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False AccusationsLightfiend/r/MensRights25/06/14 03:35 PM
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DiscussionLightfiend/r/MensRights28/07/14 11:47 AM
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DiscriminationLightfiend/r/MensRights01/08/14 01:47 PM
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Red Pill TheoryLightfiend/r/TheRedPill04/09/14 02:54 PM
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Men's Rights NewsLightfiend/r/MensRights11/05/14 06:00 PM
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Lightfiend/r/MensRights13/02/13 08:36 PM
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Blogs/VideoLightfiend/r/MensRights22/06/14 03:46 PM
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AnalysisLightfiend/r/MensRights20/02/15 03:16 PM
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Raising AwarenessLightfiend/r/MensRights19/08/14 03:03 PM
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Legal RightsLightfiend/r/MensRights25/04/15 02:16 PM
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OpinionLightfiend/r/MensRights29/01/15 02:45 PM
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Edu./Occu.Lightfiend/r/MensRights05/04/18 06:20 PM
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Lightfiend/r/MensRights07/11/13 03:27 PM
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GeneralLightfiend/r/MensRights01/07/15 04:08 PM
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AnalysisLightfiend/r/MensRights20/07/14 12:57 PM
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Outer GameLightfiend/r/seduction17/02/13 03:40 PM
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I feel bad for young men that get persuaded by stuff like this.
/r/TheRedPill07/12/22 12:19 PM
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You guys aren't interested in research?
/r/seduction09/06/20 11:44 AM
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Find a mixture of both "dark" and "light" traits - being dynamic adds mystery and shows depth of character.
/r/seduction06/10/17 05:38 PM
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A general rule with any body language tip: if it looks forced, it's going to look stupid.
/r/seduction21/09/17 07:57 PM
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alpha af
/r/seduction21/09/17 07:56 PM
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This was my intuition too. I wonder if there are any studies that show the opposite of OP.
/r/seduction19/12/16 05:19 PM
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Yep.
/r/seduction17/11/16 03:17 PM
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This also applies to dating apps like OkCupid or Tinder. Don't get caught in the "online world." Bring the relationship into meatspace and make it feel more real.
/r/seduction17/11/16 12:31 AM
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As someone who used to have a lot of approach anxiety, I've done this before: think of one opening line, then try it out as many times as I can in one night. I really didn't care about going anywhere else with the interaction, I just wanted to overcome my fear of people. For that purpose, it worked - though I did get some weird stares and reactions when people realized what I was doing. We are all at different points in our path of self improvement. Sometimes you just have to power through that …
/r/seduction18/10/16 03:01 PM
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I understand Japan, but I always thought Italy was pretty open about smiling, flirting, and generally being extraverted?
/r/seduction27/10/15 09:27 PM
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Citation please? I know evolutionary psychology gets a bad rep in certain circles (mostly feminists), but never seen anything particularly about this journal.
/r/seduction27/10/15 09:09 PM
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Yes, recognizing that something can have an influence on social perception means it is literally the answer to everything.
/r/seduction27/10/15 05:03 PM
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He also has this excellent article: Is There Anything Good About Men?
/r/TheRedPill19/05/15 01:29 PM
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When it comes to red flags like this, it's really important to follow your gut sooner than later. The more time you spend with someone, the more you're going to try to rationalize those red flags. Pay attention to them early and get out early. It's not worth the risk. Congrats for following your gut.
/r/seduction21/03/15 01:00 PM
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I'm just sharing because I think it's worth seeing, not because I agree with it all. I think Kimmel identifies a lot of note-worthy trends, though his analysis and prescription are a little suspect to me. Also, too many anecdotes and cute jokes between the statistics.
/r/MensRights02/03/15 06:42 PM
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Exactly. It really shows that the weight of the evidence changes depending on how well it fits the narrative.
/r/MensRights25/02/15 02:41 PM
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Yeah, if this is a mistake that a lot of people are making, is it really hard to think of a better solution than standing there telling people to back out? Make a sign at the very least.
/r/MensRights22/02/15 02:27 PM
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You say "ignore everything"...but then you mention 3 signals of attraction ("prolonged eye contact," "smile," + "wants to spend more time with you.")
/r/seduction13/02/15 09:02 PM
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Full Study: The Verbal and Nonverbal Correlates of the Five Flirting Styles
/r/seduction13/02/15 04:57 PM
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I like Broad City and I thought the scene was funny. "You're raping rape culture!" I thought we were above feminists in the regard to getting upset at jokes. That being said, I do understand the hypocrisy. And it's an extremely weird headline, "There was a rape on Broad City and it was hilarious!"
/r/MensRights12/02/15 02:16 PM
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YOUR VAGINA IS NOT THAT BIG
/r/MensRights05/02/15 03:16 PM
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To be clear, I'm not crying over anything. And I don't think it's "oppression." I just think it's stupid, and the only reason MTA was probably pressured to post it at all was due to feminist hysteria. Normal people don't care.
/r/MensRights30/01/15 12:25 AM
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Honestly, I find the whole concept of "manspreading" to be petty. I've traveled in NYC trains and subways all my life, the worst it gets 99% of the time is some leg rubbing. It's never gotten to a point where I thought, "Someone really needs to fix this problem of all these people spreading their legs." Not a big deal to me. I have however had the thought, "Damn, I really wish people would stop putting their purses, backpacks, and shopping bags on the seat next to them." (on a crowded train) So …
/r/MensRights30/01/15 12:02 AM
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but I think it's a little less prejudice to suggest that sitting with your legs open is largely a man thing to do. Maybe, but women take up just as much space with pocketbooks, shopping bags, baby carriages, etc. Often times it's even more annoying than just a guy's leg rubbing up against mine. Would it have been too much to just have a gender neutral campaign about only taking up 1 seat without just focusing on "manspreading?"
/r/MensRights29/01/15 11:47 PM
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I got banned from /r/feminism and /r/askfeminists for sharing this post. Lol.
/r/MensRights29/01/15 08:23 PM
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Yes, the questions are exactly the same, and they are from the study, which is cited.
/r/seduction17/01/15 03:41 AM
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Just choose one at a time. Start with whichever feels the most natural to you, and keep it in the back of your mind. You don't have to force it into every conversation, but make it a goal for a day to weave it into at least one (or two). I would definitely not recommend reading these questions as a survey, unless you're playing a game or doing some "relationship building" with a significant other. Also, keep in mind, there IS a point in a conversation where you can just flat-out say, "Here's a r…
/r/seduction17/01/15 03:35 AM
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Yeah, it's also interesting how this is automatically seen as a "problem," and not just a simple difference in preference.
/r/RedPillWomen07/01/15 03:24 PM
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Recommended viewing indeed. From my experience, no one puts together a more cohesive argument against feminism than Straughan.
/r/MensRights05/01/15 06:02 PM
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Ha, I agree. In the beginning, he has that super animated Dane Cook type douchiness going on. I see how it works for him though. :)
/r/seduction10/11/14 07:55 PM
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My only real counters are — I THINK, and I may be wrong, I could be perfectly fine with killing someone to defend myself and especially to defend my child. For me personally, I imagine even if I was 100% justified in killing someone, I'd pay a pretty big psychological toll for it. Lets say I get jumped — am I supposed to wait until I am on death's door to start doing everything I can to escape the situation safe? No. And if someone is in an abusive relationship, and it gets violent — I am not ta…
/r/MensRights16/10/14 03:22 PM
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I understand the psychological difficulty of leaving an abuser, but I imagine it doesn't compare to the psychological difficulty of having to kill someone (especially, a mother/father of your own children). But to pretend a woman or a man should not have the option of killing in self defense is just not right. I didn't say that. Of course, they have the option if it is truly necessary. But it should be an absolute last resort, and I don't believe most people are being "forced" to make that last …
/r/MensRights16/10/14 02:43 PM
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Sure, but there is often a much simpler solution: stop staying with people who abuse you to the point where you have to kill them. These aren't one time instances. It's not like Johnny randomly decided to come home one day and start being a violent drunk - these things happen again and again and again and again before many victims do absolutely anything to protect themselves. Pay attention to the red flags and you don't have to put yourself in a situation where you need to kill someone in self-d…
/r/MensRights16/10/14 02:26 PM
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It's worse than this I'm afraid. In a recent thread on /r/freethought I essentially had this interaction: Feminist A: Yes, "check your privilege" is often used as an ad hominem, but it's mostly due to fatigue at stereotypical or common already dismissed arguments. Me: Okay, but that's no excuse. You don't educate people through ad hominems. If people need to be educated, then they need to be educated - not insulted or silenced or told their opinion just doesn't matter. Feminist A: It's not on fe…
/r/MensRights09/10/14 01:43 PM
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Um, it's purposely over-the-top and exaggerated. And yes, clearly a joke, whether you find it funny or not. Seriously, let's not fall into the feminist trap of being offended by literally everything.
/r/MensRights08/10/14 12:00 PM
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Pupils tend to dilate when you see something you like. That could be part of it.
/r/TheRedPill05/09/14 03:03 PM
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Any type of IOI is usually a good sign. The more, the better. Here's a helpful list I found: Active IOIs: *She reinitiates conversations when you stop talking *She giggles *She touches you *She tries to get rapport and build comfort with you *She looks back and glances at you repeatedly ever minute or so *She tosses her hair (to see if you will look) *If eye contact happens from a distance, she holds it for a second *She smiles at you *She stands nearby (proximity) *She interrupts your conversat…
/r/TheRedPill04/09/14 04:03 PM
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Unless it's a publication that has multiple authors with different points-of-view....
/r/MensRights04/09/14 01:59 AM
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A "fair and balanced" publication shouldn't be consistent.
/r/MensRights03/09/14 10:14 PM
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Although Christina self-identifies as a feminist, she is considered an anti-feminist and an MRA by the majority of her peers. That pretty much goes for anyone who doesn't 100% tow the feminist line: Warren Farrell, Camille Paglia, etc. You know a movement is dogmatic when they ostracize anyone that doesn't completely agree.
/r/MensRights03/09/14 10:12 PM
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SHE must sell to YOU. If this were true, then you only wait for girls to approach you? People don't usually go door-to-door asking to buy things, they go door-to-door asking to sell things. But I'm assuming most guys here don't wait for a girl to approach them. They do the approaching themselves. That means they are also the ones making the "pitch" - I'm not sure the use in denying that reality. That's the whole reason this reddit exists: we're guys trying to learn how to "sell ourselves" better…
/r/seduction20/08/14 07:51 PM
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People with high value don't need to demonstrate high value They do, they just don't do it consciously. It's natural for them. Intimacy is not a transaction Sure it is. All relationships are a form of exchanging value. There's nothing wrong with admitting this, all it means is: there are needs and wants that need to be met from both sides.
/r/seduction20/08/14 05:15 PM
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In many ways, including a lot of the advice you'll probably find on this reddit: Posture/tone/body language. Surround yourself with other "high value" people. Don't be afraid to speak your mind and share your opinion. Be confident in yourself internally. Have a passion in something. Anything. Don't let people walk all over you. Don't lower your standards. Don't seek any one specific person's approval of you. Take care of your health and fitness. Put some thought into your appearance and how you …
/r/seduction20/08/14 04:31 PM
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It's a mutual exchange. You need to demonstrate high value, but yes, you also need to demand high value too.
/r/seduction20/08/14 01:42 PM
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This isn't the first time I've seen some version of, "Man up - and stop perpetuating traditional gender roles." I guess "man up" is only an appropriate way to shame people into acting a certain way if it fits feminist values.
/r/MensRights04/08/14 04:32 PM
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Psychology is all that "tell me about your mother" bullshit. Might as well be a witch doctor for all the basis on actual science it has. And your knowledge of psychology is based on what - Hollywood movies? Clinical psychology is only one branch of psychology. You're completely forgetting cognitive psychology, social psychology, evolutionary psychology, developmental psychology and a whole range of research-based fields. "Talk about your mother" = psychoanalysis, which isn't even taken seriously…
/r/MensRights02/08/14 05:52 AM
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I wouldn't at all be surprised if this bias generalized to the rest of the population. I don't think it's particular to psychologists.
/r/MensRights01/08/14 02:37 PM
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What they did was compare the results of two surveys sent out to clinicians registered with the American Psychological Association, testing what the respondents considered to be 'psychological abuse'. For the first survey, they mailshotted 1000 people to test the 'husband-to-wife' version, and 45% responded. Then 9-12 months later, they mailshotted 1000 people to test the 'wife-to-husband' version, and 26% responded. Incidentally, the demographics of the responders were identical (56% male, medi…
/r/MensRights01/08/14 01:48 PM
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I think the main point was: don't worry if other people think you can be funny or not, just write material and show them what you got. Too much complaining, not enough doing.
/r/MensRights28/07/14 07:20 PM
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Agreed. This article is biased, however I think this study can be interpreted in an insightful way for both men and women. I hope some of us can look past the language here and see how having a "sense of entitlement" can hurt everyone.
/r/MensRights19/07/14 04:12 AM
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She approached me first. And generally I don't mind engaging with people who have different views than me, assuming they can be civil about it and not feel the need to shove their worldviews in my face.
/r/MensRights13/07/14 07:48 PM
-1

