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Question For WomenLuciansleep/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 10:50 PM
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DiscussionLuciansleep/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 11:00 PM
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Question For WomenLuciansleep/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 02:20 AM
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CMVLuciansleep/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:36 PM
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Luciansleep/r/ExRedPill02/07/22 04:43 AM
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Question For WomenLuciansleep/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 06:08 PM
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DebateLuciansleep/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:31 PM
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Luciansleep/r/ExRedPill29/09/22 01:36 PM
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Outer Game Luciansleep/r/seduction12/08/20 08:15 PM
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Question For WomenLuciansleep/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 04:37 AM
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Question For WomenLuciansleep/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 02:56 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 08:10 PM
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“Which goes back to my point why do they need to explain who they want to date?” I’m asking why is there discourse surrounding women not wanting to date bi men
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 08:00 PM
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That still doesn’t say “there is no reason” even if that’s how you want to take what I said so again find a quote of me saying there is no reason. I also gave a quote from your own source that lined up with my reason. So when I do read it you won’t acknowledge that the source you have lined up with what I said? Nice
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:32 PM
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I’d go further than that, the minute they make attraction ethical across the board (sometimes it isn’t of course) they will find that many people are unhappy in these relationships and/or feel settled for and then bitch about that. But that’s what happens when you add negative labels unjustly to people who just may not want to date you (Of course saying they don’t want to date someone bi because they are disgusting or start degrading them that’s when it gets bad but it’s because of the belief an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:41 PM
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They are different culturally. Once again don’t LGBT people face more issues than the average person? If someone who hasn’t isn’t it reasonable for some to not want to have to deal with that? And again they are functionally different one is straight and the other isn’t and this can factor in how society treats them or how some may see gender norms which some people prefer. This goes straight back to my body count analogy, if I didn’t sleep around is it wrong to want to date someone who didn’t as…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:19 PM
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You blew past my question, is a straight women wanting a straight man just consistency? Further does dating someone LGBT bring a unique set of cultural problems such as discrimination towards them? And if some aren’t these difficult to navigate? You simply blew past the things I’ve said and restated your original claim so please answer the questions
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:14 PM
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Agreed heavily. I don’t get this weird obsession with people that don’t want you and now calling them “homophobic” or “biphobic” Is that gonna automatically make these women want to fuck bi men? Probably not. Does that mean they hate them? Probably not. Some sure but others no
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:09 PM
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We are going in circles because you all have no evidence as this being the primary reason. You have hearsay as your main source which isn’t very good thing to go by. Neither of you proved “this is why these women refuse to date bi men” And further if someone who hasn’t slept around wants someone else who hasn’t slept around is that not fair, is that “disgust” or is it just consistency likewise with a straight woman wanting a straight man. Is that not just consistency?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:00 PM
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Well the underlying point of my analogy (which I explained) is that what someone says isn’t always right or indicative of an entire group not about struggles as you said you “heard many times straight women call it disgusting” And I have been insisting that there can be a reason but there can be many reasons and not just “bias and disgusting”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:43 PM
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Doesn’t matter if it’s by appearance. It can be a lifestyle issue which comes about after talking
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:31 PM
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I’m not doubting some women say that. But “almost always” isn’t convincing that that’s the main reason nor the only reason and inferring that because a few women have said that doesn’t follow. If I go based on a few women in this sub or online, because I’m short women should automatically right me off and I should struggle so bad in dating when that’s not the case. What some say isn’t reason enough to deduce that that’s the main reason for a lot of straight women not wanting to date bi men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:27 PM
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Again fat men are men. Do women who don’t want to date fat men not straight now? A woman from religion A doesn’t want to date a man from Religion B, does that not make her straight? If your logic is “bisexual men are men therefore the reason they don’t want to date them is disgust” you have to prove where the disgust comes from
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:25 PM
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So far I gathered the logic is “they don’t want to date them, yet they are straight so they should like all men, therefore it must be because of disgust of bi men and gay men thus making it homophobia” But that doesn’t follow as attraction is a lot more complex than “you are straight therefore you should like men as a whole” and ignores shared experiences, the fact that dating someone not straight invites you to deal with culture issues regarding someone who isn’t straight directly now, handling…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:23 PM
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There’s many reasons for attraction. A short man is a man but nonetheless some women won’t find him attractive and she may not find short men disgusting She simply may prefer hugs from someone taller, may just be pursued more by tall men and grew to like them more out of that association etc
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:16 PM
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And why does that reason necessarily mean “disgust” or homophobia? Sure there can be reasons but that doesn’t necessarily mean they come from a bad place
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:14 PM
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Them being white is less of how they look and more of experience with my life. I’m black so I’d like someone who understands the jokes within my own community. Why can’t a straight woman prefer someone who doesn’t deal with oppression of culture back lash due to them being bi? Dating someone who isn’t heterosexual obviously brings on different issues and more complex dealings. Which again can be a reason that’s other than “disgust”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:13 PM
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I mean I can link you to a post and you can read the comments of these people calling women who don’t want to date bi women insults but if it makes yiu better for the sake of the argument then let’s say they confront these women instead
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:10 PM
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Well because that was the question of my post here. You said many of these women say they are disgusted by them and I’m asking also what about the women who never said they are disgusted by bi men not whether or not they have to reply
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:09 PM
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It doesn’t work that way for everyone and if so this has to be proven. I don’t like to date white women. I’m not disgusted by them it’s just not my preference. I hang out with some white women for fun does this mean I’m disgusted by them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:57 PM
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Without a doubt some may see it that way but it certainly isn’t all. Which goes back to my point why do they need to explain who they want to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:52 PM
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Is it disgust or do they just not want to date them? Like anytime I see a straight woman say they don’t want to it’s followed by “but why? You have to explain why” as if they need a reason to prefer one group over the other
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:49 PM
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Regarding bi men being mad at straight women for not wanting to date bi men, why? I feel like it’s entitlement to be this upset cause someone doesn’t want to date a group and call it homophobia
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:34 PM
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That’s my issue. Like do you wanna be someone’s therapist day in day outv
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:49 PM
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Something can be correlated but still exist outside each other. Does pretty privilege exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:46 PM
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From the first source “the fact or custom of marrying someone from a higher** [social](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/social) [class](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/class) **or position than yourself” Or position is exactly what I’m talking about here. That’s less of class but you can be at a high position in a friend group or so. Second source: “marriage into an equal or higher caste or social group” Or social group. Again what I’m saying here. This wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:37 PM
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Can you explain “pay to compress everything else so you have time for dating”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:26 PM
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<image> I mean this seems to be the consistent definition of
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:18 PM
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You still never answered my original question to you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:13 PM
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<image> Also seems to be many definitions as this here says less about sex
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:11 PM
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Social media can clearly show women say these things and still date men. You’d have to prove that women do this. “For the most part” is doing a lot of work here an would still mean that to some capacity women do in fact say these things and date men. Women can just as much as men want sex or companionship and courting. No I never explicitly said this is sexual attraction. But let’s grant you that we are talking about that. We were talking about respect in regards to hypergamy. To which you said …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:11 PM
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I mean wouldn’t dating someone attractive or who has social influence in a group be elevating how people regard you? <image> If I go based on this the red pill are using it correctly but may be angrily bastardizing women for it when men could be just as guiltu
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:02 PM
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Finally you never really answered if someone can be attached to someone they don’t respect. Could you answer that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:59 PM
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Now if you said “these women still find value in these men” not necessarily respect I can kinda see that Someone can not like someone and not respect them but value that they try to win their approval. But that’s not respect that’s just valuing what they do for you which sounds like what you attribute to men but not necessarily women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:58 PM
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Well I can just flip this same thing and say “there’s many women who constantly say they hate men, hate broke men, hate men as a whole and wish to be lesbian” that would also mean that no these women don’t respect men but date them regardless as women do say this as well. There’s also women who only talk about dating men for money and having someone do something for them in the same right you are describing men who only date women for sex. Men can absolutely respect a woman’s personality and not…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:54 PM
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I never said that that’s true. Some people see it as true and decide to date that way though is what I’m saying. I agree people date who they are attracted too and comfortable With. That doesn’t negate what I’m saying. You are talking about the conclusion of dating someone they are attracted to and comfortable with in looking at why they consider them attractive and comfortable. Hypergamy can simply be a description of how some people choose a partner. I can be socially hypergamous and someone e…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:51 PM
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Non hypergamy can simply be dating someone who lacks all of what you have in all aspects. I’ve seen some try this with the thought process of “well that means they will do more to keep the relationship and keep loyal” And I don’t think “if everyone is hypergamous then no one is” follows. It can simply be the logic in how we choose partners. A descriptive term in how we go about choosing who we are into and what we value
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:41 PM
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So they want you to not get used for your resources yet say women will do so any way by the fact that they are women and it’s inherent to them biologically? Sounds like no matter what they will be used for their resources then
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:36 PM
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Many women will pay for half if they don’t see something coming about going on future dates with the guy. So some women simply do it as yes to make the guy not feel entitled and to end things there
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:34 PM
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Simply because women can risk through classes on their own doesn’t take away from the fact that some choose not to as it would be easier not to. Status is a very broad thing in general. Someone who has no friends wanting someone who has social influence within a group can definitely be a showcasing of dating someone for more status no? I’m not sure that more men have friends and a social circle is accurate considering women are way more social and lean on social groups more than men do. And I’m …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:32 PM
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It’s more acceptable but it’s still not very many women at all. I agree with the last statement
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:29 PM
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Assuming that to be true you think women are respecting bums who don’t have a car or place to stay? That they respect someone who constantly cheats on them or hits them? Or can someone be attached to someone they don’t respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:28 PM
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This is pretty coherent. So what does the red pill hope to achieve when talking about this like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:25 PM
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Sugar baby dating yeah that’s dumb but I do think it’s worth noting that we sometimes still follow dating norms from a time when women couldn’t own bank accounts. Me paying for dates or expensive gifts having to be the norm can be talked about in good faith is say
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:24 PM
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I get what you are saying but I don’t think they mean that either as they talk about how some women will date bums, cheaters, and even some abusers
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:22 PM
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Status isn’t cut and dry but I mean we still do have lower class, middle class, and the rich class You said it’s dating to elevate status, wouldn’t an introvert who is quiet with no friends wanting to date a man who is load with many friends opting to have more social value and friends by dating him? Wouldn’t that be social hypergamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:21 PM
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So wouldn’t that already mean that these hot women are already rich if they can even live in the same zip codes as these rich men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:18 PM
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Will if that’s the actual definition I don’t think it’s wrong to talk about and I think it’s also a reasonable thing to wish you could just marry someone who would provide for you. I don’t think that’s necessarily bad or stupid depending
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:14 PM
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What is the true definition of hypergamy? If it’s dating up doesn’t that mean that men who date up in looks also show hypergamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:08 PM
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For some maybe but for many they may be allies or against gender roles when it benefits them like a lot of men and women at times. Not to mention we are becoming one of the first generations of men who are becoming more aware of emotions and all. If you were raised around nothing but men who hid emotions and didn’t confide in men they may see the opposite as feminine and therefore gay which is a leap in logic but can happen
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:06 PM
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Eh made me tougher. Obviously in therapy but life has been happily quiet since I haven’t taken dating seriously since I’m still dealing with that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:03 PM
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Oh without a doubt it’s still worth it I just find it odd that some of these women consider themselves allies or are bisexual and still say homophobic things
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:00 PM
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My mom had died of cancer like 4 months before I shipped out for the army. I was with my ex for a year by that point and she was my rock during that time or so I thought. A week before I left for the army we were in her car and she got a call from a dude. A dude with the same name as her ex that she said was awful. I stayed quiet, got onto Facebook and looked up his name to find out that he’s 20 years older than my ex with a kid and found her in the comments still flirting with him and even some…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:58 PM
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I have all but the girlfriend. Last one held a gun to my head cause I caught her cheating so dealing with that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:52 PM
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Sup
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:51 PM
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Man I ask the same thing everyday. Hopefully tmr is better for you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:50 PM
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I find it funny years ago women were saying men need to be there for men more than relying on women to do that. In my generation men are and are now being called gay by some women over it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:49 PM
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Can trends be falsifiable?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:37 PM
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I agree with the last statement and I’m not sure where I said otherwise You said “do you also believe psychology and sociology are hard science? Come on you are decades late on your journey to intellectual maturity “ I’m asking you to expand on what you mean as no it’s not evident on what you mean by this
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:28 PM
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I didn’t say dating isn’t hard for men. It absolutely can be I just said the sources you used are terrible to show anything other than a YouTube video
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:25 PM
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Bruh this gotta be the weakest shit you done I wasn’t talking about you, you brought your bullshit here and then when I engage you go back to “you argued these points don’t line up so there’s no further discussion”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:25 PM
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If there’s no point in the convo why the fuck bother me with it here?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:23 PM
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Ok so you believe only hard science means something correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:57 PM
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<image> This is you saying you gave the videos as sources. So why are we claiming “no this is a point about stupid sources” Not once have you said that until I said they weren’t good sources
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:21 AM
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I’m curious, what would you say the post is about?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:20 AM
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<image> This is you showing that men are crazy for using YouTube videos as sources??? You saying they can basically be used as sources as you recognize it’s not a formal source?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:13 AM
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So your point was that it doesn’t prove desperation? Not that you were making fun of men who use YouTube videos as sources which I argued 1 person
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:12 AM
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A lot don’t realize that they are getting like student papers that are sometimes their first research paper
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:02 AM
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So we didn’t debate like I said? Gotcha
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:58 AM
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They didn’t call me out they just said why didn’t I say it other times and do you think you are the only one I “debated” today? For someone who preaches that “not everything is about you” and “entitlement” you sure do think you made a large impression. I had maybe 5 exchanges with you today.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:57 AM
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That and some are straight up mentally ill I feel
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:54 AM
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That’s pretty smart. Many of these debates end pretty quickly when you separate what’s their personal belief and what’s true
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:52 AM
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Yeah this is insane lol. I didn’t even bring this up cause of her lol. She didn’t even debate me just got upset that I said this isn’t a study and shouldn’t be treated like one
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:50 AM
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I’m not even complaining about your post dude relax
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:42 AM
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This isn’t about that lol. I can care less.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:41 AM
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Oh damn. Well you always seem level headed and all
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:39 AM
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Wait aren’t you a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:38 AM
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Because I have only recently been back on this sub for a week. I have already argued red pill men that women do not want to be lied to because they don’t like crude honesty I have argued that fresh and fit and many of the podcast losers are why people don’t like the red pill despite them saying “they aren’t red pill” I argued that women don’t like assholes but end up with assholes as some traits of confidence and assholeness can look similar You haven’t asked why I debated those men yet here you…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:20 AM
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You did not make this a counter argument “Not an experiment but it could be used like one” no it cannot and that doesn’t show you were trying to show that it’s dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:15 AM
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. You are doing the same thing they are doing and using videos as a source. So I said what I said about yours just as much as I will argue there’s. Pinky promise. No bad faith
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:06 AM
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Damn. I envy your life on a remote mountain top that’s my dream retirement. Bracelets look nice
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:04 AM
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I try to. What do you get out of this sub personally?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:00 AM
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What got you into bracelet making? I love cooking and bonsai work personally
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:59 AM
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I came to practice debate skills, reasoning, and at first psychology shit but most of the time I’m just being screamed at for asking proof of a conclusion they made from a premise that doesn’t support it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:58 AM
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Hot take, this sub is honestly just “he said” “she said” and “well men this” and “women this” and whattaboutism and straight fallacies and no proof arguments It’s people screaming at each other because they faced dating issues befote
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:53 AM
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And they are just as bad for doing it. Are we gonna whattaboutism my point to death or gonna recognize it’s not the best thing to do regardless of who does it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:50 AM
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Not arguing otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:23 AM
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I’d say for me vibrator use didn’t show that. Some women knew the vibrator felt good and that’s it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:29 PM
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I reduced it to a list because that’s what looksmaxxing is going for. If you can acknowledge that some women like that you have to prove this is them trying to appeal to men so again how do you prove that? I don’t want a universal answer for women. I know some women like fat short dudes ( dude I’m short and love my dating life) I’m asking you to prove that looksmaxxing prove that men are appealing to other men as you claim. I’m a psychology major. Yes I’m asking you to explain the difference bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:44 PM
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Is abuse the fault of the abused?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:28 PM
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It doesn’t surprise me. I’m asking how does your advice work if women are all different. You claim was men don’t listen to women and now it’s me don’t listen to individual women. So again I ask. What is it that looksmaxxing doesn’t incorporate that women like? Do women not like fit men? Women with jawlines and nice hair?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:25 PM
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To which I never claimed that she’s wrong. I argued her methods. She said liking 2 million women isn’t desperate? You think that’s true?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:20 PM
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What do women say they are attracted to then? Ok so now we have to ask individual women instead of women as a whole? Won’t that mean that they all have different standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:13 PM
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Ok so they gave them to her, how does that change that this doesn’t prove much. You assume I wouldn’t say the same to men but absolutely would. Now she posted it and now I’m saying what I would’ve said so what changed about my argument here?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:12 PM
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Some may be entitled doesn’t mean all are is my point. I can argue that some women treat men like shit and that’s not entitlement
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:11 PM
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Some may be entitlement others not so much. It’s still valid to bring some issues regarding sex and dating. Not all should be written off because of the fact most people want to have higher value when dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:04 PM
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No one gave you these. You looked them up yourself. Saying “if it’s stupid take it up with them” is pretty lazy when you wrote almost an entire dissertation on YouTube videos and when pushed back you say “hey this isn’t my fault” Ironically the same issue you have with men and pushing responsibility on to other people
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:02 PM
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They obviously aren’t. Looksmaxxing (which you used an example of earlier) is on the rise when men used to not care much about looks. Men have started to be more active fathers etc. hell Me too changed the whole landscape of random dudes just approaching. So at this point give us an exact detail list on what men should do
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:01 PM
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No one said otherwise. Many people are angry with dating because they feel they should be valued more. What exactly does this prove? That men shouldn’t complain? That dating issues are false for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:59 PM
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Well I’m not making a claim. I’m arguing here with your findings as all are based on YouTube videos
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:58 PM
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No shot that they think that cause I’m short but fit that I wouldn’t want someone with the same lifestyle. You are probably right I just find that odd
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:57 PM
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This cannot be used “like a study” as there’s formal things set in place for actual studies. We are seeing a couple people and you are basing an entire group of people off of a few people here So what does desperation mean here? You went to say that he liked 2 million women but then called him not desperate because he didn’t appeal to most women? How does one do that when we know women can like and dislike things for various reasons? So you are saying he isn’t desperate because he still wants so…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:55 PM
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Which is why I said he’s partly to blame but not majorly. Again who is gonna ensure your needs are being met and that you get what you are looking for outside of yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:42 PM
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It is to be brought up. How would he know that she would see it as wasting time if she never explicitly said this is what she’s looking for and only wants?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:32 PM
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I’d say discussing what she did wrong is honest and if she continues to do so then yeah break up
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:29 PM
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Except this isn’t like cheating. If something is important to you in a relationship whose responsibility is it to discuss that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:22 PM
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Communicate that she did something wrong but as for saying you are delaying the marriage for it can just make people see it as manipulation
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:19 PM
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Yup
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:46 PM
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It’s not that it’s important it’s than men enjoy male leagues more. Women can easily support other female sports leagues. Why are you expecting men to donate their money to them and not women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:19 PM
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Women absolutely punch men and break something. Thats not what Lilith said. You are changing her words to prove something. She and you said that men make self regulation others problem. Women saying that and hitting men ( we know it’s just taken less seriously than vice versa) is absolutely still putting self regulation onto others. Don’t change what people say to fit what you want it to mean
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:17 PM
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Ok sure prove that. Because I can easily say Caitlin Clark is more respected by men and caused a surge in viewers from men yet the women of the sport treated her horribly. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:15 PM
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So then what other metric do we need to use for you to say many care then?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:15 PM
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Do female soccer players get a lot of views and money?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:53 PM
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I will say I do think this is majorly your friends fault and some fault on the guy. If a committed relationship is that important to her the responsibility to filter for that is on her not that guy. The guy could’ve communicated but has no incentive to if he isn’t interested into something long term like she is
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:38 PM
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No hate but I’m a very fit guy and make it known that I’m looking for someone who relatively is fit. So I don’t understand why I get likes from bigger women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:32 PM
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How is it male privilege?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:31 PM
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What conclusion are you getting from this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:30 PM
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Depends on the situation. If I wanted to marry her but she’s doing actions I don’t agree with I’d step back to think if I want to marry her
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:29 PM
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Depends. If I was thinking of marrying her and she kept doing sh it I hated yeah I’d delay the marriage because I’ll start to question being with her
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:22 PM
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Not so much. I’ve seen women often say things like “I need a man that can handle me” or when wrong get upset. This is a human thing you just notice it more with men because that’s who you mainly deal with
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:35 PM
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Not so much. I’ve seen women often say things like “I need a man that can handle me” or when wrong get upset. This is a human thing you just notice it more with men because that’s who you mainly deal with
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:35 PM
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They aren’t. But the ones who got physical are
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:34 PM
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Which is true. I don’t really subscribe to that way of thinking. It’s also based in that men don’t show much emotion which gives an illusion of being more rational until we explode. This is all outside of the flush of hormones women get
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:16 PM
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You are also basing this from a loud minority of men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:10 PM
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Maybe saying women show emotions more is more accurate as they face less ridicule for doing so
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:09 PM
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Hard time expressing emotions can still be expressed with expressing emotions via physical means
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:03 PM
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Using a vibrator to get off doesn’t mean they have a better understanding of their sexuality Unless you have proof of that that’s like saying porn is indicative of what a man wants with a real life person
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:55 PM
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Self report. I also think you think I’m somehow in favor of the article rather than responding to someone who used said article which is why I said “this shows that women doing more is their choice “ which was in the results page of the source
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:17 AM
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I am he. I’m asking when did I say it was bad
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:18 AM
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When did I say it was bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:05 AM
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“Like it’s horrible to send women down into the choice of mines and mine some choices”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:03 AM
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When did I say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:52 AM
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Does that or does that not mean that’s the woman’s choice? You’d also have to prove that. Just like you can’t automatically assume a man being a macho man is to soothe the woman’s ego
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:54 PM
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I’m not sure I was pointing out someone else’s study. I’m not sure if that’s a fallacy if they are testing for the reason behind it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:29 PM
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Why can’t these men have a “genetic legacy” because of daycare??
