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"Improving sex ed" usually means expanding the course away from abstinence-only. There's a poor track record to people that the only way to be safe from pregnancy and STIs is abstinence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/21 07:42 PM
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It is, but not a good one. She's a popular critic of pseudo-medicine, especially as it relates to women's health. She is not a satire, but this statement is meant to be satirical. My guess is this is meant to be a parody of the anti-abortion argument that "women choose to get pregnant, and therefore must take responsibility." Presumably, by turning around the responsibility onto men, she will make anti-abortion men see that it is wrong to hold women responsible for the choices they make. It comp…
/r/MensRights28/08/19 08:29 PM
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You mocking me? Me mocking you? Me mocking the sub?
/r/MensRights13/04/19 12:27 AM
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I've been reading and participating in this sub for the past five years. Less so lately, but still. Why do you think that several posts came up here promoting the other developer? How did I mis-characterize the reaction?
/r/MensRights12/04/19 08:40 PM
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Just saw it. Good overall, just hyper-saturated with girl-power masturbation. It's not in the least bit subtle.
/r/MensRights10/03/19 03:43 AM
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lizzie the lezzy Her whole shtick is she's gay.
/r/MensRights24/01/19 06:49 AM
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I thought that was a smart move, actually. They wanted to make a scene and get kicked out, but he didn't give them that. Had he said no, he would have been accused of not caring about black people. By saying yes, which the girls did not expect, he undermined their victim narrative and showed that they didn't have anything interesting to say. The story became "Bernie graciously accommodates idiots" instead of "Bernie denies voice to disenfranchised".
/r/MensRights03/01/19 04:53 PM
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And this is precisely my problem with the term "toxic masculinity." I understand that most mean well when they use the term. They're not saying masculinity itself is bad (whether or not they believe that is a separate matter), but that there are certain aspects of masculinity that are damaging to men. Here's why I disagree. I don't doubt that there's some truth that idea, but it conveniently avoids acknowledging men's issues. Invoking 'toxic masculinity' to explain away men's issues is exactly l…
/r/MensRights29/06/18 09:39 PM
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Though it's encouraging to see peoples' minds change, I'm not sure if I can get on board with videos like this. Boiling down statistics to sound bites necessarily removes any context or nuance. That typically works only when your audience is inclined to believe you. The most obvious example I can find in this video is when the writer immediately follows debunking the wage gap with stating the workplace mortality gap. The latter is true for the same reasons as the wage gap --- if you average wage…
/r/MensRights08/05/18 02:31 PM
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However, today is international men's day. You'd have a point if he complained about the lack of awareness of men's issues on International Women's Day, but today is supposed to be about raising awareness of men's issues. The original post is just meant to sarcastically point out how little people care relative to other movements, not to hijack those movements.
/r/MensRights20/11/17 12:39 AM
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Yet another article lying about the content of Damore's memo...
/r/MensRights25/09/17 04:01 AM
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Gotcha. Yeah, it was a bit of a stretch.
/r/MensRights14/08/17 08:22 PM
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iirc, he mentioned castrated boys once, apparently in reference to the David Reimer case, to make the point that there is a component to gender identity that's not due to social conditioning. Is there a different part you're referring to?
/r/MensRights14/08/17 08:05 PM
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The irony is that some prominent voices claim the film is misogynistic.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 04:55 PM
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Is it even Poe's law? What about this video suggests it's a parody? What is it supposed to be parodying? It's obviously meant to be funny, but that alone doesn't make something a parody.
/r/MensRights10/03/17 12:13 AM
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To add --- Most of us have no objection to people who voluntarily want to have it done. We just object to it being forced on infants, who cannot consent, when the medical justifications for it are lacking. It violates the principle of "do no harm." Many of us also object to it being promoted and normalized, but the issue of bodily autonomy is more important.
/r/MensRights31/01/17 07:34 PM
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I'm sorry, I responded too quickly. Where I live indeed men can be "sexually assaulted" but not raped by women.
/r/MensRights20/12/16 02:48 AM
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According to dominant stereotypes, men can't be sexually assaulted by women. Also according to the law, where I live. Edit: I misread. Carry on.
/r/MensRights19/12/16 07:52 PM
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See this is what gets me.... your goal is to gain an insight into the MRM, so you go and spend a week investigating theredpill while ignoring the sub named "mensrights"? How about you write a piece on the women's rights movement, and do your research by hanging out in sugar baby forums?
/r/MensRights16/12/16 07:18 AM
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I've known "bros" and I've known programmers, with some overlap, but in 4 years of college and 4 years of grad school I've never met anyone who acted like this.
/r/MensRights02/12/16 02:28 AM
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Orcs did come from elves. Sauron transformed them.
/r/MensRights08/11/16 07:32 PM
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We've been having this discussion dozens of times since the kickstarter for the film was first announced, years ago. When Cassie began working on this film, 'the red pill' was still a common phrase used in MRM circles. It has since fallen out of favor, since it was co-opted by r/theredpill and PUAs, but the name stuck. I agree that it's unfortunate... it will likely drive attention back to the r/theredpill sub instead of here, but apparently she addresses the error and distinction in the film.
/r/MensRights04/11/16 07:01 PM
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Do you have a list of specific goals/issues to address?
/r/MensRights01/11/16 11:52 PM
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Thank you for this response; I learned quite a bit. A few comments though: . I'm pretty sure you actually intended to refer to HRT I was using "sex-reassignment" as a shorthand for the entire process, to whatever extent it's taken. That first sentence wasn't referring to children specifically. I understand that nobody would dare perform SRS on a growing child. My point is that, in patients who pass the psychological vetting which most doctors require before they'll consider prescribing HRT, this…
/r/MensRights24/09/16 01:31 PM
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They are much easier to do in adolescence, pretty much permanent and completely unnessecary. It's odd that you follow this up by a description of problems caused by misaligned teeth. Though I agree that it can definitely make a difference to start HRT before puberty, I don't agree that orthodontics is a fair comparison. Say you get braces in middle school. First and foremost, you can give informed consent to it at that age. That is, someone can explain what it will do exactly and how it will ben…
/r/MensRights23/09/16 04:27 PM
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Probably referring to the David Reimer case, though I don't remember offhand if he committed suicide.
/r/MensRights23/09/16 04:16 PM
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While I agree with your analysis, for the most part, I still have to grimace a little at the phrase "teach men not to rape" for two reasons. The first is that it's obviously directional. It is men who are the ignoramuses, unable to tell when a woman is able to consent. It is the men who inadvertently traumatize countless women and get away with it. And, of course, it's men who are responsible for determining a woman's state of mind before, during, and after the act. For cases where a woman canno…
/r/MensRights09/09/16 05:14 AM
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To be fair, opening with "force her to get an abortion" might have been what did it. Very few people actually think a man should be able to demand a woman have a medical procedure done. That's a gross violation of her autonomy, and likely to get a strong reaction. The second option you gave -- legal paternal surrender -- is what most of us agree should be in place, but that got masked by the first.
/r/MensRights30/08/16 10:39 PM
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Excellent research. There's also a vaccine against HPV that's much more effective and less damaging.
/r/MensRights29/08/16 01:19 AM
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For google, they use the word "code" rather loosely... This is more of an art project. Drawing little faces...
/r/MensRights19/07/16 05:10 AM
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Feynman* (Sorry)
/r/MensRights16/05/16 11:31 PM
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... why they were being treated the same as the dominant and more-problematic male groups. Please define "problematic" in a way that's more precise than, "you know... they're bad."
/r/MensRights13/05/16 11:57 PM
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I find it hard to imagine a war in the nuclear age that poses such a threat to the US that it would be necessary to start drafting to ensure sufficient numbers for the country's safety. The world is too interconnected and complicated for traditional warfare.
/r/MensRights23/04/16 03:15 AM
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Crying is fine. There's a difference between denying your emotions and controlling them. For instance... a close friend dies, it's healthy to feel bad about that and respond accordingly. It's healthy to seek support when needed. Of course, it's hard to make men feel like they should seek support when they're led to believe nobody cares about them...
/r/MensRights23/04/16 03:09 AM
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It's likely that an editor stuck the picture on it without reading the text.
/r/MensRights14/04/16 12:46 AM
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Out of curiosity, what is your field?
/r/MensRights10/04/16 11:26 PM
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I have
/r/MensRights18/03/16 10:09 PM
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I'm very sorry you feel this way, but please listen to me carefully -- you're describing symptoms of depression. I'm not a psychologist, so don't take this as a diagnosis, but I've gone through periods of mild to moderate depression and I've had friends who have been hospitalized with severe cases. We all made it through, except one friend who didn't reach out. The fact that you're sharing how you feel here is a good start. Talk to your wife about how you feel, and find a good psychologist. It m…
/r/MensRights18/03/16 04:09 AM
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I don't believe a majority taking the position that the MRM should actively support abortion rights for women even if it does not move us any closer to equality. It's rather like asking, "what's the MRM's stance on taxes?" Movements tend to form with a focus, and while we may be unified on issues relevant to that focus, we're going to disagree on other issues.
/r/MensRights16/03/16 11:23 PM
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Also, that thing happened on Father's day. Nobody knows about international men's day.
/r/MensRights08/03/16 09:08 PM
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Centuries of being treated as disposable somehow hasn't made men hate women.
/r/MensRights18/02/16 01:39 AM
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They kinda had a damn good reason to hate men... Oh?
/r/MensRights17/02/16 10:51 PM
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There's a simple reason you hear about the wage gap as evidence of societal discrimination, and that's because there's (allegedly) a class of people you can blame for it -- employers. You only hear about the wage gap because, in the common understanding of it, it's evidence of a direct discriminatory behavior. As we know, the evidence says otherwise -- it's a result of life choices, typical work behaviors, circumstances, lingering gender roles, and maybe a tiny bit of discrimination -- but in th…
/r/MensRights12/02/16 06:02 AM
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Well, as we saw with the Santa Barbara shootings, constant references to the MRM will likely drive traffic here. Stickying these posts is a big help to begin with. Definitely contacting the media is the best way. Random people writing is good, but it's better if we can get statements from the major players. As much as we might not like it, public misconception is our problem. If we ignore it, we risk the misconception taking a stronger hold.
/r/MensRights04/02/16 05:21 AM
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Action Opportunity: If you see an article online referring to the ROK crowd as "Men's Rights Activists," contact them. For example: Dear <Editors of ...>, My name is BlueDoorFour and I'm writing out of concern for a common and damaging error that seems to have come into your recent article "<article title>", from "<date>". The author incorrectly refers to Roosh V and the "Return of Kings" group as "Men's Rights Activists" (MRAs), when in fact the group deliberately distances itself from MRAs and…
/r/MensRights04/02/16 05:04 AM
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I've been seeing feminists left and right calling them "MRAs". An idea -- Could MRAs gather and protest the ROK meet-ups? Edit: And by "protest" I mean counter-demonstrate. I don't oppose their right to free speech, I'd just like to see some public condemnation of their attitudes. Edit: Or maybe NCFM, AVFM, CAFE, etc. or any other group could issue a statement to the press?
/r/MensRights04/02/16 02:11 AM
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The rational standard would be a person is unable to consent when he/she is clearly incapacitated. This would mean that s/he is able to understand the question "want to have sex?" and give a response. Incapacitated would be passed out, nonresponsive, tripping over. Actually, there's already a standard for that. Bartenders may be liable for customers whom they serve that are clearly intoxicated already. Apply the same standard -- if she's too drunk for a bartender to serve her, then she's too far…
/r/MensRights03/02/16 12:39 AM
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Even if circumcision conferred sexual superpowers on a man -- make him immune to every STD, last hours in bed, give and receive perfect orgasms multiple times, made him more attractive, smarter, with no side effects or pain -- I would still oppose doing it to newborn boys. Why? Because it's an irreversible change done without his consent, and the benefits in that case don't come until such an age where he could have consented to it. Religious reasons are no better, though I might be persuaded to…
/r/MensRights25/01/16 11:16 PM
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Losquadro is one of a small but growing breed of “intactivists” — men who believe they were mauled by the circumcisions they underwent as babies[...] Not a fan of the tone here.
/r/MensRights25/01/16 10:56 PM
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I did once
/r/MensRights14/01/16 11:50 PM
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We vaccinate infants and children because it has been proven to prevent deadly childhood diseases. The timing is sensible and the side effects minimal. But you'll notice that we don't give the HPV vaccine to babies. Nor do we cut out the appendix or gallbladder or wisdom teeth before they can talk, in the hopes of preventing future problems. And these are body parts much more likely to cause problems later in life than the foreskin. Now there is some small evidence that circumcision may reduce r…
/r/MensRights26/12/15 04:01 PM
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And wouldn't a woman president be pretty likely to get period blood etc. on priceless historical documents like the Constitution? Ew, no thanks You can fuck right off with that.
/r/MensRights26/12/15 05:14 AM
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It's kinda required to get elected as a democrat. It's not a major focus of his campaign, though, so I still think he's the best candidate out there.
/r/MensRights12/12/15 02:36 AM
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Subject aside... that's some choppy, incoherent writing.
/r/MensRights09/12/15 07:51 PM
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There's a reason for that. The base assumption of most feminists is that genders are either privileged or subjugated, like races or sexualities or sexual identities. That's why "female privilege" is such a ridiculous notion to them. With this assumption, the notion of supporting "men's rights" is ridiculous in the same way campaigning for the civil rights of whites or straights is pointless, and the MRM naturally becomes the gender equivalent of the KKK or the WBC. The assumption is wrong, but i…
/r/MensRights06/12/15 05:29 PM
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Great post, and I'm so sorry this is happening to you. There's some good advice in these comments, especially Bring it to the attention of the higher-ups (guidance counselor, principal, school board). Collect evidence as best you (legally) can. Get statements from your classmates on the things she's saying to you. If it comes to it, you could possibly charge her with verbal abuse. I'll add, respectfully, that you should avoid using terms like "feminazi" as you pursue this further. You're underst…
/r/MensRights05/12/15 05:24 PM
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Oh, lighten up. It's a silly joke.
/r/MensRights28/11/15 06:57 PM
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People are calling him a terrorist.
/r/MensRights28/11/15 06:47 PM
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Let me preface this by saying that I'm firmly against genital mutilation of all forms. A couple issues.... This is being backed by a foreskin restoration company, so it's going to be biased. From the trailer, it seems to be taking this subject far too lightly. If you want to change minds, you can't just let it be silly because it's about penises.
/r/MensRights21/11/15 07:06 PM
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The hell?
/r/MensRights21/11/15 12:31 AM
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Didn't mean to accuse you of anything. There is solid research behind the links between posture and mood. The subject gets over-analyzed when "scholars" start linking it to abstract ideas of privilege and social dominance. It's a case of the following logic: "Evidence?" "Well, I thought about it. Then I thought about it again. That's two data points!"
/r/MensRights18/11/15 08:24 PM
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On a subway, it's about stability more than anything. As a train accelerates/decelerates, try sitting with your feet apart. It'll be easier to keep yourself upright despite your lack of wide hips. So maybe it's a "powerful" pose, but I'm sick to death of this hyper-analysis of posture, gestures, expressions, etc. If "resting bitch-face" isn't an indication of a woman's demeanor and emotions, then "resting knee position" shouldn't indicate a man's attitude.
/r/MensRights18/11/15 07:56 PM
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Sorry to nitpick, but it should be "fewer" men, not less. Thank you for making these!
/r/MensRights17/11/15 02:22 AM
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We don't really know what this guy's skills and experiences are. And library science is a hell of a lot more than archiving, record-keeping, and managing stacks of books. More data is uploaded to youtube each second than the entire history of film before youtube was founded. The information rate is growing, and managing that information will take research and development. Library scientists actually deal with this stuff.
/r/MensRights16/11/15 11:03 PM
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Roosh V. There's your one leader of one organization that advocates for raping women. Do you say Islam is represented by ISIS too? Roosh V has written articles against the MRM. He has nothing to do with us. And even if he did, whom is he leading? How often is his content shared here? How often is it upvoted?
/r/MensRights16/11/15 10:43 PM
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This is good to remember. It's not a contest.
/r/MensRights13/11/15 03:46 AM
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They do.
/r/MensRights12/11/15 11:12 PM
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I don't support Melissa Click's actions either, and I'm disgusted with the actions of many of these protestors. But until they make a move actively targeting men, it's not relevant here. This isn't a white rights or conservatism sub.
/r/MensRights12/11/15 04:30 AM
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The FAQ in the sidebar is a good place to start. (Not trying to be a jerk. Just a suggestion)
/r/MensRights12/11/15 03:18 AM
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Maybe, but this isn't a men's rights issue. The only connection you made is that Melissa Click identifies as a feminist... but then so do most liberal activists in universities. This is an issue of racism and appropriate college behavior. Feminism is relevant to this sub for how it dominates the discourse on gender issues and, in some cases, damages men's rights.
/r/MensRights12/11/15 03:16 AM
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The comments are all like that... every one I've seen. The gospel now is that he was violent, abusive, raping etc. and so this was her unorthodox escape.
/r/MensRights10/11/15 04:26 AM
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I'm not exactly sure, but the phrase "take the red pill" was still in common use among MRAs back in early 2014, when I first discovered the MRM. She attended the ICMI that year, and I think she started filming well before that, so a couple years at least.
/r/MensRights09/11/15 02:46 AM
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Cassie Jaye has addressed the title before. When she started filming, 'taking the red pill' was still a common expression among MRAs for when they stopped agreeing with feminist ideology. It has since been co-opted by the subreddit, so MRAs have been backing away from it, but the film's name stuck. I don't think it's such a big deal, honestly. If this is as fair as it seems to be, given Cassie's trailer and her AMA and other statements/interviews, then the distinctions among the man-o-sphere wil…
/r/MensRights09/11/15 02:34 AM
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Thank you. This post seemed very tin-foil hat.
/r/MensRights08/11/15 03:57 PM
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What the hell are you talking about?
/r/MensRights08/11/15 04:50 AM
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No. Fuck off.
/r/MensRights08/11/15 04:43 AM
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These are all rude things that people of all backgrounds do. I'm all for getting people to stop doing them. What's frustrating is these behaviors get unfairly associated with men, and they become the latest bullshit study in microaggressive assertions of privilege.
/r/MensRights06/11/15 02:58 AM
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Ah, the classic, "boys, we gotta get our shit togedda. The ladies is suffering!" As for the idiotic sentence shuffling example... "John hit Mary." "John hits his wife" "John is a wife-beater." Ta da! So I guess this means we always focus on the victims, right? Alternatively, we could stop playing these stupid semantic games to pretend like we don't demonize men, and actually address the issue with fair research, fair laws, fair enforcement, and fair support systems.
/r/MensRights05/11/15 12:39 AM
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Feminists (which I'll bet much of it did), This was a conjecture, not a claim, so no I don't have evidence. I know several feminists who are keen on seeing this documentary made. Maybe I should have said "some" instead of "much".
/r/MensRights02/11/15 01:23 PM
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Jaye explained in her Kickstarter plea video that she refused to accept funding from ideologically-driven organizations in order to keep the film “non-partisan”—but now her documentary on men’s rights activists is, as she puts it, “kind of being funded by men’s rights advocates.” She denies that this will change the message of the film[...] Oh for the last bleeding time... she refused to exchange creative control for funding. That means Michael Bay doesn't get to demand more explosions, George L…
/r/MensRights02/11/15 03:13 AM
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Ask yourself -- Does she "admire" Thatcher because Thatcher (apparently) supported Pol Pot? I'll shoot any messenger bringing a bullshit message, thank you.
/r/MensRights02/11/15 02:10 AM
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Surely I can appreciate Maggie for not playing the victim card, but supporting Pol Pot is far beyond anything I can justify. Your "critique of Karen Straughan" is nothing more than a critique of Thatcher. Please show me the clip where Karen says, "I like Margaret Thatcher because she supported Pol Pot." For that matter... find the clip where she says "I like Margaret Thatcher" for ANY of Thatcher's politics! And since you clearly haven't figured it out... it's possible to respect some of a perso…
/r/MensRights02/11/15 12:34 AM
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Karen Straughn = Thatcher = Pol Pot. Okay.... Or maybe she respects that Thatcher didn't rise to power by claiming victimhood because of her gender, Thatcher's policies aside. I've watched Karen's videos and listened to my share of HBR and have yet to find anything especially right-wing about her.
/r/MensRights01/11/15 11:24 PM
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Before the red pill sub existed, it was used commonly by MRAs to refer to their experience of embracing an uncomfortable reality. TRP isn't an advocacy movement so much as it's a pseudo-scientific self-help service.
/r/MensRights01/11/15 09:17 PM
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David Futrelle ("we hunted the mammoth", formerly manboobz) had a piece on it. But that's just a dumb anti-MRM blog. Nothing in any mainstream feminist literature that I know of.
/r/MensRights01/11/15 09:15 PM
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No she didn't, she won at the Cannes Independent Film festival, which is recognised as a scam by the real Cannes. Misleading bullshit like that is precisely what makes me think she's just pandering to an audience for easy funding. Fair point. I wasn't aware of the distinction. Still, she has had some success with her earlier work. The Breitbart article (and for that matter most of the comments here) sure does seem to give off that vibe though. Excuse me if the vibes you get don't match the words…
/r/MensRights29/10/15 05:30 AM
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she could be a completely shit filmmaker. For what it's worth... she has won awards at the Cannes Independent* Film Festival.That's kindof a big deal. Further, she never said anything like "feminists are trying to stop my film!" She says she approached her usual funding sources and none would support this project. She has also claimed that a couple would support it, if they received some creative control over it. Which she refused. It's on her word, for sure, that this happened, but it doesn't s…
/r/MensRights29/10/15 02:37 AM
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in order to keep this film non-partisan, and respectfully show all sides to this debate, we won’t accept funding from organizations that inevitably have biased agendas. Perhaps Cassie didn't phrase it very well... she meant that she won't accept funding in exchange for an ideological slant. AVFM, NCFM, r/trp, r/mr, Breitbart, etc. have had no influence in the production or direction of this film, beyond agreeing to do interviews. Did Futrelle see the roiling debate within this sub about funding …
/r/MensRights29/10/15 01:29 AM
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I don't know about that... my fiancée is a feminist. When we started dating, she was firmly convinced that MRAs were just a bunch of teenage trolls online trying to disrupt genuine activism. She believed that men's issues were either nonexistent or negligible side-effects of patriarchy. Revealing to her that I might call myself an MRA made a big difference. Showing her clips from the conference, a couple GWW videos, etc. Saying, "actually, this is the MRM I know and it's nothing like that." It's…
/r/MensRights28/10/15 04:22 PM
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people like an underdogs story Bear in mind how much of the public sees us. That is, your average feminist who's been reading the mainstream media and building up a comfortable view of the world. To them we're another fringe extremist group, comparable to neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Would you support a film that says they're going to genuinely consider what the KKK or WBC has to say? To them, we're not underdogs but terrorists. I think this film will humanize the MRM in the public view. Pe…
/r/MensRights28/10/15 04:10 PM
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Serious question... While running for office, did Obama ever bring up the fact that he would be the first black president? Let alone as a response to a debate question... just, at all. I can't remember that ever happening, but maybe I missed it.
/r/MensRights28/10/15 01:56 AM
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So it could still be pulled now that it's fully-funded?
/r/MensRights28/10/15 12:25 AM
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Definitely avoid defensive statements like "I'm not a misogynist or a rape apologist or..." Just stick to the facts. If you're concerned about being seen as a misogynist, emphasize the point that "one rape is too many," or perhaps frame it like "accurate information is essential to addressing this serious issue." Remember your teacher's point of view, and try to work within it in a way he can sympathize with.
/r/MensRights28/10/15 12:24 AM
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Now that she's reached the benchmark, she doesn't really need the PayPal donations to count toward the Kickstarter. Could she make an acknowledgement of PayPal donations and still give the prizes out to them, skipping the "self-donation" step? That might help her reach her stretch goal, even if she can't actually put it into the Kickstarter page. So glad this worked! And man, if this could get Academy Award qualification... let's keep the donations going.
/r/MensRights28/10/15 12:17 AM
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Is there nothing that can be done to prevent that?
/r/MensRights27/10/15 12:47 AM
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Bear in mind the flaws of the childhood education system. Boys are falling behind in elementary, middle, and high school. Historically, girls wouldn't go on to college, so the richest best and brightest of the boys would get in and go on to white-collar careers while the women settled down and had kids. Now that there's been such a focus on catering to the needs of girls in school, and a general push to get more women in college, that imbalance in early childhood leads to disparity in college po…
/r/MensRights27/10/15 12:36 AM
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Wrong sub, bro.
/r/MensRights26/10/15 07:20 PM
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Excellent! Thanks.
/r/MensRights26/10/15 06:33 PM
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Is it possible for her to forward such donations into the kickstarter? Make a big donation herself out of all the paypal donations? Or does that break the rules somehow? I'll be very disappointed if this doesn't happen... considering what incredible PR this could be for us, and also that we have over 100,000 subscribers here! If everyone gave a dollar it'd be finished.
/r/MensRights26/10/15 04:39 PM
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Sorry for the delay. Totally forgot about your response... MRA is "men's rights activist" (or advocate) So WRA is....?
/r/MensRights23/10/15 11:48 PM
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Eh, I think a lot of it is really just because the prominent internet feminists get success by claiming victimhood. Tf00t at least shows that (a) it happen to anyone who gets famous online and (b) there's a simple way to handle it. I think I get what you're saying, and I agree that he does throw fuel on the fire. It's just to get more content. Creationism got old, so he moved on to radical Islam. SJWs are the latest bit of "stupid on the internet that should be ridiculed." He is kinda milking it…
/r/MensRights22/10/15 04:43 AM
2

For the record, I am not opposed to feminism at all. A women's rights movement is perfectly fine in my book. But you have feminists saying the MRM shouldn't exist because they do, while doing absolutely nothing for men. I agree, and I think most MRAs would agree despite the language here. As I've said before, usually "feminism" here is shorthand for "feminist theory." Most (if not all) MRAs are also WRAs.
/r/MensRights22/10/15 03:38 AM
2

"these instances you are describing are rare", in other words, he was asking for proof of how often a man has consensual sex with a woman while both of them are intoxicated and the man goes to jail. Right, but I think he still missed Dr. Fiamengo's main argument. Whether it's rare or not isn't the question. The point is that it's endorsed and encouraged by the university and fundamentally unfair.
/r/MensRights21/10/15 08:04 PM
1

Okay, I think I get it now. The "it" in "you can call it misogyny" refers to his speculations about why feminism's not taken seriously, not feminism itself. My head hurts... This is a bit excessive. Feminists would argue that feminism "cares about men but focuses on women because that's who's oppressed and so if you oppose feminism you're a misogynist mainly." It's not exactly a big "gotcha."
/r/MensRights21/10/15 07:55 PM
1

The link you shared argues that the only reason people would question feminism is because they're misogynists. I disagree with the author's overly-simplistic view of anti-feminism, but that's beside the point. Your reply, according to you, said "stating that feminism is either all about women (in which case you can call it mysogyny)..." My question was -- how can a gynocentric worldview possibly be considered as hateful to women? [And sorry to be that guy... but it's spelled "misogyny" with an '…
/r/MensRights21/10/15 04:12 PM
3

Why would feminism being only about women be misogyny?
/r/MensRights21/10/15 02:17 PM
-2

John then says that Jane guided his hand and told her [sic] what she wanted him to do. Jane then stood up and said again that she didn't want to have sex, that she had to go meet a friend she had previously agreed to meet, but that she would see John again at her birthday party the next day. This is a bit fishy. Why would she be leading him on in bed and then change her mind? Maybe he was going a bit rough and she changed her mind, but that sure as hell doesn't make him a rapist.
/r/MensRights21/10/15 02:09 AM
3

As a lame example... suppose I have a poker club. Jack shows up each week, and I accuse him of cheating. Then I ban him from the club despite a lack of evidence or due process. Obnoxious, yes, but legal. Now suppose he pays a membership fee, and is entitled to attend under it. There's a contract at work and he's entitled to his money back. Further, suppose I go to the public and make a big show of how much of a cheater Jack is. I talk to his boss and accuse him of stealing, and get him fired. No…
/r/MensRights21/10/15 02:03 AM
3

Then as I said, talk to her, and if that doesn't work go to a teacher.
/r/MensRights21/10/15 12:04 AM
5

What's the context? School? Workplace? If she's your friend, try talking to her, seriously. Say, "Look, I appreciate your enthusiasm but I don't like it when you hit me. Please stop." If that doesn't work, stop hanging out with her. If this is in a professional setting, or a classroom, then go to a higher authority after speaking with her.
/r/MensRights21/10/15 12:01 AM
6

we’ll use a selection of responses in our reporting. Well, I'm sure that selection will be fair.... /s
/r/MensRights20/10/15 11:58 PM
2

I'm posting the kickstarter link again in the hope that more will donate: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cassiejaye/the-red-pill-a-documentary-film/description This is the potentially the best publicity we can get, and I want to see it through.
/r/MensRights20/10/15 11:55 PM
1

Look, man. If you're sincere about this, I admire your passion. And I agree that it would be nice if more people knew what we actually believed and how many of us there actually are. But the fact is that you can't just go out into the world, declare yourself an MRA, and expect to be taken seriously.
/r/MensRights20/10/15 04:54 AM
1

"We hunted the mammoth", formerly manboobz, is a famous anti-MRM site.
/r/MensRights20/10/15 04:52 AM
1

Never do see PETA at intactivist protests, do we?
/r/MensRights19/10/15 02:36 PM
4

"Children's rights not parent's rites." Damn, that's a nice slogan.
/r/MensRights19/10/15 04:44 AM
8

I haven't been here very long compared with some (about 1.5 years), but toward the beginning I still heard prominent MRAs describe their joining the movement as "taking the red pill." It's only after r/theredpill got popular that we've been distancing from the phrase. "The Red Pill" is probably the most effective title for the film, and it captures the filmmaker's experience of investigating it. The only danger with it is that it links us to that other subreddit. I hope, very much, that she'll m…
/r/MensRights17/10/15 07:24 PM
6

It's funny because that's close to what marriage traditionally was, but backwards. The bride is handed from her father to her new husband, in a gesture of "now she's your responsibility."
/r/MensRights17/10/15 07:19 PM
8

