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ConversationJironasaurus/r/seduction21/04/25 08:08 PM
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Field ReportJironasaurus/r/seduction26/03/25 05:16 AM
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Fundamentals Jironasaurus/r/seduction09/09/24 12:54 PM
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It's your photos.
/r/seduction14/07/26 05:36 PM
1

What is this brainless bullshit I'm reading?
/r/seduction03/07/26 01:28 PM
6

You are the offer.
/r/seduction06/06/26 01:50 PM
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So much bullshit. I've had way longer dates than that and still ended up with them after.
/r/seduction21/05/26 12:40 AM
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Social competence. How would you behave if you knew you couldn't fail in social situations?
/r/seduction20/05/26 12:18 AM
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What exactly did you say though?
/r/seduction01/05/26 09:03 AM
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It's sad. But I think it is commendable. These men want to improve themselves, particularly at communication. They may or may not be going about it the right way, but at least they try. You can't shit on someone for trying their best.
/r/seduction27/04/26 12:11 PM
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People are afraid of showing intent because they don't wanna be embarrassed, and/or they are afraid it will make the women lose interest (thus giving away the power). Once you lay your cards out on the table, you are effectively letting yourself be vulnerable. So while I don't agree with the approach, I can understand why they'd do that. What I'll say is... for anyone who wants to learn how to get better with women, they need to develop a thicker skin.
/r/seduction27/04/26 12:10 PM
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Gotta be realistic though. Most women tend to drop hints instead of directly approaching a man. Now you're sitting here being upset you were not approached, when instead, you could have gotten a number and a date?
/r/seduction19/04/26 12:31 AM
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I don't understand why you cannot be the one to approach instead?
/r/seduction18/04/26 09:27 PM
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Exactly. I don't wanna slam unattractive women. Everyone's different and some have great personalities. But some are also just plain horrible. Why take shit from average and then feel even worse after?
/r/seduction18/04/26 02:17 PM
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If I'm gonna get rejected, I'd rather a very attractive woman does it. Need to raise yourself and your standards, boys.
/r/seduction18/04/26 02:07 PM
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In my experience, the more attractive women are just more nit-picky with who they choose. Has nothing to do with emotional intelligence.
/r/seduction18/04/26 12:26 PM
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Not sure where you got that from.
/r/seduction18/04/26 12:14 PM
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I understand where you are coming, and I started out that way as well. That's why I said what I said, because in my experience, I had to unlearn bad habits I made while going after the less attractive women, and then realizing the same shit doesn't work with the really hot ones. So I reckon your metaphor of "3 steps back to take 6 steps forward" is more apt in the sense that you want to go after the really hot women right from the start. It's slower, but the overall time spent to get good will b…
/r/seduction18/04/26 03:42 AM
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I disagree. Simply because if you're dating really attractive women, they are less likely to forgive you for your mistakes. There's much lesser room for error, as compared to less attractive women. Besides, in the long run, you're just teaching yourself to settle. Don't instill bad habits like this. Go for the women you truly want. You'll crash and burn for sure, but if you have a learning mentality, you'll eventually reach a level you're happy with.
/r/seduction18/04/26 03:23 AM
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Boys be taking everything so personally these days.
/r/seduction16/04/26 06:45 AM
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There's nothing wrong with you. It's just a skillset problem. Skillsets are learnt.
/r/seduction14/04/26 11:58 PM
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So you're very insistent on the idea that you suck?
/r/seduction14/04/26 11:52 PM
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No such thing as easy. I don't know where you get that idea from, but everyone (including women) are finding dating difficult.
/r/seduction14/04/26 11:49 PM
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My girlfriend and I started out as FWBs. We both agreed on casual at first, but we also connected so well emotionally, and that escalated. We got together after 2 months. You date properly by treating the woman as an actual person and friend. That means you actually enjoy spending time with them outside of the bedroom, and you connect with her on both mental and emotional level. It also doesn't really matter what the person's preference is. They can want short term only, but if they ever meet so…
/r/seduction14/04/26 12:11 PM
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I don't know why you guys would go at it alone though. Being good with women is also about being good with people. You need to be social if you wanna get results out of this. And that means... having social circles are gonna be incredibly useful for you. Particularly for social proof. When you are out alone, people around you see that. That loner approaching girls all over the place is a very different look compared to that fun guy from that very fun group going around making friends. Makes your…
/r/seduction14/04/26 11:56 AM
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You are right that the focus on "what to say" doesn't help. It's popular because it's the easy way out. Having a line is always easier and simpler than putting in the actual work to learn how to make yourself relatable to other people, or how to bring out your own personality better. Those actually require you to think harder about your own approach, or from someone else's perspective. Unfortunately, I've learnt there is no easy way out. At the same time, in my experience, it's not that guys "tr…
/r/seduction14/04/26 01:32 AM
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Show us your profile maybe? That way, we can all better advise you on what to change.
/r/seduction13/04/26 02:24 PM
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Get great photos. My buddy is also Indian in Melbourne. He has plenty of matches, and I've seen some of them. They are very pretty. Your race will be a problem, for sure. And that means your profile and texting needs to be very good.
/r/seduction13/04/26 01:24 PM
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A few solutions actually. But the key to every solution is to simply be unshakeable. Meaning, it does not trigger you or hurt your ego in any manner at all. And you can achieve that by: Remaining humble Flipping it on her through reframing Agree and amplify (personally, I don't care for this very much. It also becomes very obvious when you keep doing it with each test) Using it as an opportunity to build togetherness So with your example, the first one would look like this: HER: "Your photo real…
/r/seduction13/04/26 12:16 AM
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Awesome man. You got this. If not, the community's always here to help!
/r/seduction12/04/26 06:19 AM
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What happened?
/r/seduction12/04/26 05:15 AM
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Please do. I'm invested now!
/r/seduction11/04/26 01:04 PM
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That's... Not reading the room well. Proper way to do it is to start flirting earlier and use innuendos way before it got to this point.
/r/seduction11/04/26 12:37 PM
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What's a performative profile?
/r/seduction10/04/26 12:17 AM
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It's really not the line though. It's the overall vibe she senses.
/r/seduction09/04/26 06:29 PM
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You won't go far with that mentality. I'm 5'7" and my girlfriend's 5'10".
/r/seduction09/04/26 05:12 PM
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"I prefer to have a set date. I'm sure both of us are busy people, so it's better for both our schedules that way. Let's plan a different date instead. I'll let you know again." And then re-ping her again another time.
/r/seduction03/04/26 10:47 PM
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He gave me a selection of photos. I picked out the best ones. Then gave him advice on how to take new ones, and what to look out for. He came back a few times, and I just kept doing the same till he got it right. I'd say it barely took a few days after his photos were set, and he started getting matches. Experienced the same pretty much everywhere too. Back home in Australia, here in Singapore, and even in Saigon where we went for a holiday. Women he matched with in Malaysia were offering to go …
/r/seduction02/04/26 06:55 AM
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Lots of overlap, but not necessarily the same.
/r/seduction02/04/26 06:51 AM
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Some of them from cold approach. Some from online. No offence taken. I thought you were OP initially, so I replied the way I did. My experiences are a little bit different from yours though. I haven't had your issue where I tell them about myself, and they make me wait as a result. If women do make me wait, it's usually because they are more conservative mindset-wise. Otherwise, the women who sleep with me tend to be more liberal minded. I present myself as non judgemental, very fun to be with, …
/r/seduction01/04/26 11:57 PM
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My girlfriend slept with me on our first date. 2 months later, she said she wanted a relationship. I've also had other women in the past who feel comfortable enough to sleep with me on the first date, and then want to get into a relationship some time down the road. And while I do know of plenty of women who refuse to put out on a first date, the feedback I've gotten mainly is, they don't wanna come off as easy. That's part cultural, and part personal belief. So while it's true some women do thi…
/r/seduction01/04/26 11:21 PM
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I think that's your problem right there. You come off as a fuckboy, so they make you wait. You said it yourself, they don't wanna be perceived as sluts, so why the heck would they sleep with a fuckboy so easily? Going along those lines, I am guessing you don't really connect with them then. Whatever connection you are making, you keep it superficial and detached. I'm assuming you don't even show them who you really are deep down inside.
/r/seduction01/04/26 10:17 PM
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Maybe you're coming off with fuckboy vibes?
/r/seduction01/04/26 02:30 PM
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My bad. I meant over-estimate. I have a buddy who's a really good looking guy. A little bit like a rough Theo James. He gets LOTS of matches. The cards are stacked against most men mainly because their photos aren't good. He wasn't getting many matches either until I fixed his photos for him.
/r/seduction31/03/26 06:37 PM
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Most people, in my experience, over-estimate the quality of their own photos. Just saying. (EDITED for typo)
/r/seduction31/03/26 05:58 PM
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You mean you try to become intimate with her and she starts playing games? What's the context here?
/r/seduction29/03/26 06:12 PM
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I really don't think that matters. Even if it's with a date you're getting to know, it still boils down ultimately to how you communicate the ex's position in your current life.
/r/seduction29/03/26 06:11 PM
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I told my gf that my ex contacted me. Nothing bad happened. A lot of what you said boils back down to the person you're dating. My gf knows my past quite well, and accepts I'm no angel and that was all in the past.
/r/seduction29/03/26 07:06 AM
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I think trying to be mysterious is silly, simply because there's no sustainability. It works great as a hook, but once that hook is achieved, you're gonna have to show her who you are. At some point, she wants to get to know the real you. Hiding that won't do you any good in the long run, and it makes her detached. You also cannot be mysterious forever as well. So instead of trying to be mysterious, just focus on building up attractive qualities about yourself, and understand how to convey that …
/r/seduction25/03/26 10:04 AM
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Men who are truly good with women don't think about, or care for frames at all.
/r/seduction25/03/26 09:24 AM
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Notice how I never said texting exposes a person's true nature? I think it's important to understand there's nuance to this, rather than make a blanket statement like yours. Your experience is valid for sure. At the same time, there are countless other examples that work alongside your experience. Just for example, I knew someone who met a girl from a dating app. She didn't know he was married. No clue, zero hints. They were hanging out with each other for weeks in fact, but she still didn't kno…
/r/seduction20/03/26 10:15 PM
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Having muscles help. Looking strong has always been favored. I will go as far as to say this is not really debatable. BUT... your problem is not that. You mentioned that: "I rarely get the traditional signs of attraction from women" That tells me you're reactive and potentially very passive when it comes to showing your interest around women. You also said: "... but I doubt it means they think I'm attractive." This suggests that you lack the confidence, and don't believe women can actually want …
/r/seduction20/03/26 11:00 AM
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Not really. 5 minutes is a very short time, and you really won't learn much in that time. It sounds nice in theory, but that logic won't hold up very well, especially when people are initially guarded around someone they first met.
/r/seduction20/03/26 10:38 AM
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Get out into the real world. That confidence will grow even faster and also sustain longer.
/r/seduction18/03/26 10:49 AM
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Or just dive into the deep end and start learning how to talk to the super attractive women, so that any mistakes you make aren't as easily forgiven, as compared to when you make them with less attractive women. You learn faster that way. Also, your analogy overlooked the fact that the physical body needs progressive overload because there's an actual limit in accordance to your body strength itself. But with cold approaching, there's no such thing. You are free to crash and burn super hard, and…
/r/seduction18/03/26 12:04 AM
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Looking beyond just the "fucking", I think it's good to experience what dating is like with other cultures. You really learn a lot and understand women so much better from gaining those experiences. For example, you'll see why culture plays a part, but you'll also realize that biology is just... biology. All these systems and PUA methods and whatnot, it helps you strip away the unnecessary and focus on what truly matters.
/r/seduction17/03/26 01:06 PM
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She's not interested.
/r/seduction16/03/26 12:00 PM
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Focus on going out and having fun. The fun + the women will be enough social proof for you. Use that to lead and pull.
/r/seduction13/03/26 12:16 PM
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I always think back to the idea that "adaptability wins". You can adapt to the world, or find other means to overcome what's become the norm. Having said that, I find it odd for anyone to think "texting is the frame of women". The idea of text messaging itself was conceived by men. The funny thing is, a common complaint from most men using dating apps is that "texting is too much effort and yields too little reward". I'd also question how true it is that women who love to text are anxious/avoida…
/r/seduction13/03/26 12:10 PM
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While women can be more attracted to you over time, this is not because you built it over multiple dates. It just means you showcased more of your personality, and they begin to like you more in addition to what they already liked from the beginning. So that means... you don't "build attraction over multiple dates". Right from the beginning, you are either attractive to them or you're not. Especially with dating apps, most women are only gonna give you that one date for them to decide if they wa…
/r/seduction13/03/26 01:53 AM
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I just flirt with them and use sexual innuendos. That's always been more than enough for me.
/r/seduction12/03/26 08:06 PM
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Nothing's changed. Whatever has worked for humanity is still working because guess what... humans still behave the same way they do 100 years ago. What's different however, is the fact the Internet popped up, and we have to adapt our approach to "seducing". But the principles have always been the same. Social proof in real life is adapted to social proof via social media as well. Presenting yourself well now has a double approach to it - in real life and via photos. Learning how to vibe with som…
/r/seduction12/03/26 10:47 AM
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For a start, stop pushing for the date immediately. Same with the call. You've called twice, she's missed it. Probably deliberately, because some people just hate taking calls. Just start with talking about your weekend, and how you felt she would have had a lot of fun if she had joined you. And then ask how her weekend is coming along. Use the ensuing conversation to lead to the date suggestion.
/r/seduction09/03/26 11:28 PM
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Leave.
/r/seduction21/02/26 05:58 PM
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"I don't let other people decide for me who's in or out of my league." The only reason people have problems coming up with a proper response to this is because, they lack the personal values that can help shape them into someone with self assurance and confidence. If you truly believe in your own worth, you won't let someone else decide that for you.
/r/seduction06/02/26 08:45 AM
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Because all these guys still forgot to learn how to talk to women.
/r/seduction06/02/26 08:44 AM
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Happy to take a look at your profile and conversations. Hit me up!
/r/seduction31/01/26 09:24 AM
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Our experience counts. We don't need to know everything anyway. What matters is we know enough to help, that's all. My default premise is “Women are not vending machines. You don’t push the right buttons in a certain order and have sex dispensed like a can of Mountain Dew.” Women definitely don't work that way. Taking your own person out of the equation shows a huge misunderstanding of how things work. OP could use a reminder there.
/r/seduction28/01/26 09:38 AM
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This is not on you. I've said something similar and some women have responded with "Not tonight. I don't put out so easily" or "I think we should wait". Fact is, there are some women out there who will sabotage themselves when everything is going well and right, because in their minds, it's too good to be true. And so they have to nitpick and find some flaw or imperfection to justify not moving forward. It's just people being scared. Your date sounds like that's what she's doing. I reckon moving…
/r/seduction28/01/26 12:37 AM
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I won't be too harsh on the latter. He could be waiting for the comments to peter down first before replying. Doesn't matter. We do what we can to help. The rest is on him.
/r/seduction28/01/26 12:26 AM
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I think PU in general still has a way to go in terms of understanding women and the dynamics between man and woman. The terminology and the steps are good training wheels. But just like any discipline, the training wheels need to come off at some point and the man's gotta put himself out there instead of hiding behind techniques and strategies, or believing that that's what gets him the girl. This is something I don't think a lot of PUAs ever truly grow out of, simply because they started off wi…
/r/seduction28/01/26 12:25 AM
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She presented you with a few opportunities to go home with her, but you felt resentment because she mentioned about this guy she's thinking of dropping? If I were you, I'd just make a joke about how "it sounds like the poor dude probably doesn't even see it coming", and then just pivot the conversation to something else about you and her. Going forward, I think it's good to bear in mind that a better mindset is to be unshakeable. Being triggered so easily by what women say doesn't put you in a g…
/r/seduction27/01/26 11:51 PM
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The way you break this down so technically makes me feel like you weren't trying to connect properly with her, but just going through a checklist of steps instead.
/r/seduction26/01/26 06:07 PM
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If it works, it works man.
/r/seduction21/01/26 12:18 AM
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Same here! AMWF? I'm 5'7 and my girl's 5'11.
/r/seduction20/01/26 11:20 PM
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I've probably texted thousands of women at this point. Texting back immediately is fine. But I'll say don't text too much. Go out, do your thing, live your life. Make her yearn a little.
/r/seduction13/01/26 07:44 AM
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The M3 model is a guideline, not an actual rule of thumb. You gotta learn to be flexible and adapt to each social situation accordingly. If a woman met you and 5 minutes later, she said, "You're hot. I wanna bang you", are you gonna say, "No wait. I haven't gone through the Comfort phase with you yet" or are you just gonna take her home? You also gotta remember Mystery came from a place where he was unattractive and needed time to make women want a guy like that. But if you are hot, or have put …
/r/seduction07/01/26 02:09 AM
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I'd just say, "I'm still thinking about that night we had together. Would love to make it happen again, but this time, with a proper date..." Covers all your angles, so she doesn't think you're just down to bang. At the same time, if she says she really enjoyed herself too... then that's reciprocation and you got mutual agreement there. Always helps with moving things forward.
/r/seduction07/01/26 02:03 AM
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Nice quote, but from my point of view, it feels more like you're talking about yourself.
/r/seduction27/11/25 12:18 AM
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Maybe you're just not a very good coach?
/r/seduction24/11/25 12:11 PM
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That's just being a defeatist. Anyone can do it if they work hard enough. Some people have to work harder than others, but it's not impossible.
/r/seduction22/11/25 10:16 AM
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Because there are very few manly men out there, and people don't want to feel like they have to change themselves. Or that if they aren't manly, they'll never get a woman. Though that's not even what I'm saying.
/r/seduction28/10/25 09:56 AM
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Do even greater then. Why stop learning?
/r/seduction25/10/25 02:10 AM
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Weird thing to say, but okay. I'll counter with this. Give it a try. Bring out the manliness from within you, and be that manly guy while talking to women. Experiment and see where it goes before you dismiss it.
/r/seduction24/10/25 08:37 PM
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I said "trump all 3 things". But it's not the only thing that attracts women. There are a lot of factors that can attract women. Can being feminine attract women? Sure. But if you put a feminine man and a manly man side by side, every woman will feel that biological attraction towards the latter without any words being said. It's just our bodies reacting to nature. Why do you think women love leaders? Because the illusion of manliness is there. Also, you're suggesting that being jacked equals be…
/r/seduction24/10/25 08:27 PM
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The one thing that trumps all of those 3 things is... manliness. At the end of the day, women just want a manly man. It's the same with how once men meet a very feminine woman, he'll feel this natural attraction towards her. It's just a biological thing. David DeAngelo got it right when he said, "Attraction is not a choice."
/r/seduction24/10/25 07:45 PM
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I don't have specific lines. But I do like to misinterpret things she says sometimes and reframe it as if she were being sexual. Or just being overall cheeky. I wrote this... the concepts might help you with some ideas on how to take it in a more sexual direction. It's basically flirting 101: https://authenticgentleman.com/online-dating-strategies/flirting-playbook-build-instant-chemistry-through-text/
/r/seduction24/10/25 04:34 AM
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Insert innuendos in your bio to imply that youre being sexual. And then do the same during your conversations. I personally don't like being direct unless it's clear that she is. Otherwise you risk a report and/or a ban.
/r/seduction23/10/25 12:36 PM
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You don't. When they ask, just describe it in a fun way.
/r/seduction23/10/25 12:32 PM
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No. Better off paying for Bumble.
/r/seduction23/10/25 12:28 PM
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Women have grown very wise to the act of love-bombing. They see it as a red flag now. Personally, I reckon you don't need it at all, and if you think you do... that tells me you don't really have much to offer to the woman. If you did, you'd recognise there are way better approaches to attracting women.
/r/seduction22/10/25 10:04 PM
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Maybe that's why. There's already an age gap, so I reckon you guys aren't even connecting on the same level.
/r/seduction22/10/25 10:18 AM
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Likely not even a woman.
/r/seduction20/10/25 12:12 PM
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I'd just wink and say, "Absolutely" with a cheeky grin. You need to get into the "it's game on" mentality. That being said, work on your wink at home first.
/r/seduction18/10/25 08:45 PM
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It's not the ignoring part that they love. It's the willingness to walk away. Most men stick around, but when you show the willingness to walk away, you instantly suggest that you don't need her at all. Also, this only works if she finds you attractive. If she doesn't find you attractive, then you walking away means relief for her.
/r/seduction18/10/25 12:19 AM
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It's just her reality. She's met plenty of weirdos before, I'm sure. Nothing to be concerned with though, unless you're the one weirding her out.
/r/seduction17/10/25 10:08 PM
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It's the implication that you are arrogant when you say shit like this. It's the same with women asking you that exact same question. You'd feel like she was putting herself on a pedestal too. You should've just said, "I look for the same things too. I believe in connecting with our values as well." She would've agreed with you on this, because they're also looking for the same. And then you use that agreement to verbally escalate.
/r/seduction16/10/25 12:04 PM
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You need to be there to see it, in order to believe. I've trained under 2 mentors, and I dare say... out of this world amazing. No one else I know comes close to that level. One of them is a close friend in fact, and up till this day, he's a living example of what an attractive man should be like. They can be that friggin' good. Having said that, we had the head of the Texas lair come down a long time ago, and he was sharing stories of how some very pop company's star instructors were spotted wa…
/r/seduction07/10/25 02:25 PM
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That's why you lead the interaction regardless of the signs. If you're gonna play that reactive game of acting only on hints, then you're basically telling her you're afraid of rejection. And she'll never respect a man who's afraid of rejection.
/r/seduction01/10/25 09:24 PM
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I like to think of it as... if you're awesome, more people will say yes to you than no. As much as I agree women should shape up in the dating game as well, it's also fair to say women will put in a lot of effort for the right man. As an example, someone messaged me for help just a few days back asking how to get a date with a girl he met 14 months ago. In the end, she agreed to book a ticket and fly to meet him for the weekend. It's a very short trip, and it's only 1 example, but I've seen wome…
/r/seduction26/09/25 09:05 PM
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It won't die. But people do need to adapt. You cannot hope for the environment to stay the same when things change all the time. This is circumstance that's out of your control. It's the same with how some of you talk about how you're not so much a texter but more of a real-life interaction kinda person, but fail to understand that everyone's maintaining connections via texting these days, and so, that refusal to adapt and learn new skills is what causes you problems. And like you said, you're n…
/r/seduction26/09/25 12:26 PM
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It's NOT the topic, it's the vibe. You can talk about plenty of random topics, so long as you keep things fun and you know how to make her feel good.
/r/seduction23/09/25 11:55 AM
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30 minutes. Wrote a FR detailing the whole story too.
/r/seduction20/09/25 10:52 AM
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Could be either or both. I'm seeking opinions, so there's no right or wrong.
/r/seduction19/09/25 03:20 PM
0

