The STEM Gender Gap That Boggles Even Physicists (sharing for reading purposes)

rapey_raperson · 2013-11-07T17:46:23+00:00

Feminists love to play the "accomplishments" card: it gives them a soapbox to stand on when they cry "Patriarchy". They simply point out how males dominate in so many career disciplines.

STEM careers is an excellent example: most senior STEM jobs are applied for and filled by men; especially the ones making $200K/year and up. That includes the architects who design new technologies. Feminists cry "Patriarchy" and demand more special privileges and opportunities for women.

Yet let's look at the actual facts; yes, those ugly realities that underlie the "roadblock" that womyn face. In high school, young women voluntarily decline to take the advanced math courses that provide the fundamental foundation bits needed for a high-paying career in software engineering. Young men make up the majority of students in those classes. Not because of some sinster plot by the "Patriarchy" at all, but simply because young womyn do not want to take those classes. In colleges and universities across the country, professors and administrations struggle to find womyn willing to enroll in STEM (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) curriculum courses. Here is some source reading on this

This is all pretty well documented and acknowledged. There are many, many men in academia here who are working extra hours to raise the number of womyns enrolled in STEM areas. Yet still the myth of a patriarchal system denying women equal opportunities in the STEM fields rolls merrily along. In spite of all the special programs and opportunities that exist exclusively for women in this area.

This is discrimination against men in a most heinous form. Monies, funding and opportunities are being diverted away from male students who are struggling to get through school, only to be routed to womyns - the majority of whom who don't want them in the first place!

Aside from the sheer discrimination involved, who knows what impact these efforts will have on the future scientific advancement of the human race? Need it be pointed out that we are on the verge of having our planet destroyed by the current technologies used to generate the energy our planet needs?

History is full of scientific breakthroughs by geniuses who came from poor backgrounds and had to struggle greatly to finish their education. All of these geniuses share one common trait: a burning desire to work in their chosen field of science. And now we are institutionalizing a system that is guaranteed to eliminate the struggling males - so that womyns who are undecided about whether they want to work in science can have more opportunities.

Were the authors of the comment in the link by OP shrill and over the line? Indeed. But were they completely wrong? Sadly, no. The essence of their assertion, that women do not contribute to the material development and continued existence of the human race as men do, is fundamentally accurate.

The Men's Rights issue at hand is this: Men are being discriminated against by diverting funding and opportunities - opportunities most women do not even want - to satisfy a non-existent "need" to get women more involved in STEM careers. Plus the "Patriarchy" card that says womyns are denied careers in STEM fields gets to be played when women's-only special interest groups want something. Women are declining to get an education in STEM fields all on their own. By choice, free will, and desire. Yet a few shrill and strident feminist harpies are pressuring the entire academic system of the country to do something about the "problem" - a problem manufactured out of whole cloth by the feminists. Let's not play into their hands with knee-jerk reactions to outrageous posts on Facebook. Let's keep our eye on preventing discrimination against male students.

Huwbacca · 2013-11-07T17:08:46+00:00

im unsurprised that physicists are boggled by a sociology and gender issue...

giegerwasright · 2013-11-08T06:42:17+00:00

I just bought a dev toolkit for a vidya game I like. I've always wanted to write a vidya game. I intend to make a few things and share them with a few people. I'm not going to get paid for it. I'm not going to be told I'm pretty for it. I'm not going to be purchased dinner for it. Nobody is going to play the game I put together and be so impressed with it that they pedge their heart to me or even take the time to prove themselves worthy of my love.

I'm just going to get the experience of having built a little world from nothing and stringing a story through it that I hope will be coherent and interesting enough to make a few of my friends go "Oooh. That was was neat."

And that's it. That's all I'll get out of what will finally end up being months of work. And I'm fine with that.

That's why there are more men in STEM then women. That. That is fucking why. When women figure that the fuck out, they might have a shot. First, though, they'll have to actually bother to put the effort into participating. I'll check back next century to see if they... make that next mellinia.

dejour · 2013-11-07T19:03:27+00:00

I did find it interesting that boys outscored girls on the science test in N. America, Western and Northern Europe, S. America, but girls outscored boys in other areas (Middle East, Asia, E. Europe, S. Europe, Pacific Islands).

Any ideas why that may be the case? Maybe in those cultures there isn't a stereotype of scientists being nerdy/geeky?

NWOslave · 2013-11-08T01:05:30+00:00

If you've ever wondered why all these intelligence "studies" are always done at the age of around 15 years old, it's because that is the peak/plateau of the mental and physical development of women. Men peak/plateau at around 30 years old. Hence the age old saying, "women mature faster and men mature further." Modern day brain scans clearly bear out what was common knowledge for thousands of years. Even the Olympics bear out the "peak" physicality of men and women. Of course mentioning actual science is heresy to the new faith.

Robertooshka · 2013-11-08T00:09:54+00:00

Are psychologists/sociologist considered STEM? I don't really count them as STEM.

ThatCynicalCynicism · 2013-11-08T02:11:25+00:00

I believe the STEM fields will likely always be more attractive to men, as historically, men have been the builders of civilization whilst women have been the nurturers. The STEM fields heavily involve facts and figures, whilst soft sciences involve a lot more compassion and emotion. The APA ran a piece in 2011 specifically talking about gender demographics in the field of psychology [1], and they found that female psychology graduates are now outnumbering male ones 3 to 1.

You only have to look at boys and girls growing up to see that they're not the same. Girls generally enjoy playing with dolls and drawing pictures, whilst boys generally prefer building things; whether it's model trains or Lego. Some argue this is all "socially ingrained", but I have to disagree.

Title	The STEM Gender Gap That Boggles Even Physicists (sharing for reading purposes)
Author	Lightfiend
Upvotes	24
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Date	November 7, 2013 3:27 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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