... even AMR at least usually links to actual comments. When has any conversation here devolved into that? I've been subscribed 1.5 years and haven't seen it happen. Not once.
/r/MensRights15/10/15 04:34 AM
1

Really nice work! The one with the cups, the one with the checkboxes, and the "record consent" ones are my favorites. The one with the safety pin... I guess that's for paternity fraud / sperm-jacking? It's not really as big a concern, especially on college campuses. It might seem paranoid. "Condoms do not protect against false claims" could be mistaken for victim-blaming. [Of course, all of these can, but that one most of all]. The buddha one is a nice sentiment, but I don't get why it'd be on a…
/r/MensRights14/10/15 06:07 AM
3

When you are going up against gynocentrism... Which is why there's a pretty young blonde feminist woman leading the investigation. People don't sit still to be bludgeoned with facts. They will stare facts in the face and yell "nay!" until they're blue, and they'll have support on all sides while they do it. This will, maybe, get people to stop seeing us as violent monsters. Putting a human face on it, even a male one, makes an enormous difference.
/r/MensRights14/10/15 01:06 AM
10

The thing is, people do respond to emotional appeal. From the trailer and her interview with Paul Elam, it seems to me that her experience of making this documentary has made her sympathetic to our cause. As far as "feels" go, the main obstacle we face are the "feels" of our opposition. People who know nothing about us except that we're "bitter, misogynistic, creepy, lonely, and whiny" because that's what ____ person said, and so they won't even bother with us. This documentary allows prominent …
/r/MensRights14/10/15 12:23 AM
13

I liked her squawk on "... have always had rights".
/r/MensRights13/10/15 05:01 AM
1

Fair enough. From the bits you've quoted (and bolded) in other comments, it seems like Cassie feels an urgency to this project, which I appreciate. If this is indeed as neutral and honest as it seems to be, then it is important that this gets out soon. If successful, it could make all the difference to the future of the MRM. her Gob Pardon my ignorance... but what does that mean?
/r/MensRights12/10/15 09:58 PM
8

She's done a good job covering the bases here, but I still worry. I'll donate to see it through; it's at least fairer than most popular representations of us, and she seems to know she's doing. What worries me is her interview with Big Red, talking about the "abuse" she suffered, but apparently not the abuse BR hurled at us. It's one thing to talk to prominent feminist leaders and get their misconceptions/interpretations, but BR isn't a prominent feminist. Her only role in this that I can see is…
/r/MensRights12/10/15 08:22 PM
2

Can this be any more sexist? Given their response... apparently.
/r/MensRights11/10/15 11:50 PM
6

The credits say "Big Red" is in it? .... Did they seriously interview her? Otherwise an impressive list of MRAs there. Trailer seemed pretty neutral to me, except for the title. Unless this is meant to explore the entire "manosphere"... but it's already in post-production and she still calls it all the MRM.
/r/MensRights11/10/15 11:46 PM
5

or the interpreter will throw a Trigger Warning. Hah. This is brilliant. Definitely a satire; not a Poe.
/r/MensRights10/10/15 06:18 PM
3

This ended up trending on Facebook. What's disturbing in this is that people can show a video of a woman leg-locking a struggling boy and forcing his head into her crotch... and interpret that as her being sexually-assaulted. It's obvious that this is some kind of hazing ritual. Apparently the women were prostitutes hired to participate, and pledges were made to wrestle with them. Regardless of complaints, hazing is illegal at every university (at least as far as I'm aware...) and any evidence w…
/r/MensRights08/10/15 09:59 PM
1

"Well women are the disadvantaged sex... so obviously they're disadvantaged in courts!" This is what happens when your entire ideology comes down to designations of privileged vs. oppressed. There's no room for context.
/r/MensRights08/10/15 03:18 AM
1

His views are a "professional opinion," and backed up by mountains of literature. Of course, that doesn't make them right. There's mountains of literature on creationism and homeopathy, too. Honestly, if I were you I'd just write the paper he wants. I'd save this project for a senior thesis or even master's thesis. That being said, if you're up for it... Go into this with an open mind. Set out to agree with your professor's views, but don't trust them. Begin with feminist literature to try to pi…
/r/MensRights07/10/15 06:40 AM
45

Do some research & you'll find that women get stiffer sentences for the same crime. That's... precisely the opposite of reality.
/r/MensRights07/10/15 05:45 AM
1

Context matters. If the person who kisses you against your will--or after one too many drinks--is your professor, or someone who's been harassing you all semester long, or a friend who's now violating your trust, the emotional consequences could be pretty severe. Of course context matters... that's part of the reason these surveys fail to capture the nuance. Even within one category -- an unwanted kiss -- you've grouped "got drunk and got randomly kissed at the party" with "my teacher grabbed an…
/r/MensRights30/09/15 11:13 PM
1

That seems like a good way to correct for the sampling bias, actually, since there are physical records of sexual misconduct reports. You can then weight the other results accordingly. Of course, you still have the same Koss-type issues of vague wording and lumping categories together. I wish my university had made this study mandatory, such as making you complete it before you could register for classes. Instead they offered a $5 amazon gift card as an incentive. Most undergrads don't have the …
/r/MensRights30/09/15 11:04 PM
-1

Is that why they do it to babies? To prevent STIs? My point being that if its main benefit is to prevent STIs, then it should be done voluntarily by consenting adults or teenagers.
/r/MensRights27/09/15 06:12 PM
2

Who the hell still uses the prefix "cyber"?
/r/MensRights25/09/15 01:30 PM
3

I know a trap when I see one... "Lolz masculinity so fragile!" "Hey, not it's not." "Hahahaha!!! See‽ He's so mad!!!"
/r/MensRights25/09/15 05:44 AM
1

I'm a little worried about her comments on "I'd rather be raped than..." I know what she means, but it seems like a solid target for quote-mining.
/r/MensRights25/09/15 05:42 AM
7

# MaleLivesMatter ?
/r/MensRights18/09/15 05:42 PM
16

The common tendency is to divide society into "oppressed" and "privileged," though not always with that exact terminology. It's easier to think of injustice as working that way. Some people, based on some characteristic, are disadvantaged. Those who lack that trait aren't. It's easy then to see who deserves sympathy and support. Intersectionality makes it seem legitimate by combining categories, but ultimately still divides each category into an "privileged" vs "oppressed" split. We're left with…
/r/MensRights11/09/15 04:36 AM
1

It was that point in the article that I finally lost it.... the author completely glosses over the smaller percentage of men applying to college. Oh, of course that's not important -- what matter is that colleges are trying to maintain a diverse environment in a way that makes it harder for the poor womens!
/r/MensRights11/09/15 03:03 AM
5

Free Inhabitant was a term used in the AoC to refer to a non-slave. That's all.
/r/MensRights10/09/15 08:58 PM
1

Big fan of tf00t, and not fond of Anita.... but these videos are starting to get repetitive and weak. He's played the same "the more you think you aren't affected by it..." clip dozens of times, and the candid video of her saying how she's not a gamer even more times.
/r/MensRights10/09/15 03:30 AM
6

If I have the power to prevent it.
/r/MensRights10/09/15 03:25 AM
2

I've heard some go into a kind of catatonic shock that can look like sleep.
/r/MensRights06/09/15 02:38 PM
2

Relative difficulty of the operations, most likely.
/r/MensRights01/09/15 08:29 PM
1

The trouble is less about the law and more about societal norms. If I take off my shirt and paint my chest at a football tailgate, nobody bats an eyelid. If I take my shirt off at the office... I'll get written up. Though it's not true of my current job, I've been in workplaces before where I could get fired for not shaving correctly. As for getting arrested, check your local laws. In most places, it is legal. Unfortunately for women, taking off your tops anywhere will get attention because it's…
/r/MensRights25/08/15 02:30 PM
2

I saw something like this in meme form over two years ago... So, so wrong.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 11:57 PM
1

That title has nothing to do with science.
/r/MensRights13/08/15 05:33 PM
6

Everybody poops, too. I have no issue with that, it's just not all that sexy to me.
/r/MensRights11/08/15 03:04 PM
1

So if she translated pre-existing programing notes how is she the first? even if she added to those notes clearly the other guy was before her. Actually, she translated the notes of Luigi Federico Menabrea. Or, rather, she translated his notes and then nearly doubled them with her own additions. The notes were not "programming notes," they were designs of the Analytical Engine. You seem to be conflating the Analytical Engine -- designed to be the first programmable computer -- with the Differenc…
/r/MensRights11/08/15 02:50 PM
1

Right, she translated the work. But she also added her own notes to it, which introduced the concepts in my original response (encoding letters and looping). Those contributions are why she's considered the first programmer. Not that she was the first to work a difference machine, but that she introduced ideas fundamental to programming. As a programmer, I'd almost agree. It's a bit fishy, but you have to set some basic requirements to be the first "programmer", unless you want to give the title…
/r/MensRights11/08/15 04:42 AM
2

Well, I'm not a historian... but I did find the 1843 paper she translated with additional notes, introducing the ideas of encoding letters numerically and of repeating commands (loops). There are some who claim she wrote the whole thing... but I see no evidence of that. Further, I don't think anyone puts her above her mentor. As I said... she's considered the first programmer, not the computer's inventor. I don't meant to antagonize. Again, I'm not a historian. If you have a good source on this,…
/r/MensRights11/08/15 04:24 AM
3

She's considered the first programmer, not the inventor of the computer. There's some debate over how much she contributed to programming Babbage's difference engine.
/r/MensRights11/08/15 03:29 AM
1

Typically, these women are not even charged. Or the point is how it's reported, "had sex with..." instead of "assaulted" for underage affairs, for example.
/r/MensRights08/08/15 01:40 PM
1

That's the point... There's clear evidence of a crime, but no punishment.
/r/MensRights07/08/15 10:00 PM
2

Maybe we should change the "WBB" tag to something that makes that clear to outsiders, like "Scot-free" or "no justice."
/r/MensRights07/08/15 03:56 PM
0

This turned up on my Facebook news. Top comment (from a man): "Sigh... Maybe some day men will learn!"
/r/MensRights05/08/15 11:58 PM
-2

Between your scare-quotes on men's rights, and your apparent ignorance of what MRA stands for, I don't think you're with us.
/r/MensRights31/07/15 02:09 AM
0

sad day for the MRA Which MRA?
/r/MensRights31/07/15 02:04 AM
1

The problem is that one proposes a worldview antithetical to the goals of the other. Feminist policies are responsible for some of men's problems, and at best the ideology is not equipped to acknowledge them as anything but secondary effects of women's problems.
/r/MensRights27/07/15 11:09 PM
1

Then they link you to some buzzfeed or "everyday feminism" article with a bullet list of bullshit points about how helping women actually helps men.... "Patriarchy hurts men too!"
/r/MensRights20/07/15 12:03 PM
2

Well said. It's basically slut-shaming.
/r/MensRights19/07/15 02:35 PM
18

"Anti-feminism" translates to "anti-woman" for most people. It's incorrect, but that's what happens. Maybe I don't venture beyond this sub all that much, but I have yet to see a growing hostility towards any demographic. Ideologies, for sure, (that's half the point of this sub), but not a demographic.
/r/MensRights15/07/15 12:45 PM
2

It's satirizing a strawman. Or, perhaps on a deeper level, satirizing the idea of science discussions being pervaded with sexism. Funnily enough, there are people in gender studies who make ridiculous claims about science... Luce Irigaray for one....
/r/MensRights14/07/15 11:29 PM
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I think Doctor Randomercam said it best: "[Because ladies' brains] shut down as soon as they smell a waft of pinot grigio, unlike mens' far superior brains that remain perfectly lucid no matter how much fucking krokodil is mainlined into their ear canal!" Edit: So much karma for someone else's joke.... I feel terrible. Here's the original video. This guy's a champ.
/r/MensRights13/07/15 02:02 AM
2

Adding to that... I've noticed you really don't see many negative female characters anymore. That is, you don't get characters that aren't intelligent, capable, strong, sassy, etc. You get villains, for sure, but I have to strain to think of a female character in a recent Hollywood film who didn't "have it together." You can't show any flaw, lest you incur accusations of sexism. It's really just a question of what writers are comfortable writing. Most TV and film writers are male, so they may be…
/r/MensRights12/07/15 05:45 AM
5

They pick out heavily-downvoted comments and posts as evidence of this sub's overall attitude. Either that, or they misrepresent upvoted posts, ignoring sarcasm and satire, and interpreting statements according to their own unique definitions.
/r/MensRights11/07/15 04:58 AM
3

The comments are some consolation. I hope the NYT has the integrity to publish another opinion that's actually informed.
/r/MensRights11/07/15 04:49 AM
3

Shave your legs and see :) edit: (That was a lighthearted joke you idiots...)
/r/MensRights08/07/15 05:46 PM
5

And male porn stars make what percentage of their female counterparts' pay? It's about what sells.
/r/MensRights06/07/15 10:51 PM
28

“The accuser is always the one who has to prove that it happened,” she said. Yes... and?
/r/MensRights05/07/15 03:32 PM
1

Huge Tf00t fan, but I have to criticize this one a bit. I agree that there's a movement to shame male sexuality. The problem is that Laci isn't saying it's wrong to find women attractive; she's saying it's wrong to value women for their attractiveness alone. I disagree with her -- Objectification isn't inherently wrong. Human bodies are objects, and my attraction to another person (at first!) is based on his/her body. If all you have of a person is a picture, then your impression of her will be …
/r/MensRights04/07/15 04:39 PM
1

Seriously! I've heard economists argue in both directions on it. Some say a large part is due to discrimination, others say none of it is. I'm inclined to disagree and say that it's not at all discrimination... at least not on a scale detectable by national surveys. Still, to say that there's "no doubt" is either ignorant or a lie.
/r/MensRights03/07/15 04:48 AM
1

They'll probably attract a more female crowd with this pricing scheme (kinda like a permanent 'ladies night'). Assuming the majority of them are into men... they'll probably get more of the tips. So male bartenders will get more tips. And the "pay gap" lives on.
/r/MensRights03/07/15 04:46 AM
1

What makes us meta?
/r/MensRights28/06/15 10:44 PM
1

Now even that's gone. He's left with a single muscle in his cheek.
/r/MensRights27/06/15 05:05 PM
1

American history minor, and a class in gender studies. Admittedly not my concentration, but I've seen social sciences.
/r/MensRights26/06/15 07:55 PM
1

I recently lost my father, a respectable man who has taken care of me and my two brothers since our mom died nine years ago. Father's and mother's days were never really a big deal for us. After going to college I'd send a card and give a phone call, that kind of thing. Even now, it doesn't sting to see all the happy facebook posts to peoples' fathers. What gets me, not hurt but angry, is the use of it to point to the "problems of fatherhood." I'm on the white house public email list, and I get …
/r/MensRights23/06/15 03:24 PM
2

This should be the lineup at a conference on men's issues.
/r/MensRights22/06/15 08:14 PM
5

I'm not sure he does. I think he's just explaining, effectively, why men run away from that horror.
/r/MensRights22/06/15 04:45 PM
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That they're men who deserve rights. Maybe search this sub a bit. This question comes up very often.
/r/MensRights21/06/15 08:38 PM
1

This will just be interpreted as more "straight white men vs women in science" bullshit.
/r/MensRights21/06/15 06:12 PM
3

I'll buy it anonymously, throw it out, and let this self-righteous buzz fade away.
/r/MensRights14/06/15 03:21 AM
1

It might make more sense if the moderators of the sub weren't doing enough to combat it. If the mods have clear-cut evidence of actual harassment -- users directly contacting the people they're hating on -- and they chose to do nothing, then you can argue that the mods are complicit in the harassment. I'd argue that there should be warnings first... and a clear system presenting the evidence at each step.... but if all else fails then it's not unreasonable for the sub itself to be removed. That'…
/r/MensRights12/06/15 10:05 PM
1

Tim Hunt resigned. He wasn't fired.
/r/MensRights12/06/15 02:06 PM
5

Canary in the coal mine, perhaps?
/r/MensRights12/06/15 03:48 AM
1

Does the content of a banned sub still exist somehow? I ask because I have a lot of content saved from here. I might download it all on the chance that this sub is deemed "unsavory" and gets axed... Edit:.... Would anyone care to explain the downvoting? I'm asking about how banning works -- do they delete all content ever produced by the sub, or just block future access to it?
/r/MensRights12/06/15 02:32 AM
5

Fucking hell...
/r/MensRights11/06/15 12:48 AM
12

Jeez... A "prescribed percentage" devoted to... what exactly? That's creepily imprecise.
/r/MensRights04/06/15 03:55 AM
2

I applaud her courage in coming out. Now can we please be done with it?
/r/MensRights04/06/15 03:52 AM
3

Code either works or it doesn't.
/r/MensRights31/05/15 06:52 PM
5

Okay... relevance?
/r/MensRights31/05/15 05:44 PM
2

They're talking about public schools, where the dress code is basically "don't be naked." This tends to impact the girls more, but not because they're targeted.
/r/MensRights28/05/15 04:18 PM
1

"Something something.... privilege plus penetration..."
/r/MensRights23/05/15 06:58 PM
1

I'm in the same boat as you, just gender-flipped. My girlfriend denies any arguments against circumcision, reaches for every flimsy justification, and has even gone so far as to accept some forms of FGM to avoid being a hypocrite. Her argument really comes down to "because most synagogues won't accept us if we don't." ( I'm Jewish too, but non-practicing atheist). Why would I want to join a community that won't accept my body as it was born? Good luck in reaching your boyfriend. I hope for the s…
/r/MensRights23/05/15 06:57 PM
0

So your excuse is only good once or will this be the go-to for rape accusations that turn out to be more than questionable? Excuse for what? It's an opinion. And yes.... this opinion is only good once at a time. Unless you think I should make sweeping assumptions about women, and conclude that all women who make questionable rape accusations are lying sociopaths. I'm choosing not to assume that someone is a sociopath without evidence to support that conclusion. Whether or not I have the same opi…
/r/MensRights22/05/15 04:21 AM
3

... username
/r/MensRights22/05/15 03:25 AM
2

A good point. I'm not ruling out that possibility, I just prefer to give people some benefit of the doubt and assume they're not just psychos -- unless there's proof that that's the case. What I see here is a woman who is determined to make a big spectacle to bring about vigilante justice. I say that she's trying to bring vigilante justice because she made public the name of the man she accuses. If she just wanted to make a statement about living as an assault survivor, she could have simply car…
/r/MensRights21/05/15 03:40 AM
2

Or I'm saying that a woman might be deceiving herself. Read it again, and show me where I make a general claim about women.
/r/MensRights21/05/15 03:26 AM
-5

I don't think she's a liar. Please hear me out. Deluded perhaps. She may have managed to convince herself that an awkward or unpleasant sexual experience was a violent crime. But I find it very hard to believe that anyone would go through this much trouble if they didn't truly believe they were right. Naturally, her devotion to the story isn't proof of it, and there's a lot of damning evidence against it. To me, her behavior just seems like good evidence that she's not totally pulling this out o…
/r/MensRights20/05/15 10:00 PM
1

That is actually pretty typical of dorm mattresses. Most freshman dorms I know of have mattresses in size Twin-Long, but hers seems to be about twin sized. Whatever the dimensions, they're usually only about that thick. I guess the symbolism being... "rape" on campus isn't as much a weight to carry?
/r/MensRights20/05/15 05:44 AM
1

Oh, just shake it off...
/r/MensRights20/05/15 12:45 AM
2

Let's hope that this marks the completion of her self-righteous crusade.
/r/MensRights20/05/15 12:39 AM
3

Let me guess... there was a lot of "teehee, penis"? At least, that was the reaction my friends had to the article... and they're all in the mid-twenties. Sigh.
/r/MensRights18/05/15 05:29 AM
2

Who is she?
/r/MensRights18/05/15 04:44 AM
6

To be fair... if you heard that they'd hired, say, a creationist on a historical drama, would you not hesitate before seeing it? I was all set to see it, until I heard Eve Ensler was hired as a consultant. However, given the positive response here, I think I will go see it.
/r/MensRights18/05/15 04:29 AM
9

1) We are not "meninists." 2) Nobody cares.
/r/MensRights17/05/15 04:01 AM
4

Mad Max controversy? And what do they have against garbage collectors? It's a vital yet thankless job.
/r/MensRights14/05/15 08:07 PM
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I'm not one of those people who compares feminists to racists, nazis, or fascists (though there are some extreme folks out there who do), so I hope you'll understand that I make the following analogy only as an analogy, and I don't mean to imply anything negative about good people like yourself who adopt the label. I want you to imagine going into a civil rights forum and declaring "I'm a racist" because, to you, "racist" means someone who cares about racial issues. What it means to you is not t…
/r/MensRights13/05/15 03:51 PM
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See, this is part of why I prefer to avoid ideological labels. You find yourself spending more time debating what the label means than you do actually discussing issues. Further, it's easy to trick yourself into believing other things. At least, that's what I found from the time I called myself a feminist. It was easy to say, "I believe ____ because that's part of feminism." Having rejected the label, I hope that I can scrutinize my opinions more carefully.
/r/MensRights12/05/15 08:50 PM
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Claim to fame: None Hah!
/r/MensRights12/05/15 04:01 AM
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Give 'em hell Honey Badgers!
/r/MensRights10/05/15 05:10 AM
2

The neutrinos have MUTATED!!
/r/MensRights10/05/15 05:09 AM
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I've got ya: Archived version
/r/MensRights10/05/15 05:08 AM
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I get it. Not trying to criticise. I guess I'm just being pessimistic. Thank you for sharing! This is progress.
/r/MensRights09/05/15 11:23 PM
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Fair enough. I appreciate that they're doing this, for sure, but it's the legal definitions that obscure the rates of victimization and perpetration. Campaigns that occasionally throw us a bone, saying "of course men can be victims too!" don't do anything to fix that. You'll hear how "95% of rapists are male" and "90% of rape victims are female" ... naturally that is what you find if you legally define rape in such a way that emphasizes male perpetration.
/r/MensRights09/05/15 10:40 PM
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Of course, under British law it's still only rape if the victim is penetrated. Nice of them to acknowledge male victims, but they're still ignoring most female perpetrators.
/r/MensRights09/05/15 09:04 PM
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They do pierce them.
/r/MensRights07/05/15 10:26 PM
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If someone wants a circumcision, for medical or religious reasons, let them make that choice once they're old enough. This really is the crux of the matter. We aren't opposed to body modification, just forcing it on babies. Imagine parents who wanted to tattoo their child.
/r/MensRights07/05/15 02:37 PM
1

It was so good until he started on the PUA stuff...
/r/MensRights06/05/15 12:03 AM
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The term "objectify" could probably refer to both. As Karen Straughan put it, you have objectification as ornaments and objectification as tools. In either case, you're removing a person's humanity and treating them according to a function -- either for their visual appeal or usefulness.
/r/MensRights04/05/15 04:29 PM
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I reserve judgement until I've seen the paper... why no preprint?
/r/MensRights04/05/15 04:40 AM
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Just to nitpick a little, this isn't entirely correct... "objectify" is not the same as "judge." "Objectification" means to be reduced to the body you inhabit, and have any other qualities you possess (intelligence, charm, ambition, weakness, etc.) ignored. It's only a problem when it reaches that point -- where someone's personhood is ignored and their body emphasized. It absolutely happens to men, and baldness/muscles/height/suit are part of that, but the other attributes listed aren't part of…
/r/MensRights04/05/15 04:13 AM
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There was an article asking "why is America celebrating a black boy being beaten?" This was in reference to the mother smacking her rioting son. The obvious answer, which they strained so hard to avoid, is that it's because he's her son and she is a woman.
/r/MensRights01/05/15 05:56 PM
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Fyi: donotlink doesn't prevent ad revenue from page views. You'll want to use archive.today.
/r/MensRights30/04/15 02:28 PM
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Going up to someone's apartment after dinner is not what communicates consent to sex; having sex is. I'm a little confused by this... You consent to sex by having sex? If someone allows sex to happen, when they could physically and without danger object, that to me is enough of a sign of consent that it isn't rape. That's kinda what I mean. Consent doesn't need to be verbal. What I mean by the "going up to his room" comment is that, unless there is a misunderstanding, asking "bedroom?" is asking…
/r/MensRights30/04/15 01:10 AM
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Devil's advocate, probably because workplace deaths are seen as an unavoidable fact of some professions, while the wage gap is seen as evidence of discrimination. Sentencing disparities are good evidence of anti-male discrimination.
/r/MensRights29/04/15 08:53 PM
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You do understand what those words mean, right?
/r/MensRights29/04/15 08:49 PM
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Is germans joking about murdering jews in front of jews the way jews might use humour to cope with the holocaust, or is it different? Well, your grammar truly is a mindfuck. Anyone can joke about a tragedy. If jews object should they just accept its their own way of coping? As a Jew, fuck you. If German schoolboys want to make holocaust jokes, I don't care. If a German politician cracked such a joke in a campaign speech, then we might have a problem. How do you not see the difference?
/r/MensRights29/04/15 07:58 PM
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Then why are you arguing about men making rape jokes with women as the but of the joke. For the third time, that is not what I'm arguing. Surely of you educated yourself about it, you would be making some relevant and devastating argument to their rape culture theory, surely you wouldn't be making these mistakes with context if you understood their arguments. So... I disagree with you, therefore I must not understand. Brilliant. What mistakes of context? I'm not presenting my arguments against t…
/r/MensRights29/04/15 07:57 PM
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It happened recently, he said he hope someone was gangraped after they objected to him joking with female rape victims as the butt, and the only reason their careers are threatened is because of people quite rightly objecting to them. Daniel Tosh? He got in huge trouble for that. You are using double standards to argue for men making rape jokes with female rape victims as the butt. Prove it. Show me how I did that. I suspect you aren't even reading my responses. Its a retarded thing to argue for…
/r/MensRights29/04/15 06:40 PM
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Consent really isn't that complicated, and I fully agree that it should be taught in sex ed classes. There's a lot of misinformation out there, especially about the role of alcohol. What bothers me is when it becomes one-sided ("Teach men about consent!"), when the promoted idea is that rape happens "by accident" ("If he had just known about consent!"), or when bad sex is confused with criminal assault ("He got really rough halfway through, and didn't ask if that was okay.") We might disagree on…
/r/MensRights29/04/15 02:54 PM
1

Gentlemen?
/r/MensRights29/04/15 02:33 PM
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Really goes to show how shitty a beer is when they can only advertise its intoxicating effect. It's like Coors advertising how cold their beer is. Obviously, the slogan wasn't supposed to be related to rape. Of course it comes across that way, and it was a stupid oversight on their part. It was part of their newest campaign trying to link Bud Light to "uninhibited fun." It really shows how hyper-sensitive the current culture is to anything remotely "rapey". The hashtag campaign got the slogan re…
/r/MensRights29/04/15 02:31 PM
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"What it's like to grow up rich surrounded by homeless"
/r/MensRights29/04/15 02:17 PM
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So the rules change when its prison rape, kill all men, boys are stupid through rocks at them etc. No, and I didn't bring up two of those. Let's look at these one by one. prison rape The only kind of commonly-accepted rape-themed humor that is at the expense of the victim. Can you see the difference between jokes at the expense of the victims of a crime and jokes that, for shock value, make light of a serious topic? kill all men, boys are stupid throw rocks at them Do you really think MRAs belie…
/r/MensRights29/04/15 04:24 AM
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Not to mention that low-effort posts like this are against the rules of this sub...
/r/MensRights29/04/15 04:05 AM
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There is a well documented and very strong bias in hiring in favor of women within philosophy departments. Then post this documentation, not just the standard "We are an equal opportunity employer" message that every employer makes. That's not evidence. What makes us look bad is when examples like this get posted, along with a "... and we all know what that means", instead of the facts.
/r/MensRights28/04/15 10:29 PM
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So your argument is that none of the jokes about rape trivialize rape, except prison rape jokes. Jokes don't trivialize tragedies. Humor helps us cope with the horror of the world. Jokes about the holocaust, 9/11, North Korea, rape, racism... they're funny (to some) because they take a serious topic and treat it lightly. This may look like trivialization, but if the comedian or audience were to actually trivialize the subject, then the joke would lose its humor. The humor stems from the irony in…
/r/MensRights28/04/15 08:05 PM
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The mra impression is that that rape culture means the culture is openly and consciously supporting all rape including violent stranger rape, which is too absurd to be true. Uh huh... Since you didn't quote the definition in the article you linked... Rape culture is the ways in which a society trivializes, rationalizes, or even condones rape and other acts of sexual violence. Maybe some MRAs fit your impression of them. Since there's not central dogma to the MRM, it's hard to make any sweeping s…
/r/MensRights28/04/15 05:58 PM
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Please clarify for me: What is the MRA definition and what is the feminist definition?
/r/MensRights28/04/15 05:32 PM
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And what, may I ask, is the rape culture that the foremost authority on sexual violence doesn't see?
/r/MensRights28/04/15 04:47 PM
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I hope she left her mattress in the "safe space."
/r/MensRights28/04/15 03:24 AM
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I'm so sick of all this "not all men" bullshit. No idea where you keep hearing that phrase, because the MRAs aren't saying it...
/r/MensRights27/04/15 01:00 PM
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It's these kinds of posts that give us a bad reputation. This is in no way discriminatory.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 12:55 PM
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You have ask all your female friends on facebook "hey do you want to have some coffee with me?" My girlfriend doesn't like coffee. We will document the answers and make a "facebook coffee" funnel starting with all the females that received the question, then all the females that answered it, then all the females that said yes or no and then all the females that set a date for it. I'm confused... we're sharing our Facebook friends on reddit and documenting their responses to this question? My que…
/r/MensRights24/04/15 04:43 AM
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Probably not actually watching it, just upvoting by title.
/r/MensRights23/04/15 03:02 AM
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I'd start with the positives (gww, eg), not the examples of feminists acting badly. Otherwise you'll get a swift NAFALT and whoever was watching will leave.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 08:47 PM
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Consider that, most of the time, when users here criticize feminism they really mean feminist theory and actions. I can elaborate, but I'm on mobile now. It's not so much the intentions as the world view and specific behaviors of prominent feminists.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 08:44 PM
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And I don't want to be the equivalent of the people who cry "racism!" every time they see a poster that doesn't include a non-white person in it. See, my problem with it isn't that it's aimed at female victims. I agree that the majority of sexual assault victims in colleges are probably women. The problem as I see it is that these posters and the events they advertise treat men as the cause of a problem. To use your analogy, it would be like putting up posters saying "Walk to Class in White Shoe…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 04:05 AM
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"Men helping men find a solution." "Make sure she wants you as much as you want her." "Walk a mile in her shoes." The implication is clear: Men are the rapists, women the victims.
/r/MensRights15/04/15 05:16 PM
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"You manage to Where's Waldo the ONLY rape story" Yes, Jon. Isn't that something? A news outlet goes looking for their perfect story... expecting "a sea of verifiable assaults"... and manage to find one fake story. It takes some real self-deception to think that Rolling Stone was just lucky enough to catch that "one in a billion" story that was fake...
/r/MensRights14/04/15 05:01 AM
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Check the CDC figures on "made to penetrate". This is the most common form of female-on-male rape.
/r/MensRights14/04/15 03:14 AM
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*yawn* Feminism helps men too because patriarchy hurts men too blah blah. It's nonsense. As for your question -- show me the MRAs here who are actively harassing feminists. We criticize feminism, and sometimes lampoon prominent feminists, but do not (to my knowledge) do targeted harassment. Unfortunately, many feminists deem ridicule and criticism and harassment. As others here have explained, "Meninism" is a parody. They're taking feminist talking points and showing how ridiculous they sound wh…
/r/MensRights14/04/15 03:13 AM
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lol. "male victims" You mean if a man bruises his knuckles, right???? (This is sarcasm)
/r/MensRights14/04/15 03:05 AM
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This isn't the red pill, and this has nothing to do with men's rights.
/r/MensRights14/04/15 03:03 AM
3

