Tried having a balanced conversation about gender roles, work, and babies. Probably should've just let it go (I'm in blue).

TracyMorganFreeman · 2013-06-19T03:51:38+00:00

At its base, they're saying they should have all the choice, but not the responsibilities that come with it.

NemosHero · 2013-06-19T04:36:27+00:00

Why should I have to choose between a career I am passionate about and the clock on my ovaries?

Sorry, but that's life. You can't do everything. Time is a bitch, but it's watcha gotta do. Companies cannot wave a magic wand and make it so your ability to work for them is not important and scientists cannot wave a magic wand and snooze your biological clock.

2013-06-19T04:42:53+00:00

Seems like its men's fault the woman at the end was born with ovaries... and of course, men just impregnate women and la de da back to work like we enjoy slaving away all day and missing out on time with our kids..

Rattatoskk · 2013-06-19T10:01:56+00:00

Her numbers are WAY off. 49 hours at work? 18 hours of housework on top?

I.. uh.. have never met the working mother who does this. 18 hours of housework she says.. in modern days, that's a part time job. What are women doing on their time off? Re-tiling the roof?

whinemoreplease · 2013-06-19T05:41:21+00:00

Your failure is that you didn't provide any references or citations for the claims (very broad claims, claims which are counter intuitive) that you're making. At the moment, all you're doing is hypothesizing, and your conjectures aren't very convincing.

Statistics on small business run by women, for instant. 90% of on site oil and gas workers are men. Average work weeks by gender.

Whether it's blatant discrimination or a fact of life, you have to spell it out as a consequence of reality. It's incredibly difficult to accomplish everything without making sacrifices somewhere.

ChunLiSBK · 2013-06-19T11:29:34+00:00

You heard it here first. Human biology is a misogynistic construct.

PerniciousOne · 2013-06-19T03:08:43+00:00

Here is some good things you can use against them.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/03/14/modern-parenthood-roles-of-moms-and-dads-converge-as-they-balance-work-and-family/7/#fnref-16485-27

Men work more outside the home, women work more inside the home, they both work.

Women unilaterally make the choice if they want to have a child. Men have no choice what happens after sperm has been removed from his body. His only options for reliable birth control are abstinence, and a vasectomy.

rndmlygnr8td · 2013-06-19T06:57:35+00:00

Ugh, I had basically the exact same conversation on facebook about this same link. Academia is a shitty place to work (if you can even get a job), but it is equally awful to both men and women. Women are more affected by the cutthroat nature of academia but that's only because they more often choose to prioritize children and their husband's career over their own. Yes, women face more pressure to do more of the housework and childrearing, but nothing is forcing them to give into that pressure. Women: say no to being stuck with all the housework and childcare! If you value a top career in a ridiculously competitive field such as academia, then don't marry a husband who expects you to sacrifice that career for his own!

geengaween · 2013-06-19T07:03:15+00:00

The conversation was going pretty civilly until purple decided to stick her oar in. Feminists always seem to have this compulsion to amp up the hostility in a discussion, maybe because their arguments can't stand on their own merits so they have to overcompensate.

ClaudeKenni · 2013-06-19T11:43:48+00:00

The simple truth is not that there is a 'male gendered socio-economic system', it's just free market capitalism. Work as much as you can, for as long as you can, and get rewarded for it. If you work less, free market capitalism doesn't care why. The biological truth is that women give birth, but another biological truth is that men die younger, and in a lot of countries the retirement age for men is still higher than it is for women. If anything, shouldn't it be the other way round? Doesn't that standard show that the real issue is not a 'male gendered socio-economic system', but a system built on the idea of male disposability.

The solution to me seems obvious, when society values men, and stops treating them as disposable, and supports men in getting a better work/life balance, then women will benefit too.

Nomenimion · 2013-06-19T02:27:35+00:00

It's always amusing to see women bitch about the gender roles that have been imposed on them, when in reality our society expects absolutely nothing from women, except for more complaints.

ghebert001 · 2013-06-19T02:38:39+00:00

No you stay in there until they rage so hard they either refuse to talk to you or block you...that's when you know you've won.

murphymc · 2013-06-19T14:23:35+00:00

I like how the first response had to get "you're sexist" out as quick as possible, like it's some ground rule for the discussion that needed to be agrees upon.

Also, the last ones hilarious. Her gripe is clearly with mother nature.

2013-06-19T14:59:32+00:00

Unfriend all of them.

monkeyhousezen · 2013-06-19T15:18:43+00:00

I appreciate the effort you put into it. The same story popped up on my news feed and when I realized how poorly the "women have the option to prioritize career over child rearing the same way men do" would go over with my wife's middle aged academic friends I opted not to stick my dick in the hornets nest.

2013-06-19T16:02:38+00:00

Please don't use meme arrows on facebook.

Like, ever.

PowerWisdomCourage · 2013-06-19T12:34:28+00:00

I do so love having a balanced conversation with feminists. Their self-righteous indignation really makes their argument more convincing. /s

Crimson_D82 · 2013-06-19T05:35:40+00:00

I like how they trout out that stupid pay gap bullshit. It's a myth. Men make more money because they work more and the haggle more.

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Title	Tried having a balanced conversation about gender roles, work, and babies. Probably should've just let it go (I'm in blue).
Author	Lightfiend
Upvotes	25
Comments	45
Date	June 19, 2013 2:18 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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