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Speaking of the author, being male and dying, you should really read this snippet of info about him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_de_Brito#Personal_life
/r/MensRights16/09/18 02:06 AM
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Because men want women far more than women want men. It's that simple.
/r/MGTOW18/07/18 08:05 AM
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But, here’s the problem: A lot of women don’t put across the vibe that they even want a man to be romantic. I have had many a conversation with women who are completely unapproachable and closed off We all understand that people are walking on eggshells these days. I can’t scroll through Facebook for 5 minutes without seeing a woman complaining about a guy who hit on her, or winked at her, or complimented her the wrong way in Starbucks. What happens is, kind, good-hearted men start to get the id…
/r/MGTOW27/05/18 02:49 AM
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If this becomes a trend, then maybe feminists will start to oppose title IX You've got that part totally wrong. They will oppose men being able to file under title IX, and want to legislate it exclusively for their own use.
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 01:05 AM
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If the girl is over 22, she will go out with any good-looking guy, no matter how old the guy is, since she doesn't check his age. That part isn't a mistake. The mistake is that if she's under 22, she won't go out with anyone.
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 01:01 AM
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Absolutely! Not only do they not count it, it doesn't even register to them. In other words, any contribution the man makes is simply taken for granted.
/r/MGTOW18/05/18 06:15 AM
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Another career 20+ year STEM here. If I were in your shoes today this is what I would do: Finish college. Concentrate on your studies. Forget about the women until later, when they don't have the capacity to get you expelled just based on their mood. Get a good job. Save money. Buy an affordable house or apartment. Don't waste money on frivolous things like an expensive phone plan or a girlfriend. Don't date anyone at work who could get you blacklisted or fired. Keep working that job (or another…
/r/MGTOW12/05/18 08:13 AM
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That's not really correct. Women on average don't have anywhere near the sex drive that men do, on average. This has been proven by multiple studies. However, what sex drive women do have burns bright and fast in their late teens and twenties. People think "the wall" is when women's attractiveness fades - but that's only half of it - the other half is that their sex drive plummets too. In fact, I would conjecture that the sex drive dying is what causes them to ignore their appearance, and not th…
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 10:30 PM
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It's pretty much dead simple - men are more interested in women than women are interested in men. Men will, by and large, take what they can get and pursue women. Women will, by and large, reject men until one comes along that is "good enough" for them. Hence the laundry list for women because they are choosing, not chasing. Once you understand that men want sex a lot more than women (on average) then everything else makes sense.
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 11:28 AM
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WTF is a "meta-study"? It's telling that the authors are all from biosciences and none come from any of the disciplines they draw out like IT. Also, looking the paper itself, it seems that none of the authors seemed to actually ask anyone in those disciplines anything about it, but instead chose to jump to the conclusion: numbers => discrimination, shitlord.
/r/MensRights27/04/18 11:17 AM
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You can see my other post on this page which is relevant. Related to that Mattel has a very blinkered and myopic view that they are in the plastic toy business. They're not. They're in the entertaining children business. If they realized that then maybe they wouldn't be tanking in the same way that Kodak did by pretending that they were in the film business.
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 07:14 AM
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They thought it was such a brilliant idea to suck up to the feminists by making fat, SJW and ethnic Barbies. They got so much free press from the feminist dominated media. What a great idea! ... only thing is that feminists don't tend to buy Barbies for their daughters. Not even diverse Barbies. Mattel didn't seem to understand that.
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 01:13 AM
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/u/jpin86 it's abundantly clear from your post and replies that you think it's all about you. That only what you want matters. That the guy has no expectations and you have no moral obligation to meet them - who gives a shit about him right? Let me make this simple: the problem here is you and your selfish attitude.
/r/MensRights26/04/18 06:19 AM
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Why?
/r/MensRights26/04/18 06:09 AM
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Yeah they think exactly that: https://www.boredpanda.com/rape-consent-explanation-leannicole/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4290336/Graduate-24-CLEARED-raping-university-student.html https://youtu.be/7Qv-swaYWL0 The bit from 4:20 onwards is very relevant. https://thetab.com/2015/05/22/are-we-too-quick-to-call-sex-we-regret-sexual-assault-39444 There's even a wiktionary page about it https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/regret_rape And even a book! https://www.amazon.com/Regret-Rape-Reality-R…
/r/MensRights26/04/18 06:04 AM
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Not really. The work itself involves many hours of working just with a computer or other scientific equipment. Sure there may be meetings etc but most of the time is solitary. So even if 3 women are sitting side by side sooner rather than later they will get bored with the work and likely quit. The way to get more girls into STEM is to make it less like, well STEM. If you could make a program by talking in a group then you would find more women wanting to do it. In fact, we already see this - in…
/r/MensRights21/04/18 04:09 AM
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Those instructions should also be written by a lawyer, because they understand how the courts think. Absolutely! I would take that as a given, but in case it wasn't clear to anyone reading - definitely get a good lawyer with experience in estate matters to write this up. And if they say it isn't necessary, then find another lawyer.
/r/MGTOW21/04/18 04:04 AM
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More like she stopped having sex with him after they got home from the honeymoon.
/r/MGTOW13/04/18 11:14 AM
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That's the truth of it.
/r/MGTOW13/04/18 11:13 AM
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This is more common than you think. In some countries, a divorced spouse can still contest the will - and win! The advice I got was to both: always leave them something substantial, and write explicit instructions to the judge in the will why you are leaving them a smaller amount. Basically you cannot stop certain people from contesting your will. And if your will is contested, then you need to provide clear instructions to the judge as to why you did what you did, and leave them thinking "well …
/r/MGTOW13/04/18 11:11 AM
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There's no way it's the husband.
/r/MGTOW10/04/18 11:38 AM
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By "not socially acceptable" I think you mean that women don't like to hear it. I'm not sure why saying "I find you attractive and I would like to sleep with you" is a turn off, but to most women it is. You have to come at it from an oblique tactic. It's almost as if women don't actually like sex until they are slowly and delicately "warmed up" and bribed first.
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 02:18 AM
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It's more like there is no clear path to sex, no matter what you try. Like there is a clear path of what you need to do in order to pass an exam for example. Which exposes all this advice about what to do to win the girl and win sex as total BS. All the advice is just a gamble.
/r/MensRights09/04/18 02:12 AM
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Right. But they also don't earn sex if they refuse to pay (cause the woman thinks they are cheap etc). So, whether you pay for dinner or not doesn't actually matter - you're not earning sex either way!
/r/MensRights08/04/18 03:47 AM
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Balsinger says. “They want to talk to a pretty girl. Girls are offering their time and conversation.” Yeah pretty much.
/r/MGTOW08/04/18 03:34 AM
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"would do anything for anyone" Bullshit.
/r/MGTOW08/04/18 12:33 AM
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I'm confused. I thought feminists were against slut-shaming?
/r/MensRights29/03/18 04:32 AM
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Sorry if this sounds harsh, but that is the result of SJWs bending over backwards to be overly accommodating to migrants from other cultures. Just look at europe - they are having exactly the same problem as you. SJWs lobbied to open the floodgates to millions of "refugees" (i.e. economic migrants) from the middle east and africa. Now those immigrants are forming ghettos, raping, stealing etc. And they are above the law because the SJWs bleat "they don't understand!". When a govt makes its own c…
/r/MensRights03/03/18 06:11 AM
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If you haven't seen the story, on a cold UK winter's day they did an outdoor photo shoot. All the men were rugged up while Lawrence wore a plunging gown in the cold. Feminists cried "sexism! misogyny!" Now Lawrence has hit back at her feminist "supporters". Her full facebook post: Wow. I don't really know where to get started on this "Jennifer Lawrence wearing a revealing dress in the cold" controversy. This is not only utterly ridiculous, I am extremely offended. That Versace dress was fabulous…
/r/MGTOW21/02/18 11:06 PM
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Women are expected to ... serve the gaze of those who’ll judge whether they are marketable or not. I don't suppose it occurs to her that this is what a film actually is - an audience gazing at marketable people on a screen?
/r/MensRights16/02/18 03:13 AM
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And how do they propose to keep the population going?
/r/MGTOW10/02/18 12:59 AM
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Why deal with the possibility of being hung out to dry over nonsense when you can walk away and into another job before the door closes behind you? Because I don't think any other company that he goes to will be much better.
/r/MGTOW10/02/18 12:58 AM
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Right, so you're saying that you all have targets painted on your backs now. I can understand that. If this is the case, surely this can't be just an isolated incident for the company? You said it will be hell daily now that the main guy has quit. Reading between the lines it sounds like your company was not so great to start with, if your whole team is quitting over this incident. I'm just kind of curious to know if the company has been pushing you guys for a while and this is the straw that br…
/r/MGTOW08/02/18 02:33 AM
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So then why are 3 of you quitting? Forgive me if I don't understand, but it seems pretty mild on the scale of what could happen to you at the next company you jump ship to?
/r/MGTOW08/02/18 01:23 AM
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Maybe I'm missing something here? I get the story but it seems like an overreaction for 3 guys to quit over a baseless complaint that the company said it was not going to pursue anyway? Or has trouble been brewing for a while?
/r/MGTOW07/02/18 11:35 PM
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'But you wouldn't and couldn't, without a huge amount of resources, completely download a phone and trawl through it all.' I know something of this field, and that statement is just plain rubbish. Common sense would tell you that the boy/man who's accused would obviously bring up their own phone and other social media messages to claim innocence very early on in the process. So the real story is that the prosecution is most likely trying to ignore this evidence - until they can't.
/r/MGTOW03/02/18 11:12 PM
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How many feminist SJWs actually watch F1? Or any motorsport for that matter?
/r/MGTOW03/02/18 10:27 PM
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A wise poet said "girls don't like boys, girls like cars and money"
/r/MGTOW19/01/18 10:47 AM
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Learn this very carefully: work is for work only. Sure you can have friends and so on, but they are your friends and you are at least a little safer expressing your thoughts with them. (But still don't overassume your familiarity - they are co-workers first and friends second - especially members of the opposite sex.) But for other people who are not your friends - mind your own damn business. Lest you get fired, blackmarked, accused of something, or even all 3. The google guy found this out the…
/r/MGTOW19/01/18 03:02 AM
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I'm surprised more hasn't be said about this already, but document everything. I know you said you were saving your pics as evidence, but make backups, and then make backups of those backups and hide them off-site somewhere. Write down a very detailed timeline of events. At every event marker give a full description of what happened and list the evidence that supports the event. Do this all now. Save it. Copy it in case of loss or theft. Leave no stone unturned, make sure you get every scrap of …
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 10:11 PM
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I just asked google. Got something like 5-7% IIRC.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 04:36 AM
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Relax a little and join us in a civil manner. Be open to other and they will be open to you. Actually I want to really commend you for saying this. Thank you. It's so easy when we see something we disagree with to defensively shout out "you're wrong! you lack perspective! end of story!", which achieves nothing but getting the other person's defenses up too.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 04:19 AM
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I never said anything about it being combat related. Still, AFAIK all types of PTSD are way less than 10% of the general population. Unless you are talking about college snowflakes, which would be about 90% of 60% female population + maybe 30% of 40% male population = 67%, at a guess :)
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 04:18 AM
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What if I'm smarter than you and I know what I'm talking about? What if you're not? You haven't cited any credentials or any facts. On the other hand, I have a PhD in a science discipline. I can recognize that statistics are rarely absolute, but still can show valid trends and patterns.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 03:17 AM
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Anyway, you're wrong and you lack perspective, end of story. On what basis? You have not presented any data. In my experience a lot of women identify as an F type because they think it's more feminine. Your personal experience is insignificant compared to hard data.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 03:15 AM
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Now what do you think the incidence of PTSD is amongst the general population? And how do you account for the 90+% rest of the population?
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 03:05 AM
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https://archive.is/28ESr
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 02:28 AM
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Where did I say anything about T and F being absolute by gender? And where did I say anything about any of the F types not being cool? Edit: you talk about not gendering MBTI, but I'm just sharing what the data already shows. And if the data shows skews by gender, then maybe you should accept that perhaps those tendencies actually exist?
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 01:48 AM
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I had exactly the same experience with a woman co-founder. I was happy to do all the tech stuff as long as she does the business development stuff. She agreed. Then did nothing except repeatedly poke holes in my idea (as in, she contributed nothing to the idea), with no offer to find any solutions to fix those holes. I mean, it's a startup - of course there are holes - what did you expect?! It's your job to find solutions!! I'm living really frugally saving my money for a time when the company w…
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 12:33 AM
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I find that very offensive... to cats.
/r/MGTOW31/12/17 03:12 AM
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I'd say it's mostly women watching this. I don't know any men who care enough about what an actor is wearing/saying to sit through 4 hours of total utter boredom like this. Which means to say, unlikely there will a drop in ratings, cause its a mostly women (and perhaps gay men) audience anyway. Which further means to say, it's becoming a "safe space" for left-wing liberal artsy wimmens.
/r/MensRights30/12/17 12:15 AM
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Liam Allan: Criminology student alleges convictions are chased 'like sales targets' So basically up until now the cops were happy and willing to pervert the course of justice? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverting_the_course_of_justice
/r/MensRights27/12/17 04:03 AM
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Exactly. It's feminist women desperately seeking outrage that don't understand the difference.
/r/MensRights24/12/17 02:45 AM
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Why? If it's just work and you're MGTOW then - do your work, talk about only work, and then leave. Don't assume that you can accurately pick out who will be your friend or not.
/r/MGTOW23/12/17 01:03 AM
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wat? it’s just hard to break this deep friendship. she would not trust me and think I can be a potential rapist/assaulter sickens me. You're not her friend. It's that simple. Maybe you should call yourself an acquaintance if that makes it clearer to you.
/r/MensRights29/11/17 09:29 PM
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Yeah I was going to say this - feminism is not about choice at all. It is about "approved" choices only.
/r/MensRights13/11/17 01:43 AM
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Umm no. Paul Elam is a self-appointed volunteer activist within the movement. He has no official "appointment" or sanction, in the same way that a feminist academic does for example. In any case, I don't see why Paul Elam is touted as so toxic. The vast majority of toxic statements attributed to him are taken completely out of context and twisted completely, as per the "bash a violent bitch month" example. I disagree with 95% of the actions of the modern feminist movement, that is not at all the…
/r/MensRights13/11/17 01:41 AM
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Sorry to break it to you, but this was a very dumb idea on your gf's part to begin with. There is a gambling and investment saying "only risk what you are willing to lose". If she was not willing to take a fail, she should not have enrolled in this course to begin with - that outcome was pretty much guaranteed from the outset. Since you say it's too late to drop the course and it will be considered a fail, it sounds to me like she will fail no matter what she does. Even if she tows the feminist …
/r/MensRights13/11/17 01:33 AM
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Only if Paul Elam was truly representative of the majority of MRAs. By your own admission you disagree with 95% of the modern feminist movement - that sounds very representative to me. Imagine if a politician was able to get 95% support - that would be more than a landslide - it would be an avalanche.
/r/MensRights13/11/17 01:27 AM
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By the dictionary definition, I am a feminist; I believe in equal treatment of the sexes. I just disagree with 95% of what the modern feminist movement does. To paraphrase Forrest Gump: "feminism is as feminists do"
/r/MensRights13/11/17 12:19 AM
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Axiom of her argument: Men's lives are of no value while women's lives are of great value. That's the only way her argument makes sense. That is the cornerstone of much of society, e.g. war deaths throughout all of history.
/r/MensRights13/11/17 12:14 AM
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Most people give much more credence to academics I am an academic. Science and facts should win in academia, right? There should be open debate, right? But as you have correctly pointed out it doesn't exist in the feminist area. Now, why do you suppose that is? I don't think I'm arguing against you here. I think we believe in broadly the same ideas. But your arguments seem to suggest "it's not my fault!" on the part of those indoctrinated into feminism (i.e. victim mentality again). I'm suggesti…
/r/MensRights12/11/17 07:14 AM
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She genuinely believes in it. Of course she does. Hence I said that feminism and close-mindedness go hand in hand. When feminist Cassie Jaye decided to "meet her enemies" as she puts it, the result was The Red Pill movie. The vast majority are being manipulated and don't know any better. Edit: how do you think this is even possible? How is it possible to lie to so many people for so long and have them genuinely believe it, when so much counterpoint information is available literally at your fing…
/r/MensRights12/11/17 05:42 AM
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It's not because she's a feminist. It is because she's a feminist. Actually that's not necessarily 100% true. There is an extremely strong correlation between feminism and not being open to debate, logic or other points of view. Whether feminism causes close-mindedness, or whether close-mindedness causes feminism is up for debate. Just be aware that they are highly correlated with each other. Ask yourself this - do you think that your mom etc deliberately lied to you? Or do you think that they g…
/r/MensRights12/11/17 05:02 AM
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You may well be rejected by the last one also.
/r/MensRights29/10/17 08:51 AM
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It frequently amazes me how willfully ignorant and stupid people can be (i.e. the author of the linked article). There is a very simple reason for this - rejection by girls and women is near-universal now. Going back 50-100 years it used to be that women were much more open to interest expressed by men, but now the initial rejection rate that most boys and men experience is near to 100%. Why do men and boys persist in the face of initial rejection? Because it's the only thing that works. If you …
/r/MensRights29/10/17 12:03 AM
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Since she's a self-identified feminist and obviously has heard the opinions of many other college feminists, what happens if you trigger her during the date or she does not like something you say? Does it become a regret date for her? Does your asking her out retroactively become sexual harassment? I'm not trolling here BTW, these are legitimate questions because if it ends badly I can almost guarantee you one or more of her feminist friends will be trying to convince her that these things actua…
/r/MensRights27/10/17 03:47 AM
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This is an AMA thread and "give me some things to ask/say" thread You can ask her: What do you think about the ease with which college women can falsely accuse college men of rape, such as in the Mattress girl case and the UVA Rolling Stone fabricated article? What do you think of the universities zealous efforts to expel such accused men even in the face of significant exculpatory evidence and/or denial of due process? What do you think of universities refusal to follow Betsy DeVos' recent Titl…
/r/MensRights27/10/17 12:34 AM
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If you get stuck behind a paywall: https://archive.is/yU1Us
/r/MGTOW09/10/17 12:38 AM
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If you get stuck behind a paywall: https://archive.is/yU1Us
/r/MensRights09/10/17 12:38 AM
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This will bite you in the end. Say in 10 years you've become successful and moved on. If you're still married on paper she will show up on your doorstep one day and demand half your stuff - and she will be entitled to it. Where I live you have to be separated for a year before filing for divorce anyway. So see her off at the airport, then go directly to a lawyer and file some paperwork to show she has left you. File for divorce a year later. You could probably claim abandonment if she does not s…
/r/MGTOW30/09/17 11:18 PM
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I've heard many stories like this, and many more where the man professed his undying love only to be completely rejected. I've come to the conclusion that women are just not interested in men to the same extent that men are interested in women (on average). It's just that simple.
/r/MGTOW30/09/17 11:02 PM
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This is rubbish. My dad did his CS studies in the sixties as part of the physics dept. It may be true that CS was not a formal discipline more than 50 years ago, but it was mostly part of math or physics instead. Also take another look at her CV. Her work experience starts in 2002, not 1960. And she really doesn't look like a 70 yr old at all.
/r/MGTOW09/09/17 09:41 AM
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Not a new story, it happened a while ago. But media seems to be picking it up again now. It made the main article of the front page for a while: https://archive.is/GMbMT
/r/MensRights31/08/17 09:16 AM
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It's much simpler than you think. Women (all women) want you to convince them that you are a nice guy and they should like you. That's all that romance is.
/r/MGTOW07/08/17 03:04 AM
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Update The Gizmodo page now has a reply from their new "VP of diversity". The reply essentially starts with: And like many of you, I found that it advanced incorrect assumptions about gender. I’m not going to link to it here as it’s not a viewpoint that I or this company endorses, promotes or encourages. So they have already proven his point for him - if you have a different point of view then we will shut you down.
/r/MensRights07/08/17 02:34 AM
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There is one reason, and one reason only why women are generally not represented in STEM: they simply don't want to do the work. I have a lot of experience both teaching STEM and doing it. This is overwhelmingly true. And my colleagues all report the same.
/r/MGTOW28/07/17 03:31 AM
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More bullshit misinformation. That I can see it says nothing of the sort about likelihood of getting funding. It only points out that a majority of funded companies had no women on the team. This is like saying that because there are fewer women in STEM overall, then women are less likely to get jobs in the industry - which we all know is total bullshit. The same thing was pointed out the linked "other discussion" thread. Edit: take a look at the authors - all women, not a single one with any so…
/r/MGTOW27/07/17 05:17 AM
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I think mods delete comments when someone make a generalization of a group, whether it is feminists or MRAs. They say that, but enforce it much more zealously for comments against feminists IMO. if you say "some feminists believe all men should die" , this comment will not be deleted. Not really. The way its enforced makes it really, really pedantic and tedious to post many comments. It becomes quite tedious to add such qualifiers for every single post again and again. It's especially tedious an…
/r/MensRights17/07/17 04:26 AM
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I used to post there a bit. Now I don't bother much - sometimes I will post or repost a news link and just let other people talk about it. The mods of femra debates practice a pretty tight feminist censorship loop. If you demonstrate/point out ways in which feminists are bad your comment gets deleted and you get suspended for a while. It's a really common criticism of the sub and the mods are fully aware of it but they keep doing it anyway. It's not much of a "debate" if one side has its hand ti…
/r/MensRights17/07/17 02:58 AM
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they would go on the defensive and stop listening They will do that anyway no matter what she says :/
/r/MensRights02/07/17 10:49 PM
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Relevant: https://youtu.be/05ro6fcj6Ek
/r/MensRights02/07/17 10:47 PM
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If you go down this route, one thing I would warn you about is that the feminists will instantly claim any statistics you present are false. You will need to be prepared for this - make sure your stats are rock solid and you present several different studies. And they still won't believe you. It makes a good segue to my thread with you above though "did you know that 40% of DV victims are men, and in non-reciprocal DV 70% of the perps are women?" "Don't believe me? I wonder why that is? Let's ta…
/r/MensRights02/07/17 11:00 AM
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You're very welcome. I want to come back to another comment in your earlier reply: two staunch feminists got so triggered by it. One said, "I've heard so many horrible comments already (she's transgender), so I don't really want to hear any more". This is really the same reaction as the Sunrise interview - they admitted they had not seen the film and despite this they automatically jumped to an extremely negative opinion about it. This might be a topic that you want to cover - why feminists jump…
/r/MensRights02/07/17 10:45 AM
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Relevant: https://blog.interviewing.io/we-built-voice-modulation-to-mask-gender-in-technical-interviews-heres-what-happened/
/r/PussyPassDenied02/07/17 09:31 AM
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Relevant: https://blog.interviewing.io/we-built-voice-modulation-to-mask-gender-in-technical-interviews-heres-what-happened/
/r/MensRights02/07/17 09:30 AM
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Funny thing is, as soon as I said "it looks into men's rights", she immediately jumped to the conclusion that it would be anti-women. Yeah funny that. It's almost* as if men are not allowed to have their own rights or issues. it's not "almost" like that - it's exactly like that. If you choose to pursue the censorship route, there is a lot of press coverage for the film here: http://theredpillmovie.com/press/ (scroll down to bad and ugly) Also you might want to look into the "Sunrise" interview t…
/r/MensRights02/07/17 09:28 AM
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If you're going to talk about rape and you're talking to schoolkids, you could talk about college in terms of both the witch hunts without due process under Title IX, and that a minority of students are boys to begin to with. That is an excellent example of feminism waging a war on boys to essentially exterminate them from college as far as possible.
/r/MensRights02/07/17 09:01 AM
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I disagree with this advice actually. People in general - and feminists especially - couldn't give a shit about men's problems. I can pretty much guarantee if you just talk about men's problem without any broader context the response will be a combination of "who cares?" and "women have it worse!". My other comment about the film The Red Pill is quite relevant here - they cover exactly this point in the film.
/r/MensRights02/07/17 08:57 AM
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Have you seen the documentary film "The Red Pill" yet? If not you should. It is the story of a staunch feminist who interviews people in both the MRA movement and other feminists as well. Warning - the next bit is a spoiler - but the spoiler has already been widely publicized so I don't think I'm giving anything away. As a result of her journey changes her beliefs. The point of this is that it shows how a feminist was persuaded that mens issues are real, despite starting out dead against them. I…
/r/MensRights02/07/17 08:51 AM
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Define "substantively unfair". Most judges would believe that a woman (specifically, because the law is sexist) are entitled to continue living in a manner to which they have become accustomed. I'm glad you're not my lawyer. edit: to be fair to you, you did cite some case law indicating in that in some cases, some judges did uphold a pre-nup even though it appears to be lopsided. However as you are no doubt aware there are differences between jurisdictions and also between the opinions of judges…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 05:35 AM
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http://family.findlaw.com/marriage/top-10-reasons-a-premarital-agreement-may-be-invalid.html Reason 10: if the agreement is so grossly unfair that one party would face severe financial hardship while the other prospered, the court is unlikely to enforce it. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jefflanders/2013/04/02/five-reasons-your-prenup-might-be-invalid/#ff9b0af19a50 Reason 5: Conscionable. A prenup cannot be unconscionable. In other words, the prenup could be invalidated if the agreement is too lop…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 05:25 AM
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lol what?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 11:13 PM
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It's true. Perhaps you don't understand the law or how it gets interpreted. If the distribution of the assets in the pre-nup greatly favor one party over the other, then that is grounds for claiming that it was not a fair negotiation, and the lesser party only signed it because they felt pressured and had no real negotiating power. Depending on the judge you get, this interpretation is entirely possible, so essentially whether the judge wants to honor your pre-nup is entirely at their whim.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 10:48 PM
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In other words, if your pre-nup distributes your assets in a way that is substantially different to how your assets would be divided if no pre-nup was in place, then it can (and likely will be) thown out. So in summary, the only pre-nups that are likely to be upheld are those that distribute the assets in the same way that a judge would distribute those assets if there were no pre-nup. Which makes the pre-nup itself useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 07:11 AM
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The thing is, the TV stations really don't care cause they are completely indoctrinated by feminists already. Perhaps you should complain here instead: http://www.acma.gov.au/theACMA/how-to-make-a-report-or-complaint
/r/MensRights21/06/17 02:00 AM
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I guess I'm just kind of hoping there are things we can find common ground with other people You have a fundamental misunderstanding. The feminists do not want to find common ground with you - ever. They work extremely hard to silence open and honest debate, as their treatment of The Red Pill demonstrates. Just watch the youtube video on "warren farrell univ of toronto protest" to see what common ground means to feminists.
/r/MensRights19/06/17 04:19 AM
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"This is what a feminist looks like" Sorry to say you have encountered the typical feminist marxist hate. Don't expect it to be any different. Ever.
/r/MensRights16/06/17 10:41 PM
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This is the dumbest thing I have heard in a long time. No offense. Why you would knowingly date a fellow female student baffles me. Sounds like you are just asking to get expelled. If you are serious about this you should just skip college and avoid the expulsion and save your money instead. I'm assuming you are in the USA.
/r/MensRights14/06/17 10:31 PM
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Run forrest run! Not joking - run!
/r/MensRights09/06/17 09:38 PM
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Sounds to me like she hustled them
/r/MGTOW05/06/17 07:19 AM
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I've worked with, taught and interviewed enough engineers in general - and women engineers in particular - to know that most of what you're saying is total bullshit. Women engineers are certainly no better than men on average, and in fact there is considerable evidence demonstrating that the spread of men's IQ is higher than women's, meaning there are more smart men around (as well as more stupid ones) and that more women will be just "average". I have a 20 year career also, and I have a PhD too…
/r/MGTOW28/05/17 12:28 AM
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You're just wrong in every way, that's my point. If you were a computer god, then maybe you could be right about not meeting a female programmer better than you but you're just an average dude that cannot accept the fact that there are females that studied in STEM and that are better than you. How is he totally wrong? Go have a look at the many comments attesting that women who are good at STEM are very few and far between. You original valid point about business value eventually gets lost among…
/r/MGTOW26/05/17 01:26 AM
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Umm, no. I don't know how you interpreted that summary from my post, but its not what I said at all.