Here's SparkyFister's response.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 11:22 AM
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But catcalling!!
/r/MensRights13/04/15 03:34 AM
10

reverse discrimination
/r/MensRights12/04/15 08:47 PM
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This list is fantastic. Thank you! I've been meaning to put together something like this for a while, after collecting sources via the "Save" feature here. Maybe when I finally do I can combine it with yours. It might also help to include counter-arguments in the form of papers that cite the ones lists here but dispute their claims. A single author's claims aren't usually enough (consider how we dismiss the CDC "1 in 4 in college" claim). It's best to keep in mind how academics argue for or agai…
/r/MensRights11/04/15 07:00 PM
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I've heard that too, but I couldn't find anything to substantiate it. It seems the term did emerge from second-wave Feminism. Even so, systematic prison rape is probably the part of society best described as a "rape culture."
/r/MensRights10/04/15 06:24 AM
2

I have no idea what you're getting at. Equality has many definitions. Most commonly among human rights activists, it refers to equal treatment. Societies should give all people with the same basic human rights. It doesn't mean equivalence. As a trivial example: I am not equivalent to a woman in terms of childbearing. What do you mean by "feminized MRAs"?
/r/MensRights09/04/15 05:50 AM
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It's like there's a finite amount of fanaticism in feminism. The more fanatical some become, the more their numbers drop.
/r/MensRights09/04/15 05:43 AM
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Sorry, it's a boy guest spot.
/r/MensRights09/04/15 03:03 AM
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Step 2) Claim critical backlash is the rampant sexism misogyny you're seeking.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 10:28 PM
2

See Blutarg below.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 05:52 AM
2

If he were to have sex with an infant... it would be rape.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 05:11 AM
2

Circumcision may reduce the odds of acquiring STD's. This is probable the greatest non religious non cultural reason to circumcise. What he used as a reason to circumcise a child.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 04:57 AM
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Unless he plans to repeatedly rape said child, and wants to marginally reduce the child's chance of getting one of his STDs without using a condom.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 04:53 AM
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It sure does. "Hey men! Why are you violent monsters?" "Uhh..." "We'll help you be more feminine so you won't be! Hooray!"
/r/MensRights07/04/15 11:19 PM
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The key issues here are medical necessity and personal autonomy. Circumcision is no more necessary than a tattoo, and is just as permanent. You'll hear arguments about the risks, long-term damage, etc., but for me it's enough that it violates the basic right to bodily autonomy and lacks necessity. In short, think of why you wouldn't tattoo a baby.
/r/MensRights07/04/15 06:43 PM
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That's all that they have? Five speakers? That's over a $100 per talk per person. Where is this money going? Is this a conference or an AVFM fundraiser?
/r/MensRights05/04/15 04:51 AM
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In many cases, the content posted is hacked off the victim's computer. There was no vengeful ex-boyfriend who submitted it. So it's privacy invasion and criminal hacking as well.
/r/MensRights04/04/15 08:53 PM
1

Did I say that? OP posted some bullshit about how we need to shame women for how they dress. This has nothing to do with men's rights or Feminism (which itself is a men's rights issue). It continues the (false) idea that we simply want to "perpetuate patriarchal norms." In other words, be traditionalist.
/r/MensRights04/04/15 04:45 AM
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what does mra think? What does men's rights activist think? You obviously have some misconceptions about what we do here. Please read the FAQ.
/r/MensRights04/04/15 04:26 AM
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I want to see well researched figures on the prevalence of "victim-blaming." How many people honestly believe that a raped woman is to blame because of her clothes? What about a raped man? I hear it claimed all the time that this myth is common... but I can think of zero people I know who believe it. Also... March is Women's History Month, April is apparently sexual assault awareness month.... it's like the entire Spring is devoted to women. And yes, "sexual assault awareness month" is about wom…
/r/MensRights03/04/15 05:48 AM
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so-called "Men's Rights Activists" Yes, that is what we're called. We're called that because we advocate for the human rights of men.
/r/MensRights01/04/15 10:17 PM
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Some friends of mine just got back from DC, where they saw a protest by the bloodstained men. They don't know I'm an intactivist. They couldn't stop laughing at it. Said it "looked like he just had his period!" and were giggling over the word "penis." These are graduate students... I'm very disappointed in them.
/r/MensRights01/04/15 10:16 PM
2

How do you know? I don't mean this as a challenge. I'm just curious -- were you circumcised later in life?
/r/MensRights01/04/15 10:13 PM
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I don't feel butchered, mutilated, deformed, or otherwise "wrong." However, my experience doesn't speak for everyone. I firmly oppose any unnecessary medical procedures with permanent effects being done to anyone who cannot consent to them. I do, however, resent that such an important decision about my body was made for me, for flimsy hygienic and religious reasons. It's much like, and possibly worse than, if my parents had decided to tattoo my chest when I was born. I'd probably be comfortable …
/r/MensRights01/04/15 10:11 PM
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I don't agree... "maternity leave" doesn't mean leaving maternity. Quite the opposite, actually. The parallel of maternity leave is paternity leave, which means taking time off work to tend to very young babies. It both cases, it is giving up work time to attend to parental responsibilities. LPS is about giving up paternal rights and responsibilities. The closest parallel is in the safe havens, abandonment, and adoption services available to women who choose to carry to term but not care for the…
/r/MensRights01/04/15 04:38 AM
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Do you think getting branded as a hate movement will help getting MRA into universities and general gender discussions? It would not help us, but we aren't a hate movement and so won't be branded as such. Look at this post. It has absolutely nothing to do with what should be the agenda for a men's rights group. There's an enormously popular sub dedicated to non-religious viewpoints. Look at what happened to the content there as it grew. Yet it's still not called a hate movement. Its members just…
/r/MensRights27/03/15 03:35 PM
0

Jews killed Christ They didn't.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 10:19 PM
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While I agree that this post in particular is mostly a circle-jerk, there is a discussion in this sub about how Feminism itself is a men's rights issue. When the dominant voice on gender politics informs policies that deny and/or exacerbate men's issues... it becomes our concern. There's enough in the FAQ and in the top posts so I won't explain it all here. Yes, a lot of this sub is venting about it. There aren't many places where it's safe to do so. Personally, I would prefer that these kinds o…
/r/MensRights26/03/15 10:14 PM
1

Almost every feminist I know isn't "like that," just as every Christian I know isn't a bible-thumping fundamentalist. This still isn't an argument for Feminism or Christianity. I can reject the ideology without thinking the worst of its followers. Religious groups do some good in the world. They help the homeless, provide comfort to people at the end of life, offer community and comforting traditions. Still, that doesn't mean the faith is right, and it can lead to well-meaning people doing a lot…
/r/MensRights26/03/15 07:18 PM
3

Again...
/r/MensRights26/03/15 03:33 PM
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The woman undercover as a man is interesting, but I'd be very careful talking about this sort of thing. Trans* issues are, as apullin said, complex, and rates of MTF vs. FTM surgery can be influenced by many factors. I say to be careful, because saying that "there's more MTF than FTM transition because being a woman is preferable" suggests that there's a choice involved. True trans* people don't choose a gender because it'd be easier. The most likely reason that I can imagine is that MTF surgery…
/r/MensRights25/03/15 07:47 PM
1

Apologies, but I've been without a computer for the last 19 hours, so I couldn't respond more quickly: So, do you think by focusing on the legal rights and social standing of men specifically is the right approach? I appreciate MRAs (anybody really) when they defend against the false claims women make about men, but I tend to get a little bothered when they seemingly focus only on men as a means to gain this equality. Equality is achieved by addressing the issues unique to every group. The MRM f…
/r/MensRights25/03/15 05:33 PM
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Is the goal equality? Or is it 'justice'? Do those words mean the same to you? MRAs would like attitudes and laws to change regarding the legal rights and social standing of men. Equality (to me at least) means that all human beings are given the same basic human rights and responsibilities. I don't know what you mean by "justice." To me, that tends to mean fair treatment before the law, in which case obviously that would fall under equality. Shouldn't we remove the concept of 'the genders' to r…
/r/MensRights24/03/15 07:52 PM
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No, we don't usually talk about our genitals. However, if my girlfriend had lifelike plastic labia sitting on her kitchen table I might call it gross. I supposed you haven't figured it out yet... I was going to spare you the condescension of explaining... My original comment wasn't calling foreskins gross. Just a disembodied plastic foreskin.
/r/MensRights23/03/15 10:21 PM
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So far so good. I suppose you think farts and poop are just beautiful too.
/r/MensRights23/03/15 10:21 PM
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Be so bold; I'm still not putting a realistic human foreskin on my coffee table. I think the anus is gross, too. And toes. And mucus. And the endometrium that's shed once a month. I think childbirth is gross, and newborn babies. Penises are gross, as are vaginas. My girlfriend farts and poops like everyone else, and I'm fine with that, but you're not going to convince me it smells like roses. The human body is full of gross things, but I wouldn't for a second suggest any of it is wrong. It's gro…
/r/MensRights23/03/15 06:19 PM
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Eww. I mean, good to raise awareness and everything... still gross.
/r/MensRights23/03/15 06:00 PM
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Surprisingly neutral article. Save yourselves the headache and don't read the comments...
/r/MensRights19/03/15 04:03 PM
2

Oookay, assuming you didn't just photoshop that... That still doesn't: 1) Explain why you can still post/comment here. 2) Demonstrate that you were banned for starting this discussion. Your questions have been answered, even as the sneaky "gotcha!"s you think they are: Have mens' rights activists set up any kind of charities or fundraisers or support groups for male victims of abuse and sexual assault? Yes. See Earl Silverman's attempts at starting shelters for battered men. See the recent CAFE …
/r/MensRights19/03/15 04:00 PM
1

I have been banned from this subreddit for starting this discussion. Bullshit.
/r/MensRights19/03/15 03:37 AM
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The author completely messed up the definitions of "misogyny" and "misandry," as most feminists tend to... The "mis-" means "hatred." Both are hatred of a gender. Not the belief that one is better than the other (that's chauvinism). And MRAs are not chauvinists, either.
/r/MensRights19/03/15 03:36 AM
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I think we agree. I guess my point is more on the motivational side and less on the financial. I'm not opposed to the idea of offering scholarships to encourage women to go into STEM (as long as they're privately funded...). My issue is with the expectation that it's going to be harder for women, and the assumption that a field that is predominantly male is necessarily sexist. Recently, there have been recently-accepted grad students visiting my department (students who have been offered a posit…
/r/MensRights19/03/15 12:20 AM
2

Why should they have to justify their association to him or anyone else? Nobody said that. They're saying cake has no nutritional value, not that you shouldn't be allowed to eat it.
/r/MensRights18/03/15 09:13 PM
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For STEM, how about just encouraging young girls to take interest and not insist that the STEM fields are viper pits of misogyny?
/r/MensRights18/03/15 08:34 PM
2

Where did he do that?
/r/MensRights18/03/15 08:28 PM
2

Oh wow, she put something else out that's almost as bad as her first.
/r/MensRights18/03/15 04:49 PM
2

There is no way to equalize disposabiity, so there is no case for equal rights. Why not?
/r/MensRights18/03/15 05:29 AM
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...Hold your hats, folks, I'm about to try to remember my history class from sophomore year of college... This is actually a pretty old sentiment. When Noah Webster first published his dictionary of American English it somewhat controversial because of the issue of states vs. federal authority. Jeffersonian Democrats opposed it, considering it elitist to standardize spellings and pronunciations, and thinking a dictionary would represent a centralized authority over language that went contrary to…
/r/MensRights18/03/15 12:54 AM
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Even though discrimination against women is thought to have decreased over the past six decades in the United States, instances of sexism are not difficult to find, say the authors. If I set out to find something, I will find it.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 08:02 PM
6

"I'm a woman who hates men, and.... wait! Where are you going?"
/r/MensRights16/03/15 02:35 AM
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Are you talking about Rebecca Watson and Elevatorgate? What actually happened: She and this guy were hanging out in a bar until 4AM at a skeptic conference. They're sharing an elevator back at the hotel. He says, "I think you're a really interesting person. Would you like to come back to my room for some coffee?" (Obviously it was a sexual advance). The important distinction is that this wasn't an out-of-the-blue comment from some guy in an elevator. She'd spent the entire night hanging out with…
/r/MensRights15/03/15 09:37 PM
1

Then there'd be a lot more rape. I'm sure people men finding menstrual blood disgusting has everything to do with it being womanly and nothing to do with it being a bodily discharge. We all know men don't find feces, mucus, pus, or urine disgusting too..
/r/MensRights14/03/15 08:32 PM
1

"Using the logic of the panel, to find justice, he needed to consume enough of the date-rape drug to both show and remember showing obvious symptoms of incapacitation,” Byron said, adding, “So no blacking out allowed.” ...... blacking out... is a sign of incapacitation. You absolute .... YOU ARE A SENIOR AT AN IVY LEAGUE UNIVERSITY. The allegedly drugged students were with people who testified that they showed serious symptoms of intoxication. This testimony was taken into account! But if you th…
/r/MensRights14/03/15 07:04 PM
4

Since it's just a single character wildcard, it should be wom?n. "Wom*n" would allow anything between the m and n -- e.g., Womabababababababababan.
/r/MensRights13/03/15 10:24 PM
1

A lot of it is just venting. Please understand, for many of us this is the only place we can share these views without risking ostracism, or at the very least some very unpleasant arguments. It would be nice if there were less circlejerk. There's r/mensrants that's (supposed to be) for that. Still, this is the most popular sub for men's rights and you're going to see a lot of that. It's easy to post, and fun to read.
/r/MensRights13/03/15 04:00 AM
28

Probably a high school.
/r/MensRights12/03/15 07:25 PM
8

Really? I didn't know they let non-humans vote in the 50s.
/r/MensRights12/03/15 06:45 PM
4

Yeah, I get that. There were fewer opportunities, less freedom, etc. One could make a case that men were in a similar boat, but at least in the 50s I'd agree it was clearly worse for women. It just bugs me when people refer to this as having "very little rights."
/r/MensRights12/03/15 04:42 PM
8

The amount you people go on about a shut case makes it seem you wish more women were killed. Shut by a hashtag, when the court of public opinion decided that it was patriarchy that killed those two women, manifest in the men's rights movement. Really, what do you expect? Our movement is blamed for a massacre committed by one psychopath -- who truly had no connections with us -- and you decide "Ugh! It's a shut case! Get over it!" I heard the same from someone when I explained to him that my peop…
/r/MensRights12/03/15 04:13 PM
6

A theory I share with many others that doesn't involve belittling/demonizing half the population: Elliot Rodger hated women, yes. He hated most people. But this was because he based his entire self-worth on what women thought of him. This is the training society instils in men -- your worth depends on how much women like you. This clashed with his narcissism -- "I'm perfect, which means women should love me, because that would confirm my perfection. But they don't, so there must be something wro…
/r/MensRights12/03/15 04:04 PM
13

Which rights did men have that women didn't in the 1950s?
/r/MensRights12/03/15 03:56 PM
1

FuckAllSJWs could use this advice, I mean. Sorry, I should have specified.
/r/MensRights12/03/15 12:44 PM
15

More welcoming to those lesbians who that enjoying using terms like liek 'we banged and nice tits." 100%. The author mistakes vulgarity for misogyny. It's a throwback to the fainting couch, I swear...
/r/MensRights12/03/15 06:35 AM
1

If anyone shares this as evidence of an agenda, it'll be called either satire or a troll. It very likely is a troll.
/r/MensRights12/03/15 05:45 AM
16

I have met many gay men in my life, and dated some. I have seen gay men who are very comfortable around women, and around whom women were comfortable. I even knew one gay man who I only ever saw hook up with women (yes, I swear he was actually gay...) But I have never, in 6 years of university and city life, seen a gay man leer at a woman, slap her ass and say "lookin' good." The author implies the classic homophobic assumption that gay and bisexual men are promiscuous and/or "faking it" to get …
/r/MensRights12/03/15 05:41 AM
1

Graham765's advice applies here too, I think.
/r/MensRights12/03/15 03:02 AM
1

You know... I seem to recall something about a bowl of M&Ms...
/r/MensRights12/03/15 03:01 AM
4

So when his wife beats him with a golf club...
/r/MensRights12/03/15 12:10 AM
5

Your movement comes up with a dozen "man___ing" terms, as well as the concept of "___-shaming", and you're shocked when someone puts the two together? What else could you call it when you invent gendered terms to shame a certain behavior?
/r/MensRights11/03/15 04:48 PM
2

Exactly
/r/MensRights10/03/15 02:11 AM
11

Information and support is also available for men who have experienced family and domestic violence (the next line). "You know, just in case... ah heck, nobody's going to call about that." /s
/r/MensRights10/03/15 12:11 AM
1

Dem scare quotes...
/r/MensRights09/03/15 11:09 PM
1

Does it? I thought it just made it so web crawlers can't track from your link to the target page. This is to prevent the target from rising in search engine results.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 06:22 AM
2

rec hz?
/r/MensRights09/03/15 06:16 AM
1

Sure, again, you can get all offended over anything you want. Still don't see why. What does it accomplish? Is there any need for the feeling of "offended"? Is there any need for the feeling of "anger"? Is there any need for the feeling of "sadness"? "Offense" could be called a form of anger. You can't help how you feel about things, but you can control what you do with that feeling. I don't think the idea of "offended" or "offensive" things should even exist. Like I said, I see no reason for it…
/r/MensRights09/03/15 03:15 AM
2

True, but then you don't see them then wearing misogyny t-shirts.
/r/MensRights08/03/15 11:15 PM
1

That...makes sense, sure. Clears things up. Though I still don't see how this is exactly the same as the growing trend you talk about. This? This bracelet? For all you know, it could have an entirely different meaning to the women wearing it. You're just assuming it's part of this trend of male hatred...or something. That's the trend you're talking about, right? Whatever. It's not proof, but it's a damned good hint. Maybe "misandry" to her means she loves potato salad... Far more likely, though,…
/r/MensRights08/03/15 11:02 PM
2

I don't understand your response.... are you saying the information is back up?
/r/MensRights08/03/15 09:38 PM
2

Who the hell is they? Who the hell is joking about the stereotype of feminist as man hating? Who says it isn't real to them? Who the hell are we even talking about? Did I miss something? Or are we really supporting generalization over a single women? This is them. Where do I get the idea that misandry isn't real to "them"? Because that's the only way ironic misandry can be funny. A shirt that says "KILLALLFAGS" wouldn't be funny because everyone knows that LGBT people are an oppressed group, and…
/r/MensRights08/03/15 09:37 PM
-5

Is there any hard evidence of this? Has anyone asked NOW why they did it? I wouldn't put it past them, but this reads a little too tin-foil hat to me... EDIT: To those downvoting -- I'm not saying that NOW didn't do this, but isn't it worth being a little skeptical from time to time? NOW is an enormous institution with a lot of power. It seems strange to me that they would find AVFM, which most feminists consider a "fringe hate group", to be such a credible threat. I want to see the proof that t…
/r/MensRights08/03/15 07:26 PM
132

They think they're being funny, joking about the stereotype of feminists as man- hating. It's funny to them because misandry isn't real to them.
/r/MensRights08/03/15 04:15 AM
10

There are nine comments and the post has one point... you're really blowing this out of proportion.
/r/MensRights05/03/15 11:53 PM
29

I don't see the problem with this. Someone bragged about a crime, a TwoX user pointed this out. Sure, it's female privilege in action, but it's pretty good of TwoX to condemn it. It'd be a different story if this had been heavily upvoted, but it wasn't.
/r/MensRights05/03/15 08:25 PM
1

At least for students, it's because they want to attract business from people without much spare cash.
/r/MensRights05/03/15 04:34 PM
2

I meant this as a reply to the title, asking "how many are just crazy and anti-woman?" I'm not saying they speak for all of us or are even a representative sample. But coming here asking "what percentage of you are misogynists?" implies that you think woman-hating is a significant part of what we do. Showing that some of our most active and respected activists are women challenges this assumption. I agree that it's better to get a sense of the general population, which is why I've upvoted this a…
/r/MensRights05/03/15 03:45 PM
52

Dead men can't build walls for you to vandalize.
/r/MensRights04/03/15 11:09 PM
6

Feelings are mixed. Some see it as a satire of 3rd wave feminism; others see it as a harmful distraction from the actual MRM.
/r/MensRights04/03/15 09:25 PM
4

Yep
/r/MensRights04/03/15 09:11 PM
4

Maybe you should ask the honey badgers.
/r/MensRights04/03/15 09:07 PM
11

You're coming from a bias already: GREETINGS MEN. 1) Many of us are female. Why makes you anti-feminist? 2) Many of us are not anti-feminists. Most of us here, though, are non-feminist. This may seem like a nitpicking difference, so let me explain. It's rather like the difference between an antitheist and an atheist: One actively opposes an ideology, the other merely doesn't adopt it. That out of the way: I'm a graduate student in physics in the northeastern US. I did my undergrad in upstate New…
/r/MensRights04/03/15 05:26 PM
3

Agreed, just thought I'd mention. No survey is perfect. At least this method isn't susceptible to brigading.
/r/MensRights04/03/15 03:42 AM
3

I showed this to a rapist I know and she said this was bad advice and wouldn't follow it. It didn't address her particular tendency to raping men.
/r/MensRights04/03/15 01:37 AM
2

Economic Left/Right: -4.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28 Some of these questions are problematic, and the survey could benefit from a "Neither agree nor disagree" option.
/r/MensRights04/03/15 12:45 AM
5

So?
/r/MensRights03/03/15 04:33 AM
1

I don't talk about MRM issues except with my self-identified feminist girlfriend, and only occasionally, and without the MRA label. I say self-identified because, though she uses the term and holds to some of the ideas, I would consider her more of an egalitarian and WRA. These kinds of things don't come up in my everyday life, and I'd rather avoid being that ideological hyper-sensitive who has to make everything into social issues. If the subject comes up, I won't lie about my opinions, but I t…
/r/MensRights02/03/15 04:20 AM
0

Nobody "loves" taxes. Some just recognize their necessity.
/r/MensRights01/03/15 06:39 PM
1

Well obviously he's abusive! /s
/r/MensRights28/02/15 05:27 AM
5

#JuniorAntiSexLeague
/r/MensRights26/02/15 04:36 AM
0

Ugh. A friend of mine just shared that crap on FB...
/r/MensRights26/02/15 04:25 AM
7

So I vandalized his property and drugged him. Grrl power!
/r/MensRights24/02/15 03:49 AM
2

The star of a film exploring the experience of growing up a male, and the complex relationships between boys and their fathers, deservedly wins an academy award for her work. She then uses this as an excuse to talk about women. Not in the context of domestic violence (as explored in the film), not about the role of mothers (also shown in the film),.... but on the fictitious wage gap, an issue not only false but completely irrelevant to her.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 03:48 AM
2

I think COTWA is just a blog. A good one, but not one that requires tremendous financial support.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 03:42 AM
1

Will somebody please tell me how something this demeaning could be considered feminism? How indeed...
/r/MensRights22/02/15 05:26 PM
47

“Have you ever heard that thing, men are afraid that women will laugh at them and women are afraid that men will kill them?” she replied. “So. Yeah.” Jeez... Yes, I have heard that coprolite before. My blanket response is, "And why are you afraid that a man sitting quietly by himself and paying you no mind... will kill you?" So. Yeah.
/r/MensRights21/02/15 10:12 PM
2

No more witch hunts. Know more justice. No more drumhead trials. No more he said/she said. No more ignored victims. Know more help is available. No more
/r/MensRights20/02/15 05:58 AM
10

An anti-feminist juggernaut... sold to and consumed by women. It's just smut, and bad writing.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 03:31 AM
3

Of course! Which is easier to do when we calmly and rationally explain why we reject the feminist label.
/r/MensRights17/02/15 10:10 PM
1

Agreed. I could have worded that better.
/r/MensRights17/02/15 04:04 PM
2

what they see as gender equality. In other words, not what u/Zachariahmandosa sees as gender equality but what feminists see as gender equality. You're asking him to defend a view he doesn't hold.
/r/MensRights17/02/15 03:40 PM
2

The important distinction here is between feminists and feminism. A person calling himself a feminist, confusingly, doesn't mean he necessarily agrees with feminist ideology. Many simply think it means the same as "egalitarian" -- one who believes in legal and social gender equality. If I understand you correctly, all you're saying is that we shouldn't reject people simply because they call themselves feminists. Demonspawn is giving you the same arguments we usually give to concern trolls becaus…
/r/MensRights17/02/15 03:38 PM
4

That's why we need to engage feminists one on one, in a peaceable manner that doesn't lead them to believe the nonsense rhetoric usually spouted about MRAs. We do. I've been involved with this sub for about a year, and I can't tell you how many times I've seen posts with subjects like "I'm a feminist.. and I have a few questions." They're treated with suspicion, certainly, because we do often get trolls who post some propaganda from a throwaway. But when we do get a genuinely interested person, …
/r/MensRights17/02/15 04:57 AM
2

The women's rights movement, and feminism in its early forms, have done a lot of good. The WRM achieved legal equality for women, and supported the rights of oppressed groups. Early feminism at the very least got people to question traditional gender roles, and examine gender and sexual identities. I say this without endorsing the conclusions of that ideology. Alchemy may have gotten people thinking about how materials interact, but it was certainly wrong in its conclusions.
/r/MensRights17/02/15 04:14 AM
11

I encourage you to share this message in any of the feminist subs, or (if you're feeling especially daring) on tumblr. Then compare the response you get in those arenas to the way feminist commenters are treated here.
/r/MensRights17/02/15 04:09 AM
4

Sure, it's funny, but it doesn't do us any favors in the long run.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 01:39 AM
50

Hear hear. I get that it's making fun of the Feminism fad, but Feminists won't see it that way. They'll see a ridiculous backlash to their oh-so-serious activism. The very word -- "meninism" -- is nonsense, and it'll become too easy for the actual MRM to be mistaken for this parody.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 12:22 AM
3

I didn't say that.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 05:33 PM
3

Innocent people in jail speaks to a failure of the justice system. However, wrongful-conviction rates are very hard to assess. The best you can do is point to the erosion of due process rights in college cases, and attempts at the same in actual legal systems. See the blog "Community of the Wrongly Accused" for more. There's also the 23 Harvard law professors who released a statement on this back in October. "So you're saying that's more important than the huge amount of women out there that hav…
/r/MensRights11/02/15 06:24 AM
145

... is like saying there ought to be straight pride parades because LGBTQ+ have... Because, you know, "ladies night" at the clubs is all about empowering women...
/r/MensRights11/02/15 05:19 AM
3

Well, I've rarely seen an MRA or other non-feminist use the phrase "not all men." I've only seen it used to mock people when they're arguing with a feminist talking point. As far as arguments go, it's pretty weak. As a simple example, A: Black men are rapists. B: Not all black men are rapists! A: That doesn't matter. Some are. Therefore we need to be afraid of all black men. The problem with the original claim wasn't so much that A said all black men are rapists, just that "rapist" is an attribu…
/r/MensRights10/02/15 06:02 AM
1

What about it?
/r/MensRights10/02/15 05:15 AM
2

It is yet another example of men being shown in a negative light. It's subtle, yet pervasive. Men are almost always presented as the ones doing something that needs correcting. I agree. This is a very serious problem affecting how men are perceived. I would really like to see examples of the gender-reversed version of this poster, and not as a "see? women can be abusive too!" (implying that male violence is the norm...) but to say, "men aren't abusive. People are." But I maintain that this poste…
/r/MensRights07/02/15 12:55 AM
-1

I agree with you, it's just that... this post is just one poster. By itself, there's nothing wrong with this, and it's nothing to get outraged over.
/r/MensRights07/02/15 12:49 AM
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I know, but you seemed to agree with him.
/r/MensRights06/02/15 07:48 PM
6

You're right. There is a lack of the gender-reversal in these campaigns. Gender-reversed posters do exist, though. Often when there's a gender-reversed version, there is a massive feminist backlash. If that's the point you want to make, then make a post about this backlash. But it's pointless to get upset because a poster shows things a certain way. It doesn't say "Only men do this," nor does it say "Men, shape up!" or any of the similar crap we hear. It just demonstrates a particular instance, …
/r/MensRights06/02/15 06:48 PM
33

Not sexist. There are abusive husbands out there. Of course it'd be nice to see campaigns with genders reversed as well, but I see nothing inherently wrong with this.
/r/MensRights06/02/15 05:31 PM
9

Men are the dominant culture and therefore [they] are the ones making the generalizations. There's one statement about men that I'm tired of hearing from women.
/r/MensRights06/02/15 01:29 AM
6

You must be new here... so welcome. I've heard the dictionary argument dozens of times, as I'm sure most here have. Dictionaries report common usage. The term "Feminism" has become synonymous with "Women's Rights" in common speech, so the dictionary reflects that. If, in your mind, my saying "I support women's rights" means "I support feminism," then that would make me a feminist. Through more common English convention, though, "feminist" more precisely means "one who practices Feminism," while …
/r/MensRights05/02/15 04:54 PM
5

