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​ It doesn't matter if YOUR A FUCKING JANITOR, women will not be able to walk away from an emotionally -centered man who's good in bed, muscular, and chill. Likeliest answer is a combination of weak bedroom skills and over contact after first night sex. ESPECIALLY if you're having trouble keeping women after sex.
/r/seduction28/01/19 10:39 PM
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Shave your head, build up muscle, grow light beard, cut your carbs to under 80 grams a day, don't wear sweatshirts in public, get something with a collar. Problem solved. ​ Funny head shape does not matter. You honestly have an advantage with Caucasian women by being darker skinned. but what I often hear from the 20-somethings in my circle is, "must be fit and well-dressed". ​
/r/seduction27/01/19 10:12 AM
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Improve your gym game, grow a short beard. Get a tan. show off your muscles. have pics of you in the OUTDOORS, not jerking off with bros in bars or near a couch in your apartment. Anything indoors or couch-y is generally lame as fuck unless you have a women on your arm who looks happy and turned on (you can see that in the eyes). ​ Tinder is perfectly fine when you do that.
/r/seduction27/01/19 10:10 AM
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I'd go very minimal on the family photos. Keep it masculine, like you and your dad fishing so something. not sitting on grandma's floral pattern couch with aunt josephine. ​ also, no bro pics. And no "try hard" bar pics where it's obvious you squeezed between two platonic girlfriends and made them take a pic with your phone lol.
/r/seduction27/01/19 10:08 AM
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This is why I always advocate beginners skip KINO and just go for the kiss. It's universally understood what a fucking kiss is. ​ We have legions of noob KINO zombies roaming the streets putting their hands on women awkwardly and hesitantly because ofchatty ass Youtube PUA guys. ​ Besides, when you focus on great gym game (not speedo tanning cream level, but good solid weights game), women will initiate KINO 100% of the time (shoulders, chest, and arms).
/r/seduction25/01/19 10:19 AM
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​ So there's this girl who i have gone out with a couple of times. ​ THAT's where you build the attraction with great gym game, honest and congruent conversation (otherwise known as "charm" and "flirting"), and asking her home on the first date if you like her. This has been happening for the last year. Everytime she texts back i feel as if a new chance has arrived. What to do? ​ ​ Uh...act like you have a dick this time? Maybe i shouldn't respond this time? Be more dry or serious on my convos? …
/r/seduction25/01/19 10:15 AM
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How do you create a good convo though? Sometimes my mind just goes blank ​ You create a "great convo" by having great gym game, wearing non-faded clothing, getting some sun, and being honest. The more a man has to yap and interview women, the weaker his physical game is.
/r/seduction24/01/19 10:56 PM
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Or when girls giving you her number but asks you 0 questions while your thinking of good ones that make the conversation tolerable. ​ Are you interviewing her for a job or setting up a meet?
/r/seduction24/01/19 10:55 PM
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always be specific and lead.
/r/seduction24/01/19 09:47 PM
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Best aspect for long term game: Emotionally-centered behavior. No control issues, little anger, no over-contacting, no novels over text, few insecurities. ​ Best aspect for short term game: Good gym game with honesty during conversations. ​ Combine both? Deadly.
/r/seduction24/01/19 09:03 AM
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Cut your carbs to under 80 grams a day, lift weights.
/r/seduction24/01/19 08:59 AM
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Sunday comes around she texts me later in the evening to say hi. ​ When a woman reaches out to me, it means she wants to fuck right then. It's likely that was your case, too. When someone reaches out to someone, it indicates that's a PEAK "they're thinking about you moment", which would indicate physical desire or at the very least a strong curiousity. I talked with her for 10 minutes or so and told her I had plans with a friend and that I had to go for tonight. ​ Eh. Just invite a woman over ne…
/r/seduction24/01/19 08:59 AM
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You: Hey this is that irresistible bastard Eric from American Eagle. Her: haha, okay. You: let's finish our conversation, see how it goes tomorrow night at bar X, 9. ​ Then you put down the phone. ​ Less is almost always more with women unless it's penis size (haha). ​ ​ Let me also add that this is why I DO NOT recommend KINO for beginners, and instead to just go for the kiss. Because beginners get all up in their head over every tiny little thing. It's better to be minimalist and execute that …
/r/seduction24/01/19 08:51 AM
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The better you get in all areas, the less you put women on a pedestal. Better gym game, upping your career, passionate hobby, increased vocabulary an awareness through reading books, better bedroom game and more of it, lacking fear of honesty, make you not put women on a pedestal. Ad the women can SMELL it on you, and it just feeds this awesome snowball of success.
/r/seduction24/01/19 08:50 AM
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​ Next time a woman is flirting with you on Tinder all night, INVITE HER OVER THAT NIGHT. women are very "of the moment". When they are feeling it, that's when a man leads for a meet. Most women are on tinder for hook ups. fresh out of a relationship, new town, angry with husband, etc. Any woman worth having sex with UNDERSTANDS what Tinder is for. And any woman who expects serious romance or a LTR out of it is going to be conservative and a bore. You played the nice guy role. she was flirting w…
/r/seduction23/01/19 12:14 AM
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I’ve done so much stuff to her already and im running out of ideas tbh. In your experience, what drives them crazy? I've been in a LTR for three years and I still haven't run out of stuff, lol. I throw in a surprise move every couple of months. The most important thing is to be dominant, lead, and make them cum every time. sprinkle in a new move every once in a while to blow their mind. Okay gotcha just don’t say anything unless she does about staying. Yep. You mean answered back my text and I d…
/r/seduction22/01/19 11:00 PM
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It is a little over the top but Clint's behavior is on point. ​
/r/seduction21/01/19 10:34 PM
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Thanks for your time and effort buddy! ​ no problem, that's what I'm here for. ​ ​Thank you man! That’s the strongest thing i’m betting on. ​ ​ Good bedroom game is so important to keep 9's and 10's around. they are really merciless and cold to men who are poor kissers or bad in bed. ​ Care to explain why? ​ Because college aged (20-27), sex-positive women take longer to develop an emotional attachment to a man than a man does to them. By asking her to spend the night you were already stepping i…
/r/seduction21/01/19 02:17 AM
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We talked extensively for almost a whole day ​ Why? Do you not have a job or a purpose? ​ She playfully complained that I make her orgasm too early and that nobody made her orgasm with just his mouth ​ ​ NICE FUCKING WORK. *applause* ​ You are ahead of 95% of the dudes who post here. I told her to stay ​ ​ NOOOOOOOOO!!!! You went backwards! ​ ​ The response was good but as she did not ask my something back I felt that I could not carry the conversation on so I thought better not reply than chatt…
/r/seduction21/01/19 01:32 AM
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Good gym game, and a low carb diet that reduces face bloat, plus decent clothes will always grab a woman's attention right away. ​ The LESS you have to talk to grab a woman's attention, the more you are IMPROVING on all levels of game. Think bull elk.
/r/seduction21/01/19 01:25 AM
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I sent both of them like five or so messages because I really don't like the short text thing. ​ ​ You need to listen to yourself less, and guys who know wtf they're talking about on this forum more. ​ ​ I feel like wouldn't be acting like myself if I'd text short ​ ​ You're social life is going to be a long, horrid slog if you employ a "text more" philosophy LOL. You'll never reel in 9's and 10's unless you become a celebrity, and even then you'll eventually chase them away. I would guess the r…
/r/seduction21/01/19 01:08 AM
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Success makes you completely forget about the rejections.
/r/seduction20/01/19 02:50 AM
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Inherent bitterness combined with not having had sex in forever is a very pungent cologne that fit women can smell from a mile away.
/r/seduction20/01/19 02:23 AM
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Yes. It makes you look like a bitch. HOWEVER, the younger you are the less bad it looks. Since you're not paying rent, you should have money for the occasional nice hotel room. If you aren't paying rent, have no money for a nice hotel and live with your parents, get a job.
/r/seduction20/01/19 02:21 AM
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Then don't text often. That's a good rule in general.
/r/seduction20/01/19 02:20 AM
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Yep, lol.
/r/seduction19/01/19 10:19 PM
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’m 44Wait, I’m 46!These millennial girls really don’t seem to care about age. In fact, with the way boys their age have been emasculated on an industrial scale i think the girls might actually prefer us. This aligns with my experience. Age does not matter for men, fitness does. ​ but if you don't keep yourself fit, and you wear dad jeans and sports team sweatshirts, youre fucked just like 99% of guys.
/r/seduction19/01/19 10:18 PM
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It's because it's rare to find truly fit women over 30's outside of coastal urban areas.
/r/seduction19/01/19 10:16 PM
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How can you be "too old" for 20-somethings when you were just a in a LTR with a 20-something? ​ I think I have a lot to offer but then I think is it creepy trying to hook up with younger women. Any tips guys? ​ If your hair is thinning, shave it. Experiment with stubble or clean. Your fitness game sounds spot on. I'm in my 40's, in LTR with fitness model. I do some lifting. At this point I don't have to pick up women most of the time. I just sit at a club or bar and they come over and start init…
/r/seduction19/01/19 10:15 PM
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Ignore the child.
/r/seduction19/01/19 10:11 PM
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Flaking happens to the best, even those who've reached Amused Mastery. It means nothing, just science.
/r/seduction19/01/19 10:10 PM
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Can you send a pic to my PM?
/r/seduction17/01/19 11:58 PM
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Fitness is it's own unique pillar of good game. It can't be replaced by anything. That's a very lazy outlook.
/r/seduction17/01/19 11:40 PM
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It just means you're not developed in several areas. Hit the gym every other day for an hour with weights. Get carbs to under 80grams a day. Wear non-faded clothing. Read more books than you watch TV. Be honest, to the point, and confident. Remain emotionally-centered (refrain from over texting, jealousy, control, insecurity and negative emotions during communication). when you start doing that, you'll bust out of the male awkward shell. however, understand that MOST MEN NEVER DO. Instead of imp…
/r/seduction17/01/19 11:39 PM
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Yes. Coming from a 40+ year old gym guy who is in a LTR with a 24year old fitness model, who brings home other 20-somethings for threesomes. Fitness, along with confidence and being emotionally-centered is the single most important aspect of game.
/r/seduction17/01/19 10:54 PM
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Join a gym tomorrow. lift weights for one hour. Go home, dress up, and go to the bar. Approach women you like. Do this every other day and night for the next few months, then go up to a woman at the anime convention you think is cute and say "hi". but by then you'll probably have a girlfriend. ;)
/r/seduction17/01/19 07:24 AM
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Improve your gym game (weights). I find college-aged women are more visual. They'll often bolt new relationships for more masculine men. Women also develop faster mentally than men, so being emotionally-centered, fun and chill is huge. ANY woman, age 20-50, understands VERY VERY WELL when a bull elk enters the room. your competition is not other men. Your competition is not the women. It's you.
/r/seduction17/01/19 07:21 AM
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It really doesn't matter. I'm 40+, in a LTR, open relationship with a 20-something. I prefer 20-somethings in general because it's rare to find a woman over 30 who really takes care of herself in my town the way I do. ​ Personally, any woman below 20 is too young IMHO for my age. I find that good gym game (weights) has women of all ages interested, and when kino happens, they initiate 100% of the time. I have a very strict standards list for the women I sleep with and keep in my life. they have …
/r/seduction17/01/19 07:08 AM
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Who gives a shit? ​ When you talk to women and approach, you are doing it to see if THEY are good enough for YOU. and to entertain YOURSELF. You're not a god damn court jester. Those guys are the worst kind of catty fucking beta males that never get laid. ​ Improve your gym game, weights 3-4x a week. Read more than you watch TV. Keep your emotions controlled. Talk less, be more honest with women when you do talk.
/r/seduction17/01/19 06:53 AM
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Better gym game, read more books than you watch TV, talk less, be more honest when you are talking.
/r/seduction17/01/19 06:49 AM
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"Well you might be a part time lesbian" said with a playful smirk. "If you looked like a boy I wouldn't text you back" said with a playful smirk. ​ Always keep early courtship light and playful. Anything else shows you never get laid.
/r/seduction17/01/19 06:48 AM
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Decent weight training at the gym 3-4x per week, 1 hour a pop will sexualize you in women's eyes before you say a word. However, gym game only works to initially attract women. From that point on you have to control your emotions, be confident, and honest. By "honest" I mean just say what you think. "Hey, you kinda do it for me, let's grab a drink at bar x, 9pm".
/r/seduction17/01/19 06:45 AM
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you're overcomplicating this. ​ Text her this: Netflix and beer at my place tonight.
/r/seduction16/01/19 08:21 PM
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Date a 3 if you want needy.
/r/seduction16/01/19 08:18 PM
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This is a beginners forum though. Keep it simple. Dates are for evenings in relaxed, appropriately-lit environments at the end of the work day.
/r/seduction15/01/19 03:40 AM
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1st date went well, 'coffee' turned into hours of good conversation. ​ you're friend-zoning yourself with coffee dates and hours of chatting. ​ Lots but not all signs of flirting from her, hair touching, eye contact, smiling a lot, neck extending/displaying, happy to be touched (arms/shoulders), touched me once or maybe twice, held hands walking back to the cars, hugged at the end. 2nd date planned, dinner. ​ you friend-zone yourself when you hug instead of going for the kiss on a first date. ​ …
/r/seduction14/01/19 01:30 AM
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i went into Walmart and bought a cheap Remmington "beard groom kit" for $19. It has several different plastic blades. I experimented with them over several months. I look okay clean shaven, but I def noticed women responding more to stubble head. A size"0" to "1" on the Remington beard groomer kit seems to work best for me, where as the blade by itself with no plastic guard is too clean shaven. I use it for my beard, too. and find "1" to "2" best for me.
/r/seduction13/01/19 11:48 PM
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as nice split between fiction and non-fiction. 60-40%. Just doing this alone will increase vocabulary and organic conversational skills. To start, focus on books on sexual techniques and great fiction.
/r/seduction13/01/19 10:14 PM
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Lifting weights at the gym.
/r/seduction13/01/19 09:56 PM
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STOP making fucking coffee dates, for one thing, unless you're a celebrity. Sterile, corporate environments with grandmas, bad lighting, and the anxious hustle of a workday. ​ No. ​ Bars work for a fucking reason.
/r/seduction13/01/19 09:20 PM
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Lift weights at the gym, read more books than TV, talk less.
/r/seduction13/01/19 09:18 PM
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I was the same as you, great head of hair until 28. I struggled with the idea of shaving it and tried to hide it. The end result was the thinning hair made me look older and creepier than I was. I started seeing a 24 year old bartender who looked like a cross between a porn star and a 50's hollywood actress. On the first night she straddled me onthe couch, ripped my hat off and said "shave it". Scared the hell out of me at first, but it was the best thing I ever did. I instantly looked YOUNGER a…
/r/seduction13/01/19 09:08 PM
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women are hornier and dirtier than most men. but they will fear showing it if a man is insecure and inexperienced at talking about, and acting on a woman's fantasies. It's why when you have good gym game, read a lot, and can give women orgasms while not being insecure, women will pretty much think about you forever.
/r/seduction13/01/19 09:02 PM
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Huh? ​ a girl is texting you in the morning and sending you booty pics. ​ Anytime a woman texts you in the morning it's a wicked good sign. ​ Just invite her to your place for Netflix and beer.
/r/seduction11/01/19 09:49 AM
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A lot of women these days extend college because they have to work, too. So I generally mean 20-27. This is the age of woman I primarily date. I'm 40+, but keep in good shape and have reached Amused Mastery, which means I have my pick of women in that range. Gym game is so good at getting them first interested (masculinity that speaks for itself) Then when you're a chill, relaxed guy who's positive, honest (otherwise known as charm), they get hooked even more. Good bedroom skills seals the deal,…
/r/seduction09/01/19 10:24 PM
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Yep. It stinks, but it's true.
/r/seduction09/01/19 10:05 PM
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College aged women are more visual-oriented than older women, IMHO. ​ This is why good gym game is crucial. The effects are hilarious.
/r/seduction09/01/19 09:44 PM
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really tried to keep the texts light because once you have her interested they can really only fuck things up. She seemed to enjoy them though. Like I was saying everything was perfect up until the actual date. We were both over invested. ​ Know how to tell when a woman is invested? She unzips your pants. Everything else is bullshit. ​ ​ ​ What hurt was getting my number and okc blocked after a simple question. ​ My friend, it was more than that. You asked too many questions, moved way too fast.…
/r/seduction09/01/19 09:40 PM
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improve gym weights game.
/r/seduction09/01/19 09:45 AM
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Towards the end of the date she says she doesn’t want a relationship because she may start a job as a traveling nurse. I knew this was bullshit so I texted her after asking what the truth was. ​ This is what did it, man. That's way too much investment, too much neediness on a first date, and too much negativity. ​ You're in a raw place, and rightfully so. I'm wishing you a good healing. and always keep texts light and fun in early courtship. ​ I have leaned the hard way as well that over investm…
/r/seduction09/01/19 09:40 AM
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Cut to a year later now we match on tinder made some jokes and got her number but it was pretty plutonic. We were texting about something and she joked about how me getting some tattoo got her “hot and bothered”. ​ Uh...that's not platonic talk. ​ she was like “give me a tour of your room.” ​ Translation: "If you go for the kiss and you're even the slightest good kisser I'm going to be grinding on you, and maybe more." ​ I would put my hand on her shoulder or leg when telling her something and i…
/r/seduction19/12/18 09:59 AM
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Three dates is way too fucking long with no kiss attempt. Also, be mindful of projecting how you felt on the dates to HER. Do you know how to tell for sure when a woman had a great date with you? She unzipped your pants. ​ That's when you know that the woman was having a great time - comfortable, turned on, sexualized, carefree, warm, receptive, relaxed. But if you suck in bed, a 9/10 willl bounce you without remorse.
/r/seduction19/12/18 08:05 AM
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It has nothing to do with "smooth". It has everything to do with brevity, honesty, and confidence. What do I mean by that? Example: Nice guy texting a girl versus confident guy via text. Nice guy: Hi, how's your day? I really enjoyed talking with you earlier!!!!! Girl: Hi. I'm good I guess. Confident guy: Hey this is Tim, the charming bastard from the bar. Girl: Heyyyyy Tim. Nice Guy: So, what's your favorite movie? Girl: Dirty Dancing. Nice Guy: Cool! I like ROADHOUSE!!!!! CONFIDENT GUY DOESNT …
/r/seduction12/12/18 07:24 AM
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Women are more impressed by the lone bull elk, comfortable in his own skin than frat boy spike bucks who travel in packs.
/r/seduction10/12/18 07:43 AM
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Science doesn't care if you agree. And let's be honest, seduction is science when done effectively.
/r/seduction09/12/18 06:46 AM
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Exactly. At least at first. But if either of those guys was emotionally-uncentered over time, even with their good looks and fame a socially valuable woman would leave. ​ #1 reason why men fail at early courtship and LTR is losing control of their emotions on a consistent basis.
/r/seduction09/12/18 04:02 AM
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flirting works on every race, every religion. Biology supersedes human constructs.
/r/seduction09/12/18 02:04 AM
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My girlfriend (18 F) and I (19 M) have been dating about a month now. ​ ​ She's not your gf. One month is still early courtship. ​ Over that time I've noticed that around 80% of the time I'm reaching out to her which gets me really upset ​ ​ this proves my last comment perfectly. a woman who wants to be exclusive with you will reach out more than you. She's not your gf yet, you're still in early courtship mode. ​ I've told her how I feel multiple times but have just now realized that doing so co…
/r/seduction09/12/18 02:03 AM
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Women only say "I don't want a relationship" to men who don't blow their minds. If you are good in bed, emotionally-centered, really fit, read a lot, and are confident, you're going to need a broom to keep women away.
/r/seduction09/12/18 01:59 AM
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"But men with thinning hair fared far worse than either bald men or those with a full head of hair." "The message from this research seems clear: If you are going bald, embrace it. It really is a case of all or nothing." https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-mating-game/201612/do-women-find-bald-men-be-more-attractive Science is a bitch! Thinning hair makes men look older, weaker, and creepier than they really are. I had to make that hard decision years ago. A really, really beautiful bart…
/r/seduction08/12/18 06:27 AM
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Tinder or the app called 3nder. Also, I like to let my gf just go into the club herself (or I'll chill and hang at the bar and not be at her side inside) I'll chill and do something else and she'll come out with a woman, or text me to meet her inside. ​ It makes it a fun game.
/r/seduction08/12/18 12:12 AM
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Lone wolf game is great game. It means you are progressing towards Amused Mastery, which is the ultimate goal in all this. ​ Good gym game is essential for lone wolf (or at least low carb). Low carb diet will help pop those cheekbones and jawline, makes you look rugged and masculine. If you combine that with nice arms and shoulders, making sure you shaved your head if you have thinning hair and non-faded clothing, you will often have women approaching you. And women at bars/clubs will almost ALW…
/r/seduction08/12/18 12:09 AM
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I love this!
/r/seduction08/12/18 12:01 AM
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Foreplay is king. If a man knows what he's doing with his fingers, a women will rarely say "let's wait".
/r/seduction03/12/18 10:23 PM
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Eh, is it really going slow to not kiss on the first date when it's also the first time you met each other? ​ ​ Yes. A first date without a kiss attempt is a failed date. ​ ​ ​
/r/seduction03/12/18 10:20 PM
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Good cheek bone definition/facial structure, symmetrical mouth, big eyes, long hair.
/r/seduction03/12/18 10:09 PM
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That date was way too fucking long. Don't do anything. The woman got on top of you and made out with you while grinding. She'll text you more than likely. The thing about women is they hold onto small things for FAR LESS TIME than men. Men get all neurotic and crazy over tiny shit. The longer time passes from the date, the more she'll think about the grinding and kissing and the less about the other stuff.
/r/seduction03/12/18 10:08 PM
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My girlfriend want to open our relationship. Basically she doesn't care if I fuck other girls and she want to fuck other guys. How to deal with it? We are in love with each other and we live together. I just hate the idea of she being fucked by other guy. ​ If this is what she wants, you have to accept whether you can live with it. For me, the *idea* of an open relationship is attractive and a turn on. My gf says I can do what I want as long as I love her. She's very much about making sure I'm h…
/r/seduction03/12/18 10:02 PM
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She doesn't have to like you both equally she just has to like your FWB enough to have a threesome. Once they start going at it, normally things are so intense that the other will not care about going further as long as you keep it chill and fun. If you are especially fit or well endowed, this will also change her opinion sometimes as the evening progresses.It also helps big time to film everything. the girls will want to put on a show. Camera's are also the best way to start the damn things, lo…
/r/seduction03/12/18 08:39 AM
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One hour.
/r/seduction02/12/18 01:14 AM
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Translation: I dumped my bf because he let his emotions get the best of him and started trying to control me. If she didn't like you, she'd ignore you, or say "Im not looking for anything right now". ​ So you still have a shot.
/r/seduction02/12/18 01:13 AM
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Does the bull elk worry about feeding on the mountain slope alone?
/r/seduction02/12/18 01:11 AM
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OP, I commend you for approaching and getting the number. Many guys here can't even do that, so part of your game is "on". The reason why I'm giving your posts so much time is because if you fix your text game, you'll do really well. But man, you GOTTA get your emotions out of your texts and out of the texting process. ""What about, “(name) I know a place with some delicious coffee and chill vibes. You should join me. Are you around on Wednesday (or whatever day)?”" Look at the text examples I g…
/r/seduction01/12/18 11:53 PM
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I sucked my teeth reading that. As soon as I saw that "rather not BS" I sucked my teeth. You're so "balls in your court." Come on dude. The ball is in YOUR court, not hers. Stop giving her the ball. Nevermind the typo "though", it's so bleh. Why coffee? Go to the bar and get a drink. Go out to have fun--not witty banter. Are you trying to just talk to this woman? Come on man. DUDE. Take a seat back and really look at your whole angle. It's like you just want to talk with this woman. STOP!!!!! ​ …
/r/seduction01/12/18 11:17 PM
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What do you think of this as a last resort text? “Hey X, rather not BS. Though your vibe seemed cool and wanted to grab a coffee. If you’d be open to more witty banter let me know. Otherwise enjoy the holidays “? (Or alternative: “either way, let me know” for closure) ​ HOLY SHIT this is fucking terrible. Have you read ANYTHING ANYONE posted in this thread? You're not controlling your emotions in your texts, both in the context of mundane texting and now, in this text, needy and apologetic texti…
/r/seduction01/12/18 11:08 PM
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Honestly? It doesn't matter. this is a seduction forum. All that matters is the conversation is fun for both of you. IMHO, after having been around the block, the goal of all this is to find a woman who absolutely knocks your socks off, for YEARS. For the OP, part of that equation is that she be intelligent and able to have deep conversations. That's a WORTHY GOAL. ​ However, if the OP goes into every date with that requirement, he's simply not going to succeed consistently. also, it's quite pos…
/r/seduction01/12/18 11:00 PM
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The reasoning for texting so much bc this set was literally like a 3 minute set and barely had any qualification or anything so I figured to text a bit more for comfort. ​ Stop analyzing WHY you did what you did, and instead listen to men who are better at it than you. ​ The reason I did the "we'll see, talk later" thing was bc of the text before, "Well then we probably wouldn't have met so things work out" and her response of "lol I guess so" which sounded super luke-warm to me. ​ "We'll see, t…
/r/seduction01/12/18 06:40 AM
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Enjoyed the brief banter X" ​ REDUNDANT. She knows you did. "It was nice meeting you too" ​ REDUNDANT. She knows you think this. ​ "You said you were an X major or X major?" "X major" "Cool, you must be good at XYZ lol" "I try my best not to X, but sometimes it doesn't work" "Well you seemed pretty chill when we talked... is your X studying at X too?" "Yeah X is" "Nice, you guys must be pretty close not to XYZ then" "Lol yeah its more comfortable" ​ YOU DONT CARE ABOUT HER SCHOOL WORK. this is p…
/r/seduction01/12/18 01:04 AM
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"Charm" is basically just saying what you're thinking. THERE ARE NO MAGIC STEPS. ​ The charming guy versus the nice-guy: You're next to a woman at a bar. She has on this killer tight top that pops her cleavage and makes her ass look super fit classic v-shape that fit women have. I mean...it looks REALLY good and it's all you can think about while you talk to her. ​ Here's what the nice guy does while he sees and thinks all that: "So, what classes are you taking this semester?" Here's what the ch…
/r/seduction29/11/18 09:37 PM
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Yes, most of the time for me. ​ women don't care if you're drinking or not.
/r/seduction29/11/18 09:32 PM
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If she could debate around a topic without throwing a emotional fit, I see that as an attractive trait. I wanna connect with someone over common interests, not because just because of her appearance. ​ Early courtship is about positive emotions. When enough positive emotions are exchanged over time, the woman asks for an exclusive relationship. More often than not the common interest in early courtship is that she thinks you're hot, and you think she's hot. If you go into a date thinking a woman…
/r/seduction29/11/18 08:50 PM
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Take a sticky note and write this on it: "Am I texting her too much? Am I sending negative emotions? Are my texts too long?" ​ Tape it TO YOUR PHONE. These training wheels will force you to learn to control your emotions. Neediness is an uncontrolled emotion, and over-contacting and emotional barfing up on text is a form of it too. By controlling one element of neediness, you will control the rest. When it is under control, you'll be able to keep more beautiful women in your life, and the abunda…
/r/seduction29/11/18 09:39 AM
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Ask her out for a drink. If she says yes, enjoy the drink and ask her home. If she says no, see other women.
/r/seduction29/11/18 09:36 AM
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1.Put down phone Go to gym, lift weights. read more than you watch TV Approach women in stores and bars you're attracted to. Be confident and honest and to-the-point. Seduce the women who are into you, improve bedroom skills. ​ Rinse, repeat. ​ In nowhere in that list is "desperately chase women you've never met in real life on social media".
/r/seduction29/11/18 09:34 AM
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Do nothing except meet up and have fun. You;ve barfed up your feelings very early. Sex-positive, 9's and 10's EAT MEN ALIVE for this, and will next you with no mercy. Don't bring it up again. Socially valuable women want a little challenge in early courtship.
/r/seduction29/11/18 09:31 AM
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#1 cause of women rejecting a man all the time = you're fat (make sure your waist is under 36 inches at the belly button with a tape measure). #2 cause of women rejecting a man all the time = bad hygiene (including thinning hair) and clothing #3 cause of women rejecting a man all the time = emotionally-uncentered behavior (over-texting, blowing up her phone too much, writing novels of emotion over text, jealousy,anger, controlling behavior).
/r/seduction29/11/18 05:16 AM
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I absolutely hate small talk. I prefer deep meaningful and controversial conversations. ​ Early courtship is about fun. So if you want to get into deep conversations, find a pal. ​ ​ I wish I could talk to any attractive woman like I do with friends. Why can't I? The opener wouldn't be complicated but her response would take a dip in her personal values and insights about topics that I care about. ​ Wow this sounds boring! ​ Are you looking for a debate partner or a lover? ​ ​
/r/seduction29/11/18 05:12 AM
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Going back the second time within a few hours was a bit creepy. It's similar to "lingering" in a club or bar. Make a move RIGHT AWAY if you see a woman you like.
/r/seduction29/11/18 05:10 AM
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You: come on by tonight for Netflix.
/r/seduction29/11/18 05:08 AM
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the actions of a very emotional and fragile man.
/r/seduction29/11/18 05:05 AM
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but many times when you go to a casual dinner, or a bar or a coffee place is not possible to play the game and escalate to a sexual attraction that is one of the key factors for 2nd date. Nope, this is an excuse. Sexual attraction is created by a combination of good gym ethic and "shocking honesty". By saying what you're thinking, you're displaying honesty, charm, confidence, and sexualizing at once. Always go for the kiss on first dates if you like the girl. ​ ​ ​
/r/seduction29/11/18 02:05 AM
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The next day is a refresh unless it's sexual or plans. ​ Never be afraid to not continue a text conversation with a woman. My current LTR of three years told me this two months in: "I've never been with anyone like you, Gnome. I don't feel obligated to have a long text conversation with you. It's attractive". That says it all.
/r/seduction28/11/18 09:32 AM
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I say okay and she actually says we should smoke after finals. So I said cool. Now later she post on snap pics of her at a restaurant. Should I say something to her? ​ You don't say a damn thing. That's a scarcity mindset, and you've never had sex with her let alone in a relationship. I'd only say something if I was six months in with a girl I REALLY liked, and maybe not even. ​ in early courtship, text women like you have three naked women in your bed. Would a man who has three naked women in h…
/r/seduction28/11/18 09:27 AM
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Depends on where you're fucking up. Some things can be addressed by reading and repetition. Other weaknesses are clueless blind spots. For example, perhaps the biggest blind spot for men is phone/text game. Which is why I have a real time coaching program for that.
/r/seduction28/11/18 09:25 AM
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I felt uncomfortable with the silence and kept on asking questions to a point that even I felt tired. ​ EMBRACE silence on dates. It shows you are confident in your own skin and don't need to entertain her. Also, silence and space builds TENSION. ​ At a point, I felt that my flurry of questions had dampened whatever spark there was. How do you tame the urge to fill silences? What can I do to not find myself in such a situation again? ​ It's a scarcity, lack of abundance and insecurity thing that…
/r/seduction25/11/18 09:40 PM
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One hour with a woman is enough to know if she's worth a second date! Be more firm and congruent and know what you want. ​ You went on the second date because of scarcity. Live and learn.
/r/seduction25/11/18 09:38 PM
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Yes.
/r/seduction25/11/18 09:03 PM
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This! ​ All of the guys texting her are saying "how's your day" and chit-chatting. ​ Your response when she texts you: "Uh-oh, someones been thinking about me..." ​ Stand out from the plethora of lame, boring ass nice guys who are terrified of rejection so they crouch it in fals intentions and boring chit chat. You want her eyes to LIGHT UP when she reads your text, and the quickest way to to that is tease and challenge her unlike the lame douchebags.
/r/seduction24/11/18 06:14 AM
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Put the fucking phone down, lol. You're looking for excuses to use it, because you feel like you'll lose her. This is the opposite of abundance mentality. ​ There are a lot of bad youtube PUA guys who advocate "maintaining the spark" over text, but it's complete bullshit. the TENSION is BUILT in the SPACES, not in your fucking incessant contact. ​ If a woman agrees to a specific time and place on a day, assume she'll show up, because you're the prize, and there are always more women. If she does…
/r/seduction24/11/18 05:40 AM
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I didn't get the message with her text
/r/seduction24/11/18 02:01 AM
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NOT texting is what builds tension, lol. Just use text for a quick hello and then arrange a meet. Keep texts positive, short, and free of negative emotions. Women LOVE this. Because most guys barf up their emotions over text.
/r/seduction24/11/18 01:58 AM
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Hey
/r/seduction24/11/18 01:58 AM
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What is the last thing she texted you word for word? I might be able to save this.
/r/seduction24/11/18 01:50 AM
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Really? A sterile, corporate environment in the middle of the day with grandmas snacking on brownies with their grandkids wasn't conducive to seduction? ​ GUYS stop fucking making god damn coffee dates. This shit needs to be pinned.
/r/seduction24/11/18 01:26 AM
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"I'd miss me too."
/r/seduction24/11/18 01:25 AM
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Your the man, so lead. Women will often mirror the vibe of the man (and I don't say this in a negative way, they are more emotional than men and creatures of their current environment more than men are). ​ Her: I went grocery shopping today. you: Did you handle any bananas?
/r/seduction24/11/18 01:24 AM
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Yeah I went on a couple dates with this chick that was a straight 10/10 and the day before we were supposed to go out again she cancelled saying she had a blast but doesn't feel the sexual attraction. ​ Yep. Two dates without verbal or physical escalation is pretty much friend zone.
/r/seduction24/11/18 01:24 AM
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Regarding hair: my hairline started receding at age 17, but I didn’t start >shaving my head til 23. And you are absolutely spot on. This is such a >mean way to say it, but I’m saying like, I went from only attracting the >occassional 4 or 5 to fooling around with multiple solid 6’s and 7’s >regularly. Yep. Turns out there are less available options when you are almost 30 and >divorced. Who knew? It just means you need to up your clothing and fitness game. 30's to 40's should be your peak. fit 20…
/r/seduction23/11/18 09:14 AM
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Next time she texts you invite her over for beer and Netflix the same night. If she says no, withdraw your attention for a few days. If she says yes, give her a passionate kiss as soon as she sets her purse down. ​ you're over-complicating this.
/r/seduction23/11/18 08:39 AM
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I'm in my 40's and honestly I'm mostly attracted to women from 21-34 (mainly because there are so few women my age who are fit). So it works both ways. It's just a personal preference. I'm not sure I'd label it a kink, as a kink conveys an outlier aspect. And yes, it has had families of the women I date a bit confused about their daughters, but I think fit people are just attracted to fit people regardless of age.
/r/seduction23/11/18 06:11 AM
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We men have a couple advantages. First, women prefer a great body, confidence, and emotional-centered behavior over Ken Dolls. this means that if most men simply get off the couch and improve, they have a good chance attracting women the'yre attracted to. how? ​ Gym, with focus on weights 3-4x a week for an hour. Lower your carbs to reduce face bloat, I suggest under 80 grams a day to start until you put on more muscle (and you can get away with more cheat days). also, scientific studies PROVE t…
/r/seduction23/11/18 06:05 AM
1

Same fucking game as Chicago, or Timbuktu, or Ireland. Sleeping with women will not "hurt" your image, it will only make other women want you more.
/r/seduction22/11/18 08:38 AM
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You don't need to dance to sleep with women, lol. I don't dance. women will grab me to dance and I'll shake them off. I'm just not into it.
/r/seduction22/11/18 08:37 AM
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You: Let's grab a drink later. Her: okay. Then you seduce her. ​ Her: No. ​ Then you meet other women. ​ You;ve created all this drama in your head.
/r/seduction22/11/18 08:36 AM
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Withdraw your attention when women become toxic to you. It doesn't mean you have to break up with her.
/r/seduction22/11/18 08:33 AM
1

