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Question For WomenNoRefrigerator267/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 11:22 PM
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Question For WomenNoRefrigerator267/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 11:28 PM
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Question For WomenNoRefrigerator267/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 05:46 AM
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Question For WomenNoRefrigerator267/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 09:17 PM
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NoRefrigerator267/r/ExRedPill28/11/24 02:56 AM
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Question For WomenNoRefrigerator267/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:54 AM
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Question For WomenNoRefrigerator267/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 06:09 AM
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Question For WomenNoRefrigerator267/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 11:05 PM
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NoRefrigerator267/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 02:42 AM
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In your experience, is this something any guy can do if he puts the work in? Like, there weren’t factors in that mindblowing sex that you have to be born with lol, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:23 AM
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The thing that frustrates me about these kind of arguments is that they don’t seem to be necessary lol. What I mean is that as long as we believe that sex is something that can be improved upon, I feel like you’ll get to being the “best” at some point in the relationship as long as you put the work in lol. Right? Marry the man/woman who’s good in a relationship and who you’re attracted to, and then improve on the other stuff. Also, in this scenario, I feel like the only reason I’d want to know w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:58 AM
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How much do you think being 6’3 has helped you with women (coming from a guy who’s 5’7, but might get a bit taller when he loses weight and fixes his posture)?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:32 AM
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How are you defining “short” tho? At what height does it become attractive/unattractive? Are you saying women want guys who are just “tall” in general, like they all want 6’5 guys, or just taller than them? I’m a 5’7 dude (maybe 5’9 when I lose weight and fix my posture) and I’ll admit that this stuff gets to me. It makes me feel like I just “can’t” be considered physically attractive. And the crazy thing is, I’m not mad at anyone, I’m just confused. I don’t have a problem with my height. I don’…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:44 PM
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What height do you think the line is at that separates desirable and undesirable? As in, what’s the shortest desirable height, in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:33 PM
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They don’t mean literally crazy when they say “feral”. It’s just having lust for your partner. Wanting to jump their bones. Something you’d do if your partner was really physically attractive to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:01 PM
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I can’t, for the life of me, understand why people decided to group men and women into two categories- for example, apparently men grouped women into the categories of hot but crazy, and average (I guess?) but “normal”. I just don’t get it. It does not seem impossible to find a partner who you both find hot and is not insane lmao. A bit of an extra point, but as a dude who is more affected by this, women seem to have grouped guys into either “hot and bad partner” or “ugly/average and great partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:43 PM
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Even though the average size is 5.5?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:51 PM
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But I mean, a woman can be hot without being well-endowed, right? So why can’t a dude be hot without being, say, tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:41 PM
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I understand fiction, but it’s also interesting that most of the ”hot guys” seem to have similar traits. I’m not talking about being a vampire or whatever lol, but they’re always, for example, tall. I wonder if you could have a hot guy in, say, the average height range, cuz it doesn’t seem like it’s a popular fantasy (I could be wrong tho).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:33 PM
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Why does it seem like these books imply that women only find one type of guy “super hot”? I’m not gonna say that they’re all the same, but it seems like most of the men have similar attributes. If a guy has to have those attributes to be super hot, most guys are shit out of luck lol, which is pretty depressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:29 PM
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You’re not wrong, but my issue is that it seems like there’s a ton of different types of women in, say, porn. But “attractive men in romance novels” seems to only be (more or less) one type of guy. Like, im around 5’7, and I don’t have an issue with that, but when women’s fantasies seem to almost always have a guy being tall, I’ll admit that it sometimes gets to me. Like I “can’t” be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:25 PM
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I totally get that, but I don’t understand why it seems to be only one type of guy who’s able to give that to her, you know? Like, I feel like a shorter guy (or just a guy who isn’t tall) could do the same stuff, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:19 PM
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But are they who the women you know actually desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:04 AM
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You think a guy can be attractive to women if he isn’t tall (spoken as a 5’7 dude, tho maybe taller when I lose weight and fix my posture)?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:58 AM
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Also, are you talking about taller “than them” or a desire for someone 6’5 (tall in general)?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:28 AM
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I mean, wouldn’t the “perfect man” be kinda subjective? Is every woman’s perfect man gonna be tall with a big dick? I feel like some women might desire something different, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:26 AM
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What if you aren’t really girthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:21 AM
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I feel like every time size comes up, women talk about how girth is better than length (even though I’d say they both go under “size”). Now it’s just two things to be insecure about lmao. Seriously tho, what do you even do if you don’t have a good girth (whatever that even is)?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:21 AM
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Yeah, I feel like 7-8 is usually what people mean by “too big” lol. There are barely any 9s out there, I’d say.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:17 AM
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I mean, a 7 inch dick on a fat guy is pretty much gonna look like a 5 incher lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:03 AM
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This kinda thing worries me in a way, because I start to wonder if I’ve been so insecure about absolutely nothing lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:58 AM
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Is it better if a guy is bigger and does know how to use it, tho?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:56 AM
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How do you even know if you have “good girth” as a guy, tho? And what should you do if you don’t have it? Sounds depressing if you’re a guy with a normal dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:55 AM
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I always thought of big as just referring to both. Then it got frustrating when women said that size doesn’t matter, girth matters lol because that’s size. And it’s now just two separate things to be insecure about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:53 AM
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From what I understand, you also get limited in certain positions if you’re on the larger side lol so you kinda just gotta work with what you’ve got
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:51 AM
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Does a “Chad” have to be tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:45 AM
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Does a “Chad” have to be tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:45 AM
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Isn’t it ideal that a woman lust after her partner, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:58 AM
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What if he had other stuff going for him? Is 5’9 (or certain height close to that) really that bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:38 AM
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Wait, how are (I assume this is what you were referring to) providing for your family and being loyal beta qualities?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:47 AM
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To what extent is height a part of (or synonymous with) attractiveness? Like, a guy has to be 6’4-ish to even be considered physically attractive? Or just taller than the woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:16 AM
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How do you know if they’re sexually talented, though? Is it just based on size?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:53 PM
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Do you think that this kind of situation leads to the sex life suffering in a relationship? Disregarding the feelings and emotions involved in that event, I’m moreso talking about the fact that the prior hookups were with guys who were so much more physically attractive (and perhaps, bigger and better in bed). Would that not end up being an issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:15 AM
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Do you think that a guy has to be tall to be masculine? I’m a 5’7 guy- is the argument that I just can’t be considered masculine? For the record, I know I’m masculine, and society can fuck off if it disagrees lol. I’m just curious what your specific argument about the situation was.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:47 AM
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I get your point, but why would women date people they aren’t attracted to? Seems like a recipe for a bad relationship (or something like that).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:54 AM
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How does a guy “change” if his main issue is his height? For the record, I’m not “short-short”, I’m 5’7 (but maybe 5’9 or so if I lose weight and fix my posture). And I have no issue with my height, it’s just that everyone else seems to lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 02:33 AM
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Can men “get hotter”? Even if they aren’t tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 06:14 AM
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What does it take for a woman to lust after a man? Does he have to be tall? Can a man “become” physically attractive to women- like by losing weight and getting fit or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 05:51 AM
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What do you think makes a man physically attractive to women, in your experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 05:43 AM
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How tall are you, tho? That seems to go a long way in whether women find you physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 11:29 PM
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Do you think a guy can improve himself and become physically attractive/hot? Like losing weight and getting fit and stuff like that? Also, how much does height matter? Can a guy be physically attractive if he isn’t tall? Would all of the physical improvements be meaningless if he isn’t tall? This is the main one that worries me because I’m 5’7 (although I think I could gain an inch or two if I lose weight and fix my posture).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 11:14 PM
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I think a lot of guys (myself included) also end up being confused by the fact that the “bad boys” are good for one night stands, but not for relationships, because that implies that they’re more physically attractive than “normal guys” or something. They may not have all the traits for being a good partner, but they seem to be better at being sexually attractive to women, which is frustrating because I’m sure “normal guys” want that, too.
/r/ExRedPill25/01/26 10:10 PM
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My issue with this is that isn’t attraction subjective? So how in the world does anyone know what a 6 is? Wouldn’t it vary by person? Also, I would be biased in ranking myself because I’d rank myself lower than what I probably “should be” lol. Also people in here say that if you’re shorter you’re automatically a low number, which as a 5’7 is depressing as hell and make it harder to even try to improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:53 PM
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What height do you have to be for it to stop fucking you over (as a dude who’s 5’7, but may gain an inch or two after losing weight and fixing posture lol)? Either way, this shit just makes me not even want to try. Too depressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:46 PM
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How tall are you? Just curious because I tend to wonder if muscles or being fit even matters if you aren’t tall (at least, in terms of myself and what I could accomplish, being 5’7).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 04:33 AM
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How much does height matter in that conversation (from a 5’7 guy)?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 04:30 AM
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How much does height fit into the equation, in your opinion? I’m a 5’7 guy and I’ve convinced myself that it’s impossible for me to “git good” because I still wouldn’t be tall and that’s what seems to matter lol (but seriously)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 04:19 AM
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Will getting in shape matter at all if you aren’t tall (I’m 5’7)?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 04:09 AM
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Why do you think dudes believe that in situations similar to this, the hookups would be more “primal” and have bigger dicks and shit like that compared to the husband? Admittedly, that is something I worry about (because of a fear of being settled for, probably). But if it’s bullshit, that’s great lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 03:22 AM
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What do you mean? Because I’m kinda like the other guy- I’m 5’7 and depressed over it lol. But I’d hope to actually become above average and attractive, if it’s at all possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 01:09 AM
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That makes sense, but also I’m 5’7 and if reddit has made me think anything, it’s that it would be impossible for me to make a woman feel feminine and protected, primarily because it relates to height. Is there a minimum height that you have to be in order to make women feel that way? Also it’s just insanely depressing to be reminded all the time that you aren’t anywhere close to any woman’s ideal man lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 12:32 AM
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The hurdle that always gets me is height. As a 5’7 guy, I’ve kind of internalized that even if I lost weight and got in shape and all of that, it wouldn’t matter because I’m not tall (even though if I lost weight and fixed my posture, I’d probably grow an inch or two lol). Do you think that what you’re saying would apply to me, as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 12:05 AM
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Is he tall? That seems to be a common theme.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 09:58 PM
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Does it also work if the guy isn’t tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 09:20 PM
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I wouldn’t say that I think they’d just want to sleep with a dude for being tall, but rather that if a shorter guy like myself did exactly the same stuff, it wouldn’t matter. Like, the height gets you over a hump lol. But I hope I’m wrong. Idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 09:18 PM
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How much do you think your height benefits you with this (coming from a 5’7 guy)? This is the primary reason I don’t try lmao because I’ve internalized that I’m truly fucked because of my height
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 09:15 PM
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Being attractive as a man is something you’re just born with? As in, you can’t improve anything at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 12:38 AM
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Can a man be considered “hot” and hookup material (I guess both categories, actually) if he isn’t tall (specifically in a range of 5’6-5’8, perhaps)?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 11:53 PM
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Can you have “sexual tension” as a guy without being tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:36 AM
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What I’ll say is that when men are put into these two categories for some reason (and it’s weirdly common, at least online), it seems like the two types of men are 1) the one she’s physically and sexually attracted to and is exciting and he’s the guy for hookups, and 2) the guy who’s more of a “good man” and a good partner and a guy to build a family with. Now, neither of these is an issue. My issue is why would you classify these as specifically two different men, you know? You’re shooting your…
/r/ExRedPill12/08/25 11:12 PM
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Do you think that a dude being shorter than you but athletic/fit would not have as much luck? It’s just so depressing to me that apparently women don’t think I could do any of this stuff because I was born “wrong” lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 02:28 AM
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How does height fit in there, tho? I don’t see how being tall is a trait a man “should have”, but maybe that’s just because I don’t have a problem with my short(er) height. And if you’re correct, how should shorter guys go about dating? Should they just stop? Especially if women are inherently going for traits that they can never get?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 02:10 AM
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When you say that the “bad boys” that PPD talks about aren’t actually bad, when you say that they’re attractive, does height fall under “attractive”? Is this specifically talking about dudes who around 6’4 or something, or can you be average height and have all those other traits and be a hit with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 01:14 AM
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Do you think a man’s height limits his attractiveness (or even potential attractiveness)? I find it difficult to do things to become more attractive or “hot” because I just think that me being on the shorter side would make it completely pointless lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 04:34 AM
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Is it even possible for a short(er) guy to be hot, or are you putting it up there in the “inherently unattractive” category?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 04:24 AM
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Isn’t attraction subjective, though? As in, some women probably find some of those “normal” guys hot, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 03:39 AM
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Okay, so, as a guy who doesn’t have different rules for different people and is extremely unattractive (in my opinion lol), if you’re confirming that women (and men) do this stuff, does that mean that I have to accept just being the “safe”, boring “second option” guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:24 AM
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As a guy, I’ve never understood this shit lol. Like, is it really impossible to find someone you find hot who’s also a good partner? I say the same about women with them putting men in the categories of “good partner” and “sexually attractive (or some other word for that kinda category)”. Makes no sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:10 AM
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When you talk about a guy being attractive, is it usually concerning stuff that a dude can work on, or is it genetic stuff like height, where you either have it or you don’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:10 AM
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Why tho? As a 5’7 guy, why is it natural for women to want taller men? It’s like my birth threw me under the bus lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:51 PM
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I’m moreso hopeful actually lol, because I can hopefully become handsome, and I already know how to converse. I was worried it was gonna be something about having to be tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 08:07 AM
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What should a guy do if he’s in the 5’6-5’8 range? I can’t get over that because, as you said, women love height and it makes me sad that I can never get taller lol. But are there ways to become attractive as a guy while getting around the height issue (usually through work, not genetics)? What do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 07:48 AM
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Yep. So guys like me who are definitely not 6’2 are totally fucked lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 07:39 AM
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How would a guy go about becoming attractive, tho? Especially for a guy on the shorter side lol. Or do you just have to be born that way, and there’s nothing anyone can do to improve?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 07:22 AM
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What makes a guy a good sex partner? Especially in hookups, I’d wager that dick size has something to do with that, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 07:18 AM
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Right. But I just can’t see any women moaning “my” name lmao so I just don’t really try. I wish I was wrong tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 06:19 AM
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What even makes a “bad boy”, tho? Is it stuff like confidence? Unless the traits are actually psychopathic lmao, I can’t see why a dude who isn’t a shithead can’t adopt those traits, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 05:34 AM
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What if a guy is in the shorter side and he doesn’t think that self-improvement is worth it because his height would always be in the way? I’m in the 5’6-5’8 range, and I’d love to improve myself, but it kinda depresses me that I’d never be able to actually be physically attractive to a woman because of my height. And I don’t really know how to get over that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 05:27 AM
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What even makes a man a “Chad” tho? If he’s the attractive guy, what does that even entail? Is height a part of it? As in, can a guy be an attractive “Chad” if he’s under 6 feet tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 02:33 AM
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There’s nothing wrong with being attracted to handsome men. It just sucks that you have to be born handsome and you can’t improve yourself to “become handsome/hot/whatever”. So yeah jealousy to a degree lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 04:13 AM
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It also works the other way around, too- porn makes people believe that every dude should have a huge dick. It doesn’t help that OP said that a huge dick is part of every woman’s fantasy lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 01:44 AM
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I’m a guy, and a lot of what you said that guys do or have done doesn’t apply to me. But I will say, personally, that being single is better than being settled for, for me. It also depends on what attribute is being settled for. Hair color? Who cares lol. It’s just a color. It doesn’t mean anything. Height? That matters, because the reason women seem to like tall guys (one of the reasons) is because they can “protect her better” (whether that’s true or not). If she believes that and she settles …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 01:15 AM
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Is it automatically assumed that the hookup bro will have a big d? Like, that’s what’s looked for? I feel like there are a lot of situations where there was a big d hookup bro, but she’d tell her “husband material” guy that size doesn’t matter. Scary shit lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:51 AM
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Why do you think this is, tho? Are you hot or hung or something lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:17 AM
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Does having a big dick influence whether a hookup is “great in bed”?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:13 AM
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Do you think a guy who’s under 6’5’’ (or 6 feet lol) can be seen in an objectifying way (or just hot in general, I guess)?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 11:48 PM
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What do you mean “more emphasis on height”? The emphasis on height is primarily why guys (including myself) who aren’t tall feel like it’s pointless to improve ourselves, because we could never be “hot”.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 11:30 PM
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But can you really improve your looks if you aren’t tall? It sounds stupid, but if you put all that effort in, if you’re not tall, would it even matter? Hope that makes sense lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 11:18 PM
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Right, but can a guy put in effort and improve himself, and become hot in general? Do you ever see that happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 06:48 AM
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It probably just sucks to realize that as a guy, no matter how much effort you put into yourself, you can never actually become attractive or hot and get women to want and desire you. Do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 06:38 AM
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What about for a guy who isn’t tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 06:34 AM
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What if you’re a guy who doesn’t do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:22 AM
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I mean, is it automatically assumed that she won’t be attracted if he isn’t tall? What if he’s in the 5’6-5’8 range?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 09:38 PM
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But what should you do if you aren’t tall? Like in the 5’6-5’8 range?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 09:35 PM
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Why would they want a big dick that is “too big”? That doesn’t make any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 08:45 PM
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Is this not depressing as hell, tho? I mean, what if you aren’t tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 04:41 AM
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And you can’t change that? A dude can’t become hot? If you’re not born that way, you’re just fucked?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 05:34 AM
