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They were freed because prosecutors could not prove anything, even in a shithole corrupt country like Rumania they could not find ways to keep them trapped in the country as they wanted. The Tates are assholes, but being an asshole is not a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 08:04 PM
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How do you defend capitalism, the economic system where wealth gets hoarded by the top 1% (an actual literal metric as opposed to the fabricated "top 1% of men"), but have issues with it being unequal in the dating world? Socialism and Communism do not guarantee equality, and in fact they are worse because they kill mobility... you are born into the party or outside of it and there is very little chances to go up. Widespread capitalism lifted from poverty more people than any other economic syst…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:31 PM
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If you don't want to be in your own if a pregnancy happens, there's a very simple solution. Don't have sex with uncommitted men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:15 PM
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Still no evidence lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:14 PM
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I see it does not affect me as the man, so.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:14 PM
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Even if it is emotional labor... so what? The guy may do it first, she may do it first. Why do men have to put all the initial inertia? Most women reject the idea of traditional dating on most aspects, so why is this an exception?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:12 PM
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The problem is that an internet profile or comment cannot reflect the complexity of a person. I may despise someone's views on something, but that person may just be ignorant or be selfish on that aspect, or I may be wrong after all... that does not say much about the rest of the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:08 PM
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You said the men worth dating are not cheating, but again, that is opaque information that is found down the line, so it is not relevant for attraction (assuming women care about that in the first place).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:33 PM
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Time for what? Calling your fling to get sex in half an hour? Don't be naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:31 PM
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True, but she may still not be worth the risk to social shame for rejection. It makes perfect sense if you consider the fact that women hate asocial men as a plague. Men with zero to low social ground will not risk getting a negative social score (pariah).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:27 PM
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On weight for attraction, I would be careful because a lot of people gain significant weight after they are in a relationship. It's a very liquid feature, only followed by age. Ugly people can cheat, get sex, etc. if they lower their standards enough. Polyamorous groups are basically clubs of uggos masturbating with each other. They are basically incels that found each other (and probably some drugs to dull themselves in the process).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:26 PM
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You can either focus on a strawman to feel better that the user you are discussing with, or actually answer the arguments... or ignore them. I'm sure almost everyone here is single or in a doubting relationship. Socialites are not known for being fans of reddit nor being terminally online.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:23 PM
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Sadly, being a good partner has nothing to do with sexual desirability, seduction skills, social life, etc. Otherwise cheating would not be such a widespread problem, or it would only happen in couples that are separated.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:20 PM
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I don't think anyone chooses lesbianism because they can't get a man, that's a crazy stereotype. Lesbianism is a terrible example, though. I was referring to bisexuals who may prefer heterosexual relationships because the privilege of heteronormality and fertility with it. But again, we don't live in a fair world. We may get the perfect partner, but it is unlikely we will get the perfect relationship, political family or place to live. It's OK to cope to a point! BTW I'm not saying women are the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:18 PM
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Long term, but sometimes it's too late when you find out :/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:15 PM
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The men who would simply replace a woman for a younger,more fertile girl are not "premium" men. Maybe not for relationships, but women don't know/care about that until it's too late. the premium men that the women are talking about are actually just decent human beings. Again, nothing to do with sexual desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:12 PM
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I'm pretty sure we are living in times with unique double-digit rates of autism, and technology is not helping develop over autistic-like shyness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:12 PM
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Men are too horny, and some men may actually like the difference of power over women lower their level. Besides, desirable men are way fewer than desirable women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:11 PM
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True, that is why dating is so important... although consider that a lot of people start cheating when the "magic" is gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:08 PM
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It's only the fuckboys who want to have lots of women chasing them. Not all attractive men are fuckboys, but almost all fuckboys are attractive or social enough to get women. You can be lucky and get the monogamous relationship with the man/woman you want, but you are removing that person from the dating market, leaving less desirable and less loyal people in the pool of that gender. Someone will be left behind! I think by definition premium men are faithful. The unfaithful men aren't premium, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:45 PM
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I wish you were right, but it is pretty clear that most heterosexual people consider a subset of the other gender as more attractive and desirable overall, so there will always be people left behind, unless your taste is extremely niche... which is a blessing from God. Being disloyal, promiscuous, etc. usually is only possible is the person is attractive in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:42 PM
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It does not matter. He can stay comitted if he wants, of find someone who wants it..., he has all the power over her. Women can have that power too over average men, so it is not that exclusive to any gender. Celebrities are not worse people... they just can do what we can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:10 PM
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Let's be honest... unless you get the best looking and best partner in the world, you will always be settling for less.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 06:09 PM
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This suggests that poor people have less access to birth control and family planning prevention + education. The argument for "lack of education" is condescending and stupid. Even people with a 70 IQ can use a donated condom or get sterilized after the first kid for free. They just know and still don't care. But I'm not talking about lack of birth control but serial polygamy. If you were right and women cared about a trustful guy but the guy has kids with different women, why do women keep fucki…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 06:08 PM
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I'm sure those are characteristics that are revealed by time. We cannot even know if our marriage will last months or forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 06:01 PM
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Agreed, but remember that is cope. Nothing wrong with cope from a humble position, but so many people try to lie themselves and other that "they didn't want it in the first place" after getting dumped.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 06:00 PM
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Yes, and that is cope, just as men who rely on prostitutes, asian girls, or porn. If you replace your standard because lack of options, then you are not really that powerful. Nothing wrong with accepting that from a humble position, but claiming "well, I'm better single" misses the point that you were just left behind and you are forced into the next best option.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:58 PM
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He still gets what he wants (prime pussy) while she only gets it short term. The number of women who believe they can fix players or even criminal good-looking men is scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:57 PM
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That's assuming an optimal configuration. Many women want to get a better man even than themselves if they can, sometimes they even share with no problem. Funniest example: https://www.yahoo.com/news/ai-brad-pitt-persuades-woman-133643251.html
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:55 PM
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I don't think most people choose someone they know is going to be unfaithful to them. Ok, so how do they use that possibility as a criteria to choose those men in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:53 PM
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I'm a supreme gentleman 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:52 PM
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I wouldn't consider a man who "replaced" someone with a younger, hotter version as a premium man. Me neither, but the same few men having 4 or 5 kids with different women suggests that many women don't care about that feature. Maybe they believe the man changed, or maybe they just want to have a good time and have no problem with sharing the guy. In any case, fidelity can be a façade, even in apparently good and average men, and it can fall out if they get options. Same for women, btw, although …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:52 PM
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Why do you think there's a drop in fertility rates? Because many of us don't wanna anymore That's a pretty much universal trend for both men and women, even partnered people. What sucks is to want to have that and not having it because you have no options or fertility. Applies too to both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:49 PM
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Ok, so good for them that hobbies can replace family and good relationships, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:48 PM
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To be fair to women, sometimes the only men who pick women are the ones who already are picking other women, and women refuse to actively go get good men themselves for relationships. So the result is that men who treat them as disposable get rewarded, and yet everyone is at fault... women for being too passive and good men for not being active enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:47 PM
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It depends on what options you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:44 PM
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yep, red flags
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:13 PM
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Anyone who have had male gay friends know how horny and promiscuous they are compared to lesbians. We also have to consider Testosterone increases sexual drive, and men usually have less immediate consequences for sex. It's not their fault 🥺
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:12 PM
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I'm not one of those guys. I'm a nice guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:10 PM
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I'm glad your man is good, but don't assume that fatefulness is a variable that determines attractiveness, since it's opaque criteria that is usually not obvious. Most men are assumed to be faithful until they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:09 PM
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Being a good partner is only a small part of attractiveness, though. Remember that being a good/bad partner usually is revealed way into the relationship. This applies to all genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:07 PM
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So do you agree most women have to either rent chad or get cheaper man?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:05 PM
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They usually make general claims about men/women. For not being interested in men, or even being lesbians, they seem to be very invested in this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:04 PM
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So you are saying that staying single is how women cope for losing on getting the best men? Why would it hurt to not be chosen with such shallow women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:03 PM
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Premium men are faithful, because unfaithful men aren't premium. So women choose men knowing they are unfaithful?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:01 PM
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Most posts like this are just autistic men rambling nonsense because they are unable to see the nuance of the world and have extreme black/white thinking. An example of black/white thinking is that "either I have the best man I can get, top 10%, or stay single forever"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:00 PM
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Women often say it as a cope. This is mostly a response to "I think a lot of people going forward have to just get over the idea of sex and relationships"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:59 PM
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Is it? Fees like cope. It must suck wanting to have kids and loving marriage and best thing is staying single.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:57 PM
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"alpha" males claim a lot of bullcrap and exaggerate a lot..., but even if faithful men are the men women want, there are not enough for all women who want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:50 PM
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Calling men / women on your lookmatch "shit" only implies you feel entitled to something you don't deserve. Life are tradeoffs, and that is OK. Not everyone can have their ideal outcome, but they can have the most optimal outcome for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:48 PM
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I'm never claimed women are shallow nor said they will end up alone. I'm claiming that there are tradeoffs on the relationships women choose, and if women are right about very few men being worthy of relationships, then there are very few women who will get lucky. Why attack the messenger? I may or may not be autistic, but does that make my argument any more valid/invalid?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:45 PM
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[women] don’t want men who hate them and see them as trophies to be won. Choosing men who every other women wants is indeed choosing men who are likely to see you as disposable. When are you Red Pill guys going to understand that you hold zero cards in today’s world? Guess women have no reason to complain then.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:43 PM
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https://relationshipsinamerica.com/why-women-want-to-get-married-more-than-men/
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:40 PM
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Staying single or dating women are perfectly satisfactory options for many women. Sure, just as porn and prostitution is enough for many men. Ideal? I don't think so, since it is mostly a secondary option. But I may be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:39 PM
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Can you be more specific on where I'm claiming such thing? My post is mostly descriptive, not proscriptive. I don't believe men or women can truly change except maybe individually, and barely.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:38 PM
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He married his looksmatch tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:37 PM
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It really doesn’t give men power because more women will just choose to stay single. If a woman wants to have kids and a loving husband, staying alone is a less-than-ideal option, just as men choosing porn or prostitution as a replacement for relationships. If your option is secondary to your preferences, then you are not that powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:33 PM
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My guy…most people end up with their looksmatch. Agreed! The threat is not about denying that, but about the claim that only a few men are "worthy of relationships" while also claiming women will have it better therefore. It's a tradeoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:31 PM
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Your comment is too vague. What is true? The claim I'm talking about, my claim about that claim, or your idea of the claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:29 PM
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Obviously I'm talking about generalities, not exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:28 PM
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I'm sure there is a grayscale between shit relationships and chad relationships. But don't expect to have great committed relationships with men that every woman wants, nor expect chad experience with a man in your looks match. If it makes you feel better, men also have their own tradeoffs. Ironic that "free sex" made the few powerful men more powerful and happier than ever in history.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:27 PM
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Either choose men on your looks match, or face the fact that "it's your turn, not your man". It's a tradeoff... just as a job. You can choose a less-than-ideal job or be unemployed. Very few people end up working and earning enough on what they love.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:25 PM
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God, you guys act like you don’t understand that women have made massive leaps and bounds in education and the workforce. I do recognize that, but women seem to give too much credit to educated labor, which ironically is the labor being automatize the fastest and also the most crowded industries. Having to work in McDonalds, having a Master Degree, with 15k in debt is not fun... but even if they get a professional job, they are often overqualified. So you have a lot of very resentful workers, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:30 PM
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If you’re looking at celebrities and other extremely wealthy individuals it definitely looks exorbitant for child support and alimony - but that’s not the reality for most people. Why is child support supposed to be relative to income? It makes no sense. A rich kid does not eat more than a poor kid, and if it is about lifestyle the rich parent can pay for the school or whatever directly, voluntarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:23 PM
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Alimony is rare. It should not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:22 PM
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Women are way more agreeable than men, and that is not always a good thing even when socially it earns points, it is not ideal for negotiation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:21 PM
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Yeah, it is better to have your own business. You don't have to make much money from it, just enough for yourself and your vices.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:18 PM
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There's no reward for adult existence. Sure, but for the same token there is no reward contributing to a society that gives you 1x for what others are given 10x for just existing. Women in any state are not trophies for adult existence, yes, even greatness. Women are people, not your reward for being an adult who makes smart self promoting decisions. In practice, most women are trophies and reward men they regard as winners, and want to be seen as such. Otherwise they would have no problem datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:17 PM
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As a female, you are talking from a position of privilege. You are given good treatment, protection, money and approval for just existing and having a womb. The "failure" you see in perfectly fine average men is the shadow of your own underserved privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:13 PM
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Considering almost half women over 30 will be soon childless, I would say women are the ones selecting themselves out of the gene pool even having way more options than men. Basically genetic suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:12 PM
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many men in history have contributed great things to society who did not have romantic relationships. Cucks
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:10 PM
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Focus on making money and contributing the least for a society that disavowed you. For instance, I want to be off grid, pay the least taxes, store money in other countries, be citizen of multiple countries (so I can run away), etc. The key here is to (1) be useful for yourself and people you love, but (2) be as useless as possible for a society that hated you. You can also router the resentment in less damaging ways than drugs or violence, such as never helping women, never speaking to women, et…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:09 PM
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Women want to be treated as royalty. For them, anything less than that is abusive and "inhuman" even when they treat most men as trash. Clearly they are not asking for equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 07:51 PM
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We are rediscovering Middle Eastern gender rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 07:50 PM
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Well, so far it seems to be the most likely explanation. If men are so lonely and yet they are still rejecting friendship with women, they probably have some solid reason to do it. Don't you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 07:19 PM
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It is true most couples work, but still most women expect men to earn more than them to the point they don't even consider men that earn less for dating. Meanwhile, men don't care as much, but the aggregate is that in most couples guys earn significantly more than women, and most divorces are associated with the man losing job. Obviously it is not the same as in the 1950, but the expectation for men is still there, just as women still today do more home labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 07:18 PM
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So, you don't agree that women prefer men to be the main breadwinners? Most women have no issues admitting they want a guy that earn more than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 06:25 PM
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It is not my intention to be mean. I'm trying to explain why so many guys avoid friendship with women, and I think they have a reasonable reason for it if the reasons I gave make sense. Still, many guys do have female friends with no issues. In any case, guys find relationships with women way more valuable than friendships, probably because keeping friendships is already very taxing, so why not better max it out with a full relationship? It is not women's fault. It is not guys fault. It is just …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 06:24 PM
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I find most guys boring, but women as friends as way more boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 06:22 PM
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The ego boost and knowing you were given the option is just as good, at least for me. Good point
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 06:21 PM
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Yes, but underdeveloped countries will soon have the same issues as developed rich nations suck their youth. There are simply not enough people being born to keep running the infrastructure and economy. I expect Countless ghost towns, people losing their home investment, forced to rent at expensive cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 04:10 PM
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HOT YUMMY YOUR LOSS
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 04:07 PM
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it does happen. my response has always been to show no reaction, finish the job, and gtfo and to the next job. Why not seize the opportunity?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 04:06 PM
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Good marketing idea: Male plumbers adopting a gender ambiguous or female name xD
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 04:04 PM
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HOT. Next time film it for extra money.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 04:02 PM
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Most men don't want to be house husbands in the way women are, they do want more time but they usually want their own business and doing stuff. Women also don't really respect house husbands. So I would argue women would rather stay alone than have house husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 03:58 PM
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the only good thing you see any relationship (including friendship) with a woman is if she touches your penis. That is reductionist, like saying that the only point of having support during an emergency or free therapy. Sure, it includes touching penis, but also a loving relationship, company, support... loving relationships and sexual interest are not just about sex, they imply so much more, even if there is no commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 03:51 PM
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Such system would make sense if we had a stable sustainable population rate, that grows only enough to replace people dying, but we don't. In the past it was obvious. Tribes with no children or no fertile women were doomed. Today, we are a mega-tribe, so it is harder to see the obvious, but the consequences will be the same at a scale never seen before.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 03:37 PM
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Yes, it makes more sense to have friends in your own gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 03:33 PM
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Depression in older women is mostly tied to hormonal changes, actually. So? Depression in men is tied to social expectations, divorce and rejection. Hormones or not, that does not make female depression any more valid than male Depression. But considering women receive so much social support and privilege, it is odd they are more depressed by just hormonal shift... but who am I to judge? If you exclude a whole group of people as a potential friend based on gender, or sexuality, or race, or class…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 03:26 PM
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The problem gets worse: fewer younger people keeping alive millions of retirees, retirees voting for sucking more and more money, younger people being unable to have children... it will all get worse. There is a simple solution, but people will not like it: Just let old people on their own and their own autonomous governance, and give options to their children to pay for them (if they have any children). We simply cannot pay for them and rely on their biased votes. Either this or extinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 03:13 PM
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The theory is that they just router that libido to those things rather than sex, but the libido is still there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 03:08 PM
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Because you don't see women as actual people, with their own individual strengths and weaknesses. Because people need community, and not just one gender as community. I don't get how this have to do with seeing someone as human or not. 99% of people are not your friends, that does not make them less human or less valuable. If by high maintenence you mean take effort, do you really not see the parralel drawn between female and male loneliness? Single women are less lonely, because of those deeper…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 03:06 PM
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Look up at this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:59 PM
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If men value female friendship, what are they complaining about?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:39 PM
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I hope that is the case, but seeing so many women complaining here about "men not valuing women as friends" it seems that is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:38 PM
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There is no difference in maintenance. I do t know where you are getting this from but it’s not from reality. So, what is your theory? Why do men don't value female friendship as much, if they are so lonely?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:36 PM
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Are you sure? Men are not just getting by, they are producing a surplus to be valuable partners, look better, have a good place, etc. Remove that drive and they will just have enough for themselves. Why spend on more clothes? Why go out more if they are doing fine online? Why spend more on a bigger house for a family, if just living with parents or in a motel is enough for one man?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:34 PM
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I doubt your girlfriends would want their husband to spend time with you alone, going out, etc. But I guess the dynamic of groups of friends is way fairer, to the point everyone sharing time together makes these differences less significant. Maybe that works and that is a way to make both male and female friends work together, in an honest and fulfilling way. I never had a significant group of friends, so I cannot say, but honestly if that is your view, as part of a group of friends, I think it …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:31 PM
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I'm sure most male hobbies don't bother parents, though. You can also pay some rent to parents, not nearby as much as renting elsewhere for just marginal benefits. For most of history also men and women stayed at home with parents until marriage, so it is not that strange, historically speaking. Shaming people for taking financially wise ways to save money, and on top of that be valuable company for their family, is a boomer thing. Ironic being called a "man child" for making financially wise de…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:25 PM
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I don't see how men bring more value to a friendship just for being a man. Same for women. Both genders prefer friends in their own gender. Don't you wonder why? Well, I think the reason is that you get better with people closer to you. Friendship is not a right. You don't have to be "fair" or even "rational" on your criteria. But honestly I do believe men, even being lonely or socially excluded, don't value female friendship as much because they feel it is exploitative.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:19 PM
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Yes, he is stupid. That is why most men don't value female friendship even for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:16 PM
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That is OK, if you don't trust male friendship, don't have male friends. In any case, it is mostly women who are dishonest in the sense they want male friendships for free ride, free food, free protection, etc. without giving back anything of value that the guy cannot get from male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:15 PM
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Actually over 80% of autistic men never get married. Consider that these men have the same looks of normal men... they may be muscular, tall, etc. and yet they lose by just being even slightly autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:14 PM
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My husband didn't try to befriend me and act like a friend for x amount of months before revealing his true intentions. Cold approach does not work for most men, but I guess that is what women want, that only men that can cold approach, approach (attractive men). In other words, it is just another shit test women use, while wanting the benefit of male company without any sexual reward back.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:12 PM
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People should be considered on an individual basis and not lumped into male and female categories to determine whether or not they could be a friend. Well, if there is a clear difference in maintenance and benefits by gender, it makes sense to consider such differences. If guys here can’t see women as people For most people, 99.9% of people we interact with are not and never will be friends. That does not make such strangers any less human.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:10 PM
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If male sexual drives keeps economy, and economy collapses as sex drives goes down, then crime will go up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:08 PM
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People ask why food is getting shit, why money is less valuable, why restaurants are slower and slower if technology is making us more efficient. Well, this is the answer. Technology and women are barely compensating for drop in male surplus, and it will only get worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:07 PM
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Yes, and that is a good. Women have always contributed and done important things for society, from having children to making clothes and secretaries, professionals, etc. That is not the issue. The issue is that society relies on a surplus of labor, and most of that surplus is from men. I guess this surplus is shadowed in the surplus of labor women do at home. Don't you find it odd that productivity has been stagnant for so long, even having all women joining more work and technology helping us p…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:05 PM
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society is built by people deciding what’s best for the majority and doing it LOL. Society is not a charity. It is built by the self-interest of many, men and women. The self-interest of men is getting laid, the self interest of women is usually getting someone to pay for their lifestyle, or getting "girl power" in a career or some shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:01 PM
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It is no different from women dressing for the occasion, making their hair, staying thin, etc. Sure, you may claim it is "for themselves" or "for other women" but we all know that no one needs to work hours to keep 20000 followers in Instagram if not for attention whoring and all the benefits of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:59 PM
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Nop. Many men could choose to live with their parents, for example, they don't because they want a family or a place on their own for brining women. If you remove that drive, why would they even leave their mother's house they live for free?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:58 PM
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I don't think that's entirely true because historically there were some rich eunuchs and there's rich gay guys. It is generally true, though. Observe almost all of the few rich gays are men who follow their passion for fashion or an industry, while many wealthy heterosexual men are just hard workers that don't necessarily love their job. Truth is that there are not enough men loving their job to sustain economy, and society does not need many celebrities or musicians.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:57 PM
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But men would also have twice as much time and energy to follow their passions, ideas and careers, so the other half would skyrocket. According to Jung and Freud, sexual libido is the same libido we have for energy of other things. If you remove sexual libido, you also remove that drive. That is why men are driven to do way more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:53 PM
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Literal human extinction. Women hate male sexuality but without it we simply would not reproduce. Remember we are barely reproducing now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:51 PM
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is better than a "friend" who only uses you as a free plumber. A heterosexual male friend is Free food, free mover, free car ride for her other friend... No wonder why women appreciate male "friendship" so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:49 PM
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We’re so lonely and don’t have any friends and it’s all women’s fault and women don’t care about male loneliness. They are usually complaining about not having loving relationships and dating, or at least equal friendship relationships, but men and women cannot have equal friendships unless the guy is gay (gay men call female friends for their bullshit on their face). Female friendships actually make men lonely, as they are used to be like boyfriends but with zero rewards, second class friends c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:46 PM
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Romantic interest may raise in the friendship, though. In any case, both friendship and romantic interest start in similar ways. You are just demonizing men for just having romantic or sexual interest, as if that was evil, when in fact it is required to continue the species. Very weird take, but natural from "holier than thou" inhuman feminist views. But honestly I don't see any value female friendship may provide that male friendship cannot. For men, female friendship is high maintenance (they …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:44 PM
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Females are not entitled to men's friendship. We not obligated to see females as friends just because they see us such. Why do women care so much about male friendship if they are praised for just existing by virtually everyone? It is like a rich person lamenting they are not making another million from poor people (men).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:39 PM
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Because from her side it was just friendship, but from hia side it was a "i pretend to be her friend, but actually i have feelings for her/want to have sex with her". You see who is dishonest here? You know, feelings can raise after friendship, and you have to be friendly anyway if you have dating interests. Observe that your scenario is just a lose-lose for men. There almost no way a man can date a woman that is not friend with, and you are basically asking men to censor feelings and romantic i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:38 PM
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Porn is way better than that, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:36 PM
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As I said in another comment, I honestly don't see any value men can get from female friends that they cannot get more or better from male friends. That is the simple reason why men don't really value friendships with women... at best you need a lot of time to keep the friendship running, at worse it is basically being a husband/boyfriend but with no reward. So men rather have male friends that don't ask as much. Some women say that it can help men get dates, but I disagree. Even if having a fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:35 PM
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Here is an idea for guys that want to fuck their women friends. Stop trying to fuck your women friends unless you start dating. I honestly don't see any value men can get from female friends that they cannot get more or better from male friends. On top of that, female friends are high maintenance, while male friendships can go dormant for years with no issues. Don't worry... women don't need male friends either.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:32 PM
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Considering lesbians have worse marriages than male gays and heterosexuals, maybe the variable that causes issues is not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:02 PM
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Yes, but on average that is not the case, and even middle aged women that are attractive are considered as such because they look younger. I mean, that is OK, maturity has its own benefits too... but on looks, well, looks of our culture are around the youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:00 PM
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Just because a guy is normal and “on my level” doesn’t mean that we are then compatible. There’s a lot more that goes into it Good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 12:59 PM
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Agreed, but I think women rather focus on the quality of things that usually have nothing to do with relationships, such as looks or height. I mean, genetically it makes sense: Reproduction only cares about genes, no matter how terrible the guy is, even criminals. This is human nature and sadly we cannot do much about it, and yet we have to if we truly want valuable relationships. Men also have their own fault on this, of course. Normally, women can create relationships with men their level if t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 09:08 PM
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But, let's be honest. The vast majority of single moms are not women who got married, had children with their husband, and then abandoned by that husband. Not to mention that most divorces are initiated by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 08:58 PM
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Ah so they are just shitty and misogynistic when they are single, much better. I'm sure misogynistic and violent men have no problem dating, though. That has nothing to do with sexual attraction for most women. Let me ask you, do you think women in real life should want to date you based on your real life persona? Why do you insist on putting it on me? If you don't have other arguments, that is OK, that does not mean you are wrong... no need to make it personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 08:58 PM
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No need for personal attacks. In any case, most of those guys are sad because they cannot get a partner, and that goes away if they get one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 08:51 PM
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...you gotta start wondering if it might be you that’s the problem. Women will say that about men who cannot get a man, but they will never admit it for themselves, even when it is the most likely scenario if most women do fine in dating and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 07:46 PM
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The problem is mixing categories, such as married/unmarried, widow/non-widow, divorced/non-divorced... so we get seemingly contradictory information about the issues. Unmarried Women Hit Hard by Poverty - Center for American Progress
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 07:43 PM
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Well, they do teach the ugly part of the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:15 PM
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RISUG Seems a good technology, but I don't think it is widely available yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:13 PM
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Is it odd I find financially literate responsible women as sexy?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:11 PM
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Guys here seem to signal they’re desperate but average men and friends would not want to deal with this type of person. So yes, women can be lonely too. It has a lot to do with exposition. If you are depressed you are less likely to go out, but I'm sure that a lot of men have no issues dating women with some mental issues. They can at best support you to find help, at worse not make it their problem but still not make it worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:07 PM
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Because women are way more privileged in dating world... even if they are evil, narcissistic, boring, etc. they can still get relationships. Meanwhile, for men they have to have the whole package, or at least look as such, and do ALL the work... so men are fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:06 PM
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Sure, but women have way more options than men. It is kind of absurd to assume there are not at least one man for you that is open to a serious and fulfilling relationship. Meanwhile, most men have to take whatever comes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:02 PM
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Although most can get unlimited casual sex if they are reasonable looking. But most crave committed relationships Still, women have more chances to get dates and interest by just existing. Even if they refuse to have casual sex, just having more options open them to the possibility of commitment. Imagine living in tutorial mode and finding a way to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:00 PM
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Same reason why middle-aged women try to look young, put layers of makeup, etc. even knowing they will never be more attractive than the average broke 20-something college student. Sure, they may never be young and beautiful again, but they can be the most beautiful in their age group and sexual market, and that is OK. Why is this even a question? Humans, men and women, are very competitive. Sure, not everyone can be on the top, but fortunately there are so many categories that you can be in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 03:56 PM
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Bob needs to get his skills up like Drake It is mathematically impossible for everyone to be rich. Sure, you can make everyone 100x richer relative to today, but still there will be a few earning more, so it is a win-lose game anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 03:53 PM
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Women say that having children and so makes them poorer, and yet unmarried childless single women do financially way worse than the first.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:41 PM