Actually this woman's profile explicitly stated it. Not that this type of over-reactive behavior is that uncommon to radical feminists though.
/r/MensRights12/07/14 10:21 PM
1

"Good genes" is so misleading. A gene is only "good" insofar as it is adaptable for a given environment and is thereby spread to the next generation. For example, if randomly women only became attracted to red haired people, then only genes associated with red hair would be adaptable in such a circumstance. Evolution doesn't care if a gene was adaptable thousands and thousands of years ago. That only explains how the gene got here, not how it will perform in the future. It only matters if a gene…
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 06:15 PM
1

She wants to hook up with guys that she feels all the other girls want because the other girls want them. Yeah because they look good. Look at Channing Tatum and other popular male icons they are attractive. Look at the criminal model guy, he was attractive. Not always, it could also be social proof, or a type of "bandwagon effect."
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 05:58 PM
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Fake being alpha? That sounds pretty beta. Is it so hard to just admit that some people learn how to be more confident, dominant, and attractive - and it's not just something that is prewritten in our genes? I'm pretty sure that's what we are all here for to begin with.
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 05:46 PM
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So TRP isn't about becoming more alpha, it's just about appearing more alpha? You don't think learned behavior matters at all in what makes someone actually "alpha" or not? The way I see it, someone can have really great genes and be a 10/10, but if they don't know how to lead, or have fun and make her laugh, or have any kind of social skills, they are going to get out-performed by guys who may only be 7/10 or 8/10, but actually have alpha behaviors. Genes are certainly important, but I think sa…
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 02:22 PM
2

TRP exists because we want to (1) correctly identify those traits and behaviors and (2) cultivate them, or accentuate them, or hell, just advertise them. Yes, ie - being alpha isn't just about having "good genes."
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 01:38 PM
-1

Being alpha means having the best genes. If this is the case, then why does TRP exist in the first place?
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 12:26 PM
17

You know, respecting the facts and not being a dick are not mutually exclusive.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 07:49 PM
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Most of the beliefs behind the MRM go against what society and culture commonly teaches us. You can't blame Brock for being a product of his environment, the same goes for most of us. How many people here only got into the MRM after being falsely accused of rape, or losing custody of their children, or having a friend who is a victim of suicide, or some way or another experiencing a men's rights issue? Most people need to have something happen to them personally to begin thinking critically abou…
/r/MensRights25/06/14 07:06 PM
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Definitely. I thought about this, but didn't want to give a specific number since I didn't have the statistics. I figured how I worded it would get the main point across. But I agree.
/r/MensRights21/06/14 02:02 PM
1

Everyone has their own boundaries, but I would say being a "slut" isn't necessarily about the quantity of people you sleep with, but how you approach sex. If someone just uses sex to get attention and be liked by people, that comes off kind of "slutty" to me. I believe people are more than just sex objects, so I expect them to act like it. (Given, I don't go around calling people "sluts," because no good comes from just insulting people. But I understand why some people could be considered "slut…
/r/MensRights20/06/14 06:39 PM
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Men have had all of (and still have most of) the power in society One of my "go to" responses to this: There's a big difference between "most men have all the power," and "the people in power are mostly men." The average man has no power. For every man you find in the "upper rings" of society (politicians, CEO, media, etc.), you are just as likely to find another man who is in the "lower rings" of society (homeless, drug abuse, suicide). That's my problem with the theory of "patriarchy." It only…
/r/MensRights20/06/14 01:35 PM
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"Slutty" doesn't mean "sex is fun." There's a big difference between enjoying sex and being reckless about it. In a similar vein, there's a difference between being an alcoholic and thinking "alcohol is fun."
/r/MensRights20/06/14 01:17 PM
2

Actually, they do say it's "300lb black man." Which makes sense, because a black man would definitely get a worse sentence than a black woman.
/r/MensRights18/05/14 02:56 PM
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Black man*
/r/MensRights17/05/14 09:10 PM
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For some context: 5.5% of men are in prison, compared to 1.1% women. 9.2% of blacks are in prison, compared to 2.2% whites. As a black person, you are 4.18 x more likely to be put in prison than a white person. And as a man, you are 5 x more likely to be put in prison than a woman. If the former is indicative of racism, certainly the latter is indicative of sexism. Source
/r/MensRights17/05/14 06:38 PM
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It's not just that prisons are over-populated with black men, it's also men in general. For example, half of black males, 40 percent of white males are arrested by age 23. And in controlled settings, defendant's gender affects length of sentence. If we're being consistent with our logic, prisons are both racist AND sexist. This hits black males especially hard, but white males are affected too.
/r/MensRights17/05/14 02:37 PM
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This was just a customer being an asshole. I've had customers call me names, and I never think "wow, they must be attacking me because of my gender" and then go blog about it. It's just assholes being assholes. This, please. Sometimes I worry MRA's are becoming too much like feminists - trying too hard to find victimization and reading every situation in terms of gender. Also, do we really need an equivalent to "slut shaming?" Some people are assholes and call other people names. It sucks, but i…
/r/MensRights16/05/14 09:39 PM
1

Sorry some idiot called you a name, but this really isn't related to /r/MensRights.
/r/MensRights16/05/14 08:41 PM
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The only way it's a good joke is if it's making fun of the feminist "men are all rapists" mentality.
/r/MensRights09/05/14 02:47 PM
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Also, she's a comedian. Reading the transcript really doesn't give enough context, it seems like she was telling a joke. EDIT: I just read the transcript. She talks about a guy falling asleep while eating her out. That's not coercion, that's just really sloppy sex.
/r/MensRights06/05/14 11:37 PM
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As a pretty staunch libertarian, I think the idea of either council is kind of ridiculous, but this is definitely proof of discrimination if I ever saw it. If there's a Council on Girls, then there's no real reason there shouldn't be a Council on Boys, unless you just flat-out believe that girls deserve to be helped and boys don't.
/r/MensRights06/05/14 12:46 PM
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My guy friend had the exact same experience working in an elementary school in Connecticut. Where are you located? I imagine these "unwritten rules" are very common.
/r/MensRights30/04/14 12:38 PM
4

This is such a trash post, sorry. Yes, anonymous feminazis being feminazis on Tumblr. Is there really any discussion to be had?
/r/MensRights29/04/14 01:11 PM
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Yeah, real feminists are much less explicit about their biases.
/r/MensRights29/04/14 01:09 PM
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I would also argue that it's not that feminists propagate the idea that women are the "nurturers," and thus should take care of the kids, but rather that men are "violent and horny pigs," and thus are unfit to take care of kids.
/r/MensRights23/04/14 07:51 PM
2