It starts with proper grammar?
/r/seduction22/11/18 08:31 AM
1

Either you had sex and she didn't like it, or you haven't escalated, and she;s blowing you off now for other orbiters who are more confident.
/r/seduction21/11/18 10:29 AM
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Gym, hit the weights 3-4x a week. Cut carbs to reduce face bloat. If your hair is thinning, shave your head and own it. Purchase non-faded clothing (shirts with collars). Read more books than you watch TV. focus on your career, and a passionate hobby or two. Every time you see a woman you're attracted to in a store or bar, approach and say hi. If you can't get these women out on dates, approach a lower tier. Seduce the women who are cool with you, improve your bedroom skills. Bitterness gone. ​ …
/r/seduction21/11/18 10:27 AM
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Just invite her over for Netflix as soon as the next time she texts you. If she says yes, she's likely down for fun. If she says no, see other women. ​ You're making this way too complicated. ​ Friend-zone or not, it's a good sign when a woman texts you. Call her on her bluff like a bull elk would. But don't get upset if she says no, just give her far less of your time.
/r/seduction21/11/18 10:23 AM
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Men's prime is being a senior both at HS and college. Although handsome and popular men will have their prime throughout their educational years. Afterwards there's no such a concentration of women anymore, and women are already over their experimentation and have the jaded "been there, done that" attitude to casual sex. ​ This is nonsense, lol.
/r/seduction21/11/18 10:19 AM
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Age doesn't matter for men. Fitness does. ​ ​
/r/seduction21/11/18 10:18 AM
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Stop with the fucking coffee dates unless you're a celebrity. Arrange dates in the evening, share a drink or two, see if you click within an hour. Speak honestly to your date, keep the yapping at 30% you, 70% her. don't be afraid of silence...it conveys you are comfortable in your own skin and not a desperate court jester there to entertain her. like 99% of men. If you like her, ask he home within the hour. If not, say it was "nice meeting you", and leave.
/r/seduction21/11/18 10:17 AM
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No problem. Honesty is the most effective tool in the toolbox other than good gym ethic. No need for long boring stories, no need to monologue. No need to "impress". Honesty, in one sentence, conveys confidence, playfulness, and sexualizes orgnically in a few words. It's extremely effective.
/r/seduction20/11/18 12:57 AM
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Simply say what you're thinking. There are no "tricks" or "steps". It's simply being COMFORTABLE enough in your own skin (confidence) to say what you think. This also shows lack of outcome dependency. honesty in social situations, when said in a relaxed chill way is also known as "charm". You don't need to talk forever. What you are thinking probably IS the playful and fun stuff, and your filter and insecurity is blocking that part of you from coming out due to fear of rejection and a reliance o…
/r/seduction19/11/18 11:31 PM
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The context is initiating kino, not approaching. Obviously, a man will need to approach more often to get results (unless he's achieved the top-end level of amused mastery, clean dress, and fitness, in which he'll have women approaching him more often than he approaches if he so chooses...especially in bar/club settings). Personally, I never have to initiate kino. Women love getting handsy on a fit guy. If women aren't getting handsy A LOT with a man in bar/club settings, it's a sign of needing …
/r/seduction17/11/18 11:30 PM
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How to React to the statement: “We’re not having sex.” 1. Appear Completely Unphased This is the most critical rule of all. Below we’ll cover options regarding what to say or not say. Regardless of your actual response, your face and body language has to appear as if this statement is completely expected. Like you’ve heard it 1,000 times (and gotten laid 999 of those times). ​ This is 100% spot on.
/r/seduction17/11/18 08:32 PM
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However, women will rarely lead this dance, so you must take the lead. This couldn't be more wrong. When a man is fit (especially following a decent weight routine at the gym), women will initiate *consistently*. Kino is by its very nature feminine, and if a man is doing what he's supposed to do with his confidence, wit (honesty) and fitness, he never has to do it. I advocate, for inexperienced men, to engage in a consistent fitness routine, lower carb diet, and to go for the kiss" rather than c…
/r/seduction17/11/18 08:26 PM
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The girl was rubbing your chest. Go for the date. You don't care about outcome, remember? ;)
/r/seduction17/11/18 03:18 AM
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Online game is for when you have the basics of IRL game down. Then online game is easy. But I still wouldn't recommend DMing unknown women. Those guys usually have FB os IG accounts with no women in any of the photos.
/r/seduction17/11/18 12:12 AM
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So she comes up to me at the bar and starts rubbing my chest. We speak platonically for about a minute and then I leave because I need to go meet up with a friend. ​ you cock blocked yourself. If a woman is rubbing your chest, and you like her, it's time to isolate. Car, alley, your house, whatever. Instead you were thinking about your pal? Nice guys tend to do this and cock block themselves. ​ ​ About 45 minutes later I'm walking back to the bar to get a drink and she spots me and pulls me over…
/r/seduction17/11/18 12:10 AM
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When a man finds himself DMing unkown women, I recommend these steps: Put down phone. Go to gym. lift weights. Buy non-faded clothes. Start conversations with women in grocery stores and bars. Read more books than you watch TV. Seduce the women you meet, improve bedroom skills. Rinse, repeat.
/r/seduction17/11/18 12:02 AM
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we texting and I never did beyond saying her she's very beautiful often ​ And that's why your roommate is having sex with her, and you're not. There's no pity to be had. Lesson learned. Next time a woman gives you her number, set up a meet within the first three texts. THERE IS A REASON experienced men give this advice. ​ Also, don't tell a woman she's beautiful all the time. Makes you look sad. True story: once I was with a beautiful woman in my car. She got a IG DM from a guy telling her she w…
/r/seduction16/11/18 11:51 PM
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Hard to say without seeing your texts, and how many you've sent.
/r/seduction04/11/18 02:20 AM
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Eh. Story telling and monologues are the "Buzz Killington" of seduction. Kind of stuff that works in movies, not real life: ​ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y63B-5CWRU ​ Story telling is 90% of the time not an organic segue within the current environment. ​ Training yourself to tell a canned story to your wingman is desperate and lame, honestly. and it will come off that way with the woman.
/r/seduction04/11/18 02:16 AM
1

This simply means you're out of shape.
/r/seduction03/11/18 12:47 AM
1

The girls is sexting you. Just invite her over after dinner.
/r/seduction02/11/18 11:22 PM
1

The hot girl behind the counter doesn't look me in the eyes, bothered expression, strictly business, saying "is that all?" ​ If you;re a 6'2 34 year old male and women are doing that to you, you've likely got a combination of things going wrong for you: Balding, but too afraid to shave it and own it. This makes men look SOOOO much weaker and older than they really are, and there's something inherently creeper about a comb over or "hide my thinning hair" look. ​ You're fat. Get your carbs down to…
/r/seduction02/11/18 11:17 PM
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Start hooking up with 5's and 6's, enjoy sex. Get good at sex, get better with women, then start going for the 7's and 8's, etc as you'll be in a more experienced and relaxed frame.
/r/seduction02/11/18 11:13 PM
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Text her Sunday around 6pm with "Cool, let's grab a drink at Bar X, 9pm on Tuesday".
/r/seduction02/11/18 07:11 AM
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Also remember you didn't give a specific date on your ask out on this, in fact you never got to the asking out part. So you can hit her back earlier than a couple weeks. Just re-initiate with something new.
/r/seduction01/11/18 10:15 PM
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Ten hours is nothing, man. I know 20-something fitness models who will wait TEN DAYS to return a text. ​ Patience is really attractive. My general rule is if I ask a woman out and she doesn't respond, and she's REALLY HOT, I'll hit her up a couple weeks later with something like, "hey, thought I saw your twin driving a Mercedes down main street just now." (yes it's a canned line, but that's occasionally okay for texting). Beautiful women love this because it's a self-involved text, lol, they lov…
/r/seduction01/11/18 09:53 PM
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This was yesterday (Halloween) and the conversation went like this: Her- 4:15pm: 👻 Me - 4:26pm: Is this a ghost? | I’m scared of ghosts Her - 6:21pm: 👻👻👻 ​ You: Spooky girl, lol. ​ Me - 6:45pm: Just peed plz stop | Is it Lillian or Lily? ​ ​ "Peed"? No. Also, type out single words. IMHO, BTW, are okay. Single words, type out. ​ Stanky Pete? No. You're not twelve, right? ​ What does your late afternoon look like tomorrow? ​ ​ Afternoon? WTF? First, don't ask her if she's busy, second, don't make …
/r/seduction01/11/18 09:35 PM
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""Dude thanks for the break down. That definitely helps me analyze. Though, let's level, if she's into the kino, no matter how blatant it is, it's not awkward."" Depends. With younger, inexperienced women it may not matter as much. But awkward kino conveys to really fit, socially valuable women over 20 that you're not that great with women, and in some cases this will lessen attraction. Which is why I recommend hitting the gym 3-4x a week (women are horny little monsters when it comes to nice ar…
/r/seduction01/11/18 09:29 PM
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Okay, first of all, it might be worth it to say that she's from Africa (Kenya) and might still hold some of those cultural norms. ​ Science overrides cultural norms. Irrelevant. ​ Second outing, I asked if she's wanna go to a movie. She said she's down. Brought her to see a decent slasher film and paid for all her stuff which is no big deal. ​ Beta move. During the movie, we were sitting kind of apart, so I pulled up the cupholder separater, and physically positioned her legs more closely to be …
/r/seduction01/11/18 08:36 PM
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Not at all. Show passion and leadership. Go for the kiss right away!
/r/seduction01/11/18 01:44 AM
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100% spot on.
/r/seduction01/11/18 01:43 AM
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If you have time to turn on your TV, you have time to hit the weights at the gym.
/r/seduction01/11/18 01:42 AM
1

