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The metric for "normal and well-adjusted" in men includes them exhibiting behaviors you'd expect women to outgrow by kindergarten. Most men are not predators, but most predators can pretend to be normal. And predators have no problem twisting every possible bit of ambiguity to their advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:17 PM
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If invasion is reasonably likely, then conscription is reasonable. If conscription is necessary, then everyone should be conscripted (regardless of gender). What I don't get is why anyone would want half the population to have zero military training if they think their country is going to be invaded. Even if women don't go to the front lines by default, they should have at least enough training to fire back if the invading forces make it to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:21 AM
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Alimony is only awarded in like 10% of cases. Most owed child support isn't paid. Financial abuse is extremely hard to prove and mete justice over. But lmao at the idea that the issue doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:18 AM
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If the law itself was a pre nups there wouldn’t be a need for pre nups The law is the default prenup. If you don't like the default prenup, that's when you make your own (though you gotta make sure it's enforceable). If someone chooses to be a SAHM, it must seem like a good deal to them when they make that choice. Plenty of bad things are advertised as good ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:16 AM
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The birth rates are considered kind of a big issue - not sure if you've heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:14 AM
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A noble ideal, but highly unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:08 AM
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Marriage isn’t an employer-employee contract. Of course not. There would be labor protections if it were.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:56 PM
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And those funds are frozen in time when she gets them. Maybe they'll grow with investments, but she'll have to otherwise make due with that division of assets and no earning potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:56 PM
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Employers don't recognize those when you list your previous job as "homemaker" on your resume. Be real.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:37 PM
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and why should women receive compensation equal to half the man's earning potential? Because they chose to give up the possibility of careers that would have given them earning potential. are they unable to work entirely after a divorce? 20+ years of work has more earning potential than someone out of the workforce that long. Be real.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:35 PM
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And so the birth rates tank further.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:26 PM
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If you distrust your employer to the point that you need labor protections, don't work at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:24 PM
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The issue is that there's nothing stopping the money-earning party from restricting all money access to the non-money-earning party. SAHMs deserve the agency that money provides too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:23 PM
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I don't see why they couldn't join the SAHM union.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:20 PM
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Pre nups aren’t mandated by law The law itself is a prenup (it's what you get if you don't otherwise write your own prenup). Also, with so much being concerning why not just avoid being a SAHM? I have no intention of being a SAHM. But it should, at the very least, be a good deal for the people who choose that path.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:19 PM
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the benefit of being a SAHM is that you don't have to do any paid labor and that somebody pays your bills and expenses instead. That's called indentured servitude. i'm not going to let women crash at my place for free because they want to go on strike lmao. most people i know wouldn't (i would go as far as saying that nobody i know would). And so the birthrates fall further.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:12 PM
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but your proposition is much more preposterous than simply voting for progressive policies. I mean, I'm all for progressive policies. But I also know there are reasons they haven't been implemented yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:08 PM
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If a prenup was enough to provide those checks and balances, we wouldn't be in this mess. (Plus, marriage law is a prenup in its own right, and we see how well that's working out.)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:07 PM
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Off to a country with actual indentured servitude with you then.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:04 PM
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50% of 0 is still 0. Plus you don't get 50% of the earning potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:04 PM
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If there aren't sufficient checks and balances to protect you, why should anyone be a SAHM?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:03 PM
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Mayhaps the threat should be dealt with proactively then, and women be paid for being SAHMs.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:02 PM
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Non-men, are lesbian SAHM excluded? Non-parent men. Not Non-men. That said, lesbians are an interesting case since it brings up the possibility of two SAHMs at once. Also is capacity going to be an issue in this case? For the friends and family that would be housing these women, is there an assumption of recompense? I'm sure they could get jobs if it got to that point. They just wouldn't be doing SAHM work. Will the children be expected to go as well? Why can't dad take care of them? Is there an…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:00 PM
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Okay, but nowhere in your comment did you mention having marketable skills in the event that your husband drains the bank accounts and leaves. Like, I'm glad that being a SAHM worked out for you, but there's aren't sufficient checks and balances in place for the scenario where you man abandons or financially abuses you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:55 PM
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they have already lobbied the government to force the ex-husband (or even boyfriend) to continue to pay them or face jail without a trial. Most owed child support is not paid. They do get paid and are guaranteed to continue to be paid even after their duties as a wife end. Alimony is awarded in only about 10% of cases. And while you get half of the marital assets (hopefully), you won't get half the earning potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:52 PM
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People respond to incentives. It's not unreasonable to do what's necessary in the short term for the benefit of the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:47 PM
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With non-SAHM women. Or non-parent men/households. Though that would get tricky really fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:45 PM
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The money gained from working outside the home can be leveraged in ways that home-labor cannot. It's why financial abuse is a thing and "SAHM labor" abuse is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:44 PM
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That's called indentured servitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:42 PM
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Stay with other women? The other SAHM women who would be striking and also have no money? Plenty of women are not SAHMs. It's not a presumption that children can be used against their mothers... It's how parents tend to feel about their kids. The good ones, anyway. And yet motherhood is taken for granted and not rewarded in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:42 PM
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With other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:40 PM
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Much like any other job, the “benefits” are dictated by your employer. Unlike other jobs, there are no labor protections for being a SAHM. There’s also always the option of not being a SAHM. Sure, but women needing to work two jobs (1 paid and 1 being a mom) is part of why the birth rates are tanking so hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:40 PM
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And how are the SAHMs supposed to afford to stay somewhere else if they're striking against the person who makes the money? Stay with other women, The government won't care. It'd take a very, very long time to see sustained results from such a strike. Sure, but it's better than doing nothing. And most SAHMs don't actually want to put their child at risk of neglect because they, you know, love them. The presumption that a child can be endlessly leveraged against its mother is a decent chunk of wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:37 PM
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Presumably as a small percentage of whatever compensation they receive as a result of union action.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:35 PM
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Women have strong reasons to be cautious around men. "Well, it's also men who protect women." Exactly. Protect them from who? It's funny because men don't even protect women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:53 AM
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Except most of that shitting on comes from your actions, not just speaking words in conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:00 PM
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As we all know, a woman being with you out of economic necessity is what it means to be genuinely desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 09:58 PM
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Women are shat on from all sides their whole lives when they dare have wants. You do what you want? You're an idiot and a horrible person. You follow the life script and get burned? Well that's your fault you stupid sheep. You try and articulate your wants? Any guy you talk to tries to negotiate it as far as it can go without a second thought. If only women had the same privilege that men do to act like psychopaths without anything resembling consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 09:47 PM
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And if we had a DNA database for all male DNA, we'd be able to make the right man pay immediately!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:10 AM
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How many women abandon their kids compared to men again?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:13 AM
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We don't consider what we're saying "an opinion" when we point out the percentage of the population of men that earn a certain amount, or is of a given height, etc... You also don't consider how much it costs to support a family on a single income or the percentage of dads that are behind on child support, clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:08 AM
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“all the awful men out there” There are plenty. “how there’s no good men anymore” Bro when were they ever good. Like is there some corner of the internet algorithms where men are fed videos of women crying that men used to be good and now they aren't or something??? There's a reason why the female side of social media keeps harping on about women having their own money.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:52 AM
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And yet that unflattering caricature you provided is self-selecting herself out of the dating pool. Which is more than can be said of her male equivalents.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:49 AM
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Is your point here for all cases or is those where men mean themselves as the reasonable standard? Why does it have to be one or the other? There's a lot of the latter, but that doesn't mean it's aaaaaaall cases. That would just be silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:36 AM
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No they dont. If youre into big titties you dont stop looking for big titties when the first pair cheated on you. Or you think to yourself "hmmmm, maybe I need more criteria met to be in a relationship than big titties. People vary greatly in their personalities, and not considering this very important factor may lead to me getting burned again later". If men think "unga bunga boobah goooood" and nothing more, that's their problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:33 AM
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I don’t believe you How much makeup do men wear again? And which sex takes better care of their health? The amount of effort is less important than the outcome. Just because you made the effort to dress up a pig and put lipstick on it, that doesn’t translate to it being higher value. And yet more intentional effort leads to better outcomes more often than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:27 AM
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Sure, but they also have to understand that all that does is contribute to the notion that men are manipulative unreliable liars.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:24 AM
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Traits that indicate that you're sociable, self-sufficient, and can be relied upon. Unfortunately, though, there's not much you can do to predict a man having a midlife crisis and dumping all life's responsibilities on you before they split.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:23 AM
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I have no problem saying that there's a lot of dysfunction in the modern female psyche too. But far more women have the self awareness to not pass on that dysfunction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:13 AM
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So, the behavior of modern women makes sense, but only if we take an incredibly misandrist view of men in general. Well what else are you going to do? Get tricked and then blamed for it even though the man was dishonest? Even then, what is it about liking tall men with pretty faces that makes women "less likely to be screwed over"? Good looks don't exist in a vacuum. The young ladies dumb enough to fall for just charm generally learn their lesson after they get burned.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:11 AM
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Or it turns out that the chosen men were often lying. Which is a bigger issue. Since it feeds back into the idea that men are inherently dishonest, so then women raise their standards even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:04 AM
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while women’s views are skewed to where below average women are too good for regular ass men. Below average women put more effort into themselves than average men. The slogans are certainly there. Some dudes’ scarcity mentality prevents them from doing what they know is better for them. If only they followed it instead of looking to be a part of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:52 PM
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Because modern men are the worst of both worlds, where they're emotionally dysfunctional like their forefathers, but not even able to reliably perform "men's work".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:48 PM
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Meeting those standards does make them easier to live with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:46 PM
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A good partner is better than no partner, sure. But a bad partner is worse than no partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:42 PM
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This isn't true. Of course it's not. Men don't wanna date fatties, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:41 PM
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Pretty much. And it's better to be alone than with someone who doesn't meet them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:38 PM
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Women are increasingly choosing being single over being in shitty relationships. I'll be very surprised if the narrative 30 years becomes "Ladies we were wrong! We shouldn't have overestimated our value!!! We're miserable and have nothing to show for our lives but cats!!!!!!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:32 PM
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Are you smelling burnt toast, by any chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:17 PM
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Modern people are taught to presume everyone is malicious by default. That doesn't mean that people actually are malicious, but you're not going to get any sympathy if you're hurt by one of the few bad actors.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:21 PM
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I think a woman's loved ones see the idea of helping her as less urgent than if she were a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:24 AM
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And will as such get a village out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:20 PM
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Tbh this comment could be a PPD post in its own right.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:05 PM
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You're free to make your own post saying that, if you'd like.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:03 PM
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Yes. This is why children raised by single fathers have better outcomes than those raised by single mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:03 PM
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And that there are no women in his life to pick up the slack.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:52 PM
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That a very strong point be made when the concept is taken to its logical conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:51 PM
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They can always refuse to help if they don't like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:48 PM
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You don't have to be biologically related to be the parent that steps up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:47 PM
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Men used their girlfriends as a replacement mom for their kids, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:46 PM
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This is PPD. There is rarely evidence presented, and the presented studies are often wildly misinterpreted.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:45 PM
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Because it's better to have multiple women to help raise the kid instead of making one woman do it all by herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:44 PM
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Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:42 PM
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Then women can fight for custody if they want it that bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:42 PM
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Why would men and not women have family to help ? Because bad outcomes for a single mom's kids are considered a moral failing on her part. Dads are viewed as less competent, so the village steps in to prevent far worse outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:41 PM
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Priority is whats best for the kid, Yeah, but we live in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:38 PM
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A noble ideal, but good luck making men actually do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:36 PM
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Kids are supposed to be raised by their parents. And yet they're often only raised by one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:35 PM
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But the issue is that mothers of the children will be charged if they dont protect the children from neglect or abuse by the father. Not if he has full custody. Men are more likely to remarry and have another woman. Single dads don't really have as much issues finding a replacement partner. Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:33 PM
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Where are you getting the idea that men have more people in their lives willing to help them than women do? Because if men are viewed as incompetent as parents, then people will step up for the sake of the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:32 PM
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would we not expect mothers to petition for joint or primary custody themselves, in most cases? Sure, and the man would have to be proven a bad parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:29 PM
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Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:29 PM
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Hell yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:28 PM
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Also a man shouldn’t feel entitled to dump his kids on the women around him that’s poor behavior I have no idea why you’d encourage that. Because it's a village of multiple women instead of just a singular women. The problem isn’t that men aren’t getting to see their kids the problem is that they don’t want to. Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:28 PM
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Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:27 PM
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Men with primary custody get a village. Women with primary custody get zilch. That's why it makes more sense to give primary custody to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:26 PM
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or is being restricted from seeing em It's rare that they actually are. Most of the time it's just the man making excusing while refusing to be an active parent. Then there is child support. Where every man overpays by a lot, by law, to the mother, where only some of it goes to the child The woman would be paying child support in this scenario. Also, dont you automatically have joint custody unless the mother specifically fights for full custody? (This is an actual question, I dont know) It vari…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:25 PM
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I feel like you're not aware that I already know this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:21 PM
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Oh I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:20 PM
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But the village will step up for men in a way it won't for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:16 PM
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Well that's just living in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:14 PM
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That would be ideal, but good luck stopping men from playing child neglect chicken.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:13 PM
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Then they can fight it and lose the ability to say "waaaaah, she's keeping me from my kids".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:12 PM
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The question is: Does men want the children? Do the women? A lot of kids are born out of a sense of taking responsibility. So the men should take responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:11 PM
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If women are so valuable, then why does nearly every culture across human history prefer having sons?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:34 PM
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The answer to all your points is that disproving paternity is not proving intention to commit fraud. People who commit infidelity are dumb, but not necessarily malicious. Punishing them all as if they were definitely malicious doesn't make sense and reeks of wanting to punish women specifically (since it would take a lot of hoop jumping for a man to be able to force false paternity).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:59 PM
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Nope. Men need to get over the fact that reality isn't ones and zeros. The modern world was built on the presumption that men are the only people that are actually people, and that any female-specific struggles are to be ignored and denied until it's no longer possible. The results of this way of thinking still affect women even now.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:00 PM
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It would require a super high bar of evidence to clear: That she and the victim were married when the child was conceived. That she specifically went out of her way to get pregnant by another man. That she specifically chose the victim with the intention of making him provide resources under false pretenses. That the child wasn't conceived via fertility treatments or donor sperm. That the child wasn't conceived via rape. If these criteria are met (and more), then she should pay financial damages…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:52 PM
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…they get preferential treatment in education, training, hiring, and promotions Perhaps men should start acting like women then, if it comes with so many benefits. until they voluntarily take months at a time off for their personal choices. Paternity leave should be a thing too, though men often refuse it in places it is offered.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:38 PM
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Kids need handouts and women are the default primary caregiver.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:15 PM
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It's called arguing on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:14 PM
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Yeah. Because it's considered good to act like a man and bad to act like a woman (until a woman task needs to be done, of course - then women are horrible people for not doing it).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:14 PM
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If you say so, bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:12 PM
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Women have it easier. That's why men hate the idea of being treated like a woman or being compared to women or acting like a woman. Because it's such a good deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:30 PM
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Draft, for one, e.g. Ukraine. Ah yes, the draft. Something made at a policy level (outside the control of individuals) that nearly every single male using it as an argument will never have to experience being used against them. You don't live on Earth, it seems. The tanking birth rates say otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:38 PM
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But it is one of the reasons women are valued over men, which is what your post is about. Except having a uterus gives you neither leverage nor better treatment nor anything you can reasonably exchange its use for. Men crowing about a uterus having value conveniently forget to mention that women can't use or benefit from that that purported "value" in any way. Having a uterus doesn't make people treat you well. Being good, looking, sociable, and emotionally intelligent makes people treat you wel…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:34 PM
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You literally said "Having a uterus is not a skill.". Nowhere in my post did I say that having a uterus is a skill. You can declare that women are appreciated for "inherent qualities", but that's wrong because most of those qualities aren't actually inherent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:14 PM
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I see you didn't read the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:51 PM
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Give incels VR headsets and let them live in the matrix. Problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:55 PM
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How many women were blamed for getting sick when someone else didn't wear a mask?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:48 PM
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It's almost as if making women live in fear is the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:17 PM
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Clearly the solution, then, is to invent gene therapy to remove one X chromosome from every women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:04 PM
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Not to the point that it makes sense for women to be 80% of the people with autoimmune disorders.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:03 PM
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Unprecedented choice, freedom and advocacy, yet so much depression, stress, anxiety and autoimmune disorders. There would be just as much isolation if they were still financially chained to men. Probably even more so since men would be able to even prevent online discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:01 PM
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Society expects from you a lot more than from women. Society gives you gold stars and asspats for not neglecting the fuck out of your own kids You should earn a lot, if you don't you are a disgrace. Women are blamed for the consequences of not having a career. And called gold diggers if they want a good quality of life. You should be stoic, if you are not you are winny shit. Women are presumed irrational harpies by default. You are not allowed to be weak as a man. Women are punished for being an…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:59 PM
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History is rife with men dismissing women's suffering as in-built inferiority. Men also eat like shit more. They do drugs and have unhealthy lifestyles more. They also find themselves working with heavy metals more (industry and working with machinery). And yet they don't have the similar autoimmune disorder rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:47 PM
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I wonder why that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:37 PM
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are generally more neurotic (stress) That's literally what this post is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:33 PM
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However, there seems to be an issue that is inherent in having these two Xs that make us more vulnerable to autoimmune disorders. Is there a way to separate having two Xs from just being a woman? I agree that it's multifactorial, though, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:32 PM
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As we all know, men specifically explode if they suffer as much as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:30 PM
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>Implying that men actually listen to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:27 PM
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It's better to live longer if you're suffering the whole time, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:26 PM
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I didn't realize that being pathologized for being unable to meet unreasonable expectation was a form of hunting for a husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:25 PM
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I look forward to the equivalent post being made poste-haste.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:18 PM
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Exhibit A.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:17 PM
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This can be applied to any argument if you push hard enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:12 PM
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It's multifactorial, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:11 PM
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I'm not surprised seeing as how much "science" throughout history was men looking to fellate their egos about "how much better they are" than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:06 PM
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Women can’t deal with stress like men. I'm sure men wouldn't like it very much if women started punching holes in the drywall and beating them when their favorite sports team loses.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:02 PM
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Hahahahaha OP doesn't think that men regularly take advantage of women they purport to help hahahahahaha.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:53 PM
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What do you call it when a man punches a hole in the drywall during an argument? Facts and logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:55 AM
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I think as much as you're saying that men as a class are unworthy of sexual consideration because they are, what seems to either mean on average or in some kind of large majority, incapable, incompetent, disorganized, lazy and assholes is total fucking nonsense and not worth engaging with. It's enough of the population that women have to plan around it. Women who wind up with incapable, incompetent, disorganized, lazy assholes are blamed for choosing them. If these types of men were as rare as y…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:21 AM
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I'm not sure what you're trying to go for by swapping the genders. I think it's true with the genders swapped. The reality, though, is that men are more likely to try and shirk their responsibilities than women are. while also having their husbands tolerate their mere existence Curious why this is the only thing you changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:50 AM
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They can traffic women manipulate laws and inflict mass trauma and remain completely untouchable. Women cannot punish them. Women cannot stop them. You say this as if men can. Simply put, no matter how high a woman is, there is a man above her in some way. and this reality they cant accept Apex fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:37 AM
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Well I think you’re saying women want something, but not when it comes with shit. Totally fair. But they still want that thing in a way that men don’t is my point. Men love to think they'd like being objectified tho. I think you can replace the “when it benefits them” in the title of the post with “when it doesn’t harm them.” And the general gist of the post is true. Nah. Because they don't want the objectification of being treated like sexual objects outside of extremely specific circumstances …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:49 PM
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Except fantasies imply a controlled setting with someone you trust and desire, not some jackass at the bus stop trying to hit on you when all you're trying to do is get to work. Like, I get what your trying to say, but kind of devil's advocate doesn't make sense as a response to my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:25 PM
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"Sex is a two-person sport" and "the logistics of day-to-day life will exist regardless of whether or not you choose to acknowledge it" is what it means. Men need to satisfy their partner (though it goes both ways, of course). If they don't, why would their wives want to have sex with them? Chores need to be done, appointments need to be made, and bills need to be paid. If the wife has to be the only one thinking of these thing (because she can't rely on her husband to do anything without being …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:13 PM
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Grid pls, you're a few months late for April Fool's Day. That said: If men want to have sex so badly, the least they can do is make it something that their wives actively look forward to. And make their lives easy enough that there aren't 5 billion things running through their heads at once.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:55 PM
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No, you're trying to equate things that aren't equivalent. Being arrested and tried for a crime doesn't mean that you'll be found guilty (because it's "innocent until proven guilty"). Being harassed, assaulted, and raped means that those things actually happened to you. You can't just undo them in a court of law.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:18 PM
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Men like the idea of being objectified because they don't think it'll come with any consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:13 PM
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Or we could give male objectification its own name to distinguish it from female objectification. Male objectification (if we go by your examples) leads to men being perceived with caution. Female objectification leads to women being threatened. They are not the same, and trying to pretend they're equivalent is tone deaf at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:07 PM
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Then it deserves its own conversation, sure. But it's dumb to try and use that as a cudgel to diminish how awful it is for women to experience their own objectification.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:54 PM
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There are instances of women sexually harassing men too. Neither issue are anywhere near as common as when men do it, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:48 PM
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Lots of women are objectified even though they are 3s and 4s… Yes. And it's horrible. hey still have a dude who will invest in them because he wants sex. He'll fuck them if they're easy, sure. But he's not going to waste his time actually courting them, be real.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:43 PM
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Women in islamic countries aren't even considered people and they don't have the legal rights afforded to their male peers. Literally where would this conversation be able to be had there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:11 PM
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It's literally not, though. Obscenity laws exist as a bound to curtail people flying off the deep end. People shouldn't be walking around buck-ass naked. But make-up and well-fitting clothes aren't anywhere near that extreme. Especially if you grew up around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:09 PM
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The amount of women who get objectified even when they're not gorgeous says otherwise. Which is the majority of women who get objectified. Very very few women get to reap benefits from being objectified. Men, laughably, refuse to acknowledge this even though this conversation has existed for decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:04 PM
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Men have no control over the effect of being visually “hit” with a beautiful woman when we are trying to get coffee. Literally what is the consequence for a man seeing a beautiful woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:55 PM
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To stop whining about harassment, poor treatment, and being turned into a pariah while not being able to do anything about it? That's fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:53 PM
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People like things that benefit them when the benefits far outweigh the downsides. News at 11. Men would hate objectification too if it usually came with harassment, poor treatment, and being turned into a pariah while not being able to do anything about it. But since men don't receive those consequences, they don't understand that other people do receive those consequences. They're notably lacking in Theory of Mind, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:44 PM
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It's not advertised as much because it's far more normalized. It's why we have the term "confirmed bachelor", after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:40 PM
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Congratulations, beauty is now the only "skill" that receives immediate recognition without requiring any demonstration. The beauty is literally the demonstration what are you talking about. If an attractive woman receives attention primarily because of her genetics It's extremely rare that it is her genetics and literally nothing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:32 AM
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Now think about the last time you did a double-take when an attractive woman walked by. So a woman who put tons of effort into cultivating her appearance. Which takes effort to develop the skills for. Think about any time a woman in your social circle had your attention and investment because she "was". Because she cultivated the relationship and cultivated the skill of emotional intelligence in order to be a good friend. That doesn't mean their life is easy or that beauty doesn't require work. …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:53 AM
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Those qualities are celebrated across media, advertising, schools, workplaces, and even holidays. Notice how you didn't say individual women in their individual lives. I also don't think your comparison with male-coded skills really holds. A lot of men would argue that their contributions are treated as obligations rather than achievements. They're rewarded in ways that female-coded skills aren't. Saying women develop valuable skills doesn't establish that society broadly ignores or undervalues …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:42 AM
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Communal settings where it's expected that people meet one another, as opposed to the grocery store.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:37 AM
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Since far more women put far more effort into their appearance than men do, it stands to reason, then, that that attractiveness would be taken for granted. Also that the "average" women are more attractive than the "average" men because of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:25 AM
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Your conclusion is that women's efforts generally go unrecognized, but that doesn't logically follow from what we see in many areas of public life. A few token viral posts every once in a while doesn't sudden that women's labor is recognized on a widespread level A skill requiring effort doesn't automatically mean society fails to appreciate it. Of course. After all, male-coded skills are very appreciated.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:05 AM
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Are you saying that there are no gendered skills, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:53 PM
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Men are also valued for their looks and it actually has more of an effect on men's socioeconomic advancement than women. Because men overall put less effort into their appearance, which means it benefits them more when they do. Most people don't actively work to be a good parent, male or female, you do pick up skills as you raise them but it isn't a thing women are actively working to build especially when majority of young women these days are unsure or out right don't want children. Even emoti…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:51 PM
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What are the skills that women get credit for that men don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:35 PM
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You literally do not have to approach women you've never met before.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:32 PM
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Sure, but most women aren't going to be so ugly that even amazing makeup skills can't save them. That's like, a subsest of a subset.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:17 PM
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I agree with the premise but your examples are almost insulting. Fair enough. I think your example makes sense as a female-coded skill that isn't recognized as a skill too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:08 PM
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OP's being beautiful is so much more difficult and important of a "skill" than being a lineman or underwater welder It literally isn't, though. You're just putting words in my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:00 PM
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Assertiveness, decisiveness, """logic""". Men can learn female-coded skills too. It doesn't change the cultural reality of gendered skills, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:59 PM
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Try being a man who displays emotion the same way as the average woman Displaying emotion like a woman isn't inherently emotional intelligence. or who wants to go into a career like childcare or primary school teaching Try being a woman who wants to go into the trades. That said, I'm focusing on skills, not individual careers. I think focusing on careers warrants its own post. Society might not shun you but you're never going to be top of a male friends list unless you mask very well Putting asi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:39 PM
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Sure they do. A skilled man is a skilled man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:25 PM
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it’s that attraction from guys isn’t as related to the skill set itself as much as the outcome it produces. Because men take it for granted and don't want to recognize the effort it took to get there. It's why so many men crow about preferring "natural beauty". They don't. They want a woman they don't have to recognize as having put effort into herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:22 PM
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My point is that both men and women act, it's just that men are recognized for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:19 PM
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I'm not sure how you reading my post made you come to that response. My point is that both men and women act, it's just that men are recognized for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:18 PM
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If women are to be clowned on for not seeing through the aforementioned men, then yes. If women have to assume that every man trying to approach her is trying to fuck her, and also have to brace themselves for the inevitable hostility that comes with that man interacting with her, then any man approaching them should be considered that type of person. Why do you want to make a woman's day worse? Just leave her alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:22 PM
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Men will get hostile if you entertain a conversation with you if you don't bring up that you have a boyfriend ASAP. (Because as far as men are concerned, men would never strike up a conversation with a female stranger if he wasn't trying to fuck her; so of course she's wasting his time because she "should already know this".) Of course, men also get fussy when you do say you have a boyfriend too, because you're telling them you see right through them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:35 PM
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Nothing is more insufferable than a man "suffering in silence". (Because if he actually was, he wouldn't be taking it out on the people around him.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:54 AM
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Of course. That's why women in relationships do more hours in chore labor per week than single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:30 AM
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If a man says he’s struggling with his health or mental issues, it’s generally a cold “go the therapy” or “life is hard you need to push thru it”. Because giving sympathy to men leads to men thinking that their problems are now your responsibility to fix. And lord help you if you expect anything resembling reciprocity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:46 PM
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Treated like they're horrible people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:07 PM
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I actually agree with you that women aren't properly socialized. However, it's because they're pathologized from a young age for acting like kids. Women who act like negative stereotypes are hella dysfunctional.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:45 PM
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They would try to reap all the benefits they see women as having and then quickly get smacked by reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:33 PM
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Hahahahaha no. It's because women aren't seen as capable of being a meaningful threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:40 PM
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And coincidentally one that's never used in reference to how women are treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:09 PM
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Men see the "small group of women", the most high value women, as the only women that actually exist as options. Men do not want ugly women. Men do not want poor women. Men do not want old women. Men do not want disabled women. Men do not want women with kids. The list goes on. Men with exclude these options as if it's axiomatically justified, but then bitch that the women they want would ever have the same standards. It's male solipsism at its finest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 08:00 PM
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A man constantly has the option to cheat. A baby, however, is only generated from its DNA once.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:18 AM
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WOMEN CAN TIME TRAVEL???
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:16 AM
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You have conveniently ignored the part where you can use your big boy words to tell give your future baby momma that exact paragraph BEFORE you knock her up. Also: Requesting citation on that supposed City in Mexico paternity study. Google's not giving me anything. those babies should be protected to with genetic screening to protect the baby and rube who is being conned into being a parent unwittingly. Literally how is the baby being protected in any way by having a paternity test done. I would…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:36 AM
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What even is this reply???
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:20 AM
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Except you can't retroactively change the DNA of your kid. You CAN, however, start beating the tar out of your wife whenever you feel like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:19 AM
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That's my problem with men. They don't. Ain't that a fucking lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:14 AM
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Except that going out of your way to meet a man to impregnate you for the express purpose of making your husband raise a kid that's not his is fucking insane. Someone who would do that is a horrible person. Why would you be with someone who you think is the type of person to do that? And if you're otherwise so paranoid about the possibility, why are you not telling her you want a DNA test before you knock her up? This is basic communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:02 AM
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How much "planning and foresight" does it take to think "Hm.... I want to start a family, but I have a hangup about paternal certainty that is not normal and has no basis in reality to my knowledge. I will tell my wife I want a paternity test beforehand so we don't wind up with a broken family later."? How stupid do you think men are? Don't have kids with women you think are unfaithful. This should be obvious. If you know you have that hangup even if you otherwise trust your wife, it's your resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:56 AM
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Then tell the woman you wanna make your babymama that before you knock her up. It's literally that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:46 AM
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Would you also take it as a compliment if your insecure girlfriend constantly makes you give her your phone to look through? She "knows other women want you", after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:37 AM
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It absolutely is about her. Because she likely wouldn't have had that kid if you'd been upfront about wanting a DNA test beforehand. She altered the course of her life because you wanted to be dishonest. And you're trying minimize the fact that she altered the course of her life to bring a child into the world. You're just a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:33 AM
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It's none of her fucking business. It literally involves a child the two of you are going to make. Yes it's her business. That's like a man saying why didn't she say she wouldn't get an abortion before she slept with me. You literally should communicate about that too. Communicating about that is not unreasonable. Why are you not communicating about things like this. Bro it's her right to get an abortion and it's your right to get a dna test. It's between the child and father. Mother need to sto…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:27 AM
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Why did you not tell her that you would want a DNA test before you knocked her up? If you tell her you want one beforehand and she gets mad, you can literally choose not to have a kid with her. You can then find someone to have a kid with who will be okay with it. It's completely reasonable for her to be pissed when you tell her "Yeah, I know you spent the last 9 months gestating our child with all the body changes that come with it, but I think you're a cheating whore. Take this DNA test."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:04 AM
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And what does the female empowerment industry actually sell? Making your own money so you can do what your want on your own terms instead of having to negotiate with your husband about how much of that thing you actually deserve. Like, the biggest thing your missing here is that lots of men will be financially abusive if given the opportunity. And they will certainly have the opportunity if they're the only ones that actually have an income stream. And that aside, the QoL a man will be happy wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:35 AM
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That was COMPLETELY their choice. 18+ years and havent learnt a semblance of social skills? Havent tried at age 5,7,10,12,14,16,18,20? When your innocent faux pas are are met with disproportionate hostility from a young age, and no one ever tries to explain anything to you, it's not unreasonable to not understand. It's like if you didn't learn to read because all anyone did was yell at you for not knowing to read. When can it just be a person’s fault? That I'm not sure on. I think the age of maj…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:51 PM
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The problem is that men don't actually care about these issues. They'll bring them up to shut down conversations about female issues, but rare are the male-made male-led initiatives to actually help these victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:24 PM
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That guy who cornered you, he is basically running on instinct My wife was the same, say things, and do things without thinking about how it would make me feel or how i would react. Hahahaha imagine unironically believing these things are in any way comparable. Like, holy shit. One example literally puts someone in danger, and the other is nothing more than hurt feelings. How is this not apparent to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:18 PM
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Socializing and making friends. That's way too nebulous a solution for someone with no actual frame of reference to go off of. The problem is these guys rarely can keep friends because they’re jackasses. To learn, you have to be humble. Consequences keep trying to humble these people, and they refuse to be humble. Being humble alone isn't going magically give someone the social calibration to handle balancing being sociable with holding boundaries. If anything, it would just send them from the j…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:08 PM
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We do, they just don’t want to take it because they’re spoiled and coddled. Could you list what some of them are, please? The closest thing I can think of is enlisting in the military.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:30 PM
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But you can still observe the world around you while being emotionally neglected. Only a limited amount when you're kept indoors only get to interact with people outside your immediate family in very specific instances. A lot of them don’t want to learn. Especially because not only were they emotionally neglected, they were also spoiled and coddled. So we’re dealing with someone who doesn’t know anything and has the maturity of an angry toddler who swears they know everything. I actually don't d…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:28 PM
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Counterpoint: Young men in the modern age (and young women as well, for that matter) were often emotionally neglected as kids. And they were often isolated as well, so they didn't have years of compounded small interactions like previous generations did. Kids don't manifest their emotional milestones out of the ether. If you don't get care, understanding, and guidance when you're little, you're far more likely to come to conclusions that polite society would consider batshit insane. And by the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 03:49 PM
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Rape rate is like 30 per 100k people. The actual number? Or the number of convictions? Rapists pretty much never get convicted for it. I can find you random TikTok’s of guys getting beat up, that’s about as useful as your anecdotes Except women get stranger danger drilled into them from elementary school until menopause. This wouldn't be the case if it didn't happen. Or are you claiming that it's not based in reality (even though it's often men who are forcing that idea)?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:25 AM
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That's a false equivalence and you know it. SA is common to the point that everyone knows multiple women who have been SA'd. SA is so common that preventing it is drilled into little girls before they hit puberty by default. "Getting reported"? "Getting beat up by male bystanders?" Pretty much non-existent. So rare, in fact, that you almost certainly don't know anyone it's actually happened to. Trying to equate these things is just insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:14 PM
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Thinking you have charisma doesn't mean you actually have charisma.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:39 PM
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You can exhibit charisma while still having a bad personality. You clearly don't have charisma. Charisma can be a smokescreen to hide your true personality, and it's something abusers often employ. If you're naturally unpleasant to be around, and aren't obfuscating your personality, it's reasonable to presume that your personality is the problem. That said, bad luck in dating is multifactorial. If you're here, your personality is certainly a massive factor; but could be other issues, like how yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:15 AM
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Rare The key point here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 11:46 PM
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Aaaaaand what's the non-physical risk to men again?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 09:39 PM
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Well that's just flat-out wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 09:39 PM
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Degendering expectations doesn't remove those expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 09:38 PM
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So we should presume that men are large, ape-shaped jellyfish in general???
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:53 AM
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Except men aren't doing both the male and female aspects of dating???
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:49 AM
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If the women have to do both the male and female aspects of dating, what's left for men to do? Should women just presume that men are large, ape-shaped jellyfish?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:00 AM
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"High risk" my ass. Where's the physical risk for men again?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:16 AM
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Literally goomba fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:12 AM
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Now, when we exclusively look at real life scenarios, we'll arrive at the conclusion that most men simply don't catch women's interest at all. Why? They're not attractive enough. Not successful enough. Not rich enough. Not far up enough on the social hierarchy. Sooooo women don't act like anime love interests and you see that as a them problem. Protip: Metrics like attractiveness and success have to be insanely optimized if you want to bypass the basic necessity of being someone they like being …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 11:05 PM
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What a shame that men are so useless by default that their usefulness has to be a consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:07 PM
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No. Women would benefit because men would definitively have to pay women to raise their kids (because we know that men won't do it themselves).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:50 AM
3

