifically said "we do not want high N men, and we know other low N women who also don't want high N men". Guys came out of the woodwork to claim we are all outliers. Don't believe it. If a woman is low N, the likelihood she wants a husband, boyfriend, or lover who is a male slut is incredibly small.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 05:08 PM
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But that's not a FWB, that's a fuck buddy. FWB is a casual relationship where the main reason you're together is companionship and the secondary reason is sex. Hence...friends with benefits. Sex is an added benefit, friendship is the core. Yeah, FWB doesn't always lead to marriage. Sometimes it does, there's like 5 people in PPD that it worked out that way for them. But it is uncommon, I'll agree. You're overestimating how important random stranger's "approval" means to the average, normal, ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 04:58 PM
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It's kinda weird how some of the guys here get upset that low N women in general don't want high N men, but are cool with other men saying they don't want high N women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 04:53 PM
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I don't know what a situation ship is... For a minority of women, sure. I'll give you that much. But those are outliers, not the majority of us. If you could offer the average woman sex with the man she lusts after vs 100 likes on her social media, only a small percentage would want the likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 04:42 PM
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And what was that guess based on? FWB is a casual relationship, just not a committed one. Idk what you're referring to by "chill with sex", like what does that mean? Most women aren't asexual or sexually traumatized, the overwhelming majority of us desire sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 04:36 PM
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Uh, why are you pulling random assumptions out of your ass now? How does being in a longterm monogamous casual relationship = sex addict in your mind? I cannot imagine how you reach such a strange conclusion... Yes, most women, including myself, want relationships. We also want sex in those relationships, with said partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 04:30 PM
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Dude, using the women at that sub to represent the rest of us is like using a mgtow forum to represent men as a whole. You're taking the most bitter and hurt people around to make assumptions about everyone else. We have sex with the men we desire because we want to fuck them and be both physically and mentally intimate with them. Again, attention doesn't satisfy one's libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 04:24 PM
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Sorry, but no. Unless she is asexual or has some unresolved sexual trauma, that's wrong for the majority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 04:17 PM
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Lol no. I just confused you with another yellow commenter, so went looking for something I'd thought you'd said previously. There's nothing wrong with videogames either btw, I'm playing a Khajiit mage myself right now. It's interesting how you're a gamer but don't like anime though, we usually have significant overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 03:40 PM
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A woman who gets constant attention and no sex will also be satisfied. Speak for yourself. Attention doesn't relieve horniness or quench the desire to be intensely intimate and loved physically by another person.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 03:35 PM
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Well you should, it'd be better for everyone. It sounds like you haven't watched much yourself, if you believe that. Perhaps you could spend a few hours watching something on Crunchyroll rather than exploring Skyrim.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 03:33 PM
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...huh? It's okay for women to watch anime but not men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 03:15 PM
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Agreed to disagree then. I'd rate him 4/10 hobo lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 03:03 PM
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Not the sweatpants and breathing smoke everywhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:56 PM
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Seriously, can't imagine still wanting to run around after small children at that age. My niece and nephews are all 5 or younger, and while babysitting them, it's is fun but tiring. Doing it 24/7 for years of my life, even at 38 much less 43, is just insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:54 PM
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To preserve the small bit of respect I have for our species, I refuse to believe that anyone cannot plan their life goals to such a staggering degree. Hence, this is now total karma/comment farming imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:27 PM
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I don't. Planning is everything. Or at least give me 24 hours to prepare.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:23 PM
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That sounds like a fun way to express yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:20 PM
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Same, I thought it had randomly started without an announcement lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:19 PM
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...me? Oh wow, um. Thank you 🥹🥹🥹 I usually think my comments are just middle of the line boring and fence sitting lol. I'm blushing fr right now 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:17 PM
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Oh geez...I would watch the first 10 minutes if I wanted to sob my heart out lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:14 PM
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Yeah, thank you! Ya got it. What shows do you wear face jewels at?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:13 PM
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Maybe not the pecs, no. But the scraggly beard, unkept hair, gross cigar, sweatpants, tattoos, general rolled out of bed yesterday and haven't washed in 48 hours look? Definitely seen this in my town.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:02 PM
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You have kids, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:59 PM
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Yeah, I'll agree with that. It's one of the reasons I'm ultimately not a fan of Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, Cinderella, etc because of the happiness = relationship trope. I prefer Brave, where her goal is literally just to prove her own physical abilities and skills, very expressly making known her desire to not get hitched and just enjoy being a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:58 PM
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It's possible that it began to turn me atheist because I already didn't like a lot of the things I was learning in my weekly Bible studies. So instead of thinking of fixing aspects of it, I was getting the inkling that leaving it behind altogether was better for me. I was predominantly raised Roman Catholic and then Jehovah Witness though...if you were in a less rigid version of Christianity, you probably had a different take on things. Like my FWB is Episcopalian and if I was raised that way I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:53 PM
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Okay, but you made a few assumptions about how "my" version of the story would go. That's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:37 PM
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Thank you, kind sir
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:37 PM
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Show a dadbod first, I like the chonky bois
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:36 PM
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Lol he looks like a streetcorner hobo. I'd fully expect to see him dressed exactly as is, reeking of day old tobacco and weed, asking for a 5 so he can buy breakfast at McDonald's.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:36 PM
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I see what you're doing, but that was Universal 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:32 PM
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If you watch anime you are a weeb. Weeaboos don't just watch anime. They pedestalize Japanese pop culture to insane levels and act like they're better than others just for one aspect of their personality. Very cringe. And some other things I can't say because it would be against rules of the sub. Damn dude, tell me how you really feel lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:31 PM
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I was just saying what my wish would have been, I don't care about balls and princes so my fairy godmother wish would have been to have my estate and wealth back so I could live as free and independently as a single woman possibly could back then.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:27 PM
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It was very scary in it's own way but was also the first thing I can recall that made me start questioning religious beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:24 PM
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You have good taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:23 PM
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Yeah, I'm not in the mood to write all that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:12 PM
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Cool story but what's this "you" stuff? Should be saying she/Cinderella, you're not comparing me to El, you're comparing one fictional character to another.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:11 PM
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Lol we could probably make an entire 15 paragraph long post breaking down Disney relationship/character tropes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:09 PM
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Absolutely will agree with you about Prince of Egypt, fucking amazing music.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:05 PM
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TIL that girlfriends = fainting goats
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:04 PM
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Damn, look at that. Another person who likes Treasure Planet, usually I get teased for that one lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:03 PM
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This is truth. Ngl, the soundtrack is a huge part of why Hunchback is my number one. Also, Judge Claude Frollo was legit the first animated representation of an angry religious inc3l...so, there we go, tied it all back to PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:02 PM
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Nah, the simulation just did a temporary reboot.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:50 PM
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Thanks, my dude. What's your favorite?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:49 PM
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Sure, the younger person can be manipulative too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:49 PM
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Ah, no. I've met those people and they are terrifying lol. It's like how I enjoy anime and Japanese/Korean food but am not a weird ass weeaboo. Making ones entire personality dependent on a single hobby or piece of entertainment is sketchy af.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:46 PM
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Soundtracks? Shit...I love musicals, which is what most of them are so that's a difficult question. I can just sing along with 90% of Disney songs and be happy for like a 3 hour car ride. Imma just say my favorite composer who works with Disney and Touchstone is Danny Elfman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:43 PM
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...you capitalized those 2 words, which makes me assume it's an actual Thing. I do not know of this Thing. Does it have a cultural definition?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:40 PM
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My apologies, that's number 12 on my list. Honestly I just really like Disney movies, and cartoons in general, more than live action films. It would take me like an entire day to type out all of them lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:38 PM
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My FWB is an elementary school teacher and he literally had a 5th grade girl fight with him in class about how "schools are trying to take creationism and the truth of a flat earth away from kids so they become sheep". You just know she is parroting what her parents say everyday without actually thinking about the words.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:35 PM
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What's your favorite Disney movies? Mine are: Hunchback of Notre Dame Great Mouse Detective Mulan Tarzan Lilo & Stitch Atlantis: The Lost Empire Treasure Planet Pete's Dragon Nightmare Before Christmas Brave
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:31 PM
1

So what I'm hearing is you're built like a can of Campbell's soup?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:20 PM
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You can. Here is your honorary internet cat and cheezborger. 🐈🍔
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:19 PM
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If I remember correctly he had an objective whereas cinderella was simply surviving, she was a mother to the animals but that's it. I've never heard of Cinderella Man, but she wasn't simply surviving, she was doing her best to keep up with not only her stepsisters and stepmother's constant demands, but also be a one-person superintendent for the entire chateau. After her father died, the stepmother squandered most of the family's wealth spoiling herself and her own daughters. The home was origin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:16 PM
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So ladies do you understand that the system has a vested interest in keeping you single or do you know and just not care? This is such a strange take. Expensive handbags exist so "the system" wants women to remain single and presumably childfree? You ask if we know about this plot, but I'll ask you why should any individual woman care that ridiculously costly purses exist? It's not like the average woman is buying them, or if they are it's maybe one to use at very fancy functions. Like most expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 11:23 AM
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I often think that these essays are written by people who didn't actually sit down and watch the movie from beginning to end. Cinderella doesn't "wait to be saved by a prince", she just wants to be treated like her stepsisters and given the same opportunity to have a night off and go to the ball like every other eligible maiden. She doesn't seek out the prince and it isn't even until afterwards, when the proclamation talking about the glass slipper is posted, that Cinderella even learns who she …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 11:11 AM
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Hot personality traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 10:20 AM
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That's how everyone's life is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 10:18 AM
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This does happen more often than it should
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:38 AM
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Yup! 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:37 AM
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Yeah, you're cool. I was just agreeing with you. Some of these comments are giving me the same vibes as the 40 year old moms going crazy over Justin Bieber when he was 16. Just...nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:03 AM
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I'm honestly very weirded out by this 😒😒😒
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:58 AM
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Fair, but do you really think wooing is inherently the same as pedestalizing? Like, when I do things for my FWB like pay for dates, give small gifts or candy, plan mini vacations, etc I'm not putting him above myself or thinking he's "more" than he actually is. I simply enjoy making my partner happy, which in turn makes me happy and emotionally fulfilled. Pedestalization is when you hold some in such high esteem that it's exaggerated unrealistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:51 AM
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Okay, but how? Like what causes dudes to believe any of the shit they read instead of observing reality and making their own decisions to not pedestalize us?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:42 AM
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How does media?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:13 AM
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Meh, I prefer to do the wooing. More fun and less awkward that way, plus acts of service is my outward love language.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:12 AM
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Also I meant control as in steer him towards behaving in the way she wants. If this involves helping him become a legitimately better person, like gaining confidence in himself or getting over a harmful addiction or learning new skills...okay, sure. I can get behind that since partners are supposed to enhance each other's lives. But it shouldn't just automatically be "the way she wants".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:03 AM
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My best life can't include controlling my partner though
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:39 PM
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Plus its in women's best interest a man in his 30s doesn't know his value and is under her control. Wtf Chance...no.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:36 PM
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Believe it or not, most of the women here are victims of dirty old men that prey on younger (naive) girls Here as in...on PPD? 🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:32 PM
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Plus far less tithing and manipulation involved
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:31 PM
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🤣🤣🤣🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:28 PM
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They aren't human children, but they are mentally similar. So long as they have free reign of the home, are fed food that is both nutritious, stimulating, and delicious, have toys to excite their minds, plenty of exercise, a comfortable place to sleep or be alone when they want, and either another animal or lots of attention from you...that's a very good life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:23 PM
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Oh no. Never. Perish the thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:29 PM
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Yup. Basically like children. Sometimes you have shit parents, sometimes good parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:29 PM
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Lol fair enough. I honestly cannot see any difference in my FWB's over the course of the years.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:28 PM
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I scrolled down and saw. Figured they were just telling a weird joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:18 PM
2

I would totally date a woman with a dick. Penis + tits = best of both worlds.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:15 PM
1