Stop with the dinner dates, guys. Too much, too soon. No woman who's fit wants to be trapped at a dinner with a guy they might not like. she's giving you a hint.
/r/seduction01/11/18 01:41 AM
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Gym. Read more books. put yourself out there more. Repeat.
/r/seduction30/10/18 10:33 PM
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My gf ordered a large dildo (9 inches) off amazon which came in the mail last week. ​ Bravo to your gf for being sex-positive and confident in her needs! That's hot. And any man who feels "threatened" by his girlfriend ordering and using a dildo is an insecure little baby who doesn't have enough experience with women to understand even their most common fantasies. ​ I myself am 5 inches hard. I didn’t really have a problem with this until she let slip that her ex was as big as this new dildo. ​ …
/r/seduction30/10/18 10:27 PM
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You're not reading my post correctly. Needy and uncentered behavior is toxic. Being shy isn't toxic.
/r/seduction30/10/18 09:32 PM
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And we chatted for over 2 hours. ​ Way too long. ​ ​ ​ Eventually she had to get back to her friends. However she lost track of her friends. We walked out the venue together, and I pretty much chatted with her until her friends showed up. ​ So? ​ ​ The next day, texted a little. She seemed very receptive at first. I then said, alright have a good one. DM me when you're in town. That was it. And later the day, she blocked me on snap. I confronted her about it, and she blocked my number. ​ You eit…
/r/seduction30/10/18 01:44 AM
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first, you never "hit it off". Do you know how to tell when you've really hit it off with a woman? She unzips your pants. ​ ​ I hit her up and made some small talk ​ zzzzzzzzz ​ followed by asking her how the week was looking and if she had any plans for the weekend. Aaand then I was left on read. You've got her on a pedestal. Don't ask a woman what her plans are BECAUSE YOU ARE THE FUCKING PARTY. ​ your IG exchanges in the future: ​ You: Your eyes are crazy (in a good way) in that latest pic. H…
/r/seduction30/10/18 01:37 AM
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Holy shit that's bad advice. 97% of guys are socially retarded, so they actually need to change and improve to see results. ​ Most guys have needy personalities and lack the ability to control their emotions. So they should remain that way? Fuck no. Those are toxic character traits and should be improved.
/r/seduction30/10/18 01:32 AM
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Haha yeah. I think watching out for redundancy is important early on. A woman knows if you're asking her out, you like her, lol. Redundancy with women shows a lack of experience with women, IMHO. And that's never attractive to women on the upper end of the scale, because let's be honest, they eat weaker men alive, and for fun. I've heard the conversations, seen the texts.
/r/seduction29/10/18 12:32 AM
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Yeah those aren't so bad. I was referring more to a first date scenario, like "hey I really like you and want to take you out".
/r/seduction29/10/18 12:25 AM
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As soon as she comes into your house and sets her purse down, go for a passionate kiss against the wall. Women are not dumb, so don't treat them as such. She knows why she's coming over. So should you. Passion is always good. Stop thinking about what kind of movie and the "mood" LOL!!!!!!!! holy shit that's overthinking. As if every single thing has to be perfect for the princess to kiss you. Take her off the pedestal and treat her as an equal.
/r/seduction29/10/18 12:22 AM
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third date in the three weeks, this is because we are busy with work and school. we’re 20, i’ve only gone as far as hugging when we meet and just walking close together, never held hands/kissed etc. ​ Third date and not even a kiss? ​ We’ll be at a gallery/exhibition type event and there’ll be lots to do/eat/see, how can i escalate and break the touch barrier? ​ ​ Why are you going on dates that make this difficult? Also, why are you on a third date at a gallery with a woman who's never kissed y…
/r/seduction29/10/18 12:21 AM
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Read Books. Lots of them. ​ ​ YEP. More books, less video games, less sports on TV. ​
/r/seduction29/10/18 12:18 AM
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congrats on shedding the weight. amazing how as soon as you hit a certain weight you started getting laid. That's how it works. As far as hiding the extra 30, the FASTEST way to do this is to get your carbs under 60 grams a day to remove water weight from your face. Your body will still have some extra weight, but your face will look taut. Join a gym and focus on weights. You can get a way with A LOT of bad eating if you spend a year or two building a strong muscular frame.
/r/seduction29/10/18 12:16 AM
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Telling a girl you like her is such weak game. I feel like you're just trying to be contrarian for no real reason, lol. The rest of what you said is good. But there's no defending "I like you" in early courtship.
/r/seduction28/10/18 11:02 PM
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Sure thing. There's this misconception in the seduction community that you have to be the "life of the party" the guy talking the most, the guy raising his glass, the guy making everyone laugh. But that's not real life. And in fact, if you pay close attention, there's a hint of desperation and neediness in that man's behavior. He's expending serious energy to get everyone's approval. The bull elk doesn't do that. He just goes about his business in a calm, centered way. Friendly, but not a puppy-…
/r/seduction28/10/18 12:18 AM
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I'll be turning 29 in a few weeks, and it has really hit hard me lately how old i'm getting and how fast time is passing by. ​ LOL! Does the bull elk whine about getting older? Nope. He just does his thing, and the harem follows. My concern is that your 30s are a different time in your life ​ Every new minute is a different time in your life. ​ Stop the pity party. and I'm not sure what to expect. Can I get as many women as I could in my 20s? ​ ​ that's up to you. If you get fat and embrace a TV…
/r/seduction27/10/18 09:40 PM
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I don't see what the problem is? If you have women spilling their life story to you whether on the phone or in person, invite them over.
/r/seduction27/10/18 09:21 PM
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No. Because being congruent with who you are is who you are.
/r/seduction27/10/18 09:18 PM
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but it seems whenever I talk too much my attractiveness goes way down. this is actually very common. It all depends on your frame. ​ ​ For example. Brought a chick back from a club one night. We slept together and the whole next week she drunk snaps me, texts, etc. next week rolls around and she BEGS me multiple times to go to a hockey game with her and friends. So I show up and we chat for a bit and after the game she says she’s going back to her place to get changed and will meet me at the bar…
/r/seduction27/10/18 09:15 PM
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"Let's continue this conversation at my place at 9. You bring the beer." ​ Then get the fuck off the phone. The phone is for light, brief and fun texts, and then for arranging meets. That's it. Even in LTR's this is great advice.
/r/seduction27/10/18 09:03 PM
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Never a good idea. Show, don't tell. and don't show through gifts, show through playfulness, teasing, fun, and sexuality.
/r/seduction27/10/18 09:02 PM
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I only date bi-sexual, sex-positive women. I'll get the occasional green light, or my gf will girl home. If this is important to you, find an open minded woman who shares your kind of sexual fantasies, and foster those fantasies through honest communication and great bedroom game.
/r/seduction27/10/18 12:17 AM
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It's best to keep it organic and riff off the room. No canned lines. Play the "hot or not" game with your date as people walk past. Ask her if she's bi. Ask her when the last time she had an orgasm was. Dare her to manipulate a guy for drinks, and have her bring the drinks back to you. The choices are endless. And none of that is boring nice guy bullshit.
/r/seduction27/10/18 12:15 AM
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Her: You act like a child. You (grinning): If you try to spank me, I'll return the favor. ​ Her: I do not like ironic people. You (grinning): You look hot in that shirt. ​ ​ EVERYTHING can be deflected into a more playful, light, and sexual zone. EVERYTHING. Amused mastery, emotional-centeredness and playfulness are the behaviors of a man who does very well with women.
/r/seduction24/10/18 04:27 AM
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I say nothing, sit back, and smirk. It's up to the woman. Plus, I'm kinda twisted in that I like to push boundaries and test my insecurities and jealousy levels. Sometimes, I'll let her be as flirty as she wants if she's feeling it. I like to date sex-positive and confident fitness oriented 20-somethings. And I know, as a man, that sometimes there are women I'm really attracted to, and she'll give me a green light. Hell, sometimes she brings girls home. It's just science. So if she wants to danc…
/r/seduction24/10/18 01:06 AM
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just keep doing what you're doing and she'll bring it up.
/r/seduction23/10/18 09:25 PM
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that vast majority of people find phone calls annoying as shit. ​ Yup. Reality.
/r/seduction23/10/18 07:07 PM
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Very old school advice that doesn't hold up with today's 20-somethings. Most younger women never check voice mails, and consider any calls intrusions. It's kind of like dinner and a movie and roses on a first date. Too much, too soon.
/r/seduction23/10/18 07:06 PM
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Red flag 1: she opens with this is her first Chipotle date. She likes being taken to nice restaurants. I laughed it off casually ​ ​ Early courtship is PLAYFUL and FUN. Never, ever serious. Live it, love it, repeat it. ​ Her: So, this is my first Chipotle date. You (grinning): Yeah it's a great tool for weeding out the gold diggers. You're saying EXACTLY what you're thinking, which is known as CHARMING HONESTY. See Hank Moody in Californication. It's also PLAYFUL and AMUSED MASTERY. Instead of t…
/r/seduction23/10/18 07:30 AM
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If you're having sex with a woman, and she's not blowing up your phone to see you, you gotta up your bedroom game. When women have orgasms, it releases a hormone called oxytocin, which makes them feel bonded to you. ​ The more orgasms you give, the more they feel bonded, the more they blow up your phone. If you start doing this and she's still cold, you have to look into potential neediness issues that are pushing her away, or inability to control emotions.
/r/seduction23/10/18 07:16 AM
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How much time do you think you should spend together to be realistic to expect she will be your girlfriend?3-4 times sounds enough for me. ​ It might be 3 to 4 times for women with no options, but socially valuable women will take longer to ask you for exclusivity. The less attractive a person is, the less time it takes to enter exclusivity.
/r/seduction23/10/18 07:01 AM
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Then I texted her sometime the next day about the sex, went to her place again and we fucked more. It was basically just this for a good few months: only texting to make plans for me to come over, maybe a random convo about some anime or something, not going on dates... ​ Do you know what that quoted text is? It's an emotionally-centered man letting a relationship unfold ORGANICALLY. It's no accident that was your longest relationship. Apply that same level to the hotter women, get those bedroom…
/r/seduction23/10/18 06:54 AM
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I think it's more voyeurism for me ,and seeing a woman I'm crazy about having pleasure. Cucks like to feel ashamed or diminished. Not my bag.
/r/seduction21/10/18 10:12 PM
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Okay, just like the women. ​ I'm always amazed when guys come on here and ask, "why won't women come near me", and then try to defend their terrible game. LOL. What's the point?
/r/seduction21/10/18 09:52 PM
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It's not about being cold always. Sometimes the girls have boyfriends, sometimes the girls promise themselves "no boys, girls bonding only tonight" before going out. ​ Occasionally, I'll go out with my gf to the bars or clubs, or with my gf and her friends. If I'm feeling particularly twisted and weirdly horny, I'll let her go flirt with anyone she wants, dance, kiss, etc. Freedom to me, and challenging insecurities are a big turn on. There have been times where a guy thinks "Oh man I'm going ho…
/r/seduction20/10/18 09:33 PM
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Spray a different cologne in each wrist, and ask people which they prefer and offer then your wrists. ​ That is so fucking lame, my friend.
/r/seduction20/10/18 09:29 PM
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Courting women you're attracted to is not dumb. But being too heavily invested so early with a woman, is.
/r/seduction19/10/18 08:03 PM
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Yep! Good attitude.
/r/seduction19/10/18 08:03 PM
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See I get what you are saying on a normal date, but I think the nuance >here is that we have a prior relationship. No you really don't. And that's where your neediness comes in. Being an occasional pal with a woman is NOTHING. It means nothing. And honestly, the only reason you were even pals with her is because you wanted to get into her pants. So the whole idea of "we had a friendship" is a lie you tell yourself to stay invested, or to try and somehow keep her invested. You have nothing with h…
/r/seduction19/10/18 08:02 PM
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She flakes on you because you're acting like a needy puppy dog.
/r/seduction19/10/18 05:54 AM
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Who cares? You aren't married or even in a relationship. This is early courtship, man. Chill.
/r/seduction19/10/18 05:52 AM
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So this girl is super hot and super coo ​ Translation = she eats weaker men alive, dispenses shit tests like Nazis dispense land mines. ​ ​ and we work in the same military command and we've had fun as friends but never sexual. I did the dumb thing and said "We would be better off as friends" instead of letting her know I'm interested. Why even say anything? There's no reason to go META in early courtship. ​ ​ She invited me to a movie and ice cream last Thursday (bad date I know) but flakes tha…
/r/seduction19/10/18 05:47 AM
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Me: Saturday at 6 at your place for movie night? Figure you cant be late at your own house :p ​ Super passive ask-out. You're approaching her like she's a lion, and you a sheep. ​ Me: Lol deal See you Saturday! Goodnight! Oh wow! I'm Talking! To a Girl! So I'm Going! To Use! Exlamation points! after! Every word! cause I'm a boy! not a man! ​ Her: No No Not if you think you're getting some Me: I enjoy spending time with you. Sex is just a bonus You fell into her frame and entered "explanation log…
/r/seduction18/10/18 10:53 PM
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It's amazing how toxic evangelicals are. Fuck those people. Low self esteem morons.
/r/seduction18/10/18 10:48 PM
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"Need ideas on how to play this out over FB?" Why would you think social media/texting would help you, when that's the medium that the girl ghosted you on? Like I said, show up at her work on your date.
/r/seduction18/10/18 06:43 AM
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It's obvious you're into her more than she is into you. Sucks. ​ Do you know what your best move is here? Nothing. Nothing at all. Ignore her for 48 hours. Every single text she sends. She's undervaluing right now, and MORE THAN LIKELY (lol) you have puished her awy with your neediness to be in a relationship. ​ here's the deal, man. Relationships happen ORGANICALLY. They happen when two people exchange enough positive emotions over a given period of time that compels them to be exclusive. This …
/r/seduction18/10/18 05:17 AM
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So there is a girl that I have a huge crush on and we are both part of an organization. We have seen each other about 5 or 6 times during events. Recently, I was flirting with her and told her that I liked her hair and took some pictures together. I sensed that she got blushed and smiled. She then send me the pics that we took and I replied that I really liked how we looked. She agreed. ​ lol at all this. I'm guessing you said "we sure look great together", which she took as you inferring a rela…
/r/seduction18/10/18 05:07 AM
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Eh Facebook won't work unless the woman is invested in you. And she's not. ​ However, if she's a hired gun, show up at her work on your date and let her see the woman smiling with you.
/r/seduction18/10/18 04:56 AM
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If they're into you abd having sex with you, you're in a better position than most guys here. ​ If you don't like being overweight, hit the gym and cut carbs. You're making this way more complicated than it is.
/r/seduction18/10/18 04:55 AM
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and I default to asking her what her major is or something. Nothing at all wrong with that. Common interests build bonds. I'd immediately go to questions about her degree and what she intends >to do with it to fill the space. That's kinda boring. Also, don't worry about "filling space". In fact not having to talk all the time to fill space is a sign of confidence and being emotionally-centered. And space is often where tension is built. It;s okay to let a conversation breathe. If she says she st…
/r/seduction14/10/18 04:29 AM
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Hit the gym, build muscle. Read more books than you watch TV. Dress decently. Have nice teeth, good hygiene. And when you start going to places alone, people will naturally gravitate towards you. Other guys who are there alone, women who are alone, groups of women, etc. ​ The bull elk just does his thing, and the spike bucks and harem follow him around.
/r/seduction13/10/18 11:00 PM
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My favourite conversations tend to be about things that interest me, like topics in philosophy (especially philosophy of mind and philosophy of science), physics and astronomy, politics, sociology, biology, and linguistics, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ​ flirt. Riff off the room. Sexual innuendo. It;s supposed to be fun, not a mainsplaining lecture. ​
/r/seduction13/10/18 10:58 PM
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If you love your gym, make it a no-gaming zone. And hilariously, this will actually increase your chances of women coming up to you outside the gym or tracking you down on social.
/r/seduction13/10/18 10:56 PM
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If she didn't give you her contacts, nor didn't stay the night after making out with you, she thinks you're a bad kisser. ​ Practice makes perfect!
/r/seduction13/10/18 10:54 PM
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Because they didn't have a great time. You are simply projecting YOUR great time onto her. Women who had a great time with you blow up your phone after the date. ​ also, four hours on a date is way, WAY too long unless she spent the night. I'm guessing you bored the shit out of her with too much talking, and then a very submissive kiss on the cheek. ​ She was attracted enough to you to go on a date with you. Then, on the date, you behaved in a way that killed her attraction completely. I have a …
/r/seduction13/10/18 10:23 PM
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I wrote a Tinder bio that made it clear I was interested in a hookup ​ You're a guy on Tinder. No need to say this, lol. Guys, check your shit for redundancy! It makes you look dopey and inexperienced with women This includes unnecessary texts, repeating yourself in person, stating the obvious and mundane, etc. ​ and talked to this one woman through texts where we arranged a dinner date. ​ ​ So you say you made it clear you're only itnerested in hooking up, yet agreed to a dinner date? Guys, pay…
/r/seduction13/10/18 10:22 PM
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You're slowly friendzoning yourself. ​ the next time a woman sits next to you on a sofa in a private environment and touches your leg, go for the kiss like a man would.
/r/seduction13/10/18 10:18 PM
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Selfies or cameras are always a great way to break the touching ice. Have your bf take a couple pics of you two, this will make you naturally get in closer to each other, look into each others eyes, twirl her hair with your fingers, etc. Works every time, lol. Or you can say "I love your hair, lets get a pic" and do it yourself. Use this as an opportunity to run your fingers down her back suggestively, etc. I'm a 40 year old male with a 20-someting gf who is bi. The camera always breaks the ice …
/r/seduction11/10/18 07:45 PM
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That mindset comes from a combination of experience and confidence. So you have to fake it until you make it. And not in a lame macho bravado way, but an emotionally-centered and confident way.
/r/seduction08/10/18 06:27 AM
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When a girl grabs your face with both hands and stares into your eyes in a nightlife type environment and not a surgical procedure or dental appointment, I'd go for the kiss.
/r/seduction08/10/18 06:26 AM
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How are the two mutually exclusive? Skillful social interaction will lead you towards more hookups, which will lead you towards seeing more women, which leads you hopefully towards better bedroom skills and abundance mentality, which leads you to find (and keep) the women you are truly attracted to. Eventually a man gets good enough at this that he starts finding, and keeping the women who REALLY do it for him.
/r/seduction08/10/18 03:13 AM
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Cringey is staying at the bar to 4am and not making any moves back to your place, lol. Then having to jerk off. Sucks! Women are very much of the moment. does that mean you could've taken that woman home? No, not necessarily. But you should at least try in a confident and respectful way. If you are vibing strong with a woman, there's nothing wrong with asking her home, our outside for a makeout. It's the natural adult conclusion when two people are attracted to each other and both are willing to…
/r/seduction08/10/18 03:10 AM
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If it's working for you, keep using it. And yeah, what I call "shocking honesty" works well for beautiful women who are use to ass kissers/pleasers. Honesty, confidence and congruency are not creepy. Hiding your intentions with Nice Guy Awkwardness is what's creepy.
/r/seduction08/10/18 01:42 AM
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It's a numbers game until you find a woman who ticks all your boxes. Most men would be happy to be in your position. Keep doing what you're doing. Once you find "your type", and can attract your type, you are reaching upper levels of social game. Keep improving bedroom game, confidence, career, honesty, confidence. Also, some towns have an abundance of certain types, some do not. For example, my type is liberal, sex-positive, good cheekbone definition, big eyes, long, feminine hair and athletic …
/r/seduction07/10/18 11:46 PM
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This is my biggest dilemma in the club. I would love to go alone and meet new people, but I also don't want to be viewed as a weirdo or creep who has no friends. ​ ​ The bull elk does not need the frat. NEVER worry about this. You are a bull elk doing his own thing, and women follow. You are comfortable in your own skin, you can make a good time for yourself. You do not need crutches. ​ As far as not taking one of them home (or both) your mistake was staying at the club until 4am. If you're feel…
/r/seduction07/10/18 11:41 PM
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All socially valuable women (fit women) have numerous male orbiters. always. Unless you want to date fat nuns. The only way you "deal with male orbiters" is by improving yourself consistently in: bedroom skills fitness (especially weight training) confidence emotionally-centered (playful rather than negative or clingy) honesty. otherwise known as "charm" Focused on career goals and hobbies. When you approach these kinds of levels across the board, a socially valuable woman will slowly fade her m…
/r/seduction06/10/18 05:55 AM
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How early do you go for the kiss? If I like a woman, as early as possible. Because the goal of a date is healthy, consensual sex, and truly getting to know someone in bed during post-sex talks. The goal is not to yap-yap-yap and get drunk in a bar all night, to the point a woman with an actual life and who's actually attractive (IE, she works, works out) starts getting tired because she is an actual independent, strong woman. If I went for a kiss, got a peck, and a woman said "I don't kiss on th…
/r/seduction04/10/18 11:40 PM
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Yeah ,that's good. Short, to the point, confident and displaying leadership.
/r/seduction04/10/18 11:31 PM
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Thank you. I'm not perfect nor would I win a speedo bodybuilding competition, but I do work out hard and stay built.
/r/seduction04/10/18 10:09 PM
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You will NEVER pick up a hot woman with a popular IG account if you do not have the core fundamentals established of non-text game. This includes fitness, honesty, confidence, and bedroom skills. ​ There are no shortcuts, my friend. YOUR FEET. Move them. ​ ​
/r/seduction04/10/18 07:23 PM
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While I agree that less is more in texting, triple texts make you look like a spazz. I'd edit that first text into ONE text, and change some things because it is BORING AS FUCK and overall lame. ​ Original version: Hey! it was great seeing you, I had a lot of fun today. That game we played was interesting. I'll have to show you more the next time we hang out. What are you doing this week? ​ Mine: Hey, I had fun today playing the game and checking out your ass during, lol. Let's hang out later th…
/r/seduction04/10/18 07:11 PM
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Get off Insta and go to the gym. After the gym, put on some decent clothes and go approach women in bars, clubs, grocery stores. ​
/r/seduction04/10/18 07:04 PM
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I love the gym, so I have a "no pickup" policy there unless it's blatantly obvious the woman is DTF right away, or she approaches me. Also, I don't have time to be the class clown at the gym and talk to everyone. I'm there to work out, then go about my career goals for the day, not sit around chatting with people, and I hope they'd feel the same.
/r/seduction04/10/18 07:02 PM
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what are your thoughts on me asking her if she has any friends that >might be interested in me or trying to get into her Social Circle somehow? This is weak, IMHO and not congruent with what you want (her). Always be congruent. When was the last text you sent, and what did it say? Only then can I advise what to text.
/r/seduction04/10/18 06:47 PM
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No, I'm just saying they shouldn't be 100% of what you read. It makes a person super self involved which is a weak character trait, IMHO. So reading balance is good.
/r/seduction04/10/18 05:50 AM
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You have to treat her in early courtship like the women you aren't that interested in. ​ Take a sticky note and tape it to your phone once you meet a woman like this. Write this on the note: ​ "Treat her like the women you are so-so with, just another woman." ​ Eventually you won't need to be trained this way, but it puts this idea in your head every time you pick up your phone before you text her.
/r/seduction03/10/18 07:50 PM
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this is the ultimate goal of pickup in my opinion. Yep. 100%.
/r/seduction03/10/18 07:49 PM
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Gym Approach more, more sex. Read more books than you watch TV (fiction, non-fiction more than self-help). Career focus. passionate hobbies. Say what you think in the presence of women (otherwise known as charm).
/r/seduction03/10/18 07:47 PM
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After we have sex, I'm always worried they just will ghost me after. So I'll sleepover, take them out for breakfast, we'll spend the entire next day together.. This is why you can't keep them around. Don't do this in early courtship. You are an ambitious man with shit to do.
/r/seduction02/10/18 08:41 PM
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What? No. I don't thank her. I text "I had a good time or a joke." Why the fuck would I thank her? she knows you had a good time, you came on her face. Let the woman breathe, let the experience breathe. Let her wonder a bit. Not texting her right away is the opposite of acting like a little puppy. What? Dude? Sex isn't rare for me at all. Why do you think that? I didn't say it was. But you blowing up a girls phone on the way to your car (you can't even make it home first you're so attached alrea…
/r/seduction30/09/18 10:55 PM
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Personally, I just can't say I agree with that. I guess we have different >views on it. If I have sex with her on a first date I make it a point to >leave and go home, text her as I'm walking to my car Texting her as you're walking to your car, like you need to thank the queen for sex? No, lol. That displays you don't have experience with women (even if you do), that sex is a rare thing for you and now you're soooo excited you finally got some that you can't wait to text her. Like a little puppy…
/r/seduction30/09/18 10:38 PM
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I still have to approach women 80%. but they'll always initiate kino. Takes a year in the gym of hard work to get them groping you on the regular, lol (arms, shoulders). building anything worthwhile always takes time and work. there are no short cuts. :) By reading lots of books, working out, practicing bedroom game on women (and yes I do recommend sleeping with women you may not be 100% attracted to because you'll then eventually know how to give orgasms to women who blow you away and then keep…
/r/seduction30/09/18 10:32 PM
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The whole waiting for her to text first. Usually I'll text a girl right after >a date (if we kiss/hookup) and say I had a good time. And then >distance out my responses. Don't wait too long and let her reach out to >you or the memories won't be fresh in her head anymore. That's an insecure frame. you are the fucking prize! always act that way. OF COURSE she'll remember you! Texting a woman you ahd a great time right after a date is feminine. You're acting like the woman, and she the masculine. I…
/r/seduction30/09/18 10:25 PM
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Gym, with emphasis on weight training. Text less, talk less. Shorter texts that are to the point. They see you as provider material because there's no mystery. You build mystery by remaining slightly aloof, using shocking honesty, having the patience of a tortoise (using space as a tool), and crafting a great body to the point they wonder what's underneath your shirt.
/r/seduction30/09/18 10:20 PM
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Disagree.
/r/seduction30/09/18 10:18 PM
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Yes, fake it until you make it and get the kind of abundance that automatically brings confidence. Think of something you're really good at, something you're proud of while interacting with women.
/r/seduction30/09/18 10:17 PM
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Of course. :) My program is pretty simple. I follow a few basic core rules for myself: Gym, with a focus on weights 3-4x a week, 1.5 hours a pop. I follow this with a diet of less than 80 grams of carbs a day. I do have cheat days and I do eat poorly on vacation every day or camping. Following this for years has set me apart from 99.9% of guys, and has women initiating kino with me. Honesty. Or what I call "shocking honesty". I just say what I think. This comes across as congruent, so there's no…
/r/seduction30/09/18 10:16 PM
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You're welcome. I'm 44, so I know what it's like. Here's the thing, age doesn't matter for men. fitness does. emotional maturity does. Confidence does. Bedroom skills do. ​ You're bothered by it because you have not created a level of abundance yet (IE options). As a 44 year old man, I only date fit twenty-somethings. I can do this because I take very good care of my body, and I'm confident, honest, and to the point with women. My current gf is a fitness model, and occasionally she brings home w…
/r/seduction30/09/18 08:38 PM
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Best way out of the friendzone is to work on yourself. Build an amazing body at the gym and 99% of the time that frees you from the "pal" zone.
/r/seduction30/09/18 08:29 PM
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Baby face is caused by too many carbs, which causes inflammation, which makes your face bloat with water weight. Get your carbs under 60 grams a day. If you have a weak chin and jawline, grow a neatly kept beard. ​ If you're balding, shave your head, experiment with a clean shave or a stubble head shave. The BEST way to get around baby face is to reduce carbs, put on muscle at the gym, shave head and grow beard. Not every woman will love this look, but MANY swoon over it.
/r/seduction30/09/18 08:26 PM
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Having a great body makes you good looking. Women care more about confidence, emotional maturity and a body than they do a face. As long as the face is bloat-free, which any guy can attain.
/r/seduction30/09/18 08:22 PM
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A date is a date. Ignore the friend shit on Tinder, etc.
/r/seduction30/09/18 08:19 PM
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Sure. I know you think she's a godddess and super hot, and it's GOOD to be excited about a woman. But treat her in your mind as an equal. I had a woman literally tell me the other night (a 9/10 level woman), "I prefer to be knocked off my pedestal then put on it".
/r/seduction30/09/18 08:17 PM
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Next her. Bad kissing is a non-starter for me.
/r/seduction30/09/18 07:38 PM
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Hey guys, I met this goddess Bzzzzzz.... wrong frame. our first morning coffee breakfast date yesterday ... ​ Bzzzzzz.... pay attention to atmosphere. Socially valuable adults make dates at night, in warm lighting inside bars with attractive employees, or on patios in nice climates in evenings. How is a coffee shop with sterile lighting, grandmas and grandpas running about and the hustle and bustle of afternoon errands mood setting in your favor? ​ But the date continued and we really hit it off…
/r/seduction30/09/18 07:32 PM
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Talk less, hit the gym. ​ If you're making out in a bar you have your moves down, but your overall vibe is pleaser/court jester.
/r/seduction30/09/18 07:25 PM
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Yes , nice guys hide their intentions (sex) with favors and saccharine sweetness. It's creepy to socially valuable women and screams to them "I'm thirsty as fuck and bad with women". They will slot you right into the Snapchat and IG friendzone list.
/r/seduction30/09/18 07:23 PM
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Yes , nice guys hide their intentions (sex) with favors and saccharine sweetness. It's creepy to socially valuable women and screams to them "I'm thirsty as fuck and bad with women". They will slot you right into the Snapchat and IG friendzone list.
/r/seduction30/09/18 07:22 PM
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Good story, and spot on in my experience. It's all true: 9's and 10's like to be taken off their pedestal. If this offends a man, he has no fucking clue how socially valuable women work.
/r/seduction30/09/18 07:21 PM
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I just stopped gaming, I was asking her boring questions like ‘wyd this evening’ and asking her what she had for dinner. Ffs Dull! Compare at the start it was all teasing, jokes, innuendos, electricity was flying. We were texting like an old married couple after just 6 weeks. This undoubtedly turned her off. ​ Yep. Two months in , the kind of text I send in the middle of the days is, "i can't wait to throw you against a wall and hike up your skirt tonight". Then she doesn't hear from me until we…
/r/seduction25/09/18 08:42 PM
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sounds like you might need a masculine boost. Hit the weights at the gym 3x a week, one hour a pop. Get your carbs down to under 80 grams a day to make your facial definition pop (and thus more masculine). ​ Start going out ALONE to bars, clubs, and grocery stores. Approach women. Get back on Tinder when your physical game improves in six months. The camera adds ten pounds. ​ Put down the fucking phone and go to the gym, and go out to the malls and bars. You;re getting your ass kicked on Tinder.…
/r/seduction25/09/18 08:29 PM
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There's nothing wrong...nothing wrong AT ALL with a lull in conversation. Not having to talk, or feel like you have to be a woman's non-stop chatty court jester is VERY MASCULINE and displays that you're comfortable in your own skin. It's very secure, very dominant behavior. ​ Also, often times in seduction, the spaces between the words are what builds sexual tension. just like time between texts builds tension. ​ You don't need to read an encyclopedia back to her, or mansplain to her the latest…
/r/seduction25/09/18 08:25 PM
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there's no need to do anything. Corey Wayne has a great point about "the illusion of action". As men, we always feel like we have to do something, or fix something. But when it comes to early courtship, more often than not doing nothing is the better choice. ​ So if you like her, be chill with her, confident and centered. She'll come around if she likes you.
/r/seduction24/09/18 07:25 PM
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Make a move when you want to make a move. Try to be more dominant (in a respectful way, obviously) and you'll probably end up having more and better sex. Women like passion. Hug her when the door closes and go for a passionate kiss.
/r/seduction23/09/18 08:13 PM
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She knows she left her earring there. Just invite her over for a movie, beer, and pizza and make a move earlier than later.
/r/seduction23/09/18 07:34 PM
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I kept my frame and was nonchalant. ​ after I heard (she didn’t tell me) I texted her “Goodbye (first name) (last name).” She replied “Goodbye (my name). I’m sorry. ​ ​ No, you didn't keep your frame. Totally unnecessary emotional text. But, pretty obvious the girl likes you. Don't talk about feelings, don't send negative emotional texts, don't EVER mention the boyfriend, and don't EVER react to things the boyfriend does or gossip. She is not your gf. ​ Playful, fun, fit, in the moment.
/r/seduction23/09/18 07:30 PM
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"Hey I just want to make sure I didn't give off the wrong vibes. I'm going on dates again and I've moved on romantically. I made moves the other night because I was drunk and felt attracted. So if you want to keep it casual till you or me find somebody else then that's fine. Or we could just hang out as friends and keep our boundaries" ​ Nooooo! As men, we always do this shit. This is the logic "explaining" side. And why is it entirely up to her to keep it casual? You're talking to her like she'…
/r/seduction23/09/18 07:22 PM
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So we dated for 5 months and split up after I wanted to be serious and she said she wasn't sure about it. ​ and this is exactly why I, and others here tell men to focus on their careers and the gym, while just living in the moment and being fun with a woman. If you're doing it right, she'll ask for exclusivity. A person has to FEEL wanting to be with a person exclusively. ​ ​ It was an amicable split. ​ Eh. Don't bullshit yourself. ​ ​ After 3 weeks of basically no-contact. I reached out to say …
/r/seduction23/09/18 07:14 PM
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IG is all about physical looks and celeb status. If you have neither and you're sliding into a 2k a photo girl's DM, you're doomed.
/r/seduction22/09/18 12:49 AM
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You never tell them that, you show it.
/r/seduction22/09/18 12:47 AM
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>Looking through my text history, I notice that I'll have hung out with a girl and later on text them something like "So >good hanging out with you today." ​ It's so needy, and on the same day, too. It's really thirsty too. look man, early courtship is interesting. More often than not it's the silence between contact, that patience, that emotional centered behavior that builds sexual tension. Mystery and space is important in attracting 8/9/10 women on the social scale. ​ ​ >I almost never get a…
/r/seduction21/09/18 06:51 PM
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I'm 44 and I only sleep with fit 20-somethings. In the past year I've had over a dozen threesomes with my gf. ​ Listen to what I'm about to say very carefully: ​ Age does not matter for men. Fitness does. ​ Lower your carbs, hit the gym with weight training. ​ Also in terms of a dead bedroom, fuck that! Start daring your woman to go on dates. Tell her you will, too. Open things up. You never know what might happen. The worst that could happen....already is.
/r/seduction20/09/18 08:02 PM
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>We had 2 drinks together ​ I have a first date, one drink, 45minute minimum before I ask her back to my place if I like her. If she's pounding multiple rum and cokes in 45 minutes, I next her. If she's hitting three beers in 45 minute, I next her. Attraction really isn't a choice. A woman will know if she'd sleep with you pretty quickly, it's your job to not talk her out of it. ​ ​ >but then she invited some guys she knows ​ Cockblocking is another reason for my 45 minute max, wherein the whole…
/r/seduction20/09/18 07:14 AM
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>Hey guys, so I've been on like 6 dates with this girl I started seeing. I met her at a nightclub and had sex that night >lol. I would describe her personality as on/off hot cold. In person, she's very warm and I love being around her. >However, when I'm not with her, her text game is weak. She doesn't like to text much. ​ ​ Congratulations, you found yourself a hot, sex-positive woman who is also strongly independent. Strong women don't spend all day texting...they have jobs, careers, dreams, h…
/r/seduction19/09/18 06:31 PM
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The better question is: ​ Do YOU like music when you are enjoying the company of women? If so, then play music.
/r/seduction18/09/18 09:02 PM
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If you're giving a woman multiple orgasms, she'd meet you in an alley.
/r/seduction18/09/18 09:01 PM
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Your advice seems to push the boundary and tell people they should >just touchy grabby with whoever they want, before they want you to >touch them or kiss them. I think you're having some trouble with comprehension. I said the exact opposite. I said if a man is fit and dominant enough, women will initiate touching him all day, even strangers. He doesn't have to initiate touch, but a man does usually have to initiate a kiss. And should. I am dominant and I do not like strangers touching me, at al…
/r/seduction18/09/18 08:58 PM
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The reason why I said that is because playing touchy touch is very submissive game. The more independent and sex-positive women I date and have in my circle are looking for more dominant males to take charge in the bedroom. I've even had a woman gripe about her current lover in front of me to my gf for being too flowery in bed and in foreplay. And if a man is fit enough, women (even strangers) will be touching him throughout the day blatantly. Sometimes it's annoying (especially if it's not some…
/r/seduction18/09/18 07:46 AM
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Oh, I didn't realize it she was over last night. Yeah wait a couple days.
/r/seduction17/09/18 09:25 PM
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>This entire thing lasted for 4 hours and almost seemed like a date. ​ Sounds like a date to me. ​ ​ >Now on the next day ​ you were at a bar with her for four hours and didn't ask her home with you or go for the kiss? ​ ​ > we went out for Oktoberfest and to a nightclub. At this point she tells me that she doesn’t really like seeing people >kissing publically ​ Wow, what a missed opportunity! As soon as she says that I say, "yeah, because they're not as hot as us" and go in for the kiss with a …
/r/seduction17/09/18 07:55 PM
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Touching women is like climbing a ladder. Try the first 5 steps before reaching the 6th or you won't be close or comfortable with trying. You get to step 5 and higher up the ladder, then step 6 seems easy and it's right there. Legs touch, arms touch, hands touch, then hands touch other things, then kiss, then touch, then fuck. Every step makes you both more comfortable taking the next step. ​ ​ This is bad seduction. Over-complicated, gets in guys heads, and not real life. If you want a woman, g…
/r/seduction17/09/18 07:54 PM
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Reduce carbohydrates to under 80 grams a day. That will cover sugars, too. Eat as much meat as you want (watch sodium on chicken skin, etc).
/r/seduction17/09/18 07:45 PM
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Yes. But don't dwell on it.
/r/seduction17/09/18 07:44 PM
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Problem is...she takes too damn long to respond!!! I'll text her and at the least she will take 30 mins, sometimes even hours to respond even when she texts me first. If you haven't even kissed her yet, who cares? Set a firm time and place to meet and stop being her texting pal.
/r/seduction16/09/18 07:54 PM
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Jesus, man. So much drama. When you see her say hi and smile. Have your best clothes on. You kinda fucked yourself by insisting she block you. So now you gotta be chill, centered, and slightly indifferent.
/r/seduction16/09/18 07:49 PM
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No. I date a fitness model and am in her circle of friends, and men of color who have muscles, who dress decently have an ADVANTAGE. lol. ​ by the way, most men have strong jawlines. But for most men, it's hidden by a layer of bloat and fat caused by water retention from over-eating inflammatory foods like bread and sugar. ​ Eating low carb and adding muscle will give any man a more masculine look. ​ Skin color does not matter for men. Money does not matter for men. What matters is FITNESS, conf…
/r/seduction16/09/18 07:24 PM
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" She is EXTREMELY emotional, and whatever emotion she feels in that moment literally DICTATES her mind. " ​ " me telling her she doesn't give a fuck about me and her telling me not to put it on her, that she cares but she CAN'T fall in love with someone dangerous. I then told her to block me off of everything, so I could not get in contact with her if she's trying to move on. " ​ You gotta learn to control your emotions, man. If an 8/9/10 woman on the social value scale (IE fit, sex-positive, i…
/r/seduction16/09/18 07:22 PM
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> So I met a girl at a bar about a month ago. We texted very frequently ever since meeting, and have now been on >2 >dates. The last date was one week ago and went amazing! It was very adventurous (we went rock climbing, >then >drove around corn fields under the stars and hooked up). She was in no rush to wrap the night up, and after >both >returning home, she thanked me for such a fun night enthusiastically. Where was the kiss? ​ >A few days later, with no explanation, her texting slowed down. …
/r/seduction15/09/18 07:20 AM
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For the most part, most men look decent without makeup. What screws men up is bloating in the face. Most guys will still look "masculine" if they have a lean, taught face free of water bloat due to overeating. Have you tried to keep your carbs under 60 grams a day for a week?
/r/seduction14/09/18 03:37 AM
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I disagree. All muscles do if you are below average looking, is create a >ripped ugly guy. have you seen Sylvester Stallone? I fell for the lie about lifting increasing your attractiveness, and >although it increases your physical attractiveness, if you dont have the >looks to start with, it makes little difference. I disagree. More and more I see evidence that it's looks that play a huge part in >attracting women, not the other mentioned traits. Muscles are looks.
/r/seduction14/09/18 03:24 AM
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If you "smash" (which BTW, is a dumb word only boys use), the friendship is over as you know it. That's just reality. So determine what you want the most: her friendship, or sex. ​ ​
/r/seduction14/09/18 03:20 AM
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Within three texts arrange a meet-up. ​ I once had a woman tell me (after multiple orgasms in bed early on in the courtship), "Lingering you're not like anyone else. I don't feel obligated to have a text conversation with you." ​ Those are the words of a strong woman. Like the one in your text. A woman not afraid to say "you're boring" right to your face, lol! I love women like that. You gotta out-alpha them.
/r/seduction13/09/18 11:42 PM
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Ask her over that night. Tinder is a hookup app. When a woman is swiping on Tinder, it means she's *in the moment*.
/r/seduction13/09/18 11:39 PM
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No.
/r/seduction13/09/18 11:39 PM
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If she's so easy why are you asking how to get her in bed on the internet? ​
/r/seduction13/09/18 11:37 PM
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how do you ask them out?
/r/seduction13/09/18 11:36 PM
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I noticed a really cute and kind girl working. ​ "Kind" was you imparting your feelings onto her. You have no idea if she's a caregiver or an ice queen. Assume both, LOL. ​ ​ ​ So the morning after, I texted her but she hasn't texted back yet. This is really weird since i thought she really likes me. What should I do? Also we are both 18 Wait a week and text her this: ​ Hey this is Toffe, I think I just saw your twin driving a Mercedes convertible down "Insert a street in you town here" Avenue. …
/r/seduction13/09/18 11:35 PM
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Guys have an advantage here. Women are more attracted to muscles, confidence, and emotional stability than Ken Dolls. I've seen "ugly" guys hit the gym for three years, get ripped, shave their thinning hair, take up hiking, read more, stabilize their emotions and become STUDS!!!!! There's nothing stopping any man from that except GETTING OFF HIS FAT ASS.
/r/seduction13/09/18 11:32 PM
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You forgot one important thing: ​ Age doesn't matter for men, fitness does.
/r/seduction13/09/18 11:29 PM
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Yep. It's all part of building confidence and an abundance mentality. ​ Confident guy: "I'm the prize, if she doesn't show up, her loss." Insecure guy: "She might not show. I better 'maintain a connection' by texting her a lot."
/r/seduction13/09/18 08:26 PM
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sleep with more women. You might still have the one-itus, but having a few women in and out of your bedroom will tame the edges. And the women need to be on the same level physically and intellectually as your one-itus crush, or it won't work.
/r/seduction12/09/18 08:49 PM
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Just talk to her in person. Seeing her in person often, but only initiating on social media is a submissive and clumsy attempt at seduction.
/r/seduction12/09/18 08:47 PM
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No worries, man. My words can be harsh sometimes but it's because I know and date alpha females like this (IMHO they are the only women worth sleeping with because they're also usually bi and sex positive) and if they see a hint of boy-ness they will eat you alive. Trust me, I've been there in my early 20's, lol and had to pull out of it. ​ Keep a strong frame, bit of mystery, bit of challenge, but not afraid to go for what you want in a dominant way.
/r/seduction12/09/18 07:49 PM
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Go up to the woman after class, say "I'm pretty sure you could kick my ass" with a smirk, then extend your hand and offer your name. If she gives her name back, ask her for a drink later. ​ ​
/r/seduction12/09/18 07:43 PM
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I think referring to a woman who's slept with more than five men as "damaged goods" is a comment from a man who hasn't had much experience with women.
/r/seduction12/09/18 07:40 PM
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Being overweight and living with your parents are the two greatest destroyers of a satisfying sex life. ​ Diet and exercise are ESSENTIAL, and should be viewed as no different than brushing your teeth or showering. ​ High carbs, fructose, sugars cause inflammation all over the body which causes the "bloat face" that 90% of men have, which automatically takes them out of the attractive social pool unless they're celebrities. It's why so many men over 30 all look the fucking same. And why women sa…
/r/seduction12/09/18 07:36 PM
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how she hates her ex-boyfriends because they behave like women; for example having trust issues, always wanting to know where she's been, who she's talking to. ​ alpha female with abundance mentality who knows what she wants. My kind of woman. Probably a porn star in bed, too. Not afraid to express her needs. ​ ​ Tbh i was there just to bust a nut ​ This is a retarded mentality, something a frat boy would say, and your date told you to your face what she thinks of boys versus men. So now i'm lik…
/r/seduction12/09/18 07:21 PM
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You should be focused on foreplay.
/r/seduction12/09/18 07:17 PM
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"Hey Sarah, I like that wild look in your eye."
/r/seduction11/09/18 09:08 PM
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Stop trying to be her court jester. ​ "Hey, let's grab a drink at Bar X, 9 tomorrow." ​ The put the fucking phone down. ​ ​
/r/seduction11/09/18 09:08 PM
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You: Hey, Sarah, what are you wearing for the date? Her: lol, why? You: Wear something with buttons. Her: uh why? ​ ​ Then say nothing. It's pretty obvious what's implied here (IE you want to rip her clothes off). It's also quirky as fuck and not normal.
/r/seduction11/09/18 08:58 PM
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I had anxiety too in my 20's. I was a good looking guy, could attract women initially easily but came off as cold, but my coldness was due to my fears, not my dislike of people. how did I fix it? By approaching more women. By building a career in a field that requires me to speak to small crowds. I also learned to love myself, and to speak my mind without fear. If you have Netflix, watch a show called "Californication", and see how the main character Hank Moody talks to women. He fears NOTHING. …
/r/seduction11/09/18 08:45 PM
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Tons of people do it on instagram. It's okay to express yourself in healthy ways. Taking selfies with bros day drinking is the exact opposite.
/r/seduction11/09/18 08:40 PM
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Selfies are okay when you're doing active, positive things. It doesn't matter if you're alone. Sitting over a fucking river gorge in a forest somewhere (or desert, whatever) and taking a selfie is pretty cool compared to a selfie playing PS4 in a dark living room. You can set your phone on a rock, against a tree and use a timer to get some cool backside shots as you're looking at scenery, etc. You don't need bros for this at all. In fact it's better you don't have them in the photos. You're a ma…
/r/seduction11/09/18 05:42 AM
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I see no problem hitting her up on IG or FB if she dirty danced with you all night. Use a nice segue: you: Hey Sarah, let's continue that dance next Friday night at Club X, 10pm".
/r/seduction11/09/18 01:07 AM
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There's no investment yet on her part to really care at all. Play the game, patience is attractive. Strong, sex-positive women LOVE to toy with boys to see if they're men.
/r/seduction11/09/18 12:59 AM
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50/50. But, I will say that Instagram will blast a story circle at the top of a users' page if that users creeps your page the most or interacts with your the most via DM. this would explain the instant view. It;s not a great sign, but not a bad sign, either.
/r/seduction11/09/18 12:56 AM
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think "active" on social media. And by that I mean have ACTIVE photos. you playing sports, you hiking, you taking pictures of animals, etc. AVOID any "couching lifestyle" images such as dark indoors photos alone or with bros watching tv or playing video games. Avoid pics of cars, focus on things that are ALIVE, and healthy. drinking with bros in apartments or houses looks fucking lame. the amount of followers does not matter unless your a REAL celebrity, because most women (and most people) have…
/r/seduction11/09/18 12:53 AM
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A douchebag who knows what he's doing. If you need to sleep with a woman three times to get her invested....you don't. And any woman who's sex-positive, confident, and who knows what she wants (IE women who are actually worth sleeping with) won't let it get beyond first night sex if you suck in bed. They will next you without a hint of remorse. My words may seem harsh, but that's the reality of early courtship with socially valuable women (9's and 10's with a brain).
/r/seduction10/09/18 09:40 PM
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If you give her multiple orgasms on the first night sex, you'll release a hormone called "oxytocin" into her, and she'll feel bonded to you. So yes, first night sex, if you know what you're doing will cause a high level of investment. and obviously, giving a woman multiple orgasms is rare for men, so that unique skill in and of itself outside of oxytocin release will make her want you much more than the average skill-less goof. Science is important in seduction and building yourself into a socia…
/r/seduction10/09/18 08:40 PM
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​ Shit test: How do you deal with the kind of shit test where you try to introduce any kind of "we" or "us" frame into the interaction and she calls you out on it. Like if you try to project a future with you both together somewhere and she kinda narrows her eyes with a little grin and goes "Hmmm, what's this 'we' all of a sudden, hm?". ​ Own it. Don't backpedal. Playful, teasing. Hank Moody. ​ Her: What's this "we" stuff, hmmmm? You: Well, you're always trying to make out with me. ​ LMR: How do…
/r/seduction10/09/18 07:52 PM
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She has to be invested in you first for drama to work. ​ For example, if I have sex with a woman on a first date and really like her and know she loved it, I won't text her for a week. She's invested, and I apply drama, mystery, and challenge.
/r/seduction10/09/18 07:32 PM
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First, you're not ugly! Not at all. I date a fitness models and I guarantee you she wouldn't mind dancing with you at a club as long as you had CONFIDENCE. Second, DIVE into the gym and start a weight routine. Go 3-4x a week. This is the SINGLE BIGGEST way for shorter men to elevate themselves above their peers. Women love tough, muscular men. BE CONSISTENT, 3x a week minimum. Think of it as no different than brushing your teeth or showering. You also have a bigger forehead like me, so I'd sugge…
/r/seduction10/09/18 07:30 PM
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Pay attention to peaks in momentum. If your goal is to get her home, don't hang out at the fucking bar all night. Next time turn her around and go for the kiss about 30 minutes into it. Men don't use Snap. Get her number. Snap is designed for devious teenagers and women up to 26. Snap is the ultimate place for friend-zoned orbiters, lol. It's where women put boys who will never have a shot.
/r/seduction10/09/18 06:14 AM
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It's all based on the woman. You have to sniff out what gets her going. I'll straight up ask a woman if she's bi on first dates. Right away that tells me she's more open minded. I only date bi women, so this is important to me. This is why it's always best to have first dates at a bar, because you can riff off attractive personnel. For example, I'll ask her "hot or not" if the bartender is attractive. It's important to sexualize. Ask her questions most guys would be terrified to ask, like "what'…
/r/seduction09/09/18 10:52 PM
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Sure. It could be anything. Each person has a certain thing that makes them "tick" sexually. for example, some women are into mind games (mental foreplay) prior to sex. they need to be intellectually stimulated, or made to feel jealous, or like they're competing for you. Some like to play super hard to get, and want you to dominate them. I dated a woman who was highly intelligent, glasses, librarian type. All the men who went on dates before me SHOWERED her with gifts, big dinners, bought all he…
/r/seduction09/09/18 09:22 PM
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> Where I used to live, I tried to make a move on a girl that I really liked. She rejected me (which was cool, it >happens), but it seemed like that the women gossiped about me and I was shun by the other women. ​ Hitting on women in your circle is only bad if you're bad at seduction. ;) If you fuck a girl in your circle, and do it well, the rest of the girls in your circle will want to fuck you. Word of mouth is big. This tells me you gotta up your physical game and you might have some nice guy…
/r/seduction09/09/18 08:53 PM
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You're looking at this all wrong. women are HORRIBLY competitive, lol. And it also turns them on to think of you as the big bull elk who has this harem. She's asking you that before you fuck her not because she wants you to be Johnny Sad Virgin, but because she wants to KNOW she's got the bull elk. She wants you to lead,she wants you to toss her around on the bed and take charge. ​ Say what you're thinking, but with a playful grin. Shocking honesty is always the way to go. Think Hank Moody in Ca…
/r/seduction09/09/18 08:37 PM
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> I'm not one to sleep around ​ Newsflash: introverted and intellectual girls are BIGGER freaks in the bedroom than conservative/normal girls. So you better start accruing sexual experiences to improve your bedroom game because when you find a smoking hot intellectual who has quirky sexual needs (so many of them love mental foreplay the way they crave mental stimulation in other aspects of life) you won't have a fucking clue, and she'll blow you off without a hint of remorse after first sex. ​ "…
/r/seduction09/09/18 07:29 AM
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It will turn a lot of conservative women off, but the more sex-positive women won't care (IE, women you actually want to sleep with).
/r/seduction09/09/18 07:20 AM
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The bull elk DOESN'T need to hang with the spike bucks!
/r/seduction09/09/18 07:17 AM
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>When I got home later that night, she messaged me about making plans for another date this past weekend. ​ Good sign! ​ >Then it came up that I live at home with my parents. ​ Ah....the two worst things for your social life are being fat and still living with your parents. ​ >She then gave me her number, and I went in for a goodnight hug, but she went in for a kiss. After the kiss, she >mentioned that she didn't want the date to end, and wish that we could go somewhere private. ​ how about your…
/r/seduction08/09/18 09:00 AM
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Her: My friend is coming, let me know if that's a problem. You: Is she planning on getting naked too? Instead, you threw a hissy fit, and were led by your emotions. You didn't act likea guy who gets laid on the regular. Your shocking honesty and breezy indifference will get you much, much further than being led by emotion (in this case negative). ​ Say what you think. When a woman invites one of her friends out on a date, I don't think, "oh no." I think "hell yes, great opportunity for a threeso…
/r/seduction08/09/18 08:47 AM
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Date itself went well, we had a good time ​ If she had a good time, she'd want to see you again quickly. Be careful not to project your feelings onto hers in seduction, or even in LTR's. ​ ​ I messaged her 1 hour after the date, to thank her for the evening. ​ Needy and ass-kissey. You don't need to thank a woman for a date, LOL. Let her wonder about you a bit. Texting her an hour after the date is clingy. Let her breathe. ​ Next day I invited her to go with me to the movies on thursday. Needy a…
/r/seduction05/09/18 10:31 PM
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sounds bitter.
/r/seduction05/09/18 10:27 PM
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Accrue physical experiences with women. Focus on your goals (career). Have a passionate hobby. Work out 3x+ a week. Read books more than you watch TV. All of these things will increase confidence, increase bedroom skills, increase vocabulary, increase a positive attitude. These ALL begin to have an accumulative effect that makes you a prize for women, and elevates you over your peers.
/r/seduction05/09/18 10:25 PM
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Thank you!
/r/seduction05/09/18 08:23 PM
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Then you're trying too hard when you talk to women. Your handle hints at this. ;) Avoid gaming with your pals and go to the bars solo. The bull elk doesn't need to hang with the spike bucks.
/r/seduction05/09/18 08:23 PM
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Every once in a while I'll push boundaries and test my insecurity/controlling levels (all men get them occasionally) and ASK my gf to dirty dance with a guy. And I'll watch. It trains me to not be insecure. Also, it forces me to examine why I really get so mad. Do I get mad because I'm super controlling, or I feel disrespected, or because I kinda like it that my gf might be a little porn star and it turns me on? Either way every situation can be analyzed and learned from, and turned from negativ…
/r/seduction05/09/18 08:15 PM
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She's going home with you, right? So no, it's not a concern. This kind of shit will leech into other parts of your mentality, and you might become clingy/needy/controlling.
/r/seduction02/09/18 08:11 PM
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Never ask that question.
/r/seduction02/09/18 08:08 PM
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Put on a lot of muscle, change how you're dressing, grow a beard, read more books. A confident, dominant man with a GREAT body will beat out Ken dolls 90% of the time. ​
/r/seduction02/09/18 08:07 PM
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Hit the weights at the gym, shave your head, grow some stubble, be more confident and brazen in your interactions with women. ​ This will neutralize any other men.
/r/seduction02/09/18 08:05 PM
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The bull elk, is the bull elk. It doesn't matter what his job is as long as he has one. It's amazing how this all works.
/r/seduction19/05/18 07:07 PM
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Sounds fun, man. The best way to be in your 40's and put yourself in a position NOT to be stuck with cougars is to hit the gym and put on muscle. 3-4x a week, 1-2 hours a pop. Keep your carbs under 80 grams a day to reduce face bloat (carbs and sugars cause inflammation and water retention- it's why almost every white guy over 30 looks the fucking same). Remain emotionally-centered (don't smother women on the phone/texting). be playful. Use "shocking honesty" (say what you think). Set up dates c…
/r/seduction19/05/18 06:35 PM
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I'd be very leery of hitting on customers in a college town in the MeToo era. One article in the paper could bury your business. If you're fit enough (muscles) co-eds will hit on you, and you'll be inoculated from any nonsense if you APPEAR like you do well with women. If you look like all these guys showing up in the papers/websites lately, you won't get away with it. There's a big difference in perception between a bull elk who women just shrug at his shenanigans "Oh, he's just good with women…
/r/seduction19/05/18 06:27 PM
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Her: " Oh that place is trashy " You: "It's perfect then."
/r/seduction19/05/18 06:24 PM
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Don't contact her yet. Women are FAR more patient than men in courtship because they have abundance and most men do not. Invite her over in a week.
/r/seduction18/05/18 12:02 AM
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The awkwardness comes from not being congruent and honest with your intentions. It's bad seduction and 99% of guys are this way. Watch Hank Moody on Californication (Netflix). Just text her what you're thinking: "You should come over tonight." To nice guys, this is horrifying because they've invested so much energy in masking their intentions with creepy nice guy behavior. But this is how men good with women behave. No filter. It's also known as confidence and charm.
/r/seduction17/05/18 11:13 PM
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Her: I have a boyfriend. You: I have no problem with that.
/r/seduction17/05/18 11:11 PM
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>And then we start chatting with questions back and forth. We both seem to be interested in the same things boring. >and it was still going well once the work week started, the message rate slowed a bit because of work, she >initialled the last interaction, I responded then asked a question back. Boring. >Its been a couple days , she hasnt responded, i know how people say these things typical go maybe she >forgot to respond, maybe not, but I know if I message again and she doesn't respond to let…
/r/seduction17/05/18 11:09 PM
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I only approach at the gym if the IOI's are many and the woman is slathered in makeup. I don't like to shit where I eat.
/r/seduction17/05/18 11:07 PM
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Build muscle at the gym, reduce carbs for a "lean" look in your face. Dress decently. Be totally honest and congruent in all aspects of courtship.
/r/seduction17/05/18 11:06 PM
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Don't text women after first dates. Let them text you. If you don;t hear from her in a week and you like her, send a simple text : "Hey, let's do Bar X at 9, tomorrow". You're a busy man focused on your career, with options. Instead you got a taste of woman and blew up her phone. you let your emotions control you. A lot of bad PUA advice says that a man has to "maintain attraction" through texting. This is complete bullshit, especially if you've had sex with a woman.
/r/seduction17/05/18 11:04 PM
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>as well as relatively good kino and body language. worry about the kiss more than kino. >As we drank a couple of beers, I might not have been able to tell the absence OR presence of IOI's at the later >stages, but they were definitely there earlier. WHY do you think this is? I'll let you ponder why the momentum changed, and reveal the answer very soon..... >After 4 hours she genuinely had to leave for school early the next mourning and she was like "Wow is it >already 12". four hours? FOUR FUCK…
/r/seduction17/05/18 07:06 AM
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"Get her to be my girlfriend"? You must be like 15.
/r/seduction17/05/18 06:39 AM
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lol.
/r/seduction17/05/18 06:36 AM
1