/r/MGTOW24/05/17 07:13 AM
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now you know better. "this is what a feminist looks like". Silencing and censoring dissent - especially if it contains facts that disprove the victim narrative - is feminism 101.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 07:08 AM
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I gotta agree on both points. Yes, mediocre women are hired/promoted just to meet the "diversity" quota bullshit, and as someone else posted it actually does a disservice to the few competent women out there, cause some men will automatically think they are useless as well until they prove themselves. And yes, the beta orbiters in STEM teams can suddenly go all weird if a woman joins, trying to be her "friend" etc. I once did a round of interviews which included one woman for a role. And this be…
/r/MGTOW24/05/17 06:23 AM
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As someone with a lot of experience both teaching and doing STEM - you are almost spot on. I have taught, worked with and interviewed many people, and there are a few truly capable women around, but since there are not many women in the hard science areas of STEM to begin with, the numbers of good women becomes a tiny fraction of the total. For example, if women and men are equally good/bad in the same proportion, and if women make up only 10% of all candidates, then if 100 people apply for a jo…
/r/MGTOW23/05/17 07:49 AM
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I don't see where the misunderstanding is. Let me give you the short version - if you claim to be a feminist but you don't hate men and don't like making them suffer, then you're not doing it right (being a feminist right that is).
/r/MensRights09/05/17 12:45 PM
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The key phrase here is "we don't care". From this central belief, all the rest of the bigotry and hatred towards men naturally follows like a river.
/r/MensRights04/05/17 03:05 AM
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Feminism is a female betterment movement Even that is somewhat misleading - because "betterment" implies improving oneself. Feminism does no such thing. /u/EricAllonde's definition is more accurate - Feminism is the movement to increase the power of women without limitation in either quantity of power gained/sought/expected or in the method/tactics used to get there.
/r/MensRights25/04/17 08:20 AM
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What this woman actually ended up I suspect unintentionally telling me is something I've suspected for awhile now that she does know there are issues that men specifically face and you simply do not give a shit about the men that have to deal with them. I found this realization a bit distressing when I encountered it. I used to think that people genuinely did not know of the problems that men suffer. And so I thought they just needed to be informed. But I was wrong - when you inform people of th…
/r/MensRights23/04/17 06:01 AM
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No - that's wrong. I understood the question. I answering it how it should be applied.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 07:47 AM
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Absolutely. If you make an accusation it should most definitely go on your permanent record.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 12:47 PM
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/u/Jimb0_slic3 - I'll give you the answer that you seem so desperate to find, but no one is willing to spell out for you. This is the God-honest truth, despite what many politically correct do-gooders may claim... The truth is that on average, women are far less interested in sex than men. Study after study has confirmed this. You just have to google "men sex drive vs women sex drive" to see this. Moreover, why is it that men make the approaches, men have to "convince" women into bed, women tend…
/r/MensRights12/04/17 09:53 AM
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This other recent post seems very relevant https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/64k01b/wrongfully_expelled_student_hauls_elite_college/
/r/MensRights11/04/17 03:38 AM
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They may not be actively looking for it, but they manage to be convinced of it anyway with a bit of coercion from their radfem friends and nosy radfem strangers. I think the real crime here is the coercion part, but no one is policing that!
/r/MensRights11/04/17 03:18 AM
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My favorite is the first one "it's almost like a free pass". Think about it - a free pass to later make up any bullshit story you feel like (such as falsely accusing a guy) and completely get away with it.
/r/MensRights11/04/17 03:15 AM
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I posted the same picture in r/feminism Completely unexpectedly*, it got deleted over there. I wonder why?** It's almost as if*** they're not actually open to discussion! *by which I really mean completely expectedly. ** I don't wonder why. I know why. It's because they censor out anything that remotely dissents or hints at their hypocrisy. *** It's not "almost" as if. It's literally as if.
/r/MensRights11/04/17 03:12 AM
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I agree with this. A lot of the questions are about your experience in court, so you can skip those if you have never actually been to court. But you can still provide an opinion or data that the courts are very biased in favor of women and cite some examples. If you don't say anything, they will never know the truth.
/r/MensRights11/04/17 02:41 AM
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What you are learning is that feminism is a belief system, much like religion. It's based on what you believe, not on what any facts say. Imagine going up to a fundamentalist religious person and saying to them "I have facts that disprove your religion or your God." Do you honestly think they will ever believe you, no matter how many facts you present to them? This is the same as telling a feminist that you can disprove feminism with facts - they will never believe you* *Until they decide to act…
/r/MensRights30/03/17 02:21 AM
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You missed a bit - men's issues that are outright rejected or claimed to not exist by feminists. I consider this to be different to merely "ignored".
/r/MensRights30/03/17 12:05 AM
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When feminists say that women would never make a false rape accusation, I will point them to this article.
/r/MensRights25/03/17 08:10 AM
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I've always suspected this would happen eventually. Next stop - contesting the donors will.
/r/MensRights01/03/17 06:46 AM
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Yeah that's what I was thinking. Might give Jaguar a look also.
/r/MGTOW03/02/17 02:36 AM
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I was actually thinking about buying an Audi in the next couple of years. I guess that's the end of that idea!
/r/MGTOW02/02/17 11:11 PM
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Who's giving women ... this massive lack of accountability? The very same people who decry feminism and are perfectly content with traditional roles for men and women. You can't have one without the other. Rubbish! Feminists are the ones pushing for even lower sentences for women convicted of crimes compared to men. Feminists are the ones pushing for removal of due process and presumption of innocence when men are accused of sexual assault or rape, and in the case of college tribunals they have …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/17 01:55 AM
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as to your last point, that's not how the criminal justice system views rape claims. It is how college tribunals view them however.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/17 01:51 AM
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I have a lot of experience in STEM - I have been doing it and teaching it for many years. All along I've been saying the exact same thing - there are very few women in STEM because very few of them actually like the work. The concept of self-selection sets off alarms for many feminists. It seems to suggest that women themselves are responsible for the gender gap. It can also be an excuse for minimizing the role of social forces To some sociologists and many feminists, the focus on self-selection…
/r/MensRights16/01/17 12:51 AM
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Not really. Fixing women's social issues is consequently fixing men's at the same time Bullshit
/r/MensRights14/01/17 02:33 AM
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I'd like to make it clear that I'm not saying feminists are perfect. I am saying that the principles of feminism are perfect. Your understanding of feminism is wrong. Feminism is as most active practicing feminists do, ie advocate for female privelege and/or misandry.
/r/MensRights14/01/17 02:30 AM
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Those things are privileges in your eyes, they aren't in the eyes of feminism. Feminists consider a lot of things to be oppression that you wouldn't, This is why feminists cannot be in charge of mens issues. You say that men cannot understand women's point of view? The reverse is even more true - feminists have no fricken clue about the issues faced by men and mens point of view, and further they refuse to even listen when we do try talk about it, eg pulling fire alarm on Warren farrell and shut…
/r/MensRights14/01/17 02:20 AM
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Essentially. Is that a problem? So what you need is a corruption commission into abuse of feminism by feminists. I won't hold my breath waiting for that.
/r/MensRights14/01/17 02:13 AM
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He just popped up and confirmed he didn't mean nonconsensual touching I did say "If a woman wants to be groped...", after all. If that doesn't mean consensual... Common usage can imply whatever it wants; when I explicitly rule out that implication, it can go hang. Which brings me to another problem I have with bloopers, feminists, and quite frankly most women: you have a tendency not to argue against the words right in front of you. Rather, you argue against what wasn't said. You have preconceiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/17 05:29 AM
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As it turns out I recently had this same argument with some idiot on another sub. No matter how I described, she could not see that it was a crappy thing to do another person to suddenly withdraw consent mid-sex after having led them on. You can read it here if you want to abuse yourself with her stupidity https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/5hzo9v/what_would_it_take_for_you_to_convict_a_person_of/db4rqs4/
/r/MGTOW28/12/16 01:20 AM
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Why should I change myself for a man? His interests are not any more important than my own. Changing myself would mean sacrificing other parts of my life, which are all more important than a relationship. Said the 3 men in your examples, but it apparently was not ok for them to say that. Do you not see the hypocrisy here? but the basic concept is: they need to show respect for my (women's) life and interests Oh you mean like how feminist protesters shut down Warren Farrell's talk on male problem…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 02:47 AM
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I would advise feminists like me to avoid guys. Fixed your title for you :) I think most feminists are like me in that they have a strong worldview, a sense of direction, interests, opinions and a career. They will not change themselves to be a man's support, or to please him, so the quality they ought to value the most in a man is his willingness to be supportive of her lifestyle. So you (and "most feminists") are exactly like those guys you dated whom you claim to be only interested in themsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 02:36 AM
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What rights don't they have? The right to be drafted? Feminism is about more rights, but no responsibility.
/r/MensRights21/12/16 06:48 AM
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That garbage has been completely debunked numerous times.
/r/MensRights21/12/16 06:47 AM
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Honestly he will do well to turn his back on university jobs and never go back. He will be far better off without them.
/r/MensRights21/12/16 06:44 AM
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This is false. Feminization of boys refers to demonizing typically male behaviors like running around and being active, forcing the boys to sit still and quietly for hour after hour and learn in a way preferred by girls, and that is why boys are doing badly at school - because male styles of learning are "bad" according to the feminist teachers. Re feelings, this quote by Brene Brown sums it up (emphasis mine): I did not interview men for the first four years of my study. It wasn't until a man l…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 06:01 AM
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But there is currently (empirically documented) bias against women in STEM in recommendation letters and promotions. Bullshit. See http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/04/women-preferred-21-over-men-stem-faculty-positions https://blog.interviewing.io/we-built-voice-modulation-to-mask-gender-in-technical-interviews-heres-what-happened/ Women have more opportunity because of supply and demand. If men withheld the demand for sex (e.g. MGTOW), perhaps this would change. Also bullshit. It's well …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 05:42 AM
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What consequences does someone refusing sex they [already started] have for someone else? No consequence? Do you have sex with yourself do you? If you decide midstream that you don't want to have sex anymore, of course there is a consequence for your partner - they don't get to have sex either! Are you so self-centered that you cannot see that someone else is also impacted by your decision here? Decent people do not want to force harm, pain and suffering on their partners. And neither do I. Dece…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 11:06 AM
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no one has any obligation to continue any free activity Since you have an obsession about not being obligated unless you are paid, you have not replied to my plane example. The airline does not pay you to stay on that flight, so by your logic you are free to exit the aircraft mid-flight any time you choose. What you fail to grasp is that your selfish decisions have consequences for other people, but from your replies below it's obvious you don't give a shit about any of those.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 10:48 PM
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It's not wrong or rude to say "I don't want to eat anymore" and then simply get up and walk out of your house? Or to get up and leave the table - say while you're still having appetizers and there's a kitchen full of food he hasn't even tried yet, near the start of the meal, not near the end of it - and sit down in front of the TV and turn it on while you're still hungry and eating. You wouldn't find that wrong or rude or insulting either?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 05:18 AM
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Ok so then it should be perfectly fine to be pro-prostitution but anti-sweatshop labor in textiles or manufactured goods on ethical grounds also.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 05:14 AM
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There are factors like how feasible is it to get an ethical alternative or live without it, and how important of an issue it is to them. Exactly the same is said by men who frequent prostitutes. That is one of the major reasons why prostitution is such a big industry after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 04:32 AM
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I've thought about this, and I'm pretty sure it's because other women feel threatened by prostitution. Take your pick about why they feel threatened - often deep down women feel threatened by the concept of sex (hence need to get wasted to overcome their inhibitions). Or perhaps they feel threatened knowing that this guy won't keep jumping through the hoops that they put in his way - saying he doesn't have other options sounds just like a shit test to me. But let's talk about the disease threat.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 04:28 AM
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Ok let's take the money out the equation. Say you invite them over to your house for a meal that you spent hours preparing. Halfway through dinner they decide they don't feel like eating your food anymore, so they just stand up and walk out your front door, without any explanation. Would that be acceptable to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 04:13 AM
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If I didn't agree to give a blowjob, I have no duty of care to give a blowjob. I'm saying you agreed to give a blowjob - and you even started to give it - but then changed your mind and refuse to continue with the blowjob (not necessarily about any other sex act you haven't agreed to or started yet). That is shitty, selfish behavior. I'm sure that if someone was having a dinner date with you and they got up and walked out halfway through the meal just because they weren't into it anymore, you wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 11:03 PM
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I'm familiar with your last point about revoking consent midway or after and I think it's an f-ing stupid idea. You can't leave a moving plane mid flight cause you had a panic attack, a surgeon can't leave an operation midway and not come back - they have a duty of care to finish what they started. Feminists in general show duty of care to no one - certainly not to men - and that is where their selfish and self-centered arguments break down.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 06:11 AM
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I'm a cat man and quite the cat whisperer. This is reassuring to know that my cat has completely stripped me of all toxic masculinity. Therefore, my staunch anti-feminist view that still remains with me must be based entirely on sound logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 04:26 AM
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Or the homeless guy who can talk to you about what's really going on in the world the general public doesn't know. Also known as the drunk raving loon.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 03:58 AM
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see my reply here https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/5htkes/everything_else_being_equal_why_does_being_a/db4iss2/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 02:31 AM
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For most women it becomes a bigger issue actually. Someone else stated it correctly when they said women think they are entitled to higher earning men. Women will try to dress up this entitlement though, saying they want a man who is their "equal" and so on. Though it does occasionally happen, most women most of the time would never stoop to dating/marrying a guy who earns way less than them, unless he has some other redeeming characteristic that they find entirely thrilling like he is a bad boy…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 02:31 AM
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QFT
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 02:11 AM
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a degree shows they are dedicated to a specific type of knowledge Not really. I've interviewed heaps of job applicants - all with degrees and jobs mind you - who can't answer the most basic technical questions that I would expect of a competent student who has passed first year. Degrees aren't a great indicator of anything these days I'm afraid.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 02:04 AM
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Meaning if they have a PhD in say women's studies they are going to have next to zero knowledge or education on economics or any education/knowledge of say physics or chemistry. This is true. It's how we get misleading and misinformed rubbish like the wage gap or 1 in 4 sexual assault in college. Edit: what economics and physics has to with this is a basic understanding of statistics, which are sorely lacking the examples I posted.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 02:00 AM
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Well for one the PhD would probably be more educated on things and more open minded. Speaking as someone who actually has a PhD, this is not true at all. Have you not heard of the politically correct groupthink censorship that has swept over universities and colleges across the western world right now? Those academics are being as closed minded as they possibly can be. Jonathan Haidt has a lot to say about that actually - you'd like him - he too has a PhD. They can teach you all about history, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 01:52 AM
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Did you read the link?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 01:41 AM
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That's just utter garbage. You should read this article, though there is no attribution in this copy (the original has disappeared offline) its by an expert - Bettina Arndt: http://www.theherald.com.au/story/945229/busted-the-politics-of-cleavage-and-a-glance/ It's just ludicrous to think that the selfish, self-absorbed women of today would purposefully go out of their way to do something solely for the pleasure of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 09:44 PM
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I didn't say that. I said that the purpose of women getting dressed up is not for men's pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 09:38 PM
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Yes women spend more money on themselves to look good, but for the vast majority it is definitely not for the pleasure of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 11:36 PM
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doesn't [feminism] take some of the burden off men to be "providers"? Doesn't it instill some confidence that the woman you're with, who can provide for herself, isn't just after your money? No. Feminism doesn't teach self-sufficiency at all, it teaches women to develop a greater entitlement and victimhood complex. For example, feminism teaches that women are always the "victim" in a marriage, so are entitled to more property in a divorce and to alimony, instead of being totally financially self…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 01:56 AM
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So I started interviewing men and asking questions. And what I learned is this: You show me a woman who can actually sit with a man in real vulnerability and fear, I'll show you a woman who's done incredible work. Meaning, she ended up interviewing a lot more men, and most of the time the women in their lives had little to no empathy for them. Unless you are deluded enough to think that "incredible" describes work that most people can easily do and have indeed done already.
/r/MensRights06/12/16 05:44 AM
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Yes I did. Did you get the part from the above quote that women have zero empathy towards men? Even, initially, Brene herself by completely ignoring men from all her work.
/r/MensRights05/12/16 08:52 PM
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The following is from Brene Browns famous TED talk. We should all memorise it: I did not interview men for the first four years of my study. It wasn't until a man looked at me after a book signing, and said, "I love what say about shame, I'm curious why you didn't mention men." And I said, "I don't study men." And he said, "That's convenient." And I said, "Why?" And he said, "Because you say to reach out, tell our story, be vulnerable. But you see those books you just signed for my wife and my t…
/r/MensRights05/12/16 10:43 AM
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Its like If I win its because im awesome, if you win that means you are sexist. Glad you finally understand that. I'll spot you another one. "Thou shalt not discriminate on the basis of gender, race or sexual orientation." Seems reasonable, but the same SJWs also say "we must remove all power from cis hetero white men"
/r/MensRights12/11/16 12:25 AM
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I never said radfems were all feminists. I said that radfems define the terms misogyny and patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 10:05 PM
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Warren Farrell also. I'm noticing a theme here - if you're part of the feminist establishment but you question it or try to do something to help men, then God help you from the feminist retribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 10:04 PM
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My opinion is that Trump Clinton supporters come from an area of privilege who don't look at the other people who aren't as privileged as them whose rights Trump Clinton wants to take away, such as the Muslims who want to immigrate here that Trump wants to ban the men who will become even lesser 2nd class citizens under Clinton FTFY. It goes both ways. The left are blind to their privilege. That is what this election well and truly proved. Why do you think so many people voted for Trump? Because…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 08:57 AM
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QFT. http://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/MjAxNC0yODBlNTE0ODU1MjI4Yjhh.png
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 08:50 AM
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Totally agree. The violent protests that resulted from a democratic election are a good example. In most other countries they protest for a democratic election - not against one. (Slaps forehead.) "Not my president" indeed. I don't recall die-hard Republicans marching in the streets and vandalizing property when Bill Clinton or Obama won. (And don't anyone try to weasel out of it by saying they governed for all - they were just as bound to self-interests and their own supporters as any other pol…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 08:46 AM
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If you understand Venn diagrams it's easy. Draw a neat clear line that encircles radical feminism and nothing more. Everything outside that line is "misogyny" (according to the feminists anyway). Simple. Of course you can substitute the label "misogyny" with "patriarchy" and you get the same result.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 08:41 AM
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QFT. Even Cassie Jaye - a formerly die-hard feminist - realized that feminism is a dogmatic ideology very similar to fundamentalist religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 08:39 AM
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I'm assuming you know that the vast majority of western media is heavily unionized and biased towards the left?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 12:07 PM
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You know, I've had that exact same experience. Multiple times. Which tells me that as a right-winger I am far more tolerant and accepting of other people's right to hold their own views than left-wingers are of mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 09:14 AM
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Because if you're a left-wing SJW then you have a belief that you are automagically morally in the right and anyone who disagrees with you is a sexist, racist, bigoted shitlord. I put the word belief in italics because that's precisely what it is - a statement of faith, just like a religion. What I've discovered over many, many years is that the left simply cannot fathom nor tolerate someone who has a different opinion to them, despite claiming to be open-minded. It has been my experience that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 08:32 AM
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climate change. It's not a liberal conspiracy, it's scientifically proven. False. I have a PhD in science and two decades experience. I would say that I know a thing or two about "scientifically proven". The science is not proven at all - it's not proven false either - it's just not proven yet. What you hear is the politically biased filtering of people with a vested interest in maintaining climate change hysteria so that governments will throw money at them to solve the crisis. No crisis = no f…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 07:07 AM
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This is brilliant news. I hope it all goes exceedingly well.
/r/MensRights27/10/16 11:55 PM
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Both of these reviews led me to wonder whether the "journalists" in question even watched the film at all. Probably not. But you have to understand the journalists intent here - it is to stop people from seeing the film. The worse they can paint it the better for their cause. Being leftist feminists themselves, these people volunteer first to write the one and only review for that publication so as to effectively censor the film - that is precisely their goal - they never intended to give it a f…
/r/MensRights27/10/16 02:52 AM
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There's a certain symmetry here - treats guys like shit, only bangs guys who treat her like shit.
/r/TheRedPill21/10/16 05:43 AM
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Many liberals also believe that wealthier Americans should pay their fair share for the welfare of others FTFY. "their fair share" is a value judgement that is highly subjective. I would hardly call taxing people 100% of their income "fair" but apparently some govts think it is: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100749491 What you and I think is fair really depends upon our positions in life and whom we believe bears responsibility for ensuring our financial wellbeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 03:26 AM
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It goes further than "I'm not interested" because that implies that under the right conditions you might change your mind and become interested. Every rom-com movie is a good example of this. Saying "you're not entitled" is more like saying "I will never feel like having sex with you and only my needs count so fuck off and don't dare ever ask again." It's a great mask for their own selfishness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:07 AM
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1) They're not specifically about rape actually. They are about all forms of victimization - including harassment by other women. The original comment by a police officer that started them off was about avoiding victimization in general. Obviously the more you make a spectacle of yourself, the more people will notice you - good and bad, as Kim Kardashian just found out. As you said in another comment: Most rapes aren't done in a back alley by a stranger. What you wear has little to do with being…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 04:58 AM
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It's not specifically about wanting attention from Chads, it's about wanting to be totally in control. There are lots of feminists who think that all hetero sex is rape, there are lots of feminists who are lesbians, there are lots of feminists who are misandrists, and there are lots of feminists who are asexual. None of them want sex with Chad. Your second point is a great example of feminists wanting to be in control. Saying you're not "entitled" is a victim-blaming way for them to actually say…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 04:41 AM
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Good luck to them trying to measure things on a building site. I mean it's not like every single component needs measurements and needs to fit correctly right?
/r/MensRights21/09/16 09:53 AM
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His life wasn't "ruined". He was dismissed from the team If you are a potential star pro athlete, then being kicked off the team is ruining your career and hence your life. He chances at getting drafted for the big leagues just took a massive dive on the back of a lie by a nasty, angry girl. Because if you don't play, you don't get picked, it's as simple as that. I'll give you another example - Mattress Girl. The male victim claims his life was ruined and hence he is suing the college. it only f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 09:29 AM
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How about the right to ruin a man's life with full impunity by knowingly falsely accusing him of assault, e.g. https://reason.com/blog/2016/09/09/female-student-admits-to-incredible-lie
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 08:32 AM
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A lot of people think that the term "equality" is a euphemism for "more womens rights", but that's only half of it. The other half - the enabling half - is that feminists have a dogmatic belief that they have less rights, protections and opportunities than men do - that they are permanently an underprivileged class somehow. Once they swallow this sapphire blue pill, they can in all self-delusional honesty say "give us more rights and renounce your own rights, so that we may end up equal to you i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 05:26 AM
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Ha! Entitlement much?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 12:56 AM
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Wrong. Mattress Girl is a good example. She had consensual sex with him but decided to ruin his life when their relationship went sour. There are a lot of examples like that - woman later regrets sex or gets jilted and cries retrospective rape with full impunity. Edit: another good example is the UVA Rolling Stone story which was completely fabricated.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 12:48 AM
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The difference when controlling for all factors is so small that it could just be statistical error.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 12:44 AM
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In those circumstances they do - the pay gap has been dubunked.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 12:43 AM
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If you think that's the real story you are seriously deluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 06:00 AM
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as more women become engineers, i suspect that'll change More women won't become engineers (not significantly more anyway). I have a lot of experience in STEM over several decades. Most women just don't like the work that much. Of those who actually try it, most end up leaving in droves. today on Google it shows women doing non-traditional jobs. Publicly, Google bends over backwards to be as politically correct as they possibly can be. For the recent Juno space probe they had a doodle of the con…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 05:58 AM
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The gender pay gap disappears when comparing like for like work. The only reason to keep complaining is if you want the same money for less work (or less profitable work) which is what the feminists argument is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 05:47 AM
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because it doesn't interest women So what's the problem then? By your own admission women are not interested in more profitable industries. So there should be no surprise - and no outrage - that they correspondingly earn less. part is because it's too intimidating for them to go into a male dominated field. Kinda goes completely against the idea of competition doesn't it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 05:36 AM
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I said nothing bad about those industries. I respect them a lot. Where are the women lining up to join them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 05:30 AM
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Both of those women were good examples of landing a cushy, ultra high paying job for doing nothing remarkable, and then going on to make a mess of the place once they were in charge. Both of them oozed entitlement every chance they got.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 05:24 AM
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They do. The gender pay gap has been debunked when comparing like for like work. In fact in some industries women outearn men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 05:15 AM
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Many women go into less profitable industries with below average pay scales so it's harder for them to earn more. Simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 04:41 AM
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Women are not lining up to be oil rig workers or do other dirty, dangerous jobs that pay well though. Just the comfortable ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 04:38 AM
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Explain Marissa Mayer and Ellen Pao then.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 04:32 AM
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Women already get equal pay for equal work. The gender pay gap has been debunked. Apart from that, I agree with your original sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 04:28 AM
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Men are not entitled to a woman for simply existing Women are not entitled to a cushy high-paying job for simply existing either.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 04:27 AM
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I don't see what is so hard to understand. If it's clear to you that you have no intention of sleeping with a guy in the foreseeable future you're just wasting his time and money. Even if he is not paying for you he still has to pay his way for the "pleasure" of your company when he could be directing that time and money towards someone who is interested in sleeping with him. I'm sure you can relate if you try. Imagine if an employer keeps calling you back for interviews even though they have no…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/16 06:33 AM
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I think the fact that it's a female former feminist who's making it - and who questions everything she's been taught through the process - gives it a great deal more credibility than if it were made by men. This way the film cannot be summarily dismissed as propaganda by misogynists. The filmmaker has stated that many times over feminists and feminist organizations wanted to dictate the content and withdrew their support as soon as she opposed their autocratic control - I hope this aspect makes …
/r/MGTOW02/09/16 06:59 AM
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Yes I concur.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 01:20 AM
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That's right - regret is not rape - despite feminists like mattress girl claiming that it is. You're wrong about it protecting everyone and making the lines clearer. As I mentioned in another comment it makes it feasible and advantageous for women to later deny they gave consent, even if they actually did at the time. Think it won't happen? Look at how women can easily use claims of violence and harassment to take out stay-away orders against their husbands - again without proof - and gain an ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 03:30 AM
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if she doesn't want sex, she can (and should, and MUST) say "no". She's a big girl, an adult, fully capable of making her own decisions and verbalizing those decisions. She's capable of having sex, not having sex, and verbalizing those decisions. That's right - these rules are about absolving women from any responsibility to say no when they don't want to have sex. That is what feminism is pushing further for all the time - rights without responsibilities. It's framed as "affirmative consent" bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 01:33 AM
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Absolutely this is about power. But also consider the wider perspective - women and men generally have different attitudes to how they approach sex. For example men are happier to visit prostitutes or have ONS than women are, and women are happier to develop full relationships than men are. This is just one plank in a wider agenda where feminists claim that women's approach and attitude to sex is "right" and men's approach and attitude is "wrong". Make no mistake - this is not just consent per s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 01:26 AM
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So because not many people are murdered and the U.S. Is one of the safest places to live, we can make murder legal? No it means that because not many people are murdered there is no need to change the murder laws from what they currently are. Not many people are murdered partly because the system of punishment is already an effective deterrent and does not need radical change.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 01:19 AM
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Yes it's about power. It's absolving women of any responsibility to indicate that they don't want sex, so for example if they are ambivalent but go along anyway they can later retroactively change their minds and decide to punish the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 01:16 AM
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LOL sure that's why all those women go from frigid to constantly horny after they get married or have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 01:02 AM
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No. No they don't. From http://www.webmd.com/sex/features/sex-drive-how-do-men-women-compare Do men really have stronger sex drives than women? Well, yes, they do. Study after study shows that men's sex drives are not only stronger than women's, but much more straightforward. It's pretty much a no-brainer. Men jump through all sorts of hoops all the time to convince women to have sex. Women on the other hand need to be convinced. What does that tell you? It says men on average are way more horni…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 06:34 AM
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Most of the time men would rather have a romantic interest in women than be their friend. Most of the time women would rather be friends with men than have a romantic interest in them. This asynchronicity of wants is where the trouble arises. I think women often genuinely want to be friends with men - and that's all. But men accept their lesser choice of being friends when they really wanted to be lovers instead of being not friends at all. I think that women genuinely believe that men whom they…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 02:40 AM
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You won't win because you're not a member of an easily offended group. Women can claim sexism, men can't. Non-whites can claim racism, whites can't. LGBTI can claim homophobia etc, straight people can't claim heterophobia. Muslims can claim religious offense, non-Muslims can't. I just realized the entire Title IX staff are women. These things usually are. Higher education is heavily biased by the social justice left.