Why aren't you calling her out on her odd behaviour?
/r/seduction18/09/25 09:26 AM
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Yes, but only if your social media profile is good. Have a good profile with photos that show your interesting lifestyle, and she's more likely to reply.
/r/seduction12/09/25 11:22 AM
1

In practice, "see if there is a Sunday that was just strike right" is nice. It makes everything seem a lot more genuine and natural. But in reality, if you don't make things happen, someone else is going to and you'll miss out. So you gotta ask yourself if you're willing to let opportunities slip in hopes of letting everything happen naturally, or will you carpe diem when the time comes. Neither's wrong, just a matter of whether on hindsight, you wished you had taken the opportunity or not.
/r/seduction11/09/25 12:48 PM
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Your problem isn't that you don't know how to flirt. Maybe you don't know the exact way of doing so, but it seemed like you and the lady got along pretty well. What you lack is the initiative and the courage to make things happen: You had a massive window of opportunity to do that, but your inaction led to nothing. At the beginning when you guys hung out, you could've led her to either your place or hers, but you didn't do that. And it doesn't boil down to you not knowing. A simple question - "H…
/r/seduction11/09/25 10:13 AM
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You already know how to break the ice. Your problem is you're too paralysed to make a move. Take away the fear and you'll be fine.
/r/seduction06/09/25 06:03 AM
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It's a very weird mentality I see surfacing sometimes. It's a "meet more people this way and your problem will be solved" approach. Sounds good on paper, but in practice, it probably yields very much the same results as other approaches because the common denominator (which is you) hasn't changed. And rather than focus on only one way of meeting women, recognise that all the different ways can work, and that they can complement each other. You may want to get out there and cold approach more, bu…
/r/seduction05/09/25 03:19 AM
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Ya know, it's really not that complicated. Continue being the awesome person that she met and fell in love with, and don't let your relationship fall into a dull routine.
/r/seduction29/08/25 08:58 PM
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I'd say for it to be sexual, he'll need to be more suggestive. I can show examples of mine, and you'll see a huge difference.
/r/seduction24/08/25 03:25 PM
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Very different field, so your analogy just simply doesn't apply here. I'm very sorry to say this. But until you get the experiences that you need, a theory is just a theory. It has no stable foundation to stand on, simply because your lack of results means you don't really know what truly works. Do yourself a favour, put that ego aside and humble yourself. You can spend a decade in your bedroom and read up an insane amount of information about the mechanics of attraction, but anyone who's been o…
/r/seduction24/08/25 03:06 AM
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🤣 Get the results first. Experience will ALWAYS be king. Until then, it's all theory.
/r/seduction24/08/25 02:45 AM
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Hoping to see some new faces. Gotta say, some of the successes that have been happening for the guys since we started the call has been amazing!
/r/seduction22/08/25 07:32 PM
2

I had one before finishing reading.
/r/seduction22/08/25 02:44 PM
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So many things to break down here. We're all imperfect. No one's talking about perfection here. But you can have flaws, and still be an amazing person and/or beautiful on the inside out. At the same time, regardless of whether it's one man's meat and another's poison, good is ultimately recognised as good. The exception is obviously not stated here, because if we went into nuance, we'd spend all day typing. Along those lines, I think most people can generally agree on what are good qualities, an…
/r/seduction22/08/25 02:09 PM
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Punctuation, buddy.
/r/seduction22/08/25 05:55 AM
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Those sound like excuses to me. I'd say it's the absence from each other's lives that gave the woman time to think about how attracted she is to you, and she realized that the attraction was fleeting. Of course, I may be wrong. But it sounds almost too coincidental.
/r/seduction22/08/25 04:16 AM
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I get it though. Some people will run because they think it's too much. Also, self sabotage. Very common to see in this community.
/r/seduction21/08/25 11:04 PM
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I never used the word "high maintenance" though. And I think it's also important to differentiate that from amazing/high quality.
/r/seduction21/08/25 10:50 PM
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Step up. Be the best version of yourself. High quality women don't go for low quality men. At the end of the day, the principle that X=X is always true. If you want an amazing woman, be amazing first.
/r/seduction21/08/25 07:01 PM
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Not sure if this counts but - Her: Why are you chewing gum? Me: So that my breath will be fresh when I kiss you. Her: Oh so you have a plan to kiss me... Me: I don't have a plan. I have an idea. But that idea will lead me to a plan.
/r/seduction21/08/25 03:37 AM
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Okay I see the humble flex 🤣 This is a no brainer to me. Go with whatever gets you the dates. Simple as that.
/r/seduction20/08/25 08:00 PM
2

Why can't you do both...?
/r/seduction20/08/25 07:59 AM
2

I just make a lot of suggestive innuendos. If she leans into it, I lead the escalation.
/r/seduction19/08/25 11:27 PM
2

Hard to tell based on this very short description. My simplest guess is they see you as someone who sleeps around, and therefore, they don't take you seriously. If you texted all of them by "keeping it short", then it's almost likely that.
/r/seduction19/08/25 01:29 AM
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Looking forward to seeing more people in it. We had a good turnout last week, and we appreciate the stories everyone shared. Great support, especially if you're doing this alone with no help.
/r/seduction15/08/25 01:39 PM
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Happening in an hour's time. Let's go!
/r/seduction08/08/25 11:00 PM
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Looking forward to it! Hope to see some newcomers as well. It will be very helpful for everyone, even if it's just to remind you not to give up in your pursuit of excellence!
/r/seduction08/08/25 11:18 AM
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When she clearly shows a lack of interest and you're still persisting.
/r/seduction07/08/25 04:56 AM
3

Simply by the fact that in this response of yours: Some time, while a teenager, I heard words - "Know what people want, and the world will be yours." You used a hyphen ("-"), but in your article, it's emdashes ("—") instead. That already raises a ton of suspicion.
/r/seduction05/08/25 12:53 PM
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Whoever DMed me previously should join this call. After that, you can get access to the WhatsApp group. It's incredibly supportive and you'll get tons of value being in a group like that, especially in the long term.
/r/seduction01/08/25 01:56 PM
4

It's one of those colored pill narratives that's as dumb as it sounds. Keep her happy. Simple as that.
/r/seduction01/08/25 11:48 AM
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I can attest to all of that. Thanks for sharing your hard-won wisdom!
/r/seduction29/07/25 10:05 AM
3

You can actually join the WhatsApp group some of us are on if you need feedback. We're all happy to help, I'm sure.
/r/seduction29/07/25 04:21 AM
9

Doesn't work for you, maybe.
/r/seduction29/07/25 03:19 AM
1

Where is this small touristy place you live in?
/r/seduction27/07/25 04:29 AM
2

Yeahhhhh that's not text game at all. There are so many parts to text game though. I'd say start with having a structure, so you can lead the conversation from match to number, and then finally to date. That will help you know what to say when you are unsure, as well as with the flow.
/r/seduction25/07/25 10:14 AM
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No. In the long run, it can actually hurt you. Because you are creating bad habits for yourself, that you end up bringing into interactions with really attractive women.
/r/seduction24/07/25 10:47 AM
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You'll need to program nuance into the software. I'm not sure how that's possible, because human communication is so dynamic. Even AI at this point has problems reading nuance.
/r/seduction23/07/25 10:09 AM
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Lol @ the amount of pessimistic comments. Just don't forget to still have fun. That's always important. And flirt, flirt and flirt. It gets the verbal escalation going, and builds up good tension. Don't be needy. Your post sounds like you could slip into that, so just be aware and chill.
/r/seduction23/07/25 09:48 AM
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If your mindset is like that, you're just making things tougher for yourself even if you talk to women. Start being more conscious of how you think about yourself, and fix your self perception.
/r/seduction17/07/25 03:26 PM
2

"Are you ready for our lessons, <name>?" "I bet our friends were wondering what we were talking about last night..." "<name of friend> sure did a great job introducing us last night 😉" Choose your poison.
/r/seduction17/07/25 01:19 PM
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Don't bother trying to fix this on the men's side. They will gatekeep you regardless of whether you're nice to them or not. Instead, be allies with the women. Be friendly, outgoing, charming. Do whatever it takes to get them on your side. The men will naturally follow after that. And if you wanna take things a step further, be the one who organises the best parties. Then, you can decide which men get to be in the group.
/r/seduction17/07/25 09:32 AM
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They love a man who knows what the fuck he's doing. They hate the player part, because it makes them feel very insecure. But they absolutely love it when you know how to talk to them, how to make them feel good. It's a contradiction, because typically you don't have one without the other. It's the same with bad boys. They aren't all that nice, but their confidence is just one of a kind. And it excites them. So learn what excites women, incorporate those qualities into your person, and you can be…
/r/seduction16/07/25 09:47 AM
1

AI will help to a certain extent, but don't rely on it too much. At the end of the day, it is still just learning from theory and not what actually works in the real world. The best you can do is let someone experienced listen for you, and have them critique.
/r/seduction15/07/25 08:28 PM
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The problem is the men who get into this don't learn to integrate what they do with who they are. Partly, it's the problem with the system. It doesn't allow men to be authentic. At the same time, the men who use systems that don't allow them to express themselves truly keep putting on that fake front.
/r/seduction15/07/25 05:01 PM
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I write down everything that happens on my dates. It helped me tremendously to learn what I did right, and what I did wrong. Of course it's good to know what to look out for. That bit is part social intuition, part knowledge. So, have principles that you follow, and you know for sure it works!
/r/seduction15/07/25 04:39 PM
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I talk about relationships all the time. My beliefs, values, experiences. Then ask about theirs. Connect on how people are just terrible, and how we really just want connection. Also, her experiences with men online is more than enough conversation for one evening.
/r/seduction14/07/25 10:37 AM
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I mean, it's already in their name. Involuntary Celibate. Would you listen to a guy who can't get laid, about how to attract women? 😂
/r/seduction11/07/25 04:41 PM
1

Same lol
/r/seduction09/07/25 08:16 PM
2

In my experience, having her read between the lines is great, because it can build up a lot of anticipation and desire. Which is where you want them moving forward. Having said that, women aren't gonna differentiate between interest and intention all that much. They know you want to f**k. The only reason they let you is because of how you wrap that gift up and present it to them.
/r/seduction06/07/25 10:41 PM
2

Just drop me your numbers in the DMs, guys. I'll create the whatsapp group.
/r/seduction05/07/25 12:45 AM
6

You did everything except learn how to talk to women.
/r/seduction04/07/25 02:35 PM
14

I had this exact same problem ages ago. It came from a fear of rejection. In the end, I realized I had to be okay with whatever comes next. Once I accepted the possibility of rejection, I was able to make a move regardless.
/r/seduction04/07/25 06:41 AM
1

Send me the link. Thank you for doing this!
/r/seduction03/07/25 08:04 PM
1

As obvious as it is that OP wrote this with the help of ChatGPT, I gotta say most of the points in there are valid. A woman's not gonna sleep with you unless she respects you. How you get that respect, unfortunately, boils down to so many things. Like setting boundaries, being willing to disagree with her, being nice but not a pushover etc. I believe what OP is trying to say here is a man's gotta be masculine, so that she can settle into her feminine and let you lead. Again, there are so many wa…
/r/seduction02/07/25 10:56 PM
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I wrote a post on how to flirt on my blog not too long ago. You can actually read it by clicking on my profile. It's titled The Flirting Playbook: 5 Techniques to Build Instant Chemistry Through Text.
/r/seduction02/07/25 10:38 PM
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High level advice. Unfortunately, most people are stuck right at the beginning with processing through their fear and anxiety. It takes a lot of willingness to let go, and that always means they have to sincerely be okay with failing in order to let go.
/r/seduction02/07/25 10:30 PM
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I don't consider myself good looking, but I've been able to get conversations going pretty easily on dating apps. So in my experience from seeing how other men text online, it's just a matter of your approach. Fix that and you'll be fine. For a start, work on having a structure. One that allows you to have a good conversation, and easily helps you lead to the date. After that, it's just the details you need to focus on.
/r/seduction02/07/25 10:27 PM
2

The best way to learn is to experiment with whatever theory you've read. That's how you know for sure what works and what doesn't.
/r/seduction01/07/25 11:00 AM
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As the saying kinda goes... you either pay with your time or money. OP will find out with his time that it doesn't really help as much as he thinks it does. Unfortunately for him, time cannot be earned back.
/r/seduction29/06/25 04:06 AM
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Was there anything in particular that you implied in your conversation that may have given her the ick?
/r/seduction28/06/25 07:05 PM
2

Thanks for doing this!
/r/seduction28/06/25 05:13 AM
1

Awesome. See you guys on Friday!
/r/seduction28/06/25 05:13 AM
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I'm happy to do that and share my experiences. Sounds like something fun to do!
/r/seduction27/06/25 05:57 PM
2

You have to get rid of the belief that's holding you back. It could be with therapy, mental reframing or whatever method you find works for you. Personally it took me years to overcome it.
/r/seduction27/06/25 01:52 PM
1

Don't read too much into the signs she's giving you. Women who are interested can deliberately withhold signals sometimes. Just lead the interaction forward. You'll know when you eventually escalate anyway.
/r/seduction27/06/25 08:43 AM
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Jesus fucking Christ. Please don't do this, OP. You don't need to neg someone to have them like you, or chase. Women are wise to negs now, and it's manipulative as heck. Be better than cheap tricks like this.
/r/seduction27/06/25 08:40 AM
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Inertia tends to be the result of you having a particular belief that holds you back. You talk about how you're of a certain value now, but it sounds to me like you don't quite believe yourself. So it could be that you don't believe you'll achieve the results you want, and thus... You're not taking action. Of course, I could be wrong. So you'll need to ask yourself whether that's the case. Or is it something else with your mindset.
/r/seduction27/06/25 08:27 AM
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If she doesn't remember you, then you aren't exactly perceived as higher value in her eyes. That being said, ask for her number. Seek to have some consistency in your texting. Connect more, and communicate better about your time issues. No one's gonna sit around and wait for you to pop back in and out unless they're really into you. Even so, there's a limit to their waiting.
/r/seduction27/06/25 07:58 AM
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Imagine Maurice Moss from The IT Crowd using that line on a woman. The likelihood of it working is almost zero, because he would have almost no "creds" just based on his look. So it's either your vibe or look that's the issue here. Fix that, and you'll get a better response.
/r/seduction25/06/25 06:19 PM
1

It's okay. You can spell it out if you really want to get a discussion going. Otherwise, I'll spend my time focusing on answering more important questions that help others.
/r/seduction25/06/25 06:12 PM
1

Pray tell. What's the key point?
/r/seduction25/06/25 06:03 PM
1

I have a 30 year old friend. Almost became my client. Only reason he didn't was because he backed out at the last second. But he did toastmasters for a few years, and he's still a virgin. The skillset is completely different. You may get confidence, but the context is totally different. You may also think it's cheaper than hiring a dating coach, but that also means you completely misunderstand what a dating coach can teach and do for you. Bottomline... Don't be like that friend of mine.
/r/seduction25/06/25 05:46 PM
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You just need to focus on 3 main things with conversation: Building togetherness - Finding common ground (connection) - Foreshadowing Building togetherness means having the mindset of "we", "us" or being partners. That means no competing, but thinking in terms of collaboration. Your conversation/texts with her is all about "you and her", not "you or her". With finding common ground, people do it via common interests or beliefs and values. Use the latter if you wanna go deep. Make them relatable,…
/r/seduction24/06/25 10:48 PM
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If what this girl said is any indication, then I suspect you're being a bit too serious during your dates. You mentioned shared interests, traveling and whatnot. What about the fun part of it? Were you guys being playful with each other, and bringing a fun energy to the interaction? Are you escalating with her verbally, aside from physically? Touch is one thing, creating a sexual/romantic tension is another. Also, I re-read your original post, and it sounds to me like you're not very certain of …
/r/seduction13/06/25 01:32 AM
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Your problem is retention. If you're getting dates consistently, then attraction isn't an issue. Retention has mainly to do with lifestyle, who you are, and the connection you build. What's the age of the women you've been meeting? How's the connection you have with them?
/r/seduction11/06/25 12:19 PM
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I think you have to read it very intently. One of the first things the author mentioned right at the beginning was about Marilyn Monroe, and she described a very micro behaviour, which helped reinforced what I was coached at. So it's not just about the tools or exercises, but rather, the little details that she talks about. Don't run the book through NotebookLM to get the main points. Actually read and think very critically about it.
/r/seduction09/06/25 07:05 PM
14

Get some! Just kidding. Check out The Charisma Myth by Olivia Fox Cabane. To the people who say charisma is an option, they clearly have no idea how magnetic it can make a person.
/r/seduction09/06/25 12:49 PM
2

I am sorry you think that way. There is a lot of joy to be found in connecting with people, and it's something I learnt much later than I should. I am not a high energy person per se, but I do get that way naturally when I am enjoying myself or the company around me. I've met people like the ones you've mentioned, of course. They are clueless, not very self aware, and sometimes... just doing their best without having any ill intentions. You may think it's fake, but it can also be a journey of se…
/r/seduction07/06/25 05:38 PM
1

In real life or online?
/r/seduction07/06/25 05:27 PM
4

Watch stand up comedians and observe what makes them funny. That's probably one of the simplest ways to learning how to be funny.
/r/seduction07/06/25 12:32 AM
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You're gonna have to train for it. A strong mentality is just like a strong body. You hit the gym for those muscles, so likewise, you have to condition your mind to be confident. At the same time, competence plays a huge part. If you're a very competent person, you will naturally be more confident of who you are. If you have a great life going on for you, wouldn't you be more confident? So you wanna work towards competence, and having a life that you can be proud of. But it's not easy. It takes …
/r/seduction07/06/25 12:30 AM
2

Maybe my experience is different. But I am very lucky to have been in the company of some very awesome men, and I wouldn't say they over-compensated for anything. Some people just genuinely love having fun, and want to include the people around them. It's as simple as that. My mentors and my buddies are like that. They are probably the best examples I can think of, not that I can prove it to you in any way. Guess you're just gonna have to take my word for it. And we are always going to meet peop…
/r/seduction07/06/25 12:08 AM
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Confidence can come in a very quiet form. As does manliness. Having personality doesn't mean you have to be a showman. There are people who will inevitably be the life of the party. You don't need to be, and you can still be attractive to women. I reckon you had a different image in mind, when I said having "more personality". What I meant was having layers to who you are, and not being one dimensional.
/r/seduction06/06/25 07:12 PM
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I do believe a lot of men aren't as well groomed as they can be. If more men put effort into looking good, their dating life would be easier. But having said that, I once had a buddy who told me this story. He was at some event, and this woman was checking out another guy there. So he decided to introduce them to each other, and about 10 minutes later, she left the conversation because the guy was boring her out. Make of that what you will. I won't say women who want manly men are playing games.…
/r/seduction06/06/25 06:34 PM
2

Annoying to have a personality...?
/r/seduction06/06/25 06:27 PM
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Confidence. Manliness. Sense of humour. Basically, a lot more personality.
/r/seduction06/06/25 03:39 PM
2

There isn't. I don't hug my dates straight away, and I still went 5 for 5 before I met my gf. Do you have to break the touch barrier? Yes. But hugging right away is not the success determinant you guys are making it out to be.
/r/seduction31/05/25 05:41 AM
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Oh dude, which part of Malaysia are you from? I'm in Singapore! I think it's more important that you are open minded about your own beliefs rather than being good/bad at something. Skillsets can be learnt, but it requires an open mind to get there first. The fact that you are willing to say, you could be wrong is a massive game changer. I actually started out with text game at around age 17-18, simply because I had a lot of social anxiety. I put off cold approaching for the longest time, but I a…
/r/seduction28/05/25 07:16 AM
2

You know, you can always ask your friend and see if he's okay with the both of you dating.
/r/seduction27/05/25 12:32 PM
1

I'm glad I'm able to help you see a different perspective. I still think that its not possible to generate that initial burst of attraction needed to get her invested into texting. I think it needs to be done via irl or though your pictures online. What are your thoughts on that? Back in the day, there was this computer software called mIRC (Internet Relay Chat), where you can log into text-based chatrooms and find strangers to chat with. That was the early days of the Internet. You really won't…
/r/seduction27/05/25 12:02 PM
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Muscles help. But for a skinny guy like me, I've punched above my weight many times, and I've come to see that your character is still ultimately the biggest factor.
/r/seduction27/05/25 03:23 AM
1