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So yeah, when men are measured to have twice the wealth of women, it makes sense for a social safety net to provide twice as much to compensate for the disparity. That is a weird take. Women are able to learn financial literacy, they are not mentally challenged to require such sexist adjustment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:41 PM
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The idea of a loneliness epidemic is a myth spread in order to escape from personal responsibility. Victim blaming is not good either. Loneliness epidemic can exist and be caused for lack of personal responsibility, but I would say it is more dependent on forces individuals cannot control because how prevalent the issue is in younger people. If it was just a personal thing, it would not be so concentrated in younger generations. Sure, there is some personal responsibility we have to take for our…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:37 PM
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Directly, no, Drake is not responsible for Bob. But collectively, many rich celebrities put money outside the country, basically removing wealth from circulation to avoid taxes, hurting society they sell their trash music to. On top of that celebrities often have the face to support greater taxes and regulations that make people as Bob not being able to save and invest enough money, while they have multiple citizenships where they can use tax loopholes and businesses that average people (even we…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:33 PM
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Republicans focus too much on personal responsibility, but Democrats go the other way around and love to blame the collective and often ignore all personal responsibility, to the point they defend dangerous criminals or want to lower their jail time. Call me enlightened centrist if you want, but both of those views are very extreme and incomplete.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:29 PM
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To me it sounds like you internalised the bootstraps mentality too much, and now you're using it to self-harm. You likely don't deserve to be lonely and miserable. Not everything is the fault of the individual, and even when it is, we are largely products of our environment. I find it odd that the people who love to fill their mouth with issues such as systemic racism, sexism, etc. also love to only blame personal responsibility for these issues, as convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:28 PM
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I mean, not to have enough for retirement at this point, but be on that path. For example, I have a IRA account, I also have some high risk investments such as crypto that did very well for me, enough emergency funds, etc. I'm way more likely to be retired well, if I continue this path, than someone that is on 30k debt and lives paycheck to paycheck. That is way better than relying on social security alone. I doubt only 1 million people in USA are this responsible. I know a few.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:15 PM
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This means married for 6 months? You get 3 months of alimony at the base rate. Marry an NBA player, actor or successful business man. Great! You only get base market rate. No more million dollar divorces. It makes perfect sense. Women love to talk about independence and self reliance but also love the millions they parasite in a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:10 PM
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Same reasons why marriage is often the best environment for children to be born, on average. There is more investment in the relationship, more legal mechanism to protect the person who is a victim if the couple breaks, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:09 PM
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In an actual abortion there is no child left to be harmed. You could argue killing disabled people also left no one harmed. That is what Canada is doing. I wonder, maybe post-birth abortion should be a thing? It leaves no one harmed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:07 PM
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Well, you don't have to be extremely wealthy. Just enough for retirement, having the freedom to not work for a few months, having no debt, maybe having a secondary income, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:06 PM
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Men don't really have many options on their choices and reproductive life, though. Women do enjoy the sexual power they have, they just also hate the responsibility that all power has attached to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:04 PM
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I empathize more with the children being used as tools of manipulation because "it is the most important person in this", while at the same time the same women tell themselves it is perfectly fine to kill them before they are born. I would empathize with women more if they were more morally consistent in this, just as they are in many other issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:02 PM
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Yes, shadow work helps a lot. Also a lot of therapists don't have the best interest for you to not rely on them anymore. If you develop valuable relationships, therapy should become less relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 09:09 PM
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but i cant ignore the facts that 90 percent of the time the mother is the better parent. Usually the closeness of the mother is considered "better" parenting, but truth is that financial security that is most likely provided by the father is way more important long run than just hugs. Men or women are not better parents, they just provide in different ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 09:07 PM
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It is a risk worth taking, rather than pay for a cheater kid for 18 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:34 PM
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It is a conspiracy between the state (to suck taxes from the man, or at least not pay for the bastard) and from the woman (to suck a man dry with paternity fraud).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:32 PM
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Women always have 100% certainty of maternity. Why shouldn't men with paternity? Exactly, this is the key. It is about equalizing paternity rights using tools we have already.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:31 PM
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If someone's actions don't give you any reason to distrust them Hard to believe there exist couple with such blind faith on each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:27 PM
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They basically believe women's words are Gospel. Imagine the layers of narcissism behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:26 PM
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This is what made me realize how selfish so many women are, borderline psychopathic. Paternity tests are a benefit not only for the man, but also for the kid, for the healthcare of the kid and the family line. If the kid is other man's kid, that other man can pay for it, no problem. But these women don't want that. They want basically to ban reality, and protect the choice of women, no matter how damaging and evil that choice is for countless innocent people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:25 PM
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there are millions of children out there calling a man "dad" who don't know their biological father. This is the most terrible. Eventually down the line someone will know, and it will create huge stress in the family.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:22 PM
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A lot of judges will rather want a random man to pay for the kid anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:22 PM
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Arguably it is better for everyone to pay as a collective that forcing someone to pay. In any case, the state wants more people to be born anyway, so they can invest.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:12 PM
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I guess the argument is valid as long as financial reasons are considered a valid reason for abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:12 PM
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Don't want to have kids, don't fuck. Simple. That is a good argument for people who favor abortion. If you don't want children, don't fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 06:00 PM
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That man can leave her. True, but it is less likely if there is some commitment and exclusivity. Most single moms have kids out of the wedlock though. Even if the man decides to run away, she probably have more legal guarantees if there was some form of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:58 PM
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Not only abortion, but most birth control is also for women. Adoption rights are also on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:55 PM
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Secondly are you under the impression that most single mothers planed to be single mothers or even anticipated that they would become single mothers? No, but they probably wanted to use the child to manipulate the man to stay, or something like that. They deserve it, as they had most options to end it or prevent it... they didn't. Most smart men are not staying for a woman using a child to manipulate them into staying.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:54 PM
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But you need both to agree. Unless she was raped, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:53 PM
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Yes, but men usually have power only on that point. Women have power before that point, during that point and after. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume every single mom had to dismiss those options, while men didn't really have a say. Women have more points of choice than men, therefore they are more responsible than men in this aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:52 PM
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That is the thing... women have even another incentive to not get pregnant by a guy that does not care: pregnancy is hard. However, single moms still choose that path, knowing how harsh it is, having way more options than men to end it or prevent it. So it makes sense to assume single moms are just women that took a terrible decision and made themselves, probably with malicious intentions to convince the man to stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:51 PM
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At least we can agree women have more power on their status to be single moms, than men power to make them, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:49 PM
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Just keep it in your pants. Just keep your legs closed... or use birth control. Or use Plan B. Or use abortion. Or use adoption. Or choose better men (women have more options of men, than most men of women). Women have literally thousands of options more than men. No woman is a single mom without disregarding at least some of those options men don't even have. So yes, single moms are way more responsible than the fathers of those kids, considering how many more options and choices they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:48 PM
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So, you agree men don't create single moms, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:45 PM
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Men, if you don’t want kids, put your dick away and save yourself until you meet someone who you do want to be the mother of your children 😌 take some responsibility 😌 Women have more power on reproduction and choice of partner, therefore they are more responsible for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:44 PM
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Most single moms are made having kids out of the wedlock, though. Women have absolute control to require marriage before getting pregnant, and they have all tools to prevent pregnancy before such commitment. Men only have a say before cumming.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:43 PM
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Men create single mothers. This contradicts this you said earlier You literally can no become pregnant without a male lmao. You are implying you need both, not just men. Unless you mean women remain as a corpse, get pregnant, so obviously the men create babies with vegetative women or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:42 PM
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Men have unprotected sex with these women willingly knowing the risks including the risk of their partner not aborting an unwanted pregnancy. I find it quite funny how women love using pro-life after-conception arguments when it is about men's reproductive rights. In any case, that does not remove the fact women are complaining about single motherhood almost being "imposed", even having almost all power to avoid it before, during and after the conception.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:39 PM
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True, but if you are going to fail to get women anyway, better make some money! It is way worse to be poor and loser than rich and loser in the loving aspect. Not to mention that you use money for compensate some of those lacks, such as hiring sex workers, buying a womb, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:34 PM
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A few guys are doing very well, others are doing bad. I'm in the later team, but to be fair I did not care for so long that I'm not surprised I ended up this way. My main problem is that so much is coupled to having a partner and love and family, etc. that many of us feel left out even when in theory we still do well without sex (porn is enough).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:34 PM
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If you're a rich 30 year old who fell for the monk mode meme and just focused on finances and nothing else, you'll just attract gold diggers. True, but certainly men prefer to be a rich loser than a poor loser, which is reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:31 PM
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go to therapy lol But the rest is very reasonable, not just for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:29 PM
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They simply look away or pretend that is not the case, but they know.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:11 PM
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It is demographic reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:59 PM
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Women compare their men to men that date their friends. In their arrogance, they feel entitled to something as good or better. Truth is that, mathematically speaking, there are not many men that are top 10% by the very definition of the term. Women are also selfish, they don't want to share those top men. If they get them, the guys have such power over them that they can tell women to lick their ass, and the woman will... For real. Then those men tell all men suck or shit like that. They eventua…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:56 PM
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But the more telling thing is women don't even want marriage and have one kid. Are you sure? It seems most women want children. Even most women who are now too old and have no children, still claim they wanted them. My theory is that women just want to have children at times of stability, and their idea of stability is not realistic, so they get too old to have children. Truth is that we are never ready to have children anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:53 PM
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Ok, suppose the guy got sex using deception. That is bad, just as women dating a guy for money or free food. There are shitty people, that happens. But agreeing to have sex has nothing to do with that. If you want something beyond sex, you should expect first some commitment rather than give sex and expect commitment to come.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:51 PM
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Maybe, but it is easier to filter for quality men that way. In any case, you can enjoy sex even if it does not end in a relationship. Maybe you or the guy finds that sex was not that good and want to move on. Women are more likely to end relationships after all, is that also a "scam"? The guy did not "stole" anything from you, you both can enjoy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:49 PM
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Well, men are the pursuers, so it makes sense they take initiative. Women also expect men to take the initiative in most cases. Still, it has nothing to do with commitment, it is just desire... which is OK too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:47 PM
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kiddos who will grow up knowing that their life goal is to ensure your serene and careless retirement. Ironically, it is way less selfish to expect that than to expect other people's children to pay for your fat ass. We still depend on younger generations. Just because we pool resources that does not make you less selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:45 PM
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Tbf to this one, people in the past often weren't as aware of the trauma. Forgive me, but honestly I'm very skeptic of this because death by birth was so common in the past that people obviously knew that pregnancy was very risky. Today we barely hear of women dying in pregnancy, because it is safer now to have children thanks to modern medicine. People in the past were more aware and conscious of death because they saw it so closely. But I do get your point. Maybe women are more aware of the pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:41 PM
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Women don't like sharing men either, so? That is because most people have monogamous ideals. Women are also jealous of the guy having female friends. I don't get how any of this is an issue specific of men, though. I do think men expect some exclusivity, but women also expect commitment on top of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:36 PM
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What is the car in this analogy?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:18 PM
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As fewer and fewer people are born, that becomes more and more reasonable for the states to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:01 PM
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This generation just doesn't see a future for kids to be born into. The irony is that a lot of this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. For example, the concern about lower population for the good of the environment. Who is more likely to take care of the environment? A healthy society with younger people or younger people enslave by the state to take care of a 80% retired population? I would say the later would rather care about surviving than any higher goal such as the environment. Fact is that li…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:59 PM
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Although birth rates are still up in Africa and India, but it is also falling rapidly. They are at best half a century behind us.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:55 PM
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Why would any decent women fall for such lie? If a woman wants more than sex, she should make the guy wait and get some guarantee or at least some investment from him. Not just open legs and expect the guy to stick around.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:54 PM
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Where is your line? That is the question. I agree it sucks for women, but to be fair men cannot read women's mind. They don't know if she has sex with him out of fear. Men have to convince women of sex anyway, as most women don't feel comfortable initiating sex. At what point it becomes manipulation?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:51 PM
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Let's analyze your reasons... Not enough money? People in the past had more children with less money. Also the drop in birth rates is universal, not just in hyper-capitalist states, but also in countries with socialist policies such as those in Europe, and stable societies like Japan and Korea. Women fear having children or don't want them? Most women are not childfree, not even close. Most women want to have children, even those who are now too old to have any, still report they wanted to. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:47 PM
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But that makes no sense... birth rates are collapsing everywhere, not just in places where it is expensive to have children, but also in Europe which has free childcare and other socialist policy, China which is authoritarian, and Japan which is very walkable and stable society. There must be more to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:40 PM
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I hope you also don't have to rely on other people's children labor when you are old. Too much old people will create an enslaved younger class. It is fair to let all us childless people on our own to work to death or choose euthanasia.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:39 PM
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But scammers sell a product or service that don't exist. This is not the case. Sex exist, she agrees to sex, sex happens. That's all. Why do women expect something else from it? If they did they should make sex conditional to that commitment or expectation, rather than opening legs first. Even worse, women marry in their mind with guys that don't want anything to do with them just because they had sex. Then they call that "deception" even when the guy never even claimed to want anything with her…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:38 PM
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No. In fact fat women sexually disgust me. Most men will not say it because they don't want to look picky or arrogant, but truth is that fat women are disgusting for most men, and so are single moms, women with tattoos and old women. Even men who use those women as fleshlights don't do it from a position of desiring that women for anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:32 PM
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That is also relative. If she marries me because she wants the money, is she being forced? Who is forcing her? Am I forcing a sex worker if she depends on that money to survive? Too subjective to care. Most men just want to get laid. What women think is not that important. Both men and women can enjoy sex without desiring the other person as a partner, or rather using sex as a medium of exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:30 PM
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I'd rather want a woman to desire me, BUT I'm aware that next best option for most men in history was just to basically buy a woman, and honestly I think we will come back to that... not women as property, but sex as a service.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:28 PM
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Looking at average married men, it seems they look way more miserable than single men, though. Women don't want genetic dead ends, but they indeed love to emasculate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:27 PM
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Glad you like it. I also like my job. But I am also aware I'm contributing indirectly to a system that hates me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:26 PM
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She does not have to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:25 PM
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Men are the people desperate to lock a woman down Are you sure? Women are the ones that value commitment way more (although they also value divorce more). Men are OK with she just fucking him once in a while and only ask her for marriage if they have to. Women want more to lock men they find valuable, while men want rather to lock sex with minimum commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:22 PM
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If women were not attracted to violent men, then most violence against women would be from random crime and not from their own partners. Women may not be attracted to violent men per se, but clearly it does not dismiss their sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:20 PM
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They do want chad. They even lick their nasty ass if they ask them to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:19 PM
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Far more men than women use dating apps. As evidenced by the data, half of young women have met their partners through their social circles. Clearly, this is a significant way that relationships begin. Yes, but consider the following: Women are more successful matching in a dating apps, which means they have less reasons to use them because they work for them... at least more than they work for most men. Women also have social networks such as Instagram, in which they meet men with no issues. Ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 07:23 PM
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Way more men would date single older moms, than women eager to date average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 07:17 PM
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TLDR: women are dishonest
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:54 PM
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Women are classists. That is not new.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:53 PM
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I mean, you don't have to do much by looking at eyes of men to look approachable, or even just starting conversation or asking valid questions, even to other women. Do it just a few seconds and let them do the rest of heavy stuff. Remember approaching is hard for men and risky too now, so being welcoming can make the difference. Of course, that is supposing that is what you want. We are trying to help. Don't take it bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:12 PM
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Yes, but it is entertaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:49 PM
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It is not what women or men did, but rather media justifies women joining it as "being brainwashed" while men joining it is just those men being evil. Not just this, but also Latin American drug dealers. Police often does not arrest their women, even women who are complicit and benefit from the crime. They rather see those women as just victims of being "seduced" by high level criminals. It is clear that media and culture has a positive bias towards women. Evolutionary speaking it makes sense as…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:21 PM
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It is important to consider the tradeoffs, and take a decision accordingly. But yes, sometimes giving up on a shitty life is the most logical thing to do to prevent the most suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:17 PM
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I’ve said, I don’t get respectfully approached. To be fair, I think respectful men don't approach anymore, they don't want to feel you bad if you are not interested. I know it sucks, but it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:10 PM
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True, it is often for the children, but also there is more support for women who are homeless, abused, etc. than for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:08 PM
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I'm did not say she is lying about her situation, I suspect she is hiding or not highlighting some context. Men are too horny for any woman to be lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:00 PM
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I suspect you are not revealing all the context of your situation, which is OK, but it obfuscates the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:49 PM
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Yes, this is precisely why most autistic men don't ever get married, but autistic women are mostly OK unless they never leave house and never join dating apps. Still, I don't remember people ever inviting me to things, so I don't blame myself for being born with a dull personality. I also had no friends to find a feedback to improve, which means there is a blind spot. If you accept it is not your fault, it becomes more tolerable, like accepting you were born color blind.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:32 PM
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Simply put.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:15 PM
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But still you have options. Sure, maybe bad options, but you can have fun meanwhile. In real life you also don't have to do anything, just go out a little more. But yes, it also affects women, but not as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:15 PM
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I mean, in the past loneliness used to mean death, as it was hard to survive on your own, but clearly not anymore... all is institutionalized and organized in corporations and ministries. But feelings have not catch up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:13 PM
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Antidepressants are not addictive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:40 PM
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I eventually said fuck it and decided to fix the source of the anxiety itself. I started exercising, eating better, going outside, making friends, finding hobbies, and approaching women/using dating apps. Too much work.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:40 PM
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Anti-depressants are for women, they are the one with low upwards mobility, they are the one who needs to accept their fate. Men are meant to strive for improvement, they are meant to explore, to conquer. Not all men were born to that, and honestly I don't feel like contributing anything of value to a society that disavowed me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:39 PM
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So? Not a problem if you are not getting sex anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:37 PM
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1-Major disqualifying factors for high skill careers involving machinery. Men do a overwhelming majority of physical/dangerous/high skill such as my career as a Airline Pilot. Anti depressants do more than suppress mood, they also induce drowsiness and other side effects that may reduce your ability to operate machinery. Now imagine thousands of medicated truck drivers, boat captains, nuclear technicians, forklift drivers, and pilots are medicated and their judgement is impaired all because they…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:36 PM
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Antidepressants are not addictive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:07 PM
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That is a blessing for undesirable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:04 PM
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Loneliness is a subjective negative feeling. You can be alone and feel fine, or have company and still feel lonely. Antidepressants do help with loneliness because they make it feel more tolerable and manageable. The point of them is not to make you get friends, though, if that is what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:03 PM
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A common side effect is having a lower sex drive and tbh that would be EXTREMELY beneficial. Exactly. Less path to be manipulated by vaginal demons.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:02 PM
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If the actual issues are that you simply do not have the genes to be desirable, you are autistic, or similar... it makes sense to treat symptoms. Being born undesirable is like a terminal illness. You have to treat the symptoms, because the cause is unfixable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:00 PM
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Why would I get off the pills if they work? I followed the wisdom. I went to gym for years, I got a job, I became independent... still depressed. Have you observed how your "solutions" are just manipulating men into paying taxes to this meat grinder degenerate society? Have you observed that any short term fun like porn and video games is demonized, even when realistically that is often the only way to get any pleasure after working like 12 hours a day to pay rent? Don't support the system of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:59 PM
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You don’t stop being lonely just because you are on Zoloft. It makes loneliness way more manageable, though. In the same token, avoiding pills will also not make you attractive and non-autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:54 PM
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The issue with antidepressants is that they basically numb you and don’t actually solve the internal issues you may have If depression is caused by things you cannot change, such as not being tall enough or attractive enough for women, pills are the most logical empowering step. Sure, maybe there is a way to brainwash yourself into happiness even being treated by trash for traits you cannot control... but why bother? Let society rot, just as they let you. If you was not accepted by it, there is …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:53 PM
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often depression is just a symptom of something else Yes, such a shitty reality we cannot change.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:51 PM
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I have empathy for people who live in reality. Reality is not beneficial for everyone, though. Precisely delusional people are the ones you should have empathy for.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:46 PM
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Agreed that is taking pills is also a kind of responsibility. I mean, what is the point of being depressed for something you cannot change anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:45 PM
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Very interesting, and thank you for this information. I wonder how it will go... I hope not another Venezuela.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:44 PM
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There are a lot of structures for single moms, but also more options of birth control and abortion, more path for adoption, etc. than men will ever have. Not to mention non profits and similar organizations favoring and helping women more than men. I'm not saying this is good or bad, it is an observation. Maybe there is a good and reasonable reason for society to ponder to women.... IDK.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:42 PM
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When women kill their own children, or join ISIS, or betray their own men and leave them to die... it is always justified as women being afraid or being mentally ill, or being manipulated by men. If men do something like that, they are just evil. This is an infantilization of women, but women do benefit from it and obviously don't want it changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:40 PM
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mental health issues are solely one’s responsibility to address just smile to feel better bro No, really, I honestly think that men should take antidepressants. There is no use to suffer this degenerate antinatural dating environment anymore that we cannot really control anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:39 PM
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It’s a future dead bedroom for any guy who marries her. Very blackpilling. I can't believe it all got so bad so quickly. Disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:36 PM
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pure evil
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:35 PM
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My mental health is way better just living life as a single male. And even if I met a woman irl, she’ll likely have those apps on her phone. I’m never going to be better than the guys she can pull on those apps. Exactly. Even if you drop out of online dating, the people you try to date in real life use those apps, so you are still competing with all men of the state.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:35 PM
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You are still competing with online dating if you meet women in real life, though. Those women are using dating apps even if you don't. That is also supposing you have a social circle in the first place, which is extremely hard to keep now that we have to work two jobs to pay rent.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:33 PM
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I don't think this is true, though. Online Dating is now to stay and the main way for new couples to form, so real life dating and socializing has fewer reasons to exist, there is probably no way back.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:32 PM
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I think his point is that women have way more options and privilege and comfort and security than men ever had, and yet they complain about not being at the same level that only top 5% men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:30 PM
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Cannot wait to see the system collapse and parasites to starve.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:29 PM
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Dating young is extremely important to be able to date life in life. If you fail to date during school or college, near many single people your age, it is probably too late now that you work and barely meet new people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:28 PM
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You are ignoring how influential internet is now. We are entering unseen times.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:26 PM
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Even when all evidence proves how true the black pill is, or at least is getting, the gaslighting is unbelievable. Why not better be empathic and just admit the harsh truth? Keeping them in the delusion to feel better with yourself now, will only hurt them long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:25 PM
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or give up and die alone. That is not necessarily bad if you see it from a disempowered neutral point of view. You can see it as being born blind or not having legs. It is what it is. It only hurts if a part of you still blames you. I did not choose to be autistic, or short, or ugly, or non white... so why the fuck would I keep hurting myself about failing on dating? You can also take some lightweight revenge, such as not speaking to women, not helping them, etc. to prevent bursts of resentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:23 PM
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Like yeah it would improve all mens chances of getting a date eventually if the vast majority of men quit online dating today. But why would any individual man make his chance of getting a date 0 for the benefit of other men? Perfectly put. That is precisely why I expect male productivity to drop even more than it already has. Why should men contribute to society if they are not getting the same others get for existing?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:20 PM
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I see multiple inversions, though, from different lens: In media you are right, women are encouraged to have sex for the sake of it, while men are shamed for that. This reflects the bluepill. Still, in real life both men and women attach status in men to sexual success and the opposite to women. For men, getting sex is an achievement, for women giving sex to easily is seen negatively. This reflects the redpill. Women have more to lose with free sex, but they are rescued from their bad consequenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 08:41 PM
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Chadfishing shows that these women are not in fact selective, but just superficial. We kinda of always knew this. Makeup, clothes, fake pictures in profiles... why would female preferences not be superficial too?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 07:43 PM
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I appreciate your honesty. So many tall attractive men just tell other men "it is about confidence" or some other gaslighting shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 07:42 PM
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Still... The man is crazy. I'm afraid he wouldn't be able to mannage what's coming. In any case, I think he will do better than Argentina now printing so much money. It is an interesting experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 07:41 PM
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I do think Karens can change for better, and I have seen that, but they need a reality check, self awareness and some shock that puts them on place.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:14 PM
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That is actually a good point. A lot of karens, maybe most of them, are very privileged upper class older women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:13 PM
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Not long ago women were also put on their place with violence and shame, though. I wonder why society chooses to have such double standards, if clearly it creates a class of entitled women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:12 PM
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we as a society should re-normalise man on man violence Now that we are on it, why not normalize also using violence to put women on their place? Equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:10 PM
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Not to mention sexual advances from old men HOT!!! You can make good money.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:09 PM
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Young Karens (average women) still have the halo effect, so they are not criticized as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 01:58 PM
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It is not strange for women to side with Karens, even when they are obviously wrong and entitled. Men are naturally more disagreeable, which may be interpreted badly, but that does not mean they have to be nasty and manipulative as those Karens.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 01:58 PM
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Men are indeed more disagreeable, but that does not mean they are nasty people getting in other people's businesses as Karens do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 01:56 PM
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Being a man is a thankless job. It is stupid how much entitled society feels to male labor, protection and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 01:55 PM
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If you observe carefully, those covert contracts of "nice guys" are based in the manipulation used by women and society to make those men work to death for a single mom or a woman that does not even respect him. Technically, most beta men have no reason to contribute a surplus to society if they don't even have the chance to get love and sex. Civilization relies on this manipulation to keep the matrix running. Women also have covert contracts, in fact women almost get mad when men are too explic…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:32 PM
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I do think women take men more seriously for dating when they know them, and looks become less important. This explains the phenomena of women mad that the nerd guy at work is not talking to them... because when women see men with some frequency, they consider them more. However, I would not say what you mean with ugly is truly ugly. Comparing beauty of men and women is like comparing apples and bananas, they are totally different paradigmas.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:29 PM
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I mean, that is the reasonable thing to do. Considering most violence come from men women trust, maybe women trust too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:24 PM
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Sure, if you divide by gender lines, the great threat is men. But you can also divide by racial lines and make racist statement, or divide by generational line and be ageist. Or go even more general and claim that humanity itself is the problem. Personally I think that the same things that make men dangerous, such as violence and impulse, are also the same impulses used to build, create, restore, etc. society, but I don't expect to change your views on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:22 PM
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There are many ways to be good men, as women say, sometimes violence is not the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:21 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:13 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 07:26 PM
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Few women are cowering in corners, biting their nails for men to provide them protection, because guess what they need protection against? MEN! From other men, other women, bad health, nature, financial insecurity, criminals, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 07:00 PM
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Being a normal, decent, functioning human being does not entitle anyone to romantic attention. I never claimed that was the case, but precisely that fact is what makes what you said here pointless for those people: Friendships are good training wheels for severely socially inept people who consistently pour 100% of their self-worth and purpose in life into the Romantic Relationship basket. In the same token, women are not entitled to men's protection or care or friendship or social interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:45 PM
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If I was stronger or taller than the criminal, and if he had no knife or gun, I would probably try something instinctively, ideally from a distance or creating a distraction. No matter what shit we say here about women, the truth is that men have an inner impulse to help them anyway. But take in mind that most men are not exposed to these kind of situations and may get scared or shocked and do nothing, but that does not mean they want the woman to be hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:43 PM
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I mean, it is the tradeoff. We shall call the police or security nearby, which makes more sense and is the safest way to deal with the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:24 PM
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I totally understand that. I just had no other way to live a comfortable emotional life, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:23 PM
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Precisely, that is why we should focus on threats around or near us, rather than hypothetical threats that are very unlikely, such as incel terrorism.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:22 PM
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But everything you do and say in public comes with the threat of "association" Agreed, which is why men don't need instructions. If they care they do, if not they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:31 PM