"Starting" to parrot? Are you new here?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:49 AM
3

The fun thing about female "power" is that it's only as "powerful" as a man saying "no". The average man can beat pretty much every woman alive to death with his bare hands. Women have no equivalent to this. This can exist in conjunction with the notion that there are benefits to society that skew female. You're just conflating power with worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:52 PM
2

What percentage of relevant instances do you believe result in consequences for the men in question? I believe it would be less than 5% at most. Realistically, it would be less than 1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:19 PM
2

Only rarely, and nothing that actually sticks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:09 PM
2

If men internalize the message that they may be viewed as threatening by default, then naturally some men will become more hesitant socially. That is just cause and effect. Yes, and it's a reasonable trade-off. Women still overwhelmingly expect men to initiate romance in real life regardless of politics. Even if that's the case, men can choose not to do that if it's really so bad. Men are still judged more harshly for cowardice, passivity, weakness, lack of ambition, inability to provide, or fai…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:06 PM
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Thats the crazy part, woman basicly expect men to risk there life for them without giving anything back Except a man can always say "I'm not doing that. This is your problem to deal with.", and he will never face any consequences for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:21 PM
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I do not care if women take precautions around dangerous people. Everybody takes precautions around danger. The issue here is that danger sometimes only makes itself known when it's too late for you to do anything about it. That's why blanket precautions are taken. If men are supposedly these terrifying unpredictable predators at all times, then why are men still expected to confidently approach women romantically in public? Why are men still expected to initiate dates, flirt, approach strangers…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:15 PM
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Yeah! Via constitutional carry.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:00 PM
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Perhaps men shouldn't shame women for taking precautions around them, then. Men see other men as Schrodinger's predator. If a woman is harassed or assaulted, men tell her she's to blame for supposedly not taking enough precautions (because "she should've known that all men are potential predators"). If a woman takes precautions to keep herself safe, men get offended at the notion that they personally could ever possibly be counted in the predator group (because "I'm a niiiiice guuuuuy").
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:51 PM
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how are they going to get with a woman if they don’t do anything the woman wants? Find ones with low self esteem and no support system and then apply pressure. isn’t the consequence of losing the woman the reason why men do everything to keep the relationship? Not if what you want is a women who's too afraid to ask for anything in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:05 PM
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Nowadays? Poor long-term planning, low self-esteem, and being raised to see it as a good idea, I guess. Most women don't choose the tradwife lifestyle nowadays, though. And for good reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:30 PM
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Men can refuse to pay for dates if they want to and won't face any consequences. Men can refuse to put any effort into their relationship and won't face any consequences. Men can cheat and won't face any consequences. The only "consequence" men face is losing their relationship. Which clearly isn't a big deal to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:28 PM
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a relationship is a net loss for a man it’s responsibility. it comes with a loss of money. loss of time/energy. and you are stuck with one person And yet there are no real consequences for men who fail to live up to those "responsibilities".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:22 PM
18

As we all know, women benefit greatly from having no earning potential and giving men unchecked financial leverage over them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:18 PM
3

Unwanted children are a net drain on society. If you know that your "child" is unwanted, better to deal with it sooner than later.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:31 PM
1

Are you about to argue that shared culpability mean that the man is entirely blameless?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:28 PM
6

Bro, the general idea of "feet" isn't a common male fetish?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:25 PM
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No. Because safety doesn't guarantee orgasms.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 11:19 PM
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Women don’t care about men’s orgasms either… Women suck dick far more than men eat out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:25 AM
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About men, certainly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:15 AM
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It literally is. It literally isn't. Otherwise the orgasm gap wouldn't exist. The orgasm gap exists because men don't care about women's pleasure. But if you continue to sleep with the same man who has 15 women on his roster, he has 0 incentives to care about you or your pleasure. Literally why would you keep sleeping with a guy like that if he can't even do his one job right. Man the levels of dehumanization are insane. Yet I'm not wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:08 AM
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It's exactly as important as men can get away with arguing for without sounding like psychopaths. It's so important that men will kill for it (never the man arguing it personally, though). It's so important that men were "justified" in barring women from having rights (though of course that's in the past now). It's so important that women are mean, rude, and unfair for having standards (but something something cock carousel). If sex were as important as men love to cry about, the orgasm gap woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 12:30 AM
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It allowed men to hone their skills that were to bring better yield to the home and make their survival chances overall higher. Notice how he doesn't specify what these "skills" are. Presumably because none of them are things that have to be done every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:47 PM
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Only if all male DNA is accessible in a database to compare it to. We wouldn't want errant babydaddies to be getting out of child support, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:52 AM
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If every guy mysteriously comes to the the conclusion that the relationship "isn't for them" the exact moment after they get laid, then most of them are lying. It's basic statistics. No one's going to know if you're the super special case when your reactions are no different than the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:12 PM
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Yeah. because they're pathologized from a young age for exhibiting childlike behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:48 PM
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My whole point was that "girls are mature" has some basis in reality, but is taken to absolutely insane conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:50 AM
2

See the entire OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:01 AM
2

Male students would still be behind in behavioral development. Or it would even out because the girls would, y'know, be not forced to mature before they're ready.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:15 PM
1

You can do that while being clear about your intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:07 PM
1

While I like the idea that everyone should individually discuss every facet of what they want in life, I also understand that the reality that the human population needs continue procreating at sustainable rates if we don't want to go extinct. On a more macro level, people should be taught what goes into making a happy, healthy, well-adjusted kid (whether or not that's the path they choose). Same with what's needed for a healthy relationship. While, like I said earlier, people shouldn't be railr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:40 PM
1

Guess who could counter this supposed fighting if they really cared that much? Starts with an M.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:37 PM
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Yeah. Merging lives, taking the responsibility of making each other's lives easier, and coparenting kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:52 PM
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The solution does seem to be to hold those male students back a year so they can gain maturity and behavioral regulation. We could also make the default school-starting age one year later for everyone. Which would be a lot simpler. Coddling young men doesn't seem to work and can actually backfire as boys freak out when they don't get all their extra behavioral supports in the real world. Coddling young women doesn't help either. The best method is always to have expectations and standards and ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:52 PM
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Aaaaaaand there it is. The presumption that because a woman has some culpability in how her relationship turns out, men are therefore entirely blameless. If a man lies or makes excuses for being a shitty partner, him acting that way is his fault, and he holds most of the blame for the relationship sucking. The woman not leaving immediately does not absolve him of wrongdoing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:31 PM
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The "excuse" is "this is not what I want in a relationship, so I am therefore leaving". Which is something that everyone would be better off for if men adopted as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:45 PM
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Nah. If women are opting out over aggregate observations of unquantifiable behavior patterns, it's totally understandable. Because at some point, reality is just reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:43 PM
2

I think abused men deserve just as much support as abused women. I'm just also aware of biological realities. It's tricky to balance on a case-by-case basis, but men deserve mental support, justice for criminal victimization, and male-specific DV shelters.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:40 PM
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In which that video maker will be clowned on because they're mad that you were proactively communicative. Proactive communication is a green flag. Because no one is getting blindsided.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:33 PM
5

The societal default should be that if you're in a relationship with someone long enough, the plan is to eventually commit. This is because the default life path involves the continuation of the species (which requires a lot of commitment). People shouldn't be railroaded into the default life path if they don't want to be, but it's on them to communicate that ahead of time. That said, Tinder is for hookups, so the unspoken default presumption should be that you're not looking for anything seriou…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:30 PM
0

Nah, I'm right.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:24 PM
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Emotional dysfunction. Neglectful upbringing. No actual support system. There are a lot of potential reasons. Things seem to be going in the right direction (with more women calling out men's bullshit on visible platforms), but I think we still need a few generations to mostly ingrain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:24 PM
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Men think they can take a bear in a fight. What makes you think this arrogance DOESN'T extend to every other facet of their life?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:16 PM
1

Sure, but then these unfalsifiable excuses are also why women are mean, rude, and unfair for being mad when men are uncommunicative morons. If every man has this excuse when they do this, then none of them do. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:08 PM
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And men throw tantrums when they do and then don't get laid after. Literally just tell her you're doing separate checks/tabs before you even go out. Then you won't get "used". EZ.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:06 PM
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Yep. Men deserve no grace or understanding. Women should just leave at the first sign of immaturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:57 PM
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If they do the same thing, yes. But since women are the ones forced to consider the logistics of being in a relationship (while men crow about how virtuous they are for being willing to stick their dick in any woman given the opportunity), it happens far less often.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:50 PM
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Who says they aren't? Men just brush them off and don't listen. There's a reason that so many men cry about their girlfriends leaving "out of nowhere". Women need to leave at the first sign of this nonsense, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:43 PM
1