The way I see it, attraction can be built through texting almost as much as it can via real life. At the end of the day, texting is now being used heavily for communication. Women text all the time with their friends. Gone are the days when people build relationships only via phone calls and meeting up. These days, everyone texts to either get to know someone, or to maintain existing relationships. Going along those lines, that means you can build and maintain a relationship with someone just th…
/r/seduction27/05/25 03:18 AM
2

Isn't this city specific though? Like over here in Singapore, we have a stretch of shopping malls that spans easily 3 kilometers or so, and it's good for approaching after dark. In your city, I'm sure that's completely different.
/r/seduction26/05/25 03:38 AM
14

One of my buddies is Indian. He's in the airforce and gets posted to different countries all the time. Right now, he's somewhere in Italy. Racism is everywhere. It's inevitable. But he still gets along very well with women of all races. Obviously not all of them, but he's done well for himself. Not tall, probably 5'7 like me. But jacked. Speaks very articulately. All round cool attitude. I can see why women would like him, just simply because of his vibe. As much as I reckon you'll face issues n…
/r/seduction25/05/25 07:29 PM
1

Your texting isn't too bad. It can be polished for sure, but you sound like you just need a shift in mindset. You also need structure. Most guys just wing it when talking/texting, and that doesn't help them lead the conversation very well in the direction they want (for example... getting the date, creating more intimacy between you and the woman, building togetherness). Which is actually why most conversations fizzle out instead of leading anywhere.
/r/seduction24/05/25 05:43 AM
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I've met more women from dating apps than from real life. My last 2 girlfriends (5.5 years and 9 months), and most FWBs over the past 5 years (can't remember how many off the top of my head), and current girlfriend (2 years) are all from online dating. Used to do cold approaching before being with my current girlfriend, but seriously, who has the time to specifically head out just for that? My experiences have been great. If I told my 18 year old self what kinda dating life I'd have, he'd not be…
/r/seduction24/05/25 05:29 AM
7

Being authentic means never needing sexual validation. Actually, it's the reverse. Being authentic means you recognise that you need sexual validation (just like everyone else), and you're not hiding that from her or yourself. It's only human nature to need that, we're social animals and sexual beings. There's no running away from it.
/r/seduction21/05/25 11:01 PM
1

Leaving is you setting your boundary though.
/r/seduction21/05/25 04:38 PM
8

A simple example: A good man sets boundaries and does not let anyone cross them. He does not compromise on his values. He treats people well because he wants to, not because he wants them to like him.
/r/seduction21/05/25 01:09 PM
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I've found that the best way to screen a match for something casual is to be suggestive, but not explicitly. That means no sexting. What you say has to be suggestive enough that she gets an idea for what you want, and if she wants the same, she'll reciprocate. So it could be something like: "I bet we'd do more than just eat when we meet 😉" It's subtle, leaves room for a lot of imagination and plausible deniability, and doesn't state anything obvious. Of course, use your social intuition and know…
/r/seduction19/05/25 01:59 AM
8

It's true. I used to do dance floor game and it was fun as heck. When you're having fun, people just naturally want to be a part of that.
/r/seduction18/05/25 11:28 AM
1

You clearly don't get laid a lot because you have no idea how horny a woman can get. They want sex more than we do. They just want it only with certain men.
/r/seduction18/05/25 10:13 AM
1

Do a callback reference to your conversation on the dating app.
/r/seduction15/05/25 07:47 PM
2

I've sent you guys the link.
/r/seduction13/05/25 02:08 AM
1

I had someone refute a real life story that I shared before 😂
/r/seduction13/05/25 12:15 AM
6

I actually wrote a blog post on this, with 5 different techniques on how to flirt. Unfortunately, I cannot share the link here.
/r/seduction12/05/25 02:55 PM
13

I love it when they do that. Saves me the effort of doing that instead 😂 It's easy to lead it to talking about having sex with each other once the topic comes up.
/r/seduction11/05/25 03:08 PM
1

For sure. And that's because most of the coaches don't actually teach how to connect with the woman emotionally. I've seen plenty of them teach tactics about getting the woman's attention, but it feels like so many are completely clueless about how to build proper relationships. You can see it in their rhetoric, because they are always chasing the next number. And it doesn't help the people who are learning this gravitate towards the coaches who brag about their numbers. Just look at how popular…
/r/seduction05/05/25 12:13 AM
13

They aren't really calling you out on it then, I reckon. Sounds like it's more of the fact you messaged them both.
/r/seduction02/05/25 03:32 AM
70

Stop copying and pasting your texts.
/r/seduction02/05/25 02:50 AM
1

My advice is to verbally escalate over text. Nothing too blatant. Being more implicit will get the tension going. Right now, it just sounds like there's more romantic tension than sexual. And try to meet her soon so the both of you become physically intimate.
/r/seduction01/05/25 06:24 AM
1

Did you guys not sleep with each other only because of logistical issues, or you didn't escalate physically?
/r/seduction01/05/25 06:21 AM
5

Not a dead end. Just send her a text saying you appreciate where she's coming from, and that you are happy to wait till she's comfortable. Some women just take a few more dates.
/r/seduction30/04/25 01:40 PM
1

Just checked it out. Saw that dating services were affected too. Dating advice is still quite frowned upon on ad platforms, but many have pivoted with a self improvement slant to get over the restrictions. Just something I thought you might wanna bear in mind if you're gonna get back into coaching.
/r/seduction28/04/25 08:44 AM
1

A hook can be something as simple as: "Oh I had a lot of fun today. I was running all over the city." OR "I run 2 businesses, so I'm always busy during the day" OR "I know of a few high-energy, fun adventures we can get ourselves into..." The idea is to spark curiosity and get her to ask you questions. It's one way of baiting them into committing more to the conversation.
/r/seduction28/04/25 08:39 AM
5

I make a whole lot of statements and bait them with hooks. That typically gets the questions going.
/r/seduction25/04/25 01:17 PM
2

All the more reason you cannot rely on signs. Assume she's flirting, lead, and you'll find out if she's interested.
/r/seduction24/04/25 05:10 AM
1

She's always flirting.
/r/seduction23/04/25 12:07 AM
1

The need is evergreen, so there are always men looking for help. Plenty of them could use some old school advice though!
/r/seduction22/04/25 08:37 PM
1

What do you deem as high quality though?
/r/seduction22/04/25 08:34 PM
1

No worries. I was merely trying to find out the mentality of our fellow men. But I do appreciate you calling that out and trying to help. I reckon for those who think women only go for the top 3% of men (or whatever those numbers are), it's a good reminder that people are very dynamic ultimately, and that everyone is different.
/r/seduction22/04/25 08:33 PM
1

Same. I am a total nerd about the dynamics between men and women, and that came from me being socially awkward as a kid. If this were taught in school, it would have been my favourite subject.
/r/seduction22/04/25 12:46 PM
2

You're 22, you're in that phase where you're trying to find out what you like and don't like. As much as it's horrible to feel the way you do, now you have more clarity over your preferences. That also means you're gonna be focusing more on connection from here on. It's a good thing.
/r/seduction22/04/25 12:45 PM
0

Chill, dude. I'm just here to gather opinions and see what the gen pop thinks. Don't worry, I've taken care of myself pretty well with regards to everything I read from social media.
/r/seduction21/04/25 11:35 PM
1

What are some of your personal experiences? Or rather, how do you feel it's tougher for you and other men you know... as compared to someone from say, the UK or other parts of Europe?
/r/seduction21/04/25 11:19 PM
1

You can say that. I'd like to think the common man has a rough gauge based off his own experiences, even if the number is arbitrary. It informs me of what his mentality is like though.
/r/seduction21/04/25 11:15 PM
1

😂 I saw your username and had to check your comments. Dude, one of my buddies used to follow your stuff religiously!
/r/seduction21/04/25 11:13 PM
7

Getting her to say yes has to be progressive. It's not about building a pattern. She's not going to magically go from "yes I work here" and "yes I absolutely love this city" to "yes, I'll give you my number". Progressive means the commitment has to go from small to big. So it's more like, "yes he's not creepy" to "yes he makes me comfortable enough to keep talking to him" to "yes he's actually quite a fun guy" to "yes I do enjoy conversations with him" to "yes I am willing to give him my number"…
/r/seduction21/04/25 09:24 PM
2

In your opinion then, what would you say is the percentage of women who are picky versus those who aren't?
/r/seduction21/04/25 09:19 PM
1

What keeps you in the game then? That is, assuming you have not given up, or decided that you're gonna find someone from another country instead.
/r/seduction21/04/25 09:19 PM
2

Actually I don't think women are as picky as social media makes it out to be. But given the current rhetoric around women, especially the ones seeking providers and the men who believe it, I'm wondering what makes men out there still try their best at meeting someone special. Obviously, in this subreddit, the opinions may be a little different. But I reckon it's still good to understand what's the mindset for most of us.
/r/seduction21/04/25 09:17 PM
2

This is why you go for the ones you really want. At least if you get rejected, you wouldn't feel this kinda sting.
/r/seduction19/04/25 09:35 PM
8

That would be something that requires conscientious work on your beliefs and mentality. So it's therapy you need to go through, self administered or not.
/r/seduction18/04/25 03:12 PM
1

Wait for the next story. Don't push.
/r/seduction13/04/25 11:44 AM
1

I'd try to build togetherness as soon as possible. Start small, and then build it up. So for example, with her initial reply, I'd have responded with, "I love myself some ravioli. Gotta say, I think you and I have good taste in food 😉"
/r/seduction13/04/25 11:02 AM
7

Respond to another story instead. For the next time, make the conversation about you and her. That long ass talk about ravioli is not personal.
/r/seduction13/04/25 09:40 AM
3

For my experiment, I decided to like her on Tinder to see what would happen. The result was eye-opening, and maybe I was naive for not noticing this before. She basically lost all interest in me—she didn’t match on Tinder and stopped giving me any signs in person. Because she gave you signs in person, and instead of having the balls to approach her, you liked her on Tinder instead. I can see why she would be turned off. If you know you're in a small city, then you should know your numbers are go…
/r/seduction12/04/25 09:56 AM
3

Your texts are not good, dude. If you're getting them to match and respond to you the first 2 times or so, I reckon you're running off the strength of your profile. Your photos are probably better than most guys, which is why you are getting the matches in the first place. And the way you move your conversations towards the date, it felt so abrupt. Out of nowhere, you just go: "They do say dogs are similar to their owners. What about you, how does drinks tonight sound to you" But here's what I t…
/r/seduction11/04/25 10:57 PM
1

Best thing you can do is show us your texts and we'll help you see what you're doing wrong.
/r/seduction11/04/25 08:36 PM
2

It's like what OP said. Excuses are infinite. The only way out is to reframe those thoughts for the good of your own mentality. A good way is to challenge your own beliefs by taking action.
/r/seduction11/04/25 04:18 PM
2

Because you are the best option. But to be that, you have to believe in yourself first. You can say that's delusional, but very successful people are always a tad delusional. They didn't get to where they are having self doubt stand in their way.
/r/seduction11/04/25 10:30 AM
2

If you have the desire, you just do. It's not about whether you think about it or not. The mind/body just wants what it wants. If it's not what you want, then clearly, you just won't stick to it for long.
/r/seduction08/04/25 01:49 PM
1

No easy fix. You need to be bold and start being more flirtatious. More playful. More sexual. You have to accept that you're gonna get rejected somewhere down the road and be okay with it. A good mental reframe to this is... They're on the date with you. They want the same things you want. So either you do that, or someone else will.
/r/seduction06/04/25 10:18 AM
5

It may not be on you though. If she isn't feeling it, she just isn't. You can do everything right, but you truly cannot control how a woman's body responds to you.
/r/seduction05/04/25 08:41 PM
8

It sounds to me like she wanted to feel something from the kiss, but didn't. The spark, so to speak. And if they feel nothing from it, it doesn't matter what you do.
/r/seduction05/04/25 08:23 PM
9

His line is not the problem here. Tried and tested many times, personally.
/r/seduction05/04/25 08:22 PM
1

From the get-go. It's progressive, so you can't go from 0 to 100 right away, as no one should. But this is not a technique. Instead, it's a willingness and sincerity to put yourself out there and be okay with being vulnerable , genuine and imperfect. Sure, there are women who chase because you are emotionally unavailable, but that's a result of them wanting what they cannot have. That can be replicated through other means. And the lack of emotional distance is not the cause of any shifts that ma…
/r/seduction04/04/25 10:13 PM
2

Having a conversation structure / gameplan helps. Tons of experience. The desire to actually get really good at dating.
/r/seduction04/04/25 01:42 PM
0

Exactly. The languaging has gone stale for them. Being very direct and honest is the way to go.
/r/seduction04/04/25 12:24 PM
1

You're not communicating your values clearly. I had that same problem, and the initial thing I did was treat it as a shit test and overcome it with humour. But it's actually to be taken quite seriously, so you have to address that concern. And rather than merely say "I do want a relationship", you have to tell her - for example - that you take relationships very seriously and you refuse to settle for anyone but someone that you have the best connection with. Obviously there's more, but it's also…
/r/seduction04/04/25 12:21 PM
1

The problem is, too many men are using it and just by sheer numbers alone, too many end up wanting casual. But saying "I want a long term relationship" only boils down to absolutes, and it's not common - in their experience - for men to speak like that. So naturally, anything else other than absolutes sound like a lie.
/r/seduction04/04/25 08:28 AM
16

Women have already wised up to that line. Just FYI.
/r/seduction04/04/25 01:33 AM
1

Because whatever you learnt to do is not who you are.
/r/seduction02/04/25 07:09 PM
3

Image and mindset overhaul. The mindset is more important, because bad boys have a lot of confidence, and you need that to pull it off.
/r/seduction31/03/25 01:16 PM
6

Sounds like you didn't escalate properly though.
/r/seduction30/03/25 12:45 PM
2

I don't know what type of photos you have, but from what I understand, most men have photos of themselves outside... with a very generic background, not even smiling, and just a simple shot. Consider more lifestyle or interest-based photo. A photo of you on a jet-ski is instantly going to say a lot more things about you VS a photo against some greenery. Another thing to take note of is your body language in your photos. The way your eyes look at the camera plays a part because it says a lot abou…
/r/seduction28/03/25 01:56 AM
1

I'm an online dating coach, so I can help. Show me your screenshots. I'm happy to diagnose what's your problem. Just hit me up!
/r/seduction27/03/25 12:03 PM
1

Absolutely. If you're not getting matches, it's your photos. If you reckon your appearance is lacking and good photos won't help, grooming always comes in incredibly handy. There are Tiktok accounts from hairdressers who's really shown that a man can go from a 4 to a 7 just with a change in hair style. Given the amount of fashion and grooming tips available so easily out there, there's really no excuse. Also, the gym never fails. You may not wanna do it for the pursuit of women, but your first c…
/r/seduction27/03/25 11:59 AM
1

You don't think that's normal?
/r/seduction27/03/25 07:27 AM
4

No easy way around it. I had that problem of trying to escalate and didn't out of some subconscious fear, and it hurt. Lost quite a fair number of women because of that. It simply got to that point where I decided I had to let myself fail and get rejected if I escalated. And that was how I succeeded. You have to do the same - force yourself to just make that move and deal with whatever may come.
/r/seduction26/03/25 09:53 PM
1

No obsession. I just didn't want to type up an entire conversation that went from match to phone number to date. And this is just to highlight how my flow works, as requested. As much as everyone here wishes to get a date with the most minimal amount of texting, I believe it is more important to be adaptable and not have a set limit on the text amount. Some women want to get to the date fast, some want a bit more texting before they go on one. Unfortunately, since most men don't have as many cho…
/r/seduction26/03/25 04:05 PM
2

Sounds like you're on the right track! It does take time and self awareness, but knowing is the first step. Keep at it and enjoy the process!
/r/seduction26/03/25 02:36 PM
2

I reckon just like online dating, having a clear idea of what you need to do on the date always helps. On dates, your natural focus should be on your vibe as well. She feels your energy first and foremost, so having a great strong vibe always helps.
/r/seduction26/03/25 12:38 PM
2

Yup. My conversation game-plan has a structure: Quick rapport (using commonalities to get a quick connection) -> Foreshadowing (painting a picture in her mind for the date) -> Sexualization (being suggestive and mostly innuendos. Not a necessary step before first date) -> Sex/relationship I always ask for the number when the conversation is at a high point. You have to feel the momentum of the conversation to know when that is. By theory, that's what I would do. But after a while, once you feel …
/r/seduction26/03/25 05:34 AM
2

Should've called her out then. "Hey I'm trying to flirt with you here, but you keep changing the subject." Be playful about it. Or use your body language. Tell her to stop talking for just a moment and hold her gaze. If she tries again, just say stop and keep that gaze. You have to show her you are not going to let her interrupt you. Then crack into a big smile and say something flirty.
/r/seduction23/03/25 11:42 PM
1

Why are you letting her dictate the conversation though?
/r/seduction23/03/25 07:38 PM
1

I reckon if you are broke and jobless, then that's what you should focus on instead. Even if you can approach women right now and get dates, logistically, it's just more difficult for you. What happens when a woman is interested in you and wants to go on dates, but you can't even afford gas to drive to the date?
/r/seduction23/03/25 11:06 AM
8

Just according to this sub alone, as a man, you need to be mysterious, learn how to "control the frame" or DHV or qualify and so on... those are principles since the time of Mystery Method. But if you think about it, they are mostly about things you gotta do to attract her, to get her interested. I'm not saying they don't work, but for the most part, there is no sustainability. And they don't allow you to be authentic, because let's face it... how mysterious can one actually be, once you get to …
/r/seduction23/03/25 11:03 AM
1

Sorry, not gonna DM anyone for this. The only thing holding me back from putting them up is the amount of editing I have to do to block out their names and any other private information. So if I do it, I'll either link it to my website, which is against the rules here... or who knows, maybe I'll type it up.
/r/seduction23/03/25 10:12 AM
2

As someone who went through the same process as you did, yes you're still improving. However, if you want to accelerate your learning, the best thing you can do for yourself is still to approach women in real life. You'll learn infinitely faster just from cold approach and going on dates. The dates is crucial, because that's where you put every skillset into practice. You don't wanna just get good at approaching itself.
/r/seduction23/03/25 10:09 AM
0

I've found that the best way to keep them engaged and connected is to engage and connect with them. This broadcast of interesting updates are good for once in a while, because if you try to do it regularly, you risk being seen as the "social events guy", rather than the guy she wants to do.
/r/seduction23/03/25 06:23 AM
21

Absolutely. My approach has always been to be as real as I can be, without the need for games or cheap tricks. Has worked for me for the longest time too. A lot of men in this sub and beyond think that they need to play these games, simply because they were either taught these principles and they followed blindly, or they don't realize there are better ways of meeting and having a woman like them for who they are.
/r/seduction22/03/25 04:03 PM
9

Is that something that might interest a lot of people? I have a ton of conversation screenshots that show how I meet women from dating apps.
/r/seduction22/03/25 03:52 PM
6

I'm very context-dependent. For the most part, I prefer to escalate suggestively rather than overtly. But if I know there's obvious sexual tension, I tend to say just enough to get things moving in that direction. I don't like being overt before meeting, because that takes away a lot of the tension and basically leaves nothing to her imagination. You've already told her what you wanted to do to her, what can you say next? You shouldn't worry too much about overt sexual communication, and instead…
/r/seduction21/03/25 10:24 PM
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While I agree with the video in general, a lot of what she says also contradicts my real life experiences. Just as an example, she mentioned that you can chase a woman and she loses interest, but the moment you ignore her, she comes back. I can also state there are many moments when you chase a woman and she lost interest... and when you ignore her, she just simply fades away. The both of you just stop talking completely. Another example: she talks about being unpredictable to create a pull. The…
/r/seduction21/03/25 10:16 PM
1

You should stop reading signals and just lead the conversation to where you want it to be. Reading signals is the attitude of the unconfident.
/r/seduction18/03/25 09:48 AM
1

Preselection works, but you cannot be blatant about it. So mentioning women you've dated before can work in the context of a funny story, but saying you've got dates lined up next week comes off as bragging. The best way to show preselection is through your vibe. A confident, social, and charismatic vibe will let her automatically assume that you're preselected. That works much better than whatever you say, because people will always believe what they assume more than what they hear from others.
/r/seduction18/03/25 09:43 AM
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In my experience, this is a terrible idea and let me tell you why. From a woman's point of view, a lot of men on these dating apps have absolutely zero class when conducting themselves. They try to turn the conversation sexual as soon as they can, often seguing from a completely unrelated topic. They also enjoy sending dick pics without asking her first. So, a lot of women actually perceive men as creeps until proven otherwise. By casually and randomly asking her to send you a picture, without a…
/r/seduction18/03/25 12:15 AM
7

Very short term thinking there. In the long run, months down the road, there won't be any mystery left. And then what happens? Excitement boils back down to you putting in the effort to making it happen.
/r/seduction15/03/25 01:33 PM
2

I'm an online dating coach. One thing I'll say about coaching others is, you wanna have a replicable system. Ideally, you also want something unique. Simply because most of the content out there are rehashed, and that just suggests you're merely teaching what others have taught before. So if you want to stand out from the masses of dating coaches, you'll need something original.
/r/seduction14/03/25 01:17 PM
5

This. Get him to sit down with you, and make your move.
/r/seduction12/03/25 11:14 PM
53