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So, what are you saying? An “average” guy can make a girl as wet as a super attractive guy can?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:59 AM
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Jesus Christ so the only way a shorter guy can get a partner is if she’s fucking forced into it. Cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:49 AM
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Yeah, that is funny. Women should definitely only date who they’re sexually attracted to. What I was wanting (and what I thought other dudes were wanting), was advice on how to become sexually attractive. Never for women to ignore the attraction or go for dudes they aren’t into.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:34 AM
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I have a question. I’m a 26 year old dude and, while I’ve used the last couple of years at bars and stuff to try to improve my people skills (I think it’s worked), I’ve done absolutely nothing with women. It’s only since I’ve been working on my socializing that I’ve gotten friends who are women, but I’ve done nothing (handholding, dating, kissing, sex, etc) throughout high school, college, grad school and till now. And honestly, it gets to me sometimes. I personally think I’m ugly and short and …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:01 AM
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Is there any point in trying to look better if you’re on the shorter side tho? I’m a 5’7 guy. I worry about this. It seems pointless because height seems like the main thing women are (vocally) attracted to, so anything I do won’t work or matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 09:52 PM
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How are you defining mediocre tho? Is it mediocre physically or moreso just along the lines of childish and not a functioning adult. I’d hate to be “tolerated” (regarding the looks option not the second one lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 09:02 PM
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I agree with most of what you said, but if most women agree that being tall is attractive, what should guys who aren’t tall even do? Stay single?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:37 PM
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Yeah, but all I’d think of is how much better the sex “could” be if I were bigger lol How do you know if you have a good amount of girth? That’s such an odd thing to measure, in a way. What do you do if you don’t have “good girth”? All I hear now is people talking about girth being preferable, and I don’t even know if I have it lol. I’d rather not be settled for. What size(s) do you think would go under the “large” category, or the size that you’d think women would most “prefer”? Do you think 7 …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 11:30 PM
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Yeah that’s depressing as hell lol. At least the primal lust thing. If I can’t get that from a woman I’ll just be celibate lol. What size do you think you need to have to get that “primal lust”? Do you think 7 would count?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 11:12 PM
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What sizes do you think fall under “hung”? Would, say, 7 qualify as that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 11:04 PM
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I mean, the way I see it, average is pretty much either 5.1 or 5.5 inches. Which means that 6 is literally above average. For some reason, people tend to skip 7 and start talking about 8 lol but I feel like 7 would be the introduction to big. Depends on whether “above average” is a straight-up category or not lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:51 PM
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To be fair, usually when dudes say “size” they mean length and girth (at least, I do lol, I thought that was pretty common). It’s also generally agreed (I could be wrong tho) that women like girth quite a bit, which would go under “size”, and here we are. Yeah, the girth thing just gives us another thing to be insecure about lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:21 PM
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I get what you’re saying, but that would just make me even more confused because I feel the overwhelming answer (usually) to the question is that women don’t like them because they hurt. Whether or not they’re telling the truth, I feel like if it hurt and all of that, they would not be like “ooh, nice” lol. Not saying you’re wrong lol just explaining my thought process because people say such different stuff about this
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:49 PM
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Do women check out their husbands when in a relationship, or does it “get old”? That’s what I worry about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:07 PM
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Do/did you ever get flustered with your partner, or do you have to be an enormously attractive guy or something? That’s what I would be in my head about lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 08:52 PM
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The question I have is- do these women ever get (or have they ever gotten) flustered with their partners, or is it only dudes outside the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 08:48 PM
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What if you have the answers to the test but now suddenly your hands fall off? Stupid example lol but I’m saying I can’t “prepare for the test better” when they’re talking about height and I’m 5’7, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 08:28 PM
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It’s better to hear it now and get out of the dating game if that’s what your future holds lol that’s what I think about it (for me, at least), especially if you can’t change the quality
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 07:39 PM
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So do you think that dudes who are shorter or ugly just shouldn’t date? I’m an ugly 5’7 dude and I’d rather someone tell me that than “there’s someone for everyone”, when there isn’t. Or it means, you could get into a relationship, but there’d be no passion and they’d just desire someone else. Which nobody wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 07:27 PM
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I mean, it depends on whether this is a hypothetical or not. If women are actually treating a dude like “a backup” but he doesn’t know it, that’s messed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 07:23 PM
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Depressing as fuck. And I guess it’s not everyone because I’m a guy and I can’t really imagine doing “locker room talk” as you describe it. But yeah, this shit just makes me want to stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 07:13 PM
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How would you recommend getting the information? I want to be considered attractive to women lol but I’m also 5’7 and overweight so I really just don’t think it’s possible at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 10:57 PM
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What would you classify as “decent height”, tho? I’m 5’7 (probably 5’8 if I lost weight and fixed my posture), and I’d love to be in this position and put the work in for women to be attracted to me lol, but obviously if the starting point is something I can never get to, I just won’t try (but I hope that isn’t the case).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 10:49 PM
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So what would a guy do in order to get around the issue of being “smaller”? I’m a 5’7 guy, and I’d put in the effort if I figured out how I could “become attractive”, it just seems like the only things considered attractive are things I was fucked over on lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 10:41 PM
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What size do you hear them talk about the most, do you think? Hopefully not tmi, but I’m around 6.5 or 7, and I think I’m small and couldn’t pleasure someone, but I’m curious because you said they talk about above average a lot, which I technically am I guess, so who knows maybe I have a chance lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 10:35 PM
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I agree with the sentiment of your comment, but arguments like this kinda get to me, because what happens if the third option is an above average sized partner who cares about his partners pleasure?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 10:23 PM
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That’s the scary part. Because I want them to be honest, but I have a feeling the size they love won’t be what I’ve got lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 10:16 PM
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So a large size (when used right) is the best possible outcome? Is this like 7 inches? 8?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 09:45 PM
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Do you think that it’s true that a bigger size is more likely to give someone a vaginal orgasm?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 09:39 PM
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How long is “long enough”, in your opinion? If a guy isn’t hung like that, should he just give up? I don’t know if the number is larger than me or not lmao, but I’m not gonna be in a relationship where I’m inherently second place and I can’t do anything about it. Also, can you only give a woman a vaginal orgasm with a huge dick?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 09:33 PM
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Gotcha. What if the woman knew you when you were fat, also? And she knows you now as a dude who is fit and not fat anymore? Would that help him, hypothetically? As in, she isn’t just meeting him for the first time when he’s fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 09:29 PM
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How big do you think the guy that felt awesome was? 7? 8? And he felt better “just because” he was that size? Do you think that if Mr. 5 inches had been the other guys’ size, it would’ve been an even better experience? (Not trying to argue or anything lol these are just things I worry about).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 09:25 PM
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Lol not exactly. I was pretty much asking “even if women don’t find muscle mass attractive, do women find it attractive for a guy to lose weight and go from fat to fit?” Hope that makes more sense lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 09:20 PM
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And any dick can do that? Nothing having to do with size, etc.? (Not necessarily asking about “you” lmao, but about the general idea itself)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 09:07 PM
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What if you lose weight/get unfat and then get fit? Is that attractive to women? The difference is mostly in the “getting fit from being fat” angle, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 08:53 PM
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I don’t really know where the assumption comes from that porn stars are 10 times hotter than “normal” women. I’ve heard that quite a bit, not just from you. It’s odd. I assume there are certain dudes who think that porn stars are the height of beauty, I guess. As for your other stuff, I assume women already do that lol. Especially with romance novels and stuff like that. That’s why I’m not in a relationship lmao every guy is more attractive than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 08:27 PM
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Is this not really depressing for average (or below) men, tho? As a 5’7 guy, this makes me not even want to try. It also makes it seem like women find their husbands less attractive than random dudes they hooked up with in their past.
/r/ExRedPill18/06/25 11:02 PM
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I mean, if you’re not desireable based on something like height, you’re kinda out of luck tho. As a 5’7 guy, I can’t grow taller lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 10:44 PM
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But do you think that the woman in the relationship would prefer to make him taller if she could?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 10:29 PM
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Why are broke dudes considered so good at sex? Size? Skill? What stops “average” guys from being considered that good?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 10:20 PM
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Can a guy become an amazing lover if he puts in the work, tho? Or is a lot of it based on stuff he can’t do anything about, like dick size?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 10:14 PM
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Can a man learn to be an amazing lover, or does part of it/all of it have to do with stuff he can’t change, like dick size?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 10:06 PM
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Why would it be a guys own fault (I’m being serious)? As in, he doesn’t try to make himself attractive or have a nice personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 09:41 PM
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I agree with this. At least part of it. I definitely hate my body more because I watch a lot of porn lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 09:05 PM
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How does a guy “become” sexy and arousing, tho? Does being fit help? Also, can you be sexy and arousing if you aren’t tall? As a 5’7 guy, I worry about this because it seems like even if I put in a lot of work, my height will just negate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:10 AM
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But why wouldn’t a dude want to be considered hot by his partner (as in, the dude who is compatible but not attractive)? That’s practically settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:01 AM
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But most women would still have a “tall man” for their ideal preference?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 01:53 AM
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So now i should just be really insecure about shape? Yay. (I’m joking, but kinda serious lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 01:40 AM
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What if you aren’t really girthy or curved at all? What even is a “good girth”?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 01:38 AM
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I get what you’re saying, but that would be what people are talking about when they ask about size mattering. The physical aspect. The “ideal” size. Even if it’s low on the list, it still matters, because there’s got to be a reason why it’s the ideal. More pleasure? That’s what dudes (or maybe just me lol) worry about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 01:35 AM
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Was your bro tall or hung or an asshole or something? Or a decent guy who just happened to have a lot of sex? (I’m not saying that tall or hung guys are assholes- I’m just asking about those attributes)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 12:55 AM
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But why would that be something to settle over? Couldn’t you get a partner you want to try anything with? The only possible way I see someone settling sexually is if you just aren’t trying or if a woman is a size queen or something lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 02:12 AM
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How is that not depressing, tho? I want to be sexually attractive to my hypothetical partner (or, hell, a woman in general). Can you work on yourself and become attractive as a guy, or is it like if you don’t have it then you’re fucked?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 10:05 PM
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I think there’s different definitions of settling, tho. What you’re talking about is settling as in “nobody’s perfect and everyone will have some kind of flaw”, which is true and realistic and, in my opinion, not a problem. The other definition, which I worry about, is settling as in “I’m not actually crazy about my partner, I’m just with him because society wants me to be in a relationship/I’m scared to be alone/I want kids/etc”. That’s more of a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 09:44 PM
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I get what you’re saying, but that’s still a bit depressing because I don’t want the size issue to be compensated for by being a good partner. I want there to not be a size issue at all. I don’t really want them to want to sample it lmao. I want them to want “me”. Also, do you think that there would be a large difference between 7 and 8 inches? Would I be that much inferior?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 12:07 AM
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One thing I wonder is what do you/other people mean by “above average”? 8 inches?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 11:48 PM
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Yeah, but you can’t get taller. I’m 5’7, and I just stopped trying when it seemed like that was the one major physical trait that women were attracted to. I don’t know what to do at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 10:17 PM
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Uhh…. I “can be” 5’8, maybe if I fixed my posture, but for right now I seem to be mostly 5’7, so what does that mean for me?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 10:08 PM
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So you’re of the opinion that a dude “can” work on himself and become attractive? Even if they aren’t tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 09:53 PM
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I still can’t figure out what “bad boy” even means? What does it mean to you? Is your husband counted as one of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 09:50 PM
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Are you saying that a shorter guy= a “subservient, controllable agreeable weak man”, or what? They’re inherently unmasculine? I just don’t understand how that fits in there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 08:25 PM
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Can men become attractive, tho? Or is it just that you had to be “born right”?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 08:17 PM
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So what should you do if you’re generally considered to be unattractive, like if you’re a shorter guy? This kinda sounds like a dude would either end up single or settled for.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 08:11 PM
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I mean, im not an asshole about it or anything. Women can have whatever preferences they want. But as a 5’7 guy, it does end up depressing me. And certain Dudes are unironically saying that im not only unattractive, im “genetically unattractive” lmao. So yeah, I’d just love for some kind of indication that a woman could find me hot lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:57 PM
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So what does this mean for dudes who aren’t tall, like he was talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:47 PM
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I know that “people like what they like” and I’ve got no problem with that, but my question is- if you’re, say, a shorter guy, and this is true, what is even the point in trying at all? I’m 5’7 and I’ve practically decided that relationships and sex aren’t for me. Because I’ve been drilled with the idea that I’m “genetically” unattractive and inferior. Even if I lost weight and got in shape, it wouldn’t mean a damn thing. Given what you’ve said, does this not make sense? What do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:40 PM
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I mean, do you have to be tall to be conventionally attractive? That’d suck, cuz I’m 5’7. Am I practically banned from being considered attractive or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:31 PM
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But is it possible for a man (or anyone, I guess) to become attractive? Or do you just have to be “born right”? Because most people here tend to act like it’s genetic, which is the more depressing aspect of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:18 PM
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I mean, how do you even do that, tho? I hear women all the time saying that they aren’t into men who go to the gym, so apparently losing weight and getting in shape wouldnt do anything. I’m 5’7 and I can’t do anything about my height, and that’s the main thing women seem to be attracted to. I really don’t know how to fix the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 06:39 PM
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Why is the “unemployment Chad” considered to be more skilled in bed? I thought that was something you could work on? I just hate that this stuff implies that there are two categories for this stuff: it’s depressing as fuck to think that, for example, a woman I’m with wouldn’t be getting excitement out of a relationship with me, that would’ve come from a past fling. What the fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 06:29 PM
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One of the issues, for me, at least, is the question of whether a guy can actually become attractive through effort or not. That would determine how depressing the issue is lol. Then there’s the fact that I’m 5’7 and I wonder if any effort I put in would ever even matter because one of the principal things people talk about regarding men’s attractiveness is “tall”. So I don’t even know if a shorter guy could be considered attractive lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 10:03 PM
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What I wonder is- can a man become attractive? Or is it just shit like you had to be born tall? That definitely matters in terms of whether that study would depress me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 09:41 PM
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To be fair, it doesn’t have to be a race thing. It’s just another way of saying “big dick”, so if you’re insecure about that, it might get to you. It’s nice to see 6 inches actually referenced as a nice size for once lmao it’s usually said to be small.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 11:52 PM
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What if you’re incapable of doing that, tho? (As a guy)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 11:42 PM
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I mean, can dudes go from “unwanted” to “wanted”? Or is the best they can do learn to “deal with the pain”?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 04:20 AM
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Do you think that a dude can go from “bitter loser” to “attractive man”, or is he kinda stuck if he’s a bitter loser? Is it possible at all? I mean, I can’t grow taller obviously, which fucks with me because that seems like one of the only things that women are actually attracted to, but in general, could it be done?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 03:54 AM
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Eh. I’m sure I’m an exception, but I just started hearing so much about how women prefer/love tall guys and all of that, and me being 5’7, decided to just not date. If that’s what they want, why would I even try? I’m just saying- I’m not an asshole and I’m not chasing “hot women”. I’m not chasing anyone, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 11:55 PM
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So in a purely physical, pleasure-related way, bigger (if he knows how to use it) is better? Cool. If that portion of it is true, then celibacy is my best bet lmao. It doesn’t matter if emotions and love make it easier. I want it to be pleasurable from a purely physical standpoint. Btw, what do you mean when you say “big dick”? Possibly tmi, but I’m pretty much 7 and I think it’s small (body dysmorphia), so this leads to my opinions on this being contradictory and confusing lmao. But I mean, usu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 11:21 PM
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Do you have to be well-endowed to hit the a spot? What if you aren’t able to (as a dude)? Or if you’re dick isn’t curved? All these preferences just make me feel like I’d be settled for cuz I don’t feel like I have any lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 11:07 PM
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It determines whether I decide to be celibate or not. I don’t know about others, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 11:02 PM
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Not to be too nosy, but would you say there’s an obvious difference in pleasure between the “average size” and an 8? Could you have adequate pleasure from an average size after having experienced an 8?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 10:58 PM
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Yup I literally have that on this issue lol. I recognize that. Doesn’t make it easier tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 10:55 PM
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I would, but that’s just me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 10:19 PM
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That’s true. I know I wouldn’t believe that lol. Of course I pretty much have body dysmorphia over it, so it makes a bit more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 10:08 PM
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But my question would just be “why?” You normally don’t have a preference for something for no reason, you know? I can’t figure out a reason for the sesame seed preference, but it’s a hypothetical, so it’s fine. If a woman had a size preference, there would have to be “some” reason. And idk what it could be other than “it feels better” or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 10:00 PM
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I mean, I get what you’re saying, but I still would want to know if it were a plus point at all, you know? Partly because I’d want to know the reason behind it. And I can’t think of any that it could be besides “it feels better”, which would kinda destroy me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 09:50 PM
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But the idea is that she may like having sex with you, but she’d love it so much more if you were bigger. So both things are involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 09:44 PM
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Because I’d want to be what she enjoys/desires the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 09:37 PM
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It may be denial, to an extent. I don’t like hearing “looks matter” because I’m ugly and I can’t change that, no matter how much I want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 09:38 PM
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Would that even be an answer to that question, tho? I mean, you look how you look. It would kinda be a depressing answer lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 09:02 PM
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Can a guy become hot tho? Can he actually improve his looks? Or is saying that “looks matter” supposed to mean that I/a lot of us are just fucked?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 08:27 PM
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Do you think any guy can become hot with effort? I’m a 5’7 guy and my mindset around that is one of my worst obstacles, but I want to believe it’s possible for me. Idk tho. Edit: also, it’s not just my height. Low self-esteem about my looks in general lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 02:17 AM
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How does a guy look hot tho? I’m 26 and convinced it’ll never happen for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 02:13 AM
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Wait, you’re saying that women do compare dudes in bed? How would that not matter if that were the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 02:02 AM
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No, I wouldn’t do that. I’m just insecure as shit lol. I’m still a virgin, but why the fuck would I get into a relationship with someone after having had sex already, if I knew that I’d be comparing the new lady to the old one? That’s a terrible situation. I get what you’re saying tho, I just don’t think it always applies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 01:58 AM
1