I think fedoras may have been a pick-up/seduction/red pill thing for awhile. But I personally don't know a single person who wears them.
/r/MensRights13/04/14 12:45 AM
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ThoughtCatalog is basically Tumblr blogs + nice click-bait headline. They can have both feminist and anti-feminist content as far as that goes, but usually it's more ranting than substance.
/r/MensRights13/04/14 12:43 AM
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That's true.
/r/MensRights07/04/14 11:34 PM
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Three of these do not apply to the infants they are proposing doing the procedure to (infants are not having unprotected sex and prostate cancer is virtually nonexistent in children), that immediately should be a massive red flag about this "study". I'm assuming they mean "future benefits" here, obviously.
/r/MensRights07/04/14 11:17 PM
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Yes, yes, yes --- plenty of men and women here don't fit stereotypical gender roles, most of us aren't traditionalists in any social sense. I certainly don't consider myself a "manly man" by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, the one thing we tend to agree with feminism on is the fact that stereotypes can hurt everyone. The key difference is we don't need the convoluted framework of "patriarchy" to make that observation.
/r/MensRights06/04/14 03:02 PM
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Of course, the discussion of boys and men isn't opposed in theory - it's just that feminists want to have the discussion in their own terms. As Naomi Wolf said herself (in the Karen Straughan debate), "men" are the next focus in feminism. We're already beginning to see this in the "Man Up!" campaign and "The Mask You Live In" documentary.
/r/MensRights01/04/14 07:16 PM
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No, bad sex is unwanted, its not coercion though. Most people here I think understand the difference.
/r/MensRights26/03/14 09:32 AM
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"Unwanted sexual experience" doesn't necessarily mean "coerced sex." It's just as likely these young boys consented to sex, but it was a bad experience in some way.
/r/MensRights25/03/14 11:50 PM
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Well, he does exclude feminism in the other part of the quote: "Jezebel is gender fascism. By not having any real critical facility to understand, in their case, men in relationship to women (presumably them) they opt to promote hate by imperialist blather. By couching it in feminism is a distinct lack of class, but i'm sure they're having a bit of online fun and when they grow up maybe they'll glean the complexities of real life and love." That being said, Moore probably underestimates just how…
/r/MensRights08/03/14 12:10 AM
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He's really involved in the local scenes too. I remember being at some experimental/noise show and I turn around and think, "Oh, that's Thurston Moore standing next to me. Shit."
/r/MensRights07/03/14 09:20 PM
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I think he means "critical faculty." Some of the particular choices in words are odd to me, but I agree with the general message of the statement.
/r/MensRights07/03/14 06:52 PM
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I was pleasantly surprised to see Jeffrey Tucker in the audience. He's a great libertarian, although he does mingle a little too much with left libertarian feminist sometimes. What motivated him to call you an irrational person that first night? I'm glad you got him to come around a little bit: is there a link to the interview he did with you? A quick Google search didn't result in anything. Thanks for what you do. The libertarian movement needs you.
/r/MensRights28/02/14 03:52 PM
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Agreed, I thought Karen held her own, but probably didn't do her best. She focused too much on specific examples, and should've attacked the crux of feminist ideology, which is the real problem - not activist group A or activist group B. But that's okay, as she gets more experience with this kind of live forum I'm sure she'll improve a lot. Naomi was also great at ending her points with, "It's not a man or woman thing, we just all live together and need to make the world a better place." It may …
/r/MensRights28/02/14 03:24 PM
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This was interesting, I'd definitely love to see the whole thing. "Free State Project" - libertarian event, I'm assuming? This probably means Karen had an edge the whole night. And the one guest talking about individualism seems to confirm that. Anyway, I'm actually glad to see this conversation happening in a libertarian setting - feminism has been slowly gaining ground among some circles of libertarianism, and we really need a counter-weight before it turns the whole movement into identity pol…
/r/MensRights24/02/14 05:31 PM
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In other words, people have physical preferences when it comes to attraction.
/r/MensRights12/02/14 05:41 PM
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Evolutionary psychology supposedly predicts that people will seek same-height sexual partners. "Similarity is overwhelmingly the rule", whatever that means. But in real life, people seek different-height sexual partners. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, evolutionary psychology. Huh? Yes, the similarity-attraction effect is strong - but I wasn't aware it was ever described on the basis of height. More likely factors that align with the similarity-attraction effect are: religion, nationality, r…
/r/MensRights12/02/14 04:05 PM
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Also, the results mentioned in the article are vague. Men who had the door held open for them scored 'lower'. All of them lower than the rest? Most? On average? How much lower? A lot? A little? A negligible amount? This almost always means "on average." But you're right that we really need to look at the full study to get the details. Who holds the door I think is particularly important. I doubt we'd see the same effect if it was a doorman or a limo driver.
/r/MensRights12/02/14 01:37 PM
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There's other subs for pointing out "PC gone crazy" kind of stuff. Do you have any good recommendations? I know of /r/TheRedPill, /r/SJSucks, and /r/TumblrinAction but they are all a little too circle-jerky for my tastes.
/r/MensRights05/02/14 12:41 AM
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I like plenty of women and minority comedians, but I agree that most appeals to "diversity" are completely superficial. All I care about is if you're funny.
/r/MensRights04/02/14 06:10 PM
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Sorry to ask, maybe I'm missing something, but what's the men's rights context here? Honestly, I notice a lot of stuff on here isn't directly related to men's rights. But that's actually okay with me, because there aren't many other places to talk about gender and social issues that aren't dogmatically feminist.
/r/MensRights04/02/14 06:08 PM
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The main reason why I see the theory of patriarchy as fundamentally flawed: there's a difference between "men have the power" and "the people who have the power are men." In fact you're just as likely to see men overrepresented in the lowest ranks of society (drug abuse, homelessness, suicide) as they are overrepresented in the highest ranks of society (politicians, CEO's).
/r/MensRights30/01/14 02:12 PM
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Yeah, as someone who originally shared this article on /r/psychology and a frequenter of /r/MensRights this headline is reactionary bullshit. I'm going to have stop coming here if we develop the same kind of "victim complex" as feminists.
/r/MensRights29/01/14 02:02 PM
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This doesn't hold true from my experience. I don't even go to Tumblr, and I've seen the "Men are..." / "Women are..." screenshots in numerous feminist-based articles, especially recently. I also can't recall any feminists saying it was crap evidence, most found it very convincing of prevailing attitudes of sexism.
/r/MensRights25/01/14 03:37 PM
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I'm not missing the point, that's why I phrased the headline as a question. I actually agree that auto completes aren't necessarily telling of what people believe. My point is the hypocrisy.
/r/MensRights25/01/14 01:46 PM
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You can definitely argue a difference in scale, but if one is evidence of sexism certainly the other is too. Tumblr is still in the top 30 most visited sites of the internet.
/r/MensRights25/01/14 12:28 AM
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It's not even a lie popular among just feminists, it's pretty much accepted fact among most people I talk to.
/r/MensRights17/01/14 03:32 PM
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But the thing is, you make them hunt rather than doing their homework for them. They might learn something that way. We're not their puppets to do their work for them. I get the whole "burden of proof" thing, it's logically sound, but rhetorically I think it would be much more powerful to have research to actually cite against the "women get paid 70 cents for every dollar" claim when it comes up.
/r/MensRights14/01/14 12:39 AM
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Are there really no studies with statistical breakdowns of the gender pay gap in terms of different representations of men-women in more specialized/higher paying jobs within certain professions ("doctors," "teachers," etc.)? I swear I've heard this type of research referred to in various MR contexts. Certainly it's not that difficult to gather such research?
/r/MensRights14/01/14 12:32 AM
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That may sound logical but it doesn't answer my question.
/r/MensRights14/01/14 12:22 AM
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I understand this, hence my question asks for "good studies that explain away..." I thought there was good research out there that breaks down all the statistics based on more specific job descriptions? For example, male doctors make more than female doctors, but male doctors tend to be surgeons and more specialized jobs. Warren Farrel mentions some of this research in his speech at UoT. I feel like your response is some mixture of playing dumb or playing semantics, and it doesn't answer my ques…
/r/MensRights14/01/14 12:21 AM
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It's nice to see a feminist* that understands gender roles.
/r/TheRedPill30/12/13 10:20 PM
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That's another thing too. The word "feminist" is and always will be gynocentric in perspective. You would think "egalitarian" would be preferred specifically because of its neutrality. Or "humanist?" (I know a lot of feminists will probably say there's a lot of overlap among all 3 terms, but the latter 2 seem way more friendly from a layman's point of view. If you can get across the same message with easier to swallow words, why would you refuse to use them, unless there's a purely ideological m…
/r/MensRights26/12/13 06:55 PM
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And backwards rationalization.
/r/MensRights14/12/13 04:10 PM
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There might be a few exceptions to the rule around the place, but you can't change genetics and biology. Sure you can. Height is an important factor in attraction, and certainly it's biologically driven, but it's not even close to the only factor. It's possible to overcome that resistance with the right personality (or, if you want to be shallow about it - money and fame can overcome that factor too).
/r/MensRights10/12/13 01:37 PM
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Create a short list of known specific male issues and concentrate on the facts about each item on the list. Don't make a long list. But do have plenty of facts and sources for each item on your list. This is great advice. Having 3 super strong points is going to look better than 8-10 half-assed points. Choose some of the bigger issues facing men, maybe: suicide, child custody, death at work - then overload each point with statistics and evidence.
/r/MensRights08/12/13 01:28 PM
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Really, a random google search? Doesn't include the word "feminism" at all Most of the results are just women's defense classes being listed. The second result is actually an academic article about The Roots of Resistance to Women's Self Defense and actually talks about how some people view it as "blaming the victim." People need to seriously stop using Google searches as proof of anything. It's obnoxious.
/r/MensRights07/12/13 03:16 PM
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if that happens again you can always show them that self defense classes have for a long time being advocated by feminist groups without being considered victim blaming. Show me first.
/r/MensRights07/12/13 03:07 PM
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Well I guess all of those times me being called a victim blamer for suggesting the importance of preventative measures was just fake feminists telling me that. And all of that rhetoric I hear about "men should just stop raping" is in my head.
/r/MensRights07/12/13 02:57 PM
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You're right, it's not "rape apology" - it's "victim blaming." Why should women have to learn self-defense? We should just tell rapists to stop raping.
/r/MensRights07/12/13 02:48 PM
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I'm friends with Ross on Facebook, apparently he got ambushed by some of the audience after the show and had to be escorted to his hotel by security. FB Screenshot
/r/MensRights06/12/13 01:59 AM
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Perhaps you were pining for a show of male stoicism. Everyone has emotions, but there's a balance. I take personal pride in being able to discuss emotional issues without being too flustered, but that's my preference. It doesn't mean I deny my emotions, but they have to be managed. If not for the sake of health, for the sake of rhetoric. Emotional overreactivity is part of what turns me off from feminism too. I understand a lot of people have gone through fucked up shit, and I understand where t…
/r/MensRights05/12/13 07:23 PM
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Interesting, I didn't know this existed...Ross Jeffries was one of my first experiences actually thinking about relationship dynamics. I was introduced to his work through a friend after I suffered a nasty breakup and was becoming really frustrated with girls. My philosophy has grown a lot since learning PU but I'm still thankful for being introduced to that conversation - because it did get me to question a lot of relationship myths that permeate our culture. The disconnect between "what people…
/r/MensRights05/12/13 04:54 PM
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Everyone knows white people can't be racist against other whites, just like black people can't be racist against other blacks.
/r/MensRights02/12/13 09:54 PM
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And she doesn't avoid sharing her thoughts just to be politically correct, which is a breath of fresh air.
/r/MensRights24/11/13 02:50 PM
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If we’re more likely to listen to white straight rich men before we listen to our actual sisters, something is rotten in the state of feminism. I hate this way of thinking.
/r/MensRights12/11/13 01:06 PM
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Feminism - where words mean whatever you want them to mean exactly when you need them to
/r/MensRights12/11/13 01:03 PM
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TL;DR: Shut up. Do a lot of listening. Only speak if you agree. Don't question the dogma.
/r/MensRights07/11/13 12:20 PM
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"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Gandhi
/r/MensRights05/11/13 01:41 AM
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First, you're missing the point. What does "men built everything!" have to do with defending men's issues? It's just some bullshit men vs. women rhetoric that undermines talking about the specific issues we should be focusing on. It's unnecessarily antagonistic and it turns people off. Second, plenty of people here have already provided extensive lists of women scientists, engineers, architects, and whatever. Then someone else just replies "but men clearly did more!" There's no counter empirical…
/r/MensRights03/11/13 08:34 PM
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It's from here. I was hoping it was a troll account when I first saw this particular post, but it seems pretty serious.
/r/MensRights03/11/13 02:37 PM
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Why is it a flaw? The study is simply stating "young single childless women earn more than men" - that isn't wrong by itself - given, there are factors that explain why this is actually the case. I think the key difference is feminists see the wage gap and cry discrimination - while most of us here (not all) understand there are other factors that create wage gaps besides just simple discrimination.
/r/MensRights28/10/13 01:39 PM
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And it's existed even longer than that. If I recall correctly, Sowell mentions a similar finding in some interview in the 80s. These facts have been conveniently glossed over for years in regards to the "gender wage gap."
/r/MensRights28/10/13 03:39 AM
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It's true, I've seen a lot less "fewers" than usual.
/r/MensRights19/10/13 03:04 PM
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It is if your mirror is meant to poke fun at their own irrationalities. It's no different than everyone here who does "gender reversals" to point out hypocrisy.
/r/MensRights19/10/13 03:03 PM
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Then clarify. How is what I'm saying that different from: The theory suggests that—and seeks to examine how—various biological, social and cultural categories such as gender, race, class, ability, sexual orientation, species, and other axes of identity interact on multiple and often simultaneous levels, contributing to systematic injustice and social inequality. I'll admit that I'm deviating away from how it is typically practiced by feminists, but I think my interpretation is still valid under …
/r/MensRights20/09/13 06:29 PM
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I'm using the core concept, I'm just extending it to include more complexity and nuance. I think it's more of an individualistic approach - everyone has certain traits that won't fit a desired stereotype, therefore everyone could be considered "systematically oppressed" in some way.
/r/MensRights20/09/13 05:33 PM
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I'm not a feminist. I'm just talking about a feminist concept that I believe, at its full implications, is contradictory to the core of feminism ("patriarchy").
/r/MensRights20/09/13 04:49 PM
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I'm definitely not thinking of "intersectionality" as a feminist would. I'm using intersectionality to justify that "every individual has the potential to be oppressed in a certain context." I am definitely not interested in any "hierarchy of sympathy" nor am I looking for a more elaborate "oppression olympics."
/r/MensRights20/09/13 04:41 PM
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I've heard that term used by feminists before, but haven't looked it up until now. According to Wikipedia, it's "an intersectional extension of the idea of patriarchy," but that doesn't mean that all intersectionalist theory has to be Kyriarchy, right? It appears feminists have taken the intersectionality theory to only encompass other "traditionally" oppressed groups: sex, race, economic status, nationality, or whatever. But I'm actually trying to think of "intersectionality" from a more indivi…
/r/MensRights20/09/13 02:36 PM
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It's "new" in the sense that the full scope of intersectionality has barely been scratched, especially when you consider how influential unconscious cues are in our psychology, and how implicit many of our beliefs are about other people. I'm sure there are many forms of discrimination that are prevalent throughout our society that most of us are completely unaware of.
/r/MensRights20/09/13 01:13 PM
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According to this report of the same study, "women are less tolerant of corrupt behavior, but only in democratic governments, where appropriating public policy for private gain is typically punished by voters and courts."
/r/MensRights16/09/13 05:50 PM
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It's a catch 22. On one hand, feminists want to eliminate gender roles. On the other hand, they depend on the existence of those gender roles to prove the legitimacy of feminism. It reminds me of this: "The humanitarian in theory is the terrorist in action." - Isabel Paterson
/r/MensRights03/09/13 02:51 PM
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Seriously, a lot of these are just subtle forms of "Girl power!" You're not saying anything. If you want to be a strong person, just do it, the more you feel like you have to "announce" it the weaker you're actually perceived by others. The strongest women I know are too busy being awesome to even think about feminism.
/r/TheRedPill31/08/13 01:56 PM
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Research flawed, move along, nothing to see here. Amazing how you did that without actually discussing the research. I mean there are plenty of flaws with the study (self-report methodology being the most obvious), but instead you just discussed your conspiracy theory that the study must be funded by propagandists. Just as males evolved physical power, females evolved psychological power; deceit and manipulation are second nature to them. They cheat just as often, they simply aren't caught as of…
/r/MensRights29/08/13 06:20 PM
1

