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I'm aware the book exists and I know who the guy is. I'll never personally read it though. It's got a reputation for being too primitive and off the mark in OG circles. I happen to respect a lot of people who are not fans of him or the book so I decided not to give it a chance. I have seen a lot of people on the internet say they liked it though.
/r/seduction28/07/17 05:33 PM
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DHV means demonstration of high (er) value
/r/seduction28/07/17 02:18 AM
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I always just get to know them and DHV my ass off constantly. Joke around, banter, but never over invest. It always works. One of them starts liking you, they talk to the others social proof, more like you....etc. Co workers are easy street. You have so many opportunities to hook them. Unlike a cold approach, where you have to hook them in a shorter period of time I rarely go direct at work either, almost always indirect. It's much wiser IMO
/r/seduction27/07/17 10:06 PM
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Aye, too bad MASF is no more. They used to have a free service called PAIR .....where you could find local wings. If you don't find a good wing, you can always make one out of a friend or acquaintance that wants to learn
/r/seduction27/07/17 07:20 PM
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Yep. Just one good wing that will talk you up instead of trying to constantly sabatoge you works wonders. Wings are hard to find these days though.
/r/seduction27/07/17 07:04 PM
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Most guys always do that when you get good. They don't want you around when the ladies are so they have a chance. Betas need every edge they can get and they know.it. Take it as a compliment and try to build a second circle with like-minded guys.
/r/seduction27/07/17 06:36 PM
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I don' t think his behavior is that strange honestly. From what you described anyway. I'm not there to actually see it You do go to his dance class so he may be wary of shitting where he eats. If things hadn't gone weird I'd be asking him if he wanted to smoke up with me or something at his like on a friday after work. You could do that too. Just wait until you see him again and make sure the vibe is good. Worst he can do is say no. No huge risk for you to try. At any rate, that's the best I can…
/r/seduction27/07/17 05:09 PM
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Not really. I don't like that part of the game honestly but I understand why they do it. They have to screen out betas and creepers. No choice, otherwise they would be up to their ass in clingy psychos. I look at shit tests as a necessary inconvenience.
/r/seduction27/07/17 11:42 AM
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I text her about it, radio silence. Girls do that VERY often when they aren't interested. They don't want to make you look bad or hurt your feelings. It's actually very difficult to get an outright no a lot of times. You also have non PUA guys who have gone off on girls FOR saying no and called her a bitch or whatever. Some of them merely want to avoid that kinda shit. Then you have girls that were interested at the time but you didn't make that big of an impact and they just aren't feeling it l…
/r/seduction27/07/17 11:35 AM
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Lucky OGs. All sarging in Europe making money doing it. Lol The industry is still cancer but thank you for hoop theory. Keeps em in check
/r/seduction27/07/17 11:22 AM
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This was really bad we need to set some rules Rule talk is never fun. Especially when you aren't even banging. And He totally did not believe this. can you believe my phone was stolen and somebody sent you some weird af messages. Totally not me Like who would do that, lol. I totally couldn't get away with that, it would sink me if I was chasing a ten. The rules are different for women though and you will probably be fine. His friends wanted you, you take dance classes, and you had the confidence…
/r/seduction27/07/17 11:05 AM
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You did fine. Don't worry about what she's thinking.
/r/seduction26/07/17 06:52 PM
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I'm saying just answer her damn question. If you want to take her out, tell her that. If you want to take her dancing, tell her that. What is it you want? Their isn't a need to lie to her here. You are the only one who can tell her what you want.
/r/seduction26/07/17 06:38 PM
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It takes practice. It's a skill called "calibration" in seduction circles and you only develop it by experience
/r/seduction26/07/17 06:33 PM
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Don't shit where you eat grasshopper. Indirect on neighbor and co workers. Not direct. This isn't that bad of a situation for you though. I've done worse. Lol. Just forget it, don't bother her about it, and just be cool next time you see her
/r/seduction26/07/17 06:31 PM
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Tell her what you want. Pretty simple question, no?
/r/seduction26/07/17 06:29 PM
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You can't be average or below average looking and expect to pull good women without DHVing and having a good vibe with good banter. Really good looking guys never had to specifically learn how to do this. As they are somewhat accustomed to being flirted with and have social proof already. which kind of fuels the looks matter debate It's not even up for debate honestly. It is known looks help and it is also known they aren't necessary. If you don't have looks though, you HAVE to have some game. T…
/r/seduction26/07/17 06:24 PM
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That's not how it was developed at all. Lol. The early guys were into psychology and NLP. Neuroscience and social study. Most of this was pure theory and not codified ANYWHERE until the community field tested it. Chads back then knew nothing of these techniques. Social status and good looks was their only game. That's why PUA's steamrolled over them in set Day game is not low success rate either. You obviously haven't been doing it for any length of time. A guy with just average daygame can get …
/r/seduction26/07/17 06:09 PM
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I suppose you could snatch a hair and do it on the DL. Your names already on the birth certificate if you go that route though. Bigger pain in the ass to deal with once paperwork is involved. Still, that's better than nothing.
/r/seduction26/07/17 01:01 AM
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Lol. If it exists I would love to see it.