Your boyfriend is Henry Cavill?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 05:44 PM
1

Do you think that that scenario is something that men “do” need to worry about (in reality)?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 05:14 PM
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I mean, all I hear nowadays is women saying that they don’t find guys who work out to be attractive. So I’m confused lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 04:37 PM
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Why would I do that, tho? If I have an “inadequate size”, just tell me and I’ll gladly be single lol I don’t want to be settled for
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 12:58 AM
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Doesn’t that mean you’d be settling for a shittier sex life, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 12:26 AM
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I don’t care to be considered “superior” to anyone. I just want to be able to pleasure my partner as much as possible. To be what she actually wants. What if you don’t have “good girth”? It’s hard enough to even tell what that would be lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 12:22 AM
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Pretty sure 8 inches would count as “monster” lol. The things people say like “11 inches” doesn’t exist, I’m pretty sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 12:19 AM
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Would those men not be women’s ideal, tho? I get that it’s a stupid mindset, but if you believe that women would want you to look like that if you could, wouldn’t it make sense to be insecure about it?
/r/ExRedPill12/04/25 11:44 PM
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I think they feel like every women is like that, not just “most”. I’ll also say, though, that maybe I’m reading too much into it, but I’m not the biggest fan of the idea that my hypothetical partner would have to “overlook” my height or looks. You know? I don’t want them to overlook it, I want them to be into it and prefer it. I don’t think that’s too much to ask for lol- for your partner to be into you.
/r/ExRedPill12/04/25 03:57 PM
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Is tall inherently nicer to look at? Or can, say, average height/etc. be considered aesthetically pleasing? I’m 5’7 and just trying to figure out if it’s possible for me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 03:29 PM
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Eh. I know a lot of guys think like that, but it can’t be a “guy thing”. Or am I the only one who doesn’t think like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 06:32 PM
1