Wait, why do you think someone did that? Did you get reported or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:13 PM
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Nobody likes saggy balls but anyway. I mean...that's just how they always are lol. They aren't round and perky like small tits can be. That's how I came to hate so much the idea that boys are just dummies that "society" indoctrinates as if we don't have minds and desires of our own. That's how I feel whenever someone acts as though a 23-25 year old woman is mentally the same as a 16 year old. Women do try to mold males into whatever they want them to be Yeah, still gross no matter if it's an old…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:08 PM
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So a lot of times the men on that show are basically fucking for a place to stay. Hobosexuals 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:04 PM
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She outright said "because they're easier to boss around". Ugh, that's so fucking gross. This is the kind of shit where I'll agree age gap relationships can potentially be manipulative, abusive, and harmful. I'm in one myself, not inherently against them, they can also be mutually respectful and beneficial, don't come for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 09:29 PM
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more malleable Just my opinion, but this is a creepy thing to say. Like I had a whole huge discussion with a guy here who said one of the benefits of dating a much younger woman was that she's far more mentally malleable and can be molded to fit into your lifestyle. Sounded kinda predatory. Maybe you meant it in a different way? perkier balls ...is this really something you care about? 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 08:43 PM
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I absolutely agree! It's the ones like my stepfather who do want to be in charge 24/7 that you have to watch out for.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 08:39 PM
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Not a good enough reason tho
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 08:07 PM
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Why should she be loyal to a guy who is disloyal to her?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 08:05 PM
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I never went to parties or bars, I was/am a pretty boring woman. I'd use dating apps in their beginning times but mostly asked out guys from class/courses or that I saw on campus. Sometimes dudes from the libraries and comic book shops I frequented. Nowadays I probably wouldn't even download any apps...just use Meetup.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 08:03 PM
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That's so awesome. I also only feel sexual attraction after getting to know a guy, but have no desire to fuck him until then. Makes being horny all the time extremely frustrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:59 PM
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Demisexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:54 PM
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I'm 38, and things have changed in the 15 years since I last dated, and most of my friends are men but they're even older. Honestly, it sounds even more one-sided nowadays for men. Every time I talk to someone younger who's out in the thick of the dating world, I am so glad I don't have to deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:53 PM
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Well fuck, that's unfortunately true. Alright, then I choose dating a guy I don't find attractive since that's my normal life anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:50 PM
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Ah, I'd still go meet my friend lol. But yeah, I getcha
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:49 PM
1

Eve is the ultimate woman, willing to give up the comfort of ignorance for knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:49 PM
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As an atheist who used to be a diehard theist, I can confidently say that getting laid is the closest thing I've ever experienced to divinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:47 PM
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Date a person which finds you attractive, but you don't find them attractive. Would I eventually find him attractive, or never?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:45 PM
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Maybe by now it's "old-fashioned" but I was raised to not flake out on people, whether that's for a date, a job interview, meeting a friend, etc. I'm sorry that the opposite has become typical.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:42 PM
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Not who you were responding to, but in some families/communities, it is still strongly upheld that the man of the house makes literally all important decisions. They aren't the tandem leader or sometimes leader...they are always The Leader. I grew up in a family with this dynamic, and unfortunately, since there was no mutual respect, it was abusive and shit. It doesn't have to be, but often is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:40 PM
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I agree with everything you've said. I find myself wanting to discuss more with you, but since we're in total agreement, it would probably be boring lol. My own degree is in business management, with minors in psychology and biology. Learning about different biological processes, neurochemicals, differences + similarities between the sexes, even some medical knowledge I use during wildlife rehabilitation is my fucking jam.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:19 PM
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I am basically your exact opposite, OP. Raised in a highly conservative and religious household with pretty strict gender roles + went to religious private school until 7th grade. Forced to wear clothes and act in ways that felt extremely unnatural to me as an individual, since I've always been a masculine woman, and in fact would identify as transgender if I was a child nowadays. I do firmly believe that one's gender identity is almost entirely biological, with only a small portion of it being …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:14 PM
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That happens quite naturally, it's called the "women are wonderful" effect. It's quite interesting, give it a look. Yeah, I've been in the manosphere for about 19 years. Might have heard about it once or twice...😏 But I agree that a man should learn to fight that in order to avoid serious disappointment. Absolutely. I'm extremely in favor of being treated as a normal human.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:09 PM
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Dear lord, that fucking sucks. I'm sorry. Despite being a mostly hetero woman, I always prefer traditionally male gender roles for myself. Planning the date, paying, arranging pickup, getting the dude small gifts, doing the initial approach, etc. Gotta say, it was uncommon for a guy to be difficult as you're saying...it certainly happened, but it wasn't the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:03 PM
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Problem is, if she’s not that into you, she wants flexibility in her schedule in case a better option comes up. Ngl, that sounds a bit rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:01 PM
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I would think so. Hopefully that works out for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 06:13 PM
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I mean it's apparently against the feminist policy to recognize biological differences between biological males and biological females I'm not a feminist, and don't follow their ideology. Fwiw, I think most of them aren't terfs and most would agree that cis men are generally physically stronger than cis women. There are some batshit crazy feminists, but I don't think they're the majority...just a loud and obnoxious minority. My question was really regarding Biggest's comment about "good luck fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 06:13 PM
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Ain't nobody got time to idealise women anymore Shouldn't do that anyway, it's dumb and unhealthy. We are just humans like men, no reason to pedestalize or idealize us unrealistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 06:03 PM
1

That's fair. What about having her you give her schedule instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 05:31 PM
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I agree that if someone is raising a pet like that it is not good. But you do realize that many people take far better care of our animal companions right?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 04:31 PM
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How is having animal friends in your life immoral unhealthy and selfish?????
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 04:22 PM
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I mean, probably not with me lol. I am legitimately curious what you meant though. Want to talk through dm?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 04:15 PM
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Are you one of those PETA types who thinks having animal companions/pets is inherently "abusive"?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 04:14 PM
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I can't be that much of an outlier, that's ridiculous. Really isn't difficult to say "hey, I've heard about X restaurant being really good and it's pretty equidistant to our homes/work. I'm available on Tues and Thurs from 6-10 or Sunday anytime. Wanna grab a meal?"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 02:51 PM
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they'll buy pets, treat them like garbage, and excuse themselves from being productive to society that way, and no one dares to call it a mental illness. No...hoarding animals and abusing them/neglecting them is illegal in most places and is usually indicative of some kind of mental illness.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 02:48 PM
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Why are you bothering talking to someone who is apparently incapable of helping to plan a date? She sounds juvenile.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 02:46 PM
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Why wouldn't we?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 02:22 PM
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If a guy can’t come it’s his fault. If by his "fault" you mean the male body just sometimes doesn't cooperate...sure. Although it's not as if the guy in question does not want an orgasm. Typically it is frustrating for both partners and needs to be handled/talked about with compassion and mild understanding of biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 02:10 PM
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Yeah, you were, but you weren't a dick. I'd say something like "that shirt isn't flattering for your body type" in said scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 02:44 AM
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For some of us it's just the more natural way to be period
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 01:37 AM
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I mean, it's not like you said anything inaccurate or false lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 01:34 AM
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Oh, I do think it's controversial and it is the exact opposite of all my own friendships. But it is indeed hot vs the pretty mild ones from OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 11:35 PM
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Now this is a legitimate hot take lol. 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 11:33 PM
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No, women aren't any more or less moral than men, and we don't control morality either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 11:31 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:39 PM
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Are these takes really that hot? Seem fairly mild.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:35 PM
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Why would I care that his preference is for skinnier women? My preference is for plump/chubby men. So long as we're both cool with each other's body type and find it attractive, that shouldn't be a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:33 PM
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No worries, my dude. Skookum is cool with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:29 PM
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This is truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:28 PM
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I guess it's a good thing I prefer average men lol 😏 Imo there's a big difference between put-together vs beautified. Put-together is clean well fitted clothes, clear skin, clean and shiny hair, modest dress code, short clean nails. Beautified is tight clothes, makeup, styled hair, more revealing dress code, long done up nails. I don't do the second part, because it simply is not me. But I'm certainly put-together and don't look like a ragamuffin or hobo.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:27 PM
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Very interesting! Just wondering, and this may not be the case, but do you perhaps act more friendly or confident when wearing makeup, too? I'm curious since people act that way with me, and I don't own any makeup...haven't worn it for the last 21 years. Both women and men brighten up and offer to do minor things for me, or are just very happy to see me. However I've actually been told by a few male strangers that "it's nice to see a woman who smiles and means it". So could it be that you are su…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 09:41 PM
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How much nicer/friendlier would you say, as you mentioned it's significant? Like do people go out of their way to say hello or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 09:32 PM
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I prefer to actually have a dude think my unenhanced body is attractive, not fake things I do to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 07:59 PM
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Right? I haven't ever willingly worn makeup in my life, my face is perfectly fine as-is without a bunch of stuff on it. Still not sure how this supposedly is a disadvantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:56 PM
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In what way do you think that we are disadvantaged by not being able to do makeup and maybe not having the world's best fashion sense? Like what exactly is the harm?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:07 PM
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Are you the gent who has a favorite you've hired more than the others for a number of years?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 03:34 PM
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Just wondering, do you still have FWB or are you more of the volcel/Monk mode kind?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 03:31 PM
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Sure, but you should really be talking to her about what constitutes her social circle, not me. I'm not the one who said I don't leave my home without makeup. I can't accurately discuss that mentality since I don't own any to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 03:28 PM
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That's true and I would never work for a company that forced me to wear makeup. But the person that I responded to specifically said that she only wears makeup outside of her house because of social expectations not because her job requires it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 01:55 PM
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You're welcome, and yeah...if you want to wear makeup because you like the artistic style, and it allows you to show more self-expression, go for it! But if you're doing just because society says so, and it's really not something you enjoy putting on every day...fuck 'em. Your normal face is good as is!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 12:29 PM
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You feel the social pressure when every woman around you wears makeup I agree there is a big expectation for us to use cosmetics, and there is some social pressure to wear it even on a normal, boring day. But why care about it? Like you can acknowledge it exists but also acknowledge it's stupid and just laugh it off. My mom used to make me wear makeup a few times a week when I was 15-17...I hated it, and as soon as I moved out at 17, I left it all to my younger sisters. Am 38 now and have never …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:09 AM
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For example, it's hard to get people to simply admit that they care about what others think. It depends on the topic and the person. Would be more accurate to say "I don't care what random strangers think" or "I don't care what my family thinks, but I care about what my best friend thinks", etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:00 AM
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Scenario B will lead to a healthier, long-lasting relationship. Scenario A will lead to potentially less healthy, short-term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 09:54 AM
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So long as I don't have to look at it ever, it's fine. I used to work at a sex shop, and we'd sell a sex doll maybe once every 3 months. They're very expensive, and helping my coworkers load them into the delivery boxes was a gross combination of uncanny valley and feeling like it was a corpse. I already am kinda creeped out by normal dolls...ones that weigh 150 lbs and look even more human are nightmare fuel. Fleshlights are totally cool, I have a ton of sex toys for myself and my fwb, includin…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 09:49 AM
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I actually enjoy paying for dates, makes me feel useful to be a provider. I've paid for 98% of the "dates" my FWB and I have done over the years.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 11:48 PM
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I tried to be...guess I failed. I did eventually find a wonderful guy though, so it ended up being okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:55 PM
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I've never had any guy I actually went on dates with waited long, they were always gone by date 4. I have a strong feeling it would take me around 2-3 months.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:33 PM
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I'm not, I'm high libido and told them all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:28 PM
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It is the same level of importance as me finding him sexually attractive, so very.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:08 PM
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Are you sure? My guyfriends have all said they're imagining themselves as the guy when watching porn...they aren't watching it to think about another dude getting his own rocks off.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:07 PM
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Ah, that rule rears it's ugly head again lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:05 PM
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No, because I always very expressly told them I did want to eventually have sex, and I paid for every date. Would you spend hundreds of dollars on someone you were rejecting? I'm demisexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:04 PM
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I very much care about a man's sexual history. I would never possibly date anyone with a high N, virgin would be infinitely better
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:56 PM
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I don't think there's a problem, but the guys I tried to date obviously had enough of a problem with it to leave even though I was bending over backwards to show them I was interested in non-sexual ways. It just is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:40 PM
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I'm thinking the discrepancy in our numbers has a lot to do with the times of the studies and our ever increasing usage of phones/tablets.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:38 PM
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If you eat 3 slices of an 8 slice pizza, does that mean you ate the entire pie?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:10 PM
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I agree with that. I've heard from guys who've been point blank asked on a first date how much they make, how much they have in savings, how much his house or car is worth, etc. Imo these kinds of questions just screams out gold-digger.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:07 PM
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Unfortunately you are. Believe me, I wish it wasn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:39 PM
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Q4W who have had casual sex and enjoyed it: What trait did the guy have that made you decide that sex with him would almost certainly be pleasurable?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:39 PM
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Makes sense then.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:36 PM
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Ah. I take it either her sister was truly being a mean-spirited bitch, or she didn't like her sister?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:34 PM
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Lol oddly specific
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:33 PM
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I'd say "not intentionally", because that would be truthful without promising to somehow never make a mistake
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:33 PM
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It's based on articles I've read from around 2015-2018.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:30 PM
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You're an extreme outlier. But it's nice to know men like you are out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:28 PM
2