/r/seduction26/07/17 12:57 AM
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California. You may have to dodge batshit crazy left wingers but it's worth it. Nothing is more fun to sarge than Cali 10's. The area near Disney in Florida isn't anywhere near as good to sarge as Cali Florida does have good sarging overall but it's no Cali
/r/seduction26/07/17 12:55 AM
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Oh I believe he will. I read a couple of his posts. I noticed nothing said about DHVing in what I read, or him talking about the vibe he was projecting. He seems very good at paying attenation to what is going on around him though. Me being short, I had to learn to DHV while opening direct simultaneously before I could get direct openers to work well. I had similar results to him when I first started. He is getting out there, trying things, and not getting blackpilled by the looks of it. He will…
/r/seduction26/07/17 12:49 AM
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Nobody ever said they don't help. Some girls (not all girls) will simply not even want to talk too an ugly guy in a bar or a club That's not the case. It takes no looks whatsoever to open a set, build attraction, or take a girl home. You guys are too hung up on the looks = attraction beta thinking. They are not as visually wired as we are and this has been proven a thousand times over. The whole reason we even have negs, social proof, push pull, and kino tactics is because guys who couldn't skat…
/r/seduction26/07/17 12:32 AM
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Yes. I've seen uglier pull it off. It's your mindset that is fucking you, not your looks
/r/seduction25/07/17 03:10 PM
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They are like fucking Macintosh computers, and if you answer one question wrong, she will dry up like a tumbleweed Lol. Shit tests don't work remotely that way. PU isn't as black and white as you clsim it is. The industry though? Pure cancer, agreed. Most puas aren't industry related
/r/seduction25/07/17 03:06 PM
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I never say anything about it. I like it to be a surprise. I can't imagine that actually helping anybody though. I have seen people joke about having a microscopic penis to tens as a false disqualifier though. They are obviously just joking when they do it and the girls understand that. Only penis talk I've ever seen in the field....except for the odd beta trying to say "ya it's huge" in a low value turnoffy way though. People with zero game.
/r/seduction25/07/17 02:58 PM
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He is right. The problem with you guys is you constantly broadcast your insecurity and self loathing through your nonverbals and bodylanguage. THAT is what fucks you up so bad.
/r/seduction25/07/17 02:52 PM
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Seconded. It is already covered in the sticky that it's proven not to matter for people with game. Always people constantly bringing it up and derailing convos that should be about game. If that were the case, why even bother coming to a place where people are learning game? If you believe your looks bar you from success, why even try? Since PUA hate shut down because of Elliot Rogers (forum member and mass shooter of ladies on a college campus)...I have noticed those types have flocked to all P…
/r/seduction25/07/17 02:49 PM
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I'm also 5'4. I've seen as low as 5"1 guys pull off great game. You have to be a literal midget to have height actually hurt you. 10's will try busting your balls over it but it's just a shit test. What really hurts short guys is the ones who are insecure about it. They broadcast it through all of their subtext and it reeks of unattractiveness when they do
/r/seduction25/07/17 02:43 PM
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Bad idea if he has no speculation of her cheating on him. This needs to be done ESPECIALLY if he has no speculation on it. Do you have any idea how many millions of poor saps are wasting their resources raising children that aren't theirs with absolutely no clue? She would never feel good knowing she was accused of that out of nowhere Demanding a DNA test isn't an accusation of cheating. Smart people always do this. Only a fool would NOT do it. Even if you would never think she would do that in …
/r/seduction25/07/17 02:12 PM
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In general. I don't know how to judge a guys looks so i couldn't say for you. I'm talking about guys that are genuinely ass ugly. Even mediocre looking guys get IOI's for looks only sometimes. All that is for ugly guys in general. You will still get IOI's in general being ugly but for game related reasons only
/r/seduction24/07/17 11:56 PM
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Looks help but aren't neccessary. Without looks though, keep in mind...no amount of game will ever change the fact girls will never approach you just becaude of you looks. You will rarely if ever get IOI's based purely on your looks. You are not going to have much success on online dating apps compared to good looking guys. You will also never experience girls offering.you rides when walking just because they think you are hot. That is the absolute extent of it though. Game can get you everythin…
/r/seduction24/07/17 11:04 PM
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Those guys aren't even alt right. You do realize the alt right does not allow jews yes? That they hate cernovich, the chicks you mentioned and milo? Lol. Hell even I hate Milo. I'm not anti jew, anti race mixing, or white nationalist myself. You have to have all three going to be alt right. 95% of all rightwing people or better are anti race mixing. Consevatives are just more polite in their expressions of it. You can call them a joke if you want and I think that's particularly funny, as they pu…
/r/TheRedPill24/07/17 07:54 PM
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I'm alt-light. Closely related. My goals overlap with theirs when it comes to mass immigration and trade but that is about it. I am not an alt right member or activist. I do things with traditional republics and and conservatives. I was talking specifically about conservatives though. Race mixing is frowned upon in conservative circles almost as much and full of it's own racial politics. It's just subtler. They are not as radical or obvious about it as the alt right. I don't think anybody needed…
/r/TheRedPill24/07/17 07:23 PM
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Liberals are usually more wary of interacting with "POC" on an intimate personal level (friendships/dating) than conservatives are. Lol. It's the opposite. Liberals are afraid of being called racist for not doing it and do it often just to be "progressive". Conservatives do not generally believe in race mixing itself. I do a lot of right wing activism. Interacial dating is definitely not accepted. White nationialism is mainstream in conservative circles now for god sakes. Lol. I don't personally…
/r/TheRedPill24/07/17 07:12 PM
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Nobody doesn't want equal pay or wants to have children before they are ready. The gender wage gap doesn't even exist and professional women that are good looking aren't ever feminists in my experience. Not to mention they can afford their own birth control and make too much money for hand outs anyway Show me one beautiful professional woman who is a feminist if you can. I have never seen one in my entire life.
/r/TheRedPill24/07/17 07:03 PM
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any advice would be great. Get a DNA test the day the child is born. Don't take no for an answer. Girls always get pissed when you bring it up but if you don't, keep in mind you may be wasting your money raising someone else's child whether you believe she is a cheater or not. That's priority number one, period. As far as the rest of it goes, you just need to communicatr to her what you said here and talk about it.