/r/MensRights22/07/16 01:28 AM
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^ That's just retarded :P So then what PC term do you have to give an actual mineshaft? What about a crankshaft? Propeller shaft? Camshaft? The movie Shaft?
/r/MensRights21/07/16 04:04 AM
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I wouldn't call playing once a week and playing competitively occasional. If you played once a month, and really didn't give a shit how well or badly you played, and it wouldn't bother you if you missed a month or two, then I would say no you do not love the game. And this lackluster sporadic approach is how many women view sex, so no - they do not love sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 01:09 AM
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I'm guessing if you love your dog then you pat it, play with it and take it for walks fairly regularly. This is taking a great interest in your pet. If you totally ignore your dog 29 days every month then no you do not love your pet.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 01:00 AM
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In the interests of social equality, we should redistribute the car controls so that each passenger has an equal say in driving. One person can steer, another can control the gas, and another the brake. The remaining passengers can work the gearstick and clutch as a team, and this will force them to work together and not create microagressions to each other. /s
/r/TheRedPill08/07/16 12:56 AM
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No. You can "like" sex occasionally if you have a lower sex drive, but you cannot love it. From google, love is "a great interest and pleasure in something." You cannot have a great interest and pleasure in something if you rarely want to actually do it!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 09:59 AM
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There is no such thing as perfect equality in a relationship. Someone is always in charge. You don't see any (successful) companies with 100 CEOs - there is only ever one person in charge. And when there's not, those companies implode. If you think that a relationship is perfectly equal, then in reality the woman is in charge but neither of you will admit it.
/r/TheRedPill07/07/16 05:34 AM
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Conversely in their 20s woman are at their most sexually confident, with more than a quarter saying 41 to 45 signify the worst years for sex. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/scientists-reveal-what-age-womens-5734726
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 04:14 AM
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But recently, I came across feminists who argued against this, stating something to the effect that sex is/ought to be something a man and a woman perform together, with no thought of exchange of value. No this is just false, and most certainly so for feminists. Doing something together implies some give and take. Sometimes if you're not in the mood but your buddy is in the mood you go along with them anyway without grumbling about it, or sometimes you're happy to go along with what they want ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 04:09 AM
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Only transiently in their younger years. Most women grow out of wanting sex far faster than most men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 03:30 AM
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Women absolutely do love sex. Unless she has been indoctrinated by religion This is just false. See my other comment https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/4rjm4n/why_do_bluepill_and_feminists_argue_that_sex_is_a/d528eiw
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 03:27 AM
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This is proven. See https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cultural-animal/201012/the-reality-the-male-sex-drive In short, pretty much every study and every measure fit the pattern that men want sex more than women. It's official: Men are hornier than women. Gottman cites the same thing. Of course there is the occasional article that claims the sex drives of women and men are equal, but these articles are the exception, and not the norm. Furthermore, if you look at sexual interest of women and men…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 01:27 AM
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I would also like to point out that in the last 24 hrs she has also sent an update to all her backers on her Kickstarter page. It's marked for backers only though. It basically says the same thing as the response in the OP but goes into a few more details.
/r/MensRights07/07/16 12:18 AM
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Wouldn’t it be more effective for MRAs to address their advocacy and activism directly toward other men, since it’s other men who have the power to change the things they want to change? I think you've actually answered the question yourself without realizing it: I also can totally see that women have quite a bit of social privilege that is almost never acknowledged. The people (men in this case) with "power" as you put it are not free to say whatever they want to say or to do whatever they want…
/r/MensRights06/07/16 12:13 PM
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I think you're underestimating it a bit. 50 shades of grey is another example. http://www.elizabethgilbert.com/eatpraylovemademedoit/
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 04:58 AM
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Any woman who has a little more mature view of life has hated that book. I hate it, I also hate Bridget Jones and most women's books because they always portray the unrealistic... So correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're saying that (in your opinion) most women (who buy into the happily ever after story portrayed in most women's books/magazines/movies) have an immature view of life. Interestingly, all those stories have one small detail glossed over. Happily ever after just happens to be t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 04:51 AM
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It's not just one person though. Millions of people (mainly women) bought into this fairy tale, probably because they have some of the same feelings of their life being tedious and boring from time to time. So what I think you're saying is that millions of (mainly) women who loved this story themselves have unrealistic expectations about life and marriage. Agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 03:55 AM
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Riiight. So all the field reports and pick up artistry in TRP don't amount to studying women then? Women just fell into the laps of those men through no application of effort by the men? You also neglected to comment on bullshit statistics as per my second paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 08:42 AM
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Well that's just bullshit. If it were not, women would be approaching men for dates most of the time. Newsflash - they're not. Instead they complain about too much "unwanted attention" from men. When was the last time you heard a man complain about unwanted attention from multiple women every time he left the house?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 06:56 AM
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Feminists didn't study men - just made up fantasy conclusions to support their own victimhood narrative. If they did study men, they would not trot out falsehoods and myths like the pay gap, all victims of domestic violence and rape are women, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 06:52 AM
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Umm, solipsism is the foundation of feminism, not TRP. TRP is a counter-strategy to feminist solipsism. To claim TRP itself is solipsist is false, since TRP has studied the motivations of women and feminists quite heavily, which by definition makes them not solipsistic. Women are much more inclined to love good men than good infants. Proof? Women coo over babies all the time. They rarely if ever coo over men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 03:49 AM
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The question isn't if women could get men to help them. It's if they do, and often enough to cause them to stop maturing see /r/pussypass
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 03:41 AM
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I am a former academic. For a very long time now the universities have been extremely feminist and left leaning. Within this monopoly on political discourse you find incentives such as not being fired to believe it also.
/r/MensRights16/06/16 07:22 AM
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I think that assets should be split strictly using the following criteria: anything you owned before the marriage remains yours anything you inherited, won, were gifted, stock options etc remains yours any money that you transmuted (ie. you owned something before but sold it and bought something else with the money) remains yours any remaining money/assets acquired during the marriage is split in the same ratio that you each earned it, based on tax records for the last X years (which can easily …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 05:54 AM
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Imagine it like two business people forming a corporation together... Let's say 10 years go by, and for whatever reason they decide to dissolve the partnership. They entered into the agreement on a 50/50 level. Why shouldn't they depart on a 50 50 level? False. The two partners split their net assets in the same ratio as their stockholding, which is rarely 50/50. Moreover, during the life of the corporation either of the partners can buy and sell stock to change their equity relative to each oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 05:36 AM
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I think you're missing the point. My original post was in reference to OP's claim that keeping all finances totally separate works. Compared to the first part of the suggestions in the book: The basic summary of this chapter is that you should merge finances if you haven't already...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 11:17 PM
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I can't get myself stupid enough to understand that logic. I can. Takes a whole lot of alcohol and sleep deprivation though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 05:15 AM
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It works like this - men stop asking women for sex. Seriously what do you think is the point of a law in which a man has to somehow magically prove he had consent and has a record of it to the court's satisfaction? It's to stop him daring to take the risk of having sex in the first place. Consent contracts mean nothing. You could claim you signed under duress, you could claim you changed your mind - and according to the law this would be fine because consent must be ongoing, you could claim that…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 05:09 AM
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I don't really understand what you are asking here. Are you asking that the media sells you a line that women are supposed to really enjoy sex and get heaps of pleasure from it but you don't, and other women you know don't either, so you want to give up caring about it altogether? You do realize that the media is trying to sell you more media and advertising, not more sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 04:17 AM
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happy to help :)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 03:44 AM
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What I find most interesting in the final graph is something that no one has picked up on yet. The ratio of proven true to proven false is only 2:1. Let me repeat that - for every 2 convicted rapists there is 1 man who was provably falsely accused. That is quite shocking to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 02:49 AM
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False. If this were the case then the whole graph should be on the diagonal too. It isn't. This thinning of the right side is designed with two purposes in mind: To make both the convicted group and falsely accused group appear to be smaller than they are (to emphasize the next point) To give greater visual weight to the sea of supposed "rapists who got away with it" on the left.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 02:41 AM
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The most important thing is that you both have similar attitudes when it comes to money. No "system" can adequately make up for two people with different attitudes about money (or anything else for that matter), because you will find a way to get around the system or the system will stifle you into abandoning it. That said, all our wages go straight into a joint account. All bills are paid from that account. We have common values about what levels of expenditure are ok on a whim without each oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 02:13 AM
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I think she's mostly taking issue with the Surrendered Wife approach of letting him deal with everything financially and giving him all the money and financial power. The title of the book is "The Surrendered Wife" for a reason...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 02:02 AM
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I think it will likely be applied disproportionately to men. How many people will really care whether a woman checked in often enough with the man she had sex with to make sure he's consenting? I think it's main purpose is to vilify men this way. In other words, women will control sex even more than they currently do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 04:44 AM
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Sounds like you have a pretty naive view of how money works in families. A couple of examples: Say one partner loses their job and can't find another one. What then? Say the woman becomes pregnant and chooses to stay at home or work less. What then, who will pay for all the extra baby bills? Say one partner earns less for whatever reason. Then they see a nice house they both like. Its expensive. They can't afford the repayments unless the higher earning partner contributes way more than 50% of e…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 04:15 AM
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I'm not arguing against the gray zone where there was some evidence of something funny happening but insufficient to convict on. If there was no evidence apart from her testimonyaccusation then I call that defamation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 04:05 AM
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I'd second that book. Interestingly it is over 20 years old now, I'd like to see her update it. This one also looks good https://www.amazon.com/Flipside-Feminism-What-Conservative-Women/dp/1935071270/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1464835193&sr=8-7&keywords=who+stole+feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 02:42 AM
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When she said "without evidence" she's likely referring to "without physical evidence" like from a sexual assault kit or physical manifestations of battery. I disagree. She said And if there is no evidence, there will be no conviction. I take that to mean at no point up to or including a trial did any evidence surface. Of course if no evidence turns up there will be no trial, which means the accused has been defamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 01:44 AM
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This is going to be a big gray area around what you define "false" as. I would guess that there are a whole lot of cases where his opinion and her opinion of what happened were very different, so I would class most of those as neither rape nor (deliberately) false accusation. I would also speculate that the rate of false accusations and ambiguous accusations are higher in college where there is more incentive to do so, with no risk of being punished if you are proven false and the tribunal stack…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 11:59 PM
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You should be allowed to accuse a man of rape if he did rape you, even with a lack of evidence. And if there is no evidence, there will be no conviction. If there is evidence that she lied under oath, that is perjury and should be punished. Our legal system is designed with such things in mind. It's already set up to deal with such concerns. I more or less agree with this, except for the part about being able to accuse a man without evidence. If there is no evidence then I think that should be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 11:54 PM
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I think most of those bullet points have pretty much nothing to do with male "sexuality" as such. There are 2 that I will comment on though to tell you how men feel stifled and vilified: Affirmative consent "Boys will be boys" These are both flip-sides of the same coin (in the latter case I am going to talk about older teens and men, not young children). In affirmative consent, it is somehow the man's responsibility to obtain consent, and in many cases if he straight out asks the answer will be …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 05:22 AM
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they can get that elsewhere; some sports are designed around just that. Contact sports are being gradually banned in schools etc because they involve 'contact'.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 04:53 AM
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Normalisation is almost never used in statistics. Because - let's be clear - normalisation = changing the raw data. Statistical blasphemy. I call bullshit. Normalization and scaling are used all the time to make things comparable to each other. Economic data is normalized to take account of the burst of sales that happen around Christmas, and school leaving exams are normalized to take account of exam questions being harder one year and easier the next year (among other things).
/r/MensRights01/06/16 04:48 AM
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Normalisation = changing the raw data. You'd almost never do that. False. That is like saying that 2 lbs is twice as heavy as 1kg because it has a "2" in it.
/r/MensRights01/06/16 04:36 AM
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I think they know how the math works. They know that running the math clearly disproves their emotional position, so they completely disregard the math and go with their feelings instead.
/r/MensRights31/05/16 05:43 AM
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you have no business telling others how it should operate. Rockets should run on feelings and smashed glass ceilings instead of rocket fuel.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 05:51 AM
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facts are facts, and facts say that a man and women can apply for the same job with identical resumes and the man will statistically receive a higher rating on his resume. facts say that countless employees report gender discrimination. Really? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/14/study-finds-surprisingly-that-women-are-favored-for-jobs-in-stem/ http://www.mindingthecampus.org/2015/11/women-favored-2-to-1-in-stem-hiring/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 05:48 AM
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they're wrong because they're wrong! Or more specifically they assume the causes for disparity without actual evidence of the prevalence of those causes and without talking to the people in the actual fields themselves who have a lot of experience with women dropping out etc. In other words, they push a certain political agenda. It's just jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions, like saying if it's raining then there must be a big bag of water in the sky and a stork poked holes in it with his bea…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 05:28 AM
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I was merely explaining to OP what feminists are arguing for. Sure, and they are wrong to argue this, because as you yourself said: in this case it does seem that a lot of women are simply uninterested in STEM fields. Anyway, looks like we agree in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 05:19 AM
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They're hoping that enough women will choose to go into STEM fields if they're exposed to them or encouraged to pursue them early on. But if a woman decides she'd rather be a teacher or a politician, or hell, a dog-walker, no rational person is going to try to force them into STEM instead. False. Feminism is not about choice. It is about feminist approved choice. From http://townhall.com/columnists/lindachavez/2012/04/13/feminists_limit_womens_choices Feminism as ideology eschews individual choi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 04:37 AM
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Women are not encouraged to go into STEM. Really? There are women only scholarships, women only jobs, women only coding groups. Teenagers are often influenced by their peers and social circles Girls much more so than boys. Researchers are saying that it has become masculine for boys to eschew school, so that does not gel with boys taking the advanced courses you mention. Instead, what happens is that is despite being made fun of or ostracized, some boys pursue those courses anyway, because they …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 03:59 AM
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No it's ironic because you started your argument by saying that women who are not interested in STEM insist that women are not given the opportunity to pursue STEM. And push for more favortism to be given to women in STEM, while ignoring the fact that most women are not interested in STEM to begin with - including themselves. "I demand more access to this thing that I do not like!"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 03:18 AM
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Except that I doubt people forced into STEM when they wanted an academic liberal arts degree are going to be very productive and/or motivated. Not sure if you get the irony, but this is why there are so few women choosing STEM in the first place. Or remaining in it once they get a taste of the work involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 06:42 AM
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they keep getting told by feminism that they won't be welcome in STEM Funny that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 06:19 AM
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So, if you were the government and you needed more people that have some particular skills and notice the gender imbalance, knowing all the things about the stereotypes mentioned above, you would think it would be a good idea to address this issue, wouldn't you? No, I wouldn't. I would provide more encouragement to people who already have an interest in those fields but for whatever reason did not go it them. This would include both girls and boys (whomever has an interest), though practically s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 05:49 AM
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If they seriously took logic, they might be induced to quit women's studies. FTW!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 04:25 AM
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It takes a really hard-headed individual to go into a field where your gender isn't welcome Do you have any proof that women are not welcome in STEM? All I see are organizations bending over backwards to make special accommodation for them, e.g. quotas, scholarships, female-only positions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 03:40 AM
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Well you're meeting one now. Not currently unemployed, but I was. Heaps of my colleagues say the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 03:38 AM
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This is false. Tonnes of engineers lost their jobs during the GFC as project after project was cancelled due to funding drying up. For about a year afterwards, there simply weren't any jobs available to even interview for. I know lots of people who went backpacking or took a gap year, because literally there was no work available.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 05:20 AM
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Ergo, they will instinctively support big govt to give money to unproductive sectors of the economy to give make shift work that is easy to do. This is their method of staying "independent". This is just the plain old socialist definition of "independence". Tax the more affluent workers to their eyeballs, hand out that tax to those welfare reliant people, and create a great big inefficient and bureaucracy in the middle to handle all that wealth redistribution and skim a big chunk to keep its whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 04:57 AM
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I've met feminists in STEM. Plenty of them. Most of them were pretty bright. Really? I've met plenty of people in STEM. Very few were women. Fewer still were any good. Every colleague I've ever discussed this with has had the same experience. The self-reliant problem-solving focus that is prevalent in most STEM workers seems to be completely at odds with the feminist victimhood complex if you ask me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 03:29 AM
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Feminists don't tend to go into STEM fields, because feminists suck at logic and rationality to begin with. ha ha ha - QFT
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 03:24 AM
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No. It's a power play. http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/busted-the-politics-of-cleavage-and-a-glance-20120211-1sy7e.html
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 05:01 AM
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From that report since the age of 15, two percent of women (160 000) and one per cent of men (68 100) had experienced violence from a current partner since the age of 15, some 15 per cent of women (1 135 500) and five per cent of men (367 300) had experienced violence from a former partner It may not be 1:1 but it's a pretty large minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 06:20 AM
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Tanveer Ahmed (psychiatrist) gave a lecture in which he said that many DV victims are males (he may have said almost half, I can't remember) and this was common knowledge in the psychiatry profession. You can find a video of his lecture on the internet. As a result of that claim he was demonised by the feminists and sacked from White Ribbon - all for saying that some DV victims are men!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 06:16 AM
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i think this reaction is something that they're fighting, though. to make it not indecent. Ok then - focus on convincing all the women in the western world that it's something entirely decent that they should want to do and encourage them to embrace their nipples at any size and be proud of them. Nipple pride rallies and all that. I'm right behind you 100%. Interestingly, a bunch of women recently held a free the nipple picnic but excluded all men because the men might look at them. So they want…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 05:44 AM
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Well duh, when you include both terms in the same search of course the matching articles will match both. From the 3rd hit on your search link (Time): Breastfeeding is a separate but related issue where breasts have come under fire.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 05:38 AM
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What kind of mother would poison her children's minds or file false child molestation or child abuse claims just to piss off her ex?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 05:35 AM
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That's why alimony usually lasts for a few years; to give her a chance to get educated/certified for a new job. So does a separation/divorce. Plenty of time to start preparing for your new life on your own. So being a bad parent should absolve you of responsibility towards the child? ??
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 05:34 AM
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I think that alimony is an outdated concept. It's from an age when women could not work, so if they got divorced they would be destitute. But now, she can find a job - it's that simple. Contribution towards children - sure. But I think that financial contribution should be split the same as custody. If you want sole custody then you get sole financial liability too! Want to only give the husband access every second weekend? Then he is only liable for 2/14ths of the children's expenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 05:41 AM
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Even if that's what it originally started as, it hasn't been about that for a long time now. A lot like feminism really! Or perhaps you can find some publicity specifically about breastfeeding by these prominent people who proudly support free the nipple: Rumer Willis, Scout Willis, Miley Cyrus, Michelle Rodriguez, Live Tyler, Lena Dunham, Rihanna and Keira Knightley. Edit: Scout Willis started her involvement in free the nipple because her photos got deleted from Instagram, nothing to do with b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 05:13 AM
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Bzzt wrong. Pretty much nowhere in any of the propaganda do they show women actually breastfeeding or talking about the issues specific to breastfeeding. None of the poster children are breast feeding, including none in the photo in the OP. The best they can do is mention "this includes breastfeeding" as a kind of a side effect. Breastfeeding in public is a different topic run by a different group of people, namely nursing mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 04:29 AM
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Firstly, I'm all for more female toplessness. I have no problem with it. But the free the nipple movement seems quite misguided to me. What's the point? I know the stated point is so that women have the same rights bare their chests in public. But the real question is, if women were afforded that right to be bare chested in public, would they actually do so? Every woman I've ever asked replied "hell no!". I see the same thing over and over again - ask a woman if she would go out topless/braless/…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 02:08 AM
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Seems to me that "EEO group" is just newspeak for protected privilege group.
/r/MensRights01/04/16 02:38 AM
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You go out for a night of clubbing, and see a woman wearing a short dress, sipping a martini by the dance floor. You overhear her talking with her girlfriends How do you overhear someone's conversation by the dancefloor in a nightclub?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 04:25 AM
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With feminist tears. It burns!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:55 AM
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Well I actually was making that argument. Well then, don't let anyone stop you. In the name of equality I urge you to petition politicians for money and petition scientists to discover a way to make it happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:54 AM
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Do women care about the harm that they are causing? No. This is the crux of the matter that OP simply doesn't get. In the linked article he explains that everyone else in the world who does harm is badly treated, so why should women be exempt. It's in his conclusion after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:39 AM
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A more coherent argument would be that men should bear 50% of the world's children. Why aren't you protesting for that to happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:35 AM
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You guys have got this all wrong. If far more people watch the men's games, then all we need is affirmative action and quotas to limit the men's audience and give priority to the women's audience instead. Just like STEM and management jobs. So maybe the TV station limit the number of people who can tune in to the men's game so that it's no higher than the number of people watching the women's game. /s
/r/MensRights22/03/16 06:11 AM
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Why do I think TBP exists? To demonstrate that the RP concept of "hamstering" is correct after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 03:52 AM
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I don't think you understood the basic concept of what most women are fundamentally attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 03:43 AM
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Lots of men are suggesting materialistic things (and OP keeps pointing this out), which indicates that this is what women actually want (assuming these men actually do attract women). The OP keeps pointing out that the materialistic things that men are suggesting are things that women could acquire themselves. But he/she misses the point that women still want these things from men anyway. For example, I like spicy food, just because I can cook it myself does not diminish me wanting someone else …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 03:54 AM
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The whole premise of your argument is wrong. It breaks down because of hypergamy. Women want to marry men who earn more than they do. From this all other consequences follow. If you want to break down gender roles focus on convincing women to marry poor men instead. Then the men will have no money to lose in a divorce, and then they will be more able to give up their careers to look after the kids. And while you're doing that, you better address the problem that female breadwinner marriages are …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 05:42 AM
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Nice presumption that he is guilty there. If the father did shoot him then I presume the death penalty is justified for the father? See this is why feminists and the rule of law just don't go well together.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 06:34 AM
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I pretty much guarantee there will be an excuse blaming all mens problems on the patriarchy. You'll need a non confrontational way to counter that claim. The only one I can think of off the top if my head is to show that the men in power give far more resources to women's issues than they do to mens issues.
/r/MensRights26/02/16 07:08 AM
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Actually you don't need it less than before. Fewer strong men are needed than before because the machines can do some of the physical work but not all. Many weak men still cannot build a building with machinery, but a few strong men can.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 10:05 PM
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No. The end goal of SJWs is to simply be in control, and persecute everyone else who is not like them and does not serve them. Hang on...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 06:06 AM
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I'm not buying that excuse have these things called "tools" and "machines" that allow all of us to do things
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 05:37 AM
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Because you take for granted the modern world that was built for you so that you don't need to do the heavy lifting yourself. Most people don't need to be strong precisely because some strong guy already did the heavy lifting for them. So this is false: physical strength isn't a big factor in our modern day It is more correct to say "physical strength isn't directly a big factor for some people in our modern day, because they benefit from services that outsource the physical labour to someone el…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 03:55 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/4793sp/discussion_equal_vs_different/d0ctmg9 I'll assume you've never been on a building site then. The other day I had to break some rock - I had to use a "tool or machine". It was a jackhammer. It weighed about 50 lbs. It worked. The area that I was jackhammering was inaccessible to an excavator, so I could not have simply driven one in. So I presume by your logic anyone can operate a 50 lb jackhammer? -and that is not even a big one!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 03:15 AM
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I'm saying if not for some guy with a lot of physical strength to do the heavy lifting tasks that provide the conveniences of the world in which you live, you would not have a modern world at all. Your "modern world" is entirely dependent on those who built it and keep it running for you. Just because you can't see it does not mean it doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 03:07 AM
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Ever been on a building site? Have any idea how much of it is still manual labour? Good luck to you getting a job as a concreter when you expect the crane to lift every piece of steel reo into place for you. How many home construction sites do you see where there is even a crane present at all - how do you think they move the materials across the uneven ground with foundation trench ditches and piles of spoil laying next to those holes?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 03:03 AM
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I have actually seen a couple of women tradies - in the less physically demanding roles like electrician that is. Have never seen a single one in the physically heavy trades like concrete, steelfixing, bricklaying, stonemasonary and so on - now I wonder why that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 05:46 AM
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Must be why there are so many women in construction then, if it is so physically easy. Edit: and don't cite me India or China. The men over there are digging the soil for the women to carry on their heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 05:23 AM
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You've got it wrong - feminists don't want men to get dates. Dates reinforce normative gender roles in sexist outdated and patriarchal courting rituals. Or feminists just dislike dates where they have to pretend to be civil and pleasant to men (and/or just can't get dates themselves), so no one else should be allowed to have dates either, and this is "empowering" to women because then they don't have to pretend to be civil and pleasant to a man against their will. Take your pick.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 05:07 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/4793sp/discussion_equal_vs_different/d0bhmjl Enjoy a mortgage or cheap credit? Those things are the result of competitiveness and risk taking behavior in financial markets. Enjoy Facebook or Google? Have you seen the server farms that run those services? Have you lifted a server? How about the power systems and fans required to run them?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 04:19 AM
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I don't know what "modern day" you live in, but the one I live in consists of a lot of steel, concrete and brick, a lot of heavy electrical cables and breaking holes in walls and floors to supply plumbing. The roof over my head requires lifting heavy materials up a couple of storeys and nailing them to the building. And the wall frames require nailing together such that they don't fall down in a storm and kill me. All of that requires physical strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 03:00 AM
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I was going to go with the majority of https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/46gbie/redpill_men_what_are_the_most_repulsive_traits/d04uqfc or https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/46gbie/redpill_men_what_are_the_most_repulsive_traits/d04u87i but then I thought the majority of those can be summed up in one word - feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 03:15 AM
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Standing ovation to the judge. Looking forward to this being a precedent in other cases.
