Real Men Don't Join Fraternities

guywithaccount · 2015-03-18T20:03:00+00:00

Real Men Don't Let Others Categorically Define Them.

ExpendableOne · 2015-03-18T19:08:19+00:00

So then... real women don't join sororities either. And, since feminism is essentially a global cult-like sorority, "real women" aren't feminists either?

The_Nameless_Mist · 2015-03-18T19:25:58+00:00

The first mistake he makes is that he's speaking anecdotally.

The Greek system has its flaws, but its members graduate more often, generally have higher GPA, tend to see less social and other issues in school, deal with depression and loneliness better, and tend to have better attitudes overall about women than unaffiliated men on campuses around the country. Most of them have mandatory sexual assault or drug/alcohol programs that all members have to go through upon initiation.

His second mistake is that he's speaking from a very temporally limited perspective. Many frat members retain these contacts well into old age, and the long-term benefits of frat membership for them as one of their key social networks has a lot of positives, from fighting depression, helping to deal with divorce or empty nest syndrome, etc.

I'm no fan of the Greek system, trust me, but even a "fabricated" social network is still a social network, and social networks have a lot of inherent positives, just by existing.

vox_libertatis · 2015-03-18T20:54:43+00:00

As a member of a fraternity, stuff like this absolutely maddens me. These kinds of articles use the same logic as radical feminists do towards this movement: take the worst of the worst, and then post it up as a sweeping example of every single member of that group.

A fraternity is just an organized group of friends. We "buy" friends as much as the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, sports teams, hunting clubs, FFA, College [insert political party here]s, and any other group that charges dues. Its no different that if 40 of your friends got together and said, "let's go buy a house, insurance policies, lawyers, and supplies to have tons of fun, then split the cost". People constantly get the wrong idea about what dues are for some reason. Heck, some chapters have financial assistance or exemptions if you qualify.

"Real men" don't insult entire groups of people based on the acts of a select few. Imagine if we did this to other groups. This line of reasoning could be used to slander every religion, every race, every nation, every culture, every state, city, neighborhood...heck, most families even have a cousin, aunt, or uncle somewhere that is off the rails.

My fraternity has an international leadership conference. Our chapters from across the world come together for a week, learning from one another and forming connections with people across the globe. We have classes in how to detect the kinds of personalities that lead to these atrocious stories everyone hears about, so that we can kick them out during the pledging process. We learn a variety of skills, from hazing prevention methods, to basic etiquette. I met fraternity brothers of every race, religion, and political ideology. I met some gay brothers, some bi-brothers, and a massive army of the rest who would stand behind those guys no matter what. The problem is not with fraternities; it is with groups of self-righteous asshats that group together and pretend to be like the rest of us that are shining examples for the rest of society.

So please, don't be like the tumblr hordes that say that Mens Rights is misogynist because one person using our label said something bad. "Real men" leave the judging and the prejudice to the other team.

robo_octopus · 2015-03-18T18:11:37+00:00

Pretty interesting. As a college student who transferred from one university with a greek system to one without it, I can say definitively that I liked being at the school without it more. There's a very noticeable difference in the culture. But to be honest, the kinds of guys that do the shit you hear about on the news go to both, also. The real argument is "does it make more sense to collect those kinds of guys all up together in one place?" Some days I say yes, and others no.

EDIT: I have no idea why this is being down voted. Just trying to comment on the issue from the perspective of someone who has experienced both.

thrway_1000 · 2015-03-18T21:02:37+00:00

https://archive.today/PUZcB

elebrin · 2015-03-18T22:35:09+00:00

The thing is, I understand why they want to take Fraternity life away from men. Fraternities act as that social support mechanism that so many men are lacking. Some women want to take that support away so that the men have to rely on them for it.

agent_of_entropy · 2015-03-18T18:12:35+00:00

NO men join fraternities. Boys join fraternities.

Title	Real Men Don't Join Fraternities
Author	NadiaJones
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Date	March 18, 2015 6:05 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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