No need to think too hard for a witty repartee on this one. Just say: "Very much so. You're welcome by the way."
/r/seduction12/03/25 05:06 PM
1

In my point of view and speaking from experience, if your friends and colleagues can so easily obscure you, that means you aren't as attractive as you think you are. "After years of practice and learning to attract women" sounds to me like you haven't fully grasped the principles of whatever it is you're learning. I say this because a few of my buddies and my mentors were very good at cold approaching, and very easily made their way into social circles and overtook it quickly simply because of h…
/r/seduction12/03/25 11:36 AM
14

Get your friends to introduce you.
/r/seduction01/03/25 11:34 AM
1

I think I might be able to link you up with a client of mine. He's in Boston too.
/r/seduction28/02/25 09:11 PM
2

I talk to my mentor. The power of having one is he always provides a different perspective and it helps reframe how I see things at times. He also provides very useful ways for me to move forward and do better. So at the very least, find yourself a good support network in real life. They will help shield you against the rejections. Ideally, it should be a small community of like-minded friends. Don't go at this alone. You'll drown under the weight in the long term.
/r/seduction28/02/25 12:01 PM
1

😂
/r/seduction25/02/25 12:45 PM
0

I have a few Indian friends who are great with women. Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's the same for others.
/r/seduction25/02/25 12:24 PM
1

Hard to tell based on your somewhat generic description of your interactions. But you say you wait for signs before you start a conversation, so that suggests you're possibly reactive, which means you aren't doing great at leading the interaction. Also, feels to me like your vibe is a problem here.
/r/seduction25/02/25 12:22 PM
8

Calling bullshit on this. Shortly before I met my girlfriend, I was going 5 for 5 with my online dates. It's just competence. And it can be trained.
/r/seduction23/02/25 06:14 AM
2

Your reply is the only one that kinda answers the question. OP, building rapport with someone is ultimately about getting her to recognise that the both of you have a common ground. The typical way to do so is through common interests. It's what everyone does, and it can work very well at the start. Another way is to do so through your beliefs/values. Now that may sound very serious, and it can be, but for a start... it's all about being relatable. So if you can present your beliefs and values i…
/r/seduction22/02/25 10:14 PM
1

What you are describing is in your post title is something my mentor used to describe as "contrast and harmony". It actually works very well, because it's like the best of both worlds. Your problem isn't how you turn that fear into attraction. You already have it. That last girl kinda told you so when she said she expected your numbers to be higher. I'd assume other women are thinking the same too - "this guy gets women". So your main issue now is getting over the awkwardness and sensitive feeli…
/r/seduction22/02/25 06:07 PM
3

Not really. If she's not into you, a good line still won't get you the date.
/r/seduction20/02/25 09:01 PM
2

If you are not getting dates despite getting matches easily, then it's your texting that's the problem. In my experience, what's worked for me consistently is speaking from a unique point of view. So... I refrain from saying what seems to be the most obvious. If a woman shows her tattoos in her photos, my bet is most guys are gonna mention something about that, and so I don't do that. If I have to, I make sure it's different from what others would say typically. My last 5 openers: "I think it's …
/r/seduction19/02/25 04:29 AM
3

The neediness is in your head, bro. Right now, you just come across as self important in your texts. "Show me. Let's do Saturday night. I'll pick the movie and some snacks up." That's it.
/r/seduction16/02/25 05:53 AM
1

Be aware of social calibration though. A "10" will not let you make as many mistakes as a "4" does. Also, you're just letting yourself form bad habits because you're already allowing your own standards to slide.
/r/seduction15/02/25 08:46 PM
1

Flirting is not your problem. Neither is asking deeper questions. While you're thinking about conversation in terms of how to get her interested, you should be conveying your own attractiveness over text (and how to lead properly) to get the date. Contrary to what others are saying as well, minimizing texting is not gonna help, unless you're using that to primarily filter out the women who want to text a bit more before meeting. I think it is important here to be flexible instead and have the ab…
/r/seduction15/02/25 12:05 PM
2

You worry about being needy, when really, you just need to lead.
/r/seduction15/02/25 11:55 AM
1

First thing to fix is mindset. A small way to start is to constantly celebrate your wins. Think about each time you managed to get together with a woman. She's with you because she thinks you're attractive. Recognize that as fact. Confidence also comes through having a life you can be proud of. So do things that make you love your life. As for masculinity, find positive role models that you can model off. Mimic their behaviours. Change your mind through your body. It's really just building habit…
/r/seduction15/02/25 11:51 AM
4

Please, OP, don't listen to this. People love gifts in general. I've found that ice cream and chocolates are always great. It's a nice gesture and it shows you thought of her, plus it makes you a great guest. A previous FWB of mine absolutely loved it when I did that, and it became the whole law of reciprocity where she gave back more in return. So yeah, go for it!
/r/seduction15/02/25 11:17 AM
2

It's behavioural traits. If you wanna show confidence, be confident. Same goes for being dominant, a leader, or masculine. It's 24/7. You embody the traits till it becomes a habit. That's when it becomes natural.
/r/seduction13/02/25 03:34 AM
1

It's not a routine that you need. If you want to be congruent with your words and actions, the change has to be from deep within. Essentially, you have to truly become a better version of yourself.
/r/seduction12/02/25 08:43 PM
0

It's probably because there's a mismatch between your routine and you.
/r/seduction12/02/25 06:30 PM
59

"Well, duh."
/r/seduction12/02/25 12:33 PM
3

Nothing wrong with what you did. You may have jumped the gun a little, but in my experience, women who suggest expensive places just want to be wined and dined first. If you're not comfortable spending that kinda money, don't. Simple as that.
/r/seduction09/02/25 05:55 AM
1

I think it is important to question your belief and think about how true it is, what you just said.
/r/seduction06/02/25 06:35 PM
1

I wouldn't bother. She has to recognise that your time is precious. I reckon this bridge is better burnt than trying to fix anything. Move on and do better, in terms of the quality of women and your reaction next time.
/r/seduction06/02/25 10:11 AM
1

Rejection is not a fun feeling. And I don't think we need any explanation for why we feel that way. What's important is since we know we'll feel the fear, how best can we manage it?
/r/seduction05/02/25 09:53 AM
1

Unfortunately, you can only live and learn. Take that lesson and do better with the next one. And focus only on high quality women. It will affect you much less because you'll realize there are enough of them.
/r/seduction04/02/25 11:03 AM
1

If you're gonna go down that path, then you might as well think about getting furniture that fits your home/room, so that the vibe of your pad is sexy.
/r/seduction02/02/25 09:30 AM
2

This.
/r/seduction02/02/25 04:49 AM
1

Rather than learn a line, you should learn to see things in perspective. Why did she reject you? Is there room to improve? Or is it because she was being unrealistic? Or perhaps it's just simply incompatibility? Different circumstances require you to look at things differently. Most importantly though, stay humble and always listen to feedback.
/r/seduction01/02/25 02:43 PM
5

To you, it's just sex. To her, it's the possibility of a man who wants to pump and dump. A man who could potentially get violent if she decides at the last minute that she doesn't wanna go through with it. Perhaps a man who decided in the throes of passion to do something she wouldn't give consent to, and he ends up forcing her anyway. A man who could, even with best intentions, ends up lasting less than 5 minutes and she barely gets any pleasure from it. Or a man who's a selfish lover and doesn…
/r/seduction31/01/25 06:49 PM
-1

"You misspelt love" and then a wink emoji.
/r/seduction29/01/25 05:32 PM
1

No cultural thing going on there. I dated a Ukrainian before and she never once asked for a gift.
/r/seduction28/01/25 12:50 PM
2

I see it as an opportunity. When she compliments you, lead the interaction!
/r/seduction27/01/25 12:25 AM
1

It's really not. You'll encounter the same problems because if you're unaware of how to convey your personality in an attractive way, it's the same unawareness both online and offline. What you'll get offline is, her giving you her number and then ghosting you after. The progress is a bit of an illusion because at least you got a number, but still no dates. Or anything more than a first date. So instead of taking the easy way out, knuckle down and do the hard work of improving your person. Resul…
/r/seduction25/01/25 07:37 PM
3

Definitely your approach. I've had that line from women before, and they just wanna get a better sense of who you are before moving things forward. And if you didn't get her number or the date, it's because she sussed out along the way that you're not what she's looking for. There's no short term change to this. Unfortunately, it just means you have to up your conversation game and also convey your personality in a more attractive way.
/r/seduction25/01/25 07:29 PM
4

To be fair, most people don't know how to text. And texting as a medium of communication is terribly limited, without you being able to read the other person's body language. So guys who limit how much they text are really just trying hard not to mess up their own chances. The problem I see is, instead of learning how to text much more effectively, men choose to adopt a simpler solution of just simply texting much less. And since everyone's glued to their phones these days, and people are very q…
/r/seduction21/01/25 11:19 PM
2

It's perceived value though. Nothing to do with whether that judgement is sound or not. There are so many people out there who show their true colours only years after you've known them, so this is really not any different. That’s why we have women constantly complaining about the “sassy man apocalypse” As much as I'd like to defend men, a lot of women's complaints about men are very valid. We lack leadership in men these days. And so many men are not stepping up where it matters. Women “smell” …
/r/seduction21/01/25 10:05 PM
4

Just to name a few off the top of my head: Confident. Masculine. Unshakeable belief in himself. Leader. Displays consistency in his actions. Charismatic. Comfortable with who he is, imperfections and all. There's more, of course. But these should be some of the basics.
/r/seduction21/01/25 09:37 PM
2

The idea that "a woman who respects and loves herself doesn't chase men" is antiquated and helps no one. At the end of the day, a relationship of any kind is all about partnership. Sometimes he chases, sometimes she chases. We're in 2025, the world has changed so much and women are empowered and asking for men to step up more, but God forbid a woman has to chase a man if she's interested.
/r/seduction21/01/25 09:32 PM
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Charisma is forged though. As a young person, if you already have it... that means you just simply know how to treat people. If you don't, you can master it over time just by learning the behaviours. Older people will naturally be more charismatic because they are more sure of themselves, and have a whole lot more clarity over who they are, and what they want.
/r/seduction20/01/25 06:49 PM
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I've seen it happen with quite a number of men I've had the privilege of knowing. They aren't the hottest in terms of looks, but they are absolutely very charismatic. And it's not just women who want them. Men desire to be them. Perhaps the hottest men you know aren't charismatic? Or perhaps they don't position themselves in such a way that it allows women to chase them?
/r/seduction20/01/25 02:03 PM
7

Sure, but most of the rest of the world is not gonna have the same perspective as you do. PERCEIVED value is very real in people's eyes. That's not something you can easily convince someone else to think otherwise.
/r/seduction20/01/25 01:56 PM
1

Send your texts over. I'm happy to help take a look.
/r/seduction20/01/25 10:12 AM
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I've seen women chase men. Like hardcore. But they do that with men they recognise as high value. These are men who have shown women - without having to chase - just what an amazing person they are. The problem with men thinking "high value men don't chase, and so I shouldn't" is... they aren't even high value to begin with. And the woman knows instantly just from the way the man behaves around her. If it's online, she can almost smell it immediately from his profile. Or from the way he texts. A…
/r/seduction20/01/25 09:06 AM
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Congrats! Now get out there and do it again.
/r/seduction19/01/25 09:39 AM
1

Have faith! If you can end up kissing, you can always get there again.
/r/seduction17/01/25 09:24 PM
1

Hope to hear good news soon then!
/r/seduction17/01/25 09:20 PM
2

I can understand why you'd switch strategies. You're trying to find something that works, and I do believe it's this constant switching up that's making you go "fuck it with the rules", because if your strategies were working consistently, you'd stick to the rules. And I do believe why you find that just being normal/platonic has worked best for you is simply because you were being authentic. And that came across for the women you were talking to. They felt it. In my opinion, you need a balance.…
/r/seduction17/01/25 09:15 PM
1

As an online dating coach, I'd say... you don't need to be flawless with your texting. But it sounds to me like you have basic texting issues, which would explain why you make 1 wrong move, and you get ghosted. Or as you say... "maintain a conversation and then ghosted". It also sounds like it's happening way too many times for it to be an advanced issue. And, why are you matching with women you're not interested in?
/r/seduction16/01/25 11:59 PM
1

We need an update, bro!
/r/seduction16/01/25 11:51 PM
1

It's really something else. I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemies. On the positive side of things, it does make you very resilient. Just curious here, you don't have to answer it... but where are you in your life right now?
/r/seduction16/01/25 11:50 PM
1

I'll say this as a guy who suffered for my craft. Getting to the part where dating is fun... is gonna be hell for a while. You'll need to go through that fire. But at the end of it, I dare say who dares... wins. You have to be ready to change a lot of aspects of yourself. You can say it's a sacrifice, but you'll be a much better person for it.
/r/seduction16/01/25 10:56 PM
1

I mean, if you're enjoying the benefits of dating, you won't find it tiresome to expend your energy on it. And if you're not, always good to take a step back and rediscover the things that make you happy. You can always come back to it later.
/r/seduction16/01/25 02:22 PM
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Not really. But it does take a very conscientious effort on your part to build a lifestyle. It doesn't have to be like an influencer. It just needs to be fun, interesting, and involves you living life to your fullest. And regardless of whether you show it on Insta or not, she'll eventually think about how your life can add value to hers. Just like you'll have to think of how hers can add to yours.
/r/seduction15/01/25 03:31 AM
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Not so much his social media presence, but the quality of his lifestyle. Portraying it well on social media will attract her. Think about the influencers whom you feel lead an interesting lifestyle, and how fun it must be in their shoes. She'll feel the same way too.
/r/seduction14/01/25 12:44 PM
27

"We should definitely do more things that we don't remember the next day 😂"
/r/seduction12/01/25 09:48 AM
1

Two Feet - Love is a Bitch (when she hears this, she'll know what's up) Trey Songz - Massage Ne-yo - The Way You Move J-Holiday - Make that Sound Jodeci - Freek'n You Chris Isaak - Wicked Games Quincy Jones - The Secret Garden Michele Morrone - Feel It Just to name a few. The Weeknd has some pretty good sexy tunes too.
/r/seduction30/12/24 01:36 PM
7

When a woman compliments you, say thank you and lead the interaction forward. That's all you need to do.
/r/seduction22/12/24 11:16 AM
1

You can't do anything more in the club, dude. Get out of the club.
/r/seduction19/12/24 03:12 PM
1

They just simply don't want you enough. And yes, stop sexting. Flirt and lead the conversation towards a date instead. Then get things going in person.
/r/seduction19/12/24 01:34 PM
5

Show me examples of some of your messages from start till you lost them. I'll diagnose what your issues are, and give you a framework moving forward.
/r/seduction10/12/24 04:48 AM
4

Challenge accepted. Let's get you a date.
/r/seduction09/12/24 11:23 PM
2

Love it! I used to think Juggler's stuff was too free-flowing, but that was because I didn't understand it. My mentor used to work under CA though, and he was a beast in the field. Thanks for sharing!
/r/seduction25/11/24 11:21 AM
1

"That's what you like to think." "Well, I guess if you don't like men who are <energetic and full of life>, I'd understand..." You can also replace the above with <know what they are doing and what they want> "You never truly know, do you?" "Let's find out." Having lines to handle this with is great... but don't forget, your attitude towards her resistance is more important. Those lines won't work if you aren't confident enough to pull it off. Pro tip for you guys: The best way to overcome resis…
/r/seduction25/11/24 11:16 AM
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Physical fitness is a quick and easy way to get your foot in the door. I'm on the skinny side as well, but I workout. Some women do comment that even though I am skinny, my muscles seem tight and you can tell they do like that. My girlfriend loves it too. But you wanna think of physical fitness as beyond that. It actually helps you more mentally. Just going beyond seduction, the endorphins you get make you feel better... which can translate to a better vibe. You're less likely to feel down, and …
/r/seduction25/11/24 11:10 AM
1

I don't pretend to be interested. I let them know it's possible it's just cold reading, and just listen to what they have to say. No need to fake anything here. She doesn't need you to be into it. She just needs to know she's not being judged for believing in it.
/r/seduction24/11/24 04:14 AM
1

Yes, but only do it after a high point in the conversation.
/r/seduction23/11/24 04:46 PM
5

I can see where your concern is. What I'll say is, I have tons of screenshots where lines like these work all the time. So I wouldn't worry about it being sleazy or terrible. What you can do, if you're not sure it will work, is to make slightly more innocent suggestions for a start. Then progressively get more daring as you get comfortable.
/r/seduction22/11/24 07:12 PM
8

As always, it's the context. You cannot use the line as it is without establishing context first. Also, definitely don't use ;-). I was typing up that response on my computer. Instead, you wanna use the emoji 😉. I do that with every single chat of mine and it's never hurt. But again, I bring a certain attitude into my chats, and the wink emoji adds to that. Using it when you don't have that attitude comes across as incongruent. Thanks for helping me clarify that. Finally, don't worry about sound…
/r/seduction22/11/24 03:01 PM
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I go by my simple rule of "Flirting is making mischievous suggestions about what the both of you can do together". Examples: "Oh I can imagine the kinda adventures the both of us can get into..." "I am sure you and I will have a magical first date ;-)" "You sound like you're just teasing me now..."
/r/seduction22/11/24 12:17 PM
2

Unfortunately, this is physical incompatibility then. You can talk to her about it, see if she's willing to change her mind. If neither of you are willing to compromise, then it's time to move on.
/r/seduction21/11/24 09:10 AM
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I really hope the men in here are smart enough to discern good advice from bad. I've had to double text at times, and it's worked out well for me. This type of advice does not help if the woman truly forgot to respond after a busy day. Don't let your ego get in your way.
/r/seduction16/11/24 02:26 AM
2

One very important thing to take note of here. And I feel you need to be more aware of this: to be honest I don't even look that great as well This is self sabotage. You will inevitably think this again if you don't sort this mindset out. And it can come in very subtle ways like deliberately saying the wrong things just because you think the woman wouldn't be interested in you. You have to sincerely believe that you can get the woman you want, otherwise all the hard work you put into learning ab…
/r/seduction11/11/24 02:39 PM
2

This will likely never happen to you again. But yes, it's one of those times.
/r/seduction11/11/24 11:08 AM
2

It's 1am, she was looking for a hookup and she didn't find any. You came along, she thought, "he will do" and proposed OYO. If your intention was to get laid, then that was a mistake on your part.
/r/seduction11/11/24 05:00 AM
1

The solution is simple - Chat with them more over DMs first. All they want is just to know you better, and if they like the conversation, you'll get the date.
/r/seduction10/11/24 02:06 PM
1

Yeah. No need to get defensive at all. Most important is to never insult her, or sound passive aggressive. Just say something like, "Red flags are the new green flags 😎" and just keep playing.
/r/seduction10/11/24 03:52 AM
5

You can't save those who don't wish to save themselves. Let him come back when he's ready. Otherwise, wish him well and focus on your own development first. His mind might change when he sees you achieve success.
/r/seduction03/11/24 01:22 PM
8

Your friend is holding you back. You already know this, and it's unfortunate that you are letting him keep doing this. There is no easy way around it, except to find a new friend/wingman. Your buddy is sabotaging both himself and you, and until he strives to stop making excuses for himself and start playing as a team, you're not gonna see progress if you keep going out with him.
/r/seduction03/11/24 11:18 AM
3

People who read and do not lose focus like some ADHD-riddled kid.
/r/seduction03/11/24 11:15 AM
6

The "rules" on the times to text are bs. Just get a have conversation, get a good vibe going, and ask her out. Simple as that.
/r/seduction31/10/24 09:28 PM
1

No harm in messaging again. Just don't expect a reply. What did you guys text about? Is it possible you said something to turn her off?
/r/seduction28/10/24 09:56 PM
1

Nah man. Plenty of men has not figured it out at all. It's quite obvious once you see their dating app profiles. That being said, if you're willing to make the effort and know what to do, you're easily ahead of the crowd. About your suit picture, it's not about putting up that 1 photo. You have to have consistency. If you're not that kinda guy to dress like that all the time, that's fine. But you still wanna look sharp, so your clothes have to fit you. It also has to have a look, an archetype if…
/r/seduction28/10/24 12:03 PM
2

It sounds to me like you are not leading the conversation. You mentioned this: ... everything is kept surface level. The onus is on you to lead the conversation to go deeper. This is a skillset issue. You are winging all of your conversation, thus the lack of connection. Which seems to suggest that your idea of a good conversation is not all that great of a connection. So yeah, I'd say you're doing something wrong.
/r/seduction27/10/24 12:56 PM
1

I saw your Insta and your photos are a huge problem. For starters, it lacks rich dimensions. You are kinda showing only one side of your personality. The artwork and pretty scenery is that one side. 2, the photos you take don't put you in the best light. You're not dressed up well, you look un-groomed, and while hiking is a good activity, it's not the only thing you should be doing when taking your photos. You're a good looking guy, so if you touch up on your appearance a little, you can go quit…
/r/seduction27/10/24 12:35 PM
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I reckon you could've easily prevented this though. Also, stoicism is the last thing you should be in such a situation. Time and place for stoicism. This is not it.
/r/seduction27/10/24 12:18 PM
2

Stop reading the damn "signals". Lead. You already know what you want, so just lead and guide her towards a common end goal. If she likes you, she'll want sex too. It's just a matter of how fast/slow she is willing to go. If she doesn't like you, it doesn't even matter if you interpreted positive signals from her.
/r/seduction27/10/24 02:23 AM
2