/r/seduction24/07/17 06:59 PM
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Do extreme feminist beliefs cause you to become incredibly unattractive? I think it is the other way around. Extreme unattractiveness is what allows toxic philosophies like feminism to grow in ugly women. Let me explain why I think that. I have been in the seduction community for about 15 years now and I occasionally have to befriend ugly girls and make them comfortable to get with their friends. Cockblock disarment snd such. I am talking regular unattractivr girls, not feminists. It is easy to …
/r/TheRedPill24/07/17 06:27 PM
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you rarely see an educated attractive feminist woman in a relationship Let me.fix that for ya you rarely see an attractive feminist woman, if ever I have seen exactly one that was really cute in my whole entire life. She wasn't very hardcore about it though. I see a lot of feminists in general with black guys in general though. The nongay ones that is Most white girls won't date black guys at all btw. Especially right wing white women. Almost all of the ones that do are democrat. Whether it be d…
/r/TheRedPill24/07/17 06:10 PM
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I wouldn't do it in the middle of their workout at least. Some people have their shit timed to the minute, I know I do. Stopping me in the middle of that to ask me out would really piss me off and I'm not even a huge on fitness guy. Get at em before they start or after they finish and you should be fine.
/r/seduction24/07/17 03:23 PM
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NP. I bet it works well for you
/r/seduction24/07/17 02:26 PM
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I agree with them the rare instances they want to bring a friend, I just say "that's fine as long as it's a female". I legitimately don't mind that though. If you didn't want to you should have just said no. There are lots of ways to handle this but the LEAST awkard would be to say something came up, say raincheck, and cancel. Make her re open and ask about when.
/r/seduction24/07/17 01:51 PM
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It takes time to get used to opening street style. You can do it just as smoothly as elsewhere but it's a bit of a mental struggle for everybody as far as I know. I never met anybody who was instantly comfortable grom approach 1. Takes awhile.
/r/seduction23/07/17 06:47 PM
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Yep. Taking hot lady friends sarging with you is always a good idea. She talks about it to her girlfriends, social proof. Your sets see you with her having a good time, social proof. People have been doing it for a long time.
/r/seduction23/07/17 06:06 PM
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My only real avenue I feel is online That's how most guys feel these days. Exactly why it's not likely to work out well for you. Market is oversaturated with people thinking that way. Things may change in the future but for now, it's a horrible strategy for the current year. It's low effort and there is no real emotional penalty for rejection or someone not responding which attracts tons of people to use it as a method. Unlike real life where the emotional stakes are higher when you are new and …
/r/seduction23/07/17 05:55 PM
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Tinder is bad because betas flood their inbox. A decent looking girl can wake up to over 100 messages. This is why you need to do real life approaches. Most betas do not have the balls to even start an innocent conversation with a real live woman, let alone sarge them. Online dating was better before the beta flood started. White knighting nice guys swarm the living shit out of online dating sites like a plague of horny locusts. I am very happy with my game and I probably couldn't do much better…
/r/seduction23/07/17 04:37 PM
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I just move on. Not because it's a lost cause per se, I just don't think ice queens are any fun to talk to
/r/seduction23/07/17 04:32 PM
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That's interesting. Like I said, maybe it is just me. It certainly seems the case for me in America. Then again pickup culture is American/Canadian made. I doubt Brazil had even a smigeon of that gigantic wave of indirect. It got bloody ridiculous. Hollywood boulevard got so saturated every girl in the whole area worth sarging had been opened with the same openers at least twice. Lol. Nobody was doing direct approaches at all back then except for the elusive true blue naturals. I think that's wh…
/r/seduction23/07/17 04:21 PM
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Now don't tell me that Looks don't matter They help but aren't neccessary. Thats long been proven. There are guys way better than me who are uglier than me and shorter (I'm 5'5). I am probably decent looking for what I am but nobody has ever approached me because they thought I was good looking. Tyler is a scammer I don't know how honestly he runs his business but the guy DOES have game and knows his shit. He proved his skills years ago before he even had a business. He doesn't even know basics …
/r/seduction23/07/17 04:14 PM
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I have noticed this myself too and have been wondering if it was just me. Indirect is now opening way better than direct, for me at least. Direct used to open better and way stronger. I think so many people doing only direct caused an imbalance in the force. Just like it happened when everyone was riding the indirect train en masse. I've been opening indirectly the past 6 months, getting rapport like a ninja, then shifting to direct shortly after. You are doing great by the sounds of it. Women a…
/r/seduction23/07/17 04:02 PM
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He may not be. Better than that is attainable. I have no idea who tom toreo even is. Even the industry guys that I know for a fact are good, I have always believed you are better off not buying into industry material. All the info you need is free anyway. The demand for this kind of skill is so high people will always pay big money for well marketed content. The industry has always been cancer. It started as a brotherhood of like minded individuals.
/r/seduction23/07/17 03:51 PM
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It still works though, I do it all the time. Are things different now? Yes, very much. We didn't have social justice warriors to deal with, social media wasn't as big. No one was trolling our forums back then, like incels and pua hate types for example. The popularity of direct also changed dynamics alot in society at large (in America at least). I still cold approach. I flirt just for fun even when I'm satisfied with my current SO's. I can get an instadate pretty much any day I want. I do have …
/r/seduction23/07/17 03:19 PM
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Most of them get 20 mins of sex with a girl below their looks level after 1000 approaches Those numbers are claims I have only ever seen on seddit. I don't even believe most of them either because in my experience....dumb luck alone should give you higher numbers. Keep in mind I am from the original forum that made this a thing, MASF. Nobodies numbers were that low. Nobody. We were often working with inferior techniques compared to what we have today too. 95 percent women date in social circle. …
/r/seduction23/07/17 02:04 PM
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You weren't taken advantage of because you never said "babe you have to pay your half if you want to keep going out like this". Some women assume you sre going to pay due to outdated social expectations. You have to tell her you aren't paying and refuse if she tried to get you to spend any money.
/r/seduction23/07/17 01:48 PM
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Routine stacking still works.