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Men are told to hold their friends, peers, classmates, co-workers, etc. accountable. But why? Men are not women's police. We are not responsible for enforcing ever changing social customs by women. Not to mention the contradictory expectations of women... some want to be approached, some don't. Some women like borderline misogynistic macho men, some don't, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:22 PM
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Men have to play 4D chess to not be painted as the "bad guy" either way somehow. Most men take the path of least resistance, the least of evils, such as not talking to women to prevent being seen as creep... but they are still demonized by HR for that. It seems women want the benefit of men having power without men having power. ??? I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:20 PM
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I honestly don't think it can be worse without those men activelly tearing down society.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:52 PM
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Do this? I think men are a net positive to society, and produce and invent way more than women, even women having all social support.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:18 PM
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Yes incels are not even close to being the greatest threat to women... it is the men women choose to fuck who are the most likely to kill them. Your hate for incels is just a code word for hate against men with autism or social anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:17 PM
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IDK, if this was true then lesbian bars would be way more common. I had a lesbian neighbor that used to kind of seduce me when her partner was not around. Usually most "lesbian" women are bisexual and have no issue having sex with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:05 PM
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What also shouldn’t happen is the projection of bad experiences that men who are not successful with women have unto all men everywhere. What difference does it make? Women are not affected by those men they are not interested on anyway. In fact it seems women are the ones projecting on most men being used as flashlights by top men, even when most men don't even have that option to ever have multiple women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:47 PM
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All the while, the woman that he went over to save is ALSO kicking and slapping the guy that was trying to save her! Yes, that is why even the POLICE has issues intervening in this kind of abuse. The "victim" sides with the abuser a lot of times, and legally you can consent to be beaten and abused, so authorities cannot do much... even less can random men do about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:43 PM
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Then low value males will continue to pay for the consequences for the consequences of the real men of the manosphere. It makes no difference for them anyway, as men getting sex are not necessarily enforcing those rules either. There is no obvious relationship between men getting sex and not being misogynist. In fact, plenty of sexist abusive men have no problem getting women interested in them. Your logic is like threatening a homeless person of losing their home.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:41 PM
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You would be surprised how many people have plenty of friends but never get any romantic attention. Women also prefer to consider themselves "taken" by the guy they fuck once a month that has other women around, which is a kind of social ineptitude, but from the stance of romantic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:38 PM
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Sorry for your lost if that is truly your case, but I'm talking about a red flags, not about more exceptional cases such as widowing. In fact I have the theory that widows have their own charm because they are seen by community as trustworthy wives that stay to the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:23 PM
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the majority of men aren't able to have multiple women to begin with lol. In the past other men were enslaved to pay for the harem. Taxes are slowly being used to tax single men to pay for single moms, their lifestyle, and other deadweights in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:06 PM
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There is nothing wrong with pills for depression, I use them. I'm just calling it bullshit that women are "enjoying their lives", while clearly they rather want people to believe it is the case with shiny intagrams and travel.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:01 PM
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The term the wall is way older than PUA or redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:00 PM
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Yes, but as you mentioned, the shift was from men to get validation from women only. In the past men got validation from other men, and then men at the top got to pick women. Womens' and men's sexual criteria is animal, not based on any kind of competition or contribution to civilization, so therefore men on top just get there by luck of being born attractive. As the male structure that provided purpose, entertainment and socialization for men was removed, men only have women as monopoly for thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 12:59 PM
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So far I'm doing very well, some nausea as I adapt, but it can help with social anxiety and bad moods.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 12:56 PM
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virgin men are virgin because they are not interesting to anybody for anything. Virgin men are an extreme case, for sure, but there are countless men in between. These are not discreet categories.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 12:55 PM
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Very true, they are slowly trying to use the system to squeeze those men, but it is also true that single males are less productive, which is ironic because they have less responsibilities. They just don't have pressure of a family, they don't need to buy decor trash, etc. so at the end the system still losses. On the other aspect, single moms lose attraction and many chads don't want to deal with them, so most of those women are on their own unless the kid is of the current chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 12:54 PM
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I would say that 90% of men who behave that way don't exist for women anyway, so they don't bother anyone. But a few of those guys are good looking or are social with guys, and some women get mad at them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 12:52 PM
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Agreed. Ironically, I think the key for men to relate to women is to establish relationships with other men, codes of honor, projects, etc. If you remove those male structures, you only have a bunch of degenerate selfish individualist men, which is the complaint women have about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 12:50 PM
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That is just a hypothesis, but honestly I don't have a clue. Another hypothesis is that women use those incel men as scapegoats for their frustration of being used or neglected by the men they fuck. Same as people who kick their dog after the boss screams to them. Humans are not irrational, so I'm not expecting women to fix this either, but clearly their judgement on those men is disproportional.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 12:48 PM
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True, but in a sense this is also a tool men can use. What affects one gender soon or later affect the other too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:06 PM
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I do give a shit if that contributes to an industry that ruins other people's lives. Don't worry. Porn is free.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:59 PM
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Yes, but sexual revolution did not spread so quickly. It took decades of Hollywood propaganda and arts to push it until it was acceptable by most people, and even so many parts of USA still are very conservative, not to mention most of the rest of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:58 PM
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evolutionarily, these shorter/uglier incel males would generally get killed by the tribe. they inevitably put a foot wrong and have zero social capital. groups of females would kill them off once they were clearly ostracized, or up and coming males would kill them to impress potential mates. This is partially true. When civilization took over, all men became valuable, even incels and creeps. Having fewer hands to work means a civilization was weaker than another, so everyone was valuable... sure…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:57 PM
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As far as men not being open about their misogynistic views, I‘m sure some guys can get away with suppressing their true beliefs and views for a short period of time. But eventually, after a few dates or whatever, they will let things slip that women can pick up on. Agreed, which is why women should not be so concerned about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:36 PM
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Women also experience the effects of living in a highly individualistic society, but may be more likely to make an effort to create community. Women want to make communities after destroying them and forcing them to accept people who are not part of that community. Now they want to put back the individualist genie on the botte because men simply return to animal nature of just seeking sex when there is no society to fight or live for.... but it is too late now, and yet women did it all and will …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:06 PM
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I've heard women complaining about men not wanting to talk to them at work. But these men have also had it drilled into them that women at work don't want anything to do with them, so idk what to tell you. Not really anybody's fault. I guess men don't know how to interact with women at work. They don't want to feel they are creeps, so they don't interact with them... they rather look as assholes than as creeps, and probably being an asshole is safer for job. Women do expect men they meet every d…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:03 PM
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Don't' get me wrong... I do believe revenge is stupid and irrational, but I prefer those men to revenge that way (e.g. not interacting with women, not saluting them, etc.) rather than going in a violent rampage. People vent their own way, and that way is way better than actually hurting women or themselves. In any case, such treatment to women is nothing compared to the hell those men lived.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:56 PM
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You don’t need porn to alleviate sexual frustration. There’s your imagination and fantasies. Sure, you don't need porn for that, but some men choose it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:53 PM
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I read there is some relationship between sophisticated cultures and segregation of sexes, and established gender roles. It makes sense for most successful cultures to allocate in the most efficient way such gender roles according to sex, at least for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:52 PM
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I would say most of them just waited for the right guy to get pregnant, which was based on unrealistic standards, then they realized that they are not celebrities that can pay for a fertility treatment at 40 or buy a womb.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:49 PM
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Only top men can use women as placeholders. Most men realize very quickly their SMV and don't play those games unless they do have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:48 PM
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I also read that Zoloft is used to treat premature ejaculation, which is also a problem for me. I hope it fixes it too. I'm not chasing women because there is no point for me to do it. I don't have anything of value to offer as a boyfriend or husband, and my life is boring, so at best I would just get a nice rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:48 PM
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I cited a nice graph showing that the spread and proportion of sex partners accruing to "top men" hasn't changed much over the last century The statistics become blur when you take in account how sex changed. In the past most people having sex were married. Today, marriage is just a good-to-have and there are many de facto relationships that act as marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:45 PM
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Why do we allow extreme sports then? Same logic: people taking risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 06:16 PM
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And Guns and pepper spray exist for women who feel insecure around men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 06:12 PM
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If you ignore women at work for anything but work, you also get issues with HR. There is no way to win.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 06:11 PM
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Women come across as boring and without hobbies because they're disinterested in conversation with most men. I would say it is the opposite. It is almost always women who are salty men at work don't talk to them or don't invite them as they invite male coworkers. Meanwhile, no man complains they cannot get female friends, they just want a partner and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 06:11 PM
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It always surprised me, seeing more hate and venom directed at 'nice guys' and non-violent incels online than actual cheaters and abusers who had no trouble attracting women. My theory is that incels simply say "I'm not playing this unfair game" and women hate that, because they cannot manipulate those men as they manipulate blue-pilled men for free food or protection. This creates the strange paradox in which women hate harmless incels way more than the partners they choose, who are like 10x mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 06:09 PM
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I find it ironic women focus so much on incel shooters, when like 90% of violence against women come from partners THEY choose, or men in family.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 06:07 PM
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fEmAlE iNTuItIoN The most useless "skill" ever. At best used to deny reality, at worst to make women choose terrible men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 06:05 PM
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Lots of guys with their ducks in a row making good money are risk adverse and think going out to clubs where "you can get killed or in a fight at random" is crazy. Yeah, that is my fear too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:58 PM
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I think that if you make good money you are less likely to have time to socialize more, unless that is part of your job. Women do like men with money, but those men do not necessarily are single or open to go out a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:57 PM
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I just delete them from my phone soon after, but they always end up texting me back out of the blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:46 PM
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Agreed, they are delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:41 PM
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It seems more like it’s how men handle being a virgin at that age that makes them unattractive rather than the fact that they are a virgin. Most virgin men in their 20s are exactly like you said, have a hole in their self esteem. I get it it, but I think it is a chicken and egg problem. No sex mean less validation, so less foundation for self-steem, but low confidence also means less capacity to get sex. What comes first? No idea, maybe it is a feedback loop. I do think that having high confiden…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:38 PM
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Only being able to get sexual satisfaction through porn is extremely sad. Porn itself is a way to deal with sadness. What is truly sad is trying to limit porn to some men who never will be loved. Women are so cruel trying to do that just to keep some men sexually frustrated and manipulated for what? For those men to buy them trash and pay them food? It didn’t exist for thousands of years and human beings continued to be sexually fulfilled, reproduced, and the human race continued… Well, times ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:34 PM
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Exactly. Same as friendship. Guys do good with one or two friends they barely see. Women rather see that as a crisis, because they believe men shall be as social as they are... which is like saying that cacti need more water.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:30 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:16 PM
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I'd say those men become picky because they have options. If they had no options, they are less picky, but then that means they are not desired by women. Most men suffer the pickiness of women, while most women suffer the pickiness of the few top men they actually like. Does it make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:15 PM
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that's like saying hetero men and hetero women can't be friends. Well, many heterosexual men may prefer to not be friends with gay men, which is also fine, because no on is entitled to anyone's friendship. hmmm no, if you are not friends with someone because of religion race or sexual orientation that's LITERALLY discrimination. LITERALLY My personal life is not a government agency or company to be forced to welcome everyone I'm not interested in. As my prerogative, personal preferences are fund…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:10 PM
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"Well it’s legal so that means it’s okay! 🤷🏼‍♂️” With the breakdown of religion and moral rules and communities, that legalistic argument makes now perfect sense. Quite fun how feminists and progressives now talk about "too much" after pushing for deconstruction of traditional morality and rules for literally a century. Now the nihilist amoral genie is out of the bottle and you hate it turns against your own interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:04 PM
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Fact is, lots of men decided that they didn’t want male only spaces because “how am i gonna get laid in male only spaces” But that was the shift to using sex as validation, while in the past other mechanism of validation where established and sex was the price. Men competed with other men and then the winners got status and sex. I do attribute that shift to feminism too, but women now hate it because men want their bodies rather than themselves... but the genie cannot be put back on the bottle.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:01 PM
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I'm sure men stay after some investment and commitment in the relationship. Women are more likely to ask for a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:57 PM
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Female teachers having sex with boys is reprehensible but you can justify having sex with a 14 year old? What says the law? Different laws have different ages of consent, some as low as 12, which is terrible. I don't agree with law being so low, but if that is a problem rather change the law. BTW, you believe you are smart trying to make me say something to be banned, but I'm not justifying this, I'm pointing out the law and cultural relativism of age of consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:55 PM
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what it is about homosexuality that prevents you from becoming friends? Homosexual men may interpret friendship as sexual interest for them, and many heterosexual men are not interested in that. if you are saying that you can't become friends with a gay man, isn't it literally homophobia? Just as choosing partners, you can choose your friends with any standard, even race or age or looks or sexuality standards if you wish. That is YOUR preference and YOUR life. Women are in fact way more pickier …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:52 PM
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In any case, male only spaces such as Boy Scouts are way more positive for men as a whole than not having them. Feminists trying to open boy scouts for girls or dismantling the group just takes an option away from men growing up and bonding with other men. Feminists want this to happen because they want men to be powerless, not group with each other, because that is power. BTW, there is nothing creepier than those female teachers in public schools having sex with boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:46 PM
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those male only spaces are to socialize so what do you care if those men are gay or not? Because heterosexual men are not interested in gay men, and they sharing the space can mean confusion. That is why gays have their own bars and so on. No feminist group will break into your house while you are hanging out with your male friends. Ironic, that is precisely what they do with online gaming groups that are mostly male.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:41 PM
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Its homophobia and machismo, which are learned, not inherent, opinions Just because it is learned it does not mean it is not an opinion. It may be a terrible opinion, but it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:37 PM
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Like as a man, I have 0 interest in being in a “male only” place. A lot of men dont' rely on other men when they have a family, but it is good to have male friends too. Could it not be that these places died organically? Maybe, but it is too much a chance they died when feminism took over.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:32 PM
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It is an antidepressant I recently started.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:31 PM
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Women don't marry a man because he's physically, objectively model pretty but completely useless and immoral. But a woman will marry a man who is less than a 9 or 10 if he's competent, has a great personality, and has potential to be a good companion or family member. Considering how women talk about their ex's, it seems they don't consider that as much until years later.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:21 PM
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I thought this thread was about paternity tests?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:14 PM
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Good point. I also think a lot of these women rather rate their own self steem, not their looks, but they cannot really separate both.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:13 PM
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Maybe, but I would say it is because those women have some form of social anxiety or mental health issues. In other words, those women are sexless because they are weird and not the other way around. Men can be sexless even not being weird, just not being tall enough or not living on their own. But that is nature, it is harder for men to get sex, just as it is harder for women to reproduce (pregnancy is harder for them).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:13 PM
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There is a place for paternity tests.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:54 PM
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Why was it harder for you to later find love and relationships? Basically, I'm too old for the younger generation, to insecure for my generation, and too immature for older generation. When you are seen as this by all generations, your options are very limited to even make friends and build a social network. But yes, I think a lot of this was out of my control. Not being tall or attractive enough, maybe having some mild autism, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:53 PM
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Paternity tests are to cope with the fact that you think your partner is untrustworthy NOW, and was likely untrustworthy when you chose to marry/risk impregnating them. Paternity tests are not about preparing for the worst, they are about thinking the worst of someone who trusted you with their life and health. Trust can be broken, or you can be suspicious for valid reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:51 PM
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Women may not like what misogynist men say, but that has nothing to do with the sexual attraction they may or not feel for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:38 PM
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I can assure you that the vast, vast majority of women do not want to date men who speak about their entire gender in the most vile ways imaginable. Most men are not open about that, though. In any case, if criminals and handsome rapists get women that write them love letters, it seems sexual attraction has little to do with being a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:37 PM
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delusion, when you never touched a girl's vagina in your life Especially virgin men should take this in account because they can easily be manipulated by older single mom women easier. If only it was to touch a woman's vagina, prostitution fixes that. The problem is being tethered to a woman that becomes a whale, narcissistic, selfish that takes your money on divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:36 PM
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My references prove you wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:32 PM
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For fraternities, it comes off more in hazing, which can often involve nudity and sexualization, again usually as a dominance/sadism act rather than sexual attraction. As long as that is voluntary, I don't see the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:31 PM
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So you agree women deserve equal pay? They get equal pay and even ex-husband money... they still end up stupidly poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:24 PM
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For men sex is a vital step for becoming a man, and if you miss it at that age range, you will have a hole in your selfsteem and self worth, and make it way harder to later find love and relationships, even friendships, because it will be harder to relate to men that did get that. At least that was my experience, that is why I now use Zoloft to cope. Only exceptions are if you belong to a system that accounts for that, such as a religion that forbids sex before marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:23 PM
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It becomes this dick measuring contest to impress the female clientele. Agreed, and the irony is that it also affects women. Men being more insecure and needy because they don't have male friends is worse for men as partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:21 PM
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Yes, there might be less men thinking they are a 10, but on average, they overrated their attractiveness more than women. There are also less men who think they are at the bottom end of attractiveness. So if women are more likely to rate themselves a 10 even when clearly they are not, while men are only biased on giving themselves one or two points up, which gender is more delusional?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:19 PM
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Black propaganda - Wikipedia
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:18 PM
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while women enjoy their lives. Not so much without money and heavily relying on medication for feeling OK. Women live in tutorial mode and yet find a way to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:18 PM
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Which statistics?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:15 PM
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It's interesting how rapey male prisons and fraternities often end up becoming On jails I get it because they cannot get women, but on fraternities with free men who can go out and fuck? That is not really a big thing, it is just angry women spreading black propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:08 PM
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For women that is not such a big deal as for men. You just need to find a man that you trust and understand your situation. If as a woman you did not have sex up to that age, there may be a valid reason, such as social anxiety or just a religious doctrine you had... none of them are bad reasons. The red flags can be catch by friends and other women in your life, and not giving your virginity so easily. For men? It is mostly over.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:06 PM
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Childfree women are very few, though. A lot of them also retroactively identify as childfree when their womb is already too rot to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:04 PM
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Some universities banned them, restricted them, or just converted them into generic student clubs with no essence.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:02 PM
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There may be cherry picked or not, but men are way less likely to rate themselves as a 9 or 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:01 PM
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This is clearly written by a woman and is exactly like Alcohol Prohibition which was just a silly failed movement by women to be authoritarians, with the governments help, to hamstring men. True. I did not remember it was women pushing for that shit. Their anti-porn rhetoric echoes this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:00 PM
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Porn is the only way some men get sexual satisfaction, and it is for the best interest of women that those men find more satisfaction that way than creeping you. So porn will never go away, in fact will be more and more realistic until ideally it competes with sex and women to create a fair world where men and women can be equally satisfied as they wish, and not just women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:58 PM
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Weird obsession with what men do with their own bodies you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:57 PM
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Which is true, we all lose some sexual appeal when we get old... why do women find something so normal disturbing?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:56 PM
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Most men have always preferred younger women, no matter the age of the man. Cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:54 PM
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You are a grandma for porn standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:53 PM
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I'm far more concerned about the fact that you can legally marry and fuck children if their parents give consent to it than I am over what an adult does to themselves. So you find being a prostitute less damaging that having a stable relationship too young?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:51 PM
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Women in their 30's are NOT desperate to be impregnated. Half childless old women wanted to have children, but couldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:49 PM
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If you're a genuinely pleasant person and take care of yourself you can definitely find a quality partner at an older age. Most women who could not find a partner at their deep 30s are not pleasant people. Men too, but men have to put more effort, women just have to exist and yet still find a way to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:48 PM
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The term wall was invented by women to manipulate men to marry before fertility is lost. Women just hate that the term is used against them now.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:46 PM
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Math. If genders are 50/50, and women want more relationships and men want more sex, then it makes sense for most women to not find enough men for relationships but plenty for sex. Women are also pickier, so remove 90% of men, you are just dating the few 20 guys all the town is dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:45 PM
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The Wall is mostly revenge porn. Actually, the Wall was a concept invented by women to manipulate men into relationships before they lose fertility. Now they hate it is used against them. The reality is that most women go their entire lives just meeting and dating men and are never without a ton of options, especially attractive ones and especially especially attractive ones that age well. I thought women did not want to be used as fleshlights.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:44 PM
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Dating apps are like sugar today. Sugar has always been part of food, but eating it alone with no fiber has been a problem. Dating apps make it too easy for some people to find sex, but by that dynamic it also discards others because heavy competition. Same happened to porn. Porn today is not like porn in the 50s.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:42 PM
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If you can’t trust people, then don’t be around people. Just be happy being single, childless, and friendless. Precisely not trusting people is what allows us to be comfortable going out, dating, etc. because we don't rely on others to hurt us. Why would you want to be in a relationship with people you’re always thinking the worst of ? Not all pregnancies are between people who trust each other, and trust can be lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:39 PM
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She is obsessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:38 PM
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Ask women how they rate themselves, no matter how old or ugly they are they will most of the time say they are a 9 or 10. Women literally draw their faces with makeup too, while also preaching about "being yourself" or some shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:35 PM
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A lot of interviews online in which average women rate themselves as 10 or 9. But curious, what evidence you have of such claim? Beside feminist articles. I think it is very hard to study these subjective measures.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:34 PM
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School shootings seems to be the direct evolution of serial killers from the 60s through 90s, though. Now that they are easy to track, they just do all killings on one event. I think this aggressiveness is same all men have, but for some is productive and create whole cities, for a few it can be very destructive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 08:42 PM
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Some universities have banned it or made them basically just another generic student organization.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 08:14 PM
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No, I'm not saying that money is not well deserved, but the states will keep printing more money to cover for expenses as population go down. Paying to keep streets that fewer and fewer taxpayers maintain, cities full of empty buildings with no taxpayers, etc. Only way I think childless people, and anyone getting old in general, is to save money in assets such as property and goods. Money itself will just keep losing value.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 08:01 PM
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In a sense, treating mental health in men has a negative price... give them a purpose, a team, something to do, and they will not only be happier, but also be productive to society. Remove such purpose, and men will not only not produce, but actually be a load to society. On men therapy requires more time and talk, which women often prefer, which is totally valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 07:50 PM
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Yes, most of these ideas are to just keep men and women in the plantation, producing for a minority elite.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 07:48 PM
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In terms of "only return what you paid and no more," we should include compounded interest in that calculation, yes? That really adds up. No idea, but usually that interest is made from a thriving economy... if the economy goes down or sideways like in Japan, I don't think that interest will be a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 07:17 PM
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I think to some extent men do have a responsibility to create and engage with social structures Agreed. I do wonder why men sometimes avoid such things, if loneliness is so bad. Maybe they don't have time? Maybe they don't value it as much as women? No idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 07:16 PM
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I'm gay. Stop homophobia.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 07:15 PM
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Un hunh. Clearly when one point doesn't stick you introduce new bullshit and even that is losing. Lol You were the one talking about divorce, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:33 PM
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Too bad women are terrible saving money, so they have to suck old dick XD
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:30 PM
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Agreed, but I just say why men often use single moms as examples. They reflect the expectations of most women on men, as well as their sense of responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:24 PM
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The Internet age.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:23 PM
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It also doesn't change the fact that unhappy women are more likely to initiate divorce than men. Women are also more likely to want to marry in the first place, so? Men just care about being with you and sex. Women add the complexity of requiring, marriage, divorce, rings, chocolates, or shit like that... then complain when it goes bad. Some lesbian marriages falling apart is not an indictment of all lesbian marriage, relations between women and it does not mean that women cause most conflict in…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:18 PM
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Sometimes men stop going out with friends is a condition put by women in the relationship. Since men are less likely to get women than get friends, they probably prioritize relationships over friendships. It is not ideal, but I also observe men often recover friendships very easily... start talking to friends they did not talk with in years. Male friendships don't require much attention as female friendships, maybe that is why men avoid friendships with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:13 PM
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Fact: Men have used a false fear tactic that women will die alone with cats if they don't settle with men. I am not claiming such thing about women, you are just debating a post in your imagination, which proves my point of neuroticism. [ What other aspects of life? If you are not married nor have many friends, video games are not taking you time from such activities. ] A job or carer. Your community. Your friends. Your parents and siblings and their children. Making friends. Volunteering. Relig…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:11 PM
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They weren’t given any information about the men’s emotional states. It clearly says women prefer an opaque view of emotions in men they care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:04 PM
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That will be hell. Airplanes are just starting to fall.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:01 PM
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Actually, migration is terrible because brain drain and also migrants are having fewer kids anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:01 PM
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Productivity is higher than ever thanks to automation in the hands of a few corporations. Old Childless people paid their social security, but that money is used to pay younger people for services, such as doctors, nurses, food, etc. If there are no young people, that money will not be enough, as there will be a demand for labor, and lots of worthless inflated money as there will be way more money than people able to work for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:00 PM
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You can start reducing population with yourself. Weird how population panic artists never see themselves as the problem, but other people existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:59 PM
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I don't think people will care shit about the environment, or disposing of toxic materials, when they will be barely surviving and getting food for themselves, as most money goes to taxes... if they are not outright enslaved.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:58 PM
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Children are not life insurance policies or indentured servants. Ironic you say this, because that is how the state treat them. When you retire, it is other people's paying to keep your lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:57 PM
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Yes, but most of those were young and working for themselves, with no expectation to pay for other people's retirement. Now imagine any population, small or big, where 90% are retied and 10% have to pay like 90% of their income in taxes for those old people... on top of raising their own kids. It is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:57 PM
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You probably did not read the post. The problem is not the number of people but the proportion of retired people for working young people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:56 PM
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It could be fair, or rather they only return what you paid and no more.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:55 PM
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Yes, but you have to consider labor too. Some people pay less taxes or non, but do most manual jobs that keep infrastructure, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:53 PM
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Men are already expected to be providers and protectors, which is the traditional role.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:51 PM
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But marriage made more sense in the past to survive and live a comfortable life, so it makes sense for it to have been taboo. An unmarried woman in the past was probably destined to poverty as most wealth producing jobs were masculine, while unmarried men were trusted less overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:42 PM
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You can also argue men are more prone to seek sexuality first because hormones.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:40 PM
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Part of the reason is that the only male only spaces now are gay spaces, so all men only spaces are associated with such things. This is part of the shaming that feminists did against men to dismantle these spaces. Truth is that men that have other men as friends are happier, women prefer men that have friends, they help each other and suffer less lonely, and they are just as valid as woman only spaces today.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:40 PM
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Feminists know that if men wise up as a whole and step away from the feminist narrative that feminism's power - and thus their power - ends because a whole lot of women will follow men because women are inherently followers. I observed this too. Feminism always talks about how free women are, independent from men and not needing their approval, and yet it insists men to take their Kool-Aid too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:37 PM
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Exactly, the assumptions are contradictory. It says men are desperate in their loneliness and women are finally free or some shit like that, but also it says men are not choosing to date single moms and fat women so they deserve this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:35 PM
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Women find violent men more attractive, those that can beat you to death, so it seems misogyny has nothing to do with sexual attraction as you claim in your delusional revenge fantasy. I don't get why the state spend other men's money and resources on rescuing women from their own bad choices and bastards... I'd rather let them to rot.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:33 PM
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Single women are happier because domestic slavery and subjugation is not desirable. Statistics say that married people are happier overall, men and women, and also live longer. Not to mention that the disaster of lesbian marriage proves that women are the cause of most conflict in partnerships, and they cannot even live with each other effectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:30 PM
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Why is it sad when men are old with no partner and no kids but empowering when it's women? Women often use inversion of values, it is easier than actually living. Like the poor loser that thinks "money is evil" to cope, or the depressed autistic intellectual that copes with "only ignorant people are happy" because he did not find a way to be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:29 PM
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If that was the case, it proves many women are eager to please them even when they are old.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:27 PM
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Women are generally happy alone, sweetheart. Women have higher levels of neuroticism, which means negative emotions such as loneliness feels worse for them, even if they are not that lonely. Men having solitary hobbies and individual ventures prove that they don't need social validation as much as women. Abusing a hobby by engaging in it in excess and to the detriment of other aspects of your life is not the equivalent of gaining your freedom from the subjugation of the opposite sex. What other …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:26 PM
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Women finally have the freedom to live their lives for themselves now. A lot of young men get sucked into gaming intensely as boys. I hope you get the irony of this. You see men going their own ways with their own hobbies as bad, but positive women going their own way. That is not very consistent. Anyway, the saddest part about all of this is that nursing homes are beginning to see these men in their 40s, 50s, and 60s with no wives, kids or other family to check on them because they failed to bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:09 PM