/r/MensRights18/02/16 06:22 AM
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Better grab a ruler then.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 06:19 AM
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That statement is very dickist to the dick-challenged.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 03:15 AM
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Feminist on the other hand..... See this is the thing. Feminists abhor violence, bullying and intimidation against them, but they think its perfectly acceptable to use against anyone who does not share their views.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 02:12 AM
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I doubt it. Got some prominent examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 02:04 AM
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They both prove that bullying is not specific to school. But if you don't think so, meh.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 11:07 PM
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That sounds absurdly false. And someone else corrected you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 10:36 PM
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You've never heard of bullying at work? eg. a bullying manager.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 10:34 PM
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Porn, escorts, not being interested in fat women, "only being interested in one thing", every piece of TRP/PUA advice on how to bed girls, "nice guys" who want something, husbands who want sex with wives who don't want it back, not wanting jump through multiple hoops to "get her in the mood". That's just off the top of my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 10:31 PM
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And the moderate feminists hate them as much as you do. So then where are their criticisms of said feminists? Non-feminists and anti-feminists display their protests all over the internet and the real world. If the moderate feminists hate the radicals just as much as the rest of us, then where is their words of protest?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 10:17 PM
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"Die cis scum" is a joke, as is "kill all men." How are they jokes? Are "die trans scum" and "kill all women" still jokes? If not why the double-standard? I think there's nothing funny about any of those 4 statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 10:12 PM
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I am in a minority actually. My race has been subject to a bunch of jokes and stereotypes. I don't see the big deal, nor do the vast majority of my countrymen. We see the truth and humor in it, and we even make those jokes ourselves! Try to get over yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 10:07 PM
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A SJW who just happens to be an experienced journalist writing on a major news platform you mean? That would also mean she has the support of the editors etc who approved this story to go live.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 04:02 AM
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... until TRP came along! <cue hero music>
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 03:55 AM
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Yes, because they were disowned by the feminist movement. CHS has been largely disowned by it too, though she refuses to give up the feminist label to the misandrist mob.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 03:54 AM
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Who's at fault? The wife in this case: He's not owed anything from her. She's his WIFE, he should care about her and her needs So he must care about her needs, but she has no corresponding obligation to care about his needs?! Compare this female self-centred selfish perspective to the corresponding male one: A husband has agreed to be monogamous with his wife. In return, she should at least try and respect his sexual needs. See how the male perspective is one in which each person has a responsib…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 03:12 AM
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and it's even OK that I express my sexuality in a very strictly defined and bracketed list of woman-approved ways. Apart from feminists apparently having a monopoly on equality, they also apparently have a monopoly on approved forms of sexuality too. It used to be that gay men were persecuted and punished for their sexual interests, now that honor goes to (non-beta, non-100%-submissive) straight men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 01:28 AM
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You forgot Erin Pizzey. And Warren Farrell (former president of NOW). They were disowned by the feminist movement. Now they are what you call fringe feminists (if feminists at all), not the blue haired mattress carriers. All the feminists who worked towards equal voting rights, civil rights, abortion rights? Historical. Feminism has changed. Its goalposts have shifted remarkably.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 12:58 AM
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well I already said that many people who don't identify as feminist actually are. Unless they really don't believe in equal rights. You don't have to advocate to be a feminist. LOL by that logic I can say that many feminists who don't identify as bullies actually are. Unless they don't really believe in the skewed world-view and tactics that feminists depend on, see this comment for elaboration. You don't have to knock over some kid's sand castle to be a bully.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 12:27 AM
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feminism is the perfect cover up for being a bully It's an effective way to silence anyone who dares to disagree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 12:09 AM
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haha LMFAO. I just gave two examples of feminists being bullies, the latter example including hundreds of individual feminists. There are of course many, many more. You really believe it's not the vocal minority? So then you agree that the feminists who actually do anything or say anything are bullies, and the feminists who are not bullies remain silent. Sounds like a way for evil to triumph.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 12:05 AM
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I didn't say "all", I said "majority". And it is a fucking miserable overly politically correct world thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 11:57 PM
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Some are for sure. But majority aren't. How do you know that the majority aren't? I could equally assert that the majority are but some aren't, and we would not know who was right. e.g. the Warren Farrell protest is a hallway full of feminist bullies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 11:14 PM
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If women are exempt from the draft then they are advantaged... so that is a completely coherent feminist argument!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 03:00 AM
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With 500,000 members and 550 chapters in all 50 states, NOW is the largest organization of feminist activists in the United States. http://www.learningtogive.org/resources/national-organization-women If NOW is a fringe group, please enlighten us all as to what is a "mainstream" feminist group then?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 01:48 AM
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Tumblr feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 01:40 AM
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Because 3rd wave feminism has set up a perfect Kafka trap where there are only 3 ways you can identify: oppressed, Ally or privileged oppressor shitlord. "Ally" is just shorthand for "enlightened and apologetic" privileged oppressor shitlord, so really there are only 2 states you can identify with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 01:34 AM
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Interesting how when "they" say go, you have to go. Otherwise you're holding up all the other sex cars behind you or something?! So much for equality of consent.
/r/MensRights13/02/16 11:31 PM
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mens issues are not due to feminism That's just plain wrong. There are many cases where men's suffering is as a result of feminism. For example: National Organization for Women (not some fringe group) actively opposes changing divorce law to allow for shared custody for fathers. Title IX is resulting in male students being expelled from college with no due process and no recourse for appeal, all the hearsay of an allegation by a woman. Women can make false rape claims and nothing comes of it, ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 02:19 AM
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So now you're saying that celebrities are over stimulating for some women, so they don't swoon over them as you first claimed?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 06:26 AM
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Being unexciting = beta. beta male An unremarkable, careful man who avoids risk and confrontation. Beta males lack the physical presence, charisma and confidence of the Alpha male. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beta+male Physical presence, charisma and confidence are all exciting. We pay attention to people who exude those qualities. It captivates us.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:18 AM
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For instance, few people would argue that women don't swoon over celebrities. But what exactly is appealing about celebrities? Sure most of them are attractive, but women are attracted to even the uglier ones. What's appealing about them is their status and access to resources, which doesn't have much to do with genetic quality. Instead, status and access to resources has everything to do with being a good provider. Your interpretation is wrong. Women swoon over celebrities because of excitement…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 02:05 AM
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I see your infanticide and raise you widespread anti-dowry abuse: Men's rights activists claim that anti-dowry laws in India are frequently being misused to harass and extort husbands, and attributed this to the high suicide rate among married men in India, which is almost twice that of women. They claim that the divorce and child custody laws are biased against men. According to them, the frequency of domestic violence against men has increased in recent years, and that many cases go unreported…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 12:26 AM
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Because the left are the thought police. Edit: also because the left are way more inequitable than the right ever were. From a personal freedom and autonomy point of view that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 09:48 AM
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I really don't know about India - I read a lot about how women have the upper hand there too. Do I support equal rights for women in places like Africa and the middle east? Absolutely. Do I support western feminists actually migrating over there to make a difference? Even more so!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 09:45 AM
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This is what a feminist looks like.
/r/MensRights29/01/16 05:05 AM
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People failing to define/understand the definitions is a major failing of this stuff. Most of the people involved aren't scientists and don't really look at the studies And feminist activists (who are largely liberal arts majors or related non-math occupations) are a prime example of women who are not good at STEM. Coincidence much? Thank you very much for this highly revealing and insightful data.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 03:41 AM
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But that is what feminists are. For example, you say to a feminist that you find their opinion offensive, then they will reply that they are somehow magically "objectively" right, and you are even more offensive for trying to silence their free speech. I can't change your view because I agree with it. The only thing that can be argued over is the prevalance of AWALT vs rapists. And I would say that given the variety of ways that women can be AWALT and the multitude of support vectors they get to…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 03:39 AM
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Dictionary definition is obsolete, like "gay" meaning "happy" is also obsolete.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 01:04 AM
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IT'S [THE CURRENT YEAR] PEOPLE WHY DON'T YOU HAVE [PROGRESSIVE MY ARBITRARY VIEWPOINT] YET. FTFY. Ironic given that he is a member of a democratic government whose purpose is to debate opposing points of view.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 01:01 AM
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One (i.e. the man) will capitulate under the misguided illusion of "equality" - which really means he is keeping his mouth shut and letting the woman get her way. Eventually he will come to resent this and act out. If he is still under feminist delusions of "equal power" he will try to blame himself for his woes and say "it's not you, it's me" or some other bullshit. Or he may self-neuter himself and become a depressed alcohol with no self-esteem left. If not - if he recognizes the power imbalan…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 05:22 AM
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Blues insist on a fantasy that there can always be precisely equal power distribution in a two-person relationship. Blues think they have equal power, when in reality they themselves are actually the one in power.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 04:37 AM
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There will always be a power imbalance, no matter what. I am confident that you will be downvoted for your opinion, but you are right on the money here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 03:39 AM
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There is always a difference in power in a relationship. If you are under the delusion that your relationship has equal power, then you are the one with more power, only you don't want to admit it. Do not mistake a partner's powerless acquiescence for actual equality. It's not like they have to the option to disagree with you and actually get away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 03:37 AM
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It's good to see that most people are recognizing that there is a distinct difference between feminism and equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 12:00 AM
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How do you know that? Have they told you that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 11:44 PM
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That is not a natural look at all. That is very obviously made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 11:42 PM
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I like women with makeup. I like women with lots of makeup, especially dramatic, colorful and theatrical makeup. They seem to have a real sense of fun. I don't like women with heaps of poorly applied makeup slapped on that does not go together or suit their complexion. They tend to be quite unaware and obnoxious IMO. I don't like women who wear no make up at all. They tend to be boring stick in the muds. And I can take or leave "the natural look". Yeah it's fine for work or going about your day,…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 11:30 PM
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So here's the deal - feminism already achieved what it originally set out to. But now there's all these aggressive feminists standing around with no one to fight, so they shift the goalposts. Only, they can't admit that they are shifting the goalposts because no one would accept it if they were open about fighting for female supremacy. So instead they manufacture problems that paint them as the victim, and use that as a smokescreen. Like for example this delightful exchange https://www.reddit.co…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 06:11 AM
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As a wise poet once wrote: "girls don't like boys, girls like cars and money"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 05:14 AM
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https://youtu.be/bzEq2fnyVDY
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 05:13 AM
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Women do want to be in power. Not in the same numbers that men do. True. Women take less risks And that is precisely why fewer of them rise to the top. Not precisely. But true in part. No shit! That is your argument against equal numbers of women at the top right there: Fewer women want to be in charge (you agree). Fewer women are willing to take the risks to get there (you also agree).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 11:54 PM
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Women do want to be in power. Not in the same numbers that men do. Women cannot compete on men's terms. Then go and invent your own economy that pays people in rainbows and unicorns. If you're going to mention the CEO of yahoo I wasn't. She is a nut. Women take less risks And that is precisely why fewer of them rise to the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 11:38 PM
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This is the correct answer. Feminists take any opposition (normally called debate), relabel it "oppression", and invent a mythical evil bogeyman called patriarchy to imbibe with it with agency. Except all that the patriarchy really is, is just the other side of the debate that feminists refuse to allow a voice to. So basically, the patriarchy is anything that radfems do not approve of, i.e. the rest of the world that is not hardcore feminism. And so they have something external to blame all thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 11:28 PM
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Not that I want to get involved in your pissing contest, but I am top 0.5% smart. And I have a PhD (not an honorary one either). So maybe I know a thing or two about ambitious people myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 12:43 AM
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http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/outside-voices-careers/2011/11/17/professional-women-choosing-flexibility-over-higher-pay http://www.lawsonwilliams.co.nz/blog/men-seek-money-and-progression-women-want-culture-and-flexibility From the second link, note that career progression is the top of the list for men but not even on the top 5 list for women at all! Also from the second link, item 2 of importance is money for men, and that's not on women's top 5 list either. There's your mythical pay gap…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 12:26 AM
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Your definition of feminism is obsolete. Just like the word "gay" used to mean "happy", but that is now dated and obsolete as well. It's not over yet because women STILL do not represent half of the people in positions of power and influence. Women don't want to be the people in power in equal numbers that men do. Not as many women want to do the work that is necessary to achieve such stature, and for this reason alone they should not be "gifted" half of the available positions when more men are…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 07:10 AM
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She also does an excellent job of debunking a lot of bullshit statistics from the other side. Hence the title of the chapters "Myth..."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 06:53 AM
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If I take your OP and replace "RP" with "feminists", and swap out the examples, it still makes perfect sense. e.g. Feminists have posted shit like #killallwhitemen, made a huge viral following around "I bathe in male tears", and all these quotes by the most well respected academics, authors and thought leaders http://misandry.tripod.com/id6.html Even if "not all feminists are like that", you're all still sharing information and tacitly supporting those who are. It supports bad shit. So how do yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 02:45 AM
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"The Sex Myth: Why Everything We're Told is Wrong" by Dr Brooke Magnanti Chapter 7. Myth: Tens of thousands of women are trafficked in Britain as sex slaves. Chapter 9. Myth: The people who oppose sex work, pornography, and similar issues are motivated only by what they think is best for society. She has lots of data in her book to back up her claims. I'm not going to say that prostitution is all rainbows and unicorns, but it's not a Victorian coal mine either. There are better and worse parts o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 02:27 AM
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feminism isn't about... tearing down white men "I bathe in male tears", #killallwhitemen, http://misandry.tripod.com/id6.html From that last link: "Q: People think you are very hostile to men. A: I am." -- Andrea Dworkin
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 10:27 PM
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If the point you're trying to make is that feminists are hypocrites, then I agree with you. I notice that your attempt to post this same topic to askfeminists got deleted, probably because they don't like it being out that they are hypocrites.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 02:20 AM
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Thanks! And thanks for mentioning my username, otherwise I probably would have never seen either this discussion or the one on Voat.
/r/MGTOW07/01/16 01:54 AM
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Wasn't my comment. Ah I see what you did there - stepped in and continued in Talmida's place using exactly the same argument as them. It makes little difference whether you said it or they did - it's still not my claim. this means you consider yourself the other party, you know, the one claiming that AWALT is true. False. I clearly raised it as a question. Do you know the difference between a question (or unknown) and a claim? Moron.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 10:30 AM
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Ok, so I'll take your ad hominem and your failure to come up with any real examples as an admission that your claim that most women's relationship advice is about treating men as kings of the universe (as per today's newspaper) is not something you can actually back up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 09:10 AM
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Me: The question is whether AWALT or not. You: AWALT is a red pill myth. I posed a question. You made the claim to have the definitive answer. Learn to read your own comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 09:02 AM
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Most relationship advice for women is along the lines of "treat him as king of the universe". Go pick up today's newspaper This article is almost 6 years old. I fail to see how it is an example of "today's" news or "most" relationship advice. I fail to see anywhere in that article says anything like "treat him like a king". Mostly it just says treat him decently or treat him like the radical notion that he is a person too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 03:59 AM
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Umm no. You claimed as fact that AWALT is a myth - the onus is on you to prove that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 03:54 AM
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Prove it's a myth then. As is commonly asked for by BPers, please provide a peer reviewed double-blind study.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 12:25 AM
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She also has the option of trying to find a man who enjoys being a brainwashed helicopter parent with her; that's her choice but to me it sounds like the 7th circle of hell. She did that - that was her 2nd husband. She still treated him like shit and her marriage fell apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 12:24 AM
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I just looked at a bunch of news websites lifestyles sections and there was nothing of that sort mentioned. There was a lot of articles about Miss Universe and cooking and exercise tips. Since you couldn't actually provide any examples I will assume that they either don't exist, or are so few and far between that for all practical purposes they may as well not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 12:23 AM
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I agree. If AWALT then it's a good reason to never marry. So the real question is whether or not AWALT is true, or at least "true enough" that it's a very real risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 10:42 PM
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Examples please? The only times that I know of relationship advice telling women to be nice is is the teenage/young adult mags like Dolly or Cleo or Cosmo saying "have sex with your boyfriend and he will like you for it". Most mainstream commentary is that women can treat their husbands however the hell they want under "empowerment" or "equality" or some other flimsy excuse, and he has to take it otherwise he's a chauvinistic pig. Occasionally I will see an article along the lines of "I decided …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 10:12 PM
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Doesn't surprise me really. There are a lot of counselors with warped attitudes out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 10:04 PM
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To women like her. The question is whether AWALT or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 10:04 PM
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If the Command and Control element is fucked then the operation is going to be fucked because nobody knows what's going on. That's your kids, dude. I was thinking a similar think about the fucked up kids but not necessarily in military terms. Basically this woman is teaching her kids a very messed view of relationships and family, and her kids are likely to end up completely messed up and requiring therapy for the rest of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 10:03 PM
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Children are not the reason marriage exists in the way you think. Marriage exists for property ownership. Children only come into it when inheritance happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 10:01 PM
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I agree with what you wrote, but that is all a very Married Red Pill thing to say. BPers would be far more inclined to say the woman is entitled to do whatever the fuck she wants, and if the man doesn't like it he can just leave (and leave everything in his life behind).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 09:59 PM
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So if I make a big long post on how it treat my husband like king of the universe, would that be an argument for marriage? If you were a journalist on a mainstream masthead, and posted repeated articles about it, and made it abundantly clear that this is a good thing to do, then yes. Yes it would. You get treated how you allow people to treat you. That is a glib cliche. Yes, in the beginning you do teach people how to treat you. However, once you enter into a binding arrangement with them (such …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:11 AM
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Do women make up 93% of workplace deaths? Are women now a definite minority of college graduates and falling even further? Are women 93% of the prison population?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:05 AM
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Sorry my mistake :)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:04 AM
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False. Men don't benefit from being thrown out of college on an "alleged" Title IX rape charge with no due process, no evidence and a biased adjudicator. Men don't benefit from NOW formally opposing shared custody of children in divorce proceedings. Men don't benefit from missing out on a job due a female quota. And despite what some feminists say, if a man is falsely accused of rape he does not benefit from the experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:43 AM
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Feminist won't stop until they have the all of the privileges they think men have. FTFY
/r/MensRights16/12/15 01:26 AM
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I disagree this the primary reason. Sure fear of rejection fuels women's anxiety but I think that is a secondary factor. I think the primary factor is that men's and women's motivations are different. Men ideally want to get sex, so they are motivated to seek that out. Women ideally want to be liked by a guy and given attention by him. So women set up the situation that they can be given that attention. If they were to do the approaching then they would not get that like/attention validation bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 06:13 AM
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Actually I agree with this. Maybe not dissuade him as such, but make him abundantly aware that at some point in his career he is highly likely to be accused of molestation or acting improperly or something like that, or even just pushed out by feminist bullies, and does he really want to risk being in such a vulnerable position.
/r/MensRights11/12/15 11:49 PM
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I'm all for more female toplessness, but this whole "issue" is just a red herring. Many times I have asked women if you could go topless or braless or wear a see through top would you? And the answer is always the same - no! never! I would feel too self-conscious! The biggest impediment to acceptance of female toplessness isn't any law - it's women's own prudishness. Look at all the green states
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 10:34 PM
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This just reinforces my initial point (that you disagreed with): Women made it abundantly clear they don't want to be bothered by men trying to pick them up at the bar
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 10:26 PM
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Well, that article basically says that this woman and her friends do like it. Of course, it also says that they reject most of the men that do approach them. No, that article said "we like rejecting you", not "we like you".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 11:59 PM
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"I often go to pubs with same sex friends. We go to enjoy each others company and catch up on what is new in each other's lives. We don't look around the pub for men, and give off no body language that would encourage anyone to approach us. Call me silly, but we find it very annoying when men assume we are at the pub on the prowl for the opposite sex." "I find it more intrusive to be approached when I am at a club with my friends" "Contrary to what a lot of men believe - approaching women in bar…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 11:51 PM
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They have NO impact on the dating scene. Really? You don't think that feminists pushing for say, Title IX laws that see men thrown out of college on the basis of a false accusation with no evidence doesn't have an impact on the dating habits of those young men? You don't think that feminists harping on in shrill voices about "rape culture" all the time actually turns men off wanting to know women? You don't think that feminists posting stories about how they know the chief of police and will thr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 06:20 AM
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Thinking that dating should be fair is like demanding that life be fair. It just ain't happening. It's funny how feminists demand that some outcomes in life must be "fair", even if the deck has to be stacked in their favour, like quotas and preferential hiring for high end jobs for example. But when women are calling the shots - e.g. in dating and sex - then they are more than willing to say "life isn't fair - suck it up". If feminism were really about "equality" they would support affirmative a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 05:23 AM
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They're a very small minority. If by "very small minority" you mean around 60-80% of the male population then sure I agree with you. The only other advice is to give up, which is bad advice. It's only bad advice if you are either more likely or desperate to actually get some female company. If neither of those 2 things apply, then it's not bad advise at all. Edit: by 60-80% I mean that number of men will do badly at dating, not that number of men will never get a date. I was quoting a commonly u…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 05:17 AM
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Maybe try a sample size greater than 1? Personally, I have found it to be more about basic arrogance and unfriendliness than PC ideology per se. I live in a big city, I tend to find that more often than not people just don't want to know you any more - unless they are trying to sell you something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 02:07 AM
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I didn't exchange numbers with the majority of men who used them. I am intrigued by her own inference that the main reason she misses this former attention is that now she has no one to reject any more. But yet she doesn't pick up on that fact...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 01:58 AM
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vocal minority Ask around (or even read the responses here) to see that guys are rejected a lot more than interest is shown in them - which would make it the majority, not the minority. Even if your theory is correct, the "majority" are silent, so how the hell would anyone know that they don't all think the same. I mean, if every woman you approach says "don't approach me", and every article you read says "guys - don't approach us", then it's not too hard to believe that all other women think th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 01:53 AM
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Yep - the ones that advantage them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 01:44 AM
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Women made it abundantly clear they don't want to be bothered by men trying to pick them up at the bar, the shops, work, the gym, the park, public transport, you name it. We eventually got the message. Women aren't interested in men and want to be left alone. Done. So why aren't women happy now?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 12:10 AM
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It's a bridge... for trolls to gather under.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 11:59 PM
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"women are wonderful" effect. It works in the Duluth DV model, where men are hauled away by the cops even when they are the victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 08:51 AM
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with a lot of work being done by PhD students who are underpaid. No shit Sherlock! Do you have a paper to back that up? I've been there and done that myself. Have you? The science behind electric cars have existed for decades. Then why hasn't someone at a university invented one - even an ugly one - decades ago? "In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." Maybe it's cuz you were a shitty academic I think that's about 3 times in a row you've insulted me, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 08:49 AM
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It mostly isn't. Perhaps I can phrase that better. Physical sciences in fields that have repeatable experiments are mostly objective. Social science is biased, as demonstrated by the article. Social science is what BPers demand as "proof" here. The stuff that goes in textbooks are generally about as objective as anything gets. I'll agree with that, mostly in older objective fields where experiments can be repeated, as per my reply above. Right, because some nobody in Australia who doesn't even c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 08:38 AM
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Don't you think the people who have dedicated their life to the pursuit of knowledge would know a thing or two? No. That's incorrect. Those academics in universities stay there because it's a cushy government or pseudo-government job, e.g. tenure. I've worked in both public and private sector and for at least two decades most of the heavy lifting in useful innovation has come from the private sector. Electric cars, driverless cars, drug breakthroughs - innovation is happening all the time in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 08:10 AM
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Thank you, I wish I could upvote you more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:59 AM
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Which field of science do you work in, exactly? I want to know which one is endorsing this sad excuse of an academic. Women's Studies. I don't see why you're presenting "research science being biased" as some sort of huge surprise. Because it is a huge surprise to most people, maybe not you but to most others, especially BPers. As I said in my OP, when I tell most people that science is biased they spit back at me "no way! science is pure you heathen!" I disagree with Haidt's premise that libera…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:58 AM
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Im just confused at how putting faith in the neutrality of science is a BP issue. In my observation BPers are worse in their moralistic blind faith - they believe scientists to be all "good and true"... much the same as they believe all women to be good and true also.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:50 AM
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You are not the first person I've heard this happen to. Some academic higher up the food chain doesn't like the content of the thesis (or the student submitting it) and finds a way to block it or mark it down dramatically.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:47 AM
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You mean when they are not too busy ignoring a Mars landing to demonise a guy because of his shirt?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:46 AM
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Hang on, you started out by saying: It's no secret that research science is heavily prone to bias in basically any field. Now you're refuting Haidt who presents evidence that agrees with you?!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 05:28 AM
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Correct
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 05:25 AM
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That wasn't a paper, it was a book review with no data a few spurious citations. Moreover, the highlights you pasted are exactly what Haidt was pointing out - generalizations designed to adhere to the author's pre-existing beliefs. Yeah, that's why college campuses (professors and students alike) are overwhelmingly liberal... right. Because the people who have had the privilege to go furthest in education in our society don't know better than the working class. You must be joking. Have you not h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 05:23 AM
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I consider it to be a soft science.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 05:08 AM
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That's brilliant. Thanks for that link :)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 03:32 AM
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You've just proved the guy's point that you are blind to your own bias. <Golf clap> Edit: this guy actually studied all this stuff in a measured fashion. You've proven his point - that you will reject his conclusions not because of the data, but because it does not line up with your apriori beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 03:22 AM
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I'm not asking you to consider my credentials - I'm not applying for a job with you for example. What I am doing is linking to other scientists who have said the same thing - in a very measured way. Regardless of what you think of me, it has no bearing whatsoever on the bias that they are pointing out. And yeah, bias exists but like, the climate science stuff seems pretty solid. According to whom? What the news tells you to think? How many IPCC reports have you read? Are you aware that there is …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 03:18 AM
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Has anyone on BP said that? It happens all the time. Here's a recent entry: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3uqzjh/why_is_rp_so_afraid_of_feminists/cxhioyu
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 02:58 AM
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The linked article even opens with a straw poll that shows the same thing! And yet they still don't get it (shakes head).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 02:43 AM
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But any study with actual, reproducible evidence will reach the surface, regardless of how improbable or unpopular it is. Science is the pursuit of truth, after all. They will not be able to avoid glaring evidence forever. I don't think you actually read the article did you, or even my quote for that matter. It says explicitly that unpalatable findings can and will be silenced by those in control of the field's agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 02:42 AM