100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:35 PM
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A man lays a finger on a woman, he goes to jail. Very very rarely. And justice doesn't mean much when you're dead. Women batter their husbands and everyone laughs, including the progressives Mockery is unfortunate, but the husbands can, y'know, just walk away without taking much damage. Or they can just hit their wife back and tell the cops she started it (which then throws it into the realm of "he said she said".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:34 PM
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How convenient that men have a number of unfalsifiable excuses to fall back on when they refuse to communicate (while women get shit for not seeing through getting played). Anyway, next to narrative, no nuances, no individual exceptions are allowed to exist. People don't have a problem with nuance and exceptions in a vacuum. They have a problem with immature men trying to worm their way out of accountability by rules lawyering their situation into one of those special cases. Since there's nothin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:28 PM
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Boys get disciplined more than girls because they're more disruptive than girls because girls are pathologized from an early age if they do anything similar. That's my argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:20 PM
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in my experience boys simply were disciplined far more often and more harshly than girls. Granted, this was also because boys did stupid shit more often. That's the key factor here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:18 PM
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The boys were always punished more harshly than the girls for the same behavior Was it the same severity of behavior too? Even when I worked in a daycare for a few years, the difference with how the girls and boys were treated by the staff was noticeable, even if subtle. Was it the case even when the kid was new?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:15 PM
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Because impacting factors don't exist in a vacuum?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:52 PM
1

But there are more options to raising kids than beatings and psychological torture???
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:50 PM
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Not everything that exists can be measured by quantifiable metrics. If it was somehow proven that the difference in maturity is 100% socialization, I wouldn't have a problem with it because we would have something concrete to use. But I don't think it is, though I think that the difference is overstated to the point of insanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:22 PM
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The being beaten part? Where did I say that boys should be getting beaten???
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:19 PM
2

What do you even mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:15 PM
2

I'll be real, fam: I'm not sure how you came to that as a response to the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:09 PM
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It's certainly a good argument for sex-segregated schools.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:48 PM
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I get the kneejerk reaction to downplay that difference between boys and girls (since historically it's done nothing but make girls be held to unreasonable expectations with zero added benefits), but I don't think there's anything wrong with acknowledging it if it's done responsibly (which, let's be real, it usually isn't).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:47 PM
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And I do think some boys need to be disciplined more. There are disruptive kids and the parents try gentle parenting techniques that the kids ignore. In theory, gentle parenting involves firm boundaries, clear rules, and appropriate consequences for poor behavior. I agree with you though that a lot of parents just let the ipad raise their kids and then wonder why those kids have issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:32 PM
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girls, who are more suited to school environments They flounder less, but no one should be forced to stare at a whiteboard for 8 hours a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:01 PM
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They’re more agreeable, and less competitive. This drives them to conform with their environment faster. Whereas guys are more likely to want to compete in something independently. Sure, they can integrate life lessons a little faster than boys. But not enough to the point that they should be held to the standards they are. True. The term for the current generation is “iPad kids”. It’s hard to tell the difference between a sociable person with Asperger’s and an iPad kid with no neurodivergence. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:46 PM
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Kids in the olden days were not nearly as sedentary as kids are now. And they weren't nearly as isolated/neglected as they are now. I understand the logic of corporal punishment, but I'd hesitate to put it back on the menu. I think lectures have their place in education, but kids need projects and hands-on lessons where they can actually integrate what they're taught. This would be an endeavor in its own right, though. I do think introducing some more competitiveness into school might make some …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:44 PM
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If OP is trying to say that girls are only more mature because they are held to higher standards and punished more harshly than boys I do think girls have a bit more natural ability than boys, but not enough to justify punishing them (the girls) as harshly as they are. I also, in the same way, think it would be horrible to punish boys for not being able to lift heavy objects when they've had no training or guidance in lifting/handling heavy objects. For example, being able to not interrupt a con…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:25 PM
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My argument is that no one should be treated the way little girls are treated. Little boys shouldn't be treated that way either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:07 PM
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Why are you thinking about other people's opinions about you getting laid. You're getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:05 PM
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Girls being unable to meet unreasonable expectations does not make them defective.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:00 PM
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Not in the way a man can easily beat a woman to death. Be real.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:17 PM
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It's almost like men have used women being different against them since time immemorial. Acknowledging sex difference led to women to being paid less, treated with contempt, and considered unworthy of the rights that men take for granted.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:37 PM
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It's almost like it's not unreasonable to want some kind of leverage over a person who can beat you to death with their bare hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:19 PM
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It would require being in a high trust society with clear rules and defaults on how to proceed. Men don't want the responsibility of living in a high trust society, and they certainly don't want to be held accountable when they try and skirt said rules and defaults. So it has no place in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 01:07 AM
8

Your peak is when you're happiest in life. What value is people wanting to fuck you if it doesn't make you happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:58 AM
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Since it looks like you're only looking at an aggregate number without considering why that number is what it is, yes. I mean most things in life are just numbers. Not everything import is quantifiable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 12:49 AM
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But dick is cheap even when women get older. And guys are less creepy about it than they are with teenagers. Sounds like a win tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:33 AM
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Men being unable to comprehend nuance is not gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:19 AM
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What's inaccurate is that you're saying that money is the end-all be-all. Everyone needs a paycheck in the modern day, but men don't have to make six figures if they're otherwise good reliable responsible partners that pull their weight in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:13 AM
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Gosh. It's almost like men trying to gamify their relationships and reduce their own worth into a dollar amount is backfiring. If the only thing a man does to make his wife's life easier is provide a paycheck, then the wife's going to want to see a big paycheck. Maybe men should, y'know, make a point to not be deadweight otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 02:37 AM
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Money is a logistical benefit in a vacuum. Because money can be exchanged for goods and services. However, too many men think that having money means they can shirk the rest of their responsibilities in a relationship. And they won't even offer to use that money to hire a housekeeper.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 02:03 AM
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men peak later in life because they make more money later in life and build more wealth. But women are making their own money. Because they know that men will leverage a paycheck against them while minimizing women's domestic labor. Without being about to hold a paycheck over women's heads, how do men otherwise peak later in life?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 01:16 AM
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Inb4 multiple versions of "communicate pls", when the guys making the comments would ignore said attempts to communicate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:12 PM
1

Of course they don't deserve to be cancelled (in a vacuum).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 08:11 PM
1

That lesbianism doesn't hold validity as a pairbond and exists solely as a way to get attention from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:58 PM
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Same reason as the other guys who make that argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:49 PM
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"Hurr hurr it's fine if women are gay as long as I get to watch."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:40 PM
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Classic man. Ignoring all the benefits men already get by being in the military.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:29 PM
6

So going back to slutshaming and puritanical values?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:22 PM
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Not understanding that lenience is a finite resource. Many women will be understanding when you make mistakes at first. But if you interpret the grace they give you as a sign that it's okay to keep making those same mistakes over and over again, you're going to find yourself alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:24 PM
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If you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:55 AM
1

Lying to sleep with a woman isn't a connection either, but men are fine with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:50 AM
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Clearly not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:47 AM
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You're playing with semantics in a way that doesn't add to the debate in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:17 AM
1

No one's using steroids as birth control be real.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:48 AM
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Luckily for us in the modern area, men don't get to use the threat of violence to enforce their solipsistic delusions as sacrosanct. We can tell them they're being dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:47 AM
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In a lot of places, paying for sex is illegal or carries serious stigma and risk They can lobby for it. A man can want sex that comes with genuine desire, attraction, and mutual interest, not a transaction. And yet they have no problem building that desire on a foundation of dishonesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:29 AM
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Sex is a need for men because they don't get enough hugs. Or any positive emotional experience with another human being. Yeah. Too many guys went through severe emotional neglect as kids. The fact that guys don't care to try breaking generational trauma is a problem, but it wouldn't be as much of an issue if they weren't neglected in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:50 AM
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Then men can have sex with prostitutes if they need it that bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:29 AM
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Romantic companionship fits into that broader category for most people. Across cultures and throughout history, humans consistently form pair bonds and seek intimate connection. That kind of universality suggests it’s not just a superficial “want” or status play—it’s deeply tied to human nature. And across cultures, men have no problem lying to fuck non-promiscuous women instead of just being honest and fucking a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:28 AM
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They'd be hiring prostitutes if it was just about feeling good. And they wouldn't shame women for being promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:20 AM
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Not really. It's just being consistant.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:17 AM
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That would be great if men actually wanted to learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:16 AM
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Society values men too much? How? Male birth control doesn't exist because test runs gave men the same symptoms that women get. Men not getting shamed for wanting sex? You already did that with your post I'm not under the delusion that a man wanting sex is dealt with by society in any meaningful way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:15 AM
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Lol if you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:09 AM
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Wouldn't happen, as you have no doubt observed, men who can't get sex are at the bottom social hierarchy, thus nobody wants to be seen as supporting them. Yep. So my OP is right.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:08 AM
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Prostitution is illegal in the places where most people here live And they can lobby to make it legal if it's that big of a deal. There is also the fact that for some paying for sex can make you feel bad about yourself if you couldn’t get it through normal means. Gosh, I wonder why.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:06 AM
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Sex isn’t a need but plenty of men want it for the pleasure of it. Then they can hire prostitutes. Which they mostly don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:02 AM
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Even without the stigma, men are more horny than women. That's not going to balance out unless men get shamed and medicated out of it (which we know isn't going to happen because society values men too much to let that happen).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:59 PM
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Men as a whole want casual sex more often than women as a whole. Prostitution is an easy fix for this gap in desire. But men don't want that because they'd rather bitch about how they don't get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:57 PM
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Ideally, everyone would be able to have good sex with willing partners if they wanted. But since the orgasm gap exists and men are just more horny, it would be more logical to pay a prostitute for sex when the free option isn't available. Free market and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:54 PM
1

Damn, tell us more.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:52 PM
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I dont care what other men think, so there goes your whole argument. Easy to say that when you're not in a social scenario where it's relevant. prostitues are dangerous, unsafe, and often times morally wrong and illegal. As we all know, men are the sex known to care about their personal safety and not do dumb illegal things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:51 PM
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Things would be a lot better if men just jerked off instead of making their sexual frustration everyone else's problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:46 PM
2

prostitution being illegal They could lobby to make it legal. potentially dangerous undertaking Not so much if the brothels are legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:45 PM
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Soooooo this means that men should leave women alone then, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:08 PM
2

If simping worked, men would try and gaslight women into believing they (the men) are simping. Men wouldn't actually simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 08:38 PM
5

It's interesting how men don't understand that men have no problem lying exactly long enough to get what they want before bouncing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:51 AM
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Why am I, a grown adult, being told what to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:56 AM
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Irritated because who the fuck approaches people at the grocery store.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:35 PM
2

So how much of your "honesty" involves saying kind words to people?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 03:32 PM
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The threat of revolutions and death from people who ARE affected personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:55 PM
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Women do communicate that. And then their partners, whine, throw a fit, or say they'll do it (and then conveniently forget later). Men like that deserve to be alone and women need to leave them at the first whiff of incompetence.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:49 PM
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Your partner is working too, and presumably she is doing other things to make your lives easier. The least you can do is do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:43 PM
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They do. Your chores will presumably be cut in half if you both do them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:43 PM
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It's almost like men don't want to contribute anything to a relationship but a paycheck.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:07 AM
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A man thinks: "There's too many poor people, we should do something about it". But they don't. They don't care about it if it doesn't affect them personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 10:46 PM
2

I could ask you where your handler is and tell you that it was very brave of you to come out like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 03:06 AM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:48 AM
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Acknowledging someone as intellectually disabled also isn't an insult, but people sure will take it as one if you "mistake" them as being that. "Compassion" my ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:47 AM
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I think shit testing as being an asshole and pushing to see what you get away with is reasonable. Men's insistence on calling their magical thinking facts doesn't help, though. Doing something I don't like doesn't mean that you're shit testing, after all. I think guys are just too used to having the option of shouting women down to get the final word (since, as we all know, getting the final word in means that you're right).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:44 AM
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Wouldn't surprise me since men coined both "negging" and "shit testing".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:33 AM
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Nope. Guys neg will easily neg out of nowhere. While there may be something to be learned by playing this game, my overall feeling is to find women who don’t play such games instead. Yep. Playing mindgames is dumb and bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:32 AM
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Yeah, telling someone they look like a cancer patient is an insult. Even if it's passive-aggressively indirect. Negging doesn't have to be challenging or insulting. It's explained in the wiki page that you linked in another comment. "Durrrr it's not an insult because I say so! If you think it's an insult, that's your problem!!!" Like, guys wanna get away with being assholes and dressing up insults with a cutesy term isn't going to hide that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:29 AM
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You don't consider it challenging a woman because men aren't afraid of a woman punching them in the mouth over talking shit. If a man said that to another man, it would be considered starting shit (and a brawl wouldn't be an unexpected outcome).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:17 AM
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Shit testing Negging is women challenging a woman that she is kinda interested in to test whether she has poor boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:05 AM
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Like many things involving hurting men, shit-testing is considered innocuous because men apparently don't have feelings (and only have fragile egos). That said, men will happily peacock with a tough guy persona if it means it looks like he doesn't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:04 AM
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Negging without the cutesy name.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 01:57 AM
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Negging isn't a reactionary action. While I think there’s some merit to knowing how to handle shit tests, my overall feeling is to simply walk away from them. This is also how you should react to negging.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 01:55 AM
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They like their looks enough to want to have sex with them Yes. and to give these women a chance for their personality to grow on them. Hahahahahaha.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 10:36 PM
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Correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 10:28 PM
2