How long since your last text?
/r/seduction12/05/18 09:52 AM
1

I walk away from any woman who says "you have to work harder than that". Big red flag she's naggy.
/r/seduction09/05/18 10:35 PM
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That line sucks.
/r/seduction09/05/18 10:25 PM
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enjoy the 4's and 5's until you get fit again unless you're famous. It's that harsh, and that simple.
/r/seduction09/05/18 09:57 PM
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a month? Translation: "I'm fucking other guys and trying them out".
/r/seduction09/05/18 09:36 PM
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Everyone got on the planet because of seduction. Unfortunately, my liberal peers (yes I'm liberal) only approve of comfortable, political correct science, not all science. Which is driving me from progressivism to the middle.
/r/seduction09/05/18 09:34 PM
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She said she is coming over to pickup stuff but didn't come over. >Seems like she was trying to teach me a lesson with a no-show just like >I did when she invited me to the event at the bar. I tried calling her last >evening (to findout why she didn't pickup her stuff and maybe chat with >a little honesty to gauge interest) but she didn't pickup. Why would you call her, lol? she fucked you. she's interested. Get your emotions under control, man. Maybe she wanted the clothes to be an excuse to se…
/r/seduction06/05/18 10:09 PM
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I woman will say that to a guy who is acting clingy.
/r/seduction06/05/18 10:05 PM
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the best way to keep her hooked is to live your life. Post photos of you looking fit, in the outdoors, and/or with women on Instagram. No bro pics. Alone, or with women.
/r/seduction05/05/18 09:36 PM
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Her silence may be because she's super busy preparing to leave. However, with fit, socially valuable women, sometimes a super-confident text can get them off the fence. since she's leaving for a few months, I'd change my approach given the context. So send this right now: "Swing by tonight so I can give you a proper goodbye kiss." to the point, dominant, confident. NOT boring. Because honesty never is. If she doesn't answer, file her in the "maybe" drawer for next semester.
/r/seduction05/05/18 09:14 PM
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I get it. But it's a submissive and weak play. Stronger frame: Her: Probably won't be able to hang because I'm going home. You: Cool, have a great summer. If you get free before you leave, hit me up.
/r/seduction05/05/18 08:55 PM
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>I knew this girl she was pretty. I got her Snapchat etc in person and texted her. She texted back and we went >back and forth for months. It didn't work out in the end but turns out she liked me. Do you know how to tell when a woman really likes you? She unzips your pants. >Guys, girls admire the confidence of going for what you want in real life. Which you didn't do, by being the girls text pal for months.
/r/seduction05/05/18 08:37 PM
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Don't call women sluts unless it's dirty talk in the bedroom.
/r/seduction05/05/18 08:34 PM
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I don't think it's bad at all. women love to be snoopy. But you better have some matches, LOL.
/r/seduction05/05/18 08:33 PM
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This is why you need to get all that complicated shit out of your head and just go for the kiss.
/r/seduction05/05/18 08:32 PM
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> she says: "Sorry, I'm not looking for anything long term right now" did you propose to her?
/r/seduction05/05/18 08:31 PM
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You: Hi. Her: Hi. You: We should grab a drink tonight.
/r/seduction05/05/18 08:30 PM
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Jesus. No. Way too contrived.
/r/seduction05/05/18 08:29 PM
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> I was like "probably won't", so theres still a chance? I was joking/not.. She went radio silent at that point. Jesus, man. At least fake confidence until you get it. I wouldn't respond to that text from a woman to me, because there's nothing to respond to. It's awkward. Send her this text right now: "Hey, I have a six pack about to expire, and an unused Netflix subscription. Swing by tonight." Or, you can dream about her all summer and regret not making a move.
/r/seduction05/05/18 08:28 PM
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Your wife's attraction is waning, and she's being up and down. That said, obviously she liked the game. And IMHO, she's hinting at you not being dominant or twisted enough. She asked for sex the next day. Your dominance did it for her. Be WAY more open minded with this woman, talk about, and live out some of her fantasies. 99% of guys will say this about their ex's: "she was crazy". So...if she was crazy, why did she not act that way around friend and families? Women get flakey and "in their hea…
/r/seduction05/05/18 07:44 PM
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She has a boyfriend.
/r/seduction05/05/18 07:42 PM
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So you are saying there is a chance? lol Yes, especially since you had sex. Btw, when I am with a woman I like the cuddling kissing companionship part more than sex. I am looking more for companionship with women. Get that shit out of your head. Focus on being fun, and in the moment.9's and 10's want a passionate lover first. That's why those romance book covers look like they do. When you are fun to a woman, and relaxed and centered, she will seek your companionship naturally. It;s not somethin…
/r/seduction05/05/18 04:28 AM
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Haha. man, I've done that a few times (left glasses or clothing between the screen door and door and told them girl to come get them), and it does not go over well. It's too far into the "indifference" area. If you have a great connection it won't matter. A couple things: Stop texting women in the fucking morning. I'm in a LTR, and I don't even answer texts from my 2+ year long girlfriend until I've had 3-5 hours of solid work done (or fitness, whatever). It shows you're thinking about her first…
/r/seduction05/05/18 03:59 AM
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As I posted earlier, I have a filter system that eliminates conservative women (women who aren't open-minded) and agenda-driven women (want kids, money). then, I find an independent woman who is sex-positive, open minded, and bi-sexual. Through mutual shared positive emotions, good sex, and giving a woman space, she asks for exclusivity. At this point, fantasies are explored in-depth to enhance sex. Shocking honesty is employed in the bedroom, just like it was and is for early courtship. Just ba…
/r/seduction05/05/18 03:33 AM
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Good point.
/r/seduction05/05/18 01:10 AM
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BTW, my point wasn't to brag. It was to let you know if you aren't loaded, there are great ways to live with a woman who is open-minded, while still fulfilling the freedom you mentioned you like so much.
/r/seduction04/05/18 11:38 PM
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I don't always get what I want. But I have the air of someone who always gets what they want, and that gets me a lot.
/r/seduction04/05/18 11:10 PM
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Like for example I always like to have sex on the first date and if it >doesn't happen I let them know there will be no second date. That's >bargaining. If they put out on the first date then I "bargained" for that >sex per my definition. Yeah I like sex-positive women, so no sex on first date is kinda lame. Depends on my attraction for the woman though. On the fence? I simply won't text her again. If she's just...stunning, I'll do a second date. I think bargaining comes in at every level of the…
/r/seduction04/05/18 10:57 PM
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the naturals are a tiny percentage of men. I do agree with you about exercise. Total game changer. It won;t help you keep women (inner game does that), but it's critical.
/r/seduction04/05/18 10:45 PM
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>texted her about an hour after she left saying I had a good time with her, and got >no response. Guys. Guys. Stop fucking doing this! You can't go one hour after the date without talking to her? Let the date breathe. Hell, let women breathe. Cling City! >That's the twist. Typically I would message for a next date the following day or something, but how do I >handle the fact she didn't respond yet? Is that a sign? How should I handle in another text? Stop being the puppy dog that humps people;s …
/r/seduction04/05/18 10:43 PM
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Early 40's here, I only date 20-somethings. I find it to be the opposite: 20-somethimgs tend to be more fit, more open minded, and more laid back than 35+ women. Obviously there are exceptions, but a woman focused on an agenda with a wine glass in her hand all the time is an *absolute deal breaker* for me. I'm also not attracted to, in any way, ever, women who are not physically fit. I take great care of myself, and expect the same in my partners. Also, I don't need to "bargain" with women. If y…
/r/seduction04/05/18 10:38 PM
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This is probably the biggest challenge in LTR's. It happens to every couple even the sexiest and most fit, lol. I only date bi-sexual very fit women. The woman must be open minded. I'm in a 2+ year LTR, and enjoying it a lot. However, I let my gf flirt with whoever she wants. I let her dance with whoever she wants. I don't keep her on a leash, and she gives me green lights (nights to sleep with who I want) and will bring home smoking hot women to have threesomes with every couple of months. I be…
/r/seduction04/05/18 10:33 PM
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Nice.
/r/seduction04/05/18 10:06 PM
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I would assume pretty much every guy who is now good with women has either been depressed or socially awkward at one time.
/r/seduction04/05/18 10:05 PM
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you don't need mutual hand caressing to know a girl is into you. there are numerous IOI's before that. You're putting all these extra mental steps in-between you and seduction. I get what you're saying, but also understand that your seduction with this woman was based on fear, not on fun and congruency with your desires. And women will pick up on that. You don't need to tick off every box of IOI. If you do that, next thing you know the night will be over. Hesitation is awkward seduction. I have …
/r/seduction04/05/18 08:34 AM
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> How can I get her to be more emotionally invested in me than I am in her, even if I may not see her for a >week or two? Bedroom skills and fitness. When the sex is great, women will kick down your door for more, lol. If you ignore their texts, it makes them want it even more. you also may have done some damage by blowing up her phone that you have yet to recover from. good news is it's repairable if you back away. give it a week, then invite her over. I will say this, to all less experienced m…
/r/seduction04/05/18 07:56 AM
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lol!
/r/seduction04/05/18 07:53 AM
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this is awkward seduction, IMHO. It teaches men to look for 531 different signs, and 74 steps in third dimension chess before they make a move. And you can bet your ass it looks hesitant as fuck to the woman. hand caressing? You talk to a woman on a date, or approach at club. She is close to you. She makes long eye contact and smiles. She laughs a lot. You go for the kiss. Simple. she's on a date with you because she found you reasonably attractive. she's dancing with you at the club because she…
/r/seduction04/05/18 07:50 AM
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"Swing by my place, 9." Then put down your phone.
/r/seduction04/05/18 07:47 AM
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You're welcome!
/r/seduction02/05/18 08:19 PM
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Don't comply to the woman's frame, ever. You are the man. You are busy, you have shit to do. However, always convey positive emotions in text. Get to the point, set up a meet within three text exchanges.
/r/seduction02/05/18 08:17 PM
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Gym. Hiking. Reading (Kindle, bnooks, not internet). Tan. improved bedroom skills. Shocking honesty. Confidence, congruent with my desires. Make sure you go out three nights a week and approach at bars. Get on Tinder and Bumble once you're in shape. >I'm looking women I can actually watch movies or hang out one-on-one with. Not necessarily a gf, but >definitely not an ONS Get that shit out of your head! This is Nice-Guy-Syndrome, and it's a lie. You want a hot girl to like your dick. One night s…
/r/seduction02/05/18 08:06 PM
1

Hit the gym, put this negative energy into motion.
/r/seduction02/05/18 08:05 PM
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Quite being a fucking wimp and do this right now: "You should swing by tonight, I have this six pack that's about to expire."
/r/seduction02/05/18 08:04 PM
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Pack on 20 pounds of muscle, wear a fitted T, and say *nothing*. A socially dominant man doesn't yap. Others yap to him.
/r/seduction02/05/18 08:03 PM
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sounds like no connection. Why no kiss on the hike? Perfect place. Every single woman I've ever been with detests men who don't go for the kiss on the first date. It's weak, and you'll get friend-zoned by sexually experienced strong women who don't have time for nonsense.
/r/seduction02/05/18 08:02 PM
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Go for the meetup within three texts. You're boring! Girls are on tinder to fuck, too, and they hate small talk.
/r/seduction02/05/18 07:59 PM
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>Go buy something where she works? This is only okay if she's a hired gun, but even then use sparingly, and show up with a woman. when a girl says "sorry can't tonight". You simply move on to other women. In a couple weeks, send her a funny pic. If she texts back invite her over to your place that night, no date. If she says no, say "cool no worries" and see other women.
/r/seduction02/05/18 07:59 PM
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>My point is that I'm mainly looking for a girlfriend but something isn't clicking. Yes, what's not clicking is the fact you're looking for a girlfriend, and girls are fleeing you because they can smell that vibe from a mile away. Getting into a relationships with a socially valuable woman (fit, 8,9,10) is not something you just "do" or plan for. The relationship happens when you are fit, playful, confident, emotionally-centered, and good in bed. You LIVE IN THE MOMENT, day by day, and eventuall…
/r/seduction02/05/18 07:57 PM
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"Hey, Looking forward to tomorrow. I'll head over to pick you up about 7:30." Why pick her up? she's a big girl, she can meet you or drive over. This is antiquated seduction, IMHO, and comes off as controlling (even though you may not be). "Hey, I'm super swamped right now with school and personal stuff. This is her saying, "you're smothering me" in a really nice way. And the [home country] stuff is really getting to me so I think I'm gonna bail. I'm sorry. I'm not really in a good place with ti…
/r/seduction02/05/18 12:21 AM
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Most of the forum is men with zero experience, so in a way it makes sense. They mainly respond to platitudes and feel-good advice.
/r/seduction01/05/18 08:24 PM
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Bad seduction. I wouldn't feel good about spilling your guts prematurely. Learn from it, though. Women love emotionally-centered, strong, and confident men. They don't do this shit over text. They ask a woman out, in person, right away when they feel something for her.
/r/seduction01/05/18 08:22 PM
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>Get to her place, watch a movie, have sex. I spend the night. Guys, *stop fucking doing this*. You are a busy man with a life. You don't have time to crash at a new girls place after first night sex. I know many guys think this will improve bonding, but it has the opposite effet and makes you seem clingy. Have some social-self awareness and let her be, and let her wonder about you and feel the night instead of smothering her. >Here is where I messed up. You already did. ;) >We go out and hook u…
/r/seduction01/05/18 08:20 PM
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Just say what you feel. It's not a first date, or second. It's an appropriate and measured response (most guys don't get this) considering the context of her leaving.
/r/seduction01/05/18 08:11 PM
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So you fawned over her, and maybe touched her hand? lol. That's a lack of confidence, IMHO. The truly beautiful women with experience frown upon this kind of thing. Two dates and no physicality (not even a kiss?_) is a dating failure. good luck!
/r/seduction01/05/18 08:08 PM
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All hot women aren't looking for boyfriends. It's their way of saying (nicely): "Not looking for Stage Five Clingers". They have abundance in a way most men don't, and are far more patient about settling into a relationship...just as YOU would be if you had five gorgeous women texting to see you.
/r/seduction01/05/18 08:07 PM
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Yep. Nice to see another user with strong experience.
/r/seduction01/05/18 03:54 AM
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Lose the baggy pants, IMHO. I've literally heard women complain about this exact thing. hit the gym, bulk up. approach more at bars. There's nothing ugly about you, so chill on that. They might be picking up that vibe.
/r/seduction30/04/18 08:48 PM
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Most of what's discussed in PUA is an over generalization. But that's because a lot of it is true. The last two threesomes I had with 9/10 bartenders happened at 1-3am, went to 7am. They initiated. One in March, a different bartender in February. My girlfriend before my current LTR was a bartender, exhibited the same kind of behavior. Bi-sexual, sex-positive, more dominant than most men. when you combine the social domination/abundance of a 9 or 10 woman with a woman working a job that is based …
/r/seduction30/04/18 08:25 PM
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I'll tell you *exactly* why this is happening. You're not behaving in an emotionally-centered way (not providing space, over-contact on the phone, etc). Fit women have male orbiters. In early courtship, a 9 or 10 will usually have a guy she's sometimes fucking, a couple guys she's friend-zoned, an ex-bf, a guy she wants to fuck, a guy who's chasing her. Why does she do this? It's not on purpose. What she's doing is trying guys out. When she finds a man who is confident, dominant, fun, playful, f…
/r/seduction30/04/18 08:10 PM
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Who cares if she flirts with other guys? You're not exclusive. I agree, you should be wary about lingering like a beta at her whim. I wouldn't go. in the future, don't ask for a schedule. Text a firm place and time. If she says no, say "cool, have a great night" and let her get back to you. Bartenders are a different breed. They are highly socially intelligent, and usually more sex positive and open minded in bed. They have NO PROBLEM hitting you up at 3am to fuck after they've had a couple. Be …
/r/seduction30/04/18 08:03 PM
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But you have to agree that you notice someone might be better than average in the first few moments? Yes, because most people are not fit. So when you see a beautiful, fit woman, it's exciting. That is what I'm talking about. If you went to 100 dates you'd know how to read your first minutes\hours with a person and perceive as higher value than the others. Sure. I have at least other 3 possible dates in line right now! hehe I escalate with women and get rejected sometimes, sometimes not. All the…
/r/seduction30/04/18 01:28 AM
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If you're losing attraction in three months, it could be a few things. I've been with my gf for two + years. There are times when I'm more attracted than others, but she still knocks my socks off. Now, if you truly care about her, there are ways to repair a sex life. First, open her mind sexually. Dare each other to do crazy shit. Find out what her fantasies are, and do them, and film them. You may see her in a different light. Try for threesomes, try for risque photos somewhere. There are endle…
/r/seduction30/04/18 12:55 AM
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The cure for addiction is usually to reconnect with nature. Cancel your cable. Limit yourself to one TV and Netflix. Buy a Kindle and read more. Join a gym and lift weights. Find the closest national forest, state park, or national park to your house and go there as often as you can. Invest in a water filter, some good boots, and cool gear. A big part of porn addiction is a "couch lifestyle", including video games, channel surfing and general slothfulness in a depressing indoor environment. GET …
/r/seduction30/04/18 12:51 AM
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Shave that hair, it's not hiding anything. Get that beard down a level or two. Hit the gym, do weights. keep your carbs under 60 grams a day to reduce face bloat. Get some sun. After a year of HARD WORK you'll see much better results.
/r/seduction29/04/18 11:48 PM
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any woman worth being with will give oral on her own if the kissing is good and things are hot.
/r/seduction29/04/18 10:13 PM
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I prefer solo, or with women. hit the gym to build up your first night sex odds, and to stave off the drunk douchebags you'll run into. go for the close at bars, not dates. approach who you're attracted to in a confident, effecient manner.
/r/seduction29/04/18 10:10 PM
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You don't create attraction, it's there or not. Build a great body at the gym. (6 months of weights and you'll notice big improvements)Dress well. Be confident. Reduce face bloat by lowering your carb intake to under 60 grams a day. Carbs and sugar cause inflammation and water retention, which is why almost every guy over thirty looks exactly the same - fat, bloated, and older than they really are. I'm in my early 40's. After the gym today, I went to the local Good Foods. I was eye-fucked by thr…
/r/seduction29/04/18 10:08 PM
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That attitude, right there will have women running from you. And since this is a seduction forum, that's a valid observation to make.
/r/seduction29/04/18 06:55 PM
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>I've been going to the gym, meeting tons of women and been going to many dates. If that was the case you wouldn't be so focused on a woman not in your zip code. Date more. >But just tell me how often do you meet someone who at least seems toto click on everyhting? 1 out 100. It >is a fact. The reality is that a lot of women suck or are not compatible, it's a numbers game. True, it is a numbers game. >I never said hot women having sex with others is not the reality, this is not what I'm talking …
/r/seduction29/04/18 06:42 AM
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Have I talked to you before about not getting 2nd dates? Just curious. >However, on the last 3 dates I've been on, things were going great, conversation was good throughout the >night and 2 of them resulted in a kiss at the end of the night. Kisses are good! >Then, boom. Girl goes super cold on text and I just know it's over. I've tried setting up second dates but all 3 >nicely rejected me. We're missing information. Something you're doing is wrong. Perhaps talking too much on the date, trying t…
/r/seduction29/04/18 06:01 AM
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Focus on women in your zip code. Seriously. > So we are meeting for this trip alone in 2 weeks… after she much probably hooked with someone else. Pretty >nice. Now, I understand I’m not exclusive, and nothing happened yet. Not only are you not exclusive, but you haven't even kissed her, lol. And if you DO have sex, that's still a far cry from exclusivity. Exclusivity happens organically, over time, through mutual shared positive emotions between two partners. As far as her having sex with someon…
/r/seduction29/04/18 05:54 AM
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Yeah not sure why you texted that advice. too try-hard. Like I said, you don't text her. Eventually, she would've texted you: "hey I think I left my stuff at your place". And you say exactly what you're thinking: "Yeah, I figure you needed an excuse to see me again." Men get themselves into corners with too much texting. Let the woman reach out, then just say what you're thinking (shocking honesty). This is natural game. Patience + honesty.
/r/seduction29/04/18 05:03 AM
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I'm not into public as much as my gf, but if that's your thing, go for it! Wilderness hikes, five hour road-day trips, alleys behind bars, all good for public sex. I think I get more of the gist of your post now.
/r/seduction29/04/18 01:57 AM
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Meet other women, talk one or two of them up at work. Nothing like some social proof to get a woman off the fence.
/r/seduction29/04/18 12:35 AM
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If she wanted to fuck why not go out and get a drink with me back >when I asked her? she ignored me so I nexted her. you didn't "next" her, because you're here posting about her. she asked you to go clubbing, showed you a tattoo. That's when you make your move. This entire thing was a mess It's not a mess, because in order for something to be a mess, it has to exist. It's nothing. Nothing exists. No kiss, no date, nothing.
/r/seduction29/04/18 12:27 AM
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If you get bored with sex, you're not fucking 9's and 10's who are experienced and sex-positive. I'd get bored too if I was fucking the drunk 5's and 6's in PUA Youtube videos. A busy man with a full life, focused on his goals, career, fitness, and whom has numerous female options doesn't really have time to go on, and plan extravagant dates with new women. Early on, it's about trying this person out to see if they're right for you.
/r/seduction29/04/18 12:22 AM
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Hanging around after getting torched is clingy behavior. Never linger.
/r/seduction28/04/18 11:08 PM
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The bull elk prefers to go into bars alone, because he makes his own great time. I drink water at bars and do very well. You have to be comfortable in your own skin before women can be comfortable showing you their skin.
/r/seduction28/04/18 11:07 PM
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>showing me her tat under her shirt then asking me to go clubbing. I didn't handle it >very well cause I wasn't interested and basically just an acquaintance. She was basically asking you to fuck her. >A couple days later I had thought about it more. She was hot but I didn't like her >personality so I figure why not get a drink and see what she's like outside work. So I >asked her in person to grab a drink, she said yes with excitement. She told me she just >broke up with her ex and isn't lookin…
/r/seduction28/04/18 10:53 PM
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Sound like you haven't been laid in a while, and you're letting small things get to you. Approach women, go on dates.
/r/seduction28/04/18 10:47 PM
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This whole thing just reeks of lameness. Next.
/r/seduction28/04/18 10:45 PM
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I don't see what the problem is.
/r/seduction28/04/18 10:44 PM
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You'll forget about her when you sleep with someone younger, hotter, and smarter.
/r/seduction28/04/18 10:41 PM
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Uh... A man good with women knows the "adventure" is in the bedroom in early courtship. There's no need for extravagant dates. When you are fit and good in bed, the sex is mindblowing and consumes both people for months early on. You're the party. YOU'RE the adventure. Living in the moment and fun. The newbies that post here will downvote this, because they feel compelled to impress and show off to women in some weird bribe for sex due to their insecurity. It's a toxic intrinsic feeling that the…
/r/seduction28/04/18 10:40 PM
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>However I checked her facebook and found out she has a boyfriend (Who is increadibly >ugly what the hell). Facial looks aren't as important to women as muscles, confidence, playfullness, and being emotionally-centered. >So, what do you think, what should i do guys? Ask her over to your place. Since she has a boyfriend, she won't want to be caught out.
/r/seduction28/04/18 10:39 PM
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you don't react to this, you walk away.
/r/seduction28/04/18 10:36 PM
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"Charisma" is nothing more than shocking honesty. Say what you think and feel without worry or fear.
/r/seduction28/04/18 10:35 PM
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no problem, man. Be good to yourself, and stay in a frame congruent with your wishes.
/r/seduction28/04/18 10:17 PM
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Great to hear!
/r/seduction28/04/18 10:16 PM
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Nice.
/r/seduction28/04/18 10:15 PM
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hot women have way more options than you, that's why. If you had forty cute girls texting you on Tinder, you're going to talk to the *strongest*, least annoying one, and the one who gets to the fucking point. This is why getting to the point and using honesty will take you far. You stand out from the pack this way.
/r/seduction28/04/18 10:12 PM
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"I'll let you know" = "hahaha, sucker". Don't do anything. Let her get back to you. There is no date except in your mind.
/r/seduction28/04/18 04:50 AM
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> After the meeting at school we talked a few days later through text and she really liked my game. Translation: "I'm experienced." >She invited me out to a bar to grab some drinks and I went out with her Sunday night. Translation: "I know what I want and I'm not afraid to get it." A strong, independent woman. My kind of girl. >In the morning i got dressed and told her i had to go to work. She asked me to take the day off work and >spend it with her instead. I said i had to make money and go to …
/r/seduction28/04/18 03:03 AM
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Hit the gym and lift weights. Talk less, read more. Immediately "next" any woman who just wants to be pals. Activity > pondering your mind
/r/seduction28/04/18 02:56 AM
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For seduction, anything is better than living with your parents.
/r/seduction28/04/18 02:54 AM
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>doesn’t want a relationship with anyone rn and nothing I can say will change that Uh...never talk to this woman again.
/r/seduction28/04/18 02:53 AM
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My girlfriend gets several ask-outs a day on insta. She shows me and laughs at them.
/r/seduction28/04/18 02:52 AM
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Boring drama queen. Next time you talk to her: Her: I'm tired of not knowing what I want. You: You're not that popular.
/r/seduction28/04/18 02:51 AM
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I like to work out at my gym. BUT, like Nekic said, if it's blaringly obvious, go for it. Otherwise you'll get a rep with the staff if they catch wind. Also depends on how much you like the gym, lol.
/r/seduction28/04/18 02:25 AM
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Don't do anything. She likes you, will text you when she's back. Sounds like a fun girl. Nice!
/r/seduction28/04/18 02:24 AM
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>I leaned in and tried to kiss but had to settle for a peck on the lips as she didnt believe in kissing on the first date. This is where I next a girl, immediately. What a complete fucking bore! Why waste your time with a woman who won;t even kiss on the first date? Have some standards. >Her : I don't Netflix and chill sorry You: You might be way too conservative for me. CHANGE the FRAME. Right now, she's the princess and you the court jester begging her for your time. And best of all, isn;t tha…
/r/seduction28/04/18 02:18 AM
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>I took her on a coffee date Mistake. coffee dates are for pros. >and walked through a mall. Eh. >I escalated kino the whole time and she wasn’t rejecting it, but obviously was too shy to make a move herself. I talk a lot on this forum about ignoring the "patty cake" handsy kino because it's more often than not handled in a very awkward way by guys with less experience. And because inexperienced guys make it too complicated, like some kind of code or playbook. You should just go for the kiss. Al…
/r/seduction28/04/18 02:11 AM
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Hit the gym. Switch to khaki's or nice pants. Women love tall black guys, lol. At least my current gf and her friends do. They fantasize about it. Part of it is a taller man makes them nervous (in your case, you said you're tall) lol. It's not all rejection because they don't think you're attractive. Much of it is nervousness. But it's the kind of GOOD nervous. MAKE SURE you are wearing nice clothes when you hit up the mall. I'm not joking or stretching the truth when my gf and her friends tell …
/r/seduction25/04/18 06:34 PM
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I prefer blowjobs from 9's and 10's I'm super attracted to and actually want in my life consistently. Everything else is trying to get to that level. ;)
/r/seduction25/04/18 07:11 AM
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So just stop responding mid conversation? Yes. This will seem counter-intuitive to nice guys. But I once had a woman tell me, about one month into courtship, "Gnome, you're not like other guys. I don't feel obligated to have long text conversations with you. It's hot." Being able to walk away from your phone, and from a woman is attractive.
/r/seduction25/04/18 12:36 AM
2

Why just settle for great game when you can have a great body and a great game?
/r/seduction24/04/18 10:09 PM
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It's like catnip, lol.
/r/seduction24/04/18 10:08 PM
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Yes. In my 20's I had a runner build, no fat at all. In my early 40's I have much more size, and some padding on the waist and do better. women are much more disarmed, much more likely to approach me, engage in handsy KINO almost immediately on my arms and shoulders (I've had STRANGERS do this....just women come up and start touching me) and much more likely to engage in first night sex. you DO NOT have to be the obsessive weird lifter who slathers on tanning cream and wear speedos. But having s…
/r/seduction24/04/18 10:04 PM
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you don't. a woman will bring up exclusivity when she feels it. A man cannot corral a woman into a relationship with words. Relationships happen organically, over time, when two people exchange a huge amount of positive emotions and fun. Asking for a woman to be exclusive might work on the 6's you see in so many youtube PUA videos, but not socially valuable women.
/r/seduction24/04/18 10:01 PM
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'Let's grab a drink at Bar X, 9 on Tuesday". Then put the phone down.
/r/seduction24/04/18 10:00 PM
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You don't. Women know when you like them and want to see them. Don't be what I call "Johnny Obvious". She said she couldn't hang out the last time you asked. Don't text her. If she reaches out first, invite her over. If you don't hear from her in 7-10 days, invite her over. Do both within three text exchanges.
/r/seduction24/04/18 09:58 PM
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If she wants exclusivity, and you don't, be the bull elk and let her go.
/r/seduction24/04/18 09:56 PM
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I also call this "shocking honesty". It's a powerful tool.
/r/seduction24/04/18 09:56 PM
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good comment, man.
/r/seduction24/04/18 09:48 PM
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I'm in my early 40's. In a LTR with a 20-something fitness model (two years). Semi-open relationship, I can sleep with who I want, when I want. The problem is I'm not attracted to anyone like my gf, so I rarely take her up. But I do keep sharp by talking to women. My gf is bi, so she'll bring home women and we'll have threesomes. Depends on my mood. I'll go without for a couple months, then for a week I'll literally have naked women just lounging around my place. If I had the internet at 20 like…
/r/seduction24/04/18 06:12 PM
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Not if you're grinning, not if you've got some muscle or a body on par with the woman.
/r/seduction24/04/18 06:04 PM
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Men are lucky, in that we age well. The key to that is fitness. Face bloat (water retention) from carbohydrates is easily fixable with a low-carb diet. Women don't care about faces so much, as they care about fitness, confidence, dress, leading in the bedroom, and emotional maturity. you'll see a lot of guys with "okay" faces, who dress well and have muscles with 9's and 10's on their arms. Look at Jason Statham. Good hygeine, good clothes, muscles, confidence. That look is incredibly popular wi…
/r/seduction24/04/18 07:42 AM
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she came on multiple occasions and even complimented me during the >act. My personal experience (and from coaching) is that if you give a woman multi's, she's blowing up your phone all that week to see you, not backpedaling. Now, that said, you could've given her multi's, and then somehow acted like a Stage Five Clinger, which would negate the orgasms and lower attraction. it takes me so long to cum I only finished once all night. (maybe that >put her off a bit?) I doubt that put her off. Women …
/r/seduction24/04/18 07:23 AM
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Physical fitness is just one element of game, but an important one. It's worth mentioning because it's not something you're born with, but rather something everyone can attain with concentrated effort. also, stop using lines from PUA's on Youtube if you want to succeed. It comes across as super phony. How did those "great lines" work for you? ;)
/r/seduction24/04/18 07:15 AM
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After enough experience, I began to realize I had a "type" (IE, the kind of woman who really does it for me). Once this was established, I also realized I didn't need to waste time on women who weren't this type. Life is too short. Fit. nice cheekbones, skinny thighs or athletic thighs. Big eyes. doe-like. Long hair. sassy, can toss my banter back at me. independent. Doesn't "need" a man. progressive, not conservative. limited-wine drinking (huge, huge turn off for me is a woman who always has a…
/r/seduction24/04/18 03:46 AM
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Two weeks to guys who aren't getting laid may seem like a lifetime (lol), but for attractive women who work out, work, and socialize, two weeks is a BLUR. Text her.
/r/seduction23/04/18 11:55 PM
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Just go for the kiss. Forget all this shit, as it will mess with your head. No hugs. no patty-cake. Plant a kiss like the dominant male actors in the 40's.
/r/seduction23/04/18 11:52 PM
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So you ended a relationship over someone you've never even kissed? Right away, your level of investment for the new girl is unbalanced. You: "Hey, let's grab a drink at Bar X, 9."
/r/seduction23/04/18 11:51 PM
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Beautiful women (9's and 10's) have been told they are beautiful their entire lives. Socially, they act more dominant than men, because quite simply, they have more options. They offer brief, short answers to men who don't meet their standards because they have a ton of options. They feel no emotion about it. It's not bad, or good. It just is. When a man is very fit, good in bed, confident, playful, and emotionally-centered, he'll have naturally accumulated women who want to sleep with him. He h…
/r/seduction23/04/18 11:48 PM
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>I had shit to do so I left at like 10am and gave her a lift to the shop. You're not her errand boy. Also, don't spend the night on first night sex encounters. You're a MAN, with shit to do in the mornings. DO NOT LINGER, lol. Thus my username. Don't be the lingering fucking gnome. Leave on a high note on first night sex, not a clingy note. Spending the night is super fucking clingy. >At some point I got her number during >the night so on the Sunday evening I sent a pretty nonchalant >"recovered…
/r/seduction23/04/18 11:25 PM
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Ar you twelve, bro? or high? "saaaaaame!"? Emoticons? No. Just no.
/r/seduction23/04/18 11:16 PM
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>''Imagine it's Christmas morning!!' Your dad finally got you your pony. You're happy!!' and she smiled and >told her friend (who was still ignoring my friend) what i'd said. This is terrible game right here. Never tell women to smile. It makes a man seem desperate and controlling (and not in the good bedroom way kind of controlling). It sounds like you're dealing with more attractive women. your openers are canned, generic, and try-hard. The best best way to get women like this to talk to you, …
/r/seduction23/04/18 11:14 PM
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Well said. If your life is sitting on a couch and playing video games, you're going to have nothing to talk about.
/r/seduction23/04/18 11:08 PM
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Depends on how you deliver, and the woman. Listen to your radar. A lot of women will scoff, but it's brash and the scoff translates to a perception of confidence. I'll use it on bartenders, or girls in the bar/club scene, not so much in day game.
/r/seduction23/04/18 06:08 AM
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Yeah, the first one is intentionally cheesy. No one uses "gee golly". As for the second, the construction worker doesn't have the balls to say that to her in a bar, he hides amongst his co-workers knowing the woman is on her way to somewhere else.
/r/seduction23/04/18 04:56 AM
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It's definitely fixable (especially since you had sex with her). Just lay back, put the phone down and let her contact you. This is what I call a "needy cleanse". The thing is, most guys don't realize they're doing this, and keep blowing up her phone. It makes them look uncentered and out of options. And then they get dumped. Space, and silence, are good things in early courtship.
/r/seduction23/04/18 12:41 AM
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The only reason I offered to take her to her back appointment was >because I used to live near where she was going and we’d talked about >going there on a date before. It doesn't matter. That's your logic guy brain trying to justify being with her...so badly that you offered to be her errand boy. It is WAY too early in your courtship with her for that. That's bf/gf exclusive type stuff. And when she was talking about it on the date a few days before she >was talking about calling me before becau…
/r/seduction22/04/18 11:01 PM
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Is that you in the blue text box? If so, that made me cringe. You smother her like a blanket with your texts. not only are you smothering her, but you texts are so god damn passive and invested, it's impossible to read. *Put down the fucking phone!* This is how most guys text. this is why this forum is almost entirely men. Offering to take her to her back appointment? WTF? You just smother her with nice-guyness and being super available. This text, other than the "can I take you to your doc" tex…
/r/seduction22/04/18 10:27 PM
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Yep. and that value is built through hard work, over years.
/r/seduction22/04/18 10:10 PM
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You don't "join" a social circle with hot girls. It's not some code to crack, or a secret club. When you improve on all levels (fitness, career, hobbies, reading, vocabulary, bedroom skills), you naturally build up female orbiters. You're not necessarily in their "social circle". For example, the best way to have your cake and eat it too is to be in an open relationship (or one with green lights) with a bi-sexual woman. she'll hopefully have cute friends, and you'll just have a lot of options se…
/r/seduction22/04/18 10:09 PM
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>I matched with this girl on Tinder and opened by sending a gif of ice cream and asked her about her favorite >dessert. I sent the message on Tuesday and she responded this morning. How old are you?
/r/seduction22/04/18 09:59 PM
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> Try a more european line "You are beautiful, That's the same line, lol. and also generic.
/r/seduction22/04/18 09:58 PM
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That's because it's a lazy line. Use specificty: "Golly gee I think you're cute." versus: "You have the nicest ass in this town." which one sounds like it's coming from a guy who has so many options, he kinda doesn't give a fuck?
/r/seduction22/04/18 09:56 PM
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Girls are notorious online stalkers. I've actually had a woman Google me while on the phone and read back what she found. Consider it the curse of an attractive man. There are far worse problems.
/r/seduction21/04/18 07:58 PM
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How is any of this a problem? A woman wants to sleep in your bed. If you don't know what to do at that point, no book, or PUA coach, or divine entity can help you.
/r/seduction21/04/18 07:49 PM
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> After the 2nd or 3rd date all our text convos have just been friendly but we still fuck every time we see each other. Still have another date planned next week. So what is the actual problem? Oh wait...I see the problem now. You're acting neurotic. chill the fuck out and have fun.
/r/seduction21/04/18 07:47 PM
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Don't even text her after the date. You're a busy guy with a lot to do, and other women contacting you. If you don't hear from her in a week and you like her, text her to hang out at your place: You: Hey, it's Netflix and beer night at my place. You should swing by because I don't know how to work the remote.
/r/seduction19/04/18 08:00 PM
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Yeah, the Bay area is insane on housing. If you know you're getting laid, get a hotel room when you leave the bar. Tell her it's temporary as you look for housing "good enough" for you.
/r/seduction18/04/18 11:40 PM
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Sure. First, you don't need to stay all night. Find the women you're attracted to most. Look for IOI's during a max of 30 minutes of conversation/dancing, then invite them back to your place for a drink. Now, guys who are bad with women will worry that this will "offend" women, scare them away. But what you're really doing is being true to yourself, not wasting your time, or hers. You're being authentic. And, you're not being BORING. You're raising the roof. I'll often have women say, "let's chi…
/r/seduction18/04/18 07:45 PM
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Oh man, LOL! Morning texts after first meeting a girl are pathetic as fuck. You should be working, at the gym, reading, hiking, MAN STUFF. >"Good morning Miss [nickname], its the royal prince from bar XYZ. I want to give you a proper welcome to the >city. So, get ready homie !" >side: "royal price" thing was a joke during the convo. I know it sounds cringey as fuck. Bwahahahaha dude..this is so try hard. and it's not authentic AT ALL. Also, I know a lot of PUA guys recommend "call back" where yo…
/r/seduction18/04/18 07:40 PM
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lol! You're texting yourself into a corner. BAD TEXT GAME is the #1 problem on this forum. Put down the fucking phone! Set a date within three texts, and get off the phone.
/r/seduction18/04/18 07:34 PM
1

"Hey, I'm super busy. I'll hit you up later."
/r/seduction18/04/18 07:33 PM
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Take a sticky note, and write this on it: Am I overcontacting this woman? What purpose does this text serve? Am I sending positive emotions, or negative emotions via text? TAPE the sticky note to your phone. Yes, TAPE it. Every time you go to contact a woman, you'll train yourself to stop being so needy. Eventually you won't need the note.
/r/seduction18/04/18 07:32 PM
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You don't. They just want to vent. Switch the topic to light and fun after she's vented.
/r/seduction18/04/18 07:30 PM
1

What did she text you?
/r/seduction18/04/18 07:29 PM
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Nothing. Talk in person. Go for the date in three texts.
/r/seduction18/04/18 07:29 PM
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>Now, one of the younger ones, I had been talking to throughout the night, I talked to her about random stuff. Sounds like you did a lot of talking. Get to the point with women. You should be asking about after parties, etc, not talking about random bullshit.
/r/seduction18/04/18 07:28 PM
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You're focused on a woman from around the world? This is a red flag that you're lacking abundance IN YOUR ZIP CODE. Approach women in your time zone and focus on the gym and clothes.
/r/seduction18/04/18 07:26 PM
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No problem. :)
/r/seduction16/04/18 06:01 AM
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Just be honest with yourself. You're not talking with her to be her pen pal. You like her. You want to have sex with her. When you speak.text with her, be kind to yourself. And by that I mean, don't just listen to her needs. What are yours? And then, be congruent with your need. This will keep you in your frame. I have a simple method that I call "shocking honesty", and another method that's "seguing within context." I'll use your example with her to explain that method. She brought up that you …
/r/seduction15/04/18 09:41 PM
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>Seems like I get a new girl to sleep with every month or so, a couple tinder girls every day. My problem is, I can't seem to turn anything into a relationship. A woman will bring up exclusivity FAST when a man is playful, emotionally-centered (gives her space, isn't needy, etc), dominant, fit, and good in bed. You need to be doing at least 3/5 of those to have a woman bring up exclusivity. If you do not, 9's and 10's will slot you into the "male orbiter deck" until they find a more dominant, sk…
/r/seduction15/04/18 07:41 PM
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>I noticed she was getting the wrong idea yesterday, when she said that the next time we went out I should be >her wingman You: No, you'll be my wing girl, and if you're lucky I might let you join in. BOOM. There's your sexualization, there's your flirting. There's your CONFIDENCE. There's your playfullness. EVERY god damn fucking moment is an opportunity to flirt. Wake up! Snap to!
/r/seduction15/04/18 07:36 PM
1