Just out of curiosity (and ignorance), what don't you like about her gender theories?
/r/MensRights22/08/13 07:03 PM
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For 1 and 2, you could easily say the same for something like Chat Roulette. The fact remains it's still an uninvited picture of your genitals.
/r/MensRights22/08/13 01:37 PM
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When feminists do it, it's them being sex positive. When anyone else does it, it's sexual objectification.
/r/MensRights22/08/13 12:10 PM
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Let's see here: Stay inside the air conditioned building, and chase rugrats around vs. being outside in the elements doing heavy lifting with dangerous materials. The point isn't whether or not one job is "easier" than another, the point is what is the value of that job in the marketplace?
/r/MensRights20/08/13 07:05 PM
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I don't notice this sub having nearly as much of a victim mentality as feminists. MRA's are typically way less interested in playing "oppression olympics" and "who has it worse." Most of us started out as feminists because we are genuinely interested in women's rights, and we only became MRA's because we felt the other half of the story needs to be told too. Also, MRA's tend to be more open to explanations that "men and women have both evolved to fulfill certain social roles that at the time ben…
/r/MensRights19/08/13 10:27 PM
2

Silence isn't consent, it's also not NOT consent - it depends on context and nonverbal cues.
/r/MensRights11/08/13 12:54 PM
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This is true, but it can still be taken to an unhealthy extreme: Body image concerns more men than women, research finds.
/r/MensRights11/08/13 12:10 AM
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There's not a big fundamental difference really. Social feminists are just puppets of academic theory. They take a few gender classes, learn all the rhetoric: "patriarchy," "male privilege," "rape culture," - they just happen to post about it on Tumblr and Facebook rather than in academic journals.
/r/MensRights10/08/13 08:35 PM
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There's a lot more to feminism than "women's rights." So, no, not really.
/r/MensRights10/08/13 08:32 PM
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Unfortunately, most MRAs here are, as you say, into the "Oppression Olympics", and treat Feminism like a swear word. From my experience, feminists are much more about "oppression olympics" than MRAs. That's what brought me here in the first place. Like many people here, I was first drawn to feminism because it claimed to be interested in gender equality for both men and women. But when you actually see men's issues brought up in a feminist forum, they are quickly shot down as a joke ("Yeah, men …
/r/MensRights10/08/13 08:26 PM
12

Historically, that second kind of power was held by a small group of people at the top, and they were all men. Currently, they're mostly men. Still, there's a difference between "men have the power" and "the people who have the power are men." This is so crucial.
/r/MensRights07/08/13 01:00 PM
9

It's hard to argue with someone when they literally define words to fit their narrative and nothing else.
/r/MensRights29/07/13 01:27 PM
5

Oppressed or not, you can't adequately fight oppression by taking on the mindset of your "oppressor." Just because Group A has done X to Group B for hundreds of years doesn't mean that it's now OK for Group B to do X to Group A. What's wrong is wrong regardless. Unfortunately, feminists and social justice warriors aren't interested in leaving that narrative, and often times they exacerbate the exact social issues they intend to eliminate by keeping this "Get back at them!" mindset.
/r/MensRights29/07/13 01:21 PM
14

I need feminism because I'm a man who needs to save himself from himself.
/r/MensRights28/07/13 04:22 PM
6

Yeah, but he's a white male so what could he possibly know about race, gender, or oppression.
/r/MensRights26/07/13 02:39 PM
1

I'm sharing this because I find it interesting, not because I agree with the overall tone of the article (I don't). In a provocative 2007 presentation in San Francisco, the psychologist Roy Baumeister asked, “Is there anything good about men?” (The short answer, if you haven’t read “Demonic Males,” by Dale Peterson and Richard Wrangham, is not much.) That Baumeister article is actually really fair and balanced perspective on how "culture exploits men," but it appears the author didn't even read …
/r/MensRights22/07/13 03:26 PM
2

Sure, but it does fly in the face of a lot of their other rhetoric: patriarchy, male privilege - which is the real crux of feminist theory, not gender equality.
/r/MensRights18/07/13 06:06 PM
6

Exactly, this image is completely pro-feminism. It's basically saying, "you don't understand what feminism is if you think it only cares about women over men." It's geared toward people who supposedly misunderstand feminism, not feminists who actually shown signs of misandry.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 02:37 PM
12

What do you mean that patriarchy theory and rape culture are "naively true?"
/r/MensRights09/07/13 01:14 PM
1

It doesn't matter. Any talk of "male privilege" without even a single mention of "male oppression" or "female privilege" is too one-sided for my tastes - "academic" definitions or not. At worst, it's blatant ignorance of the facts. At best, it's purposely defining words in a way that fits your "Us and Them" narrative (and sociology is riddled with these). I used to share men-related issues stuff on ALF and they would never re-share them. As individualists, I thought it was appropriate to share o…
/r/MensRights03/07/13 03:38 PM
8

I know that women still avoid engineering programs far more then men. This is first-hand experience. You could still argue it's an embedded social construct. But I think it's safe to say that men/women don't have to be 50/50 with every job profession. There could very well be certain professions that tend to appeal more to one sex than another. It's not a sexist thing - it's not about who is "better" or "worse" - it's just different preferences that are partly influenced by sex.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 12:47 PM
22