Are you saying that a bigger dick will get the job done better?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 06:21 PM
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What constitutes a “small dick”, tho? At what size should a guy be worried? Pretty sure women consider 6.5/7 inches small now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 02:17 AM
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I mean, if they prefer those things, that’s worth noting as well lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:49 AM
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I mean, yeah, for me, the issue is the fact that he’s attractive and tall lol. I can fucking chop wood. I just can’t be attractive and tall while doing it lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:45 AM
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Lmao that guy. Tbf, it didn’t show me that I couldn’t find a girlfriend, but it really illuminated what women thirst over, and it just depressed me because it’s never anything I could do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:31 AM
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Idk I feel like it’d be tough for me to date a woman knowing that she would just desire me to be different/better. Also, not to nitpick one specific issue, but if having a larger dick is indeed part of womens “ideal man”, why is it that if a man says that women “prefer a larger dick” or “want a larger dick”, they’d say that he’s wrong and argue against him? I mean, even if they’re willing to overlook it, this would prove that it’s part of the “ideal”, therefore making it something that they inde…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:11 AM
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See, I believe that this is probably true, but I also wonder why the hell people made this kind of dichotomy, you know? Like, for example, why in the world is “good sex” considered a “bad boy trait”? Not being a pushover is a bad boy trait because nice guys (“actual” nice guys) are stereotypically literal doormats for some reason. Idk but in general I agree with the idea I think lol
/r/ExRedPill27/03/25 11:29 PM
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Do you think women all have the same height standards for what they find attractive, or does someone under six feet tall have a chance of being considered attractive, as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 05:02 AM
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Damn, I’ve got most of all of those but “tall” (I’m 5’7). Does that just mean I’m inherently unattractive? That’s how that works?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 04:48 AM
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Lmao do I really have a 1 in 500,000 chance of being considered attractive because I’m 5’7?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 04:37 AM
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What’s the point in desiring dudes have big dicks if you’re not of the mind that big dick=better sex? (Serious question lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 03:51 AM
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So, a man having a tall height makes her feel like she can unveil her personality? Why does a guy have to be tall for that? I keep seeing reasons why I’m unattractive because I’m 5’7, but most of them (like this) I don’t even understand why I couldn’t do the exact same thing, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 03:13 AM
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I haven’t. I doubt it’s possible lol. I’d be happier if I could do something to change that, but it seems like it’s moreso genetics and less getting in shape (please tell me I’m wrong lol).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 02:06 AM
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Do you think that if an “average” guy got in shape and got ripped/fit, he’d be able to have women fawn over him? Or at least find him hot lol. (Also, I’m 5’7, which sadly might affect the answer lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 01:52 AM
1