Yeah and the cart before the horse. Don't worry about what a woman thinks of your stubble until she has proven she meets your standards.
/r/seduction15/04/18 06:56 PM
1

I hear you. Depends on the woman. Some prefer it, some not.
/r/seduction15/04/18 08:07 AM
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Yeah, that's YOU being annoyed by your fear of rejection more than anything, and you're projecting that onto what you think she's thinking.
/r/seduction15/04/18 05:58 AM
1

Not too late.
/r/seduction15/04/18 02:30 AM
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Asking a woman out in the first interaction = a confident man who is honest with himself, and the woman.
/r/seduction15/04/18 02:11 AM
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women tend to get hot and cold when a man is indecisive (it's a weak trait). It doesn't matter how much you've talked to her. she knows you like her. Get to the point with women...or they'll get to the point with someone else.
/r/seduction15/04/18 01:00 AM
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Ask her out and find out. Like a man.
/r/seduction14/04/18 11:56 PM
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Instagram works for celebrities, or people who take really good photos. If you're not either one, I would look to improve photography skills, or delete the account. A sad, lonely account is worse than none.
/r/seduction14/04/18 11:55 PM
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All women worth being with (lol) will have orbiters. Some are ex's, some are friend-zoned (nice guy losers), some she kisses, some she flirts with, maybe one or two she fucks every couple of weeks. now, *why does she keep all these orbiters, and not commit*? Because none of them tick ALL the boxes: Fit Emotionally-centered. Playful, fun. Great in bed. dominant, confident. As soon as a 9 or 10 finds a man who does this, *she organically fades out the orbiters from her life* and thus, a relationsh…
/r/seduction14/04/18 10:26 PM
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>She wanted, we had sex a couple of times and she seemed genuinely interested. Until she met my friend >yesterday... now she is only asking about him. If you did your job in the bedroom, she wouldn't be doing this. hot women will generally consider first sex a try out. If it's not great, they will put you back in their "deck of orbiters" in the hopes of finding a more dominant lover. Read up on how to give orgasms and to be more dominant in bed. WOMEN SHOULD BE BLOWING UP YOUR PHONE after first …
/r/seduction14/04/18 10:21 PM
1

You come off as emotionally-uncentered, honestly. Man up. Read more, go for hikes. Increase your vocabulary, expand your mind.
/r/seduction14/04/18 10:20 PM
1

Sounds like you smother the girls you want, and don't let it unfold naturally. You have to keep repeating that first night game in early courtship until she gets feelings.
/r/seduction14/04/18 10:18 PM
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He was being himself, saying what he thought. Using "shocking honesty". It's insanely effective. Dominance. You talked too much, kissed too much ass. Stop being the lame ass court jester trying to please everyone, and please YOURSELF, like your friend did. He was bored, so he looked at his phone. He didn't like what a woman was doing with SNAP, so he told her. Just honest. Real. NOT AFRAID of offending women, not caring what they think. that's hot. I talk *a lot* about the "shocking honesty meth…
/r/seduction14/04/18 10:06 PM
1

dude...that couldn't be further from the truth. Many, many women prefer stubble and beards. In fact, scientific studies prove that "stubble" or "light beard" is the most attractive.
/r/seduction14/04/18 10:03 PM
1

Light beard is worth trying.
/r/seduction14/04/18 04:28 AM
1

Nope. Gorgeous women, too. Everyone has a preferred type. And shaved head, beard, and muscles is a great type to be. Or, keep your thinning hair, baby face, and thin build because it's working so well for you.
/r/seduction14/04/18 02:18 AM
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Hit the gym, bulk up a bit. Grow a beard. Read more than you watch TV. Traditionally attractive faces aren't as important for seduction as confidence, muscles, and good inner game. A lot of men don;t figure out what their physical "zone" is. The goal is to be the most masculine you. For some it's a thick beard, for others it's stubble. For example, a skinny guy, with thinning hair, baby face and no muscles can have great game, yet still struggle initially. you CAN become more masculine. Shave an…
/r/seduction13/04/18 11:53 PM
1

Yep, lol. Anything that is ACTIVE, or shows you care about shit other than video games.
/r/seduction13/04/18 10:38 PM
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sounds like you put on weight. Hit the gym, weights 3-4x a week, carbs under 80 grams a day, waist under 36 inches. Shave your head if you're balding, experiment with stubble head or clean shave. For white guys like me, stubble head seems to work best.
/r/seduction13/04/18 09:53 PM
1

"Hey, let's grab a drink at Bar X, 9." Then you put down the fucking phone.
/r/seduction13/04/18 09:49 PM
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It's all about a defined face, good body, decent clothes, pics with other women, and "active pics". By active pics, I mean NO pics depicting a couching lifestyle (video games, dark indoor shots with bros, etc). A lot of guys take these sad pics with women, and you can tel the girl is just a pal, lol. The guy is making 100% of the effort in the photo by leaning in. You DO NOT have to look like Brad Pitt. 9's and 10's on Tinder LOVE muscles and a dominant look guy. Important to keep your carbs dow…
/r/seduction13/04/18 09:45 PM
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It's over. To increase your first night sex on dates: hit the gym, build muscle. escalate on first dates, respectfully. get good at kissing. remain playful, centered. Don't yap your head off.
/r/seduction13/04/18 09:38 PM
1

Tall women are BRUTAL about men shorter than them. I hear it...a lot. Plenty of beautiful women your height or shorter.
/r/seduction12/04/18 09:58 PM
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You: "Hey, online stalking is the highest form of flattery. Let's grab a drink at bar X, 9pm." Playful, honest with your desires, to the point. Like a man.
/r/seduction12/04/18 09:13 PM
6

Libraries. Book stores. gym. Tinder. Get to point, ask women over.
/r/seduction12/04/18 09:11 PM
3

Chill out, grasshopper. Let her get back to you.
/r/seduction12/04/18 09:10 PM
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This forum should require post creators who ask questions to post their age. This guy sounds like he's 15.
/r/seduction12/04/18 09:10 PM
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Not all of us, thankfully.
/r/seduction12/04/18 09:08 PM
1

Dude, if you're not attracted to her, then don't have sex.
/r/seduction12/04/18 09:07 PM
1

Yeah get all that out of your head. just control how you show up.
/r/seduction12/04/18 08:50 PM
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i've put on some gains that increased my results with women by >exactly 0%. don't believe me? try it yourself. go to the gym and tone up >for 3-6 months. put on some muscle, get some abs, watch your >nutrition, etc. I do. For decades. again, i guarantee you that after you're done transforming your body, >your results when it comes to day and nightgame are going to be >exactly the same as what they were before you started working out. Not for me. increased approach of women to me, increase in fir…
/r/seduction11/04/18 11:51 PM
1

Nice, man! Glad to help.
/r/seduction11/04/18 11:38 PM
6

Sure. I just drink a water. No bill on my end.
/r/seduction11/04/18 10:41 PM
1

By focusing on your inner game, fitness, and career to the point where women chase you. For example, an emotionally-centered celebrity with a killer body is going to be unstoppable. Improving in all aspects creates a social stud. And by social stud, I don;t mean a frat bot getting blackout drunk with his bros every night. I mean a man who has 10's blowing up his phone and he has his pick.
/r/seduction11/04/18 10:24 PM
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Women want men to lead in courtship and in the bedroom. they prefer to lead elsewhere. I have literally had women tell me "I don't want to have to pick the place, or the time."
/r/seduction11/04/18 09:47 PM
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That's a passive and un-confident ask-out. It's the verbal equivalent of a limp dick. "Let's grab a drink at Bar X, 9 on Tuesday." "It's Netflix and beer night at my place. Swing by." "My place, 8 pm. Dress hot or my butler won't let you in." *confidence* + *specific time* = leading
/r/seduction11/04/18 09:39 PM
1

You maintain interest in person. Set a date immediately.
/r/seduction11/04/18 09:37 PM
1

Brush against him "accidentally". See how he responds.
/r/seduction11/04/18 09:35 PM
1

lol.
/r/seduction11/04/18 09:34 PM
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Dude. My friend. Stop taking first dates to dinner. Get a drink. THAT's IT. Make her pay for her own drink.
/r/seduction11/04/18 09:29 PM
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>asked her if she wanted to go out sometime on a date, she said she was interested. ALWAYS ask a woman out with a specific day and time. Lead like a man, not a flopping fish. >she was busy because of a religious holiday, but said she would let me know soon about what day she would be free. Uh...why did you not back away here? She told you she'd let you know. Stop texting her at this point. >From there we kept talking back and forth. LOL. Why did you do this? When yo uask a woman out, set a speci…
/r/seduction11/04/18 09:28 PM
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Nothing is wrong. Early courtship sometimes has these pauses. She may have an ex in her life, etc. Send her a funny puppy pic to lighten things up,show you're human. Keep up the path.
/r/seduction11/04/18 09:23 PM
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You: "Great, let's hang out because I'm not complicated at all."
/r/seduction11/04/18 09:22 PM
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Again, you need to read the study: *NOT A SINGLE WOMAN PREFERRED THE WEAKER, FEMININE MALE BODIES* Sorry, but I'll take the results of lifelong, dedicated scientists and peer reviewed studies over your guesses.
/r/seduction11/04/18 09:17 PM
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girls that weren't into the guy beforehand are not suddenly going to >want him now that he has bigger muscles. Men with muscles have a first night sex advantage, and "fling" advantage over scrawnier peers. You really have to brush up on your science. It's the most important part of game: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/dec/13/polish-up-your-pecs-women-prefer-strong-men-say-scientists “Our data couldn’t find even a single woman that preferred weaker or feminine male bodies.” It's common …
/r/seduction11/04/18 08:45 PM
2

Yeah, good odds at 4/5 things. Just don't bring it up. Women have to feel it, and that feeling comes to them when they receive enough positive emotions from you over time.
/r/seduction11/04/18 08:22 PM
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It's because attractive women have numerous orbiters. Imagine having four to five really hot women texting you every day. Imagine the texts pouring in, and you have to choose between good choices. Now imagine how you'd respond to the more annoying of these women, or a woman who wasn't up to snuff as the others. She'd get the late responses, wouldn't she?
/r/seduction11/04/18 08:10 PM
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honestly, working out to get girls is incredibly stupid. not many guys know this, but girls don't give a shit about big muscles. girls would rather you have a hot looking face. for a guy who has an average looking face, working out and getting muscles will only get him so far, probably to the point where he won't see a noticeable bump in his lays Nope. Scientific studies confirm muscular men have an increased chance of first night sex by 30-40% over scrawnier men. You don't have to be one of tho…
/r/seduction11/04/18 08:08 PM
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It's misleading and stupid.
/r/seduction11/04/18 08:04 PM
2

This sounds like insecurity.
/r/seduction11/04/18 08:03 PM
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lol, it's not an "either/or" situation. There are many places a man can improve for HIMSELF. When you add up all of the improvements, they create a synergistic effect that is unstoppable in the social context. You might have good game, but a guy with a great body who also has good game has you beat. The more a man improves (fitness, career, vocabulary, self-awareness, passions), the better he'll do. honestly, your post reads like you were out gaming, and a lifter took your prospect home.
/r/seduction11/04/18 08:01 PM
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A week. If she texts you first, invite her over to your place within the next three texts.
/r/seduction11/04/18 07:58 PM
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After getting my shit together, reached out and appologized for being pretty lack luster and explained my piece. Why? She was really appreciative that I reached out I bet. You're groveling at her feet and it feeds her validation needs. we chatted some and now months later we are actually pretty decent friends. Grab a bite occasionally and chat pretty often (though strictly platonic, it's still nice to have her around as a friend) Translation: "I still want to fuck her, but I don't have the balls…
/r/seduction11/04/18 07:58 PM
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> what are the chances of her actually trying to make this something serious/the situation moving onto the next level? If you are fit, playful, fun, emotionally-centered and good in bed, the chances are very good she'll bring it up soon.
/r/seduction11/04/18 07:56 PM
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If what you're doing isn't working, do something else. What's not working in your example? Mundane chit chat. "Planning". Instead of setting up dates, invite her over with an honest text. Just say what you're thinking. She's not meeting up with you because you're boring her. "Hey I'm free tonight and feeling frisky. You're welcome to swing by."
/r/seduction11/04/18 07:53 PM
1

I wanted to rip this post for being nothing but platitudes and lacking specific advice, but the sentiment is correct overall.
/r/seduction11/04/18 07:51 PM
11

Who cares. Women love players.
/r/seduction11/04/18 07:50 PM
3

"Yeah I am".
/r/seduction11/04/18 07:49 PM
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> Honestly this is partly on me I asked her I to go for a ice cream Are you twelve? From the get go,be stronger, more assertive.
/r/seduction11/04/18 07:49 PM
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You're welcome, man.
/r/seduction10/04/18 09:40 PM
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Read my post history, I go into a lot of detail. The best way to not be attached is to focus on yourself with activities, and to create several options of women.
/r/seduction10/04/18 09:39 PM
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Hit the gym, 3-4x a week with weights. Invest in a Kindle, pick up some cool looking books. Go on hikes, work on a hobby, focus on your career. Go to bars in your free time, talkto women, ask them out. Rinse, repeat. The bull elk does not lay in bed, sad. The bull elk MIGHT be sad, but he still feeds in the meadow. He still drinks from the creeks. He still climbs the mountains. And then the sadness goes away.
/r/seduction10/04/18 01:41 AM
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Dominance is a mindset, not a physical trait. That said, you can improve how YOU feel, and your chances with women by adding muscle.
/r/seduction10/04/18 01:39 AM
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> She’s even brought up like a week ago that >she potentially sees a future between us but isn’t looking for >anything long term right now(she raised the topic) and she wouldn’t mind if I seen other girls. Translation: "You keep acting in a way that wants me to tell you where I stand, so HERE is where I stand. You're too clingy, and I'd like you to see other women, and I'll see other men". Had you been following my posts here, you'd have read that the "where do we stand" questions and phone need…
/r/seduction10/04/18 01:10 AM
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This is how modern and socially valuable women operate these days. "Dating" comes organically. If you can't keep your emotions in check, if you're impatient, you're not boyfriend material. Also, you don't ask if you're dating, and you don't presume your dating, and you don;t try to corral women into exclusivity with words. Assume she's seeing others, and you as well until she brings it up. If you're fit, good in bed, emotionally-centered and playful, she'll bring it up fast. If you aren't doing …
/r/seduction10/04/18 01:05 AM
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All a man can control is how he shows up everyday. He can't control other people, men or women. You can see this on the people's faces who try to do it...it's pathetic and comes off as bitterness and desperation. hit the gym. Put on muscles (which increases first night sex by 30-40%, and makes you stand out without saying a word). Wear decent clothes. Read more, talk less. Focus on goals. this is how you eliminate competition. Fitness, increased vocabulary, ability to shut the fuck up and not ya…
/r/seduction09/04/18 11:37 PM
5

Your only competition....is you.
/r/seduction09/04/18 11:05 PM
3

I know, it sucks. But it's the way forward. Plus great practice at orgasm-giving skills. And once you can make most women orgasm (only 30% of women can orgasm just from intercourse), 9's and 10's will not want to leave you.
/r/seduction09/04/18 09:44 PM
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you might have a developing case of social anxiety then. Approach women you aren't afraid of, sleep with them. The hotties are picking up on your anxiety. A few rolls in the hay will make it fade.
/r/seduction09/04/18 09:17 PM
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When is the last time you measured your waist? I'm not trying to rip on you. But a lot of people wonder what's wrong with their social lives (as you're doing. Usually it's guys saying they are too old at 35, when the reality is they just got fat) when honstly they don't truly understand what fitness is. The waist measurement cuts right through the bullshit and mental blinders we put on. ;)
/r/seduction09/04/18 08:59 PM
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Because dominant, confident men go for what they want *on the first night*, and as the weeks progress, if you act like a friend, that's exactly what you'll be.
/r/seduction09/04/18 08:27 PM
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you probably got fat. Happens to most of us at some point. Being chunky or obese is the single biggest social life destroyer unless you're famous. Be honest with yourself. Purchase a measuring tape ($2 at Target). Wrap it around your waist. if it's over 36 inches between the belly button and first rib, you're fat.
/r/seduction09/04/18 08:24 PM
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> How do I flirt with a girl over text for the next week until the date just enough to have the sexual tension be where I want it to be when we finally meet up? DONT. Meet up at the date, have fun.
/r/seduction09/04/18 08:23 PM
1

lol. guilty.
/r/seduction09/04/18 08:19 PM
3

But you can be a leader without being THE leader of the pack. BOOM! The ultimate alpha DOESNT NEED A PACK.
/r/seduction09/04/18 08:19 PM
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Respectfully your definition is wrong. You cannot be shy and quiet and still be alpha. This is completely wrong. The true alpha male: Clint Eastwood, Jason Statham. The alpha male is the bull elk. he doesn't need to say, or do much. His physicality, his demeanor does most of the talking for him. The true alpha is the Alpha is the cream of the crop, the strongest of the pack. Very rarely does shyness and reservedness co-exist with the strongest of the pack. A true alpha doesn't need to lead any p…
/r/seduction09/04/18 08:17 PM
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Nailed it again, man. Listen to this guy, Seduction readers.
/r/seduction09/04/18 08:13 PM
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>Yep. I would be a huge slut if it weren’t such an absolute struggle to find a single fuckable man among a >sea of dudes who have the same haircut they’ve had since adolescence hahah, I love this. and whose wardrobe is dominated by ill fitting sports jerseys / college t shirts and khaki cargo shorts from target. I talk about this a lot here, about all the bros wearing sports team crap, and how it hurts them. I don’t usually date “alpha” types, just guys who give a shit about their appearance, co…
/r/seduction09/04/18 08:12 PM
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Well said, Crash. Men who are fit, yet also attractive emotionally are extremely rare. It's one of the reasons why 20-something women have no problem getting serious with 30-40 year old men who hit the gym, and who have figured a few things out.
/r/seduction09/04/18 08:08 PM
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Yes. By me. And by other men with abundance and options. I reject any woman, regardless of her looks who is needy and emotionally-uncentered, the way that a socially valuable woman rejects men who are needy and emotionally centered.
/r/seduction09/04/18 08:06 PM
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No problem. Just remember you don;t really have to do anything. No "big talk" with her is necessary because there isn't a committed relationship. What you should do is stop initiating contact with her (if she texts you, tell her you're super busy and will get back to her shortly) and to begin seeing other women. Not only will you have fun with the women, but it's also the best way to get this woman chasing you.
/r/seduction08/04/18 08:04 PM
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Yeah, it's my euphemism for a dominant, centered male. Strong and independent women who are looking for romance will scoff at being dragged to a frat boy hang session. Asking a woman out for a drink, and then meeting a bunch of your bros makes it seem like you need a security blanket. It's different if you *meet* the woman for the first time with your bros, or things have progressed and you're hanging in your social circle. But it's pathetic early courtship game to have them tag along on a first…
/r/seduction08/04/18 04:41 AM
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Everything that is worth your time is hard. What most guys don't get is that you don't need to look like 25 year old Brad Pitt to do well with 9's and 10's. It's all about fitness and confidence and being emotionally-centered. Guys age well if they stay fit. Keep your carbs under 80 grams a day. moderate drinking. Build muscle. Hit the gym for one hour, 3-4x a week for a year and you'll see big changes. Sleep with more women, experiment with orgasm techniques. Read more, go on hikes, adopt a cat…
/r/seduction08/04/18 01:10 AM
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"Hey, I wanted to be totally upfront with you. I'm only feeling a friend vibe. I do wish you the best, though!". The bull elk is direct and honest with women, good or bad news. Her feelings will be hurt, but at least you're not wasting her time. And this is called *acting like a man*.
/r/seduction07/04/18 11:52 PM
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hit the gym. Muscular men have a 30-40% advantage over their skinnier peers with first night sex. The study results correlate with my personal experience as well. you don;t have to get into the weird, obsessive pink thong-wearing, tanning orange level of lifting, but there's something about broad shoulders and big arms that just melts women faster. Women like to feel feminine ,and nestling up to a bigger guy helps with that. >Whenever I'm at a party i try to have fun by dancing and trying to tal…
/r/seduction07/04/18 10:34 PM
2

Find a woman who is hotter, smarter, and better in bed. Fixed.
/r/seduction07/04/18 10:30 PM
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It's very weak behavior on first dates. I've actually heard women complain about this exact thing: "He brought me to hang out with his bros, and it was supper annoying, so I friendzoned him the next morning". A man, a bull elk, can handle a woman by himself in early courtship
/r/seduction07/04/18 10:28 PM
2

Boom.
/r/seduction07/04/18 10:14 PM
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Fast forward a couple of months and she tells me she needs to move out cause she was getting a divorce with her husband. Being the standup guy that I was No. you weren't a stand up guy, you were her bitch. I helped her out with all her small issues (finding a new flat, helping her with the legal stuff cause I'd personally gone through that myself - I even went out of my way and tried my best to get her to reconcile her marriage since that is what I wish someone would have told my ex-wife aswell)…
/r/seduction07/04/18 10:11 PM
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>I went out with a few girls over the last months and every time I liked one, I would ask: how about, you pretty girl I really like, we make this a relationship? BAD move, lol. one of the worst things you can do in early courtship. People with abundance and many options (mostly women) understand that relationships happen over time, organically. I talk a lot on this forum about how important it is to be emotionally-centered. Asking as woman for a relationships after a few dates is not that. >Hone…
/r/seduction07/04/18 10:04 PM
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These are "nice guys", but they don't realize they're actually being creepy by using dinner and a movie as a bribe for sex. that's why a man who is playful, direct and openly congruent with his desires and whom asks a woman home with an hour or two is actually doing the less creepy thing. Most guys think this is counter-intuitive, but it's reality.
/r/seduction07/04/18 09:55 PM
2

The man leads by setting up only drink dates early on. If he's dumb enough to pay for a dinner for someone he doesn't even know he might like, he deserves it.
/r/seduction07/04/18 09:54 PM
1

If you let yourself be shit, you don't value yourself.
/r/seduction06/04/18 12:58 AM
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Fitness (lifting). 2. Decent clothes. 3. Good hygiene. 4. Don't drink too much. Make *precise* visits to bars. For example, on a Tuesday evening, go into Bar 1. If there are no options after ten minutes, go to Bar 2., etc. If you see a woman you like, approach right away.
/r/seduction05/04/18 08:41 PM
1

So your argument boils down to, "be a slob and date 5's". Nice.
/r/seduction05/04/18 08:03 PM
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she isn't interested, your post is , "I need to do XYZ to make her like me" No, it's "I need to do XYZ to improve myself for myself, and the benefit is I'll be physically and emotionally attractive to the opposite sex so I do the choosing of who stays in my life." This is not What the community is about, if a women don't like you, find another women, stop trying to be this amazing guy and hopes she likes you. This is terrible advice, and your grammar is bad on top of it. It's not about molding y…
/r/seduction05/04/18 05:33 AM
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Thanks man. I'm sure you'll do great with the next girl.
/r/seduction05/04/18 01:20 AM
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Been there, man! Main reasons for not getting second dates: Talking too much. I like a good solid 70-30% ratio of her to you. Ask questions. Not escalating. I like to have one or two drinks, then ask her back to my place if I like her. She knows what this means. Over-texting after the first date. Let the date BREATHE. Don't text her the morning after. Let her enjoy thinking of you. There's power there. Mystery. I will always let a woman text me first after a date, sex or not. A man not contactin…
/r/seduction05/04/18 12:37 AM
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Socially valuable people (attractive, in hot shape) have a *ton* of options. They can pick and choose. If a woman of this caliber isn't texting you back for a day, it's because you're boring her - usually due to not being a challenge. Women love a mysterious man...a man who challenges them unlike all the ass-kissers and fawners who blow up their phone everyday. One of the reasons why setting up a date and getting off the phone is so great for early courtship. There are so, so many "text jockeys"…
/r/seduction05/04/18 12:29 AM
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I like this response, you hit the nail on the head. Thanks. However I think this forum should be able to help men fix being clingy and improve their social intelligence.Rather than say screw it nothing can be done so avoid that situation . This forum should be able to correct these problems or at least get men started in the right direction.A man who is able to curb is clinginess and has a good social intelligence is highly seductive after all. Agreed! It can be repaired. Which is why I recommen…
/r/seduction04/04/18 10:22 PM
1

*where we stand And why is this a sign emotionally immaturity? Because it's based on insecurity and fear of loss. A man who is intuitive with women understands you can't force a relationship through words. Good relationships are formed through a mutual exchange of organic, positive emotions over time. You are making yourself very open at the risk of being humiliated, how you react matters of course. But if you get rejected and are able to move on with ease then that is emotional maturity. Nonsen…
/r/seduction04/04/18 10:19 PM
1

It's possible. It honestly sounds VERY early and he's fearing losing her and letting his emotions dictate his behavior. He shouldn't. It's super early.
/r/seduction04/04/18 10:16 PM
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Children play games. Men state what they want and let it be known. Men don't rush relationships. When they do, they post "what happened?" threads here. If she’s interested good if not then move on. He clearly wants to lock her down. Go for it. That's not how you keep beautiful, fit women in your life. Patience is an integral part of seduction and early courtship.
/r/seduction04/04/18 10:15 PM
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the bummer about this is she's at your gym. I don't hit on women at the gym, because I love working out, and that's my primary goal.
/r/seduction04/04/18 09:36 PM
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Invite her over, and HAVE FUN. That's it! That's what love is. That's what courtship is. When two people begin to mutually experience a wide volume of positive emotions from each other's company, then they naturally fall into a committed relationship. You're not there yet.
/r/seduction04/04/18 09:27 PM
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Don’t play games. If you’re interested say it and own it. If you want a relationship tell her and tell her you enjoy her company. I'm sure she knows he enjoys her company. This is implied when they spend time together. There's no need to be "Johnny Obvious". If she says that she’s not interested then you move on and that’s that. Save yourself some heart ache and just pull the bandaid off instead of playing games.That what adult communication means. I highly recommend the book “Attached”. This is…
/r/seduction04/04/18 09:24 PM
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Then if you know your worth then you shouldn't be insecure and be able to put yourself out there and ask where we stand. a man who is experienced with, and/or whom understands women always knows where he stands. A man asking where he stands is a sign of emotionally-immaturity.
/r/seduction04/04/18 09:21 PM
1

Yep. this is the reality.
/r/seduction04/04/18 09:20 PM
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Why is not a guys responsibility to make his intentions known? Because most men are far more needy than women, and have less social intelligence. It's why women do most of the dumping. And asking for a committment too soon is a great way to have socially valuable women (fit, lean women) dump you. Being too clingy and uncentered is why this forum exists, and why it consists mostly of men who are getting blown off.
/r/seduction04/04/18 09:19 PM
1

Then that women needs to push for exclusivity if that's what she wants.
/r/seduction04/04/18 09:17 PM
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Honestly, it's *terrible*. I talk a lot on this forum about how being fit and having decent clothes and good hygiene will increase your chances of attracting 9 and 10's. But that won't *keep* socially valuable women in your life. In order to keep these women in your life, you have to be *emotionally-centered*. Asking "where you stand" is NOT that. It is a sign of a needy and impatient man who doesn't understand early courtship or women all that well in the context of seduction.
/r/seduction04/04/18 09:16 PM
1

"Let's grab a drink at Bar x, 9pm tomorrow."
/r/seduction03/04/18 07:06 PM
1

no. Scars add character.
/r/seduction03/04/18 07:05 PM
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"Nice pic. I'm off work at 8, swing by my place".
/r/seduction03/04/18 06:45 PM
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This is a seduction forum. The purpose is to meet, talk to , and seduce women, not embrace a sedentary couching lifestyle. Perhaps playing too many video games has altered your ability to clearly see context?
/r/seduction03/04/18 05:25 PM
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Same, man.
/r/seduction03/04/18 01:43 AM
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Thanks, man. Inexperienced guys will downvote it, because they don't yet grasp just how their emotions totally control their behavior. And that's not a knock on them at all. It took me a long time, too. But it's remedied by reading more and gaining more experience with women. Basically, a day-by-day increase of self-awareness and an ability to look outside the box. BTW, that's not meant for you as obviously you get it. But for the forum overall.
/r/seduction03/04/18 01:39 AM
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I read some of your posts...I think we have more in common in terms of game and results than I thought, lol.
/r/seduction03/04/18 12:12 AM
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Video games are fun. But they will rot your mind and your body. Get yourself a Kindle, and invest in some literature. Get yourself a CD player or record player, and invest in a few vinyl albums. Get yourself a gym membership, and start lifting. Order up a hiking map of your nearest park and hit the trails. All of these things will begin to have a synergistic effect. Your body will look better. Your vocabulary will expand. Your mind will expand. Keep your sugar and carbs under 80 grams a day unle…
/r/seduction03/04/18 12:02 AM
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It's not a challenge, nor am I trying to be unfriendly :) But, I will say that your post came off as inauthentic, and covering for a lack of success.
/r/seduction02/04/18 11:56 PM
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When is the last time you slept with a woman? Because this post reads as very defensive.
/r/seduction02/04/18 11:10 PM
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The thing is I find it a bit counter intuitive. Most good advice is. I feel the girls I match with wouldn’t want me to ask them on a date in 5 messages. I usually talk a bit with them, we get to know each other and then I’ll ask for the date. You don't get to know people over text. A man who is good with women understands that adults get to know each other in person. So far I’ve had no success at all. I have plenty of matches (and I get it that girls are there for validation) but none have resul…
/r/seduction02/04/18 11:07 PM
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Hot! This is your woman being honest with you. Honesty is hot. and here's the thing you're going to have to accept: Your gf will be attracted to people other than you. It's science. And your ego will never "win" over science. Instead, you have to learn to control your emotional response to it. Sounds like she's into exploring things with you and other women, and other men. I talk a lot about this on this forum, but women are MUCH more open minded and freakier than men (for the most part). And it…
/r/seduction02/04/18 10:47 PM
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Hey Anon. I want to get your opinion here. The hot girl from the gym is essentially an afterthought now because i haven't heard from her in 4 days. It's all good, don't contact her. Anyways: I went out with a girl on Saturday. The date went well, but she wasn't able to come over after because she had to be up early to help cook for Easter. That actually sounds legit. But, this is why I always advise a man to ask a woman home within an hour of meeting at the bar. Women are generally more responsi…
/r/seduction02/04/18 10:27 PM
2