I can see what's wrong with your texting. Here's what immediately comes to mind: Opener doesn't help, because you then have to think of something to say right after that, which explains that question about "favourite adventure". What you could have done was to make a callback to your conversation when you first met, and used that to drive the conversation forward. Instead of trying to relate to her, get her to relate to you. So... you could say something like, "I guess you are like me then. If I…
/r/seduction25/10/24 06:03 PM
5

Could be photos, could be your text game, could be the vibe you give them. We need to see the photos you have, as well as examples of your texting to know fully what's up.
/r/seduction25/10/24 01:15 PM
55

Means you don't act like a 10. Definitely it's the confidence, but there's a way to respond to that as well.
/r/seduction25/10/24 12:58 PM
12

She already said she sucks tremendously at pool, and therefore, doesn't play a lot of it. Also sounds like she isn't interested in pool at all. You suggesting that despite what she said, sounds to me like you're not listening to her. So if you're already not listening with something so simple, how are you gonna listen to something more important?
/r/seduction22/10/24 11:02 PM
0

It's just arguing on semantics. If both the man and woman are okay with the cold approach, and it developed into something more, they are not going to think, "Oh it's not natural nor circumstantial, therefore we shouldn't be together."
/r/seduction20/10/24 10:56 PM
1

You'll never be truly ready, no matter how much you prepare. Get the basics down of what you need to do, then get out there and do it.
/r/seduction18/10/24 04:44 PM
1

You need to be more present if you're gonna approach. Anything less is just not gonna help you. You also wanna have a game plan. Know what are your next steps, and at the very least, have a conversational structure. That can help a little with the anxiety, because you won't be going in completely blind then.
/r/seduction16/10/24 04:24 PM
2

I reckon the best way to get a response has always been a situational opener. It's indirect, non-threatening, and it's contextual. It may not be as straight-forward as a compliment, and that means you'll take slightly longer to get to mutual interest, but it's always been great at starting conversations. So it could be something as simple as "Wow someone's living a very healthy lifestyle" if she's buying fruits at the supermarket. And then you lead the conversation from there. But the key here i…
/r/seduction16/10/24 12:22 PM
1

I can't approach but I can help guide you with yours. Am in Singapore here. Hit me up!
/r/seduction13/10/24 02:18 PM
3

While this is a question that can help you build a better connection with her, my suggestion is to use it as a last minute resort - only if you get into a situation where you don't know how to move the conversation forward. Instead, it is more important to have a good conversational structure that can help you lead her easily from match to date. A little "gambit" like this won't help you much, because different women will respond very differently to your question. For example, what if she says, …
/r/seduction08/10/24 02:28 PM
5

That's why it's ridiculous when men think that money shouldn't matter in a relationship. Unfortunately, it determines the kind of lifestyle you can lead with your date/girlfriend. And if you're dating multiple women, all the more it's gonna eat into your wallet. This shit is part of real life after all.
/r/seduction05/10/24 04:46 PM
2

Not saying you don't learn how to flirt, because it's fun to actually do that, and helps the woman anticipate for more. What I'm saying is, it's not the answer to your question. And you can sexually escalate without flirting. But it requires you to be bold and take risks. You need to state your intent and follow through with your action to escalate. That's, of course, one way to get sexual.
/r/seduction05/10/24 05:12 AM
2

I'm always nice to the women I meet, and that's never been a problem for me. Also seen that in the men who are way better with women than I am. What these men have however, is strength in abundance. And sure, you cannot go overboard with it. But with most men (in my experience), it's always the weakness that's their problem. Learning how to flirt is not a magic pill as well. Recognise that she likes you for you, not your skills in flirting.
/r/seduction05/10/24 05:07 AM
2

Nothing wrong with being nice. The problem with nice guys is, they are also weak. It's the weakness that's the problem. Lack of boundaries is weakness. Basically the lack of strength to say no.
/r/seduction05/10/24 04:45 AM
2

It's hard to tell based on the little you're sharing with us, but if you're not showing boundaries, then my guess is you're playing it too safe. And that's not attractive to her at all. But that could be just one of the reasons.
/r/seduction05/10/24 04:10 AM
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If a woman is complaining about her exes during your date, and you think it's too much, just tell her: "Hey, as much as I love to hear about your past experiences, I'm here to date, not to be aunt agony for any girl who's still not over her ex. It makes me feel like I'm just here to unload baggage onto. So let's talk about other things instead." Refine it a little so that you don't come off as rude, and sounds more like what you'd say. Gotta state your boundaries.
/r/seduction05/10/24 03:16 AM
1

You did a few things right, and could have kept this going. I felt that you gave up a bit too early. Personally, I wouldn't react negatively if she ignored my initial question. Her lack of response to your question just means "try again later". This is where I feel mindset is very important. While it can be true, I've never placed emphasis on women seeking attention on dating apps. If you let that get into your head, you're only gonna react negatively towards them. So here's what I think you did…
/r/seduction02/10/24 05:44 PM
1

I have an insight on this. You basically just need contrast and harmony. Unfortunately, I'm traveling to Thailand right now, so I'll write something more on this when I get back on Tuesday.
/r/seduction27/09/24 05:51 AM
1

It's also possible she got some bad advice from people she knows, felling her to play it cool. Women also wanna know how to act when they're interested in someone. At the same time, don't forget, everyone has bad days. You never know. But if it's the former, I'd drop her. No one has time for games like this. You're gonna have to decide for yourself how you wish to proceed. Personally, I'll give her the benefit of a doubt and ask her what's going on, on the second date.
/r/seduction27/09/24 04:22 AM
1

I had a feeling someone was gonna say that. You can look at it that way, or you can see it as what actually happened, and learn the important lessons about confidence from it.
/r/seduction23/09/24 12:45 PM
1

you don’t wanna delude yourself into thinking you’re “secure” and “confident” while letting them shit on you You are quite missing the point though. It's not about thinking you're secure/confident. Your reaction should not be a technique, and it should accurately reflect your personality. It's simply about not being shaken by someone who wants to "shit on you". There's always gonna be someone who wants to take a few minutes out of their day to try and make someone else's miserable. Don't let the…
/r/seduction23/09/24 12:36 PM
1

Those who attend bootcamps are likely to revert back into old patterns, unfortunately. The lack of motivation to persist with the skillsets is high, because success is not delivered immediately, and it involves a lot of grinding. That was my experience back when I was helping my mentor take care of his alumni. It is also very popular because people inevitably think it will change their lives overnight. But the actual value lies in the after-bootcamp support, because that's when you solidify your…
/r/seduction19/09/24 12:17 PM
7

Actually, the more a woman is into you, the more likely she is to shit test you. Disrespect is a different story though.
/r/seduction19/09/24 10:15 AM
106

It's all fun and games to me. My girlfriend, on our first date, said I dressed like a man from Fuzhou (3rd rate city in China). And I responded with, "You mean the best dressed in Fuzhou". 6 months later, she told me she was glad I took her roasting in good humour. 1 year later, she told me that's how she flirts. Lol. The worst thing you can do is be thin-skinned and take offence to everything a woman says. They do that sometimes to test and see how unshakeable you are. It's not personal, and it…
/r/seduction19/09/24 10:12 AM
1

You're welcome! Remember, confidence is the key here. Be unfazed, and recognize that she's interested, that's why she's "mad".
/r/seduction18/09/24 11:47 AM
0

The best way to deal with such situations is to have a cool attitude about it, kinda like, "It's adorable you're getting mad. I find it endearing". Then just smile. Personally, I'd add a touch of cheekiness to my smile, and use this opportunity to move and sit closer to her with shoulders touching basically, and just say, "Did you want my crush to be you?" At the same time, really lock in your eye contact with her. Don't waver. That's how you escalate.
/r/seduction18/09/24 10:45 AM
1

It's your mind realizing success with women doesn't bring you happiness in life, because life is still the same. I had that same revelation after I pulled off my first 3some. Not the best feeling ever, but it's also a good message from yourself... to go out there and find something that truly fulfills you. This is the time to be self reflective. Take some time out, write down your thoughts and figure out where you wanna go from here. In the long run, it will benefit you in many more ways than on…
/r/seduction17/09/24 10:11 AM
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"I didn't realize a little flirting means nothing serious will ever happen..." Throw in a smile, and don't let it faze you. Also, you're likely getting this because the both of you only connected on the surface, so you want your connection to go a little deeper.
/r/seduction15/09/24 05:44 AM
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Have done this many times. So long as she replies, there's a way to keep the conversation going.
/r/seduction14/09/24 12:18 PM
-17

"Really enjoyed your generous servings on my sandwich. You couldn't be more amazing 😉"
/r/seduction14/09/24 06:12 AM
1

In my opinion, after-bootcamp support should be at least free for a year, so that the guy has enough time to learn sufficiently well to function on his own without guidance. There's always risk involved. You will get coaches who are great at doing but suck at teaching, or you will get coaches who aren't really good at all. But yeah, on your part, you just need to keep showing up, otherwise you're just throwing away money. You will be fine so long as you don't let your ego get in your own way.
/r/seduction13/09/24 07:42 PM
14

It's the standard these days. But you wanna find out what's the after-bootcamp support like. That's the most important. I look at the price as... If I'm able to help you solve a problem that's been a headache for years, how much is that worth to you?
/r/seduction13/09/24 11:24 AM
2

As an introvert, you can play the laidback and chilled personality, and you should focus on playing the listening game. That feeling of being understood is a very powerful one, because most men aren't good listeners, and can really help you with women. Being bold is a necessity, in my opinion. Not just with your flirting and intentions, but as the person you are.
/r/seduction12/09/24 04:57 AM
0

Chill, my man. You went off on a completely unhinged tangent there lol. Having skin in the game doesn't mean you lack self respect, nor does it mean you're chasing rather than attracting. Not sure what you've been learning and from whom, but it just means you care enough about the outcome to know what you're doing wrong, and to actually want the woman you approached/talked to. One of the really strange things to come out from the seduction community is the idea of being completely care-less abou…
/r/seduction12/09/24 04:53 AM
3

@OP, hit me up and I'll find out more on what you need help with. You'll get an idea of what you actually should be doing. I promise no selling, and you can go on to find other coaches near you.
/r/seduction12/09/24 03:12 AM
5

"Don't listen to advice on this subreddit." *Proceeds to give advice on this subreddit. Yeah, that makes sense.
/r/seduction12/09/24 03:09 AM
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I think it's good to be a little attached. You gotta have skin in the game, so that you know how to... "perform under pressure", so to speak. But definitely have the mindset of always wanting to be better. Everyone that I've known in my life who got good at dating... has this mentality of "what can I do better next?" I know from experience that a lot of men really just wanna find their ideal 10. And so, their goal has always been to just simply "meet that 1 girl". Once that happens, they stop de…
/r/seduction11/09/24 09:54 AM
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I've been through your scenario many times in the past. She wasn't interested right from the beginning. So it didn't matter whether you shared vulnerable moments, touched her "the right way" and whatnot. The fact that you tried escalating and she wasn't receptive was your tell-tale sign. With that knowledge, everything else happening on the surface level doesn't matter.
/r/seduction10/09/24 11:07 PM
2

We can never gain deeper knowledge by reading one liners. Thanks for sharing!
/r/seduction09/09/24 10:37 PM
34

If you're in bed with her, she's already expecting or waiting for you to make a move. Almost doesn't matter what you do, so long as it isn't cringe or weird. You could even simply say, "wanna make out?" and it's likely she'll say yes.
/r/seduction08/09/24 03:04 PM
0