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:38 PM
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Why is one person spending on the kid? Trans to work is on them though. Like you can’t even pay for gas?? Sounds like they can’t have a kid if they can’t pay for gas
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:31 PM
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Both parents when able?????
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:18 PM
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You are making a lot of assumptions lol quote where I said any of this especially me struggling with women. So you expect me to not get a partner that works just because she can have children? Plenty of women go back to work after having kifs
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:17 PM
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When have I ever said that’s the most important job for a woman? When did I say the woman can’t pay for things outside the home and family?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:10 PM
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https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTAderx9P/
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:11 PM
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It’s findings from another study within the post. Which again is what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:05 PM
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Additionally, research carried out in Australia and the US showed that although women decreased their housework as their earnings increased, this was only true up to a certain extent. Once women started to out-earn their partners, researchers found that couples often reverted to more traditional gender roles, with women picking up a disproportionate share of housework. “Feeling like we are violating society’s expectations about what it means to be a woman or man can be very uncomfortable,” says …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:03 PM
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Additionally, research carried out in Australia and the US showed that although women decreased their housework as their earnings increased, this was only true up to a certain extent. Once women started to out-earn their partners, researchers found that couples often reverted to more traditional gender roles, with women picking up a disproportionate share of housework. “Feeling like we are violating society’s expectations about what it means to be a woman or man can be very uncomfortable,” says …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:01 PM
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Now men are arrogant for doing what you said should happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:52 PM
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Also in the eyes of the law prenups exist. And also I will which is why I said if I dated a woman who makes less as I normally don’t date women who make significantly less
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:51 PM
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A professor who was over the study conducted yes
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:50 PM
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Asking for a quote not explanation
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:49 PM
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Definitely. Hell recently a dude over voice mail said “I’m not doing a second date at your house unless we have sex” and they considered that coercion even if there’s nothing being threatened here. Is it tactful? No. Is it coercion less so
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:49 PM
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Yes which I’m asking you to prove
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:48 PM
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So a man can come home and ask “why haven’t you done this? You should’ve done it right away”?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:48 PM
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Again and if I feel that’s not morally correct than good thing my stance doesn’t change
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:47 PM
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So again find a quote that shows this isn’t showings from the results but rather an opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:45 PM
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May could simply be a term to not imply all women
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:45 PM
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Cool so that means a pregnant woman who’s home more should handle 90% of the things since she’s home right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:44 PM
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In the eyes of the law I can be 78 and marry and impregnate a 18 year old woman. Just because the law sees it one way doesn’t mean it makes it morally correct and also in the eyes of the law I’m able to see marriage how I see fit
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:43 PM
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It’s not a straw man. You assumed men aren’t listening to women and that women don’t go for the male gaze and she’s saying some women may be into that and others not so much
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:28 PM
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Even the women you are actively pursuing can say one thing and be into another
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:27 PM
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And you are talking about one example that’s easy to highlight. Some women want men to approach them when they are out other women don’t. That highlights what I’m saying
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:23 PM
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“says Raina Brands, an associate professor at the UCL School of Management, whose research focuses on gender stereotypes.” That was the one over the research. It wasn’t stated as opinion and if it was please quote it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:21 PM
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Ok and depending on the mess why not just wait? If both people just got off work I’d assume that action can be done later
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:19 PM
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Yes. Socially aware for some women can mean “he has to apply pressure” “he’s gotta be man enough and be direct” “he can’t be too direct as that takes the fun out” Many people look for different things and call it being socially aware with dating
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:18 PM
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No but Me Too brought on specific cases where weird or socially awkward moments were misconstrued as coercion or forcing sex
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:16 PM
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Not intrinsically. Some keep finances separate and if I marry a woman that makes less if want me to potentially be separate
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:15 PM
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That’s a very specific claim and not always the case. Plus socially aware can be different depending on the woman so that’s still a tall ask to just he “socially aware”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:10 PM
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I do. You’d have to show how women only like female gaze men and explain what you consider the male gaze. Imma tell you now if it’s being lean and relatively fit I don’t think they struggle with women so again I ask have women not been telling incels to work on how they look? Secondly what is considered male gaze then?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:04 PM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:31 PM
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What exactly aren’t these men listening to? You said looksmaxxing isn’t good but have women not been saying men need to work on their appearance? Especially for incels? Hormones do influence things but how exactly are men not listening to women on this? Do you expect men to change women’s hormones? If women are dating assholes, then obviously character or kindness isn’t what women go so again why the hate against looksmaxxing?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:30 PM
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I’ve seen some still say he’s not doing much even if he cooks
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:21 PM
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In even those situations I have seen some complain about the guy doing less so idk
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:20 PM
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I wouldn’t say that. For example my brother likes classical art and Victorian furniture. He pays the rent for the apartment but his girlfriend hates it and wants modern furniture and art and he just basically gives up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:08 PM
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That’s what I and many other men have said. “The girl I’m with is much more particular about the cleaning and decor” which I wonder if it contributes to the whole men don’t do anything domestic talk
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:05 PM
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Maybe these people aren’t paying attention. I’ve seen countless men during men’s mental health month talk about Mae suicide
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:03 PM
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I think many men are. Even with suicide prevention month many men talked about the male rates of suicide
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:03 PM
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Are you talking about me? Plus this still means many people aren’t in the scenario of making that much and throwing kids into day care
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:58 AM
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Q4Men about household labor: How often do you feel that your decisions on decor doesn’t matter scale 1-10 How often do you get told you are doing something very particular when cleaning wrong but the item still gets cleaned nonetheless 1-10 How often do you spend on decor you didn’t want but did just to appease the other partner 1-10 How often do you feel like your contributions if/when you do so to cleaning doesn’t matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:21 AM
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So two things Why don’t the women just stop doing it? Self reports true to have Weird reporting. Not saying it’s inaccurate but some people can inflate their contributions and it has to be taken at face value
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:15 AM
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Is it there money that they are spending or is it the man’s? Because I’ve seen some say that since the woman is doing the groceries she’s paying yet for all we know it can be the dudes card or bank account
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:10 AM
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“Women may feel compelled to compensate for violating traditional gender roles as a breadwinner by redoubling their contributions at home,” she continues. “But what couples should keep in mind is that feelings of discomfort can lead to some very irrational household decisions, such as women opting to earn less or leaving paid work entirely (which takes away from the financial security of the household), or taking on more than their fair share of household work (which leads to unhappiness).” By y…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:08 AM
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That means 75% of the whole country earns less
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:02 AM
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Yeah no sorry about that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:53 PM
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Oof that is all on me responded to the wrong person disregard
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:45 PM
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So you think the average women is sleeping with a gun under her pillow?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:41 PM
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Sure how many people are making 100K?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:39 PM
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Are you talking about abuse or normal parenting here?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:37 PM
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Who says this? One household parents and isn’t exactly rare so who is saying this?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:35 PM
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/13/how-much-americans-plan-to-spend-on-valentines-day.html Men on average spend way more on Valentine’s Day as well
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:17 AM
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I never said women didn’t own homes it’s an analogy. “While a nearly equal share of men and women say a man needs to be able to provide for his family to be a good husband or partner (72% and 71%, respectively), men are less likely than women to say the same about women. Just a quarter of men say this is very important for a woman to be a good wife or partner, compared with 39% of women.” https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/09/20/americans-see-men-as-the-financial-providers-even-as-wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:10 AM
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Your self support doesn’t mean they don’t use their partners money. It just simply means they earn money. And considering 49% of women see it as an insult or that they aren’t liked if a man asks to split the bill on the first date shows that just because they make their own money that they won’t use their partners money It’s like me saying “a lot of men own homes so that must mean they are now doing more than their fair share of domestic labor
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:01 AM
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Aren’t you the same person that said “men seem to think only their experience matters”? How do you prove “most women don’t do this” then especially if it’s men telling their experience which you said matters for when women do it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:39 AM
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What does “it happens in real life but also does not happen” even mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:35 AM
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You can make it said but what does it achieve if everyone already knows dating comes with that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:34 AM
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We all know that. Hell men even get into relationships knowing they may not be well treated. Thats a human thing regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:31 AM
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He didn’t make a claim otherwise. Realistically if you feel that men don’t care I’m not really sure on why even make an argument for it. It’s not like they will suddenly care cause of a think piece
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:19 AM
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If women were that intuitive they wouldn’t fall prey to DV as they do This is seems human rather than gender based. I’ve seen women it interact or even notice ugly men. Obviously the more attractive someone is the more receptive people will be to talking to them Women automatically sometimes write men off as fuck bois if they are attractive and confident enough If women could notice that someone only sees them as a dating prospect women wouldn’t come to write or talk about how a man used them fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:11 AM
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“Graeme Smith, managing director of AlixPartners – which helped with the research, added: "This latest data highlights just how severely the night-time industry has been impacted by both the pandemic, changing consumer behaviour and increasing competition in the late night market.” Even in your quote it says people are going elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:55 PM
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I did read it. You argued nightclubs aren’t going down and it is
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:47 PM
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I can agree with you on this and concede I think many used the label to make money off men and rage bait on women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:21 AM
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You are ironically doing the very thing that feminist do and no true Scotsman. They had the largest fan base, touted the red pill name, went unchecked by the red pill themselves for the longest time etc. You’d have to describe your definition of red pill as well as there seems to be many based on who’s talking
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:10 AM
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Two things can be true at once. I also wouldn’t necessarily say “without judgement” when the main prominent leaders or spokes people made podcasts to bring women on and shit on them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:49 AM
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Oh shit sorry didn’t mean to post this here but without a doubt it’s true
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:48 AM
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I honestly think this subreddit is a big echo chamber of blaming the other gender for their own issues and problems with dating
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:42 AM
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Well because the discussion was on men was it not? Tell me if the discussion was about men and men are the ones saying they are having troubles dating, why is it relevant to mention women? I didn’t say “men need to be more blue collar than women) just educated. I clarified that I meant any education. Some women look for degrees some women just want a man to have any schooling so he can actually make decent money and help with bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:40 AM
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I think many thought the red pill would be way more influential than the black pill is. So many people did damage control for red pill ideology and not so much black pill ideology which let it spread more
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:36 AM
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Never said there isn’t obese women in the US. How does that statement go against me saying there’s a lot of overweight men in the country? There’s still a large need for men. Men’s job isn’t majority trades/ blue collar. So I’ll grant you this, getting ANY education is what they should be doing
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:25 AM
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The later things yes a lot of women do. Statically men do those things less often and statistically men play rugby more. You literally stated you met men through rugby
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:45 AM
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I never claimed you only dated chads. The men that dated you found you in a sport that doesn’t often have women in it which is rugby
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:12 AM
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Depends on the woman. Another thing like that I hate smoking but depends on the woman. I had one ex who would smoke after sex and idk shit had me head over heels watching it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:58 PM
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Sorry you are AFAB that still sometimes has bias that men don’t face like again you’ll still be viewed less of a threat and still not with the expectation of making things happen
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:54 PM
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For one you are looking for something primarily different and you are a woman. Societal standards on dating for men is a lot different considering we are seen as threatening and we have to be the one to approach and initiate
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:50 PM
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You are asexual
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:38 PM
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I didn’t make the claim I’m asking you on why you said that “women know it’s not true “ in regards to sex being easy for them
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:08 PM
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That’s not really good reasoning. I can very easily say that YOU had issues getting sex and that’s not the case for all women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:01 PM
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Why do you feel that sex isn’t easy to get as women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:57 PM
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Idk but for me some women just look hot mad 🤷🏾
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:57 PM
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Idk I just think she’s not that into him as a man who has had female friends that I didn’t none of this too and they still asked me out
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:54 PM
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Oh I agree sorry I thought you were arguing against me
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:16 PM
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No you didn’t just say bodies changed you made a statement that says the other person doesn’t understand bodies change Ok great so we now know you meant something else and you waisted time instead of just saying that. You can like someone and still value taking care of oneself. Would it be fair to say that a woman who divorces a man who got laid off but refuses to get another job never liked that man?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:11 PM
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It’s not obvious. You said he doesn’t understand bodies change. Either it’s a play saying his ignorant of how bodies work ( which is ironic as he’s arguing that the woman should work out to change her body so he inherently knows bodies change) or you just said shit to be saying shit
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:06 PM
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Then why are you comfortable saying “the woman is better off without a partner who doesn’t understand that bodies change” Actually elaborate. You don’t have enough information yet you made a strong claim
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:02 PM
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You know what the context is as he said “without real effort progress to reverse that” That’s more than simply “bodies change” yes they change but why should someone not try to stay in shape?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:59 PM
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Bodies can change but does that mean someone shouldn’t work on their health and appearance ?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:57 PM
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Who said that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:56 PM
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https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/big-drop-number-nightclubs-study-230100364.html
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:52 PM
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Idk never argued otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:50 PM
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So the why would they need the approval of others they already have access to? Sounds like they are there to find out how to get access to women rather than men. Could some validation from men be good? Yeah but you’d have to prove that that’s the entire reason they are there to learn how to get women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:04 PM
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They can love you but what if they get a family? Now you have less time with someone that now has to prioritize others and you’ll still be alone majority of the time. Romantic love and friendship love fulfill to different needs that can overlap but aren’t the samw
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:33 PM
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It can be the premise of this thread but it doesn’t mean I’m arguing on what this thread alone says
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:14 PM
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I did. Why are we using movies as sources now??? Again a movie doesn’t prove “men would rather look like a family man than be a family man” If men spend more time with men then why would we need women and families to prove ourselves? Do some men do so I don’t doubt but you never answered “so you think getting women is solely for status and not having sex, having a companion, and having a family”?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:12 PM
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So you think getting women is solely for status and not sex, having a companion, having a family or whatever? And if the goal was the appreciation of men wouldn’t you think they’d spend more time with men than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:07 PM
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When did I say that or was that the claim I was attackibg
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:06 PM
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You still have to put energy and time into finding partners that you’d like so I’m not sure where this “just live your life” approach came from Sure being happy and confident makes you attractive but they may not necessarily make you more confident with meeting new people and flirting Like anything else, dating is trial and error and a skill
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:00 PM
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Ok singles events and clubs have had staggering low rates of people going to them. Dating apps are known to suck and there was a post about that yesterday. So please exolain why going out to find a partner to these groups is so bad and what place can a man realistically do so
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:57 PM
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If by the red pill men are readily and willing to change their whole likes, hobbies, morals and ethics to get women how does this go back to being for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:49 PM
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There’s no way you think only men want sex, connection and a family
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:48 PM
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Are you really asserting that men don’t get fucked over in dating and that’s why women get to have high or ridiculous standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:46 AM
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Didn’t say you wanted them I said that’s probably what you are dealing with
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:17 PM
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I wouldn’t say you are lying I’d say you probably focus on the women you don’t want IE fat women that’s in your likes, women who piss you off morally and ethically, women who don’t align with your ideals, or you aren’t seeing dating as a numbers game If you do these things you can get a woman that you want and choose which is a better fit for you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:39 PM
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At least in the US no. Over half of the men in this country is overweight alone aren’t college educated don’t know how to take a picture to save their life and can’t run even a basic mile
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:36 PM
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If someone says “this isn’t worth it” why is your instinct to convince them otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:08 PM
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Obnoxious yes but just a normal part of anything in life. Hell even outside of dating you have to determine if a source is factual or just blowing smoke with news
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:05 PM
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Effort can mean a lot of things for example dressing better, working out, therapy and meeting new people and treating it like a number game Or It can be something that doesn’t help like building better character or some shit It all depends on the persons definition
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:03 PM
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Stats show it doesn’t even work well for women as may women leave due to harassment. There’s definitely some gender dynamics that come into play with this such as me are still expected to make the first move so distrust and everyone being online does make it harder for me than women in the initial aspects We basically have commodified dating so the man is ho is the most remembered will do well which coincidently is the one who will probably not be serious about dating and women which hurts the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:54 PM
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If anything stats show women being less into casual and more into actual relationships so I’m not sure what stat he’s talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:50 PM
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I have seen the blame get improperly placed on women but I do think in this day and age with how expensive things are it is hard just to get up and do anything else to meet women. There’s a lack of third places, a general mistrust between genders right now, people working hard as hell for bare minimum living so over time it’s easiest to boot up an app than it it’s to find the random third place to meet women that’s not filled with the elderly or women who are already married. That’s not women’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:46 PM
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Honestly that I agree with
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:42 PM
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After they understand that what’s to happen afterwards? Like they understand now what’s the end goal?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:41 PM
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She’s half right. Dudes more and more are probably not wanting to put forth effort (which is there right I mean) but she’s arguing to a group of men who more than likely already checked out about why they should do more
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:40 PM
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I get pretty good dates from both
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:39 PM
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I’d understand if they stated that and didn’t go on dates with me but they do even after I tell them Im military I wouldn’t necessarily say prey on it. For that to be the case most we would have to establish how and if its different from other jobs with benefits
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:46 PM
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You’re just gonna say you don’t so imma do this, have a good one
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:24 PM
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Also just read you second point, if that has something to do with society than all my examples stand because again it has to do with dating in the current society just as much as men valuing pussy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:17 PM
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All these are singular people, you don’t use singular people to hate you talk about men as a whole everyday here
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:16 PM
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Explain how it isn’t calling men gay if they don’t wanna deal with certain behaviors then
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:42 PM
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Did I claim she said that? Or did I draw a correlation that saying “we shouldn’t need to say another form of this to get our point across” is bad and that it doesn’t solve for what you are tying to get?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:38 PM
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Because again how does that convey the point she said it conveys? It’s just calling men gay and letting women and men it talk about some behaviors that should be talked about which ironically again is deflection the point of your post
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:34 PM