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LOL that's not something I want to publish on the internet, but rest assured I am a real scientist.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 02:40 AM
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Republicans have seriously fallen out of favor within the academic community due to their anti-intellectual rhetoric. Wrong. By the same guy: You’re smart. You’re liberal. You’re well informed. You think conservatives are narrow-minded. You can’t understand why working-class Americans vote Republican. You figure they’re being duped. You’re wrong. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/books/review/the-righteous-mind-by-jonathan-haidt.html?_r=1 ETA: This is Haidt’s startling message to the left: When …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 02:13 AM
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Yeah they are mostly all like that. http://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/social-psychology-biased-republicans
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 01:06 AM
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This really saddens me. They seemed like they had really great chemistry on screen and in real life. I respect her implies that you more likely believe her, just as much as he still got fucked over. Not only by the woman herself, but also by his so-called female "friend". implies that I more likely believe him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 05:58 AM
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You walk into this assuming he is guilty, just because she said so. What was that about Western Democracy again? Innocent until proven guilty? You've just proven that feminists are fighting against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 05:44 AM
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So this just happened This guy was a feminist, and he still got fucked over. Not only by the woman herself, but also by his so-called female "friend".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 04:54 AM
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that feminists like to fuck and like to fuck manly men. Yeah - feminists like to fuck alphas...which ironically is what RP tells men to be. But they're not going to be fucking you once they control you, beta orbiter. Except if you mean fucking you over, in which case I completely agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 04:11 AM
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Every single one of them preferred old fashioned, confident, manly men. They were all submissive in the bedroom. Well that completely negates the feminist idea that women are in complete control of their bodies, control sexual consent, and control everything that they are or are not willing to do within it. To be submissive you hand control over to your partner and you accept that - within constraints - they will decide for you. That is the complete opposite of feminist ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 03:33 AM
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I'm pretty certain that every single group in the US does that very thing. And every such group has an opposition that fights against it. That is the nature of democracy. That is what MRA's are - the logical opposition to feminism. As opposed to advocates for other causes, feminists take particular delight in crushing their opposition with evil malice.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 03:26 AM
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You think journalists and academics are not biased? Get real now I know you're deluded. I am an academic and I can tell you that it's so far biased to the left that it's in danger of capsizing. You may want to look up Jonathan Haidt's work on pervasive bias in institutions, his TED talk is a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 03:21 AM
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As many others have pointed out, we are not afraid of feminists, but we do detest them for the bullies and dictators that they are. Why all the backlash? Because feminists are rigging laws in their favor. For example, Title IX kangaroo courts in which men are expelled without due process or evidence, and no recourse for appeal. Or scholarships and quotas in which more capable men are passed over in favor of less capable women (that is the purpose of a quota - if the women were just as capable th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 03:15 AM
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Their bias removes a lot of their credibility As opposed to feminist biased mainstream media?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 02:44 AM
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However, I know several women who have been raped. I know many more who have been sexually assaulted. I know lots who have been sexually harassed in the workplace. All of those are crimes committed against women I know personally. And you know all these are true and not false accusations - or somewhere in between - how exactly? Did they all go to court and get convictions against the alleged perpetrators? Perhaps you can see the flip-side of the coin now. How do you know that each of these cases…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 02:42 AM
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gender roles are things that feminism wants to do away with. By reinforcing the view that women are children that cannot take care of themselves. For example, that women who have been drinking are unable to give consent whilst men who have been drinking can give consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 02:27 AM
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Seems like the norm for feminist behaviour to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 04:52 AM
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Mean spirited cruelty. BPers relish in their ability to refuse to have sex any chance they get, they crueller they can be in rejecting someone, the more it turns them on.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 02:33 AM
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It is not the feminist way to call out your own when they act shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 02:29 AM
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those who firmly believe that there are no differences between men and women, and any such observable differences in one gender can certainly be found in the other. In other words feminists. Some examples to prove this are feminists forcing more women into STEM even though few actually like the work, and feminists forcing closure of the alleged wage gap even though women as a whole make career choices of their own volition that caused the gap in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 02:52 AM
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It's right there in the RP sidebar - mainstream society is biased towards feminism and against men. That's why it's ok for women but not ok for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:15 AM
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I am going to you assume that you meant what defines a feminist woman, not what causes a woman to choose feminism. What defines a feminist is fighting against men. Any feminist cause you can think of, I pretty much guarantee that somewhere in there is a fight against men or a marginalization of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:12 AM
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You've never just met someone and said "Hi, my name is ____" and went from there? When I say "Hi, my name is... Slim Shady" they look at me with no clue what I am talking about. And that reinforces my point - with no clue what you can talk about and what they are likely to be interested in you're just taking a scattergun approach that is likely to fail. Do you know the difference between a trained photographer and an amateur hack? An amateur hack just shoots any old thing that they see and tosse…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:48 PM
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I don't know what your point is. Do you need to experience murder first hand to know that it's bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:34 PM
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LDR: Sometimes feminists aren't bad to date. Yes. Yes they are. You just haven't upset her or experienced the crazy factor yet. Don't worry, it accrues just like interest, they will foreclose on you soon enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 07:56 AM
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You mean like on a date where that feminist threatened the guy to lock him up before they even went out? No thanks, I like my penis still attached to my body thanks. The thing is, even if she isn't a batshit crazy feminist (oxymoron - I know), she most likely has other feminist friends who are batshit crazy and will bully her into thinking she was raped or coerced without realizing it. If her hair is blue, or green, or she carries a matress with her, I am likely to give her plenty of space.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 07:52 AM
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Yes, they are both a game. You BPers are fricken thick as a brick when it comes to analogies. To answer your next question - yes, BPers are a brick.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 07:41 AM
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Huh? Would you play a football game by ear (any type of football)? Just run around and chase the ball as you feel like it? Don't play a position, don't coordinate with the other players in your team. Yeah you're sure to win the game that way! What if the one common thing that worked on the 'outliers' was "don't act TRP"? It's not. Otherwise they would not be independent minorities but rather a cohesive majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 03:28 AM
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Yeah I agree with you. That is the pervasive female entitlement mentality which TRP highlights.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 03:24 AM
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I'm not trying to change your view - I agree with it - and hence I cannot post a top level comment. But A third of female students in Britain have endured ... unwanted advances at university. is like saying 99.9% of males have endured an unwanted rebuff. Where is the outrage on that? Of course they fricken have - that's how the sexual marketplace works! Guy seeks permission; girl gives him a yea or nay.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 03:05 AM
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I dispute that it's only 25%, but even if it is that makes little difference. You need to read "The Long Tail" which talks specifically about the multitude of minorities. Here is the thing about minorities - they all act differently to each other. Even though taken together they form a largish group, there is no thread of common behaviour between the disparate groups that unites them. Good luck to you working out 100 different strategies to try to work with each of those 100 different groups, ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 02:54 AM
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my point was you need to just make sure you find the right one. And my point (and others points too) is that when the vast majority of therapists "are like that" it makes it awfully hard to find someone who is fair. Not a therapist who "claims" they are fair, but one who really is. there is quite a bit of paranoia re therapy /Therapists their only human and flawed just like everyone else I dispute that they are "like everyone else". It may be helpful to read my other comment on this page wherein…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 05:35 AM
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And if the supervisor is also biased in the same regard? Then they would think that everything is perfectly normal. You've read the comments in this thread. Look at how many say that the vast majority of counsellors are drinking the feminist kool-aid and completely unaware of how it blinkers their view.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 04:25 AM
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Read the sub. It's not "a few" counsellors.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 06:14 AM
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Yes. I can confirm that crap like this really does happen. Sometimes the hardest thing that the counsellor says to the wife is to very gently say "perhaps you should try being a little nicer to him?"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 05:52 AM
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it sounds like you're saying that most couples counsellors are feminists and biased, which I completely agree with. The real question is why is that so? I think it's like how most STEM workers are males who prefer logic over emotions. The field of study has an inbuilt bias to people who like working with its core concepts (as indeed do all fields of study and work). Edit: actually, counselling has a lot in common with what the RP says about BP thinking about women - that women cannot and will no…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 04:45 AM
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Counsellors just wouldn't do this. Of course they do. Just read some of the examples in Dead Bedrooms which say variants of exactly this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 04:30 AM
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But as for a "lost generation of boys" - wtf are you talking about? Google it. What is the warren Farrell lecture protest? Youtube. "warren farrell university of toronto protest"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 04:11 AM
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Because feminists want to control everything - everything. It's not that hard to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 03:56 AM
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And I don't see masculinity dissolved, by the way. Then how do you explain the increasing numbers of broken men and the lost generation of boys? women, in general, want men to achieve fulfillment in their lives, too I'm skeptical of this claim. I've heard many examples of women - and feminists in particular - preventing men from achieving fulfillment. The Warren Farrell lecture protest is a prime example of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 03:55 AM
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Into what - suicide?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 03:51 AM
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"This is what a feminist looks like"
/r/MensRights16/11/15 02:20 AM
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But I actually hate safe space pc bullshit that is modern feminism. Then how can you be a feminist? This is what feminism is nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 01:08 AM
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Not true. There is also the bright red haired kind also.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 01:01 AM
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they crave male sexual attention, and the way it makes them feel desired/validated Yes. Ongoing attention from an alpha male. In other words commitment, but only if it's the "right" guy supplying the attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 01:03 AM
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See - telling the truth is easier than you think!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 04:26 AM
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What I think you're trying to say is that you actually mean "tolerance": Under political correctness, tolerance is a one way street. In your example, the DJ must be tolerant of breast-feeding mothers even though he doesn't like it, but the listeners don't have to be tolerant of him stating his dislike because they don't like it. Another good example is Muslims - people in the west must be tolerant of their views and customs but Muslims don't need to be tolerant of the laws and customs of the wes…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 02:33 AM
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as opposed to anything positive Well you can't post fiction there
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 12:13 AM
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That's a good point. I believe the Dalai Lama says something very similar - that there is not a single person on this planet who is not dependent on others somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 03:48 AM
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"Strong and independent" = relentlessly bullies her husband/boyfriend into complete submission and breaks their spirit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 03:22 AM
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No I just realize that feminists hate men and bully other women. There are plenty of examples to back this up, see the youtube of Warren Farrell Univ of Toronto protest and facebook page Women Against Feminism for a couple of examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 02:32 AM
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you're saying most people dont think equal pay and gender equality is a good thing? Wrong. Most people realise feminism is not about equal opportunity and gender equality. And practically speaking they are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 02:22 AM
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Sometimes you just gotta laugh at the BPer's ability to hamster the unhamsterable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 02:19 AM
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Maybe if women actually put their head down, arse up and did some work, they would not need quotas, women-only scholarships, "affirmative action" discrimination plans, and altering of job requirements because they can't make the grade. You know, all things that confirm that women are less competitive and therefore need special advantages bestowed upon them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 10:37 AM
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Jobs didn't have a big hand in any of that. You really believe that? To use of your own examples, Jobs visited Xerox Parc by himself. At the time the technology that he saw had never been invented by anyone, and no one outside of that Xerox team had any idea of how to make it. You think it was as simple as drawing a picture on a napkin and saying to Woz "make me one of those please"? You think Jobs didn't have a big hand in figuring out how to make the impossible possible? Steve jobs was a tyran…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 10:18 AM
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No. But I think that everyone who is blue pill is inherently feminist. It's like not eating meat or seafood but refusing to call yourself a vegetarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 04:53 AM
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feminism is actually highly respected. I live in Australia Feminism is no more respected or desirable in Australia than it is in other western countries. Some examples: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/womens-lib-no-longer-on-agenda-of-todays-authoritarian-feminists/story-e6frg6zo-1227123570743 http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/im-no-feminist-julie-bishop-20141029-11dn7m.html http://www.australian-news.net/gender_bias.htm https://www.facebook.com/AntiFeminismAustralia …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 03:02 AM
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Steve Jobs couldn't code Then you know nothing about Jobs. Jobs was not half the engineer that Wozniak was, but he was still an engineer nonetheless. He even met Woz at the Homebrew Computer Club. The job of an entrepreneur is to run the business, not manufacture the product. Wrong. The job of a tech entrepreneur is to create and sell some technology that the world has not seen before. You can't do that without some serious technical skills to overcome the obstacles when you have no money or res…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 02:17 AM
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It's right there on the Red Pill sidebar about how society has become ruled by feminism and misandry. Red pill is anti-feminism at it core, just the same as feminism is anti-patriarchy at its core also. Hate to break it to you, but if you are against feminism, then you agree with RP's underlying beliefs about the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 02:03 AM
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Women are grossed out by the 80% of non-alpha men in general. Like most other things, they just deny it. As for your original question, I believe a song lyric sums it up nicely: "girls don't like boys, girls like cars and money"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:38 AM
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You are under the misguided belief that "strong independent" women won't divorce rape a man. This is wrong. They can and they will. For example, women will still win primary custody of children and possession of the family home no matter how they earn. The "stronger" and "more independent" the woman, the more likely she is to want to create great pain the man whom she's divorcing. She is more likely to find every loophole she can and exploit it to its fullest. She is more likely to have the mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 04:36 AM
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I guess not having sex with someone unless you're 100% sure you have enthusiastic, sober consent is just too outlandish to consider, huh? That doesn't mean much. People can give full consent during the whole encounter and then lie about it afterwards. e.g. mattress girl. This is exactly the kind of scenario that OP is asking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 02:06 AM
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That slogan is just their false advertising.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 10:12 PM
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And you know this because? It sounds like you have your own blinkered idea of what sex should be like. That's fine. Other people have different ideas, which reflect their experiences in life, and not necessarily from porn. Key parties in the 70's were a big thing long before the internet arrived for example. As were nudist beaches. Swingers used to place ads in their own papers before they hooked up online. There is an ancient temple in India that has stone carvings of all types of sex acts on i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 03:22 AM
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their gfs wanted to be punched and choked. the guys just couldn't do it. Yeah I couldn't do that either. Sounds a lot like "Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 03:14 AM
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Its funny to me how many blue pillers are blind to their own anti-male double standards. That is a cornerstone of being BP/feminist/SJW etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 03:10 AM
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Like someone else said, the emotional, romantic stuff influences everyone That's just plain wrong. Far fewer men than women will have watched something like The Notebook or The Bridges of Madison County or The English Patient. For example my female SO has seen The Notebook about 4 times, but I haven't even seen the whole movie even once - the first and only time I tried I got so bored after 30 mins that I left the room. Meanwhile she cries over it. So yeah, "emotional porn" is a separate issue t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 03:08 AM
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Feminism and feminists dictate that the whole world must be exactly the same as they are. It's a type of communism that gets sold as "equality" when all it really is a form of Animal Farm. That's why left wingers predominantly identify as feminists and right wingers (both men and women) don't. One half of modern feminism lobbies for equal outcomes despite unequal inputs, e.g. management quotas for women even though few women apply. The other half lobbies to retain privileges where women are alre…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 01:56 AM
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Along those lines, one of my friends decided to go into engineering BECAUSE there were so few women there. She fucking hates it This is why there are very few women in STEM. Not because they are excluded (they're not) but rather because they don't like the work.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 01:45 AM
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I think the vast majority of women who never (or extremely rarely) wear makeup are ugly. I'm not saying that supermodels always wear make-up. I'm saying that just about every woman who looks at least somewhat attractive and/or takes pride in their appearance wears make-up at least some of the time when they want to look their best (facial skin allergies notwithstanding, but these are pretty rare to all makeup). Same as I think that any person who spends their entire life in T-shirts and sweatpan…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 06:07 AM
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I've been in my relationship for over 20 years, so I guess that qualifies me in. In my opinion the number one thing that helps (but does not guarantee) is the character of the two people in it. From what I have seen over the past two decades women in particular have really let themselves down. I can't comment on men because I am not attracted to men. In my experience, if you want a dependable and agreeable woman you have really missed the boat - they are long gone just like the horse and cart. R…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 08:37 AM
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The men at TRP women at BP cannot be swayed by any logical argument, because at their core, their minds are inflexible. FTFY. The rest of your post is an incoherent rambling. There is no logical argument. Am I done trying to discuss stuff with trp BP? Yeah I think so too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/15 03:54 AM
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I think you've well and truly proven CWM's point that Westerners have no idea about India and that feminists control the narrative through their propaganda. And it's definitely not just the Indians, the entire Muslim world is guilty of this as well. India and Indians are mostly not Muslim. that is why dowries are paid False. In Indian tradition only sons inherit the estate (though even that is changing). When a girl marries she leaves her birth family and becomes a "daughter" of her in-laws. Her…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 04:53 AM
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Something just feels off about men doing all the groundbreaking work in a field, y'know, finally getting things stable and profitable, and right as that happens a feminist shows up demanding womyn's seat at the board table FTFY As someone with a lot of experience both doing and teaching STEM, I can tell you that most women just are not interested in it. It's that simple. Edit: after reading many of the comments, it's pretty clear that feminists want the benefits of working in STEM, but they don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/15 02:10 AM
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As someone going into cs, I've often thought about the kind of projects worth putting a team together for, and "feminist videogame that makes a fucking mint" is high on the list. As someone with many more years in STEM than you, good luck with this idea. Your target market sounds about as huge as "obese people who love hitting the gym" or "old deaf people who enjoy going to nightclubs".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/15 02:07 AM
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It is in tech industries best interest to collaborate with all sorts of people from all sorts of backgrounds. Your high school story does not demonstrate this at all. In fact it confirms the opposite: One of our teachers got an idea to form an "all girls team" because it seemed like they were not confident enough to speak up and contribute in the mixed gender teams. The all girls team actually did slightly better than us in the competition. So by your own admission, if you put women STEMers into…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/15 01:49 AM
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It forces men into a fem-centric frame That's the truth of it. "Nice" is code for "I want a guy who will acquiese to my frame and who will not challenge it." Less self-centred women will just ask for a nice guy. More selfish women will use the euphemism "I want a guy who can handle a strong independent woman" to indicate their frame is far more selfish and paranoid, and the guy better be happy to be trapped within that frame at all times.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 03:32 AM
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I usually find self-described "strong independent confident woman" to be a smokescreen for "I need to justify how I try to control and belittle others, especially men"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 05:38 AM
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I have a similar background to you so I am a little familiar with the customs that you are talking about. I've heard stories of educated Indian women and their parents demanding to know the board exam scores of potential grooms in medicine, a very private thing. This is more about controlling you and not trusting you at your word. If you tell them your score, they will ask to see proof. If you show them proof, they will put another demand in front of you (maybe not now, but after the wedding cer…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/15 06:21 AM
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Because a woman wants a man who makes her feel "special"... but if and only if she already finds him attractive. When a beta nerd tries to make women feel special, the more nerdy he is, the louder the sound of their collective "eeewww gross!" reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 02:19 AM
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What do women bring to the table? Dinner :P
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 01:46 AM
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It's also a fact. Wrong. Feminism supports female rights This is fact on the grounds of gender equality. but this is your opinion.
/r/MensRights17/08/15 01:08 AM
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Personally, I live on my feet rather than on my knees. Somehow I suspected you were probably not the type of girl who gives blow jobs... :P
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 07:47 AM
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true that
/r/MensRights14/08/15 07:44 AM
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Even the core pieces of feminism, if not supporting equality, are not truly feminist. Hahaha LMFAO! "the core pieces of feminism are not truly feminist" <-- your words not ours!
/r/MensRights14/08/15 07:40 AM
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You think that just because people try to claim they are that word, that changes what the word means. It fucking doesn't. Yeah it does. What about feminists reclaiming the word "slut"? In Australia, the then Prime Minister misused the word "misogyny", so then a leading dictionary changed their definition to match her new usage.
/r/MensRights14/08/15 07:37 AM
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"Gay" meaning "happy" and "homosexual" are simply different things. Yeah different meanings. One of those meanings is obsolete though. Same with your definition of feminism - it's obsolete. You're so ignorant. Thanks. I'll just take this PhD hanging on my wall and throw it in the trash then shall I? And you are so smart because of what...? Feminism is not EXCLUSIVE to women. Yeah it is. Give me 3 examples where feminists have actively advocated for improving mens rights. I can easily give you 3 …
/r/MensRights14/08/15 07:30 AM
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No, it isn't. That's your opinion. Lots of other people disagree with you.
/r/MensRights14/08/15 07:00 AM
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Shouldn't they be taking precautions to protect themselves from rape by not getting drunk or going dorm room / house alone with guys they don't want to sleep with? Given that most rapes are committed by someone the victim actually knows, then yes to not going alone into a room with a guy unless you intend to have sex with him. This makes perfect sense. And given that most cases of "regret" involve getting way too drunk, then you shouldn't get wasted in the company of men. This makes perfect sens…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 05:21 AM
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"Prioritising", in this scenario, means focusing mainly exclusively on. FTFY. Feminists don't advocate for men, they just tell men to suck it up. however the definition of feminism does involve... The definition is obsolete. In exactly the same way that the definition of "gay" meaning "happy" is obsolete.
/r/MensRights14/08/15 05:08 AM
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Yes. But I DON'T believe in feminism because that is gender SUPREMACY.
/r/MensRights14/08/15 05:07 AM
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Feminism is equality for both sexes, prioritising women. You do understand that the concept that priority means giving more favourable treatment to one ahead of the other, and is therefore the opposite of equal. From google: the fact or condition of being regarded or treated as more important than others. a thing that is regarded as more important than others.
/r/MensRights14/08/15 03:41 AM
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If there was a Venn diagram with misandrists and feminists, they logically could not overlap. This is true. Because they would both be the SAME circle, and a single circle cannot overlap itself.
/r/MensRights14/08/15 03:36 AM
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I will also point out (in your format) that it just follows from plain common sense: P1. Men approach women. The reverse is rare enough to be negligible and can be ignored for the purposes of this exercise. P2. A woman will be approached by several men. The number of men she is approached by is proportional to her attractiveness. P3. The woman will select only the most attractive of the men whom approach her (or maybe none at all, in which case she drops out of our "study"). Conclusion 1: for ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 01:57 AM
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Sorry I'm not going to do your work for you. I've mentioned a couple of links in a reply above and numerous people have cited the OK Cupid study. I mean, maybe this is what you expect to see: If you follow the citation link on the Wikipedia article you get this gem: For the data of Fig. 4k, about 75% of the population have names in the top 15 000. Estimates of the total number of unique family names in the US put the figure at around 1.5 million. So in this case 75% of the population have names …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 01:27 AM
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1) Don't be so lazy. First the OK Cupid study is a very large study that shows broadly the same numbers. Second, if you follow the citation link on the Wikipedia article you get this gem: For the data of Fig. 4k, about 75% of the population have names in the top 15 000. Estimates of the total number of unique family names in the US put the figure at around 1.5 million. So in this case 75% of the population have names in the most common 1%— a very top-heavy distribution indeed. The graph was: Cum…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 01:22 AM
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I don't count it as representative for the whole population The population of OK Cupid women is predominantly younger women looking for, or at least open to, meeting men. As far RP is concerned those are the only types of women that matter, since they are not interested in bedding your grandmother for example. So in that regard the OK Cupid sample perfectly represents the target demographic of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 01:06 AM
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many natural phenomena have been shown empirically to exhibit such a distribution. That OK Cupid is just one example of "many natural phenomena have been shown empirically to exhibit such a distribution."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 01:03 AM
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The 80/20 ratio comes from the Pareto Priniciple Pareto showed that approximately 80% of the land in Italy was owned by 20% of the population Mathematically, the 80–20 rule is roughly followed by a power law distribution (also known as a Pareto distribution) for a particular set of parameters, and many natural phenomena have been shown empirically to exhibit such a distribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 09:39 AM
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There is no such statistic . It's something TRPillers made up . Not true
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 09:36 AM
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No, they don't. Many will become moms and stay at home Proof please. I find it very hard to believe that someone with the talent and tenacity to discover a cure for cancer would give up and become a housewife because of something as trivial as the pipette machine was not pink. I meant that among the employees you bring in, there will be a few who will do things no one else will do. The good ones will be doing it anyway, because it interests them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 04:17 AM
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I'd rate hospital emergency as one of the most risky and manic places to work, but that's just me. I wouldn't really. It's government, or quasi-government bound by loads of bureaucracy and layers of protective red tape. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but unless the government collapses you will certainly get your pay check every week and still have your job in a year - and you don't have to plough the last of your savings into it. So while there is some real physical risk if crazy patients …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 04:11 AM
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How did you MISS that I'm saying that integration of skills can bring the best of both worlds together in the one person? I didn't. That's not STEM. It's management. You don't always need STEM to manage it, but it can help a damned lot in many circumstances when you don't know what you're talking about or how to manage people. That is true of any manager. You can't be a coach if you don't know the game, but the best players don't necessarily make the best coaches and vice versa. In reality, the …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 03:59 AM
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How many women who would have achieved important things didn't go into STEM? None. The ones that are gifted at STEM go into it anyway. The ones that aren't don't need to be pushed into it by "pageant moms". But among the average there will be those who do something no one else will do. False. 100 average employees cannot produce the same breakthroughs that one absolutely brilliant one can. They simply can't imagine it. You are a very obstinate beagle. Indeed :D
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 03:55 AM
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What women see as just starting up a great business idea, you see as "killer instinct" Yes, because when you start a new business based on new unproven technology, or even purse research on unproven tech also, you have to fight very hard to get it to work and to gain acceptance of it. yes, they are more risk-averse And that is why there are few women in startups. Apart from being on an oil rig or in a coal mine, starting up a tech firm is probably one of the riskiest and manic places to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 03:52 AM
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I don't dispute either of the two examples that you posted. But both of those women were the top of their game, and they would have been in the 10% of STEM people that are women anyway. Pushing more average women into STEM does not produce more superstar performers. Most men in STEM are not Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg either - but that is the argument you are trying to push.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 01:51 AM
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Hahaha this is just laughable The low numbers of women-led startups point to: silicon valley being far more willing to fund male-led initiatives (even if they're blatantly stupid) It couldn't possibly be that far fewer women apply in the first place? women are under-confident in tech because it's male dominated It couldn't possibly be that women are under-confident because on average they realize they are not as good, less inventive, more risk-averse, or lack the killer instinct needed to create…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 01:36 AM
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Who do you want running a STEM department? Yeah, cause doing good STEM automagically makes you a great manager, sure! I suppose you've never heard of the Peter Principle? Whom I would want running a STEM department is a great manager who is a good people person, is good with schedules, budgets, product definition/design and sales/customer service. The business of running a STEM dept is not STEM itself. You don't need to STEM well to manage a tech company well - ask Sheryl Sandberg for example. O…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 12:30 AM
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Huh? I didn't write that quote.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 07:01 AM