Are the male strippers hot because they’re fit/ripped? I always thought it was because they’re all hung with big dicks lol (even tho women say they don’t care for size, they’re reaction to strippers makes me wonder lol it’s so confusing). But for real, I’d be much less depressed if I knew that I actually “could” obtain that desire/those reactions from women (if I decided to get ripped and all of that). Although, I’m also 5’7 so apparently that works against me. So you’re saying that the stripper…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 01:37 AM
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Of course, that depends on the guy for that last point. But yeah, I had been thinking that the only times I’ve seen women be “lustful” over men is in shows with male performers or strippers lol. As in, nowhere near the average male body. Do you think that a man can work on himself to where women think he hot/lust after him? Or do you have to be born like that (for example, height, dick size, etc.)? I’m 5’7, so from what I’ve heard my height is gonna really kill my chances at being considered att…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 01:24 AM
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Can an “average” guy work his way towards having a body that would be lusted after, or do you think it’s moreso genetics/you have to be born with it? (I’m also 5’7 so I hope that doesn’t fuck me too hard lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 01:02 AM
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So, are the things that make these dudes lusted after, are they things that can be obtained through hard work? As in, can I allow myself to be hopeful lmao (well, if I decided to put in the effort)? (Also, I’m 5’7. I’m sure that that also matters lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 12:55 AM
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I was on board with your initial comments and post and stuff like that, but I’m curious. I’m 5’7. Are you saying that a woman who gets with me will inherently be settling?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 07:33 PM
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I mean, if he’s right that they’re crazy about them, how would they be settling? But even if you’re right and they’re posting in the group chat that they’re settling, wouldn’t that just make them look bad? I mean, why would they settle, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 07:19 PM
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If height is the biggest factor in female attraction, am I out of luck as a 5’7 guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 06:53 PM
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I’ll just say that some of the worries (at least in my case), come from worrying that women might have casual sex with the “actual hot guy” and then settle for the “safe, nice guy” or whatever. I have heard stories of that happening (not saying it’s common, I’m just saying that I’m not making shit up lol). I, personally, don’t want to be settled for or be the “safe option”. I’m 5’7, and it’s be kinda like if my partner didn’t have a problem with my height, but deliberately tried to hook up with …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 09:13 PM
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And here I am thinking seven inches was considered small based off women’s preferences I keep hearing about lol. Is 6.5 inches considered small, or is that adequate/able to pleasure someone/maybe even preferred?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 08:29 PM
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I mean, I’m not exactly naive to the situation, I just think it’s depressing as fuck (if it’s true). It sounds like if you aren’t a shithead of a guy, you should just stop trying. (Also, being a decent guy isn’t the same thing as being a doormat. A lot of people seem to conflate the two for some reason and make it to where if you aren’t a bully, you’re weak and a doormat.)
/r/ExRedPill12/03/25 11:21 PM
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Man, these conversations are so depressing to read lmao But see, I feel like it’s possible for a dude to be “not boring” and also “not a literal psychopath”. Wouldn’t that be best in this situation instead of two extremes?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 09:10 AM
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Well, that’s kinda depressing as fuck, isn’t it? I understood when it was attributes like confidence- that makes sense why women might be into a “bad boy” because that’s more of a positive, but rarer, trait. But it’s also one that I could work on. If you’re straight-up saying that they’re into bullies, idk how to say it but why would you want to be with someone who gravitates towards an actual awful person, you know? (No offense intended)
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 08:19 AM
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Are some of the “bad boy” traits more sexually attractive than other, different traits, tho? Because it seems sometimes like women can be more sexually attracted to a “bad boy” than too an alternative. And I don’t know how to take that lol
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 08:03 AM
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How would you know if you could measure up sexually or not, tho?
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 07:10 AM
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Yep, this more or less describes me lol (to an extent). The only reason I’d say that I even considered caring about virginity or body count is because of being worried that she may have had bigger/better than me beforehand and I can’t replicate it. Essentially being settled for sexually. I don’t exactly know how to prove this idea wrong, but I do know its just “my mindset”. As in, I obviously wouldn’t take it out on anyone else like some of these dudes do.
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 07:03 AM
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It must not be entirely what guys are hardwired to find irresistibly attractive, because I don’t necessarily find it so. Also, some of the attributes for that woman aren’t incompatible with a long-term partner, in my opinion. I’ve always been of the mind that I’ll find someone who fits the positives of both of these “types” of women, or I’ll stay single. I hope I don’t come off as rude or anything. But honestly, if what you said about women and “alpha chads” is true, I’ll just give up. I’m not g…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 06:02 AM
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But then it becomes a question of “what traits are women actually aroused by?”. Because the only two I can think of are height and sometimes a big dick and you can’t do anything about those. So I’m curious if there are traits/things women are aroused by that you can actually work on and improve on lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:28 AM
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What do you mean? How would this show that men are insecure about their sexual abilities? I get that it shows men who are insecure in their physical/sexual attractiveness, tho (I’d fall into that group). Is it really that crazy to think that the woman is more sexually attracted to the dude she had sex with earlier?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 02:28 AM
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Why is it not possible to work on yourself and “acquire” those attributes? (The attributes of Chad lmao)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 02:01 AM
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On that last point- I’d agree with you, but it depends on why the sexier guy was sexy. If it’s something I can actually do or work on, that’s totally fine. However, when it comes to these scenarios, it’s usually that the sexier guy was taller or had a bigger dick or something like that, which is partly why it’s so annoying (because it’s proving that we’d always be inferior to someone off of something we can’t change).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 01:47 AM
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So getting in shape does help with attracting women? I’m not even joking- I can’t tell anymore because everything I see about that is how women say that they aren’t into in shape guys or gym guys or whatever. It’s confusing lol. I hope it’s true tho. Might get me in the gym lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 12:38 AM
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I agree with a lot of what you said, but saying that women should go for the “best of the best” in terms of men in their early twenties and then lower their standards in their early thirties- that’s something that worries me. Is that not settling for your long-term partner? I mean, they (and you) will know that, at least, they aren’t as attractive/hung/whatever as the guys from your twenties, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 12:24 AM
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What makes up a “high value man”, though? Is it subjective? Am I doomed to be, at best, settled for because I’m 5’7?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 12:04 AM
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Question- as a 5’7 (sometimes 5’8, for some reason) man, can I do this, too? I’m being entirely serious, as with so many of these answers to “what do women find attractive”, the answer involves the man having to be tall for it to work. Hence why I don’t necessarily believe I could be attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 01:22 AM
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I get what you’re saying (I’m personally someone who would love making sex great for the woman, it feels odd to even have to say that lol), but the thing that worries me is that why would I want to be considered a “lesser man”? I mean, if what is more physically desireable would be what the hookup has, which would be him being hot and probably having a big dick, why would I be fine with that. Again, I agree with you, but I don’t want to be seen as physically inferior by my partner. If you don’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 12:09 AM
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How does a guy get more attractive, especially if he isn’t tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 11:56 PM
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I mean, I get what you’re saying, but the main problem is that why the hell does my hypothetical girlfriend think I’m a 5/10? Why are you trying to woo someone you think is a 5/10, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 11:44 PM
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For me personally, I agree that it’s probably the confidence aspect, but the thing that annoys me is that it’s not just guys parroting the “bad boy” talk- women themselves say that they like “bad boys”. And it gets confusing because if it were just about confidence, you’d think that they’d say that instead of, you know, calling them “bad boys” lol. It doesn’t help that I have a bit of an inferiority complex and if a guy is popular with women, I just assume I could never do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 11:11 PM
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I’ve heard that, too. I just find it funny because a disturbingly large number of people cheat, so why would you need to single anyone out? You date a straight dude and you might get cheated on, too. Also, I just find the stereotype funny as a bi guy who’s a virgin, very monogamous and would never cheat. And by funny, I mean usually really frustrating and annoying lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:52 PM
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That’s fair. The thing that gets me, though, is that I just want to feel desired (as we said earlier). And I havent seen women fawn over any physical attribute of a guy other than height. Maybe that’s on me for not having seen other examples, but it is what it is. So, to me, the only thing women seem to get really hyped about is something I don’t have and can’t ever get. Which obvious kinda depresses me (and that makes working on the other stuff harder, too). I can’t even figure out if women are…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 07:33 PM
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Well obviously I don’t want them in pain, but no offense I don’t think it really helps lmao because as you said, they just don’t know how to use it for some reason. It’s easy for them to fix that. And then they’d be 100% the most desired. This stuff does get to me, though. Possible tmi, but I’m not really even that small, around 6.5 to 7 or so, and I just constantly hear all this stuff about how women mostly desire around 8. Sizes that barely any (relatively) dudes even have. I’m a virgin and it…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 07:23 PM
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I’m not an incel (just ridiculously insecure), but i will say regarding myself that it gets way more complicated when the only thing you know that women desire physically is stuff that you can’t “put effort into” (for example, height).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 07:02 PM
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If bigger is better up until 8.5, what does that mean for everyone below 8.5 (the vast, vast majority of dudes lol)?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:57 PM
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That second part makes sense. What do you think the “certain extent” is (if that makes sense)? That’s depressing as hell, if true.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:55 PM
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In your experience, do women care about size at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 01:28 AM
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To be fair, why would you want to have a partner that thinks you’re “below average”? Hell, why would a woman want a below average partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 09:41 PM
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It may be more confusing to guys because, at least from what I can tell, a lot of the physical attributes that women find sexy about men are things that you can’t change- you either have them or you don’t. The most obvious one being height. So, I would probably need it spelled out for me because I don’t know what women find attractive that I could possibly have. Like, if it’s really stuck to height like I think, I’m kinda fucked lmao. Does that make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 09:03 PM
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Does being a good lover/being good at sex, in this sense, have to do with stuff like size, or can you improve and get better at it if you wanted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 08:56 PM
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Why would a man being kind and attentive be sexually unattractive? Are women sexually attracted to the opposite? I would’ve felt like the ability to be attentive during sex would be sexually attractive lmao, unless I’m getting something wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 08:44 PM
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I think that the thing that gets me about topics like this is that I desperately want to improve my looks so that I can be considered attractive, but there are very few things that “many” women can be said to find physically attractive or get excited about. The two things that I’ve found are common for women to be into are: height (which I (5’7) don’t have and can’t ever get) and shit from literature (which is said to be just fiction and not to try to emulate it). Which is fair, but I don’t know…
/r/ExRedPill23/01/25 09:49 PM
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Their argument would just be “well, are you/were you attracted to bad boys now/before?”. The good ole’ “there’s a type of guy you ‘date’ and there’s a type you marry” thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 12:11 AM
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Why do you think so? Women preferring bigger for one night stands really makes it seem like they’re more physically pleasureable, I guess.
/r/ExRedPill27/08/24 11:11 PM
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I’d just be worried about her having amazing sex with a bigger guy that I can never replicate lol. I’d be at best second place which would suck.
/r/ExRedPill27/08/24 10:56 PM
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I personally only worry about it insomuch as I don’t want her to have had an amazing sexual experience with a bigger guy that I can never do anything to replicate. I don’t want her to have already had her “best sex ever” before I even come into the picture. Maybe it’s stupid but idk.
/r/ExRedPill27/08/24 10:52 PM
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Why are tall men more attractive than shorter men tho? I’m 5’7/5’8 and I’d like to know how I’m unattractive lol
/r/ExRedPill27/08/24 10:23 PM
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I mean, how am I supposed to want to lose weight if everywhere I look I see women saying that dad bods are more attractive and if I lost weight or got fit, I’d be ugly (uglier?) or unattractive?
/r/ExRedPill27/08/24 09:31 PM
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Why can’t I be a guy who women want to be with and also considered hot (that parts not gonna happen, but still…)? I don’t know why people act like they’re mutually exclusive.
/r/ExRedPill27/08/24 09:29 PM
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Eh. I don’t know how I feel about that. There’s not one type of “pornstar” (I hate the fact that this is my argument lmao). They look like all types of women. And I personally don’t even think pornstars look more attractive than “normal women”. I will say, tho, that on the other side of the argument, the idea that “women find specific guys really hot but they end up settling with the good guys” still kind of annoys me. If possible, I’d want to be a good guy and hot. I don’t know why it has to be…
/r/ExRedPill27/08/24 09:26 PM
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I’d just feel like I was being settled for in that situation. Like I was the best they could get.
/r/ExRedPill27/08/24 09:20 PM
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I’m 5’7/5’8, would I be considered short?
/r/ExRedPill27/08/24 09:09 PM
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Really? I’m 5’7/5’8 and I’ve pretty much given up over it lol. It’s literally all I hear online from women is how dudes under 6 feet (usually) are short. I hope you’re right tho, to be fair.
/r/ExRedPill27/08/24 09:04 PM
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I want to believe what you’re saying. I am curious tho- is the whole “dad bod” movement thing kind of making a generalization that dad bod guys are “better men” whereas fit guys tend to be assholes? I don’t know. It really messes with my head, because frankly I need to get in shape and lose some weight, but everywhere I turn all I see is women saying that I’m apparently hotter (hah) as I am and I’d be unattractive if I got in shape. Does that make sense? Also, it gets confusing to me when people…
/r/ExRedPill27/08/24 08:51 PM
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Is it possible for a man to become more than the “bare minimum”? Or are we destined to be settled for at best/worse? For example, I’m 5’7. I hear this kind of thing a lot, but am I destined to be considered “lesser” because of how I was born?
/r/ExRedPill27/08/24 08:42 PM
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But what about if you take out the love/romance aspect of it? I kinda want my partner to consider me someone they wouldve hooked up with lol. Like would I be attractive without the love emotion being involved? Probably not, but that’s what I’m curious about.
/r/ExRedPill27/08/24 08:23 PM
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Women are horny, but only for specific men and specific types of men. It doesn’t feel like women get horny for “average” guys.
/r/ExRedPill27/08/24 08:18 PM
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I’m 5’7 and all I’ll say is that hearing constantly how much women prefer tall guys and how hot they are to them eventually gets to you. It doesn’t even have to be mean comments- it’s still just beating in the point that I’m almost biologically unattractive. Even if “life doesn’t work out that way” and in real life, women date shorter guys, I still feel this way because of what I’ve heard them say. I’d even feel like they were settling for me if they tried to date me.
/r/ExRedPill27/08/24 08:14 PM
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To be fair, though, someone your height will never be able to say that they haven’t experienced those things “because of their height”. Shorter guys can. Y’all are desired by women lol. Height isn’t everything is correct, too. But it’s also “something” and it’s very common for women to desire height.
/r/ExRedPill27/08/24 08:06 PM
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Oh, that’s true. I think I was thinking of stories from real life male stripper shows. I may have gotten off topic haha. Regardless, it may be that the same stuff happens, just not in “dancing bear”.
/r/ExRedPill16/12/23 03:51 AM
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To be fair, there’s still a question of whether women like their bodies or not, right? All male stripper tend to be ripped and hung, and they get an interesting amount of enthusiasm from women. I don’t necessarily care whether they would go for the women (if they’re gay, they wouldn’t, obviously), but I do care if the women would go for them.
/r/ExRedPill16/12/23 03:47 AM
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Interesting. I hope you’re right that it’s mostly bullshit haha. I will say, though, even if it’s not the bride, you mentioned women going crazy for the strippers- doesn’t this call into question the idea that women don’t care for big dicks? Given that pretty much all male strippers are hung and they seem to be the only dudes who get this kind of attention and enthusiasm?
/r/ExRedPill16/12/23 03:45 AM
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I hope you’re right haha
/r/ExRedPill16/12/23 03:40 AM
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But aren’t there multiple stories of this kind of thing happening and guys in relationships eventually finding out, (hopefully) leading to a breakup?
/r/ExRedPill16/12/23 03:40 AM
1