Ah, well, I agree with you there. Unfortunately, they are feminists.
/r/MensRights05/02/15 01:14 AM
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I think you'll find that we're all ardent supporters of women's rights. There's a big difference between that and Feminism.
/r/MensRights05/02/15 01:12 AM
4

How so?
/r/MensRights05/02/15 12:56 AM
2

Truth is whatever's presented with the most creativity. Courts should be replaced with art studios; lawyers with slam poets. Evidence will be presented via pictures of people holding sheets of paper bearing short phrases with hashtags. If a statistic is to be used, it must be stripped of all context or interpretation and then condensed into a three syllable slogan.
/r/MensRights04/02/15 11:57 PM
6

Carrying your mattress around is evidence!!
/r/MensRights04/02/15 11:49 PM
2

#QuestionsForWomen - When you observe trends in crime victimization, homelessness, mortality, and education that indicate your gender is suffering disproportionately, and attempt to address these issues, do you get told that you're an ignorant privileged traditionalist bigot and to shut the fuck up?
/r/MensRights04/02/15 07:03 AM
2

"#questionsformen when you achieve something great, do you expect the female reporter to say, 'give us a twirl, who are you wearing?'" This happens mainly to celebrities on the red carpet, because what they're wearing is part of the show. The men are also judged on their clothes, but perhaps less so. A female scientist who makes a huge discovery, or a politician, or an activist... someone who actually does something other than entertain, will not hear this.
/r/MensRights04/02/15 07:00 AM
1

This is either sarcastic or really, really wrong. This is not how to sell men's rights, to anyone.
/r/MensRights04/02/15 02:50 AM
2

I suspect that if you're a man, arguing with them will only further reinforce their beliefs. Here's what I expect of this, based on the description: They will pay lip service to the problems men face, explaining that they're all due to men being "unable to express themselves because patriarchal norms tell them not to," or some shit, and then explain how encouraging men to open up will fix their problems [see: HeForShe campaign]. If you try to bring up real issues -- issues with numbers to back t…
/r/MensRights04/02/15 12:54 AM
1

Wrong sub.
/r/MensRights02/02/15 01:09 PM
-4

I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt, here. It's possible that they meant, "Pardon me for being on the phone. It's a boy, congratulations." Unclear, but I'll assume bad writing before obnoxious misandry. Then again, wouldn't put it past Sarah Silverman...
/r/MensRights02/02/15 03:52 AM
2

Okay... that's like saying painters are liars because the oil on canvas is not actually a flowerpot.
/r/MensRights01/02/15 09:34 PM
2

Such... * wipes tear *.... Such courage. Brave, brave woman, holding her head high beside that uncultured brute...
/r/MensRights01/02/15 06:31 PM
4

Being called a rape apologist because I didn't "listen and believe" and join the witch hunts against Woody Allen.
/r/MensRights01/02/15 06:23 PM
115

Share if you think it's time to stop criminalizing women and survivors. Because... they're in jail for being a DV survivor? What?
/r/MensRights31/01/15 06:48 PM
3

Spreading your legs on public transport is called "manspreading" in popular culture. I don't know where the term was first coined, but it rose to prominence through several viral blogs and videos of feminists documenting the "phenomenon." That's why it's being applied here, and that's what I object to. It annoys me too when people take up too much space on public transport. The sudden awareness of it is why the MTA is addressing it. Thankfully, they're trying to address it without only targeting…
/r/MensRights30/01/15 01:48 AM
6

Ah, see that's better. I guess there was enough of a backlash. I'll continue to take issue with the terms, "man___ing", for the reasons I've discussed, but at least the MTA is trying to be fair about it.
/r/MensRights30/01/15 01:19 AM
5

It's not that it "hurts my feelings." I'm just sick of this kind of sexist bullshit being taken seriously. As the countless examples in this thread and every other thread on this topic show, the term is discriminatory. I've heard arguments that it's due to differences in hip structure and genitals. I've made arguments, like yours, that it's due to differences in social expectations. The reasons for it are irrelevant. What matters is that there is now a popular trend of terms like this being used…
/r/MensRights30/01/15 12:25 AM
3

We could sit here and invent a dozen equally sexist terms for obnoxious things women do. The point is to show how terms like "manspreading" are sexist. It points out the double standard that an obnoxious behavior for a man is tied to his masculinity, while obnoxious behaviors in women are ignored.
/r/MensRights29/01/15 11:43 PM
11

I have a new term. "Femstrolling." It's where women walk very slowly, often in groups, along sidewalks and in hallways. Too often I find myself stuck behind a lazily strolling group of women. Better yet, they'll often sneak little nervous glances back. One time I had a woman actually turn around and confront me. "Why are you following me?" Oh you could make some argument that women on average have shorter legs, which means walking a little more slowly... but that's obviously not it. It's because…
/r/MensRights29/01/15 06:07 PM
3

I'm with you. He's joking about the stereotype, and the irrational fear so many women hold.
/r/MensRights29/01/15 12:43 PM
5

you're essentially shouting into an echo chamber. We're shouting into a room of like-minded people, for sure, but also sharing ideas and rhetoric. We share arguments and evidence to better equip ourselves for debate outside of this forum. For that matter, I know my mind has shifted on many issues since I first came here. Discussion is good, and this forum is diverse enough to allow everyone to grow from it.
/r/MensRights29/01/15 01:23 AM
11

"What masculinity means to men," by some lady.
/r/MensRights28/01/15 08:58 PM
3

Someone better threaten him so he gets the necessary funding.
/r/MensRights28/01/15 02:40 AM
5

It popped up three times on Facebook for me.
/r/MensRights28/01/15 02:36 AM
2

Kinda like this one. I've had a few feminist Facebook friends share these. And they wonder why men aren't so comfortable with Feminism...
/r/MensRights27/01/15 09:13 PM
4

"We won't ban people for their personal opinions. Only for their actions." "UGH! I shoulda known you'd tolerate racists!!!"
/r/MensRights27/01/15 08:43 PM
3

I am not insulted by this kind of advice because I recognize that it is not painting men as rapists. It is saying, "There are dangerous people in the world, and while we're going to do our best to keep them away from you there are a few things you can do to insure you are safer from them." Boys are taught from the earliest age that it is wrong to touch another person without his or her permission. Further, they're taught that while it is okay to rough-house a little with the other boys, under no…
/r/MensRights27/01/15 05:28 PM
11

One dies in the nice hospital in his eighties. The other dies of starvation in a cold alley in his forties.
/r/MensRights27/01/15 05:01 PM
10

Kingdom???!!
/r/MensRights27/01/15 04:53 PM
4

I don't agree with their anti-abortion stance (the ones guarding the church), but I admire their nonviolence. As Gandhi and Dr. King understood, it's much better for your cause to take the abuse and not retaliate. As this video demonstrated, one person hitting another makes the aggressor look bad, regardless of gender.
/r/MensRights27/01/15 01:15 AM
6

Don't pretend men are innocent. Oh, but they're men, right? They must be guilty of something!
/r/MensRights26/01/15 09:16 PM
1

I don't blame men. I think the same bias can affect anyone. I just wanted to point out that research doesn't completely rule out sexism in the pay gap.
/r/MensRights25/01/15 12:47 AM
-1

Thanks
/r/MensRights24/01/15 03:27 AM
2

Eliminating other factors can get varying results, anywhere from 88, 97, 108, cents a woman makes v. a man. Exactly.
/r/MensRights24/01/15 03:16 AM
2

Eh.... not really. I've heard compelling evidence from both sides. There are prominent economists who argue both ways. The most common claims about it are bullshit, though. The question is what you are claiming. Obviously, the statement "Women are paid 73¢ for every dollar a man makes for the same work" is false. However, some fraction of the pay gap may be due to discrimination. There is real evidence of biases in many professions. From my own reading of the issue, I think that whatever pay gap…
/r/MensRights24/01/15 03:12 AM
3

Title: correct. This is the men's rights movement.
/r/MensRights23/01/15 11:01 PM
1

In theory, it's a reasonable description for someone who isn't socially disadvantaged. In practice, it's the modern-day original sin. You hear people confess their privileges before speaking or writing on any social issue. On blogs, in debates or discussions -- If you need an example, check out the Q&A of Dr. Janice Fiamengo's talk at U Toronto. Every male who approached that mic made a "privilege check" before he could speak. I don't deny the value of perspective. It's good to be aware of your …
/r/MensRights22/01/15 09:03 PM
2

It's satirizing feminism. The problem is that nobody will believe it's satire.
/r/MensRights22/01/15 05:44 PM
9

Personally, I don't like the term "privilege" as a descriptor. It takes the focus off of those who need support and puts shame on those who don't. Why is Wikipedia focusing so much on what we, as a group, may not believe in? We have a core set of goals, and a variety of beliefs about the world, but we're not an ideology. Wikipedia should report on our causes, our organizations, and our activism, not speculations.
/r/MensRights22/01/15 02:59 AM
5

Most of those in congress have been around for decades. That's about wealth and being grandfathered in, not gender. Not to mention they're voted in by an electorate that's majority female, and they answer to lobbyists representing businesses who cater to women (since women do the overwhelming majority of consumer spending). In other words, Beyoncé is right. Girls run this mother*. So why do we keep hearing how "men have all the power?"
/r/MensRights22/01/15 01:59 AM
3

This isn't "Meninism," first off. And there was a thread on this exact question a couple days ago.
/r/MensRights21/01/15 11:41 PM
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There's also a reverse correlation here. As circumcision rates have dropped, autism rates have grown. Of course, that doesn't prove anything, but it certainly doesn't support their result.
/r/MensRights21/01/15 01:12 PM
3

We'll have to take post_teenager's word then, and s/he doesn't provide the "LGBT-positive content" that got them banned.
/r/MensRights21/01/15 03:45 AM
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Short answer: Yes. Long answer: We're people with a variety of political views. The unifying view for us is that we're concerned with the human rights of men. The discussion here is focused on discrimination on the basis of masculinity -- discrimination for being a man. LGBT men face this as well, as do men of color. They may face additional challenges in life because of those attributes, but our focus here is on the challenges they face for being men. That doesn't mean we don't care about the h…
/r/MensRights21/01/15 03:42 AM
2

You can't make satire of feminism. Nobody will believe it's satire when they think that Feminism is the last safe space in a world that hates women. Look what happened when Paul Elam satirized a Jezebel article... they're still going on about that. It's embarrassing because people think that the satire is the men's rights movement.
/r/MensRights19/01/15 11:59 PM
1

While I want to agree that anything that draws attention to the MRM is potentially good, there's already enough confusion out there. We're routinely lumped in with PUAs and TRP. Meninism is a joke, but it makes the rest of us look like a joke. Unfortunately, mocking men who stand up for their human rights is perfectly acceptable. Feminists who mock "meninism" don't lose moral standing in the public eye.
/r/MensRights19/01/15 07:26 PM
2

This "meninism" crap is an embarrassment to the men's rights movement.
/r/MensRights19/01/15 04:57 PM
2

I was floored by this movie. The way it was made -- using the same actors over the course of their natural childhood -- was enough of a reason to go see it. The actual story, though, hit home perfectly. Sure, it didn't really break with traditional roles the way some might hope. For example, the ex-husband was the irresponsible (at first) "fun" dad, the abusive one was another male. But it's important to remember that these people do exist. More to the point, though, every character grew over ti…
/r/MensRights19/01/15 04:07 PM
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Do you really think this is the first we've heard this argument? I was a feminist until I "did alitle research." I've never met a feminist who actively hated men, just as I've never met an actual misogynistic MRA. We don't sweepingly characterize Feminists as misandric: We see Feminism as misandric, dogmatic, misguided, and harmful. And some of us don't. If you want to live up to the name of the MRM then stop the constant demonization of feminism Feminism is a men's rights issue. When public pol…
/r/MensRights19/01/15 02:16 AM
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As males it's our responsibility to take the shitty job of boss, and give our women the gift of just being moms and wives No. Absolutely, categorically, definitively wrong. The men's rights movement is not about a return to traditional gender roles. It is about breaking that role for men as the women's rights movement broke women's role. We acknowledge that gender roles were necessary for the survival of our species, but restriction to them has no place in the modern world. Contrary to what you …
/r/MensRights18/01/15 07:25 PM
1

The friend zone is not real. It depends on what you mean by the term. I prefer to distinguish it from "nice guy syndrome," the Hollywood-fueled belief that being nice to a woman for long enough will convince her to fall in love with you. I prefer to think of "the friendzone" as a modern-day term for unrequited affection. It arises in situations where two people meet, have no initial romance but become close friends anyway, then one develops feelings for the other but not the other way around. No…
/r/MensRights18/01/15 07:18 PM
2

What does this have to do with men's rights?
/r/MensRights17/01/15 11:59 PM
6

Eh, there's better fanfic. See Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.
/r/MensRights16/01/15 10:39 PM
1

THERE IS A MONOLOGUE ENTIRELY ABOUT TRANSWOMEN!
/r/MensRights16/01/15 03:04 PM
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Because of course the only people who kill themselves are the ones who feel they have all the options in the world...
/r/MensRights16/01/15 01:08 AM
3

To get momentum on banning MGM, I think that's more the line we should be taking, because right now, most of the medical field isn't on our side. In America, at least.
/r/MensRights15/01/15 09:34 PM
1

"While these numbers may be staggering [...], they exist." Oh bravo, the numbers 20 and 25 exist.
/r/MensRights15/01/15 01:08 PM
3

"Alpha, beta, alpha, beta,..." Either she's lying or she got them from trp.
/r/MensRights15/01/15 01:06 PM
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Ultimately, if we want the practice to be illegal, we need to convince judges. You're right that doctors should be deciding what's harmful, and we can hope judges will listen to them.
/r/MensRights15/01/15 01:03 PM
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Can we please, as a society, go back to calling people assholes and stop pretending it's a masculine trait.
/r/MensRights15/01/15 05:41 AM
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Here's the "humor": Men have power. The penis symbolizes that power, and is also a point of great weakness. Woman takes back power by cutting it off. (You go gurl). Man tries to assert his power again by upsetting her. She takes back power again. (Will these stupid men ever learn?) Violence against women? That's demonstration of power. Violence against men? Taking it back! Remove the premise that men have power, and that any of this is at all sane, and it stops being funny.
/r/MensRights14/01/15 07:02 PM
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1: I feel the same about adult circumcision, or even adolescent circumcision (with parental consent), as I do about any other form of body modification. You want to pierce your nipples? Bifurcate your tongue? Gauge your ears? Well, you might regret it someday, but go ahead. 2: For a useful parallel, let's consider vaccines. Vaccines prevent potentially deadly illnesses from spreading through the populace, and protect your child from them. They are necessary at early ages because these diseases c…
/r/MensRights14/01/15 06:57 PM
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But it's funny because PENIS!!! Tee hee. It's like the producers snatched a bunch of middle-school girls, put them in makeup and jewellery, and stuck them around a table.
/r/MensRights14/01/15 03:44 PM
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Excellent! I'm saving these!
/r/MensRights14/01/15 12:56 PM
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Very nicely said. I would suggest finding some statements on it by other health authorities around the world, to get the international perspective on its pros/cons and demonstrate that it is not universally-accepted just because the American CDC thinks it's good. Overall, you have a nice framework, but you need some citations.
/r/MensRights14/01/15 05:35 AM
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I may have been a bit hasty, and after searching around I can't find something for my original statement. I'll have to be more specific. "Draft Dodging" generally refers to using loopholes in conscription laws to avoid service. It's "disgraceful" but not illegal. What has sometimes been a capital offense in many cultures (including the US until recently) has been military desertion -- leaving the army before your term is up, or refusing to serve. Sorry, I didn't mean to get your hopes up. My ori…
/r/MensRights13/01/15 08:56 PM
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Draft dodging has, in some cultures, been a capital offense (no source now because I'm on mobile, but i can find one if you like). The things to emphasize, though, are how the duty to serve tied in with the right of suffrage, and how men are still obligated to sign up in order to register to vote, work in government, or get a government loan. These indicate that suffrage was not simply denied to women "because oppression," and that it persists to this day as an inequality of responsibility that …
/r/MensRights13/01/15 05:07 PM
1

Be mad at the assholes making the statistics.... Okay, so folks like Mary Koss.
/r/MensRights13/01/15 05:20 AM
1

This wouldn't pass the Apple store review process. You're better off writing an Android app. iPhone apps are written in Objective C, a difficult language pretty much designed for the iPhone. Android apps, on the other hand, are simply Java. They also don't need to pass through a draconian review process to be made available. Paint it as a Feminism-positive project. That's the only way folks will download it. You'll get radfems competing for high scores.
/r/MensRights12/01/15 08:37 PM
1

moving the wrong way Like.... spreading their knees on public transport?
/r/MensRights12/01/15 04:27 PM
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Evolutionary biology is 90% bullshit science I assume you mean evo-psych. I haven't studied it extensively, but from what I can tell it seems like a valid question to ask: To what extent is human behavior influenced by our evolutionary past? It's absurd to think that it hasn't. It seems like a very difficult think to study scientifically, but that doesn't make it a completely bullshit pursuit. That being said, it doesn't mean we just accept its conclusions as "the way things are" and don't try t…
/r/MensRights11/01/15 11:12 PM
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Boys and girls are being drawn into adult dynamics without full understanding, we can’t use kids like this. Exactly the phrase I've been looking for since the FckH8 nonsense first came out.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 11:02 PM
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Stop treating all men like rapists! #manslamming If at any point the words "all" and "men" come together, you'll get the following: "OMG did u really just say #notallmen loloolol. u sum kinda misogynist MRA?" Of course, I'm just paraphrasing the response I got. Hers had more "lol" in it.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 08:19 PM
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In the mainstream, "men's rights" pretty much refers to anything remotely male-positive on the internet. If they can lump PUAs and anti-PUAs and MGTOWs in with us, they can pretty much call anyone a MRA if they want.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 06:36 AM
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If a friend approaches me and says, "I was raped," I will believe them. I will listen, and I will believe, because I know my friends are honest. If the facts don't add up, I won't interrogate. I might have doubts, but I'll continue to support my friend and allow the justice system to sort out the truth. When I hear a story, of someone I don't know, alleging rape, I suspend belief and disbelief until I have the facts of the case and others more closely involved have reached some conclusions. In t…
/r/MensRights11/01/15 06:33 AM
1

In one episode over a decade ago that nobody will remember.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 03:56 AM
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I've been in this sub longer than that... If any MRM groups had organized "fatshamingweek", wouldn't it have gotten at least one mention here?
/r/MensRights11/01/15 03:51 AM
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Lena Dunham has a thriving TV career, Jessica Valenti writes for a major broadsheet newspaper, Anita Sarkeesian gets onto Colbert and now partners with Intel, A petition isn't going to stop this trend. These businesses recognize that third-wave feminism is In, and will roll with it. You can't petition them against profits. That said... who still watches the Simpsons?
/r/MensRights11/01/15 12:15 AM
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Which ones? The ones who believe society disadvantages women while privileging men? Or the ones who believe a movement to support the human rights of men is comparable to neo-Nazism?
/r/MensRights10/01/15 10:52 PM
2

Does she provide a citation for that? Dr. Farrell is the last person I'd expect to advocate such things, and I'd bet a month's salary she's parroting a misinterpretation.
/r/MensRights10/01/15 05:21 PM
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Either way, it's an impressive split.
/r/MensRights10/01/15 12:51 AM
3

A place where white women can be safe from black male criticism.
/r/MensRights10/01/15 12:50 AM
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This is a real trend, but we have to be careful. I'd rather "get duped" by a dozen concern trolls than snub a person with genuine questions. If we're polite and respectful to anyone who comes here, people will pick up on that. "I asked my question in Men's Rights and Feminist subreddits. The feminists shot me down and banned me, but the MRAs actually talked to me." If it's clear this person isn't interested in hearing another opinion, and just wants to criticize us, that's their right. Just down…
/r/MensRights09/01/15 10:02 PM
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and then we get accused of censoring the forum. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing "I was banned from r/MensRights for..." posts in AMR, SRS, etc. The best course of action is to not engage with them. Is this a relatively new account? How does the post read? If it looks like concern trolling, just downvote it and/or comment to that effect.
/r/MensRights09/01/15 09:19 PM
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Funny how the big response I've been hearing from my feminist friends goes something like, "Hah! Men, now it's YOUR turn to deal with this! See what women have to go through?"
/r/MensRights09/01/15 05:16 PM
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Re-reading my comment, I can see how it might come across that way. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that. I support GamerGate, though I'm not a gamer myself. By my comment, I was referring to the reaction to GamerGate that I've seen. That is, my friends buying into the media interpretation of it.
/r/MensRights09/01/15 04:36 AM
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I'm in a similar boat. I have one Facebook friend, a guy I haven't seen since high school, who occasionally posts MRM material, but otherwise it's YesAllWomen, Beyonce, Gawker, Buzzfeed, Cracked... I guess because there isn't really much MRM clickbait... we can't get away with saying shit and assuming people will buy it. Unless you're up for long arguments, and have a bibliography handy, it's not worth it. I come here to vent, honestly, because I don't really have any other choice. I don't argue…
/r/MensRights09/01/15 12:35 AM
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If she wants to fight strawmen, the corn fields are thataway.
/r/MensRights07/01/15 06:54 PM
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1. Why am I expected to spend exorbitant amounts of money and time on my looks? And why do I get condemned as vain and superficial for doing so? Because it doesn't take exorbitant amounts of time or money to look halfway decent. If you are spending half your husband's paycheck on your looks, you might be just the tiniest bit vain. Nobody is making you do anything. Society expects women to look a certain way and expect men to look another way. If you want to look good, that's your business. 2. If…
/r/MensRights06/01/15 11:02 PM
5

Doctorrandomercam made a lovely animation recently based on manhood academy's call-in to the Honey Badger show.
/r/MensRights06/01/15 09:36 PM
1

Do you have a job?
/r/MensRights06/01/15 07:07 PM
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I'm with you on the "but muh testicles" bit too. I think people are latching onto this because it's a rude behavior that tends to be done by men and any defensiveness is easy to laugh at. "Tee hee, he said testicles! What, your balls need space? Huh? C'mon, dude." That's why I say: Whether it's because of genitals, hip structure, early socialization, or just plain habit... it's irrelevant. Who cares why men do it? Majority of the time, if you go to sit down next to a "manspreader" he'll bring hi…
/r/MensRights06/01/15 05:02 PM
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Whatever the reason for "manspreading," it's a non-issue. These men probably don't even realize they're doing it, and they're getting shit for it. How about a gender-neutral "Please be considerate: One seat per passenger"?
/r/MensRights06/01/15 04:29 PM
1

I had a girlfriend who used to fart around me and laugh. She made it out to be this great progressive patriarchy-smashing thing. Truth is, her bodily functions didn't bother me any more than they would coming from a man. What annoyed me was how proud and in-your-face she was about it.
/r/MensRights06/01/15 02:19 PM
1

I look forward to their campaign telling women to keep their bags off of the seats. Wait...
/r/MensRights06/01/15 03:47 AM
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Buuuuurn :)
/r/MensRights06/01/15 12:49 AM
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Lol, and THAT is exactly the attitude of a loser who is going to throw away $100,000 for nothing. LOL I got a real degree AND networked and made connections. My point is that I'm not a loser who threw away $100,000 for nothing, yet I respect and appreciate the non-STEM fields. A degree in philosophy isn't going to buy you a job, but it's not "nothing." Your pretentious attitude is exactly why STEM majors get a bad rep.
/r/MensRights06/01/15 12:47 AM
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I have a degree in astrophysics and a degree in pure mathematics.
/r/MensRights06/01/15 12:34 AM
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A degree is not your livelihood. Getting a bachelor's degree in a challenging, intellectual field is evidence that you are capable of hard intellectual work. Some majors may direct you toward a career, but the ones that don't aren't necessarily vacuous. What matters most are your internships and connections. Of course, this is the ideal. Times are changing, and too often now people think college is just job training...
/r/MensRights06/01/15 12:26 AM
3

Unrepentant?! I didn't even know!
/r/MensRights05/01/15 04:56 AM
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Never realized that I didn't support women's right to vote, or be paid equally, or have a career... I don't call myself an abolitionist. Do I also support slavery? Please! Continue telling me what my views are based on the labels I reject.
/r/MensRights05/01/15 12:38 AM
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Agreed. The rules changed when the atom was split.
/r/MensRights04/01/15 03:50 PM
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Step 1: Stop calling him a "friend."
/r/MensRights04/01/15 01:59 AM
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I've heard plenty of claims that we live in a rape culture. Catcalling, low conviction rate, and rape jokes are the most popular examples supporting this claim. I asked to see what your evidence is. I'm not an MRA, incidentally.
/r/MensRights03/01/15 08:27 PM
3

Such as?
/r/MensRights03/01/15 07:24 PM
6

Why don't men wear makeup? Because our appearance has no value.
/r/MensRights03/01/15 06:49 PM
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That may be because we don't put every social issue under the banner of men's rights. Many of us (myself included) were at the Michael Brown and Eric Garner protests, and engaged in activism against police brutality and racism. Men's rights advocate or egalitarian isn't an all-encompassing identity the way "feminist" or "christian" try to be. They are merely statements of position. I don't care about these issues because I'm an egalitarian -- I just care about them.
/r/MensRights03/01/15 02:45 PM
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People feel strongly about their hobbies, and video games have a huge following.
/r/MensRights02/01/15 06:58 PM
1

Let's be honest... The username MRAmandatory isn't going to get far there.
/r/MensRights02/01/15 12:53 PM
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They changed the definition to include male victims, but left it in a form that excludes most female perpetrators.
/r/MensRights01/01/15 05:06 PM
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Then no. Your beliefs are irrelevant to her rights, just as her beliefs are irrelevant to yours.
/r/MensRights31/12/14 09:14 PM
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Well, I want to leave a comment that isn't spam. Karen, phenomenal work, as always. It's good to see more videos from you.
/r/MensRights31/12/14 09:04 PM
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Such laws are tied into the pro-life/pro-choice debate, which I'd rather not get into here. Acting on the assumption that a fetus is a living person, drinking while pregnant could be considered negligent parenting. Without the pro-life assumption, a baby testing positive for drugs would indicate its mother is unfit for parenthood.
/r/MensRights31/12/14 09:00 PM
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Thousands of people believe a fetus is a living child, thousands disagree. It's a controversial issue, and just because I don't explicitly say "this is my opinion" doesn't mean I speak for everyone. I don't believe a fetus is a living child, and believe it to be a part of a woman's body over which she has full control. However, your right to intervene in a pregnancy doesn't change because you happen to believe one way or the other. These rights are decided by the law, which should reflect the mo…
/r/MensRights31/12/14 08:58 PM
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Actually, the government will not intervene if a mother does drugs or consumes alcohol while pregnant. It's not a good choice, but it's hers to make.
/r/MensRights31/12/14 08:32 PM
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He's talking about a father being permitted to have a vote in whether a child is brought into the world that he will be forced to provide for. In other words... a say in whether or not she terminates. See, this is the distinction. Those of us who argue for legal paternal surrender are trying to create a situation in which a father may not be forced to provide for a child. This is different from saying that a father should have a say in whether or not a woman aborts. OP's statements, as I quoted …
/r/MensRights31/12/14 08:14 PM
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I don't believe he should have any say on whether or not she terminates her pregnancy, and you are the first person I've met here to suggest otherwise. What other powers should he have? Should he determine if she gets a caesarian or does natural birth? Epidural or no drugs? Which brand of pre-natal vitamins? Is he obligated to pay for all this if it's his decision? Of course he can have an opinion, but ultimately one person has to decide on whether or not the pregnancy continues. That person sho…
/r/MensRights31/12/14 08:03 PM
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No one is talking about regulating a woman body. No one. OP is: Someone please help me understand why men have no choice in abortion? If a woman is carrying a child, isn't it technically 1/2 genetically that mans child as well? And then should have some sort of legal rights in determining the life of the child? and I'm trying to understand why people feel that Men shouldn't have equal rights or any rights for that matter in determining the life and death of his child. OP is talking about giving …
/r/MensRights31/12/14 07:37 PM
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The topic that gets discussed here is Legal Paternal Surrender (LPS), also known as "financial abortion." The idea is best summarized in terms of options and freedoms: After a pregnancy, a woman has the option to abort, or to carry to term and then put the child up for adoption. In the current system, she also has the right to sue the man who impregnated her for child support (sometimes a man she raped, a man who isn't actually the father... etc.). The man has no such choices. If the woman decid…
/r/MensRights31/12/14 07:32 PM
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Huh? Seriously, how do you get that from my post? My point was that "kick them out after their found guilty" is childishly simple and ignores the realities of the legal system. Maybe suspend them once the case goes to trial? Or better yet.... have a system of your own for determining the course of action the university takes once one of its students is accused of a horrific crime?
/r/MensRights30/12/14 01:42 PM
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The first.
/r/MensRights30/12/14 04:00 AM
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That's a good point, and a much more reasonable reply than I've been getting. Once you have a restraining order, the university can do its best to assist you in upholding it.
/r/MensRights30/12/14 12:03 AM
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For the last goddamn time.... at no point did I say a student should be expelled on an accusation. My only point was that it's not as simple as "leave it to the courts" for the university. This is why I'm arguing for better standards of evidence and due process in colleges, rather than simply having universities ignore the criminal proceedings. Precisely because I don't want universities to trash someone's reputation on an accuser's whim. The difference for me is anonymity. The identities of all…
/r/MensRights29/12/14 11:50 PM
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No, I didn't. Read carefully. Those really are your three options: Expel on accusation alone, offer some kind of adjudication, or do nothing. EDIT: If you're going to downvote this further, please show me the other options.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 11:16 PM
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If the school had proof of a policy violation they could bring them before the school's discipline committee. If they have an accusation they DO NOT have proof of a policy violation. This is EXACTLY what I've been saying! I never said a student should be expelled on an accusation. Seriously, I'm on your side here, guys!
/r/MensRights29/12/14 11:10 PM
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No. You decide, as a group responsible for the safety of your students, if there has been a violation of school policy.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 10:33 PM
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Again: I'm not saying the schools should replace the courts. But they need to decide how to handle the situation. I'd argue for a greater standard of proof, of course, but there still needs to be some kind of adjudication process for the school to make a fair decision of what action it takes. The alternatives are: 1) Suspend or expel students on an accusation alone. 2) Potentially allow violent criminals to continue working in close proximity with their victims. For another comparison: A student…
/r/MensRights29/12/14 10:29 PM
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The schools should not take punitive action against a student without proof. Of course not. That's why they need to be advised in how to fairly adjudicate.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 09:51 PM
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Was the student found guilty? If yes, then kick them out. If not, then don't. Do you have any idea how long a criminal trial takes? They could very well be done with college by the time a verdict is reached, if the case goes to trial. EDIT: Meanwhile, a student accused of rape is sitting in the row behind her accuser in chemistry class.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 09:50 PM
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I didn't mean to imply that the school should replace the police force. The same role an employer takes for employees in this situation should be taken by the school for their students. Whatever disciplinary hearing takes place doesn't have any more power than an HR committee. They do have the power to destroy reputations and ruin a student's future on the basis of an anonymous, and unfounded, accusation. Unlike a company... which can be sued for such slander.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 09:30 PM
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I agree. Perhaps I should edit my original comment... I don't mean to say that schools should replace the judicial system. Only that schools have certain decisions they need to make for themselves. Forwarding to police is not a decision, it's an obligation. What you do with the students involved -- separate housing or classes, suspensions, etc. -- is up to the school to decide.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 09:27 PM
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It is, and I agree that that's what should be done first. But they still have to decide, "Do we allow these students to continue taking classes? Attending school-sponsored events? Staying in university housing?" They have to decide that for themselves, and that requires some kind of internal process. So, schools obviously should not be attempting to replace the justice system, but they have decisions they need to make for themselves.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 09:25 PM
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The thing is... schools have do have to take some action. They're contractually obliged to keep a safe environment for students.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 07:34 PM
2