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Women in STEM are essential. No matter what, they are essential. At least half a dozen people have asked you to state why women are supposedly essential, in concrete terms. So far you haven't provided a direct answer to any of them. Your only attempt has been to paste some text with vague hand-waving assertions with no concrete examples or evidence to back up any of its sweeping claims. So unless you can demonstrably show why women are essential to STEM, I will assume that they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 06:16 AM
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Nope! Well then if you're admitting that students should allowed choice, don't complain when girls choose lower level math because they dislike it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 05:38 AM
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I see women as having more big picture thinking and men having more narrow thinking (in general). Really? How so? Business success is one aspect of STEM Business success is one aspect of business, hence the qualifier "business" success and not "STEM" success. Of all the STEM courses I've seen and all the STEM resumes I've seen, business ability was never a notable part of any of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 05:29 AM
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Most women are not as physically strong as men yes. Clearly gravity is sexist then /s
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 03:19 AM
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I don't know about you, but where I live that is exactly the case - in high school subjects can be chosen but in elementary/middle school most of the curriculum is compulsory - including both English and Math. Despite this girls don't go on to study STEM at college in my part of the world, even though they are certainly exposed to it. Also, even though choice of subjects is allowed in high school, IIRC you must chose from one of the math options. So girls tend to pick the easier math option and …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 02:45 AM
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None of what you've posted here says why women are essential for STEM. It just says they are essential because we said so, so believe us. If you (or the link) are trying to infer that women are better at thinking outside the box then I absolutely refute that claim, e.g. women rely on consensus and social proof a lot more which if anything means constraining thinking to well within the box. Having diversity in business — people with diverse ideas, talents, experience — leads to greater business s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 01:29 AM
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make the spaces "safe enough" Q1. Can you derive an equation to make a vector space into a safe space? :P
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 01:16 AM
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to expose kids to a lot of different career paths You mean force kids to take subjects they don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 01:09 AM
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Quite simply, men still dominate STEM fields because most women simply do not like STEM. It just doesn't appeal to them. I have over 20 years experience working in STEM and teaching it. I absolutely 100% concur with this statement. My colleagues also observe the same thing. I am glad to finally see a study that concurs with it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 01:06 AM
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The problem with bloopers is they do not understand literature. They don't understand literary devices, satire, exaggeration, humour, etc. I dispute that. They understand it and employ it liberally when it suits their purposes - see anything written by Clementine Ford. But if you have a different opinion to bloopers, then somehow these devices are magically inadmissible.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 05:21 AM
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So then don't have sex with any woman, ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 03:24 AM
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Never heard of #heforshe then?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 02:35 AM
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Interesting that you feel bad for the wives. Do you not feel bad for the men in these dead marriages? If not why do you think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 03:39 AM
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You mentioned that a lot of clients are married men. What do you think of their wives and marriages, especially those that are unhappy at home. And does that ever make you think your marriage could also become unhappy like theirs too?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 02:59 AM
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Men and women are supposed to be a TEAM. Each sex does something the other can't. Exactly - specialization. No successful business has both employees doing 50% of the manufacturing and 50% of the sales. And yet that is exactly what the feminist model of family is - everyone is an identical clone of everyone else. Which of course means there is nothing to appreciate or admire in your partner because they are exactly the same as you!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 07:17 AM
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Surely the solution to promote equality is to train men to have half the babies? /s
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 03:20 AM
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Well if you hire a bunch of women on a quota, but they turn out to be incompetent so you fire them all, then your quota is down and you have to rehire more women to get that quota up again don't you. Plus hiring and training people is very expensive, especially the time it takes them to learn your business during which you have to pay them. So I don't think many companies would fire new people on a whim.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 05:45 AM
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Quotas are not about rewarding for performance. Quite the opposite in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 05:33 AM
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The advice would probably be a lot better if you said what it is that you are trying to achieve. Are you trying to get laid? Are you looking to settle down? Are you considering an arranged marriage? Do your parents have to approve of your wife? These things are all unknown and would help a lot to steer replies.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 12:19 AM
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Clearly brain cells and IQ are racist then. We should change them both until we get full equality of outcome for IQ tests /s
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 12:07 AM
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Maybe because the top level replies by RPers are hard to argue with?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/15 06:14 AM
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I've found the exact opposite actually. BPers are real sticklers for "peer reviewed study or GTFO".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/15 05:04 AM
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Excellent description. I think this is the core that BPers fundamentally don't get: BP definitely does not understand that TRP is a reaction to extreme radical 3rd wave feminism, from men who are trying to fit into a society that has called them a zealously demonized them as a privileged and oppressive upper class. When these men try to talk about their struggles in a patriarchy society, feminists shut them up and tell them to start their own club ... and then harass that club for existing. One …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/15 04:47 AM
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The whole education system is stacked against boys: both the coursework and the exam.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/15 02:22 AM
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Study: Women misperceived a lack of benevolent sexism as hostile to women I believe this confirms the first paragraph in the original post. Now, I don't believe that women don't go into STEM in the first place for this reason (they don't go into STEM because they just don't like the work), but the women who complain about mythical hostility in the field do so for this reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/15 02:19 AM
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Your post was a CMW; according to rule 5 responses must challenge your view (non-challenging replies often get deleted by the mods). You started the title with "TRP not accepting the existence of..." so you were basically inviting RPers to answer. Essentially you asked a RP question and so you got RP replies. There's nothing to complain about here, except maybe if you want the mods to change the rules then complain that you don't like the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/15 12:06 AM
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If you don't believe it you could just read some of the field reports at /r/theredpill - especially those taken from other subs like /r/relationships which demonstrate BB perfectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 03:09 AM
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“I think That conclusion is just one guys speculation. I don't believe the actual study proved that, unless you can show that it did.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 02:42 AM
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Potayto, potarto. Or tomayto, tomarto. Or whatever. You're still doing it in the end aren't you? ...or not doing it, which was my point. Your "nuance" is like saying "I go to work because I want to pay my rent" vs "I go to work because I am obligated to my rent". It's the same sentence both times because the basic facts of the situation don't change. "want to" vs "obligated to" is just a self-delusion you use to try to tell yourself that you are in control. You're not. Even in the "want to" hams…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 02:39 AM
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And women are everywhere in hardware stores - like a disease, buying up hammers and power tools and whatnot. You must have blinkers on. Hahaha that is a good one! I'll remember not to bump into them next time I am in the jackhammer aisle.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:07 AM
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My mom can buy me a tie, it doesn't make me want to fall in love with her though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 11:46 PM
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So people don't smile when they fall in love? Sure that makes a lot of sense /s
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 11:45 PM
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and in articles like the one in the op, it is men doing the taking, and women doing the giving. Somehow I don't think that magazine covers with headlines like "13 tips for things you can take from your man" would sell very well. Of course there is give and take. Actually for feminists there is only take. You and your sisters have demonstrated that very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 08:17 AM
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she is confronted by a feminist saying that the feminists she interviewed are wanting to withdraw the consent that they had originally given because they had changed their mind. Then it is "obviously" rape /s
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 08:07 AM
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It's not "being nice" it's "being fake" You then went on to berate every single suggestion, and summed up with some vague shit without an explanation: True "niceness" doesn't ask for a reciprocated gesture. The smile on your SO's face is enough of a reward. Those tips didn't ask for a reciprocated gesture. They said "hook him" which is more or less similar to "a smile on his face". And you didn't provide any suggestions of things to do that are both "real" and "nice" according to your standards.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 07:53 AM
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That is advice about how to drop what your doing and act like a subservient maid for him. Where does it say drop what you're doing and where does it say be subservient? You are imagining these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 07:43 AM
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Except that is not what is happening here. Oh but it is! Just read some of the other responses here. I get that you are willing to do some things to make your partner happy. By the other responses I see, as well as the tweets in the article I linked to, you are atypical.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 07:42 AM
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I think people are generally selfish. It's easy to accept someone spoiling you, but harder to be kind to others, especially at the expense of yourself. I agree with you, there are lots of comments on this page that demonstrate this perfectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 07:38 AM
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How about real nice people? Seems the best option. According to you such people do not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 07:28 AM
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it is because there is an implication that these are obligations based on gender. It is based on gender because there are some common things that typical men often like. Buying a man a new dress is not a particularly useful suggestion for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 06:34 AM
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It said petty. Petty, as opposed to a big work problem that would require a more substantial response. How about he helps with something real? Like advice on how to tackle the next renovation. So men don't help with renovations now? Funny then how the hardware stores customers are about 90% men, and the 10% women who are there mainly stick to the laundry and paint chip aisles. But I suppose I wouldn't know, I only go to the hardware store every second weekend, and even then I only hang around th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 06:22 AM
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This entire thread proves the OP's point. You know, when I first posted the link I wasn't expecting it to be so easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 06:17 AM
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Absolutely. I find that the kind of women who don't care for this article either are home with their cats, or deliberately dress and act in a "danger danger do not approach" sort of way, so it all works out in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 06:08 AM
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That was more about placating the wife so she'll be happy in her role doing the housework Proof please.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 05:56 AM
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while she goes out and achieves great things? Nothing about the original article, none of the tips, had anything to with ensuring a man "achieves great things". Achieving greatness (or failing at it) is your feminist phobia. (Pro tip: it's hard to achieve greatness when you're constantly dwelling on your victimhood status.)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 05:49 AM
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there's a lot of "do this!" with not much "why" Did it ever occur to you that to many men "do" or "do not" matters a lot more than endless analysis about "why?"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 05:40 AM
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You do nice things for a person because you love them, value them and want to make them happy; not because you want to lock them down. Sure, so make them happy so that they can dump you instead. That makes a lot of sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 05:33 AM
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Do you honesty believe women who don't care for this article never do kind or considerate things for their partners? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 05:26 AM
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Right, so nice = fake. Got it. I guess you never do anything nice for your partner? I'll stick with nice fake people instead of nasty "real" people thanks very much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 05:12 AM
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Why don't you red pillers get that women who love their partners/husbands are abundantly affectionate toward them - and make them food, try to please them in the bedroom, be interested in the things he's interested in and do nice things for them?? Because doing those things is exactly what you're arguing so hard against. Which if you are to believed means that feminists don't actually love their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 05:10 AM
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Yeah probably. If not they certainly toiled pretty damn hard on the farm using manual labour or built houses and castles and pyramids using manual labour also. Life for everyone in historical times was difficult. Get over your victimhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 05:08 AM
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Yeah working the mines and going to war were such safe occupations /s
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 04:54 AM
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Damn, this really makes me sad. Fuck modern "relationships". Amen to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 04:41 AM
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That's the way it was 1950s. That's what I was referring to. The original Glamour article said nothing about the 1950s, or being a dependant housewife, or anything similar. That insuation is purely a projection by the feminist responses such as yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 04:39 AM
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Only about as strange as a man spending an evening with you watching The Notebook or The English Patient or the ballet or The Bachelor for instance. Edit: even if you don't care if your partner does anything with you, can you not conceive that they might you to join them in something they like doing on occasion? That they might like to share the experience or interest with you? How are they your "partner" if you do everything separately?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 04:35 AM
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Daddy brings home the bacon. Wife cooks the bacon Where does it say anything about the man earning the money and the woman being a housewife? When women have problems, they are quite capable of fixing them themselves. Perhaps you could see that many men like to solve problems, so give him something to do with his hands and to feel needed. Or, you know, carry your own damn furniture and change your own tire. No one does anything for anyone else. What a lovely selfish world you must live in. It sm…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:41 AM
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Where in the original Glamour article does it say to relegate your own needs? If a man buys a woman flowers is he relegating his own needs?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:31 AM
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Please explain which part of the original Glamour article said "dump your life and become completely absorbed in his". when the same is not suggested of a man It's an article about pleasing men - it's not about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:19 AM
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I'm not, the feminist tweets in that article are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:16 AM
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all I can think is "you really have to mention that as part of your identity? Like it's a religion?" Yes it is a religion. For example it relies on dogma and blind faith. And much persecution and inquisition has been carried out in its name.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 04:40 AM
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I think that is a brilliant article, thank you for linking it. This part is what really nails it for me: Here’s the issue — many reading this will be incensed just by the fact that I am bringing up these statistics in a negative light. After all, why would I do such a thing if not to paint feminism in a bad light or to play down the issue of rape on campus? As a heterosexual male, it is assumed that I am doing this fact-checking not in the name of academic honesty, but for sexist reasons or beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 06:24 AM
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It's not hard to find examples of feminization, just take a casual look through /r/menrights Here's a recent good example: https://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3e88sw/government_backed_feminist_reeducation_workshops/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 03:48 AM
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you do realize that our culture asks 50% of the population to go up and talk to strangers for no obvious reason besides sex, PRETEND to NOT be interested in sex, and then repeat the process men should talk to women for reasons other than sex. If sex is the only reason you would approach a woman, then I don't want you to approach me. I think what you've both demonstrated is that women (on average) are just far less interested in sex than men are. Both of you agree that in order for most women to …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 03:24 AM
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I just want them to leave me alone. ...don't ...don't ...don't ...don't ...don't ...don't ...don't The list could go on and on and on. But then: I love people. I also love parties. Sure you do honey-bun ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 06:47 AM
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You could rub it in bluepillers' faces whether or not it was in a journal. The BPers would just complain that it's not peer reviewed and according to them holds no weight. If you don't understand the difference between these things, I don't really know how to help you. Well I guess I wouldn't know, despite having written a PhD thesis, publishing multiple papers and being on several review committees. I'm sure you know better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/15 02:33 AM
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I don't think you understand how science works. As a scientist, off the top of my head here are a few hurdles to overcome: In order to get any public funding, you need to submit a detailed proposal that is scrutinized by a government funding committee. That committee is subject to political biases and political lobbying. You're kidding yourself if you think that any proposal that refutes a feminist belief would ever get approved. Even if you crowdfunded the project, you'll have the same feminist…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/15 02:41 AM
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For a start, it's away from women. Because as the quote demonstrated above women are by and large not supportive of mens emotions. Unfortunately feminists try to shut down or force their way into every male only space they can find. Then I would say men tend to experience emotions not so much through their words but more through their hands (or at the very least hands + words at the same time). The lost art of men tinkering in the shed is probably one of the best examples of this. At a more simp…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/15 02:25 AM
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it's genuinely not all of us feminists and all of us women It's the majority. The point of that quote I pasted was that this was a regular Joe guy in a regular Joe family and this a common way that many (if not most) men feel. Brown's later research backs up that it's very, very common. Just the other day I was discussing emotional men with a red piller on TRP... I can't win, you see? Yeah I can see that. One of the problems I see in some TRPers is that they internalise the way the world treats …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 06:51 AM
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The attributes you listed that you used to like are classical alpha qualities. The attributes that you are now looking for are classical beta qualities. From this all else follows.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 06:26 AM
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Sure that's a fair question. I left it because you stated (several times) that men should be able to safely express their feelings and emotions. The point of the quote is that one of the biggest forces stopping men from doing exactly that is women. (And Brene Brown really knows her stuff I might add.) To put that into the context of this discussion, you said: As a feminist, I want to see the world become a fairer place with equality for everyone. As long as a MRA isn't going around disparaging w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 05:32 AM
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I said that men should have an environment where they feel safe expressing their feelings and getting help should they choose to do so. I'm just going to leave this here: I did not interview men for the first four years of my study. It wasn't until a man looked at me after a book signing, and said, "I love what say about shame, I'm curious why you didn't mention men." And I said, "I don't study men." And he said, "That's convenient." (Laughter) And I said, "Why?" And he said, "Because you say to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 04:11 AM
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A short while ago, what I desired in a mate was simple: that I found him attractive, that he made me laugh and that I enjoyed his company – and vice versa. Things like maturity, income and personal/fiscal responsibility meant nothing to me; I didn’t think to take into account whether he could keep his house clean or pay his bills on time. In fact, I thought women who were concerned with such trivial things were snobbish and materialistic. No offense, but this just sounds like classical AF/BB beh…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 03:26 AM
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If you end the (gender) role for men, what are you going to replace it with? Men and boys are already becoming lost and directionless in increasing numbers. If anything, implementing your suggestion without a better replacement will just make like for men even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 01:35 AM
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Just like I said, your mistake is viewing it as a "here and now" thing. I'm not viewing it as here and now at all. The example is not about "here and now" versus "later". The example is about the fundamental issue of giving blow jobs ever. Like I said, if she finds it disgusting then there's no way to compromise on ever getting one - one of you will be 100% unhappy - you if you never get a blow job, her is she is forced into doing something she finds absolutely disgusting. It's not that hard. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 01:28 AM
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If she doesn't want to give a blowjob and you want her to, you can agree that she'd give you a blowjob now and you'd give her oral later than night. Umm, no, you misunderstood the example completely. What if you really want a blow job but your SO doesn't want to give you one ever? For example, she just doesn't like to do that. Compromise on that. I clarified this example in the second part that you quoted, but you seem to have still missed the point, apart from some waffle about being 50% happy.…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 12:23 AM
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I disagree that BPers have it a lot easier in the SMV stakes (and I lean towards RP myself). I just think they look at the SMP from a completely different point of view, and they have a different goal. I imagine that if a RPer made a movie of their ideal sex life it would look a lot like a porno, but if a BPer made a similar movie of their ideal sex life it would look like Romeo and Juliet. For an RPer being mutually attracted is just a stepping stone to the ultimate goal of getting laid, but fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/15 03:47 AM
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I think that all LTRs at some point have issues that simply cannot be compromised on. One partner will win, the other will lose - on that particular issue. And the losing partner will no doubt feel some resentment on that issue (assuming it was important to them). However, over the long term we should also look at fairness. That is, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. Think of it like playing a sport. If you win all the time you'll love the game (except maybe you might get bored and leave …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 07:13 AM
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The point is the process of compromise gives respect. I completely disagree. Respect is given if and only if some of your major concerns are addressed and agreed to. Not all but some. So if one partner says "I dislike everything about babies and I don't want to be near them or hear them crying - ever", then how on earth can the other partner have a baby and still fulfill this major concern? Forcing your demands on another creates resentment. Resentment is created whenever someone else has to liv…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 12:04 AM
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Whoever is more capable of making the right decisions How do you define "right decisions"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 05:09 AM
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Okay, so what you're saying is you can compromise, but you end up with two disappointed individuals instead of one? Making compromising pointless? Stephen Covey said exactly that in his bestseller book "7 Habits of Highly Effective People"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 04:44 AM
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Couples can communicate and discuss, but ultimately there can only be one decision maker. There is one opinion that simply 'matters' more, and they ultimately make the decision. A 'no sex unless' relationship isn't one where decisions are made together, it's one in which the woman successfully uses Dread tactics to get what she wants. This is 100% spot on. But then the "completely equal (as long as you agree with what I tell you to do)" fantasy relationship is just part of the wider issue of BP …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 04:39 AM
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No one says "No sex until..." because in an equal relationship, this wouldn't happen. Ha! Or it just means the woman holds more power. Have you not heard of the classical "yes dear" husband who has been whipped completely into submission? More often than not, "equal" relationship is just a euphemism for this dominant woman, submissive man dynamic. That was what the OP was getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 04:26 AM
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How do you half give a blow job or half have a baby? Like I said, you can negotiate about some of the minor detail, but ultimately one person will get their way and the other won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 04:14 AM
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Exactly. There is always one partner with more power than the other. someone is quietly deferring Totally agree. And the person who is not deferring - who is in effect calling most or all of the shots - is usually under the delusion that their relationship is "equal", simply because they aren't hearing any arguments from the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 03:22 AM
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Give me an example of a situation that can't be compromised. Too easy. You can't compromise on whether to give a blow job - you either do it or you don't do it. You can't compromise on having a baby - you either have one or you don't. In both of those cases you can negotiate around one decision or the other, e.g. the conditions of having the baby, but the decision of whether to actually do it has already been mutually agreed. For example if one of you really wants a blow job but the other finds …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 03:17 AM
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It's no longer working hard to support a family, because men can't have families. Previous generations of society recognized that stability of families was a big key to prosperity, reasonable happiness and harmony of most people most of the time (at least informally). That wisdom has been lost. With the breakdown of families - and any reason to form a family in the first place - we will have increased isolation, selfishness, depression, dog-eat-dog behaviour and so on. From this, society will ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 02:32 AM
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"dehumanizes an entire group of people" Funny they would use that expression, given that men are dehumanized as an entire group of people in the first instance. Which is why they seek out TRP to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 06:59 AM
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Actually just for fun here is the Wiktionary.org definition of feminism: A social theory or political movement which argues that legal and social restrictions on women must be removed in order to bring about equality of both sexes in all aspects of public and private life. (emphasis mine) See how it's stated as a theory or opinion argued by one particular political ideology and not as a verifiable fact? And like all politics, it is believed to be true by some people - like faith - and false by o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 04:41 AM
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I proved it by offering a universal source. Your "proof" is flawed. And, as pointed out something like three or four times now, the bulk of self-declared feminists you're speaking with, even on this site alone, don't agree that the misandry you've cited has any connection to feminism, and refer to the speakers as crazy. Really? Go and have a look at who said those misandrist quotes I posted. Andrea Dworkin, Judith Levine, Linda Gordon, Robin Morgan, the National Organization for Women, the list …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 03:34 AM
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That, however, is beyond the scope of what's being discussed in our subthread, namely, the definition of feminism I never claimed to be discussing the definition of feminism. In fact, in my OP I specifically stated I was avoiding trying to define it. You assumed a definition that I don't agree with, and based the rest of your argument on that shaky assumption. "Happy" as a definition is not a technicality, it's just one correct usage. Happy was the definition of gay long before homosexuality cam…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 11:56 PM
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I'm just going to leave this here: For men, shame is not a bunch of competing, conflicting expectations. Shame is one, do not be perceived as what? Weak. I did not interview men for the first four years of my study. It wasn't until a man looked at me after a book signing, and said, "I love what say about shame, I'm curious why you didn't mention men." And I said, "I don't study men." And he said, "That's convenient." (Laughter) And I said, "Why?" And he said, "Because you say to reach out, tell …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 11:48 PM
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They do not care about male pain. Human beings are hardwired to not care about male pain. Abso-fucking-lutely. We're seeing the BPers do exactly that right here on this thread. And the fact that women do not care about the pain of men is what turns men cold to women in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 10:58 PM
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Yes I think they do. Why do you think TRP is not a good fit for teaching this? There are relatively few parts of TRP that are "compulsory".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 10:45 PM
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Here you go Is feminism now just sexist and not promoting equality? 78% say yes
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 10:40 PM
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you eventually come to a place where men are, objectively, disadvantaged relative to women. I wouldn't bother waiting for a reply. They'll just reply with "well, we aren't there yet". The fact is, feminist will say that men are privileged no matter what the actual circumstances are. Yes. Feminist solipsism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 10:32 PM
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Using a dictionary definition of feminism is a very weak argument. What feminists espouse to be and what they actually do are two very different things. How does the Warren Farrell protest fit with the definition of equal rights for men and women? It doesn't, because the dictionary definition is obsolete. Just like I could point to the dictionary and say that "gay" means "happy", and technically I would be right.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 10:28 PM
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If someone invokes a usage that violates all the tenets of the original use, they need to be able to defend that. They do. I used two examples above - killallmen and I bathe in male tears. Seeing as killing all men eliminates the possibility of equality, This statement above I agree with, but... we can safely say that, by core definition, that can never be construed as feminism. No we can't say that all. These things - not only killallmen, but I bathe in male tears, killallwhitemen, misandrist q…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 01:31 AM
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If someone is using the term beyond the boundary I mentioned, they'd be forced to explain how they're deriving their claims, too. They do. And the feminist they're arguing against cannot accept that they have a different definition of feminism and so says "you don't understand feminism". I've seen it said outright that if you claim to be a feminist, then you also hate men, which is absurd. Why? I thought according to feminists themselves, there are lots of different feminisms. At least one of wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 12:00 AM
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That was an excellent link. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/15 11:52 PM
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I think people who claim to understand it usually don't. I disagree. I think it is more a case of feminists experiencing cognitive dissonance when they try to imply "do as I say, don't do as I do" without actually admitting to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/15 11:47 PM
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individual feminists will change the definition based on how it suits them in the moment. Ha, yeah. I've seen the excuse "but that's different!" many times.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/15 11:43 PM
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Feminism doesn't need to take issue with the problems that men face; it's not about men Feminists claim that they want to improve the lives of men. (Their actions tell a different story though.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/15 11:39 PM
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You want to avoid defining feminism but that's kind of the point, there is no agreed upon definition of the word and so it means very little Feminists themselves can't agree on what feminism is, so it's a bit rich for them to say "you don't understand this thing we can't objectively define ourselves".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/15 11:35 PM
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I’d be willing to bet most feminists support government provisioning of welfare, education and healthcare to men too. Then you'd be wrong. This page has a huge list of ways that feminists have blocked assistance to men in need. You don't have to read too far down the list to see that feminists want men to suffer as much as they possibly can.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 04:01 AM
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The second she falsely accused someone of rape she betrayed the basic tenets of feminism and thus, by nature of its intellectual inclusion, was no longer a feminist. That's just bullshit. Emma Sulkowicz is my new favorite feminist artist 'Mattress Girl' Is a Perfect Icon for the Feminist Left 365 Resaons to be a Feminist: no. 259 Because of Emma Sulkowicz. Emma Sulkowicz is a fricken poster child of feminism. (That renders the rest of your post irrelevent.)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 01:30 AM
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I don't know how you jumped to that conclusion. RP Women asked for a "safe space" from Married RP Men. Married RP Men agreed. The link you provided was not from an RP woman, nor from Married RP specifically, from a TRPer in general - who probably has no idea about the RPW safe space drama. So you've just conflated 3 separate groups who have little to do with each other. What feminists are in general hypocrites about is demanding women only clubs, but at the same time demanding women be admitted …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 12:29 AM
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If a woman is making up false rape accusations, she is NOT a feminist - whether she says she is or not. Explain Emma Sulkowicz then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 12:21 AM