I mean, this is one of the main things that I have fear of, to be honest. I thought it was pretty well known that if male strippers are involved, things get pretty crazy. Is this wrong? It also is something that calls into question the idea of dick size not mattering, as male strippers are mostly always hung, and given the way that women react to them. Am I wrong?
/r/ExRedPill16/12/23 03:38 AM
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That’s fair. I’ll still be jealous and insecure of better men, but that logic checks out haha
/r/ExRedPill12/12/23 09:29 PM
1

I do watch porn, but I also understand that most of it is fake, so I try to take that into account. My fears and insecurities are based in shit from the real world. One pretty obvious example that I keep going back to is bachelorette parties with/and male strippers. I don’t generalize and think all women do anything, but I’ve seen way too many stories from those events haha
/r/ExRedPill12/12/23 09:27 PM
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What if a man were hotter and was hung?
/r/ExRedPill12/12/23 09:03 PM
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So pretty much get settled for. Wait until women are done fucking actually hot guys and then they need to settle down. Cool.
/r/ExRedPill12/12/23 09:01 PM
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That brings up another problem tho- that pesky issue of wanting to be considered physically attractive to your partner. What good is a relationship if you find out that your woman thinks your ugly?
/r/ExRedPill12/12/23 09:00 PM
1

What if nobody thinks that about you?
/r/ExRedPill12/12/23 08:57 PM
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What if I am seen as unattractive by everyone haha
/r/ExRedPill12/12/23 08:54 PM
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No. That’s just a line I won’t cross. There are a lot of people who aren’t like that tho, apparently. And I don’t mean that because of an incelly reason, I just mean that a lot of people seem to cheat.
/r/ExRedPill12/12/23 08:51 PM
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These are legit questions- What if I want a hookup, and not necessarily a relationship (at least, I want to know that I could get a hookup if I wanted to. I don’t want to have to rely 100% on personality, as stupid as that may sound)? Regarding your last point, if the percentages changed, it could be argued that more people (usually women, I guess) are settling. As in, just because average joes are having families and kids and all of that, doesn’t necessarily mean that they are actually desireab…
/r/ExRedPill12/12/23 08:48 PM
1

When you say “great dick”, are you referring to size?
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 06:24 AM
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I mean, I was under the impression that 6 inch dicks wouldn’t even be preferable to women. That they’d prefer bigger. Not to be tmi, but are you saying that some women might be cool with that size- or maybe actually prefer it?
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 03:19 AM
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They don’t want to be attracted to their man?
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 02:41 AM
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I envy your optimism. Women don’t seem to find 5’7 men attractive tho so I’ve got that in my way.
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 02:36 AM
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Are you actually arguing that I could become someone that women would find physically attractive?
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 02:35 AM
1

I mean, can you blame us about being jealous of dudes who have exactly what we want but are doomed to never get?
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 02:33 AM
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This is the common idea, I think. You’re obviously allowed whatever preference you want, but As a 5’7 guy, this idea has saddened me. I take it to mean that I can’t protect anyone or make people feel safe (aside from the obvious implication that I’m not what women prefer).
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 02:30 AM
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I don’t think those are typically dealbreakers, as you showed, but I think they are typically not the preference (the preference is for something else). That matters to me too. I want her to prefer me, not settle for me.
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 02:28 AM
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Personally, I know that preferences aren’t dealbreakers, but I care about them anyway. If a woman has, say, a preference (not a dealbreaker) for a tall guy, I wouldn’t want to be with her because I’d prefer that she be into me. Not settling. Go after your preference.
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 02:14 AM
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The problem with this is that I have seen women truly be lustful towards certain men (a stereotypically example is maybe bachelorette parties, like with male strippers). This is possible. Do women just not reach their full attraction with “normal guys”? Idk, but that’s why we want to focus on looks. Forgive me if I want my woman to be into me haha.
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 02:12 AM
1

This is true, but all I can think is “does she actually want to be with the ‘normal man’ or is she settling”?
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 02:08 AM
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But even if you didn’t chat up women, you could still be physically attractive right? That’s what we’re trying to be.
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 02:05 AM
-1

What do you mean “for no reason”? If you thought the things I did and had the insecurities I had, why wouldn’t it make sense to step out of the dating pool?
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 02:04 AM
-2

Because most of the the things that I’m hyper-insecure about are things I can’t change, like my height and my dick. And I’ve heard way too many women care about those attributes to buy into an idea like “it’s all in my head”. I also feel like I’m just ugly and if a woman ever did get with me, they’d be settling. The problem with that is that reddit keeps telling me that women don’t actually find things like “dude being in shape” attractive so I don’t know how to fix that either haha. I’ve resort…
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 01:50 AM
1

But what if I’m already nice but I think I’m ugly? I want to be found attractive but women keep telling me that they don’t find things like someone in shape attractive.
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 01:47 AM
-2

Not necessarily. I don’t blame anyone. I’d love for it to be all my fault haha. I’d love to just be able to “self-improve” my way out of this shit. But I can’t.
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 01:43 AM
2

I think I’m pretty blackpilled sadly, but I don’t advocate “forced monogamy” or whatever. Because I don’t believe it’s anyone’s actual fault and I don’t want to force someone to be in a relationship with me when she obviously doesn’t want to be. I’ve gone in the opposite direction and just opted out of dating and sex altogether.
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 01:41 AM
1

One of the problems with this, though, is that you have dudes like me, who don’t think any of the shitty things especially stated in your first paragraph, but who are short. Now, I’m not in danger of “hating women” or anything, but it has hurt my mental health that people have been acting like this. So is it really a good idea?
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 01:37 AM
3

Hopefully I will my dude
/r/ExRedPill19/10/22 10:08 PM
1

Thanks for the response. I was just worried because it’s presented as the vast majority of women will end up settling. Which is scary. Even if it applies to men and women I wouldn’t want it to happen to me
/r/ExRedPill19/10/22 10:07 PM
1

Yeah I accept that, I was just worried because the idea is presented as something that happens all the time. Not just shitty people, but everyone
/r/ExRedPill19/10/22 10:05 PM
2

They settle tho
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 04:16 AM
1

I mean it gets annoying when you dont seem to fit anyones preference, I’ll say that much
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 04:09 AM
2

I’m salty that their main standards are things I can’t do anything about, leaving me effectively fucked (not literally obviously)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 04:06 AM
2

Do you expect men to get in relationships with women who make it clear they prefer different men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 04:03 AM
1

I don’t give a shit about getting a partner I just want it to be acknowledged that I’m not attractive. Just don’t lie about it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 04:02 AM
1

So what do women want?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 03:45 AM
1

Uh yeah. But people have different definitions of the term so maybe we’re thinking of different things
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 03:25 AM
3

How many settle
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 03:20 AM
1

So does height not mean anything then?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 03:20 AM
3

I’m 5’8. I don’t have a problem being short but I’m ridiculously depressed that other people seem to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 03:18 AM
1

What do I do if I’m not really confident and think I’m ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 03:06 AM
2

That’s so sad. I would definitely want to feel attracted to my partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:48 AM
2

They probably just want to be considered the hot guy for once idk
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:41 AM
1

They settle
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:31 AM
2

I mean what’s the point if you’re either gonna get nothing or get settled for
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:26 AM
1

It’s not a death sentence but it does make it seem like you’ll be settled for because women would prefer a taller guy
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:25 AM
2

They could be settling. That’d be my fucked up guess
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:22 AM
1

What if you changed the question to “what would you prefer”?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:21 AM
1

How would I stop being depressed about my height
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:18 AM
1

What if the thing that could attract women are things you can’t do a fucking thing about
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:07 AM
1

This is so much work it’s overwhelming lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:00 AM
1

But is it even worth it? I mean I feel like I’ll never be able to be what a woman wants me to be so… what’s the point
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 01:58 AM
1

I agree. I think that’s what makes it mildly annoying haha hope this isn’t too much to ask but when you say generous size what would you say that is? 7 maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:24 AM
1

I’d prefer they don’t be nice about it honestly. Then I could actually figure out where I stand. Let’s change it up though: what would you say about “bigger is better” not just that size matters? Is that true in your experience
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 08:42 PM
1

Sorry I didn’t think the other ones made it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 03:15 AM
1

I will say though that a vibrator is different than a sleeve (literally and for the purpose of the argument)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 03:25 PM
1

Well that sucks. Why do people say that size doesn’t matter then?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 03:23 PM
0

Absolutely not the same tho. I’ve never heard of a guy saying that sex sucks because of boob size. As you well know dick size influences the pleasure aspect
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 03:22 PM
1

I mean that annoys me, but it’s also understandable.
/r/ExRedPill23/07/22 03:15 PM
2

I’d agree regarding porn but people in real life talk about how great bigger dicks are too (I’m sure that won’t shock you). I can’t see it being the same, especially as only one increases pleasure. I dunno. It doesn’t seem like it should be that big of a deal, but it is to me. I can’t imagine a partner wanting to settle for a mediocre sex life. I hope I’m blowing it out of proportion though
/r/ExRedPill23/07/22 03:14 PM
1