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This does nothing to do with the claim that one is seen as more ok due to gender
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:57 PM
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You made a personal claim and I responded with personal shit that happened. So argue what’s actually said
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:56 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:55 PM
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I was responding to the claim “Why is criticizing men considered accountability, Because they're the main ones here acting like victims when men are criticized on anything.” So my comment still standa
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:55 PM
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Well considering my own ex was chocking me in a McDonald’s parking lot sure yeah I only see content of that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:54 PM
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Never said it was common in my circles but you definitely can come across women who say this. Thats like me saying “you must have nothing but red pill men in your circle” if you heard these terms. Not necessarily
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:46 PM
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Not my personal income. Friends I’ve had yes. I have been called a man child for not really agreeing with paying for dates that the woman wants and planned. Or being a man child for walking off from a woman yelling in my face
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:42 PM
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The belief that since men are inherently dangerous, emotionally dumb, can’t do equal chores and only want sex use men for money and labor. However this backfires when you believe all men are like this cause you end up dating men like this and unhappy about their treatment so it’s a never ending loop of them complaining about the men they date Very similar to red pill men saying all women are whores that wanna use them for money and status so use women yet get hurt and pissy when they date women …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:41 PM
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Because that’s what her post is about yet she just did it in her very post
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:38 PM
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It would be more accurate but still accurate is meh are definitely not allowed to yell and get physical with partners no matter the circumstances. That still means the man has to practice better emotional regulation as the consequence for us not doing so is an altercation and jail time
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:34 PM
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Many people of pink pill beliefs
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:29 PM
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We still to this day see men being blamed for misery and how they have been treated so again even by that metric that doesn’t hold up. Most online dating discourse is about someone blaming another gender for the actions of a few Lastly, people in general are dating less
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:28 PM
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Yet she does the same deflection not only in her post but her replies as well Frustration doesn’t mean this person is right and that’s what people are arguing about and what’s considered deflection and what’s not
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:26 PM
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Many men are especially on social media and for not paying for a woman’s tab. Also you’d have to prove that said man didn’t actually make an attempt
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:22 PM
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Sure but again who is arguing this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:21 PM
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What I mean by this is how often we see women getting mad at a male partner and start yelling and even hitting him in public and many would walk or even laugh but the same cannot be said for the opposite. Even if the woman was the aggressor some people still have the opinion that the only thing the man should do is run instead of retaliate
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:21 PM
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Sure but is that what’s being argued here?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:17 PM
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I’m not sure where I agreed or even disagreed with that claim in my claim here
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:02 PM
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That also doesn’t mean women listened to criticism it just means the aren’t dating currently
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:42 PM
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Oh you said women have opted out. Quote where I’m complaining about dating and lack of dating please? Women and men are both not dating. So again how does this prove your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:41 PM
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What does this have to do with what I just said? Men opting out of dating doesn’t prove that men haven’t taken criticism either. Just means they left they dating pool
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:36 PM
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Ok and so now I’m asking how is it that men who are rich assholes or men who aren’t even rich just assholes getting women if you claim is thay all a man needs is character?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:34 PM
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Then explain what character means. Simply saying “you don’t understand, you don’t know the meaning, you don’t get it” is not showing what you are trying to explain
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:32 PM
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Damn I couldn’t agree more
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:26 PM
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There’s still tons of women (one of which is in this very thread) complaining about how men don’t do this and that and are largely abusive. Abuse rates haven’t changed and nor have women leaving abusive situations in the last 5 year
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:24 PM
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Doesn’t have to do anything with what I said. That’s me using her claim against her
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:20 PM
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Ironically this is the very deflection you argue against in your post again
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:13 PM
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Depends on the criticism. Being called a man child or whatever for not making 6 figures is them being a victim of male standards currently and is valid to talk about
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:13 PM
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Ok then in dating how did women take criticism and level up in dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:10 PM
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What criticism did they take and level up with? Because even now women blame dating and normal life on men and the patriarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:09 PM
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Lastly why do I need to “deserve” women’s attention? Why not just find the woma that likes me because no one deserves anything or earns love in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:04 PM
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I did elaborate And don’t you think women can effectively communicate that better than “fuck men if you don’t like current situations”? How does that convey “you don’t deserve effort and and attention? And can you explain how that’s not a deflection?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:02 PM
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So now you are going back and forth on “you get it or you don’t” and “you do develop it through life” Secondly yes you develop it later but that still has not significant baring on dating
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:54 PM
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Ok so beauty standards aren’t societal and affect dating? “Women don’t value dick like men value pussy” isn’t about dating and sex now?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:53 PM
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That’s my issue too. I never asked and the alternative would be no medicine for my mom and poverty
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:52 PM
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Well all of her examples were in a dating and sex context. Poor people dating each other doesn’t explain why the number one reason on why people divorce other than infidelity or financial reasons. Secondly that doesn’t get rid of the expectation that men have to pay and still make a lot of money. Society can still see men as less than for not doing so. Emotional regulation is something all adults should do but let’s not pretend people expect men to be more calm than women due to our strength
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:49 PM
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I did You say outside of dating yet all of your example are about dating and sex “ Bitching about women doesn't make the criticism against a man or a group of men any less valid. It's just a way to feel like a victim and pretend it's unfair judgement. "But women dont have to do all the things you expect men to do get dates!" Women dont value dick like men value pussy. Remember, Grindr's available if women are such awful people in your eyes. I remember telling men here multiple times to raise the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:45 PM
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Hey man I have no issues in dating. Also “they either are or aren’t” goes against your whole “if they are 25 and complaining they will never get it” and your whole hinge on character which character is often developed either by parenting or by life itself
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:42 PM
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Paying for dates, initiating, approaching, more emotional regulation due to the damage men cause, making really good money despite a recession or not, dating being tied to how much you make etc When did I say anything about women acting like men. Did I say that because you are deflecting the same way or because I want women to act like men? Ironically you just deflected
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:39 PM
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Sure but if we go off the logic of the original post and how we should respond I’m doing exactly correct. And notice dating is inherently personal you ca still select for men who don’t do these things that job is on you and me in our own personal life
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:37 PM
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Ok so now character means having a back bone and being yourself yet that still isn’t the end all be all in dating. I can go around and say “I’m always myself” and still do horrible in dating as there’s other things that play into attraction I never said men didn’t but notice how I men have to do so a bit more. Which goes to show that double standards do exist. And notice how “women who naturally respect you aren’t angry” is a bold claim. Someone can respect you yet have shitty emotional control.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:35 PM
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Sounds like an issue of who you date tbh which ironically you are doing the same complaining that’s in the main post
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:28 PM
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you can have character and that not be the end all be all in dating. That’s how nice guys became nice guys in the first place Well for one there’s always the expectation of making really good money and paying for dates in a damn near recession, initiation, planning the date, You have the fact that men are supposed to be more in control of their anger on top of it all while being criticized for holding emotions in
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:26 PM
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You can grow as a person and have honest opinions on the many double standards that exist in society. I don’t see how one cancels the other. If I don’t like the fact that women are expected to by homemakers that doesn’t mean I still can’t improve my own life Or that I hate paying for dates doesn’t mean I don’t have a high paying job and go to therapy to increase my emotional regulation and emotional intelligence
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:18 PM
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Thanks and trust this isn’t another “women are awful thing” as I just wish them the best and keep it pushing just wanted to vent
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:11 PM
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I do well enough on dating apps and don’t deal with shit tests as why would I deal with someone disrespectful?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:10 PM
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Two things can be true at the same time That’s true that some use it as a deflection as that’s not really an answer to anything There are many standards that aren’t held to women on a societal standard as it is men Also another points, just because some men have grievances with the other gender “well go on grindr” is the same deflection. Some of those grievances are worth looking at and dissecting as a culture. Stop using “go be gay” as an insult/ deflection
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:09 PM
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Exactly. I explain that and basically get told I should’ve just stayed in poverty yet the main reason these women are into me is because I’m educated and fit in the first place as well as well of money wise If they feel that strongly they don’t have to date men I don’t get the point in doing so if they obviously hate it that much
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:48 AM
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I hate how some women respond to me being in the military They will see that I’m fit confident and even hear me say I’m in the military yet seek me out only to the later day some dumb shit like “you should never fight for this country” Brother I’m from a poor area and had to help pay for my moms cancer treatments and im getting my masters in psychology currently yet I will still get told “you should’ve done something else”. Ok then why even match with me to to try to go on dates if you see me sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:12 AM
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Depends on how those words are used when talking about that in my opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:08 AM
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Can you explain the “but then it’s bad part” I’m not sure what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:07 AM
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Idk in my personal life I and many men don’t ask women for advice not because they are women but because it just doesn’t happen often Also im more likely to confide in my male friends as I have a better connection to them friendship wise
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:05 AM
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It’s not derailing if the guy you literally responded to said the same damn thing dude
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:00 AM
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You may not know everything but you’ll know a good amount to know if you want to be with them or not
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:27 AM
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Sure some can never have a high libido, and sure some can not have had a wild guy. Some women are simply also jus bored with said dude too and want someone who is more exciting I’m not saying 1 size fits all for sure here
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:08 AM
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I’m not sure if that’s true but do some women come to find their current partner boring if she’s used to wild dudes sometimes yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:02 AM
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Wait before I say what is btdt?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:59 AM
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Because it’s not “clues” it’s saying if you pretend or are non judgmental to them they will often talk about it and from there you can leave or not
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:34 AM
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If you appear non judgmental a lot of people let alone just women will talk about their experiences from my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:12 AM
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If you appear to be very open and non judgmental women often talk about it here and there
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:11 AM
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Don’t get me wrong I think the 4B movement was just as performative as it lasted maybe like 2 weeks but I agree there’s no point in saying “I’m going over seas to date other women and you gotta like it” like no one cares tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:09 AM
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What pushback? So fair 90% of this entire thread is “ok have a good one”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:06 AM
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That’s not the point of this post tho. His post is saying men should go overseas to date and that people should be ok with it which no one cares Now if he wants to argue that the average man aren’t in an easy position then sure go and do so but I don’t think that’s the premise of this post
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:01 AM
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That’s just the example she used idk
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:50 PM
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Sure you can argue that but we would need to find if that’s true or not
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:44 PM
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Ok so again none of my questions answered thank you again Lilith for entering a debate and refusing to elaborate on your claims
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:38 PM
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That doesn’t mean prioritizing sex is inherently selfish You can prioritize sex and be ethical and loyal
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:52 PM
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I literally wrote it out for you. If 2/3rds of that is not money related how does this mean he wants a sugar mama? Do you have proof personally that I date the type of women described? Seems like you don’t have answers and are deflecting
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:50 PM
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Explain how 2/3 of what was said, which doesn’t involve money, means he wants a sugar mama Doesn’t answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:44 PM
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Because sex slows down in relationships and sometimes women will do wilder things with flings or shitty men and not so much with the man they “chose”. I’d say that’s incompatibility and he should leave her cause I wouldn’t stand for that but regardless that’s circles back to she’s not having sex with him much or as sexually attracted to him so she’s not that into him
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:36 PM
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If your biggest example is that she has to spend time swiping left that’s literally no inconvenience at all damn near. Not to mention what about outside of dating apps?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:21 PM
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Sure but then we have another issue on our hands. An interesting unattractive guy will still struggle than a boring attractive guy in red pill logic so how does this change the premise?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:20 PM
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But if they were already staying by themselves if it came to dating average men how does the average men leaving give them a more clear path? How are these men that they aren’t dating in their way if they aren’t dating them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:14 PM
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I mean you don’t really have much to debate in this post. You have given women no real incentive to care as the men that you said they don’t date leaving effects them none if they aren’t dating them. You said it gives them a direct line to the men they want but how exactly? Were the men stopping the women? If so how?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:13 PM
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How does less men that they already don’t date mean more access to the men they want to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:04 PM
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Can you reword this? Cause what?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:38 PM
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Ok so I’m asking why do you think women should agree if by your admission they aren’t dating average men? Doesn’t that mean their life doesn’t change at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:38 PM
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Is there pushback or many people saying they don’t care?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:34 PM
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Considering this is a debate subreddit I don’t think most posts need the approval of others. If you wanna do something with your life do it but I don’t get why anyone should do anything. It’s your life dude
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:34 PM
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“Passport bros is the only real solution for average and below average men. And men and women should agree with it” Why do they have to agree with something that doesn’t affect them? If you go overseas to date women how does that affect their life?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:27 PM
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Why do you need women to agree with something that has no effect on them at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:42 PM
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That’s the point of their argument isn’t it? The less sex that’s being had regardless of if she says she loves him they believe she’s not in love or into the man 2.These are all great things yet let me pan you over to the dead bedrooms subreddit. These men tried the same thing your husband did and it didn’t work for them. Someone can can explore sexually but that may not be what that woman wants if she’s not having sex in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:35 PM
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To add more they even say that these women have a high libido for “Chad” and not the boring guy Not necessarily her having a high or low libido overall either by age or hormones but simple attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:16 PM
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They talk about dead bedrooms but they say that’s because the woman isn’t attracted to the man. Again I’m asking you for some characteristics to see if what you mean contradicts or not or if we are on the same page. I agree you can do that but I’m asking you to explain further
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:15 PM
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Oh I see you said sexual peak. But again I’m not sure many men here have argued for a woman’s sexual peak rather than their perceived attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:09 PM
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When red pill men or society talks about women’s peak im not sure its about libido but whether or not their perceived attractiveness Well we would have to list our what characteristics this man would have cause otherwise most people who are stable aren’t necessarily the most exciting because they will be less risk adverse and more worried about future and long term growth while normally people who are less stable aren’t
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:08 PM
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So two things here: What may be someone’s biological peak may not be reflected in society. Society may deem it to be some other time regardless of biology Finding a bad boy and a boring provider in the same dude seems like finding conflicting things if I’m understanding what you mean by that here
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:42 PM
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So two things here: What may be someone’s biological peak may not be reflected in society Finding a bad boy and a boring provider in the same dude seems like finding conflicting things if I’m understanding what you mean by that here
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:42 PM
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This sub is horrible for that it seems cause got damn I see it all the time here
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:29 PM
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You replied to a man saying what I asked you by saying “it’s just he wants a sugar mama” So I’m asking how that follows which is directly tied to what you said. I’m asking for you to test the consistency of your logic with women and asking what makes him want a sugar mama if most of what was listed had nothing to do with money
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:34 PM
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And many women fail to uphold the 3 date rule. And again, we would have to see if these are the same men. Because these could be two different types of men for all we know. That’s like me saying all women hate the patriarchy yet want to have a provider. Those may be two different types of women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:31 PM
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You’d have to prove that’s what they are doing So many women say they would leave a man if he doesn’t buy her shit yet have dated many broke men before
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:28 PM
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That’s not you showing me where or addressing what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:18 PM
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“Then the decision needs to be "can we afford children?". Because the if someone isn't future oriented and still wants to have children they are just offloading their own shortsightedness onto their kids.” The problem is that this includes everyone with kids does it not? Secondly you can’t even acknowledge the guy you were responding to talked about parents who do have a SAHP and ones who don’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:08 PM
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By the definition you have you have still yet to acknowledge if a woman saying “give me more flowers or I’m leaving you” is coercion and based on the definition you gave which was “threatening to end the relationship “ that’s coercion Yet you argued that’s alright did you not
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:05 PM
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Show me where
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:02 PM
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Well yes because we don’t know if the intent is purely sexual or a relationship off of him saying he will take any woman
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:56 PM
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Doesn’t answer my question. Honestly don’t know what it has to do with my question
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:53 PM
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That’s not proof. Again I can say all women want a 6 foot 6 figure 6 pack man if I go by your same accounts
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:49 PM
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That can be the topic and still acknowledge the reality of said situation. There isn’t only two choices. The guy who responded said most people do not have the money to do this and he’s right. He was even talking about normal working people the guy who responded to you
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:48 PM
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Why is the dichotomy here “SAHP” or if they can’t afford it “I can’t afford kids”? Most people work
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:42 PM
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Him wanting a woman to approach him, pay for dates and initiate sex is wanting a sugar mama? Are most women looking for sugar babies then?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:38 PM
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How do you prove point 3? For point 2 I say that’s for men and omen alike Point 1 reminds me of most of your posts so I’d agree
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:36 PM
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Then why do you feel like it’s fair to try and say I did so and criticize me for
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:33 PM
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This is what people who let one whole gender jade them don’t realize is some see that and will rage bait them or use that to their advantage
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:31 PM
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She’s not gonna care this is more than likely someone jaded. Not a bad thing but something to be worked through
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:27 PM
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I agree lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:35 AM
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Finding sex important doesn’t mean someone throws someone out in those circumstances. He never said that you inferred that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:35 AM
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“ In summary: Men compare women having sex with them to chores they have to do that they don’t want to, but expect her to do, especially when married because of entitlement” Nah thats only one portion
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:33 AM
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Makes a lot of sense
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:39 AM
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Not only that but let’s use the actual definition of coercion here. <image> So how would what I said fit that bill?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:37 AM
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A woman can be traumatized from her past not necessarily said partner she has currently. And ok so coercion. How is saying “ I’m not happy with the sex in this relationship and I’m thinking of leaving” coercion?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:36 AM
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Because a quote is a direct word for word of what I said. Right now you’re using implication and what you think I implied wasn’t my intent nor is that a direct quote
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:34 AM
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Does it say that or is it just asking why one is ok and the other isn’t based on OPs reply?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:33 AM
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Nor is that a quote. I didn’t say “I women should go to therapy”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:11 AM
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So what makes someone who wants sex more a dick? Also there’s many reasons someone can not be having sex some of which is sexual trauma
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:09 AM
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Quote where I said that please
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:32 AM
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How is it generalizing if I’m asking her about why one is ok and the other isn’t? I didn’t make a claim about anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:32 AM
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And why do you get to say that for others? Some women grand gestures are a need to feel needed and wanted. Do I get to say that’s not a need therefore she should get over it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:31 AM
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I remember a girl felt up my leg under the school lunch table and I froze dude lok