I agree. There's a fine line between being challenging and a cold fish. The latter will get you nexted.
/r/seduction01/04/18 10:10 PM
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If she's chasing you for sex all the time, then obviously you're doing everything right and shouldn't follow the "one date a week" thing. It's more of a guideline for men who haven't figured out how to control their emotions yet (the #1 reason why Seduction forums exist).
/r/seduction01/04/18 09:43 PM
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If you’ve been having sex with a woman consistently for over a month, I don’t believe it’s needy to send her a funny teasing text or Snap comment every once in a while to let you know you’re thinking about her, especially when she is also initiating contact. Yeah, but this is heading towards a relationship. Not super early courtship. This girl has been a breath of fresh air, and I want to at least partially reciprocate her interest in me, and the affection and passion that she shows me in bed. a…
/r/seduction01/04/18 09:12 PM
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Any contact is needy unless you're in a relationship. BOOOOOOM!!!!! I cannot upvote this enough. How many flirty snaps does Brad Pitt, Leo, or Jared Leto send? BAM! I imagine they don't because they are neck deep in hot women that would be all over them. 100%. How many low investment, non-needy messages does Elon Musk send to women he JUST met? I would imagine NONE because he has things 100x more important to focus on. Eh...most business men are pretty needy IMHO. Their inner game in terms of ke…
/r/seduction01/04/18 09:10 PM
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https://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/a19517211/muscular-men-attract-women/ "New research out of UCLA confirms: Women are attracted to muscular guys. A series of six studies found that muscular guys are catnip to women looking for fun, and they have twice as many partners as average Joes and weaklings." It's just common sense. People with great bodies feel better, look better, and have more options.
/r/seduction01/04/18 08:05 AM
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You don't need a book, just remember that saracasm (banter) can always be used. all you have to do is recognize context. In this case, the context is she described herself as a product from Columbia. Sarcasm is sequing WITHIN context. Thus, the receipt comment.
/r/seduction01/04/18 02:53 AM
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There are ways around it though, so don't give up hope, lol. BUT, you want to be moving towards having your own place. There are two things that are very serious social life obstacles: They are being fat, and/or living with your parents. You're going to have to get a hotel room, but do it on the sly. "hey let's go back to my hotel room and grab more drinks." She'lll be all like, "hotel room?" and you'll say "yep. staying there until I find a new apartment." If she agrees to go back with you, res…
/r/seduction01/04/18 02:28 AM
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I can guarantee you your dates are picking up on that...on your fear of "what next?", and it's causing them to next you. If you want to improve, you have to get your own place. doesn't matter how shitty it is, it's still superior.
/r/seduction01/04/18 02:08 AM
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Are you jealous of the guys, or jealous of the girls you like talking to guys?
/r/seduction01/04/18 01:34 AM
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Every date typically is either lunch, movie or something. Lunch dates are for pals, business partners or girlfriends. Movie dates are terrible for early courtship unless they're at your place. Starting setting dates at NIGHT, at a bar. a nice, chill bar will have warm lighting (flattering) and having attractive hired guns around also adds to the atmosphere. What environment is better for seduction? That, or the cold clinical light at a Starbucks or restaurant, with granpda and grandma running ar…
/r/seduction01/04/18 01:33 AM
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I know I need to keep conversation going to keep her interested in me. Ahhh...I keep seeing this over and over. Biggest fallacy on the forum. Don't text her for a few days. She's not your girlfriend. See if she reaches out.Text with a purpose. Ask her out on the next text, make it a date after your studies. I’m out of town for the weekend and have a bunch of tests next week, as does she, so I was hoping just to keep in contact with her. I’m trying to think of some things that sound natural to st…
/r/seduction01/04/18 12:07 AM
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sit at the bar, side by side. Have one or two drinks, then invite her home within an hour. Don't pay for her drink.
/r/seduction01/04/18 12:04 AM
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A lot of women are at bars to fuck. Hit the weights! Muscular men have a 30-40% first night sex ratio advantage over their scrawnier peers. If you're not a celebrity, a great body is the next best thing. These things will have women approaching you, but they won't KEEP women in in your life. You need good inner game and bedroom skills for that.
/r/seduction01/04/18 12:03 AM
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Girl: I have a tattoo on my leg Me: What tattoo do you have? Girl: Made in Colombia Me: Do you have a receipt so I can return you there in case I don't like you?
/r/seduction01/04/18 12:00 AM
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Always the first.
/r/seduction01/04/18 12:00 AM
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Translation: "Slow down, cowboy. This is supposed to be fun, not serious". Stop talking about your feelings with her. Let things happen naturally. This is a woman's last warning before she dumps you for being a clinger. Stop having Debbie Downer "talks" with her, and live in the moment. This will straighten it out. There's no need for "talks" in early courtship. Very attractive women will slowly pull away when negative emotions overcome positive emotions in early courtship. You can get away with…
/r/seduction31/03/18 11:50 PM
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Ignore it.
/r/seduction31/03/18 11:49 PM
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Paragraphs work great with women who aren't that cute. For really attractive 9's and 10's who have been spoiled and ass-kissed by men their entire lives, they are VICIOUS in social game, it won't work. These women have been inundated with nutjobs and emotionally-unstable men who blow up their phones, threaten them ,and stalk them, and they have various ways to weed out men who can't control their emotions. they don't respect weak men, AT ALL. And they'll next you and not feel a hint of remorse.
/r/seduction31/03/18 11:48 PM
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Ask the girl out within three message exchanges. If she says "no", move on to the next girl. Most guys will find this advice counter-intuitive. They think you need to be VERY careful, text the girl a lot, wait for exactly the right moment. but that's wrong. By going for what you want in a respectful way, and getting to the point, you're conveying to the most socially valuable women (fit 9's and 10's) that you're a confident, dominant guy who values his time. What you don't say is often more attr…
/r/seduction31/03/18 10:22 PM
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I really dislike squats and don't do them.
/r/seduction31/03/18 09:25 PM
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no, it doesn't. But it is an advantage. And so is a great body. See, the more advantages you combine, the more women approach you. So it's better to do the work than make excuses and play the victim.
/r/seduction31/03/18 09:24 PM
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How can you give advice if you haven't even tried it? In my experience, I have more women approaching after a couple years of weights than before, when I had a jogger's build. And studies indicate that muscular men have a 30-40% increase chance of first night sex over scrawnier peers. Having a great body absolutely increases your chances of being approached, just like a woman who has a great body increases men approaching her. If your hair is falling out, shave it.
/r/seduction31/03/18 09:05 PM
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Bumble is freaking great. Most men grumble because the woman has to make the first move, but it saves you so much time because those women are down.
/r/seduction31/03/18 08:58 PM
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Hit the weights. Dress decent, good cloths, good eye contact. Or become a celebrity, lol. The odds of women coming to you increase significantly here.
/r/seduction31/03/18 08:57 PM
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Just gotta say to her "Friends isn't going to work for me. I feel a little more than friends is where I'm at emotionally and I'm not going to deny it to myself by settling for friends. But if you change your mind, give me a call." That's awfully wordy. Just don't do anything. don't respond. When a girl friend-zones you ice cold like that, just move on.
/r/seduction31/03/18 08:54 PM
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But then she started talking about sex pretty graphicly, and then I figured she was maybe interested afterall. You, as soon as she starts talking sex: It's Netflix and beer night at my place. Swing by. The sex talk only made me want her more since she kept talking about how her ex didn't fuck her the way she wanted it and all the kinky stuff she is into. She also said she isn't into casual hookups. I thought "perfect! my kind of girl!". Yet you did nothing. When a woman is talking about sex like…
/r/seduction31/03/18 08:49 PM
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Ten times a day? I don't even do that with my LTR.
/r/seduction31/03/18 08:39 PM
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I don't get it cuz it literally takes 10 seconds to whip off a text. It might be my ADHD but I look at my phone more than a few times a day. You will chase many, many 9's and 10's from your life by over-contact. And why haven't you asked her out yet?
/r/seduction31/03/18 08:37 PM
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"Hey, let's grab a drink at Bar X, 9."
/r/seduction31/03/18 08:36 PM
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Yeah, all that stuff is relationship affection, IMHO. Or more advanced courtship. Going for a kiss is far less awkward than playing handsy.
/r/seduction31/03/18 06:56 AM
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I heard they chatted for a few days and then she was like I’m bored and he said come over. It sounds like she would've come over on the first night, lol. "I'm bored" is a woman's way of saying "get to the point". So he did, and he was rewarded.
/r/seduction31/03/18 12:23 AM
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He can get a girls number and get her to come over to his place ready to fuck within like 3-4 days of texting. That's a good solid in-person interaction if they're responding like that. My younger cousin had a girlfriend for the first time in his life, and this Chad met her for 10 seconds at a club, added her on Facebook, and texted her into bed 4 days later, never meeting up just texting He probably got to the point. Either she, or he invited the woman over to his place.
/r/seduction31/03/18 12:08 AM
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She likes the novels because she's a six. More socially valuable women will generally run from text novel ins early courtship. I'm not into thick, either. It's not feminine to me. But to each their own, lol.
/r/seduction31/03/18 12:03 AM
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How attractive would you rate your 35 year old friend, 1-10?
/r/seduction30/03/18 11:48 PM
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Her: Can we reschedule? You: Sure, sounds great. I'll hit you up when I figure out my schedule. Her: I'm busy that day! You: Cool, no worries. I need to check my schedule and I'll get back to you. I don't like getting into "calendar" talk with women. It's awkward/weird conversation. You make the date and time, and either she agrees or not. So, text them back in a few days of no-contact with a new date and time. They're going to wonder where the hell you went. And when women WONDER about you, the…
/r/seduction30/03/18 11:42 PM
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And I keep conversations funny and flirty while trying to meet up as soon as possible Put down the fucking phone! You're coming off like court jester who can't get off his phone. Over-contact, over-texting. I can smell it from over here. NO MYSTERY at all. Within three texts: "Hey, let's do Bar X at 9pm tomorrow night." Then you put the god damn phone down until the date. A man doesn't spend all day texting people. As a man chases his goals, his passions, focuses on fitness and reading, he creat…
/r/seduction30/03/18 11:27 PM
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Texting doesn't "keep interest". It's one of the biggest fallacies I see in this forum. In-person meets, good sex, and positive emotions maintain interest.
/r/seduction30/03/18 11:26 PM
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For the one that’s out of town, if we stop talking for 2 weeks until we are in the same city doesn’t that kill rapport? No. The point of texting is to set meets. If you can't meet her, you should be setting up meets with other women until she gets back to your town. Texting everyday is for people in a committed relationship. Also the girls I meet online as well, I feel like we need to talk and establish some kind of rapport before they would be ok meeting up (figured this would reduce flaking) N…
/r/seduction30/03/18 11:26 PM
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You're spending way, way too much time on the phone with these women. No mystery, no challenge. Get to the fucking point with women. Within three text exchanges, send a confident, to-the-point meet up time. Stop trying to be their text pals, and become their mysterious lover instead. Stop text women every day. From what I read of your post, you're texting/over-contacting yourself out of their attraction for you. This is why I talk a lot about being "emotionally-centered" here. Over the top and e…
/r/seduction30/03/18 10:30 PM
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Just go for the kiss. Dominant me don't need to play patty-cake.
/r/seduction30/03/18 10:28 PM
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You: Hey Sarah, it's Jim. Let's grab a drink at Bar X, 9pm tomorrow." Then you act like a man, put the fucking phone down and focus on career, fitness, reading, etc.
/r/seduction30/03/18 10:10 PM
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there's no such thing as "maintaining interest through texting". Interest and attraction is maintained in-person. However, "reducing attraction through texting" is real, and the biggest reason people post on this forum.
/r/seduction30/03/18 10:08 PM
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Weight training. Hygiene. Decent clothes. those three things right there will get you more respect without speaking a word. The others are inner game.
/r/seduction30/03/18 10:07 PM
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Dude: PATIENCE wins the day! Congratulations! This is exactly what I talk about when I say a man has to be emotionally-centered to win over 9's and 10's. exactly. and it's not just to win over more attractive women, it's also to improve yourself. Who wants to be controlled by their emotions? No one. You may hate it when hot women play the waiting game, but they do it to filter out men who are emotionally-unbalanced. It';s how they protect themselves. If you want to sleep with 9's and 10's, get u…
/r/seduction29/03/18 09:38 PM
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Don't talk incessantly, but be playful and confident. Let the women be in their feminine. Let them do their thing, don't be the douchebag frat boy who has to control the entire evening pre-sex (controlling in the bedroom is okay). I like to watch the two women take each other's clothes off and go at it while I sit back with a camera and join in eventually. A good way to get started is to bust out your phone, say you want some fun modeling pics. Have them pose, touch each other's hair. It's game …
/r/seduction29/03/18 08:09 AM
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I wouldn't do anything. Another purpose of that text was to eliminate time wasters. And as of right now, she is one of them. A couple things going on: She may have a boyfriend. She may like you, but be terrified of you. She may by nice to you at the gym to get you to go away, thus the non-responses over tet. She's got a lot of orbiters. Hang low, be cool and see other women. She knows where you stand. Act like you could give two shits that she didn't respond. Be totally indifferent, yet not cold…
/r/seduction28/03/18 05:53 PM
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She's more dominant than you. Also, women are often mirrors. How you show up everyday is the only way to go. If you are submissive and weak, strong women will toy with you. If you are confident and dominant, they will want to be with you. Ever notice how so may guys talk about how their ex's were "crazy?" I mean, almost every guy says this. But when I itneract with these women, they seem perfectly normal and relaxed. And the same when they're with their gf's or family. The "crazy" that guys who …
/r/seduction27/03/18 11:13 PM
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At least by not contacting her, he'll begin to train himself to be less needy.
/r/seduction27/03/18 11:10 PM
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Nice.
/r/seduction27/03/18 11:09 PM
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yeah we just called and I told her that I felt a bit down because I was expecting to see her again. She told me she just didnt have the time to see me. (she is lying unfortunately...) don't do this with women, ever. a man has things to do, thigns to build, places to be. When a man begins to have Debbie Downer conversations early in courtship, a woman instinctively knows he'll be a terrible boyfriend and toxic. 9's and 10's will RUN. As this woman is doing. I dont even care about this girl in par…
/r/seduction27/03/18 11:09 PM
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This is horrible early courtship advice.
/r/seduction27/03/18 11:07 PM
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She's testing to see if you're emotionally-centered. Also, what's with all the god damn dates? Aren't you in a FWB with her? Next time she texts you, just invite her over. Stop setting up lavish dates with a woman who apparently just wants to fuck. If she says "no" to your house invite, don't respond to her texts for ten days.
/r/seduction27/03/18 11:06 PM
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Yes, the fix is very, very fucking easy: "Hi Sarah. Let's grab a drink at Bar X, 9pm." then you put the phone down.
/r/seduction27/03/18 11:04 PM
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No such thing. Worrying about bad topics comes from a place of insecurity and fear of loss/rejection. This fear will be palpable to a woman, and is worse for seduction than saying something that may or may not offend her. Because saying something SHOCKING is not boring. Get it?
/r/seduction27/03/18 11:03 PM
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I dated a girl for around a month this winter. Dates were great. Actually so nice, that I thought it may lead to a girlfriend. Mistake. We both had fun. Last time I spoke to her then, she seemed bored and somewhat repulsed, for whatever reasons, I haven't got the slightest idea. Because you wanted her to be your gf too soon. After that I had some things to do in the area where she lives, texted her I'm around, let's grab a quick coffee. She accepted and seemed happy to see me. I escalated lightl…
/r/seduction27/03/18 10:59 PM
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This.
/r/seduction27/03/18 10:56 PM
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they don't feel like sluts, so there's no need for any of this. They like sex, like you and I. Treat and think of women as equals.
/r/seduction27/03/18 10:56 PM
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That's fine. but don't be the court jester. Just be real. "Hey, it's midweek and things are crazy in a good way. You?"
/r/seduction27/03/18 10:54 PM
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she knows why you approached her. ;) that's why you go for the hangout with three texts, or at the initial meet. you can still go to a bar and not drink. Bars have nice atmosphere for seduction, like warm lighting, attractive staff, evening hours. Contrast that with taking a woman on a date to Starbucks at noon with the grandpas and kids running around and the corporate lighting.
/r/seduction27/03/18 12:06 AM
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Awesome. This is the way forward. :) And this super confident text is not just about trying to get a date. It's also about learning how to be assertive, and to not fear rejection.
/r/seduction27/03/18 12:02 AM
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MVPua. Texting her now. Updates to come. The main reason I'm avoiding texting her is because 2 months ago she would only text me back once per day or sometimes not at all Welcome to the world of women with abundance! What I'm about to say is extremely important: Women and men with a ton of options who are focused on their career don't text all day. Imagine if you had four or five 9's and 10's texting you to see you.... you wouldn't be able to get back to everyone all the time. It sounds like you…
/r/seduction26/03/18 11:59 PM
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I don't get friendzoned. But most guys here do. That's why they're here. Note that I haven't created a single thread here.
/r/seduction26/03/18 11:50 PM
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Holy shit! It's like you're in my head man. :) I know what's going on here, because I've been through it. I was in that 7/8 zone for a while, and would lose my head on 10's. Edit: thankfully I didn't show her my oneitis, so she still views me as a chill and good looking guy Yeah, good work on that. Most of the posters on this forum should read how you didn't contact her for like two months. you SAVED this opportunity by being patient. And Like I say elsewhere here, good game is not just about wh…
/r/seduction26/03/18 11:47 PM
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Guys who make coffee dates at lunchtime are exactly the target market for the Fleshlight.
/r/seduction26/03/18 11:40 PM
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Then do coffee dates at night. Avoid lunchtime dates. That's friendzone.
/r/seduction26/03/18 11:36 PM
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Alright. I can tell you have her on a pedestal right now, lol. Your focus on micro-details is the giveaway. Just send her a firm, confident text: "Hey Sarah, this is Smooth. Let's grab a drink at Bar X, 9 tomorrow". MEET her there. don't offer to pick her up. If she says "no", say "cool, no worries." And then text other women. DON'T text her "how's your day?" "Um, would you want to hang out?" Precise. Time and Place. To the point. Confident.
/r/seduction26/03/18 11:35 PM
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You have to carefully think about what you are going to say around women, one wrong word/move and it's over This is the exact opposite of what you should do. 9/10 women can FEEL your fear. Check out "Californication" on Netflix. Watch and study the character of Hank Moody. He uses what I use, and that is "shocing honesty". you just wasted all that time chatting up a girl and nothing came of it. Well, then why spend so much time chatting? Get to the point, invite her over sooner. Often they will …
/r/seduction26/03/18 11:33 PM
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Do you want to have sex, or be her chat pal? Figure out what you want, and then proceed in a way that is congruent with that. Yes, just send the invite. Always send the invite.
/r/seduction26/03/18 11:30 PM
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Lying is not really interesting. The best seduction is playing off the room, in the moment and on what she tells you organically, or just speaking your mind (shocking honesty). Monologues that have no context with the current interaction are boring in seduction ,and that's what telling a story is that has nothing to do with the moment. It's also feminine energy to be talking so much. a good video of this is on Family Guy. "Buzz Killington". This "Buzz Kilington" effect is what happens to your li…
/r/seduction26/03/18 11:28 PM
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A man goes for what he wants in a direct, confident way. What kind of IOI's does she give you?
/r/seduction26/03/18 11:17 PM
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Save your pre-rehearsed jokes for a stand-up routine. Use in-the-moment observations for seduction.
/r/seduction26/03/18 11:08 PM
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First, GREAT job on showing patience when she told you she had other orbiters. Most guys would've kept contacting her, being needy/pushy and chased her away forever. BUT, you're playing it too cool now. Text her with a firm place and time for your date.
/r/seduction26/03/18 11:04 PM
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Well today I met this Austrian girl. I texted her "yo schnitzel, did you get home safe?" This is inauthentic game. You don't give two flying fucks if she "got home safe", what you do want is to sleep with her. It's a pointless text masking your true intentions. Why didn't you ask her out to a bar or your place during the interaction? since you didn't do that, your next text should've been a direct invite to meet up. 1) I asked her about her favorite austrian food during our convo. She said Schni…
/r/seduction26/03/18 10:59 PM
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If you have to make a story interesting by adding "extra", you shouldn't be telling it.
/r/seduction26/03/18 10:54 PM
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A drink at a relaxed bar so you can hear each other talk. The second date/meetup should be at your house. I prefer strong, sex-positive women who like to live in the moment. This means some kind of sex the first night, and definitely intercourse the second. If no kind of sex occurs after the second meetup, I no longer contact the woman. It's a nice way to filter out boring/conservative women.
/r/seduction26/03/18 10:52 PM
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Hey guys , so I met this girl online and we talk about a month now. Mistake. Set a date 3 texts in. The conversations went really well in my opinion and I thought there is something there. Online conversations have ZERO to do with anything. So today we talked a little in the morning and we had a great conversation as usual. Why in the fuck are you texting a woman in the morning? Don't you have work, or gym, or a hike, or reading your favorite book? I checked with her again if the plan is still o…
/r/seduction26/03/18 10:18 PM
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So I texted her for a day with the generic shit. Mistake. put down the fucking phone. It's gotten stale, she really doesn't give me much to go on. I still think it's too early to ask her out on a date (I've blown good convos on tinder and whatnot by being too forward with this) You got it completely fucking backwards. You go for the ask-out three texts in, no more. Act like a dominant, confident man who goes for what he wants instead of this bullshit nice guy routine you're doing now. I'm drawin…
/r/seduction26/03/18 10:12 PM
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Next day I said I'd like to see her again She's well aware you want to see her again. Don't be "Obvious Johnny". Wait for her to hit you back since you sent a "man, a woman hasn't touched me in so long and I can't contain my excitement so I'm texting you when I wake up text" the morning after sex.
/r/seduction26/03/18 09:58 PM
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Stop going on coffee dates.
/r/seduction26/03/18 09:56 PM
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Clean shaven, light beard, full beard? Also, don't beat yourself up mentally! If you want to beat yourself up, do it physically at the gym with weights. Did you get that membership yet?
/r/seduction25/03/18 10:36 PM
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Just be normal - make your studies the priority, but remain friendly to her.
/r/seduction25/03/18 10:05 PM
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Dinner is a bad way to go on first dates. Making plans for the next day, while on the first date is a bad way to go. Stage Five Clinger stuff. Learn to relax, to let the courtship breathe...because there is power and sexual tension in those spaces. You offered no mystery, no challenge. Over-exposure and extreme availability on your part reduce attraction.
/r/seduction25/03/18 09:54 PM
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"Hey, let's meet at Bar X, 9 pm". Don't get hung up on the "can't commit to dinner until last minute" line she used. I doubt she's still thinking about it, so why are you?
/r/seduction25/03/18 09:14 PM
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Telling a woman your feelings in early courtship is bad seduction. In many cases it is a sign of an inexperienced and uncentered man, and most 9/10's will flee from it.
/r/seduction25/03/18 09:11 PM
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Bad pictures. Could be fitness, hygiene, clothes. Don't use "bro pics" or pics drinking. Use nature backdrops solo pics, or pics with women. Never use pics on a couch, pics of video games or TV, unless it's with women.
/r/seduction25/03/18 09:04 PM
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Yeah. One week of silence from you, then a 4pm text. When you text her, no "hey, how's your day?" bullshit. Be congruent with what you want. You want to be with her. So ask her over. It's important to remember that this very confident text is not just about getting her over. It's also going to teach you to be more direct, and to not fear rejection from her, and other women in the future.
/r/seduction25/03/18 01:57 AM
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Go for the innuendo right away. The grocery store is amazing for it. Also go for shocking honesty right away. You: Hey. Nice apples. Her: lol. You: You have great legs. Kinda rare around these parts. At this point she might be taken aback. But...your nice guy filter is GONE. You're not talking about the weather.... Her: Are you always so forward? You (with a smirk): only when it's worth it.
/r/seduction25/03/18 01:38 AM
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Yesterday we were texting and she didn’t respond to my last message, which was me asking how her day was goin. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Then today I texted her just saying hey and my message got opened with no reply. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Don’t know what I should do here, things seemed to be going good. Any help is welcome! Stop texting her so much, and next time ask her out right away. You became an increasingly boring text-pal.
/r/seduction25/03/18 01:29 AM
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I'm 40. My current LTR (two + years) is a 23 year old bi-sexual fitness model. She brings home her girlfriends, and I fuck them with her. Sometimes I even tell her I'm not ino it, lol. That's how much of it I have running around my house when I want it. All of the women I have dated or had relations with in the past five years were under 30. I work my ass off at the gym to reach a level of fitness that matches the level of fit woman I'm attracted to. I keep my carbs under 80 grams a day, don't e…
/r/seduction25/03/18 01:19 AM
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Get to the gym and hit those weights 3-4x a week, an hour a shot. incorporate L-Arginine into your daily routine. You might have low testosterone.
/r/seduction25/03/18 01:02 AM
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don't jerk off for a week, and you're standards will most certainly lower and you'll be glad to be receiving head and not jerking off, even with 5's.
/r/seduction25/03/18 12:41 AM
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That's how you'll get good at fucking the 9 and 10's. Practice seducing women and making them orgasm. You need experience, man. The odds of you landing an 8/9/10 right now are extremely low because you lack experience. And if you DO find one, you won't be able to keep her in your life because you lack experience. Do you see where this all leads? ;) You can't build something from nothing. As someone such as yourself who has a good career...you should understand this. You went to school for your c…
/r/seduction25/03/18 12:37 AM
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You know what's not fun? Staying home and jerking off. Think of it like your job, or credit. You HAVE to start smaller and work your way up, gaining experience. Over time, you become better and better and get more money, bigger loans. It's the same principle. Your social life is NO DIFFERENT. It takes work. It takes skill refinement. It takes TIME. Right now, your credit (in the context of seduction) sucks. So you have to build your credit (AKA be with women who aren't 8/9/10's) in order to atta…
/r/seduction25/03/18 12:12 AM
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I can agree on the weak attitude, and on the fact that I’m not fit: I’m not fit, I’m quite too much slim actually. That's way better than being fat, socially. Huge advantage. Join a gym and hit the weights and you'll attract more women. But I don’t think that becoming a gym-animal is the only solution No, it's not the only solution. You're right. But studies indicate muscular men have a 30-40% first night sex advantage over their skinnier peers. This is just one part of the solution. But the key…
/r/seduction25/03/18 12:09 AM
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Can you afford to be so picky right now? Whatever standards you have, throw them out the fucking window right now. You have to build experience with women. the more experience you have, the more you can be picky.
/r/seduction25/03/18 12:01 AM
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Usually, most people are fat. Does this mean you should be too?
/r/seduction24/03/18 11:57 PM
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I'd follow my advice. You're mopey, overly defensive, with a tinge of bitterness. You use dumb excuses like "Everyone over 25 is married, everyone under 25 is too young". This is a weak ass attitude. This will chase women away. If you were fit enough, you'd at least ACCIDENTALLY get laid. So that tells me you're not even close to as fit as you think. Men who are not traditionally attractive in the face can overcome this by being very fit. toughen up. Lose the "woe is me" excuses. Spend less time…
/r/seduction24/03/18 11:53 PM
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No problem. But remember, women need to earn dates like that. It's for girlfriends, honestly. There's no need to impress her as if she's a princess. Is she doing this for you? No. All 8/9/10 women want is to be treated as an equal. Challenge them a little bit. Also, if she says "no" to that text, say, "cool, no worries" and text other women. Then in a month, shoot her a funny picture or something and don't say anything. Game is not just about what we can get right now, it's also about planting s…
/r/seduction24/03/18 10:46 PM
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You need to toughen up. I can smell your mopey attitude from here. Go to the gym, hit weights 3-4x a week. Keep your carbs under 80 grams a day. Go do man stuff. Go on hikes, go rafting, go learn a new craft. Read more, fiction and non-fiction. Get yourself a kindle or buy paperbacks. Go to a record store, invest in vinyl. Check out new bands at live shows. Do ANYTHING, ANYTHING other than sitting inside and watching TV. Go out to the bars alone, talk to women. Talk to them at stores. Go on Tind…
/r/seduction24/03/18 10:28 PM
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Unfortunately for 95% of men, their behavior is not organic. It's needy, impatient, uncentered and controlling. And it's why women by far do most of the dumping, and why there is a need for Seduction forums across the internet, all inhabited by men who don't yet understand. It's not about changing yourself to be what women want, it's about personally evolving into someone who is attractive emotionally and physically.
/r/seduction24/03/18 10:21 PM
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After 3 weeks I was in her area, so I hit her up and went to grab a coffee. She seemed happy to see me. Coffee date? No. Next time make it a bar at 9. Have ONE drink, then ask her back to your place. The only time I escalated there was before dropping her off, I did caress her hand while driving. She responded well externally, but not sure how she actually felt. Dominant men don't play awkward patty-cake. They just go for the kiss. Your seduction attempts here are VERY passive. Next week before …
/r/seduction24/03/18 09:12 PM
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Because epxerienced, attractive women get to the fucking point unlike 97% of guys. When you have TWO people courting each other, and BOTH of them have abundance and many options, seduction happens FAST.
/r/seduction24/03/18 09:00 PM
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How do I get into fuckboy zone when we work together? that's how you get a bad reputation. Sex is how adults get to know each other. There's nothing "bad" about it unless you court her in a disrespectful way.
/r/seduction24/03/18 08:58 PM
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Everything isn’t about the girls looks. If her personality doesn’t match then she can get friendzoned or if there isn’t a connection or vibe going on then she can get friendzoned. No guy is going to friendzone a 9/10 without trying to sleep with her first. If he sleeps with her, and the sex is mundane and she's needy, yes. But not before. I don't buy this response at all.
/r/seduction24/03/18 08:57 PM
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I'm guessing none.
/r/seduction24/03/18 08:54 PM
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There is no best way. This is an insecure and needy mindset. The question you should ask is, "Are we having fun? does she makes me smile? Is the sex good?". That's it. Everything else unfolds organically from that over time.
/r/seduction24/03/18 08:51 PM
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Specificity is okay. "You have a really perky ass" or "your eyes are wild". "your hair is so long...awesome". Generic is bad. "You are so hot." You're beautiful". "you're cute". Gorgeous women have heard that shit their entire lives. It's boring and lazy.
/r/seduction24/03/18 12:06 AM
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No problem. And remember, it may feel weird, but she won't be exclusive yet...so feel free to hook up with other women. Not only will you have fun, but it will probably get her to bring up exclusivity, lol. And at that point, you can decide if it's still worth it for you. Win/win.
/r/seduction23/03/18 02:07 AM
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It could be that, but it could be an ex coming back into her life. It could be other guys she has a crush on,. It could just be her mood, and it could just be you not showing up in a centered way. The point is, the only thing you can control is your fitness, your emotions, your work, your bedroom skills, your hobbies, your passions and your confidence/dominance. That's it. And when you excel in those areas, women will rarely pull away. They will beg you to be exclusive, even if other men are in …
/r/seduction23/03/18 01:45 AM
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She is enthusiastic about sex though... the push pull comes more into play in the form of logical conversations about where we are. Yeah stop this. Never bring up exclusivity first, or feel out "where you stand". This is emtionally-uncentered behavior and stems from insecurities due to fear of loss. Love is not serious and controlling. It's fun, positive emotions, and orgasms. When you have "serious" Debbie Downer talks early in courtship with experienced, strong and 8/9/10 women, you will push …
/r/seduction23/03/18 01:17 AM
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You: Hey, it's Netflix and beer night at my place. You should swing by. If she says yes, enjoy your night. If she says no, say "no worries" and then don't text her for a month. It's more simple than you're making it. Be a man and go for what you want. If a woman wastes your time, move on. Simple.
/r/seduction23/03/18 01:13 AM
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6'1 and 162 is really thin. Hit the weights 3-4x a week.
/r/seduction23/03/18 01:11 AM
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We messaged for a bit on bumble and I asked her what she was in bumble for Jesus christ, man. What is everyone on Bumble for? and she said "to find someone to have a good time with" And she said she wants to avoid playing games" Translation: "I'm an adult woman who likes to get to the point. I'd like to fuck, and not have you be stupid." Invite her over to your place, or for a quick drink at a bar.
/r/seduction22/03/18 10:21 PM
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'Maybe the only thing you could say is that the other four are murderers.'" Bwahahahaha! See dudes? I talk a lot on this forum about how women are not fragile princesses on pedestals. They are equals, and can be extremely harsh.
/r/seduction22/03/18 10:03 PM
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"Social circles" happen organically when you become good with women. Men who are good with women have women insisting on exclusive relationships or long term FWB. and these women have friends. And they invite you out (and if they're bi), they fuck you with their friends. If you're good in bed, your girlfriend tells her friends and if you split, her friends want to fuck you. It's never ending. Get the words "social circle" out of your head because it doesn't matter. Drinking has really nothing to…
/r/seduction22/03/18 10:01 PM
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The problem is I jumped the gun a bit and proposed exclusivity. I genuinely like her, but I also now think I moved too fast. You think? lol. Asking for exclusivity 6 dates in with 8/9/10 level women will get you friend-zoned, or she'll slowly withdraw from you until she finds someone less clingy and suffocating. I have no idea what caused those issues Being boring, and a bad seducer with mundane bedroom skills is what causes those issues.
/r/seduction22/03/18 09:54 PM
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"I have intimacy issues" is usually a woman's way of saying very nicely, "you don't really thrill me in bed". This kind of comment usually commences with her withdrawing and biding her time until she can find a more dominant and emotionally-centered lover (IE less needy).
/r/seduction22/03/18 09:53 PM
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I told her I was interested in her after a couple of meets but she said she only wants to be friends. SHOW, don't tell. Weak seduction.
/r/seduction22/03/18 09:52 PM
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the same rules apply for young, older, nuns, born-agains, hippies, aetheists, criminals and saints: Be fit, emotionally-centered, confident, playful, and good in bed. That's it.
/r/seduction22/03/18 09:49 PM
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This isn't just expressing interest; you actively come across desperate. On a related note, calling her 'wild' simply for saying sex isn't off the table indicates that you're not used to women being sexual with you. Boom.
/r/seduction22/03/18 07:49 AM
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What a tedious conversation. It reads like a spike buck jouncing around a meadow, not a bull elk. You text about a coffee date, and you think that means "I am a man and I want to fuck you?" No. Plus, all the machinations, lol. Looking into hidden meaning when it really isn't there. That conversation is all over the place, reeks of insecurity and waffling and self-imposed mind games. This is how a man texts: You: Hey Sarah. Her: Hey. You: My week has been crazy (in a good way) but let's meet up f…
/r/seduction22/03/18 07:40 AM
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We had a St. Paddys drunken ONS and I used a condom, but she went down on me and I think in the heat of the moment the condom slipped up a bit and I'm pretty sure I got some good ol pussy juice on me. I'm just so PARANOID about catching something which is why I'm used to LTRs and why I'm on seddit to get more experienced. Eh I wouldn't worry too much about it. This is my second one night stand ever so I'm inexperienced with this so I get your accusation of me being anxious or jumping the gun, be…
/r/seduction21/03/18 10:23 PM
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Basically I texted her again. Yep, figured. Told her that I was going to a bar (and I am). And she said she was busy w work. So I just replied 'it's cool if you wanna be friends, I'm always up for a friend dude.' This is a bit weak. Step back and look at how you're texting her, as if she's a queen on some giant pedestal, and you but a meek servant. This response is so watered down...that you are effectively and literally pre-friendzoning yourself in order to stay in her life. Try not to mope lik…
/r/seduction21/03/18 07:14 AM
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You can recover with some women by backing off a few weeks (IE not a single text). This is what I call a "needy cleanse". Women don't hang onto minor things like this for long. They'll likely forget. Also, most guys who are needy also lack confidence and an ability to get to the point. So my "reach out" text addresses all those things in a simple line. Send it to ALL the women who ghosted you for being a needy, non-confident guy, at 4pm: You: Hey Sarah, it's Netflix and beer night at my place, y…
/r/seduction21/03/18 02:30 AM
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Late bloomer at 21? NO. Your grasp of context is pretty bad, man. You're fine. Go to the gym and start lifting. When you're done, turn off the TV and start reading good fiction and non-fiction. Amidst that, go on Tinder, Bumble, and talk to women outside.
/r/seduction21/03/18 01:56 AM
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Like the guy above me said, the biggest problem for us guys is that women are drowning in messages from other guys. So you have to set yourself apart. And getting to the point right away is a good way to do that.
/r/seduction20/03/18 08:58 PM
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You get to know people in person, not over Tinder or text. You: Hey Sarah, I like that evil gleam in your eyes, haha. Sarah: Yep, I'm trouble! You: That's what I like to hear. I'm watching Netflix and drinking a bit, you're welcome to swing by. DONE. If she says yes, you're getting laid. If she says no, you say "cool, no worries" and then you talk to another woman on Tinder and do the exact same thing until you find a woman who wants to come over.
/r/seduction20/03/18 08:57 PM
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update? This is an interesting case.
/r/seduction20/03/18 08:54 PM
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This is the #1 reason why guys get nexted after first dates. you have to train yourself out of your neurotic behavior. Take a sticky note, and write this on it: "Does this text serve a purpose?" "Am I over-contacting this woman?" "Am I able to leave the text conversation first?" "Do I have something more important to be working on?" "Get to the point, a few texts, then move on." Tape it to your phone.
/r/seduction20/03/18 08:53 PM
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Be the bull elk, not the weak man who needs a frat. Embrace it.
/r/seduction20/03/18 08:51 PM
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Like the other commenter said, I'm picking up on your neediness/panic, lol. And was trying to get you to not text more (for now). This is far from over, though. But...I want you to look at her behavior. I want you to see what you're honestly dealing with here. This woman seduced you, fucked you in her car, and then hasn't bothered to text you yet. She's acting like the player, like the dominant bad boy, and you the fluttery nervous woman wondering why her "man" hasn't gotten back to her yet.... …
/r/seduction19/03/18 10:22 PM
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You have to train yourself out of this neurotic behavior. This is not mean to offend you. Most guys have been here.... I was too in my early 20's. You blow up women's phones because you're insecure and you fear losing her. This comes from a scarcity mindset and lack of confidence. Take a sticky note and write this on it: "Am I over-contacting women?" "Does this text serve a purpose?" "Are my texts proportionate to hers?" "Am I giving this woman space?" Then stick the note on your phone. In the c…
/r/seduction19/03/18 09:53 PM
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It's been one fucking day, man. Get your shit together. She may hit you up tonight or next week. CHILL.
/r/seduction19/03/18 09:50 PM
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This is terrible advice, lol.
/r/seduction19/03/18 09:49 PM
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Holy shit, have some patience, man! "It's over"? No...just calm down. I talk a lot on this forum about how important it is to be emotionally-centered. You're not centered right now. Patience is very attractive. Women in the 8/9/10 level will sometimes purposely not contact you to see if you can handle your emotions and not blow up her phone. This tells her she can feel safe with you, and you won't be a stalker.
/r/seduction19/03/18 09:48 PM
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The text itself was needy. The content is irrelevant. A text the morning after first-time sex says "I don't get laid often, and I'm so excited a woman touched me!".
/r/seduction19/03/18 09:45 PM
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I decided to break out of my comfort zone last night and just went to the local pub by myself. I met a girl who was also there by herself and we just instantly hit it off. I just looked her in the eyes and just started touching her all night. Great work! Up until after the pub where we had sex in my car. The best sex I've ever had. I'm talking the full service, she really took care of me that night. And she has a banging body. Fantastic! I sent her a cheeky text today just saying last night was …
/r/seduction19/03/18 09:42 PM
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good post.
/r/seduction19/03/18 09:39 PM
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90% of the guys on the forum who follow this, will continue in their emotionally neurotic ways and chase women from their lives. Sometimes, a man has to admit he needs to improve.
/r/seduction19/03/18 09:38 PM
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The girl was attracted to you, and you whittled away her attraction being over-contacting. This is emotionally-uncentered behavior. You have to train yourself to not do this or you will chase all beautiful women from your life.
/r/seduction19/03/18 09:36 PM
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Well anyway she told me I need to chill out on the phone and if I want her to text me I need to listen to what she says and actually follow through lol, rough, man. You're her phone buddy! You've been relegated to Emotional Text Novel Boy. She sees you as a clown, not a lover. Stop contacting her immediately and see other women. The phone is for fucking setting meets, not gabbing like a 13 year old. Next time you text a woman, make it have a god damn point. Immediately ask them out. If they say …
/r/seduction19/03/18 09:30 PM
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Thanks.
/r/seduction19/03/18 09:27 PM
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no, don't do this. This is terrible advice. Never go into early courtship asking for a relationship, lol. This is Seduction 101. your intentions are sweet, and nice Keely. No doubt! But this is bad seduction. Relationships happen organically, over time, via shared intimacy (physical and emotional). They don't happen by being pals.
/r/seduction19/03/18 09:25 PM
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You're changing the goal posts. No one said "pursue relentlessly". What I said was don't try to be her pal.
/r/seduction19/03/18 09:25 PM
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How is she out of your league? Here's the thing about models. They've been told they are beautiful their entire lives. They detest that shit. They actually prefer bad boys (not rude jerks...but guys who have their own shit going on and an air of indifference) to pretty boy nice guys. Look at Statham. Dude's ugly. Not a pretty boy. Shaved his head. But acts dominant as fuck. That's the key. Go about your desires in a confident, crisp, and respectful way. And if you can, add some muscles at the gy…
/r/seduction19/03/18 09:15 PM
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Definitely go slow. Try to start by being friends This is never good advice, ever in the context of seduction. Go slow, make your intentions known and respect her space but be a friend to her first. This is a great way to get friend-zoned. Most beautiful women coming off a relationship are looking for that spark, that romance again that faded from the relationship she just left. Being a "pal" is not a spark.
/r/seduction19/03/18 07:54 PM
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Why not?
/r/seduction19/03/18 07:52 PM
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Relationships end for one main reason: The fun to drama ratio went from 90/10, to 70/30, to 50/50, to 30/70. You handle women fresh out of relationships the way you handle women in ANY situation. You're playful, confident, emotionall-centered, fit, and good in bed.
/r/seduction19/03/18 07:31 PM
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I don't really see a "unique situation" there at all. It's always a variation of the same old thing, boy likes girl, boy is too afraid to ask girl out. Any time I see a post saying "this is unique, please advise" I know right away the guy is putting the woman on a pedestal and he's going to fuck it up by being an ass kisser/pleaser.
/r/seduction19/03/18 07:25 PM
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I usually DM dive for girls I'm just trying to smash, but I definitely have a crush on her as she has all of the same interests and is my taste and see her as relationship material. Seduce as normal, rinse and repeat. You need to keep the same mentality for your crush that you do for your random hookups. My original thought process was to wait until the summer to ask her to go to a concert that we both share interest in, or marathon or beach invite. That would be the best way to go, right? No, t…
/r/seduction19/03/18 07:23 PM
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You had a total babe seduce you. Think about that for a second. Most guys will never have that level of woman do that to them. Win! Now, simply start fucking reading more. Read books about women's fantasies, Read books about dominant seduction and how to give orgasms. Then implement some of what you learn for the next time.
/r/seduction18/03/18 10:51 PM
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You can't control what women do, so never worry about it. All you can control is how you show up every day. It's very common for 8/9/10 level women to have numerous orbiters. Some they are hooking up with, some they might want to, other's they friend-zone, an ex-bf or two, etc. By being emotionally-centered, fit, playful, confident, and good in bed, a woman will slowly fade the other orbiters from her life and organically choose you. A few things cure neediness. The best way to cure neediness is…
/r/seduction18/03/18 06:32 AM
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True, there's nothing wrong with that. A good night for the poster. But she had to lead because he didn't. That also might be why she didn't hit him back. Most women want a dominant lover.
/r/seduction18/03/18 06:26 AM
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That's good. But find a better response than "I see how it is". That has no meat, no meaning and doesn't really do anything. Try to flip her "you're so sweet" comments around in a playful way.
/r/seduction18/03/18 02:30 AM
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No, that's just a mediocre response. When a woman co-worker tells you that she's nice to you for work, it's a very nice way of telling you to back off. Sorry man, move on.
/r/seduction18/03/18 02:19 AM
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It doesn't matter how well you know her. Being playful is probably the most important thing you can do in courtship and in LTR's.
/r/seduction18/03/18 02:11 AM
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DON'T be the "yes man", lol. Be the man who is busy and focused on his goals, not the delicate wind flower who bandies in the breeze to a woman's every whim.
/r/seduction18/03/18 01:55 AM
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It's basically a woman saying "you're such a nice guy." It's an ominous signpost into the friend-zone. Next time a woman says, "why are you so sweet to me?" look her in the eyes and say, "Fuck you, Sharon", with a cocky grin. Learn to flip and segue within context.
/r/seduction18/03/18 01:45 AM
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You can't create attraction. It's your job to not reduce the attraction that's there.
/r/seduction18/03/18 01:44 AM
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Her: "Oh yeah totally. Like, I'm into that. I'm down for whatever." You (leaning in closer): I'm a big fan of open minds. It's a prerequisite, actually. I won't be with a woman who is too conservative. (you establishing that she passed one of your standards). Her: Cool. You (firm eye contact): When this wraps up, let's go to my place. I smile, give her a high five and say "hell yeah!" Jesus. Fucking. Christ. Are you the bull elk or the frat boy? A high five and a "hell yeah"?????? But I didn't a…
/r/seduction17/03/18 09:41 PM
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but I felt we had something going on, since we had sex, and most women like her decide carefully who to sleep with. Most women have far, far more abundance than men. This means they have no problem "nexting" a guy without a hint of remorse. Think about it. If you had five really hot women blowing up your phone asking to see you, and one of those women is too clingy, you're going to ignore her and focus on the others. Also, in America and Europe, having sex with a woman does not mean "relationshi…
/r/seduction17/03/18 09:33 PM
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Your attidue is needy as fuck! Beautiful American women walk away from...no, they RUN away from needy men. It;s the #1 reason why women won't seek to spend more time with you. Two things are happening here: You're bad in bed (unable to give orgasms or be dominant - the girl taking your hand and leading you to her room is an example of a woman being far more dominant and confident than you). You blow up their phones after sex. Get the "relationship" shit out of your head. That's not how they work…
/r/seduction17/03/18 09:29 PM
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These behaviors are not emotionally-centered: Over-contacting a woman. Unable to leave a conversation with a woman. Frequent temper tantrums (once in a while is actually good in a LTR) Controlling or jealous behavior. Spilling your feelings constantly or too early: "I think I love you" after the first date, etc. Complaining a lot. Taking offense at banter or jokes. Examples of emotionally-centered behavior: Giving a woman the space to choose you organically. Not blowing up a woman's phone consta…
/r/seduction16/03/18 06:28 AM
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Next morning she flakes and says she has to visit grandparents, I say No problem, another time then? She says sure, next Friday? I agree. Cool, all good here. Good position. Now all you have to do is focus on your career, the gym, and your passions, like reading or hiking or whatever. So the next day I text her asking if maybe she'd like to go do something else instead? What. The. Fuck? I talk a lot on this forum about how the #1 way to keep beautiful women in your life is to remain emotionally-…
/r/seduction16/03/18 01:07 AM
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You have no idea the kind of woman you're dealing with untilyou've been intimate for at least a month, regularly. That's the problem. Attractive women eat men alive. Especially tentative nice guys "playing it safe". Women can be FREAKS, and are usually more experienced, more socially intelligent, and certainly have a higher level of abundance than 99% of men. An inexperienced man's ego will allow him to think that he's more savvy, more experienced and "knows better" than the woman he's courting.…
/r/seduction15/03/18 01:09 AM
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lol, that's awful man. BTW, I don't know your age, but weight-training and good fitness will put you right back into the 20-something lover/partner range. I'm 40, and it's all I date.
/r/seduction15/03/18 12:21 AM
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Especially if you find someone younger, hotter, and smarter. Also, if a sparse/infrequent FWB woman won't naturally begin to want to be in your presence more and more, I'd look at your bedroom performance. Check your dominance/freak/orgasm-giving levels. She should be blowing up your phone for orgasms by now.
/r/seduction15/03/18 12:10 AM
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I advise what I have called the "sticky note method". Take a yellow sticky note, and write this on it: "Am I over-contacting women? Is this text necessary? Are there negative emotions in this text?" Tape it to your phone. Putting it IN your phone is no good. You need something tangible, so slap it to the back of, or the front of your phone. This will train you to be more patient and emotionally-centered with women, which will work to reduce neediness. This is just an immediate step. The other st…
/r/seduction15/03/18 12:06 AM
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"Let's head back to my place". NEVER be afraid of silence with women. Sometimes what you say is as important as what you don't say. A man who is comfortable with silence is a man who is comfortable in his own skin. It shows confidence. And tension between you and the woman can build and froth in those silences. The need to talk, to fill the silence constantly is neurotic and insecure behavior.
/r/seduction15/03/18 12:00 AM
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These are long game women. Ignore, except once a month. Do not make her a priority. Send her a single, positive text. Could be a funny photo, whatever. If she responds, don't chit chat and engage in small talk. Do this: You: Hey, I'm celebrating good news tonight with Netflix and beer. And you're on remote control duty. If she gives you an excuse, ignore her for another month, and repeat. I've found these women often have boyfriends, or are on the fence, or they have a couple other guys they're …
/r/seduction14/03/18 11:52 PM
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lol! Awesome.
/r/seduction14/03/18 10:27 PM
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Makes sense, man. I get it. In a LTR with the same kind of parameters and freedom. Also, the easiest, absolutely easiest way is I let my girlfriend out for the night, and she does all the work.That way the other woman knows the score right away and the two are already comfortable with each other.
/r/seduction14/03/18 10:25 PM
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Do you want her personal phone number, or to be added to her "Friends List" with the rest of her neutered orbiters? Take your pick.
/r/seduction14/03/18 10:21 PM
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See other girls, be seen with other girls.
/r/seduction14/03/18 10:09 PM
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What was your response to her "Idk just fun I guess" line? You left that out, which conveys that your response was indeed the problem.
/r/seduction14/03/18 10:05 PM
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Sure, feel free.
/r/seduction14/03/18 09:26 PM
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Any time a woman asks me that, this is my stock response (with a sly grin if in person): "Only if she gets naked too". This falls back to what I talk about on this forum * a lot*, and that is what I call "shocking honesty". Shocking honesty does several things AT ONCE, with very few words: It conveys dominance and confidence. It obliterates the weak and lame nice-guy filter. It's playful. It sexualizes. It's very attractive to just speak what's on your mind. When a woman asks "can I bring a frie…
/r/seduction14/03/18 09:21 PM