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Part of this is the demonization of male only spaces, such as fraternities.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 03:47 PM
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Women usually prefer higher quality social groups, so it makes sense they just invite friends over, go on vacations with them, etc. That is something very good women are doing, since there are higher quality men, less drunkenness, fewer risks, etc. For men it is way harder to even join or start those groups without some preselection and ongoing social status, though. I observe a lot of men in those groups are already married to a woman there. The problem with this is that men who are single and …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 03:38 PM
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Yes, even if women are not attractive, they get value by proxy from the collective of women. Just as men are expected to be providers even if they are weaker or tired. Value is very relative in comparison to monetary value. For instance, investors may not do anything good for the world but they have high monetary value, while nurses may not earn enough for the lives they help save, plumbers save more lives than doctors thanks to hygiene and infrastructure, etc. We have here like 3 kinds of value…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 03:31 PM
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All advice women give to men is for their own benefit at best, and at worse for the benefit of the elite (aka. the top men they fuck). Women are basically the police that works for free for elite men, in hopes those men marry them or some shit... that is their "payment" to sell common men even in their own families and social class.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 03:19 PM
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This groups attracts very specific demographics. Most men don't hate women, most women don't hate men... and yet if you use this subreddit as sample, that seems to be reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 03:15 PM
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Maybe you are right, but honestly I don't think men make it a big deal out of it as media and women do. If you go out you also find that most people in bars and clubs are men anyway, not women. Are women staying at home more than men? Does that mean they are socializing them? It does not seem that people who go to nigh clubs are less lonely, that my be a way for them to cope with it, but what the hell do I know? What I find disturbing is using this to manipulate men into an agenda or lifestyle t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 02:58 PM
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I get some things like pregnancy are hard for women, but on most things women do have it way easier that they want to admit. Society trust and cares about women way more. Other women care about women more. Men care about women more. Women complain about violence or objectification, but men also suffer that, just not sexual. They are seen as resource providers and protectors first and then as people. This issue of depersonalization is not exclusive of women. Women are born with value and slowly l…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 02:56 PM
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The reasoning is that women have more control over their own sexuality than men. Chad men are just genetically lucky and they just enjoy their sexuality the best they can... even at the cost of other men and women. Those men have nothing to complain about. Only victims here are women (long run) and average men (short term). So far women complain the most men are not commited to them, Women replaced patriarchy with hypergamous hyperpatriarchy. They want the benefit of hypergamy but also monogamou…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 02:34 PM
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The usual complain is that women are dating men that are dating multiple women. Women rather prefer to be used for sex once a week by those men than a less desirable men that is available for them at their level. This is why it is called the contemporary "harem". Since men are hornier, they have no problem fucking women that are lesser than them on terms of SMV, spoiling it to men at the same SMV as her. So, why don't men focus on those chad men instead of women? You may ask. Because women contr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 02:00 PM
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Yes, and it is so fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:46 PM
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It is not so simple. Most men that are successful in apps are probably dating multiple women, and not everyone is monogamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:44 PM
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Their hate is harmless. Hate is just an emotion as any other. What really matters is what they do with this hate. And surely the men that hurt women the most, cheaters and unfaithful men, don't really hate women... they just are indifferent to them and see them as a resource. That is what women choose... the men that treat them as things, and then wonder why good men are resentful and skeptic about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:40 PM
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Although single moms are not most women, single moms prove the point that men are trying to covey about relationships. They are an extreme example of what women want... women feel entitled to the best men even being the worst, women expect men to take responsibilities that are not his, raise children that he did not birth, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:38 PM
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I would say women don't use apps so much precisely because they work so well for them. They just find the guy and GTFO off the app.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:36 PM
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Dating is just a new way or word to do what humans have done for centuries.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:35 PM
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If it is beneficiary to society, the it makes sense for monogamy to exist and it is a natural solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:34 PM
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Agreed, but again, feminism often considers that oppression too... women depending on the family and the house, and yet that ironically what probably the closest thing to a realized and powerful woman in the past. Women always had huge power on the household, even when they were restricted or limited everywhere else by circumstances. Don't you find strange that feminism hates so much staying at home lifestyle, even when most of history that was the most powerful thing a woman could achieve for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:31 PM
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Most relationships in USA at this point are not official, so numbers are poisoned. Fewer divorces because fewer people marry, even after 10 or 20 years together. But those are de facto marriages, sharing money and families, so it is important to consider them too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:10 PM
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In my experience, autistic and shy girls are also interested in neurotypical guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:09 PM
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Lastly, the elephant in the room is also that there just isn't enough RICH Chads. Remember that for majority of women, they chase the richest and/or hottest guy in their youth for commitment and then fall back on lesser men when things don't work out (hence why single rates among men get cut in half when we go from under 30 to over 30). After spending so much time being a mini celebs, a lot of women are going to dread being stuck with avg joe who can't carry her to yatcht parties every week or w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:09 PM
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Hell is already here and we have not even started to realize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:05 PM
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Women want to marry the most AND divorce the most. Men can't win.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:03 PM
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Agreed. I just find unfair how we judge the past as if all its limitations were just arbitrary rules. No, the past was very practical and utilitarian. People wanted to survive, and many cultures came to the same conclusions about marriage, women and dating independently, because they did what worked for them. We live in a prosperity bubble, and I suspect that at some point we will return to social prices closer to reality as in most of history. We spend too much oil and energy and resources to k…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 09:54 PM
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If women could freely divorce in the past, they would probably starve, as often widows did to the point that religions such as Judaism actually forced the brothers of their diseased husband to marry her to prevent starvation and poverty. So yes, women had some rights, but men had power. Even if women had equal rights, men would still dominate the economy, just as they do today, but in the past it was waaay more extreme. People have this false idea that women would have thrived if they were just …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 09:50 PM
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No, I'm arguing that they did have a valid reason to support such institutions. Women indeed depended on men, even if they had ALL rights 300 years ago, 90% of wealth producing jobs were manforce, so men had power anyway. Women Rights only mean something in the age of service jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 09:48 PM
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Yet these single moms feel entitled to men to take care of them, which is also a traditional role, although in a non traditional context. If they want a traditional role from men, what is wrong with men wanting traditional roles from women? I think that is why often single moms don't get what they want or end up in worse situations, because they want to play both sides and lose both angles.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 09:46 PM
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true
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 09:09 PM
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That is actually a good point. The problem of real life is that is it way more limited than online but the shock is limited, yet online these limitations are not there so the clash of values and meeting is worse. But in both cases women have an upper hand, real life or online.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 09:07 PM
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I love when women use this. "I don't use makeup and get in debt with expensive clothes to get my rich boss or cause envy... I just dress for myself" ^_^
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:42 PM
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If this is true, the sad thing is that there probably will not be born enough younger woman for those younger men today. The gap will be push down and down.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:41 PM
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Historically dating has fallen in the past, especially after huge inventions such as agriculture. Of course eventually humans adapted, though. Maybe internet has done something similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:39 PM
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Yes, but usually is to get a "daddy" for their kid or to get financial help. Not saying that is wrong, but men don't like to be used that way. They want to be desired, loved for what they are, and not having to pay for other man's kids. But some men are horny enough to pay the price, and women want those horny men around their kids... which seems risky.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:28 PM
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Yes, it is true women want family and love, but only with very few men. Those men happen to also be liked by other women, so they have all options in dating and love. In this dating market, only top chad men win. But make no mistake... there is no revenge fantasy. Women still win way more than what most men will ever get for just being born average or ugly. Some women do take the risk and date the first guy after the baby fever kicks in, but these relationships are probably not very solid and ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:25 PM
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It is not women's fault, though. They are told all they do is right and valid, that when it is not they just have to blame someone or something, even when the power was on their decisions all time long. But yes, even if online dating does not work for women long term, it works way better than it works for men. They get many benefits from a relationship, even if not the key aspects they want (commitment, family, etc.). I don't get why would this be a feature of only online dating. Meeting people …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:23 PM
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Yes, and it gets worse by age. My only "socialization" now is at work with coworkers. College and High School was ephemeral for me and the few "friends" I had quickly disappeared in a short span of a few years, or moved to other countries or married and you barely see them at Instagram. After a while you also become kind of autistic and lose the few social skills you had. You also make plans and no one shows up, or show up so late that that all time is lost. Sadly, this will probably be our futu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:20 PM
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yes
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:16 PM
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So just suffer through life so that someone is around to maybe help take care of you when you are old? Why do you assume black or white? I'm sure most relationships become lukewarm. Not loving, but also not people hating each other. Not ideal, but also not hell... in a sense we don't know if we can get an ideal relationship anyway. People love to shit in the past because they don't complain. Truth is that people in the past had to survive way more than we do, so their established institutions we…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:16 PM
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Because teens used to get married. True it was more common, but still sexuality was prevalent after the 60s revolution. Consent and boundaries have always been a thing, although in the past they were established by family, not by individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:13 PM
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It is like a racist admitting they are superior... they know they would look as assholes, so they avoid saying it even when they believe it. Many women will never admit this reality because it would be admitting privilege, and women know they rely on sympathy for living in tutorial mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:40 PM
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That is not the case. Women are also studying and getting jobs, and yet they are in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:39 PM
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Good point. I wonder if maybe inflation just also inflated relationships... cheaper, pointless, less buying power...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:38 PM
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We are moving into unknown social changes. Teens are having less sex than grandpas in puritan times, even when open sexuality is praised and welcomed. Something is wrong... or at least there is something we are missing and that may as well be for worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:38 PM
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How is that an actual relationship? It is a relationship in their hearts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:36 PM
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Thats why virgin till marriage worked. Every form of sexual and dating control women have been attacked for decades have proven to be effective for years. No, I don't think restricting sexual market is possible at this point, but it made perfect sense for most of history. Same as restricting people from opioids or gambling or stealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:36 PM
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I see it more as a tradeoff. Observe I'm not suggesting older couples were better. They just prioritized commitment over love. Love could go away, but commitment would stay, even if you did not like that person... the advantage was that that person was responsible for you and you for them, so no loneliness. Now, if love goes away, so goes marriage. It is reasonable to assume goes dies off at some point, or at least weakens enough for couples to break up, so it makes sense to think old couples of…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:25 PM
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No, online dating works great for women because they have the upper hand in such platforms. Women also leave sooner because they get a partner, so that keeps the app full of men. Sure, later women realize the guy is player and blah blah blah, but still they get good dates, free food, nice sex, etc. even if commitment is rare. Beside the initial contact, online dating does not have to be different. I don't get why you assume that is only a problem of online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:22 PM
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I do not believe at all that people are less happy now than they were in the past. I never claimed they were happier. I think you got me wrong. Precisely why marriage was seen as an obligation, even with no love, it was made it so resilient for old people to help each other at advanced age. Love now is all about choice indeed, but love is an emotion that is flaky and variant, so today I don't expect couples to grow up old this way. The second love goes away, so goes any commitment and company.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:19 PM
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That is good, you choose well, but you have to admit some women choose bad men with the intention to "change" them or because "they are good with me" to then realize that violence can be turned against them. Dating and choosing is a responsibility from both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:17 PM
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In fact, divorce rates have decreased in younger generations. What we consider couples today does not mean legally married, and they can have a full life without that. It may be as well that fewer people choose to marry legally and that is why it seems they marry / divorce less in average. Not to mention the population is also going down, so raw numbers are not very reliable if they are not adjusted. Kids? Women choice? I don't know about this, but I don't think it has anything to do with being …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:34 PM
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Even if only 10% of women choose the same few chads, that spoils the market for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:32 PM
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I come here because I also feed from negative talk and anger. Let’s not pretend only chads in the world have been violent. They don't need to be violent. They just dispose of you when you get too old; they have plenty of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:27 PM
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Yes, but statistics say that most violence comes from the men you fuck, not virgins. Yet women insist in hating virgin men. Why? Probably for the same reasons bad people kick their dog after having a bad day.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 04:06 PM
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So women should just not choose any men at all? LOL. If they don't want to take the risk, no. But what women choose or not is not my problem. They can choose an abuser, rapist, I really don't care as long as I don't have to deal with them. I literally don't care, they are dead to me. The problem is when women rather vent on innocent incel or virgin men that don't even leave the room, and yet they are put as tourists or criminals for just not being loved by women, making their life hell or making…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 04:05 PM
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Things are more predictable, acquirable and reliable than people ever will be. But that is why sometimes people want people... to add some randomness, yet yes, objects are better if you want consistency and reliablility.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:52 PM
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Just because these men don’t get chosen doesn’t mean they are harmless. They are harmless as long as they are not chosen, as most harms occurs in the context of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:47 PM
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...But also to ignore the mass shootings by incels because it's rare therefore we shouldn't care? Yes, you should ignore statistically insignificant ways to die or be abused and rather focus on choosing good men, as partners are the most likely to hurt women. Women are just using incel men as scapegoats for their frustration against the terrible men they choose... maybe not abusers, but cheaters, lazy, etc. All that they project on incels that they literally never interact with. Women basically …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:46 PM
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You can control the men you choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:43 PM
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Women shall be scared of their own partners instead of virgin anime watchers, if they read the numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:43 PM
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Choosing is an action.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:42 PM
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It’s about women who have become victims of violent crime because they rejected individual men. Yes most violence comes from SPs, not from innocent individual rejected men that women use to vent their own resentment against.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:41 PM
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Men who hurt women don't hate women, they just see and treat them as their property.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:39 PM
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Exactly. Incels and shy men are too scared to even speak to women, do they really believe they are capable of attacking them? Unless they are full mental, that is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:37 PM
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Yes, and most men who beat women were choosen by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:36 PM
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They dig their own grave.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:35 PM
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It is a bad idea to trust women intuition on men LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:35 PM
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Compare the numbers of people who won Powerball since it exist with the people died in shootings in the last year.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:34 PM
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So is biological drive of men to pursue and feel sexual attraction for women, and yet that is heavily demonized.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:33 PM
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Women get abused by their SPs and chad, and then vent on men that has nothing to do with their terrible choice of men. It is like the guy that beats the dog after work because his boss screamed to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:32 PM
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A reasonable reason to be angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:25 PM
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I'm not talking about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:25 PM
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In other words, these aren't representative of regular women. Same you can say the minority of men that hurt their women are not representative of regular men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:24 PM
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If you ignore the red flags, just because the guy is hot, and also expect the government and good men to rescue you from your terrible decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:23 PM
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They can afford to act as animals because society pays for their consequences, such as STDs, bastards and rescue them from the terrible men they choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:22 PM
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They are just allergic to any kind of personal responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:06 PM
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What does this have to do with autistic men? Autistic and incel men are also often targeted even being the less violent demographic per capita.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:06 PM
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It just seems that women use autistic and shy men as punchbags, release themselves, and keep dating the same actually dangerous men they always date.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 02:54 PM
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They’re not harmless they’re just not given opportunities to act. So they are harmless? Check the men you actually choose, rather than hypotheticals. Hypothetically I would also get sick if I ate shit. What next? Regulate shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 02:53 PM
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Good point, but why focus so much on violence from one side on not another? Would not it be more logical to just don't date, or stop dating, men who turn violent against you? I get sometimes psychologically those women are trapped or so, but what to do then? The state cannot force them to leave such relationships. The police cannot investigate if she does not admit violence. The guy cannot be punished if you keep rewarding him. If one side is doing more violence, such as SPs, then it makes more …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:07 PM
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Those subs, are just as r/IncelTears, are too myopic. They focus on bullying autistic men who resent women, rather than actually dangerous men who do evil to women. Sure, refusing for women can be dangerous, but so can be fucking criminals, and the later seems to be way more common reason for them to be killed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:04 PM
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What are you even talking about? You think police are more focused on autistic men than gangmembers and criminals? Yes. In fact they rather focus on pity crimes from weak people because they are easy targets, even if their actions are not as consequential. For example, England recently was putting cameras everywhere just to get more income from fines, while dangerous groups organize in their countries and they don't do anything to deport or arrest them. Big criminals and dangerous groups? They B…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:01 PM
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Their excuse is that they feel safer with violent men that can use that violence to fight and protect them. In any case, it seems they are taking a huge risk, way higher than just going alone on the streets and being randomly attacked.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 08:58 PM
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Yeah, reality does not seem to fit our assumptions. I also include my assumptions because I always supposed sexless men are move violent, and yet if all violence comes from SPs, what is the foundation of this theory?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 08:57 PM
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You are more likely to win the Powerball than die in a shooting, though. Meanwhile media and governments looks away to the religious and political groups that are responsible for the majority of violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 08:56 PM
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I'm not defending them as much as rather pointing out the flawed logic women have no this by focusing on those men. The danger is not autistic men that never leave their rooms, but actual men you date and fuck. The police would reduce crime the most if they focused on gangs and actual criminals, rather than men that just write hateful comments and yet cannot even look a woman on the eyes in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 08:32 PM
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I think most of those incel men would actually change their views on women for the positive if a woman liked them. Most of them are not actually violent, they just hate women because they are not chosen by them. They are all talk and hateful post, not actual violence, and they would not survive in jail and they know it. Even if those men were dangerous (I don't think they are), most of those men are not desirable to be ever chosen anyway, so they will never get the chance. Now, on rejection, I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 08:30 PM
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I was referring to the statistics that most violence come from men women choose and yet they rather focus on crime panics that are not rooted on the reality that statistics reflect.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 08:26 PM
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Yeah, it sucks that women may be responsible and date actually good men, and yet be victims of random violent and perverts. But be sure that by being responsible on choosing good men (or no men at all), or at least leaving abusive relationships, you are avoiding the most danger to be victim of dangerous men. In any case, I really doubt that autistic virgin men even go out of their rooms. The men doing that are mostly men that disregard any social rules and that is how they get plenty of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 08:24 PM
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You are more likely to win the Powerball than die in a shooting in the last 10 years. The police even spending resources on stopping them saves way less lives than the police focusing on everyday violent crimes. Women would do way more than all authorities could ever do by not sexually rewarding gang members and organized crime. Those women would also be way safer, since most violence occurs in the context of closed doors. I don't blame you. Humans are terrible on understanding statistical signi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 08:22 PM
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Men who resort to violence outside of relationships are not going to suddenly stop doing so inside of a relationship. Agreed, but a relationship opens more opportunities to those men to harm you, more than if those men were just targeting random women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 08:18 PM
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Solution: women should not trust, be vulnerable to or be open to any men at all. Agreed. Men are OK with free prostitutions and women are happy moving papers in offices.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 08:17 PM
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Those sexless autistic men are delusional, but women taking them seriously while ignoring the actual danger they date is way worse (for them). I'm actually caring for women here. Imagine blaming all violence on just a tiny proportion of coward men, while actually dangerous men are sleeping with you. It makes sense to point it out for the well being of women we care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 08:16 PM
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Understandable, but frustrations are not for venting out the way immature children do. Ironic... that is what feminists and women love to do that the most, even for men who just freely choose to not relate to them at the work environment except for work. They write whole posts about how uncomfortable they are about stuff that is a non issue and don't consider the other part's situationships. Women only complain when men vent their own frustration, and yet women are free to vent their nonsense fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 08:15 PM
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Mass shootings are so rare that it is like 10x more likely to die in a car accident. They are overblown. You know who kills the most and causes most crimes? Gangs of criminal men, who have no problem with women, steal to hardworking people, abandon their children, beat their women... but for some reason those are not seen as a priority. Rather they focus on targeting harmless weak autistic depressed men that resent women and themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 08:07 PM
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Incel forums constantly talk about committing violence against women. Yeah, but I think it is more revenge fantasies and so on. Venting. They are too coward and weak to actually do anything against women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 08:05 PM
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Sure, ideally they should improve, but honestly the bullying and harassing against them is not justified if we look at the cold facts. Those are not the men causing the most damage to women or themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 08:04 PM
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The only men who ever harassed me were strangers. I learned that as a teenager - hence stranger danger. Yes, but sadly we cannot do much about strangers. Some countries do nothing if the perpetrators are minorities for fear of racial conflicts. You can, indeed, however, do a lot about the men you choose who are more likely to kill you anyway. Even so, men are more likely to be victims of violence anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:26 PM
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Mass shootings are just the logical continuation of serial murderers in the 70s and 80s. As it got easier to track criminals, then they just kill most people in the least time possible. Nothing changed as much. Both mass shootings and serial killers are extremely rare ways to die. You are like 10x most likely to die in a car. But yes, I'm empathic to the fear. But the police may actually do better focusing on street and gang crime than just random guys going crazy that barely kill anyone in comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:24 PM
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It still is a problem. Concentrated aggression by men against women simply because they're women I realized a lot of those loser men are too weak and coward to actually do anything about their hate for women. Their hate does not have to affect you at all, as long as you don't value their feelings. Men who women choose are actually the dangerous variable here, and yet they refuse to take any responsibility or shame those men, they rather shame autistic men online that has been bullied for just no…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:22 PM
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I wonder why are they so silent about this, and yet women complain so hard about just random autistic virgin men watching anime. My guess is that they just want to shame those men into paying for their cheap OnlyFans porn or buy food for them by their own manipulation. Women basically treat those men as royalty treated peasants, and when peasants don't behave as they expect they get mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:20 PM
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The sub “When Women Refuse” Again, my point. Women prefer to blame random loser men, than actually hold accountable themselves for choosing terrible men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:19 PM
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There is some kind of bullying that works that way, but for instance, bullying short men will not make them grow up as would be bullying fat people, which may inspire them to lose weight. My point is that the whole premise against those men is overblown and unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:18 PM
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Stop using those men as scapegoats for actual violence against women, which comes from dangerous men that women openly choose. Learn some responsibility as adult women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:17 PM
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Sometimes, that dangerous side of men can be turned on them. Yeah, karmic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:16 PM
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Straight men but not straight women report more hostility to the opposite sex after rejection. Why is this strange? Men usually invest more in trying to meet women and have fewer options overall, so it makes sense they get more frustrated in this instance. Straight men but not straight women usually develop anti-women social and political mindsets/awareness when they are not successful. Involuntary celibacy is linked to violence against women. Men are routinely hostile, vile, violent, or even mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:15 PM
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but the men threatening an omega virgin revolt They are harmless compared to the men women fuck, though. It seems just women want a scapegoat for their own abominable tastes on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:09 PM
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Does anyone actually think lack of sex comes into it? Yes, the incel shooter panic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:58 PM
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I doubt men have adapted, except to their own definition of their generation, but the definitions keep changing. Observe how the definition of men that Gen X has is different from that of Boomers, and even more different for Millennials and Zoomers. And younger people rebel to the older definition, so you now have many men cosplaying to be men, not really sure what their responsibility is, as men, in this decaying civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:51 PM
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That analogy would be perfect if you justified the choice those women that left England to join ISIS.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:48 PM
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Well, if they have your DNA...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:47 PM
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Maybe the problem is “the boys” are afraid to become men. We are in a time where we don't really know what it means to be a man. All is changing so fast, the definitions, labels, even the concept of gender... it is pointless. No wonder why people don't have children in the West, this is a ideological hellish place.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:47 PM
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Exactly. Some personality traits cannot be groomed out of people. Maybe stop bullying those people or stop trying to change them, and they may be happier with their lives and not unlive themselves, even if they are social losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:45 PM
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Don't marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:44 PM
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What is not reasonable is focus so much on poor autistic men that are creepy but harmless. Bullying them is dangerous for them, they may actually unlive themselves, just because they may make some women uncomfortable. Focus on the real dangers, which is women's choice on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:44 PM
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Wait, what are we supposed to be changing your views on? Stop hate for autistic men and stop bullying them as inc*els, who are creepy but harmless compared to the dangerous partners you actually choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:43 PM
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The problem with porn is if it includes women who are groomed from a younger age to do this, scammed or trafficked. It is very sad, but honestly it is like buying a product made by Asian workers. Who knows if children or slaves were used to made them. No, the article states that violent men have the tendency to have sons instead of daughters. Simply put, when a violent procreates, it's more likely to be a male child instead of a female child. You are right, not exact reference. This is a better …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:41 PM
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Ask why women choose abusive partners, those are the most likely to beat women anyway, not random men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:09 PM
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And women are calculated machines who seek to exploit those monsters. Yet they up being used as fleshlights and complain when the "brainless creatures" get away.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:08 PM
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And then men complain: "Why do women treat us like we're predators? It's not fair!" Most abusers of women are partners WOMEN choose, not random men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:07 PM
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Yes. Ovulation (aka Menstruation) affects their tastes on men, even on their own husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 02:43 PM
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The problem of Europe is the same of the University of Puerto Rico, that I went to. They are cheap or free, but they are very selective on academic achievements in school. It makes sense because if you pay for everyone's education, then the price is cut on the amount of people you can take. But there are also private colleges there that are more accessible for most people, even if not free.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 01:08 PM
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IT is great, at least for now. Glad you did well.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 01:06 PM
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I went to community college and that way more than enough for me. Going to elite colleges, for royalty, and then expecting others to pay for your terrible decisions of studying a useless degree... that is terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 12:55 PM
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Stupid endless wars with Ukraine and Israel on top of geocoding the younger male population for them, money to import and maintain homeless refugees and migrants that hate women and gays, welfare for people who still work under the table, to pay big pharma vaccines that did not work as expected anyway, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 12:54 PM
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I don't remember ever having even the option of having friends or escalating social relationships. In fact, I was always left behind or not invited. Thanks to the internet, I realized many people had the same issues. People will live the best they can. Some choose destructive things like opioids or alcohol, some prefer medical treatments such as the pills I described or similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 12:48 PM
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This is why they go to college. For 200k in debt in a degree for a job they never get anyway. College is great, but just as everything, if everyone does it then it loses its edge.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:59 PM
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I know what taxes are supposed to pay for. I also know what they are actually used for instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:41 PM
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IDK, women in the past did a lot... clothes, feed the farm animals, cooking, etc. Today they just move papers around.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:19 PM
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Yeah, since dollar is more worthless by the year, it makes sense to rely more on parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:18 PM
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Most women's jobs are there just for a corporation to claim they hire women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:16 PM
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Men bring the same, but though the state. Men don't really feel as much as contributing to society directly anymore, probably because there is no society anymore in a lot of the west. It is just a bunch of families paying taxes or trying to survive with . There is literally no reason why a single childless man should be paying taxes, except maybe for fear of being homeless or making mom sad. They are just basically paying for women they don't fuck, men that don't care about them, and bastards.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:15 PM
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Poverty is the West usually does not mean people starving. Having children may become soon the best way to make wealth as population collapses, your children take care of you and pay more taxes and parents will be richer. This also happened in the past, that is why people often had children to help them in the fields and so on. We are slowly returning to that as the population bubble collapses and more old people expect more taxes from a shrinking younger working population.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:11 PM
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It is a shit test. The time a man is actually emotionally available, she loses all respect. Truth is that it is good for men, women and even society for men to be emotionally cold. This does not mean they don't have emotions, but they express in other ways that don't interfere with their work, that don't distress others, and that don't make others lose respect in them. Women cry for empathy and they get it. Men don't get any empathy if they cry. Women cry for manipulation. Men actually lose resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:07 PM
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My advice for modern western women who want to get married: Dont wait too long, after 2 years if he doesnt want to marry you , move on Yes. It is common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:06 PM
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Why would you need rights to protect you if you lived in an utopic heavenly paradise? In any case, women are actually the chief beneficiaries of all kind of oppressions. They are the greatest consumers of goods made by enslaved Asian workers, for example, and not by a little by a lot... from fashion to makeup to all kind of shit they love to buy. Women also choose rich men for winning in the capitalistic economy, which obviously means those men will be competitive and exploitative of others and …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:02 PM
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Ask yourself why I'm being upvoted, then
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:57 PM
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committing mass-murder. Most of them are harmless. Women kill way more with abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:56 PM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:05 PM
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They just overblow issues such as in this article: Fetishized, sexualized and marginalized, Asian women are uniquely vulnerable to violence | CNN
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:05 PM
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It seems to me that women often have more reason to marry and divorce than men. For example, women often want the guy to ask them for marriage, but also they are likely to start a divorce if they "lost love" or if the guy lost his job. Meanwhile, men often don't have any problem staying in a dying marriage. They don't feel it as a load, they rather choose to live as roommates.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:00 PM