/r/seduction23/07/17 01:43 PM
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why would she go for some random guy she met on streets . I just can't understand this . Because women are not in control of what they respond to. No conscious control over it whatsoever. No more than we can control it when we see a badass ten with a nice figure and big tits. Involuntary. Women are just are not primarily visually stimulated. Attraction is not a choice. These techniques we use and behaviors we develeop have been specifically designed and tested to provoke attraction. They do work…
/r/seduction23/07/17 01:26 PM
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This is why you shouldn't let betas become orbiters. Especially when you are an 8 or better
/r/seduction23/07/17 01:13 PM
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You have to ask, that's the only way to tell. Unless of course he starts getting super clingy and starts blowing your phone up, which would just turn you off anyway. Most guys are honorable enough to be straight if they don't want anything serious when asked
/r/seduction23/07/17 01:09 PM
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Yep, that works. A whole subtheory is based on this, pivot theory. Except it's strictly female friends used as wings/social proof. Aside from pivot theory, a lot of guys aren't even PUA's and do exclusively social circle game. Social circle game has it's own set of techniques as well. Though people actually tend to make REAL friends for this, not fake ones.
/r/seduction23/07/17 01:00 PM
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Meh, sounds kinda newagey but you should be able to "feel" the difference when you are maintaining strong eye contact. I was taught to keep good, strong eye contact as a noob and everything else just kinda clicked with experience. I never make any conscious effort to change my gaze into seduction mode or anything fancy like that. Eye contact is under rated still IMO. It has never really had it's true significance appreciated
/r/seduction23/07/17 12:56 PM
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Radical honesty is an approach a whole subsection of PUA's use though. There are guys who do this kind of thing all the time as an integral part of their game, and many are very very good with it. Style differences have to be taken into account, especially when it's known to work. Just like some guys are king at indirect and shit at direct and vice versa.
/r/seduction22/07/17 08:15 PM
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Had he not acknowledged himself that he was over invested I would be hammering him on that too. He knows that already though. What he did in and of itself WAS ok though. Not a big deal. There is a whole subsection of direct guys that run honest SOI based game. It's not like it doesn't work. I personally wouldn't have said it probably for the same reason you wouldn't have....DHV and positioning. Some guys don't care about the potential of lowering your value by using an SOI of that nature. If her…
/r/seduction22/07/17 07:49 PM
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Ya, she knows what the deal is unless she's retarded.
/r/seduction22/07/17 07:30 PM
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If you have already fucked and been talking often for two weeks, romantic feelings sometimes develop. Had it been the day after sex I could see your point. One night stands generally don't keep talking for weeks. Maybe a polite call or text the next day just for ettiquette's sake but thats usually the extent of it. He chose the one that was selfish It's normal for me to tell girls what I want from them. I don't think saying what you want is a bad thing. Especially after you already fucked. If I …
/r/seduction22/07/17 07:17 PM
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Oh I feel ya, been there. Though you do learn skills that are hard to learn anywhere else. Dealing with cock blocking friends, drunk obnoxious people, amogs. You can also get way better at kino way faster. So many targets. Good things happen, magical nights are great of course but the pain in the ass situations are always going to be popping up regularly. Dealing with similar problems in normal society is a cakewalk compared to sarging in a loud nightclub
/r/seduction22/07/17 06:51 PM
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He stopped having outcome independence the second he started putting this chick on a pedestal. There in lies the heart of our disagreement. It is possible to get feelings for a girl and not be dependant on the outcome and to have said feelings without pedastalizing. there was no issue Sure there was, he liked her and had already fucked her. She lived far away. He wanted to go visit. That was the issue. He told her what he wanted, she said no. It's really not a big deal. He wasn't working with fu…
/r/seduction22/07/17 06:35 PM
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I get that there are higher value ways to approach the situation but we also always preaching outcome independance OP just did it because it was what HE wanted to. Getting right down to business and forcing an end to the issue one way or the other was obviously more valuable to him than worrying about what technique would provoke maximum reception. It's ok to do things for yourself just because you feel like it. Not to mention, especially being as they already hooked up....this kind of thing DOE…
/r/seduction22/07/17 06:12 PM
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You guys would be patting him on the back had it worked. These kind of moves DO work, especially when you have already hooked up. I'm more amazed people think this was some god awful mistake. He was just honest about what he wanted and she said no. That's not even remotely a big deal.
/r/seduction22/07/17 05:33 PM
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I hate nightgame myself. I used to do it. I even got a job as a bartender once to get over the anxiety. Even after I got comfortable in the environment, I still didn't like it. Fear is not an excuse not to do it IMO, you have to just to get over it if for no other reason. That being said, it is ok not to be a club person. Lots of people don't like bars and there isnt anything wrong with it. Tl;dr: Do it only because it is out of your comfort zone but you don't have to always be a nightgamer. Foc…
/r/seduction22/07/17 05:17 PM
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http://www.masf20.com/masf-archive.html Mystery, Zan, Tyler Durden, Style, Gunwitch, BradP and Juggler are all posters I highly recommend. Some very good shit in the archives
/r/seduction22/07/17 05:11 PM
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I think "J love talk" on youtube talks about it sometimes. Though keep in mind, her advice is sometimes wrong. Women are horrible at coaching men but I think it's important to at least listen to their perspective when it comes to actual relationships.
/r/seduction22/07/17 05:02 PM
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Lol. It works! Also, never sarge in sweatpants. Bad ju ju. Especially if you are freeballing
/r/seduction22/07/17 04:59 PM
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Nothing wrong with it if you want to. I wouldn't do it just because of the three second rule though. That's just to get new people to actually approach. It's not meant to be an extreme absolute.