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Her: Idk just fun I guess. You: I'm banned in 29 countries for being too fun. I say this a lot in this forum. learn how to segue within context. Increasing interactions with women combined with a steady diet of reading good fiction and non-fiction will increase your vocabulary and awareness levels. When you put in some work, you'll be able to spit out playful responses like that without even thinking.
/r/seduction14/03/18 09:16 PM
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Your frame is all wrong. What does Acenike43 want? Then go from there. instead of trying to read women's minds (impossible), simply proceed with your desires in a respectful way: You: Hey Kinsey, it's beer and Netflix night at my place, and I need someone to work the remote. If you just want to hook up that night, send a text like that (or a variation) to all of the women you match with. You'll know right away who's down and who's not.
/r/seduction14/03/18 09:14 PM
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You: Hey Sarah, this is Brad (knowing full well Sarah is not her real name). Her: No. This is Kinsey. You: Oh, well forget Sarah then. You sound more fun. Also, your answered text ratios rise the higher up in quality your in-person interactions are. Did you fidget? Did your voice crack? Did you linger too long creepily?
/r/seduction14/03/18 09:13 PM
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You came to a seduction forum to ask why women are blowing you off after you meet them. There's is a problem, somewhere in what you are doing. I'd be happy to look at some text examples, or to hear more details. Otherwise it's hard for me to help. From the very limited information you've conveyed, I can only surmise that you have an uptight, "I need a LTR" vibe that they run from.
/r/seduction13/03/18 09:02 PM
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You don't need to mention LTR. They can smell it on you--it's in your body language, how you talk, how you act. They aren't responding to your text after a date because you come off as a guy who wants a LTR. For 8/9/10 women who are socially valuable and loaded with options, impatience and wanting a LTR right away are red flags that a man is controlling and emotionally uncentered.
/r/seduction13/03/18 06:16 PM
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Actually, it's the higher value, independent women who will get to the point and understand what Tinder is for. Women who are independent and busy use Tinder/Bumble to fill a need. Also, you have to give up the stigma of women who want sex/potential sex on the first night as "low value". Being sex positive, confident and knowing what you want is actually higher value. Women who are intelligent, independent, and open minded know what Tinder is for. And they'll appreciate you not wasting their tim…
/r/seduction13/03/18 06:14 PM
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I'd say at least 1/3rd.
/r/seduction13/03/18 01:32 AM
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Your approach is not how love, and LTR's work. It's an epic fail. It's a needy frame as well. LTR's happen over time, by compiling positive emotions, fun, and intimacy ORGANICALLY. This is how strong, independent adults with options form LTR's. If you find a woman who knocks your socks off, all you have to do is be emotionally-centered (IE, not try and force into a serious relationship), fun, good in bed, and fit. If you do these things enough, she'll bring up exclusivity. You simply date and se…
/r/seduction12/03/18 09:12 PM
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This is a great way to get friend-zoned.
/r/seduction12/03/18 09:11 PM
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When women have orgasms, it releases a hormone called Oxytocin: https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/oxytocin It makes them feel close to you. Which is why being good in bed, and escalating is so important to keeping beautiful women in your life. P.S. it doesn't hurt to read more, and watch less TV. This way we're not making "guesstimates" about life and women, but rather relying on scientific fact to inform our decisions.
/r/seduction12/03/18 08:43 PM
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So wordy.
/r/seduction12/03/18 08:39 PM
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Remember that a lot of women on Tinder are doing it impulsively because they're horny, just like you. As ALWAYS, the best opener is honest, crisp, and direct: Hey Kylie, I'm a big fan of getting to the point, so let's hang out tonight. Hey Kylie, I like that wild look in your eyes. Hey Kylie, I'm not going to lie: if we met up I'd make a move right away. Hey Kylie, are you as worked up tonight as I am? Note what I didn't use: Hey Kylie, how's your day going? Hey Kylie, I like that pic of your do…
/r/seduction12/03/18 08:37 PM
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I don't see what the problem is. The only way to find someone who meets your standards is to date casually until something evolves organically. However, I will say that LTR's are not attained by wishing for them, or "holding out" ondating. LTR's happen organically, based upon repeated positive emotions, fun, and intimacy. You may find yourself falling in love with someone who doesn't meet all of your standards. That's how love works. And life is what happens to you while you make other plans.
/r/seduction11/03/18 11:29 PM
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Hit the gym 3-4x a week and do weights. Get your carbs under 80 grams a day. As you begin to add muscle and confidence, this "nice guy wuss" shine your got going right now will fade.
/r/seduction10/03/18 08:55 PM
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Stop drinking so much when you game. This reads like you got dopey-drunk and lost your ability to properly gauge a situation.
/r/seduction10/03/18 08:52 PM
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Be a man and tell her the truth: "I did fuck another girl. I'm all about honesty, just so you know. But I still like you, and we're still early into this." This is called acting like a man. Honest, dominant, confident. Then go about your life's goals. Because she will come back eventually.
/r/seduction10/03/18 08:49 PM
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Act like a man and be honest and congruent with yourself, and her. You: K-pop is not my thing, but let's find a music genre we can agree on and check out a show ASAP. would be a blast. See what I did there? I'm being true to MYSELF, I'm being honest with HER, and I'm also keeping it light playful by offering a fun night out in a single fucking sentence. This is dominant, confident behavior and it will keep women in your life. Also, it's nice to embrace the diversity of your girlfriend's opinions…
/r/seduction10/03/18 08:44 PM
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I followed a bit of advice on my last post and I asked her what her weekend plans were. That's shit advice! Hemming and hawing. You: Let's grab a drink at Bar X, 9 on saturday. A Barbara Streisand metal cover band is playing. Assume attraction. YOU ARE the party, YOU ARE her best option amongst her plans. She said she's going out of town. I asked her if she wanted to drink together sometime, (weak I know) and she said she could try and see if she could fit it in before she left for out of town. …
/r/seduction10/03/18 08:40 PM
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Yes, that's being emotionally-uncentered (impatience), and is an auto-friendzone.
/r/seduction10/03/18 08:24 PM
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Yeah, lol. And that's how most guys sound.
/r/seduction09/03/18 11:50 PM
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I didn't see this link before. This video is very good, very well made. Everyone in this thread should watch it. I'd like to add something the video didn't: Just growing older won't guarantee you these kinds of results. You still have to have the kind of intellectual self-awareness, emotional-centeredness, and shocking honesty that the video hosts have, and that's work over time. the host telling the girl exactly what he's thinking about her daddy issues is fucking fantastic. It's this kind of s…
/r/seduction09/03/18 09:34 PM
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Edit - LOL at the downvotes because I wrote that I’ve had a lot of women in my lifetime. Those guys who downvoted it will NEVER get to reach their goal of attaining women. Being jealous of others dudes is one of the worst qualities another man could possess. Yeah, lol. They just don't understand that the counter-intuitive advice, and the advice that challenges insecurities and laziness is the right advice.
/r/seduction09/03/18 09:34 PM
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No need to feel her out. You are the prize, and the catch! So you act like it. Think about what you want. You want to have sex with her again if you're being honest. If a woman I'm attracted to texts me first, I simply invite her over right away because it means she's thinking about me. Her: How have you been? Me: It's been crazy lately, but in a good way. By the way, I'm watching Netflix and beer night at my place. You should swing by. If she says no, stop texting her and meet other women. If s…
/r/seduction09/03/18 09:10 PM
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I'm totally serious. Thirty is nothing man. That's a young grasshopper ready to bound around the meadow. And if you take care of your body with lifting, you feel like you're 20 in your 40's.
/r/seduction09/03/18 06:36 AM
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Fitness is for high school and college. That's when you get laid based on those aspects. Fitness is actually MORE important as you age. 25 and particularly 30 onward, it's mostly about what you can offer society. It seems society rewards "hard to achieve" goals such as getting a good higher education and a good stable career, pretty nicely. This has nothing to do with being good at seduction. Obviously a 30+ guy who looks like a male model could have no college education, be unemployed and live …
/r/seduction09/03/18 05:29 AM
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Women of all ages love a dude who appears strong and manly, that’s just biology they can’t even help themselves. 100%. Now, add in emotionally-centered, chill, playful, and good in bed, and beautiful women will stay in your life.
/r/seduction09/03/18 05:09 AM
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Hi ishfish - If you do full body workouts, studies indicate it's actually better for your muscles. I was doing 4x a week, then adjusted to a slightly more intense 3x a week and have noticed an improvement. Plus, throw in sex, hiking, fishing. https://www.t-nation.com/training/lifting-3-days-a-week-is-best I'm not saying this will work for you, but it's working for me, allowing for better muscle recovery.
/r/seduction09/03/18 04:45 AM
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Dude, women generally don't give a fuck about your age so get that out of your head. This x1000000 Age is NOT a social/courtship barrier for men. FITNESS is. Love it, live it, learn it.
/r/seduction09/03/18 01:28 AM
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I’m looking to get better at approaching and meeting women during the day. The problem is that I’m 40 and live in a horrible place for that (Silicon Valley). Excuses. I’ve tried online dating and it just seems pointless and silly to me to bury my face in a phone swiping right all day when I see gorgeous women walking around everywhere. You just contradicted yourself blatantly. You just said your town is horrible for approaching hot women, yet you see them all day. Which is it? I’m probably in be…
/r/seduction09/03/18 01:25 AM
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Girl hits on you, goes to your dorm room, wants to jump your bones. She doesn't want to be your pal, she wants you to take control and get her off. Instead of being a naughty lover, you were the wimpy nice guy. Hit her up in a couple weeks.
/r/seduction08/03/18 09:27 PM
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it became clear that it was going that direction and that she was doing nothing to stop it. So I decided to talk to her about it. "I'm finding you very attractive and would like to sleep with you..." Isn't this IMPLIED when you're giving her a massage on your bed? lol. Come on, dude. If things are "heading" that way, why do you need to be Johnny Obvious and talk about it? Just do it. Awkward seduction my friend.
/r/seduction08/03/18 09:25 PM
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If you have no status you can't have choice in women, though. That's the truth mate. Point out some case of a 30+ loser who has choice in women. I bet you can't. If that "loser" is fit and confident, he'll keep more beautiful women in his life than a chunky CEO. Being social or whatever does not matter without age-appropriate education and money. Horrible advice! Money and formal education have nothing to do with seducing attractive women. You seduce, and keep beautiful women in your life by bei…
/r/seduction08/03/18 08:33 PM
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Let me be brutally honest: The fact you think that you're now 27 years old, and your social life is over conveys to me you lack self-awareness and an ability to grasp proper context, which is likely hurting you with women. 27 is just getting started. Go to the gym, start hitting the weights 3x a week, full body. Keep your carbs under 80 grams a day. Focus on your career (as you are doing). No TV in your spare time, read non-fiction and fiction (get a Kindle or hit up your library) to increase yo…
/r/seduction08/03/18 08:31 PM
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Simply put, to be of value in the market, you need to actually be of value. So stay on top of your shit. If you think you can spend a few months not approaching, not being social, in depression, overly busy with work etc. you'll come back to the field like you stepped out of a time machine This is great. And especially if you got fat.
/r/seduction08/03/18 03:28 AM
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Agreed 100%.
/r/seduction08/03/18 03:27 AM
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Dave from Chicago sounds like a bitch. One of the most important things you can do when you hit 35+, is hit the fucking weights. Otherwise your body eats itself and you have the metabolism of a Twinkie. Also, if you're having a hard time matching with women on Tinder/Bumble, you're either fat, poorly dressed, or have bad hygiene. Why? Because those apps are strictly based on the physical. when a guy says he is "good looking" bu then can't get Tinder dates, he's full of shit. The dating market is…
/r/seduction08/03/18 02:53 AM
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She expressed her fears about how guys don't really see her for who she is past her looks etc etc and she seemed genuinely concerned about it. lol, this shit makes me laugh. There's no drama here, man. None. It's nonsense. this is how you handle vain drama queens: Her: Guys just see my body, and all they want is to fuck. It makes me sad. You (with a grin): Really? You're not that hot. Then you walk over and start kissing her, give her a good slap on the ass. your frame sucks. She could feel you …
/r/seduction06/03/18 11:05 PM
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I would try to initiate a meet up early on but after I've met up with them I and we're messaging again I find it hard to keep it going. Good. Her: Hi. You: Hi. Let's meet at Bar X, 9pm. Her: Okay! You: Hi. Her: Hi. You: It's netflix and beer night at my place. Come by. Next day: Her: had a great time last night. You: Cool. Same here. A few days later: You: hey Sarah, I'm coming to pick you up at 8. Dress hot. Her: Really? You: Yep. Her: Okay. Interest is maintained through high level, quality, i…
/r/seduction05/03/18 10:12 PM
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YES. Assuming non-exclusivity in all early partners is healthy and centered. This is normal. Early courtship with other attractive people is rarely "cut and dry" because attractive people have a lot of options that take the form of orbiters, potential lovers, a person theyr'e chasing, a person chasing them, or ex's. Here's how you win: All you can control is how you show up, every day. You cannot, and will never control a woman's feelings. So focus not on her words, but on your behavior. If you'…
/r/seduction05/03/18 09:48 PM
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Male friends don't indicate social status. Being seen with women who are touching you and smiling, or often seen with women on your arm is an indicator of social status. Strong, independent women don't give a flying fuck about your guys friends (or lack thereof). They're looking for a man who isn't afraid to be a lone wolf, and carve a determined path himself in this world. Compare and contrast frat boys (behaving like spike bucks) with the lone adventurer in the wild west who carves out a cabin…
/r/seduction05/03/18 09:40 PM
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rather call the girl I am dating with every few days or so and send snapchats every day to keep momentum going. This is a red flag to me. You don't need to "keep momentum going" via text or Snap. "Momentum" is maintained by high quality and positive in-person meetings. Is this a big deal? When I look at my friends phones I see that they text ALOT. Like they always have a conversation going. I am the only one who uses texting as a way to set up meetings and a little small talk here and there. No,…
/r/seduction05/03/18 09:33 PM
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This is normal. Early courtship with other attractive people is rarely "cut and dry" because attractive people have a lot of options that take the form of orbiters, potential lovers, a person theyr'e chasing, a person chasing them, or ex's. Here's how you win: All you can control is how you show up, every day. You cannot, and will never control a woman's feelings. So focus not on her words, but on your behavior. If you're good in bed, playful, focused on fitness and your career, and emotionally-…
/r/seduction05/03/18 01:43 AM
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This is the right way to go. Game/early courtship is not just about what you can get "right now", it's also about planting seeds for the future. Most guys are stuck in a "now now now" mentality due to lack of self-awareness and ability to properly see context. This is fixed by reading a lot of good fiction and non-fiction in congruency with accruing physical experience with women. Also, never call out women for flaking on a first meet. That is the sign of a desperate and emotionally unstable man…
/r/seduction05/03/18 12:26 AM
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Her: You're a player, aren't you? You (with a grin): I never kiss and tell.
/r/seduction04/03/18 10:22 PM
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We went on one date 3 weeks ago and it went well Sounds like you're projecting your experience onto her, and she isn't reciprocating. She’s so smart and confident I could talk with her all day. This is a seduction forum. The next week after that we made plans do something on Thursday but it was short notice and the plans ended up kinda dissolving the day of. Yeah, she's bored with you and didn't show up. You're boring her to death. Stop the chatty texts and get to the point: You: Hey, it's Netfl…
/r/seduction04/03/18 01:19 AM
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Her: Do you think I'm slutty? You: Yes, and I love it. Until a woman says "we're exclusive", she can kiss who she wants. It's important to remember that attractive women on the 8/9/10 scale will have active social lives, and numerous male orbiters. By being emotionally-centered, good in bed, fun, and positive, she will organically choose you and slowly fade the others from her life as she falls in love with you and has "the talk" (IE, be my exclusive boyfriend). This is how attractive men and wo…
/r/seduction03/03/18 08:14 PM
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I made out with a girl from work, we got talking and this ended up being a very good night at hers. We exchanged details and we've spoke ever since, everyday. Mistake #1. Yappity-Yap-Yap. Too much contact. I decided to ask her on a date, as we agreed we would go for dinner. Mistake #2. A dinner date is too much of an investment in time early on. A simple drink or two is far more effective and standard. My friend you MUST learn to understand context. Look at the world around you. Look at what hap…
/r/seduction03/03/18 12:35 AM
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Four years is too long, man. Get back out there.
/r/seduction03/03/18 12:23 AM
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Hired guns are my specialty. I love most bartenders because they tend to be out in the real world faster earning a paycheck, and develop a fierce independent streak along with being sex-positive. Since December, I've had a threesome with my LTR (not a bartender) and two bartenders. One of the bartenders, twice. The other just once, but perhaps another round next week. I never ask for the threesomes, they happen organically. My previous relationship was with a bartender. So...how to pull bartende…
/r/seduction02/03/18 10:27 PM
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100%.
/r/seduction02/03/18 09:59 PM
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If you escalate too fast (and if you seem competent instead of desperate) before creating emotional connection, you are going to come across as a fuck boy. That's ok. In a lot of ways, she wants you to be a fuck boy. But it's very hard to transition from that to wanting to be her boyfriend. Completely disagree. If you're good in bed, she's going to be begging you to come over. When you give women orgasms, it releases a hormone called oxytocin, which makes her feel close to you and bonded. You ha…
/r/seduction02/03/18 09:57 PM
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I'm completely against negging. A joke in good fun is cool, but putting a girl down only works for girls with low self-esteem. It depends how it's done. If it's in a playful way and a response to her negging, it's all good (otherwise known as banter). But if done in a cold, manipulative way I agree it's toxic. I would just risk the rejection for the friend. I've never been really interested in having friends that are girls, unless it's to expand my social circle. But, if I'm interested, I don't …
/r/seduction02/03/18 09:52 PM
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I'll add on to this, the easiest way to cut your losses is to have a rotation. It's easy to let a girl go when you have 4 others you're smashing. This is why it's so easy for very attractive women to"next" potential lovers without a hint of remorse. When you have four or five super attractive people lined up to roll around in bed with you, you're not going to focus on the micro-details of one person.
/r/seduction02/03/18 09:50 PM
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I hop on here to help guys out and the most common mistake I see is taking things too slow. Agreed. I see that, and over-contact. "But, she's a tender butterfly, and I'm a gentleman." Think about this, "other guys have spanked that butterfly and pulled her hair." Are you going to be one of those guys? Yep, lol. You would be surprised how many girls are willing to fuck on the first date, even after just meeting. But you have to try. Nothing beats empowered and liberated women.
/r/seduction02/03/18 09:47 PM
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To be fair, im a pretty level headed guy and I simply don't enjoy flings/casual stuff. You just haven't found a woman who blows you away yet. I've been in various relationships where they wern't serious, and eventually I didn't see the point in it. I felt that time could be used for more important things. Though, if someone was interested in something serious I would be more open to dedicating time to that. I see what you are saying. But love is not serious. Love is playful. You won't find what …
/r/seduction01/03/18 09:51 PM
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Love and long term relationships are about fun and positive emotions. Biology and science > human constructs like religion. Attraction does not give two flying fucks about religion...any religion. It just is. Secondly, judging women who are FREE and sexually liberated and empowered is a bad way to go. It's beautiful. Science is beautiful. Life is beautiful. Your outlook is bleak, and it will doom your social life. Long term relationships stem organically from fun, positivity, and love. Not rigid…
/r/seduction01/03/18 09:38 PM
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Here's where you went wrong: Alpha Dick Comedian: "Shit, what kind of engineer do you want to be?" Unloyal Ho: "I'm chemical engineering right now. Working in petroleum." Alpha Dick Comedian: "How did you come to realize that you enjoy working with petrol?" Unloyal Ho: "Less enjoy, more money. I'm good at it. It pays a lot." YOU (with a grin): What else are you good at? Learn to segue within context. Instead, you ratcheted up the mundane: Alpha Dick Comedian: "You're good at working with petrole…
/r/seduction01/03/18 09:26 PM
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I suggested that you don't contact them at all for a week. I also suggest looking into your interactions on the initial date. Are you paying for everything? Dinner and a movie or just a drink? Are you dressing decently? Are you asking them back to your place within the first hour of the date? Are you talking too much? There are a variety of factors at work here. But one thing is certain: you are being ghosted because you aren't challenging, or intriguing these women. A couple other tips: More mu…
/r/seduction01/03/18 06:08 AM
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Yeah, stop texting these women after the first date. If I'm really into a woman, I won't text her for a few days after the first date, even if we had sex. early courtship with 8/9/10's is about setting a tone...and that tone is that: 1. I have a life. 2. I have options. 3. You're not dealing with the average guy. Guys who don't have success with women usually blow up a woman's phone after the first date. The morning after is the biggest mistake...makes it look like you haven't sniffed the opposi…
/r/seduction01/03/18 05:44 AM
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Yeah it's a weird situation, man. Women just have their preferences and often won't reveal why in order to spare our feelings, just like you and I have certain preferences on the women we like. How do your texts to her look? If she's putting out stuff on CL, I'd send a text like this, JUST like this: "I want to have my way with you tonight." No mundane "what are you up to?" feelers. Shocking, honest. To the point. Might pique her interest if you've been sending milquetoast texts.
/r/seduction01/03/18 05:32 AM
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You have to learn how to seque, my man. always be aware of context in your life. Most men don't understand it, don't have the self-awareness to. It comes from reading fiction and non-fiction, new experiences, and an open mind. When a woman you're attracted to takes you to a sex shop, you have to segue on context: You: "Hey, I like that vibrator you just got. I'd love to see you use it when we get back." This girl sounds fun as fuck...exactly the kind of sexually liberated and empowered woman I l…
/r/seduction01/03/18 04:02 AM
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No worries, man. It happens to all of us. I'm in a LTR of two years. Luckily my girl likes it when I approach other women, so I can keep sharp. your plan sounds good!
/r/seduction01/03/18 02:33 AM
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You're good, man. Ask her out over text, or in person. Whichever one doesn't make tour voice shaky or your hands fidget. ;) The important thing is to just go for what you want respectfully, and quickly. Get to the point with women, and they'll get to the point with you (especially strong and liberated women).
/r/seduction01/03/18 02:25 AM
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And I'm not sure how inviting her over to my house in this context would go over so well. That's what nice guys think, and it's why they have trouble getting laid. Also, your plan to "build attraction over the semester" is quite frankly, a fucking joke and super weak. Attraction is either there or not. You don't carefully build it around Her Queen Majesty. The plan you have outlined is the needy, scaredy-cat route. Invite her over to study ASAP and order pizza and beer.
/r/seduction01/03/18 01:56 AM
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Could you please post the texts you're sending them after the dates? Could be a combination of bad post-date texts and being too nice on the dates.
/r/seduction01/03/18 01:17 AM
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There are so many out there that preach only focusing on yourself and not caring about women and they will just naturally come. This is true. By increasing your awareness and vocabulary through reading fiction and non-fiction, building muscle at the gym, dressing decently, and remaining plyful, indifferent, and emotionally-centered, you'll have women chasing you. While they do have a point, the individual doing this doesn't have that much more of control over his sexual destiny than he did befor…
/r/seduction01/03/18 01:11 AM
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He has a really high paying job, he's ripped, he dresses well, and he has a pretty interesting life yet rarely do the kinds of women he wants come after him and in the rare times when they do, he still strikes out. This is the sign of a man who is emotionally-uncentered. You can be hot as fuck, ripped, but it's only good for attracting women initially, not keeping them in your life. He's pushing them away by acting like a bitch over text/in-person.
/r/seduction01/03/18 01:09 AM
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The sex wasn't good (in her eyes). Most girls are freaks...freakier than guys. Men who are novices in seduction (IE 95% of them) think women are innocent, powerless creatures or princesses. Nope. This girl sounds like a freak who isn't having her needs met (thus craigslist).
/r/seduction01/03/18 01:06 AM
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Ask her what her plans are for the week. By knowing her plans you can pick a date that works better for you and will reduce the amount of "no's" you get. This is a passive tactic, IMHO, based on fear of rejection. Just come up with a place and time. If she's interested, she'll offer a counter time. On the day of send her a text saying that you might be running just 5min late to the date. No one is going to cancel a date over a guy being 5min late and this will eliminate the possibility of you be…
/r/seduction01/03/18 01:03 AM
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After the Netflix invite if it fails? Her: haha, you'll have to figure out your remote on your own. You're a big boy. I've got plans. You: Cool, no worries. Have fun. And then you let her hit you back. Here's the thing: this outcome is not always defeat. In fact, it's a very confident, to-the-point ask out. You're basically saying you want to hook up. You've stated your case, and if you truly walk away, there's a good chance she will hit you back some time, because being direct and confident, an…
/r/seduction28/02/18 07:12 AM
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Being overly needy, which he didn't display, he wanted to spend time with her, why withhold yourself, being needy means she said get away from me and he pursues her. One person's idea of "spending time" is another person's Stage five Clinger. Understanding the subtleties and balance of early courtship is important. Not really, there is no appropriate courtship etiquette Of course there is. I spent 24/7 with my wife when we first met and still do, I wanted to spend all day with her and she did me…
/r/seduction28/02/18 04:38 AM
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I wouldn't say it at all. Here's a comparison of ask-outs: Her: Can't, I have to work. You: Alright, let me know. Better: Her: Can't, I have to work. You: Cool, get that cash. I'll hit you up later. A week later at 4pm: Hey, it's XXX. I'm having beer and Netflix marathon tonight. You should swing by because I forgot how to work the remote.
/r/seduction28/02/18 04:10 AM
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Being needy is the main reason men get dumped in early courtship. It's why most men struggle. There's a fine line between wanting to spend time with a woman in early courtship, and smothering her to the point she pulls away. Not being able to grasp these appropriate courtship boundaries will cause men problems. It's an emotional flaw in many, many men who don't understand appropriate courtship etiquette. True, it is easy to date women. It's not so easy to date women who knock your socks off (8, …
/r/seduction28/02/18 04:04 AM
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He admits he was needy: I should've slowed things down and given each other some space for attraction and feelings to grow. That's why he got friend-zoned. I'm not saying the woman he's dealing with is perfect. But all men can control is how they show up everyday. That's it. Pointing out flaws in game should not cause a man insecurity....it should help him to grow and be better. And anyone afraid of improving, and refusing to have an open mind is doomed to a life of jacking off.
/r/seduction28/02/18 12:55 AM
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being yourself is never wrong Most guys, in the context of early courtship, have no clue. They don't know how to control their emotions, which results in being nexted or ghosted often. If they continue to "be themselves" within the context of courtship, they'll continue to chase women from their lives. They need to improve, to grow, and to evolve to a place where "being themselves" creates an abundance of options in their life rather than scarcity. Being needy is not "being yourself". It's a tox…
/r/seduction28/02/18 12:21 AM
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Tell her you want a week to think about it...that you want to go on a couple dates like she did.
/r/seduction27/02/18 10:56 PM
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"Let me know" is passive behavior and puts the ball in her court. "Let me know" becomes passive and needy if you keep asking the girl out and she says she's busy and you respond in that fashion.
/r/seduction27/02/18 10:18 PM
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Always give a date, place and time when asking a woman out.
/r/seduction27/02/18 03:56 AM
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Why say "it's a bummer"? It's a pointless expression. Her: Can't, I have to work. Me: Cool, get that cash. I'll hit you up later. A week later at 4pm: Hey, it's XXX. I'm having beer and Netflix marathon tonight. You should swing by because I forgot how to work the remote. Remember, this is supposed to be fun. There's no reason ever to introduce negative emotions into early courtship. The more you remain indifferent yet playful, the more success you'll have in seduction.
/r/seduction27/02/18 03:41 AM
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The phone is for arranging MEETS in early courtship. Novices don't understand that a woman knows if she'll sleep with you very soon upon meeting you. And most men talk and over-contact their way out of this initial attraction, when all they have to do is be chill and focus on their career and fitness. Women on a 9 and 10 level of attractiveness have numerous men blowinging up their phones and they will ghost or friend-zone guys who don't appear as confident while the most chill, dominant, and fu…
/r/seduction27/02/18 03:33 AM
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Great post. Reality.
/r/seduction27/02/18 02:30 AM
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Holy fucking overthink! Take a deep breath and RELAX. nothing is wrong. Nothing at all. You have a cute girl that you like asking to come over. NOTHING is wrong. Your reply: "Yeah, I'd love for you to cook. I'm free tonight at 8."
/r/seduction26/02/18 10:58 PM
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Baby face is usually fixed by low carb diets (pops out your cheekbones) and/or facial hair. by my late 20's, I was losing what had been a beautiful head of hair. I tried to hide it, tried to do all this shit to cover it up. It literally made me look ten years older. One day I just shaved it, and then decided to grow a beard (neat and clean, not hippie shit). I began to attract hotter women. Now, not every woman will love this look. Some women love a full head of hair and no facial hair. but many…
/r/seduction26/02/18 10:07 PM
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Ah okay. Makes more sense now. To address the point you just brought up about "stirring the pond" up in a bad way, it's usually a case of a guy trying way too hard. Direct, honest approaches that get to the point usually won't garner this kind of response.
/r/seduction26/02/18 10:05 PM
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If you had sex with her before the "let's be friends", yes, it is possible to reverse it. If there's no sexual history, it's over for good.
/r/seduction26/02/18 09:17 PM
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Shave your head, grow a light beard and hit the gym (weights 3x a week). Keep your carbs under 80 grams a day. Read more books, dress better. This is how you fix "young bald guy struggling with women" syndrome. It is especially important to shave your head if your hair is thinning that badly. It takes you right from passive guy to looking dominant. When you ad muscle, you look even more dominant. This is a legit, very legit action to take.
/r/seduction26/02/18 09:14 PM
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How does reputation affect women you've never met?
/r/seduction26/02/18 09:10 PM
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If she gave you head, you left out the most important detail in the entire post, lol. That's an established sexual history. A lot of guys talk about how to tell when a woman likes you. My answer is, "when she unzips your pants". It looks like she was attracted to you, and you ruined the attraction (or dissipated it) by being needy and over-contacting her. This is really common. your "saving grace" is that she was physically attracted enough to go down on you. Now you need to make yourself emotio…
/r/seduction26/02/18 03:53 AM
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So, my question here is: what's your opinions on going solo to the bar? It's brilliant. It's the best game. It's the bull elk. And it makes you better. Make sure your clothes aren't faded. Add some muscle. Hired guns especially like a fit, confident man who isn't afraid to not be part of the frat.
/r/seduction26/02/18 02:31 AM
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Basically someone told her about my relationship a year ago where I would routinely get very upset and jealous. This is what happens when men are emotionally-uncentered. However, MOST guys are like this. Very few men attain a level of self-awareness to where they move beyond this. And these men are UNTOUCHABLE when it comes to early courtship and maintaining non-platonic relationships. She just told me she’s knows I’m really sensitive and emotional. Is there anyway to come back from this or prov…
/r/seduction26/02/18 12:45 AM
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HER: What are you up to this weekend? YOU: Drinking and listening to music with you at my place on Saturday. ME: Literally nothing, have like twenty dollars left so I'm pretty broke right now haha Wow, that's hot. :( She's just at the entrance so I see her, give her a hug, and then head to the bar with my friends to get some drinks (because we were there to celebrate one of my friends' birthday) Dude, fuck the sausage fest. Go talk to the woman. Not much I can do about it unless I see her around…
/r/seduction26/02/18 12:10 AM
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Most women don't like muscleheads Eh, that's not true. Studies indicate muscular men have a 30-40% higher rate of first night sex over their scrawnier peers. That's like saying, "men don't like nice tits", lol. A lot of men mistakenly think muscles projects sexuality when it just projects raw power which a lot of women find a bit frightening. It's not about sexuality, muscles just convey that you work hard in life...that you have goals other than playing COD on your couch and snacking. I'm 40. M…
/r/seduction26/02/18 12:02 AM
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Baby face is usually caused by face bloat, which means you're eating too many carbs. Glad you're hitting the gym, but I would advise limiting your carbs to under 80 grams a day. If you stick to that for a week, your face will become more defined as it loses the water weight. If you have a weak chin, grow a neatly-trimmed beard.
/r/seduction25/02/18 11:54 PM
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So I’ll try to make this as short as possible but I think some of the context is important. Most of it isn't important at all. You're elevating basic, simple early courtship into something important when it really isn't. I was given the number of a girl late last year through a mutual acquaintance. Bad start. I texted her and she was very talkative from the get go. Women talk a lot. Nothing special or unique about it. I go back and forth with her via text pretty much daily. ( I realize this was …
/r/seduction25/02/18 11:39 PM
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The last couple of weeks I've just felt a decent level of comfort with her and she's been asking what I'm doing the rest of the day, starting into my eyes and dropping long pauses. She's a really sweet girl, older than me, but I completely respect what she does and her personality. I think she's at least 5 years older than man, into her early 30's and in a different part of her life. We definitely have a great mutual respect for each other, but this kind of dynamic is tough to find out there. Th…
/r/seduction25/02/18 11:23 PM
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Great stuff. Too many guys watch those Youtube videos of PUA's (usually quite scrawny guys) leaning into women and yapping away like a coyote on meth. No. When a man gets good enough at this, the women do that TO HIM. Direct eye contact displays confidence and dominance. And you don't have to tell a woman "Derrr...derr I like you". Your eyes are speaking for you. The trick is not to be creepy about it and to convey the right message. Don't do it constantly all the time. Don't stare at her like a…
/r/seduction25/02/18 11:12 PM
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This has happened to me before. In fact, my current LTR of two years with a fitness model came about this way. I had a friend who is five years younger, handsome, and the "talker" in our circle. My gf (obviously not my gf at the time) went on a date with this guy after he and I expressed interest. in fact, when she came into the bar, he threw me a worried look, pointed at her, and said "I want that one". Well, they went on a date. He got too drunk and talked a lot. he bought her dinner, flowers …
/r/seduction22/02/18 10:54 PM
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The only way you doom yourself to a life of Five Finger Sally is if you become fat and fail to focus on your career. AGE is not a social obstacle for men. FITNESS is.
/r/seduction22/02/18 10:46 PM
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This is dependent on the social context. If you're at a party or out with friends it's completely ok to be attention grabbing. And you don't have to be boisterous or obnoxious to do it either. I think it depends. It's not a bad thing to be charming in front of a group at a party. But the reason I generally advise against it is that most seduction advice is given to men who don't understand even the basics. So trying to teach them the sensibilities of a charming socialite is a waste of time. They…
/r/seduction19/02/18 08:07 PM
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It's funny the impact that over-contact can have in early courtship. It can really be a fickle thing, especially for strong, independent women who can stand on their own two feet, and who have jobs. My current girlfriend, after a couple weeks of fucking, told me in bed that, "I don't feel obligated to have a long text conversation with you. I like it." And YES, early on, I use texting for logistics and sexting only.
/r/seduction19/02/18 01:13 AM
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If it is true however then it would only be insecure low value girls who "stifle" these actions. Women are more emotionally-inteligent than men, and these days, women on the 8,9,10 attractive scale are more dominant than the majority of men, and CERTAINLY have an abundance mentality that 99% of men will never, ever have. Their behavior is a reflection of their life experience --- surrounded by male butlers who kiss their ass. Do you blame them for treating a butler like a butler?
/r/seduction19/02/18 01:06 AM
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My gf would never do this in public to me, as I established my boundaries early on in the relationship. This is a fitness model who had numerous male orbiters--a gorgeous woman with many suitors. She was more intelligent and dominant than these men, and had a few slip ups early on because she was used to leading and dominating these passive orbiters. I'd simply whisper into her hear, "don't disrespect your man, babe". Then kiss her on the cheek. she'd get right back to her feminine, playful self…
/r/seduction19/02/18 01:02 AM
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Girls don't ghost on fuckboys...that's why he's a fuckboy. ;) Girls ghosting on physically attractive men is a big, red, flag that the man is not emotionally-centered within the context of courtship and seduction. This comes across as being too eager, trying too hard, texting too much, texting too long, boring conversation/afraid to walk away from a conversation, neediness, controlling. women ghosting a physically attractive man also conveys that he has a lack of confidence and fails to get to t…
/r/seduction18/02/18 11:32 PM
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No problem!
/r/seduction18/02/18 10:47 PM
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Yep, agreed. And glad to help.
/r/seduction18/02/18 10:47 PM
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I've had four threesomes since December (three different women, one woman twice...god damn that was hot). One of the women was a "Christmas present" from my gf. I'm in my room reading my Kindle and listening to music. At about 1 a.m., I hear my gf and a friend come into the house. then I hear "I'm doing this because you're super into it." As a woman's voice comes up the stairs. She knocks. I open the bedroom door, and it's a former co-worker of my gf's that I've met maybe four times. She looks m…
/r/seduction17/02/18 08:44 PM
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I was like that in my early 20's. It's totally common, so don't worry too much. I could attract women easily, but I did not have my emotions in check (most guys don't). I'd linger to long on the phone, not be aware of space, etc. It's not really something that required therapy, it just required a higher investment in myself, and reading and reading -- which IMPROVED my self-awareness immensely. Once my self-awareness improved, and my experience with women physically and in early courtship increa…
/r/seduction15/02/18 09:44 PM
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Some background: 5’7” asian college student. 135 lbs. 21 years old. Bulk up at the gym, swap your jogging for lifting. that will take away some of the "funny asian friend" vibe that women get from you right now. you need some swagger. I know plenty of women that find asian men attractive -- especially in the inland U.S. where it's seen as kind of exotic (a good thing). Your nationality/birthplace really doesn't matter for attracting women. What matters is: Confidence (direct and HONEST with wome…
/r/seduction15/02/18 07:56 AM
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Texting is for arranging dates. It's also for crisp, playful POSITIVE emotions, not boring novels about their day or politics or your beliefs. I talk a lot about "emotionally-centered" men. Being UNABLE to walk away from a text conversation is neurotic and emotionally-uncentered behavior. Take this as a great opportunity to learn to control your emotions. You should be having conversations IN PERSON. If a girl goes cold on you (usually she has other male orbiters, a boyfriend, or career) simply …
/r/seduction15/02/18 12:01 AM
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You don't need to pray, man. You just need to be firm, direct, and playful. You: "Hey, Sheila. Let's grab drinks at Bar X, 9pm tomorrow." Her: "Not Sheila. Wrong number." You: "Oh. Well forget Sheila, you sound more fun." Or just go the simple route: You: "Hey Sarah, lets do drinks at bar x, 9pm tomorrow."
/r/seduction14/02/18 11:58 PM
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Disappearing on Tinder isn't ghosting. "Ghosting" is when someone disappears after a date or during a relationship. Honestly, you worrying about what a girl on Tinder thinks just tells me you're way over-invested. I'd hit the bars and approach women.
/r/seduction13/02/18 10:14 PM
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You're too early into the courtship to have a say. Keep it fun and easy, full of positive vibes. low drama, no negative emotions texts. Make the sex good. Hit the gym. Rinse, repeat and she'll bring up exclusivity.
/r/seduction13/02/18 10:09 PM
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Yes, women can pick up on it. Just like they can pick up on a guy who is swimming in sex. The day after a threesome and a good gym session is always hilarious. There's a magnetic effect. FWIW, when a woman asks you "when is the last time you got laid?" It means you're trying too hard.
/r/seduction13/02/18 10:08 PM
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No they aren't, they are perfect This is a seduction forum. Your home, or a bar with good ambient lighting, a drink, and a night-life atmosphere are superior for seduction. Night-time is when adults make dates. Most coffee shops are corporate and cold, with grandpas and little kids running around. Until we can read minds, we can express our enjoyment, he liked her that is not projecting. He said "we had a great date". That's projecting. He can express his enjoyment, that's fine. But professing t…
/r/seduction13/02/18 09:52 PM
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Details : All three of us are single. One of them is a classmate and the >other is her roommate. The plan for the evening : wine, ice-cream >and films. Sounds like you're in the friend-zone. About me : Tall but average looking, a tiny bit on the chubby side >(can't really go for the physical seduction). Huh? I can hold a conversation without stress with a girl but hardly ever make it to the next step : seducing her. Being overweight is the single biggest obstacle to getting laid by fit/attractiv…
/r/seduction13/02/18 09:16 PM
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A great relationship happens ORGANICALLY from fun, sex, and positive vibes. That's it. You can't go into the world/bars/whatever saying "I want a relationship!" because with that frame, socially valuable women (IE fit women) will run for the fucking hills due to neediness. It's not about any one person's agenda. It's about two people clicking really, really well and letting that breathe until a mutual love is formed.
/r/seduction13/02/18 09:05 PM
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This would actually turn me on. I really like women who show independent sexuality and who tell me about their preferences/desires. If a gorgeous woman walks past my girlfriend, you can damn well bet I'm checking her out. And I would hope my gf would do the same to an attractive man. These are the kind of secure, confident relationships I love -- where each person has a basic understanding of science and the laws of attraction. If this is a woman I just met, and she's still re-engaging with me i…
/r/seduction13/02/18 09:01 PM
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One thing is a girl not wanting to give her number after chatting with you for 2 min on a cold approach, but this is a date. If nothing happened on the date (which seems like it, maybe OP was too passive), and even worse than that, she is not even comfortable exchanging contacts after the date then it's game over pal. This.
/r/seduction13/02/18 08:37 PM
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So I met this girl for coffee. We had a great date in my opinion. Coffee dates are lame. Also, careful with projecting that YOU had a good time onto her experience as well. Her experience may have been entirely different. So many men I talk to always project their feelings onto the woman, and the results are usually not good at all for the man -- usually a heavy dose of over-investment and Stage Five Clinger. "I had a great time on the date". Later I told her over tinder that I had fun and I'd l…
/r/seduction13/02/18 08:36 PM
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Women don't care how many guy friends you have. However, it looks like YOU do care. So if it's bumming you out, start to put yourself out there. The only reason for platonic friendships is commonality. If that's not there, friends will fade. Lock down your interests, and join groups. For example, if you like to hike, join a hiking group. It's really fucking easy this way.
/r/seduction12/02/18 09:04 PM
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You're not supposed to keep conversation over text. Texting is for arranging dates. You get to know people in person. I've had a couple women tell me, "Gnome, you're not like other guys. I don't feel obligated to have long text conversations with you, and I like that." Guys who are texting all day are guys who can't keep beautiful women in their lives. They are likely texting women who have friend-zoned them (IE they're male orbiters) or their bros. It's a pathetic way to live. A man should be w…
/r/seduction12/02/18 08:59 PM
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I understand that many men think this is trivial and not a big deal. However, for a woman, saying no is not always an option, and the fake number is one of the few tools at their dispersal to get out of uncomfortable or unsafe situations. It's COMPLETELY unnecessary to follow OP's advice, because women are more likely to give fake numbers intentionally than accidentally. So there is nothing to gain by confronting a woman on the spot. Instead, all you're doing is risking making her feel pressured…
/r/seduction12/02/18 12:40 AM
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i ask her if she wants to hang out and she says yes then that day comes This is your problem, right here. When a woman sends you nudes, you ask her over that night. Or even that afternoon. You don't set up a date, lol. Her: Here's a nude, sucka! You: Swing by tonight, 8. Don't ask, don't fucking confirm, don't be passive. A woman sending you nudes wants a dominant man. And women are very much of the moment. What she's feeling on the "day" of your passive date attempt may not be what she feels wh…
/r/seduction11/02/18 08:47 AM
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hey im 30 still virgin hope that help :D sex is not going to bring you >happiness. Sex brings me a lot of happiness. I wouldn't knock it until you try it. Also OP, you're 22. And more good news: You're privy to a shitload of knowledge on the internet from experienced men like myself who didn't have the incredible info-bounty of the modern internet when they were 22. I, and others had to learn the hard way.
/r/seduction11/02/18 08:42 AM
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Her: "Your flirting game is weak" You: "Yeah. It's a stark contrast with my bedroom game." Always say these things with a playful smirk. right away you're turning her neg into a sexual conversation, and remaining playful.
/r/seduction11/02/18 08:37 AM
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"I hope not." A woman who drinks too much is a sticking point for me (especially heavy wine drinkers...just...gross. Your mileage may vary). This is a subtle hint to her that she may not meet my standards. And this is good frame-an abundant frame.
/r/seduction10/02/18 10:56 PM
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I've been with a lot of hired guns. In fact they are my preference because they tend to be more independent females (out in the real world earlier than most women, earning a paycheck). They also tend to be a little more sex-positive and sassy. Which I like. And they tell me everything. A fit man by himself, dressed decently, who gets to the point and is honest in a charming way will seem less creepy than a guy who always travels with the frat who drinks and talks too much. Hit the bars. Wear non…
/r/seduction10/02/18 08:44 PM
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Yep, exactly. "Living in the moment" is in fact controlling your emotions. And it's very attractive.
/r/seduction10/02/18 08:36 PM
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More like figure out which woman you've had relations with in the last eight months do you want to grace with your presence on V-Day. Who's earned it by meeting your standards? That's the beauty of abundance and good long game. As Kendrick Lamar says on the brilliant DAMN: "There's levels to it, you and I know." Great game is 100% self-improvement. And it steamrolls to the point where you have the abundance of a gorgeous women in her 20's. And you do the choosing and the deciding. The OP is up d…
/r/seduction10/02/18 12:49 AM
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When my work goals are accomplished for the day, and my fitness goals, I slip into my free time and emphasize self-amusement. It's just a healthy, centered attitude.
/r/seduction09/02/18 11:38 PM
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Her: Are you playing me? Me (with a playful smirk): If by "playing" you mean charming you out of your clothes, then yes.
/r/seduction09/02/18 11:35 PM
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A great Valentines Day is created in the summer and fall of the previous year.
/r/seduction09/02/18 11:34 PM
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This is fantastic. It's just a total snowball effect. Most guys will have an attitude of "I don't want her to think I like sex!" or "I don't want to offend her". What they haven't picked up on yet is that socially valuable women (IE fit women) love the bull elk. They love men who get to the point, and who are honest. They just do. There's a reason why the covers on romance books are drawn the way they are. Mostly women buy those things, obviously.
/r/seduction09/02/18 11:09 PM
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Just use the photos to weed out your type, and then use shocking honesty/directness as soon as possible to weed out boring women.
/r/seduction09/02/18 10:34 PM
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Yup, same here. I know a lot of people say do not be funny via text >but it's just so boring otherwise. It's only boring if you make it boring and use the app as a chat room instead of a tool for meetups. You're not on Tinder/Bumble to crack jokes and be a court jester. You're there to meet women and hopefully get laid. There's nothing, NOTHING boring about replying to a Bumble woman with, "hey Kara, you have a crazy look in your eye, which is kinda cool. What are you up to later?" Right. To. Th…
/r/seduction09/02/18 10:32 PM
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Bumble is fantastic. You tend to find more independent, sex-positive women there simply due to the nature of the APP (women must initiate). My "opener" is simply saying what I'm thinking about her photos or her bio. Her: Hi Lingering Gnome, how's your day? Me: Hey Sarah, it's going great. By the way, what's the background story with the half-naked photo? That one caught my attention. This is what I call the Shocking Honesty Method. It does several crucial things at ONCE: Playfullness. Confidence…
/r/seduction09/02/18 10:28 PM
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Intent is implied when you approach a woman. Beware of redundancy, which makes men look like they aren't successful with women. For example, when you text a woman, don't say "I'd like to talk to you more" or "I'd like to get to know you more". This is implied by the fact you texted her. When you see a woman in a bar and approach her, your actions imply your intent. It is your job as a confident man to be congruent with your intentions and follow through. After getting to know her a bit, I'll tos…
/r/seduction08/02/18 11:42 PM
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"Hey, it's been a crazy week. Let's grab drinks at Bar X, 9pm."
/r/seduction08/02/18 10:38 PM
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I agree with this. The work out is for YOU. But man, the side effects are wonderful. ;)
/r/seduction08/02/18 10:35 PM
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"You look like you work out a lot" = "God damn I would worship that body tonight." Anytime a woman says that, get her number and escalate. And don't dwell on her compliment, or on the mundane aspects of exercise. Keep it light, fun, flirty. I've had women say the same thing to me. I simply respond with, "I do put in a little time at gym. What are you up to later tonight?". That's it. When a woman is in a visual mode with you....LOL. It's as effortless as it gets.
/r/seduction08/02/18 10:31 PM
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Honestly, it's weak. If you are attracted to a woman, and you see her occasionally, just go up to her and ask her out. Adding her without asking her out is very passive. Only do this for women you don't see. And even then adding is passive unless you have really good pics on your social.
/r/seduction08/02/18 10:29 PM
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I edited my post, with a caveat.
/r/seduction07/02/18 09:46 PM
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Yeah. If a woman is sitting next to you and showing you nudes of herself, make a move. If she's showing you nudes on her phone, her relationship is probably already fucked up, OR, she has an open relationship. Only you can decide if the morality of this is distasteful for you. HOWEVER, this is your roommate. Honestly ask yourself, by looking at her behavior, if you're a sexual option, or if she sees you as the gay male friend. There's not enough information here for me to recommend a move on a r…
/r/seduction07/02/18 09:43 PM
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If the sex is good, you don't have to do a thing. She'll be blowing up your phone.
/r/seduction07/02/18 09:32 PM
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When a woman shows you nude pictures, you escalate, RIGHT THERE. Her: Hey Jello, I want to show you my nudes. Translation: My boyfriend sucks in bed, and I'm getting bored. I've had women text me risque photos of themselves (lingerie, partial nudes, nudes, etc) and I immediately arrange a meet. NEVER....I repeat NEVER has a single one of those meets ever not resulted in sex.
/r/seduction07/02/18 09:31 PM
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Uh. She likes you. You should've asked her out on the spot.
/r/seduction07/02/18 09:29 PM
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Hang in there friend! You have what women call "no sex cologne" right now. What this means is you gotta start seducing less attractive women. The good news is, you'll improve your bedroom skills and it's better than jerking off. Give that a go for a few months while your gym game improves congruently, and you'll find yourself climbing the ladder of hotties.
/r/seduction07/02/18 09:27 PM
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It all depends if the friend is cute. CONTEXT is everything. And it all goes back to what I call "shocking honesty". This method does numerous things AT ONCE: Playfullness Sexualizes the conversation shows dominance/confidence. But, it also totally diffuses shit tests. If her friend is hot: You: Yeah, she has a great ass. If her friend is not hot: You: Maybe if she lost fifteen.
/r/seduction07/02/18 09:25 PM
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“You’re a great guy, but right now I’m not looking for anything >serious” line Women say that when they pick up on desperate relationship vibes emanating from you. It's a nice way of saying "slow down, cowboy. This is supposed to be fun, not clingy". I’m so sick of that line. Then they’ll still linger and hit me up but >with no motive or reason as to what they want from me. When a woman I've had physical relations with hits me up, I just assume she wants sex. Well I told her I really liked her a…
/r/seduction06/02/18 02:34 AM
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I usually get their number, wait a few days then text "Hey X, it >was nice meeting you the other day. Id like to talk to you more. Jesus, man. Isn't "I'd like to talk to you more" implied when you reach out and text her? And this message is boring, and so "nice guy". Let's compare two texts: Guy #1: hey, I had a really NICE time talking to you the other day. I'd really like to talk to you more. Guy #2: Holy shit I just remembered you gave me your number. Let's do Friday at Bar X, 9pm. Which guy …
/r/seduction05/02/18 08:05 PM
1