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Women like social interaction and they usually interact organically with everyone who is friendly and pleasant. Well, good for you. Not all men like that, though. I'm sure that not even most guys in office do that, so women should not feel excluded for just one or two guys being like that. We all deal with different mental issues and assumptions. It is not always about avoiding women or someone, but sometimes it is about how we manage our life circumstances, and others may see it as an insult or…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 06:56 PM
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Liberatarians and anarcho-capitalists don't think he government should handle those services, but rather corporations and private entities. Anarcho-capitalists are more extremist on this, if I'm not mistaken. Libertarians do believe the state needs to pay for roads and stuff. Now, these ideas are probably not very realistic or implementable anyway, but I don't think this is propaganda... this is just what they believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 06:51 PM
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The problem is that a lot of things incels say are also said by women, but incels say it from the view of it being a disadvantage for men. Yet both women and incels agree on the facts... women just hate that those facts also make them look terrible and privileged.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 06:38 PM
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No rights exist, except violence and maybe divine right if you believe in God. At the end, all rights are only valid if they are backed by violence. Women rights are on a layer over already existing rights, and yet they still rely on being enforced by violence by... men. So I call them fake because they are oxymorons. They don't empower women, they actually rely on fundamental power from men to "exist".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 06:34 PM
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Yeah, I get it. Sadly, as we move to more comfort and entertainment, the least authenticity and reality we get. We are slowly getting into the matrix.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 06:31 PM
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Exactly, although in some countries such as Sweden they legally want to stop men from marrying elsewhere, so it makes sense they raise a voice in those cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:56 PM
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Maybe you are asexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:54 PM
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Yes, but what is the alternative? Try and spend money for years with little to no social success? It is a viable alternative for many people to just take the pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:53 PM
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No, but you still need a woman even to be born. That is enough for two genders to have to exist, at least for now. But yes, you don't really need someone special to be happy, but it is ideal and a priority for many people, men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:52 PM
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uh? Men don't claim they don't need women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:51 PM
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And it’s still not as crazy as shooting people lol Nothing to do with wanting pussy. Violent men have more children anyway. In any case, it may be women sexually reinforcing such behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:09 PM
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I realized that women are basically act as the police of elite men. Women replaces patriarchy with hyperpatriarchy. They use shame and sexual manipulation to do all the things that only benefit top men in society, at the cost of the rest of men being used and oppressed, because they delude themselves into thinking those top men will ever commit to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:07 PM
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But then the same women will complain internet dudes will exagerrate to say the same thing. If men say it they are called incels and literally banned here for that. If women say it they are powerful and independent. WTF?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:01 PM
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I don't need men... as long as men keep my bubble, maintain almost all vital infrastructure, pay 80% of taxes to pay for my bastards and terrible decisions, and enforce my fake woman rights. Hehe I'm so independent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:00 PM
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Ok, so? Glad you moved on. What do you want? A prize or a praise? You seem to put it in too much importance making posts like this, in forums about gender and dating, though. You also seem to define how you feel better about yourself in comparison to the other gender doing worse, which is also stupid and kind of pathetic. Still plenty of women do want a family and children, and over half of childless older women wanted to have children but didn't. That is terrible if that was in your life plans.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:56 PM
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Such behavior to change appearance, or spend a lot of money on it, is way more commonly found in women. Looks and superficiality are paramount to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:48 PM
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But that is power. That means we can change our mind and feel good about life as it is, rather than longing for what it is not. It does not sound positive, but I'm positive here. If we find a way to be OK in our own, without others, we should welcome it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:35 PM
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Those women still prefer neurotypical men, and men don't care if they are socially inept.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:34 PM
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Well, women actually modify their bodies for getting the men they want or keeping, which is as crazy. Most shooters are not incels, actually most criminals have kids... yes, women love to fuck criminals that beat them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:58 PM
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I don’t think men need women more but they want them more. That is the key. Needing is slightly different from wanting, but wanting can be so strong that some call it a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:56 PM
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Too much effort. They want sex, but not as much to change themselves. Women are not an opioid or something, they actually get very annoying by time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:55 PM
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Why would one approach a woman one regards as settling material and risk getting rejected by someone "below oneself" for extra hurt of ego? This is key. Sure, men like many women and like them more than women like men, but they still find like a third of them disgusting. Why risk your dignity asking them out?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:53 PM
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What? What groups are you talking about? They are sexual clubs. Single women and couples are welcome to them, but not single men. The same dynamic can be found in other social groups, but it is less obvious. I don't think gaming or hobby groups can contain the whole dynamic of social groups. You still need way more in common to belong to a social group that is self-standing and not just congregating to play a game.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:52 PM
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That is kind of a cyclical thinking here. They are important because we feel they are important.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:50 PM
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Because often those kids become criminal themselves. Most poor people are not criminal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:48 PM
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Yes, it is a very socially negative outcome. My alternative is to rug my out feelings about it. If I find a way to not feel bad about being a social loser, or at least not care nearly as much, I'm sure I can live a quality life. I already don't rely on any individual for anything, so that would make no much difference if I have social life or not, but it would make a lot of difference if I find a way to NOT feel bad about it. If you feel resentful about women, remember that for every lonely man …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:47 PM
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You can see the swinger groups. They welcome single women and couples, not single men, or rather make the later pay way more. Social groups are similar, but obviously not only sexual dynamic. Attitude has nothing to do with it because people don't even give you a chance to express yourself to join their group.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:39 PM
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Women live in social tutorial mode. That is not comparable to the experience of average guys in any way. Even social guys have to put way more effort in social interactions than women ever will have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:37 PM
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Yes, which is very unfortunate for men who moved to another city or had some social issues growing up. Women also suffer this but it is less likely as single women are welcome to groups too and not seen as a potential threat... but to be fair women feel loneliness worse than men because neurotic personality. Basically High School and College never leaves you, which is very fucked up. Since we cannot force others to be social, and you need to be social to be more social, I guess the only option i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:36 PM
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Yes, it is the worst. That is why I try to rely on others the least. They are totally unreliable and dismissive about any kind of social interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:33 PM
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Maybe we put too much importance on social relationships. In the past we HAD to, to survive. Not anymore, but feelings have not catch on. I think antidepressants such as Zoloft and Prozac can easily override the need for social validation and company for most lonely people. A pill is way cheaper than just getting more frustrating trying to make "friends" or buying them food or spending time you don't have to "make" them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:31 PM
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Maybe we should not be putting so much importance on social networks and relationships in the first place. Yes, I get part of it screams to have friends and love, but sadly it is over for some of us, and trying to change that can actually make you feel worse with yourself, so it is a whole hard to feel. Fortunately, lonely people like me also are likely to die way younger, so less suffering ahead. I just focus on making good money for myself. I can take risky investments because it is MY money a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:29 PM
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I find it odd women always complain about this, if they ignore the shit out of like 80% of men they encounter even in daily basis. Women are more likely to ignore the shit out of men than vice versa. Those women probably just get mad when the guy is attractive, or talks to other women, but not to them. In any case, it is the person's decision. The man may be autistic, or just not like you. Half the human population is men, so a few ignoring you is not a big deal. In any case, I think those men i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:22 PM
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Social Interactions are not as important anymore to survive. All is atomized in corporations and ministeries. The last thing to overcome here is the social stigma and loneliness. If we already overcame relying on others (as individuals) even to survive, then I'm sure there must be a way to finally be free from society for good psychologically. The last frontier is shame, and sadly it is a hell of a fight. Imagine being totally independent and not relying on anyone as individual, and yet still lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:09 PM
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Having children is actually good for the economy and to pay taxes for the childfree hypocrites who rely on younger generations to wipe their old ass but hate kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:05 PM
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My point still holds that hormones basically change the personality of women in the span of days. Testosterone too, but it is at least more stable. I'm not blaming women for that, that is their own nature, but clearly they are harder to understand and follow as equals if they are changing every few weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:03 PM
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It’s either that or die alone having no one remember you. Most people in groups are forgotten too, so it does not really matter as much if you are remembered or not as a lonely person. The problem is the decades of loneliness ahead. How to handle it? There is literally no way to change it in a time effective way, and I'm tired of people claiming otherwise, making people more frustrated and resentful by trying. I think I'd rather take Zoloft and just find activities I like. That is what lonely pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:02 PM
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No, because those are the ones doing the labor for the rich anyway. Rich people such as Elon actually want people to have more kids, and they are the ones that will pay for us all. People who have kids are actually more useful to tax income and labor than childfree feminists that never had kids and don't have any real talent or contribution, and will be a social burden for decades ahead as they get old and create a straing on the shrinking youth. Meanwhile, criminals having kids basically means …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 01:59 PM
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Most violence from men against women comes from partners, so I think this fear is exaggerated. Men are in fact most likely to be victims of violence anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 01:56 PM
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Triangulation. I listen what women say.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 01:51 PM
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Yes, but since women are choosing only chad and chad has to pay for those kids, he is not having as many as needed to keep the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 01:51 PM
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Are you on birth control pills? That pill often makes women choose more feminine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 05:19 PM
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hormones
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 05:06 PM
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And you’re how old? We’re you in the workforce when women were expected to wear dresses/skirts and heels every day at the office? Men uniforms are often way more restrictive than women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 03:05 PM
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Glad it is working for you. I hope you the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 02:11 PM
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Men are more likely to be victims of violence, therefore women having more fear of violence than men is not based on reality. Those women are just insecure. Women are not suffering more violence than men. Statistically speaking, both men and women are likely to suffer it. It makes sense for men to be more violent because testosterone, socialization, less social support, etc. but that is another issue to discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 02:10 PM
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Exactly. Almost all women focus about is pure projection. They treat like 90% of men as if they don't exist, then complain when the 10% top men don't talk to them. It is so stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:26 PM
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Autism is more common in men, and those women still expect socially adept men as other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:21 PM
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Why change social life to be more social, rather than practice being perfectly comfortable on your own skin and don't care about belonging?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:21 PM
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I have tried going to bars alone, but it feel to awkward. There are already couples and groups there. It is basically a humiliation ritual and not everyone has enough energy and time for that shit. Sure, it may work for some people, but it is not reasonable method for many men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:20 PM
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There is not much you can do, sadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:18 PM
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Sadly, attraction has little to do with a man being good or bad long run. If you have good values and respect women it is reasonable to ask why do women prefer men who treat them worse. Criminals have more children than non criminal men, and WE have to pay for their bastards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:16 PM
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I am a single woman and quite frankly terrified of dating. I haven't dated in over a year because quite frankly I don't really trust men anymore Well, that is something you have to deal with if you intend to have a relationship and family. Good thing is that you don't have to get the perfect man, just one good enough for you, and you don't have to date for years... just until you meet the right one. Don't assume this limbo is forever. I'd rather just stay single. Good for you, although you seem …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:15 PM
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To be fair, in a few years half women over 30 will also be childless. Chad is fucking, but not having kids, undermining the only advantage Chad provided, which was good genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:13 PM
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This is the best explanation. There are fewer women in apps, because they get the guy and leave (then complain the guy has like 4 other women, but that is another issue, they can "fix" him).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:12 PM
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A lot of people meet their parter before internet. Marriage and fertility rate is actually collapsing. Some men are desperate enough to choose the worst options out of desperation
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:11 PM
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Convicted criminal offenders had more children than individuals never convicted of a criminal offense. That's fucked up, and innocent people have to pay for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:09 PM
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A few things to consider: Most people are not that political. Right or Left, they do have political ideas, but they are not so strict about their partners' political views. People do consider politics of partners if they affect them directly, but usually this is after a period of dating and consideration for serious relationships. People prefer to date people with similar values, political or religious or secular.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:05 PM
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it says during ovulation, not menstruation I thought it was the same? Whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:02 PM
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In that situation I don't think women can win. If they say yes they still are taking risks too. Not refusing will just move the violence down the line. Sane with drug addicts and beggers, you still have to say NO.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:01 PM
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Some women assume men are very cruel in their choices. That is not the case, it is pure projection of their own pickiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 12:57 PM
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Looks like marriage has been a thing BEFORE the abrahamic tribes and laws! Civilization has existed way before Abrahamic religions, before even the first written civil law. It makes sense for all forms of primitive tribes to punish cheating at some point if they get to some social sophistication.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 12:53 PM
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Some studies say that women prefer other types of men depending if they are on menstruation or not. We are basically slaves of our hormones.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 12:51 PM
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Is the only reason a guy would talk to a woman is because he wants to date her/fuck her? Why not? Not everyone is entitled to anyone's friendship or social interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 12:46 PM
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hit on* 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 12:44 PM
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I would say the same can apply to men as well. I'm a bartender, and the amount of men that thought I liked them, when I was actually just doing my job, is astounding. It seems it is usually needy people who jump at those conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 08:56 PM
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Some men to want commitment for the sake of it, others see commitment as the only way to get frequent sex. In any case, that is the point of commitment... some sexual and romantic exclusivity, and pooling resources. I just observe that only men complaining about women not interested in them are men that never get women, while married men at work are almost always complaining about how much women ask for and how annoying they are. In both cases I think it is men not being comfortable in their cur…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 08:54 PM
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Don't worry. What men considered attractive is very basic (usually not too old and not too fat), they even include women that other women don't consider attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 08:49 PM
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Guys that cannot get a partner complain. Guys that get a partner complain about their partner. We cannot win :/
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 08:35 PM
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mom
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 08:35 PM
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I would not say men are attracted to every woman they look at, but their attraction threshold is way lower. The pattern is also kind of inverted. In men it starts sexually and evolves romantically. For women it starts more often romantically and then becomes sexual. At least so it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 08:34 PM
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As I said in another comment, It is odd. Some women are hit all the time, even my auntie in her deep 60s and 70s was being hit by men her age every time we go out. Other women are never hit except maybe once or twice, such as my mom, who is younger, after becoming a widow. So why are some more attractive women almost never hit on? Why some average women are hit on all the time instead? Why some women are ignored in groups and others get all the attention? Looks explain some of it, but after it, …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 08:09 PM
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And some women really are hit on all the time. It is odd. Some women are hit on* all the time, even like my auntie in her deep 60s and 70s. Other women are never hit on* except maybe once or twice, such as my mom, who is younger, after becoming a widow. There must be a science behind this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 08:06 PM
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Maybe you should be focusing your criticism on the many men who hit on women in inappropriate circumstances That is very subjective. It depends a lot on how good looking the guy is, if she is on menstruation, if he is tall or not, if he is or looks white, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 08:05 PM
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You can survive without a lot of things, even without food for a long time, even without social acceptance or love... but yes, it sucks. That is a terrible argument because we live so far from lacking basic needs. Glad you agree porn is OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 07:21 PM
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Similar reason why those desirable men treat women as fleshlight. Commitment with women is not worth it, you are basically scammed out of your money and social life and patience for a woman that gets fat, old, and too mentally unstable. Top Men really can't afford to commit to women until they prove worthy of it (they can't). Those days are long gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 07:01 PM
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I'm talking more about the sexual desire that is the impulse to procreate, whatever you want to procreate or not. Porn usage is a way to cope with that, and yet it is often hated by both redpilled and feminist types.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:43 PM
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Those guys literally have no better option, though :/ They are well aware it looks weird. They don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:35 PM
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Women love to talk about men as a class "men are nasty" or "men are violent" but they hate when men generalize "women are bitches" or "women are too picky". All those cases are generalizations and they are not ideal, but clearly women have a green card and social acceptance when they make those judgements, which is not the case for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:07 PM
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It may be weird for women, but the guy may have had bad experience with women before, so maybe it is best for women in that environment to be ignored than be creeped out. Remember some men have autistic traits or social issues that women may find creepy or discomforting. Maybe not speaking to women is the least problematic trait they have, so they deal with it that way. It is the tradeoff and probably they want to keep the job, and being avoidant probably can be justified by autism or similar co…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:49 PM
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So? Women are weaker, so it makes sense they are also victims of violence. The surprise is how close the attacks are. Women being at least 2x weaker than men would make people think they are as much victims of crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:45 PM
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Yes, but I still don't get the issue with rejection. As if telling those guys "yes" or ignoring them would be safer anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:35 PM
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In 2021, there were slightly more male victims of violent crime than female victims, with about 1,456,310 male victims and 1,278,390 female victims. U.S. violent crime victims, by gender 2022 | Statista
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:32 PM
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You don't really need to procreate. You don't need to socialize either, but it affects your life quality. Also the impulse is there even if you don't actually procreate. Then you demonize and shame the same people for using porn or AI gf. Don't you see how cruel and evil this is against these people?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:30 PM
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Great essay, and the lack of empathy here in these commets is astonishing. Yes, we lonely people know it is our fault, we are not blaming others, but we cannot fix it without feedback of others. Since there is no one, we are stuck. Why it is so hard to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:29 PM
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Very sad for you, but if that is the case, saying yes to a dangerous man, is as dangerous anyway. At that point you cannot really win with mentally unstable people.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:26 PM
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Again, prefer statistics, not individual cases because you can literally find examples of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:25 PM
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Yeah, they talk from a position of social privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:23 PM
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If what you’re describing as a “dead relationship” is better than being single, why does it have to be a relationship at all? It may have some financial and company benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:22 PM
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You cannot deny men are considered negatively more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:21 PM
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Some ugly girls may feel left behind that better looking girls are being asked out and not them, so they imagine being asked out by guys just asking them random stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:20 PM
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Again, what the fuck does it has to do with honesty? That only matters if you know the guy for a while. All people have a facade to meet people initially.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:20 PM
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Yeah, if my coworker is ignoring me, that can make getting work done a bit difficult if we're supposed to be working as a team. Most complains seem to be that the guy precisely only talks about work and does not invite girls outside of office. Truth is that men find friendship with women messy, especially if she has a relationship already. He may trigger her partner jealous or she may expect the guy to pay for her food. Just as men are not entitled to romance or sex with women, women are not ent…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:19 PM
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Very sad, but also very unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:16 PM
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Women basically live in tutorial mode. Pointing it out is regarded as basically criticizing royalty. Even ignoring them at work gets you in issues, it is basically ignoring royalty. Yes, apparently having a hole means you must be treated as royalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:16 PM
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What does this have to do with honesty? You are barely meeting guys in those interactions. Just learn to say no, like you say to preachers, sellers, and beggers (the later are way more likely to get violent anyway). Women just want men to self select and probably self delete themselves too. So sorry, but no sympathy for their cruelty. Learn a grow and say no. Then complain if the guy insists.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:13 PM
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I do not think it logically follows not to try. Trying can be fun! It isn't if results are astronomically unlikely. Stop gaslighting people. Don't you think these people at least tried sometimes in their lives? And yes, I think you come from a long line of men who likely felt enormous pain and suffered immensely and tried anyway. People in the past had very limited dating options. Now you have to compete with people in the country. Life is easier now for people in other aspects, but for dating i…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:08 PM
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Yet also women complain at work when guys don't talk to them or ignore them LOL. Make your minds. Just take it with humor and say 'no'. That's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:06 PM
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You're claiming your everyday interactions with unattractive women gets interpreted as flirting. Seriously? Yes. I think it is either because they don't have a point of reference or just because they want a reason to keep their ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:05 PM
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Men feel attracted to attractive women... the horror. It is not a big deal even if it was the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:04 PM
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We know similar women that tell about these experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:03 PM
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Men often do the same mistake, but reality hits them quicker.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 03:33 PM
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There are some variation of these possibilities: You have an unwelcoming look. Maybe you look lesbian or angry or too masculine. You rarely leave house or don't spend a lot of times around others. You are good looking and intimidating. Men assume you are taken. You actually underestimate men talking to you, in the sense you assume they are just being nice and don't want to do anything with you, even if they are open to that possibility. All of that can be fixed, even if you are ugly, just adjust…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 03:31 PM
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Yes, worrying about it makes it worth, but if people truly were as happy alone then why would they even have friends or date in the first place? Clearly you are losing life quality by being lonely, and it is a reason to feel bad about if you are like most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 03:09 PM
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My dad used to always say "Dying is the one thing everyone does right!" This assumption is a little disingenuous and insensitive. Yes, we all die alone, but being alone in your 60s, 70s, and 80s, as you rot in a hospital before dying, is hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 02:35 PM
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I do think monogamy is still compatible with civilization, but a lot of changes such as birth control have changed the dynamic a little, and the modern state (thanks to tech) is now taking a role similar to tribes caring for the collective... so monogamy is being questioned. But yes, I agree monogamy is positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 02:31 PM
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You're ultimately correct that people with average or below genetics need to take more risks to compensate. And? And some people just don't want to participate in a humiliation ritual of doing 20x more to get nothing. Here is an easier thing... just leave people take their own fucking decisions and complain and shake their frustrations their own way. 99.9% of times it literally does not affect you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 02:30 PM
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Women complaining about Karen tantrums that they love to throw to manipulate their own partners and government and society? LOL, you just hate when your infantile shitty manipulation strategy is used against you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 02:27 PM
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It may not be as natural in humans as we want to believe, but most civilizations eventually found that it is better long run to be monogamous. There are a few advantages: Couples raising their own kids make more sense if there are no longer tribes to commonly care for kids. Most men having a partner means less men with nothing to lose. So, more taxpayers, more population, and more stability. It is a win-win, and the only cost if some genetic quality (which can compensate for greater genetic dive…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 02:25 PM
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Sadly, resentment is not very rational. It is an emotional response. For example, many women may resent better looking or younger women, but it is not the wrong of those women to be just better. But yes, I get your point. At the end resentment destroy the most the person that holds it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 02:22 PM
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I don’t really see men taking risks consistently and failing. That is the path to success for men. It is true successful men have to take risks, but most men who take risks just lose even more anyway. We only see the winners, obviously. The rules are also not balanced. A man being born 6'2" and being way better looking than an average man does not really to take a lot of risks, and the rewards he gets are way greater. If the rules of genetic reality and initial circumstances are not fair, it mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 02:20 PM
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Yes, they have to take the same decisions as men: surrender or die. Many men choose rather to die than betray their country or leave their family to be captured. Women never really had an urge to have such honor, which is OK as they truly did not have such chance to develop that muscle anyway. My point is that women are just as selfish as men, they just decorate it with emotions and helplessness, or blame men, just to feel better with themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 02:17 PM
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Good point. My theory in that case is virtue signaling: Women hate to be seen as cruel or cold hearted, and leaving the husband for an illness would break such image. Men are just less likely to care about what others think (personality treat of disagreeability is way more common in men).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 02:15 PM
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I'm not judging women for this decision, it makes sense as an strategy if you are weaker than oppressors to just accept them as your new reality. But women selling themselves as more virtuous and noble is stupid. They clearly are just being selfish, just as men are. Women are just less honest about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 02:14 PM
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In the same token a man not being attracted to an old or fat woman is not his flawed. It is his preferences too. Women are way pickier than men, so I don't get why you find strange those rejected resent women. The weird thing would be if they didn't. But don't worry, most of them are harmless and are not anyone's choice anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 02:12 PM
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It seems it is mostly the case when the couple is already falling: Not surprisingly, doctors and nurses who've witnessed the phenomenon say it's the marriages that are already in trouble that are more likely to fall apart when the wife receives a serious diagnosis. Another cancer risk for women / Men more likely to leave them (sfgate.com) Which makes sense... if you are separating or hate each other, why would you stay with such person in hard times? Women are picky and cruel on men on initial s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 02:07 PM
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Women were not necessarily raped, they freely and voluntarily fucked the killer of their own husband and son.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:59 PM
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I will judge them if they try to make it out to be women’s fault or deficiency Technically it is women's choice, but people vent in their own way. People cope that way. Women also love blaming men for everything even not being autistic, It is fair for those men to do the same. It literally does not affect you unless you care about their false judgements.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:58 PM
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It is true many of those men are not taking risks, but look at men that take risks... they try everything, and many of them stay single and unloved. Look at those men with "female friends" who always have a social life but no romantic relationships. Those men see that taking risks costs a lot and often ends up in nothing, so why should they take more risks if they see that even that makes them look desperate or it does not work anyway? Sure, they complain, but what is wrong with that? They are n…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:56 PM
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Yes, but asking them to change their personality is too much. Maybe people should be empathic and just encourage them to embrace acceptance. Love and relationships are not for everyone, and society shaming people into changing themselves or choosing terrible relationships to cope is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:52 PM
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Getting "crazy by hormones" is probably one very good way of learning to deal with them. Are you thinking that testosterone DOESN'T influence aggressive behavior? Yes, testosterone also affects men and yet women still want men to change their nature, and also testosterone usually don't fluctuate a lot. Meanwhile men accept the fluctuating nature of women moods , while women always blame men even if it is just testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:50 PM
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So oftentimes you hear a girl saying “well I’m alone and it’s my choice”. But what she implies it’s that if she doesn’t like this situation anymore she can get into a relationship. Many others don’t have this option. Exactly, not to mention that women often have their daddy and social support and all government support on their side. They are never alone, they live in a social safe box.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:47 PM
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being alone is way better than having someone suck the life out of you every day Countless people choosing rather to stay suggests you are wrong, and you are misleading people to take pressured decisions or feel bad about less-than-ideal relationships even if for those people being alone is way more harmful. You should feel bad with yourself for pushing this shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:46 PM
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Men are 7x more likely to leave then they usually are if their wife is diagnosed with cancer Those statistics have been debunked. They don't account for the fact the man usually died sooner, and sometimes they divorce for legal benefits of healthcare, even if they are still together.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:44 PM
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A relationship may not be loving but that does not mean it is not positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:43 PM
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The whole concept of left brain and right brain regarding emotions/rationality is debunked. Not really. Sure, it is an incomplete and poorly understood model, but it is true that there is some specialization in parts of the brain. t. Phrenologist
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 02:37 PM
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Women who choose to date trashy men deserve no sympathy It does not help that all public resources and authorities are used to bail their terrible decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 02:28 PM
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Dont pay for dates, if she makes you then she sees you as a provider and you will be deadbedroomed. Pay when you are in a relationship and consistently having sex. That is the only way. Otherwise you will have a lot of parasitic women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 02:10 PM
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I can go without speaking with my guy friends for a year and pick right up where we left off with no hard feelings. Can't do that with women. Good point. Men also have no problem with solitary hobbies most of the time, and their own family can be enough social exposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 02:06 PM
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Or maybe you're just a simp. You don't have to give girls free car rides to be their friend. I don't do it, but I hear about it so much... favors by proxy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 02:04 PM
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I guess it depends on the denominations. Traditional protestant denominations are usually geriatric, while Catholic and Pentecostal denominations are usually younger. But I agree in any case they serve as a community and social space for many people, older and young, which is mostly positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 02:04 PM
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women are much more likely to do the emotional work of a relationship Are they? They get crazy by hormones at least once a month and pregnancy. Men have to keep the emotional stability of the relationship. That is why lesbian relationships are a disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 02:02 PM
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The disaster of lesbian relationships, which lacks the male variable, suggests men don't make relationships worse... it is women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 01:59 PM
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IQ tests are usually skewed to Left side part of the brain, though. But yes, at the end it is also IQ on more subtle and subjective matters, but harder to measure. In any case, it seems it is mostly intellectuals trying to justify how unfair the world is because they are not on top of the pyramid. Midwits just live and let live.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 01:58 PM
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It is just a media frenzy. There is no such "male loneliness" crisis, adjusted to female loneliness. Men prefer fewer friends and are OK with few or none. Men cannot be starved of attention as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:46 PM
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Well, they usually mean being corporate slaves, then complain they are too old to have children or claim men don't like them for working... which is not true, but since they choose job firsts men look elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:21 PM
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So women are corporate robots and debt slaves too now? Good for them, they must be so happy and proud.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:15 PM
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Women are more likely to start divorces, so their love is way more conditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:13 PM
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Nothing of that requires a woman (or a man), except childbearing, for now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:10 PM
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It became a meme. I remember 10 years ago it was not such a big deal. 6 is a nice round number, even if feet measurement are arbitrary and most men are taller than most women anyway. If women want 6' or taller men, they have like 20% of men only to pick. Obviously, those men will have huge power over them... no wonder they use them as sexual objects. But that is historical. Women have always preferred to be just a second plate of Chad than first place of men at their own level. Of course, this i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 05:26 PM
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Women use men for everything: protection, money, status, infrastructure, etc. Women are not that useful, except that they are desired (sex) and vital (reproduction) for the actual producers of value.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 05:24 PM
1