Association of Libertarian Feminists and Bleeding Heart Libertarians are two attempts today to revive classical liberal/individualist feminism. I still can't get behind it though, because they still rely a lot on the same rhetoric as second/third wave feminists ("Patriarchy," "Male privilege," "Rape Culture" etc.) Do you know of any other feminist "groups" today that swing individualist, but also reject common feminist buzzology? I know Warren Farrel, Camille Paglia, and Christina Hoff Sommers -…
/r/MensRights03/07/13 12:39 PM
2

"Psychology" is an applied science Actually, psychology has branches in both basic science (cognitive, behavioral, perception, neuroscience) and applied science (clinical, forensics, sports, positive).
/r/MensRights26/06/13 01:34 PM
2

Psychology is the art (it sure ain't no science) of getting people to pay you while you pretend you care about their lives. It's pure bullshit. You're only talking about clinical psychology, and there are plenty of therapeutic modalities today that have proven effective in RCT studies (CBT, Psychodynamics, Exposure therapy...just to name a few). Not to mention: Cognitive psychology, behavioral psychology, developmental psychology, perception, neuropsychology, social psychology, behavioral econom…
/r/MensRights26/06/13 01:20 PM
2

Nobody ever deserves or invites rape. Ever. Duh. People can wear whatever the fuck they want. Agreed, but many feminists will often criticize what people choose to wear in media and culture and claim that is contributing to sexual objectification and/or "rape culture." That is where the hypocrisy is.
/r/MensRights24/06/13 02:01 PM
1

When someone says something is "objectified" what they are really saying is something about their own perception: "this makes me feel like the person is just a sexual object." This is true for both perception of the media as well as how individuals present themselves in the "real world." When a feminist says a woman is being objectified in the media or culture, what they are really saying is: "this is making me feel like the woman is just a sexual object." In the same way, a "slut shamer" looks …
/r/MensRights24/06/13 12:28 PM
1

Are women who portray themselves in the media not also choosing to objectify themselves? Even if it is just for money, fame, or whatever.
/r/MensRights24/06/13 12:58 AM
4

From my experience, most feminists define "rape culture" as "that offends me." At least that's the most consistent definition I have come across so far. Nicki Minaj's ass bouncing in a hip hop video? Rape culture!
/r/MensRights23/06/13 09:41 PM
1

My question was hypothetical, although I guess I would be interested in what feminists would say about this (although I also imagine they wouldn't admit an inconsistency even if there was one though).
/r/MensRights23/06/13 09:35 PM
4

I get that difference, but I don't see how just because "objectification" is a personal choice that makes it harmless. To me, that would make it even more despicable since a woman would be willingly promoting her own objectification (from a feminist perspective).
/r/MensRights23/06/13 09:26 PM
1

I can see why a woman objectifying herself is more of a choice, but I don't see how that changes the negative influence that objectification would supposedly have on society more broadly. If objectification of women is bad, wouldn't "slut shaming" be a useful way to stop women from objectifying themselves? I don't personally believe this, but by feminist logic it could easily be argued.
/r/MensRights23/06/13 08:52 PM
12

This is because the majority of feminists frame gender issues as an "Us vs. Them" mentality.
/r/MensRights23/06/13 07:32 PM
-1

That's a great example. I actually have a list of role models when it comes to seduction and he's on that list.
/r/seduction23/06/13 07:23 PM
2

And how does that make it better? Just say "females only" - no explanation, no hard feelings. You don't need to say why you're being exclusive.
/r/MensRights19/06/13 06:40 PM
1

I figured this was my problem. I was thinking of sharing a Warren Farrell or Thomas Sowell video demystifying the wage gap, but I knew those names would be immediately met with opposition. I really need some neutral resources for times like these.
/r/MensRights19/06/13 06:20 PM
33

I didn't get past the first paragraph: Mostly I dig being a man. It’s awesome. And being a middle class white man? Holy crap. I don’t need to buy a lottery ticket because I won all the things just by turning up. Where are all my free things?
/r/MensRights18/06/13 06:39 PM
1

It's not that it's not funny, it's the hypocrisy.
/r/MensRights13/06/13 12:15 PM
6

That to me seems like a terrible strategy. I find the more fanatic a feminist is the more likely it is they have suffered from prior abuse, and they often generalize that trauma and hatred to the rest of men. Anecdotal evidence is a big part of why feminists have a hard time seeing a broader view of gender issues. Or the person will just deny sharing their experiences because they are too personal. It's really tough to win an argument from this perspective. Even if they give a small example, you…
/r/MensRights10/06/13 12:39 PM
1

I don't follow this place too closely, but I don't see much name-calling here. There's always some hostility in any reddit, but this one seems more welcoming to me than, say, it's feminist counterparts.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 02:06 PM
1

It's a cheap cover up to protect herself from the already existing "women definitely have it worse" narrative. From a rhetorical standpoint, it's not bad since it can help people who believe in the narrative to put their defenses down and perhaps acknowledge that men do have real issues in certain areas of life. It's a starting point, at the very least.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 02:02 PM
3

I think it's more of a social taboo.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 04:54 PM
12

That's exactly why I knew I had to put a disclaimer.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 04:41 PM
28

I keep reading the sentence, where is the Freudian slip? Or do you mean ironic?
/r/MensRights03/06/13 03:19 PM
6

The original Silverman joke is: Who’s going to complain about a rape joke, rape victims? They don’t even report rape.
/r/MensRights02/06/13 01:26 PM
13

She has the right to call him a dick, and I have the right to call her a vagina.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 08:07 PM
26

So basically she is just arguing for the right to complain? Well go ahead, although don't expect us to listen to you either.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 07:48 PM
92

The weirdest thing is that Lindy actually makes a rape joke in this segment (when she is talking about comics raping the girl and mimics a comic saying, "Hm, well I'm not doing anything for a little while...") and laughs at several of Jim Norton's rape jokes. I also love how she starts off with "That's a dumb question" and "I have the right to call you a 'dick'" (a gender-based slur). And at the end, she gets super sensitive when Norton jokes about making out with her, but then laughs when the m…
/r/MensRights31/05/13 07:34 PM
1

They usually make a distinction between "institutional racism/sexism" and "personal racism/sexism." Although it's quite convenient for their rhetoric.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 02:07 PM
1

It is rape-y.
/r/MensRights28/05/13 12:25 AM
1

This Louis CK scene is kind of rape-y.
/r/MensRights27/05/13 08:13 PM
2

Ugh, Gail Dines is one of the worst, she literally says that we need radical feminism because it gets people riled up and listening. When she was a "liberal feminist," the rhetoric wasn't captivating enough for her to get an audience. Video.
/r/MensRights13/05/13 01:25 PM
2

No matter how many times I read stuff like this, it still blows my mind how people can think this way.
/r/MensRights10/05/13 07:19 PM
1

I find both images harmless, but not appropriate for a classroom.
/r/MensRights10/04/13 01:29 PM
123

This is the real kicker for me. Interesting how feminists only think about reciprocity when it's their turn to receive.
/r/MensRights08/04/13 12:33 PM
5

You forgot to add #maleprivilege. This is obviously the spaghetti monster patriarchy who created the draft, and thus this is just men oppressing other men because they secretly perceive them as "women" who have to prove themselves by going to war. If you disagree with me it's cause you're drowning in rape culture.
/r/MensRights07/04/13 11:33 AM
3

Well, that's the thing, the rhetoric is designed merely to rile up students. Some feminists are fairly explicit about it: why we need radical feminism. When I was an undergrad in psychology, I thought the social sciences were pretty bad, but sociology takes the cake by far. There is no reason whatsoever why the sociological narrative of feminists should be considered "scientific" in anyway. It's nothing but cherry-picking anecdotes (mixed with a statistic here and there) to propagate a certain w…
/r/MensRights25/03/13 03:40 PM
3

It's just another way for sociologists to alienate "privileged" people, ie straight, white, middle class males - the bane of our society's existence.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 02:36 PM
3

I believe this article was originally published on Salon actually.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 01:31 PM
5

If there's a "rape culture," then there's most certainly a "suicide culture" too. Except that rapes have actually gone down over the years, and suicide seems to be going up.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 12:37 PM
1

Does this mean the #rapeculture is finally over?
/r/MensRights25/03/13 12:17 PM
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“When you start the conversation with, ‘Well you have privilege and you have power,’” she said, “it’s the mental, ‘Let me turn off my ears and not listen to you anymore.’ ” This a thousand times.
/r/MensRights24/03/13 01:46 PM
1

Saying "rape is far from the worst thing that can happen to a person" sounds to me like a way to undermine a very serious and psychologically damaging event. It may or may not be objectively true, but either way it's moot - because there are a million ways something can be "worse." My point is that we shouldn't be focusing on these comparisons so much as "coercion and oppression in all forms is bad." I'm not saying rape is the worst thing that can happen to a person, but I'm also not saying it's…
/r/MensRights23/03/13 05:27 PM
1

Okay, so I think we're saying the same thing.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:50 PM
6

Again, what does it matter that it's not the "worst thing that could possibly happen to anyone?" It's still an absolutely awful thing that can leave you living in a constant state of fear and regret, as well as completely psychologically ruin your ability to build intimate and loving relationships in the future. It's a terrible thing that shouldn't happen to anyone - end of story.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 03:51 PM
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"Would a woman prefer to be carjacked and have the carjacker drive off with her 2 year old strapped in in the back seat .... or be raped?" What does it matter? We should reprimand both behaviors, because both are despicable and counter-productive to a free and peaceful society. Comparisons like this are exactly what feminists do to undermine men's issues. It shouldn't be a competition about who has it worse. When we start thinking about these issues in those terms, then I think we've lost focus …
/r/MensRights23/03/13 03:19 PM
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She gets that rape is far from the worst thing that can happen to a person. I was with you up until here. I don't think there is any real value in downplaying the trauma of rape.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 02:01 PM
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Feminists are some of the most divisive people I've ever encountered. I can sit back and watch feminists try to marginalize each other's voices all day. Oh, you're a woman feminist? But you're not black or gay or poor. The whole movement is one big oppression olympics. As a straight white male, I'm in no position to think critically about feminist ideas. I either accept the dogma through-and-through, or I'm the enemy.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 01:24 PM
1

Um, because it's sad to see people do atrocious things?
/r/MensRights19/03/13 02:44 PM
3