Just to add, because I think it's important to clarify here. The only reason why cold approach can help you learn faster is the sheer volume of options at your disposal. If you're fearless, then you can easily approach way more than the number of matches you can get. And with each approach, you have the ability to innovate/adapt in real time. First approach could be about settling nerves, second approach to fix eye contact, third approach to fix eye contact AND voice tonality, and so on. Whereas…
/r/seduction06/09/24 10:23 PM
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You're thinking of OLD as a funnel, I'm thinking of online dating as still needing game, because ultimately it still involves you showing her why you're too good to pass up on. I also don't believe it's one way or the other. You can still do both. Cold approaching has immense value as a skillset. As does online dating. And I don't think it matters if you do 100 approaches and no one's interested. You can also meet 100 women from online dating, and none will be interested as well if they don't fi…
/r/seduction06/09/24 09:36 PM
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As an online dating coach, I'll say this. Doesn't matter how you go about meeting women. You can still get your confidence and "Inner Game" or whatever it is, from online and cold approaching. But most men can't even get likes from dating apps, much less dates. Cold approaching is the fastest way to learn. Not to get dates, mind you. But to just simply learn and get experience.
/r/seduction06/09/24 11:39 AM
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At the end of the day, regardless of what inner game fix you have, nothing beats the speed of taking action. It's difficult at the beginning to "just do it", but it's a habit. Once you get into the positive momentum, it just becomes easier over time.
/r/seduction05/09/24 10:06 PM
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The better thing to do is make her stick around. You do that by running social game. No one wants to walk away from the most fun person/group in the club.
/r/seduction05/09/24 06:57 AM
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So then the question is, how early are we talking when you're making out with her? If the club is filling up at 1am, and you're asking her to leave at 2am, she is less likely to wanna leave because the party is getting started.
/r/seduction05/09/24 06:08 AM
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Why do you think it's too early to leave?
/r/seduction05/09/24 04:35 AM
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Not the most popular of opinions, but get a dating coach. You'll quickly accelerate your progress, and gain the knowledge on what to do and how to do it. Fast. Don't waste your time experimenting on your own. That is great if you're 20 and starting out. But at 30, if you wanna maximise your time, have someone else guide you instead.
/r/seduction04/09/24 10:48 AM
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It can be discouraging. I disengaged my ego from the process, and that helped me a lot in the long run. Don't take it personally. They don't know you at all, so their rejection isn't about you.
/r/seduction03/09/24 04:24 PM
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When I started out trying to learn how to attract women, I pushed every conversation I had to its limit. If she were low effort, I'd try my darndest best to see if I can get her to invest more. So, in my opinion, if you treat this as a science and want to figure things out, push your limits. Otherwise, move on to the next. Of course, that also means you'll take longer to figure out what works and what doesn't, and you'll inevitably cycle through more numbers to get good.
/r/seduction03/09/24 03:53 PM
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Your screenshots don't make you look good, and your explanation doesn't either. She may be open to discussing about a foursome, but that doesn't mean she wants you to kiss her. She's also allowed to change her mind about whether you can kiss her or not. Grabbing someone's throat (or if I had to give you plausible deniability, placing your hand on her throat) is not the way to go as well. "Everything was going great" is from your point of view, but may not reflect how she actually feels. Plenty o…
/r/seduction02/09/24 10:46 AM
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Ask yourself this. Will you regret this decision if someone like her doesn't come along again?
/r/seduction30/08/24 10:06 AM
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Great question! This relates to retention, so everything you do here is all about long term. Here are 3 things you can do: Deep connection Unfortunately, there is no easy way around this. You gotta let her in. Being vulnerable is key, from both you and her. You have to show her your fears and insecurities. She has to really get to know who you are, deep down inside. Likewise, she has to show you who she is. This also cannot be accomplished without lots of conversation. The both of you have to co…
/r/seduction27/08/24 11:26 AM
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It's not being vulnerable that's the problem in relationships. It's the inability or lack of willingness to take charge and handle your vulnerability that causes women to lose attraction.
/r/seduction27/08/24 11:13 AM
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Hard to tell what it is without understanding how your interactions go. There are too many variables to say. It could be she got bored because you lingered too long. This also relates to her recognising from the prolonged interaction that the both of you ultimately aren't a match, in which case, that's normal. Sometimes, there's simply no long term chemistry. Or it could also be that you didn't lead well. If you're able to provide more detailed information on your interactions, that wull help a …
/r/seduction26/08/24 04:30 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I feel like you are mistaken. The high point is not linear. A high point is that moment in your interaction when the both of you are feeling really good about it. So the initial conversation can be sexual within minutes, but that does not mean the next high point is sex. The next high point is merely when you're able to create those feel-good feelings again. But you are always leading. So for example: 1st conversation, you get sexual. High point. You lead - "Seems l…
/r/seduction26/08/24 05:50 AM
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Congrats. Most men don't even realize this all their life. You realizing it now means there's still time to work on what's important - your character and personality.
/r/seduction26/08/24 05:16 AM
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This is a problem that goes as far back as the beginning when PUAs started showing up. Back then, there were stories of famous "instructors" who wrote reports of their amazing nights in clubs, when people who saw them in person said they were basically standing against the wall all night doing nothing. And very unfortunately, you're gonna deal with dodgy people, no matter what profession you're dealing with. Heck, there are dodgy car salesmen out there too. Best thing you can do is do your homew…
/r/seduction25/08/24 08:06 PM
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With texting, I tend to focus on 4 important points: Always be leading the conversation. By that, I mean, it's your initiative if you want the conversation to be playful and fun, if you want flirting to be there, or even being responsible for creating and maintaining a connection. A quick and easy rapport. It can go deep, but typically it doesn't need to. Just needs to be slightly more than the typical superficial level. Transitioning to date ideas, and subsequently the date. Nothing complicated…
/r/seduction25/08/24 07:56 PM
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Sorry to hear about that! Just as there are bad coaches out there, there are good coaches too. Hope you end up finding one that truly aims to help you.
/r/seduction25/08/24 10:28 AM
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Any excuse that is not "I am not interested" is essentially the same thing. So it doesn't matter if it's logical or not. Still means you're being rejected. If you are getting matches, but not dates, then it's likely your texting that's making women not want to go on dates with you. So, that's something to fix. Likewise, to stop the flaking, it's what you do on dates with them (also inclusive of whether they like what they see). Change that, and you'll see better results.
/r/seduction24/08/24 10:30 AM
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Great observation. It's actually a very basic instinct. When you are feeling good about something, you want that feeling to keep going. So by taking it away, you end up yearning. That's what leaving does. It makes her yearn and want more. Which can get her chasing. I wanna add to your observation as well... so, there are two options when the conversation hits a high point. You don't necessarily have to leave. You can lead or leave. Lead it to the next high point, and progress the conversation fu…
/r/seduction24/08/24 08:47 AM
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Oh damn. You're a student of Juggler. Both my 2 mentors are students of his as well. My best friend was as well, and he became really good. With regards to having a fun carefree vibe, it's all based upon your mindset. Let go of trying to control the outcome, and focus on having fun first. Be willing to laugh even at yourself. Hope that helps man.
/r/seduction23/08/24 10:09 PM
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Thanks! Social proof is a beautiful thing. So is having fun. Have either, and your approaches will be easier. Have both, and you could practically dominate the club.
/r/seduction23/08/24 08:30 PM
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Of course there's more than 1 way to live. If you're a male model, you could even have women throwing themselves at you. But for plenty of men, they are practically invisible to women until they approach. And women are almost never likely to approach them ever. I'm not saying cold approach is the way to go. But if you want to do it to meet women and you're feeling all sorts of anxieties and fears that hold you back, do it anyway in spite of all that. Don't let yourself hold you back. This is a l…
/r/seduction23/08/24 08:27 PM
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Fortunately, this is not swimming, so you won't drown. Unfortunately AND fortunately, this is the fastest way to go. You can debate all day and night long about "taking action", but if you aren't talking to any woman, you ain't getting anything out of that. I say this from experience, because I had very bad anxiety in the past about approaching. When I did approach, my hands were noticeably shaking when I gestured. I couldn't even talk properly because my mouth just clammed up. Now that I am old…
/r/seduction23/08/24 11:07 AM
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Like I mentioned in my comments, the club is a closed environment. It's harsh and unforgiving. If you're seen doing something not cool, you are out. So the answer is not a simple "find a good spot or roam". The best thing you can do is be social. At the very beginning of the night, get your nerves out of the way and approach immediately. It doesn't need to be with women, but don't limit yourself to men only just because you are nervous. Approach women, men, and groups. Have a good fun/strong vib…
/r/seduction23/08/24 11:00 AM
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There's no solution other than to take action. You can say "some guys are very shy", but end of the day, the woman doesn't care that you are shy. In a club, where everyone is motivated by visuals and a good time, she doesn't want to be bored or be seen doing anything that's not fun/cool. The idea is to walk inside the bar, no problem if you're not having fun and she sees that you're not having fun yet, just do something... and walking is better than doing nothing. So your approach is actually co…
/r/seduction23/08/24 10:27 AM
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Hard to tell without seeing your text conversations/knowing what you're like on the dates. So it could be anything from image to vibe to them getting bored on the date.
/r/seduction23/08/24 10:16 AM
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The idea of walking from place to place is to make eye contact with the same woman for 2-3-4 times and then it is easier to approach her. It's a closed environment. You may be making eye contact with her 2-4 times, but she's likely to have seen you walking around as well. And if you're approaching or not having fun in that time, she's going to notice. So that's not gonna help you when you finally approach her. See her once, approach right away. There should be no room for hesitation in a closed …
/r/seduction23/08/24 09:28 AM
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She already liked you when she first set eyes on you. The ignoring may have helped a little, but pretty sure it's not as great as you thought it was.
/r/seduction22/08/24 05:53 PM
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There's also the image. Being a 47 year old and looking like crap never helps.
/r/seduction22/08/24 09:10 AM
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"It's not the age, but the maturity that counts 😉"
/r/seduction22/08/24 08:59 AM
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No one wants to look at a sausage party.
/r/seduction22/08/24 07:20 AM
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Nice. My experiences have been like that as well. The continued texting helps build and maintain that connection, and the first date just becomes so easy. Chat a little, escalate fast. To OP: It's not the texting that makes you seem needy. It's yourself. Another thing to bear in mind is... it may not be neediness that made the woman lose interest. It could be in the midst of all the texting, you said something that suggested a red flag. Or she got bored and lost interest.
/r/seduction21/08/24 06:26 PM
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I just continue texting, and keep things fun and playful. Longest I took was slightly more than a month, because she was observing the Month of Lent. But all that texting and rapport meant we were DTF when we met.
/r/seduction21/08/24 05:46 PM
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Great stuff! Just a tiny bit of feedback. You wanna be more confident when escalating. I dare say you waited too long actually.
/r/seduction20/08/24 03:50 PM
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Make yourself worth talking to. The only reason you have this mindset is because you don't have YOUR reasons why she should.
/r/seduction19/08/24 08:35 AM
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I used to be like that. Didn't escalate and lost the girl. Or escalated half heartedly and also lost the girl. Took me a long time to learn this, and it was one of the most important lessons ever: You must be very okay with losing the girl. You must be very okay with having the situation turn awkward, because it's either that... Or you get nothing. And if she wants you to escalate and you didn't, then that's two people who ends up having a bad night after that. And if the situation turns awkward…
/r/seduction17/08/24 12:50 PM
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You can ask for sex, but likelihood is, if you have to ask... you're likely not to get it. What works however, is setting up the conditions for sex to happen, and hope she's down for it. In your case, what you could've done was... She described one of the movies as one that's only focused on the girl "just having frequent sex". After she said this, you can deliberately misinterpret what she said and reply with: "Are you suggesting we should watch that movie together?" You want to be a tad cheeky…
/r/seduction16/08/24 01:38 PM
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Just wanna say this is gold: Talk like u ur made of titanium & not aluminum (if that makes sense). My mentor used to say, be a force of nature. And that's how our foundations should be - strong, sturdy and unshakeable.
/r/seduction15/08/24 09:27 AM
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You're welcome. Just be aware that with regards to giving playful responses, there are times when women want a serious response. This also applies to shit tests. So you have to be aware whether her concern/objection is legitimate or not.
/r/seduction15/08/24 09:19 AM
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Definitely trust your gut! It's helped you survive this long, and it will continue to help you with your decisions in life. Thanks for emphasizing that!
/r/seduction15/08/24 12:32 AM
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Those questions are simple enough, but I'm going to offer you a few ways of answering them. Use what you see fit, and hopefully, my answers give you a little more perspective beyond the idea of not giving red flag responses. The first is... it may be something a woman asks just purely out of curiosity, rather than an actual need to know. In such situations, I typically answer with a tongue-in-cheek or mischievous response. For example: Her: Why are you single? Me: I've been waiting my whole life…
/r/seduction15/08/24 12:31 AM
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I did. Got into my first long term relationship @ 35. Before that, it was a series of mediocre one night stands and short term relationships. Wasn't very happy with what I got. But I started learning about dating advice late, so there's that. At 34, you want to rush the process of getting good. Don't waste your time experimenting with what works and what doesn't on your own. A lot of that can be cut short by having mentors, reputable figures who can get you up to speed fast. So my suggestion is …
/r/seduction14/08/24 10:45 PM
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I've seen some very hardcore players, people who could pull 4somes and 5somes... who socially dominated every club they went to... and they got married eventually. At that time, it seemed very unlikely they would get into a relationship, even they thought so too. But time is a wonderful thing. It changes your perspective as you age, so... never say never.
/r/seduction14/08/24 09:03 AM
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Without knowing you, I'll have to say it's generally image or vibe, often both. What would help us give you more specific advice is to see: What you look like. How you present yourself as a person. But this would require a video of yourself. With regards to your image, you can say you wear proper fitting clothes, you're not a greasy bum etc... that's all great and it helps. But it could be as simple as you being meek and soft on the approach, and it makes her say no on first impressions. Hard to…
/r/seduction14/08/24 08:52 AM
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Good question. I dare say my texting isn't like how most people text. I banter a lot. My texting is always fun and playful, and I mix it up very well with plenty of moments of creating a connection, getting to really know someone, and making future plans together. Do I talk about life? Of course. But a big part of my approach lies in showcasing the different parts of my personality. The good, the bad, the imperfect. I get her to do the same as well. By the time we meet, I typically have at least…
/r/seduction12/08/24 08:36 PM
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You have to understand people have their phones glued to themselves all the time now. The majority are using texting to help deepen connections with their friends, family and lovers. Phone calls have become less of a thing; Gen Zs generally feel that phone calls are awkward, and Millennials don't necessarily have the time for it, or have adapted to texting instead. Of course, nothing beats connecting in person, but the phone is playing a much larger role now. The idea that the phone is "purely f…
/r/seduction12/08/24 10:17 AM
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You are confusing time spent in the interaction with "having a personal touch". Ultimately, she has to feel like you want to get to know her. If she feels like "oh all he wants from me is a number or to get laid", she's going to resist. Are there situations where you have a 1-minute conversation and she ends up going on a date with you? Sure. But that doesn't mean you lack the personal touch. She may have been attracted to what she saw, decided to find out more, and turns out... the both of you …
/r/seduction11/08/24 09:42 PM
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Quick question: Some women only want casual relationship with no strings attached, they focus on their career, modeling, they don’t have time with haggling serious relationships. I’ve personally known few of them. Does it mean they reduce guys as just being numbers and less than people? Or the moral principles only applied to guys? You can have casual relationships with no strings attached, and still get to know the other person on a personal level, instead of just engaging in a purely "wham bam…
/r/seduction10/08/24 08:29 PM
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The problem you just described is reducing women to merely numbers. Get a phone number, get a lay, get a result. There's no getting to know the person, getting to know her history, her story, her imperfections and idiosyncrasies. When you do that, it's inevitable that there's not gonna be any type of relationship there. Sure, you can get laid that way. You could even get FWBs, but there's no staying power. They don't last all that long. Start treating women as people, and then you'll see your in…
/r/seduction10/08/24 06:53 PM
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I believe MM did talk about situational openers, but my memory on that is hazy. But they always felt to me like they lack spontaneity. With conversation, the fastest approach is to get into rapport as soon as possible. So using your example, if you said... "I don't know about you, but it's bloody hot today." When they agree with you, you can easily go, "Man. I'd love it if there was an ice cream truck following me all day." They'll very likely agree with you again, and then it allows you to buil…
/r/seduction10/08/24 10:48 AM
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It's not about how you open. It's about how you follow up from the open. That's a good way to start though. Very easy to transition into a natural conversation.
/r/seduction10/08/24 10:18 AM
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What you mentioned above can be fixed. It will take a bit of time and effort to change the bad habits, but none of what you mentioned is an insurmountable task. ... it comes off corny and turns them off. I look cool but I’m not cool at all: I’m nerdy especially for a black/Dominican man, too online, too immature and inexperienced, and might be on the spectrum. For years, I had no one to guide me, so I was experimenting the heck out of everything. I quoted this part here because I was the same. I…
/r/seduction08/08/24 08:06 PM
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There's this dude on my Instagram, who was from a group similar to this one. He mentioned he was autistic a few years ago when I was helping the group with online dating. He recently got married. Anyone can get good at this, if they put their minds to it.
/r/seduction08/08/24 02:49 PM
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If you're going through hundreds of dates, and not getting any connection that lasts more than 2 weeks, then you should stop doing whatever it is you're doing. It's clearly not working. What do you think is the problem?
/r/seduction08/08/24 02:41 PM
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I don't have that pressure because I don't wanna have kids. I felt that in my early 30s when my friends were all settling down. Then I asked myself if I actually wanted that, and I don't. That pressure went away after. Don't bend to pressure just because society says so. Walk your own path. Along the way, you'll meet people who feels the same way too.
/r/seduction08/08/24 12:58 PM
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Of course you can. I missed out in my teens and early 20s, and had the fun I wanted in my 30s.
/r/seduction08/08/24 12:52 PM
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Added my experience to show that even if someone did everything "right" on a date, sometimes it just doesn't go further and there is absolutely nothing wrong with them or their date for that. I do believe we know that inherently, but of course, with the seduction community, there's always the idea if you're rejected, it means you're not doing something right. Very damaging mindset, really. I like OP's question too. There is a big difference in what to look for when trying for casual hookups and …
/r/seduction07/08/24 10:27 AM
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Appreciate your kind words! Lifestyle is indeed very important, and in this sub, not very talked about. I am glad you can chime in and offer your perspective on this. This topic itself needs more attention.
/r/seduction07/08/24 09:08 AM
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I can help if you're interested.
/r/seduction06/08/24 08:57 PM
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Great question! We call this retention, which is about keeping a woman rather than simply attracting her for the short term. There are a few key things you'll need to have in order to do so: Lifestyle You can't ever do this without lifestyle. She has her own lifestyle prior to meeting you, and in an ideal world, her partner's lifestyle and hers should match well with each other's. Having vastly different lifestyles make it difficult for a relationship to sustain, and also suggests two people are…
/r/seduction06/08/24 07:07 PM
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Love it. You led very naturally and well, and she was clearly down to have fun too. Great stuff!
/r/seduction06/08/24 09:14 AM
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If you've approached 1,000 sets already, then your problem lies mainly in improving your skills faster, rather than increasing the volume. By the time you hit 1,000, you should be quite good at getting what you want out of your approaches.
/r/seduction04/08/24 04:48 PM
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It's okay to be different from others. You will still be appreciated for who you are, but you must accept your own flaws first.
/r/seduction04/08/24 05:18 AM
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Indeed. When a lady compliments you, it's considered a high point in the interaction. That's the best time to lead, and create more positive momentum.
/r/seduction03/08/24 06:25 PM
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"Thank you. I bet my (compliment) and your ______ would make everyone jealous of us..." And then use that to foreshadow.
/r/seduction03/08/24 02:47 PM
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When a woman compliments you, lead the interaction!
/r/seduction03/08/24 01:02 PM
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Just play and have fun man. Don't wrap your mind too much around it. HER: They are the best ones ME: Are you suggesting you'll be the best I've met? 😉
/r/seduction02/08/24 12:23 PM
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100 is only gonna tire you out fast. Be progressive. Start small, and then let the momentum build. You don't need a lot of good interactions. A handful is good enough. Keep that energy for the long run. Don't think short term.
/r/seduction02/08/24 03:46 AM
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Check out The Charisma Myth by Olivia Fox Cabane.
/r/seduction02/08/24 03:05 AM
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Let her engage him. She won't go on forever. Just take control of the conversation when she's done. Add on to what she says, and then let him have it again when you're done. In the meantime, you can engage non-verbally with her, as you're talking at the same time.
/r/seduction02/08/24 02:50 AM
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You wanna stay quiet and keep holding eye contact with the girl, while the other guy is busy doing the talking and entertaining. Don't look or turn your body towards him. Don't comment on anything he says. Doing so just gives him more attention and power. And you wanna communicate with her on the non-verbal level. You can side-eye him while you're looking at her (and she's looking at you), and then roll your eyes. That way, you establish an unspoken connection with her while tooling him together…
/r/seduction02/08/24 12:47 AM
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Contrast and harmony. Cultivate a warm, friendly and value-giving vibe to counter the intimidating side of you.
/r/seduction02/08/24 12:18 AM
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I have this theory. Hear me out. I call it the "flawed learning experience" theory. This is something I've noticed in a lot of people who come into the seduction community and try to learn "pickup strategies". What happens typically is, they have a problem... so they try to find a solution. For example, having problems with "attracting women". So, they go online, do their reading, learn something from the gurus or the experts, or anyone who offers advice. And they pick up a bunch of techniques, …
/r/seduction31/07/24 10:51 PM
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At the end of the day, meeting women is really just about positioning. If you're using dating apps, you're positioning yourself online. So along that same vein, you wanna position yourself in locations/spots where there are hot women. The question is, where do hot women in your city hang out? Those are the places you wanna be at. For example, you can seek out more female-centric activities/interests. A good place would be dance classes. Somewhere that teaches Latin dance like salsa, bachata etc.…
/r/seduction30/07/24 05:11 PM
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The first problem right there is going to a club solo. It's a social environment. Everyone is expected to show up only with friends. When you go solo, and others see you solo, it makes people wonder whether you lack friends (thus socially awkward), or you're a predator out on the hunt. Either way, you're potentially making things difficult for yourself. It's also a very closed environment, which means... it is extremely visual. If you are not having fun and just standing around, women spot that …
/r/seduction30/07/24 03:42 PM
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Focus on becoming more attractive helped the most. All the techniques and strategies, a lot become unnecessary when you do the former.
/r/seduction30/07/24 11:26 AM
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It's not how many kisses, it's the feeling. If you come off as persistent and pushy, then obviously it's not a good thing. So instead of always pushing for it, pull back first. Your last question is a bit... odd. If she's pulling back after 3-4 seconds, then pull back before she does. You could also stop the physical touches, and let her initiate instead.
/r/seduction30/07/24 10:53 AM
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While I agree with your post generally, I feel that it is also wise to just play smart at times. You can't go into this mindless and hope to get the kinda results that you want out of it. He who fails to plan, plans to fail. At the same time, experience also plays a huge part. I've gotten to that place where a lot of what I do is very instinctual, so there's a lot more flow and a lot less thinking. But there will always be moments where you'll need to read the situation and understand how to get…
/r/seduction30/07/24 10:48 AM
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Thanks for sharing. One of the things that happened when I got good was over-escalation. I became over-confident because I was getting women interested so easily that I thought they'd want to sleep with me on the first date. Unfortunately, some wanted to slow down and I lost them, because they thought I was looking to pump and dump. It was a good lesson learnt!
/r/seduction29/07/24 08:07 PM
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Part of the learning process involves swinging from one end of the spectrum to the other. Eventually, through experience, you'll recognize when to slow down and when to speed things up. It's inevitable that you have to go through this.
/r/seduction29/07/24 05:56 PM
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The foundations for your mindsets are a little weak, so you wanna strengthen that. As I mentioned in another post around here, you want to celebrate and remind yourself constantly of your wins very conscientiously. Also, you may want to write it down any reasons why you feel rejected when a woman isn't into you. Let your writing be a stream of consciousness process, so don't filter yourself at all. Dig deep down to the source of your frustrations. Once you are aware, it becomes easier to release…
/r/seduction29/07/24 05:54 PM
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I would build a quick connection via text, lead the interaction towards a date, and then get things going from there.
/r/seduction29/07/24 02:13 PM
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"Is there space for someone new and exciting?"
/r/seduction28/07/24 09:33 PM
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It's a terrible feeling not to know what you're doing, but what you mentioned actually sounds like something that can be fixed quite easily. If you're getting attention, that means your look/image is down or at least good enough. If attraction goes out the window the moment you start talking to them, it's either: Voice tonality Vibe Personality (this takes a while to discover though, so I am guessing this is not it) How long into the interaction are you losing their interest, right from the begi…
/r/seduction28/07/24 08:27 PM
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You're gonna end up taking harder knocks than that if you want to meet women. So my suggestion is to push past that feeling and just go for it. You get nothing from hesitation. Lead the interaction by taking the initiative and see where it goes.
/r/seduction27/07/24 09:01 AM
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Celebrate and focus on your wins. You need to mentally change your own self perception, so one way of doing so... is to remind yourself constantly that you're now winning. In the meantime, engage in more positive experiences with women and celebrate those new wins as well. Keep repeating that for the next year, and you'll see the mental shift.
/r/seduction26/07/24 09:32 PM
3

Have you considered the possibility that she determined from the kiss there was no "spark", therefore, she decided not to continue talking with you?
/r/seduction26/07/24 09:28 PM
2

Some skills to work on as foundations: Listening (the underlying emotion of what she says is key here), Relating back to that emotion, Cultivating a positive, friendly, and value-giving vibe, Reading between the lines of what people are saying. I believe if you cultivate these skills, you'd go far. Unfortunately, there's no easy way out. You're just gonna have to practise and gain the experience.
/r/seduction26/07/24 08:46 PM
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That's the reality these days. Most men lack social skills so bad that the few who have it really get a lot more women. Everyone just stands around waiting for something to happen instead of making something happen themselves. He who dares, wins. He who doesn't, masturbates. It also doesn't help that the current narrative now is women just want men who are 6' and above, or only will pay attention to men with wealth and status. Sure, there are women like that out there, but I've consistently met …
/r/seduction26/07/24 01:58 AM
1

Go with Juggler Method from Charisma Arts. You absolutely cannot go wrong with that as a newbie.
/r/seduction25/07/24 10:41 PM
1

I wouldn't say edge cases. I've encountered a fair number of such situations. Or at least, enough such that I know how things can happen really fast. I've seen it happen to people around me. Or rather, the alumni from my mentor's batch of students. Basically, within seconds. I'd also offer another viewpoint with regards to the Attraction phase. MM gives the impression there are things you gotta do to attract her, but I reckon it's more about being. When it's about being, you don't need 10 minute…
/r/seduction25/07/24 06:35 PM
1

Great question. The answer is more nuanced than a straight forward one. As an example, if you're in a club having fun with your friends and you start dancing with a woman, and next thing you know, you're making out with her, you don't need to go backwards and go through the Attraction phase. Similarly, let's say you meet a woman, and she's clearly DTF. She's all ready to head home with you. But you barely know much about her. In your mind, you've barely qualified her and gone through the Attract…
/r/seduction25/07/24 10:59 AM
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^ This. PUAs have gotten a bad rep from the time they began, and rightfully so. A lot of the things they do have been very questionable. And unfortunately, most of the faults lie with the people who practice. The methods itself require a lot of sense and sensibility. Many years after I first started reading about Mystery Method, I went back to take a look at it and realized how it actually requires a lot of social intuition in order to be able to pull it off. But give it to a newbie, and it can …
/r/seduction24/07/24 09:48 PM
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With enough experience, you'll kinda know where your own mistake lies. At the same time, having someone to bounce this back and forth with helps too. So have men who are better with women than you, around you.
/r/seduction24/07/24 06:43 PM
1

Very detailed response. Love this. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't see the value in coaches, and I dare say from meeting a lot of potential students... that people tend to overestimate themselves as well. I had one guy just a few weeks back, 27 years old, socially awkward and a tad nerdy. Has very little experience with women, mind you. Showed me the type of women he hoped to attract. Tells me he hopes to find someone to marry by 2026. Given his image, and the way he interacted with me... i…
/r/seduction24/07/24 01:04 PM
1

A coach can spot your blindspots from a 3rd person's point of view very easily. As the saying goes, "you cannot see the label if you're inside the bottle". Also, there are plenty of things I learnt from my coaches back then, that I would have taken years to figure out. (There are also some things I never would have learnt, if it weren't for my coaches.) What you can master in 2 years, a coach can get you there in 6 months. That is worth way more than $2,000, because that knowledge and skillset i…
/r/seduction24/07/24 12:51 PM
4

This is the only advice you need for your question.
/r/seduction23/07/24 11:19 AM
4

You can quit, but remember... You are 20 years old. Quitting means it is possible you will spend the rest of your life feeling like shit about who you are and what you're not able to accomplish. The mentality here is not just about women. If you're quitting with this, the likelihood is it will seep into other aspects of your life and you will quit when things are tough. So here's my advice: You have been trying to do this ALONE. Do yourself that favour and SEEK HELP. If you really need to, get a…
/r/seduction23/07/24 11:07 AM
1

They are simply not interested. Women can sometimes use the excuse of having a boyfriend to stop you from trying any further. There's no quick solution to this unfortunately since their response is based upon their very first impression of you. From my experiences with my students, and I may be wrong here, it is possible your image is the problem. So you wanna fix that. What I mean by image is... Your vibe Your grooming Your body language (which also includes voice projection) Basically, your ov…
/r/seduction23/07/24 10:41 AM
1

You don't. Get your issues sorted out and become better for yourself. You'll be more attractive that way.
/r/seduction22/07/24 03:58 PM
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I honestly believe calling or texting doesn't matter. This feels like semantics to me. She's met him, she remembers his vibe, how he made her feel in the club so she's already pre-determined if he's worth her time or not. Whether he calls or text won't influence that. And if she's attracted, she'll appreciate you reaching out regardless. Don't overthink the first text, just don't portray yourself negatively, and you'll be fine. I like to do callback humour, so since you made her laugh, just remi…
/r/seduction20/07/24 08:46 PM
1

Wechat. The people nearby function is amazing. But that's mainly used in Asia.
/r/seduction20/07/24 06:12 AM
1

I find out where they are from, and then use Google translate on the spot. If she's receptive, she'll stay.
/r/seduction19/07/24 10:25 PM
2

Feels to me like you are overthinking. It can be an attraction trigger, just like many other attraction triggers. Instead of focusing on whether it's "true attraction" or not, take the win and make your move/shoot your shot. Until the both of you end up together (be it in bed or a relationship), everything else is just mental masturbation.
/r/seduction19/07/24 10:03 PM
7

The nervous energy comes from you believing that you are going to mess up the interaction, or you are not good enough for your date. So you should be fixing that instead. This is a mindset problem.
/r/seduction19/07/24 09:59 PM
6

Give it a test and see what works better. You never know.
/r/seduction19/07/24 02:31 PM
2

Happened to me in the past. Took me a while, but meditation really helped calm the mind a lot. You're doing fine with her. Keep doing whatever it is you've been doing.
/r/seduction19/07/24 02:29 PM
5

Overthinking. This can happen from time to time with anyone, not sure why you feel like she doesn't want to see you?
/r/seduction19/07/24 01:20 PM
2