Interesting. I can’t seem to wrap my head around it, I guess my insecurities are too ingrained. It’s fascinating how these things can take away all your confidence. I would argue though that it can’t be compared to butts because, as I’m sure you know, bigger dicks influence pleasure whereas you can’t really say that with butts. Also, I do wonder when “pornstar” became the measurement for “the most attractive you can be”. I don’t find that to be the case.
/r/ExRedPill23/07/22 03:08 PM
1

Okay I agree with that. So why do people talk about these things as if they do give more pleasure?
/r/ExRedPill23/07/22 02:45 PM
1

I agree with you. I don’t really care about bust size, but I’ll admit, that’s a difficult question to answer. What I will say is that I don’t really think they’re the same: if you lie about dick size you are denying yourself sexual pleasure because you’re acting like you like something when you really don’t. It’s not really the same way the other way around.
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 10:52 PM
1

I like this comment. However if different sizes do nothing for sexual pleasure what’s the point of having a preference?
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 10:47 PM
1

I mean if they like that they don’t have to settle for someone who does not have it though
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 10:45 PM
2

Oh okay. I gotcha. I agree with your points
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 08:58 PM
1

I don’t know where I stand on this. I’m really glad y’all have a good relationship. But Im already terrified that my partner would prefer bigger than me. Doesn’t that just mean that you prefer a kind of pleasure that he could never give you?
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 08:53 PM
1

That’s nice to hear. I agree with you that it’s a horrible thing to do to someone
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 08:50 PM
1

Well that’s nice to hear. What about the other side of the coin- the people who hype up the bigger dicks?
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 08:49 PM
1

I think you’re right but I also know that many guys insecurities (mine included) came less from porn and more from what we’ve heard women say in real life. That’s also why I think people say that women are less obsessed about dick size than men are. Women talk about whether it’s a dealbreaker, but men usually focus on women’s preferences. Women usually don’t have it as a dealbreaker but they do have preferences, which can go all over the place. But yeah I hope you’re right that they just want av…
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 08:48 PM
1

Thanks for the comment. This is something that gets me. Sure, I get what you’re saying. But that just means that it feels better. There’s no way to say that “it’s something nice to experience” without implying that it’s an improvement in some way. And I can’t really compare the examples because boobs don’t really contribute directly to sexual pleasure. Hope this doesn’t sound rude
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 08:43 PM
1

I’m trying
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 08:40 PM
2

I like your comment. I’m more worried that it’ll come out after I’m in a relationship. I’m not worried about being turned down. I’m worried about being settled for.
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 08:39 PM
1

I agree. My worries aren’t exactly rational tho. I have ocd so I overthink everything and blow things out of proportion haha
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 06:49 PM
1

Yeah I’ve heard it can definitely be too big or too small.
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 06:47 PM
1

Fair enough
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 06:44 PM
1

If you have a preference for bigger, would you feel like you were sexually settling if you were with someone smaller?
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 06:43 PM
2

I agree with you. It just isn’t easy to suddenly not care about what people are talking about (regarding size, etc)
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 06:42 PM
2

Hopefully. But that’s just my insecurities talking
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 05:03 PM
1

I agree. To be fair, though, when most insecure guys ask about this, they’re asking more along the lines of “if it were a hookup”. We know that love can fix a lot in a relationship, so they want to try to take that out of the equation, to see what y’all’s opinion is if it was based off of purely having sex. Hope that makes sense
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 05:00 PM
1

Hopefully this is the case. However, many mens insecurities (mine included) come from what we’ve heard women say in real life.
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 04:54 PM
1

The offended attitude is probably because there inevitably are women who would probably say that a dick is “perfect” because they didn’t want to hurt his feelings and say small. It’s probably porn-induced but also from real life experiences. Sadly, this is the experience that many insecure men saw first so they blew it out of proportion. Many/most women probably say perfect to mean that it’s actually perfect, but by the time they hear that, they’re too far gone and just think you’re lying. It’s …
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 04:53 PM
2

I agree practice makes perfect (or just better)
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 04:50 PM
3

I think that the reason men and women butt heads about this is because we’re thinking about different things. I think that women tend to focus on whether it’s a dealbreaker or not, while men focus on what the woman’s preference is. That’s why it seems like guys care way more. Because everyone has preferences. Insecure guys would probably only focus on the first part of your second paragraph.
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 04:48 PM
1

I dunno… they could be trying to not hurt someone’s ego I guess. Or not make them insecure. I don’t care about boob size or makeup. I can’t speak for all guys, but I mean it. I just think it’s a bit different than these two examples because at least what society teaches us is that bigger dicks can give more pleasure. So it’s not just for aesthetics. So that’s why I and others emphasize this attribute I guess. Also what do you mean by your last sentence?
/r/ExRedPill22/07/22 02:51 PM
1

Well thanks. I appreciate the response. It made me feel better haha
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 09:30 PM
1

I really liked what you said here. I agree. Here’s something I can’t seem to get over though. The reasoning behind it. When women have a preference for taller guys, even if all it is is a preference, they tend to say that it’s because it’s “more masculine” or they’re better at protecting or “more manly”. I don’t see how, even if I got ahead in the race in other ways, I could ignore those opinions. They would be insulting me. What do you think about this?
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 09:29 PM
1

True
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 09:25 PM
1

That is reassuring. It does seem like a lot of women have a preference for taller guys though
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 09:24 PM
2

Thanks I appreciate it
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 05:51 PM
1

Hope that’s true. They shouldn’t get dunked on tho. I don’t have a problem with them wanting whatever they want, I just get nervous that it’s most/all of them
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 05:50 PM
2

Sorry what does your last paragraph mean? Also I appreciate the feedback. The problem is that it’s sometimes just a preference and not a dealbreaker.
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 05:49 PM
3

So you’re saying that the height preference is usually just for taller than them? So 5’8 ends up being fine?
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 05:47 PM
2

Reddit instagram tiktok etc. not usually in real life lmao. But I haven’t asked girls in real life so…
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 05:47 PM
2

Thanks. I hope you’re right. To be fair tho, it doesn’t have to be a dealbreaker, it’s usually about preference.
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 05:45 PM
4

Yeah it’s true I’m 5’8. And I know it’s technically not short. It’s just that all I hear nowadays is the meme of either you’re 6 feet or your short. So that’s what I operate off of because that’s what I thought girls wanted
/r/ExRedPill01/07/22 05:05 AM
2

Do you feel like if you got with a great guy who wasn’t tall then he couldn’t protect you?
/r/ExRedPill01/07/22 05:04 AM
2

What’s the white pill
/r/ExRedPill01/07/22 04:58 AM
3

“Bigger can be a nice bonus” is what matters
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 12:12 AM
1

Yeah but if it’s because taller=more masculine, wouldn’t you think that that’s inherently insulting? Like even if someone decided to date me, it feels like it would be out of pity or something because they don’t see me as masucline
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 01:04 AM
1

Why? Especially if the reason is that taller guys are “more masculine”. Why would I want to get with anyone after that insult?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:59 AM
2

It’s also kind of gaslighting because short dudes have a “napoleon complex” for a reason
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:58 AM
1

Yeah but they’d prefer taller. That still matters
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:57 AM
4

Im 5’8 and I hope you’re right. Reddit scares the shit outta me
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:55 AM
1

I’m 5’8 too. You saying it’s not that bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:55 AM
1

Yeah but why the preference? Because tall is seen as “more masculine”. That is an insult to shorter guys. So even if it isn’t a requirement it’s still not cool. I’m not dating someone who even prefers someone taller
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:53 AM
2

I really hope this is the case. I’m 5’8 and I haven’t had any real life trouble with height (I haven’t dated so it doesn’t mean anything) but Reddit scares the shit out of me. I hope it’s not true
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:50 AM
1

Being shorter isn’t the handicap Reddit says it is?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:48 AM
1

Yeah but the fact that it’s a preference matters when the reasoning is that tall guys are “more masculine”. That’s a insult to shorter guys I don’t care if it isn’t a “requirement”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:48 AM
1

I’d hate to have to compensate at all
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:47 AM
1

See, that’s the problem. I want a woman to actually be attracted to me tho
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:46 AM
1

As a 5’8 guy, what do you mean it’s a noticeable problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:45 AM
1

As a 5’8 guy, it looks like I just made it. Yay me
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:44 AM
1

You saying that settling is the norm?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:47 AM
2

I totally agree with you about height preferences. Here’s the thing, though. It really seems like a lot of women lean more towards not having height as a dealbreaker, but having it as a preference. As in, they’ll date me, but they’d prefer someone taller. I feel like there are way more of those women, and I feel like that is still an issue. I would not want that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:18 AM
1

Yeah I’ve got other things going on besides my height and I’d call myself fun and interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:16 AM
1

Not literally chad, but taller than I am
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 11:40 PM
1

So women don’t care about height is what you’re saying? You’re saying I won’t have any trouble being 5’8?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 11:31 PM
1

But do they want to be in a relationship with an average guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 11:28 PM
0

People settle
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 11:27 PM
1

All of the above. I am working on myself- but for myself. I don’t know if I’ll even date. All this talk about height and shit like that makes me think it isn’t worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 11:23 PM
2

I hate that women love tall men because I can’t be tall. I don’t care about the other shit because I can get it under control
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 11:07 PM
6

I hate that they love tall men because I can’t be tall. I don’t care about the other shit. I can get that under control.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 11:06 PM
1

But what if my height makes me not even want to try? I mean I hate that it’s attractive. I hate that my height makes me apparently “un masculine”.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 11:04 PM
1

What do you mean about 5’4 being different than complaining about not being 6’2?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 11:01 PM
2

Well I can’t really do anything about my height lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 10:58 PM
1

So there are people who’s re fucked from birth. Wow that sucks. How unattractive would someone be if they were 5’8 -asking for a friend-
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 11:45 PM
1

So this subreddit thinks it’s one or the other? I came here because I’m ridiculously insecure and thought I could get some help, but that just sounds like you’re asking to be depressed and angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 11:44 PM
3

Lmao so he destined to fail. What about 5’8? Anything I can do? Or am I fucked (not literally)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 11:41 PM
1

I think I got carried away with my own insecurities lmao Wouldn’t it cover both if you were able to find a steady relationship with someone that you were attracted to and you can have hot sex with? I don’t know if I’m missing something but that doesn’t seem too terribly difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 11:41 PM
1

Wait what’s the cake in this metaphor
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 11:31 PM
2

Yeah. I agree. However, I’m going to change what I said a little bit. I think the guy wants her to want excitement and all of that, but he wants her to want it with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 11:23 PM
4

How is he a chad
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 11:21 PM
2

I mean I willfully admit everything you said. It’s not hard. But like is it not warranted? How is it wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 11:19 PM
3