She's not especially radical. She's against circumcision, for one thing. Other than that she's not all that original. You can decide for yourself from her "why i'm a feminist" video, if you can stomach her adorkable shtick.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 07:31 PM
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She calls herself The Factual Feminist. Here's a bit on why.
/r/MensRights27/12/14 07:40 PM
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Misandrist, of course! Because the torture party is also the WarOnWomenⓇ party, and we have to protect the womens.
/r/MensRights27/12/14 07:37 PM
1

Did anyone actually read my original comment? Yes, that is what the phrase "teach men not to rape" implies. Some feminists actually believe that too. But when you talk to moderate feminists who believe it, as I have, they don't see it that way. They see it as meaning what I put -- "teach men not to rape" = "teach men about consent." I wasn't defending the phrase, because (as my original comment said) it's just as bigoted. Instead of saying that men have a fundamental propensity to rape, they're …
/r/MensRights27/12/14 06:07 PM
1

Except the bits of gameplay she stages to "prove" her point.
/r/MensRights27/12/14 05:06 PM
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Thank you! I hadn't looked at the claim critically. This is a good analysis.
/r/MensRights26/12/14 09:58 PM
0

That's thought to be because people don't see female-named hurricanes as threatening.
/r/MensRights26/12/14 08:06 PM
2

Can we get a list of 2014 MRM achievements? Off the top of my head: The first ever International Conference on Men's Issues happened, despite all odds. The first ever conference on male student issues went forward. Positive recognition of men's issues in Time magazine. ...
/r/MensRights26/12/14 07:06 PM
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Wow, never knew that about FEMEN's founder. That's hilarious.
/r/MensRights26/12/14 04:15 PM
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Sure, if you want to twist my words like that. I never said men and women have the same bone structure. Sure, women have wider hips. Girls are also trained from an early age not to sit with their legs spread apart. All of these things may have an influence. What causes it is irrelevant. The people making a big deal about it do so because they know the response will be "but it's uncomfortable to sit with legs closed because balls!" and then they can laugh at the word "balls". It's a non-issue. If…
/r/MensRights25/12/14 08:44 PM
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It's important to keep in mind what is actually meant by "teach men not to rape." the intention is to "teach men the meaning of consent," not "men are criminals by default." I disagree with either intended meaning, of course. Rape is not a crime of misunderstanding. If you truly believe that men are, as a rule, stupid enough to need to be taught that an unconscious woman isn't an invitation, then you are a bigot. However, it's important to assume the most benign and reasonable form of an opponen…
/r/MensRights25/12/14 07:21 PM
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(Also a leftist) They think they're standing up for the voiceless.
/r/MensRights25/12/14 06:26 PM
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"Manspreading" has very little to do with testicles, and virtually everything to do with the differences between male and female skeletal structure. Women's hips are somewhat U-shaped with the sockets being farther to either side of the pelvis, while men's are more V-shaped with the sockets being closer to the inside. This causes the natural resting position for men's legs to be splayed out to a greater degree than women's who can more comfortably rest parallel. Possibly, but I'm more inclined t…
/r/MensRights25/12/14 05:02 PM
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Religion has very little to do with the sexism that remains in today's society, or most of the issues that feminism addresses. I agree mostly, but i have to disagree with you here. Major world religions have served to reinforce, often to define, the gender roles. Feminism largely ignores the obligations these roles place on men, but religion certainly is a gender issue, likely because religion is tied with traditionalism.
/r/MensRights25/12/14 04:41 PM
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Spelling, grammar, and basic style. Also, change.org is meaningless.
/r/MensRights25/12/14 12:13 AM
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My original response was a bit hyperbolic. I've edited to include my source and a more accurate statement.
/r/MensRights20/12/14 02:31 PM
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When women are outnumbering men in every STEM field except physics and engineering? Yeah, it's so bloody hard. Women represent roughly 50% or more of majors in non-mathematical sciences. Ceci, et al, 2014 EDIT: My original statement was a bit over the top. I'm frustrated seeing this same narrative over and over because it tells girls who might otherwise plan to pursue STEM that it's going to be unfair to them. Rather than highlighting the accomplishments of female scientists, and the progress th…
/r/MensRights19/12/14 08:18 PM
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A friend of mine just shared this on Facebook. My response: "What were the top comments?" If I had to guess, "tits or gtfo" wasn't upvoted.
/r/MensRights19/12/14 08:14 PM
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However, I think it is important for us men to recognize that in terms of privilege, we do have more privileges than women. Okay. Let's play. To name a few: on average men are paid 75% more than women, Men make up 94% of workplace fatalities, on average. Do you take this as evidence of a female 'life privilege'? Working in averages doesn't say anything. The gender pay gap is much, much more complicated than to simply say "women on average ear 73¢ on the dollar, therefore women are oppressed." cu…
/r/MensRights18/12/14 11:44 PM
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http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-77-cent-exaggeration/ http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2012-08-13/don-t-blame-discrimination-for-gender-wage-gap
/r/MensRights18/12/14 09:49 PM
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There exists a gender pay gap. That doesn't mean women aren't paid the same. Think about it.
/r/MensRights18/12/14 08:08 PM
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When the majority of feminists scoff at the very idea of a men's rights movement and take offense to it? Not likely.
/r/MensRights18/12/14 04:55 PM
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Should a male statutory rape victim pay child support? A rape victim should under no circumstances be required to support the result of that rape. In a male's case, he has should have the right to legal paternal surrender. In a female's case, she has the right to abort or give up for adoption. Should this differ whether or not he gave consent? Rape means there was no consent. "Statutory" means that the victim was legally incapable of consent. Should he have access to the child? If he wants.... A…
/r/MensRights18/12/14 02:04 AM
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Please show me the misogyny in the MRM. I don't mean anti-feminism (opposition to feminist theory). I don't mean traditionalism (that exists too, though not as much as you'd think). I don't mean a few heavily downvoted sexist troll comments, or a satirical Jezebel response from Paul Elam. I don't mean MGTOW, or TRP, or the PUA community, because even if you believe that "MRA" refers to anything remotely non-feminist online, those aren't related. I mean actual cases of prominent men's rights advo…
/r/MensRights17/12/14 01:09 AM
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Hah. Wow, Girl 2 was predictable. Rattling off both Laci Green and Jackson Katz. Katz is not an example of someone advocating on behalf of men's issues. He is, like every other damn male feminist, playing up the "hey bros, we gotta get our shit togedda" angle on the traditional view of "we need to protect our delicate women from our vulgar, violent brethren." His talk is simplistic, traditionalist, condescending, and frankly idiotic. "Violence against women" is a thing. "Violence against men" is…
/r/MensRights15/12/14 09:37 PM
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Are you sure you know what "derailing" means? He answered your question, "what are the issues we care about?" by pointing you to a list of them.
/r/MensRights15/12/14 06:16 AM
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These were actually kinda funny. Sexist, for sure, but I'm not about to police anyone's sense of humor. However, I only got as far as the dude with the dress shirt and gym shorts. That made me rage-quit. Not because it was included, but... come on, dress shirt + tie + gym shorts?!
/r/MensRights14/12/14 03:53 PM
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There should be a challenge to songwriters... find the most obscure topic, one nobody can relate with, and get a song about it in the top 40.
/r/MensRights14/12/14 03:52 AM
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I guess the last link is that public opinion influences funding decisions? But yeah, you're right. Never noticed that before!
/r/MensRights14/12/14 01:07 AM
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Isaac Newton would stick glass rods in his eyes to poke his optic nerve, then study the colors he saw. Yeah, he was such an idiot /s.
/r/MensRights13/12/14 07:48 PM
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I believe this class PhD comic fits perfectly with this recent "discovery"
/r/MensRights13/12/14 04:13 AM
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They actually have a separate definition for sexual assault: Sexual assault is defined across a wide range of victimizations separate from rape or attempted rape. These crimes include attacks or attempted attacks usually involving unwanted sexual contact between a victim and offender. Sexual assault may or may not involve force and includes grabbing or fondling. (page 11) So, rape is sexual assault, but not all sexual assault is rape, and within the terms of the study they're distinct.
/r/MensRights12/12/14 06:21 PM
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Their 17% makes their rape definition irrelevant, since they include all forms of sexual assault in that number. Still, their focus is clearly on victims of male perpetrators, so they're going to get bigger numbers for female victims. I also disagree with their definition of rape, for the reasons you list. Their lack of numbers on men is probably a combination of such factors.
/r/MensRights12/12/14 03:02 PM
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Possibly, but the second sentence (the part I emphasized) states specifically that the offender penetrates the victim. The first sentence is ambiguous.
/r/MensRights12/12/14 01:17 PM
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It's necessary for interpreting their results, but not what I meant to do. I meant to point out that the low numbers for men could easily be explained by their definition of rape. This common definition specifically excludes most male victims of female perpetrators.
/r/MensRights12/12/14 03:47 AM
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5) 17% of the sexual assault victims are men. Under their definitions: Rape is the unlawful penetration of a person against the will of the victim, with use or threatened use of force, or attempting such an act. Rape includes psychological coercion and physical force, and forced sexual intercourse means vaginal, anal, or oral penetration by the offender. Rape also includes incidents where penetration is from a foreign object (e.g., a bottle), victimizations against males and females, and both he…
/r/MensRights12/12/14 03:14 AM
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To put this in perspective... the eastern Congo has a rape rate of about 2 in 5 women. The numbers aren't as well-established for male victims, but they're certainly up there. To claim that 1 in 5 college women are raped is to claim that your average western college campus is about half as bad as a region notorious for its rape problem. But hey, it makes a nice soundbite.
/r/MensRights10/12/14 10:44 PM
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Ah, i see. Sorry, i don't know either.
/r/MensRights10/12/14 08:26 PM
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Look up the "sunat" ritual in Malaysia, and the male circumcision rituals in South Africa and Kenya.
/r/MensRights10/12/14 08:24 PM
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It's the title of a song, which he subtitles "Take My Wife!" Last I checked, it's on YouTube.
/r/MensRights10/12/14 08:14 PM
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Satire?
/r/MensRights10/12/14 05:22 AM
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So.... it's not that Feminism is failing, it's that all social movements are failing. Not that I agree that feminism is failing. It's wildly popular and successful at its goals. I just think it's the wrong way to look at the world and is doing more harm than good.
/r/MensRights10/12/14 02:43 AM
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I think fraternities and sororities are kinda stupid, but they have every right to exist.
/r/MensRights10/12/14 02:21 AM
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Not by more recent definitions, which simply require the victim be penetrated. Not that that helps. This is why you'll see people arguing that "Feminism made it so male rape victims are legally recognized as such." True, feminist causes changed the definition from the archaic "carnal knowledge" definition to the more recent one. Recognizing male victims was a side effect of that. However, it still specifically excludes most male victims of female perpetrators. The new definition is what allows t…
/r/MensRights09/12/14 10:20 PM
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Ah, I see I didn't read them close enough the first time. 1) It's definitely sexual assault. It's only rape if there is intercourse (some kind of penetration). 2) Spousal rape is rape. 3) She was incapacitated, and thus unable to give consent. It's no less a crime if she changes her mind afterwards than if she'd given consent and then changed her mind afterwards. For the same reasons that spousal rape is still rape, the context of their relationship is irrelevant to the specific instances. 4) Sh…
/r/MensRights09/12/14 10:04 PM
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Begging the question. By asking, you imply she is a victim, with certainty. A more accurate phrasing would be, "Should we always believe the prosecution?" The answer is clearly no.
/r/MensRights09/12/14 09:09 PM
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Would you mind listing what you think puts each of these in a "gray area"?
/r/MensRights09/12/14 09:05 PM
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All of those situations are obviously rape. In each case she either explicitly denied consent or was incapacitated. Switch genders and it's still rape. Your prose is unnecessary, and irrelevant.
/r/MensRights09/12/14 08:16 PM
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I'm sorry that you've had to go through such an experience, and I sincerely hope you can find the support and healing you deserve. It's not wrong of you to be more nervous about meeting a new partner. Our experiences, good and bad, will affect how we react to others, often in ways we can't control rationally. What is admirable is that you can look past that. I might recommend looking up Wendy McElroy, if you haven't heard of her already. She's a survivor whose views are similar to many you'll fi…
/r/MensRights09/12/14 06:08 AM
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Dawkins is most surely not an anti-feminist. In The God Delusion, he credits Feminism with producing a "consciousness raising" such that people were aware of gender issues. He also points out how some elements of religion, including much of the old testament and sharia law, are deeply bigoted toward women. However, he is a very rational man and not one to be swayed by dogma. Gender politics is not his field, so he accepts the common interpretation of feminism (women were oppressed, therefore Fem…
/r/MensRights09/12/14 02:02 AM
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Maybe see if you can get a non-snapchat message from her? Whipping out a contract would certainly kill the mood, but if you're worried you could text her with "Do you have any condoms, or should I run out and get some?"
/r/MensRights08/12/14 06:33 AM
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That would be strange.
/r/MensRights08/12/14 06:04 AM
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1) Any episode of Honey Badger Radio (not a movie, but yes). 2) A conspiracy film, like JFK, about the patriarchy. A small band of rebel SJWs take to the tumblrs to uncover and destroy the network of oppressors. The problem is... they only talk about men, because they're only talking about the men in the patriarchy.
/r/MensRights08/12/14 05:33 AM
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Semi-related, but did "#notallmen" actually get promoted by the MRM? I've only ever heard "not all men" from people making fun of MRAs for saying it.
/r/MensRights08/12/14 04:58 AM
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I've said it before, and I'll say it now. No problem if they want to cast a woman as the Doctor, but if they do it had better not be because of a popular demand for it, or for some bullshit progressive-cred.
/r/MensRights06/12/14 02:40 AM
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... do the ones jumping policemen in NYC realize that toplessness is perfectly legal and hardly revolutionary there? More power to 'em, I say. Just don't be surprised when you get tons of attention for it. Of course, you don't want that...
/r/MensRights04/12/14 04:37 AM
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Thank you, these are good, but they're not relevant to your original statement that "The medical authorities from every country in Europe have come to a different conclusion." These links show that the public is largely opposed to circumcision, but don't address the opinions of medical authorities. Natural Family Online doesn't cite any sources at all. EDIT: Nevermind, I found something. It's maybe a little out of date, but it's comprehensive list.
/r/MensRights03/12/14 12:19 AM
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Do you have a reference for their stances? I'm not doubting you, just want some documentation to share with others.
/r/MensRights02/12/14 05:45 PM
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Was this it? To piggyback: There was a blog post a while ago that explained, via a story, what it's like for men to see their sex villainized day by day. This was maybe back in August, and it really hit the nail on the head, but I can't seem to find it now.
/r/MensRights02/12/14 02:04 AM
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And her methods have been repeated in recent years, most recently by the CDC. Same problems. The difference is they actually included male victims, just under the separate-but-equal category of "made to penetrate."
/r/MensRights02/12/14 01:13 AM
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I'm READING fuck-face!
/r/MensRights30/11/14 03:13 PM
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Well, I realized long ago that anyone who knows me offline and reads my comment history will instantly be able to put the two together... so I might as well consolidate what I've revealed about myself here. For starters, I don't consider myself an MRA, but that's a whole other discussion. I'm a PhD student in physics and astronomy, a loving boyfriend of a brilliant woman (for longer than I've been part of this sub, I might add), and I have a cat. I'm also a juggler. I took some time off after co…
/r/MensRights26/11/14 05:57 AM
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"Rebuilding Blackness aims to mobilize blacks as allies in racial equity and the prevention of violence against whites in order to support a positive campus climate around race." Oy. Yeah, bigotry is a-okay as long as it's against an "oppressive" group. /s (Also, respectfully: The director is a transgender person who was born female? You refer to him as him. He lives his life as a man. Whether or not you personally believe that, you should respect his identity.)
/r/MensRights25/11/14 10:50 PM
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: Nobody is ever "just sayin'" anything. "Just sayin'" means you're letting your mouth move without your brain behind it. I can "just say" futtaguttabuttamuttastuttacrab if I just want to make arbitrary mouth sounds. If you form an actual sentence, you're saying something for a reason.
/r/MensRights25/11/14 10:41 PM
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56 minutes of the same question, occasionally prefaced with the "privilege check" disclaimer. Dr. Fiamengo deserves a medal for her patience.
/r/MensRights24/11/14 08:39 PM
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When I first went to college, I wasn't just a feminist. I firmly believed women to be superior to men in every way – mentally, socially, spiritually, biologically. I was self-hating, and worshipped femininity. As time went on, I realized that men and women were equally flawed, equally good human beings. It was only after I started listening to my feminist friends and reading up on feminist theory that the whole thing seemed less and less appealing. Then I discovered the MRM, and my feelings of u…
/r/MensRights21/11/14 06:31 AM
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Ah, I gotcha. I missed the joke at first. So yeah, we're "Men's rights feminists." (MeRFs?)
/r/MensRights20/11/14 07:59 PM
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Oh my god... I just checked the dictionary and it turns out you're totally right! Okay then! Guess we'd better pack it up here. Mission accomplished.
/r/MensRights20/11/14 07:31 PM
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Share it here, then maybe on a blog?
/r/MensRights20/11/14 06:01 AM
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No need to bring right/left into it. Certainly race is enough of a factor here. The other factor might be that Clinton wasn't accused of raping half a dozen women.
/r/MensRights20/11/14 05:59 AM
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"Isn't that every day?" "No, actually it's just on November 19th."
/r/MensRights20/11/14 04:59 AM
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Back when I was in high school, I played the Foreman in a production of Twelve Angry Men. Our cast was 10 women and 3 men (12 jurors + 1 guard). We still called it Twelve Angry Men because that's the title of the play. It's what people will recognize. Further, changing the name just calls unnecessary attention to the genders of the cast.
/r/MensRights20/11/14 04:56 AM
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but this is not the first issue in our country where a bumper sticker approach has been applied to a nuanced problem Exactly!
/r/MensRights20/11/14 04:52 AM
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Well, here we are.
/r/MensRights19/11/14 07:39 PM
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It is pretty damn sexist. I'm amazed it got published.
/r/MensRights19/11/14 05:48 PM
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Gee, I wonder how this author really feels.
/r/MensRights19/11/14 05:38 AM
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Sorry, I live in new england.
/r/MensRights19/11/14 02:29 AM
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Oddly specific.
/r/MensRights19/11/14 02:06 AM
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I've explained why the MRM cares about feminism, and addressed your mistake of equating "women's rights" with "feminism." In the last six months, there have been two conferences on men's rights issues. MRM-friendly articles have made it into Time magazine and even the Huffington Post. People are starting to question the ideology they've been presented, even if they still call themselves feminists. We've mustered a lot. Right now, feminist opposition is a big issue for us. And as per my above res…
/r/MensRights18/11/14 07:53 PM
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Okay, I'm going to try to offer a more moderate opinion than DavidByron2's. You'll see a lot of anti-feminism on this sub because many in the MRM believe that Feminism – the ideology – is the wrong lens to use when examining gender relations. We do not object to groups or organizations that want to advocate for the protection of women's rights and interests. Unfortunately, many such organizations today are guided by feminist theory. Feminism is a diverse field, with many different forms, but all…
/r/MensRights18/11/14 07:36 PM
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Okay, I filled out your survey. But be careful – This sub has enemies, who will undoubtedly get a hold of this link and spam your research. As a test, after filling it out I went back to the beginning and, sure enough, I could have easily filled it out a second time. The site is not adequately secure to ensure this is filled out credibly, and will not be a trustworthy source for your Master's research.
/r/MensRights18/11/14 01:44 AM
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advocating for men's rights doesn't need to be anti women's issues The thing is, we aren't opposed to advocacy for women's issues. While I can't speak on behalf of the entire MRM, the impression I get is that anti-Feminism is a rejection of feminist theory and its consequences. The word "Feminism" has become interchangeable with "Women's rights advocacy," which is unfortunate, because they are not the same. One is a school of thought. It informs policies and guides research, and it's absolutely …
/r/MensRights17/11/14 02:19 AM
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Even feminists in the comments are trashing this.
/r/MensRights17/11/14 02:06 AM
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Loved that film. There's that moment, and there's also the moment earlier on when the mother insists "But I'm his mom!" as the reason why the son should go with her. She's completely incapable of taking care of a child, and Will Smith's character knows it, so he doesn't let her.
/r/MensRights14/11/14 07:26 PM
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"Known asshats 4chan..." Haha. I'm sure they're proud to be known as asshats.
/r/MensRights14/11/14 05:20 AM
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Across the vast and majestic gulf of time and space...the jimmies rustle softly...
/r/MensRights14/11/14 04:37 AM
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Just think... the folks who write those articles and blog posts browse places like this sub with the same reaction.
/r/MensRights14/11/14 04:13 AM
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They're having a laugh, albeit stupid one. If you comment, not only will you be a "butthurt killjoy," but you'll give them a target for their mindless anger. Don't bother. No good can come of it.
/r/MensRights14/11/14 03:02 AM
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They're scientists. It's probably the only collared shirt he had :)
/r/MensRights13/11/14 02:46 PM
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Here’s what rape culture really is: It’s the UK covering up the rapes of 1,500 girls because their rapists were South Asian and they didn’t want to look racist. It’s a US court judge forcing a minor male rape victim to pay his rapist child support for the child conceived during his abuse. It’s the constant jokes made by women on talk shows about male rape victims to the glee of their audience. It’s the constant erasure of male rape victims in prisons and juvenile detention facilities and by fema…
/r/MensRights12/11/14 06:43 AM
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That's a fair point. Sure, there are race-based affirmative action and welfare programs out there. I disagree with them; I'd rather benefits be given out based on measurable need, not skin color. The problem is that, overall, blacks are at a disadvantage, relative to white people. There's also a great deal of historical baggage, some of it very recent, which lingers as implicit and explicit racial bias. Not so for whites. Sure, you may be assumed to be middle-class, but you simply will not face …
/r/MensRights12/11/14 05:57 AM
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My mistake! Ah well.
/r/MensRights12/11/14 02:10 AM
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I should clarify. By "race doesn't work like gender," I don't mean that there aren't gendered issues. What I mean is that genders don't form groups that can be universally oppressed -- they're simply too diverse. There are women in all other conceivable groupings of people on the planet, how could one claim that one gender oppresses the other? The genders are split, not stacked. While stereotypes about each gender may persist, and vary with different cultures, socioeconomic disadvantage doesn't …
/r/MensRights12/11/14 01:20 AM
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Eh, problems among the Appalachian folks are economic, not racial. I'm with you, though. I wish race weren't a thing. It's like how feminist theory pushes this idea that "gender" is a purely social construct... except that actually is the case with race. Race is a purely social construct, an early, ill-informed attempt at categorizing human beings. It's about as meaningful as biblical "kinds" for categorizing animals. Unfortunately, the very realness of "race" throughout history means that there…
/r/MensRights12/11/14 01:09 AM
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I somewhat agree. I believe affirmative action should be based on rational measures -- socioeconomic background, number of college grads in the family, etc. -- and not based on skin color.
/r/MensRights11/11/14 11:45 PM
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Race doesn't work like gender. There are clear racial issues that disproportionately affect minorities that do not affect whites. Women cannot claim the kind of dehumanizing oppression that blacks, as a community, faced for centuries, whose effects linger to this day. What issues do whites face, as a group?
/r/MensRights11/11/14 09:27 PM
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I just went to r/whiterights (god help me), and found no such thing in their sidebar. I didn't want to stay long... anyone else find it?
/r/MensRights11/11/14 03:52 PM
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Here we go again...
/r/MensRights10/11/14 03:31 PM
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I'm a bisexual cisgendered male, mid-twenties, working toward a PhD in physics. You can look over my comment history and decide how well (i.e., up/down votes) I fit in here.
/r/MensRights09/11/14 04:38 AM
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Homosexual is not a slur. "Homo" is. Thank you for responding rationally. I wasn't arguing that it's not used as a slur, only that it's not in reference to sexuality and the term "cisgender" is just technical, not inherently offensive.
/r/MensRights09/11/14 02:32 AM
2

Ordering a stranger to smile? That's not rude to you?
/r/MensRights09/11/14 02:30 AM
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I hear you, man. It's been entertaining at least.
/r/MensRights08/11/14 10:02 PM
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Thanks. I must say, though, the comments and voting here have shaken my confidence. Apparently this thread has been hijacked by petty teenagers.
/r/MensRights08/11/14 09:39 PM
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It's used in academic literature, cuntbasket.
/r/MensRights08/11/14 09:35 PM
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It's so hard for people to look up words these days...
/r/MensRights08/11/14 09:28 PM
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And we are stoopid for not understanding the true definition? Fuck you. Yes. You are stupid for misunderstanding what a word means. Whether or not it's used as an insult is irrelevant. Edit: To clarify, for criticizing a word without understanding it.
/r/MensRights08/11/14 09:27 PM
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Thank you, FartsMalone. Good luck with the rest of middle school. :wink:
/r/MensRights08/11/14 09:14 PM
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What's dumb is that you have no idea what cisgender means. Yes, many radfems try to turn 'cisgender' and 'heterosexual' into insults. Some mainstream feminists, too. But screwing up basic terminology just makes you, and this sub, look stupid.
/r/MensRights08/11/14 09:08 PM
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Every sub has its dumb posts. We occasionally get ignorant things like this. They don't rise in popularity. Overall, have a little faith in our community to sort things through and deliver good content.
/r/MensRights08/11/14 07:55 PM
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Many of these are very rude things to say (e.g., "smile!", "somebody's acknowledging you for being beautiful you should say thank you more!"). Some are more benign, but probably annoying after hearing it dozens of times ("hey baby," "hey beautiful"). I'm not going to tell women that this kind of stuff isn't annoying or makes them uncomfortable, because it's their experience and they're free to feel however they want about it. I will, however, decide for myself what crosses the line into 'harassm…
/r/MensRights08/11/14 07:39 PM
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1) Be attractive. 2) Don't be unattractive.
/r/MensRights07/11/14 02:33 AM
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I think sparkyfister said it best.
/r/MensRights07/11/14 12:36 AM
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Because we have to worry about being sexually assaulted around campus. No, you don't.
/r/MensRights06/11/14 04:10 AM
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It's the canned response to the "not all men" thing that supposedly MRAs say all the time.
/r/MensRights05/11/14 11:39 PM
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Valenti is the Bill O'Reilly of feminism.
/r/MensRights05/11/14 12:36 AM
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Advice? Don't start a men's rights club. At least, not under that banner. The term "men's rights" has been slandered to death, and there's no way your teachers are going to believe a 14 year old trying to tell them that their image of the MRM is wrong. Start an organization for gender equality, but don't use the terms "feminism," "social justice," or "men's rights." Make your intended actions clear and precise -- These are the problems we see, these are the actions we want to take to help solve …
/r/MensRights04/11/14 08:29 PM
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"Cybersquatting (also known as domain squatting), according to the United States federal law known as the Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act, is registering, trafficking in, or using a domain name with bad faith intent to profit from the goodwill of a trademark belonging to someone else." An example of this is the White House's (successful) suit against whitehouse.com and whitehouse.org. Who is going to honestly believe that AVFM registered the domain purely by coincidence, and not to re…
/r/MensRights04/11/14 05:10 PM
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To be fair... What AVFM did could easily be considered cybersquatting. Probably not a great idea.
/r/MensRights04/11/14 04:07 PM
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And then there's the question as to why the Doctor is so anguished at being the last of his race if he can simply store some semen, turn into a woman and then impregnate himself. Holy crap that's a good idea! Although, there was that whole thing with the meta-crisis Doctor and Donna Noble. It's like... he just duplicated himself by regeneration. Must be some wibbly-wobbly time law preventing this sort of thing... also known as a plot hole.
/r/MensRights04/11/14 02:41 AM
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Moffat has said that they'd cast a female Doctor based on merit alone. I have my doubts about that... Generally Doctor Who is all ladies, with the Doctor as an exception. I would hate to see them cast a female Doctor just to pander to the tumblr fandom. I like "The Mistress." Her reveal was a great twist, and it raises all kinds of avenues to explore the implications of time lord sexuality. She's also a diabolical female supervillain.
/r/MensRights03/11/14 10:20 PM
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There's a difference between what I have the right to do and what I would consider appropriate behavior. Feminist protesters have the right to scream outside of MRM events. I have the right to walk around a public space in a jockstrap and nothing else. You have the right to sneeze and cough without covering your mouth on a crowded subway. The kind of behaviour that gets called "street harassment" is usually not appropriate behaviour, but it is legal. I have the right to talk to women in public h…
/r/MensRights03/11/14 01:49 AM
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Issues of accuracy aside, here: Economic Left/Right: -2.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79
/r/MensRights03/11/14 01:24 AM
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In her videos, Sarkeesian argues that misogyny in video games leads to misogyny in video gamers.
/r/MensRights02/11/14 08:04 PM
2