It's your profile + your texting. Both aren't attractive enough to make them want to stay. Solution is to: 1, Create a better dating profile. Focus on getting better photos. 2, Change the way you text.
/r/seduction19/07/24 11:00 AM
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Agree. It's not ideal for find myself here at 39 but better late than never. I feel like mindset is important but also not giving my power away. One mistake I think I make is, I think I give my one IRL friend a little too much power over me. He regularly accuses me of not being "ready" for this, and declines to take me too far in it. He treats his opinion as fact, and he might even be right, but I feel like I need to try as far as my mindset will allow me to because sitting and waiting for his s…
/r/seduction19/07/24 10:57 AM
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Very true. Women are horny on weekdays too.
/r/seduction19/07/24 10:15 AM
1

Yes. Actually got a few dates out of it, despite putting my Instagram account on private.
/r/seduction18/07/24 08:34 PM
3

That's the good out of this situation. Now you know you won't let it happen again, the next one can only be a much better attempt at success.
/r/seduction18/07/24 08:33 PM
13

Get another date. She sounds like she's the slow burn type, so it may last another 2 dates or so. At the same time, you wanna bear in mind she kissed on the first date, so it's possible she's just posturing to not look easy. So whatever you did that worked on the first date, keep doing that. Get more of a connection going, escalate progressively. She'll likely object to more, because she'll try to keep to her word. Don't be fazed. Back off when necessary. It's a patience game ultimately. I'd do …
/r/seduction18/07/24 02:31 PM
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I had a woman once say, "I'm not gonna sleep with you", only to end up doing that a few dates later. It's possible it's just token objection. So I reckon you should go on another date and keep leading towards sex. Having said that, if you feel like you don't wish to waste your time, just stop.
/r/seduction18/07/24 02:18 PM
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There's an old school technique called triangular gazing. Basically, look into one eye, then look into the other, then look at her mouth. Then repeat it again a few times. Just be aware that you wanna slow down your eye movements when you do this. Don't be the socially weird idiot who rapidly moves his eyes around for no reason. Slow down, take your time, do that as you're verbally escalating. Be more deliberate in your mannerisms as you're doing that. Give it a try and let me know how it goes!
/r/seduction17/07/24 10:51 PM
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Just reframe. "You're right. But you don't look dangerous at all, so I guess I can trust you a little. I hope 😏" Don't need to be serious when you encounter an objection like this. I've encountered similar objections many times, and you just need to be mischievous and turn the situation around to make it sound like you're the one who should be afraid.
/r/seduction17/07/24 10:41 PM
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Flirting and creating sexual tension is as much a non-verbal communication as a verbal one. In fact, I dare say if you focus on the non-verbal aspect, it's more than enough. Some commenters in here talk about being fun and playful. That is definitely one part of it, but you cannot be too fun and playful when you want things to get serious/intense/hot. She wants to be seduced. She wants to feel like the interaction is sexy. She wants YOU to be sexy too. And when you are being fun and playful, tha…
/r/seduction17/07/24 08:29 PM
2

Oh yeah for sure. I had really bad social experiences with my K-12 peers and my mom had major trust and social issues herself. I was definitely set up to fail at this. I am trying to unlearn these but it's very hard. I reckon the fact that you are aware is great, because that means the power to change is now in your hands. It may take you a tad longer than others, but you can still get to where you wanna be, compared to someone who's 55 (for example) who will have a much harder time and lesser o…
/r/seduction17/07/24 07:11 PM
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There is no faster way except to force yourself to break the touch barrier. Do it repeatedly till your mental block goes away. That's what I did after ages of going on multiple dates without escalating. Once I realized mentally it was not a big deal, it no longer became a problem on dates.
/r/seduction16/07/24 11:45 PM
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I guess it could be called social anxiety. I don't know how to describe it other than I simply can't approach. Approaching a stranger is just alien to me, and when I think about doing it somewhere, my mind and body just stop responding and go blank. That's definitely a mental block. In my experience, there's likely a form of anxiety sitting deep down inside. But the way you described it in your comments, about how you just mentally shut down, there's something subconscious that holds you back. I…
/r/seduction16/07/24 02:56 PM
1

Both, but for very different reasons. When you first get to know someone, you want to have them comfortable with your presence and touch. So friendly touches for a start. Then when you're on a date, the interaction's going well, and the both of you are flirting, you can escalate physically and more intimately. Of course, bearing in mind that her boundaries are not violated.
/r/seduction16/07/24 01:21 PM
1

For a start, what are your interactions like? How long have you been out clubbing, and what are your typical results? With regards to mindset and your confidence, where do you feel you stand? What made you say you have an inferiority complex? What's your typical thought process after you had one bad interaction? What's your thought process when your interaction goes well?
/r/seduction16/07/24 01:19 PM
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Yup. Dress up well, have a fun lifestyle so you capture good activity photos of yourself while looking put together. That's the basics. And you don't even need a photo guide too, because there are plenty of free tiktok videos out there that teaches men how to pose well. Takes a lot of time researching these stuff, but getting good photos on a budget is very possible.
/r/seduction15/07/24 11:10 PM
1

I've tried to be more social, go out, and whatnot but I just can't make anything happen. I'm confused as to why this is the case? If you're going out being social, then your chances of meeting people naturally go up. Or are you saying you're hitting a wall and getting nowhere with doing this? One thing I know that doesn't help is I can't approach strangers, women or otherwise. Likewise with this. You can't approach strangers because of severe social anxiety, or...? I'm not attractive, I have no …
/r/seduction15/07/24 08:44 PM
1

Yup. You said "pulling them in for sex", so that's where I meant you should be doing so.
/r/seduction15/07/24 07:12 PM
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You've barely shared with us anything substantial. It's hard to tell based on this little information what might be the problem. Obviously, confidence plays a part. But I do feel there's more at play here.
/r/seduction15/07/24 04:39 PM
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It's true. End of the day, the cost really boils back down to self maintenance. You can save a lot by not going to the gym and doing calisthenics, but you're still paying with your time and effort. You don't need a photo shoot to look good, but the clothes do play a part in the image, which is key to portraying who you are. Likewise, researching on the types of shots to take to make yourself look good takes time and effort. All of that factors into the end result. I personally think instead of s…
/r/seduction15/07/24 04:23 PM
1

Are you establishing physical intimacy with them?
/r/seduction14/07/24 11:59 PM
1

You could see it as fate. You could also see that as self pity that isn't going to help you solve your problem. Like I've said before, you're only 32, so there's time to fix the money issue as well. My best advice is not to give up and fight as hard as you can while you still can, because if you're feeling self pity at 45 and still in the same situation, your will to fight will be much lower. This is the time before you further condition your own body to give up. I uploaded this video, and I rec…
/r/seduction14/07/24 11:38 PM
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It's not too late. But do get help. I know of men who have autism and still managed to find themselves a girlfriend. They worked harder than most of us at it, but they proved that it's possible. I reckon instead of telling yourself you are unable to socialize, start doing the exact opposite by socializing as much as you can. As someone who grew up socially awkward up till the age of 25 at least, I put in a lot of time and effort into understanding people and our nuances in communication. Took me…
/r/seduction14/07/24 09:12 PM
2

Tinder is owned by Match Group, and they're known for customer acquisition. Boosting your profile when you first got an account with them is one of their tricks. Another thing they do is show that you have a constant flow of likes coming in. And when you finally subscribe, you'll see your likes came from everywhere around the world except the country you're in.
/r/seduction14/07/24 09:01 PM
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Focus less on the things you say, and more on the vibe you have from yourself and with them. Good luck!
/r/seduction14/07/24 08:57 PM
1

You need to draw clear boundaries with her. This may be something casual, but neither of you need to hear about who the other person is sleeping with, and all the specific details that come along with it. It's possible she told you because she's treating you as a friend. Someone who's a constant presence in her life, and whom she feels comfortable enough with to share such information with. Not necessarily disrespecting you. But at the same time, this is not something she needs to share with you…
/r/seduction14/07/24 04:42 PM
2

She doesn't seem interested. Based on my general experience, if they wish to go for a second date, they tend not to unmatch on the app. Having said that, consider the alternative perspective that it's possible she unmatched as a way of "cleaning her inbox" or to hide their activities from an unknowing partner. Also, some people unmatch once they exchange phone numbers. But this is typically a rare situation. If you're not afraid of rejection, send another text and try to arrange a second date. T…
/r/seduction13/07/24 10:49 PM
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The idea that you have to get in state is a very short term approach, because then, you'll forever be chasing the state. So the best thing you can do is build yourself an awesome life, one that you feel so good about, that you're proud and happy to share with others. Then when you're interacting with others, it becomes about you giving value to others.
/r/seduction13/07/24 02:55 PM
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Part 1: https://www.tiktok.com/@owner__one/video/7379705605365320961 Part 2: https://www.tiktok.com/@m5studio1/video/7347659393577700654 Gotta bear in mind though, that this is about first impressions. So in my opinion, it can affect your number of matches. Number of dates, I'd say that's dependent on your texting.
/r/seduction08/07/24 11:03 AM
0

The shorter you are, the more your personality will need to make up for it. Be larger than life.
/r/seduction07/07/24 10:22 PM
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People who want to learn will read it. Focus on the ones you made the content for.
/r/seduction07/07/24 08:03 AM
0

Appearances do matter. It gets your foot in the door a lot easier, but whether it sustains or not... that is up for debate. I've seen women who get bored of men who are hot, but cannot hold a conversation, just 5 minutes after talking to them. At the same time, my first mentor... not a good looking guy at all. But man. That dude knows wtf he's doing. Seen him get make outs within seconds, and also... sex on the dancefloor in a club.
/r/seduction06/07/24 09:16 PM
1

I teach it. Not sure about other dating coaches, since I've not really seen materials on what I've mentioned. But for body language, this topic's probably been written to death. Google is your best friend!
/r/seduction05/07/24 07:51 PM
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Get a dating coach. Give yourself 2 years.
/r/seduction04/07/24 11:36 PM
1

Your best strategy is to ping her every now and then. Get a good conversation going, and then leave when it's on a high. You don't wanna overdo the texting, unless you know absolutely how to text well.
/r/seduction04/07/24 07:05 PM
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Always good to have a break from each other. You want her to yearn, and if you had a great date the first time, she'll want more. Unfortunately, we can't really tell if it's over or not. But you'll need to chill and hang back instead of pushing so hard for things to keep moving forward. Acknowledge her text, and double text again in a few days time. You'll likely find out by then.
/r/seduction04/07/24 03:48 PM
1

In my experience, younger women are more easily bored. And yes, they are more likely to be less serious about dating. Having said that, I am of the belief that everyone's just out to meet awesome people. And if they think you're awesome, they'll naturally wanna meet you.
/r/seduction04/07/24 10:16 AM
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I'm 42. Most of the women I met range from 30 to 45. But the age doesn't matter. A recent client of mine is 28 or so, and his record was 5 dates in 7 days, and most of his matches are in their early 20s. Youngest I met was a Polish 21 year old, about a year before I met my gf. She was looking for a 3some though, so I guess that was easier in some sense.
/r/seduction03/07/24 11:07 PM
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Didn't count, but I got about 3 dates per week when I was single. Could probably have gone on more, but didn't have the time. Once I get a number, it's about 80 to 90% chance of getting a date. Got a gf in August last year, so haven't touched the apps since.
/r/seduction03/07/24 09:14 PM
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Height only matters when she doesn't like you.
/r/seduction03/07/24 04:39 PM
0

He's bringing his own implications into what others say, and then acting like they are assholes. That's all there is to it.
/r/seduction03/07/24 12:48 PM
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Yes that's all well and good in the abstract, but we're talking about a specific example in this thread. Furthermore, just because a woman has an opinion on something doesn't mean it is reasonable, fair, or sane. That's why it is our job as third parties to this affair to try and be reasonable and objective, so we can give OP some actually helpful advice, rather than sneer at him. A woman didn't want to be kissed, and she got kissed. If in her mind she didn't ask for it, she'll see it as her bou…
/r/seduction02/07/24 11:50 PM
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Unfortunately, women don't care whether you think it's douchey or not. They only care about whether their boundaries are violated, unspoken or not. Regardless of where he met her, how nice or respectful he was during the date, if he made a move she didn't agree with... she's gonna be uncomfortable with it and may even see you as being a predator. So you can scream and shout, you can protest all you want, but you can't change a woman's opinion on that once she's made up her mind. Also, I sense th…
/r/seduction02/07/24 10:19 PM
1

If so, then yes, you definitely wanna take what you learn from Toastmasters and implement that along with whatever you learn from dating advice. You'll get better, it just takes time!
/r/seduction02/07/24 09:47 PM
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Does Toastmasters teach you to listen and respond to someone's emotions? Do they also teach you to lead the conversation towards getting the date, or your eventual relationship goal? What about improving your body language, as well as mastering the necessary vibes you need when talking to women?
/r/seduction02/07/24 07:44 PM
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I had a potential client who was doing very well in Toastmasters. But a year on, he still hasn't met anyone or gone on a date. In fact, the guy's still a virgin. It's a bit of a misunderstanding (to me anyway) that joining Toastmasters would help you communicate better with women. It can definitely help in terms of getting your ideas across, but communication with women is a different ball game. Conversation - as a tool for getting better with women - is also given way more attention than it sho…
/r/seduction02/07/24 07:33 PM
1

Just ignore it and talk to someone else. Calling out the "bad behaviour" does more harm than good to you, especially in social circles where everyone's behaviour is easily talked about and spread around as gossip. It also makes you look butt hurt and overly sensitive. So it's much better to be unshakeable about such things, as if it's water off your back basically. But if you really feel that they are blatantly disrespecting you, then your focus should be on why they are doing that. Is it becaus…
/r/seduction02/07/24 07:14 PM
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Feels like this. She wasn't brave enough to call you out for lack of consent, and so, rainchecks you instead.
/r/seduction02/07/24 11:28 AM
2

Yes and no. Some women don't care, some do.
/r/seduction01/07/24 08:12 PM
2

That's a very reductive way of looking at an interaction. You should not base your leading upon 1 single indicator like that. If that's the case, none of us are truly leading whenever we talk to a woman and she decides to leave the conversation. At the end of the day, leading is a mindset. It's something you wanna be doing more than the woman. That means leading in terms of deciding where it goes (in our case, it's towards escalation), creating the rapport, sharing your beliefs/values, leading/l…
/r/seduction01/07/24 04:31 PM
3

Always be leading!
/r/seduction01/07/24 01:30 AM
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Could be bad sex. But retention has mostly to do with either lifestyle, or yourself.
/r/seduction01/07/24 12:29 AM
0

Your framework sounds like a lot of work. This can be simplified more.
/r/seduction30/06/24 05:53 PM
1

If she were attracted, she'd follow you back. So it's not your approach or that you showed interest. She just didn't find you attractive.
/r/seduction29/06/24 05:59 AM
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She's not interested. Somewhere along the way, you said something that either turned her off, or made her feel like you're unattractive.
/r/seduction28/06/24 04:24 AM
2

You're right, that would be kinda weird. You don't wanna do that at the beginning. What you're suggesting as well is a cold read, which is not what I am saying. Escalation is progressive. You wanna start small when you're just getting to know her. So in the example I gave initially, with the Filipino girl when we were talking about holiday spots, I said, "The one thing I really like about a beach holiday is I just get to lay on the sand and chill the fuck out. I work really hard for my job, so w…
/r/seduction27/06/24 09:47 PM
0

End of the day, you can focus on "might not find a girl", or you can focus on improving your approach and your person, so that women will want you as a boyfriend or FWB.
/r/seduction27/06/24 11:26 AM
2

I don't think this is something that can be forced consciously. What puts me in this state is doing warmups and giving hit-and-run compliments. That can work too, if you're able to beat past the anxiety at the beginning. It makes you realize the initial rejections aren't that big a deal, and then the momentum just takes over. This has never really worked for me. Did you focus on the counting, or did your mind just start thinking about the approach?
/r/seduction27/06/24 10:01 AM
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You are half right. Having a common interest helps get you the mutual agreement. Having common beliefs and values work as well. Being able to vibe well with her is an agreement on an energy level. But I prefer to either vibe (because she senses your energy first, and uses that as an indicator for how creepy/cool you are), or have common beliefs/values. The latter helps tremendously because that's what we identify ourselves with. That's why people often say don't talk about religion or politics, …
/r/seduction26/06/24 10:16 PM
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It will get easier as you learn how to deal with your anxieties better. One of the things I stand by very strongly is meditation. Do it in your free and quiet time. Over the long term, the hand trembles will stop and your thoughts will calm down. I'd also add that instead of worrying about all the negative things that can happen when you approach, place your attention on what you can do to make the approach go better. Even just reminding yourself that you have to smile for a start, is already ta…
/r/seduction26/06/24 09:09 PM
1

I mean, you're a 24 year old who goes around telling people you'd knock their teeth down their throats. That's hilarious. Can't even take you seriously now 😂
/r/seduction26/06/24 08:24 PM
1

You can check out my website if you wish to see the proof. Links are in my profile. I'm sensing reading comprehension issues from you though. Perhaps you'd like to read my previous comment again and then you'd understand better what I'm saying. Until then!
/r/seduction26/06/24 08:08 PM
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"Bad takes" that's worked tremendously well for me. Maybe you just need to be more open minded about what you're reading, instead of having a strict idea of what works and what doesn't. OP has anxiety and overthinks, and you offer "just be yourself", "be okay sharing yourself with the world", "consider it a valuable opportunity for them" as advice. For anyone who has anxiety, I can tell you what you're saying feels esoteric to them. He can't even let go of his anxiety enough to understand what i…
/r/seduction26/06/24 07:50 PM
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Thanks. I've also had women say they don't believe me, but I'd just respond with, "I really have no idea". They'd just stop asking after that. It's not something they truly want to know ultimately, otherwise they'd be really relentless about it.
/r/seduction26/06/24 07:25 PM
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I am merely stating what worked for me, especially as someone who used to see his own hands tremble when he was gesturing while talking to the woman. Focus on the countdown, and that'll strip your mind of other thoughts. Simple as that. Not really sure why offering such a simple solution gets such antagonistic responses. 2, relationships of any kind is really just about 2 people saying yes to each other over and over again. Example: yes, I like talking to this guy. Yes, I want to see him again. …
/r/seduction26/06/24 07:21 PM
1

I really have no idea. Definitely higher than that, but I don't have a good gauge how many.
/r/seduction26/06/24 05:37 PM
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Pre-approach: take your focus away from the approach and work on bringing up your vibe. It's not about being high energy. You want to get to a state where you don't have nervous energy, and come across as friendly (at the very least). Then when you see a woman you'd like to approach, count down from 5 to 0. The moment you start counting, start walking over. That'll stop you from overthinking. During the approach: focus on getting mutual agreement right away. You want her to say yes to you on a v…
/r/seduction26/06/24 05:02 PM
4

Ohhh yeah your logic is perfectly on point 😂
/r/seduction26/06/24 04:47 PM
2

Worked for me with my gfs.
/r/seduction26/06/24 03:40 PM
31

Every single time I've used this, it's worked. So lame or not, it doesn't matter to me. That line is also borne out of my personal approach to never keeping count throughout the years. Maybe try it and see how it works, instead of dissing it so effortlessly. Easy to be a keyboard jockey.
/r/seduction26/06/24 03:39 PM
325

The correct answer is, "I don't keep count, because I treat women as people, not numbers."
/r/seduction26/06/24 02:20 PM
3

It's the same process, like in real life. Though the "assess interest" bit feels redundant to me. She either is or she isn't. And you'll find out when you ask her on a date.
/r/seduction26/06/24 12:17 PM
2

I am curious why everything you mentioned is not on the table?
/r/seduction26/06/24 11:45 AM
25

My suggestion is to "up your game", so you don't have to rely on money as a way of attracting the woman.
/r/seduction25/06/24 11:54 PM
2

It's not about how long you gotta wait. It's about how she feels about you when you ask. If she feels good, she's way more likely to say yes. So ask her out when the interaction is at a high.
/r/seduction20/06/24 03:57 PM
-1

My gf and I were out with a female friend of hers over the last weekend. She was having trouble expressing interest in men, because apparently, the more interested she is in someone, the less she is to show it. She'd play it really cool with some guy, and eventually, nothing came out of that. If you're gonna rely on a woman's reactions to gauge her interest, you'd be going nowhere with a lot of women. Lead the interaction fearlessly. If it doesn't turn out right, learn your lessons and move on.
/r/seduction20/06/24 11:28 AM
1

You read too much into it. She wasn't inviting you anywhere.
/r/seduction19/06/24 06:42 PM
1

You can do both. It's not one or the other.
/r/seduction19/06/24 12:04 PM
1

Bet I can easily disprove that, but not gonna reveal what I know so easily. Lol
/r/seduction02/06/24 11:03 PM
8

I've never regretted going for a kiss. If I went for it and she accepted, that means she wanted it too. If I went for it and she didn't accept it, but actually wanted to slow down, that's fine. It means she just didn't want it then. It also means it was just a matter of time. If I went for it and she didn't accept it, and she totally didn't want it at all... it means she wasn't attracted to me at all. In which case, I just need to know what was it that makes her not like me. Although typically, …
/r/seduction02/06/24 10:01 PM
1

I personally think $5,000 is a lot too. But I always ask myself the question... If it really helps a man overcome his dating problems for life, is it worth that price then? That being said, for 3 days, that's pushing the envelope a lot. There has to be more benefits beyond those 3 days.
/r/seduction02/06/24 09:07 PM
1