/r/seduction22/07/17 04:45 PM
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Np. It's obvious but also worth pointing out there are some girls who literally never have and never will put out on the first date. It is a deep seated, identity level issue they base self respect on. These girls are obviously in the minority but I thinknit is important to give women who are obviously a little conservative and always act like a lady a little bit more leeway. A strict one date rule will have those types slipping through your fingers everytime but they are really good women and w…
/r/seduction22/07/17 04:36 PM
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Date one lays aren't always logistically possible so it's not neccessarily even a mistake on your part. There is nothing wrong with getting a day two lay. A lot of PUA's have a two date rule though, no fucky fucky then no third date I personally use a three date rule. I like to go slightly slower than everyone else because I am strict on screening
/r/seduction22/07/17 04:21 PM
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Fluff talk, getting to know her better. Talking feelings and emotions. Finding out what you have in common, sharing qualities you value. Etc Some girls don't need you to spend much time doing that before sex but some do. Texting more isn't really a good strategy for it IMO. You need face time to build comfort. You have to learn how to calibrate it though. You can also spend TOO much time in comfort to where it is counter productive. Unless she is a straight up ho though you have to spend at leas…
/r/seduction22/07/17 04:03 PM
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I call em out "Like hey bro, I don't wanna talk to you right now. I'm trying to talk to the cute girl for now. We'll talk later". Lol...it PISSES them off but if they aren't mentally unstable they won't swing over it. You were being nice about it. You can also just say "excuse us" then grab the girl's hand, walk away, then isolate her. That REALLY pisses them off. Lol. Jealousy is no joke though man, it can lead to fights no matter how well you try to diffuse it. Especially with 10's. You either…
/r/seduction22/07/17 03:52 PM
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The alabaster girl by Zan Perrion is pretty good. It's not so much about technique though. It's more philosophical. Old forum posts from good people are probably way better than any book though. Want me to dig you up an archive link? Don't wanna spend the time digging it up if you don't want to read it
/r/seduction22/07/17 03:39 PM
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Lol, reminds me of something Gunwitch said back in the day. His whole method was sexuality based sort of like what you are saying OP. I was talking to him and this other guy who was a noob and Gunwitch was coachin him on how effective being horny in set can be. The guy asked, "but what do I do if I pop a boner Gun? I know it's gonna happen". Gun unironically suggested "Turn around, make a fist, and straight up hammerfist your cock. It will hurt like hell but if you do it a few times it will star…
/r/seduction22/07/17 03:34 PM
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That's a good point, especially with facebook. Hard to avoid even people you have completely deleted their number for. I don't use facebook. I never have liked it. I don't do tinder or any of that stuff either. I'm strictly reddit and 4chan. I often forget to consider the shit people who use those platforms have to deal with at a social level.
/r/seduction22/07/17 03:22 PM
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You said you were dating her yes? Should already be clear. To answer the way you want though.... Just tell her you are into her if you want to verbalize it. Statement of intent is SOI btw just to clear the terminology. You could do it a lot of ways. Any reason you aren't comfortablr saying "I like you and I'm not interested in being just friends with you?" Thats straight and to the point.
/r/seduction22/07/17 03:16 PM
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Maybe I just next differently than you guys. Me personally, when I next... I delete the number and never initiate contact again. It's hard for me to imagine someone nexting and ex and still texting with her. It's probably a personal quirk of mine though. I realize some people like to stay in touch but I'm not like that.
/r/seduction22/07/17 03:11 PM
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Can somebody explain this to me? No one has ever completely explained flaking as far as I know. Even Zan doesn't know. I remember a post of his back in the day talking about being frustrated himself asking about it. The only time I ever seen that guy ask for advice on anything. Lol. I next flakes and make em chase personally. I take it as disrespect, even though they probably don't mean it that way. If they re open me after the flake I will just tell them straight up "I'm not really interested i…
/r/seduction22/07/17 03:08 PM
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The same look a dog gives you when he is hungry and it's dinner time. We used to call it the DDB....or doggy dinner bowl look. You will know it when you see it.
/r/seduction22/07/17 03:02 PM
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The only smart idea here is to next her IMO. You have oneitis. Oneitis is never good.
/r/seduction22/07/17 02:59 PM
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Others may disagree but my view on LMR is that it's almost always due to insufficient levels of comfort/rapport. A lot of people think it is arousal (lack of) related but I don't think that is the case. Girls know damn well when they come to your house sex is on your mind. You can get her so aroused that the low comfort level won't matter anymore caveman style like you said, but that is not possible with all women. Comfort/safety feelings are absolutely neccessary with a lot of women and there i…
/r/seduction22/07/17 02:57 PM
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I flirt with women I am not actually gaming or want to fuck all the time just because I like flirting. It's also good social proof that helps with women I am targeting. Ocassionally one of them will successfully tempt me into fucking. Everytime it worked, they always did it tactfully. Like sending me a text slong the lines of "You should come hang out, lets drink some wine and have some fun". They timed that kind of thing on nights they knew I was not working the next day. I had nothing better p…
/r/seduction22/07/17 02:46 PM
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Be friendly to them and show a genuine interest in talking to them. The rapport skills we use with women can be used to make aggressive males more docile and compliant with our goals. Your average "normie" for lack of a better term, they like cars and football, mma, shit like that. Find out what they like and build enough rapport talking about it to disintegrate any hostility they are throwing your way. Sometimes you should actually open guys you don't know. I remember an old old FR where this g…
/r/seduction22/07/17 02:36 PM
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Any particular reason you want to appear indifferent? Why aren't you just escalating?
/r/seduction22/07/17 02:24 PM
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Don't think "she needs to know I'm into her, she shouldn't be sure until you're actually escalating. I agree that is close to an ideal position to be in. What's going to be confusing for some here though is a lot of Seddit is straight direct and don't play the game at an indirect level at all. They often open with SOI's, give IOI's frequently enough. If you always open with stuff like "your cute, I wanted to come say hi".....they are going to be sure before you have an opportunity to escalate. I…
/r/seduction22/07/17 02:20 PM
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That's why I love this stuff. You never know when your skills are going to come in handy and you bag a qt 3.14 out of the blue
/r/seduction22/07/17 02:05 PM
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You should have been running kino on her from the get go. Did you touch her at all? If not, shame shame. She was at your house to watch a movie with and you didn't escalate? It would have been better to fuck up an escalation attempt than to not escalate at all. Not knowing any better does not make you an idiot btw. Don't beat yourself up and read up on kino escalation
/r/seduction22/07/17 02:01 PM
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When your a sedditor, they let you do it.