Women aren't the ones swiping right on literally everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:06 AM
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I have no problem with men starting the conversation after a woman swipes right on them tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:04 AM
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Might as well recognize the apps as male money extraction services then and stop bothering. If things can't change, then they're about as valuable as sports betting and should be treated with the same amount of contempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:03 AM
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Men treating dating apps like a videogame is why so few women even bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:01 AM
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rather than being rejected so frequently that we're effectively powerless You can hire a hooker if you want sex that bad. Guys should really figure out that prostitutes are cheaper in the long run anyway if what they want is casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:00 AM
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A wouldn't have a problem with men having choice on apps if they actually used it responsibly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:58 AM
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Most women I know hate apps because they can't get a real feel for the person through photos. There are ways to alleviate that, but the issue is that men don't care to try.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:57 AM
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An issue is men swipe based on “would I sleep with her one time or nah” and that’s literally the baseline While women swipe based on “would I date him or not” We really need a way to punish men for future faking on these apps. Nothing wrong with wanting casual sex, but they have to actually be upfront about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:39 AM
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That would be interesting. Forcing some kind of balance since you clearly aren't compatible with everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:38 AM
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But then how would the app know which profiles to show women? Proximity and shared interests. So men better fill out those profiles. So I'd give men 3 swipes per day, not more, It would be better than near unlimited swipes, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:36 AM
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As they exist, dating sites are just male money extraction services anyway. If you want people to actually match, something has to be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:34 AM
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Sad that bots make better profiles than most men then.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:30 AM
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I wonder how long it'll take guys to realize that this is why dating apps are so skewed male.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:30 AM
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Yeah that makes more sense actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:29 AM
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You can literally hire a hooker if you want it that bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:27 PM
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Men who get paid to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 11:52 PM
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Rule # 10: No Circlejerking Posts Female "privileges" come with costs that men refuse to acknowledge. Or just aren't privileges to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:33 PM
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You say that as if men actually care about a woman's character.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 10:51 PM
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firstly do you deny that lazy grifter women exist who just take advantage of their married men? ill assume you don't deny cause we can disprove real quick with real world examples. Do you think the ratio of lazy grifter women to lazy grifter men is 1:1?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 02:58 PM
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Men: Women are like this and this is the logic they use and I'm right because I say so. Women: You are wrong. Men: No, I'm right and you are womansplaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 02:24 PM
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“Why don’t men approach us anymore?” Who is saying this. Can’t work out in peace either, because if you even glance at a girl in the gym, she will have the TikTok ready to expose you. Tell me you don't go to the gym without saying you don't go to the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:07 PM
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They're content with beauty and a good vibe. Which is why men cheat more and why polygyny is so common historically.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 11:17 PM
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Rule # 10: No Circlejerking Posts
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 10:00 PM
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I feel like women dont understand that courting them can be mentally draining sometimes especially if you’re the only one planning dates. You don't think it's mentally draining when women have to be the prefrontal cortex of the relationship and remember everything that needs to be done (as well as doing the majority of the housework)? Like, women should be planning dates too; but chances are she's using way more mental energy keeping you both afloat (especially if you're doing so little that you…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:47 PM
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Yes. And I get offended if attractive guys hit on me. I get offended at getting hit on. I do not want to be hit on.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:26 AM
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If men took the same precautions that women did, men would be safer by every metric. But they don't, so they aren't. Men reaping the consequences for their inability to make good life choices is their own problem. If you think it reflects badly on women, you're insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:10 AM
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Many women don't seem to know what femininity actually is. What, and men do?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:22 PM
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I didn't say it was. But I can't imagine that it's a good feeling, regardless of reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 10:37 PM
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Men have the de facto presumption that they are inherently malicious and horrible people on top of being lonely. At least women in the same loneliness boat are usually just presumed "pathetic" at worst. I think it would behoove men not to try and leverage that presumption to their advantage, but I also think we need to have more avenues with clear goalposts for men to meet in order to be accepted into given groups. I don't envy men who have to start from scratch in adulthood after having been ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 07:58 PM
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Which is far rarer than men refusing to be an active parent in their child's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 01:10 AM
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Sure, but "plenty to lose" is still quite a bit less than what women have to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 10:06 PM
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Because men have more to gain and less to lose by cheating. Also, women are told that they're dumb stupid idiots if they choose to give their partners the benefit of the doubt (and then turn out to be wrong). Because men are seen as inherently selfish and self-serving.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 07:51 PM
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What, you think men are the only ones that need to adapt to the modern dating landscape?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 10:01 PM
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And women needs to presume that every man they interact with is a lying psychopath. Because men have no problem lying to get what they want and face few consequences for doing so (in any).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 09:48 PM
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My experience tells me the current generation of young women by and large do not know what they are doing in regards to dating This isn't saying men don't have the same issue, but they are less affected as they are more honest about what they want, straight to the point and way less picky. No one knows what they're doing. The male impulse to make bold declarations built on nothing but bullshit is nothing but that - bullshit. Men will say their wants are simple ("don't be fat and don't be a bitch…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 09:39 PM
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This supermarket analogy is just as misandrist because the presumption is still that men are still bad for you. In fact, it may be even more misandrist. Because not only does it say that men are bad for you, it's saying that they will be dishonest about it. At least no one's pretending that swamp water is healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 04:45 PM
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The actual solution is inventing artificial wombs such that you could extract a fetus and allow it to complete its gestation. This would allow both parents to equally abandon their children before birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 12:21 AM
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That’s great that women are able to filter for height and lack of confidence, but strangely has trouble filtering for players, abusers and narcissists. It's almost like height is a quantifiable metric and anxiety is palpable, while bad people specifically practice being good at lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 11:25 PM
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If you use someone, you're being dishonest. If you reject someone, you're not being dishonest. What is difficult to understand about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:45 PM
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A 24 year old is still in her early adulthood. A 32 year old is a decade more established. Why are they comparing their supposed placements in a female hierarchy? What do they stand to gain from their respective placements? I don't see much in the modern day. The issue is the "therefore" of the hierarchy. You are above another woman in the female hierarchy, therefore... what? What is this social power being used to do? What does the difference in respect based on hierarchy change? Nothing really…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 04:14 AM
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So pre-emptive self defense on women's part is the solution then?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 02:21 AM
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Damn, what part of the internet are you from? Is this your first day on this sub???
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 02:19 AM
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Avoiding being near them. Ending any conversations ASAP. Being quick to resort to measures of self defense if they get too close and refuse to leave when asked. Hiding doesn't make sense when it's half the population. Constant contempt and scorn aren't a viable long-term solution. The biggest nut to crack is to figure out how to, y'know, make it so men are no longer viewed "potential" predators without throwing women into the shredder.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 02:13 AM
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But how do you know it wasn't self defense?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 02:04 AM
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Can't speak for everyone, but I think women just understand context better. A 24 year old and a 32 year old are in different stages of life. Maybe you get the seniority hierarchy (which was the norm regardless of sex for most of human history), but there's not really any practical use for hierarchy in the same way that there is for men. Even "Queen Bee" nonsense is more a result of unchecked aggression and poor social guardrails than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 02:02 AM
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Would women shooting creeps in public areas with handguns be an acceptable form of precautions?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 01:55 AM
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No. It means treating men like criminals whether or not they've committed a crime or not. Because they're all "potential" criminals.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 01:52 AM
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Again. This is a theoretical ideal that's reasonable on its surface. But the reality is that women are held to expectations of preparation that men are not (and get extra shame that men don't if that risk mitigation fails). Now it looks like this conversation is at the point where it's going to loop going forward, so I'll call it here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 01:45 AM
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Weather is inherently unpredictable the farther out in time you are making your prediction. That's why meteorologists look at clouds, air pressure, historical patterns, seasons, temperature, etc. Sure. And just because the weather forecast says rain doesn't mean that there will be rain at the exact moments you are outside. But the weather still isn't a conscious entity. No one is making predictions on a whim though. We use contextual clues, signals, body language, and often our own biases to mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 01:20 AM
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Is not the same as; Weather is a predictable force with no conscious effort behind it. Predatory men are not. You can't predict if a man is going to predate upon you or not. Because that man is a human making conscious human decisions. Instead, they should prepare as best they can for that potential outcome. From anyone. Say, at least initially by limiting the level of trust and kindness they show everyone. This is a theoretical ideal that's reasonable on its surface. If the reality actually ref…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:39 PM
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men are more likely than women to physically intervene when the risks are high and in a violent situations That paper's from 1986. I'd like to see how a meta-analysis like that with only studies that have been replicated would turn out. I actually wouldn't have a problem believing it if so.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:08 PM
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If it's reasonable and smart to treat men like they are predators, then men should all be treated like they are predators. Do predators deserve trust? No. Do predators deserve kindness? No. Should predators have every action they take questioned through the lens of preventing harm? Of course! It's only logical, after all. But are men predators? I don't think so. But if you'd like to be treated as a predator with all the downstream effects that come with it, I won't stop you from arguing for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 10:43 PM
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And would you personally always being treated like a predator/loose cannon in all scenarios be considered a worthy trade? You yourself are a man after all. Women don't know if you're going to assault them or not - even if it's something as simple as you standing in line at the grocery store or waiting for the bus.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 09:18 PM
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So you're a man who thinks that men are predators?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 09:02 PM
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Men don't need to be protectors (and they aren't protectors). They just need to not assault people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:56 PM
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And they should be treated as the individual assholes that they are. Not as a part of a nebulous mass.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:55 PM
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1) I'm not a man. 2) If men need to be treated as potential predators, it should be culture-wide. Not just when society doesn't want to have to bother getting justice for victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:53 PM
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Sure. But the downstream logic of this isn't that women need to treat all men like predators. And it definitely isn't that women who get assaulted should've prepared more.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:47 PM
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Or because they're just assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:45 PM
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Yeah. There's a surplus of men because of sex-selective abortions. Because men are more coveted. There wouldn't be a surplus of men if they weren't coveted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:43 PM
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He's a bully being a bully. That's not inherent to him being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:35 PM
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Because he's a terrible individual making an individual decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:19 PM
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Men are more coveted. That's why sex-selective abortions and infanticide are almost exclusively done to baby girls. Male infanticide only happens in conquered nations (and is done by the conquerors because baby boys were considered more valuable).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:18 PM
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Maybe on an abstract macro level, but an individual man assaulting an individual woman isn't gaining anything from directly committing the assault itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:14 PM
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Majority or not, predatory men are still individuals making individual choices. And most men are not predators. Which means that it doesn't make sense to finger wag at women about how they should've taken more precautions when men assault them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:02 PM
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Men are not predators. Men are individuals. Yet men themselves will argue that men are predators when it means that they can blame women for being assaulted. But since men are not predators, it's unreasonable to expect women to build their lives around the idea of avoiding assault from men. Because bad men are bad people acting as individuals. But if we really do need to treat men as inherently predatory, how society treats men should reflect that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 07:55 PM
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Counterpoint: Women in the modern day will increasingly choose not to have kids the worse of a deal it is for them. Men can puff about how great they are, but they still have to be chosen. And trying to leverage access to resources in a post-scarcity world would just make you look like a dumb asshole. Why would a woman want to choose a dumb asshole if her life would be happier alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 07:48 PM
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The courts move at the speed of sludge, People like to stick their heads in the sand. If I have to choose between being falsely accused of raping someone and actually being raped. I'm going to choose the former every single time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:44 PM
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All of which favor him in the eyes of the law (as the accused), and would take forever to implement. And people would rather believe that the accuser is a liar than believe that someone they care about is a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:41 PM
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An attempted assault that you thwart with your own actions is far less traumatic than a completed rape you couldn't stop. Be real.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:38 PM
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No. Because most women cannot physically stop a man from leaving if he wants to (or stop him from beating the tar out of her).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 01:43 AM
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Unironically my bad there. Feel free to report this thread for breaking Rule #8 in the sidebar.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:07 AM
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Like I said: Women put more effort into their appearance, so of course they're prettier. I like to think things would be mostly even if both sexes put equal amounts of effort. But they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:04 AM
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Probably, but women who wear makeup make more money than women who don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:54 PM
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If men were prettier, most art would be of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:52 PM
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None of that makes actually more attractive It just hides your ugliness Hair is a natural part of the human body. How you fashion it can make you look better or worse. The same article of clothing looks different on different bodies because of how it accents your features. This can be better or worse. How you clean your body affects how you look. I don't need to explain how. Or do you judge human beauty on how some appears when they're bald, naked, and unbathed?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:49 PM
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Their stance on kids? That they want a serious relationship? Their political views? Their job? Their hobbies? Their friends? That they have kids? That they're already in a relationship? Plenty of men will tell a woman what they think she wants to hear in order to score sex and nothing more. There is no way to tell these men from civilized individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 01:32 AM
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Ah, so you're trolling. Well then, carry on.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:59 AM
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There's nothing stopping a man from future faking and otherwise pretending that he's something he's not. There are zero consequences for him if he does.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:20 AM
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So how are women supposed to screen for things that men have made clear they have no problem lying about?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:05 AM
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Small violent minority or not - there's no way to know if a man is a part of that group until its too late. So in order to actually protect yourself, you would have to presume every man you see is a part of that group. Which means viewing all of them as sadistic predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 11:57 PM
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You're pushing things to nonsensical ends and ignoring inconvenient variables. From what I can tell, you're trying to force the idea of "People should mitigate risk as much as possible -> therefore women should mitigate risk because men are predators -> therefore if a woman gets assaulted by a man, it's her fault because she didn't mitigate risk enough". Which is insane because men aren't predators and aren't treated as such in the majority of other facets of life. The argument you're trying to …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 08:04 PM
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The gender-swapped version of this is the Disney Dad - the "fun" parent who spoils his kids and leaves mom to be the butthead meanieface rule enforcer. I think this would be something to de a large-scale study on if possible. My gut says that dads are more likely to be the neglectful, irresponsible ones just because mom's the de facto parent in more cases. I wouldn't have a problem being wrong. Mom knows her kid is smoking weed, She says just make sure you're doing it in the house and says nothi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 07:50 PM
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There are certain areas in America that are not only dangerous to walk around on your own, but where you can almost certainly expect a confrontation if you wear the wrong colored clothing. Now knowing this, if I went to this area and decked myself out in the said colored clothing that would facilitate me getting shot, and I get shot, who is to blame? This analogy only works if you presume that men as a group are sadistic predators. Men as a group are not sadistic predators and are not treated as…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:53 PM
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If a woman is assaulted, she's having a sadistic action forced upon her. The fact that it was a man who did it doesn't suddenly mean that she should've somehow prevented it by taking precautionary actions. This is because men as a group are not predators. Your driving analogy doesn't hold because driving laws aren't gendered. And if the woman, say, hits a jaywalker who ran out in front of her car with no warning, she's not going to get sanctimonious finger wagging over it because it would be und…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:44 PM
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Your argument is black and white thinking. The logical conclusion to your argument is that anyone who is victimized should be judged because they, in theory, could've made better decisions. There are no perfect victims in the real world. There will always be things that someone could have done (whether they know it or not) to avoid victimization. I argue that this type of thinking doesn't actually help anyone, and only has utility as a cudgel to avoid having to help victims in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:31 PM
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The issue with this response is that it's moved to an extreme that's outside the scope of the post. To rein it back in: Individuals are not responsible for sadistic actions forced upon them. Individuals don't deserve sanctimonious finger wagging as a response to being victimized. Men are not so inherently sadistic as a group that it's reasonable to presume that existing near a man will get you assaulted. Therefore, a woman getting assaulted by a man is an individual instance perpetuated by indiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:23 PM
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Should people never leave the house? That's the only way to guarantee you never get assaulted after leaving the house. The answer is obviously no. Because the logistics of reality don't work like that and isolating yourself forever is not attainable for the majority of people (and isn't healthy, for that matter).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 02:22 AM
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Individuals are not responsible for sadistic actions forced upon them, and shouldn't be met with sanctimonious finger waving when they recount those experiences. This goes for victimized men as well, by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 01:41 AM
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no western woman has been taught her vicitimization is her fault in the US for decades Parroted generalities in media aren't the same as what women are told are actually told by people they actually know.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 01:29 AM
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Again, you're comparing bad men acting badly to scenarios with no conscious intent. If men are so inherently sadistic and terrible as a group that women have to presume that any man they comes across is reasonably likely to try and hurt them, then it would be logical for women to all get guns and shoot any man that gets too close. And it would be reasonable for them not to be jailed for it. Obviously, though, this is not the case. As such, women shouldn't be blamed for being assaulted just becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 01:26 AM
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Floods aren't making a conscious choice to destroy areas. Bad men are. That's the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 12:23 AM
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So men should all be treated like potential predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 09:29 PM
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I think this is the end of the discussion then. gg I believe we've reached a point that we'll be talking in circles if we continue. I'll call it here since there's not much more for me to say than to repeat "If men as a whole are so inherently abusive that women not taking specific precautions will result in them being blamed for assault, that says a lot about men and how they should be dealt with.".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 08:26 PM
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she learns if she passes out in a bikini on the subway she should be perfectly safe because men should be taught not to rape. This is how it should be. Lmao @ the idea that girls are actually taught this tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 08:10 PM
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If women need to prepare, that means men should inherently be treated as predators. If men aren't inherently predators, then women don't need to build their lives around the idea that men want to hurt them. Because anything that happens is a bad individual acting as an individual and should be treated as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 08:03 PM
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How does anything to do with abortions benefit men at the expense of women? Both pro-choice and pro-life camps are evenly split as far as gender. Because the man gets a fuck trophy he can abandon (with little anyone can do to make him take responsibility) while the woman is forced to take all the medical risk and social derision for getting knocked up. A big part is social stigma, I volunteer teaching kids cooking classes, and I've had multiple parents approach my boss saying that they don't lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:38 PM
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Party B wishes to assault for their own benefit. It's how abusers think. If men as a whole are so inherently abusive that women not taking specific precautions will result in them being blamed for assault, that says a lot about men and how they should be dealt with. I don't think that men are as a whole that inherently abusive, though. And I have evidence to show that the occurrence of SA has been quite common throughout history. I'm not arguing that this wasn't the case. Bad people with no chec…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:29 PM
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You mean anything to do with banning abortions? I'd be down for male-only scholarships in female dominated fields. We need more male nurses and elementary school teachers, to start.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:21 PM
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The "you shoulda you shoulda you shoulda" rhetoric forced down women's throats from an early age says otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:01 PM
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If it makes any difference, I don't think it's a man's fault if he's assaulted by a woman out of nowhere. However, men don't have stranger danger drilled into them from childhood through menopause. And statistics are statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 06:58 PM
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If you can PROVE universality of occurrence and how unreasonable it is to expect party A to mitigate the risk, then I am in agreement. But the difficulty is the burden of proof, for BOTH society and the individual to state their case. The proof would be that men aren't inherently sadistic. Assaulting someone in itself doesn't benefit you in any way. There isn't any line of reasoning where it makes sense to assault someone out of nowhere since you're not getting anything tangible out of it and it…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 06:53 PM
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then she’s likely super safe the whole time. Until she isn't. But the idea that her odds of being assaulted were low will then be used as an argument that the assault didn't happen at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 06:33 PM
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The logical conclusion of this is that women should all carry guns and take out these men accordingly. They the women can get said street cred instead. The women are just reacting to their risk accordingly, after all. That said, I don't think a gender-based civil war is a good idea. I would rather the above not have to be something that women have to resort to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 06:26 PM
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If men are so inherently sadistic that they, as a group, have a motive to assault women, how society deals with them should evolve in turn.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 06:21 PM
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BUT, you can also make the case that Party A displays actions that within a given subset of Xs, have a higher correlation rate to X than others. Why would Party A NOT minimize it if it was in their control? Because it doesn't exist in a vacuum. Bad men exist on public transit, in ubers, on the sidewalk and in parking garages. You won't be absolved from getting victim blamed just because you spent extra time and money on a supposed prevention measure that didn't work. If woman can be blamed for b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 06:19 PM
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as far as im concerned, "pick better" is a rethoric pertaining relationships, not random men harming random women Those are two different, but related, rhetorics. I suppose, though, that this post can apply to poor relationships too. Few men will outright state "If we get in a relationship, I will emotionally abuse and gaslight you", after all. a different story is that you purpposefuly put yourself in dangerous places or situations, but that criticism is thrown at both genders, not women only. …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 06:02 PM
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The idea of women behaving badly has been used as a cudgel for men to browbeat them since time immemorial. Women have never had such an iron grip on laws and their enforcement that men have had no other option than to keep their heads down and bear the mistreatment. Like, I'd love for it to not be gendered. But that just isn't the reality we live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:52 PM
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Bro, what you need is therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:20 AM
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Men want 50/50 while she does all the housework and household administration.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 12:41 AM
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No, it's about the draft in general, It's not. Make your own thread about different forms of the draft around the world if you want to argue about it so bad. The US is enabling a male-only Draft in Ukraine BRO WHAT???
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 12:17 AM
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It's about the draft in the US. And the US is the one sponsoring what is happening in Ukraine. Without the US, Ukraine would have fallen years ago. Irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 02:55 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 11:14 PM
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It needs to be "right." Note that "right" is different than "helpful," "insightful," or "relevant." "Right" just means technically inarguable. The man needs to say something that cannot be disputed, even if it is completely irrelevant. Lordy, if this isn't one of the big gender-relations issues of our time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 09:14 PM
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Women make terrible soldiers Even if we presume that to be the case, there are plenty of military positions that never see direct combat. Why wouldn't you want as many men freed up as possible to take to the front lines if you specifically only want men there? And it's dramatically understating how horrific being sent into war is It really isn't. The longer it's been since horrors have come to pass, to less weight it holds as a threat. War is no exception. And it certainly shouldn't be used as a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 07:31 PM
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I'm in favor of gender-neutral conscription when one's nation is under a realistic threat, if it makes any difference. This thread is about the US, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 07:13 PM
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And that is wrong and unfair. That said, this thread is about the US (since it's specifically about selective service).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 07:11 PM
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The US isn't getting invaded by Canada or Mexico any time soon. That said, I get what you're saying. Having no draft is ideal, but if we need one, it should be gender neutral.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 02:15 AM
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We're on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 10:34 PM
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This is not a topic that will be allowed to gain meaningful steam in this country. Well not with that attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 10:03 PM
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Hell yeah if true. Though... "This is not about combat. It is about their opportunity to serve. The House version of the bill does not include drafting women, but it would automatically register men to keep them from skipping out," said Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn). Ruh roh.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:56 PM
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Tbh if the process gets smoothed out enough, I could see it being done on kids pre-emptively so they don't have to go through surgery later.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:51 PM
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The draft being relevant has nothing to do with how it fits into the overton window. It does. Because people would be dragging it into the public conscious if they thought their loved ones were in active danger of being drafted. We're damn near about to start WW3, it's always relevant. That's the whole point about why the Selective Service is inequal. So long as it's there, it's a threat. Then it needs to be in the overton window so people will actually vote on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:47 PM
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Yep. Hell, they'd probably make it so all your limbs feel like foreign entities.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:42 PM
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People wouldn't have Phantom Limb Syndrome if the brain didn't think it was supposed to have the missing limb. People wouldn't have Body Identity Integrity disorder if their brain wiring accounted for all their limbs. Neither you nor I feel like we're supposed to have a pelvic flesh tube (since we don't have one on our respective bodies). That's great! Unfortunately, transmen aren't so lucky; and the resulting distress is bad enough that they're willing to mutilate their bodies over it. If gende…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:41 PM
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When has the draft been relevant enough in recent years to be in the overton window? Men in the US haven't been drafted since Vietnam. They're not getting drafted again any time soon. I'd be happy to vote for making the draft gender neutral if it came up, but I also don't see anything looming on the horizon hard enough to spur anyone into action. That said: what men are pushing to abolish the draft entirely?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:18 PM
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r/MenAndFemales
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:05 PM
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I put gender dysphoria (actual gender dysphoria) in the same camp as Body Identity Integrity disorder or Phantom Limb Syndrome, personally. I think it would be a lot easier to come to a cultural consensus on the issue if we solved the following conundrums: We need a method to inspect the brain's hardware that'll say, with 95% accuracy, whether the brain is wired to think it has male or female anatomy. Philosophically, should we edit the brain to match the body? Or should we edit the body to matc…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:04 PM
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The guy is literally saying that women shouldn't have the right to vote because women don't have to register for the draft. You could easily get rid of this imbalance by either making selective service gender neutral, or by abolishing the draft entirely. But no, men would instead prefer to leverage this to take away women's rights. (And the US hasn't used the draft in over half a century. "Responsibility" my ass.)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 07:29 PM
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Sure, but there are also more who aren't The fun thing about this argument is that there are no metrics that one could reliable used to gauge the actual percentage one way or another. Though women are clearly going through it enough that they're increasingly opting out. Oh, jumping right to cruelty I see...wow, crazy, never could have seen that coming *eyeroll* Bro pls.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:27 AM
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Where/how the hell do you women find such shitty men over and over and over again? Because more men are shitty in more ways than men would like to admit. As someone who is the complete opposite of the guy you're describing Hahahahahaha.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 02:58 AM
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Nope still not what Im refering to. It is, actually. Because men will try and argue that meeting an expectation in the most brain-dead possible way is still meeting that expectation and should therefore be rewarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 02:23 AM
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No thats not what it means. It means you do whatever works So exactly what I said. If you tell a man you want flowers, there's a decent chance you'll get a cheap shitty bouquet that's mostly dead. If you tell a man to start doing chores, there's a decent change he'll start using weaponized incompetence. And god forbid you expect him to put any thought into getting you a birthday present. And, of course, if you call him out for it, he'll try and turn it around on you for "not being more specific"…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 02:05 AM
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Giving this the most charitable possible interpretation: Relationships are a balancing act, and it's important to not fall from one extreme to another. It's also important that the female partner in a relationship have the flexibility and emotional regulation to meet her partner where he's at. In reality, men push to see what they can get away with and want to rules lawyer their out of anything resembling accountability. You can be unmasculine without being a doormat. You can share your emotions…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 01:29 AM
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Maybe guys wouldn't have so much trouble if they stopped pushing to see what they can get away with,
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 11:18 PM
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Being asked to lift heavy things sometimes is in no way comparable to being asked to do all the work of a mother 24/7. Be real.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 02:11 AM
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You mean section 8 housing in terrible areas where you still have to work two jobs to keep up with expenses like gas and electricity and doctors visits and maintenance on your abode (since god forbid your landlord get off their ass to actually deal with the cockroaches or fix the issues with your plumbing)? Helllllll nah. Poverty is poverty for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 02:01 AM
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Its free to go after child support. Hahahaha. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 01:41 AM
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One, everything everyone else here has said about endometriosis. Two, endometriosis aside: whatever industrial chemical bullshit is fucking with women's endocrine systems to the point that it's affecting their ability to function needs to be dealt with. Until it actually is, the least society could do is not actively make things worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 01:37 AM
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Most men don't even pay what they owe in child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 12:54 AM
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Police and plumbers and surgeons and electricians all get paid for their work. Mothers don't. Waxing poetic about how society needs babies means nothing when that same society considers the work mothers do to raise them to be worth less than working the McDonalds deep fryer.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 12:52 AM
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And yet women's role in it is taken for granted and pathologized for not meeting unattainable standards. It's no wonder they're increasingly opting out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 12:33 AM
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THE NUMBER ONE reason a woman is place on this earth is to make more humans. If it's so important, then they can get paid for it. Oh wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 12:25 AM
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You get to have someone love you unconditionally Until they don't. You get to have someone who will take care of you Filial responsibility laws are hard to enforce even where they do exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 12:24 AM
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It’s mostly social recognition. So nothing you can use to tangibly better your life more than if you didn't have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 02:44 AM
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Imagine ignoring the reality that kids are expensive and take more than just immediate family to raise properly. Like, if a woman wants to take that risk, more power to her. But she's not getting rewarded or compensated for it in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 02:34 AM
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Lucky for me, I'll be dead by then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:23 PM
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have a newborn now, it’s not hard, it’s literally unskilled labor I don't see you hiring a surrogate and raising a newborn alone as a single dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:02 PM
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It really didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:01 PM
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Yeah. And more and more are choosing to opt out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:55 PM
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Feminism didn't force suburban development. Feminism didn't decide that kids should be indoors and supervised 24/7. Feminism didn't push the "I get mine, and I don't owe anyone anything" mentality pervading the modern world.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:48 PM
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They often mean the surrounding system makes it harder to combine family and modern life. Which means it's a bad deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:41 PM
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There's another funny thing about shame, it doesn't manifest in a vacuum.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:40 PM
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Women are increasingly opting out now that they have a choice in the matter. I'm not going to fault women who choose that path and find meaning in it, but the birthrates wouldn't be tanking if it was unilaterally worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:35 PM
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If it's so essential, the least society could do is compensate them for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:31 PM
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In theory, only God is capable of doing that. So tell me, what more could you possibly want? To not starve, for starters.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:28 PM
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That supposed high doesn't outweigh the poor QOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:28 PM
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What's the status in being a mother and what are the benefits you get for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:26 PM
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We live in the easiest time to be a mom Community is non-existent. It's easier than ever to do laundry and cook food, but socializing and forming bonds is excruciating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:25 PM
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Glad we agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:23 PM
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Relationships are transactional because relationships come with expectations. Things need to be done. Someone has to do them. If you ignore life obligations and make your partner do everything, you deserve to be alone. In an ideal world, you should be able to trust your partner enough that you don't need to scorekeep. And even if one partner does more than the other, both partners should be doing enough that both their lives are easier together than they would be alone. Lmao @ your example being…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 09:58 PM
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Men will wax poetic about sex differences, then argue that a woman and a man performing the same actions in the same scenario will get the same outputs. Taking extra precautions is drilled into women for a reason. But men will argue that since men don't need to take those precautions, women are dumb and hysterical if they do. Groups of men in all industries for the past few centuries independently decided to design their wares exclusively for men (from seatbelts to medicine to kitchen counters t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:25 PM
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Not addressing their own emotional dysfunction. Giving too many chances. Falling into the trap of explaining to grown men why adult relationships come with adult responsibilities (instead of just blocking).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 06:06 PM
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They can't. You're just stating something incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:59 PM
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In other words, a female privilege that was named so that it sounds negative. If it were a privilege, women themselves would be able to leverage it. Instead, women directly acknowledging that they have some prized womanly trait is used as a indication that they, in fact, do not have that trait. Unlike men with their masculine traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:58 PM
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The 21ft rule is more like the 50ft rule. Good luck pulling out a gun and using it in the time it takes someone to grab you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:24 AM
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"Waaaaah. Nothing means anything. My girlfriend is a fat stupid bitch for being upset that I didn't get her anything for her birthday. How was I supposed to know that she would be upset about it??? I'm the real victim here." Like, at some point you're clearly just pushing to see what you get away with, and then trying to rules lawyer your way out of accountability when you fail to meet basic obvious cultural expectations. Being an adult means learning to balance cultural norms with the particula…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 09:46 PM
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And yet in every society that favors one sex of child over another, it's always males that are favored. If the human species is going to skew in favor of one sex, it's always going to be male. Because the world is made for men, and why would you willingly make your child's life harder than it needs to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 10:18 PM
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Fucking hopefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:40 AM
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Por que no los dos? You clearly have social skills. Many men don't. You probably won't be an asshole if you're turned down via text. Many men won't. Fear of violence can be a reason, but it's not the only reason. Expecting the same exact reasoning for similar actions regardless of context is just weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:48 PM
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Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:30 AM
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I agree with you. Platonic friendships are tough to deepen because there's no solid cultural expectation that they will (unlike with romantic relationships). That said, you can have someone to talk to without it being a deep friendship. It has worth in its own right. Plus you can have multiples of them!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 11:43 PM
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Humans in general aren't meant to be alone. Most people would prefer to be with someone they can love and rely upon. However, it's better to be alone than to be with someone who is a net negative to your life. If a woman doesn't see the men around her as worth sacrificing her peace for, it's objectively better for her to stay single. Plus, you can build community without being in a relationship. And while most would rather have both the community and the relationship, community is the better opt…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:54 PM
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It's a nice idea in theory, but men are too porn-brained for it to turn out well. Women sucking in bed sucks, but calling them out for it will inevitably turn into bitching that women don't act like porn stars IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 10:27 PM
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Men are capable of doing unpaid domestic labor by taking care of the house, cooking, household chores, and raising children, Men are capable of doing these things, but there's no way to enforce it. Which means enough men will fuck around doing nothing all day that it won't be worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 10:14 PM
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Tell me in any literature that trying to solve bigger issues off the back of an initiated smaller issue is the best way to solve it? The bigger the scope an issue, the more nebulous it is. If you bring up the bigger issue without having immediate smaller issues to point to, it's a lot easier for the other part of it to be handwaved. And I would say that any person not just women who brings up a wider array of issues in the heat of the moment are not doing it with a clear mind it's usually with s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 08:30 PM
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I'd argue that women are looking for resolution too. But the issue they're looking so solve is at a larger scope (since what men see as the issue in a vacuum is often seen as a symptom for something larger by women).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 08:14 PM
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Was it poorly done or do you have a particular way about things. Did I forget or am I not on your timetable on when you want things to be done etc. If men didn't force relativism into arguments as a way to try and worm their way out of their responsibilities, I'm sure women would be a lot more receptive to it (since clarifying baseline chore requirements means that everyone is on the same page). But I've also had to remind the x that I was very very allergic to peanuts. So I just chopped that up…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 08:10 PM
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Male "logic" is not axiomatically sound. It relies on feelings, suppositions, and priorities just as much as female "logic". Men just ignore inconvenient variables when it suits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 07:55 PM
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Saying “I’m overwhelmed doing all the housework” identifies the problem. It doesn’t resolve it. Resolution looks more like: “I need help. I’ve thought about it. Here’s a fair split that accounts for our schedules. Can you handle X and Y consistently?” This is sensible in a vacuum. But what often happens after? Men "forget" to do the chores Men do the chores poorly in order to avoid being asked again Men maybe stick with it for a bit, but then have to be reminded at erratic intervals Men argue th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 07:49 PM
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Yep. People expect adults to act like adults, and most people aren't consciously aware of how years of small interactions are what molded them into functional adults. If it was something that could be speedrun, people would be doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 07:34 PM
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That’s the contradiction. If you look at how arguments actually resolve in real life, most of the work is not expressing feelings. It's lowering the temperature so the problem can even be addressed without blowing up the entire relationship. If men could actually be bothered to put in effort to resolve the problem, things wouldn't blow up like that. When a woman tries to express that she, say, hates being the only one to do housework, her male partner doesn't see the problem as "there's labor ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 07:23 PM
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Are police officers and firemen and soldiers present in the majority of instances a woman finds herself in danger?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 12:20 AM
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And also she is ignoring the fact that every time a woman is in danger. And men are around. Men usually step up. But they don't. That’s not an abolition of gender roles. That’s selective enforcement, I.E. cakism. How exactly are women enforcing this? Men can always choose not to care, and there's not much women can do about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 12:04 AM
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Like, sure, the pendulum is going to swing. But not to the point that western women lose their rights again.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:29 AM
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I don't think it would go as far as you seem to be implying. We have too much unfettered internet access for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:49 AM
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Societies with excess young men become militant. It's happening in China right now. Gosh, if only they could have prevented this somehow. You can say it's anti-values or whatever but the collective testosterone of a growing body of disaffected young men with political power cannot be ignored indefinitely. Give them more porn and videogames. EZ.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:41 AM
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Nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:39 AM
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So women have to treat men like the super special boys they are or else men will remove women's rights and force the return to an age where women were chattel. What a racket.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 10:06 PM
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"Men also have paternity leave" - they don't need it nor want it, men don't use it. Society only threw them this bone for token equality. Men should say the quiet part out loud like this more. Men don't want to be active caregivers. They should be treated as such instead of being given the benefit of the doubt. Yet when we then talk about systemic and societal sexism against men in the same regard, they suddenly can't comprehend this concept. Money and assets are what support you. Currently, car…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 03:56 PM
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Ironically, I suspect that 50/50 custody isn't objectively better for the child For kids under 3, yeah. It's better to be consistently with one caregiver. For kids older than that, it depends mostly on the coparenting relationship. If everyone's on board with being responsible, 50/50 is great. If one or both parties are openly antagonistic, probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 03:47 PM
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What is this, the 90s?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 03:02 AM
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They care about having to put in effort to develop the skills of charisma and charm (because putting in effort into anything is mean, rude, and unfair to them).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 10:49 PM
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Men are backed by the implicit threat of male violence and society's inability to hold them accountable for anything. Women have to consider the implicit threat of male violence and society's preference to blame the woman in a relationship by default (and droning of "buuuuuuh you should've chosen better" at any attempts on her part to get a modicum of justice). Women have to keep one foot out the door at all times because men can't be trusted to do more than lie until they think the woman are tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 10:41 PM
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As we all know, Chris Brown is representative of the average asshole man. Average asshole men totally find themselves with the same opportunities as asshole celebrities.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:02 AM
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Counterpoint: Men usually don't face any consequences for acting like assholes. Maybe people won't like you, but all you have to do is not care.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 11:19 PM
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no its a why dont women improve themselves in the correct way post, in the ways men want women to improve. Men want women to wind up in a wheelchair for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 01:29 AM
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Pure meritocracy let's gooooooo.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:16 AM
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Men are more than 1.5 to 2 times less likely to take precautions in their day-to-day existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:16 AM
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They've never met or interacted with him. They couldn't say with any certainty that he has half of the traits and behaviors you pointed out. They watched the show and saw how the character acted and were like "hell yeah". Media consumption is not 1:1 with reality, but there are parallels you can draw. Agreed, but this is going to depend on who you're interacting with. If the women is too attractive herself, you have to know your lane. Hence, it's really just sexual attraction that is doing the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:09 AM
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but if we're going to be saying what's doing the most work it's definitely "oonga bunga sexy parts". Benedict Cumberbatch looks like a goddamn alien and he still had tons of fans thirsting after him in Sherlock. Because the way he portrayed the character made everything click into place. I do agree, but to some extent having a personable attitude here, ie an attitude that is pleasant to be around, means understanding if you're attractive enough for the woman you're interacting with to date in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:47 AM
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But then the question is, why even go through with the pregnancy if you just planned to make the kid someone else's problem? Why jizz in a woman if you're going to abandon the resulting kid? Why jizz in a woman if you have any doubts that she'll get an aborting if she winds up pregnant?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:32 AM
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Have a personable attitude that is cohesive with your style and appearance. Present comfortable confidence while showing interest in what she has to say. Have a cohesive personality that balances authenticity with a respect for conversational norms. Being interesting as an individual gives you way more wiggle room than laser focusing on aesthetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:28 AM
2