It may work as an intersex friendship, but I think it is less stable. So many things can go wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 05:20 PM
1

Which priority are you talking about - viewing women primarily as a resource for sexual gratification or romantic and sexual relationships vs. platonic friendship? That is too binary. Most women mean nothing at all to most men, just as most men are seen by women, and at best are cordial to them. There is no always an agenda to make friends or find love or sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 04:15 PM
1

The issue is men not being sufficiently attractive, physically and otherwise, to interest sufficient women to fuck, date and marry them to their satisfaction. But nobody said life was fair and that everyone gets what they want If those men you mention are such in demand, and women still want relationships and family, then those few men have way more power over most women. No wonder they use those women for sex only, because those men can, which explains the complains of women about men (even whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 04:13 PM
1

I hold mainly stable coins. My purpose is retirement, and cryptocurrency is not going away. What may happen is that new crypto tech comes, but I can exchange what I have for it. Literally best high risk investment I ever made.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 03:55 PM
2

Also many men who love their wives love them unconditionally, but wives love them back conditionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 03:53 PM
1

Whatever is "creepy" or not is irrelevant. It happens, and after it the friendship will either die or never be the same. It is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 03:52 PM
2

Yeah, in a sense nationalism makes sense as a replacement to transcendental spirituality, but we know how it can end.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 03:51 PM
1

Infrastructure is not just buildings and cleaning sawyers, but also the movement of wealth and investments and so on. Even currently useless men are still more likely to eventually contribute to those jobs than average women. But again, this does not mean women are less valuable, they contribute to healthcare and house a lot, but clearly genders are very well segregated in many areas so as long as that segregation continues then the idea of genders needing each other will be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 03:01 PM
1

Hate and resentment are very good motivators. I rather have resentment than apathy about dating, because the first have more energy that you can funnel. Right now I'm using my energy to invest and make good money. I basically set my retirement for life this year. I can also take high risks because I don't owe anyone anything. Sure, you may not get a partner, but you can use that resentment to not care shit about your country or community. For example, I don't care shit about my country anymore a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:58 PM
1

I explained why female friends are often not as appealing. They require more from the guy or rather are not that interesting for them, because genders prefer different things. It is not that women are hated by not being chosen as friends, just as men are not necessarily hated for not being chosen for sex. I'm sure those guys still have some female friends anyway, they don't need any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:51 PM
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But a secular type group with the same sense of community would be great That is the problem of secularism... is destroys purpose and then complains when people have no purpose to congregate. Why the fuck should I go every week to a place if there is nothing in common with people there? Literally no reason, and for minor reasons you just have online forums. Secularism basically is the guy that loves to point the problem but never gives a true alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:48 PM
6