/r/seduction22/07/17 01:59 PM
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it might not be as uncommon as you think to try and try and never get any results. I never said THAT was uncommon. It's not because of looks though is my point. It's a fact that if you have a leak or something counter productive you do consistently and do not correct the problem.....you are not likely to improve much as long as the problem remains unsolved. People insisting it must be something other than their game ultimately only hurt themselves. If you consistently get bad results over a long…
/r/seduction22/07/17 01:49 PM
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Maybe. What state are you in and how many approaches are under your belt?
/r/seduction22/07/17 01:38 PM
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No, wasn't talking about Tyler. I am talking regular non industry guys in general. Lots can do it. Over 95% of PUAs have no interest in being involved in the business part of this and are only in it to get better with women. If you spend a lot of time out in the field doing this yourself, you will run into a lot of ugly guys doing it well over time. It's not a rare thing. Most PUA's are not filming themselves and posting it on the internet. Only industry guys do that. These industry videos are n…
/r/seduction22/07/17 01:28 PM
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Na, no alcohol needed. A lot of these guys do day game and don't even sarge clubs. it happens, but its not the rule. It is the rule. Once again, the problem is guys not even trying to develop their game and putting the work in. They just blame it on their looks and give up. Effort and self improvement is what seperates the ugly guys who get a lot of beautiful women from the ones who don't even get laid. A lot of good looking guys are sexless too mind you. Their game is whack is why. I have seen …
/r/seduction21/07/17 10:29 PM
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Looks help. We agree on that. They don't matter alot though, this is known and proven. it wont happen to you if you obtain his game level Yes it will. Most guys just don't want to put in the work to get their game to that level. Getting good game from absolutely none is not a cakewalk though. It takes a lot of hard work.
/r/seduction21/07/17 10:20 PM
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There isn't any need to buy anything from anybody. All the information guys need to get what they want is freely available. Below average looking guys can learn the skills to seduce perfect 10's. It happens all the time. That's a fact. The industry itself though, ya, most of it sucks.
/r/seduction21/07/17 10:16 PM
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Nope, I would be a lesbian.
/r/seduction21/07/17 10:12 PM
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Who said anything about industry videos? You do realize over 90% of us are not involved in the industry, yes? Lots of people on seddit can personally do what i said and any PUA that has been involved in going out and doing approaches for any length of time has either done it themselves or seen it. That's why what your trying to argue is so ridiculous. It's not even remotely questionable amongst ourselves. I agree that the industry itself is cancer though. Half of them aren't even seduction commu…
/r/seduction21/07/17 10:09 PM
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Bra, tons of PUA's aren't good looking and can snatch a 10 straight out of a model tier body builders set. Happens literally all the time. Lol. In fact, there is a whole set of tehniques for exactly those kinds of situations. It's called Amogging
/r/seduction21/07/17 10:00 PM
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if a 8/10 and a 5/10 want the same girl, regardless of "game" the 8/10 will score 100% of the time. Completely and utterly false.
/r/seduction21/07/17 09:53 PM
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Read the sticky. There isn't any argument for "you need looks to be good at this". That has been completely and thoroughly debunked. Looks do HELP obviously. But to claim they are neccessary or prevent anybody from getting success is pure and utter lunacy.
/r/seduction21/07/17 09:43 PM
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No it hasn't Yes it has. Been proven way more than once. Read the sticky. This is common, basic knowledge. People sticking their fingers in their ears going "la la la, can't hear you" doesn't negate reality
/r/seduction21/07/17 09:41 PM
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Oh I see...seddit is your ONLY exposure. That explains things. I gotchu on a link. Masf was THE gathering place when the community was in it's infancy. Those were the pioneers that figured it all out, including settling the looks debate http://www.masf20.com/masf-archive.html It is not a complete archive but it is the best we have. It started in America and soon became an international movement. As far as the RSD as a business goes, I don't recommend you buy anything. Their forums are free and t…
/r/seduction21/07/17 09:27 PM
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A lot of these ugly guys I am talking about were serial virgins. No luck at all. They didnt have anything inherently attractive about them before hand. Attraction isn't solely based on looks with women. Those guys proved it. You can develop as a person and be attractive based on other merits. You can be physically unappealing and compete with extremely goodnlooking guys. We are very lucky in this regard as guys. Women are not so lucky. But if I misunderstood and you're talking about a large stud…
/r/seduction21/07/17 08:16 PM
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I think it's because we are so results oriented that we think " if x result does not happen it's going to be so terrible. I will feel like shit and be so embarrased". The usual explanation from the community is that it is a left over conditioning from when we were more tribal as a species where fucking up an approach could literally get you killed or exiled if you over stepped. It's all just theory though, I don't think anybody ever proved why it happens. I almost entiely eliminated it by changi…
/r/seduction21/07/17 08:04 PM
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Had a few girls say (not to me, cuz they have no idea) that guys who read books on pick-up are "sad". They may "say" that but they sing a different tune when your dick is in their mouth. Lol. In all seriousness though, no need to volunteer the info but if they ask, yea don't deny it. It doesn't hurt any You may get a few shit tests over it but those aren't a bad thing. You get them anyhow
/r/seduction21/07/17 07:58 PM
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Well I think you should understand that some men aren't very good looking to begin with and aren't really considered attractive by women I understand that you can be visually unappealing but that is not why bad looking guys have problems. It is because their social skills are shit, they blame all their failures on their looks and refuse to even try to improve themselves and develop attractive personalities. This is VERY well understood. I'm shocked so many people need to be told this. Especially…
/r/seduction21/07/17 07:48 PM
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Well you have to meet women's minimum standards if you want them to talk to you back No you don't. A conversation is just a conversation and women love to yap. You can start building attraction after you open. It doesn't have to be there at the start and is not needed at all to have a conversation by itself. It often isn't there at first. Girls are not as visually wired as we are. tested and proven with one guy isn't really applicable to all other men. The whole community proved that over 10 yea…