What a shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:13 AM
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But you're imagining "unga bunga sexy parts" sexuality on women. Which is not how female sexuality works. Female sexuality is way more holistic. Which men can't comprehend for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:13 AM
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and are women somehow unaware of these risks when they pick this type of guy and choose to reproduce with said guy? No matter the excuse, they have to hold that 'L' for 18+ years. That life, you make decisions and live with the consequences. Some mistakes are for life, you don't get infinite retries. And yet women are the only ones that have to hold that L. Dad? He just has to not care. And then he has a free nanny taking care of his kids (said "free nanny" being at fault for anything that does …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 01:59 AM
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No, I'm aware that it's a trauma. I'm also aware that single moms are pathologized for being the parent that stays (while deadbeats that get away scot-free).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 01:54 AM
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It always weirds me out how these posts presume that women look at casual sex the same way men do. Like, dating isn't a numbers game for women. Sex isn't the primary factor women consider. There are other criteria to meet. I don't know how this can be made any clearer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 01:15 AM
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Men would "take" the kids, but then dump them off on some other female family member. Men wouldn't do the single parent parenting on their own like women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 01:06 AM
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I actually think it's a good thing that women are increasingly choosing not to have kids. It's a bad deal for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 12:08 AM
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They should, but good luck enforcing that in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:59 PM
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Most owed child support isn't paid. The mother is usually one one left holding the bag. Even if the perception was that both parents are equally at fault for having a kid in the first place, the mother almost always gets the vast majority of the consequences (while the father gets off scot-free).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:59 PM
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Most custody arrangements are decided outside of court.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:55 PM
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Doing so on a large scale would the snide notion that single mothers should put their kids up for adoption to rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:35 PM
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And yet there's no noted "female loneliness crisis".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:28 PM
6

Sounds like a him problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:26 PM
4

Then single mothers shouldn't be unilaterally blamed for their kids' outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:16 PM
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The problem isn't single moms. It's lazy, shitty men who won't take responsibility for contraception, refuse to parent and then have the fucking balls to complain when they are rightly criticized for being self-absorbed and lazy. Certainly, but good luck enforcing any actual consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:14 PM
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Most guys who ask for 50/50 custody get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:05 PM
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Statistically, children fare better in dual-parent households than single-parent ones. However, the outcomes for any particular child vary so wildly, depending on other circumstances, that it's not worth jumping to general conclusions. It's always a case-by-case basis, with obviously disadvantageous cases tending to be more numerous specifically because people rarely become single parents under desirable conditions. Then people should stop blaming single mothers entirely for the outcomes of thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:04 PM
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Men should step up more as single dads too, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:50 PM
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Most single mothers aren't giving up their kids in the current year.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:45 PM
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The second line says If putting a kid up for adoption is so much better, then, single mothers should put their kids up for adoption en masse. I'll edit the last line, though, because I can see how it's getting misinterpreted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:43 PM
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I also think there should be more resources to help single parents. I don't think it's going to happen, though, until people see what happens if most single mothers choose to give up their kids instead of raising them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:41 PM
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Happy to hear it. I hope some of those new experiences become things you truly enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:38 PM
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And pathologizing the parent for taking responsibility for their life choices doesn't help anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:35 PM
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Per the OP: If putting a kid up for adoption is so much better, then, single mothers should put their kids up for adoption en masse. I do think that this should be consensual on the single mothers' parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:33 PM
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So what should single mothers do when the father has made it clear that he doesn't want to be a part of his child's life?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:29 PM
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I would prefer a more diplomatic method, personally; but I don't think anyone would listen to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:25 PM
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Single mothers (the parent who stayed) get blamed if their children don't turn out right. Since there aren't any benefits to being a single mother, and because stepping up to raise your child alone is apparently not enough, single mothers should wipe their hands of the matter and put their kids up for adoption. Frankly, I think doing so would throw a lot of chaos in the system, but a bunch of kids suddenly flooding the foster care system would certainly prove a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:20 PM
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If a man is a net negative to a woman's life, she should stay single. It used to be that women had no economic opportunities as individuals (which artificially inflated men's attractiveness as mates). Now, women don't have to rely on men for survival, but men haven't adapted with the times.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:15 PM
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All-the-more reason for women to not have kids. They'll be saving the people who would be their granddaughters from being born into slavery.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 07:59 PM
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Men aren't insecure. They just think that they're the main characters of reality, and want the status trophy that is a partner who has never been with anyone else. How else could a man expect to be regarded as special? (Well- besides hard work; but that's soooooo difficuuuuult.)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 07:43 PM
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You have to fill your life with so many new experiences that they crowd out what could have been (a.k.a. the things you missed out on as a kid). People are prone to falling into routines. If you live without new experiences, the days will blend and go by fast. Watching the years fly by with nothing to show for it will only compound your regrets. Doing new things and meeting new people will help with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 07:25 PM
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The effects of childhood neglect compound and snowball over time. Starting from nothing is a lot more painful than you'd think.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 04:17 PM
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I'm talking about how you act with your personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 04:04 PM
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Ideally no. But some women give men too much lenience and wind up finding themselves in that position.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 03:06 PM
1