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Umm no, instead of complaining privately to the organisers (or even telling the guys directly) she bypassed all the "normal" things that a sensible person would do and instead proceeded directly to chastise and bully those two guys in the most public way she possibly could.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 09:18 AM
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if she is willing to jump into bed with me, doesn't that also make her pretty slutty? How is that a problem? The thing is I know she wants a relationship. Her way would be sleeping with me to get a relationship. How is that a problem also? But even then am I not still on the beta bucks end? Like I said, you will not know until she plays her hand. Look, you haven't actually said what it is that you want or what you are worried about. Do you want casual sex? Do you want a long term committed relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 05:55 AM
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You need to realize that just because some people are psychos , it doesn't mean that feminism is to blame. How many examples of angry feminist nutters do you need to realise that its endemic in feminism. Off the top of my head: Protesters at Warren Farrel Lecture List of misandrist quotes (there is a much longer and more complete version somewhere but it escapes me at the moment.) Adria Richards who got a guy fired when she overheard a private joke killallmen hashtag trending on twitter Bahar Mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 05:47 AM
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Getting expelled from college due false rape accusations Divorce rape, including but not limited to lodging false child abuse allegations as a way of forcing the husband to give in to the wife's demands. This is considered a legitimate tactic by many lawyers representing women. The myth that being a nice guy and jumping through hoops will get you the girl The lie that doing more housework will get you more sex The lie that female breadwinner arrangements are equally as good for a marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 05:35 AM
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What feminist has attacked stay at home moms? Can you name one? http://www.conservapedia.com/Simone_de_Beauvoir
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 05:12 AM
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I'm sure false rape accusations existed way before the feminist movement. But you didn't get expelled from college for a false allegation back then. And you didn't find that no other college would admit you either because the false allegation ended up on your permanent record. that's discrimination but you're still responsible for your own happiness. What? I should be happy if I am being systematically being discriminated against? Also , do you have actual proof that this kind of discrimination …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 05:05 AM
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but a lot of feminists are housewives themselves Then they are doing feminism wrong. Feminism is generally not against stay at home moms. Some individual feminists might be. To paraphrase Forrest Gump: "feminism is as feminists do". And the feminists who are out and about doing anything much in the name of feminism are the radicals, so they are its coal-face. Ask yourself this - why does the general population have such a negative view of feminists? The feminists themselves have earned that repu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 04:48 AM
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What if your problem was caused by feminism? Say, you got expelled from college on a false rape allegation with no evidence. Or you missed out on a scholarship or job to a lesser qualified female candidate due to a quota. Or you were a man who was the victim of domestic violence but the cops arrested you and not your wife because the law says they have to. Or you were fired because of a baseless sexual harrassment claim. Or you are a boy who grew up believing you are a monster and/or worthless b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 04:42 AM
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feminists don't force people to do anything. Women make their own choices. Wrong. Feminists are anti-choice. Lots of housewives are bullied by feminists because they want to exercise their "choice" to stay at home. See the facebook page Women Against Feminism for some of their stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 04:23 AM
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e.g. Wage gap myth, 1 in 4 sexual assault myth, lies about sex trafficking, lies about domestic violence stats. There are a few books about the lies that feminists tell including "The Sex Myth" by Brooke Magnetti.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 04:21 AM
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The thing is that I am asking because I want to know if TRP accurately AF/BB story is describing what is going on with me. This is pretty easy to test: See if she is eager to have sex with you early without you having to jump through lots of hoops or wine and dine her first. See if younger women from your Indian party circle are also attracted to you. TRP has well-defined answers for both of those tests. Yes and yes if you are becoming more alpha; no and no if you are a BB. To be honest, unless …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 02:31 AM
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I'd also like to point out that if we blindly believe accusers without any evidence (or even worse despite evidence that disproves them as in this case) then we end up in a free-for-all where anyone can accuse anyone else of a crime at their whim, and that is how we end up with the Inquisition.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 03:30 AM
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Amongst other things, BlueSteww said the girl was a victim. And you agreed. You also said that we should believe an accuser - even despite evidence to the contrary, that it's acceptable for innocent men to be locked up and that a woman would never lie about being raped. And you also said you don't believe in innocent until proven guilty in rape accusations. So guilty until proven innocent. Or is there some sort of vague "in between" state that you believe in? If so please explain it. You said yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 03:20 AM
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Yes he is a victim of ongoing harrassment by her right up to the point of her graduation. (You would have to be a real nutter to carry a mattress your own graduation ceremony.) It's that simple. In your other thread on this topic there are 150 comments, overwhelmingly they give evidence that she consented before the incident and even after it also, and that she retroactively changed her story some considerable time after the fact. Despite this you still seem to be in denial that she set out to r…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 11:55 PM
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notice she is only advocating for change in an issue that effects her, she is not campaigning for us all to redistribute wealth each generation to the worlds poor since that would affect her for the worse. Exactly. Feminism is about redistributing wealth and power such that it all flows to the feminists themselves. also her concert stage example is complete bullshit there is no enforced rule that men are at the front they are either their on merit (paid for it) or through choice, any woman can g…
/r/MensRights29/05/15 05:50 AM
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I was going to write a proper reply, but I see that you are that poster who sympathizes with that mattress carrier, so there would little point as it quite obvious from your diatribes here that you just like listening to the sound of your own voice. However, since you posted somewhere that you would be ok with MRAs if they actually fought for mens shelters, preventing male suicide etc, I will leave you with 2 links: A doctor who tries to do something about male victims of domestic violence gets …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 03:32 AM
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Not really, you have no points. Oh really? You claimed that RP is just one big hate movement. I pointed out that feminism is the same. There are loads of misandrist quotes by feminists on the internet if you're about to ask me for evidence. You're next guys. Oh really? I have a PhD in a STEM field and have lectured and tutored students in multiple universities in all levels from first year to postgraduate for over a decade. But I guess you know better than me about the STEM population huh, since…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 06:37 AM
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My point (which you appear to have missed) is that the criticism you level at RP can just as easily be levelled at feminism. Your initial post said TRP believes this and TRP believes that, and yet I can say the same thing about feminism. For example, feminists fervently believe in the 77 cent wage gap myth and the 1 in 5 (or 1 in 4) sexual assault myth despite both being debunked over and over again. and we're looking to get into physics and computer science next. Ha! As someone has a lot of exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 01:15 AM
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It's because you take young menwomen who are suffering or hurting in some way, and induct them into a cult of stupidity instead of bettering their lives. It's because menwomen do have problems facing them and instead of addressing those problems, TRPfeminism spends more time creating clickbait on ROK ( Why you should date an anorexic)Jezebel (Have You Ever Beat Up A Boyfriend? Cause, Uh, We Have) and being angry at MAD MAXapplying the Bechdel test instead of the real problems menwomen face like …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/15 11:28 PM
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Some practical things you can do to prevent getting involved with a "mattress carrier": Ask them their stance on feminism. I'm serious. If a woman is seriously into feminism, takes women's studies, tumblrs about it, participates in Warren Farrell protests and so on, you'd best steer very clear of her unless you want to end up in court. Ask an ex-boyfriend for a character reference. Forget the girl and stick to hookers and porn instead. I would say that suggestion 3 is your safest bet.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/15 01:58 AM
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I'm talking when the victim admits to lying So if someone lies but does not admit to it, you're counting that as an actual rape? That makes a lot of sense... not. If someone does not admit to lying but the matter does not go to trial, or even if it does on really shaky evidence and gets thrown out, you will never 100% know if that was a false allegation or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/15 01:48 AM
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This comment seems to have a good answer
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 04:16 AM
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I agree with all of you. I find their stated rules are still pretty vague but if you look at the text of the comments that deleted along with their reasoning, it makes understanding the way they apply the rules quite clear. Yes they definitely have a heavy hand on censorship and have a particular bias, but at least we know that through their modding system and save ourselves the time of making a post that we know will most likely be deleted anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 11:30 PM
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Just wanted to say that this is a really draining job as is. It can be difficult to handle each comment with the care it deserves. We do our best. Maybe we need more mods. I appreciate it. I'm sure most posters do. I think if you were able more properly convey the rules there would be fewer repeat offenders, and that would help with your workload. As they are the stated rules are far too vague. Some examples, including borderline examples that are just in/just out, would go a long way towards cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 11:25 PM
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The majority of the top comments have been deleted for not being from feminists. No offence, but I find it a fairly silly rule that only BP/RP/feminists/parrots with one leg/whatever can reply as top level comments to a bunch of these questions. A lot of the time the flair is not added by the OP but by someone else later. And a lot of affected questions are "do you think RP...?", not "question for RPers". That's a big difference, I can have an opinion on the former question about RP without actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 11:20 PM
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It's not possible to shadowban a comment. We can only remove comments. Reddit just makes it difficult for users who have a deleted comment to realize it's been removed. I think because it's easier to deal with spammers if they don't know if their comments are being deleted. Thanks for explanation but this seems weird to me. Take this comment for example. If I am logged in as me the comment shows up, if I am logged out it says "nothing here" (not deleted). If I look at the overall thread, when I …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 11:07 PM
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Yes I think feminists genuinely believe in feminism, and yes I think they do it for personal gain at the same time. I think that feminists have a particularly solipsistic view of the world which enables them to do this, for example to completely discount any evidence that counteracts a claim made by the sisterhood and to honestly see nothing wrong with doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/15 01:55 AM
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I thought the golden rule was he/she who has the gold makes the rules :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/15 01:26 AM
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I'm not a feminist but I find this statement very interesting. I realise it's off-topic but I would be very interested to hear about why you chose to start your post with this declaration. 1)I think feminism might have made things easier for working class families. Families that would struggle before , can rely on two incomes now. I disagree. I think that /u/cxj got it right - whereas previously a family could be supported on one income now they cannot. For the working class that yoy talk about,…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/15 03:11 AM
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the agenda espoused does not seem to square, and often seems to involve demonizing or belittling men as a way to secure gendered rights. Yes. Are the people who fight for "gender equality" and those who trumpet "female supremacy" even the same political groups? Yes. There's a famous feminist quote "feminism is the theory, lesbianism is the practice". I would add to that "gender equality is the espoused theory, female supremacy is the actual practice". Feminists are very quick to point out all th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/15 01:47 AM
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If you genuinely ask feminists these questions they will flat out deny the problems exist. I clicked on a few of those links you posted and the top answer was usually a denial of the problem, e.g. for the second link "why is it a victory when women dominate?" the top answer was "women do not dominate and it is not a victory, or for the fourth link "where are all the man haters" the top answer was "I have never met any man haters, therefore they don't exist". Asking feminists about the criticisms…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/15 01:34 AM
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Science says: Men are comfortable with hierarchies and taking the lead in a way that women are not. Women want everybody to be equal. Well that just describes feminism in a nutshell. There was another movement that wanted everyone to have equal outcomes - communism. What a big success that turned out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 07:00 AM
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Yeah it's funny how often Blue Pillers end up scoring own-goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 10:21 PM
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The Blue Pillers have shown me that the Red Pill is right on the money!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 03:28 AM
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It was hamstering by Blue Pillers that convinced me the Red Pill was right.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 03:13 AM
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Like men have been made to feel for years about having those desires? Maybe men are just sick of sex and sexuality being on women's terms all the time. What women want/like/desire has been considered the "right" way of doing things, and men expressing what they desire has been considered "wrong" or perverted or unrealistic or a whole host of other negatives. I wish I could upvote this more. Like this piece which talks about any man who is honest about his desires being called a creep. Creeps get…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 03:11 AM
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I disagree. You're forgetting that feminism (and various other -isms) have given women a lot more power in the SMP that they did not have a few decades ago. To say that it would revert to earlier times means women giving up their power, and I can't see that happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 08:45 AM
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I think if there was no porn then the SMP would be stacked even further in women's favour. Men would literally have to jump through hoops. See China as an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 06:15 AM
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I think I would like to have a family , but I wouldn't want to get involved with the legal nonsense. If you have a family, you are involved with the legal nonsense. In most developed countries having kids still creates legal rights and obligations if you break up whether you have a marriage certificate or not. Some studies have found that people who cohabited before marriage were more likely to break up or divorce, compared to those who did not. I think marriage rates will decline but not becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 03:07 AM
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This is the pattern I get out of feminism: if they deem something to be a threat to women, it must be removed from existence ASAP. Correct. Any suggestion that women simply toughen up a bit and deal with it - something that's frequently expected of men they openly expect men to do when confronted or disadvantaged - is called misogyny. FTFY. Perhaps you see the hypocrisy of feminism - anything that men don't like or don't want to do is misogynist; anything that women don't like or don't want to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:50 AM
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Yes. Yes it is. FWIW I had the same sort of response when I posted a question over there a couple of months ago. I ended up deleting it, the text is is readable here. I thought my question was reasonable, I wasn't saying they were wrong, I was just saying I don't understand please enlighten me. And this question was specific to married RPers which is why I asked it there. In the end I got the impression that the mods who were replying most visciously had no idea themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:31 AM
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I'm not going to debate whether God exists or not in this subreddit. I didn't ask you to, and neither did the vast majority of people who used religion as an example. What we did say is that the same belief principle applies, unless you can prove otherwise. Which so far you have failed to even attempt, let alone prove. Well, the point is that the Red Pill hasn't been proven to be true. Hahaha I just invited you to question why that might be the case, and you've made it clear that you really don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 04:58 AM
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TRP is intolerant to everyone else Feminism is intolerant to everyone else too. And Islam. So what? Exhibit A: feminazis shaming your precious male sexuality all the time Tolerance is one-way, most people don't understand this. Just because I tolerate someone does not mean they will tolerate me back. No one gives a fuck about tolerating or even trying to understand a group who refuse to tolerate or understand others. Now that sounds exactly like what newbie guys say about how they have been trea…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 04:46 AM
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First, as many people have stated here, religion also has no scientific basis and yet billions of people still believe it. Even atheism is a belief - there is no scientific evidence that God does not exist. Second, you are kidding yourself if you think that scientific studies are both infallible and can be carried out on any topic you like. As a scientist I can tell you there is no way in the world that any public funding would ever be granted to conduct a RP scientific study. The feminist prote…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 04:38 AM
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Feminism has no scientific basis either So what?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 04:21 AM
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I'll agree with you that feminism is a type of Marxism. That's pretty clear - the more vocal and fundamentalist a feminist is, the more likely that she stridently supports other left wing views also. But the thing about the definition of feminism is this - it's obsolete. It's like if you look up "gay" in the dictionary you'll find a definition there meaning "happy". Technically that's true, but's that so far from common usage that if that's the meaning you're talking about, you have to explicitl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 04:13 AM
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Have you got some examples of significant numbers of feminists in Western nations actually doing anything tangible to help either women in developing countries, or to help Muslim women in Western countries? Because there are a lot of examples of feminists taking cheap shots like manspreading, mansplaining, and so on instead of doing any actual good.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 03:11 AM
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I don't understand why feminists don't go over to India or the Middle East and fight these crimes against women instead of defacing protein shake ad posters and posting pics online of men who allegedly take up too much space on the subway. And for that matter I don't know why feminists aren't staging large protests against massive amounts of Muslim immigration with no attempt to assimilate those people, when they then end up marrying their daughters off as children and practicing female genital …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 01:46 AM
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What if he actually likes raves? What if he's looking for a girl who likes raves too, so they have something in common? Interesting how all these comments assume that "quality" girls don't actually like rave music.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 01:24 AM
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clubrat bitches club sluts Wow, and they say that RPers have too much hatred towards women :/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 01:18 AM
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I agree with you. I think that in a lot of cases the women are lying to themselves just as much as they are lying to the man. I think they don't dare admit to themselves that they are a lying, heartless bitch so they pretend that it's some other reason. I guess this is a basic part of TRP theory anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 01:16 AM
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A woman who genuinely wants to be a stay at home mom is achieving her goals. Except when she is being bullied by feminists for making that choice. See Women Against Feminism for plenty of examples. A woman who picks one career instead of the one she really wants because she believes its the only way she can have a husband and kids is compromising her goals. This happens way more often then you might think You think only women do that? Good grief. Men also have to turn down career aspirations if …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 06:34 AM
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Why don't the feminists support them ? Because feminism is not about fairness for both sexes, it is a grab for all the power. Simple really. For example, if fathers were given equal custody then mothers would have to give up a whole heap of extra custody that they currently possess. Or if college kangaroo courts required due process then women would not have the power to make up false rape claims to get male students expelled. So if the MRM were to actually gain any of those things they are curr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 05:10 AM
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I think the concept of patriarchy in most cases, especially in the West is projected victimization. Yes absolutely! I came to the same realization recently. To me, feminism is not even feminism so long as it doesn't reject toxic beliefs like the patriarchy. I don't understand this. AFAIK Patriarchy is a cornerstone of modern feminism. Without patriarchy you lose your instant victimhood status, because if the "oppressor" is not real then you're not really oppressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 04:15 AM
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So naturally feminism today has within it a fundamental contradiction. It wants freedom without losing protection, power without responsibility, and equal rights but special privilege. I call it the Female Entitlement Brigade. But the problem all men have with feminism (whether they say it or not) is that it has a record of producing have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too princesses who can't handle the real world and are resentful about it. I don't know that it's "the real world" as such, more like any …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 04:08 AM
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I don't know if women were "told" this by anyone in particular, or if they just developed that belief themselves. But a great many women do believe that men should find their (the woman's) career attractive. I've read countless times "I have a good career, earn good money, have a house/car/some other material possession, but I can't find a man". Well no kidding - those attributes are all fine if you're seeking a job or a bank loan, but to the vast majority of men those things just aren't importa…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 03:49 AM
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as long as they're young and attractive of course. So in other words men like young and attractive women, and if they are smart and assertive that's a small (but inconsequential) bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 02:34 AM
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Well here's an example from your other topic the other day: http://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/357u5a/does_anyone_here_have_any_experiences_with/cr1zad6
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 02:30 AM
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Your first paragraph I agree with. Your second I basically agree with if you said that this advice was based on solipsism rather than pure ignorance.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 02:28 AM
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I'll agree that it's often not consciously deliberate. That doesn't mean it's not still a lie though. People can speak an untruth without meaning to, but perhaps we are just arguing semantics. If you would agree that a half-truth is still a lie, then I would say those words of "do more choreplay" are (mostly) knowingly uttered as half-truths.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 01:33 AM
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He tries to make up for the imbalance, he knows how... Everyone tells him... Choreplay ! So in his efforts to redress the imbalance he does the ironing, hoovers the carpets, just generally lowers his masculinity even more. He thinks he's helping ! And, well, she appreciates it but... Well, tonight I got a headache hun... She ain't feeling so hot for this dude anymore. He seems less masculine somehow. He thinks... Fuck. I haven't got laid in a month, better do more ironing. Which confirms that me…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 04:49 AM
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That is pretty weird. Why do you think that is ? I think it's a big mistake to automatically assume that the one who cheated is 100% at fault and the other partner did nothing to provoke it. It could be that the husband feels really insecure. It could be that the wife has no time for him and he feels unappreciated and unloved. It could be that being around daycare, schools etc every day and being home alone gives him the opportunity in terms of both time and meeting other women. Or it could be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 04:42 AM
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According to TRP these marriages are doomed to failure but in my personal experiences TRP is right in this instance. Not every marriage where the wife earns more will fail, but the risk of it failing are much higher than normal. Just like if you smoke you might not end up with cancer, but the risk of you getting cancer is much higher than if you didn't smoke. This article contains summaries and links to several studies that show that a female breadwinner leads to more divorce, more infidelity, l…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 03:37 AM
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Feminism is the advocacy of women without regard with blatant disregard to justice or facts, with an emphasis on "rights" but not obligations and enforcement through socialist methods. FTFY
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/15 12:11 AM
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Being a stay at home husband often doesn't work. This article contains summaries and links to several studies that show that a female breadwinner leads to more divorce, more infidelity, less satisfaction with chores and family planning, emasculation of the husband, and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/15 04:23 AM
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Clearly the data is oppressed by the patriachy, so we should discard the data instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/15 10:15 PM
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Oh I see, so in about 30 secs I google and find a couple of entirely relevant statistics - and from different countries too - but you femsplain it away with "something something doesn't suit my preconceived agenda". And I would hazard a guess that even though you came from the bush, there is no reason why you can't practise in the city once you graduate. Having to move for a career has nothing to do with sexism, feminism, or any other -ism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/15 06:11 AM
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The bit south of the equator. Why don't you ask for my phone number and star sign while you're at it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/15 06:08 AM
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This was written in 2003 (that's over a decade ago): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC340187/ Veterinary medicine, previously a male-dominated profession, has experienced a significant increase in the number of women studying at veterinary colleges and practising in all fields of the profession. In Canada, and in the United States, women constitute approximately 80% of the veterinary college student population. Forty-three percent of practising veterinarians in Canada are now female, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/15 04:56 AM
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Australia
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/15 04:49 AM
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The women lost 50% in the first semester and were halved again by the time we graduated, i think there were 3 in my year. I've seen the same attrition rates at several leading universities and heard from colleagues who attended others that it is the same across the board.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/15 04:44 AM
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It's more acceptable for women now, but until recently it was seen as "no job for a lady". I dispute that. I know a few women older than you who did vet science. And when I went through uni (again older than you) there were plenty of female vet students AFAIK.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/15 04:36 AM
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Therefore it is also not selfish or cruel for a husband to deny his wife a MMF threesome. So what was the point of your question? Unless you mean to imply that it is ok for a wife to deny but not ok for a husband to deny, in which case please explain the inequality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/15 04:01 AM
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One day the husband suggests a FFM threesome to the wife. The wife, has not expressed a desire for a threesome, with any combination of genders before. The wife says "no fucking way!" The feminists egg her on "you go girl! Don't let any man tell you to have sex if you don't want to." So, is denying your husband of this opportunity selfish or cruel in any way?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/15 12:16 AM
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I've noticed this a lot. If you disagree with a feminist it "must be" because you're sexist or misogynist or supporting the patriachy, rather than because you plain old disagree with them. Many feminists hold a steadfast assumption that they are universally objectively "right"... even when they disagree with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/15 12:06 AM
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If "sexism" by definition equals wrong Your assumption is wrong. Why is sexism automatically wrong? You have not established that assumption yet. On the other hand, if sexism wasn't necessarily wrong all the time, then would be no reason to avoid it!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/15 11:54 PM
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But that seems to be at the core of what you won't swallow. That at the end of all of this self-change, you might not want her. Yes, perhaps that is it. Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
/r/MarriedRedPill02/03/15 08:35 PM
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I've got to say that you guys act like the biggest bunch of babies I've seen in a long time.
/r/MarriedRedPill02/03/15 06:05 AM
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Instead of hypotheticals, what areas in your marriage are you unhappy with? It's pretty close to this area. But honestly, with all the rude and obnoxious responses I've gotten in MRP today why would I open up about my life any further? Edit: you know what, never mind. I'm indifferent to the vitriol that some of the posters have been responding with anyway :/
/r/MarriedRedPill02/03/15 05:43 AM
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Ok fair point I have not read that particular book yet.
/r/MarriedRedPill02/03/15 05:36 AM
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I agree with your first four paragraphs. But then we get to this bit which is specifically related to my original question: Likewise if you hit on your wife and she says no to sex. You dont have a hissy fit, which will make it into a bigger thing. You just be cool. I'll agree that I shouldn't have a hissy fit in this situation - there's no argument there. But a key part of the "be cool about it" advice for regular, bachelor TRP is you can "next" the girl pretty easily if she does this a few time…
/r/MarriedRedPill02/03/15 03:19 AM
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But you are such a good teacher! FFS I come in here and ask "before I take the pill I don't understand this bit can someone please explain it for me?" and you repeatedly insult me for asking a fucking question. No wonder other people call terpers morons.
/r/MarriedRedPill02/03/15 12:51 AM
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As I said to you above, I'm trying to be sold on swallowing the pill and joining MRP.
/r/MarriedRedPill02/03/15 12:47 AM
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You are imagining the perfect relationship and the awful Ogre man is being mean and hurting her feeeeeewings. I am not worried about hurting her feelings. I am worried about hurting my feelings.
/r/MarriedRedPill02/03/15 12:44 AM
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instead of being angry or resentful, you accept it and then YOU go do what it takes to be happy. So basically be indifferent to her. What you are wrong about is that you think TRP is about making her do what you want. No that's incorrect. I think that part of TRP is getting what you want by being indifferent to the person who will give it to you. That strikes me as a bit of a pointless exercise, e.g. "thanks for making my favourite dinner but I didn't really want it anyway." It seems you just ha…
/r/MarriedRedPill02/03/15 12:37 AM
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With respect, that is not what I asked.
/r/MarriedRedPill02/03/15 12:32 AM
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Once she sees you accomplishing goals and realizes that you're fine with or without her sex, she will feel some dread and find a strong need to mark you as hers and take care of her man, knowing that her sex is no longer your priority. Doesn't that imply that I don't really care if I get sex from her or not? If so, what is the point of all of this if I'm not that into sex with her anyway?
/r/MarriedRedPill02/03/15 12:31 AM
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As I said in another reply, I'm not trolling. I'm somewhat disappointed that you think that, since you have replied several times.
/r/MarriedRedPill02/03/15 12:29 AM
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Outcome independence means that you are indifferent to her actions, not to her as a person. I don't understand the difference.
/r/MarriedRedPill02/03/15 12:28 AM
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You lead, she follows. When she contributes positively to your journey, she gets to be a part of it. When she doesn't, you continue on the journey without her. It's up to her to follow or be left behind. That is a good way to put it. I can understand this. I am not sure if it directly applies to the question I posed but I will certainly think about it. Thanks.
/r/MarriedRedPill02/03/15 12:24 AM
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Well aren't you a lovely, welcoming chap. You sell MRP really well you know.
/r/MarriedRedPill02/03/15 12:20 AM
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If you react to a woman's denial of sex she will see you as the little boy whining about being denied his candy. It is how she is programmed. Yes I can understand that. So you're saying to react with indifference, but that is not the same as being indifferent to your wife overall? Can you point me to any further explanations that explain it a bit better because I am struggling to see a significant difference between the two. I don't have kids, so maybe what you're saying is to treat your wife li…
/r/MarriedRedPill01/03/15 10:45 PM
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Now about becoming indifferent. I can see how at the red pill you would have that, as there is also a disdain for women. But here, for me, that is not the case. Thanks for your genuine reply. Let's assume that I am not in the fat, unhygienic unattractive camp. So, can you explain further how the indifference part does not apply at MRP?
/r/MarriedRedPill01/03/15 10:32 PM
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Every action is manipulation. I disagree. Charity is a good example. In any case, while I am fine to create boundaries, improve myself, etc, I don't really want to be with someone whom I have to continually manipulate to keep me happy - and the moment I stop do that she will go back to not wanting sex again etc. That strikes me as very much like princess entitlement mentality, just with the genders swapped.
/r/MarriedRedPill01/03/15 10:30 PM
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If that is the only choice available then I might find it more palatable to go my own way instead.
/r/MarriedRedPill01/03/15 09:48 PM
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I'm not concern trolling. It's literally the only thing that is holding me back from MRP.
/r/MarriedRedPill01/03/15 09:40 PM
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Instead Dread Game shows her that, while you care, you have options, and if she isn't willing to get with the program you can find someone who will. While I greatly prefer my wife, if I became the best version of me that I can be (by focusing on me, not her) and she still isn't into it... time for us both to move on. It's still a manipulation of sorts. It's aversarial - it's playing against your partner rather than playing with them as part of the same team. And it's that adversarial nature that…
/r/MarriedRedPill01/03/15 09:09 AM
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Ok I looked up your post but I still don't understand: Become Outcome Independent by focusing on self improvement, which is all under your control. Don’t worry about your wife's actions, she isn’t under your control. Why would I have ongoing and repeated sexual desire for someone whom I have trained myself to not care what she does or does not do? Why would I desire a LTR with someone whom I am not emotionally invested in?