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:13 AM
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Oh without a doubt. I think that’s why earlier I said dudes fail when they quit not when they go through trial and error like every other dude had to
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:02 AM
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I used to quite literally shake when having to do a presentation. That shit was awful but somehow women weren’t that turned off from it in highschool still Shit you had a decent leg up big ups for that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:59 AM
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I’m not a social butterfly so I had to learn by trial and error and honestly that did be better. Now my job is public speaking and danger so I don’t really give much of a fuck lol. I do way better now
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:55 AM
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I will give you this, my first girlfriend wore a thong to bed and kept pushing on me and I was asking myself “does this mean she wants sex? Do I just start going for it?” And missed my shot
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:53 AM
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Agreed. Understanding women doesn’t mean someone can talk to them well
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:52 AM
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Source for most men seeing sex like this? So if I have a higher libido and not happy with the frequency of sex, is it entitlement to leave to find someone better that fits me?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:52 AM
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Women and men as a whole need to get better at this. Idk what makes people do that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:51 AM
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So why is it ok for women to beg men to go to therapy and men not to do the same if there’s intimacy issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:50 AM
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Brother I just talked to my partners about what they did or didn’t like after the deed was done
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:49 AM
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It sets unrealistic expectations the same way anime convinces some people they will be hokage. Very few will see this as the normal
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:45 AM
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No you don’t. This is your post. You should be able to explain and not write and say “well if you don’t get it then you are Stupid” you actually have to explain and defend said claim
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:54 PM
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And how does it tie into men feeling lied to about dating again?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:52 PM
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Quote the explanation
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:52 PM
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She also spent most of this work explaining men’s poor examples of movies and less about how porn plays into this So in all honesty my question stands how do we link porn to men saying they are lied to
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:50 PM
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Cool what does porn have to do with men feeling lied to? You just said porn. What does this have to do with dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:48 PM
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Did you or did you not say that. I read the whole exchange between you and the other guy where he revised his comment about bugs life yet you then started to center it around bugs
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:04 PM
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Not to mention someone can be intelligent and anxious, had a bad past with women, has trauma etc
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:03 PM
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Once again is talking to men for friends the same as talking to a woman for dating? Because another factor is the fear factor women have towards men that he has to navigate. Another is difference in experiences due to gender etc So is it the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:02 PM
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I read it. All you said was that the examples of Cinderella or other princess had female enemies That bugs life was about bugs and how men don’t have examples correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:00 PM
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I have as I even highlighted something you said in that very post. So again I’m trying to ensure we don’t talk past each other and have a way to actually come to an agreement or to understand what you need as an example here. Because if men have given you other forms of media and you dismiss them I’d like a list to not waste your time or mine
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:49 PM
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Some of the most intelligent men struggle with women so that really doesn’t do much for my point nor answers my question
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:46 PM
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You can say all of that but until you say what you need to consider what people are saying we will be talking past each other. This is less to do with critical thing and more to ensure we stay on track with no goal post shifting by either me or you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:45 PM
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Yes I did cause I’m short. I did so by being fit, having a good job with a degree and masters degree as well as upgrading how I dress and talk and reading on shit about the woman’s perspective Yes but that’s not by intention but by me actively selecting what I like and also just trying to understand my partner What do you mean by sexual resources and what I’m weakest in depends on the woman. I talk to my partners about what they would like, don’t like, and would like to see more of after sex
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:44 PM
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Please. You can’t explain what you are even looking for dude
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:39 PM
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Don’t bother. She can’t even answer for what would make a good example to her
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:37 PM
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And if not do you think there’s a different skill in flirting and just normal friendly convo?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:35 PM
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Ok so does the man flirt and want to date and have sec with guys? If no you found out what makes it different
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:33 PM
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This leads me to ask again, if a man doesn’t understand dating and goes to find answers and those answers aren’t right now is that his responsibility outside of saying “this doesn’t work I have to change what I do”?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:31 PM
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I mean you made a random claim that has nothing to do with this point or your entire post. Answer the question or give criteria or add something to the convo here please. I’ve talked to men with empathy when needed and harshness when needed so I’d like to see how this pertains to what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:25 PM
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What does that have to do with my claim and your lack of criteria?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:19 PM
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What does men and porn have to do with this convo? Is asking for criteria to avoid goal post shift and bad examples low effort?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:17 PM
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My last point indicates they have agency and addresses that. Even in my first example if the men are trying to get some type of info that’s already expressing agency and that they are trying
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:13 PM
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Exactly so if it’s trial and error and no one can help someone figure it out who’s struggling how can we say “this person is fucking up or doesn’t know and got misled and that’s their responsibility”? At least for the men who don’t sit there and throw their hands and quit or atleast keep trying?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:11 PM
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So you want the men here to detail how and when media affected them yet you cannot do the same with a criteria on your post?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:07 PM
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Many times, at least in the army, you get a “figure it out” which is more in line with the analogy I’m using I can be a man and say “I don’t know how to talk to women” and get all kinds of wrong advice or be told “figure it out” So your explainatiob I think doesn’t really highlight much here
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:06 PM
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So again if they say they no longer believe that wouldn’t that mean they took responsibility, looked for what else worked and did that as it seems they no longer believe it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:57 AM
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Could be. But let me ask how do you take responsibility for something you have no idea how to do? Many of these men struggled with dating so simply saying “they are putting off responsibility” may not be accurate. For example if I say “write this code to make this whole website” and you didn’t know how and looked it up on YouTube and it was wrong is that you responsibility being put off or you were just not Knowles about the topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:56 AM
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When did I say I believed that? Everyone is born in this world naive: the gen the men who said this talk about being mislead which shows they no longer believe it and are not naive
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:54 AM
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You have your explanations on why they are bad so yes I’m asking what criteria do you need for you to say “yeah I can see how this movie does this” I don’t think they were lying. But I think many gave you a multifaceted answer that you made simple. So again I ask, name criteria that would fit for you? Because otherwise this can easily change your goal post moving and many don’t have the time nor patience for that. It’s your post you should be able to explain what would convince you otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:53 AM
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I read it. There’s nothing to debate. You won’t take answers that’s given and you sidestepped the answers given in your old post so what?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:51 AM
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Lastly, there’s nothing to address, this whole post doesn’t have much of a premise and is more of you screaming into the world
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:45 AM
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What criteria are you looking for here because your first complaint about bugs life was “well he’s a bug” Not to mention in your last post about this, many also said family members and what was taught at home play a big role. For example a man gets rejected and his sister complains about her asshole boyfriend and tells her brother “literally just be nice and you’ll get women”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:43 AM
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So you complained about people giving you examples but then go on to say “NO! THAT DOESNT COUNT” to every single one of them? Secondly, media influences behavior in more ways than one. That’s another reason some folks fight for representation and all that. To say otherwise is wild
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:35 AM
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For this to follow we would have to treat sex as the main goal rather than relationships. As most of these only deal with sex not relationships Many 90s movies and family would often highlight other characteristics of dating other than looks ( which sometimes still happens in this very sub)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:37 PM
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For this to follow we would have to treat sex as the main goal rather than relationships. As most of these only deal with sex not relationships Many 90s movies and family would often highlight other characteristics of dating other than looks ( which sometimes still happens in this very sub)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:37 PM
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If the man is normal and not entitled, I’m sure a woman saying “I prefer 6 feet and rich” wouldn’t be that bad but “we should call men who make less than 6 figures a boy and brokie “ doesn’t bode well for many for obvious reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:28 PM
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So your premise was why do men see a woman not wanting to date or have sex with them as misandrist. I’m asking or saying it depends on the comment. Similar to women. I’m sure women don’t care if a man only wants a woman who is slim but if said man says “fat bitches aren’t worthy of life itself” then that becomes misogynistic and straight hateful
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:26 PM
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That could be plausible but are you sure it’s not HOW they speak about men they don’t want to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:09 PM
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And if we have no proof we also have no idea of the woman’s standards for cleaning changes or not
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:02 PM
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That’s not a source. So we have no idea if having a list works or not
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:58 PM
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Do you have a source for the “women made a list and men still didn’t do shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:20 PM
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I’m not sure this is a true premise as from what I remember women are just as much as men wanting a partner Roughly at least Women are now free to make their own money yes. But that doesn’t negate that for most people emotional intimacy is still a want for many
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:05 PM
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What does some men wanting women to settle have to do with misandry?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:03 PM
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If there’s any social worker could you DM me? I’d like to go over the realities of the work and learn about it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 10:22 PM
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Well you answered your own question in the analogy. Women sometimes want to hit an insecurity. It’s sometimes an insult to the man and other times men just shrug it off just like your fat comment. Some women think hitting a man about his finances calls his masculinity into question so they attack it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:51 PM
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And do you think women are any different? I’ve been called DL despite never showing any sign of being attacked to men And I’ve been called broke despite making good money which was followed up with women flexing their jobs as if I called them broke for saying “I make good money”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:46 PM
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Again, when a man is rejected and said “you were ugly anyways “ do you think the woman was talking about her beauty?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:10 PM
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The woman wasn’t bringing up her beauty. She more than likely said no. The man is upset and trying to hurt someone due to rejection. If you believe men do this I have no idea why you think women are exempt from anger of rejection
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:09 PM
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When a man has been rejected, do they often not say things like “you were ugly anyways”?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:00 AM
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No, often it is said in a vacuum especially in the case of rejection
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 09:37 AM
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That could be bias do to men talking about dating more than women in general
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:46 AM
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Two things can be true. Women do it for themselves but women also do when rejected start saying how they have this job, can pay their own bills etc. So maybe they get the job for themselves but then turn around and use said job as a shield from rejection
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:45 AM
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What constitutes “holding it against you” in a friendship with a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:52 PM
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And the reason would be to get emotions out on words and to take pressure of said person just like any other reason for venting. Venting often times is less about finding a solution but letting off steam of something that’s been bothering them
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:22 PM
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Why isn’t it appropriate? In the day and age where we have sexuality parades you’re telling me talking about frustrations around sex is inappropriate? We have widespread shows that shows sex and sometimes people’s struggles with it so again where are we getting that it’s inappropriate?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:21 PM
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I’m curious, do you really think people are that simple that EVERY woman is the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:24 PM
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But the post doesn’t say anything about trauma dumping on someone you just met. The post says that things like opening up about lack of sex is bad. But if it’s a female friend why is it bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:14 PM
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Hang on, depends on the anger. No one should put themselves in harms way because someone is going through a shitty time
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:04 PM
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Are these things you choose to deal with? You could simply not interact with women with the men are trash mindset or women with extreme standards
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:02 PM
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I feel like that’s reasonable. That’s when it becomes annoying at best and threatening at worst
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:01 PM
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How do we constitute what’s allowed to be open about and what not to be open and talk about? I’m curious on how saying this is any different then the rules men already have around opening ip which is (open up, oh not about that, open up when it’s only something life altering). This places men back in the position we have already been in regarding opening up
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:45 PM
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Well by that logic you wouldn’t be able to help him with his boss issue or respect issue either If that’s an issue they face in life why is this one the shouldn’t talk about?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:42 PM
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Describe how I lost and how that goes against my original point
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:25 PM
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You comment doesn’t reflect that based on what it says
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:43 PM
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Men normally say this uet you acknowledged therapist say this and that it wouldnt be wrong and most therapist are women Again you have said it’s not wrong yet it’s wrong to say. It’s wrong to say but no one is saying “your fault because you chose him” and I’ve stated once again, that I never stated that and so far most of your claims have been things I haven’t said. I also think it’s not correct to say “men are abused and suddenly find empathy”. You accused me of sending a bad message like women…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:46 PM
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There’s a stat that it takes 7 times to leave. Quote where I said only women do it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:44 PM
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When did I say the inverse isn’t true?? I even said men do this in my other replies. Where am I shitting on the abused by saying “abuse is the abusers fault, getting out of that situation when able is no one’s responsibility but the person who can leave”? Please explain how that’s shitting on then
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:29 PM
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Further, I’ve legit have been left by some women I was dating for the guy who put her head through a table so yes Acknowledging that this does happen often is pretty common when talking about these situations
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:52 PM
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Yes actually. There’s been times I’ve legit have shown someone was actively being cheated on while their partner was abusive AND gave shelters and they defended the guy up until she had to call the cops for her kid
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:54 PM
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Eh it does happen but I agree it’s not someone you want to be around
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:05 PM
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Red pill men who bitch about shitty behavior of women always get told they should pick other women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:03 PM
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Why do you think that’s exclusive to women? If a man puts up with the same and keeps choosing to be with her then yeah same goes for him
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:59 AM
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Again having those standards can also be accompanied with depth standards or it can be based in depth standards. If I have an active life and I said I wanted someone attractive because I take care of my own looks that still says something about my life which would make it depth of standard
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:58 AM
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His behavior isn’t her fault, but staying and even defending said man or getting back with him definitely is her own actions when that situation happens
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:47 AM
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Sometimes it is but I honestly see some people say sorry with an excuse behind it which is less of a sorry and more of a justification often times
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:45 AM
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I mean you did say they were “low and unreasonable” as your first reply to the comment above. But again how do you know they chose that based on influence or something they like?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:42 AM
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If someone is being blamed solely for someone else’s actions sure. But if you are in a situation that you refuse to get out of yes there’s some accountability on your part as well especially if you have resources to leave in a safe manner
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:39 AM
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But that’s a false dichotomy of accountability. Someone can say they are glad they left someone abusive and say “that time I tried to get you out of that situation you pushed me away and defended someone like that and an apology would be nice”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:38 AM
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You said the traits listed above weren’t picky so what’s picky tho? Because again by definition those things are hard to come by. And I don’t know if that’s a good tool. Someone can have dating preferences based on social media and not like those games
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:35 AM
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But how do you determine if that’s their actual preference or something from social media? The things you listed such as tall attractive and rich are technically hard to come by and can lead to a smaller pool which is closer to the definition of picky
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:30 AM
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Your first point again is a large claim and a large leap in logic. Honestly the respect of can be a means to an end to get women. There’s a principle in the red pill about being a “leader of men” and how women find that attractive showing even that is still centered around women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:25 AM
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Well if that’s your definition of what these men are doing it how do you prove that? Because again if most of their points and teachings is about getting women’s validation through sex and relationships (you see this as they make the ideal man that women say their main goal: 6 foot, 6 figures, 6 pack) then that shows their whole world view is less about men and what men want but oddly enough more about what women want even if they are mad about it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:44 AM
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I hate this talking point that of “you must be gay” and simply not that they find more comfort and friendship out of men which makes sense cause they are men themselves and people like those who have similar experiences If all of their advice is how to get a woman to love them or have sex with them, I don’t see how that’s them “fighting for male attention” rather than fighting desperately to get romantic attention from women (which the said women may not be their type and they don’t know that ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:33 AM
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Ah I thought you weee disagreeing
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:38 PM
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Do you feel I’m wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:21 PM
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Despite what women say they have LOW expectations for men sometimes. Due to horrible stereotypes of men, women sometimes expect less out of men or expect things in different allocated areas: For example it’s easier for me to approach because I’m used to that all my life but let’s say a woman who is probably fem isn’t gonna approach much Or another women are expected to be neater and cleaner. I’ve seen women leave other women for a dirty car and date a dude for a dirty house and car because of ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:16 PM
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Men have like 5 different factions of men who are upset about their dating woes and hella podcasts. I think men beat women out in this department
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:53 PM
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I didn’t take what you said out of context. You legit agreed when I said you can communicate directness verbally and non verbally and still show interest and the women like it. You said “as honest as possible” would my analogy not be as honest as possible? Those were yout words
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:50 PM
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I get what you are saying and I still think it’s kinda an outrageous statement. It’s like saying “if I can’t go up to a woman and say I wanna fuck her in the ass then women like being lied to”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:43 PM
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Which is what I said beforehand. They complain about different things but men complain more ( on the basis tha dating can be somewhat harder )
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:42 PM
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So your last statement shows why men are also terrible at selecting a partner. Most of what you said is not unique to women. Hell you here dudes in red pill forums going red pill because they chose a woman who was just as shitty as what you listed for women. So again I ask what’s the difference and what’s the criteria? Because when you add in the fact that women still divorce men at higher rates AND get away with alimony and child support, we have a good case of men not choosing well eithet
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:38 PM
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Ok so what is the criteria for saying “women choose horribly?” Because by that same logic women can’t predict who is an abuser, who will harm them, who will cheat and leave them etc
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:30 PM
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There’s literally more male incels bitching and their subreddit was bigger
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:29 PM
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Lol you still have to be direct. You still can make sexual jokes, talk about how good they look, etc. That’s being VERY upfront you want more than just friendship
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:27 PM
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So if they initiate most divorces wouldn’t that mean the men choosing them are choosing incorrectly or incompatible?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:26 PM
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To even fuck a woman you have to show sexual interest. Sure maybe not overt interest but that’s still subcommunication of wanting more than friends
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:06 PM
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By that logic neither are men by the divorce stats
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:03 PM
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In the sense they aren’t the main ones bitching about dating
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:59 PM
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Lol sure
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:31 AM
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It doesn’t excuse putting up with shit no
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:40 AM
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I just think you focus more on what happens when men constantly complain and don’t see what happens when women do the same. I think society has less patience over all currently
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:27 AM
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In dating, women complain more about “this guy doesn’t buy me flowers, clean up, isn’t nice to me” etc but I see more and more that when women do this and keep going to the same guy either online or day to day life folks start just stop giving a fuck because they won’t do anything about it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:25 AM
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Women complain more about someone shitty that they keep seeing and even society is loosing patience for that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:17 AM
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On average you see more men complaining about dating than women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:05 AM
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I lived thst. I had a woman I dated for a year and some change; I would cook for her before she went to work to show I cared and all. Bought a ring to marry because she was pretty chill and I was leaving for infantry school. Found out she cheated a month after my mom died and when I told the other guy tried to shoot me. I think that was the first moment I asked “what am I doing man”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:30 AM