Have you considered being sufficiently dishonest?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 02:58 PM
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Women being able to adapt better to it doesn't mean it's not bad. That said, local issues take priority over global. Put on your own oxygen mask before helping someone else, and whatnot.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 02:44 PM
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Stay mad, If you think that women increasingly choosing to single manifested out of the ether, that's a you problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 02:34 PM
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I'd say the number one problem is the severe emotional neglect so many of them go through that prevents the development of said social life and social skills. Is it their responsibility to fix as adults? Sure. But there aren't any good resources out there to overcome it, so most people are stuck brute forcing it (with all the pain that entails).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 03:12 AM
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You can, but you have to be extremely intentional about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 02:03 AM
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But it's not. I didn't say anything about men competing with one another. The competition is between a man and the woman's single life. Other men aren't even a consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 01:23 AM
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That's fine but then how about not nagging after you finish vetting the man and get into an actual relationship? No one should have to nag, If you're at the point of nagging, just leave. Unfortunately many women get together with men hoping he will change or that she can mold him into something else. Who is the real villain in that scenario? You say they cannot hope to change the man but a wide swath of women certainly don't act that way. Certainly, and these women are dumb and wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 12:52 AM
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If it makes any difference, I do think the ideal is for both partners to be equally driven. That way they can both rely on one another, and neither is dead weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 12:39 AM
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Sure. Some guys have parents who love them and raise them well. Others don't, and have to overcome the disadvantages they had in childhood. It sucks, but at least most people can overcome it if they try hard enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:43 PM
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People are very predictable and small bits and interactions give you enough to extrapolate the full unseen trend Yeah. That's implied in the OP. are you implying it takes you years to learn that youre dating a loser? It can take a long time to sus out whether a guy who's a "work in progress" will get his shit together or will stay as he is forever. Much more sensible to drop them ASAP and find someone who already has his shit together.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:41 PM
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It's almost like there isn't anything stopping men from being blatantly disingenuous since there aren't any meaningful consequences beyond them finding themselves single again.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:38 PM
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Lmao. You too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:36 PM
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Enough that women are blamed for not having read his mind and chosen better.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:25 PM
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Plenty of single men who take care of themselves and do chores. And yet this ability often vanishes once they have a live-in maid girlfriend. How mysterious.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:13 PM
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I'd love to live in a time where community ties are strong enough that you can get to know someone and the people they know, and then form a conclusion of who they are as a person based on that. Unfortunately, that is not the case. Romantic prospects may as well be strangers, and humans don't have the fertility window timespan to waste on making absolutely sure your presumptions are correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:11 PM
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Excellent stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:06 PM
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But, here's the problem. I do indeed see a lot of young men with bleak career prospects who look mediocre. Now look in the mirror, because I also see a lot of flabby young women who are also broke. In order to "be the finish line", you have to be a prize, and most people just aren't. I'm actually all for men vetting women as much as women are expected to vet men (there are more than enough dysfunctional women to warrant it). But men don't, and they won't. And this is understood enough on cultura…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:06 PM
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Men not fighting for joint custody. Women doing more housework on average than men. Stories upon stories upon stories where women do everything while men fight having to do chores at every turn. The fact that men take women doing housework for granted to the point that they don't vet for it at all and don't list it as a requirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:00 PM
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No one knows exactly what the future holds, but you're better off extrapolating what you're partner will be like based on what they've shown you than presuming an ideal scenario with absolutely nothing backing it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 10:54 PM
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It's not illogical to weigh the risk of having a useless manchild against the reward of him getting his shit together eventually and conclude "nah, not for me".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 10:51 PM
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Women are able to do their chores without having to be nagged. Men apparently aren't. I like the thought of viewing men and women having the same capacity to handle daily drudgeries. The overall realities, however, don't seem to reflect this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 09:54 PM
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Maybe you should take it out and stfu. Be the change you want to see in the world. Do you think single women aren't taking out their own trash? Also top tier men don’t need women, like at all Yeah. They can take out the trash without having to be reminded.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 09:52 PM
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Finish line meaning "endpoint of growth". Are those women presuming that getting with you means they no longer have to grow and mature?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 09:51 PM
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The safe bet for women is to presume that they can't change men. If a man isn't a reliable partner when she gets with him, he won't be any more reliable 5 years later. Hence why women are the "finish line" - the lack of growth gets locked in when you have a new mommy doing everything for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 09:49 PM
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I didn't. Being alone is better than wasting your time with someone who you'd have to bank on changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 09:45 PM
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Sometimes high risk is the right move in life, it depends on the reward and the consequence of the risk, And in the case of women choosing men, it's better to be alone than be with someone who you have to mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 09:45 PM
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Man, it's weird how many people are bringing up "women as the prize" here. I don't think men should improve themselves with the express purpose of being rewarded with a wife. I think everyone should improve themselves since it would benefit society as a whole (and everyone would have a better pool of potential partners and less worries of dead weight).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 09:04 PM
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We should really be assessing partners on an individual level, not [women are X, because of Y]. I agree with this in general. At some point, though, it just becomes basic pattern recognition.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 08:59 PM
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the smart thing to do is buying low on someone who's undervalued which some could argue has never been easier. High risk high reward High risk is not smart. High risk has a high likelihood of wasting your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 08:58 PM
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It's sad that apparently only "top tier men" are capable of taking out the trash without being asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 08:54 PM
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If he is in the process and she gets with him because he looks to have momentum, then that wouldn't be waiting and she can get more credit for that. If it's clear momentum, I agree. She's not getting any credit unless he acknowledges it, though. Since something can always go wrong to throw him off track. If the work is done then no credit can be given, since she is just another woman that was looking for the finished product. Chances are he won't listen to her anyway even if she has good advice.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 08:52 PM
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So guys should be centering women? Guys should understand that being an adult comes with adult expectations and adult responsibilities. No one should be a net drain on the people around them. So attractive guys, try your hardest to land a good career. And unattractive guys, try your hardest to stay out of their way. Oh, and out of women's sight... And especially their DMs. This ad hominem doesn't even make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 08:47 PM
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all your rambling implies that woman are "the prize" for the "game of life" That would imply that one gender is the "main character" gender. I believe that isn't the case. I believe that relationships should be partnerships. there are a ton of guys who dont have there shit together having a ton of sex and a lot off successful guys who are incels Living wildly in your 20s isn't the extent of one's life path. Plus, there are women who (unwisely) get knocked up by useless morons, and successful wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 08:43 PM
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If they don't have sedative activities, maybe. But why go to violence when you can get enough dopamine from jerking off?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 08:30 PM
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“men will sacrifice their happiness for family” Because as we all know, showing your kids that you'll stay no matter how supposedly miserable you are is a great example to set.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 05:38 PM
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Men are not killing their families at the rate they're leaving without filing the paperwork. Be real.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 03:57 PM
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Then it would be an actual divorce. That's the point. A man ending the relationship the marriage is for is the cause of the divorce. Him being a lazy fuck and refusing to do the paperwork does not mean he's somehow still committed to the relationship. If you have actual statistics that can break down the minutiae of divorce to the point that you can actually prove the "very rare" assertion you made, please share them. It's funny how you're not providing any statistics of your own. Buuuuut, if I …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 02:53 AM
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My guy. If a man leaves a marriage without filing the divorce paperwork, and the woman wants to get remarried (or otherwise move on), it's then up to her to file the divorce papers. She's "initiating the divorce" even though he's the one who left. Also, infidelity is a common reason for divorce. What are you talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 02:33 AM
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Plenty of men leave marriages without filing the paperwork to divorce. Skipping town or leaving for another woman while staying legally married is not "commitment".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 02:22 AM
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How disingenuous that the the only "leading" the leader does is "holding you to your promises". That's not why women here shit on """leaders""".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 12:55 AM
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You can lose weight by putting down the fork. You can find a style by going to stores and trying on clothes. You can find a hairstyle by going to the barber and fucking asking. None of these things are difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 11:26 PM
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Women are already doing almost all the childcare while also often working full-time. Being a SAHM is a bad idea because men can't be trusted to not leverage the finances, but men also can't be trusted to do chores and childcare. Being the primary caregiver is a worthless enterprise that doesn't compensate you in any way, but you also don't deserve the compounded income generation that you partner was able to achieve by relying on your labor. Men aren't pulling their weight. Women have eyes and c…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:59 PM
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Men care, but not enough to make the idea of having kids an actually attractive proposition to women. Men would rather make their bloodline suffer than work towards a better future. No wonder women are opting out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 01:57 AM
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It doesn't matter that you're not a fashion person. Be dishonest. Pretend you're a fashion person. Doll yourself up if it's really all that it takes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 01:44 AM
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So stop being ugly. Lose weight. Find a hairstyle that suits you. Wear fashionable clothes. You can be dishonest with the façade you present just as much as the personality you use. It's so easy, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 01:20 AM
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Sooooo you shouldn't have any trouble tricking a woman into being with you then, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 12:45 AM
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Plenty of men use the "nah bro I'mma protector" as part of the "work they do" in the relationship, as an argument for why they shouldn't have to do chores. The protector presumption also gave them a default leg up when accused of sexual assault. "Why would he hurt her? Men love women! Men would never do anything to harm women!!! And besides, if it did happen, a man would've stepped in because men are protectors. And since no man stepped in, that means it didn't happen!!!" The protector presumpti…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 02:42 AM
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All tools were designed to be used by male hands. All PPE was designed to fit on male bodies. All seatbelts were designed to hold male torsos. Everything in society was designed for men, and whether or not women could readily adapt was never a consideration. Most issues are small in a vacuum, but it's insane once you add it all together.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 11:47 PM
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What, you think men collectively snapped their fingers and everyone was then immediately on the same page? Men don't want to step in and help those in danger. That's their choice, and society should acknowledge it. And as such, society should also remove all the social benefits men had from being the presumed defenders. I don't think this is difficult to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 11:37 PM
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It's pretty much already gone. Women are more likely to step in and defend a woman in danger than men are. And men will employ all manner of excuses as to why each particular instance is the grand exception where they don't have to step in. Or they'll just employ the standard "I thought you could handle it!!!" or "You're making a big deal out of nothing!!!" or "But what if he had a knife?!?!?!" when confronted about why they stood by and did nothing. Men have no problem leveraging the idea that …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:50 PM
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If getting sex is a matter of health, then men should do the right thing and go to hookers. And lobby for health insurance to pay for the hookers. Leave relationships out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:43 PM
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Sounds like a pretty open-and-shut case then. If she opened the door and entered without permission, that's clearly against the law and she'll hopefully be convicted accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:24 AM
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Most women who are owed child support aren't paid what they're owed. It's insanely easy for a man to abandon his family. Getting a man to do his fatherly duties is like pulling teeth. It's no wonder the birth rates are tanking.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 02:02 AM
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The problem with relying on community decisions that don't have any external scaffolding is that men will either use the implicit threat of violence to get their way, or will force a childish gridlock on all issues unless they get their way. There needs to be some kind of checks and balances in the system so women don't get steamrolled like they have in the majority of community systems throughout history. I agree that the lack of community is the source of most of our modern problems, though. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 11:49 PM
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"Men Women try to dismiss anything beyond pure self-interest as "feeeeeeelings" "oppreeeeeeesion". "? "When it comes to understanding others, women men care about feelings oppression, men women care about thoughts"? These are the only two sentence I can think of for what you're suggesting, but neither make any sense. And where did "oppression" even come from here? Thanks for providing an example of men's vacuous tendencies, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:36 PM
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Men think in a vacuum. Women try to understand the whole. Men try to dismiss anything beyond pure self-interest as "feeeeeeelings". But it's not. Men are either too stupid to hold multiple variables and contexts and aspects in their head at once, or they're too selfish to try.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:02 PM
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Seconding the request for the ring video. Men answering the door naked when the delivery driver is female is nothing new. If she could see him naked from the amount that the door was open initially, I'm not surprised that she would take out her phone. After all, what if he escalated from indecent exposure to assault? Going straight to posting the video online is not the play, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:04 PM
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Women believe that how THEY communicate is the CORRECT way to communicate, that a more typically-male form of communication is INCORRECT (or even outright bigoted or toxic) While this goes both ways, men notably lack the consideration to proactively make sure everyone's on the same page. A lot of conflict could be avoided if men just relayed information instead of waiting until after people are mad from getting blindsided over and over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:34 PM
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Actions don't exist in a vacuum. If you fuck up, don't address the root of that fuckup (likely a lack of consideration), and keep fucking up, don't be surprised when your partner exhibits basic pattern recognition and acts in turn. Tell a man “get milk,” he’ll get milk. However if you come back with the wrong brand or a different percentage they will get unstable. But did she really say "get milk"? Or did she say "get this specific type of milk"? Or does your household normally drink a specific …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:19 PM
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A worrying number of people were emotionally neglected as children and expected to somehow manifest their developmental milestones alone with no external input. Is it the responsibility of these now-adults to rectify these issues? Yes. But there isn't any good way of doing so without doing the emotional equivalent of bashing your head against a wall and going through tons and tons of emotional pain. I wish there was some kind of bootcamp that could at least speedrun these people into not being a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 02:24 AM
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To summarize it, it's the idea that men should be allowed to surrender paternal rights and obligations during a period slightly shorter than the legal period for abortion in any given jurisdiction so that the woman has time to decide whether to abort or become a single mother. It's gotta be shorter enough that said woman can have time to decide and also make it through any bureaucratic red tape that would otherwise delay her to the point that she misses the cutoff window.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:20 AM
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How about you come up with an OP that's not an absolute chuunibyou tirade.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:39 AM
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Jesus christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:27 AM
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If you're talking about making money, then he should be using that money to hire a cleaner (or whatever other occupation he needs to do his half of the chores).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 02:24 AM
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The problem is that men do not get bonus points for doing the household work What, and women do?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 01:36 AM
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Gurl, just leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 01:31 AM
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I think plenty of men acknowledge the reality here. They just don't care. This reality is also why so many women are choosing to stay single. Good riddance.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:54 AM
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So women have to coddle men's feefees or else they'll lose their rights. What a racket. I'm all for not punishing men for opening up and showing weakness. I believe that I as an individual don't hurt men for showing weakness, and I believe that everyone should do the same. Let's not pretend that men were any nicer while women fought for their rights, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:07 PM
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You say that as if women don’t actually want kids or as if there isn’t the intrinsic value to to having them in the first place. The intrinsic value to having kids isn't tangible and is reliable for absolutely nothing. I have no doubt that the majority of women want kids. However, they also don't want their final years to be hell on earth. Since raising children doesn't actually guarantee that you'll have anyone to take care of you, it's understandable to prioritize gaining assets (like money) t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:03 PM
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That's all well and good, but it's going to be hard to change that perception if guys don't actually acknowledge it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 01:18 AM
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I count verbal abuse among the aforementioned hurt as well. Plenty of guys think "lol just don't care, bro. What is she going to do? Kick your ass?"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 01:20 AM
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It should be common sense that hurting people hurts them, even if the perpetrator is a woman and the victim is a man. That said, the masculine bravado to assert that women are not capable of hurting men in any way that matters doesn't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 01:15 AM
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Men want family like a kid wants a puppy. They want it, but not the responsibility that comes with it. Women are the ones left holding the bag when men decide that adult obligations are mean, rude, and unfair. I'm not surprised that women would increasingly avoid something that doesn't benefit them in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:13 AM
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They depend on men, as a whole, for the enforcement of their own rights. Nope. They depend on those employed in the structures and governing bodies. Is it mostly men in said jobs? Sure. But most men aren't in those jobs. Men as a whole aren't the ones doing the enforcing. It's the few being paid for it. The average man can do little by himself, but as a whole they can do a lot: Just like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 02:17 AM
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What is the purpose of the OP, then? Our modern world is so large and complex that it's quite easy for the average person (male or female) to have no relationship to any of the men in enforcer positions. The average man is in no position to take away her rights. (Murder her? Sure. But there will, in theory, be consequences for doing that.) As such, there's no reason to crow about how "men can take away the rights of women" if there's nothing you're implying with it. Do you want women to treat yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:51 AM
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And yet women do not have to appeal to you, personally, for their rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:33 AM
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Some woman: *gets her master's degree* Different woman: *gets into an abusive relationship* Men: These are the same woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:24 AM
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The OP made it gendered. I responded in kind. "Not husband material" and the like are also broad generalizations. If you're called "not husband material" for having a certain body count, I'd think it's just as unfair. Women are less likely to do this than men are, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:28 PM
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What men do behind closed doors is no one's business, and does not affect how other people treat them. What women do behind closed doors is apparently everyone's business, and results in people treating them worse. If men were treated like "slutty" women (with the agency of said women to do anything about it), men would quickly change their tune.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:20 PM
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Because "not girlfriend material" implies that she wouldn't be a good girlfriend to most men, not just you. There are phrases like "not my type" that work just as while specifying that it's you specifically who have those standards and boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:00 PM
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Because men would rather take any opportunity they can to put down women than express their preferences like mature adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:16 PM
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Aaaaand once again you still haven't explained how your clown logic makes sense. It seems you're going the route of masculine bravado, where you ignore arguments you don't like and keep repeating yourself regardless of how little sense it makes. I'll save us both the trouble and stop replying here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:11 PM
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If the men turn into "bums," then the women turn into "despots" by your own logic. Except they don't. You still haven't explained how this is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 01:15 AM
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I'd venture at least 50% given the divorce rates. Also, present your facts. You threw a tangent at me for no reason without answering my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 12:28 AM
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What do influencers have to do with men in relationships not pulling their weight?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 11:51 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 11:11 PM
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We hear from the feminist camp that "men have it easier" when they've never wanted to try providing like men traditionally have. Plenty of women have been forced into the role. The issue is that the men then do absolutely to support the now-provider women. Instead, the men just turn into bums.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 10:37 PM
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Yes to all 3. What's the downside?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 10:31 PM
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You don’t see women saying: “I want a man who stays home with the kids while I work.” “I’ll take care of the bills; he can learn the house stuff.” Because the men wouldn't do it. They would just sit around the house doing nothing. So the women would wind up making all the money AND doing all the chores. No point in asking for something you know is going to blow up in your face.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 09:28 PM
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I think you're 12. I believe that you can be the smoothest operator in the world, but if you're a lone wolf, you'll still struggle even with the most charismatic social skills. Where? I also believe that women are very in tune with being tricked into things That's an interesting way of saying "are lied to and then have their trust broken". (And men wonder why more and more women are inherently distrustful of men. lmao)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 11:54 PM
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It's the bedrock teen socializing is based off of. If you interact a lot and have mostly positive interactions, you'll have far fewer problems navigating your teen years.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 10:55 PM
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If most men glow up, no man glowed up. And yet this apparently isn't the case for women? The halo effect gets you bennies without being compared to the people around you. People just like interacting with attractive people. You, too, can be an attractive people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 10:53 PM
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Modern men generally won't. They have a much higher tolerance for mess and dirt. Up until they get called out for it by people who aren't their partner. Then suddenly he's a victim for not having been told how bad it was while his partner takes the blame (since she doesn't get the excuse of being a moron). Again, unless the agreement is that she takes care of the kids, I don't know of any modern men that would throw their wives under the bus for this. Until CPS shows up lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 10:51 PM
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You can look good at 5'4", yes. Having a complex doesn't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 10:49 PM
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Sure. Both partners deserve to be spoiled by one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 10:45 PM
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It probably does at least have something to do with it. At it definitely doesn't help that this is something that can really compound without you realizing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 10:44 PM
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Modeling is important. So is making sure that the kid actually understands why the relationship is positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 10:38 PM
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If you don't get the starting foundation when you're a little kid, this latent learning is far harder (if you pick up on it at all). I think it's a reasonably logical conclusion to wish you got lessons and lectures if you don't otherwise know how bad being emotionally neglected as a kid fucks you up. I do wish there was an accessible way for people like that to get that missed childhood learning without a metric ton of pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:56 AM
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Really struggling to understand how practically everyone else in society was able to learn social cues from just existing around other humans But they didn't. A properly socialized kid has a lot of small mistakes and teachable moments that they learned from and that the people around them understood. A lot of people in this sub had the generational equivalent of an iPad shoved in their hand from a young age, or were pathologized for childish mistakes from a young age (causing them to withdraw). …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:40 AM
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And? If a guy gets paid, but doesn't perform the labor he owes, that's illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:31 AM
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When they're little (up through some portion of elementary school), yes. A parent needs to guide their kid then to set up that solid foundation. This'll let the kid not be an anxious wreck in their teenage years. Teenagers should have enough of a solid foundation to make some rational decisions on their own. Parents can provide some insights if their kid has trouble understanding various aspects of dating, but dating isn't like riding a bike. It's the parent's job to give their kid tools, not ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:26 AM
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Adults won’t (and I’d say shouldn’t) give you advice on seduction or attraction, not until you’re at least near the end of high school. It’s normal that they’d say that being nice is what counts. And being nice does count, but it’s very, very obvious that it’s not all that counts. The issue is that it IS the job of adults to establish an emotional bedrock that relationships can be built off of. And to socialize kids to be able to reach out and interact while having a solid idea of what will and …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:20 AM
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A guy is only lonely because he's unattractive that's it. If you're jealous of the halo effect, the majority of men could glow up if they wanted to. They just want the rewards without the effort. All the empirical data points on that. It really doesn't. What women consider a bad personality can also be diluted down to the guy just being autistic. He can't hold conversation or poor listener. Actions don't exist in a vacuum. If you're unpleasant to interact with, it's not unreasonable to presume t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:02 AM
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Unhinged behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 11:51 PM
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Putting aside the fact that women can either do it themselves or pay someone to do it, men can always just say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 11:07 PM
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Men are more involved than ever in recorded history with these endeavors, yet the bitching and complaining has only gotten worse. Well yeah. Women have the platforms to complain now and don't have the consequences of death and/or social ostracization anymore for the most part. Women should procreate with men like this if it’s such a big issue. And if women can't find such a good man, they should stay single. Interestingly, this is happening more are more often now that they have the option.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 09:19 PM
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If you don't clean your house, dust and grime will build up. Everyone would rather live in a clean house than a dirty house. Men won't do anything to get this done of their own volition, but will be quick to point fingers when the house reeks or guests complain. If you don't tend to the relationships with your community, they will wither and fade. It's best to keep in contact with your loved ones for the sake of your long-term mental health. Men won't do anything to get this done of their own vo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 08:05 PM
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Men deserved to be spoiled in relationships too. The issue is in the reciprocation. Is the man spoiling her as much as she spoils him? If he is, there's no problem. (I say this knowing that he probably isn't. lmao)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 07:45 PM
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Men take very little to be content. Take care of yourself, be pleasant, wanna fuck. Those are pretty easy standards to uphold. Up until the exact moment there are responsibilities that require skills and the diligence to keep up with them. Then women who don't have them are pathologized accordingly (while, of course, the men play dumb at any notion that they themselves should step up in any way).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 07:37 PM
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If being a hivemind was so great, men would've long proudly declared of themselves a long time ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:16 PM
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Sheltered girls become naive women. Women are also gaslit when they're paranoid and shit on when they're too trusting. I'm not surprised that a worrying number fall to one extreme when they're pathologized no matter what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:57 PM
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Yeah, but you can choose to not approach. The women getting approached have no such luxury,
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 06:15 PM
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Men don't care because there aren't any actual consequences for women feeling that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 08:30 PM
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If you'd rather be with a psycho than be alone, that's a you problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:07 PM
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Men call their feelings logic. The only reason they aren't constantly clowned on for it is the implicit threat of male violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 07:59 PM
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The education system is just designed better for girls No one thrives when they have to shut up and stare at a whiteboard for 8 hours a day. Girls are just less likely to make their issues everyone else's problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 12:09 AM
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Sensible in theory. Unfortunately, though, it's always easier to blame the victim than to hold the perpetrator accountable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 12:35 AM
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Except men get held at gunpoint too. Men aren't preemptively shot by default just to steal a wallet. What are you smoking?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 12:21 AM
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Society still hates holding men accountable for anything. That means women are hated when they treat men like predators, but are also snidely reminded when they get assaulted that they should've understood that all men are potential predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 12:19 AM
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I unleased a bag of insults, per your request.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:58 PM
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I don't. This is PPD. We speak in generalities here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:53 PM
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You're saying two different things at once. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:52 PM
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Guns and knives exist, sure. So does the theoretical 6'4" jacked black belt bjj muscle mommy. Good luck ever convincing men to structure their lives around avoiding these scenarios.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:47 PM
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If that's the case, you can just walk away lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 02:28 AM
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They make sense to use in the current cultural zeitgeist because they're so commonly used anyway, but they're otherwise such myopic oversimplifications that I don't see them still being used after another couple decades. We're either going to culturally grow up, or civilization is going to collapse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 01:57 AM
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Oh no, there is no misinterpretation. You're just insane. If the threat of harm is imminent, being able to do something about it is always going to be better than not being able to do something about it. There is no arguing against this without being intentionally disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 01:50 AM
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Yes, it's a passive advantage but it's a bigger advantage than men's ability to actively fight back regardless. Jesus fucking christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 01:35 AM
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What a lovely idea! Let me just look into my crystal ball and accurately predict exactly how every given man I come into contact with will interact with me based on what I decide to do. This is a reasonable and entirely feasible course of action.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 01:34 AM
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Men: Women shouldn't fear for their safety. Women: Okay, let's try trusting you. Women: *get accosted/assaulted/raped* Men: Lol that's your fault you should've known that would happen. Repeat ad infinitum.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 12:19 AM
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Stranger danger for men ends at puberty. For women, it ends at menopause (if ever). Women are blamed when they "don't take enough precautions" and are vilified when they do. If you're going to get treated like shit regardless of what you do, it may as well be while you take the rhetoric forced down your throat to its logical conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 12:17 AM
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U r stoopid. STOOOOPID. How's that? Do you feel sufficiently aggrieved?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 12:09 AM
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So the women are wonderful effect is based on truth?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 10:04 PM
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Yeah, facial bone structure is (far) more important than how much muscle you have and 'there is no gym for your face'. What percentage of men have a facial structure so unfortunate that no amount of fat loss, skin care, beard sculpting, and style adjustment will help? Like, my heart goes out to the guys for whom effort really won't help. But the Donny Downers who preemptively consider themselves equivalent to a 4'10" balding indian janitor aren't doing themselves any favors.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 08:11 PM
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Men implicitly see women as interchangeable NPCs. That doesn't mean that women actually are interchangeable NPCs. In reality, expecting any women that you date to suddenly slot into the "woman" role of a relationship regardless of who she is as a person is just dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 03:04 PM
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Ah yes, the desire that doesn't even consider how the other person feels is better than the one that requires the other person to be turned on too. Makes perfect sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 11:32 PM
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Notice how none of those things are considered worthy of compensation. I think you're pedestalizing women. The things you mention are nice, but you wouldn't be singing praises about them if women leveraged them for the resources they need to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 10:32 PM
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So what have these normie men been doing to make up for these supposed inadequacies?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 09:35 PM
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Okay, but what percentage of women actually joined this app? How many accounts were bots or men? How many accounts were women who were curious, but would have otherwise lurked (anyone who would give up their actual personal info like that are idiots, though)?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 04:23 PM
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Men are not a monolith. The men who complain are men who weren't properly socialized as kids, and are angry that you can't treat dating like a videogame where you choose all the right dialog options to make a woman sleep with you. These men are, indeed, having an extremely hard time dating. Normie men are fine though, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 04:03 PM
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Men view women in whatever light is convenient in any given moment. Women are blamed for men's actions (and for not stopping men's actions). Women are pedestalized when men want something from them. Women are ignored when sex differences inconvenience a man in any way (see: drug trials). There is no actual consistent logic behind this because there's no incentive to hold men accountable for blatant cognitive dissonance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 02:23 AM
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They wouldn't take it seriously if it had no basis in reality. matriarchy loooool
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:00 AM
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Because women have little access to jobs that would allow them to live independently. And also the fact that there's no recourse to said violence being enacted.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:58 AM
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A lot of women are simply bad people and hateful cunts... who also have no recourse against the threat of male violence. "Safe" or not, women still have fear drilled into their heads in a way that men don't. This wouldn't be done if it had no basis in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:58 PM
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And on and on like this. If more men were to make sure to inflict personal and direct consequences upon misandrist women, then we'll see a lot less misandry. Tbh you'd see a lot less inter-sex interaction at all. Because it wouldn't address the actual reality of male violence that led to said misandry in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:33 PM
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Being an asshole to people is bad. News at 11. Misandry doesn't do shit, though. That would imply men actually take what women say seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:01 PM
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Not wanting to date single mothers isn't the problem. Being an asshole about it is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 01:35 AM
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Sex trafficking rates go up in places where sex work is legal. That said, I am pro-sex work in theory. There just needs to be some level of regulation to stop exploitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 05:51 PM
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Men are choosing when they choose to approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 01:20 AM
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And with guys disproportionately having less social skills, so they can say some out-of-pocket stuff that causes tension, especially when they double down on it. You forget that they disproportionately get away with it before it can erupt into real drama. Men get away with it because what are you gonna do about it? Kick their ass?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 01:05 AM
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So what's your solution? Chemical castration?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:19 PM
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It's true that money doesn't bring women; but damn, you couldn't LARP more believably?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:20 AM
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Ugly men don't have better personalities than attractive men. Life isn't an RPG. We don't have a finite amount of skill points to allocate to different aspects of our beings. Your refusal to do anything to look better doesn't mean you've used that effort to become a better person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 11:30 PM
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I too would love to be able to treat every case individually, but you do need a starting setpoint for general expectations lest you fall into all-or-nothing thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 09:38 PM
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I'm down for men being considered as emotionally intelligent as women. But men won't be as soon as that recognition of emotional intelligence then comes with the same level of expectations that women are held to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 01:40 PM
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And yet you'd rather cry in a mercedes than in a homeless camp. If you have access to resources, you can use it to better your life. If you don't, you're stuck. I'm not sure what's hard to understand about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 12:43 PM
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"""Biology""" never intended for anyone to fly in an airplane, own a bank account, or live without community. The modern age requires adaptations from both sexes. And since money is needed for a good quality of life (since your life will suck if you don't have access to it), it's only natural to pursue it (instead of expecting it to manifest out of the ether like a moron). Not sure what's relevant to my argument in your post edit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 12:30 PM
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Unironically yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 01:13 AM
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And once again: Why would you want to give men more excuses to assault women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 12:13 AM
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Women want a man who isn't broke. If you're making good financial choices with your life (especially at 19), you'll be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:24 PM
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"Traditional feminine jobs" pay like shit. If you want a good quality of life, following the money is a good place to start. This is common sense, but apparently a problem when it's women who think of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:11 PM
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Money can be exchanged for goods and services. Money is also what you need to have even a decent quality of life. Women wanted to be in the job market because men would treat them horribly and squeeze every last drop of leverage they could out of their paycheck. And the rampant inflation is more because of dropping the gold standard than anything. Be real.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:16 AM
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Men have treated women like chattel since the dawn of time and stuffed words in their mouths in order to fellatiate their own egos. News at 11.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:09 AM
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Men took all the good things for themselves, left women shitty scraps, and then act indignant when women want more than shitty scraps. That doesn't mean that all those good things are necessarily masculine. As the RP frequently points out women have gone from serving their husbands who love them, to serving their bosses at work, who utilise them. One service is monetarily compensated and protected by labor laws. The other isn't. You can't act surprised when women choose the option that gives the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:14 AM
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I would like what these guys who supposedly "try their best" look like, though. If I guy is fit, has a good skincare routine, has a flattering haircut, has well-fitting clothes in a style that speaks of who he is, and can otherwise carry a conversation well, he's going to be ahead of most other guys if he's otherwise at least average in most other areas. Though obviously with things like disabilities, anyone's going to have a way harder time. The vast majority of dudes are not disabled, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 03:51 PM
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Buying. Because there would be no sellers if there were no buyers. Also, things like sex trafficking wouldn't exist if there were no buyers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:49 PM
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Despite what women tell you they are the biggest enforcers of stereotypical masculinity Enforced by women how? The implicit demand that comes with this is quite unambigious: men are supposed to lead and be experienced at it. Women can damsel a bit, men cannot. So don't care. What are women going to do about it? Kick your ass?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 06:14 PM
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And once again, the meting of consequences conveniently stops short of holding a man accountable in any way. How fun!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 11:47 PM
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The point is that it took two people to make the bastard child, but only one faces any consequences for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:46 PM
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Men don't see women as threats, so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:00 PM
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A man can tell a woman he wants a pregnancy before he knocks her up. If she still chooses to stay with him after that point, that's on her. The problem with trying to turn it into the default expectation is that there's never any consideration on what's supposed to happen after. "Congratulations! It's not yours!!!" ...Then what? Where's the real baby daddy? The man who came in the woman and got her pregnant??? The semen came from somewhere, and that source has a responsibility. And this is gener…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 11:25 PM
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Men's resistance to telling a women that they'll want a paternity test before knocking them up is certainly..... suspicious
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 10:43 PM
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You could also tell her that you'll want one before you knock her up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 10:42 PM
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Men aren’t required to be “good” to get access to sex. Women are normally required to be “good” for access to relationships from the men they want to marry. How does this statement have anything to do with anything I've said in this comment chain. And there are no physical repercussions because women en masse can’t do a damn thing to a man. Literally where are you getting the idea that I'm saying otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 10:39 PM
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So what are your plans for holding the actual baby daddy accountable?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:28 PM
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That the manosphere will argue in whatever way will let them lay all responsibility at the feet of women, regardless of how bad it implies men are as well. They do this because they're not worried about retaliatory physical violence (which is accurate because they are, in fact, not receiving retaliatory physical violence for making these arguments).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 02:10 AM
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Reread what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:07 AM
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I don't think the manosphere likes demonizing men. I think they just like pulling arguments out of a vacuum since they know they're not gonna get their teeth knocked in for it. Tbh at this point it may just be reasonable to conclude that men are either too selfish or too stupid to come up with a cohesive framework on how men should be perceived that can apply to most scenarios.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:26 AM
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It really doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:29 AM
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It a weird one built on a bunch of myopic presumptions that involve a lot of outside factors that no one person has any control over. Like, there's not really much more I can say than "that's not realistic or sensible in any logistically cohesive way". Your argument is just bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 02:53 AM
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Why would the ability to write a convincing dating profile be the only worthwhile metric on whether or not women have superior interpersonal skills? That would be like saying that men don't have superior strength if they can't beat a silverback gorilla in a fist fight. It's just nonsensical.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 02:05 AM
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Dating sites would still have a 9:1 gender ratio. Men would still swipe right on literally everyone by default. How would having a woman be the one writing your profile change this?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 01:27 AM
10