How old were they when this happened?
/r/MensRights02/11/14 06:26 AM
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Original source
/r/MensRights02/11/14 06:23 AM
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I don't want women to have equal rights to men, because then they'd have to lose rights.
/r/MensRights02/11/14 03:22 AM
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This is great... could do without the intro, though.
/r/MensRights31/10/14 10:47 PM
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... me? It's my opinion.
/r/MensRights31/10/14 12:40 AM
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When someone tells me that women are oppressed, endangered, and belittled day to day, and then they cite catcalling as evidence, I want to have some solid research at hand to be able to say either "good point" or "you're wrong." I agree that most of this stuff isn't harassment. It's annoying, perhaps, but not intimidating or threatening. However, a catcall really isn't an attempt to meet someone you find attractive, either. It's a pretty boorish thing to do. I don't buy that people do it in the …
/r/MensRights30/10/14 11:21 PM
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I've had a few occasions when a band of college girls screeches the lyrics to "Call Me Maybe" at me from their cars... Yes, actually directed at me.
/r/MensRights30/10/14 11:16 PM
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Apparently, they narrowed that down from a lot more material (and in the process... "accidentally" removed any clips of white people commenting at her). It's unclear whether they were shooting for a 2 min video or for as much as they could use. My hope for this is that it will encourage better research on the subject, by more neutral agencies.
/r/MensRights30/10/14 08:36 PM
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A welcome, and surprising, change, but not a particularly good argument. It rests on the idea that "feminism is bad because it simply gives a new set of standards for women," and says nothing about the effects of Feminism on public policy.
/r/MensRights30/10/14 04:57 PM
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No idea, but... GWW for Colbert??
/r/MensRights30/10/14 06:28 AM
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Suey Park, but Anita supported it.
/r/MensRights30/10/14 03:04 AM
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Wow... how quickly Anita's gone from "#CancelColbert" to "Y'all should watch the show tonight!!"
/r/MensRights30/10/14 02:05 AM
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And again zero studies that treat all men vs. all women as discrete groups. Could you clarify what you mean by this? The study I linked did address gender and sexual orientation as factors in harassment. I wish there were... more reputable sources on it. The study author has a master's in women's studies, her thesis on street harassment, and she founded an organization called Stop Street Harassment. Naturally, it's in her best interest that her research justify the charity's existence. When all …
/r/MensRights29/10/14 04:13 AM
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Everyone has a right to be left alone if they desire it. People who follow you on the street, persistently trying to talk to you, aren't respecting that right. I know it sounds like fem-speak, but I promise it's not. I don't mean to suggest that women in particular deserve respect for being women, only that everyone deserves to have their personal space respected.
/r/MensRights29/10/14 03:57 AM
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There have been several studies on the prevalence of street harassment. Here's one in particular that (as far as my reading goes) seems pretty fair. I would like to see more research, particularly on How often harassment actually leads to violence. Further demographic breakdowns of harassers and victims. Prevalence of street harassment as compared to street violence. How perception compares to reality. I suspect it feels more common than it actually is. Many women, especially feminists, have tol…
/r/MensRights29/10/14 03:54 AM
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If you will, consider it this way: Feminists point to street harassment as evidence of unchecked aggression and entitlement in Men, as a group. Since it does primarily affect women, it's very tempting to break the world down into women as victims and men as victimizers. This, falsely, lends credibility to the idea that women are an oppressed and victimized class.
/r/MensRights29/10/14 01:38 AM
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Eh... the guy keeping pace was definitely harassing. People want to interact and make friends, sure, but if someone clearly doesn't want to interact with you then you back off. Following her for five minutes? That goes a bit beyond the "hello stranger, nice to meet you" phase. Also, he was hitting on her ("If I give you my number will you talk to me?")
/r/MensRights29/10/14 12:41 AM
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Since this one directly affects people in a very personal way... yes. Unless there's a reference I'm missing?
/r/MensRights28/10/14 11:49 PM
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I've long accepted that catcalling and street harassment are real issues that women face far more than men. Part of it comes from the expectation that men make the first move in courting, but a lot of it really is a sense of entitlement and disrespect. That being said, I reject the absurd idea that catcalling is somehow symptomatic of an underlying problem with men. It is primarily a cultural, not gender, phenomenon. People will naturally pay attention to women. What turns this attention into st…
/r/MensRights28/10/14 11:08 PM
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This may not have been the best move on AVFM's part. They will only look like they're cyber-squatting to impede a charity's work. Albeit, a horribly biased charity... Seriously, why did AVFM buy the domain?
/r/MensRights28/10/14 05:13 AM
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Literally Poe.
/r/MensRights28/10/14 01:13 AM
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This is adorable.
/r/MensRights27/10/14 11:50 PM
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She's a bit behind. This was in vogue back during #yesallwomen. Get with times girl!
/r/MensRights24/10/14 01:27 AM
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Well done, until she went all libertarian. Disputing the stats was enough.
/r/MensRights24/10/14 01:25 AM
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Thank you for demonstrating how sexist we are /s.
/r/MensRights23/10/14 09:21 PM
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First they make the space. Then those in it complain about how it's "necessary." Then they use its existence as evidence that the rest of gaming isn't safe for women. Edit: This same thing happens with personal safety advice. With good intentions, people tell us we should walk in pairs at night, watch our drinks at parties, lock our doors, so on... then, it starts to feel like an obligation. Then we resent that feeling. "Why should I have to do these things? The world should be safe!" Fear leads…
/r/MensRights23/10/14 04:30 AM
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They left "Humanist Counter-Theory in the Age of Misandry" in the whiteribbon.org page title. Was this intentional?
/r/MensRights23/10/14 12:33 AM
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Rape is rape, whether it's by a stranger or an acquaintance. You asked us to distinguish rape from sexual assault. I'd also argue that rape is simply a form of sexual assault.
/r/MensRights22/10/14 09:58 PM
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Personally, i draw the distinction at escapability. A victim of sexual assault may get groped or flashed, but isn't trapped. A rape victim is unable to get away, because they're incapacitated, restrained, or coerced. That's my take on it, at least. Both are pretty horrible, but one is clearly worse.
/r/MensRights22/10/14 08:40 PM
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This is surprisingly traditionalist. "We need to focus on female DV victims because men are stronger!!" Yeah, on average, men are stronger in the upper body, an advantage lost immediately when she picks up a weapon, or uses psychological coercion. Also, when you live in a society that tells male DV victims that they're actually the abusers... Are you really that naïve, Cracked?
/r/MensRights22/10/14 04:59 PM
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If you respond, you'll probably get her dressing as you. That could be fun.
/r/MensRights22/10/14 01:13 AM
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Agreed, though this is an improvement. It's the difference between "there's a problem and we should address it..." and "this is a crisis, do whatever you need to fix it."
/r/MensRights21/10/14 03:03 PM
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Ah, friendzoning... Item number one in the FAQ, right?
/r/MensRights20/10/14 03:24 PM
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Seriously!?
/r/MensRights16/10/14 06:08 PM
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I agree that we need those loud voices at first to make a presence, but eventually it has to shift to something more cool-headed. In the long run we ought to be more welcoming to folks who may not agree as firmly.
/r/MensRights16/10/14 02:55 AM
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See... You and I know that, but far too many people either don't or pretend otherwise. Most moderates in gender politics would casually call themselves "feminists" because they've been lightly convinced by the dictionary definition (I did for many years). It's off-putting to them to see anti-feminist rhetoric, and blatant name-calling like "feminist rats" especially doesn't help. Would you take an article seriously that referred to us as "MRA pigs?"
/r/MensRights16/10/14 02:21 AM
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From the comments: David: This is a perceptive, well-researched, extremely prompt response to the news of the terror threat. You are the best journalist today writing on the New Misogyny, a term you coined, I believe. Your years of following these people gives you the deep understanding and resources to explain these connections. Thank you for your hard work and choosing this unpleasant road! Yup.... I looked at the phraseology too as I’m sure the FBI is doing. What strikes me as the primary wri…
/r/MensRights16/10/14 01:25 AM
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This is great... but can Paul Elam please stop using phrases like "feminist rats?" I know what he means, but it's exactly the kind of thing that gets taken out of context and used as evidence of our "rampant misogyny."
/r/MensRights16/10/14 12:39 AM
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But... but 1 in 5, Pierce! One in FIVE!! My money's on them playing the "privileged white men" card. Let's face it, if anyone meets the "privileged old white man detached from reality" image it's going to be a Harvard professor.
/r/MensRights15/10/14 09:20 PM
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And here I always thought honesty was the best policy...
/r/MensRights14/10/14 08:42 PM
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There was an interesting talk recently on this at r/lectures ("Imperialist Feminism"). The idea was that the US used women's rights causes as a justification for war in the middle east. I took away from it that the folks in government know that people care when women suffer, and so will use that as a powerful emotional appeal. While I agree that, for the most part, women have it worse in many Islamic countries, simply "empowering women" will not change anything there.
/r/MensRights14/10/14 06:45 PM
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This sub is not largely against UN Women. This sub is largely against UN Women's Goodwill Ambassador complaining about first-world problems that she, a mid-twenties world-famous college-educated multi-millionaire, claims put her at a disadvantage. Women are being burned with acid and fire, then forced to live with the ones who hurt them... but hold up, little British girls are being called "Bossy."
/r/MensRights14/10/14 03:36 PM
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I agree that what gets called "oppression" in the west is hardly that when compared with cases like this, but let's be careful with this argument. There is a common fallacious argument used against the MRM that "well, women have it worse in **insert oppressive country**, so what right do you have to complain?" This argument is fallacious because it assumes that a bad thing doesn't matter because something else is worse. "Sure, you may have your reputation ruined because of a false rape accusatio…
/r/MensRights14/10/14 02:52 PM
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It was a nice comment... where did it go?
/r/MensRights13/10/14 04:05 PM
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If it is "denying rights to a child" and "making a child suffer" to not have two-income support, we would ban single women from having a child with artificial insemination, ban adoption by single parents, and take children away from parents whose spouse has died. Very very well said. Never thought of it that way before.
/r/MensRights12/10/14 07:45 PM
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For the record, we're also against dismembering kittens. Also genocide. Just want to preemptively state things we cannot condone.
/r/MensRights12/10/14 07:41 PM
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Oh don't worry. We wouldn't burden you with that responsibility. Enjoy your single life!
/r/MensRights12/10/14 06:30 AM
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Yet with dozens of birth control options available to women... her consent to parenthood doesn't come from her decision to have sex.
/r/MensRights12/10/14 03:13 AM
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We do not support the draft (for men or women) and will not pursue the requirement of women to to join the military, and instead pursue the avenue for the entire act to be abolished. Most of us don't support the draft either. Those of us who do simply think it should apply to all citizens equally. It is brought up (infrequently) as a clear example of a gender discrepancy. See Karen Straughan's piece on it (she says it better than I can). The basic point is that we bring up the draft to show that…
/r/MensRights11/10/14 10:49 PM
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Ah, that's a relief. Thank you.
/r/MensRights11/10/14 10:15 PM
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... Why not just call them "kids", or "students?" What the fuck is a purple penguin?
/r/MensRights11/10/14 09:32 PM
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I think OP is asking more to assess our attitudes toward women's issues than to determine what issues women face. You don't ask feminists what MRAs think. Still, the best of us to answer the question are the female MRAs.
/r/MensRights09/10/14 08:29 PM
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Spot on. Well done, Josh Goldberg.
/r/MensRights08/10/14 10:42 PM
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This myth won't die because it's just too easy to believe. You need evidence that women aren't as valued in society as men? Well, you can spit the 77¢ / 1$ line as a clear bit of evidence. It's not a harsh topic like rape, but it's not a frivolous topic either. It's not technically wrong, either, just horribly misunderstood. So it persists.
/r/MensRights08/10/14 09:42 PM
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Men's rights Edmonton's "Don't Be That Girl" parody. I don't remember cops ripping them down, but it certainly started a shitstorm.
/r/MensRights08/10/14 07:01 PM
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A facebook friend of mine shared this. Oh Elizabeth Simins... don't you know? The worst way to recruit people to feminism is to have them learn about it.
/r/MensRights08/10/14 06:25 PM
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Because of course we only ever see women in a bad light in movies. \s
/r/MensRights08/10/14 12:39 AM
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There's only a few? If you believe the brigaded surveys occasionally posted to this sub.
/r/MensRights04/10/14 01:16 AM
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White people don't face discrimination for their race. Black people do. Straight people don't face discrimination for their sexual orientation. LGBT do. Men and women both face discrimination for their gender. Different discrimination in different areas, but not one gender oppressing the other.
/r/MensRights04/10/14 01:11 AM
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As best I can in my circumstance. I engage in friendly debate with my friends on the relevant topics, donate a bit to MRM campaigns and efforts, and discuss issues via this forum. There's not much else I can do. I don't have money or time, and if I publicly embrace the term "MRA" then I risk damaging my reputation. Not because the MRM is inherently bad, but because of successful slander campaigns against it. You may have noticed this in your google search...
/r/MensRights03/10/14 03:29 AM
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Too often on this sub, and in the MRM in general, patriarchy theory is strawmanned as a kind of conspiracy theory -- A cabal of rich white men smoking cigars and twirling their moustaches while plotting new ways to oppress women. Historically, gender roles existed to allow the survival of the species. With technological development, those roles became obsolete, and now we are experiencing their lingering effects. The term "Patriarchy," as I believe most feminists understand it, simply refers to …
/r/MensRights02/10/14 08:02 PM
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Women have had to fight for medical science to address their needs, in no small part because not so long ago, all the doctors were men. Huh? This is the second time in as many days that I've had to comment on this. Being a man doesn't mean you are incapable of sympathizing or understanding the concerns of a woman, or vice versa. Naturally, you can't speak from a woman's experience, but you can listen to many women's experiences and form an opinion. A potentially lethal disease that affects women…
/r/MensRights02/10/14 01:27 AM
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Clearly you don't if you think I accept sexual mutilation, so let me clarify again. The difference is between violence in self-defense (justified) and violence in retribution (not justified).
/r/MensRights01/10/14 10:37 PM
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You're trying to make a slippery slope argument. Women using RapeX are acting in self-defense, probably the only situation in which violence is acceptable. Notice how I'm not advocating that a convicted rapist's punishment be to be mutilated. If someone were trying to mutilate me by force, and I responded with deadly force as self-defense, then yes, murder is justified in response to mutilation. That doesn't mean that, should the crime be completed and the perpetrators caught, they should be exe…
/r/MensRights01/10/14 09:36 PM
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I want to stress that RapeX is meant as a deterrent. If a few male rapists get their junk impaled on this thing, or even if just the rumor of it spreads enough, then maybe others will think twice before raping. I don't see how a device for men would work. Most female on male rape is done via psychological coercion, threat with a weapon, or when the victim is incapacitated. Also, the west is a different planet from rural Africa when it comes to rape. There's really no comparison.
/r/MensRights01/10/14 08:55 PM
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And my girlfriend insists that HeForShe is an example of the true feminism...
/r/MensRights01/10/14 05:07 PM
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The trouble is that if you protest such an event, it will only look like you don't want to support victims of domestic violence. So I wouldn't wear "blue collar" clothes. This will be seen as derailing. Instead, I'd suggest some bruise-makeup and a sign saying something like, "Half of DV victims don't wear her shoes." Or something to that effect. Then again, it's probably more constructive to just talk to the organizer. Explain your objections, and that you will be protesting the event (if you c…
/r/MensRights01/10/14 02:05 AM
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"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." In this case, I would amend the saying to, "Never attribute to entitlement that which can be explained by apathy."
/r/MensRights01/10/14 12:47 AM
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It is unfair. But then, his condition is unfair. Sometimes life just isn't fair. He's going to have a tougher life because of his deformity. If his mother wants to give advice on how to make their lives a tiny bit easier, good for her.
/r/MensRights30/09/14 07:19 PM
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So they get that women are an important demographic, but they are men. ... and?
/r/MensRights30/09/14 06:52 PM
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That's pretty good advice, actually. I'll try to remember her suggestion if I'm ever in that situation.
/r/MensRights30/09/14 06:49 PM
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There was another video a while back of a "prank" where a woman went around lapdancing on random men. Hilaaaarious /s
/r/MensRights29/09/14 06:57 PM
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Taken together, however, you paint a picture of a society where men feel the freedom to use their bodies how they like and spend their free time doing stuff purely for fun, while women are more constrained to the home and expect their hobbies to be somehow industrious. ... and men's hobbies are expected to be competitive, aggressive, and ostentatious. More "masculine" hobbies include working on cars, DIY projects, sports, hunting and camping, and so on. It's only really recently that we get hobb…
/r/MensRights29/09/14 06:42 PM
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Because it's a dumb question which you can answer by reading his post properly.
/r/MensRights27/09/14 10:55 AM
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This is not to suggest that what Emma Watson did wasn’t brave. Women face consequences when they speak up on feminism, Calling oneself a feminist requires no "bravery." Nobody's lives get ruined for calling themselves feminists. What does happen is that internet trolls learn exactly how to push your buttons, and people will call you out on bullshit. And.... for fuck's sake... this: as evidenced by the internet trolls who threatened to release nude photos of Watson shortly after her speech DIRECT…
/r/MensRights26/09/14 12:29 AM
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Her ignorance is astounding.
/r/MensRights25/09/14 04:32 PM
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I just got shit on in another forum for daring to speak of circumcision and FGM "in the same breath." Not even comparing them... just talking about them at the same time. Sure, there's no comparison between FGM and medical circumcision in western democracies... but the stuff you're describing? Of course it's the same bloody thing!
/r/MensRights25/09/14 02:11 AM
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While I agree that men deserve credit for their role in the world, the feminist response would be that they dominate those vital areas because women haven't had a chance to go into them. I might contend that nothing's stopping them,... but it's not an unreasonable response.
/r/MensRights24/09/14 01:08 AM
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What I said: when I was a kid my parents and teachers taught me about "good touches" and "bad touches." It is not okay to touch another person without permission, certainly not in their "private parts." That lesson stays and leads obviously to the conclusion that date rape is wrong. Yeah, parents don't tell their kids "don't rape" because the basic "don't touch others without permission" covers that.
/r/MensRights23/09/14 11:41 PM
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You are citing new feminist programs that teache not to rape, as evidence that we traditionally teach not to rape. I cite the basic education every parent gives their child as evidence that we teach not to rape. I also cite examples of how, more recently, we've started also emphasizing this in colleges in the hope that it will curb date rape. Prior to these new programs, only the lists were given to women, and people then said the issue was not following the list. Ive seen mra's do it countless …
/r/MensRights23/09/14 11:09 PM
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Yeah, but if the only rape that is recognized or perceived as rape is violent stranger rape which was the case - then most rape flew under the radar. If everyone understands the most basic rules of personal space, then rape is very clearly defined. Though most people may think the word "rape" applies only to violent stranger rape, they know full well that touching someone against their will is not okay. There is a tendency to give women lists of things not to to and then say the issue is not fol…
/r/MensRights23/09/14 10:11 PM
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Okay... I don't know where you grew up, but when I was a kid my parents and teachers taught me about "good touches" and "bad touches." It is not okay to touch another person without permission, certainly not in their "private parts." That lesson stays and leads obviously to the conclusion that date rape is wrong. We may not know the name for it (most people do, though), but we know that touching a woman without permission -- let alone ripping her clothes off and penetrating her -- is wrong. It's…
/r/MensRights23/09/14 09:28 PM
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I agree that we need better sex ed that properly emphasizes communication and consent. It should also convey that sex isn't a prize, or a barter, and that men and women both usually want sex. You know... things most folks figure out past middle school. But slogans like "teach men not to rape" are completely different. We do teach kids, from an early age, that it is wrong to even touch someone without their permission. Better sex ed may help alleviate the nastier aspects of hookup culture, but no…
/r/MensRights23/09/14 09:11 PM
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Those that I've seen are usually women dressing provocatively and going to a poorer neighborhood. They then secretly record the occasional glances and behind the back comments and hold them up as evidence that all women are barraged with harassment whenever they leave the home. For the most part, the "harassers" actually leave them alone.
/r/MensRights23/09/14 08:08 PM
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The 1 in 4 is supposed to be over the entire four years of college, so this analysis isn't quite accurate. Still, take the typical class size and four times the annual rape rate and you still don't get anywhere close to 25%.
/r/MensRights23/09/14 07:17 PM
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Dontcha know? "MRA" means person who does bad internet stuff. Also someone who disagrees with women's rights.
/r/MensRights23/09/14 07:10 PM
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You can also just counter with the exact opposite of what she says, then just say you forgot where you read that :) That which is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
/r/MensRights23/09/14 02:15 AM
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If I had to throw a wild guess out there... Domestic violence is often linked to abuse as a child. In the modern world, LGBT children are more likely to face abuse, be cast out of their homes, and be rejected socially. Times are, thankfully, changing, so perhaps we'll start to see same-sex DV drop to the same level as heterosexual DV. Just a thought. I claim no authority on this.
/r/MensRights22/09/14 06:13 PM
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I'm a physics PhD student who has spent a lot of time with English students (specifically, theatre concentration). My girlfriend is a student at a prominent arts school in dramatic writing. My younger brother is a creative writing major in college (who has so far gotten more grant money than I have...). As an undergrad, I lived with theatre and anthropology students (theatre being a concentration within the English major). Difficulty is a matter of where your passions lie. I love theatre, and ot…
/r/MensRights22/09/14 06:08 PM
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badum
/r/MensRights22/09/14 05:15 AM
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If they've talked to him and he hasn't listened, then they should go to the nearest authority. If you're in college, I'd guess that to be an RA. If you're in high school, then a teacher or administrator. If you do that for them, they're going to have a harder accomplishing anything.
/r/MensRights22/09/14 12:47 AM
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I don't know what your situation is, so I can't give specific advice. Is he a classmate? Random guy on the street? Don't try to intimidate or threaten. In fact, I'd recommend you stay out of it unless the girls ask you to help. They should make it clear to him that what he's doing makes them uncomfortable, and if he doesn't change his behaviour then go to the authorities.
/r/MensRights21/09/14 09:10 PM
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Touching and groping without permission is obviously not okay. He's violating your friends and you have every right to be angry about it.
/r/MensRights21/09/14 08:54 PM
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I've looking over this guy's comment history. I've never heard the word "crybaby" used so much before... Honestly, he's like a poorly-written insult bot.
/r/MensRights21/09/14 05:48 AM
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The current internet infrastructure is so flimsy nobody wants to mess with it, for fear of breaking everything.
/r/MensRights21/09/14 03:49 AM
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One reason might be that the victims of wartime rape are almost certainly civilians. Those killed tend to be soldiers... at least in traditional war.
/r/MensRights21/09/14 03:40 AM
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Oh Chad. Two beers down and he's already set on rapin'!
/r/MensRights20/09/14 07:26 PM
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Apparently they do.
/r/MensRights20/09/14 01:10 AM
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Oy. "So it seems your antifeminism is based on this one event in your life..." Well, no actually. You asked her when she first became interested in this stuff, and she gave an example. Ever since, as she showed brilliantly, it has been based on careful consideration of research and rationality. I think she came out on top, in this one. She's a pro. All of his "gotcha" attempts are ones she's seen and dealt with before. She was better informed and he was floundering. I will give him some credit, …
/r/MensRights19/09/14 03:30 PM
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Karen, as always, you fucking nailed it. Well done!
/r/MensRights19/09/14 02:18 AM
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I agree with you wholeheartedly, but you're missing a quotation mark and it's kinda throwing me off :)
/r/MensRights18/09/14 08:26 PM
1

That bro-ment at the end :)
/r/MensRights18/09/14 12:35 AM
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I remember hearing somewhere that it had to do with claims of efficacy. Larger condoms are more likely to slip off, and the FDA won't approve claims of "98% effective in preventing pregnancy" in such cases. Also -- make a larger condom, and suddenly every man is "large" and wearing ill-fitting condoms.
/r/MensRights18/09/14 12:25 AM
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I don't know about you guys, but I always wear one. At all times. My boss requires it while I'm at work. All kidding aside, though... seriously, you should wear one unless one or both of you is sterilized and you're both 100% clean of STIs. It's not worth the risk otherwise.
/r/MensRights18/09/14 12:22 AM
1

Thank you. Also, capitalized Left... as in, one giant liberal entity wrecking havoc. It shouldn't need saying but...There are liberal and conservative feminists and MRAs. There are correlations, but not clear distinctions.
/r/MensRights17/09/14 04:59 AM
0

Definitely read astronomy. Everyone should read astronomy.
/r/MensRights16/09/14 12:45 PM
1

Also: People tend to ask a woman who was raped "What were you wearing?" and "Did you take any precautions to make sure this didn't happen?". Citation needed.
/r/MensRights14/09/14 11:08 PM
1

Perhaps they mean to say that in common usage, "rapist" usually refers to a man, while women who rape aren't acknowledged as such? It's an optimistic interpretation that they're just displaying the common stereotype. I agree with all of you that there is no reason to qualify with "typically a man."
/r/MensRights14/09/14 09:18 PM
3

Having actually looked over the comment thread now... I could only find one misogynistic sexist comment, and it was met with a swift sarcastic "Thanks for your valuable contribution to the conversation." Most comments were either politely critical of the author or of Karen Straughan. Edit: This author grossly misunderstands the MRM and Straughan. Yes, in her 35 min talk she talked only about Feminism, because her talk was about anti-feminism. She brings up historical examples to argue that women…
/r/MensRights09/09/14 11:07 PM
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Can't say for sure about that comment thread, but perhaps folks just decided not to feed the trolls? Here in r/mensrights, at least, blatantly hateful comments get downvoted pretty fast. It's just the nature of the web that there will always be someone leaving such comments. The response, though, is that the overwhelming majority of us express our disapproval through the downvote button.
/r/MensRights09/09/14 10:42 PM
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If anything, it indicates what age we're dealing with here.
/r/MensRights09/09/14 09:27 PM
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High school, probably. Some count AP classes as more, so GPAs can go over 5 even.
/r/MensRights09/09/14 08:09 PM
5

"It was a good rape."
/r/MensRights09/09/14 02:30 AM
1

Sometimes I wish we had an "Ugh" tag, because "Outrage" isn't always accurate. Edit: However, I feel your annoyance.
/r/MensRights09/09/14 02:27 AM
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Hate to say it, but as far as surveys go i can't find anything wrong with it. They asked the same questions of everyone, had pretty even sampling, and were clear in their analysis. Can anyone else find any flaws? I mean, it's the CDC...
/r/MensRights08/09/14 01:39 PM
2

So they live up to their name?
/r/MensRights08/09/14 12:26 AM
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But witchjelly's source was an indisputable, unbiased, government study!!! /s
/r/MensRights05/09/14 12:47 PM
3

Which is why Stewart also supports a charity for veterans' affairs. Good man. Great captain.
/r/MensRights05/09/14 12:40 PM
3

I oppose the belief that gender is a purely social construct. Here's why and what that does and does not mean. The common feminist argument is that although biological sex is, by definition, biologically determined, gender is a concept that is built entirely out of social pressure. Mostly through early childhood. Many of the more or less radical feminists take this further, rejecting the idea that any sex-linked behaviors are anything but the result of social conditioning. In comparison, race ac…
/r/MensRights04/09/14 12:26 AM
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Pretty sure those four guys are the inventors, not examples of "rapers." (The correct term is rapist, by the way)
/r/MensRights30/08/14 01:24 AM
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Outrageous, but what could you expect from "anti porn feminists"?
/r/MensRights29/08/14 12:02 AM
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Seriously. Less gets donated toward heart disease research because the causes are already well understood. It's treatable with lifestyle changes, mostly, and existing drugs. Breast cancer is an incredibly dangerous form that's hard to treat. Apparently it's not.
/r/MensRights28/08/14 06:10 PM
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How about.... if you feel unsafe, you now have another option available to you to make you feel safer. Nobody's making you wear it, and nobody blames you if you don't. Nobody claims that this will completely stop rape. [The nerd in me likes it just because it's kinda cool technology, even if it doesn't make much of an impact.]
/r/MensRights28/08/14 12:04 AM
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It's a question of response. I doubt most feminists would condone racial profiling, but they have no issues profiling the domestic abuser, rapist, harasser, etc. as a man and his victim as a woman. They will hand-wave the statement that "rape happens to men too" and start policies that target Men, as a group, as the perpetrators. We can quibble over who is the bigger victim in different areas (and I tend to agree with you that women are more often victimized in areas of harassment and rape), but…
/r/MensRights27/08/14 11:03 PM
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This is interesting, and worthy of further research. There's been plenty of solid evidence for implicit biases against women in the workplace and in academia (like this recent study). Though campaigns like "Ban Bossy" are frankly ridiculous, their purpose is not entirely misguided: Examine how we perceive men and women differently, and how these perceptions may help or harm them. One thing I will agree with many feminists on. The difference is I don't blame patriarchy or masculinity, and I don't…
/r/MensRights27/08/14 02:33 PM
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There could be a case of common law marriage there, though. My uncle went through something like this. His ex-wife would take him to court every time he got a raise or promotion, while living off rich boyfriends and claiming unemployment benefits. She deliberately did not re-marry just so she could keep doing this. Maybe it should be stricter than just living with them, but this is a clause i can agree with.
/r/MensRights26/08/14 06:00 PM
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I agree, but this comic isn't meant to show how vulgar cat-calling is. It's explaining why some women come across as "bitchy" when perfectly nice strangers try to talk to them. It's because of prejudice, one that is not entirely unwarranted but still a pre-judgement based on generalization. The comic explains why women may have such a prejudice, but blames it on men. "It's not my fault I judge you this way." Men: If I'm mean to you, feel guilty about it. Almost every woman I know has had some ex…
/r/MensRights26/08/14 03:36 PM
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Oy. Here we go again with them "damn libruls!"
/r/MensRights26/08/14 04:48 AM
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It's all about that target audience. Comics are targeted to teenage boys, so you get hyper-masculine guys and overly sexual women.
/r/MensRights25/08/14 08:42 PM
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And there's no "reverse" sexism any more than there's "reverse" bigotry. Sexism has no direction.
/r/MensRights25/08/14 08:12 PM
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Damn. I would wait longer for a tattoo even. Don't text him. Sit down with him and talk seriously. You're concerned, not about her (since, in his mind, she can do no wrong), but that he's rushing into this. Ask him why he feels the need to go through with this so soon. Try to gauge how well he knows her, and see if he's really ready to commit himself to this person for the remainder of his life. Also, I'm not here to police language but I strongly advise against using "bitch" to describe someone…
/r/MensRights25/08/14 05:08 AM
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That's a fair point. The language in this sub isn't always clear on the subject. It's not a good argument against prosecuting false rape accusations. The reason is that to defend oneself against a rape accusation is not to claim that the accuser is lying. False rape accusation is handled as any other case of slander or libel. It's a separate accusation. Being found "not guilty" of rape is not enough to prove that the accuser was trying to slander you, so a rape prosecution doesn't necessarily en…
/r/MensRights24/08/14 05:13 PM
2