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My talk about being wanted is that I believe that if they find themselves finding that feeling whether through friends ( I think there was a stat that most have no friends) or even things like owning a tarantula ( I have one and she’s dope) it can somewhat help tha feeling of wanting to be wanted. As for many staying in that ideologi idk. I was once red pilled and even thought it was mainly women who dated assholes. And even after an ex that tried to shoot me after cheating right after my mom di…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:25 AM
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Honestly, respectfully I disagree. I think despite what many say most people have a desire to be wanted. There’s far too many People in the world for them not to be wanted by anyone and I think many act out to get some 5 seconds of attention. But with therapy I do believe many can learn to enjoy life even if life just turns out to suck and they get no on I think it’s unfair to say “due to you having a few lingering beliefs (barring hatred or violence) that they can’t be normal” Most people have …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:19 AM
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I think about how extreme they are and I wonder if many are too far into their ideology to be helped or not especially the male ones
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:12 AM
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Yep. That’s when you become a “nice guy” or a “pick me”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:09 AM
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“No one is stopping them from celebrating themselves” and that’s exactly what they did and even brought awareness and shown a video with statistics. So again they are “labor diggers” yet share the into??? Complaining that no one is talking about it and then sharing info about it is the opposite of expecting others to do it for them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:34 PM
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Ok so now we are moving the goal post. How are they “labor diggers” yet go against what the picture you sent said? They did it themselves all barring one guy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:30 PM
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First guy promoted it himself so he did what the woman complained about Third guy said to “promote it yourself” as he is doing Third guy is legit again showcasing men’s mental health month so again only one of your examples bitching AND not doing anything about it. Most of these are at least raising awareness
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:26 PM
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Honestly fair point. I’m just nosey as hell and wanted some drama lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:19 PM
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I’m Normally interested in hearing feminist anti sex work arguments it’s honestly such a dying form of feminism plus it makes sense to me to a certain degree
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:56 PM
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What do you think female sexuality consists of then?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:54 PM
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At the end of the day we are both humans
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:51 PM
2

I’ve been hit on by gay guys. Shit I appreciated it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:48 PM
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Dude I had a gay man buy me a drink and that shit boosted my ego for months
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:48 PM
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I disagree Alt has just became mainstream and many alt women are very insecure ( I dated enough to know)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:46 PM
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What does she mean by “get salty”? Because the most I see is men will shit on a woman who makes a terrible joke about men’s mental health month. If anything I barely see men go “why is there no men’s mental health month”. I could be wrong but this seems like a case of making an argument to fight against that no one was making
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:45 PM
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For everyone who met my thread with honesty and not attacking everyone thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:43 PM
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For example dudes buying bath water or tricking
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:42 PM
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Have you seen this play out in real time?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:40 PM
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In that case would you say they want to look like that for the power of pretty privilege and male validation?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:38 PM
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You are hitting something I thought about for a while and it goes for both. Women and men are in some kind of desperate struggle of “who cares less” and that’s the toxicity in all of the dating world. It’s ok to care about wanting a partner or wanting to please a partner but for some reason saying this gets you called a pick me or a simp
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:36 PM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:32 PM
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In what cases have you seen the second one? And again I see that in men who want an attractive woman but can’t handle said woman getting hit on or wearing something appealinh
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:21 PM
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Idk why we are all human
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:40 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:16 PM
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Yeah I agree with you on that. I’ve seen women defending evil ass women because they are beautiful
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:02 PM
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I’ve had a woman legit ask me to pay for Taco Bell. The shit is like 10 dollars at most I also can’t fathom being chicken shit and pretending to be friends with a woman for sex or dating
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:01 PM
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It’s crazy too because my male friendships are very fulfilling. But then I meet some other dudes and they have a pissing contest
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:59 PM
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What’s your thoughts on women in only fans?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:57 PM
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This for men is something that made me leave the red pill. Everything was always a woman’s fault but the shit they got mad at women for men are just as guilty at times and I left. I hate victim shit
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:57 PM
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Most people meet their partners at work or through friends so you are right
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:56 PM
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I enjoyed it and often times never suffered from dead bedrooms as a result
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:55 PM
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I will respect women on that if they are trying to use you for money you can easily tell. Some just outright ask you to pay for shit before even knowing her
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:54 PM
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I think my issue is if I’m gonna bitch about something it better be something g I can fix. If not the it’s a waste of time
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:53 PM
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I’ve always what goes through peoples head who believes in bio essentialism
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:52 PM
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If it makes you feel better I dated a woman who would bitch about being attracted to men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:51 PM
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Bro being in and seeing them damn near roll their eyes at some pretty badass women was insane Or old head soldiers complain about them being in
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:49 PM
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Honestly again this goes for dudes too. You can’t bitch about a traditional woman and not have your life together or sit on red pill forums all day
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:38 PM
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Ah you’re a troll. Have a good one
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:35 PM
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Are you confusing me with someone else? I never said I would?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:33 PM
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Yep. I’ve seen conservative women blow a gasket when a woman is smart or could do infantry shit
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:30 PM
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I don’t agree. Couples in their older years are shown to be more adventurous in sec from what I remember. I just think w lot of women lose attraction or have other shit going on
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:27 PM
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This I agree with. You get women talking and comfortable and they will flat out say they are unhappy in dead bedrooms
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:26 PM
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I think men are becoming better at advocating for their shit but I agree the current shit is toxic still
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:25 PM
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Men do this but only with women. Thats how women end up hurt with dudes who they thought they had a friend in but dude was trying to date/ fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:24 PM
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As a man I had the same. Mommy issues are a bitch
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:20 PM
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I said the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:14 PM
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I would say it’s not easy to leave someone you care about but should be done nonetheless in certain situations
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:53 PM
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I see them being more positive. What do you mean negative
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:51 PM
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This I ageee with the most. I was hoping someone would say this. The attributes that we fight about across genders is the same
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:50 PM
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It’s crazy how many will put up with literally anything and then complain about it or say it’s all womem
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:20 PM
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I wil say some men yes. But a lack of any sex in a relationship I see men and women leaving. It’s why some women don’t like men watching porn
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:20 PM
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I agree. It’s why I tend to not date people from a sec shaming background
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:17 PM
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I’d argue it’s not really serving. Some women use terrible relationships and instead of leaving them use them for sympathy points but will refuse to leave said person
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:17 PM
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I’m about done with my masters. I don’t care about strong women but some act exactly like this It’s like dudes who lead with money or think that being a nice guy entitled to all
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:14 PM
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I agree but at the same time my experiences with having that convo with someone women, they would seem awkward at first but then love it later so some are just too scared to
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:06 PM
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I agree and will give you one for men. Men bitch about having to pay and uphold male expectations but expect women to wait on them hand and foot and “lead” the relationship and stay in their female expectations
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:55 PM
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Conversely, men need to be way less afraid to ask what a woman likes or incorporate her toys and all
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:54 PM
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I definitely agree with your second point but your first is iffy. Maybe because I’m a veteran now but even my civilian friends who are male had my back through thick and thin
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:53 PM
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What makes you say this? And in exchange I’ll say men live their lives way too much trying to appeal to women but in the worst ways and ways tha do not appeal to women but themselves and get pissy when it doesn’t go well
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:51 PM
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I don’t know about breaking hearts but absolutely do not stay in shitty situations and then fight people who are trying to help you get out. I’ve seen women damn near fist fight their friends for a man who cheated and gave them an STD
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:50 PM
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I definitely agree especially when it comes to boundaries and what upsets them and makes them hapoy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:49 PM
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Your second point reminds me of men who say that some career women are insufferable yet the dudes are just controlling and want a barefoot and pregnant woman who can’t act without his approval
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:48 PM
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For your first point I’d say men share as well. You see dudes staying for all kinds of things out of fear of being alone
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:47 PM
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I’m not. Just really busy with work and everythibg
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:39 PM
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Even then I see women not really “taking more risk” in the sense of going out of their way to approach women. But once the initial attraction is there yeah they do the whole move in in 2 months thing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:38 PM
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I have a masc lesbian friend. In all honesty I don’t think the expectation for them is less than men. Honestly I think it’s higher for women than it is women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:37 PM
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I will give women this: I ain’t ever seen a dude date an ugly woman for potential. When I hear women say that all I can say is true to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:28 PM
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To which I made an observation and said it’s a deflection from the topic at hand
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:32 PM
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Considering it’s a post with a set thing to discuss I would call it a deflection from the topic at hand no? If you aren’t interested in the topic I don’t see the point in commenting
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:28 PM
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Considering some of them were from before I was 20, with a degree and psych and all sure but again I’m way older and some of my post still have merit. You didn’t bring much to my current post but more of a deflection
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:23 PM
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Lol are you giving me second place for allowing folks to vent?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:36 PM
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I know Valentine’s Day is coming up. If anyone needs a vent I’ll be there. Or if you just wanna vent about life in general I’ll listen with no judgement
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:22 AM
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Imma be 100%, id give you a handshake in real life. She’s gorgeous
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 01:59 AM
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Q4All: Who’s one actor or actress you’d marry? Mine would be Helena Bonham Carter young. God that woman is fine
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 01:45 AM
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More societal expectations than just dating and the negatives it has on mental health and suicide. No one is saying men and women don’t struggle but it’s fine for there to be conversations about why and how it can be fixed as that’s how society and understanding grows
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:26 PM
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That used to be my late mom’s favorite band. Hell nah I’d walk out
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:16 PM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:11 PM
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Idk why but when I read this I feel like I can smell that this man smelled like cheap cologne and shit
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:10 PM
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Idk why some women do that. Hell men do it too That’s like a man going on a date “I expect sex and my laundry done” It’s not bad to have standards but it’s just tacky as hell to say it like that
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:05 PM
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Better than me, I have legit just walked out of restaurants in that situation
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:03 PM
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… why did she go on a date while having a boyfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:02 PM
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There seems to be a very big group that will derail any conversation of the struggles men can face. I had a convo with a girl that went on a whole rabbit whole that since she got cheated on she will cheat on the next guy even if it harms an innocent man because “men need to stop cheating@
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:02 PM
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Jesus Christ
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:59 PM
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I agree. Hell women will body shame other women if they don’t like the woman. This is just a demographic thing tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:55 PM
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Nah some of the women here are hateful. Saying they should be raped or have less rights is only a few ways to show hatred. Women do it in other ways here
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:54 PM
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Yeah even I feel like this is rage bait. Most people who do this shit don’t admit it online as well
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:52 PM
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23 year old. Confirmed I don’t want crotch fruit right now
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:51 PM
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Q4All: Worst dates you ever had?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:51 PM
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Actually I agree with this heavy. The main success in my dating was figuring out the type of women who liked me the most
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:47 PM
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Quote where I blamed feminism. I did exactly what you described in fact. To use your analogy what I did was this: “Vegans are fine but fake vegans contribute to the same industry they swear against and contribute to ethical violations of the meat industry” That’s not saying vegans are to blame but rather a group that practices hypocrisy And yes every movement has people like this, but just saying “it’s a people problem” is correct but not applying the context of the specific movement these bad a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:08 PM
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Quite a few but I don’t consider them to be feminist as well hey are hypocritical to their own movement
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 04:44 PM
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You know I can get with that explanation. I think that’s a better explanation than mine
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 04:16 PM
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Correct. I explained they used feminist talking points but aren’t due to their believes and correctly called them “fake” feminist. So again it seems like my description is pretty fair
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:58 PM
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It’s a good thing to women who don’t expect traditional values even at the expense of her partner while also raving about the patriarchy. You don’t seem to be in that cohort
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:55 PM
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The points you originally argued with has been made null by me even saying they are “fake feminist”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:46 PM
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Doesn’t argue against my claim that their are people who have an agenda and are shitty people
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:44 PM
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Never said otherwise. It’s why I said fake feminist in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:43 PM
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I think some can read, they just make up their own argument to argue against and when you say you never made th claim they are arguing they spaz out to be bad faith
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:42 PM
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Providing nuance to the claim you made
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:37 PM
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Ah I thought you were explaining how what I’m doing is wrong or something
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:34 PM
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They are shitty people with an agenda if they try to use good movements as a shield to do shitty behaviors
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:33 PM
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Essentialism feminism is a branch of the ideology I explained how some bad faith feminist use “who set that system up” to men who are making valid complaints about patriarchal views placed on women that benefit men I never said feminism authorizes the use of that because it’s technically against actual feminist values. If anything I defend actual feminist values from bad faith actors that hide behind slogans to do harmful shit to men in the name of feminism Saying it’s just “people who hate acco…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:29 PM
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I think critique of some aspects of feminism or “fake” feminism is fair and if anything helps the movement
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:25 PM
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I think 300 dollars for groceries every week is extreme hyperbole I bake and cook and spend max like 200 for 2 weeks. Paying rent is still the more expensive exchange
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:00 PM
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Rent is not even the same realm as baked goods
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:55 PM
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I literally showed how they use feminist ideas to hid behind shitty behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:49 PM
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If you think that’s chat gpt I’ll take the compliment
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 09:11 AM
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I’d argue it’s less of a criticism of women and more of a criticism of the hypocrisy of some feminist and men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 08:17 AM
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Wdym?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 08:10 AM
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I’m assuming you think I’m “sticking it to women” or something with this post?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 07:51 AM
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Well for most people say this as an outlet for hurt men and women. A man gets cheated on “Stacy only wants Chad and will all cheat on the next best thing” A woman gets cheated on “Look at how men will cheat on you and not care. He was a narcissist!” Yet both continue on dating and consistently talking about dating
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:38 AM
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Quote me rallying women against emotionally intelligent men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:24 AM
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I didn’t even make it a women vs men. I even stated these facts: Not all men or most are becoming more emotionally intelligent Men also contribute to these behaviors due to sexist ideas of “well that’s just women they are crazy” stating that men caused this issue That does backfire on fake feminist as many of them claim to want to get rid of the patriarchy while simultaneously calling men gay for things they don’t like. So again, how did I frame this as women vs men rather than fake feminist ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:20 AM
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Nope, quote where I said otherwise and again this doesn’t disprove your claim against what i said.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:14 AM
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That still doesn’t negate that many still have: A group as a whole doing bad in a subject doesn’t mean all are bad at said subject
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:13 AM
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I never said most were becoming emotionally intelligent in my preface
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:10 AM
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Question, does probability of something have to happen to make something be valid or just disrespect in general? A story can be made up but still be based in something true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 04:59 AM
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So why not be the change yourself? Isn’t waiting on the example of someone else allowing them to be the leader of what should and shouldn’t happen and further reinforcing patriarchy?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 04:22 AM
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It is if done right. Otherwise we have people throwing false emotional claims at each other and making the distrust between genders even worse and this shit drag out longer
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 04:11 AM
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Mine is clinical. I joined the army to get my masters for free and shit How did you like it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 04:10 AM
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Matter of fact, when getting my psych degree they had a whole section of the semester on why it’s bad to use therapy speak casually or try to diagnose folks
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 04:08 AM
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Yes as more cheating only adds more cheating and more social distrust making further issues between the genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 04:05 AM
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I think you answered well Man , and I want to start by saying I agree with you that people should have this level of introspection. Where I think we see it differently is that your idea assumes most people prioritize reflection over validation. In practice, a lot of people don’t. They prioritize belonging, approval, and identity reinforcement, even when they have the tools to know better. That’s why you see things like red pillers claiming to hate women while also changing themselves for women’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 04:04 AM
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Also a good claim. People have differing levels of intelligence so what may be obvious to some isn’t as much to others. That’s crucial in relationships as many people believe relationships shouldn’t haven’t much blatant conversations about expectations and changes but rather “you should’ve known x was happening and done y” But that’s a bad mindset just off of how busy many people are
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:47 AM
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Oh ok yeah she argued because some part of me believes she does the behaviors listed
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:44 AM
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You both make a point. Some people are just dumb and don’t think much past it. Be he’s also right many know the issue after many years of being in a relationship some just decide not to change due to resentment, laziness, leverage, or stupidity like you explained
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:37 AM
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So to set the premise I’ll ask some questions Do you believe humans are social creatures and can exhibit tribal behaviors even against logic? Do you believe that jokes from the internet an lingo can cross into real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:28 AM
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What I’m saying? Or her?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:27 AM
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Those are very poor taste jokes and jokes often have a level of truth. If you husband said “yeah I always bring condoms with me to a strip club or dua lipa concert cause you never know” you’re saying you’d laugh at that and not have some feelings about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:19 AM
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You answer is “if they are doing wrong I wanna do wrong too?”?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:17 AM
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I put in my preface that i don’t think most men are becoming more emotionally intelligent but a few are and can put the issues that women place on men into an actual critique that doesn’t shame women. Do some men use therapy speak to shame men? Sure. But I think a lot of the critiques I explained above is less shaming women and more “hey this isn’t correct and adds to the issue of patriarchy” Especially when it comes to women calling men gay for things they don’t like or physical abuse and emoti…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:05 AM
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Maybe not more but different. Men would be more violent women would be more shameful and emotional and psychological with homophobia.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:58 AM
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If we established that women and men add to the patriarchy and women have a higher in group bias someone needs to explain that certain things they do is wrong regardless. Not having men have a part of that convo could definitely add to women gaining a hubris and the attitude that “when women speak a ma should just listen otherwise he hates women or is gay” I’m not saying anyone is better. But if men cannot speak about the issues women place on men again it’s gonna cause more issues and more toxi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:49 AM
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No I specifically said fake feminist
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:42 AM
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That makes sense. When I was heavily red pill my thought process followed the same pattern actually if that makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:31 AM