For how long until you get tired of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:22 PM
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About 31% of women watch porn at least once a week, number goes up if it's 2-3x a week. I don't have the study on me but iirc it jumps to about 50%.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:21 PM
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No, I said watch, not read.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:17 PM
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Eh, since a lot of women watch porn nowadays, it seemed an odd reaction. That's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:12 PM
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Damn, this was some good trolling on your part lol. I was taking you seriously for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:08 PM
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You said you'd raise your eyebrows at a woman who watches porn like a guy, which just seems to be how the average person watches porn, regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:08 PM
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I'm confused about the doe eyes part. What caused that reaction?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:05 PM
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I have to get back to work but I highly recommend asking some questions about how early society, with both men and women obviously working in it, came about. r/historians is an excellent place to start. You have some ideas about men and women throughout history that are inaccurate from an anthropological and historical standpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:04 PM
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I'm assuming this is going to be flaired as Q4M eventually. But to answer your question, the vast majority of men will simply leave after anything from 1-4 dates without sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:00 PM
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I'm not. Simply stating that it is inaccurate to claim that men are "made" but women "just are". If this was true we'd still be living in caves and eating squirrels and berries.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:58 PM
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Dude, it's not that deep. I watch porn a few times every week because it's easier to get myself off with a visual and using it to imagine my guy and I in those positions. That's really all there is to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:55 PM
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Uh, no. It really hasn't. There has never been a single time in all of our species history that either sex, as a whole, could afford to not develop into functional adults. Even today, with all our technology and advancements, the vast overwhelming majority of women and men still need to grow up and get their shit together to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:49 PM
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Cool story. Both sexes still have to grow up and make themselves into adults. It's how life works for everyone, except maybe the people who are generationally wealthier than god.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:43 PM
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Q4M, do you ever get jealous of your partner if she's a multi orgasm woman? We always hear people talk about the orgasm gap of average men vs women who have trouble climaxing. But what about average men vs women who cum frequently and easily?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:38 PM
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None for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:36 PM
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She didn't even though. She was trying to grab the pieces of her husband's skull, and then assisted the agent with getting into the car.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:35 PM
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I don't agree with your representation of biology OR the social aspect lol. The idea of "women just are, men need to be made" is pretty terrible for both sexes. Men and women are both human beings, we both have to grow and learn and develop ourselves as we get older. We both go through puberty, our bodies change, and yes for some of us this is an unwelcome change, for most it is accepted and even desired to an extent. Point is women and men alike are made.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:26 PM
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Correct. I detailed a bit more of it below. I'm not a genetic scientist but I'm extremely interested in this topic, it's amazing how many differences exist in the human body.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:14 PM
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I don't know if it's possible for a pregnant woman's body to just not produce androgens. But if the XY fetus has AIS, or Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, then they will usually develop as females externally but be lacking the internal reproductive organs. It appears this is most often found when an otherwise completely normal looking teenage girl reaches age 14 or 15 without having a period. I'm sure it's a shock to find out you're technically a young man. In even rarer cases, the androgen insen…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:12 PM
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EVERYONE was a girl once. ALL men were once girls, if only for a brief time. This is a common misconception about fetal development. The boy embryo is still a XY, it's not that there's a switch from XX at the 2 month mark.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:57 PM
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That sounds surprisingly accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:55 PM
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Met at a local comic book store that was having an impromptu D&D session. He and I were 2 of the 6 completely random players, and we had amazing banter between our characters. After 3 weeks of meeting each Thursday to play in this campaign, we exchanged numbers and started hanging out at other places. Grab a bite to eat here, go see a movie there, etc. Basically just being good friends. We like almost all the same hobbies, films, and books, plus we're both interested in technology and philosophy…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:54 PM
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My loser dad got my mom because she legitimately was in a rebellious 17 year old phase of life, and thought that dating the 22 year old bad boy alcoholic rock guy was a good idea...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:39 PM
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I agree, but from what I hear, there are not as many multiorgasmic women as one would assume? It actually used to make me feel pretty terrible, that in 1 hour I'd have anything from 4-8 orgasms and the most I've ever been able to give him is 2. And that's been extremely rare...like 3x total in 15 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:35 PM
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Just giving my experience 🤷🏼‍♀️ Some of the guys believed me, but the majority thought I was "just being a cocktease" or withholding sex for...idk, shits and giggles?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:33 PM
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Never tried it, wouldn't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 11:55 AM
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In my experience, men usually think you're lying, especially if you are 19 or older.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 11:53 AM
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Could also be about hitting one's g-spot well (which is just the interior wall of the clit anyway). I can easily orgasm from piv once my muscles are relaxed enough for it, and actually prefer the feeling of having my g-spot stroked...with his dick, fingers, or a toy, doesn't matter...over the feeling of external clit stimulation. Don't get me wrong, clit play does feel great but after one, maybe 2 orgasms from it, the sensitivity is almost painful. Like I need it to be so gentle as to almost not…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 11:51 AM
2

"You go girl", when said seriously rather than as a joke, makes part of my soul die from sheer cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 11:43 AM
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As nice as it would be to have a relatively easy solution (and one I'm strongly in favor of...sex work should absolutely be legalized imo) it most likely wouldn't be the cure-all you think it would be. Even the majority of virgin inc3ls don't use prostitute services, because they want to be wanted by women. They don't want to have to pay for it...this is a point of pride for a decent number of other men too. While it may help some men, like those going through a dating dry spell, it unfortunatel…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 01:39 AM
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I was just describing what my FWB felt the 2 times he tried it. I don't have any other information about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 01:30 AM
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I kinda wonder about how many of us this is true for though? Like yeah in most of us the desire to have sex with a specific individual is based on how we feel towards them, but actual horniness is just...there. It occurs even without anyone else around, without even having sexual thoughts. It's just your genitals being annoying and giving you an unwanted distraction throughout the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 12:30 AM
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Using sex as a reward/punishment system Asks about your finances on first date Treats service workers as lesser beings
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 11:27 PM
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Unfortunately there's about a dozen guys on this sub who claim women in general are
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:04 PM
2