In other news: Water is wet. Women are the same species of primate as men. Even with aggregate differences, treating any one category of adults inherently like subhumans is not a good idea long-term. That said, there's a reason that women lose their rights the second conditions in society become good enough that respecting one's fellow adults is no longer a matter of life and death. Though that reflects more badly on men as a whole than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 10:08 PM
14

Many men love talking about how easy it is to be a feminine woman by just being cooperative and being pleasant to be around and being smiley and agreeable, Always remember: If it were that easy and worth it to do it, men would've taken it for themselves a long time ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 10:07 PM
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Literally all scientific literature shows that women are way happier and more comfortable being in the submissive role Does this scientific literature control for all factors like how much community women have, feeling of purpose they have, and how much they can rely on their partner? I have no problem saying that "traditional roles" can impart life satisfaction since it gives you a standard playbook you don't have to agonize over the consequences of (in theory). But since community is dead in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 09:44 PM
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My only argument is that this is gender neutral. Young boys are more neurologically fragile than young girls. The compounding effects of this could explain why men seem to be faring worse than women in that department (since women will cobble together something semi-functional while men just flounder), but the isolation of modern society is taking a toll on everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 03:40 AM
0

Exhibit # 23975932434 of men being so myopic that they can only conceive of women treating men how men wish they could treat women. lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 01:04 AM
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The real answer is that there are too many different layers and scenarios to summarize it all in one go. Some men will lie and manipulate while maintaining a facade of normalcy. Others seem normal but have red flags (that may be ignored if they don't seem that bad on the surface). Others even are overtly terrible people. On the flip side, different women with different upbringings will react differently to different behaviors. A sheltered and naive woman might want to see the best in someone (or…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 12:49 AM
2

And sons were sold for the strength in their backs. Not the ones carrying the family name or equivalent. Male children at least had that. Our female ancestors, in general, chose mates based on things like strength and courtship displays. But they didn't. Because their fathers were making that decision for them. And women were traded for goats BECAUSE they had innate value. Men were considered too valuable to trade (well, unless you had like 10 sons, I guess). Families preferred to keep their son…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 11:36 PM
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Women have been the prize historically because they are the selectors of the species. Yeah, women being traded for goats by their dads sure were selecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 11:05 PM
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Because a lot of men's issues with dating apps stem from the 9:1 gender ratio and the downstream effects of lots of men swiping right on literally everyone. Individual women have control over neither of these things. Stop using dating apps if you hate them so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 09:41 PM
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Girls are held to higher standards at a younger age. They're punished more than boys for the same benign behaviors. Girls also don't have the implicit leverage of being a physical threat, so they either have to shape up, or get reamed until they do. I'm sure there's a bit of natural capability in there too somewhere, but it would be silly to pretend that they actually have any say in the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 06:12 PM
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Sure, focus on that (even though most men are taller than most women). Clearly that is all that matters, and women prefer an slimy obese 6'+ man over a 5'9" guy who clearly has his shit together. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 12:21 AM
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No short cuts, you mean. Most people can look pretty good with time and effort - including men. Men being too lazy to bother is their own problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 12:02 AM
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If that was how it usually works, women wouldn't warn each other to not be SAHMs. Because if that was how it usually worked, it would be easy street. But it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 11:56 PM
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The point is that her current access to her partner's wealth is not compensation. There's no nest paycheck, nor nest egg, nor retirement fund that she can use later down the road. If the relationship ends, she has no savings and no transferrable skill set she can use to maintain her existing standard of living. Child support wouldn't cover all the costs to raise the kids unless her (now) ex was deliberately generous. Alimony would only last a few years at most. She'd be screwed unless she got pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 10:13 PM
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So how is she supposed to maintain this standard of living if her husband decides to stop allowing her access to his bank account?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 09:22 PM
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Nope their is no consequences to these actions Which is why all women are doing it. Because it's such a good deal with no consequences - they's be crazy to not. Oh wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 09:17 PM
1

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 09:58 PM
2

If anything, it's worse that men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 09:57 PM
1

Nah. Men understand consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 09:39 PM
11

And a damaged reputation. And poor quality sex. And stds. Like, c'mon.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 02:13 AM
9

What the fuck do you think birth control is for.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 01:48 AM
21

Y'know, the least you could've done with this gender swap post is reformat it to be less brain melting when read. Many women in men's shoes would try to have constant casual sex without worrying about pregnancy In what fucking world. lmaooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 01:31 AM
1

If a man treats you poorly, and you don't break up with him, he will always treat you poorly. Men are certainly capable of growth and learning from their mistakes. But that growth will not be shown to anyone who was with him before his growth, nor anyone who takes him back after his growth.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 11:40 PM
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That's the fun part! You have no way of truly knowing until you're locked in. Better hope that you didn't choose wrong! Because you're screwed if you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:35 AM
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Alimony is only awarded in like 10% of cases now. And it only lasts for a few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:30 AM
13

More life satisfaction than having an unreliable husband and no employable skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:23 AM
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Corporate labor earns you money, which can be used to access many things. Household labor earns you nothing, which can (and will) be endlessly leveraged against you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:11 AM
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Up until your man starts drinking too much, reduces your access to his income to a mere pittance, starts fucking his secretary, and replaces you with a younger model after 20 years of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 02:55 AM
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Men like to say they'd slut it up and use their feminine wiles to separate men from their money if they woke up as women one day. Would they actually, though? Most wouldn't. Because there are actual consequences to those actions. Men just say they would because they like to peacock and there's no way to prove them definitively wrong without ruining your own life in the process. It would be like a woman saying she that would beat up people and steal their money if she woke up in a male body one d…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 02:50 AM
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Not well, but better than men would.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 02:21 AM
1

Society runs on double-think where men are all potential predators and women have to base their lives around this notion, but where woman are also big fat paranoid delusional meanie heads if they dare inconvenience a man in any way because of this. You can't avoid interacting with men on a day to day basis. Being an asshole won't get you anywhere. You just have to hope you won't get your life ruined because a man decided that you not coddling his ego constitutes disrespect.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 02:02 AM
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Men want a guaranteed set of inputs they can use in order to get laid. They also want to be seen as big special cool guys for blindly following this supposed script without using an iota of critical thinking. They also don't understand how stupid thinking like this is. Like, being a total sociopath can benefit you short term, sure. Good luck being happy and well-supported on your death bed, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 01:47 AM
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It's only "easier" for women if "ease of getting laid" is the sole factor you consider in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 01:03 AM
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Why? You can literally just not care. You're not in any danger.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 10:31 PM
1

Men: Nice clothes. They'd look great on my floor. Men: YOU GOT GREAT TITS YOU SHOULD LET ME SUCK ON THEM. Men: *wolf whistling at underage schoolgirls in uniform* Men, given the opportunity, will take something benign like a like for compliments and push it to the farthest reaches of sexual harassment. It's better they don't bother at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 12:05 AM
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Nah fam this ain't it. Women don't need unsolicited compliments.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 11:04 PM
2

If you disrespect a man and he kicks your ass over it, it's well understood to be your fault because you disrespected him. Rape jokes are disrespectful; but unfortunately, few women are able going to be able to kick your ass over it. The fact that there are no consequences when you disrespect women, but there are when you disrespect men, is what is meant by oppression (though I don't think that's the most appropriate term myself). Do you think using mace, pepper spray, a taser, or a firearm is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 10:08 PM
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Society no longer gifts men with unlimited lenience and plausible deniability when it comes to harassing women. Boohoo. Being a manipulative, unpleasant asshole has consequences now. How sad. Get platonic friends. Find a community. Actually get to know people. Myopically trying to shortcut your way into a woman's pants isn't going to work if you have literally nothing to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 10:58 PM
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Because men don't read lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 11:43 PM
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A level of emotional intimacy greater than that you have with your partner. Your greatest amount of emotional intimacy should be with the person you're planning on building a life together with. It's one thing when you're still in the early stages of your relationship, but no one should take priority over your partner (and later kids) once you're fully locked in.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 08:03 PM
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A man loudly mocking a woman is only going to be stopped by other men. Men by default avoid conflict with other men. Therefore, no one would actually stop a man doing it. Society will frown upon it, but won't do anything but broad proclamations that don't actually protect anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 04:38 PM
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Circumcision is bad. If a draft is needed, women should have to sign up for it too. Men shouldn't be looked at as pedophiles for wanting to work with kids. I don't have conversations in person about discrimination against men. Women still have it worse though since all industries and standards were made with the idea that women don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 04:22 PM
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Things like the "cry it out" method of childrearing have caused deep-rooted trauma in enough adults that it would be wise to treat the resulting consequences as a societal problem to address. I agree that curing arrested development requires that individuals take conscious actions to learn and grow; but it would help to have a solid framework (and maybe some kinds of practice groups?) that adults could use as a temporary crutch while they gain their bearings on who they are and how they fit in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 04:08 PM
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Men express disgust to "unworthy" women who show interest by tearing into them and making a show of it. Lucky for men, most women put some kind of effort into their appearance - so men can at least put them in the category of "slampig" and call it a day. But women who are so ugly that it would lower a man's status to be associated with them are afforded no such kindness.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 04:00 PM
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Men say their love is unconditional because they take women's labor for granted.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 11:48 PM
1

I think that this is a noble ideal. I agree that there's nothing wrong with a boy having a soft and beautiful first name. BUT we live in reality. While I like the idea of boys being able to have traditionally female names, putting this into practice would make your son's life a living hell. We're not at a point yet where doing this would have no effect on how he's treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 06:45 PM
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And once again, a man crows and whines about how paternity tests are mean and unfair while ignoring that he could just tell his baby mama that he'll want one before he knocks her up. And once again, a man crows and whines that paternity tests should be standardized, while avoiding any mention of holding the actual baby daddy accountable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 01:05 AM
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Is my paycheck the only thing I contributed to the relationship? I like to think I'd understand, if so.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 09:29 PM
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If I were around his age, I would prefer him over a man who does have kids (assuming that's the only variable in which they differ).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 09:19 PM
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You're ignoring the downstream consequences that women get if they take advantage of this purported "privilege". Your example would be more accurate if the lifetime supply of carrot juice was contaminated with botulism. You could drink it, but then you would get botulism. And men would keep trying to gaslight you, saying that there's no botulism even though there clearly is botulism. Men can drink the botulism carrot juice themselves if it's so great. lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 09:06 PM
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It's male solipsism. Men think that them saying they feel things is enough, but women have to show their love through actions or otherwise they're lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 10:55 PM
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Because men are the main characters of reality and women are big dumb meany heads. Men think that bad men come with big flashing neon signs, and refuse to believe that women aren't mind readers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 10:42 PM
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If a woman is taller and physically stronger with better athletic performance than the man in a couple how different would the relationship be compared to the average couple( the man being taller and stronger than the woman)? Aside from the height part, this would only be the case if the man was disabled in some relevant way. Would you expect her to physically protect you? Woman would you protect and/or carry him? Would you be the one to open jars and repair things in the house? Men don't actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 10:34 PM
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I think you are, in fact, not a woman. Work is where you get money. Money is what you need in order to better your quality of life. If you don't make your own money, you're screwed if your husband leaves you (because even if you get alimony, you won't get it forever). The workplace being built around men is unfortunate, but I like to think that more women making the big bucks will eventually lead to more workplaces that accommodate things like childcare (since it'll need to happen if we don't wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 10:59 AM
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Because the man-to-woman ratio is like 9:1.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:25 PM
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Men don't go out of their way to interact with strangers unless they intend to get something about it. Men know this about other men. Women no longer have to play dumb and pretend they don't know this about men. Why pretend that this isn't the case when everyone knows this and no one has any incentive to act otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 03:44 PM
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There isn't. That's why the birthrates are tanking.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 03:21 PM
2

The kept woman lifestyle being a luxury is fine if it means that women can access their desired quality of life through their own actions. Because the alternative is too many women being trapped in marriages with lazy drunk SOBs and no way to leave
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 03:01 PM
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It gave women a choice because it gave women the agency to (potentially) access their preferred quality of life instead of having to rely on their man to do it for them. Before, if your husband turned out to be a lazy drunk SOB, you were SOL. If you still want to be a kept woman in the modern age, great; but if your hubby doesn't fulfil his end of the bargain, you can dip and make your own money.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 03:53 AM
5

Is Chad here in the room with us.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 11:27 AM
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I'd say to an extent, but personal preference and the amount of importance placed on things like style and mannerisms would prevent all but the most basic of metrics.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 02:44 AM
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INTJ.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 01:57 AM
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Women become socially acceptable targets to dunk on because they can't do anything about it, so they take the hit to their reputation. Men can escalate to physical violence, so they don't. Hope this helps. I'm not saying it's a good thing (I think it should go both ways, personally), but it's the reality we live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 01:46 AM
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Nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 09:56 PM
3

lol If you say so, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 09:53 PM
5

What would you call it, then? I'm genuinely asking. Side hustle might be more appropriate if you're making money off it, but that doesn't feel right to me either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 09:40 PM
4

the hobbies men find interesting are severely boring
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 09:39 PM
0

Men say they see women as sex objects, and women make conclusions based on it. What else are women supposed to glean from the various iterations of "I wouldn't be friends with her if I didn't think there was a chance I could fuck her."?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 09:27 PM
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Is sex all women see themselves as. It's what men say they see women as. Or is there some mysterious 5D chess messaging that men are trying to convey when they say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 08:29 PM
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If he really respected her feelings, he wouldn't have wasted her time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 08:27 PM
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Men will agree with this until it's stated in a way that makes them look bad. Then suddenly men are not a monolith.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 08:25 PM
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Why would you want to stay with someone you have to lie and keep secrets from?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 08:21 PM
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Hobbies make it a bit easier because you have something to talk about (which makes it easier to hold a conversation). Someone sufficiently charismatic wouldn't need them, but hobbies can be a convenient tool if you're otherwise lacking in social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 08:20 PM
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Because people aren't mind readers. Men trying to get with women under the false pretense of being friends is so common that women are blamed for not expecting it when it happens. Plenty of women get assaulted by their supposed "friends" after rejecting them and then get no justice because they "didn't take the proper precautions". Also, this assumption generally doesn't occur in a vacuum. Maybe the woman in question is super paranoid for no reason, but the confession probably made a few things …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 08:16 PM
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Genuinely curious how one can be "smart about it". I think this would help men in countries like Japan (Karoshi) and South Korea (gwarosa) that clearly aren't aware of this. Most developed countries aren't Japan or Korea. The only thing I could recommend to someone from a culture like that is to move to a country where work-life balance is the norm. Not sure what to tell you. Newsflash: women can sometimes act entitled when they have options So dump the women who act like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 09:13 PM
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Then no wonder we're seeing declining birth rates because I'm not seeing the logic in a man working himself to death. He won't be working himself to death if he's smart about it. Carrying the financial load should also be acknowledged as effort and appreciated by women which is something many women are incapable of. Hahahaha in what world are women forgetting that bills need to be paid in money? The "financial load" is something with clear and obvious consquences that you can't ignore (and will …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 07:47 PM
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Get to know the woman herself and become familiar with her symptoms (and what she does to resolve them). Make it as easy as possible for her to resolve said symptoms (know the items she uses, make sure the supply for them is stocked, etc...). There's a lot of variation in how women experience periods. I wish I could prescribe a one-size-fits-all approach, but that would require overstating what some women go through or minimizing what others go through.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 06:14 PM
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A provider man makes sense in the scenario where the couple wants kids because babies are meant to be with their primary attachment figure (usually their mother) under the age of three. Most workplaces don't allow a mother to bring her baby with her, so having the non-primary attachment figure cover all the expenses until the kid can go to school makes sense if the kid is the top priority (which it should be). If we ever get to a point where all mothers have access to well-paid, flexible work th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 05:47 PM
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Victimized women elicit an emotional response like seeing a puppy get kicked does. Because it's seen as something she couldn't prevent because she doesn't have the requisite agency for it. Men are seen as having the agency to prevent things like this from happening to them. How much this actually is the case is debatable, but the masculine impulse to crow about how they would never let such a thing happen to them doesn't help things.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 11:16 AM
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At the same time, we women folk arent willing to reduce our expectations and date lower income egalitarians who are open to playing a larger role in the domestic sphere because we arent really over male gender roles. Men who are actually open to playing a larger role in the domestic sphere are few and far between. Most who say it don't actually mean it. I think it's disappointing that the wage gap debate hasn't been followed by social discourse on upending traditional gender norms like the prima…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 10:29 AM
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Yes. The world was built for and around men. All they have to do is take responsibility for the hand they were dealt. It's so easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:29 PM
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If these men are so quality, then you fuck 'em. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 02:29 AM
3

But I thought men's preferences boiled down to nothing more than "don't be fat" and "don't be a bitch"??? I certainly think that personality is important. But men are going to need to actually acknowledge that if they want it to amount to anything "Nuh uh, I don't care! Personality is feelings and feeling are dumb things for women!!!" and otherwise acting like a petty teenager is not a good way to get that point across.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 05:32 PM
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Men are territorial assholes. Women don't want to deal with added hostility. The façade of gentlemanliness towards the women playing with men would dispel once too many women actually make it up the ranks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:33 AM
0

Fucking where.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:22 AM
1

Because why would you want to stay married to a guy so petty that he'd track how often you deny him sex just to use it against you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:43 PM
1

It's a solid log that lets the wife know what a piece of work she's with. That means she can divorce him sooner than later.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:53 AM
2

To be the partner you specifically choose to build your life together with. Building a life together with someone is different from two people building their lives alone but in the same general vicinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 03:09 AM
2

And you can tell her that you'll want one before you knock her up, dumbass.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 04:46 PM
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Single and childless. What even is this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 04:46 PM
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"Men’s mental health" wasn't a field of its own because male everything in medicine is studied and treated as the default. That said, if shoulder-to-shoulder works better for men, shoulder-to-shoulder modalities should be become more common and accessible. Blaming a patient for a treatment method (talk therapy) not working is just dumb. "Chemo didn't cure your cancer? Well that's your fault!" I think our mental health system, regardless of gender, wasn't built for the kinds of attachment issues …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 04:15 PM
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The issue is that you're not telling her before you knock her up. Babies don't manifest out of the ether. If the sperm didn't come from you, it came from someone else. Men will cry and squawk about how mean and unfair it is that actions have consequences, all while performing olympic levels of mental gymnastics to try and excuse not doing the basic common sense thing of telling her they'll want a paternity test before knocking her up.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:36 PM
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Men say they want "natural" because "dolled up bimbos comprised of 50% plastic" are socially acceptable to dunk on. Unfortunately, men are not well-versed in self awareness, so they will almost always choose the "dolled up bimbos comprised of 50% plastic" if actually given the option.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:32 PM
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You haven't provided me with men arguing against forcing "baby daddies" to pay child support. Mandatory paternity exposes "paternity fraud" while doing nothing to ensure the actual baby daddy is actually forced to pay child support (so the baby daddy gets away scot free if he skips town). A DNA data base would immediately tell you who the baby daddy is, which means there'll be someone to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 12:48 AM
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The OP: Let's call female opposition to mandatory DNA testing what it really is: women not wanting their egos hurt. It's not really about logistics or concerns about governmental overreach or waste of taxpayer money or any other rationale they bring up. Me: You want to accuse all women of being cheating whores by default, but have no plans in mind to keep the men honest. Like, it's not hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 11:59 PM
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I'm arguing for a something that would actually make mandatory paternity testing worthwhile (instead of just being a government-backed system calling women cheating whores by default for no other reason than sating men's egos).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 11:31 AM
1

I unironically agree with this. People would be better off focusing on an exit plan than trying to salvage something that clearly isn't working.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 10:30 PM
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Men think it's suuuuper important to remember that men and women are different. Up until it inconveniences them in any way. Then women are really just smaller men and need to shut up and stop whining. Men are so used to the world revolving around them that they can't conceptualize why women would have needs that aren't 1:1 with some kind of male equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 10:21 PM
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There should be a database of all male DNA so errant baby daddies can be tracked down and forced to pay what they owe. "B-but that's not fair!" You want to accuse all women of being cheating whores by default, but have no plans in mind to keep the men honest. If you want to force sweeping nationwide testing over a 3% incidence rate (at most), you're going need to to balance it out with more than just "durrrr dat means da man doesn't gotta pay child support because it's not his!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 02:39 AM
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Feminists: "SA is an important issue to tackle". Men: "But what about my feelings tho."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 09:38 PM
3

Mandatory conscription for men. Give them the brotherhood and gainz they need.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 11:30 PM
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Men view themselves as the main characters of reality and get offended when common safety advice gets applied to them too. In other news, water is wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 10:31 AM
2