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Men used to act in more toxic masculine ways. For example: “why do you care how well you dress be a man and worry about money, why are you at the bar if you are only with your friends go talk to women or your gay” And that’s coming from the men’s side. So since women have done an otherwise great job of getting rid of toxic masculinity it’s gotten rid of the things some women liked about toxic masculinity therefore women are now joining in on the shame and calling men gay arguably more than men f…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:29 AM
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Also thank you for the good faith
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:22 AM
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I can see that but we also seen this issue with Martin Luther and his thesis back on the church. He was arguing against the old church and its belief that since everyone is a sinner they must pay and do extra work because of being said sinner. I’m not sure how fair it is to snipe men from participating in a discussion that’s still technically about them. In terms of systems that’s gonna make men feel more unheard and groups of people do not do well with having issues going unheard and some women…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:21 AM
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Can you help me understand your thought process at the time you did this? Not for shame but purely wanting to understand
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:18 AM
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Of course I actually agree with you. It’s backfiring on fake feminists who use women’s issues to cling to old ideas that fit them that’s why I tried to make that distinction early
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:17 AM
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Sure I can get that
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:12 AM
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Summarize something that everyone else understood is crazy. But I agree appreciate the participation
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:10 AM
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So if men’s behavior didn’t change then women’s behavior is just being shown more, I can post examples if you’d like
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:05 AM
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“Chat GPT might be useful” “oh my god did you use chat gpt” Yeah you’re arguing to argue, contribute to the post or we are just talking past each other and there’s no point in you being here
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:04 AM
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I never said it was increasing for men as a whole. If anything I said it’s increasing for some which is true but not the majority as it was in my preface. Also men now didn’t create this society so men pointing out bad practices of the people who want to get rid of patriarchy yet enforce it is very fair. Creating the idea that men cannot have a say due to the actions of people they never met causes a perpetual social guilt issue For better understanding this is what I told someone else: “I agree…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:02 AM
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I’d kinda agree with that
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 01:57 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 01:52 AM
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I see it all the time. It’s very common when men say they don’t wanna chase women or pay for expensive things the result is “Then you must wanna chase men” If you argue with a woman or state you don’t like something: “Oh he’s sassy” Literally not too long ago women were posting men dancing on platform bars with their friends calling them sassy and gay
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 01:51 AM
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My statement was clearly stated as you even quoted it back to me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 01:48 AM
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Is something hard to understand when others understood it and it’s literally labeled?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 01:41 AM
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I definitely agree. I’d add dumb an backboneless husband and crazy wife . Great point
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 01:34 AM
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Can you give me an example of this? I’m not sure what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 01:28 AM
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I had the main idea in the post
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 01:27 AM
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I definitely agree. The more I debated some women the more I recognized they want patriarchy but to be in control of it and instill shame in men who don’t behave accordingly. So they use the issues women face as post hoc to explain that
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 01:27 AM
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Yeah I’m military to help pay for my masters degree to be a therapist and that’s great to hear. And yeah I heard of teachers walking off now due to dealing with parents tho
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 01:17 AM
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Yeah. Dated her for a while and she was with me when I watched my mom take her last breathes and pass from cancer. A month later it seems she was already cheating When I figured out she tried shaving her hair off, saying it was my fault, choked me and tried to send people to my dads house
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 01:12 AM
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It sucked and I lived through hell for a while but I came out better and wiser and did the smart thing and went to therapy. How’s the relationships been going? Hopefully you found the man you wanted cause I remember you explaining your ideal man. And you teach now?! That’s so sick. Teachers have the ability to shape culture when you think about it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 01:02 AM
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I agree with your notion. But I’ve never said most men are getting more emotionally intelligent. If anything I think the few men who are see through more radical feminism and are able to put vocabulary to ideas rather than “feminism is bad and women suck” The men who are able to put vocabulary to ideas get bandwagon from other men so it looks like men understand feminist ideas but some don’t. If that makes sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 12:59 AM
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Eh could be desk at a hotel
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 12:57 AM
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I’d say more like desk job
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 12:55 AM
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Been almost a year into therapy after the whole ordeal with my ex trying to shoot me and choking me after finding her cheating and my mom passing from cancer. I’m doing a lot better. Had an injury from my service but it’s finally about healed now how have you been?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 12:55 AM
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I’m not insulting her but she spends a lot of time here I wouldn’t call her a feminist but more so someone kinda jaded
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 12:50 AM
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So notice most of what you said shows care helps directly with reproduction or keeps kids alive longer to increase chance of reproduction
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 11:58 PM
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Ok let me ask do you think having emotions provides us with something in terms of survival or “it just is”?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 11:54 PM
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I wonder what Lilith does for a job cause she posts here like every damn day
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 11:53 PM
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A community doesn’t have to all me married to run. We are social creatures but there really isn’t a need for two parents to be together if we ran in more than groups of 2
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 11:51 PM
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Where is the insult in saying “you allow x to do something that’s not allowed?”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 11:49 PM
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Stats show otherwise with men’s sex rates and men reporting on approaching women and how it’s going down. Secondly, one is literally made to be penetrated the other isn’t. If anything that makes your claim worse I only halfway agree with OP as I do believe some men would die for sex and I think others are cautious just like women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 03:59 AM
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You’re proving my point on why I say men are just as afraid as it takes one lie to ruin a man psychologically and financially Sure physical force is important in an instance where someone is weaker. Cultural power which women have is stronger than just one strong man. Again that’s also a shitty situation but lies that can cost money and happiness are just as scary as we both agreed humans aren’t manly logical. Doesn’t need to be a 1:1 match in terms of frequency or lose of life but it does cause…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 02:20 AM
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It doesn’t need to be a 1 for 1 in which is worse. Fear is an emotion not logic and as long as fear is there men are as I would argue just as worried Physical strength isn’t the only power that exists
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 02:04 AM
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My main point was validation can equal care and without validation relationships fall apart as communication, nice acts, physical touch are all to validate your partner. Idk where you brought up celebrities or whatever. If anything you saying if someone’s a jackass to leave proves my point that without validation relationships fall apart cause it becomes what was described.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:12 PM
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Ok let’s say you want a partner and show them an art piece you made. Instead of saying “wow that looks great” they say “damn that looks awful” Even if it’s your first time painting, do you think you’d still want that partner? If no then congrats you want validation like everyone else. You can love someone AND want validation. They are exclusive “To show he gives a fuck about her” that’s literally validating someone’s existence and time
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:28 PM
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If bottom men felt similar they would have the same sex rates. Secondly I think “even bad sex is good sex” is very much an outdated saying that I haven’t heard about in a while. Men are increasingly scared to interact with women in general due to fear of being one wrong sentence and having rape allegations. It’s why Gen Z men don’t have sex as much as other generations. Then there’s the common phrase “the juice isn’t worth the squeeze” Further men’s sex rates have dropped but women’s have stayed…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:26 PM
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Most people want validation from a partner. It’s why Valentine’s Day mainly has men buying things for women or why women expect a man to pay on a date that they both would want to go on
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:16 PM
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Actually yes. Dating someone you’re “meh” about because “well he wants a family” sounds pretty shitty and can come with issues down the line
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:12 PM
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Im curious as to what’s the point of this comment in the context? Cause gay men still have higher sex rates
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:08 PM
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I agree with this
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:07 PM
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I’d agree with some important caveats, I do think manosphere men are not seeing things c due to hurt but I do see some validity when it comes to some harmful forms of feminism like when a woman got bullied into self harm on tik tok by other women for dating a man I disagree with the notion that men don’t get shamed heavily either. We are shamed for fighting back if a woman hits us or does anything we are told “she’s a woman just walk away no matter what” which leads to women being massively unde…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 10:00 PM
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I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic or not I apologize. If you think I’m saying women are dumb or something that’s far from the case. If anything I think women have more power in shaping culture than anything so their in group bias is definitely how they survived and how they (without power with a title) held some form of power for generations Also yeah it’s proven that they do. I can give you the source if needed
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 09:44 PM
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The difference is society will always see women as non threatening so women don’t have to complain about dating in the form of a joke. Men on average do especially since our current society is set up that a man’s worth is determined by how easily he can get women and resources. To other women they will start to ask “what’s wrong with him?”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 09:41 PM
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I think to say men don’t ever feel influence is crazy but it is true that women have a bigger in group bias which does has more influence over people
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 09:38 PM
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How does that change what I’m saying? Why would a woman not go with someone who actually does make them feel that way and instead fake it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 09:36 PM
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They were more resilient because the view on consent and gender changed. Before you all were incentivized to keep pushing and pushing or fail consistently Now we aren’t and women can and some will call it creepy to do either. Not to mention the idea of “wow she was just a bitch” was more common so dudes wouldn’t take rejection personally but now most dudes can see that’s not the right attitude But in that comes “damn that was brutal” so they just go home. Not to mention rising demands women have…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 09:29 PM
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This would assume that people aren’t delusional in dating when feelings are the main part of dating for most. A lot (not all) will literally convince themselves some guy they want is gonna eventually meet with them
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 09:25 PM
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If you have to let the man feel that “he won you over” then idk I don’t think you’re into the guy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 09:23 PM
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That’s not even logic. You can say “running makes my feet hurt” and not mean “running is bad for you.”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 09:21 PM
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I agree with that. But I’ve always seen it not as thought out ( and they are mainly single) and when people say “hey you might be struggling with dating cause it’s a bit imbalanced” and it’s met with insults but you’re right to be fair it is their life even if it does cause issues
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 05:11 AM
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This actually is a way better take than why I often hear of a provider man having to do 50% of the housework, half of the childcare and still work to pay all the bills and then some. So I’ll ask, why do you think that’s being said now?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 04:57 AM
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Yeah get you one of those and literally fish is cheap protein and plenty for the cost, and air fryer for lazy days, and olive oil for health rather than vegetable oil and you’re good. Marinate the food in spices before hand so now your brain thinks “damn if I don’t cook I spent 20 for no reason”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 04:32 AM
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Cooking takes an hour at most. Most of it is prep which is often doing something that takes 5 minutes and leaving it for 30 to come back to do more and then an hour of actual cooking
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 03:51 AM
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What does half of the child care look like to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 03:49 AM
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Lol I love this and you for this
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 02:59 AM
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What expectations would you have of a dude who pays for everything?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 02:51 AM
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I agree with you but I won’t shame someone’s choice that has both parties consenting. Lol I just won’t do it though
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 02:32 AM
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It depends on what it is. If you want a man to work to pay for everything and come home and take over the housework I think that man works far more in that relationship and is more prone to burnout and health issues
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 02:32 AM
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Idk if I’d call them a gold digger as I don’t think it’s bad to want that but if you manipulate men to get that then yeah I’d call it a gold digger
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 02:30 AM
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Fair point. I won’t disagree with you on your list but what’s your thought of women saying a man is doing bare minimum if he pays her bills?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 02:22 AM
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Does he need to pay all of your bills?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 02:20 AM
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Chronically online Q4W: What is considered the maximum, not bare minimum, for a man? I’ll take chronically online answers and actual real life answers
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 01:52 AM
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Imagine if I said “I don’t care for dogs but they are whatever” Doesn’t seem like a big deal right? But if I bring a dog home cause I wanted one but didn’t know that this was a deal breaker and find myself on the brink of a break up then that’s not on me that’s on my partner for not enforcing said rules or boundaries
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 06:55 PM
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Let me take a stab at it. How do you joke with your friends man?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 08:32 PM
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To be fair in his OP he said people only gave him vague answers like “eh it’s complicated” That’s not being corrected that’s just saying at best “well yes but actually no”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 08:32 PM
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Except it seems they also report happier
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:06 PM
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What makes it romantic love versus non romantic love then is what I’m thinking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:26 PM
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More like “you got me here I got you there and we respect each other” type of marriage. And if you can get emotional support from both then I ask why do we put so much importance on love?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:23 PM
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I’m 23. You’ve barely answered any questions and said I couldn’t read ( which is funny as I said love and logic ideally goes hand in hand in another comment but this is me just thinking) Nothing I said refutes that you can have a combination of these and still just be FWB. Do you have sex with people you don’t respected, desire, and get along with?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:22 PM
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I’m asking genuine questions. Cause again what is respect if it’s not what I described? And I can desire for someone to be a partner based on qualities they have but not an overwhelming intense desire. You said you’d be bored in a month without those feelings but we see often times when people have been together for a long time these feelings fade into something more like cognitive love rather than an intense feeling which is closer to what I’m describing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:20 PM
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So then I ask you do you only get emotional support by someone you are in love with or can you get emotional support by people who understand you and are your friends, family etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:14 PM
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Ok then what am I describing ? And desire in what context? Cause I can desire my best friend to be my best friend If you are talking about desire in a sexual since then again that’s not something you need love for either
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:12 PM
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Yes. But do most people marry with the idea of a marriage being unstable or do they want them to be stable and stand a long time?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:09 PM
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Respect is more so an attitude. I can respect someone not to hit them or insult them but not feel anything towards them. Admiration on the other hand is different. We don’t say we admire someone enough not to be rude and that’s it. I think you’re confusing the two. And no I’m compatible with my best friend in how we see and conduct our lives. Does that mean I love him?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:05 PM
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I can agree with that. But love as any other emotion fades. If you’ve been with someone for a long period you may not feel “in love” just due to the fact you see them everyday but you’d have something like cognitive love where you know you love them and don’t hate them
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:02 PM
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I agree with this a bit because that extreme feeling of love fades and wanes and sometimes comes back and sometimes doesn’t. To me that shows why it COULD be an issue to run a relationship for mainly love. Not saying I would but this is a thing to think about
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 05:58 PM
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Respect I don’t think is an emotion. But for the same reason many are talking about being broke, running a relationship on actual compatibility rather than an emotion that’s fleeting and having a more stable environment
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 05:56 PM
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Isn’t there data that marriages out of convenience report higher stability? If so couldn’t we say it’s smarter to get into a relationship with logic and not so much affection?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 05:47 PM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 05:41 PM
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Now I may not be red pilled but this I fundamentally agree with as let’s face it women don’t have to change much in the dating realm so why would they want more responsibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 05:23 PM
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People have different communication types and again to me the rules were fairly simple
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:57 PM
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Cause I said most people behave like this. Even you technically as you’ve been banned before on this subreddit. Some people don’t act this way yet it’s not the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:49 PM
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Explain how
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:46 PM
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But ultimately yeah this proves OPs case
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:40 PM
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Sure you can take that route but it makes me wonder if we can say the same about women not being paid the same and bitching instead of working more hours
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:39 PM
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Ok in what way?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:34 PM
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I’m not talking about the approach part but more so your take on autism in men. If men are the main ones who have to push foward in a relationship and he can’t read cues then he is significantly handicapped even though we try to move from these norms of men having to make the first move
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:34 PM
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I agree but again most people work like this. Go to any job and say “no phones” most won’t care unless you start giving the threat of write pipes or being fired
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:32 PM
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This still sounds like you agree most men aren’t given many chances in society
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:25 PM
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Sure but sounds like you agree with the guy above
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:23 PM
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As a short man I can say what women say publicly and what they do are two different things
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 03:39 AM
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This isn’t a hypothetical this is sometimes the case. I’ll say many men here have grown up hearing “most women want someone of character who is loving and kind” So the men who are jaded and hear that advice my and often do respond with saying “I am nice and that’s not doing anything” Do some men say this unprompted? Sure but there’s also another side of this that does exist and not acknowledging that only gives half truths
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 03:26 AM
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I agree that those who don’t like it don’t have to date. But what we will end up seeing is Patriarchal dating norms still being selected for and perpetuating the cycle. If we look at that trend then no I’d say most women kinda don’t want a middle ground. They want something that would line up to only their benefit the same way men do
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 03:18 AM
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Are they saying that with the expectation of getting something for being kind or a rebuttal to being told “be kind and there will be a woman who likes you”?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 03:09 AM
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Wdym? Women compromise their standards all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 03:05 AM
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Yet somehow the men who do these things keep finding these women. Either women are accidentally selecting for this (which is what the other guy mentioned I think) or all men are somehow extremely manipulative in showing that they do both
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 02:12 AM
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Id say it’s also women who do this. Like people get mad at others cause they date shitty people but that’s literally something you can change by dating others
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 05:05 PM
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Ok how do they affect you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 05:03 PM
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Disagree. Most people barely one day get half of this shit is and go out and have fun with people
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 05:02 PM
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Honestly I’ll double down, I keep hearing “women don’t wanna date men now so ha!” Or “men don’t wanna date women now so ha!” When realistically for most it’s just too expensive to date or people got other shit in their lives they gotta handle
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 04:56 PM
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Idk I guess as I got older who women want to date, feminism, men and women debates became more stupid. One side thinks men is the root of all evil The other thinks women are the cause of everything bad. Then you go outside and realize none of this matters because most don’t say half of this shit in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 04:49 PM
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Based and best take
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 05:00 PM
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And as a young gen z this is more accurate. More and more im seeing men and women roll their eyes when we hear “all men are x” or “all women are y”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 05:00 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:15 AM
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Thank you. Luckily I started an IRA young too so I’m straight hopefully
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 01:04 AM
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Yeah to this day I still read all the time Respect to your parents
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 12:29 AM
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How? I don’t condone either doing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 12:13 AM
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Definitely. Our mom used to make us read 3 books over the summer and do reports and shit. She was HEAVY into reading
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 11:26 PM
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They were both from poor households with my moms side being mainly criminals. But my mom was a nurse and my dad was an army vet and electrician
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 11:24 PM
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African American
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 11:22 PM
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Lots of those jobs like fast food and all weren’t really supposed to be a long term job for most it seems
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 11:02 PM
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My parents since I guess we were black always stressed the importance of saving, investing, and living in your means and not eating out. It’s why I cook often
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:59 PM
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Human issue rather than a left or right issue
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:58 PM
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One thing that surprised me is how many Americans love paycheck to paycheck. I’m 23 and live on my own and always have money saved over guess I’m pretty proud of that
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:57 PM
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You can detach from the outcome and not have the mindset of “she’s not yours it’s just your turn” That isn’t detaching from the outcome but rather assuming it will happen
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 06:32 PM
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You don’t even need “good vetting” just “yeah her responses seem weird idk about this” I’ve had that happen in less than an hour
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:59 PM
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You can definitely vet before fucking mate
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:57 PM
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And lastly you’re telling me to take the red pill yet you said I agreed with a lot of the points I argued with and how that was bad but you’re red pill, the very thing I was criticizing???