This is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:55 PM
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It does not generate sexual interest Jobs and money don't generate sexual interest for women either though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:36 PM
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But Eulen, don't you know allllll women are demisexual? Y'know, except for the times we meet Chad, and then our demi magically goes away and we hookup 5 minutes later in his car.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 05:16 PM
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It may be worth it to try individuals. Different mentality sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 05:13 PM
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It looks fucking amazing, just watched BanditGames's video.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 04:22 PM
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Same boat, brother. Men who had a hoe phase give me ick too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 04:20 PM
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On average, men are going to respond more favorably to strangers, especially with the idea of actually touching someone. I'm curious though, did you usually approach groups or individuals?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 04:16 PM
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Same here. All my friends are within 2-4 years of their girlfriends and wives, nobody else is even close to the age gap in mine. We really are the rare exception that proves the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 03:08 PM
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So, this is a little weird but I think I was a part of a similar social experiment in college. I was randomly approached by a dude when I was coming out of my 9pm Accounting class, and he was super polite but asked me if I could do something for him. I cautiously said sure, and he just asked me for a hug. And I was like, okay yeah. Afterwards he said I was only the 2nd woman to do so, but 13 guys had. So...same kinda idea? Seeing if strangers were cool with small acts of niceness?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 03:02 PM
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A reddit experiment
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 09:43 AM
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Wait...since when has normal FWB been looked down on more than poly relationships? The only reason I sometimes get looked down on is because of how long I've been in one. If I was only in my 10th month of being a FWB I'm 99% confident nobody would give a shit. FWB isn't misogynistic either, no idea where that's coming from? Poly relationships are definitely looked down on more. The men are consistently called cucks, and the women are consistently called cheaters/sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:57 PM
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Is ghosting less immoral, or even amoral, for women to do because of safety concerns? Unless he is actually showing signs of being dangerous/mentally unstable, I don't think ghosting is moral. In the majority of cases, the guy deserves to know that you're not interested any longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:53 PM
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No worries at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:51 PM
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Nice! Hopefully everything is going well. I'm 38F, 1 casual LTR for 15 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:51 PM
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Only for some!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:50 PM
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And you're free to think that for yourself. It just isn't true for all other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:45 PM
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Ah, so not actually emotionless like a robot
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:38 PM
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Yeah, I don't believe anything of what I wrote above, and in my honest opinion none of it is true. A woman's live is no more inherently fleeting or long lasting than a man's. Sometimes a person will love you temporarily, sometimes they'll love you permanently. Sometimes you lose love due to their actions, sometimes you lose it due to your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:37 PM
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What do you feel in each scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:14 PM
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It's a bitter fucking pill to swallow. Maybe life hasn't forced it down your throat yet. Hang in there long enough. Just curious, do you think I'm a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:13 PM
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Yup, this is true for some.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:09 PM
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You realize I was simply repeating what is frequently said here by a lot of men, yeah?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:00 PM
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Dearheart, I don't believe a single part of what I wrote. Of course sex is a physical urge for everyone, I just don't think it's as totally devoid of emotion for men as some want us to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 07:59 PM
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You understand that this is bullshit, and I don't believe a single word of anything I typed, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 07:56 PM
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Blocking isn't allowed, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 07:54 PM
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You don't have any emotions during sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 07:35 PM
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True for some of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 07:34 PM
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Okay, but why do you care that some people are more cautious than others? The fact I still think the risk is too high for me and I would worry about other people really shouldn't bother you this much. I'm just a random person on a small reddit sub, my decision to not travel like another random person did is so fucking meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 07:29 PM
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Everyone wants to be loved and the fact that women can get that so easily OP isn't talking about love, just sex. They are two entirely different things, especially since the majority of men here believe that men cheating on their wives is not as immoral, as men in general can fuck without feeling any emotion whatsoever. Sex for men is just a physical urge, like pissing. It means nothing other than the woman is a warm body to stick his dick in. He can use whatever sweet words or charisma that's n…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 07:17 PM
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Okay, and? Why do you care so much? Gotta say, it sounds like you work for a hostel agency or backpacking group, with these long ass paragraphs about how safe it is for penniless young adults to just wander around the world, relying on strangers for handouts. Is your profit margin being cut into too much if people become more cautious?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 07:01 PM
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I prefer approaching just as a general matter of course, it is easier to control a situation like striking up a conversation if I'm the initiator. However I know a lot of women prefer being the one who is asked. If they really like or are physically attracted to a man who isn't picking up her social cues, even a normally passive woman would probably approach though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 05:16 PM
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Exactly! I don't need to travel outside my own country to experience many wonders.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 05:06 PM
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I'm not telling anyone to do anything. It's just not a risk I'm personally willing to take, and I'm glad she's not a statistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 05:04 PM
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Yeah, I agree. My comment was replying to Anti, not Deshaun.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 04:58 PM
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I'm from the US and the only other country I've been to is Canada. I recognize that we aren't as dangerous as some other countries, but that doesn't mean we have no human trafficking, serial killers, one off murders of opportunity, rapists, thieves, etc. Yes, I'm glad that didn't happen too. It's rare but obviously does happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:27 PM
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No, I don't. I view society as two sides of a coin. On one side are men's privileges and issues, on the other are women's privileges and issues. They are almost always direct mirrors of each other. Nobody has 100% of their life on easy mode, regardless of which sex they are. People tend to think the grass is greener on the other side, but that's because they aren't seeing the trouble underneath.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:18 PM
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I'm very glad you're okay too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:14 PM
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Thank you for the examples, I appreciate it. well actually compatibility dynamics are never gonna happen if the guy is not attractive enough for the woman to decide they are in a relationship Okay, this does lead me to think the disconnect in our conversation is because of demisexuality. For me, so long as he is not legitimately ugly, like a 4/10 or less, sexual/romantic attraction forms over time due to said compatibility. Regarding the paying on first dates thing, that seems like a very Americ…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:13 PM
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Maybe it's because I'm demi, not sure, but in my experience, compatibility dynamics is a huge part of finding someone attractive in the first place. But it's possible I'm misunderstanding you. Do you have an example besides approaching? For me, I prefer doing the approaching and hate being approached, because 1. I want to be the initiator and have control over the situation at first, and 2. I hate rejecting people. But when I've approached men and they liked it/accepted, it's probably not becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 02:46 PM
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Enough of it happens in the US to still be worried about, even without going abroad. She's incredibly lucky, and I'd be afraid for a young man doing the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 02:34 PM
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I'll halfway agree with this. Imo it's not so much that polar opposites attract, but rather moderates on two sides attract. If they're too different from each other, the relationship will be tense, have misunderstandings, they'll eventually get tired being around each other. If they're only mildly different, it can work out very well because each partner meshes with the personality areas that are lacking/lesser in the other. Like I'm introverted, stoic, reserved, very minimalist and my FWB is ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 02:26 PM
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Now that I'm thinking about it, this person may be one of our literal high school members. I'm not 100% sure. But maybe she thinks it's boring because she isn't "old" like us, Possum 😅 Or maybe she just isn't a nature type. Could be that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 02:05 PM
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Which is fair. I wasn't even specifically thinking of dating, just life in general. Like I'm an introvert too, can spend entire weeks with just me and my pets...hate to say it but the pandemic actually was fantastic for my mental health since it let me not be social without feeling guilty. But I put on an extroverted mask for my career everyday, so I can be financially and professionally successful. Can't really get far in my client-facing fields by saying customers should be able to handle my i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 02:02 PM
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I understand exactly what you mean, and if you want to talk about it privately so your comments don't go crazy, I'm cool with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 01:47 PM
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They are, but you can pretend really well to be the opposite if it helps you accomplish your goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 01:29 PM
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You're not taking care of your mental health in the way that I as the authority on this despite not being a man have deemed as the right way. What is the right way supposed to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 01:20 PM
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Why do you think they're boring? Almost all states have some kind of national forest/park in them, plus cool museums to visit!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 01:16 PM
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Not automatically, they should find a partner who's cool with it. Like I enjoy watching porn, both by myself and with my FWB. One of my sisters and my mom, on the other hand, consider it cheating and wouldn't knowingly allow it from their SOs. My other 2 sisters don't watch porn themselves but don't care if their man does, so long as it doesn't become an issue. So honestly, the best thing to do is discuss one's preferences for things like that before getting serious. That way it's not a matter o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 01:01 PM
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Someone actually already did that, it was a really interesting experiment. I can dm you the link if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:56 PM
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Did you mean to reply to me, or to According?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:55 PM
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Nice 🍻
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:54 PM
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In some people's eyes: Traveling = bad when a woman does it Traveling = good when a man does it https://youtu.be/pgIQtSWQeLU
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:51 PM
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Dude, I wish we were friends irl because this shit is my jam. I sometimes bore my FWB to tears talking about this stuff lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:38 PM
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Absolutely yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:35 PM
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As it also triggers the women in this sub as well. As they do anything to defend that sub and the views women have there. Well...thankfully not all of us. I'd say there's a handful or two of us here who acknowledge the sexism/misandry that particular sub puts out on a daily basis. Honestly it reminds me of a female version of the mgtow forum before it was taken away. I'm sure if you do a gender swap with any random posts between the 2, it would be highly upvoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:32 PM
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That's precisely what I was thinking. Like, I'm so glad that apparently her "guardian angel" is working overtime, but I wonder if she realizes just how incredibly lucky she is to not have been harmed by now. Maybe she has level 100 vetting skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:28 PM
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Most likely!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:26 PM
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It probably depends on where you live. Other than the college towns, I don't see anyone living the party life in my area. If I lived in a city/urban region, I'm sure it would be quite different.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:25 PM
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The chance of men's dating issues being caused only by women now being equal is pretty much non-existent. I didn't read your post, sorry, but I agree with this statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:45 AM
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This is my plan! Sure, it would be cool to see other countries, but the United States is a massive country, especially considering Hawaii and Alaska aren't easy to get to from NY. I've only seen 15 of our 50 states...my goal for retirement is to travel to all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:42 AM
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Well, we are indeed seeing that 2 of those 3 are true for many women...a large amount of us are choosing to be childfree, and a smaller but still statistically significant amount of us are choosing to stay single. You lost me at the sex part though. From the 70s onward, it shows that most women prefer to have multiple lifetime sex partners, not remain virgins or within just 1 relationship forever. Hell, even my demi ass wants to die having had sex with 3-4 lifetime men, just to see what that sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:24 AM
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I've heard that, yeah. I live in rural far upstate NY...like almost Canada...and I make $90k. That's very decent money where I live, not upper class but easy living.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:58 AM
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The fact she was able to pull all these things off safely and successfully, with people who are cool with it? Definitely.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:54 AM
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See? You took care of your doggo friend, so that's already one of my standards lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 04:01 AM
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Most likely, yeah. Not in my little town surrounded by cows and apples lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:55 AM
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Hopefully this information helps someone actually interested in rich dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:46 AM
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Second puberty? Is this a wives tale kind of thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:43 AM
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I mean, you have a dog you presumably take good care of, so you can't be that bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:40 AM
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Love ya, Peace 🫶
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:37 AM
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$300,000 a year??? Jesus Christ, I barely know anyone who even makes half that lol. Okay, so I meet all these standards...where exactly do you go to meet these wealthy men? How do you find them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:35 AM
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Most likely! She's the type of person I'd be happy to listen to about her wild adventures while simultaneously being glad I didn't do it lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:32 AM
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commitment and sex don’t intertwine much for me Same. Sex and love/care intertwine greatly for me, but commitment doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:30 AM
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Oh absolutely! The very idea of getting into a brand new polyamourous relationship in a whole other country without any money of my own, relying on other people for my entire living expenses? Setting up numerous dates in new cities where nobody knows me? Having dates and/or sex with a bunch of new people each time I travel? Uh...that's gonna be a huge, underlined, bold font Nope!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:25 AM
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I was just thinking this too, but I think he means average looking, not that the majority of women even consider living like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 02:59 AM
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That's a good point
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 01:17 AM
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Unfortunately, much like a lot of my own family, some people prefer their feelings instead of science.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 01:17 AM
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Thankfully I don't have to worry about any of those things
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 01:09 AM
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Why do you fight so hard against the basic reality that women on the whole actively desire multiple sex partners? Seems like you're denying it for no reason
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 01:06 AM
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The fact our brains in general are wired to want it. Brains are a biological feature, last I checked.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:55 AM
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Yes, the fact that women are the ones who get bored in long-term cohabitating relationships and are more desirous of sexual variety after just a few years. In many other mammal species, a new mate is found every season. Also an interesting read: https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/arid-30881753.html
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:48 AM
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But that's nonsensical, since you admit that eggs have absolutely nothing to do with libido. Once eggs run out, it doesn't mean the libido stops or desire for sexual variety ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:33 AM
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All of this has nothing do to with what l said about sexual variety for men and women Okay so since we agree eggs vs sperm doesn't have anything to do with wanting sexual variety, what other reasoning do you have? Because it seems most women actually do want sexual variety. It's one of the core issues many men have here, that apparently most modern women with access to birth control and lacking in social stigmas, will typically have a decent number of lifetime partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:12 AM
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I'm not religious, but nature doesn't "design" anything. If a trait isn't harmful or negative towards reproduction, it's not going to be naturally selected against. You could argue that artificial selection (like we do with everything from tomatoes to dogs) is a factor, I suppose. Really not sure why being born with all the eggs we'll ever need in life would have anything to do with libido, since we are a species who has sex whenever we want for fun/intimacy/pleasure. We don't have fertility hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 11:38 PM
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Yeah, I was wondering about that...There's also the fact women can have multiple orgasms without needing to stop the way men have to, and that does actually relate to sex drive, unlike egg production.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 11:10 PM
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"Designed" by who?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 11:08 PM
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eggs run out while semen doesn't This doesn't have anything to do with wanting sex. Infertile men and women still have libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 10:43 PM
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Yeah, I don't tend to think of normal/average/boring/not-unique traits as negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 08:38 PM
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Are you a sadist? Just wondering why you're bringing them up, no judgment. I think it's closer to 90%, based on what friends in the bdsm community have told me. That number goes to about 80% if we include switches like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 05:35 PM
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It's just surprising you never met an outlier, statistically
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 05:18 PM
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Except us "outliers", apparently
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 05:00 PM
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Not a single woman wanted to be the more active one?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:29 PM
1