I only see downsides to being feminine, so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 10:17 AM
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But don't you understand? She could be used like a human fleshlight if she wanted! Men can only do that if they fuck other men!!! It's not fair!!!!!! lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 12:07 AM
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because they feel prepared and feel like they can do something about it, That's the fun part! Women can't do anything about it once they're in that situation. That's why they take the fuckton of precautions to avoid it. People who want you to feel afraid, powerless, or helpless, are not your friends. Or they're just being realistic. I'm all for people being proactive about their safety, but paranoia is not the way to do it. Paranoia's not the way to do it if you're a man, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 11:26 AM
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So a conundrum where neither side wants to show weakness because the other will shit on them for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 11:19 AM
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It's an interesting conundrum because men make it clear that might makes right (so therefore women are always wrong) and that they don't give a shit about what women think. So women, in order to have any influence, keep pushing harder and get meaner in order to be listened to. I'm not sure how to solve this since women taking the initiative to be nicer means men will take it for granted and not give reciprocation of any kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 10:48 AM
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women are far safer than they believe, and that fear-mongering to make women afraid of a comparatively smaller risk is not helping anyone. It makes them be proactive about their own safety and aware of the unfortunate realities of being female. Better than being easy prey, which is what they would be if they weren't. It is impossible to completely eliminate every danger, but it is absolutely possible to mitigate risk Which women do by being paranoid. Which is why they're victims less often than …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 10:35 AM
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Your argument is that women's precautions don't actually do anything to lessen the likelihood that they'll be victimized. Good luck actually convincing anyone of that lmao. Strong disagree for the reasons mentioned above. Society in the West cares far more about women's safety and well-being than men's safety and well-being. Caring means jack when a man decides he wants to be an immediate threat out of nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 12:30 AM
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Women are "safer" in that they take a metric fuckton more precautions than men do, and thus put themselves in fewer scenarios where a man could hurt them. If women lived as recklessly as men, they'd be the majority of victims for all crimes. There's absolutely no question.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 12:05 AM
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The world is built for and around you, but society forgot that you need to actually be integrated into it in order to reap the rewards. Still better than being a woman. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 10:09 PM
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"Rules for thee but not for me." They love to harp on about personal responsibility until it personally inconveniences them in any way. Then their situation is a mysteriously an exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 11:00 AM
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As long as the prep that went into both parties' appearances is equivalent. Making a high maintenance woman pay half is wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 10:52 PM
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I think it's equally as bad when the genders are flipped, if it makes any difference. But I live in reality where the actual danger and risk levels are NOT equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 10:48 PM
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It's the ability to apply relevant information from a few degrees of separation instead of only considering what's immediately relevant right now. The thing with emotions in particular is that they don't exist in a vacuum and they can be a through line for seemingly unrelated events. If you keep making your partner upset, there's probably an underlying commonality between the inciting incidents. If you don't want to be a shitty partner in this case, you should use your emotional intelligence to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 10:42 AM
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In what western country can men do that and get away with it? Most. And in what country do women not kill men? If women would nut up and kill the men that terrorize them (in self-defense, of course), we wouldn't have this problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 11:07 PM
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Men blatantly ignore women's attempts to communicate and regularly slough off as much responsibility as they can get away with (often using minor concessions as a cudgel to fight back against attempts to hold them accountable). Women clearly get frustrated with this since it's childish bullshit. More men should date other men though yeah. It would solve a lot of the problems in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 11:51 AM
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Jesus christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 11:14 AM
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Men aren't responsible, but they get the benefits of it regardless. Blaming or fearing men for the actions of all of our predecessors is stupid. Men can beat women to death with their bare hands. This is still the case in the modern age and it's why men have gotten away with terrorizing women for so long (and why they often still do). Not acknowledging this is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 11:08 AM
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I'm fine with differences that don't directly impact how I'm treated or the lifestyle I live.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 10:33 AM
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That doesn't change the reality of downstream effects of so much unchecked hostility.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 10:25 AM
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Men have gotten away with it for the majority of human history what are you talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 10:50 PM
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Alas, a cursory google search didn't get any exact numbers. Though since there are papers on it, I can only assume that it occurs enough to consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 08:53 PM
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Victims of sex trafficking shouldn't be punished for being trafficked. People who financially support the sex trafficking industry are bad people. I have no problem with the parts of the sex industry where everything is consensual and everyone involved wants to be there. But a line in the sand has to be drawn somewhere and I'd rather err on the side of supporting victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 06:44 PM
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The Harris campaign was absolute dogshit. The blame game after the fact is a shoddy smokescreen at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 06:37 PM
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If third world countries have a problem with it, then they should do something about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:12 AM
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"Durrrr men can beat up women! Dat means men are better and women should get back in the kitchen!!!" Money is the biggest form of the power in the modern age and women have the mental faculties to accumulate wealth. Men being the primary enforcers of peace doesn't matter much when said peace is so commonplace that it doesn't need to be directly at the forefront of most people's minds when they make life decisions. Could sufficiently motivated men hunt down and murder the women they see as gettin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 12:58 AM
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So Elon Musk can go make those preggo bots, people can stop pretending they want daughters, and humans can become a male-only species since clearly male leverage is the only leverage that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 12:42 AM
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If a man cheats, the worst that can happens if he has a secret family you know nothing about. If a woman cheats, the worst that can happen is that you raise a child that is not yours, which is obviously more devastating. The fact that you can argue this with a straight face is insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 10:38 PM
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Men don't want to get into physical confontations with other men. The vast majority will sit around as bystanders (men who fancy themselves heroes being the rare exception). Acknowledging this is the right thing to do since otherwise the continued cycle of women getting victimized and getting no justice for it because theoretically heroic men exist will just continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 10:55 AM
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Literally all a man has to do is not care. So no.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 10:43 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 10:39 AM
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"People whose job it is to help people exist and lots of them are men! Checkmate!!!" Like, these people exist, yeah. And putting aside the fact that plenty of them don't even do their jobs, why are you using them as your example? If anything, you're helping the idea that men weren't protecting women because you're specifying people who have a financial incentive to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 10:22 PM
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Men weren't protecting women anyway. But I guess actually acknowledging violence against women at all is a step up from "nuh-uh no it didn't happen! You're just a big fat liar face because men would've stopped that from happening!!!".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:28 AM
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Men can beat women to death with their bare hands. Women cannot beat men to death with their bare hands. Unsurprisingly, this results in differences in how the sexes act.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 10:07 PM
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The world was built for men since time immemorial. Institutions involving the skills that men are better at (like sports in the military) are pedestalized while institutions that primarily utilize what women are better at don't even exist. It's only in the modern age that women have been treated as anything more than afterthoughts. I think the biggest issues that feminism faces are so macro and abstract that'll take multiple generations to put even a chink in them..
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 12:48 AM
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You then answered "well she wants to test whether he can provide when they do have kids." You can replace this with "he can provide in case she becomes disabled" or "he can keep them afloat if she loses her job" if you want. your premise was correct that child-rearing or unpaid labor explained women's demands for provision, then childfree rich girls would not ask for it, yet they do. Your argument is that the reasoning has to either be ubiquitous across all types of woman or the premise is incor…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:01 PM
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TIL men are ethereal being who don't contribute to household messiness in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 09:00 PM
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This is what is so frustrating about bluepillers, whenever someone brings up a counterfactual you say "that's not generally what happens." Most people don't have 6x the average household income. I'm not sure how that's counterfactual.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:59 PM
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So go MGTOW?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 09:45 PM
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I'm all for women needing to make good decisions on their own, if it makes any difference. Like, if a guy clearly isn't reliable in any capacity, don't procreate with him. This should be common sense. That said, a big point of contention in these debates is on how visible labor and roles need to be in order to considered traditional or considered at all. If a woman is doing all the household chores without looking like a 1950s housewife, isn't she still doing a lot of the traditional female role…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 09:41 PM
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Is she doing the unpaid labor and household administration? If she lives her life as if she's single but cohabitating with a FWB who she otherwise doesn't involve with her life with since all domestic labor is outsourced, sure, 50/50 finances makes sense. This isn't generally what happens, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 09:31 PM
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Damn. Sorry you had to go through that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 09:28 PM
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I don't see what's hard to believe about some women heeding the warnings of others who got burned by trying to go 50/50 and then seeing demanding princess treatment as a way of avoiding a relationship where they wind up doing everything. If you'd like to reframe logistic considerations to "unga bunga monkey brain" logic, go ahead I guess. I don't think that's what it is, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 09:22 PM
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Then it looks like we're going to be arguing in a loop. Good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 09:15 PM
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Explain how this constitutes "going against my narrative" pls.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 12:48 AM
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Emotional labor. A.k.a. the mental load, which is primarily held by women. Physical labor. Not day-to-day in the modern age. Mantaining romance. Also not day-to-day (for most relationships, at least). Financial burden rests primarily on men. Most households require two incomes to stay afloat. Most successful relationships involve a higher quality man going above and beyond to mantain the needs of a lower quality woman all for the grand prize of her love and affection. The matriarchy insists on s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 12:42 AM
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He's gotta prove he can provide before she ties herself to him and she expects him to continue providing even after that. What's hard to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 12:26 AM
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So use it as a filter to find the remaining 1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 12:21 AM
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Then is your argument that women doing their part in the workforce doesn't outweigh the downsides of doubling the working population, thereby rending women "nothing but whiny little brats who want more privileges than whats already been granted."?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 12:19 AM
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That makes absolutely zero sense. If a man is lazy and cannot be bothered to do his share of chores, what makes you think he's going to treat a woman he is in a relationship with like a princess? Because it's clearer in its expectations. Rather than hoping that a man will display emotional maturity in the day-to-day, he's instead shunted back in the provider role where financial stability and token gestures of affection are expected. If a woman expects princess treatment, she expects to be taken…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 11:53 PM
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Is the act of driving to the grocery store itself a chore? Of course not. It's part of the "getting groceries" task. Commuting is part of the "job" task.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 11:38 PM
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Why would you want to date a woman who labels it as misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 11:23 PM
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So what's the equivalent day-to-day unfairness in relationships that men have to put up with?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 11:19 PM
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You can demand what you want in a relationship, sure. Maybe you'll even get lucky and find someone that agrees with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 11:17 PM
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Of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 11:16 PM
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And what exactly is a woman "trying to uphold toxic masculinity" going to do if you choose to ignore what she says? Kick your ass?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 10:42 PM
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I wouldn't put commuting to work in the same category as doing household chores, personally. Though I do agree that it sucks (especially where there's heavy rush hour traffic).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 10:19 PM
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Are you referring to "man chores" or the daily household drudgery when you refer to men's unpaid labor?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 09:57 PM
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Demanding "princess treatment" is a reaction to the unfortunate reality that "going 50/50" often has the woman doing just as much household labor/administration as before while also paying half of the bills. "50/50 isn't actually 50/50" is a common refrain I've heard. Personally, I think women would be better off alone than entertaining men that can't be bothered to carry half the mental load (or any mental load for that matter). But if they need a man that bad, at least "princess treatment" is …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 09:47 PM
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I can't tell if you're arguing in bad faith or genuinely think that posting a bunch of links with the expectation that I won't look at them is a good idea (occultfeminism.com isn't even an accessible website, genius). If you want to blame issues with the economy entirely on women entering the workforce and ignore the whole "America leaving the gold standard" thing that happened around the same time, keep your head in the sand I guess. I'm sure it's easier to blame the historically marginalized h…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 08:00 PM
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If you genuinely think that men taking away women's rights in the modern age wouldn't involve men milking it for all its worth, you're delusional. But way to completely ignore the economic aspect of my comment, which is the main reason why women are not "nothing but whiny little brats who want more privileges than whats already been granted". Very smart of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 11:16 PM
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Men are notorious for saying what they think women want to hear without giving too much thought on whether or not it matters if said words are a bald-faced lie. That said, "therapy bad" used to be a pretty universal mindset among boomers. I'm not surprised that there are those in the younger generations who still think it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 11:04 PM
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Backlash to decades and decades of women unilaterally being treated like the problem and men taking full advantage of it. Also men just adapting to modern life worse. Most men can't support a household on one income AND pay women for their labor, so men have to start taking on half the mental load. Which they are very very bad at.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:27 PM
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Men: They sky is red. Women: No, the sky is blue. Men: I can beat you to death with my bare hands. Therefore I'm right. The sky is red. A good chunk of the economic progress in the modern world can be attributed to the entire population having access to lucrative occupations and upward mobility. Women have done their part. Expecting additional humility just because the strength gap still exists is just sad. Could men take away women's rights if they collectively agreed to do so? Probably. Would …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 10:40 PM
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Obviously they don't. Physical strength determines women's place in the hierarchy relative to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 08:52 PM
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I'd like to think I'd know my own child well enough by that point that I could reasonably deduce how capable he was of sexually assaulting someone. That said, teenage boys are assholes and think that terrorizing women is a fun game until they have to face actual consequences for it. Then come the waterworks and feigned ignorance ("I didn't know it would be that bad! It's not my fault I swear!!!"). And if it's actually somehow making it to trial, there's likely actual evidence. So, off to boot ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:39 AM
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Is he going to do SAHM levels of labor at home? It'd be cool, sure. Most SAHDs don't, though. So I wouldn't risk it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 12:50 AM
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Career obv. I can use my hard-earned money to take care of myself in my old age instead of gambling with my future just to wind up alone anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 12:44 AM
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Yes and it’s hard to use your physical strength and athleticism to fight against social group exclusion. Men make women look crazy for trying that shit all the time and other men believe them. It's why most women know a woman who's been raped, but seemingly no men know a rapist. Men can just choose to not care and it usually works out for them. "Not caring" won't prevent a woman from being brutalized. Women have major favoritism in courts by far Men get due process. Sex crimes are notoriously ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 12:36 AM
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Hard to use any of those things when you're alone and about to die because a man decides to use his male strength against you. Plus, due process exists and women generally aren't believed anyway since it's more convenient to blame the person who's far less likely to be able to kick your ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 12:24 AM
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Anything that men are better at than women is pedestalized. Anything that women are better at than men is taken for granted at best. So yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 12:07 AM
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Yes it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 12:05 AM
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Because women don't have any immediate leverage equivalent to male strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 12:05 AM
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Men were always prioritized in every respect for the vast majority of human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 10:09 PM
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Having to impress women is a modern invention. "At this time, women already have complete psychological control over men...men seem to be unaware of these facts and go on finding happiness in their own subjugation" And yet women couldn't manipulate men into basic common fucking sense like "use women in medical trials" and "use more than just saline water when testing menstrual products".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 10:22 PM
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Women have ultimately had near infinite reproductive autonomy the whole time Hahahahahaha no.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 10:13 PM
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Hahahahaha no. Men wanted a free pass to commit sexual assault, so of course they'd propagate the idea that women wanted it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 10:08 PM
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"Gynocentrism" is just society beginning to actually consider women instead of treating them like worthless afterthoughts. Apparently this is difficult for some to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 09:58 PM
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Oh no. Boys are giving up in a world built for them the second they stop being handed success on a silver platter and can no longer find comfort in the idea that "Hey, things are tough, but AT LEAST I'M NOT A WOMAN LOL.". How sad. This would probably solved if boys got a semi-militarized education separated from girls. They'd get to find purpose through brotherhood and wouldn't have to worry about any kind of "unfair playing field" involving girls. And they'd get to burn off all that excess boy …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 11:24 PM
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Even if they manage to reproduce before getting arrested, better 1 kid than 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 09:53 PM
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Offer to take a few years off their sentence if they get a vasectomy. Get them out of the gene pool. A lot of the issues will be mitigated within a few generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 11:15 PM
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If you treat someone like you think they'll explode at any moment, they're not going to like interacting with you very much.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 11:42 PM
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Sure, but marriage makes it easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:38 PM
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You were supposed to vet the man before you let him impregnate you You were supposed to vet the woman before you impregnated her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 11:39 PM
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Well in the name of accuracy then, men's DNA should be stored in a database so the real father's name can be put on the birth certificate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 11:36 PM
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You're going to die someday. If you care about your long-term partner and aren't a total fuckup, you're going to do what you can to make sure that they're taken care of in the event that you die first. Getting married makes this way easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 09:56 PM
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That's where "you shouldn't have a problem with it if you have nothing to hide" comes in. Which is as dumb as every other "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" argument. Regardless though, I'd just do a paternity test without telling her. If you have to lie like that in a relationship, you shouldn't be in that relationship. Because you could, y'know, find a rare specimen that actually agrees with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 11:59 PM
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Women who bring kids into a hopeless situation instead of just getting the abortion are worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 11:46 PM
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Men will say yes because they don't realize how hard being a single parent is. In practice, they'll wind up dumping the kid on female relatives and do little actual parenting of their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 11:44 PM
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The vast majority of people don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 09:58 PM
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You wouldn't be stuck co-parenting a kid with an ex who hates you if you knocked up someone who was on the same wavelength as you (but oh noooo, that would extra woooooork).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 09:55 PM
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Not if you're fucking them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 09:32 PM
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You don't. But your other half likely will. Which is why they should know before you knock them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 09:31 PM
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A man can test whenever he wants for any reason or for no reason Yes. And people can have opinions on it (including his baby mama). and has no obligation to disclose unless he’s agreed to that ahead of time. Yes, but he's lying in a relationship. Which is generally a bad idea and an indication that impregnating his baby mama was a bad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 09:29 PM
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Why are you impregnating someone you think is a liar?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 09:08 PM
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And yet I'm not wrong. Because "my relationships, not your business" isn't going to somehow conjure a scenario where it's completely logical to wait until a baby's born to sprint a demand for a paternity on someone you have no reason to distrust.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 09:08 PM
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Your argument is one where you try to say that wanting verification of paternity exists in a vacuum and that a woman shouldn't be offended when you tell her you want one. The problem is that it doesn't exist in a vacuum, and you aren't calling her the next virgin Mary when you ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 09:05 PM
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"If you have nothing to hide, why won't you let me go through your texts?" "If you have nothing to hide, why won't you show me your internet history?" "If you have nothing to hide, why won't you get an STD panel done once per month even though our relationship is exclusive?" Like, c'mon.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 09:01 PM
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If you're going the casual sex route, you can easily have the conversation of "I don't wanna be a dad. If you get pregnant, abort it. If you don't, I'm fighting child support every step of the way." EZ.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 08:58 PM
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If a man is that concerned, he can use his big boy words and tell his baby mama before he knocks her up. (Oh wait, they won't. Because they'd rather be selfish children than acknowledge that actions have consequences.)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 08:54 PM
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Nope. Men don't get to handwave a whole-ass baby with the excuse of "durrrr, I totally didn't know better!!!".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 08:52 PM
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You're ignoring the part where men can use their big boy words and make sure they and their partners are on the same page before a baby is conceived. A woman's ego isn't spared if you tell her you'll want a paternity test ahead of time, but it will prevent an obvious life-altering mistake. If men can't trust their partners, and women refused to be in relationships where they're looked at as cheating whores until proven otherwise, then paternity fraud won't even be an issue since babies won't be …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 08:50 PM
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"I don't wanna hurt my chances of having a genetic legacy, so I'll just wait until the baby's born to accuse my wife of being a cheating whore."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 08:42 PM
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Nope. Statements have implications. You don't get to ignore them just because they're inconvenient to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 08:39 PM
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You're gonna go "nu-uh! You're not even arguing! So I don't have to respond!!!" regardless of what I say lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 08:39 PM
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And the latter is going to have consequences. It's on him for waiting so long.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 06:01 PM
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1/3 of those tested, are not the father. These are men who already had doubts that they were the father. Why do men have to have faith, when it is a simple test with a known outcome for a partner who has not cheated. Because if it's not his DNA, it's someone else's. And if you're going to want a paternity test regardless of how much you trust your partner, it's something you should tell her ahead of time so she can decide whether or not she still wants kids with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 05:57 PM
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So tell her you want a paternity test before you knock her up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 05:52 PM
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Babies don't manifest out of the ether. Their creation involves a man's sperm. If it's not your sperm, it's someone else's. Demanding a paternity test comes with implications. This is why I argue that if you know you're going to want a paternity test, you need to tell your baby mama before you knock her up. Less heartbreak for everyone involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 05:49 PM
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If there's no baby, then there's no baby being raised in a broken home after you demand a paternity test from your baby mama after it's born. Since telling someone you're going to want a paternity test comes with nasty implications, it's best to do it before you knock her up. If she dumps you for it, you know you aren't compatible and there's no baby made as a result of it. If she doesn't dump you for it, you're all set since you and your partner are on the same page and that's what matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 05:46 PM
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You're breaking the home (that has a baby in it) if you demand a paternity test after you knock her up. You could avoid raising a baby in a broken home if there was no baby to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 05:43 PM
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Let's say you get your partner pregnant. You never doubted in her. Both of you have dark eyes. But the baby has blue eyes. I don't think any dude would be that naive to believe that it probabily is a genetic disorder and never consider that their partner cheated. You're literally giving an example outside the scope of what I'm arguing. If you suddenly have reason to believe a kid isn't yours, it makes sense to demand a paternity test. Nowhere here have I said otherwise. Also you can take a pater…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 05:41 PM
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Women who commit paternity fraud are scum. But if you want until after a woman is knocked up to demand a paternity test, you are also scum.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 05:35 PM
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Nope. Your logic is goofy. Mine isn't since a man can always tell a woman that he's going to want a paternity test before he knocks her up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 05:35 PM
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You can literally tell her you're going to want one before you knock her up. If she leaves you because of it, it's better for both of you since you would've done it before a whole-ass baby exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 05:31 PM
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If you're going to want a paternity test, tell your partner before you knock her up. There's no scenario where it's a good idea to hide your desire for a paternity test until a whole-ass baby exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 05:30 PM
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So tell her you're going to want one before you knock her up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 05:29 PM
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That's why you tell her you want one before knocking her up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 05:28 PM
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As you quoted from the OP: And if a man is so insecure that no amount of logic will convince him and so stupid that he can't trust his own ability to vet for a partner that ISN'T a cheating whore, he should let his future baby mama know ahead of time to save them both the heartbreak instead of waiting until a whole-ass baby exists. It's not advocating for cuckoldry to tell paranoid men to use their big boy words before knocking someone up instead of using mental gymnastics after a whole-ass baby…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 05:27 PM
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How is it "ruining men’s lives to spare women’s feelings" to say that men should tell a woman that he's going to want a paternity test before he knocks her up?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 05:22 PM
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It's not pretending someone's a god to tell them you'll want a paternity test before you knock them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 05:21 PM
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Sure, but you can communicate your requirements for a paternity test before knocking someone up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 05:20 PM
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