Yes, any approach that is framed as trying to see if the woman meets your standards is good frame.
/r/seduction05/02/18 08:02 PM
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Yes to this.
/r/seduction05/02/18 08:01 PM
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Agendas. Materialism. Lack of fitness. Short hair. Excessive wine drinking. Born-again. All of those things combined will literally make me run for the hills. Things I look for: Thin or athletic. long, feminine hair. Big doe eyes. Reads ficiton and non-fiction away from the internet. Open minded and sex-positive. Bi-sexual (I enjoy the occasional threesome, so this is important for a LTR). Independent, feminist.
/r/seduction05/02/18 07:55 PM
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Met this girl downtown Friday night, shared a few drinks with her >and she brought me back to her apartment, night was going great >until her housemate kicked me out at 4 in the morning. ah, that sucks. I got her Snapchat and sent her a message the next morning >saying I really enjoyed last night and had fun getting to know her. No. You're a man focused on your career and goals. You don't have time to Snap or text women in the morning unless you're in a LTR with them. And even then.... I told he…
/r/seduction05/02/18 07:49 PM
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This sounds like a classic case of a girl initially being attracted, then losing attraction from a combination of the man talking to much/over-contacting and failing to escalate. She's basically saying "I don't want to have sex with you". How would the bull elk respond to that? He'd move on to a new meadow. Had you at least had some kind of sex with her, there's a chance to be FWB. But that never happened. There's no physical bond between you two. If there was, you'd have a much better chance at…
/r/seduction05/02/18 07:37 PM
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That's amazing, man. What most men don't realize is that eye contact is so effective. Instead, most guys will watch these lame ass Youtube pickup videos, and watch the guys doing pickup leaning over into women, talking 90% of the time like hens on meth. Eye contact game combined with fitness game will do a lot of the talking for you.
/r/seduction05/02/18 07:32 PM
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Hot women know they are hot. If you're going to compliment, use specificity: You: Wow, you're beautiful. Her (thinking): Uh yeah, I know. My girlfriend has guys tell her she's beautiful all the time. They text her, Facebook IM her, IG her, etc. She rolls her eyes. It's something she has heard her entire life. Literally. It's boring. You: You have a crazy gleam in your eye that's kinda cool. Her: Ha. Better watch out. When you do this enough, and your fitness and confidence game is on point, just…
/r/seduction04/02/18 10:21 PM
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I do. But I don't ever think of myself in those terms. However, when instructing, sometimes imagery conveys a point better than a lot of words. The "bull elk" is just an analogy for worrying only about what you can control, and acknowledging that the best "game" results entirely from self-improvement and not any tricks our outside factors.
/r/seduction04/02/18 10:13 PM
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All that matters is if a woman makes you smile, makes you laugh, and excites you. That's it. Emotionally-centered, patient, playful, and fit men who are good in bed and focused on their career attract many women. These women will WANT to be your girlfriend, and will adjust themselves accordingly. ALL good relationships happen ORGANICALLY, over time. They don't happen with a man or woman saying "is he boyfriend or girlfriend material". They happen from passion, fun, and positive emotions. I would…
/r/seduction03/02/18 12:11 AM
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I have great communication skills, i can speak any people hours >long with any topics There's a big difference between being a great communicator within the context of your goals (work, seduction, friendly chat), and being a guy who just talks a lot. If you're unable to seduce women, you're a bad communicator within the context of seduction...not a good one. My problem starts from there. Girls never think about me more >than friendship. You probably talk too much. Which makes men look desperate.…
/r/seduction02/02/18 11:56 PM
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Socially valuable women (fit, landing on the 8,9,10 out of 10 scale) are mostly social creatures. In order to stay fit, these women are active. They work, work out, and go out. Their friends pull them out to clubs/bars. There's a fine line. If a woman is doing this most of the week, it's an issue, IMHO. But balance is good. You don't want a girl who just stays home and snacks (doubtful she'll be fit), or one who's out every night.
/r/seduction02/02/18 11:50 PM
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Men take longer to mature than women. I'm 40-ish, and only date fit 20-somethings who are sex-positive and independent. Currently live with a gorgeous woman in a LTR who is sex-positive and likes to watch me have sex with women in front of her that she brings home (yes, really). I literally have lingerie-wearing or naked women running around my place some nights. I feel like in my 20's, I would've been more controlling and chased someone like this away. I also feel I would've talked more, way mo…
/r/seduction02/02/18 10:33 PM
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None. Movie dates are bad first dates. Edit: This is in the context of a cinema/theater date. Movie first dates at home are fantastic.
/r/seduction02/02/18 12:28 AM
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My LTR actually gets turned on when I talk/flirt with other women. So I keep my skills nice and sharp, in a fun way.
/r/seduction02/02/18 12:28 AM
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How tall are you? You have to be what you want to attract. If you want fit, gorgeous 20-something women, you have to be fit. Or famous. A man has to be honest with his social value. We judge women on their looks and fitness, and we have to do the same to ourselves. This isn't wrong or bad, it's just the laws of attraction. I would lower expectations considerably until you get your weight towards 200 (depending on your height, even substantially lower). You're in a place right now where you're go…
/r/seduction01/02/18 11:39 PM
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Secure, dominant males who are emotionally-centered, playful, fit, slightly aloof, career-focused, and who go about their sexual desires in a respectful, consensual way will attract nuns, devil-worshippers, born-agains, feminists, anarchists, cat ladies, and knitting club members, Asian women, eskimos, and anyone else. It simply doesn't matter. Biology > human constructs like religion and political movements.
/r/seduction01/02/18 08:55 PM
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For example, if a girl is physically beautiful, and constantly gets >told that, she doesn’t need or want more flattery about her looks, >and complementing her on her appearance isn’t offering her much >value. 99% of beautiful women don't want to hear they are beautiful. They've heard it their ENTIRE lives.
/r/seduction01/02/18 08:48 PM
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This is why we convince ourselves that we’re “just going to focus >on social circle game” or “stop doing game for a while because I >have too much on my plate”- it’s not because game really isn’t a >priority, it’s because it’s hard. This is great. If you doubt that the best way to improve your dating life is >through cold approach, that’s fine. Come up with another solution, >but make sure it’s a real solution based on getting results, not an >excuse to procrastinate. Yes!
/r/seduction01/02/18 08:46 PM
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I have doubts because its usually a case of the girl offering to be >friends with me after being attracted but having some kind of >friction (ie. boyfriend) that I'm interested in befriending. That's different, IMHO. If a girl has shown interest, but has a BF, definitely keep her around if you're okay with the morality of it. I'm talking about women who strait up reject you, then friend-zone you. Don't waste your time in this scenario. you'll look clingy and you'll be "they guy without a dick" i…
/r/seduction01/02/18 12:59 AM
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You don't. A man who is ambitious doesn't have time to fill up his contact list with platonic friends, especially ones who rejected him. His time is important, and he spends non-work and gym time with women he is very attracted to, in a physical relationship (or multiple). When you hit on a woman, and she turns you down, trying to get her into your social circle is needy. It shows you've got nothing going on. At all. Why have a woman in your life who rejected you? Most guys think, "well, I can m…
/r/seduction31/01/18 11:38 PM
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You already went on a date. Don't contact her for a week, then text her this: "Hey, it's Netflix and drinks night at my place. You're welcome to join."
/r/seduction30/01/18 10:44 PM
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Most guys don't realize that a dinner and movie date is high investment early on. And not only is it high investment, but it's a god damn MARATHON of a date, especially after a long day of work. who knows whats next after movie More than likely the girl yawning and going home to sleep.
/r/seduction30/01/18 10:43 PM
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This is solved by reading good non-fiction and fiction for an hour a day.
/r/seduction30/01/18 10:40 PM
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You don't put girls in your social circle. You ask a girl out. If she says no, you ask another girl out. You do this until you have successful physical relationships with a woman, or multiple women. You don't linger around a woman who rejected you, and beg her to be pals in the hopes of breadcrumbs from her or her friends. A dominant male focused on his career does not have time to emphasize non-platonic relationships. They are strictly back-burner. Remember, this is a seduction forum.
/r/seduction30/01/18 10:36 PM
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Focus on your career and the gym. A man who is ambitious doesn't have time to fill up his contact list with platonic friends. He doesn't have time to answer texts all day from platonic friends. His time is important, and he spends non-work and gym time with women he is very attracted to, in a physical relationship (or multiple). When you hit on a woman, and she turns you down, trying to get her into your social circle is needy. It shows you've got nothing going on. At all. Why have a woman in yo…
/r/seduction29/01/18 10:34 PM
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I don't have a link...I'm not trying to sell anything. :) It's just from personal experience. Could you give an example and how you crossed it? Sure. It was a combination of time, not feeling guilty about sex, and coming to terms with healthy masculinity and courtship dynamics. I realized my inaction, or failure to sexualize in situations like this earlier on in my life was often the result of guilt or shame that masked itself. I needed to become more sex-positive. More experience with women phy…
/r/seduction29/01/18 01:25 AM
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It sounds like she's hesitating when you escalate, because you are. Been there a long time ago. If she says she wants you to be meaner, take the hint (dirty talk, leading instead of asking, etc). Good sex is about honest communication. She's giving you big hints, because she likes you. Gorgeous 20-somethings who know what they want sexually won't give you hints (they'll expect a man to know). They'll just next the guy because they have ten more blowing up their phone.
/r/seduction28/01/18 10:22 PM
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It sounds like you haven't even had sex with her yet? It's hard to decipher from this post.
/r/seduction28/01/18 09:52 PM
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I want you to read what I'm about to say very carefully. Because it's going to cure this for you: Women are not princesses. Most women love to catch a buzz, feel positive emotions, and then to have crazy, filthy, dirty sex. They love to have their fantasies opened up. They love to be talked dirty to during sex. They LOVE sex, maybe more than men. Women are animals, like you and I. They are equals, not flowers or goddesses. Do you want to date an attractive woman with a history of sex, who craves…
/r/seduction28/01/18 09:47 PM
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I feel a little awkward and my best friend just got some awesome >weed, so I make an excuse to leave and say goodbye to >everybody. You left a club and party full of hot girls to smoke weed with dudes? Yikes, man. Would the bull elk leave his harem to go get high? You lingered way too long in the night, trying to be the court jester friend for the party, and the energy deflated in the room, and in you eventually. Learn to recognize energy peaks, and then to make your desires known in a fun, play…
/r/seduction28/01/18 09:19 PM
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Camping, reading, hiking, gym, wildlife photography. I truly enjoy all these things. But mostly I'm working or fucking these days.
/r/seduction28/01/18 09:12 PM
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It means she thinks you're a nice guy, and not a lover for her. If this becomes a pattern with girls, it means you have to get a little tougher (gym, confidence, banter, sass, etc).
/r/seduction28/01/18 09:10 PM
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Didn't mean to come off all defensive. In fact, I want to date her >as we're very close and like each other a good bit. I think I may >have sprung up that topic a bit prematurely and it may have >scared her a little, so I'm trying to lay off the "dating" topic for a while Bringing up exclusivity is a lose/lose. It's feminine behavior. You have to let a woman feel it organically, and then she'll ask you. This can take weeks, or months. It's part of being emotionally-centered, patient, and learnin…
/r/seduction28/01/18 09:00 PM
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You distinctly said that you've been "talking with her for months." This is usually what guys say when they haven't gone anywhere. Guys who have actually been there, would have said that they've >been involved with her or dating her or whatever. Not simply >"talking" with her. I'm going to agree with this. At first he says they're talking, and then he backtracks to "fucking". It reads like he's just in the friend-zone, and daydreaming. If he's been having sex with her, I doubt she'll be texting …
/r/seduction28/01/18 08:57 PM
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I've already posted the link in this thread, well before your comment. Here it is again since you were unable to (or didn't expend enough energy) to find it in the previous response: http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/Lift-More-Weights-Get-More-Mates-8069?RelNum=8069
/r/seduction28/01/18 08:30 PM
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Context does matter, I agree 100% and it's nice to see someone else using that word, haha. But a strong, independent woman isn't going to grovel regardless of age. So it's still a red flag.
/r/seduction28/01/18 08:28 PM
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A truly well-rounded man has both physical and inner game. there's no reason for a man not to take care of his body, and there's no reason not to continue to learn, evolve, and control emotions.
/r/seduction28/01/18 01:25 AM
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