Holy shit. Thank goodness you're okay, but damn.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:23 PM
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Yeah, it doesn't seem like a fully fleshed out story.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:21 PM
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Boring just means not interesting. If your or my or anyone's hormones are completely normal, that's not exciting or odd data. It's just average statistics at that point, not anything to write home about. Has nothing to do with the person the hormones are currently flowing through and isn't being negative towards them at all. It's not as if I said my FWB had a boring personality...that would indeed be negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:19 PM
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This sounds like either a fanfic or really unsubtle humble brag.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:08 PM
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I didn't? I greatly enjoy our relationship, and think he's a fantastic lover and wonderful friend. My comment said absolutely nothing about our relationship lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:06 PM
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On the contrary, alot of people like that are different around people they like. They make boring small talk with you to conserve energy. I agree with this 💯 Whenever someone who had an intensely extroverted and superiority vibe approached me in high school and college, I'd talk about the most boring shit imaginable to get them to leave. I'd bet my next paycheck that this is what's happening to OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:35 PM
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Exactly this. And just because someone enjoys videogames or Magic tournaments or playing Warhammer doesn't mean it's their entire personality. We still have jobs, friends, family, coworkers...and the overwhelming majority of us are in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:32 PM
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They aren't "more important than I think". I'm well aware they are important and already stated as such. OP in particular just often makes posts again and again that seem like he wants a concrete explanation of why he likes masculine women, and there is no such answer because we haven't yet discovered everything about the human brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:26 PM
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The curse of all demi people lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:21 PM
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Emotionally which makes it physically more comfortable too. This is understandable. Not really. It can be, but not inherently. For me it's inherent, I can't imagine having sex with a man I don't love, since it's a major part of how I process and show such feelings. But I appreciate that everyone is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:10 PM
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Yup. If someone is seriously concerned about their hormonal levels and cycles, a doctor will be able to help them determine if there's an actual issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:08 PM
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It is! Not just for ethical reasons but because it gives people good tasting options that can help with lowering cholesterol and preventing gout.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:06 PM
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I take it you still don’t understand what conflation means? sigh Yes, I do. Look, we do the same thing with terms like “racist” and “homophobe”, I get it. But I don’t play that game. I have no idea what you're referring to here. Grooming is a specific thing and wanting a woman who is easy to get along with is NOT grooming. I agree! Wanting to be with a man or woman who is easy to get along with is, in fact, not grooming in any way! I wanted a man who was easy to get along with...and found him. H…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:03 PM
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Like I said, it's just completely average. Not high, not low, not weirdly fluctuating. Just regular as they should be. People tend to jump to "I must have low T" or "I must have high E" to try and determine why they are consistently attracted to certain body/personality types. But it can literally just be what you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 02:40 PM
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Testosterone levels can vary significantly from person to person and even have a daily cycle. That said, my FWB has always had T levels that are well within the range of completely, almost boringly, average for his age, and he still likes the same kind of women as you do. Hormones are important, but you are still allowed to just be attracted to whomever you're attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 02:28 PM
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I take it you didn't read the article I posted, or took any time to Google "adult grooming".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 02:24 PM
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Not for nothing, but this is my experience in the nerd/gamer community. People are constantly saying our men are losers, can't talk to women, can't get laid, never get into LTRs...yet the majority of them have numerous biological kids, are married or are in very long-term relationships, hell some are divorced and remarried which means they managed to woo at least 2 women. They tend to be better for women who are either also gamers/nerds, meek women who aren't attracted to the obnoxious knuckle-d…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 02:09 PM
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I've never needed birth control, my one lifetime sex partner is vasectomized. I did try using the Pill for 2 months back when I was 19, or maybe 20? (I'm currently 38.) Just to see what it would do to me. The main thing I remember is it fucked up my sense of smell and taste. Not majorly, I just remember people and foods not smelling exactly the same as usual.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:57 PM
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Interesting. So for you it's not a physical representation of your love for your partner? By comfortable, do you mean physically or emotionally?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:53 PM
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Some women have incredibly out of whack hormones. My mom, aunts, and younger sisters have told me about these same kinds of feelings although nothing as bad as what's quoted here. I had a coworker a few years ago who sounded very much like the quoted woman. You could always tell when her period was coming up because she would get very angry about things that normally wouldn't even make her blink an eye. Apparently the hormones right before one's period can make some women extremely irritable, pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:50 PM
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I love visiting Vermont and Pennsylvania, we have just enough different subcultures and products that you basically don't have to go anywhere else. And Canada isn't far either, so planning a day trip isn't overly difficult either. I love living up here. Couldn't get me to move back to urban living if you offered to pay for it lol. Congrats on the retirement home.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:35 PM
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I absolutely agree with you. Trying out different restaurants is one of my favorite things to do on the rare occasion I have free time. Just recently discovered a BBQ place about an hour from me, it actually has a bunch of delicious vegetarian options like Mesquite Roasted Cauliflower, honey coated cornbread, garlic mashed potatoes, corn on the cob with paprika butter, and a black bean burger with a homemade BBQ sauce that is to die for. And of course they have normal BBQ meat stuff, but also do…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:31 PM
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To be fair, that sub is basically misandry central. Listening to most of those women would make anyone think they have no experiences with normal men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:14 PM
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They carry them in the dollar store by me and I swear it's the same box as when they opened 5 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:10 PM
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Could be that they never actually loved you though. Not being mean, it's just that a lot of people lie to get what they want, and it makes more sense that their love didn't actually exist, rather than it suddenly disappearing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:09 PM
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I'm convinced nobody actually eats Necco wafers. They always have a layer of dust on them so thick that the dust mites are one generation away from holding political rallies.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:04 PM
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This is one of the strongest positives about living in rural NY. Even the general stores with basically every other canned/prepackaged food horribly out of date still has fresh daily produce. My local supermarket currently has 11 different types of apples, and I only live 5 miles from not only an orchard but also a microbrewery and vineyard. We may not be an exciting place to live but we got all the best food.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:00 PM
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Lol everyone feels that way sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 12:52 PM
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Eh, a few of the guys here will try to tell women what we don't like, by claiming that we're "virtue signaling" when we talk about finding our partners sexy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 12:28 PM
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Interesting. I couldn't do it, but it's good to know that other people are finding nice relationships even if it's not long-lasting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 11:52 AM
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Short term like hookups or short term like a 5 month long relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 11:47 AM
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I forgot about the people who enjoy both, went back and edited my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 11:33 AM
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What makes casual sex worth pursuing?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 11:32 AM
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Can say I've never had one but they do sound like shit
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 11:25 AM
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Hmmm. Fair enough. My brain doesn't associate hotness to hobbies, but it is a nice relaxing feeling when you find out that the person you like shares hobbies with you. Yeah, unfortunately that's what it's typically from. If a guy had one of those very rare taxidermy businesses preserving grieving people's pets who passed away, it wouldn't be nearly as gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 11:20 AM
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Never mind all these pill colors. The real thing that divides us all is whether someone thinks of sex as something to do as just another fun activity with anyone who wants to bang VS someone who thinks of sex as a very special activity to only share within a LTR. Which one are you? I'm obviously the latter. Edit: I forgot about the 3rd option, the people who like both casual and LTR sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 11:13 AM
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Really? Which ones are which, and what makes them hot? I honestly have no feelings attached to any of them. Taxidermy is when people get dead animals stuffed and preserved so they look alive still, or as a hunting trophy. Think of the creepy deer head stuck up on a wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 11:08 AM
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Depends on how you define single. If you mean someone who isn't married and/or not in a committed dating relationship, then yeah, most redpill men would be single since that's what they usually want to avoid. If you mean they aren't even in casual relationships (fwb, multiple uncommitted gf, purposely short-term relationships) then that would be extremely weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 11:06 AM
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Wtf is a jujube? Is it like a jellybean, or something completely different?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 11:01 AM
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I mean, it's just another hobby imo. It would be like if you asked if it's hot or cringe for a guy to ride a bike or crochet or go camping or play videogames. None of them are hot or cringe...They're all neutral. The only hobbies I find cringe/gross are things like taxidermy or sport hunting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 10:59 AM
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I've never had to from a sexual/romantic relationship. When family members have broken my heart, I cut off contact (temporarily or permanently depending on the reason), take a couple days off from work, stay home and meditate on exactly what my feelings are. Like just take a few hours at a time to go through all 5 stages of grief, with breaks for food and a walk. Really reflect on everything that happened, allow myself to experience the anger, sadness, and finally acceptance. I've found it makes…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 10:53 AM
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Nah, I'd be happy he was improving his writing skills with something cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 10:45 AM
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Neither, it just is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 10:38 AM
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That's fair. And you did say in general, so my individual relationship is just different. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 10:35 AM
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Lots of millennial men and women don't want to get married 🙄 We figured out it's not something we need to be happy, especially when we're childfree. Nice shaming though, good attempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:06 AM
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Okay, this is legitimately the best answer I've seen all week
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:59 AM
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Yeah, that's my point lol. Being a FWB from your 20s into your 30s doesn't mean you have a high or even moderate N, especially when it's to just one guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:32 AM
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Nobody is screaming here, idk what you're on about. There's no need for you to get overly dramatic or emotional. Grooming is not necessarily child abuse. As I pointed out it can happen to people of any age. Yes, obviously no successful man or woman wants a hard-headed partner who hasn't accomplished anything in life. That's common sense. Nobody is against that. There's nothing wrong with becoming a mentor or friend to an ambitious man or woman. Again, nobody is speaking against that. But ambitio…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:14 AM
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So what if the woman is like me, with one sexual partner in her lifetime? Seems to me it's impossible to be a hoe with N of 1, no matter your age.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:00 AM
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The majority of men know that a hoe is different from a friend with benefits And I'm obviously not a fuck buddy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 02:21 AM
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Like what
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 02:18 AM
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I personally do but still just never heard of that weird stereotype
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 02:11 AM
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Damn, I'm glad I never heard of that stereotype before lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 02:07 AM
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...how is someone a hoe for being in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 02:04 AM
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I would suggest that you, and hopefully others, read this. https://www.anncrafttrust.org/signs-of-grooming-in-adults-what-to-watch-out-for/#:~:text=What%20is%20Adult%20Grooming%3F,often%20with%20gifts%20or%20promises. Grooming doesn't only effect children or minors, and isn't always for sexual purposes. It can happen between adults, in both heterosexual and homosexual relationships, and both sexes can be the perpetrators. This isn't anything against men, this is against anyone who specifically l…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:54 AM
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Ah, okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:35 AM
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Dude, you literally wrote about someone finding a "malleable" young woman who they can "conform" to suit their life. That's a huge part of what grooming entails. If my guy ever spoke like that even just barely, or acted like I didn't already have my own life going on as a self-reliant adult in my own right...I would have been gone so fast it'd look like a cartoon. When we initially became FWB, I was 23 and he was 38. Now I'm 38 and he's 53. In all these years, and especially in the first couple,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:34 AM
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Thank you for taking a rational approach, I agree with you about the potential dangers while acknowledging that there's no inherent abuse or unhealthy dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:15 AM
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Idk who he is, but he's facially good looking...although he looks drugged/half asleep, lol. Why do dudes who look like male models always have a slightly concussed stare? Not as much weight as I prefer on men, but not everyone can be pleasantly chonky.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:13 AM
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Yeah, I know since even today some members here will say it about me. I've seen it directed towards the rare few other women in age gap relationships too. I was just curious what OP thought, as it flips their initial post.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:08 AM
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What do you think we are usually getting? Also, are you talking about a real relationship of some kind or a sugar "relationship"?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 11:27 PM
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malleable women who can conform to their lives Speaking as a woman in a longterm age gap relationship where he's 15 years older than me...eww. Seriously, just no. Statements like this are exactly why people are concerned that women like me have been groomed by our non-predatory guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 11:23 PM
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Okay, so hear me out...what about older male/younger female age gap relationships where the woman is the initiator? Or at least the first one of the two to admit she finds him sexually attractive? Also, a man my own age is still stronger than me, so idk what that has to do with anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 11:20 PM
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Because he has said he'd like to have one for the rare occasions I'm not around, and he has free time. It would be difficult because, while I think he's very sexy and attractive, he isn't conventionally so. He's 53 years old, 5'10 and about 50 lbs overweight, with grey hair. He doesn't make much money either (I actually make slightly more) and has a decent amount of debt, so he couldn't get a sugar baby either. He's an elementary school teacher, so there is no significant social status to lean o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 10:09 PM
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Eh, I think it's more sad for my FWB than me. I greatly prefer monogamy and have zero desires to fuck anyone other than him. Whereas I know he'd like to have another FWB, which would be difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 08:13 PM
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That's really interesting! What were some of the hints?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 06:35 PM
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For the guys here who say they specifically act like assholes to "get women"...yeah. I wouldn't have even thought of them as options for casual OR committed
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 05:37 PM
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I'm unsure what you mean? Or do you mean it's weird to be a monogamous FWB? I'll agree with that, but it works for me as an individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 05:05 PM
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Okay, but like...what would you say to her friends/social circle to find out her N? Just ask how many other guys she has introduced them to? How would that help in figuring out possible hookups?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 05:04 PM
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This is so honest and self aware. Thank you, Grid. I think the disconnect for many guys or guys here is they feel like the guy who you commit to “lost.” The other guy “got sex without having to meet standards.” I suppose in my case you could argue this is true to a certain extent, but I'm unsure that any of the standards I have for a committed guys are enough to say he'd be "losing" compared to my FWB. My general standards are all still exactly the same...he has to be empathetic, kind, a gamer/n…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 05:02 PM
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I agree with this
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 04:43 PM
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How would this go, if you weren't friends with her friends and she only posted memes on her social media?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 04:42 PM
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Do you think having a wildly different worldview from others can affect a person’s personal relationships? Oh, absolutely! I'm well aware that I couldn't ever date a very religious person, or someone who relied on/enjoyed hunting, or who was sexist/racist. Like, I simply would never be with someone who had the same values or worldview as my family...it was horrible as a kid, and there's no reason to invite that back into my life after leaving it. I’ve seen people say “you can date and be friends…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 04:32 PM
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You want hetero men to act gay/bi? That sounds like it would just serve to perpetuate stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 02:27 PM
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With how often people move around nowadays, not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 02:26 PM
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...so in other words, it doesn't help hetero men at all. Also, did you type this with speech-to-text?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 02:19 PM
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I'm just surprised by the fact you're so hung up on dictionary definitions, yet are misusing the term ignorant. "lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about a particular thing."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:35 PM
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Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:20 PM
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If you're the type who doesn't want kids and primarily craves new sex partners rather than one constant, steady one...there isn't. Heck, I'm a woman and don't see any incentive for marriage either, so seems we agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:14 PM
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Lol, okay dude. Have a nice life.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:11 PM
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It's really interesting, getting to see these 2 incredibly different viewpoints! It's a win win situation for the wife and for most husbands. She gets security and children provided for, he gets the legacy and sexual exclusivity (assuming she's not a hoe). Most men can't get women, let alone young ones. So they won't cheat, because they have no options. That's one of the reasons it's worth it for them to marry. So in your opinion marriage isn't worth it due to an assumed lack of sex vs the other…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 12:53 PM
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I'm good, thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 12:46 PM
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This is why I always say that any American / Western woman who follows the advice of these red pill dudes when it comes to best strategies on marriage/their best time to get married and their value is fucking herself immensely. That's because redpill ideology is made for men who don't want to get married. It's literally the opposite of what any marriage minded woman should do or listen to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 12:37 PM
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I agree, most men should never get married. It is a losing game for men in 2023. Why's that? I'm curious because a (seemingly blackpill) guy in the preceeding comments said marriage is a positive thing for men, so am curious about your opposite take.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 12:35 PM
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Agree to disagree on everything then. No matter. 🤷🏼‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 12:14 PM
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Thank you! I think it's terrible, this narrative of a literal young adult being inherently dumb, easily manipulated, etc. People here think I was groomed for goodness sake. Nevermind that by the time I was 23 I had just graduated college + been living completely on my own + working 2 jobs + paying my own bills/tuition for 6 damn years...Nope, obviously still a gullible and naive little girl, right? 🙄 It's very creepy, the way they try to infantilize young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 12:08 PM
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But they aren't. I agree, it's curious that he wants to break up over that, but it's just not a fetish Actually, feeder fetishes are well known. So yeah, just because it isn't in the dictionary definition doesn't mean society hasn't recognized that it is indeed a fetish. I'm just saying there's no need to call something X just because we feel it should be X, when it's not X by definition. You don't have to do anything you don't want to. I'm going to continue to call it a fetish if someone can on…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 11:54 AM
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Truth
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:13 AM
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...wow. I'm sorry, Possum
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:12 AM
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Dude, there's so many people on this sub who act as if making $100k is one step above poverty level. It's fucking crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:11 AM
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Not the ones with legitimately delusional standards, no. If they realized it, they'd probably do some self-reflection and change. I don't think most of us are delusional though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:05 AM
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I don't care what other people do with their lives. The only time I care is when they want their own choices to be accepted but insult mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:02 AM
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I don't have a cauldron unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:00 AM
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Why's that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:00 AM
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I'm monogamous unfortunately 🥰
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 11:44 PM
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And I dont even use the toxic parts of Ppd So...you're saying you are illiterate 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 10:54 PM
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More like overt benevolent misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 10:53 PM
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Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 10:52 PM
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Thanks, but I'm just lucky to have a very frugal mindset that allowed me to pay off all my own student loans, credit cards, car loan, etc. If I was like many of my other family members I'd be broke ass in debt still lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 10:51 PM
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All I'm saying is that, if you define it like that, it contradicts saying there are fetishes for body parts and age, cause you can see those, too. I agree with body parts and included it in my initial definition. You can't see age though. There's no way to just look at someone you don't know and tell they are a 18 year old guy vs a 21 year old guy, for example. In reality, yes, there are fetishes for body parts, but no, not for age, race, or weight/height. And if you think age and race should be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 10:49 PM
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Sorry, I will fully admit to having an illogical and automatic bias against southern accents. I have to consciously remind myself that the person is likely not a total mouth-breathing idiot. Southern accents just make me think low IQ. I obviously know it's not true...it's just based on overwhelming experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 10:41 PM
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I've offered to help pay off my guy's...he keeps saying no. Apparently you should be sexing me instead lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 10:22 PM
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That's not helping me understand you. You can also see body parts. So then there're no body-part fetishes? ??? What do you mean? I think you might have misread my comment. I pointed out that fetishes are usually aimed at specific body parts. Like feet and tits are probably the biggest ones. In reality, fetish by definition is attraction to certain body parts, objects, and activities. Yeah, that's what I said already. Not properties. So no such thing as age or race fetish. I know that the diction…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 10:19 PM
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Is that how you define a fetish, huh? Yeah, it's usually in reference to objects or a very specific body part. But if someone literally only attracted to their partner due to knowing said person is specifically 18...I'd definitely call that a fetish. So men who are only attracted to nonfat women have a weight fetish? Nah, because that's actually related to something you can see. Physical and sexual attraction is based primarily on looks so that's normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 09:47 PM
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Meh. Learned it very early in life from my actual family, never expect people to be in your corner. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 09:29 PM
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I just find it easier to not expect commitment, full stop. It's greatly appreciated and obviously reciprocated when it happens but it's never a guarantee
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 09:12 PM
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I guess we just have different social circles and expectations
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 08:53 PM
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You really think someone who is 24 dating someone who is 18 cannot possibly be due to them liking each other...? Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 08:03 PM
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That's why I specifically mentioned the issue of power dynamics vs just liking the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:33 PM
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How dare you make a statement about things numerous people involved in a specific community told you, rather than presenting 6 peer reviewed studies /s
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:14 PM
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I like your username lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:11 PM
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I'm an average woman. These women can have commitment-free sex with many attractive men. I agree that I could have hypothetically spent my youth having commitment sex with many conventionally attractive men. However, I'm an inherently monogamous person and instead spent it having commitment free sex with just one average man. We are not married, we don't live together, we don't share finances, I'm not a part of his family nor he a part of mine, and I pay for all our "dates" since I'm debt free a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:05 PM
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Whoa. I'm going to have to look at that in depth later. Nah, you are definitely treated differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 05:21 PM
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Damn, that's a significant difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 05:13 PM
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My whole OP was that it's ridiculous for the left to think they are the defacto definition makers. Sounds like we agree. We do. Both can't be true and both PL and PC also be true. One must be false. Why? It's entirely possible to call a fetus a baby if one wants to. One can also call a zygote or embryo a baby if that's what they want. All these terms are accurate. Sure, I don't disagree with this, but I'm not PL. PL people would say that's too bad. You don't get to kill your infant because it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 05:13 PM
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Did anyone do a gender swap for that too?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 05:03 PM
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Sure, I'll dm you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:43 PM
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You're quite welcome. Sometimes that will happen, different people will need different amounts of help. I have one guyfriend who I've known for 12 years and he has literally never needed my help for anything, whereas I have another guyfriend who I've known for 8 years, and he has asked me to pet-sit his dogs for free every other month for the last 3 years because he has a routine 4 day work trip. In a healthy relationship of any kind, it's important to remember that everyone's life is gonna have…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:37 PM
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Sure, but the left seems to think they are the defacto end-of-the-line when it comes to definitions. Well, we aren't. 🤷🏼‍♀️ Why should the PC definition that a fetus IS NOT a baby be any more true than the PL definition that a fetus IS a baby? Both are true. Neither term is better or worse. This is where you'd lose the PL crowd. They believe a fetus is a human person with all the rights to life that come with being a human person. Yup, they do believe that, but often to the physical or mental de…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:29 PM
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I don't see most people making up definitions...babies, zygotes, fetuses, and embryos are all terms that have been used for years. They do actually refer to different stages in the fetal development. On the pro-choice side we tend to rely on these medical terms, perhaps more often than needed, in order to combat the forced-birther ideology of calling everything from a just-fertilized egg forward a baby. It would be better, imo, if both sides just called it an unrealized human or potential being.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:18 PM
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I saw that recently and yeah, it was very eye-opening. Some of the responses were quite cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:06 PM
2