I love this idea, keep it going! Then turn it into an e-book!
/r/seduction16/03/13 09:14 PM
2

boyprivilege #patriarchy
/r/MensRights16/03/13 05:01 AM
7

It's anecdotal, but still empirical. We're not trying to write a whole thesis based on this Facebook screenshot or anything. But that also doesn't mean it's completely irrelevant to men's issues either.
/r/MensRights13/03/13 03:31 PM
7

It's one example of it. How does that make me sound like a feminist? Negative attitudes based on gender is a real problem for both men and women.
/r/MensRights13/03/13 03:18 PM
8

The issue is the gender stereotype that men are supposed to be "disposable" bread-winners and treat women like helpless princesses.
/r/MensRights13/03/13 03:16 PM
12

The traditional belief that men are supposed to be "disposable" bread-winners and treat women like "princesses" is definitely a men's issue. And no, this isn't supposed to characterize all women - of course not.
/r/MensRights13/03/13 03:13 PM
7

For those interested in the origin of this concept: "male gaze" in feminist theory. It's a Wikipedia summary, and yes I do find the idea quite absurd. The truth is that both men and women can have a "sexual gaze" if they are eye-ing something they find attractive.
/r/MensRights13/03/13 12:03 AM
2

Yes, I was exaggerating, although not without some truth behind it (at least based from my experiences speaking with feminists). But I guess my experiences are different than yours, so I'm obviously "brainwashed."
/r/MensRights12/03/13 11:10 PM
18

Feminists will say they were both drunk, therefore it was not consensual, and therefore completely guy's fault.
/r/MensRights11/03/13 12:36 AM
21

AskWomen deleted the question. Which coincidentally answers the question.
/r/MensRights09/03/13 08:43 PM
3

Thanks, fixed it. I thought it seemed wrong at first, but attributed it to brain fart.
/r/MensRights09/03/13 06:33 PM
20

Is there anymore footage? I also love how the panelist is clearly interrupting the speaker before he can make a single point, and somehow the article interprets that as the speaker "started speaking and wouldn't stop." Clearly this event wasn't supposed to be an actual "discussion."
/r/MensRights09/03/13 06:08 PM
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Apparently, mentioning that reddit does good things is "excusing the bad things," even though the clip doesn't reveal the speaker saying that whatsoever. What the "reddit panelist" ignores is that the problems addressed aren't problems "inherent* to reddit," they are problems inherent to the internet, and people in general. Reddit just so happens to be a huge place where there are a lot of examples of both "good" and "bad" behavior. Oh, and God forbid redditors defend themselves at a SXSW event …
/r/MensRights09/03/13 04:30 PM
1

Yes, there's a lot of variation, but we're talking about tendencies within the masculine-feminine spectrum.
/r/MensRights05/03/13 03:10 AM
2

I still believe gender is partly biological. I don't know about your situation, but do you take any kind of hormone supplements? That's acknowledging a biological component to your gender identity, isn't it? Also, is it really correct to say people "choose" their gender anymore than people "choose" their sexual orientation?
/r/MensRights05/03/13 02:23 AM
1

Well, I think even if people dressed exactly the same we'd still have a pretty reliable way of distinguishing different sexes. Men tend to be taller, broader shoulders, different facial characteristics, deeper voices, etc. Those are still biological traits as opposed to behavioral ones though. But assuming all of those biological indicators are constant (an idealistic world, indeed) I think determining sex based on behavioral tendencies would be plausible, but probably take more observation. You…
/r/MensRights04/03/13 06:44 PM
1

Okay, but how people dress isn't the only thing that constitutes gender. I'm talking about different behavioral tendencies too.
/r/MensRights04/03/13 06:30 PM
1

With fashion, I mostly agree. I think those are easy examples of primarily social influences on gender. But with other aspects of gender, there are certainly some level of biological/evolutionary explanations for them. I think different balances in hormones, for example, definitely leads to different behavioral tendencies. The biology behind gender is much deeper than just the "man bits" vs. the "woman bits," and I think trying to pretend that's the only real difference in men/women is naive.
/r/MensRights04/03/13 05:56 PM
1

It's not about feminists. And it's not about any "obligation" on my part. I do it for my own intelligence and peace of mind. That being said, I'll probably never get around to reading this book anyway. So no worries.
/r/MensRights04/03/13 05:45 PM
1

Trying to understand other viewpoints isn't the same as moral relativism. I can understand why someone believes in something while completely disagreeing with it.
/r/MensRights04/03/13 05:39 PM
2

But the "social" is at least partly influenced by the "biological," so I don't think you can draw a complete distinction there. It also seems the sex/gender distinction is mostly a feminist thing. A way to acknowledge the obvious biological differences between sexes, but then pretend "lifestyle differences" found in gender is somehow a wholly separate phenomenon. I prefer this definition of gender which encompasses the whole picture: "Gender is a range of physical, mental, and behavioral charact…
/r/MensRights04/03/13 05:34 PM
1

I don't dismiss things based on ignorance. I read and consume material from people who are greatly disagree with all of the time.
/r/MensRights04/03/13 05:25 PM
2

Yeah, although I guess its open for discussion if anyone feels strongly about it.
/r/MensRights04/03/13 02:22 AM
3

I mean the whole masculine-feminine spectrum, but yes, gender roles too I think are at least partly influenced by biology and evolutionary history. That's not to say these gender roles are still useful, nor is it to say these gender roles are wholly non-useful - but biology definitely seems to play a part in different behavioral tendencies associated with gender.
/r/MensRights04/03/13 02:20 AM
2

I think the obvious answer here is that "gender" is both partly biological and partly social.
/r/MensRights04/03/13 02:17 AM
1

Thanks for all the sources, I didn't know. I don't particularly find a feminist influence to be incompatible with men's rights, but I'm definitely against the dogma of patriarchy, and the quote about "moms being generally better parents than dads" is just sexist. I guess the book isn't worth checking out?
/r/MensRights04/03/13 01:40 AM
0

Interesting, looking forward to it! I don't know much about The Good Men project myself, just recognize the name and stumbled across the Wikipedia page today.
/r/MensRights03/03/13 09:16 PM
80

Your confusion with the term "male privilege" probably stems from the fact that most people use it as a meaningless buzzword. Do men experience certain privileges based on their sex? Sure. But so do women. Do men experience certain forms of oppression based on their sex? Yes, there's that too. And so do women. "Male privilege" is really just a convenient way for feminists to talk about gender stereotypes without acknowledging all the other sides of the story. It's a way to keep the whole "male i…
/r/MensRights22/02/13 04:08 PM
2

Perhaps you have a bias against self-help? Most material is available completely free. And even if people do pay money for this stuff, I don't think paying money for alternative means of education is "exploitative." Some people actually need this stuff and benefit from it. In today's world, I find it great that people have educational opportunities to improve their social skills and relationships (this of course extends beyond just PUA). This kind of stuff is never mentioned in schools - it is a…
/r/MensRights18/02/13 04:49 PM
1

It seems feminism has taken a more radical turn fairly recently (maybe within the last decade). I think it has to do with more young, impressionable minds going into women studies, learning a couple things about the movement, and then misrepresenting/propagating it on social media like Tumblr and Facebook (places which have just become an echochamber for buzzwords like "rape culture" and "male privilege," but not a lot of in-depth analysis or critical thinking). Maybe I'm looking in the wrong pl…
/r/MensRights18/02/13 04:40 PM
1

Generalizations. Not everyone in pick-up is just some sociopath looking for easy pussy (although I'm sure some of them are). Hell, in the forums I used to visit they used to ban the words "bitch" and "cunt," because they often reveal a negative/frustrated mindset when it comes to women. When you look below the surface, most of the teachings in pick-up are just about being confident in yourself and not putting women on some idealistic pedestal.
/r/MensRights18/02/13 04:36 PM
2

I already know what this is, I already know what this is, I already know what this is.... clicks...yep.
/r/MensRights18/02/13 04:28 PM
14

Feminist: "If you believe in gender equality then you're a feminist." Joe: "Hey guys, look at these problems men face too!" Feminist: "Start your own group." And the whole "tell me how it goes" at the end of the comment just comes off condescending.
/r/MensRights18/02/13 04:25 PM
1

It may seem obvious, but for some people it's a very valuable reminder.
/r/seduction09/02/13 01:23 AM
1

Yeah, I'm not sure if the opposite extreme is anymore healthy. Being nice doesn't automatically make you "lose social value," when it's done in moderation it has quite the opposite effect.
/r/seduction08/02/13 02:52 PM
2

Who said anything about anyone "doing it all?"
/r/MensRights07/02/13 09:52 PM
2

I think the point of interest is the gender role reversal.
/r/MensRights07/02/13 09:52 PM
1

It's especially relevant to oneitis.
/r/seduction05/02/13 04:38 PM
-4

This kind of stuff doesn't really bother me. It's sexist, but relatively harmless. If it was reversed, of course feminists would go berserk, but I'd like to think I have enough patience and tolerance to not find every little thing offensive like feminists do.
/r/MensRights03/02/13 05:04 PM
3

No one's arguing against the usefulness of birth control.
/r/MensRights31/01/13 04:43 PM
1

No, the problem is preventative measures != blaming the victim, period. This logic isn't hard, and feminists straight refuse to acknowledge a distinction.
/r/MensRights27/01/13 12:41 AM
7

Yeah, I was going to respond to that by saying, "Yeah, and not everyone that gets lung cancer smokes cigarettes, doesn't mean smoking cigarettes doesn't increase your chances."
/r/MensRights26/01/13 05:25 PM
10

People use "don't walk down dark allies" because it's an obvious example of the usefulness of preventatives measure. It's meant to support the principle of self-prevention, not be the only advice on how people can actually prevent themselves from being victims. So if we agree that walking down dark allies (just because we have the "right" to) is a bad idea, then we can begin to see how other forms of preventative measures are just as legitimate.
/r/MensRights26/01/13 05:16 PM
1

Admittedly, it's not. I just find MR to be the only safe haven to rationally discuss feminist fallacies, thus I shared it here.
/r/MensRights26/01/13 05:06 PM
10

How is rape prevention advice irrelevant? Is it so bad to tell people they actually have some control over the people they choose to associate with, the places they choose to go, and the subconscious signals they send out based on what they wear or how they act? Anyone who is even slightly educated in human behavior knows that environmental cues can play a huge role in how people act. Even the best people can become evil monsters when put in the right circumstances (Stanford Prison Experiment). …
/r/MensRights26/01/13 04:53 PM
49

Yeah, the woman even said it's chalked up as "boys will be boys." Never heard that in regards to rape, ever.
/r/MensRights26/01/13 04:49 PM
7