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:43 PM
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I listed what I deem immoral in my post. I think some things are objectively immoral like lying for your personal gain. Cheating does not equal “seeing monogamy differently” even in non monogamous relationships there is trust and openness involved which are opposites to what happens in cheating. Let’s do an experiment, share the links of 5 people in this post who didn’t get what I meant. Who am I dehumanizing? Who have a slut shamed?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:42 PM
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In a shorter way of saying it, you’re hamstering
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:36 PM
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I didn’t call gay people “people I don’t agree with” I meant that as women who I wouldn’t fuck due to immorality. There was only one other person who was confused mate. And she put her own hate onto me by saying well “you implied this” rather than reading the contents of my post. Nope. That’s what you’re doing. You’ve put more words in my mouth rather than just saying you had a wrong assumption and that I don’t agree with the things I’m criticizing. You moved the goal post 3 different times and …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:31 PM
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Explain how this is a mental gymnastic: You said men just wanna get their dick wet I applied that same logic as women also want sec with men who may not be the best ( as again this was a talk about not wanting to get with immoral people) I then brought up that red pill men seem to bash women for having sex with these men and accidentally having a kid. Yet based off of your reply men also fuck women who are immoral So i then ask you the difference and your only defense was to deflect
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:05 PM
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I disagree and agree. Red pill men are starting to make this a moral thing when they talk about how women are ruining the west Yes he could raise a child that’s not his but lineage is higher level in terms of needs in a person. Someone could live without a lineage. If you’re in a position where you rely on another and they cheat and leave you you not only lost an actual need (money leading to food, shelter, water and the same for your kids) but now you also can again face a higher likelihood of …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:20 PM
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Both are existential. In this scenario if he is the breadwinner this changes her whole life . She will have to scramble for a job, she may have STDs (which women can pick up easier than men), then she will have to deal with a kid who is wondering why mom is having to stress more to give her the same life her dad can get despite the fact that he was unfaithful. And to those men I kinda ask what’s the point? Like they will end up unhappy anyways. I agree with you on the last part. And let me add, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:06 PM
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Hang on stop. You’re assuming a lot and even by the tone of this post I’m criticizing the red pill and the notion that men are superior and have better cognitive functioning. I don’t struggle with women hence my flair. Never said I would only find a person who matches my morals 100% but from my post I made it clear the ideas that “women will always cheat, women will leave if you show sadness” is not morals I’d compromise on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:03 PM
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Me equating women to children is a red pill talking point not mine. Lol you don’t have to be gay to not fuck immoral women. My argument is that people don’t fit neatly in boxes and trying to do so absolve them of horrible actions if committed. I don’t subscribe to a pill lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:53 PM
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It could alter her life with STDs, crazy drama, or even him leaving her with nothing for the other woman. All of which are still very life altering and trauma inducing. Then what’s the point of wanting a cold pragmatic relationship? I’ve seen red pill men say that women will cheat them out of money in a divorce but if that’s all they bring to the table they really can’t complain
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:51 PM
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I would agree they are grifters if even the old books of the red pill “the rational male” didn’t talk about how women are this and that. I think on paper many believe that yes woman want a man with money and yes some people will wrong you in dating. But I think the red pill takes that to an extreme and ascribe it to “female nature”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:43 PM
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Eh that depends as well. The good ol “pool boy and SAHM” stories often show women can cheat for variety as well. I agree red pillers tend to generalize and are stuck in a feedback loop when it comes to their experiences. And then maybe leverage isn’t the right word. And being a provider ( to me personally) seems to be used in a since of “well I pay for this so she better not leave”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:41 PM
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Yet many red pill content creators talk about women’s character and accountability If that’s the case then why do men on average cheat more? It seems like the type of women these guys meet and then say “all women are like that” If you need leverage in dating either someone needs to up their game or they are aiming for control which landed them that person in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:28 PM
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You said men don’t care about morals but getting their dick wet. I said isn’t that what the red pill often clown single moms for. That they didn’t vet well and due to an accident now they have a child with someone horrible
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:27 PM
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Yet many red pill content creators talk about women’s character and accountability
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:24 PM
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Sometimes I’d say the same for men. It’s why we have incels
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:22 PM
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Being a single parent and fucking people who are crazy, abusive etc
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:22 PM
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I agree with that. But sticking your dick I. Crazy isn’t vetting
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 11:00 AM
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And a simple “no” which could be taught and seems to be happening in Gen Z is legit the only power needed
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:46 AM
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We see it when women even get upset that a man won’t pay for them, is “sassy” for saying “nah I’m not gonna take that” etc They will indirectly use red pill talking points
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:44 AM
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Yet these same men seem to blame or dislike single mothers for those same actions
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:43 AM
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Ngl this sounds like a long winded way of saying “they do talk about it” while saying they don’t
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:41 AM
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It’s less about the power and more about men thinking that sex is a need so they’ll do anything to get it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:39 AM
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My issue with this argument is that if they get that woman pregnant then they have a kid with a crazy ass woman. It’s the same shit red pillers get on women for. “You didn’t vet better”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:38 AM
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Yes because it’s under a very different context. With work at more things are surface level. Meanwhile even if you spend less time with your partner there’s way more intimacy So doesn’t really hold up
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:21 AM
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Coworkers are different than life partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:12 AM
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You can date up in terms of looks. And because often a lot of the red pill beliefs they have about women can easily be found in men as well. Which for me kinda destroys their whole point
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:46 AM
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I can agree with your statement. But I believe many men just aren’t taught better self control skills due to “you’re a man you’re supposed to fuck” And yet these same men complain about the character of the women they fuck as if they don’t gratify these women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:10 AM
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That’s still hypergamy though
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:05 AM
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I legit got called gay for “expecting a woman to act like a man” But it’s simply me saying “why not go for a woman who has better morals and isn’t likely to cheat due to one dude having money” and saying that I’d rather stay single then
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:20 AM
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Then sure I guess don’t believe what I’m saying just like what I’m saying is based in science rather than personal beliefs
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:14 AM
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And again, why would I want to have a surplus of women if I don’t like them on a moral level? What’s the point of surrounding yourself with trash?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:09 AM
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The woman is mocking me? The one I said in my post that she is wanting me back as we speak and making fake numbers because I was smart enough to say “nah ain’t dealing with it”?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:08 AM
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I mean I can show you my certificate. One of us actually has to be a man and not be afraid of women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:06 AM
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11A mos
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:05 AM
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I’ve lived in bad neighborhoods. It’s something talked about within the black community and yes I’ve seen and know these people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:05 AM
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Move on with my life??? Like any sane person
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:04 AM
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Nah bro. I’m in the army. Legit deal with more than thinking every woman is out to get me
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:03 AM
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I’m not flabbergasted. I did the work to realize not all women are like this rather than sulking which it seems you all do sadly
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:02 AM
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I mean you have yet to have anything to go against what I’m saying other than getting pissed lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:02 AM
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So what about the times where women stay with broke men over a man with money and goals?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:59 AM
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Brother I can do my job and also seek out someone who is worth it rather than trying to get scraps and fuck everything in sight cause “I need it”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:58 AM
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So again… you don’t even follow red pill thoughts then. That’s not needing it. That’s saying “I need it to be happy not to be alive” Sure I can work on that when you recognize you were wrong in saying “ all women make themselves sex objects” Your all or nothing thinking is literally tearing down your arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:57 AM
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So you agree hypergamy is in both men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:56 AM
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It’s a very recent phenomenon due to again, economic issues and more women going through college. And source for the 3 countries? Cause if it’s mainly countries in which women hold the same rights then we have again a winner in my logic Those are relevant yet when we talk about hypergamy we must be talking about people who aren’t the average as again people date within their tax bracket You told me the key word “when” I don’t think you realize how insecure it is to automatically assume your part…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:55 AM
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I don’t subscribe to being a provider. But based on you saying that any kind of weakness and a woman can leave you doesn’t that mean her having to pay half the bills she will see you as weak when another man can? Will you die if you don’t have sex? So you said all women choose to be sex objects but nuns are women that you acknowledged are not trying to be sexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:45 AM
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Uh if it’s the person imma be dating, morals is the number one thing I’m gonna be focused on. Do you hear yourself??
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:42 AM
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So a failed relationship is evident of the red pill. What about many people who still get cheated on while following the red pill? So my method of “if she isn’t what I like I won’t date her” is not acknowledging the world lol? Yet you will change for women’s desires? That sounds less like being a man and more like what the red pill describes as feminine
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:41 AM
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The outcomes don’t align with you either. Most date within their tax bracket. Men are definitely hypergamous in terms of relationships. Let’s look at some people. A lot of millionaires that are men don’t look the best but have model women. Why is that? Why not get the average Becky from Starbucks? How is thinking that your partner will cheat or leave you for better better for your mental health. On average that’ll just create self fulfilling prophecy. Women were hypergamous in terms of survival.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:39 AM
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Idk I got a notification from your comment
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:32 AM
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Me?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:31 AM
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If it’s not about changing the world what do you say about all the women who stuck with a broke man even when a better man came along? Even to her detriment? Who is trying to create lift? Am I also not acknowledging the world? They say that because of how men won’t put their foot down ie “happy wife happy life”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:31 AM
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I agree with that notion. Too many weirdos for kids to be introduced to. But the problem is it’s never standards about their kids but more so wanting the life of an IG model. Which again is their right but to blame another group and call them names for your choices is insane
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:29 AM
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I don’t see how that belief deals with my post
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:27 AM
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And men who get hurt by one woman and think all women will trade up on them don’t make men emotional?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:26 AM
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Being a provider is one of the tenets of red pill now in terms of long term relationships. You don’t need sex. How are women unintelligent when they graduate college more than men? So a nun is a sex object?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:25 AM
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It’s a form of “this person hurt me so I’m gonna close myself off and believe they all will do this” For one it’s harmful to that man and is more in line with being spineless to me as me personally I’d just move onto another woman rather than deal with one you believe is likely to cheat. And another is yes it’s allowing women to behave that way and say “I’m just a girl”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:24 AM
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I’d say it’s both. Because then you’d have swarm of people saying “you only say that because you hate women” when in reality I’d say that to an incel who hates women and Is fat with no achievements wanting a model and other men propping him up. The accountability part is blaming another group for you decisions. And yes i hard agree with you that it’s a form of “self rejection” after being hurt too many times. The idea is “can’t reject me if I reject myself” which is said because they do deserve …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:23 AM
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Another of their own kind?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:18 AM
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So you finna fuck some people that you don’t agree with on a moral level?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:17 AM
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Then why do we see most red pill content creators talking about women and accountability? And what truths are these? Cause most of the behaviors that is described men also do and fall prey to
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:16 AM
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It may not have gotten to you but for many here it seems to have. I didn’t say I agreed with any of those and you even said “it’s giving” implying you were reading my post with the assumption I agreed with these behaviors rather than seeing what I’m saying. It seems like you took the title which is just an attention grab to mean I believe these things
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:14 AM
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If I say it it’s more like SOME women don’t seem to recognize double standards. For example wanting a rich man while you’re broke and have 4 kids and blaming men for men not wanting to pay for extreme things for them. I think that’s one of the times I’d personally use that saying. Not to say that woman can’t have those standards but it’s also to say “you’re being unrealistic and blaming men for you destroying your dating life”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:12 AM
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Yet my entire post is saying how ridiculous this belief is and how it’s not really productive of anything. From a dating standpoint to a societal standpoint
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:10 AM
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Seems we agree on those two points. But when you say how women act in the dating market, what specific actions are you thinking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:09 AM
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It’s just a saying that I see used very often that I’m pushing back on
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:08 AM
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So we are saying hypergamy is simply dating up correct? Wouldn’t that mean that men also date up in terms of attractiveness? Making men hypergamous? TRP doesn’t teach you how to get around it hence “she’s not yours it’s just your turn” . I didn’t say red pillers created these beliefs but rather they are ascribing to it and wouldn’t that push women to do these behaviors more if they know there isn’t a negative outcome? Sex can be great but again why have sec with a group of people who you know do…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:07 AM
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You read way too much into my post rather than asking me if I believe in these beliefs. And no I believe some women get away with these behaviors due to men not actually saying “no I’m not about to deal with this shit”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:04 AM
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A lot of them say women will be quick to leave you for another man. I’d say their beliefs make this more likely and honestly they are the ones not holding women accountable
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:03 AM
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I would agree with this notion if most red pillers never said anything about “women and accountability” Also what’s women’s behavior? Cause a lot of the behavior they describe I can also point out in plenty of men. What does it say?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:02 AM
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The same with fresh and fit. Like a lot of these dudes are just weirdos
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:00 AM
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Then for that very reason they are self selecting for the women they talk about rather than getting into healthy relationships with healthy women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:58 AM
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No I can agree with that. Some of Ams’ takes were a little out there for me but most are great advice
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:57 AM
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Yes. Name one part where I said “women don’t take accountability” rather than “men are letting women get away with horrible behavior”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:55 AM
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If you read my post I’m talking about men who do absolve those women of their issues and not saying every woman is absolved.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:52 AM
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To me this is like when feminist say “that’s not a true feminist this is” Ams was when the red pill made a bit of sense. Now? It’s definitely off the rails
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:51 AM
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I’m not sure if you’re agreeing with me or not
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:49 AM
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On paper it’s not about women taking accountability. But how many times have we seen a lot of red pill influencers talk about women and accountability and “thats why you should treat them like a child or they are less logical”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:48 AM
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If a woman is a woman why is it any different from this country to the next? And couldn’t the same be said about men as men more often kill women and also try to use women for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:05 AM
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What is considered a woman in your eyes then? Because again if you can’t trust a woman that you’re with what’s the point in being with one?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 11:52 PM
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Yo I’m sick of women with this. You want men to treat this issues with seriousness when it happens to you all but when a man says it happened to them it’s “well women face that” I didn’t say otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 11:40 PM
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If that’s the case then I’d rather not date a woman and I’m not sure why you would either. Women often kill children more due to being around children more. This isn’t to say women have issues with men opening up, but if that’s your world view then honestly I feel more sorry for you than I. I will heal from this but if you believe an entire group of people ante able to be trust man that’s sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 11:39 PM
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Yep. Now I’m being told she always loves me and that life was just stressful.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 11:27 PM
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Tf do you mean they are not like men. You expect to be cheated on when your mom dies???