Sure, I agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:03 PM
5

I'm cool with calling a fetus a baby while still being pro-choice. It doesn't change the situation at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:56 PM
4

A woman's toys are a man's ally, not his competitor. Amen! Also, the reverse applies too. My FWB and I enjoy using toys for men, for women, and for both of us. They're just tools made to give either more or different pleasure, not something that is a total replacement within a sexual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:55 PM
2

Hmmm. If you're not meeting them it will be a bit more difficult, since you won't be seeing how they act around each other. But you should be able to tell based on how she talks about them. Is she respectful and caring when she refers to them? Does she mention times she went out of her way to help them out, either with an emergency or at an inconvenient time? When she talks about their vacations or meals out, who does she say pays and plans it? Have you ever heard her discussing the fact she nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:44 PM
2

Okay
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:48 PM
4

Doubtful, most people in my region learned how to drive at 15 or 16. Remember that rural life is very different than urban life
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:36 PM
8

Well duh, lol. But people do grow up and having a relationship with someone who is 5 or 6 years older/younger when they return from college or the military isn't uncommon
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:13 PM
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Because sometimes rural neighborhood friend groups have wide age ranges. With the "pack" I played and explored with, we had kids ranging from age 9 all the way to 16, and sometimes we could even convince the juniors and seniors to accompany us into the woods or hills so our parents wouldn't freak out about us getting lost. I was usually one of the older kids and you just watch out for the younger ones...the parents are gonna tell you to bring them with you anyway lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 12:55 PM
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Because sometimes you grow up together and share the same friendship group as kids, then reconnect when you come back from college. Because sometimes people struggle in life and don't easily reach the typical milestones that society assumes, while someone else goes above and beyond expectations. Because sometimes you work together and hit it off when you meet someone who just has a great personality who clicks with yours. Because sometimes your family are already close generational friends, so i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 12:13 PM
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Why? Not being snarky, honestly wondering since it's still fairly close in age and not at all weird to have such friendships in a small town. If someone lives in a city with high population density and more than 3 colleges...yeah, that might be a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 11:52 AM
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Eh, I'm going to go against the grain here and say that as long as everyone is of legal consenting age and wants to date/fuck, then there is no inherent problem with age gaps. Both people should be aware of the potential for power dynamic inequalities and consciously combat any that may occur, but there's no reason that such a relationship can't be good for both people. Now, if someone is only attracted to women or men who are 18-19 years old, as in they have an actual age fetish and would dump …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 11:40 AM
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Question for women over 35: What do you think of this type of behavior? I think that literally nothing you wrote in your post describes an orbiter, so long as the woman is reciprocating those behaviors. My friends currently are all men, and nearly all of them are married + have young children. We have deep conversations, eat meals together after going to the movies as a group, have cookouts/BBQs, go to week long game or comic book conventions, and share the same hotel room to save money. I will …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 10:40 AM
1

Thank you, I do my best to be
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 12:35 AM
1

If one is in a happy and equitable relationship, then yes. Even on days when one is tired, hungry, stressed, etc if you have a man or woman in your life who you truly love and loves you back, I don't believe that sex with them could ever be considered dull. It may not always be spectacular, but it will always be good.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:48 PM
2

I would totally hang with you irl
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:05 PM
1

What's your secret? For sex...possibly the fact my only sex partner doesn't live with me, so when he and I do have time for sex it's always highly appreciated and anticipated. Whether it's a 15 minute quickie fuck or an amazing 2 hour long lovemaking session, it is wonderful 100% of the time. I find that anything in this life can be dull. That's part of life. Really? Anything? Even things you normally enjoy like sex, food, videogames, books, and hobbies? I can honestly say that while I do find s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 09:22 PM
1

I only have it about 5x a month unfortunately, so probably never gonna happen lol. Not a bad problem to have...?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:31 PM
1

I guess I'm just lucky to have never experienced this then. In my personal experience, being told that sex can be dull is like being told chocolate cake can taste like raw beef.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 07:36 PM
2

Hell, if they're a woman I'd say they might need a checkup too
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 07:06 PM
1

Sex is one of those weird things that can be dull at times Why have it at that time if it's dull? How is it made dull in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 07:05 PM
2

Sure, if there was no feelings of pleasure and/or intimacy and love that we create in each other via sex, it's highly unlikely anyone would do it. But that's because it would probably not just be neutral, but actually unenjoyable and even potentially painful. So since in reality it is generally pleasurable and intimate...it's not stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 06:59 PM
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Question 4 Women: Has PPD and TRP made you less trustful of men or dislike them? Nope! I just want to know what the women here think or am I reading into your comments and reactions too much? I think you are, but only because this is a sub with a lot of hurt people on it and the lashing out you're seeing isn't directed at you personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 06:56 PM
1

I don't see many women shaming men who prefer low N over dick size, but rather sexual abilities in general. There certainly are some women who bring up size, and that's not kind imo, but on average it seems most comments are related to how good he is in bed vs how big his member is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 05:58 PM
1

Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 05:56 PM
1

I mean he's different because a lot of guys will assume that she's fucking other men unless they've had an exclusivity discussion. The fact he doesn't make any assumptions on whether he's her only sex partner or not sets him apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 05:55 PM
1

For example, valuing X trait in a partner or oneself. Like how one could say the average woman values a man who has a decent job, and the average man values a woman who looks good.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 04:47 PM
2

Lol. Y'know what, these definitions would explain soooo many conversations here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 04:43 PM
2

True! I will agree with them that you do need to go out to meet women usually though. Apps only help so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 04:43 PM
3

I looked up this guy...sounds like he's a 25 year old serial dater? The photo of him isn't ugly or handsome, so he does look like an average dude. Actually reminds me a lot of one kid I went to high school with who was constantly high. Right down to wearing a knit cap lol. He's apparently a "furniture designer"? Doesn't immediately strike me as an exciting job but idk, maybe it is to some fashion-forward people. What do you think of him?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 03:50 PM
1

Are you of a similar personality type?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 03:40 PM
1

By who?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 03:39 PM
3

Even when they're specifically talking about values or personality traits...? Doesn't seem like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 03:38 PM
1

And that's fair! And there may be more nowadays with the whole advent of social media...or it might mean introverted, non social media using women are even more difficult to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 03:35 PM
2

Oh I admit it's not the most terrible thing, but still seems cruel to waste unsuspecting men's and women's time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 03:30 PM
1

Which one is your favorite?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 03:16 PM
2

What are the men like us counted as? Those were generally the kind of men I dated as an average woman, so I think they were average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:52 PM
3

That's what I'm wondering...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:51 PM
1

If you're into lore heavy single player fantasy RPGs...yes, I think it's still a good franchise to get into. The most recent one was DragonAge Inquisition which I believe released in 2015, and the newest one, Dreadwolf, is a direct sequel and will be out either sometime late this year or more likely 2024.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:51 PM
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In having so many discussions with men here, it seems the default concept of "average woman" is the type who is extroverted, enjoys partying/clubbing, has a constant busy social calendar, lots of friends, enjoys the limelight and attention of others, and is just generally a social butterfly. I can't relate to this kind of lifestyle, since it's the opposite of my own. How many of us women here are homebody, introverted, quiet, kinda loner or solitude loving types? If there's a bunch of us, could …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:43 PM
8

We should all stand up for each other, it's not realistic to have a constant one way street.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:36 PM
1

Fuck yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:21 PM
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Hmmm. I don't have an absolute favorite, but I'd say the DragonAge franchise. I love fantasy settings, and it is very satisfying to have my male Qunari mage rain fireballs and lightning down on my enemies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:21 PM
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It doesn't help that many Nice Guys<sup>TM</sup> automatically assume that if a woman is in a relationship then the man she's with is inherently a "bad boy", despite him being a genuinely good, nice, kind, and empathetic human being. If everyone with a penis except for you is a "bad boy", it makes your difficulties with dating easier to swallow since you can virtue signal to yourself all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:19 PM
0

Hmmm. I'm not able to look it up right now, but I thought a recent study found a cheat rate of closer to 35% and 29%.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:14 PM
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I don't think all of us are like that, even as high schoolers and college age. Could be because I'm autistic, or maybe because I have an introverted/quiet loving personality, but pretty sure other women like me are also overwhelmed and undesiring of so much constant attention. It sounds like it may be fun for party going girls, or extroverted women, the kind of personality who enjoy going to clubs or on lots of dates with exciting new people. It seems like less to do with looks and more to do wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:13 PM
1