I don't know that. I don't believe that. Are we done now?
/r/MensRights26/01/13 04:38 PM
8

Well cry me a fucking river, who made you the authority on what people "should" or "shouldn't" give a fuck about. We'll let the rest of reddit decide.
/r/MensRights26/01/13 04:36 PM
6

Really? Cause I've only posted one other FB argument I had and it had over 1,000+ upvotes (not that I give a shit about karma, but you can't honestly say "no one gives a fuck"). Sharing a FB discussion is not any more or less relevant than other people here sharing their "real world" conversations and experiences.
/r/MensRights26/01/13 04:30 PM
1

That's just a colloquial slip, I think she is aware that both males and females can be criminal and psychopaths.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 01:44 PM
3

Yeah, I shared this video for a lot of the other points she makes too. One of the most sane and non-ideological feminists I know of, she's great.
/r/MensRights24/01/13 05:59 PM
3

I said "much less," for what it's worth.
/r/MensRights17/01/13 11:12 PM
-2

No she didn't say "to save your ass," she said: "Males, never go into a room to counsel a female employee by yourself" with no explanation, unless the OP just zoned out when she actually explained why (which is completely plausible).
/r/MensRights17/01/13 09:48 PM
1

How hard it is to just explain why the policy is in place then?
/r/MensRights17/01/13 03:01 PM
12

Of course, but gender roles make that much less of an option for men than women.
/r/MensRights17/01/13 02:50 PM
1

Just because a question doesn't have a clear answer doesn't mean it's stupid.
/r/MensRights16/01/13 09:56 PM
1

It's sad really, because many feminists have sort of become parodies of themselves. I engage with pages like this on a daily basis, and even when I try to be as civil and rational as possible I usually quickly get called a "rape apologist" or I'm told I'm a white male so I can't possibly offer any insight into forms of oppression. And any disagreement must be a result of my unwillingness to recognize my own "white male privilege." It's a shame, because I'm even willing to ally with feminism, but…
/r/MensRights16/01/13 09:47 PM
1

Haha, I wish.
/r/MensRights16/01/13 09:35 PM
1

Sorry, I'm fairly new here. Can you point me to a good discussion of this?
/r/MensRights16/01/13 06:28 PM
2

I agree, but the question doesn't suggest that anyone's problems shouldn't be taken seriously.
/r/MensRights16/01/13 05:26 PM
1

Sure, well-being can be subjective and relative, but there are clearly better situations to be in than others. For example, being a slave or being a victim of the Holocaust is typically worse than winning the lottery or being happily married. Extreme examples, yes, but the point is the distinction can definitely exist, albeit there can be more subtle, grey areas. Saying one is "worse" devalues another person's life and experiences. No it doesn't. Just because I have it "better" than someone does…
/r/MensRights16/01/13 05:22 PM
2

That's a fair answer, I'd still like to see other people's thoughts on here though.
/r/MensRights16/01/13 04:49 PM
3

My Tumblr said I need feminism because your a rape apologist...
/r/MensRights16/01/13 05:51 AM
3

Agreed. If all signs point to "no," I wouldn't interpret it any other way.
/r/MensRights16/01/13 03:51 AM
4

It would be nice if it was that simple - it's not.
/r/MensRights16/01/13 03:25 AM
4

A hypothetical woman, no less.
/r/MensRights15/01/13 10:50 PM
9

"I don't care that you aren't interested in me. The only thing that can dissuade my sexual advances is the knowledge that you are the property of another male whose territory I will not cross." No, that's some bullshit feminist narrative. The very simple truth is a girl who shows a slight disinterest in you is easier to court than a girl who is already in a committed relationships.
/r/MensRights15/01/13 10:47 PM
12

And there's also the fact that taking the right angle can change a "no" into a "yes," if you know what you're doing. Some people call that "courting," feminists call it "date rape."
/r/MensRights15/01/13 07:02 PM
1

The point made in the original status was that "I'm in a relationship" only works because we respect the male's "territory" or "property"- and we aren't just deterred because the woman is clearly unavailable.
/r/MensRights15/01/13 07:00 PM
12

It's a FB post by a page managed by 3 college-level professors in sociology. This isn't some jaded bitch with a stupid idea, this is an actual narrative of oppression that is taught in schools.
/r/MensRights15/01/13 06:57 PM
12

I spend plenty of time outside of echo chambers, sometimes it's nice to be reminded other people actually think like me.
/r/MensRights15/01/13 06:46 PM
9

I shared it here because I knew the rest of the comments in the thread would be ridiculing me and calling me a "rape apologist." Figured I'm better off showing it to people who will actually listen to my point.
/r/MensRights15/01/13 06:37 PM
11

I live on a very populated street in Brooklyn and I like to observe a lot of social interactions from my balcony (that may sound creepy, but human behavior in all forms just fascinates the shit out of me - and I'm from a psychology background). The only examples I can think of (from my experiences, obviously) are these 3 separate dudes that do a lot of "street hollering" at young women. They also happen to be 50+ years old and very clearly mentally ill (and maybe even homeless).
/r/MensRights15/01/13 05:41 PM
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There are women out there who will hit on a guy because he has a girlfriend. Yeah, but that's not the girl's fault, that's because society says guys are allowed to be sexual deviants. #maleprivilege
/r/MensRights15/01/13 05:24 PM
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On the other side of the coin, one girl in the thread says: "I'm flattered when a guy is persistently pursuing me. " My response: Many girls are, oddly enough, which is why feminist rhetoric can be so hypocritical in the face of how women actually behave in the real world. Is it at all possible that most women prefer assertiveness, persistence, and a guy that knows what he wants? I cannot count the number of times I have stopped pursuit of a girl when she gives me a simple "No", and then later o…
/r/MensRights15/01/13 05:15 PM
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I bet girls that get hit on a lot use it as a quick way to brush off guys, but I doubt it works because men respect "male bodies" (the boyfriend) more than "female bodies." I would say most people don't want to hit on a girl in a relationship because, well, she's already in a relationship.
/r/MensRights15/01/13 04:19 PM
10

I thought about it. I almost googled it. Almost.
/r/MensRights10/01/13 07:15 PM
135

Life is just too good to bare.
/r/MensRights10/01/13 06:14 PM
2

Of course it's satire, but the point it's trying to make is that "men should just stop raping, duh."
/r/MensRights10/01/13 04:10 PM
2

Again, I don't agree with everything she says. Her social deviance comes off as trolling sometimes.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 03:00 PM
2

According to feminists, sitting next to them on the bus is equivalent to sexual assault and "rape culture."
/r/MensRights09/01/13 01:39 AM
1

If you're a libertarian, "coercion" definitely refers to force or the threat of force.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 01:28 AM
4

I don't agree with everything she says, of course. I think her views on homosexuality are a bit conservative (even though she is bisexual), but I always appreciate a narrative on gender that isn't completely one-sided.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 11:59 PM
7

Should women be strong too?
/r/MensRights06/01/13 03:01 AM
13

Which men do you know that exude a "facade of strength?" Is this even a serious question? Sports? War? Politics? Business? I don't even know where to begin....men are expected to take on strong, leadership roles in almost every field of society. I see absolutely nothing in the gender stereotypes which we in the West have dreamed up. They don't connect at all with what I see in reality around me. They exist in the exact sense that society has constructed them and pressures men to fit into them.
/r/MensRights06/01/13 02:26 AM
1

It's just cognitive dissonance. Deep down, they sense the stupidity and double-standards of what they're saying, but they are too dedicated to their ideology to second guess it.
/r/MensRights05/01/13 03:02 PM
14

I'm fairly new to the Men's Rights movements, but this speech is blowing my mind.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 10:06 PM
16

Video for those who haven't seen it yet.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 08:24 PM
11

If you're a white male, forget it.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 08:18 PM
2

Imagine if you actually slept with her, damn sounds like you dodged a bullet!
/r/MensRights04/01/13 06:24 PM
6

I disagree that gender is a purely social concept, but feminism is about more than just that.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 05:10 PM
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I enjoy debating with feminists, but I definitely see the bigger picture too. At the end of the day, I'm actually not worried about the feminist movement one bit, I think they do a surprisingly good job making themselves less and less relevant everyday with or without me.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 05:03 PM
19

Fine by me, feminism has some good ideas and observations about sexism and gender expectations. It's feminists that seem to ruin those good ideas and turn them into reactionary angst against men, which is why I could never actually associate with the movement.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 05:00 PM
16

I have no idea, but I do know that both exist and both are equally wrong.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 04:49 PM
18

Because society is generally dismissive of anything that it doesn't see as "normal," such as a guy wearing a dress or a girl with a mustache. And when people step outside of their expected gender roles, it is perceived as "weird" or "unnatural."
/r/MensRights04/01/13 04:24 PM
25

Gender expectations. They affect both sexes negatively, but feminists only see one dynamic of oppression.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 04:18 PM
8

Also, telling people "no" is hardly trying to prevent a situation.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 01:28 AM
9

But we can make fun of their tactics.
/r/MensRights30/12/12 02:37 AM
5

I think discussing the social sciences in terms of cultural narrative is fine, so long as we don't just stick to one narrative. Social sciences should be flexible and should look through the eyes of all social actors, not merely seeing things in terms of "blacks being oppressed by whites" or "females being oppressed by males." If anything, I would like to see sociology take on a more individualistic narrative. The role of the "self" in "society" is a much more useful starting point than focusing…
/r/MensRights26/12/12 08:48 PM
3

Agreed on all points, and I think this is a much more productive way of starting the conversation than just looking at the surface and counting heads. There is no doubt in my mind that some of the disparity in female/male demographics (among certain activities) could be based on social pressures, biases, stereotypes, or just flat-out ostracism. But I don't believe the disparity in itself is evidence that there are sexist relations.
/r/MensRights15/12/12 05:35 PM
8

Just checking in to show my support. The strongest and most independent women I've met throughout my life rarely identified as "feminists."
/r/MensRights15/12/12 02:22 AM
7

I like to think so too, but honestly can't find many rational ones.
/r/MensRights10/12/12 08:49 PM
21

Almost whenever I tell a feminist that men too can be victims of sexual abuse I just get a roll of the eyes and am told to stop acting like a "white, privileged male." It's nearly impossible to advocate a balanced perspective without being told that I'm trying to undermine the feminist movement.
/r/MensRights10/12/12 07:03 PM
5