Not about forcing. A dating coach can help with developing the student into an attractive man. There are plenty of concepts and strategies out there that plenty of people have never even heard of, because it's all behind the scenes and a paywall. Don't make that mistake of assuming a dating coach is useful only in dire situations.
/r/seduction02/06/24 09:05 PM
1

Find out what the support system is like after that. Do you get a community after that too? That is really important for your growth.
/r/seduction02/06/24 09:02 PM
1

That was in 2009. What are you looking for specifically though?
/r/seduction02/06/24 02:56 PM
1

Troy Dizon. He's no longer in business. Dude got married and retired.
/r/seduction02/06/24 06:29 AM
0

I paid US$1,500 at that time, I believe. It was a 3-day, 2-night boot camp. I was lucky because my buddy was part of the coaching team too, which meant after the bootcamp, hanging out with him was just free coaching in a way. We had a very strong local alumni group, and that allowed us to easily find people to head out with. And we learnt from each other a lot. So your support system is just as important as the coaching.
/r/seduction02/06/24 06:28 AM
12

I started out without a coach, self taught for 2 years. I learnt way more in 6 months, with a good coach and support system... than I did in those 2 years. 3 of my buddies got themselves the same coach before I did, and they turned out to be superstars after that. 2 of them became coaches, and were very good at what they did. A coach will always be able to see your blindspots. So I reckon if you got the money, go for it.
/r/seduction01/06/24 10:03 PM
5

This. You don't need anything complicated. What matters more is how you follow up from the initial hi.
/r/seduction14/05/24 01:01 AM
1

Image + vibe problem.
/r/seduction12/05/24 11:50 PM
2

Did you just get triggered? 😂
/r/seduction09/05/24 04:10 PM
7

It isn't as simple as "white men have sex in other country" that gets people triggered. It's the attitudes some of the white men bring. I've met so many women who tell me they go on dating apps and match with a white guy, only to get sent messages like "I have a nice place and a big dick. Wanna come over?". These men don't even try to be decent. That's what annoys people.
/r/seduction09/05/24 09:27 AM
4

It's not the dinner date, it's you. You could've verbally escalated, or you could have been playful and kept the good vibe going. Or it just wasn't a good match. Nothing to do with the table in between you and her.
/r/seduction05/05/24 03:31 PM
1

It's teamwork at the end of the day.
/r/seduction26/04/24 09:51 AM
2

It's very sad. It's like they are deliberately sabotaging their own success.
/r/seduction20/04/24 08:25 PM
2

If you're gonna be dating them, it would be wise to at least listen. No one's right 100% of the time, but women can still give pretty darn good insights, even if you're just reading between the lines.
/r/seduction20/04/24 07:46 PM
2

It's very very strange seeing the hate. The 4 things listed above are literally the basics. How hard is it to pick a place and be specific about what you want? No wonder so many men are complaining that women aren't attracted to them.
/r/seduction20/04/24 07:41 PM
2

I typically text the afternoon/evening after we've slept with each other. The only point of contention I'd make is, you just don't wanna make them feel like they're disposable. But yeah, what you texted was good enough.
/r/seduction19/04/24 09:31 PM
7

You didn't, but you should definitely text her by now if you're looking to make plans soon. I've done this enough times to know texting them soon is better than later.
/r/seduction19/04/24 09:23 PM
5

Her response was because you said something stupid, not because it's unanswerable. It was a legitimate concern, and you dismissed it with a joke, that's why. She wanted you to assure her, or at the very least, show that you've got an idea on how to take care of this situation. A better response would've been: "If you and I were dating, we would have found a way to bridge that gap. But we have to meet first, find out how much we like each other. And right now, it looks like we're doing very well.…
/r/seduction15/04/24 04:58 PM
3

A lot of assertiveness is based on language and tonality. Work on those two. Language mainly for tactfulness. Follow jefferson_fisher on Instagram. He has a few good tips on this.
/r/seduction14/04/24 05:03 PM
1

It's good that you know what the problem is now, because at 22 years old, you're not so stuck on who you are and therefore, you can still change all these aspects of yourself. Bad news is, what you're doing now is not gonna help UNLESS you change your mannerisms. Personally, I reckon you should start with changing your voice and the way you speak. Good news is, your voice can definitely be changed. It is NOT an absolute. Meaning, you're not stuck with it unless you choose to. There are online co…
/r/seduction14/04/24 04:18 PM
3

You're 21, dude. I know of a man who is 30 and still a virgin.
/r/seduction13/04/24 01:16 PM
58

You train yourself to keep looking at them, and not away. There's no easy solution to this. Keep doing it, even when you're talking to them.
/r/seduction10/04/24 11:04 AM
1

"Bring some wine over and let's do this, my Queen 😉"
/r/seduction09/04/24 08:17 PM
1

Oh this would be so good for everyone here. It could be a form of accountability as well, so people will be motivated to keep going.
/r/seduction03/04/24 05:00 PM
1

Did you try making a move?
/r/seduction03/04/24 04:59 PM
8

It helps for sure!
/r/seduction31/03/24 03:38 PM
1

Gonna add on another bit here: Woman: "Hey let's go on a holiday trip to Europe. Don't worry, babe. I'll pay for my own tickets and accommodation." Man: "But I don't have enough money to go..." Oh yeah. That's very attractive.
/r/seduction30/03/24 05:48 PM
1

Which do you think is more attractive? "So what did you do this weekend?" A: "Oh man. Me and a whole bunch of friends ended up at a concert. It was spontaneous, we didn't even plan it. One of us just made a random suggestion and we went for it. And we were having so much fun, we decided to push our luck and see if we could get into the backstage, and we did. We ended up meeting the band and partying with them!" OR B: "I stayed home and decided to rest. Played a game on my xbox for a whole 8 hour…
/r/seduction30/03/24 05:44 PM
1

Just being curious here, not trying to be argumentative. Why do you think it doesn't matter all the time?
/r/seduction27/03/24 09:55 AM
2

If your PUA theories and concepts don't sound manipulative or sleazy, yes, it can work. I've shared with the women I've dated the theories I truly believe in and how it's just part of the natural process of communication between people. They've always been received very well. There's a saying though: "You can put pearls on a pig, but it's still a pig". So there are just some or concepts/ideas that are just flat out disingenuous and we can all try and dress it up and make it look good. But... it …
/r/seduction27/03/24 09:43 AM
1

DHV should be a natural byproduct of having an awesome lifestyle. Unfortunately, the guy who plays CoD all week long and steps out during the weekends to cold approach isn't gonna have that. That's why it can be fake. Because you have to actually TRY and DHV. That being said, you're right. One of the old school theories of PUA that has always worked is Disqualification, but only in a playful way. Used in a serious context, it can come across as pompous and presumptuous to a stranger.
/r/seduction27/03/24 09:33 AM
2

Actually having solid eye contact and a strong voice tone shows that you are comfortable with yourself. Your body will always be a tell for how you feel about yourself.
/r/seduction26/03/24 01:34 PM
17

The PUA tactics were what made the whole thing seem like manipulation. Women hear about negging, and they instantly recoil. The idea of DHV felt so fake, because it means you could easily lie about the details in your life. I remember sharing about the structure of Mystery Method with some women I met through a friend. All of them couldn't believe what they heard, and one of them couldn't stop herself from laughing. Women are happy to accept and love that dating advice for men exists. But there'…
/r/seduction26/03/24 12:01 PM
1

A person's vibe says a lot about who they are. It's way more important than the words they say. Thanks for sharing your perspective!
/r/seduction26/03/24 10:55 AM
10

You absolutely have to take the lead. Most people, not just women, are passive. By taking the lead, you are essentially guiding her through the interaction to get to a common goal together. I like to think of conversation as a great way of conveying your own personality. But what you said makes me feel that everyone in here can benefit from the challenge of getting a girl with the least amount of words they can speak. I believe it will blow people's minds how all the routines and whatnot can be …
/r/seduction25/03/24 08:36 PM
4

It really does! Your vibe, your entire being, just who you are... is truly what makes her attracted, not the lines you spit.
/r/seduction25/03/24 05:17 PM
21

The whole deal with "game" is... replicating the behaviours of men who are successful with women, so that the woman you're interested in will be attracted to you. But women are somehow just very good at spotting who's truly attractive, and who's pretending to be. And it comes across in the subtle details/tiny behaviours, like holding eye contact, a strong tone of voice when talking, the way you react to what they say etc. If you subconsciously don't believe that you're an attractive man, they ju…
/r/seduction25/03/24 05:13 PM
40

If you're attractive, you're attractive. Women definitely can lose attraction, but if you're an attractive guy, you've got to have character issues to make them lose the attraction. Otherwise, "accidental shit" doesn't really count. It's when you're not really attractive, that the little things you do make you lose attraction. And women can smell real attractiveness from the fake ones very easily. Their intuition is just on point.
/r/seduction25/03/24 03:29 PM
15

You don't. You talk to everyone else around her, let her see that you're cool and easily have a good time with people. Then when you finally talk to her, it just becomes easier.
/r/seduction25/03/24 01:47 PM
2

I remember meeting someone for a second date once. Made it clear that I definitely wanted sex, but if she didn't want it that night, I was perfectly fine with it too. Told her there wasn't any need to rush and we could wait. When I walked her back to her condo, she invited me in and that was my cue. Pulling back just works.
/r/seduction25/03/24 01:44 PM
153

Yup. It can be that simple! Leading the interaction is so important. If she likes you, she'll follow. The conversation itself doesn't need to be stellar. She feels your vibe more than anything else. Confidence always helps; the guys who say it doesn't, never experienced what true confidence feels like. Thanks for sharing!
/r/seduction25/03/24 01:39 PM
9

Working on your money, status and looks won't get you more girls. My buddy has clients who are VCs, CEOs. They couldn't get the women they wanted. It does however, gets you that little bit of initial attention. But I'd say continue working on those, because they form part of who you are. Women are attracted by who you are at the end of the day too. That being said, no one really has time to get out there and day game for hours on end. If you're doing that, you're not doing it right. You may argu…
/r/seduction23/03/24 05:48 AM
40

My mentor used to say: He who does not look hungry, gets fed.
/r/seduction22/03/24 12:47 PM
10

It's not the seeking. It's the desperation that women feel, which turns them off.
/r/seduction22/03/24 12:47 PM
17

That's why you wanna lead the interaction regardless of whether she gives you indicators of interest or not.
/r/seduction21/03/24 03:09 PM
3

It just means you sound like a player. Just reframe what they say and don't take their words seriously. Be playful and unfazed and you'll do well. It's just a test.
/r/seduction17/03/24 03:16 PM
1

Did she want only a one night stand? Was she pleased in bed? My advice is for you to lead the interaction by getting another date and see how she responds. The lack of a strong response may not mean anything as well.
/r/seduction17/03/24 10:51 AM
7

There's no such thing as a sure body language sign. A better way of approaching the interaction is to just lead towards escalation. You aren't reactive that way, and you assume attraction too.
/r/seduction14/03/24 02:59 PM
1

Start talking about sexual experiences.
/r/seduction07/03/24 02:38 PM
3

You're gonna have to ping regularly, because it shows that you aren't treating her as someone disposable. If it's something already agreed to be purely casual, then you can ping lesser.
/r/seduction03/03/24 09:47 PM
3

You have to look at this process as a journey. It may be tough to take what seems like a failure, but no one has ever gotten good without failing. You're on the right track. Next time, stay sober if you're gonna be doing this. And now you know not to push so hard as well.
/r/seduction03/03/24 08:47 PM
1

It means she's open to chatting with you more.
/r/seduction03/03/24 05:28 PM
1

Whatever you're doing on text is not working. We can't tell for sure what the problem is, unless you show us how you're texting your matches.
/r/seduction02/03/24 11:23 AM
2

Your story eerily reminds me of mine. At 25, I was terrible as well. I'm also 5'7", though I think at that time I was about 105lbs. Incredibly low on confidence and shitty self esteem. I also had tons of social anxiety. I remember I approached a girl once, when I was around 27, and my hands were shaking so bad as I was gesturing... I was pretty sure she saw that too. What I'll say right now is... don't worry, you're not destined to be single forever. I had that same fear, and as I got older and …
/r/seduction01/03/24 01:13 AM
4

You didn't make a strong enough first impression.
/r/seduction28/02/24 11:31 AM
5

They're not interested. Doesn't matter what you do to try and close.
/r/seduction26/02/24 12:24 AM
5

One of the biggest problems with a friendly conversation comes from something I call "information exchanging". It's when you share something about yourself, and then she does the same by sharing something about herself. What you share, and what she shares... those lines of conversations never cross paths, which is why it feels friendly but not romantic. So your first step to ensuring that doesn't happen... is to build togetherness. That means your conversation goes beyond "me" and "you". Instead…
/r/seduction25/02/24 07:47 PM
5

Rules didn't change. What likely happened is, the world moved forward and you didn't keep up. Same thing as always: If you're attractive, you're attractive. But being attractive also requires effort put into yourself. So do that, and you'll be fine. If you're starting with an advantage, as you say you do, then you'll be fine in the long run.
/r/seduction25/02/24 07:03 AM
1

If that's the response you can come up with, then you're gonna have a tough time. Cheers.
/r/seduction25/02/24 01:49 AM
3

😂 What that reads to me is, "I have a real big problem I need help solving, but I'm not gonna pay a professional who can help me". Reddit is not gonna help you solve this either because a few paragraphs of text or a long essay is not going to change your life in the dramatic way you wish. What I'll say is this, you need proper guidance. You need a community that can help support you. Not a reddit community where you come to vent. But a community that you can hang with that will offer actual "Let…
/r/seduction24/02/24 03:58 PM
18

If she's not interested, she will not test you.
/r/seduction23/02/24 09:48 AM
7

That's the thing. I don't start with "hi, how are you". If it's online dating, my openers would almost always be a unique perspective on something I observed in her profile. Typically, I also build togetherness right from the very beginning. Here's something I wrote a while back: Article on openers
/r/seduction21/02/24 06:26 PM
1

You gotta get past that fear of rejection and just pull the trigger. You did very well already to get them into a room together. Just lead, lead and lead.
/r/seduction21/02/24 05:01 PM
10

My conversation structure is to build togetherness right off the bat. That means talking about "us", not "her" or "I". Assuming it's a match from a dating app, I use the word "we" as soon as I can. Then I go right into building a fast connection ASAP. My own structure is simply: Quick Rapport --> Foreshadow --> Sexualize (not necessary on text) And that's it. I lead her through the structure every single time. Even with someone I approach on the streets, this is the same structure I use for my r…
/r/seduction21/02/24 04:52 PM
4

This is one way to train your text game. Eventually you'll be smooth enough after enough practice.
/r/seduction21/02/24 02:54 PM
8

You just need a good conversation structure. Then you just lead her through it.
/r/seduction21/02/24 02:53 PM
2

There's no best way to do this. You've already said you had opportunities, you just didn't dare to capitalize on them. So your problem is not a new way of doing things, it's just being ballsy enough to do it. You have to take that risk eventually, even if it's with other women.
/r/seduction21/02/24 11:07 AM
3

You didn't need to qualify. I reckon if you just offered to massage one of them, and invited the other to massage you... and made a move from there, you could have made it happen. When I had my first 3some, we played truth or dare. After a while, I just took the hand of one girl and brought her to the bed. Invited the other one to come join us. That was it. I didn't qualify them on anything. I just took the lead and made my move.
/r/seduction19/02/24 11:28 PM
7

Get a coach. It will help you accelerate your progress much faster. And you get support after the coaching as well.
/r/seduction19/02/24 01:51 PM
1

You could also see it as... getting better at meeting the woman you'll eventually want to have in your life.
/r/seduction19/02/24 11:17 AM
0

You pay too much attention to her words, which may or may not be true. I once met a girl who... before we went on our first date, I was being all sexual and flirty. And she told me: "I'm not gonna sleep with you." 2 dates later, she sure wasn't saying that any more.
/r/seduction19/02/24 11:16 AM
3

It's true. I don't think a lot of men who get into the dating advice community know that being good at communicating with people in general is such a key part of success. It's not just the women you've gotta win over.
/r/seduction19/02/24 10:27 AM
3

A more effective solution would be to work on becoming a more desirable person. The benefits are longer term.
/r/seduction18/02/24 09:26 PM
4

It's not harder per se, but it's a desirability problem. Meaning, they don't think you are desirable.
/r/seduction18/02/24 09:11 PM
9

What if you just simply aren't attracted to the women who like you?
/r/seduction18/02/24 07:50 PM
74

Great stuff! I love how your night went, and I'd like to break some things down in your interaction that I felt you did very well. 1, you did not hover around her the entire night. Most guys make that mistake of just hanging around a woman once she shows a hint of interest, and it hurts their chances instead. 2, you showed her that you can get along well with others, and that tells her you aren't some weirdo just looking to pick her up. That actually made her come back to you. Very well done the…
/r/seduction18/02/24 07:46 PM
7

Text her again, and set a date up. No certain amount of time to wait. I texted my girlfriend the very night after I left her place (first date). We continued texting, and set up a date for the next weekend. You can invite her right away to your place, but at least put in some effort and don't just treat her like a sex doll. She also wants to feel like you're not merely using her for her body.
/r/seduction18/02/24 05:05 PM
38

One thing I see almost nobody talk about as well... is that the man should also continue to pull his own weight. I hear so many stories all the time, from women talking about how their partner devolved into a man-child, where she ends up taking care of him and does all the chores. My gf's ex partner is like that. Killed the sexual attraction real quick. Sometimes, it's not just about eating healthy or continuing to lift weights. Continuing to do all that is great, but ultimately, but there are a…
/r/seduction18/02/24 05:02 PM
13

"Why save it when you can come join me?" The line's not important, it's what action you wish to take that gives you the line. You need to be clear about that first. And of course, being ballsy enough to say it.
/r/seduction17/02/24 12:44 PM
1

Observational statements are great. Make it relatable and she's more likely to respond well. Personally though, I've learnt in my experiences the opener is not as important as your follow up. So you wanna focus on that instead. And by follow up, I mean having a good vibe, knowing what to do after your opener, and how to progress the interaction.
/r/seduction16/02/24 11:14 AM
2

When I first started out, I was completely clueless about what to do. The literature was there. The structure was there. But I tried it and got very mixed results. This lasted for about 1.5 years. My progress truly accelerated only when I engaged my mentor. And that's the advice I'd give everyone: get a mentor. 4 great things about having a mentor: 1, they help you spot your blindspots and correct your mistakes very quickly, 2, a much more actionable plan for you to execute, 3, great people to m…
/r/seduction15/02/24 06:04 PM
16

Thanks for sharing! I like your style, and I reckon you can expand more upon your mindsets so that everyone can learn better.
/r/seduction15/02/24 02:16 PM
299

Imagine putting so much work into looksmaxxing and then seeing average looking men on the streets with really hot girlfriends 😂
/r/seduction15/02/24 09:42 AM
66

I know that kind of energy. I've been there before. It's too platonic. Too safe. You're not taking risks with the interaction by being more audacious, more upfront with how you feel and who you are. There's basically no edge to the personality you chose to display. And it's also a lack of confidence that they'd actually like you for who you are. So it doesn't matter whether you verbally establish interest or not. In fact, when you say you do so by complimenting on her appearance, that's already …
/r/seduction15/02/24 09:32 AM
1

"A hard work out reduces your ability to connect to the fine nuances of a conversation". No it doesn't. Short of behaving like Dale in Horrible Bosses after he inhaled that stuff, your energy level will not hit such a high after a typical workout. You'll feel good for sure, your energy level will be slightly higher as well, but nothing that will hurt your "game". If anything, that energy will translate as a strong positive vibe, which is always better than the typical flat monotone most guys hav…
/r/seduction14/02/24 09:58 PM
1

Not at all. I have friends who are very socially calibrated and charismatic in real life who failed at online dating. Dating apps are just different, as compared to real life interactions. But once you know how it works, you can make very good use of it to meet women and get dates. To answer your second question, to text well, you definitely need social intelligence. Charisma helps a lot as well, so no... if you aren't really charismatic, you won't be able to text well. But it can be learnt.
/r/seduction13/02/24 11:30 PM
2

Out of sight, out of mind. Whatever state she was in when she met you, it's gone the next day after she woke up. You could lead the interaction and tried to suggest heading back to your place or hers. OR... you could focus on building her desire for you. That way, when she wakes up, she remembers how amazing your company was and genuinely wants to see you again.
/r/seduction13/02/24 11:12 PM
2

You can't ever be uncalibrated because of a workout. It's either the impatience to escalate or inexperience that causes that problem.
/r/seduction13/02/24 10:58 PM
3

Work out. Get your endorphins going.
/r/seduction13/02/24 10:46 PM
1

3 options. 1) Opt for a photo-shoot. 2) Join interest groups, get someone to help you take shots while you are there. Meetup.com is perfect for finding groups you have an interest in. 3) Actually go out and make friends. You can't hope to attract women without having friends in your life. Eventually she's gonna wonder who are your friends, and why she hasn't met them.
/r/seduction22/03/17 11:38 PM
3

Not okay. When it comes to online dating, one of the double standards is that... women can take selfies, men shouldn't. You'd do best to go out with a bunch of friends. It's okay to be the one taking pictures in this case, because you are showcasing your lifestyle, and you have friends (aka sociable). Ideally, you should be doing something fun and interesting. Having said that, pay attention to the smaller details. Lighting is important, colours are very important (because you naturally attract …
/r/seduction22/03/17 10:59 PM
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