Sounds pretty overwhelming and pointless ngl
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:02 PM
1

Your experience with women is different than a lot of men here
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 12:59 PM
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How does meeting a 6 ft tall Chad at a birthday party or a club and sleeping with him on the same night ensure commitment? It doesn't, that would be really fucking stupid lol while nothing in life is 100% guaranteed, one of the aforementioned scenarios is definitely more reliable when it comes to securing commitment. Not really. People cheat a lot more than you think
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 12:57 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 12:29 PM
1

...you do know you're talking to a woman who's been a FWB for the last 15 years, right? Believe me, I'm well aware that some of us are cool with it 😂😂😂 What I'm asking is if you automatically assume non-monogamy without that conversation? Or if it's been 3 years without her ever asking what you are, do you start to believe she's only fucking you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 12:29 PM
1

Right...so as I said, if neither of you ever asks "what are we" do you just assume both of you are fucking other people? Even if it's been a couple years?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:43 AM
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That's really awesome and I'm glad it helped your friend. I've had private conversations with some of the guys here in the same way, and have been told that it doesn't matter, that as men they just don't have the same emotional spectrum as women so getting their "feeeeeelings" hurt isn't even possible. Thankfully this is only a very small amount of guys but it does make me wonder if they, as individuals, truly don't have as many emotions or if they've just gotten so used to pretending they don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:42 AM
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Okay, so this probably shows my lack of knowledge with current dating apps, but I've never been on tinder. When I was still dating 15-18 years ago, I used Match, okcupid, and plenty of fish...not sure if they work the exact same as tinder? How do you know each right swipe was going to be a match? On the other apps I mentioned, it wasn't always a match for me so am wondering if it has changed or algorithms are different now?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:36 AM
2

And was it a helpful conversation, or did you walk away frustrated
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:31 AM
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I'd think that they'd split it, honestly. Not a big deal for both people to pony up $25
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:31 AM
2

Have you ever tried talking to them about this, as a man to man conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:29 AM
2

Are brunches really that common where you live? In my area of rural NY, even just saying you're "going to brunch" makes people think you're a snooty, better-than-you mentality city chick.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:27 AM
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What do you think of the men who say that men don't have the same kind of emotions/feelings as women? Internalized misandry?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:24 AM
1

That is ideal, but its still hits much more if you can do it yourself. How did it hit harder for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:20 AM
1

Unfortunately I'm pretty confident it's true. Stopped being desperate for that by age 20. It's easier to live without that desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:04 AM
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I will say if you can establish with these men that you are not a dating prospect for them first in some manner that will allow you to be much less restricted with your support. Will note that being older than them, even if only by 5 or 6 years, helps greatly with this. Due to my job, my clientele is about 98% male, ages 22-40. Some of those younger guys have jokingly started calling me "mom" because I openly care about them, ask how they've been, lend them a few bucks for food, give them life a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:00 AM
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Yeah, no. Most definitely not bf/gf. Maybe some other language has a word for it. I'm guessing Germany does, they have words for everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 10:39 AM
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I don't believe any of my parents actually love me, so gonna say it's doubtful. Thankfully there's probably more families out there who have healthy, loving dynamics than ones like mine. Otherwise society would have completely disintegrated by now lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 10:38 AM
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Lol I didn't even have a life "filled with social outings" in my 20s, I'm certainly not going to have one in my late 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 10:34 AM
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I have often wondered what it's like but think it's kinda unethical. It's a social experiment, sure, but you're knowingly wasting other people's time and playing with their emotions. I'd rather go through the messages of someone who already has a real account.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 10:28 AM
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Not the person you were talking to, but in my experience parental love is very far from unconditional. My own mother...the only one of my 4 parents who didn't abuse my body in some way, and the only one I still talk to...has openly said that if my siblings or myself ever committed actual horrible crimes, we'd be dead to her and she wouldn't love us anymore. It's probably different for some people, but in my life unconditional love has never existed. It's for the best though, as it's a ridiculous…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 10:25 AM
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Eh, maybe. There isn't a word for such a thing, at least that I know of in English, so FWB is still how he and I prefer to refer to it. We're very close friends who have sex a few times a month...if you know of a different term that FWB for that, I'd consider it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 10:16 AM
2

Totally get that mindset. When I was younger, the same thing would go through my mind regarding dudes. Self-esteem is something many people are lacking as young adults, gotta actively work on creating it in your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 10:13 AM
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In my opinion, FWB is just a casual sexual relationship rather than a committed sexual relationship. The biggest difference besides lack of cohabitation is lack of family involvement...like if I was his longterm girlfriend, I'd fully expect to be invited to family gatherings and asked my opinion on certain family decisions. Since we're FWB, I typically don't attend such things, nor do I ever expect to be invited except as just another regular friend of his. I mean, being friends with someone is …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 10:10 AM
2

Have you ever thought you may have gone too far in your joking around playing around with your friends? Nah, never have. Strangers accidentally, but I know my friends very well and wouldn't make jokes that made them uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 09:48 AM
0

In general, I think so too
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 09:45 AM
1

He has said he loves me, so I imagine it's the same kind of platonic + sexual love. Not sure if there is a name for that as it's somewhat contradictory. Maybe? I've never been in a romantic relationship before so have no basis for comparison. I've asked him what the difference would be for him, and he said the biggest difference would be if we were romantically involved he'd have an active expectation of monogamy from me VS he can't ask me to be as a FWB. I'm naturally monogamous so it ends up b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 09:45 AM
1

I don't think I could, since there's so many different topics involved. Like the difference between divorced mgtow vs inc3ls vs plate spinning red pillers vs married redpill tradcons vs...you get my point. The manosphere is too big to accurately summarize imo other than "many men are unhappy". I'm 38, and have been in a monogamous FWB relationship since I was 23. He was/is also my only sex partner in life so far...obviously haven't needed to date for quite a while. Dating life unfortunately didn…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 09:38 AM
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Yeah, I wouldn't have started having sex with him if I didn't love him first. I don't know if it's romantic love, but it's love of some kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 09:26 AM
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The sub you referenced is full of misandric women tho
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 09:25 AM
2

I've been involved in the manosphere at large since discovering it at 19. Figured since I've already spent almost 20 years reading/discussing such topics it would be silly to stop now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 09:24 AM
3

How did it show anything about hypergamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 09:22 AM
1

If it's exactly how things are now and have been, I choose option 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 09:20 AM
-1

How does a ceremony ensure commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 09:18 AM
2

From personal experience, this is an excellent way to stay a virgin for a long time lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 09:15 AM
4

How do you determine exclusivity if neither of you ever asks?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 09:11 AM
4

Why are you making such an unrealistic dichotomy? u/Equivalent-Disk4107 why do you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:56 PM
2

Y'know what, I believe it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:51 PM
4

How many other men do you believe think like you? As in, do you believe most men assume an automatic lie if they see any person stating "no hookups"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:41 PM
0

I don't know how you were able to walk away with all your brain cells intact lol. That kind of mental gymnastics is 10/10 Olympic gold
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:39 PM
4

Re: your other reply... Do you count inuendos and banter/sex jokes too?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:33 PM
1

Wtf is wrong with them
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:31 PM
4

When I put it in my bio, I meant it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:21 PM
2

Ugh, I hope not
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:14 PM
6

I just hate the whole "women lie about not wanting hookups...here's one example, it's evidence of all of you being liars!" It's not fair to do to women, and it's not fair to do to men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:11 PM
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Exactly, all of these are good examples of double standards that need to be discussed and eliminated if we're ever going to become a more egalitarian society.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:04 PM
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Many women need to stop upholding traditional gender roles for men while simultaneously breaking down traditional gender roles for women. Either we will progress together or we'll go stagnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 05:35 PM
-2

True lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 05:32 PM
4

Okay, so that (presumably real, but looks like a possible r/badfaketexts) person said no hookups in her bio but is potentially down for one if the guy has a big dick. So what? It's not as if she is a representative of all women everywhere, or that we all agree with her doing so. I personally am against hookups, although I think people have the right to do what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 05:30 PM
10

Let's consider a 25 year old woman who has a N of 1 and is actively seeking a husband. She's no longer a virgin, but why is the automatic assumption that her one previous partner was a hookup?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 04:57 PM
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Those that want low n's generally have lower n's themselves. In general, yes. The same holds true for women...those of us who are low N don't want a high N man. Sexual values are important to a lot of people. I also don't think that many guys really or realistically are dead set on virgins. Not many, no. And a fair amount of the ones that do, want it for fetishized or religious reasons. Those that want relationships (most guys) really do prefer that you haven't fucked a bunch of other men. Why i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 04:51 PM
10

Willow, type 304 into a calculator and turn it upside down.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 04:47 PM
1

Quiet, you'll accidentally summon MatPat
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 03:44 PM
2

This is the thing that kills me about a lot of women. Fine, you allegedly didn't slut it up. Ok, say that's true. Alright, so the woman in question is low N, or at least not high/is an average number. What is the incentive of committing into a "serious" longterm monogamous relationship with you? Why? Most people get into longterm relationships, whether casual or committed, in order to have a close companion and sexual partner to share a significant amount of their lives with. There needs to be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 03:43 PM
1

Maybe...? The hormonal fluctuations take place over a specific time frame, though. Or do you just mean like how some women get more emotional and upset on their periods specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 02:50 PM
4

"You're a hypocrite if you do x but don't want a partner that does x" I've always taken it to mean values, not biological traits. For example, you're a hypocrite if you cheat but don't want a partner that cheats on you. Or you're a hypocrite if you piss away your paycheck on frivolous things but want your partner to be frugal and pay the mandatory bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 02:47 PM
2

Lol "menstrual situation"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 02:41 PM
2

I can say that if I had tiktok and it came across my feed, I wouldn't type anything. I'd just scroll past, because I don't find morbid obesity attractive but also don't think the poster needs to hear about her health for the 37th time that day.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 02:40 PM
5

Right? I wouldn't date a man who has sex with other men or women for a job, because I don't want a partner who is able to view sex as a mere performance/entertainment. Same reason I wouldn't date a high N man, or a guy who's only body count comes from hookups instead of LTRs. If he doesn't view sex as something special and reserved for intimate lovers, then our values are too different for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 02:35 PM
1

Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with wide hips being seen as more potentially beneficial to pregnancy, or that having a decent amount of resources is a trait many women (and some men) look for in a mate. I agree that we're still homo sapiens, we're not a new species yet. But we simply are not physically the same as we were 40,000 years ago. It's just a fact. Our bodies have gotten smaller, we've lost hair follicles, our brains have shrunk in general size while simultaneously growing more of a prefront…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:25 AM
1

I agree that we haven't gotten rid of many basic instincts. For example, our minds, ears, and eyes are still primed to look for patterns and immediately jump to conclusions of "danger!" to protect us. It's why we see rabbits in clouds and Jesus in grilled cheese sandwiches lol. But we just aren't the same exact people as we were 40,000 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 10:48 AM
1

Like many aspects of life our brains have not yet caught up with the modern world. We are still cavemen and women. Homo sapiens have been our own species for 300,000 years. The "caveman" days, where we primarily relied on hunter/gatherer food acquisition, was the era of 40,000 - 10,000 years ago. Agriculture emerged approximately 9,000 - 5,000 years ago, where we actively began cultivating and breeding our food sources. We made cattle fatter, fruits and vegetables fleshier, gradually removed tox…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 12:34 AM
2

Unfortunately that's how it goes sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 10:14 PM
2

Eh, I don't know about that. If a man is legitimately ugly...like think Ron Jeremy level of unattractive...I can't imagine wanting to have such physically unfortunate children. Yeah they'd be provided for but their lives will be plagued by unfairness and the horn effect. Why would you consciously fuck up your offspring's life?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 09:07 PM
4

What do you mean by don't care?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 08:05 PM
7

What do you think an honest answer looks like?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 08:05 PM
2