Feminism is a men's rights issue.
/r/MensRights24/08/14 03:09 AM
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I'm not chivalrous; I'm courteous.
/r/MensRights22/08/14 05:37 PM
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Did you know 100% of abortions are done to women? It's funny what you can do with stats. " 100% of PIV rape is committed by people with penises." Well duh.
/r/MensRights22/08/14 04:55 PM
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Though I really hate the phrase "just sayin'", good for her. The "women can get prostate cancer if they're transgendered" is a little pedantic.
/r/MensRights21/08/14 10:35 PM
1

Well OBVIOUSLY the only politician who can represent a woman is another woman. Obviously.
/r/MensRights21/08/14 10:34 PM
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Don't you get it!? Feminism gives you the FREEDOM to wear a dress!!! /s
/r/MensRights21/08/14 03:08 PM
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And upworthy tries to be salon, and salon tries to be jezebel, and jezebel tries to be (oddly enough) return of kings. The ciiiiircle of liiiiiiife
/r/MensRights21/08/14 03:06 PM
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In a way, yes. It is discrimination, but not in the sense you imply. It's not discrimination against women, just a discriminating sense of personal purpose. Everyone picks their battles. When I say "place my priorities," I mean "choose what matters to me, personally." I don't deny that women's issues are important, and if I can I will help to solve them. The difference is that I don't assume I'll be able to solve all of the world's problems at once, and have to choose which causes I will take on…
/r/MensRights20/08/14 09:51 PM
3

Yeah, but most doctors won't just inject some mysterious substance into you without confirmation that it's FDA approved. And even if they would, I don't think my insurance will cover it. :) I'll buy condoms.
/r/MensRights20/08/14 07:46 PM
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I'm not having some back-alley guy stick a needle in my scrotum.
/r/MensRights20/08/14 07:21 PM
3

For the same reason gay-rights advocates aren't fighting for animal rights. Or to put it another way, many of us are both men's and women's rights advocates. We're not superheroes. You have to pick your causes. Just because we choose to advocate for the rights of men and boys doesn't mean we oppose the rights of any other group. It's just a matter of where we place or priorities.
/r/MensRights20/08/14 07:17 PM
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It's Jezebel, bro. I think most feminists are even embarrassed by it.
/r/MensRights18/08/14 11:47 PM
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Many of us in the MRM joke about how "we're all a bunch of fedora-donning, neckbearded, basement-dwelling misogynists," and so on. It's a joke because that's how the outside world tends to see us, and we know it isn't true (well, maybe a couple... it is the internet after all). Feminists seem to believe that those who reject feminism do so solely because they believe it to be about man-hating. Since it soooo obviously isn't in any way negative toward men, they should embrace that stereotype and …
/r/MensRights18/08/14 03:24 AM
1

I've had the same argument recently. Consad is the way to go. It's a 95 page analysis of tons of data, drawing from dozens of other studies. My gf has conceded on the wage gap, and I've been persuaded on other issues. Be open to her arguments. If you're willing to listen, so should she. If she's unwilling to consider scientific research, then there's no chance of changing anyone's minds. At least you were willing.
/r/MensRights17/08/14 07:27 PM
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I think they're referring to the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire, when commenting on women working in textiles The fact that some women worked jobs considered dangerous by modern standards doesn't counter the original argument that people cared more for women's safety.
/r/MensRights17/08/14 04:49 PM
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Certainly not empathy, but keeping women from voting and working was largely done to "protect the fair sex from the harsh world." Still not okay, but it's not hatred of women. Edit: A reference to one 1911 argument against women's suffrage. "To man, woman is the dearest creature on earth, and there is no extreme to which he would not go for his mother or sister. By keeping woman in her exalted position man can be induced to do more for her than he could byhaving her mix up in affairs that will c…
/r/MensRights17/08/14 12:53 AM
1

Well that is true.
/r/MensRights16/08/14 04:36 PM
1

Outlandish things get attention. That's what makes it news. The Westboro Baptist Church gets a lot of press, but they hardly represent religion as a whole.
/r/MensRights14/08/14 05:51 PM
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On the contrary, let them expose themselves. Sure, they'll get some followers, but then we'll know who the idiots are. It's not like her "policy" is any real threat. Just more crazy to consider.
/r/MensRights14/08/14 04:52 PM
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Let's be fair, though. I know "NAFALT" is a common cop-out... but really, this kind of thinking is exceedingly rare among people who call themselves feminists. Vice publishes often on the fringes of society, or at least what they think are fringes (hence why they wrote about us). In this case, at least, they let the crazy herself show the world how nuts she is.
/r/MensRights14/08/14 04:50 PM
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It's more of the same, "men's problems are a side-effect of women's problems." The belief that all of our problems stem from our apparent inability to show emotion, talk things out... you know, be feminine. So... men, you're responsible for your own problems because you oppress women and by so doing oppress yourselves.
/r/MensRights14/08/14 05:49 AM
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B-A-N-A-N-A-S! (couldn't resist, sorry)
/r/MensRights14/08/14 05:44 AM
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She's copy-pasting the same list that Big Red reads aloud, with a lovely straw-MRA. Look, I listen to what feminists have to say, but I can't take their criticisms seriously is their perception of us comes only from what other feminists have said about us. I've recently had some long chats with my (feminist) girlfriend about what the MRM is about... and she's starting to come round. She'll never be an MRA, but she's starting to see that it's not what's it's commonly written up to be, and that it…
/r/MensRights14/08/14 05:42 AM
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Fuck off.
/r/MensRights13/08/14 10:41 PM
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See, I understand that you mean for the necessity of protecting against false accusation. I suspect most would interpret the statement "it's only necessary with men" as "evidence" that men are uniquely dangerous to children. That's the problem. The rule really should be followed regardless of sex. Female teachers are just as much a danger as male.
/r/MensRights11/08/14 02:29 AM
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My girlfriend likes Family Guy and I don't really like it. She's a feminist; I'm not. Go figure!
/r/MensRights11/08/14 01:53 AM
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Agreed. They could accomplish the same with a gender-neutral rule. By making it gendered, they just reinforce the 'men as pedophiles' stereotype.
/r/MensRights11/08/14 01:48 AM
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It's a double standard if they don't apply the same rule to women. I think that's the complaint here. It's not clear from the post that this is the case, though.
/r/MensRights11/08/14 12:51 AM
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I don't know where you go to school... but violence or threats of it will be taken seriously where I'm from.
/r/MensRights07/08/14 06:36 PM
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Sorry, I worded that poorly. I'm disagreeing with this particular excuse for universities to handle rape cases, not with the fact that rape must be reported by the victim. I've edited. Hope that clears things up.
/r/MensRights07/08/14 04:37 AM
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The common rationale as I understand it is that sexual assault is something that must be reported by the victim, and this puts tremendous pressure on them and can make seeking justice an arduous process. The evidence is largely personal testimony, and it's easier for complainants to provide this to a familiar setting -- the university. Therefore, it's better for universities to handle it. (I disagree with this rationale, by the way). Another possibility is simply that the victim doesn't want to …
/r/MensRights07/08/14 03:05 AM
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Give some credit to the women who were doing their housework and raising their kids. Life was harder throughout history. It was by dividing work by gender that civilization accomplished so much. It's only in the 20th century that traditionally "women's" work became much more manageable. So, give credit to the men who made achievements, but don't pretend women just sat on their pretty asses.
/r/MensRights06/08/14 07:23 PM
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I don't believe so. A fetus doesn't have bodily autonomy because it is not an autonomous body. But then, that's a whole other issue and not one of men's rights. Regardless of your views on a fetus's personhood, an infant is clearly an independent human being with basic human rights.
/r/MensRights04/08/14 01:15 PM
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There is a big overlap between intactivism and men's rights activism. There are many reasons for this. The different perceptions of male and female genital mutilation demonstrate the "empathy gap," an example of male disposability and apathy toward men's issues. Male genital mutilation (circumcision) is considered normal and accepted throughout the world, while female genital mutilation is (rightfully) considered barbaric and a crime. Many of us consider it a human rights violation which disprop…
/r/MensRights04/08/14 02:40 AM
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Inspiring as it is, i agree. Let history decide its pivotal moments. We can be proud and optimistic, but never satisfied until real change comes.
/r/MensRights03/08/14 07:29 PM
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I have, and it depends far more on the individual than on their sex.
/r/MensRights02/08/14 02:24 AM
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I think we may disagree a bit on how common rape jokes are. I also recently finished undergrad and I'm now in grad school, so most people i know are not folks who one would expect to make rape jokes. However, the people i knew as undergrads were a somewhat diverse bunch. Some pissed off lots of people with their humor. But still, they rarely, if ever, told rape jokes. Beyond that environment, i have only the media to judge the extent of rape jokes in the world. I agree with you, though, because …
/r/MensRights02/08/14 02:20 AM
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I think it's more to do with knowing your audience. As someone else in this thread mentioned, it's common courtesy to not joke about a tragedy with its victims. For the rest of us, humor is a way of processing the evil in the world. Comedians have no way of knowing who's in the crowd, and rape is already especially taboo, so best to avoid it. Look at what happens to comedians who use it. It's more careful marketing than sensitivity. As i said, i can't speak to your experience, but among my frien…
/r/MensRights02/08/14 01:04 AM
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You say they're pervasive and unavoidable in our society, yet you rarely hear comedians make them? I can't speak to your experience, of course, but I can think of only two rape jokes I've heard in my social circles, and I have friends with pretty foul humor. The only exceptions are jokes about male rape... those i hear all the time.
/r/MensRights02/08/14 12:03 AM
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I like to say, "feel free to call me whatever you want, but don't be surprised when I disagree with you."
/r/MensRights01/08/14 09:41 PM
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"Jezebel writer ____ puts it best:" Nooooope.
/r/MensRights31/07/14 01:59 AM
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Or she just reached her own conclusions about the world. Feel free to disagree with her (I sure do), but respect that some people are going to have different opinions than yours.
/r/MensRights24/07/14 10:41 PM
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Ooohhh.... shit. Spiking drinks is not okay? Whoops! Er, sorry about that ladies. I'll tell the other guys so they know too. Thank goodness that poster was up in the men's room!
/r/MensRights23/07/14 11:24 PM
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Eh. It's just fashion tips. Artofmanliness does this too. At least it's a male narrator.
/r/MensRights23/07/14 02:11 AM
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While I respect that feminism has a longer and broader academic history, that doesn't make it a good viewpoint. There are even larger libraries devoted to theology. That doesn't mean it's all based on sound logic and science.
/r/MensRights22/07/14 06:26 PM
2

You're an men's rights activist?
/r/MensRights22/07/14 01:16 AM
1

To follow up the widespread success of Feminist Biology, we now proudly present .... Feminist physics! Feynman is now an unperson. Feynman diagrams, and indeed the entire path-integral formulation of QFT, is now to be avoided or replaced by "Femnan diagrams." Particles must demonstrate enthusiastic consent before interacting. Self-interaction is encouraged, but only for the female particles – formerly known as "fermions." Electric charge and quark flavour will now be referred to, respectively, a…
/r/MensRights20/07/14 10:08 PM
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Men aren't taught to dress, drink and travel with rapists in mind. True, but we are taught to dress, drink, and travel with crime in mind. Don't walk through that neighbourhood in your best suit. If you think women should drink, dress and travel with rapists in mind, don't complain when they complain about always being on anti rape alert. I think women should take the same basic precautions as everyone else. Nobody teaches you to be on constant poisoning alert, there is no such thing as people t…
/r/MensRights20/07/14 08:31 PM
1

First off, Lets look at your version of "common sense" for women. People are advised not to dress a certain way, I said "people," not "women." Some of the advice may be more directed to women, sure, but it's largely gender-neutral. I went to a pharmacy today to pick up a bottle of Tylenol (internet debates give me headaches). There were two bottles left on the shelf. One was fine, but the other had its safety seal broken. Now, the odds of the opened one being poisoned are astronomical, but I sti…
/r/MensRights20/07/14 07:04 PM
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The argument is that it leads to people saying "well if you didn't do x,y,z it wouldn't have happened". I think that's about the same thing I said. In other words they are told the culture is so full of rape it makes sense to be doing everything with rapists in mind. Then we complain when they have rape hysteria, paranoia and join groups that promise to "fight" it. Exactly. The thing is, though, that it does happen. Not as often as most feminist groups would have you believe. It's a good idea to…
/r/MensRights20/07/14 01:12 AM
2

Never heard a lawyer use it either. At least in the last 20 years.
/r/MensRights19/07/14 09:09 PM
1

"But you are wearing a whore's uniform."
/r/MensRights19/07/14 09:08 PM
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I have no citation on this (so please provide if you know of one) but I've been told that there was a time, a couple decades ago, when a rape case might be dismissed based on the victim's clothing. I find it hard to believe... but maybe it was true once. Nowadays, though, the "what was she wearing?" argument is just a common tactic to paint common-sense personal safety advice as victim-blaming. People are advised not to dress a certain way, to watch their drinks, to avoid certain areas, to trave…
/r/MensRights19/07/14 07:39 PM
0

"Their little gals adding extra money to their bank accounts"? As if. That's her money, dammit. You have no right to that. Oh, but you have to support her if your marriage ends for any reasons.
/r/MensRights19/07/14 02:29 AM
4

Up until recently, I had a male partner who worked the overnight shift in logistics at a furniture store. Essentially, this means that he’d get up at 2:00 in the morning (waking me up in the process, of course), and then go spend eight hours in a warehouse, restocking shelves with the incoming inventory. This just hit me as very strange. Why refer to him as a "male partner"? Up until recently? Naturally, slip in the little complaint about him waking you up at 2am to go to his job. The story cont…
/r/MensRights18/07/14 09:22 PM
4

Again and again with this same topic. And that's just what I could find in my own comment history and by googling "why title it Men's rights?" The reason remains the same. All civil rights movements are pushes for equality (generally speaking). The title each group assumes is determined by they group they focus on: Pride focuses on the LGBT community. The civil rights movement focuses on the rights and treatment of people of color. The women's rights movement focuses on advocacy for the rights o…
/r/MensRights17/07/14 11:54 PM
1

The term "cis" has been thrown around as a pejorative. "Straight" hasn't really. I can see why some find it irritating. That being said, I personally have no problem with it. These terms are just used for clarity when someone's gender identity is relevant.
/r/MensRights17/07/14 08:49 PM
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Ah, I see. Cheers!
/r/MensRights17/07/14 03:48 AM
6

Yes... what exactly are you correcting?
/r/MensRights17/07/14 03:35 AM
5

Anyone have an idea of the number of laws that have come out to protect women (exclusively), vs the number regulating women's health?
/r/MensRights17/07/14 02:49 AM
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Yes, MRAs claim (with evidence) that false rape accusation is a problem, that the "rape epidemic" is a wildly overblown fabrication, and that the response to said epidemic is to strip away due process and create an unjust environment where false rape accusation is certain to increase (especially when combined with the victim olympics of modern culture...) No. This does not mean that when a rape case is dismissed for lack of evidence the accuser will then be charged with false accusation. Libel a…
/r/MensRights17/07/14 01:25 AM
2

It's still very popular. A group performs it at my old university every year on V-day. The popularity, I think, is because its royalties all go to a foundation that supports female rape victims in the DRC. I can see the merit. The monologues are well-composed and some of them are moving, some are pretty funny, and all very female-empowering. Ultimately it just ends up being a lot of feminist masturbation (figuratively and literally). I saw it twice to support friends who were in it, but I don't …
/r/MensRights16/07/14 09:50 PM
1

The other question to consider is just what laws could uniquely regulate men's bodies. Women have the greater role in reproduction, hence any legislation that deals with reproduction will affect them more. So, yes. It's easier to find laws that regulate women's bodies than men's. But this isn't because society as a whole wants to oppress and control women. It's because people in power want to control regulate reproduction. But other laws that control peoples' bodies -- laws about food and drugs,…
/r/MensRights16/07/14 08:31 PM
3

Maybe we could just quietly collect these kinds of examples of double standards. It's more important to show how common these things are than to raise an uproar over each example. I believe this is what the feminists call "microaggressions."
/r/MensRights15/07/14 10:06 PM
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Guys! Seriously! Lemme get my dictionary. See? Says right there -- movement for equality!!!! So that settles it! It's all good.
/r/MensRights15/07/14 04:24 AM
1

Perhaps you'll like this bit of literature?
/r/MensRights15/07/14 02:59 AM
1

Maybe an "irritating" tag?
/r/MensRights14/07/14 08:30 PM
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It seems like reproducing is the only thing they have going for them. Provide for myself and my my child. My my, indeed.
/r/MensRights14/07/14 04:36 PM
24

This same post pops up every few weeks. Yes, a lot of the rhetoric is pretty aggressively anti-feminist. Many MRAs think (and I agree) that feminism, a widely-popular philosophy that guides much public policy, is harmful to men. This is not because "empowering women threatens men," but because Feminism demonises men, and uses fear and outrage to push unjust policies and attitudes. I would also go so far as to say that Feminism harms women, as many female anti-feminists will tell you. You're righ…
/r/MensRights13/07/14 06:17 PM
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I figured they probably weren't. The interaction is straight out of the "dopey husband" or "woman knows best" trope, though. Personally, I think every man who can afford it should own at least one suit. You never know when you might need it. It doesn't make you less of a man to not own one, though.
/r/MensRights13/07/14 06:10 PM
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Smart wife takes care of dopey husband. Guy's response was perfect.
/r/MensRights13/07/14 05:14 PM
1

If you go through life believing that to support women is to support feminism, then logically anyone anti-feminist would have to be anti-woman. Of course, it's a false equivalence. Feminism ≠ women.
/r/MensRights13/07/14 04:30 PM
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How can you expect someone to listen to you when you call them terrifying sewer dwellers? They don't care if you listen to them. They just want to hate on you.
/r/MensRights12/07/14 05:02 PM
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Me: "Yes, actually." Her: "No, you don't." Me: "Who are you to tell me what my experiences are!"
/r/MensRights12/07/14 04:52 PM
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Haha, get it? Because... we're all um, like, hating on women all the time? That's all we do all day every day amirite? Excuse me, puts on fedora, strokes neckbeard, blinks in the dim screenlight in mom's dark basement. White-knight, mangina, red pill, m'lady, pussy pass, incel, friendzone, mgtow. Edit: Is /s for sarcasm really necessary here? Whatever, I'm being sarcastic. Seriously, though, humour works when it has a kernel of truth. Mocking a strawman makes you look like a fool.
/r/MensRights12/07/14 04:51 PM
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But no matter what my opinions are on the group attempting to further the cause of furthering the dominance of the sex which has basically been dominant since humans began, sigh.
/r/MensRights12/07/14 04:44 PM
1

True, but at least in my experience they usually think the other side is wrong, not just ignorant or confused. This Buzzfeed article list just started popping up on my Facebook... seriously, the Inigo Montoya line has to go. It stopped being funny about the same time as "Run, Forrest, run."
/r/MensRights12/07/14 04:37 PM
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Always... ALWAYS -- "Don't agree with feminism? You obviously don't understand it!" These women's statements show a critical understanding of the behaviour of the feminist movement. If it were just based on stereotype, it would be shit like "because I love men!" or "because I'm not a lesbian." These women object to feminism because they do not see themselves as victims, and believe feminism paints them as such. But no matter what... "don't agree? You just don't get it." To compare, consider Demo…
/r/MensRights12/07/14 02:53 AM
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Also, what's the harm in trying to get more women into tech? Or STEM for that matter? Personally, I would also like to see similar programs to get more men get into childcare, nursing, education.... all the traditionally feminine jobs. As long as it doesn't hinder men from getting tech jobs, and is funded privately, fine by me.
/r/MensRights10/07/14 11:45 PM
2

I see. I think that's why I left the caveat that people will have very different definitions of what constitutes harassment. Personally, I think the intent of the initiator should be what matters. Hence, catcalling is harassment. Starting a conversation is not. This study could certainly use a better definition than "anything that makes someone feel uncomfortable." At the very least, it's nice to see some actual numbers on this issue that acknowledge that men are not solely perpetrators in this.…
/r/MensRights09/07/14 02:00 AM
2

Please quote where I and the article made these definitions, and explain why they are different. Where did I define it as unintentional? Where did I say it happens all the time?
/r/MensRights08/07/14 08:06 PM
2

Street harassers do not care that the person they are harassing has their own thoughts, pursuits, and reasons for being in public. It comes from a place of disrespect. Generally speaking, though, the word "harassment" means exactly what I've said so far. The linked article spent more time defining examples of harassment than exploring motivations behind it, but the difference between someone being rude and someone deliberately harassing another should be clear. As I mentioned in my original comm…
/r/MensRights08/07/14 07:08 PM
2

Street harassers do not care that the person they are harassing has their own thoughts, pursuits, and reasons for being in public. It comes from a place of disrespect. Generally speaking, though, the word "harassment" means exactly what I've said so far. The linked article spent more time defining examples of harassment than exploring motivations behind it, but the difference between someone being rude and someone deliberately harassing another should be clear. As I mentioned in my original comm…
/r/MensRights08/07/14 07:08 PM
2

It's done by people who don't care that they're causing harm: They intend to. They don't care that it's wrong. If express harm is part of the definition then cat calling wouldn't qualify as harassment for example. Do you really believe people catcall just to brighten someone's spirits, or have a chance at getting laid? It's because they like to see people squirm, and know it gets under their skin. Like I said: trolls.
/r/MensRights08/07/14 06:42 PM
2

Sentences are structured a certain way, therefore we strip some people of their personhood. Seems legit.
/r/MensRights08/07/14 06:08 PM
3

I exaggerated. Perhaps I should have said, "It's a bad thing done by bad people" ? If you want to nitpick, you could say I was wrong. My point was that what should be called harassment is done with the express purpose of causing discomfort or harm to another. It's done by people who don't care that what they're doing is wrong, not people who are confused about right and wrong.
/r/MensRights08/07/14 06:06 PM
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No. How the hell did you get that? Some acts of harassment are crimes and some are not crimes, but are still not appropriate behaviour. Rape is a crime; picking your nose is rude. The fact that we don't lock up nose-pickers doesn't mean it's acceptable.
/r/MensRights08/07/14 05:45 PM
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"“Street harassment” describes unwanted interactions in public spaces between strangers that are motivated by a person’s actual or perceived gender, sexual orientation, or gender expression and make the harassee feel annoyed, angry, humiliated, or scared." Seems pretty fair to me. True, it excludes harassment that isn't motivated by perceived gender/sexuality, but that doesn't mean it excludes men. A broader definition would probably show more equality, though, if it went on to include harassmen…
/r/MensRights08/07/14 04:43 PM
3

His other videos on Sarkeesian do quote her more. This is just parody.
/r/MensRights08/07/14 03:32 PM
1

This is one of those issues that I agree does primarily affect women. This research is sound. Most, if not all, of my female friends have reported being victims of street harassment at some point. A few caveats, though. First, I'd expect what men and women deem "harassment" to differ substantially. I've known women who consider any stranger talking to her in public to be harassing her, simply because he has "more physical strength." Second, it is a crime committed by criminals. The usual rhetori…
/r/MensRights08/07/14 03:27 PM
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I'm with you. Getting tired of all these posts about "oh, I got banned from r/feminism! Can you believe it ‽" It's not hard to do, most of us who attempt to comment there will, and it's not impressive or outrageous. Frankly, nobody cares. We know r/feminism is ban-happy.
/r/MensRights08/07/14 04:06 AM
2

Oh my god this was hilarious. Especially the dad screaming about how he's "backtraced" things and he's calling the "cyber police." 4chan is fucked up, for sure, but they get shit done. What kind of 'warrior' gets knocked down this easily?
/r/MensRights07/07/14 12:14 AM
2

Totally with you there. Quebec's got its shit together. :)
/r/MensRights06/07/14 06:33 PM
1

The insurance company, if religious, just have to not offer a health plan if they won't follow the rules See, this is the problem. Historically in the US we didn't have an alternative. The only way health insurance (and healthcare) could be afforded is through employment or some government benefit program like Medicaid. It's not a good system, for reasons exactly like this. A company has the choice over what they want to cover because they aren't required to provide health insurance at all, but …
/r/MensRights06/07/14 06:16 PM
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We need to be careful. It is a common belief that all we do here is whine about "being friendzoned" and brag about "scoring some pussy yo." I do think these labels and terms are important. I disagree with your definitions, a little bit. Here's how I think of them: Nice guy/Nice guy syndrome - A man who believes that by being nice to a woman who has no interest in him, she will eventually change her mind and want him. An idea fed by romantic comedies which I haven't personally witnessed in a man …
/r/MensRights06/07/14 05:18 PM
1

That's the distinction. Hobby Lobby is a private company. "Its" views are those of its directors, and their religious freedom rights demand that the government not require them to violate their religious beliefs. In this case, it means they don't have to pay for insurance to cover things that they think are abortion. Note that they're not keeping the employees from getting these contraceptives themselves -- only that they can't be required to pay for them. If this were state-funded insurance (su…
/r/MensRights06/07/14 04:59 PM
1

Well in this case, the joke is on how stupid men are.
/r/MensRights06/07/14 04:14 PM
13

Another thing...why didn't they just put a women undercover instead of the 4 hour make-over Because everyone loves a make-up montage!
/r/MensRights06/07/14 05:54 AM
3

If your #1 concern is men spreading their knees a bit on public transportation, please refer to Mercury for help with your first world problems.
/r/MensRights06/07/14 04:53 AM
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I have seen this sort of thing on posters at a university. "How not to rape" made the rounds.
/r/MensRights06/07/14 04:24 AM
1

I don't even see why this is a men's rights issue. It has nothing to do with men. It doesn't really have much to do with women either. It's about property rights. The issue has been predictably spun into more lousy evidence that "the government (of men!!) hates women!" Whether or not you agree with the decision, it should be obvious that it wasn't made out of any disrespect or hatred of women. If anything, this is more evidence of why private employers shouldn't be covering health insurance, and…
/r/MensRights05/07/14 06:30 PM
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What did Stern say/do? I'm just giving the example u/Joeboy requested. This particular skit was written by a feminist and starred a well-known feminist actor. Feminism doesn't have to do anything for SNL.
/r/MensRights05/07/14 06:07 PM
10

Even if she hadn't thrown the glass at him, throwing her drink at him is a form of battery.
/r/MensRights05/07/14 04:31 PM
3

Using wordpress doesn't mean you have to host it on the wordpress site. I've done some freelance web design before, and in my experience unless you need some seriously custom functionality, you might as well go with wordpress or some other existing content management system. I'm a little too busy to help you out now, but if anyone else does you'll need to provide much more information. What sort of things does the site need to do? Is it just hosting articles (like a blog)? A forum? An archive of…
/r/MensRights05/07/14 03:10 PM
5

For one example, there's the SNL skit "Jewelry Party."
/r/MensRights05/07/14 02:15 PM
10

A bit wordy, but a good analysis. I think the reasons for this criticism are pretty simple. To those who can't imagine that men face any injustice, and believe the tired cliché that "men only want one thing," the MRM must be a way for men to "get laid." This also explains why it's so easily mixed together with PUA/RedPill communities. I agree that it's incredibly hypocritical to use this insult. It further exposes the feminist attitude of male/female hyper/hypoagency.
/r/MensRights05/07/14 02:06 PM
1

I don't see anything wrong with warning people that a something might have some disturbing content. We do it with movies, video games, and a lot of content on reddit already. Sometimes it's nice to know before clicking a link that I'm going to see someone's head split open. I just wish they weren't called "Trigger Warnings." Some university classes have started issuing trigger warnings along with course descriptions, and excusing students from studying topics that could be upsetting to them. Thi…
/r/MensRights04/07/14 10:04 PM
1

So men in the class get automatic extra credit? That's odd for a gender studies class.
/r/MensRights04/07/14 05:32 PM
3

I cannot agree enough. It's an easy mistake for people to make when capital-f Feminism is equated with women, women's rights, gender philosophy, any and all progressivism, etc. Chemistry is not medicine. Physics is not engineering. Ideology is not activism.
/r/MensRights03/07/14 01:27 AM
2

Can they honestly believe men to be a trod-upon minority? Do we? I just thought we had our issues and wanted to deal with them.
/r/MensRights02/07/14 11:52 PM
3

Meanwhile... #ListeningToMenFace is trending.
/r/MensRights02/07/14 11:50 PM
1

Very good points. I wasn't aware of exactly which contraceptives were affected, or the reasons behind it. I agree that it would be nice if it were easier for individuals to own their own insurance. I still think, though, that if it's part of an employee's compensation it really shouldn't be the employer's business how it's used. An employer can't dock pay because an employee spends it on something they dislike. Either way, the whole thing is predictably blown way out of proportion because it dea…
/r/MensRights02/07/14 03:11 AM
2

My only thought seeing this.
/r/MensRights02/07/14 02:13 AM
1

True. They can buy it themselves, if they can afford it. In many cases they can't, and the answer is not just to use different contraception. Hormonal contraceptives are used to control severe menstrual problems, which can get pretty bad (I actually have a friend who has to go on Vicodin once a month). The insurance is part of an employee's compensation, and it is understood that it will cover medical necessities. It is not an employer's place to decide what constitutes a medical necessity, any …
/r/MensRights02/07/14 01:14 AM
1

The problem here is the distinction between the business's rights to act on their own religious views, and their employees' rights to have different views. In this case, it is an employer imposing religious views on employees. The debate can then be reduced to one of employee vs. employer rights. Personally, I think it's stupid for any business to deny contraception pills and IUDs. They're mostly used for reasons other than contraception, and religious intrusions in medicine leave a bad taste in…
/r/MensRights01/07/14 09:05 PM
4