/r/seduction21/07/17 07:43 PM
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I know about peoples opinions on looks It's not an opinion I'm talking about though, it's a fact. It's been demonstratably proven many times over. Not that looks aren't good to have but extremely ugly guys do get good game and slay it. I do agree that there are locale differences. Sarging on the west coast vs east coast of America has it's differences but the basic underlying structure is the same. I personally seen juggler slay it in the UK once and we had a shitload of Aussies get good at it i…
/r/seduction21/07/17 06:48 PM
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Yep, I agree 100%. Just tell her flat out you are going to start seeing other people and don't want to be committed. Don't let her talk you out of it if she tries either. cold approaching isn't a real thing Yea it is, guys sarge in Europe all the time. It works just as well in Europe as here. Works in Japan too. Women are women everywhere and respond to the same things generally. Unless your sarging a muslim girl dressed up in a trashbag in Qatar it's no different
/r/seduction21/07/17 05:44 PM
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I would react the exact same way he did. I would drop it totally and just respond only while focusing my more aggressive energy on other ladies in the mean time. I did used to have a huge problem coming on too strong and how he is handling you bringing it up is tactically correct IMO. I would probably reschedule the date to a later date too just for good measure if I were him. When you push too much, the only smart thing to do is pull instead IMO. It appears to be working well for him, otherwise…
/r/seduction21/07/17 05:36 PM
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A DHV is any behavior that demonstrates high value. Having a pic of you with your arms around a couple hotties on your fb page would be a DHV (social proof). Negging a 9 or 10 correctly is a DHV. Screening them, qualifying/false disqualifying them are both DHV's. Stories can be used to DHV but that stuff like "oh my super model ex gf wrecked my maserrati" type shit is actually a demonstration of lower value. Because they know you are full of shit trying to impress them. That is where guys fuck u…
/r/seduction21/07/17 05:25 PM
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Red needs to get his ass on the internet and edumacate himself, step 1. Step 2.....actually approach girls and put what he reads on the internet into practical use Step 3....Fuck up and embarrasd himself a lot Step 4. Bow chica wow wow 😈
/r/seduction21/07/17 03:05 PM
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DHV as is tell stories about like, my ex model girlfriend and that sort of stuff? DHV just means "demonstration of higher value" or alternatively "demonstration of high value". Some guys use stories as a way to do it but that's not exclusively how it does. There are literally hundreds of ways to DHV, you can lace your entire game with them like landmines. You absolutely HAVE to DHV to regularly pull 9's or better. Even for some 8'S. When I say you may be inadvertantly DLVING, I mean demonstratin…
/r/seduction21/07/17 02:56 PM
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When it comes to emotions, it is always subjective. if I think that to escape my fears I would say that is probably the case. I have seen guys do similar things for similar reasons. Our brains are by default wired to go further to avoid pain than to seek pleasure. Which leads us to make up excuses that justifies avoiding certain situations. We have all done it in one form or another.
/r/seduction21/07/17 02:45 PM
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No mistake I can see. You were honest, she was honest....just wasn't mutually agreeable. There is nothing wrong with that.
/r/seduction21/07/17 02:43 PM
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It's just that I'm not good looking Na bra, it's not that. The looks question has been solved a long time ago. Ugly, even overweight guys have gotten to top tier game level. Physical unattractiveness is never an excuse. It's a leak. For sure. Finding out what it is, that's the problem. I had a particularly bad leak myself I didn't spot for years that was hurting me. It was a calibration problem in my case. If I had to guess with you, you are probably doing something that DLV's yourself....or not…
/r/seduction21/07/17 02:37 PM
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Basically I think it might help people to reframe the goals here. Agree 100%. Looking at this in the wrong frame of mind is what makes people such a nervous wreck and awkward in sets. That's purely mental though and not so much tactical
/r/seduction21/07/17 02:08 PM
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There ARE a lot of them designed to be used out of the blue. They are very out of style though. They work but everyone prefers to go direct these days.
/r/seduction21/07/17 01:56 PM
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NP, I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Situationals have a similar effect. Like if you see a girl with any piercings, be like hey did that nose piercing hurt when you got it done? It's all about a smoothe open without a verbal statement of interest. Completely different pacing than a direct open
/r/seduction21/07/17 01:51 PM
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Damn bro, props for the persistence but you have to have a serious leak in your game. Any idea what it is? You gotta plug that shit asap whatever it is.
/r/seduction21/07/17 01:46 PM
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Casual is fine. Just wearing clean clothes and looking normal is fine. Dressing up is unneccessary. Good personal hygeine and being well groomed is the important part of appearance. That being said, there is a whole subsection of the game that focuses on flair. I have seen people wear 10 watches on their arm, get a mowhawk, wear feather shit on their shoulders, goth themselves out, candy necklaces, lol. It's called peacock theory. I never tried it myself but I have seen it used to a person's adv…
/r/seduction21/07/17 01:43 PM
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You can have 0 friends and not be a social person, and get out there and learn this. No need to have a social circle to get started. However, to get really good you HAVE to eventually become a social person. Learning social skills and developing social IQ is what this stuff is all about
/r/seduction21/07/17 01:25 PM
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Well the big difference is that unlike riding a bike or playing an instrument you don't need to be pre qualified to do it, you can just start whenever you want. You don't need to be pre qualified to go up to a beautiful woman and start a conversation either. There is literally nothing stopping you. You can go anywhere in public where women are and do this right now. The guitar can't reject you and say no If you try to play Joe Satriani's songs right off the rip with no experience, you are going …
/r/seduction21/07/17 01:20 PM
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What did you do to get to where you are today? Approaching women and talking to them is the ONLY thing that works. Practice. No different than riding a bike or learning to play an instrument. Have to hands on engage in the activity and continually try to get better. There is no other way to improve. That is the same for everybody.