I am not turned on by money at all, it might even be a negative because someone with that kind of wealth disparity from me might not really have much in common with me. Precisely this. I'm middle class currently, grew up in an upper middle class family. I would never date any man who made significantly more than me, it just wouldn't be a good dynamic. Like I make about $90k...a guy who makes $120k would be my absolute financial limit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 08:01 PM
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Lol I wish we had that kind of power!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 07:53 PM
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I saw, thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 06:59 PM
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The secret truth is that women can smell lack of experience on a man How?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 06:01 PM
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Honestly speaking though, I do feel like most relationships probably would benefit from having separate living spaces that way people don't feel so suffocated and entrapped by the situation. Unfortunately the housing situation in the US would have to change drastically. I find it strange you label your relationship as a 'FWB' relationship Why? That's what we are, and always have been. Just because it's long lasting doesn't mean it's not a completely casual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 05:36 PM
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How is it not unreasonable for someone to have a count that high unless he's a sex worker or perpetual slut sugar boy? Like how do you have time to do normal things like work and go to college and spend time with your friends and family?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 05:33 PM
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Nope. We aren't allowed to link to specific comments to avoid witchhunting. But if you look at usually the mid to bottom ranked comments of most N count posts, you'll find them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 05:17 PM
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I agree that's what they think, but I don't see how it could be physically possible. Like let's say there's a small town and it has a population of 10,000 heterosexual adults ages 18-30. 50% men, 50% women...5000 and 5000. 20% of the men are Chads, that's 1,000 men. And let's say about 20% of the women aren't Chad chasers, so that's 1,000 women who aren't fucking Chad. How on earth are 1,000 men supposed to have the time to fuck 4,000 women? Do they not have jobs, or friends, or families? No hob…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 04:28 PM
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Speaking purely from my personal experience: Men need to initiate, whether this be the first message on a dating app or asking a girl out on a date I don't enjoy being asked out, rejecting people feels terrible and I prefer being the rejected one if that's how it'll go. So about 90% of the time I was the one doing the pursuing. Men need to further the conversation, aka dance like a monkey and make the girl laugh If this is necessary, it was always the last date. Men need to plan the date, have s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 04:13 PM
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I totally get that a man in my position would raise some questions. But if he's otherwise put together, takes care of himself, has aspirations, healthy relationships with friends and family, would being an adult with no real relationship experience be a deal breaker? Nope, not a deal breaker or even a yellow flag, much less a red one. I had a ton of trouble dating, trying to find a steady, committed boyfriend to hopefully share all aspects of my life with. In fact, I never did lol. But yeah, by …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 03:57 PM
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Lol damn...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 03:47 PM
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Okay, this is finally phrased in a way that makes sense. Yes, women get more positive and negative attention from men than men get from women. It means as a whole women have more dating options actively presented to us and we have more harassment and assault actively directed on us. In my idea of a perfect world, men and women alike would have the same amount of positive attention and the amount of assault would be zero. Is that the answer you wanted?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 03:12 PM
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I don't know what exactly you're asking here. It sounds like you're trying to skirt around an actual question...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 02:16 PM
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They claim it's all Chad...which is also mathematically impossible if there's truly only 20% or less of the male population that fulfills said requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 02:14 PM
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A bunch of dudes here have said they think the average woman has a N of over 60 by the time they're 25 but the average man of the same age only has a N of 2 or 3. If they genuinely believe these extremes...well, it means they think most people are lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 01:30 PM
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I never heard of that 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 01:12 PM
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I got a dick video from my guy last week, that was very hot. But yeah, other ones are just blah.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 01:11 PM
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Nooooo...then I'd have to look at it too lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 01:10 PM
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Nah, like I said, he's boring and more than a little odd. He does seem to be expecting a different response than what I say, but idk what that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 01:09 PM
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...sigh. I don't know how to handle these things. I'll just block him right after he sends it then.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 12:50 PM
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Yeah, well, it's boring. I told him it's too big and dangly, and blocked him. But not before he tried to convince me that he and all of his very straight, definitely no homo, American male friends constantly send these kinds of pictures to each other. 🙄 And that men in general send dick pics to other straight men all the time...which, no. They most definitely aren't lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 12:36 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 12:26 PM
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I mean, I don't enjoy it or not enjoy it. It's like getting a picture of an elbow or chin or any other random body part. Doesn't do anything for me since it's not attached to my fwb. He's dumb as hell though, since he always asks what I think and I tell him it's ridiculous looking, not attractive. Then he goes off about "body shaming" and "other women like it" and "its the best size". Like I couldn't give fewer fucks if I actively tried, dude. Go send it to women who think large dicks look nice …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 12:26 PM
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Stir fry. Get some firm tofu, water chestnuts, baby corn, broccoli, garlic, carrots, honey...delicious with brown rice.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 12:17 PM
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Ugh, just got a dick pic from someone here. Pretty sure it's just the same guy making different accounts, sending them every month. You'd think my telling him it's an unattractive member would make him stop...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 12:11 PM
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This is one of the reasons I think never living with my FWB has made our relationship last so long. Although we talk on the phone everyday, we only physically see each other once or twice a week. Granted, part of it is being demi, but I still only want him even 15 years later...I have no lust for anyone else. I'm confident that this is partially due to a lack of cohabitation. A lot of women, and men too, in longterm committed relationships will talk about how they begin to see their spouse in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 11:50 AM
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Damn, you know a bunch of really lackluster and lazy women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 06:14 PM
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Well, not lifelong but otherwise true for me lol What do you think about men and women who don't start dating until late college
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 05:36 PM
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And before 25 we have more realistic expectations?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 04:57 PM
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(You and I know that, but unless you claim to be a minority with these things, you'll get accused of gaslighting or virtue signaling for women as a whole.)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 12:01 PM
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Lol, fair enough. No, we haven't tried pegging, but we do use smaller anal toys on each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 03:11 AM
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Depends on who you ask 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 12:45 AM
1

Thanks, this has given me a lot to listen to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 12:40 AM
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I consider FWB a casual, rather than committed, relationship. The main difference is that it's inherently temporary/never meant to be permanent and you don't go to family gatherings/work parties as a couple. You're still friends at the end of the day, not dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 12:39 AM
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Yup!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 12:01 AM
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The great thing about relationships is you can build them to suite you and whoever agrees 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:57 PM
1

Dogs are better than humans, so yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:44 PM
1

That's totally fair!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:43 PM
1

Like pictures of me? Nope. I don't do social media myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:43 PM
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It's really fantastic if you; Don't want kids. Don't want to cohabitate. Don't want to share finances. Don't want to spend time with each other's family. Just want a very close friend and companion who you enjoy sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:42 PM
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Well, some of us do, even if we're an extreme minority
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:40 PM
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He doesn't, and says he hasn't since we began having sex. Since he's a social butterfly and constantly posting where he is and what he's doing on Facebook and Snapchat, I believe him lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:24 PM
2

No shame in that, takes all kinds. Any reason for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:20 PM
2

A bunch of people on PPD act like having a sex/relationship partner who is more than 5 years older is almost inherently problematic or manipulative. So... I'm in a healthy, longterm, age gap relationship. Ask me anything. I'll answer honestly as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:16 PM
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You don't think there's any outlier men and women who don't dream of meeting someone who is totally unrealistic, and just go through life assuming they'll find a relatively average-looking-but-good partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:07 PM
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So only below and above average women don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:05 PM
3

First?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:01 PM
1

Okay, so I gave my definition of an "adult child". What is your definition of one?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:04 PM
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To be clear, what percentage of women do you think honestly go through life thinking this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 07:23 PM
1

i repeated because i think it explains it It doesn't. biases (treating as someone lower in hierarchy) and lack of specific physical intimacy, sex in general Okay...this seems like an incomplete sentence, but I believe treating one's partner as lower in a hierarchy is inherently bad, and I don't think a healthy relationship lacks sex (unless both partners agree to it). what do u think difference between adult child and partner is? When I hear "adult child" it makes me think of an adult who is men…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 05:21 PM
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I'm not trying to be difficult, but repeating the same exact words doesn't actually explain anything. Let's try this: What's the difference between a regular adult vs an "adult child"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:50 PM
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Lol oh shit...that's a real book?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:19 PM
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Most redpillers aren’t really conservative or traditional—those groups tend to teach men how to treat a lady, not have sex until marriage, earn enough money to support a family. They don’t use dating apps, meeting through community and church is still very popular. Yup, exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:11 PM
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so...instead of giving love to children who require shit ton of work you swapped for a someone who understands you better, doesn't require shit ton of work and can give back Correct. A partner. someone like an adult child who understood what parents made for them I don't know what you mean by an "adult child"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:10 PM
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Most people are not attracted to overweight people. The data doesn’t lie. I agree with you, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 03:01 PM
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If someone doesn't want children doesn't that mean that she's not that much into giving love, which would make it (a bit) contradictory to OP statement about contributing to relationship? No, it doesn't mean that man or woman is "not that much into giving love". It means that we understand the sheer amount of responsibility, commitment, care, discipline, and yes...love for a child specifically...that goes into the successful raising of one's offspring. It is nearly 2 decades of your life spent m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 03:00 PM
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A comment that's both concise and true.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:49 PM
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Honestly, those of us who like thicc or fat men need to learn early in life that we're going to be mocked or seen as very weird for our weight preference. It sounds like you may be young? Unfortunately a lot of younger women haven't yet developed the fine art of Not Giving A Fuck What Other People Think.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:48 PM
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Nice to see you didn't read anything else...🙄 Why do I care about having a "link to the future"? There's nothing so incredibly special or unique or amazing about me as an individual that I should force myself to undergo the terrifying and nightmarish body horror and mental torture that is pregnancy for me. Why but myself through something that would mentally and physically scar me for the rest of my one life to live, just so my very average genes get forced into one more generation? It's nonsens…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:01 PM
1

You're awesome, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 01:57 PM
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Unfortunately people who reproduce don't inherently have a stake in the future, there's a large amount of shit parents out there who don't even care if their children are doing well as adults, much less loving and caring for them as younglings. On the other hand, people who don't reproduce don't inherently have no stake in the future. We still generally have younger family members like cousins, nieces, nephews + friends who have kids that we care about. For example, I'm not going to ever reprodu…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 01:56 PM
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Hey, if you're not allowed to post I'd be super interested in getting a link.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 01:50 PM
2

Damn. Where do you live? The rural South US (or hell, even parts of the rural north)?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 01:49 PM
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I have the kind of muscle where if I don’t wear multiple jackets to work all of the Caucasians around me get VISIBLY uneasy. ...what? Why would they get "visibly uneasy" just because you have muscles?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 01:44 PM
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Oh yes. Very "gross" to decide to not have kids lol. We're absolutely revolting, might as well live in a dumpster and roll in trash. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 01:40 PM
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What's the point? Sounds horrible - someone who you desire but can't fulfill the entire purpose of a LTR. Not everyone in the world shares your pedestalization of reproduction. That's why childfree LTRs can work extremely well if both the man and woman don't want children.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 12:07 PM
1

Are you both red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 12:05 PM
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Truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:14 AM
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Are you maybe demisexual? There's about 10 of us on this sub who are, as far as I've been able to count. 6 women (self included) and 4 men. It's essentially being asexual/not feeling lust for an individual until after you've created a strong emotional connection. We often begin learning our sexuality is different because friends or classmates will point out "sexy" celebrities or talk about "wanting to fuck that random hot guy/gal"...and we're confused because how the hell can you want to fuck a …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:13 AM
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This description fits me, which is surprising, as fitting gender roles isn't something I can be accused of. It's probably because the traits he listed above aren't gender roles, it's just traits of a good partner who's only interested in LTR. The description fits me too, and I'm not traditional in the least lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 10:51 AM
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It works if both people are childfree. If one of them wants kids, then it can't survive in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 10:48 AM
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Except a lot of red pillers also say "enjoy the decline" and actively speak against getting married. Some are mgtow of course, but even red pillers who aren't a part of that specific ideology are typically not in favor of involving the government in their relationships. And some of them are childfree too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 10:42 AM
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Yeah, I'm introverted, kinda closed off/stoic, definitely have high N disgust, not neurotic about diseases but I've never had one and don't want to have reason to worry about it, and am the least impulsive person I know. Like, to the point I use a 1 minute sandtimer to force myself to make a decision during boardgames lol. Indeed! It really does sound like some people would benefit from taking a break from living together, even just a couple days a month. I'm fairly confident this is why the lus…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 12:51 AM
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I say this because while some bi people are perfectly happy not experiencing homosexual sex, either is just as good, some seem to need/miss it to a very strong degree and all the roleplaying in the world isn't going to turn you into a guy, strap on or not. This is true, but he's not one of these men. You say you are interested in sexually adventurous but that tends to be counter to low N. How? You can do a huge amount of sexual activities with just yourself and your partner. Yeah, you won't be h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 12:33 AM
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Your thesaurus is broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 12:22 AM
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I'm glad you and your partner found something that works for you. I am trying for a lifetime N of 3, maybe 4 at most 😅 Different strokes for different folks!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 12:22 AM
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Eunuchs aren't vasectomized, they're totally neutered. It's a very different surgery and I honestly don't know if any doctor would do the latter unless it's for testicular cancer. ...what does the LGBTQ have to do with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 12:20 AM
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Uh huh...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 12:16 AM
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