It's an unsourced "conversation" That's a reason to be skeptical and probably dismiss this conversation - it doesn't however make you able to "tell" if it's actually a parody or not. People can be really manipulative and say some really outrageous things sometimes (especially when love and relationships are involved) - I wouldn't put anything passed anyone.
/r/MensRights09/12/12 08:00 PM
4

I think the study has some validity, albeit some flaws. The real truth-tester in science is if we can get more repeated studies (hopefully with some of the flaws of this study fixed) showing the same thing.
/r/MensRights09/12/12 04:36 PM
12

Proof that we live in a rape culture!
/r/MensRights04/12/12 10:54 PM
4

You would think, "Just kidding, of course" would be explicit enough.
/r/MensRights24/07/12 08:26 PM
6

It was a stupid and obvious joke that was meant to be stupid and obvious. I wouldn't take it too seriously.
/r/MensRights24/07/12 04:57 PM
6

If people want to be dishonest they will be dishonest. I can't worry about things like that.
/r/MensRights24/07/12 04:57 PM
13

Atheists do post at /r/christianity. And Christians also post at /r/atheism on occasion. And, believe it or not, sometimes they can actually be respectful to one another.
/r/MensRights24/07/12 04:49 PM
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They're women, of course there is a lack of logic. Just kidding, of course. Something about feminists drives me to make misogynistic jokes. EDIT: Wah, wah wah...self-righteous babies.
/r/MensRights24/07/12 04:39 PM
1

Lol random ass rules.
/r/seduction09/06/12 02:00 PM
2

A slut is a person of any gender who has the courage to lead life according to the radical proposition that sex is nice and pleasure is good for you.
/r/seduction08/03/12 03:18 PM
14

Any Psychologist will tell you WHY questions are terrible to ask, they dont get much detail out of people. As someone who reads about psychology studies on a daily basis, SOURCE PLEASE.
/r/seduction24/02/12 03:21 AM
1

Chase is excellent. I interviewed him several months ago here.
/r/seduction24/02/12 03:19 AM
2

"Why" is accusatory It doesn't have to be at all. "Why?" can just be genuine curiosity. "Why did you become an artist?" doesn't sound offensive to me at all, but you're probably imagining it in a much different tone of voice than I am.
/r/seduction24/02/12 03:18 AM
9

Strauss didn't create "The Cube" - he just shared it.
/r/seduction27/01/12 11:15 PM
2

Holy shit, this stuff if awesome! Thanks.
/r/seduction08/08/11 12:42 PM
3

So it's an activity, not a "thing." That's actually a key thing to remember in regards to a lot of inner game: confidence, self-esteem - it's all a process. It's not something you just wake up with one day and keep around in your pocket. You need to constantly be working on it, testing your boundaries, exploring, learning, and building upon yourself.
/r/seduction08/08/11 12:27 PM
5

All banter is mild and playful sarcasm. Just say the opposite of what she wants to hear, then smile. Simple as that.
/r/seduction15/07/11 03:14 PM
3

As much as these reframes are great, I see them as supplementary to overcoming approach anxiety. They are great, but rarely enough to really motivate people with severe approach anxiety. Integrating them is key, and you can't integrate these ideas without approaching. Key is to put social pressure on yourself as sort of a counterweight. I've taught a bunch of guys in field, and coached a number of guys through their first approaches. They could read these mindsets all day, but would still freeze…
/r/seduction10/07/11 12:41 PM
1

2.) He did help a lot but it was one of the coaches, who sadly left, who helped my journey the most. Bravo? I saw recently on FB he is starting his own thing. Is he still on the Stylelife forums? He was a massively helpful dude to everyone there.
/r/seduction07/06/11 12:29 PM
2

Both is the only option.
/r/seduction19/05/11 11:39 AM
2

What leads you to believe this was the thing that threw her off? Also, yes, of course complimenting too much looks desperate.
/r/seduction17/04/11 02:08 AM
2

More information is needed. What kind of compliment? Were you being genuine (you're going to say yes, but were you really being genuine?) Third, she could have also just been in a bad mood and didn't want to talk to you in general. Sometimes it's not the approach, sometimes people just have bugs up their butt. It happens. You could've went in with a neg or a "Hi" - or whatever - and she still wouldn't want to talk to you.
/r/seduction16/04/11 08:50 PM
4

Can you remind some of us what the exercise was? In general, I have found some self-hypnosis to be really useful in building stronger attitudes. I especially dig Hypnotica's stuff (Sphinx of Imagination).
/r/seduction16/04/11 03:43 PM
38

In my honest opinion: Whenever the fuck you want. I seriously hate this value "tug-of-war" that goes on in some Pick-up artist's heads. It's self-defeating. Why even think for a second that you may be "lesser value" or that you actually need to make someone feel "lesser value" in order for you to get them. Stop judging and just let your personality be the "DHV." As long as you aren't desperate or trying to win someone over with compliments, you should be fine being nice to a girl. As Nexism said…
/r/seduction16/04/11 03:10 PM
5

Rule #1 of Pick-up: People don't usually know what they want. You have to show them.
/r/seduction16/03/11 12:47 AM
3

Do you ever go on YouTube and google yourself? Probably unintentional, but this cracked me up.
/r/seduction24/02/11 03:04 PM
3

Sometimes there's no real "moment," it's just a philosophy that builds into your head over time.
/r/seduction23/02/11 05:50 AM
6

Smart. I'm a blogger too and I've been thinking about investing in one of these. What do you use? I've heard good things about Dragon NaturallySpeaking.
/r/seduction23/02/11 05:47 AM
18

How do you blog everyday if you are really this shitty of a typer? Do you hire ghostwriters?
/r/seduction23/02/11 05:40 AM
2

Undoubtedly some people can take the loud thing too far. Maybe speaking "boldly" or "assertively" would've been a better descriptor. I think the point is to not be so afraid of taking up "vocal space." It's like body language in a way, you need to be comfortable expanding it and being noticed.
/r/seduction31/01/11 04:22 PM
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I prefer the bite-sized version. Gets to the main point quicker. :)
/r/seduction17/01/11 04:39 PM
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Whatever helps you sleep at night :-P
/r/seduction17/01/11 04:22 PM
3

Here is a somewhat disturbing video of Gunwitch talking drunkingly about his gun and how he occasionally misfires it when he thinks its empty. I wonder if something similar happened with the girl? Maybe he was just trying to scare her and then accidentally shot her out of his own stupidity?
/r/seduction06/01/11 04:31 PM
6

YOU MAD?
/r/seduction06/01/11 04:19 PM
6

"Jesus, this couldn't be any more correct. Imagine the difference between whispering "I want to fuck you all night long" in a hot chicks ear like Ned Flanders and James Bond." 19 upvotes, 0 downvotes. And anyone with any experience with women knows that emulating Bond is a disastrous idea. I thought the point of that comment was that tone matters, not that someone should emulate everything about James Bond.
/r/seduction04/01/11 01:02 AM
1

Steve Piccus, creator of White Tiger Tantra.
/r/seduction03/01/11 02:25 PM
1

While you pressure me and others to watch said video. Classic. Yeah, because posting a link on reddit.com is real "pressure." No, I stumbled on the link and I thought it was worth sharing to people who are still interested. My point is I don't consciously seek out this material anymore.
/r/seduction30/09/10 10:21 PM
1

You guys really will believe anything as long as it's packaged right. I'm just one person. Don't generalize me based on who you think I am. Him having sex does matter, that is the whole point of all of this. Whether or not he does, yes, that can matter. But "how?" I don't care. Yes, pictures, video, testimonials from other women, anything will do. Here he is with an attractive, but older woman. She doesn't appear very comfortable with his physical escalation at all. She doesn't look that uncomfo…
/r/seduction30/09/10 09:54 PM
1

He used to work with David DeAngelo, been around the "personal development" community for years now. Did you watch the whole series? He has some real insight to offer, and definitely not just reiterating pickup manuals (he actually pokes fun of it at least 3 times throughout the whole thing). How does he have sex? None of our business, and it doesn't really matter AT ALL. How do we know he actually attracts women? How else do you know people in the community actually attract women? Social proof,…
/r/seduction30/09/10 08:11 PM
2

Do you have a question?
/r/seduction30/09/10 01:54 PM
9

So awkward hearing 2pac say "the b word."
/r/seduction17/09/10 12:51 AM
4

The article cites two studies in regards to this, both published before the OK Cupid one. So what? Even if all of this is old news to some of you, it is still a good summary of all the research about online dating.
/r/seduction16/09/10 11:30 PM
3

Rip off? There are about 15 studies cited in this article including the OK Cupid one about profile pictures.
/r/seduction16/09/10 10:52 PM
1

Maybe this is a stupid idea, but, instead of discussing tactics or strategy on how "to get guys interested in you," why not first ask yourself, "Do I consider myself an interesting person? What are my hobbies? Do I appreciate meaningful and intelligent conversation? Do I have long-term goals and values? Do I bring out the best in others? What do I offer guys besides flirting and sex?" There is more to attraction and positive relationships than just going to the bar, downing a few drinks, and gri…
/r/seduction21/06/10 02:54 PM
1

I disagree. Plenty of guys practice polygamy and are perfectly happy with that. See: Hypnotica, Steve P., Johnny Soporno, Ross Jeffries.
/r/seduction24/01/10 06:34 PM
2

Honestly, my current sticking point is unlearning a lot of the bullshit I learned from this community which just turned out to be more limiting beliefs. On a girl-related note, just getting up off my ass and getting back in the game after a year long break of self-reflection.
/r/seduction06/08/09 05:55 PM
1

There are varying degrees of social anxiety. Not all of them can be overcome all by oneself but there are certainly people in the seduction community who can relate to feeling some social anxiety every now and then. Most psychologists are widely in agreement that everyone experiences differing levels of anxiety... it is certainly present in many otherwise "normal-functioning" people. It is my understanding that even despite some genetic influence it is largely a learned behavior, and therefore i…
/r/seduction28/07/09 02:43 AM
1

Bigger problems how? Approach Anxiety is a cognitive condition too - it is not inherently more or less serious of a problem than any other form of social anxiety.
/r/seduction28/07/09 12:31 AM
1

You do bring up a good point that body language does at times precede what emotions are felt. There are experiments where people are faked into smiling while watching a cartoon (they make the participants hold a pencil in their mouth which somehow mimicks a "smile") and this caused people to rate the cartoons as more funnier than the control group. However, body language does not play any role whatsoever with social anxiety. Social anxiety is not an emotion - it is a condition grounded in belief…
/r/seduction27/07/09 07:35 PM
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