I don't think most churches are like that, and most churches don't have many younger people. Even fewer now that population is going down drastically.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:46 PM
1

Casual sex is not prohibited, but it is discouraged. Worst thing that can happen is that you are expelled, even among the Amish, but in most cases you are required to marry or legitimate the relationship somehow. If the church is liberal, no one cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:45 PM
8

I'm sure atheist lonely losers are even creepier.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:43 PM
1

I think it has more to do with priorities. Women also complain about men not wanting commitment and relationships, even when most men are open to that. If genders are 50/50 then there must be enough men for women and enough women for men. Something here is not working.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:40 PM
1

Women are minions of capitalism and the richest men. Why are you surprised? Almost every "requirement" to get women requires you to pay taxes and contribute to a society that hates you anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:24 PM
1

I’m not seeing a way men contribute as much or more than women Infrastructure? Technology? Electricity? Not saying women don't contribute to that, they do, but clearly men contribute way more to some specific very imortant areas. Women contribute more to more social things such as caring for the sick and family, which is also very important. You can also say women contribute to everything because they birth those men, but you can go further and say men contribute their seed first.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:22 PM
1

Yes, but a few women can fuck many men, too. That is why women shame whores and porn and seamaxxing. It takes value from their own cartel.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:18 PM
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I don't think women should be criticizing men for not being in relationships when they themselves have never had to put in any effort to get one. It's sort of like a rich kid who's born into a wealthy family making fun of the poor kid. Women have always been very classist, hypergamous and superficial. Their love is very conditional. That is why women love to pretend otherwise, with emotional bullshit and fake empathy. Don't hear what they say, see what they do. If someone needs to constantly pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:13 PM
1

They kinda already do that by shaming men for having sexual interests... wow the horror, men like sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:07 PM
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You are not the clever one here while the scientists are stupid. You would be surprised how stupid some "clever" people can be, because they lack the subtext and social context. No wonder why IQ is only weakly related to income.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 01:57 PM
1

Women are as superficial as men. At least men are honest about it and they have wider tastes. Most women don't need a man over 6 foot to protect them, that is an arbitrary number in an arbitrary measurement system, with a nice round number. Yet most women want a man that tall, and less than 20% of men are that tall or taller. So sorry but not sorry for women used as fleshlights by those men. They basically made their own hell... but make no mistakes, the hell is worse for most men, but men don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 01:47 PM
1

Sadly, sometimes the romantic interest come in the context of a honest friendship. After that point, it is safe to assume the friendship is over, and that is OK... it is no one's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 01:44 PM
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Right. Because it has nothing to do with men seeing their own sexual gratification as priority when relating to women. Romantic and sexual relationships are indeed considered more satisfying and important than friendship by most people, men and women. What is wrong with having such priorities?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 01:42 PM
1

But if you're ONLY hanging around to try and get sex, or make a platonic relationship into something physical, that's a very bad strategy - especially if she's truly being blindsided by this. Sometimes the romantic interests raise naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 01:38 PM
1

It is said that men build a house but women build a home. I think men are more open to believe women are necessary than women to believe men are necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 01:22 PM
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It is not the gender itself, but the different expectations of each gender. It is nothing personal against womanhood or femineity itself. In any case I don't get why women complain about it, if they already have social life for just existing. They can be narcissistic, evil, stupid... they will always have family and men for them, which cannot be said about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 12:51 PM
1

Technically pussy is as abundant as dick, but it gets bad quicker.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 12:47 PM
1

You can help accelerate it ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 12:45 PM
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They literally have no other talent, all they have is by pure luck and in many cases women subsidize their lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 12:45 PM
1

I'm a special case.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 12:44 PM
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Yes, it is all up to women not having perspective on what value they provide or not to friendship. Men do have to be aware of that because society is not very kind to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:40 PM
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Yeah, it is the same as women who are in their mid 30s, childless, and want to get a man and have babies. Desperation is terrible, from any angle and at best you get a relationship that will probably fail anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:25 PM
1

The most terrible friendship is probably a male and female introvert who both have deliberately and willfully failed to develop a full social circle and where the male fancies her. That is an interesting observation. As always, shy people and introverts are fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:21 PM
1

Is it a group of friends? Usually mix-gendered groups of friends are more forgiving to these dynamics, while one to one friendships have more asterisks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:20 PM
1

Just as women don't generally trust men for many things, men also have their own views on women, not as women being bad, but as some stuff that it is better to not tell them or admit. Don't worry, it is nothing too bad for women, women still win in these interactions. I do think men can interact and talk to women with no issue in friend groups, but the dynamic I talk about is personal male-female friends. I guess the dynamics in groups in more forgiving and loose.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:17 PM
1

Isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:15 PM
1

In any case, there is no short of men wanting to befriend women for real. I don't get why it is such a big deal for women when some men don't want that for themselves, if they already have plenty of male and female friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:15 PM
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Whore shaming, porn shaming, etc. is part of a collective effort to not remove sexual power women have on men. Not a conspiracy or anything, it is unconscious collective like the idea of patriarchy, but by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:13 PM
0

Men are romantic to women they find worth it. If they marry a single mom, for example, they are not very romantic because what is the point? They are dating women at discount.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:19 PM
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If my criticism and observation can help other men to fight the pussy cartel, why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:17 PM
3

reward LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:16 PM
1

This is by design. Women, being naturally weaker, want the power to be able to shame you and put you in problems with the minor inconvenience. Sure, most women are not that nasty, but they want to at least be able to be nasty to those men. Sadly, this view of women as royalty will probably never go away. I just suggest you to ignore women except if you are very interested in them. Don't entertain women, don't help them, don't buy them drinks unless there is possibility of some kind of relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:14 PM
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Quality men tend to not hang out with dudes who don't have their shit together because they aren't given to that sort of social harmonizing. True, but you say it as if women often give charity to lesser men... that also is not the case. Women are very superficial and classist with the friends they make, male or female. Women only give chance to men they see are not that much behind, men who would do nice with male friends, if they were not so insecure. I would say the possibilities are higher fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:08 PM
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Glad it works for you, but honestly I don't think most guys can. Women don't owe men sex, but those men don't owe them friendship either.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:04 PM
3

It's a reasonable approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:03 PM
4

Sadly, it is not safe to be flirty in many environments and you cannot expect all women to welcome it as first interaction without some nice interaction first. But yes, ideally it should start flirting. Sadly that is only restricted to clubs now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:49 PM
2

Most of those guys would probably benefit more by making friends with other quality men more than with women. They get the same benefits, being invited to stuff and doing new things and meeting women, but without the expectations of female friends, that can be too high. Also you are right, women can help men get more social, but I would not say most women are like that. In fact many women need to be guided to social gatherings and expect the male friends to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:45 PM
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True too, but I don't think men insist on being friends with the opposite gender as much as women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:42 PM
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Most men that make it work to be true friends with women are gay men. They don't let women tell them bullshit, and they rarely can be manipulated by them to do or extra pay stuff. Maybe heterosexual men can learn from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:40 PM
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Some men can indeed meet other women through female friends, but if you are socially adjusted just having male friends can be enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:36 PM
1

Agreed, it is a no brained. I mean, mixed gender relationship probably have their upside, but they also have many downsides.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:36 PM
1

I think gay male friends do this with their female friends. They know how to make it fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:34 PM
1

Don't worry, I'm sure most men are shill and reasonable on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:17 PM
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It also may have to do with the culture. I live in a latino area.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:09 PM
1

So... Men are incapable of processing rejection and moving on from a crush while staying friends? Is that what you think? Rejections are very hurtful, so it is natural to expect friendship to die after that process. It is not his or her fault, I see it unfortunate, like losing an eye.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:04 PM
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Yes, I call it emotional exploitation of male friends. Not exploitation if is reciprocated, but women rarely reciprocate to male friends, or they don't do it at a fair proportion... not talking sexual, but even normal things like caring for your pet or giving you a lift.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 04:01 PM
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Yeah, basically more effort by men, to get less attention and less empathy than their own female friends who get it for just existing. It seems friendship between genders and in this dynamic of dating the issue adds itself a lot of complexity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:57 PM
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the issue is how women are obsessed with having male friends My theory is that some women are obsessed with male friends in the same rate that some men are obsessed with dating and relationship with women. IDK why this happens, but I think women really see more the benefits of relationships (ideally without a relationship) while men value more the relationships themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:56 PM
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Yes, and I get it is nature, but it is very selfish and unfair for women to expect men to change their own nature, but not change or at least recognize their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:54 PM
2

When you are older, you interest just single mothers or divorced. They are only interested on what you can provide them. They truly believe they are giving you a favor. So after years alone, you just go with your life. And because you are a man, nobody care about your suffering. Totally. Then they complain when men don't care shit about society or people around... I mean, why would they treat good or do anything for people who treated them as trash?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:52 PM
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Once again: If you are interested in her say up front. We are assuming the interest raises immediately. It may start as a honest friendship and then evolve into romantic interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:52 PM
4

The advantage is that if she has a female friend, the guy is unlikely to be jealous of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:51 PM
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female friends quickly forget you when they find a boyfriend Yes, it is a thankless job.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:46 PM
3

Follow this thread for context. My post is way more general than this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:45 PM
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Good point, I was not very clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 02:34 PM
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I think I did not clearly express myself, English is not my native language. Precisely being friend zoned is what means to not express your own romantic feeling or stay as "friend" after they are not reciprocated. Walking away if she has no interest is wise. But if there is a relationship, a real relationship, friendship is still part of the package.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 02:31 PM
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Why do you assume that someone not wanting a friendship with the opposite side means that that person doesn't already have friends of the opposite sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 02:28 PM
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The better thing would be to not pretend. "Hey, I want to fuck or marry you" would be kind of disturbing introduction, unless it is online. In any case, if you want a relationship, then friendship is part of the package, so I don't see that as deceiving.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 02:22 PM
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Most guys that are not looking for female friendship but sex or dating already have their share of female friends, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 02:20 PM
1

But what is the alternative? They explicitly tell you they want to have sex? I don't see how romantic or sexual interaction can start in real life without some kind of nice and friendly conversations. Finding another person does not have their interests aligned with yours is part of the dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 02:19 PM
0

It is true some men don't value female friendship, just as some women don't value male friendship... but they may still value romantic relationships with the opposite gender. I still don't get what is wrong with that. Most men and women prefer friends of their own gender anyway. I agree that a man that stops in mid conversation after that is probably an asshole or not very aware, though. But friendship is also not a right, just as your romantic interest isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 02:17 PM
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Because a lot of men will be attracted to most women, ergo is essentially saying "I can't be friends with a woman" with extra steps. [..] but men who can't be friends with a woman without eventually becoming attracted to them need to get their head sorted a bit. Some men have high libido, it is not their fault. It feels like victim blaming here. A romantic relationship is also not parasitic, it is supposed to be mutual, so they are not expecting more from women here. They are also not expecting …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 02:14 PM
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When guys ask for favors they usually give you some credit, so they feel obligated to help you back if you also need help. It is a very fair system. Women actually feel they are giving YOU a favor by just being there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 02:12 PM
0

Good point. Feminist arguments can be quite useful against women trying to get free stuff from men without them giving something equivalent back.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 02:10 PM
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You weren’t their friend you were just trying to get in their pants. Would it be better to keep pretending it is not the case? I mean, you have to be friendly anyway to meet women for relationships. You are comparing it to getting women or gifts, but that comparison would only apply if the guy did not stop pretending.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 02:09 PM
0

Women live in tutorial mode and they can just call a lover from 10 years ago and get money or help. Men can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 02:07 PM
1

At least you are coping in the best way you can. Sadly not everyone has the money and resources and time to cope that way. But I agree they can do their best... even if it sucks they are limited forever for stuff they cannot even control.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 02:06 PM
1

It depends on whose' last option you are. If you are the last option of a desperate fat now-infertile single mom with little kids, it is indeed better to die alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 02:04 PM
2

I probably use that energy to make some millions and create some generational wealth for my brother's children. They are the closest to me genetically, and it is better than having zero motivation in life. It sucks it is not my own children, but what can I do? be born again?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 02:03 PM
1

"Life is not that serious... look how privileged I was hehe" This kid of showing off is too tiring.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 02:01 PM
3

If you had no relationships in your 20s, even shortlived, it is likely your 30s will be uphill.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 02:01 PM
3

How will I afford suit by myself, who can I rely on to help me out after surgery or something? I think the same. I recently had a surgery and barely was able to find someone to pick me up. Imagine in 40 or 50 years when my closest family dies. What am I gonna do if I get a surgery? Will my pets starve? Will I have to spend all my money on nurses? I literally can’t even find a way to start the race. Same sis
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 01:59 PM
2

I would, but it is so expensive. I cannot believe I did not hoard BTC 15 years ago when I could.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 01:57 PM
1

Few people die at that age now, though. You can life like 3 decades more, even on a bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 01:56 PM
1

things might not be ideal, but you can still work with what you got. Agreed. But it sucks your options in life are limited so much even by variables you cannot control.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 01:55 PM
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Sometimes romantic feelings raise in a friendship (after which is is over, and it is no one's fault), or actually women confuse seduction and niceness with friendship. Friendship isn’t about sex. Agreed, so men who walk away after finding you are partnered are nothing anything wrong. Why do women get so mad at them, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 01:53 PM
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You forget this: Putting effort can actually hurt your possibilities, as it may look you desperate. So why make things even worse by trying more? Plenty of these men already had period of hard trying. It does not work. You can pretend we can give up and don't think shit about dating, but it is not possible. Everything in society is around couples and families. If you want even the possibility to have it, you will feel like shit anyway, and that feeling is valid. Women often also shame men that c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 01:46 PM
0

Saying porn causes mental issues is also pseudoscience, but you say it because it is convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 01:34 PM
1

Going to other countries to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 08:44 PM
1

Yeah, it makes sense. It is not just a partner, but the doors a partner opens to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 06:27 PM
2

Some do, but some of them still have some family such as siblings and don't want to make them suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 06:01 PM
1

That is the least the government uses taxes for. But I don't care about others being homeless either, I care about myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 06:00 PM
0

Technological progress is not necessarily aligned with social progress, though. For example, South Korea and Japan don't have gay marriage, while Latin America do and yet they are significantly poorer. Social progress can also cause literal fall of civilizations, being URSS the most recent example. My problem with progressives is that they label any change, even if detrimental, as "progress" to sell it as the new thing, even if it is injecting sex hormones to toddles and saying that is acceptabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 05:54 PM
1

I do work to save the most crypto and money for myself, and for fear of being homelessness, but it is purely selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 05:38 PM
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Yeah, also after 5th dick their capacity to create loving bonds is broken forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 05:34 PM
3

Yeah, I used to laugh at feminists saying that we would ban birth control, but I suspect that will be used as a desperate method by the state to force birth rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 05:33 PM
2

Women often need a socker paying for their lifestyle, though. There are thirsty men but I don't think that is profitable after certain age.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 05:30 PM
4

Yeah, acceptance is important, and to be fair it comforts me the fact that I don't have to "give back" anything to society or people around, and deep inside I hope it all breaks down and rot.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 05:29 PM
1

I get it. Have you considered seamaxxing?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 05:26 PM
3

Same, literally no reason to pay taxes or care about this rotten society... but I still have the motivation of not being homeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 04:05 PM
1

May I ask why they find you repulsive? Is it that you are fat, deformed, or a minority race in another majority race country? Autism?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 04:02 PM
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Genders are 50/50, though. For every single men there will be a woman that will have to share a guy or have only shorter relationships as the guy changes partners. I don't think anyone wins in this dating market, except maybe top men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 03:56 PM
1

Yeah, that is a good point. I think these transitional periods are good for a few people but they suck for most.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 03:55 PM
1

Same, but not because they avoid me, I'm just plain boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 03:54 PM
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I would say a lot of roles are cultural, but naturally genders will raise because hormonal and physical differences. Even in progressive societies, for example, women are assumed to need help because they can get pregnant. That is also a gender judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 03:13 PM
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So far it seems that the solution is to have groups of friends and such, but often single people also have problems with that. Maybe that is why they never met someone, as they did not have a group of friends to interact with people that may date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 03:12 PM
3

You are right, group trips are good.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 03:10 PM
7

I'll probably do the same. I guess at that time it will be legal, common, safe and quick.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:53 PM
2

Very nice it works for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:52 PM
3

That is good that you are so fortunate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:49 PM
3

Even if you got a partner at some point, it is a possibility anyway, and we shall have it in mind too. People die, people leave, couples break up, etc. For people who never had partners, like me, it gets even worse because we are starting from a point of disadvantage... sometimes decades behind, and we are on risk of being manipulated or used for money or sex, so the risk get riskier and the possibility of going alone for decades ahead becomes a very real and depressing possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:39 PM
1