Probably because liberal issues include those that the MRM and Feminism debate over, and conservative media are less concerned about gender politics. The dominant liberal view, though, is feminism. The result -- negative reactions from liberal media, neutral to supportive reactions from conservative media. I consider myself liberal and progressive on many issues, though of course not all, and I like the MRM because it is progressive, and not merely a reaction to feminism. Maybe Fox won't like it…
/r/MensRights01/07/14 06:41 PM
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Oh there's going to be harping about Hobby Lobby for some time now... Regardless of your views on contraception, the whole story has been blown way out of proportion. Predictably, it has become a case of more "Look what the men do to us!" Flavorwire? What flavor is that... bullshit?
/r/MensRights01/07/14 04:16 PM
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The author does a poor job of hiding her snark. a White House task force studied sexual assaults on college campuses. A shooter in Santa Barbara, Calif., killed two women and four men because, he said in a manifesto and video posted before his attack, he believed women had unjustly withheld affection from him. A #YesAllWomen campaign highlighted broader experiences of misogyny. [...] Men, attendees believed, were the ones under threat of attack. Not too subtle there... List off recent events, im…
/r/MensRights01/07/14 02:56 AM
3

It's funny, really. A year ago I got into a heated argument about legal paternal surrender over a similar post that came up on Facebook. This was before I'd discovered the MRM, or knew the best arguments for LPS. The post said something like "If men have the right to opt out of parenthood, so should we!!!" As a pro-choice person... I had to call out how anti-choice this misconception was :)
/r/MensRights01/07/14 01:18 AM
1

It's damn near impossible to read -- poor contrast, densely packed lines, small font... Still a nice analysis.
/r/MensRights30/06/14 11:49 PM
2

People are free to call themselves whatever they want. Insisting that a person must agree to a list of stances in order to call themselves an MRA is not how it works. The best we can do is invite people to support the rights of men and boys, get them listening to the arguments, and make up their own minds. If the arguments are good, the dominant opinion will be the one you want. Before I discovered the MRM, I was indifferent about circumcision. I didn't see any harm, and was vaguely aware of som…
/r/MensRights30/06/14 10:08 PM
2

But... but... corn flakes!
/r/MensRights30/06/14 09:58 PM
5

That's not at all what he said. Maybe read past the first few words? I am not willing to reject potential allies on fifty other human-rights battles because they won't join me in the MGM battle.
/r/MensRights30/06/14 09:54 PM
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It's repackaging the old "the biggest insult for a man is to be compared to a woman!" argument. For many men, yes, it's insulting to be called weak. Most of the slurs that suggest weakness are associated with femininity. The implication is that women are weak. That's bad. This is derailing, though. What happens is a man is insulted for lacking masculinity. He is hurt by the expectations on his sex. We can work for years to get people to stop using feminine slurs to imply weakness, but men will s…
/r/MensRights29/06/14 10:31 PM
5

How can you go to a war when the troops are sick? Oh, the misogyny!
/r/MensRights27/06/14 11:45 PM
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You probably should have just stopped at pointing out the difference between red-piller and MRA. Playing detective on an picture isn't going to get you anywhere. Denying that she was attacked will always be seen as victim-blaming. Far better to denounce the asshole and correct her misconceptions about the MRM.
/r/MensRights27/06/14 10:58 PM
1

Any protesters?
/r/MensRights27/06/14 04:09 PM
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While it's not part of the MRM, there clearly is a community of people who feel the way we are so often caricatured. Redpill, ROK, "manhood academy," people who just feel angry at women for their own inadequacies. There's also the pickup artist community, who see women as prizes, lands to be conquered. Feminists like to think that anyone who objects to feminism either doesn't understand it, or is judging it based on stereotypes on the fringe. Personally, my experience and knowledge of feminism i…
/r/MensRights26/06/14 07:29 PM
2

Not even once.
/r/MensRights26/06/14 02:24 PM
2

There is a chance that he is a rapist. There's a chance that he has syphilis, too. There's a chance he has blood type AB and a benign tumor in his colon, and that he prefers spearmint to peppermint gum. People are people, and strangers are strangers. "Schrödinger's rapist" is used to garner sympathy for women, telling everyone that their constant fear of men is justified because every man is a potential rapist. It's not wrong, it's just a horrible way of looking at the world, and based on overbl…
/r/MensRights24/06/14 11:11 PM
1

I don't know of any businesses besides gyms that do anything like this, unless it's a business for a primarily female service (e.g., a gynaecology practice, a women's hair salon,...) It's not that these businesses want to exclude half the market, it's just that the service they provide is designed for women. As far as gyms go, I've never heard of one that was exclusively for women. Maybe "Curves for Women"? I'm sure that if a guy really wanted to, he could get in... they're not being exclusive, …
/r/MensRights24/06/14 08:55 PM
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Look, I hate to cry "repost" but it seems to me that this same comment gets posted here every other day like it's some great revelation. Yes, a movement that serves all genders equally would be ideal. A movement that serves all people equally would be great for politics, but people are going to disagree on how the world works. Feminist theory, when it acknowledges that men even have issues, has it that these issues are a result of women's oppression, and so society must work to help women in ord…
/r/MensRights23/06/14 10:13 PM
5

Hah. Dark horse. I'm going to guess it's named after the Katy Perry song, since the title has nothing to do with the actual meaning of "dark horse."
/r/MensRights23/06/14 04:51 AM
1

Them scare quotes. "Men's issues" conference. You can just see those fingers carving the air.
/r/MensRights22/06/14 10:26 PM
3

The trouble is that "women's rights" and "feminism" have become synonymous. One is an important movement looking out for the rights and fair treatment of a gender, the other is a philosophy which guides that movement. It's even reached a point where any kind of gender egalitarianism is called feminism. This is why anyone who doesn't call themselves "feminist" is seen as a bigot. If feminism means gender equality, then "obviously" anyone who disagrees with feminism must be against gender equality…
/r/MensRights20/06/14 03:26 PM
0

Let me reiterate what I've been responding to: I get that a lot of men would go out and have unprotected sex if judicial abortions were allowed, and that it indirectly would mean more unwanted births. and But this would motivate more men to do so :) The argument here is that if men are allowed to opt out of parenthood, then they're more likely to have unprotected sex because the stakes are lowered. In subsequent discussion, OP also argued that women already do this when given access to abortion.…
/r/MensRights20/06/14 12:37 AM
0

Okay, here's another. It is used that way all the time. Care to back that up?
/r/MensRights19/06/14 11:25 PM
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Oh 4chan.... keeping the internet weird.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 06:19 PM
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Abortion is not used as contraception.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 06:12 PM
1

By the same logic, access to abortions would encourage more women to have unprotected sex. Abortion is not used as contraception.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 05:44 PM
1

The preferred term is "Legal Paternal Surrender." I get that a lot of men would go out and have unprotected sex if judicial abortions were allowed, and that it indirectly would mean more unwanted births. Men and women have unprotected sex regardless of the law.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 03:57 PM
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I agree. I just think this is the rationale for the Nordic model. It draws from the belief that women are only ever victims.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 03:49 PM
1

Not the best analogy, I admit, but I think it's valid. The point isn't who's profiting, it's who's trapped. You want to make an industry illegal, because damages those involved with it. You can criminalize supply-side, demand-side, or both. The drug addicts or prostitutes aren't involved by choice, the dealers and Johns are.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 03:31 PM
3

TIL all women are Canadian.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 03:12 PM
1

The reasons for it are actually pretty simple, if misguided. Start with the belief that prostitutes are desperate women with no other options. Suppose you want to make prostitution illegal. By punishing the Johns, you ensure that you're not punishing people who had no choice. You can help them instead. It's similar to the theory that you should punish drug dealers, but not addicts. The addicts are stuck in that lifestyle, the dealers are just profiting from them.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 03:11 PM
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"Use alcohol to commit a crime?" What the hell... is that like mugging someone with a broken liquor bottle? Also could be called rape apology, with the implication that guys can't control themselves under the influence. It's like, "always designate a chaperone."
/r/MensRights19/06/14 04:28 AM
3

To be precise, this is referring just to infanticide. That could include negligence, accidents, etc. I agree that the sentence for any infanticide should be far worse than 5 years, but I'm sure that in cases where the charge is elevated to murder, sentencing would of course be more severe. What bothers me about it in particular is that it actually specifies a separate sentence for women. I want to know what the hell lawmakers were thinking.
/r/MensRights18/06/14 10:17 PM
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Same old, same old. "When I decide to go for a jog at o-dark-thirty, the possibility of being mugged never crosses my mind. I don't carry that burden the way a white person does. So the fact that a white guy can accuse me of mugging and I could be sent to prison just based solely on their word is a trade-off I'm willing to live with"
/r/MensRights18/06/14 09:53 PM
2

Well, at least it's better than the "science: it's a girl thing" crap. Biology is already female-dominated. My physics grad program has just one woman out of 10 students -- not because only one was selected, but only one of the women selected chose to come here. I'm all for getting more women in STEM fields, particularly math and physics. If and how we get to equal outcome is another matter. This video puts forth the same message as "Ban Bossy," that the world is full of would-be scientists and …
/r/MensRights18/06/14 04:08 AM
5

You know, the comments actually surprised me a little. Sure, they're still loaded with misinformation and misunderstandings, like the incessant belief that all we talk about is the "friend zone" and sex... But the more casual commenters seemed to be more of the "well, they're assholes but they raise some good points" view. Frankly, if they're not rejecting the MRM entirely, we're making progress. Maybe some will be curious enough to look into it, and find no mention of the "friendzone" except in…
/r/MensRights18/06/14 12:46 AM
1

How about "I'm a sexy woman so stop objectifying me?" by Karen Straughan? That might be too long and in depth, and the evo-psych evaluation might offend her. Alternatively, "Ok, so, wanna know what rape culture is? It's me feeling uneasy and put off walking on my own street in the middle of the day." Your personal feelings are now indicative of a culture that accepts and normalizes a heinous, violent crime? Your first question is probably, "well what were you wearing?" Don't put words in my mout…
/r/MensRights17/06/14 11:44 PM
11

Don't you get it? ... we are 4chan! And the Illuminati! EndFathersDay was started by releasing compound 47 beta in the chemtrails over Kentucky.
/r/MensRights17/06/14 05:08 PM
12

Ahh, the ol' "aren't I so cute and empowered?" smirk. Edit: This post reminded me to get a copy of that book. Thanks, anonymous book-burner!
/r/MensRights17/06/14 01:08 AM
2

"Know that if you really are someone who feels scorned by women, participating in villainizing women will only lead to a vagina-free life," he points out. That's actually good advice to give your pre-teen son. Why is he telling us?
/r/MensRights17/06/14 01:06 AM
2

Actually, that's a good point... just look what happened with The Amazing Meeting. Still, I think the chance of harassment claims is better than the certainty of a discrimination claim from barring them from attending.
/r/MensRights17/06/14 12:40 AM
1

True, but on what grounds? They attend a private event, pull some shit, get kicked out, and sue? Again -- there are going to be cameras everywhere, security. Let them sue if it makes them feel better, they'll only dig a deeper hole.
/r/MensRights16/06/14 11:50 PM
5

Viral media has us all as rampant misogynists who spend our time talking about duping women and laughing at abuse. I prefer to believe that the truth shines through in the end. Obviously, no matter what happens at the conference, tumblr will pretend it was testosterone-driven klan rally. I think it would be worse if it seemed like we were actively excluding feminists. What matters is building a positive image in the mainstream media, which can be held accountable for bullshit (no guarantee, of c…
/r/MensRights16/06/14 10:08 PM
5

Not naive, just rational. I wasn't aware they'd crowdfunded for a single person to go, that's different. Yes, I would expect them to just try to start some shit. No matter what, though, the security presence is going to be tight and everything will be on video. Say someone jumps into a talk on homelessness, rips off her shirt while throwing avocados and screeching about patriarchy. Big guys with "security" on their shirts come in and drag her away, while everyone else stays calm. When she claims…
/r/MensRights16/06/14 10:05 PM
2

That could happen. I hope that there will be people there videotaping the talks. I can't afford to be there but I still want to hear the talks. If press get a hold of such shit, AVFM just sends them the full tape.
/r/MensRights16/06/14 10:00 PM
1

FRA?
/r/MensRights16/06/14 09:56 PM
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Anyone willing to pay $300+ for a ticket would be going through a lot of trouble just to cause trouble. I figure if someone wants to buy a ticket and go to a talk, only to start shouting and get dragged out by security, let them do it. A momentary disruption, makes them look bad, and the conference makes a profit. For those who won't buy tickets, the new venue puts the speaking spaces far from public areas, so protests will be distanced from the events. At this point, they can do Operations Dark…
/r/MensRights16/06/14 08:31 PM
3

I feel like we could play bingo with these. "Shut up and listen" check "Women are oppressed" check "Misogyny x10" check "1 in 4" check "Derail" BINGO!
/r/MensRights16/06/14 03:07 PM
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Women sit around colleges sharing their "I was raped and never reported it..." stories like they're badges of honor. Oh, absolutely! I don't know if you heard the "switch rape" story a while back, but there was a girl who went to tumblr with a story of how she'd been raped because her partner switched positions midway and didn't ask her first. Here's a response to it. In a culture that praises the biggest victim as having the most legitimate view, everyone's bumping elbows to be that biggest vic…
/r/MensRights15/06/14 09:43 PM
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As I understand it, it can be exceedingly difficult to go to the authorities immediately after such a traumatic incident. That's the problem. Often, by the time someone is capable of going to the hospital/police, all physical evidence is gone. In other cases, it may just be that the victim isn't sure s/he wants to go through the trouble of reporting it, or thinks that the case is solid enough. That's not to say that false accusations don't happen, or that we should always trust the victim. Rathe…
/r/MensRights15/06/14 08:24 PM
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Not the bot :'( Botty was innocent in all this!
/r/MensRights14/06/14 11:22 PM
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The accusations that we're a right-wing, traditionalist movement may explain the popular misconception that we're against Planned Parenthood.
/r/MensRights14/06/14 05:12 AM
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Nice Tim Minchin reference :) I also consider myself an egalitarian, not an MRA, but for a very different reason. The women's rights movement fights for the equal rights of women. It is (almost entirely) guided by the ideology of feminism. This is why people who advocate for the rights of women go by the title of feminist -- it's interchangeable with "women's rights activist." Similarly, MRAs believe in the equality of the sexes, and care about the rights of all people, but they focus their advo…
/r/MensRights14/06/14 02:39 AM
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I responded a bit hastily. I have since read the longer article that this is reduced from. The rational thing in my opinion, and it seems we agree on this, is to indicate that you are unfit to serve on such a jury. The problems with the system will not be fixed by allowing rapists to walk in the interest of a political point. Yes, the system is broken, but suggesting that jurors exploit the nullification loophole (as I see it) is just giving more fodder to those who want to take a quick quotatio…
/r/MensRights13/06/14 11:46 PM
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No. It's shit like this that makes people think we want to protect rapists. If an accusation of rape has progressed to a full criminal trial by jury, you can damn well be sure it's not a frivolous matter. If the evidence is good, do your duty as a juror and vote as you see fit. Imagine a jury of radfems that ignore all evidence and vote "guilty" because they believe all men are rapists. The proper response to injustice is not more injustice.
/r/MensRights13/06/14 10:31 PM
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Oh those comments.... "If you don't like it you clearly don't understand it!!!"
/r/MensRights13/06/14 01:45 AM
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Be Socratic, and don't push too hard. She's entitled to her own views, but just try to make it clear that some of those views offend you. She probably doesn't want to offend you. At all times, though, don't act like you're teaching her -- ask her why she believes what she believes, where her fear comes from. Ask if she's afraid of you (assuming you're male). The first step is to make it clear that MRAs are not (by majority) whiny, misogynistic, ignorant, or against women's rights. Since you guys…
/r/MensRights12/06/14 09:00 PM
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Tragic. It's horrible that there was nothing that could help her.
/r/MensRights12/06/14 03:47 PM
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Folks unsympathetic to the MRM tend to shy away when false accusation is mentioned. The common belief is that it doesn't happen. This article focuses well on the methods of the university pseudo-judicial system, rather than the actual prevalence of crime. It seems to argue against universities adjudicating sexual assault on the grounds that there isn't much punishment they can actually dish out. If you ask me, universities should have systems in place to help victims go to the hospital and polic…
/r/MensRights12/06/14 03:42 PM
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Eh, I suppose. People can say whatever they want. I'd probably say "we're having a baby" before saying "we're pregnant."
/r/MensRights12/06/14 03:43 AM
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"We have scheduled another venue and will make an announcement on the site this evening" Phew. I was worried for a second.
/r/MensRights12/06/14 01:26 AM
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The phrase always struck me as odd.
/r/MensRights12/06/14 01:25 AM
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Shit... I spin my pen nearly-obsessively.
/r/MensRights12/06/14 01:07 AM
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My brothers and sisters... commence Operation Shining Unicorn!!!
/r/MensRights11/06/14 03:49 PM
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But what about the WIMMINNNN?!
/r/MensRights09/06/14 09:01 PM
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I'll take a shot. Privilege is an idea from standpoint theory that a person's background changes his/her perspectives on the world. While this may be true, it's mostly used to argue that the more disadvantaged you are, the broader your experience and understanding. It is often interpreted to mean that the wealthy, white, male, cisgendered, and straight cannot sympathize with other demographics. In addition, it can refer to the advantages that certain classes have because of the oppressive behavi…
/r/MensRights09/06/14 03:31 AM
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That's a perfectly reasonable cause, but last I checked it's not at all related to the conference.
/r/MensRights09/06/14 12:21 AM
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If the conference is cancelled, it will be taken as evidence that the MRM is a hate movement that advocates violence against women and all that bullshit. If it goes forward, the protests will benefit us. People will see rabid protest of a peaceful conference on issues that any rational person can agree with.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 07:19 PM
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Voter rights? What does that have to do with the conference?
/r/MensRights08/06/14 06:28 PM
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ideology that directly harms women You keep using that word.... A Voice for Men, has gone as far as to produce a letter from the DoubleTree that says the protest organizers have made threats against the hotel and its staff for planning this protest. Fucking liar. They were sent a letter demanding that they pay for additional security, because the hotel received such threats. They did not claim that your protest was making threats. This is not only illogical as UniteHere, the union who represents…
/r/MensRights06/06/14 08:01 PM
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Same here.
/r/MensRights06/06/14 01:16 AM
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Redditor for 50 minutes... posting here and in AMR... Obvious troll is obvious.
/r/MensRights05/06/14 06:40 PM
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Dangit... better tell the girlfriend that we can't screw anymore. We'll just sex in the dark.
/r/MensRights05/06/14 05:20 PM
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Very good points about how men -- as scientists and soldiers -- are and were portrayed in film and television. He lost me as soon as he started blaming it all on "leftists." The left attitude as I understand it is that war is brutish, and so progressive media don't like to make stories about violent war heroes. What's changed since Lost in Space is that we don't idolize soldiers as the ideal of masculinity. We still admire their courage and patriotism, but recognize that many enlist because they…
/r/MensRights05/06/14 04:38 PM
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Well, we all knew it was going to happen.
/r/MensRights05/06/14 02:38 PM
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With regard to the draft...
/r/MensRights05/06/14 12:28 PM
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They realize that hashtags don't work on posters... right?
/r/MensRights05/06/14 11:21 AM
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The popular attitude seems to be that the MRM is a collection of whiny, privileged, woman-hating, ignorant white men who advocate violence against women and believe that any advancement of women in society is a detriment to themselves. The reality is that we are people (men and women) who believe that there are legitimate inequalities and injustices that are uniquely faced by men -- of all races, ages, sexual orientations, etc. -- that are either not addressed or made worse by the predominant ph…
/r/MensRights05/06/14 04:49 AM
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Eh... technically yes, but I think it's a bit silly. I don't agree that toplessness should be considered partial nudity for one sex and not for the other. If a man uploads a shirtless photo to Instagram, I doubt it'd be removed. That being said.... if it is considered nudity, then it is in violation of Instagram's terms of service. For the record, it's legal to be topless in public in NY, regardless of sex. The rules may change if you go into a private establishment, though.
/r/MensRights05/06/14 03:23 AM
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Whoops... missed that line. Yeah, that's not very neutral.
/r/MensRights02/06/14 07:12 PM
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This was wonderfully neutral in its discussion. Every other article I've read on these subjects -- violence against women, the Isla Vista shooting, trigger warnings -- has taken some stance on the issues, revealed either explicitly or through tone. It's nice to see a report that actually just... reports on what's happening, without drawing conclusions or stretching truths.
/r/MensRights02/06/14 06:05 PM
2

Okay. Big Whovian here. Doctor Who is remarkable in how it maintains so many of its traditions from its 50 years of existence while still updating settings and themes for the modern world. We see characters dealing with modern problems, but still fighting campy 60s era Daleks and Cybermen (granted, they're a lot more badass now). Among those traditions is the sex of the Doctor and his companion. At the show's inception the Doctor had to be male, and his companions had to be female. Perhaps that …
/r/MensRights01/06/14 05:25 AM
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I really despise the term "feminazi." One loses all credibility by name-calling. While feminism is by definition a movement for the equal treatment of men and women, it is based on certain philosophies that many disagree with. Many valid discussions end just because of the titles we choose. I choose to call myself an egalitarian, because I don't agree with the premises that feminism is founded upon -- that society is divided into privileged and oppressed, and that the division is neatly between …
/r/MensRights01/06/14 12:53 AM
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The common accusation is that "women make 75¢ for every dollar a man makes in the same exact position!" Even a cursory understanding of economics shows how flawed this is. If it were cheaper to hire a woman for the exact same position, people would. The same factor that's pushing jobs overseas would be pushing jobs to women. Furthermore, it is illegal to discriminate according to sex when it comes to pay. If someone has strong evidence that this is happening, there are plenty of institutions in …
/r/MensRights30/05/14 06:48 PM
2

The wage gap is real; it's just widely misunderstood.
/r/MensRights30/05/14 06:23 PM
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Looking forward to Honey Badger Radio tonight!
/r/MensRights30/05/14 12:09 AM
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Page 5 of this document (from RAINN) discusses it well.
/r/MensRights29/05/14 10:37 PM
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You cannot perfectly prevent rape, true. You can reduce your risk of it. This is the purpose of rape prevention. Learning to protect yourself from danger does not mean that it's your fault if it happens. Prevention means making safer choices -- walk with friends, watch your drink, watch for signs of controlling behavior, etc. -- so that you can feel safer. If you're taught constantly that no matter what you do it will inevitably happen, the "YOU CANNOT PREVENT RAPE" attitude, then you will never…
/r/MensRights29/05/14 07:17 PM
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Not disagreeing with you, but what should we call ROK if not part of the MRM?
/r/MensRights29/05/14 06:53 PM
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I think you are straw-feminisming. I don't believe I am arguing a strawman. I've pointed out a specific argument that many have made in favor of legally-defined cutoff BACs. Granted, I haven't cited specific people saying it, since this is a casual discussion. If you'd like I'll find some examples. The BAC limit for driving is a convenient midpoint between the strong and weak versions you define. However, you can't know BAC without a test. Maybe he can know how many drinks she's had, and use tha…
/r/MensRights29/05/14 02:10 PM
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Five bucks this gets quoted on amr or some major news story as evidence of our "rampant misogyny" and the success of feminist campaigns.
/r/MensRights29/05/14 11:28 AM
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Wish I could go to the conference. If it's caught on that this is happening, I'm honestly a little worried for the physical safety of attendees.
/r/MensRights29/05/14 03:11 AM
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This is a very good point, and I admire your courage in sharing such a personal example. I would suggest that he did, in fact, hate women, but that it was a product of his mental illness.
/r/MensRights28/05/14 01:56 PM
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"Ugh, the sheer misogyny of those forums!!" "Examples?" "Just.... all of it! UGH!" "Not even one?" "I'm not going to subject myself to it any further!" ... every damn time.
/r/MensRights28/05/14 01:48 PM
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Everyone knows that communism was just a red herring!
/r/MensRights28/05/14 01:47 PM
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A few examples of MRM activity: Shelters for battered men. (or at least attempting to despite opposition) Hanging posters in protest of anti-male sexism (see: the "don't be that girl" campaign) Organizing oppositional movements to genital mutilation. Assists men in facing unjust legal proceedings (AVFM's Judicial Accountability Committee). I'm sure there are more examples that others can bring up. The problem, of course, is the small scale (as of now) of the movement, and the rabid opposition it…
/r/MensRights28/05/14 03:00 AM
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Don't send feminists to take over Antarctica!!! There's really important research going on that can only happen there!
/r/MensRights28/05/14 01:34 AM
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Welcome! The FAQ is a good start. I would also highly recommend checking out the videos of Karen Straughan (aka, Girl Writes What) on youtube, since these were my first exposure to the MRM. She addresses many common complaints and misconceptions about the MRM. "Feminism and the disposable male" is perhaps the best known of her videos.
/r/MensRights27/05/14 11:34 PM
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To clarify: I"m not saying it actually is a legal cutoff. That's just what many feminists argue. Some even go by the "one drop" rule, as someone else ITT pointed out. It's easier to say "too drunk to drive=too drunk to consent" than to say "your mental capacity matters, and though some alcohol is okay it's up to your partner and possible a jury to determine if you're in the right state of mind to consent." Capacity is a tricky area, and while feminists would push for tighter constraints on it, I…
/r/MensRights27/05/14 03:27 PM
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Hate to say it... but I laughed pretty hard. If people really believe that our goal is to herd women into pens and rape them to death... it's like the "atheists eat babies" thing. If you care, ask for a citation on that :)
/r/MensRights27/05/14 01:39 AM
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We need a leader in the MRM to write an open letter. Then a petition of our own to back it.
/r/MensRights27/05/14 01:18 AM
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It’s feminists who fought a long and recently successful battle to ensure that male victims are included in the FBI’s definition of rape Excuse me? I'm pretty damn sure it was feminists who fought for the "made to penetrate" separate-but-equal nonsense. Seriously, she's quick to cite the obscure blog post that backs her point, but leaves out the links for these more important pieces of evidence: The "hateful" AVFM article about her, evidence of doxing and targeted hate campaigns, the incident wi…
/r/MensRights26/05/14 09:32 PM
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The MRM goes out of its way to aid prosecution of crimes against women that are perpetrated by self-proclaimed MRAs. An example of this is the $1000 reward AVFM and several other men's rights organizations offered in exchange for information related to the arrest of Danielle D'entremont's assailant. Edit: Actually, the total reward is more like $3000 now.
/r/MensRights26/05/14 05:16 PM
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If you can argue the crime was committed under the influence and out of character, you can argue intoxication as mitigating, but you still committed a crime. With this same logic, if a man gets drunk and sleeps with a drunk woman, both of whom to outside observers are too drunk to consent, then both are rapists and victims. Alcohol was a mitigating factor, but both still committed the crime of sex with an incapacitated person.
/r/MensRights26/05/14 04:59 PM
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The argument is that a person is held responsible for their actions while under the influence. I agree that there are counter examples to this, but it's not a completely baseless comparison. That's why i made this post. I want to discuss how the theory of capacity may relate: How does alcohol intoxication change responsibility for actions?
/r/MensRights26/05/14 04:14 PM
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Thanks for your response. Most feminists I've argued with like to say, without reference, that "too drunk to drive = too drunk to consent." I suspect they enforce this belief because it's comforting to have a legally-defined cutoff BAC for consent. This leads to ridiculous conclusions though. You're right, of course, that common sense should dictate how to act. It's such a grey area, though, because it's so hard to tell who is aware of what.
/r/MensRights26/05/14 03:32 PM
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What we do know is that he was a Men’s Rights Activist, or MRA. He was an active member of the “PUAhate,” IN THE NEXT SENTENCE. For fuck's sake if you're going to bash the MRM then LEARN ABOUT IT! Men's rights activism is not even in the same ballpark as the pickup artists. I'm not just splitting hairs here -- one is a community of men looking to trick women into having sex with them (as I understand it), the other is a community of men and women seeking to right gender injustices with regard to…
/r/MensRights24/05/14 10:33 PM
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It's probably worth discussing since many news agencies have been trying to blame the MRM for this. One kid in my Facebook news feed even wrote "add 7 to the r/mensrights body count" (or something to that effect). He actually blamed a subreddit for a drive-by shooting....
/r/MensRights24/05/14 10:10 PM
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I remember hearing somewhere an interesting distinction between how men and women are treated with regard to dress and behavior. A man must never be taken at face value -- he always has some other motive behind whatever he does. The same may be true for women, except in the case of dress. A woman dressing a certain way does it because she wants to and don't you dare question that! (I think it might have been honey badger radio...) The fact is, whether you want to or not, you will be judged for h…
/r/MensRights23/05/14 03:46 PM
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I'm with you. I was trying to be charitable. It's important to bear in mind how MRAs and other non-feminists are viewed (or, for that matter, anyone who isn't a "true feminist"). The people who protest these events honestly believe that they're drowning out hate speech. The platform was given to the speaker, though, which should be adequate evidence that this was not hate speech but an informed opinion.
/r/MensRights23/05/14 12:41 AM
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This video made my blood boil. The right to free speech is one of the most basic and misunderstood of human rights. Free speech does not guarantee a platform or audience, true. Though nobody there claims otherwise, those feminists are correct about that. The constitutional right to free speech only protects you from government censorship (ideally). The fallacy, though, is that this doesn't mean it's ethical to shut out those who disagree with you. They're legally allowed to chant and stomp and d…
/r/MensRights21/05/14 08:54 PM
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Agreed. I haven't seen much radical men's rights activism. Then again, it's hard to tell what are actual radical MRA beliefs and what's just a feminist misconception about MRAs.
/r/MensRights14/05/14 11:16 PM
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I agree with the men's rights movement. I was responding to this: MRM is a smaller pie, but the slice seems bigger, in my opinion I'm not saying the movement itself is radical. I'm saying that there is a greater percentage of radical MRAs than there is a percentage of radical feminists. Suppose we have a population of 200, 25 of which are radical feminists and 25 radical MRAs. Of the remaining 150, 100 are feminists and 50 are MRAs. We had the same numbers of radicals in each, but because the to…
/r/MensRights14/05/14 09:51 PM
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