/r/MarriedRedPill01/03/15 08:59 AM
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in many jurisdictions prior consent has no bearing on sexual activity, including "pre-arranged" consent. Brilliantly said. Which effectively renders the BDSM safe word useless in virtually all forced sex fantasy scenarios.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/15 03:55 AM
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It does still, in fact, work that way Bzzt, incorrect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof#Legal_standards_for_burden_of_proof Alarmingly, colleges use the "preponderance of evidence" standard for their Title IX rape allegations, so if the (often biased) assessor is 51% sure that you raped someone, you're out on your ear buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/15 03:43 AM
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I absolutely believe that the safe word argument is a credible defense. I don't. I have no idea why it wouldn't be. How about all those men who get thrown out of US colleges without a fair trial in Title IX kangaroo courts. If you were a man in college, and a woman wanted to really fuck up your life, she could say "let's reenact 50 shades of grey - it's ok we'll use a safeword", and then later change her story to lodge a complaint at the Title IX office and you would get booted out without a fai…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/15 12:39 AM
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I would like to note that he was never convicted of anything, so my point stands But he was kicked out of college wasn't he? And that will go on his permanent record meaning no other college will ever admit him either. It's not an isolated case, BTW.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/15 12:34 AM
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I said: I can make [a] compelling argument about why there are few women in STEM ..., but the feminists will not accept that. And lo and behold - you didn't accept it. Thanks for proving my point for me... and yet, you expect me to believe your explanation about women in college in general. Please tell me why I should accept your explanation when you make no effort whatsoever to even consider mine? i.e. "it makes me laugh" Since you assert that women do like the work, perhaps you can provide som…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/15 02:43 AM
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Well that's a very good example of "if women are ahead, it's fine as it is". If feminism claims to be for equality, then it's feminism's job to fix this. If it's not feminism's job to fix situations where women are ahead, then feminism cannot claim to be for equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/15 12:38 AM
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I can make an equally (if not more) compelling argument about why there are few women in STEM (hint: it's because they don't like the actual work that is involved), but the feminists will not accept that. And actually I think your reasoning is completely wrong. Men enter college at much lower levels because they are taught they are not really capable of it by a school system that is feminised and heavily skewed towards girls. By the end of school many boys have become disenfranchised with being …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/15 12:30 AM
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In no particular order: As a man, you need to have a decent job to attract a LTR in the first place. It's not just the money, it's also the drive and ambition. As general rule most women won't marry a man knowing that they will have to support him. Hypergamy. Not saying it is bad, just that it exists. The rate of divorce is a lot higher for SAHDs. So you probably don't see them because they mostly end up single fathers instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/15 12:11 AM
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I think it's very common. For example feminists complain endlessly about not enough women in STEM, but remain very silent on the fact that women are the majority of college graduates overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 11:30 PM
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A mother in law, LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 11:06 PM
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I believe that /u/JP_Whoregan already provided an example wherein men often don't. You would need to explain what kind of comfort and security men actually get from marriage, because I can't think of any that generally apply. Because of hypergamy the man has to earn more, so he doesn't gain any financial security. For the same reason since he has to provide the majority of the money, any consumer "comforts" like a bigger house or better furniture will be largely the fruit of his work. If there's…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 06:22 AM
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Comfort and security? Actually that is what marriage offers women. It originated as a historical benefit anyway back from when they could not work past the wedding day etc. Now it persists because of hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 06:00 AM
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If I recall correctly, they have less sex as well. "Lesbian Bed Death"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 05:56 AM
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And yet the men seem unable to respect a woman's career accomplishments on the premise that it makes her less attractive. You seem conflate "don't respect" with "don't care about". However, there are plenty of men who won't date women with high-powered careers, and this is for two main reasons: The woman's career leaves little time available to actually interact with the man, and he becomes the lowest priority. It's not about the career per se, it's really about the woman being a control-freak w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 02:39 AM
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It would be like if I went to college, spent thousands of dollars on tuition, spent hundreds of hours going to class and studying, and then one day during my junior year, the school kicks me out of college and sends me home, for absolutely no reason at all. But the school is going to keep sending me a tuition bill, even after they kick me out. If you're in a US College and a female student makes a harassment complaint against you, this actually happens. Except for the ongoing tuition bill part t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 02:31 AM
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I guess I should say something given that's it my reply under the linked comment that is alluded to. A couple of points: In this comment I talk about how women are unique and have plenty to offer, but some men won't step up because those things are "low priority." I said it before and I'll say it again - you're offering the wrong things. Your argument is like trying to offer a new car to someone who can't drive. No matter how much you dress it up, that person who can't drive has no use for the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 02:23 AM
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I'm going to have to look into this. It's not that hard: Everybody loves Raymond, Homer Simpson, Phil in Modern Family, Peppa Pig. A few secs on Google reveals: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/14/1119939/-Selling-Stupid-Men-Advertising-and-the-Myth-of-the-Incompetent-Male# http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1290144/Why-DOES-TV-love-portray-men-idle-feckless-idiots.html
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 01:16 AM
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But you don't have anything constructive to say about all the points that were raised? Since you started the topic in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 01:03 AM
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Well that is not anywhere near equal representation. You're advocating 50% of the places for 10% of the applicants based purely on their gender. Further, please show where and how (in developed western nations) women who do want to study STEM are being actively denied from doing so. As far as I can tell universities are bending over backwards with women only scholarships etc but women still don't want the places, and even when they do take up the offers they then drop out pretty quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 09:51 PM
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No, they're not. Even when special efforts are made to recruit women into STEM they still drop out quite early.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 09:45 PM
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Yep. That's feminism in a nutshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 09:43 PM
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You just can't have a successful relationship with lazy unmotivated people. And you can't have a successful relationship with a selfish, control-freak, narcissistic princess either, so there you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 09:43 PM
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The point I was making is that someone who does want to do a job will generally produce better work than someone who does not. I can't see how that is insulting. Uh..it doesn't look like feminism is literally forcing women who hate STEM into those careers. and yet, forcing places to be specifically set aside for women don't really want to take them up is what you advocated: Even if women on average don't care for STEM as much, we should still push for equal representation ... which goes back to …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 08:11 AM
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But the biggest one is that men aren't stepping up. I find it quite a double-standard that if women are not all going into STEM or becoming CEOs or politicians that they are not to blame - it's the fault of the patriarchy. But if men are not all getting married then they are to blame. How nice it would be to say that there are few women scientists, CEOs and politicians purely because women are not "stepping up" and that was the end of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 06:35 AM
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Even if women on average don't care for STEM as much, we should still push for equal representation So force women into careers they don't actually like doing. Yeah that sounds really fair on them. And each woman who didn't really want to be there and is not very interested is doing that job instead of some other male who really wanted the job and would have been more dedicated to the task. So we get inferior work being performed too. Way to go feminism!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 06:25 AM
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I don't think feminism has ever been about going against biology. Yeah it does. That's why we have all these studies about girls playing with dolls and boys playing with trucks, and feminists wanting to "de-gender" the girls and boys aisles at the toy store. It's also why we have this massive hoopla about the lack of women in STEM despite the fact that most women don't like that type of work.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 04:43 AM
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a lot of men today are becoming lazy and deadbeats. More men live with their parents, play video games all day, and don't have good careers. Men need to recognize that women are indeed unique and they should accept us for who we are ROFL. Note the irony here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 04:34 AM
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Perhaps I should have been a little clearer, those things are fine, they're just low priority to us. That's all. Actually on that list you could just pick any half of the attributes and that would be perfectly fine, for example there are plenty of women who manage to get married without being college educated, and there are plenty of women who don't have a job but they're still married somehow. NONE of these things interest you? Only sex? Its not that they don't interest us, just that they're re…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 03:52 AM
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I'm educated, have a job, and have a loving boyfriend. I'm independent, ambitious, and a proud feminist. I have hobbies. I can socialize with others and have a good friend circle. That's all great if you're applying for a job or a home loan. But as requirements for a wife go, those things aren't very high on our radar. Many women seem to think that what they themselves look for in a husband is what men should want to look for also. Well, men don't look for those things as a general rule. They ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 03:36 AM
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I had the notion that if you weren't a feminist, you were a woman hating fuck head I've heard this sentiment expressed quite a few times - if you're not for feminism then you are automatically a misogynist somehow - with no wiggle room for anything else e.g. to be neither of those. I don't know how people can hold such a reductionist view of the world - to me it says a lot about their entitlement issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 03:16 AM
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Oh man, the title promised doxxing, and more! Could you please explain the difference between circlejerking and agreeing with someone's post, or point me in the direction of an existing explanation? And why no downvoting?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 01:11 AM
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I said she was a prominent feminist journalist. And yes in the last few years she has become quite prominent in feminism. She writes for many more publications than just Mama Mia, and she gave a TedX talk recently. That particular article was syndicated across lots of publications. I don't know how you can call a prominent news anchor a "fluff journalist". That sounds very demeaning to her professional accomplishments. Talk about not taking women in journalism seriously...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 08:29 PM
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Yeah, finally someone admits that feminism is not about equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 05:39 AM
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Actually feminists are more than happy to reinforce the stereotypes when it suits them. Exhibit A by a prominent feminist journalist: http://www.traveller.com.au/i-dont-want-my-kids-sitting-next-to-a-man-on-a-plane-375z6
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 05:35 AM
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Hang on, you were the one who first said the quotes were from scientists. Now you change your mind and decide it's a philosopher instead. And from her Wikipedia page Luce Irigaray is also a psycholinguist, psychoanalyst and sociologist so she would be abundantly aware of the basic scientific method and basic statistics. Those stats I listed earlier are not from "randoms". They are from leading feminists who either ignorantly or willfully (or most likely both) pushed them out into the mainstream …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 02:31 AM
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Take what back? If someone else makes a really stupid comment then I should retract my reply to them? That makes no sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 12:19 AM
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With all due respect, sometimes people make really dumb comments and/or blatantly ignore the other person's point (without debating it). What do you suggest in such circumstances?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 10:36 PM
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I don't think that someone who claims that E=mc2 is a male-biased equation is very representative of feminists Apparently neither is Valerie Solanas or Andrea Dworkin when it suits feminists to roll out the no true Scotsman fallacy. I agree with /u/homo_homini_lupus' comment. Feminism has such a bad reputation in the rest of society due to very outspoken nutters such as these.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 10:28 PM
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Ha! A scientist so experienced that they believe that e=mc2 is sexist because the speed of light is part of the patriarchy or something equally stupid like that. Is that the better result you're talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 10:19 PM
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They are not trying to say we shouldn't use science but that parts of science, including methodology and the politics employed by scientists are biased and produce biased results. They're interested in producing better results. Oh, like 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted at college, 1 in 3 college men would rape if they could, or women earn 77 cents in the dollar for the same work? Yeah those results by feminists are really accurate ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 05:08 AM
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Can you please cite a study indicating social skills are intrinsically linked to an appreciation of Feminism? Here is a good example of how feminists all have excellent social skills: http://youtu.be/GVuK44kWgxk
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 04:46 AM
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Also, spend your free time working to accomplish something that's actually important, instead of just chasing instant gratification. That is TRP 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 01:39 AM
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Be a "nice guy", and one day someone will definitely like you for just being yourself. ROFL.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 01:38 AM
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Haha true! ... And how you're so much better than they are, but we just don't want to employ you in "that way".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 10:46 PM
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Yes, very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 10:28 PM
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I have three kids who have five parents, more or less Better start saving for all the therapy they're going to need...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 02:04 AM
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Male: "I'm unemployed and poor. I want a job because being poor sucks." Response: "Oh, you want to figure out how to manipulate some employer into giving you money while you sit on your ass all day? Yeah, that's what I thought. Manipulation and money. Is that all you men think about?" Brilliantly put. I would add that if the male then goes ahead and works for free and later asks "do you like my work? Will you give me a job now?" he gets called an entitled Nice Guy (TM) who was just trying to man…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 02:00 AM
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Stop caring so much about others, put your needs ahead of others, and the world rewards you for it. It's so painfully obvious now. Just wanted to reiterate that this is exactly how most "progressive" feminists behave too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 01:50 AM
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From the paper itself: We hypothesized that risk sensitivity in humans ... Examples of such rare, high-risk, high-payoff gambles include mating and mate competition Last time I checked, marriage for an individual person was a rare, high-risk event with large repercussions. Learn to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 05:44 AM
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They get what they want They lose interest in sex They become attracted to someone else Sounds like a good justification for "treat 'em mean and keep 'em keen", i.e. (according to this) women are only attracted to that which they can't fully possess.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 02:16 AM
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Haha! I think the Borg is much more representative of feminists. Purporting to speak for all women and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 10:24 PM
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I just told you the names of the laws. Look them up yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 09:41 PM
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They are not voluntary codes of conduct. They are codifications of Title IX and "yes means yes" laws that are compulsory for colleges to implement and administer. No they are not criminal laws as such but it makes little difference when the university "court" is about to expel you for something you didn't actually do and without due process.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 04:11 AM
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If you're a college student then they are the law. Male students have been expelled, lost their education, and therefore lost their ability to get a job due to cases exactly like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 11:42 PM
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It doesn't matter what your opinion is if the law says otherwise. Unless you are going to lobby to have the law changed. I guess you could talk about why you think the law is wrong and how it needs to change, but it's not my topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 10:10 PM
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I disagree; neither party raped the other. The various "yes means yes" and Title IX laws say you're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 09:57 PM
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Show me any jurisdiction that says that. See my quote from the Dean of Duke University, responding to a lawyer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 09:55 PM
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From http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/a-duke-senior-sues-the-university-after-being-expelled-over-allegations-of-sexual-misconduct/Content?oid=4171302 The difficulty of defining incapacitation and consent was underscored last week when Dean Wasilolek took the stand. Rachel B. Hitch, a Raleigh attorney representing McLeod, asked Wasiolek what would happen if two students got drunk to the point of incapacity, and then had sex. "They have raped each other and are subject to explusion?" Hitch asked.…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 09:50 PM
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So, how can a woman be sure that the man she is going to marry isn't going to leave her during tough times or when she is not at her so called 'prime'. She can't. And by the same token a man can't be sure that his wife will never leave him either, or will never get obese, or will never go off sex, or will never nag him into total defeat and depression. These are things that no one can guarantee, and even if they say "I guarantee" it's meaningless because they can change their mind whenever they …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 12:18 AM
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Young hot men want to sleep with me but they won't commit. What the hell do young male hotties want? They want to keep playing the field - sleeping with girls but not committing. They're already getting what they want. Why can't we have mail order grooms? We do. Mostly from very trustworthy places like Nigeria. Some of them are even a prince!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 11:11 PM
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Fine to say you don't need a man to survive, but then you might remain unwanted and alone and miserable the rest of your life because you just don't get what it is that men like. But then I guess that is exactly the stereotypical image of a feminist after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 10:57 PM
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You know that's a very good point, if being a nice guy does not "entitle" a man to sex, then being a career woman or financially independent or whatever extraneous quality she thinks is more important than looks and horniness does not entitle a woman to a committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 10:49 PM
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the royal commission into sex of fences within the Catholic Church That was about child abuse. changes to work choices legislation under Gillard to be of disproportionate benefit to men Any purported benefit to men is a secondary side effect and not by design. And if I recall correctly the outrage was about how low income earners were worse off, not women specifically. whilst the parental leave scheme brought in by Rudd and Gillard was much more gender neutral than the Abbott one. So how does th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 10:44 PM
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Very well said. I've read countless sob stories from women who claim they are independent, smart, got a degree or two, good job, own a property, etc but yet they can't find a "decent" man. All the attributes they list would be great if they were looking for a job or a bank loan, but men generally aren't interested in those things, or least if they are, then those things are optional but not sufficient. The women concerned never seem to get this - men don't want to date your CV or resume.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 02:01 AM
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Huh? What has anyone in the Handbag Hit Squad done to directly improve the lives or rights of men specifically? Not as part of a trickle-down effect designed to benefit everyone (men and women alike) within their respective portfolios.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 01:57 AM
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How is being expelled, having your name dragged through the mud, being prevented from applying to any other college because of your record, being denied a career because you can't get qualified, all due to a false allegation with no evidence not a bad thing? I'm all for preventing rape, but you don't throw out all mens rights in the process. And that is exactly what has happened here. Harvard Law professors wrote an open letter saying "this is wrong" - that tells you that feminism has gone far b…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 10:14 PM
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Men working themselves to the bone ... is what feminism wants to change. Show me. Show me where any prominent feminism lobbying or activism has sought to specifically change laws, rules, etc directly for men's benefit. Not indirectly though some trickle-down effect, but directly seeking to help men specifically. Too bad if a woman wants to work and a man wants to raise their children. Too bad biologically speaking actually. Numerous studies have confirmed that if a female is the main breadwinner…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 10:04 PM
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If women weren't seen as inferior, no one would care sideways about feminism seeking equal opportunity for all genders. I disagree. I (and many others) believe that the most active branches of feminism are going far beyond equality to entrench a specific brand of female privilege. And we care about it because the rest of us don't want our rights stripped away in the process. A good example of this is Title IX in US colleges, where men can be expelled from college on virtually no evidence whatsoe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 09:30 PM
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“How could it have come to this – and so quickly? Not even a generation after the women’s movement fought for the right for married women to keep their jobs, to have equal access to promotion, and to be paid the same as men, scores of women are walking away and saying, ‘We’d rather be Mummies.'” -Anne Summers "giving up everything to devote oneself to unpaid domestic work is 'self-sabotage'" -Clementine Ford "as feminists, we are too often pandering to a neoliberal viewpoint that ultimately deva…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 09:24 PM
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Yeah it does actually since he is still a politician. Pauline Hanson is still relevant too for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 09:16 PM
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Yes! That quote really hits the nail on the head.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 08:51 PM
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Dworkin was still alive and commenting well past 2000, and her quotes and beliefs are still cited by many feminists today. That makes her totally relevant. Gail Dines book "Pornland" was only published in 2011, so I can't see how she's ancient history. The others I have not bothered to check.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 08:38 PM
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Those things are a bit different to the 'sexual preferences' being discussed. Perhaps you missed this bit: Common lesbian-feminist critiques leveled at bisexuality were that bisexuality was anti-feminist Me: "And I want a kind and considerate feminist who will choke me and fuck me within an inch of my life!" :) Sexual preferences are seperate to politics. Once again, perhaps you missed this bit: A number of radical feminists, such as Andrea Dworkin and Susan Griffin, regard BDSM as a form of wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 08:30 PM
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Then you have different beliefs to many (most?) other feminists: From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_sexuality Common lesbian-feminist critiques leveled at bisexuality were that bisexuality was anti-feminist A number of radical feminists, such as Andrea Dworkin and Susan Griffin, regard BDSM as a form of woman-hating violence, Many feminists consider strip clubs to be insulting to women's human rights and dignity. Feminists and women's rights activists in Iceland succee…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 04:51 AM
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Ha ha! This rabid exclusion of an entire class of women [by feminists] is usually a belief based on misplaced uptight morality. From Urban Dictionary
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 03:41 AM
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Feminism is about personal choice. Bzzt! Incorrect. Feminism is about choice within one of the "approved" list of choices that feminist activists deem "feminist enough". A quick google provides some interesting articles that back this up: 'The Feminist Housewife' Is Such Bullshit The Trouble With Choosing Your Choice Feminists Limit Women's Choices The last one is particularly good.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 02:45 AM
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On the whole I would say no, because one of the fundamental traits of feminism is (in a lot of people's opinions) always acting in self-interest. To make someone else happy you have to act in their interests every now and then, and this seems to be in direct opposition to the main slogan of feminism - "do whatever you like girl, and don't do anything that other people tell you to do (even if it is in your best interests)". If you ask me, if you claim to be a feminist and genuinely want to please…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 11:09 PM
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So, to contract, "Be someone worth dating". Some famous advice is: Be attractive. Don't be unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 10:55 PM
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This crack is videogames, porn, and estrogen pumped processed food mixed with adoral. Then your going to tell these guys that women are equal (but also smarter) I agree. There is already a lost generation of young men and this will only get worse. and that it's ok for them to just be themselves, do feminine things So they will do even worse with the ladies, and get even more bitter, and the cycle will just accelerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 09:56 PM
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I think he went searching for answers in TRP and did not like the answers that he found. It reminds me of Jack Nicholson shouting "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 04:40 AM
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I wonder when that'll end... It won't. Everything I've seen and read agrees with you. Women will just end up bitter and alone and a few of them will realise they were sold a lie, but only once it's too late for them to do anything about it. I mean, that Princeton alumnus told the college girls to make the most of their time there and find the right man because their odds would never be so good again. And feminists hounded her for pointing out the obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 05:38 AM
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What's the feminist endgame in your opinion? Bearing in mind that feminists are highly correlated with socialists, Marxists, etc, I would say that the end game of active feminists is George Orwell's 1984. With the feminists themselves in the inner party, other women in the outer party, and men being the proles. Bear in mind: Newspeak already exists. Political correctness has gone overboard, things like rape law can't be taught in some law schools, and we have blanket meaningless phrases that are…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 05:25 AM
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So you are saying that men select for who they would sleep with and women select for who they would sleep with, and that women are more selective about who they sleep with? Yes. But I'm also saying that men are less selective not because it's their natural preference, but because beggars can't be choosers. This definitely cuts down on the propositions I accept. I'm sorry if my personal moral standards are such an affront to men who would rather I was freer with my vagina. Sure you as an individu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 05:07 AM
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Given that most of them want to be models I doubt it's a very big smear. Most of the top models have gone topless at some point in their careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 04:08 AM
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Given she's a political commentator I have never heard that. Her area of expertise is in sex and relationships, and she has decades of experience there. It might help for you to separate your issues a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 04:07 AM
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The equivalent of a woman saying yes to a man who she is not attracted to would be a man propositioning a woman that he is not attracted to. Men ask women that they're not incredibly attracted to all the time. In other words women can afford to be fussy about accepting yes, but men cannot so fussy about whom they ask. Men ask who they like, women accept those they like. Wrong. Men ask any woman with a basic level of attraction whom they think might say yes. Women only accept the best of the offe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 04:05 AM
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A shirtless man is not the equivalent to a shirtless woman in terms of shock value. Yes they are. Isn't that the point of the Free the Nipple movement?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 03:59 AM
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Well I would call most feminists batshit insane too so I guess insanity is subjective and in the eye of the beholder.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 03:58 AM
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Do you have a link to prominent feminists saying that? Not particularly prominent but here's a few links about eye rape/stare rape whatever you want to call it. https://imagininghappenings.wordpress.com/2014/12/17/to-all-the-men-who-eye-rape-me-and-the-blessed-ones-who-dont/ And then from here: https://forums.hummingbird.me/t/i-got-accused-of-stare-rape-today/18140 I was sitting in the back of the bus wearing my typical black hoodie with the hood up and my hands in the pockets, just minding my o…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 03:57 AM
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Got a source for that? Actually don't worry about it. It's not really relevant to her area of expertise. It would be like discounting everything a feminist academic said about feminism because she said 2 x Pi = 3.14 or something like that (as opposed to her data being biased and full of flaws, which is a valid and frequent criticism).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 04:35 AM
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If every 1 guy is going around fucking 10 women during his late teens to 30's, women are having way more sex in general than men. No. It means that in the relatively small pool of men having sex with women, the "chosen" men are doing it 10 times more often. For example if 8 out of 10 women are having sex, and they are doing it with 2 out off 10 men, then each of those 2 men is having way more sex than each of the 8 women. 4 times more to be exact. Hence you've proven my original claim for me - w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 04:33 AM
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Shirtless yes. Penises are equivalent to vaginas, so if you're going to go full nude then full nude for both I say! AND I would like to note that I don't know what the age of majority is the UK. So I am only agreeing to the 16 yr old bit on the assumption that it is the age of consent there rather than 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 04:20 AM
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Why? Because of the condescending tsk-tsking from the holier-than-thou feminists who are "better than that", or because they have been denied the ability to appear since the feminist thought police have taken that choice away from them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 04:16 AM
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Nup. Care to enlighten me?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 04:10 AM
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Your right to be offended (why?) doesn't trump their right to religious freedom. And your right to be offended by the morning newspaper does not trump their right to appear in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 04:09 AM
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I would not call her "batshit insane". Especially compared to some of the batshit insanity said by leading feminists. But then I guess to many feminists anyone who does not tow their line is apparently batshit crazy, because feminists never are (cough Valerie Solanas cough). A dress is not a yes. Neither I nor Bettina said it was. What she said was that it's "fuck no you don't have permission to look and I'll dangle myself right in your face to rub it in further"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 04:08 AM
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Cause it's only thought-rape when men do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 03:18 AM
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You don't have to buy that particular newspaper either. Freedom of religion was not the point - the point was their right to offend me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 03:18 AM
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What you are willing to eat is not mutually exclusive with how hungry you are, especially when you have no idea when your next chance for a meal may or may not come along.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 03:14 AM
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Women want sex as much as men. They just aren't willing to settle for less than perfect In other words no. Since women have far stricter criteria, and don't go out chasing those criteria but rather wait for the unlikely event that those strict criteria might turn up on their doorstep when and if they are in the right mood to accept it, then no women (on average) do not want sex as much as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 03:12 AM
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then the zillions of sex toys sold to women are actually being used as neck massagers The number of sex toys sold to women is pretty tiny compared to the amount of porn consumed by men if you ask me. And they're likely being used as paperweights.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 03:06 AM
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Short answer - no. Longer answer - some women have a high sex drive and some men have a low sex drive but they are both in the minority. And certainly, women's sex drive tends to decline much faster once they are out of their teens and twenties.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 03:00 AM
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NEWSFLASH: Men, Women are never going to stop thinking lustfully. That's thought-rape ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 02:53 AM
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Lots of men don't want to see half-naked sixteen year old girls in their newspaper either Lots of men (and women) don't want to see half-naked angry women parading down the street in a Slut Walk. And lots of men and women don't want to see women in burquas either for that matter. It doesn't mean those people don't have a right to do those things. That's what tolerance is, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 02:51 AM
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Men are permitted to say no to anyone as well. Yeah - if you mean say no to the sum total of zero women who approach them. Men do the asking, women do the approving. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 02:37 AM
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I am not sure if you are taking the piss or not :/ But if you are genuine, then your infantile use of olde English and profanities to describe women don't really help your credibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 02:32 AM
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Women already have control over male sexuality. From http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/busted-the-politics-of-cleavage-and-a-glance-20120210-1sy7e.html But when young women stand in front of mirrors on a Saturday night, adjusting their cleavage, seeking ever greater exposure, maybe they need to think more about what they are doing. While there are women who claim they dress sluttishly just to make themselves feel good, the fact remains that, like the [Slut Walk] protesters, the main message sent i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 01:42 AM
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Every golf club and other kind of sporting club that I have heard of admits women. Whether or not they can be full-blown members of a golf club I have no idea, but they are free to attend and play. And the local community clubs like football clubs etc definitely admit women members.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 01:22 AM
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Females already control male sexuality. True. Since men are the ones who have to the approaching the vast majority of the time, and men are the ones who get rejected the vast majority of the time, women are clearly in control. The image that comes to my mind is Caesar taking in the show and simply issuing a thumbs up or thumbs down.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 12:44 AM
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You're kidding right? In my part of the world there were relatively few male-only clubs to start with, and the assault has been on 100% of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 11:14 PM
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I think what we're really seeing is annoyance at having "our stories" being re-written to become "their stories" - male literature is being remade into gender-neutral and/or politically-correct literature that no longer focuses on the specific issues and situations faced by males. At the same time, literature for females is thriving (particularly in they YA sector). No one is trying to make that more inclusive or more "for everyone." Brilliantly said. Same as the all out assult to kill every mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 10:09 AM
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Firstly, I think that most reboot movies suck, so it's already at a disadvantage as far as I'm concerned. Secondly, the original movie was about boys and their home made gadgets running around like pretend soldiers slaying monsters. It wasn't really a men's movie - it was a boy's movie, and inspired about a million games in the back yard. No way in the world that a bunch of women can pull that off again IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 10:04 AM
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I believe the financial situations can easily be circumvented by an iron clad prenuptial agreement. Depending on where you live - probably false. (But I would say mostly false in most parts of the world) I've read here (and only here, not when I was studying Family Law) that most don't hold up in court -which, if true, is unfortunate. True. If that is not taught in family law then it really should be - whether it is deliberately omitted by biased lecturers or through their own stupidity is a mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 04:58 AM
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a male needs to earn his "real man" card from others and can have it socially revoked at any time. This is a good point. There is a rising masculinity crisis. Just Google "masculinity crisis" or "male identity crisis" to see some how many men are losing their way in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 08:42 AM
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Where is the systematic disenfranchisement? Is it in the divorces and custody? Partly yes, but not only. Since you mentioned that, let's start there. In most western countries the practice of law is different from the statutes (probably the same in other countries too but they have a whole different system of biases). As a woman, if there are children you are almost guaranteed majority or sole custody. You have to be a pretty fucked-up mother for this not be granted. So most men don't ever bothe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 08:29 AM
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They're called hardcore feminists and later, spinsters. I don't necessarily agree with that. True, some hardcore feminists swear off men, but others are lesbians (nothing wrong with that, just saying) and some have beta husbands whom they beat into submission. And there are other women who aren't hardcore feminists but never found Mr Right either. There are lots of stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 08:07 AM
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I think the important part is that it's men dropping out because they are systematically disenfranchised in dating, marriage etc. The woman might have had a hard time too but that's not the same thing. I'm conscious here that feminists use the same arguments against the patriarchy and I guess I'm saying that just like feminists say that the patriarchy only systematically disenfranchises women, in the same way the modern relationship world (including the legal system surrounding it) only systemat…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 05:55 AM
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Haven't read the book but it sounds like Christian Gray has money, preselection (other women want him), and he's physically attractive. Got to agree with you there. I was just going to write "because he's rich" :)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 04:00 AM
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My understanding of MGTOW is that they drop out of the dating market because in their opinion dating, relationships and marriage are all stacked against them and they do not wish to be part of that any longer. AFAIK what they choose to focus on afterwards has nothing to do with it, it's more about them leaving a system which they feel systematically disfranchises them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 03:48 AM
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Can I say WGTOW is just plainly women turning down every man that approaches them, and therefore is just business as usual and nothing out of the ordinary?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 03:13 AM
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1 “Hot girls” are not another species of human completely devoid of insecurities and other human emotions. Putting a “hot girl” down because you think she must get complimented all the time, acting aloof and uninterested to attract attention, and being rude or mean because you assume she’s catered to will NOT work. Then please explain TRP's success. Not that I necessarily find the methods particularly pleasant, but the more I hear (especially from women) the more they make sense. 2 Not every wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 06:01 AM
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I don't understand. How the f- does one marry oneself?! Isn't that inbreeding? And what if you don't like yourself and want to divorce yourself but the other you isn't agreeable? This is starting to sound like Gollum. Now that makes more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 05:17 AM
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If you are nice just to get sex, as evidenced by the nice disappearing as soon as sex is denied, then you are an asshole. So the difference between a "nice guy" (aka asshole) and a genuinely good guy is whether or not the woman decided to have sex with him. Because the guy you denied sex became pissed off because he was angry but the guy you actually had sex with stayed charming and lovely cause he succeeded at bedding you. Thank you for clearing that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 01:29 AM
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I have dated and ultimately had sex with someone because they were kind, interesting, funny, etc. In other words - nice. Every couple in my circle is together for similar reasons. So every case you know the guy was kind, interesting and funny first (i.e. nice). You meet someone and have fun together, develop emotional intimacy, then physical intimacy. So please explain how you have fun with someone and develop emotional intimacy with them if they are not nice? Or is it the case that your guy, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:58 AM
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Nice is part of being a basic decent human being. I disagree. There are people who are nice to your face but would cheat you behind your back, that's not decent. Likewise there are honest, decent people who are simply not nice or pleasant. Pretending to be nice just to get in someone's pants is shitty Care to give us an alternate course of action that does work to get into someone's pants then? (Specifically to get into women's pants that is.) Specific instructions would help greatly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:43 AM
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"I was nice and now you're going to have sex with me, right?" You can tell "nice guys" because they are the ones who get angry when they hold the door for a girl and don't get a blowjob. Yeah cause it's drummed into them that the way to a woman's heart (and panties) is to be nice to them first. Unfortunately this advice is wrong, so these guys who are often highly intelligent and highly logical get very upset and confused when it doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 02:10 AM
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Niceness is overrated. You are right, even though that is what many women say they want. Men are judged more by what they do than what they say. Your example about the salad illustrates this perfectly. my aversion to "nice" guys is based on my suspicion that their "niceness" is really a guise for the ulterior motive of . . . well, you know. So the "good guy" does not want to also... well, you know? But in that case you did not say that you are turned off them. Generally speaking, men don't get t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 04:46 AM
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This article is mainly just one big logic fail. For example: I sometimes ask him what brought him to my door... Some are... married, and looking for something that their wives can’t or won’t provide... Many men are too shy or awkward, or simply too busy to find a partner, let alone one who shares an interest in kink. So she is confirming that most women will not permit these men to express their sexuality in these ways, in so far as they will not participate but instead force the man's desires u…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 01:02 AM
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