Yeah, it makes sense. It is also a catch-22, because often we marry or date people who are independent and not living with parents, yet it makes sense for those people to live with parents as they have no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:34 PM
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I think friendless men or even men with “friends” sometimes project their experiences onto people Actually, I think men with friends are in the best position, although they are a minority. Women with "friends" are often just trying to cause envy to each other, such as better husband, plastic surgery, clothes, etc. I guess that is just a tradeoff. To be fair, maybe having fake friends is not that bad either. At least you can pretend to have some and don't look like a lonely loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:32 PM
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I don't have any friends, no, but even people with friends claim those already have families or moved, so they cannot just say 'Hey, lets go to Europe' and enjoy travelling with them. It is not very realistic. Your friends will always put their own family first, which is fair, but sucks if you are on your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:23 PM
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wut
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:07 PM
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You are probably right that most normal men will eventually get a woman, but it is not necessarily a woman that is in love with you and you will probably be a last option.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:05 PM
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Understood. Thank you for sharing your experience and I truly hope you can at least get your issues in control and live a better life.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:04 PM
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I often read they "will change him" or "he changed" or "he is getting better", shit like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:03 PM
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That did not answer the question. Respectable and attractive men have plenty of options for relationships, probably more than women have options for men... what do you add to such wonderful man except drama?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:02 PM
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So, basically a man that does not need or rely on you in any way? Just open an app and find a guy to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 01:35 PM
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Women claim they do emotional labor, but it is actually men doing all emotional labor for their shitty personality and mental issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 01:32 PM
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Sure, you may get a woman that is too old to have my own children, but what is the point? I want to have a family, not date a woman and raise another man's kids, so I don't want to be a second or last option. I would rather not date ever. Women seeing average men as last option or insurance is very dehumanizing. I really hope technology fills the sexual gap somehow and makes those men get pleasure without relying on those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 01:28 PM
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I guess it is their lack of awareness. They are like children.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 01:26 PM
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As a woman you have the advantage you don't have to put much effort on dating if you fix your anxiety issues, and fixing them will actually help you meet similar people and increase your life quality even if you never date. Have you considered medication? Believe me, it is way better to rely on drugs than live a life of fear and despair.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 01:25 PM
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I observed that the most society strives to gender neutrality, the most society fetishes gender differences, such as hypermasculine and hyperfeminine celebrities. This is kind of a cognitive dissonance, and I don't think it is good long run. We are trying to overcome human nature of gender, and one side of us rather turns even more animalistic about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 01:21 PM
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I would rather put my energy towards how I can live the best life with what we have now. Agreed, that is the best take. It is interesting to ruminate about the past and the future, but that should be our focus.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 01:15 PM
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I'm sure those women don't date those criminal men because they are cruel. They are just insecure and feel attracted to their masculinity. Of course, that does not free them from their own responsibility and it sucks that society has to take care of their children or rescue them when those men turn against her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 01:11 PM
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Maybe that is a tradeoff. Maybe that is the price of freedom and allowances in other aspects.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 01:10 PM
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the planet of all women would probably deal with constant invasion of men Lesbian couples and communities always breed some women that fill the role of men, sometimes to the point they look almost like men in voice and face and even sometimes on violence and male preferences. IDK why this happens, but I guess it is how fundamental gender is in our species.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 08:49 PM
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Probably, but I think that 50/50 attempt is flawed. At the end women often end up doing more house labor anyway, and men have to work longer hours anyway and expected to earn more. Numbers and percentages lose their meaning when you include endless subjective categories into which gender roles sneak into again. But yes, I observed men are now judged more by looks and women judged more by how much they work outside house, for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 08:47 PM
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I disagree because what is attractive to men is different from what is attractive to women. It is like comparing apples and oranges. Check the videos of men and women rating each other. You find that how men rate women in their own gender is totally different from how men rate them. I would say that women are more attractive on terms of physical beauty, and usually less good looking women are in a huge disadvantage, but when it is beyond attractiveness on physical looks men usually have an edge.…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 08:14 PM
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I get your point, but we see the future and the past on terms of what we already know. Who knows... maybe being a housewife made sense for women in those times and days and was seen in the same way we see being a professional. Women that were experts in textiles, for example, were often very respected. Maybe what men used to do in those times was not very attractive to most women after all, until life became better and jobs became decoupled from physical work. Subjectively speaking, their subjec…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:54 PM
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Thank you for sharing your perspective. Of course it is hard to know about how the other side experience it, so these conversations are important.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:11 PM
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Well, they have that power only because women give it to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:39 PM
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It’s just funny tho how some average/below average woman don’t want their looksmatch but will demand above average men to date them. Then they wonder why they are used as fleshlights LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:38 PM
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Why do women think they are treated poorly? It seems to me that society always gives women greater periods of grace and sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:32 PM
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Technically it is not men enslaving themselves, it is hormones, and not their fault. Same as women having baby fever or for being moms, although I would argue men's desire for sex is even stronger. But yes, men should have some respect for themselves and some self-control. Still, men having self control will not change anything. You just need one or two horny men to break any cartel men may have.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:16 PM
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Sex strike does not even works for women as groups, even less will it work for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:10 PM
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This. This is also why women are used as fleshlights by some men... the desirable men are a minority, so those men can literally treat those women as sex objects with no consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:09 PM
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The game is rigged and you can't do much about it. VR Porn
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:07 PM
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Yes, but if you consider even what you have now as shit, then what is the ideal reality you have? Are you sure that image is not delusional?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:04 PM
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I think the Stockholm syndrome exist for that. Humans are very adaptable; they even adapt to oppressors. Who knows what kind of oppressions we are adapted to today but we are not even aware of.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:03 PM
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If it makes you feel better, it is likely you would have no point of comparison in the past to know how good or bad you had it. A lot of traditional feminists, for example, expected huge cities of women and female communities to be a thing today. Clearly what they expected of a better world for women did not come to pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:01 PM
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It seems to be just a counter-movement, which naturally raises with all social changes. But don't worry, they are mostly harmless.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:57 PM
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Well, if the sandwiches we have to compare against are imaginary, maybe that comparison is not properly calibrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:56 PM
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The women who complain about western society being unfair have no real perspective on how bad it could be. Yes, and men complain too. I guess the West is not perfect, but people don't realize how much worse it could be. They go to vacations to other rich countries, not to the other 80% fucked up part of the world, and when they go there they don't leave tourist areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:55 PM
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Yes, but precisely why women are sexually privileged is what makes them target of victims, just as people with money are targets of attacks. Clearly men desire women way more than women desire men sexually, so women indeed have huge sexual power.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:30 PM
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Yeah, I think we live in transitional times. I guess we will be entering in a kind of Medieval time, not in the sense of going back in tech or things getting worse, but progress will probably go way slower for a few centuries in the future, and society will use that to stabilize itself. So it will probably be a good thing long run, even at the cost of sudden and exponential changes. The 'noble' houses are probably being made today, probably celebrities such as Elon Musk will have old houses deep…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:29 PM
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And those men are the ones who are hostile Is that a bad thing? I mean, women don't need them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:24 PM
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I mean, it is beneficial for women too to consider divorce as a possibility, not only men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:43 PM
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Sexually frustrated men are the least likely to care about women's safety and comfort and the most likely to offend. So you do admit that sexuality matters for those men and the safety of society for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:25 PM
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The least sexuality you provide men, the least they care about keeping your delusional bubble intact. That is the social contract. Women give sex and men give literally everything else. That is why society is decaying, even when productivity and tech increases, and that is why women complain more and more they are on their own and men don't help or don't provide or don't stick, etc. (even when that is what they pushed for in their retardation).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:21 PM
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These collective things never work because game theory. They do not work for women either... think how many times women tried to hold sex as a protest to make men do something or stop doing something, and yet those protests always fail or work only for a very limited amount of time. Men cannot really have many standards because they are competing with better men with no standards at all. Women don't recognize the difference between sex and love... women marry in their mind with men they fuck, ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:20 PM
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Women rights don't exist. They are all enforced by men, they are delusions, just as women's productivity. All women jobs are facades of real work men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:15 PM
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Most people are naturally prudent and conservative. It is logical to protect yourself from risk and vulnerability People are more risk averse, but I disagree it as conservative. More conservative people have more stereotypical yet realistic views of dating which help them. As values shift, people get confused on what is right to do. Remember genders are 50/50. For every lonely man, there is a lonely woman or a woman that has to share a guy, so I don't think long run women win here, but short ter…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:12 PM
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Where did men even get the idea that their sexuality is anyone else's problem or concern? When did women the idea that they are entitled to safety, comfort or everything else than men provide?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:09 PM
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Yes, all the claims about male privilege are indeed projection of their own privilege. It is very fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:07 PM
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Unless lesbians are another species, I think it is safe to assume that if their relationships are worse than male homosexual and heterosexual relationships, then men being the worst variable is probably not based on reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 02:47 PM
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I would not say she is an asshole, but certainly she is unconscious at best and irresponsible at worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 02:05 PM
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In reality, criminal men attract criminal women who value their criminal behavior. I have not observed that. Actually criminals often have very good and innocent women, they just want the masculinity they associate with dangerous men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 02:05 PM
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They are stupid because they can just get a criminal as fuckbody and reap all the benefits with minimal risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 02:04 PM
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I'm sure plenty of men would rather be childfree in those cases of fertility issues or genetic illness. That is not a license to play the game of considering a kid that is not yours as yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 01:43 PM
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The kid will have half her DNA anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 01:42 PM
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I think widows have the same issues, but since the biological father is not around, the man's chances are more positive. Widows also often have kids that are already old enough to live on their own, or at least kids that don't need constant attention as little kids, so they are often out of the picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 01:41 PM
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Enraging
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 01:39 PM
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You can enjoy relationships and marriage but still not expect it to last long term. In a sense this is how people who don't marry but live together live. It is not depressing if you see divorce and separation as part of life, as your partner dying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 01:28 PM
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I don't think men have huge high standards, they are not the ones leaving their wives either, and lesbian couples do way worse... which suggests that it is not men as a variable causing this decay in marriage as much as women claim. But lets focus on your other argument. We have to accept we live in a post-relationship society. Divorce is not only normal, it is basically expected down the line. But don't let that stop you from enjoying life and marrying. Just don't be dumb about it. Keep assets …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 01:27 PM
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So hormones causing issues in women is acceptable but not in men having insatiable desire? You are not very empathic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 01:17 PM
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...biologically much bigger and stronger than me. Does not this biological fact make men even less to blame for their nature? You cannot use the biology argument for race, though.... all things equal but race, there are discrepancies. I think that the very thing that makes men violent is what also makes them great. I doubt most women would date a disabled man just because he is unable to hurt them, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 09:29 PM
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This is why a good chunk of feminists are all self identified witches, satanists, luciferians , occultists etc.. Yeah, the cringest of cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 08:13 PM
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You ever seen a group of 40-50 year old men trying to look like they are fitting in at the club? It’s cringe as fuck. So the wall does not exist but also men suffer it? I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 06:13 PM
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The wall exists but it is not like a static solid point. It is more like going up on a slope. At some point fertility is lost, energy is down, sexual interest is decreased, etc. The irony? Women invented the term to manipulate men into having kids with them earlier. They just get mad when men use that term.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 06:11 PM
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Women treat as trash working men that even dare to talk to them. Women are very classist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 04:11 PM
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I think a lot of these issues are not caused by women, but although women have some fault, these issues are often projected on women: Male loneliness is mostly caused by male-only spaces being demonized by authorities and feminists. Problems with hypergamy in women are caused by changes in technology. It is easier than ever to cheat... just get a phone and an app. This period is new. Boys falling behind at school is relatively new and based on a very unconscious education system. School reward s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 04:09 PM
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My theory is that, behind all the moral bullshit we make, women just see men capable of hurting other men and they find value in that. It sucks, and it is terrible and morally abhorrent, but it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 04:03 PM
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Sure, but if you can do those generalizations on gender, you can also do it on other categories.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 04:01 PM
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More older women use them because of hormones. Men are suffering in the dating game because hormones too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 03:58 PM
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I'm using emotional rhetoric here. Whatever it is a baby or not is another debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 03:57 PM
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This forum is so cucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 03:56 PM
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Genetic compatibility is often required for donation of some tissues and organs. Paternity tests may rather be genetic tests that help deal with those conditions in the future too. In any case, as I said, even if the hospital bills that to the father, I think many fathers may pay it with no problem. The problem is the legal window that is very limited for the rights of the fathers (biological or putative). Normal people may require tests if they find their partner has been cheating, and that is …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:55 PM
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I don't think much has to change for paternity tests, given that almost every baby being born already gets many tests such as thyroid test and probably performs paternity tests already in other contexts. The problem is that if men find they are not the father, but they signed paternity, they often cannot rollback it. We need a gray area, a legal window, when the father can confirm paternity and then proceed with fully accepting his responsibility, if confirmed. It is also the best interest for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:43 PM
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Paternity tests are cheaper by the day. Even if it was required to be paid, I'm sure most fathers would still pay for it before having to sign their paternity responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:33 PM
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I don't think men admitting their mental health problems will fix anything. No one cares, and actually it may scare people away.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:08 PM
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Personally I think the biggest motivator of men and women is family. Having kids is a great motivator to go to a mine and work to feed your kids, even if it costs your own life. But sexually, I would say men are way more motivated than women. Women may feel motivated to get a man that provides and so on, but I don't think that beat men's libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:07 PM
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True. I'm not denying women's contribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:59 PM
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To jail
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:53 PM
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Why do you assume it is OK to generalize by gender by not by race using FBI statistics? Make your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:52 PM
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Indeed, which is still way more useful jobs than those of women in the time. Today, jobs dominated by men are also more essential and important.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:52 PM
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Being able to go on dates with two different women in the course of a 30 day period. Tricky idea. I don't think any man can get new woman in that period that easily with not much time, but a man can get multiple women and rotate them by period. Is able to have sex with a particular woman within 7-21 days of meeting her. A particular woman may require you to be attractive, a ring, a dinner, etc. or all of that. It varies a lot but that depends on the particular woman more than the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:51 PM
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I would be less paranoic with 99% certainty than 0% certainty.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:48 PM
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100% certain whether the child is theirs or not, they should just adopt, which will allow them to be 100% certain. I wouldn't raise a kid that does not have my DNA, sorry. I'm not an adoption agency and I wouldn't feel connected to a kid that is not mine. I also believe that adoption should be in the extended family instead, fully conscious, and not the "lets pretend I'm your actual father" game. Precisely that is why paternity tests are important. Men don't want to raise another man's bastard w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:47 PM
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A disgusting attack on her morals. All this whilst she has gone though the pain of pregnancy, labour and birth and postpartum recovery of your child. That is why it should be a standard test as the many tests done on babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:42 PM
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they wouldn't go rambo on the population at large Actually, it is the other way around. Many school shooters were on antidepressants. Probably depression is what would have stopped them if pills did not stop depression. Women don't deal with life. They get everything easier and they are accepted and loved by default. What is surprising is how miserable they still end up even with all that privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:40 PM
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Weird how much women defend criminals, though. Not surprised criminals also get plenty of sex. Women reward this behaviour, similar to racism motivating crime in minority communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:38 PM
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By Race?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:37 PM
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Race?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:36 PM
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“Lower levels of formal labor market participation "Men killing themselves or being killed by war" "Women most affected by men dying, and not slaving themselves for them" Women always screwing up. Recognizing their mental health issues Depressed for living in tutorial mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:32 PM
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Women have it in easy mode and still complain and find a way to do worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:31 PM
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In 2014, a total of 752 assisted suicides were performed (330 men, 422 women), Euthanasia in Switzerland - Wikipedia
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:30 PM
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Taking credit for the achievements of a minority of men... It is not a minority of men build roads, houses, buildings, invent, invest, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:28 PM
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Almost all mating effort is on men, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:26 PM
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A few reasons: I hate to say it, but a lot of times single people don't want other single people, especially long-term singles, because it is implicit that no one wanted them. Maybe there is an overlap with autism, shyness, etc. and people who don't look for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:55 PM
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Women are more likely to use state assisted death and also use antidepressants the most, though. They also end up poorer anyway even having no kids, even with all the state assistance and corporative pondering to women and even men supposedly being less financially responsible. Imagine being a woman: living in tutorial mode and still finding a way to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:53 PM
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Agreed, sometimes the men used to get more attribution for ideas, but it is safe to say that men generally create and build more than women, while women do other things as important, such as birthing those men or raising or caring for the sick. No work is less important.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:44 PM
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No, but they are rare. Just as women are not motivated by libido, so women achieve way less.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:43 PM
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Last time I crunched the numbers, ~40% of greatest male innovators, philosophers, masters of theory and insight in the world's history died single, never married, and childless. Yes, but the motivation to stop being autistic and marry was still there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:42 PM
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Yes, but for the birds the attraction is purely genetic as the male will probably not stick around. On humans other variables are considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:41 PM
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Sounds like You are worried about your supply of women drying up now, It is a reasonable concern. Women become unattractive, fat and old quicker than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:58 PM
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Choose an average or unattractive guy who will stay loyal to you only because he knows he wont have many options and not because he actually wants to stay loyal to you out of love and respect. Choose a guy who is actually attractive but will cheat on you troughout the relationship. That dating market dynamic also applies to women attraction on men, even probably more so given that women are more likely to ask for divorce. If you are not comfortable with such dynamic, don't date.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:29 PM
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Women almost always earn less than men, even having all social and government support. Does that mean women are lazy or stupid? In any case, comparing income to physical attractiveness is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:26 PM
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I would say yes, even men who like chubby women, they don't like obese women. Same applies to men. Women don't like fat men either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:24 PM
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So it is difficult for autistic men to get a partner, and yet they are shamed online and hated for just not having a partner or complaining about not being loved.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:12 PM
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I do think having family has a value, though. But it is not for everyone. For example, I have been denied a family for just being shy or not attractive enough, so I have to get value from elsewhere. Then I get money or assets to cope, and women start to ask why I am not committed LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:10 PM
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men who have figured women out feel pitty and sorrow for the mess they have weaved over the last 30-40 years. Very true
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:03 PM
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True. Any disagreement is interpreted as wanting to enslave women or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:01 PM
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True, but to be fair women don't know what they are doing. Women today are like children that were abandoned on their own to dynamics they never have had to deal with as a gender or individuals. At the end, women kind of want men to have power back but they don't want to admit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:00 PM
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This society is the result of Netflix series and Progressive "values" trying to rewrite human nature and desires to be more inclusive. I'm not talking about LGBT stuff, but rather trying to normalize cheating, poly stuff and degeneracy while also keeping the facade of love and family. The irony? Now we become more exclusive because how different and confusing ideas of sex and dating are. Call me paranoid, but given the demographic collapse of this decade, this seems by design.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 09:21 PM
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Yes, and I think it is the best for women men don't express it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 09:15 PM
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However, this isn’t the case, and women are by far more likely to have their own place and invest in their homes. Which makes men look like incompetent Momma’s boys by comparison. Women are terrible with money, though. They expect men to take care of them as they get old and decrepit. A house is not necessarily a wise investment either, especially with these rates. Women also contribute to climate change by motivating men to get their own house and car, instead being attracted to them even if th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 08:55 PM
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I would say that dislike is always there but online it is expressed passionally for venting. Women can vent in real life easier with almost no repercussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 08:48 PM
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I heard a few women online talking about how they envy friends for having princess treatment and they not getting any. Some of them "fixed" it by playing more female roles... it is that easy for women to be treated as queens.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 08:13 PM
1

Well, women do respond very well to testosterone. Transmen, except for height, look very masculine... way more than transwomen look feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 08:04 PM
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Kope all you want, but the fact is that the already irreconcilable animosity between the sexes is growing. I agree with that, but also I observe sometimes people exaggerate their animosity online to get likes/dislikes or reactions. It is like screaming lauder.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 08:03 PM
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I would say men are rather shamed for not having sexual partners, not as much for not having a partner. A man that does not commit and does not care about love, but has plenty of sex, is often not seen as a loser, but as a player that plays "smart" by not committing, and even women have some kind of implicit respect and attraction for them, the "bad boy" or "fuck boy" . Now, of course if you are not attractive no one will assume you are a fuck boy, but again, it is about sexuality. However, it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:59 PM
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They would sell their mothers into slavery just to bang a Stacy once. Who wouldn't? But Stacy is not average. Average woman is fat and neurotic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:56 PM
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Well, women also do stuff online that they don't do in real life, like selling nudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:55 PM
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I know my doctor does it. Old women love him for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:53 PM
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I mean, not literally ignore in the sense you don't speak to them at all, but rather ignore for other stuff beyond work or casual conversations. Sometimes HR expects people to " be a family" or some shit, and that is not always good, especially between men and women at work, and especially if either already has a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:53 PM
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Women provide for themselves, and yet expect the guy to be richer anyway, in fact it seems they expect that more than ever. So yes, that makes women look way more shallow about men, not better. I find that it is most likely women who call dad or a boyfriend to repair stuff in their apartment, so I really doubt they really are that independent by living alone. Men are also criticized for living with parents even when that can help them save good money and later provide for more.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:51 PM
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I do observe that progressive women often criticize heterosexual white men the most, and yet almost all of them have white boyfriends. It is almost a parody at this point. AOC and Ilhan Omar. In any case, what women expect from men often require them to be capitalist and wealthy and competitive, while they superficially want them to accept socially progressive values.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:48 PM
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It is true, but a lot of stereotypically masculine traits, even positive traits such as looking more masculine and being stronger, are very limited if testosterone is limited. I mean, women also get hormones, for similar reasons, as they get old.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:23 PM
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It is almost impossible to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:21 PM
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It is a win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:19 PM
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Being a friend with woman is often a net loss. She expects from you way more than what the guy expect from her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:17 PM
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I found that there are two kind of people who flirt with no intention to escalate: Very attractive men, who often flirt with old women and aunties. This is more like a game. Women in bars just trying to prove girl friends they are attractive, or just to test the waters. If not ill intentional, some of it can be fun and inconsequential.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:16 PM
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Agreed, but still you don't need commitment for exclusivity, and some committed couples are open. But yes, maybe what you mention is the closest to commitment that men want. I would say women expect way more... such as providing and living together and stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:13 PM
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Men don't really care that much about commitment if they get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:00 PM
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First, men don't have the luxury if having many standards in the first place. They will not reject actual sex for just porn, sadly... I would LOVE if porn actually replaced women. Second, plenty of men are married and watch porn, I would say most of them do. They are doing fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:57 PM
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Well, I'm not assuming that about you specifically, but generally about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:49 PM
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Well, we respond to trauma in different ways. That is a reasonable way to respond to such trauma. But even if your decision is not based on trauma, truth is most men and women want a special one to grow up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:47 PM
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Exactly. Wanting to have a partner and family, and not getting them, can be sad for either gender. However, I do notice women pressure each other to make a family more than men do, so I guess it is worse for women? No idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:47 PM
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Who is that gets baby fever and concerns the most about her fertility? Who invented and used the term "wall" in this context the most? Women. Which gender is the least likely to admit they are single? Women. No, lady, the married man you fuck once a month does not mean you are not single. Which gender is more likely to want to escalate a relationship into marriage and puts commitment on a pedestal, even when it is basically a dead institution? Women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:46 PM
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Just as healthy as hating 90% of one side.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:43 PM
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Thanks to admitting how shallow women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:24 PM
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I don’t anyone in my friend group fucking felons. No, but it is kind of disturbing so many women end up in abusive relationships they RETURN to again and again, even having sexual power to get a many ANY time they want. It is like someone complaining that they hate McDonalds and yet they go to it every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:19 PM
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I agree we cannot choose a lot of our lifestyles, but still we have plenty of control on it... we have to explore how much control we do have. But again, that is my opinion. In any case, if you are a cat lady and you feel happy with that, what others say is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:05 PM
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I don't get what you are talking about. My point is that if you choose a lifestyle, such as a cat lady or whatever, it will feel better if you first at least tasted what it feels to have a partner. If it sucked, if men sucked, then at least you will not feel as bad about your life decision. Same with men that feel no woman likes them, and yet they did not even tried talking to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:04 PM
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Sure, but you are adding an unknown variable to your life. I would say 99% of people date precisely as a compensation for something in their own lives, and that is OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:03 PM
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it’s the reality for a lot of guys and you have to work very hard to change it It may not be worth the squeeze.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:36 PM
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No, it isn't. I don't care about finding female friends who expect you to do favors like boyfriend without giving you anything of value back, or superficial conversations... I want an equal partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:34 PM
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Exactly. You are basically losing time, self-steem and patience by trying if you got no chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:33 PM
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The problem is what is considered harassment. For instance, sometimes ignoring women can make you seem creepy and cost you a HR punishment. The real problem is we are trying to treat women like royalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:32 PM
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You can't even jump in a girl's DMs without risk of her screenshotting your interaction and publicly putting you on blast. You can claim it is forgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:30 PM
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On the flip side, if you ignore women at work you also are punished.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:29 PM
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You have to accept that marriage, trust, etc. is already dead in this post-religious Godless society. Better replace it with actual evidence, as we enter the scientific age.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:04 PM
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Most men get laid and a partner That is changing very quickly, especially for younger generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:58 PM
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Good point, maybe all love is conditional. I would say men love for women is less conditional than the "love" women feel for men, though. The "love" women feel is way more conditional on wealth, status and many other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:55 PM
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I guess they cannot accept that reality because that would be admitting they are as shallow and superficial about men as they claim men are about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:53 PM
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Interesting. Remembered for when women talk about men being shallow or some shit. Women deserve the quality of abusive men they get for filtering out good men for shallow reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:52 PM
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hahaha based. I love when just a simple noticing breaks down the narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:51 PM
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Dating apps are only like 20% women. Women usually use dating apps for a while, get a few fuckboys and then leave the apps. They return to the apps when the guys leave. Women use dating apps less precisely because they work so well for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:51 PM
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Good point. Women are basically cattle for dating apps and social media corporations.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:50 PM
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Well, women's requirement is even lower: just existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:49 PM
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That requirement assumes the guy is hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:48 PM
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Family Feminists, who always claim they don't fuck fascist or violent men, while clearly those men have no problem dating. Women here. They default to "you don't get sex because you have X bad attitude about women" while clearly in real life they don't have problem fucking literal felons. Women, that is OK if you admit that your attraction has nothing to do with how good or bad a guy is If I was a woman, I would say "I hope I find a man I find attractive that happens to be a good man, and I hope…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:45 PM
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If we were 100% happy on our own, why the fuck would we date? To add complexity to our perfect life? You do have a point, but in a sense it seems everyone wants to fill a void, and that is OK... not a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:43 PM
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You’re under the assumption that women even want to be around these guys. Well, that is the kind of men you are raising by lies. They find out that what you told them is a lie, so they will never trust you again. Women clearly want men that don't fall for their own delusions. Yes, women basically gaslight and lie to half the species about what they want, and expect it to go fine. So I have no sympathy for those women. Women have all sexual power and then complain when the guy THEY choose is not …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:36 PM
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So, what is the problem? More win for women. They don't have to do anything, just exist and have a hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:34 PM
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The thing is that the attraction in men can came later. Just because they befriended you does not mean they planned ahead to be attracted to you. Women should be grateful the friendship is over if the guy is attracted to them, not mad. The later reaction is way more common and it makes no sense. Sexual and loving desires are unconscious... it is not men's fault, neither is women's. The friendship died and that is OK. Just make other friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:34 PM
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I hate turning people down Well, that seems to be some insecurity you have to work on. If you think carefully, we turn down countless people as we pass the day, both men and women, for all kind of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:31 PM
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Say "no"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:30 PM
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Most women don’t want to be noticed They spend literal hundreds on their appearances and they end up broke. It is clear they do want to be noticed... just not by 99% of men. Again, royalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:30 PM
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So, why not they only relate to other women? Why so much complain?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:29 PM
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If it is unconditional then why do they leave when she gets fat or gets sick. Most divorces are initiated by women. Statistics on men leaving sick wives are often based on the fact men last way less than women, so numbers of men staying with sick wives are lower because most health conditions occur later in life, and men die earlier. Multiple articles already explained that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:26 PM
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Oh please. Older men who date younger women? It's extremely rare Agreed, it is rare, but it happens, and that is OK. Let people be happy. Same if you choose to be a cat lady or whatever. The lady cat thing will only affect you if you truly believe it has some truth. I propose you something: Just try dating, and if it does not work, see the best next options, which may be to be a cat lady. Then, you will have no reason to feel bad about your decision as you honestly tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:23 PM
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Ufff that is what many men would wish. They are treated even worse, as not existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:21 PM
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Why is the entire female population being blamed? I'm not blaming women, because technically being very selective is not wrong. The problem is that women deny this reality, gaslight even their own sons, and they lose literal decades breaking the code. Do you think those guys will ever trust women again? Do you think they will ever have stable and trustworthy relationship with women after finding all they told them are lies and feel-good delusions? No wonder why women end up with terrible men. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:19 PM
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I mean, I have to hate something. Otherwise I would hate myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:16 PM
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I'm so eager to be brainwashed by therapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:14 PM
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I get it, but why do you think feeling sexually attracted to women invalidate any of that in them? In any case, we already don't care shit about 99% of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:12 PM
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That is kinda what happens, though. How many people get beaten by the guys they fuck? Female intuition is shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:10 PM
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Agreed, which is why women should not be so mad when they find out that the guy is attracted to them. Observe that women rarely befriend men they feel sexually attracted to... they direct fuck them if they can, and seduce them meanwhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:10 PM
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I do believe personality also affects attraction. Proof of this is that autistic men can be very attractive, and yet like 90% of them never reproduce or get a partner. The problem is that women ignore the fact that this personality choice comes after more restrictive and harsh choice. If women discard automatically like 80% of men, then it makes sense for men to assume that personality is a tiny factor for attraction because it is conditional after being chosen. Maybe this is not women's fault, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:04 PM
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What does it mean to treat women as human beings? You can treat fellow humans horribly precisely because they are equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:02 PM
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But what it means to be treated as humans? People can treat humans horribly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:02 PM
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I've never seen a man approach a woman. I think women exaggerate how much attention they get. I remember the nasty look of some ladies when I amicably ask them to move out of the way. I guess that count as approaching for some of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:49 PM
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Modern women don't cook or clean either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:35 PM
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It is as selfish as women to expect men to give friendship for just existing. The irony of ironies is when women find out their male friend is in love or sexually attracted to them, and then they complain they revealed it. What did you expect him? To pretend as nothing happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:34 PM
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The thing is that women claim shit about personality that is not true. Personality only composes a tiny part of attraction. If women admit it, it hurts, but men save lots of time and resources not losing time with you, and you take no risks with resentful men. In this case, honestly is a win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:31 PM
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Ok, so be a cat lady! Why do you need to normalize it? Unless you care about other things and what to change it because you do, there is no need to change what other things about you if it truly makes you happy. It is the same for older men that date younger women. They date them and are successful and happy with them precisely because they don't care what you or me think. BTW, why do you need to prove you are happy on your own? Even people with families are not always happy, so it is not someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:26 PM
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