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 11:17 PM
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It’s a personal story. I watched my mom take her last breaths as cancer finally got to her meanwhile a girl I was dating was as getting pipped by a man almost 20 years older and than had the nerve to threaten me with a gun when I said I was gonna tell the other guy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 11:09 PM
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Imagine cheating on a guy a month after his mom died of cancer and screaming that he’s selfish for wanting to leave and move on??? Make this make sense???
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 10:58 PM
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I mean you’re hear so you must be into the red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:53 AM
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That same logic, if you watched a video about the Diddy trial you’re a fan of Diddy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:45 AM
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Don’t follow it. I just watched a 15 minute video on her downfall or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:42 AM
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Gen Z thing
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:37 AM
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She’s like a woman that preaches “you should have men and everyone obsessed with you and that’s why I’m better” and ended up getting cheated on while pregnant
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:37 AM
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Q4W: Do you still support the wizard Liz? And if so would you be upset at a man using her same principles minus the gold digging aspect?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:07 AM
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I can get it but I don’t get why women will switch up and get mad when many call like it is and saying he is basically paying for affection and she’s like an escort
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 01:55 PM
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I’ve had a girl match with me saying something like “you’re cute for a short dude, I guess I can give it a shot” And act like it was a drag that I was short and got mad when I ended it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 01:53 PM
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It’s the classic isolation vs intimacy idea from psychology. Some people get hurt and try to withdraw and create false versions of themselves to “keep” love and validation and a partner who doesn’t align with them but just manipulation rather than being your honest self and facing rejection upright instead of months later trying to hold on to someone who probably isn’t a good fit. But since many are fearing rejection and isolating themselves they end up putting on a false self and creating dysfu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 09:26 AM
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Commodifying dating has got to be the worse thing that came about in my generation. This goes for men and women. For men they want an obsessed maid that they can fuck and women want a slave it seems
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 09:20 AM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 09:01 AM
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You can tell when women are promiscuous. When women become comfortable around you and heard they will let things slip our outright tell you
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 09:00 AM
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As a short man I’ll disagree on that mainly as I’ve seen women make comments about it and men applaud me tbh. But we just probably see different things
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 08:54 AM
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Can’t find the comment in which you say “only as far as sex” Regardless my point still stands on why men will see promiscuity as that way and see it as a dealbreaker. Even if it’s just sex or comparing sex that can have consequences on the relationship and men will see that and not want to be with a woman like that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 08:51 AM
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I agree. The reason I gave those three factors as they all feed into each other and is often seen as justifications on why they feel that a man’s money=validation and how basically being a glorified escort is empowering
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 08:48 AM
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I’d say it does. You said it was insecurity of not measuring up. Based on what we can see either these people are judging their partners based on past partners or there seems to be other issues at play (which could be mental illness) Not sure if it’s insecurity or men going “hey this never goes well I don’t think I want her as my partner”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 08:44 AM
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However in terms of dating we do have data that shows people with many partners (men and women) often have lower happiness rates in relationships and more prone to break ups and divorces
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 08:41 AM
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I’m not sure it’s a jealousy thing. Some men don’t partake in hookup culture and some want to and can’t. For the men that can’t id agree but others just don’t like meaningless sex
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 08:38 AM
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Honestly good take
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 08:37 AM
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I can agree. I feel like we can break the cause of this down by a few factors: Economic like you described Cultural 3 political Political as some bad apples of feminism trying to find their “divine feminine” by having a man pay for their presence which for some takes a way a negative connotation of it all. Cultural as a lot of countries are becoming more individualistic. Meaning whoever gets the most money by any means wins for some. Economic you stated pretty will
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 08:36 AM
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Q4W: Why is it that women who are online feel that a man’s dollars =love and validation? Why doesn’t that make them feel paid for? How can something like that make them feel appreciated when it’s almost glorified prostitution? ( And I don’t mean dates but crazy amounts of spending on women)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 08:24 AM
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I love to debate but ngl this sub makes me lose brain cells so I stick to posting in this part. I wanna talk more about other things rather than gender as I’m slowly caring less and less about thay
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 03:32 PM
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It’s not that they put all men on a pedestal. It’s more like most men are not noticeable to them (same for men) but when they do date men, they put that man on a pedestal and when he ends up shitty or not being perfect they blame it on all men. I see them de centering men as a way of them fixing that tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 03:12 PM
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Constantly hating men or talking about men this and men that honestly shows they still put them on a pedestal. Normally these are the same women that get way too invested in a new relationship and get hurt, bend over backwards for men who are probably shitty, and just be 100% down bad. It’s the same for a lot of men here tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 03:05 PM
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That’s a good thing. But this brings me to the question of women here who believe that. Why be in a debate subreddit about these issues if you decenter them?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 03:01 PM
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Idk I think that’s something that can really be measured accurately and too many variables
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 03:01 PM
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So some seem to think “decenter men means not caring about them and also hating them” it seems but I’ve seen way healthier versions on average of women just wanting to live their life without talking about men constantly good or bad. Hell that’s something I feel like men could learn tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 03:00 PM
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That’s what they claim. That a lot of women center men and honestly I think they do in ways
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 02:40 PM
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Seems like women are saying they will stop putting men on a pedestal. Some even tell other women to stop constantly talking about how men are this and that and just live their life
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 02:14 PM
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Honestly I’ve been fucking with the whole “decenter men” thing. I think a lot of women would really benefit from that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 02:07 PM
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Thank you I knew there had to be a name for it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 01:01 PM
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I agree wholeheartedly
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 12:17 AM
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Lol ok
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 10:23 PM
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Oh yeah. I be needing 3 to get through the day
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 09:56 PM
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Agree wholeheartedly
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 09:13 PM
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Oh shit thanks man
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 08:05 PM
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Honestly I like that answer
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:54 PM
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True but maybe I’m not giving enough of a chance is the thought process
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:53 PM
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Fair and yeah I’ve been in therapy for like 7 months afterwards
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:50 PM
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Wasn’t trashy at first and then became one of the worst people I ever met. Just mentally ill
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:46 PM
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I’ve been trying. Guess I ain’t ready tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:41 PM
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No like I had an ex cheat on me a month after my mom died of cancer and hold a loaded gun me and the tried to commit suicide
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:40 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:40 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:38 PM
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I have. Been 7 long months of therapy, reading, and just trying figure myself out. I feel like I should be ready but idk
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:33 PM
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It’s been like 7 months though. I feel like I should be fine now
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:32 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:32 PM
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Not that it ruins my attraction. More so its me thinking “I don’t wanna be put in a position where I could be severely hurt again”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:32 PM
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Yeah idk. This has been recent after I had an ex cheat a month after my mom died of cancer and hold a gun up to me and put it to her head when I found out That’s why. I was never like this before
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:27 PM
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Yeah idk. This has been recent after I had an ex cheat a month after my mom died of cancer and hold a gun up to me and put it to her head when I found out
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:25 PM
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Problem is I’m wondering if I’m going too far after a previous abusive relationship. Like a pendulum swinging too far if that makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:24 PM
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It could be things like a person starting to respond way longer. Like if we were hot and heavy but now it’s taking hours or a day I just block I don’t even get to the serious red flags anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:21 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:20 PM
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I don’t mean blocking on this subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:18 PM
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Q4All: At what point am I not giving a people a chance for red flags? I’m at the point of now if I see one I just block and call it a day?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:14 PM
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Personally I do better on apps
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:12 PM
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Nah my moms dead
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:11 PM
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Honestly same
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:02 PM
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Yeah I’ve seen some dudes cheat and think “with what your fucking hand” they were so ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:01 PM
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You want to be married?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 06:50 PM
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Do you have to pay for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 06:50 PM
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That’s definitely not what he’s saying
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 06:45 PM
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So you feel like women get hate for saying something hateful about men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 06:44 PM
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Ah, yes a trend of this behavior rising? Yes I see it more in women, however you made a point to say “see men do this” and I never said men don’t. But I do see men being banned, held accountable, blacklisted etc
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 06:28 PM
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Saying “I think French fries are gross” doesn’t mean that I don’t think all other foods are gross
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 06:25 PM
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Never did say it was unique to women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 06:22 PM
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So you aren’t arguing anything right now
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 06:21 PM
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I definitely agree that it’s not all people mind you. The silent majority being loud is the issue with this. But often times no women don’t go to jail for it and actually in DV accounts, charges don’t need to be pressed due to the complicated nature of DV if it’s caught though
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 06:16 PM
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Honestly I think you said what I said better as I’m Cracked out on 3 Red Bulls tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 06:08 PM
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How does that negate what I’ve said?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 06:07 PM
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So as a counselor, you don’t feel that many women are increasing in hateful language towards men and that it won’t make a negative impact?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 06:06 PM
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I do see it. And the men that say it are made fun of a thousand times over
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 06:03 PM
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That was an example lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:58 PM
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I agree with what you said. However, I’ve seen a lot of men say “hey this isn’t a gendered issue as I and many have faced these issues” and that’s when they get upset which I think isn’t fair as a good chunk of these things aren’t only women’s issues
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:56 PM
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Except the problem is feminism doesn’t actively do anything towards these women who say these things. We even have some self proclaimed feminist calling men brokies for not wanting to pay for them and calling men gay for any perceived thing they don’t like. You can call out men (which has been happening) and call out women which hasn’t been happening
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:54 PM
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In that case by going to therapy and fixing yourself. In the case of women defending the actions of other shitty people holding them accountable is saying “hey that’s fucked up”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:37 PM
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Sure, your premise fails when it comes to the point that there’s many schools of thought when it comes to feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:36 PM
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I’ve seen women say that but also turn around and make fun of said men. We have got to point that fact out.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:29 PM
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This was in response to a woman beating a man in an airport. The rest were saying “reactive abuse” yet have no idea about the situation
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:28 PM
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It’s why I haven’t came back here for a year trust me I onow
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:27 PM
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<image> This is women saying that Johnny Depp was the perpetrator as the legal system was out to get her
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:26 PM
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Imagine if a man said “well why didn’t she push him off”?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:23 PM
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I mean… that’s not a bad thing either wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:22 PM
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I’m asking a simple question lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:18 PM
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I do but I’m asking a question
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:16 PM
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Are you familiar with “and who set that system up”?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:14 PM
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Because instead of engaging and honestly using critical thinking this is what you try to do very odd
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:12 PM
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Top comments are asking if she’s ok in almost all
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:11 PM
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To everyone. As a society we have to collectively work alongside. I say this to men who say “well what was she wearing”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:09 PM
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I’ve never seen anything close to
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:09 PM
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As a matter of fact how are they held accountable?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:07 PM
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By getting lesser sentences even when they commit the crimes? Or by social media not banning women for saying those but sure you got it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:07 PM
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Sure and I answered the question in another post since that seems to be the only thing yall can go for now what else to invalidate the post
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:06 PM
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The man? That’s obvious. I never said they “advocate for not being held accountable” rather that they don’t hold themselves accountable
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:05 PM
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“women who hit men, wont take no for an answer, make fun of male victims of abuse or r*pe, vandalism, etc.” Once again
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:04 PM
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<image> This one is laughing and you say it’s not laughing at them? Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:03 PM
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And I said BEING TOLD THESE THINGS ARENT OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:02 PM
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“women who hit men, wont take no for an answer, make fun of male victims of abuse or r*pe, vandalism, etc.” Second paragraph in the post. The rest I literally just answered
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:02 PM
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“women who hit men, wont take no for an answer, make fun of male victims of abuse or r*pe, vandalism,” Is what they should be held accountable for as some women do these things. I legit think yall came in this post, didn’t read, and got pissed
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:00 PM
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“Accountability for what?- horrible behavior. First sentence and also later with examples “In what way are they accountable?”- I said “make fun of male victims of abuse or r*pe, vandalism,” Stop being obtuse
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:59 PM
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Since yall don’t wanna read, they are escaping it either due to their belief that men can only be perpetrators or mental illness
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:57 PM
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<image>
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:56 PM
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I’ll answer the last two since those aren’t the only things answered: They need to be called out and told how those things are wrong They should be held accountable by men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:52 PM
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I can agree with that but that doesn’t negate anything I’ve said
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:51 PM
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Post it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:50 PM
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Read the actual post and you’ll find all the answers
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:38 PM
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Water is wet
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:30 PM
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This “girls girl” kinda cult mentality is getting weirder by the day
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 11:48 AM
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Depending on how long ago that is. I’m currently in and imma say depends
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:59 PM
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He’s not wrong tbh. In the army you see more dudes willing to go to war than speak to a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:49 PM
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Touch grass
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 05:29 PM
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Bruh it was an abusive relationship???
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 10:21 AM
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Who went insane?? I never saw a prostitute
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 10:12 AM
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The whole situation is just bad enough. I’ve gotten threatened over “ if I say anything about what she’s done” with a gun to me
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 04:18 AM
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She had herpes. Not curable
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 04:15 AM
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It’s not a concern anymore, I have to deal with the fact she could’ve given me a permanent disease, cheated after my mom died, threatened me with a gun etc
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 04:11 AM
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It was. She was randomly getting them when she already had some wild ones which was my point beforehand
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 03:03 AM
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Many just don’t want to get into it here. Biggest one was her still taking care of her ex’s kid
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 02:59 AM
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Lol fair
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 02:52 AM
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Which I didn’t yet everyone here had there stupid ass opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 02:46 AM
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I remember long ago people shat on me for wanting to get rid of a girl I was dating cause she was getting too many tattoos, well come to find out she cheated on me a month after my mom died, threatened me with a gun and herself cause I found out and said she was gonna tell people I raped someone who raped me as a kid. Everyone who called me all these names for me not wanting to continue the relationship piss me off at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 02:26 AM
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What is your passion then?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 08:18 PM
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I’m trying to figure out if you should only do your passion and what not
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 08:17 PM
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Q4All: Are you currently working at a job that is your passion or a job that you may not like but pays well?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 08:11 PM
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Then why not protest for that form of abortion. I agree with what you said but my question stands
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 09:14 AM
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I mean I’m down to argue and understand your point if you actually gave one. If you don’t wanna answer the question then im confused on why you even replied
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 08:13 AM
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And you have no argument than insults and resulted in arguing like a 4 year old. Gotcha
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 08:10 AM
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Cause it doesn’t affect me at all
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 08:05 AM
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Had all and still don’t care. Honestly I haven’t seen many advocating for men’s issues so I agree but regardless doesn’t help me care
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 08:03 AM
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How does me saying I don’t care = me being against it?In no way can that be interpreted that way unless you want to see it that way. That’s like me saying “ I don’t care for Waffle House, I can eat it or not so why do you prefer it” and you see that as “you must hate Waffle House” It’s silly
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 07:19 AM
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I’ve said it. But then you are saying “so you’re actually saying this” that is deciding my stance. I’ve thought about the pros and cons and that’s it. That doesn’t mean I care. I think about the pros and cons of getting McDonald’s dude
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 07:13 AM
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So you’re gonna decide my stance for me even though I clearly said my stance? Not very pro choice but alright
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 07:10 AM
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I’d argue against people who are against. Yet none have argued. Just pro abortion people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 07:06 AM
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They also limit those of us who try to get out of this positions. They go for people who are just starting to build wealth like landlords, they indirectly hit people with mom and pop shops etc
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:46 AM
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Most politicians say that for black people. They never really act on it nor does it help with my race
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:42 AM
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Yep. Senators are part of that my guy. The judicial gave that power to the legislative Are you asking questions or actually trying to debate and give me something to work with or prove I’m wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:35 AM
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And id still say they can abort said baby if the risk of the woman dying or the child having defects is high. There can be a medical threshold for that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:34 AM
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Legit yes. That means the checks and balances work.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:32 AM
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We have the legit most now. If they don’t like it they can move to another state. That is freedom
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:28 AM
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I don’t care if it’s legal or not
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:24 AM
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So why vote for them if you find them annoying?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:23 AM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:20 AM
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Nah I think imma vote. Liberals are insufferable
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:19 AM
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Nah they’ll figure it out
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:11 AM
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Nah I’m having a good time
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:10 AM
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Then go to a state where they can have abortions. It takes like 4 hours to get to another state. Also the women around me I’d say need to actually be more careful with sex if it’s unplanned since they can contract diseases more frequently
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:10 AM
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Bruh what?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:06 AM
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Quote where I said anything about punishment. Red herring
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:04 AM
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Condoms and birth control have a 1.6% chance of pregnancy. Regardless I’d take care of the child
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:02 AM
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I can see that but not the net positive. At best neutral
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:55 AM
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So why not fight for medical abortions? Rather than just abortions as a whole? And nah bro. Condoms plus birth control. Chilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:39 AM
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Shit if it was that urgent I’m not sure some would even make it anyway. Especially if they couldn’t afford the ride to another state. Look at how much an ambulance costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:34 AM
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Cause said people also say we should care so I’m asking
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:34 AM
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I wouldn’t but if I did again I’d find a way to take care of them cause apparently I wasn’t cautious
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:33 AM
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Then be more careful
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:33 AM
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They can’t take a 4 hour ride to another state…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:32 AM
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I’d take care of it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:31 AM
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They can by just legit visiting another state
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:31 AM
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But they could also be the person who makes life worth living for some
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:29 AM
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I already don’t… I legit said I don’t. I’m trying to see why some say “it will affect them too they just haven’t realized it yet”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:29 AM
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Don’t care about them
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:25 AM
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Not voting but if I would it would be for trump
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:22 AM
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Q4 All: Why should I as a man care about abortion?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:21 AM
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Tell me how it’ll affect me
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 04:29 AM
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Honestly I’m not sure. It hasn’t been done in a while it seems
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 04:28 PM
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Nah that’s what I’m asking for
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 04:20 PM
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That’s true but that’s true with all surveys. That’s all we got
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 06:54 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/psychologyofsex/s/1eUBRJH3TM
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 06:30 AM
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Do we have a new demographic study for this subreddit? I’m curious to see how it’s changed
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 06:27 AM
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