/r/seduction20/07/17 11:01 PM
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I don't advise carbon copying just any old opener or treating them like dogma. You can deviate from the script or modify it. Whatever makes you comfortable. A lot of the OG ones, like "me and my buddy need to settle a debate, who do you guys think lies more...men or women?" It actually was a great opener but it is widely known and over used. Dont recommend it. The only point of these is to get a conversation started in a comfortable way. That's it, and it does it very very well. Being as direct …
/r/seduction20/07/17 10:55 PM
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Unlike women, our attractiveness is variable. You can be a king one day and a sexless greg focker the next. Our physical looks matter but are not primarily what determines our value, the ladies are not that lucky. They pretty much either have it or they don't
/r/seduction20/07/17 10:25 PM
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They seem awkward reading about them with no experience, I get that. I started trying them when they first got traction in the early 2000's. They do work extremely well. I have to say, probably much better overall than direct openers. They don't feel awkward or give an awkward vibe once you are comfortable with them. Obviously if you are a nervous wreck and being a creeper they won't work too well, but that's an extreme that is true of any method of opening. They are also useful tools for becomi…
/r/seduction20/07/17 06:06 PM
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You can develop into someone you respect more. Seems you don't like yourself or have any self respect. Take an inventory and find out what you don't like. Once you know what the problems are you can fix them. Can't expect anyone else to respect or value you if you don't respect or value yourself. I think you are being too hard on yourself. No one can control their genetics.but you can have a good measure of control over practically everything else
/r/seduction20/07/17 06:01 PM
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Never volunteer info on it until asked is my motto....only exception is, if they are about to sleep with me and are starry eyed. I'll just let them know "Just so you know, I'm not a committed relationship kind of person" More honorable to say so before than after, just in case she had some crazy romance fantasy blossoming in her mind or something. The reason I don't volunteer it is, I used to but would time disclosure wrong and say it too early in the set....fuck up the vibe, etc. Maybe there is…
/r/seduction19/07/17 10:34 PM
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I've never had sex, but at the same time I'm pretty sure I'm not missing much. I get the same end result from porn. Porn is not remotely the same. No eye contact, no emotional intimacy, no communication. A lot of healthy things that are present in a normal sex life. I have to ask the question, for some of us, is this just a waste of time? For some of us who just creep out/scare the shit out of any women they meet? All the guys that pioneered this stuff back in the day went through the same shit.…
/r/seduction19/07/17 10:16 PM
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You are welcome. I am 100% sure your mindset works for you. A lot of ways to skin this particular cat. Indirect is a lot more tactical than I think you realize though. It goes far beyond mere tonality. This right here for example indirect with a 9 or 10 from most guys will come off in some sort of pedestalizing way (buy flowers, dinner, house, promise her the world, be gentle to her, etc). I'm going to ignore the examples there as that has never been things indirect guys recommended you do and j…
/r/seduction19/07/17 09:54 PM
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This. Ive fucked up a lot of sets being too aggressive. Backing off sometimes allows you to salvage it later but aside from that....there isn't a way to recover that I know of. If you overplay your hand too much, you can't take the chips back out of the pot. Better to not overdo it to begin with IMO
/r/seduction19/07/17 05:54 PM
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I'm interested that there are even still NLP guys around. I thought the NLPers stopped and assimilated a long time ago. People are still running patterns and things, no shit? Anybody doing it that ISN'T trying to sell something? I field tested it when it was popular. It worked but it just wasn't congruent with me and I didn't enjoy doing it. I thought it was a dead art. Apparently not
/r/seduction19/07/17 05:50 PM
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Mentioning race != insecurity you know. Race matters when it comes to PU. Always has.
/r/seduction19/07/17 05:33 PM
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Is it OK to not be a widespread flirter and trying to focus on just a couple of women? Why you asking us that? You are the only one that can decide what your goals are. That being said, I think you would be missing out on a lot of fun and are robbing yourself of greater things. I mean, you CAN have way more than one girl that fits all your criteria there. Doesn't even have to involve sleeping around. Why limit yourself to just one? If you are hellbent on only getting one LTR though and you legit…
/r/seduction19/07/17 05:26 PM
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Gotta totally disagree with you here OP. Both the title and this but you can't start indirect and then go direct. That's objectively not true. successfully attracting an elite female with indirect game is the most prestigious seduction. It's arguably easier to go indirect on 9's and 10's. Pretty much every single opener we were using back in the day was indirect. So were over half of the routine stacks built for in set usage. Direct wasn't really popular at all back then, nothing like it is now.…
/r/seduction19/07/17 04:50 PM
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I know a guy who used to teach the disadvantaged how to pick up and have relationships. He saved a literal 40 year old virgin. You are fine bro. Not to mention, guys can keep full value up until about 55.
/r/seduction16/07/17 10:24 PM
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Do you, guys, think I should tell her what I feel? If you just want her to know and don't care about any outcome other than that.....ya of course. If you want to game her though just formulate the best strategy you can think of, whatever that may be....be it direct or indirect and put it into motion. Just blurting your feelings out often isn't the best strategy if you are trying to have the highest probability of a relationship though
/r/seduction16/07/17 10:16 PM
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Not all rejections mean you fucked up. You said the kiss didnt feel right....she said it just didnt feel right basicay. You just weren't vibing. Not neccessarily a mistake made. Sure anyone can nitpick in hindsight but I think your generally ok here. Props to her for being honest with you though. Not all sets close, not even for rockstars...and none of us are rockstar tier social status anyway so don't worry about it
/r/seduction16/07/17 12:02 AM
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If you are going to ask her out and you go to class with her....do it in person. You don't have to over dramatize your interest either. Just be like "Hey lets get coffee, on me". If she says no it's super low investment and if she has something else to do just say "raincheck then" or something. There is a tendency for people to be too direct when it isn't neccessary when first learning is why I offered that snippet. You are going to be flirting with her when you go anyway, it makes no difference…
/r/seduction15/07/17 10:58 PM
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In my experience, it's better not to call it out. Nonverbal is better all around for Kino IMO.This is a little bit off topic but still IOI related. You can induce IOI's like that too sometimes. Hopefully you guys are screening. If so, take a quality you appreciate about women and be like. "I really like sweethearts. I don't normally click well with girls who give off a cold vibe" in a conversation about relationships for example. Almost always, even if they don't have the quality you like....to …
/r/seduction15/07/17 09:47 PM
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