How is he wrong tho
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 11:18 PM
2

I think one of the fears is that the woman is pining after those moments
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 11:17 PM
3

I think they’re, as you said, insecure about measuring up. I think they’re wrong , obviously, but I have the same insecurities. It’s not the woman’s fault or problem, obviously, but I’m terrified of being settled for, especially sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 11:16 PM
1

“Billy beta” isn’t being altruistic tho right? Like he doesn’t think he is just contributing to his wife, he thinks he’s in a mutual relationship. I don’t think they’re the same as like charity or something
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 11:14 PM
1

I don’t think it’s like that. I’m terrified of being settled for and it’s not projection at all. I would never do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 11:09 PM
1

Probably because it confirms that they are unattractive or something. I’m sure that would suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 11:01 PM
1

Why does it have to be mutually exclusive? Can you be hot and willing to commit?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 11:00 PM
0

People can settle though
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 10:59 PM
1

Yeah but doesn’t that mean an older woman might not find her guy to be attractive? Why would you do that to yourself? It sounds like I’m not gonna be found attractive and women only think that when they’re younger
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 10:58 PM
1

Are 80% of guys really not worth it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 10:56 PM
2

Yeah if you aren’t hot just be fucking celibate
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 10:55 PM
1

Well, don’t settle. That’s pretty terrible. (But it’s also bad to be gaslighted into it)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 10:54 PM
1

Can an unattractive man become attractive or is he destined for failure
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 10:52 PM
1

What is your definition of a below average man? Can a below average man become average?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 10:50 PM
4

In your experience is there a way to get from ugly to chad? Or are people just destined for failure from birth
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 10:47 PM
2

Yeah but they were made insecure by how people treated them I assume. How would you even get out of that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 10:45 PM
1

It becomes a fucking negative loop lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 10:42 PM
3

How do ugly men achieve social success
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 10:42 PM
0

So why would you fuck them?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 10:41 PM
2

What do you mean you don’t have to be a model to be above average? What are the standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 10:40 PM
2

:(
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 10:36 PM
1

How do they know? What’s so obvious
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 10:26 PM
2

Holy shit. This is depressing as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 10:23 PM
1

Tastes tend to end up being pretty similar for some reason
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 10:21 PM
2

Why do you keep including short under the list of negative traits
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 01:19 AM
0

I’m just stubborn about it. I could definitely have a good dating/sex life if I wanted to, but if women want someone taller, fine. Why would I go out and date people who don’t want me
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 11:55 PM
2

Wow
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 11:51 PM
1

Good deal. I think I’m just ridiculously stubborn. My mindset is that if I hear that women like stuff that I don’t have (height, attractiveness), then I will not date, at that point. I dunno. It feels like kind of a disservice to both me and them. Edit: also, no sex. That’s the main thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 11:49 PM
3

Are confidence and dominance interchangeable?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 11:46 PM
2

What do you mean it doesn’t mean they require both? On the other hand, wouldn’t not getting both (if that’s what you wanted) mean that the relationship and sex is lackluster?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 11:42 PM
2

Actually I’ve been hearing you’re last sentence quite a bit recently. It’s all under “size”. No one can change girth either, so bringing it up is just another thing to be insecure about
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 06:48 PM
2

Yeah but why are they the ideal? I also have a hard time seeing them as the same because bigger dicks give more pleasure (sorry, they’re “different”) whereas bigger boobs don’t really work like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 06:46 PM
2

I agree. I already do that. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:39 AM
2

Well that sucks. Not for you I guess. What counts as “a good sized one”? Would 7 count?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 02:20 AM
2

I wish I could have this mindset. I don’t know it feels like I (anyone really I guess) will never be what their partner wants. It’s depressing. Also if being well endowed is part of the ideal man, that would be another problem entirely. I’m not going to be settled for sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 02:17 AM
2

I mean if I know that that’s what women want and I can never give it to them, isn’t it a good idea to just fuck off and be celibate or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:42 AM
9

It makes you want to get out of the dating pool
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:41 AM
2

I mean, if this is true, I’ll just check out of the dating market lmao. I’ll never be what women want. Most people won’t
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:41 AM
1

I mean, but that’s pretty messed up. You can like what you want but I don’t want to be settled for in terms of what people find attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:39 AM
1

Well that sucks. So what should a guy do if he isn’t huge?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:35 AM
1

Btw when was that askreddit thread? Was it recent
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:29 AM
0

Yeah it’s definitely fucked with my head. I’m starting to realize I probably have a pretty decent size but I can’t get it into my head. I have the mentality of someone with a micro or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:28 AM
2

I absolutely sympathize with those women and I think it’s fucked up that they have to deal with that. It’s also probably true that I just haven’t seen it. I do think it makes it worse that dicks give more actual pleasure during sex. But what’s the point in “making peace with it” if women still have preferences? That’d just be trying to cope
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:26 AM
1

Yeah. I agree. It makes me want to get out of the dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:24 AM
4

I agree. But you weren’t talking big from your last two sentences? You think women get mental stimulation from a “handsome thick nice cock” that isn’t big?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:23 AM
1

You mean knowing that you can’t change your dick like you could change your body in other ways makes it worse? And that people still have preferences when you can’t change it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:21 AM
2

I dunno. I feel like that’s more of an assumption. For sure a few or a lot of guys have the preference but I don’t think it’s all of them. But for real, let’s say that’s true, all men love big boobs and women love big dicks- sorry, “prefer”. What do smaller guys and gals do? Just suck it up and settle?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:20 AM
3

I get you. But I was moreso talking about how they talk with their friends and stuff like that. For sure if they love someone they won’t care, but I’m Talking about what they’d want in general
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:18 AM
2

I’m around 7 but I have the mentality of someone with a micro lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:17 AM
2

That’s fucked up man. It makes me sad
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:14 AM
5

Yeah but nobody said that was guys preference tho
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:13 AM
7

This is kind of my point. Thanks for being honest, but why can’t others be honest. It’s fucked up. Btw how are you gonna say that girls want “normal” and then say that they prefer big?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:11 AM
5

I agree, but people need to say that. Don’t say size doesn’t matter or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:08 AM
3

I agree, but that’s not the point
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:07 AM
-2

I agree with your second point. For your first, I’d like to agree, but I haven’t heard dudes talk about tits like women talk. They don’t get as excited. Idk. Also there’s the fact that boobs aren’t specifically used for pleasure in sex, and apparently dicks give more pleasure depending on the size
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:06 AM
8

As I said to someone else, men “care” in that they care about the fact that womens preferences tend to be for bigger. Women don’t care in that they don’t really put that much weight on it. Preferences are preferences but they aren’t dealbreakers. Guys don’t tend to care about it not being a dealbreaker. They want to be the preference. Does that make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:03 AM
2

Here’s the way I look at it. Women “don’t care” in that they have preferences but they aren’t dealbreakers. So they don’t spend time and energy on it. Guys don’t care if it’s a dealbreaker or not. They care about preferences. That’s why they “obsess” more over it. Because more women seem to have a preference for bigger, while also saying that it isn’t a dealbreaker. Guys only hear the first part.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:01 AM
2

I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 12:59 AM
17

I hear you but my god “they will settle for it” doesn’t make me feel better lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 12:59 AM
1

I get you. But that’s the issue for me. Why are people so fucking fascinated with double Ds or big dicks? Even if you don’t want to have sex with them, it gets old hearing that stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 12:58 AM
1

I actually mean it moreso in the opposite way. I’m venting because I’m annoyed and can’t tell if women like bigger or not. If they do, that’s fine but I’d rather be told so I don’t waste my time. Society tells me one thing while people usually tell me another and I don’t know what to believe. For full disclosure tho I’m around 7 inches, but I obviously feel fucking small.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 12:56 AM
0

Why would it be a humblebrag?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 11:08 PM
2

Are you asking about women making men feel like pieces of shit? Sorry, I’m trying to get your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 06:13 PM
1

I mean, a man “doing his best” is staying single rather than being second choice
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 06:24 AM
1

What does that mean
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 06:16 AM
1

So you still have to be tall
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 06:16 AM
1

Is this mandatory or what? If you met a guy who you liked but was like 5’8 how would that go down?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 06:14 AM
0

I’ve never dated and I’m 23. I’m no one’s type
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 05:33 AM
1

How does that even work
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 08:47 PM
1

Because I’m not a hypocrite
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 08:45 PM
1

But she should still be attracted to him. If that isn’t the case then you know leave me alone. Saying short guys have gfs doesn’t mean anything because people settle all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 08:40 PM
1

Wat
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:16 PM
1

Wait so women generally don’t find their partners attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 11:37 PM
1

Yeah but the reason short guys aren’t as attractive is because its not as “masculine”, which means it’s inherently an insult even if you get with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 10:06 PM
1

Why the hell would I get with someone who I’m not attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 09:43 PM
1

Difference is that nowhere near all guys love big boobs while it certainly seems you’re fucked if you aren’t tall (well, not really fucked hehe)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 09:20 PM
2

What incentive is there for someone who isn’t tall to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 09:18 PM
2

I wonder why they’re so negative? Interesting. Do you think short guys are inherently physically unattractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 09:10 PM
1

I does sound kind of depressing tho. I can’t get around that part
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 09:02 AM
1

Depends on which “type” of settling we’re talking about. One is something everyone does and one is wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 09:00 AM
1

I don’t hate y’all at all but it just makes me nervous when y’all talk like this. It seems like no one is attracted to their partners or some shit
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 08:56 AM
1

I’m a bit confused, because you’re first sentence suggests that people will settle for “the best that they can get” but then you imply that they actually are attracted to and like their partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 08:54 AM
1

So the key is to get her satisfied I agree on your second point
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 08:42 AM
1

So… tall guys with big dicks?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 07:52 AM
1

But wouldn’t that make every dude in a relationship handsome?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 04:16 AM
1

So you’re saying you would say that you would have sex with someone, while actively knowing that you wouldn’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 04:14 AM
1

Don’t you think that it’s possible to be a good person/so, attractive and exciting and all that? It doesn’t seem like it’d be that difficult. It would kill me if my partner didn’t find me attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 03:56 AM
1

If you still want it, wouldn’t going against that want be settling for someone
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 03:53 AM
1

No. I think more guys like small boobs than you’re giving credit for. But sure maybe they’d be attracted to me. It just sucks to think about the fact that I’m literally talking about how little I have to offer
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 02:07 AM
1

I agree. I don’t want people to lower their standards I just want them to be honest about them. Datings pointless at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 02:04 AM
1

I am working on it. Yes it’s because of depression and other shit
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:46 AM
1

It certainly doesn’t help my ocd haha
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:44 AM
1

Why would someone who’s satisfied spend their time fantasizing about others?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:43 AM
1

So uh why are “y’all” together
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:42 AM
1

How can you be satisfied with your partner if you’re fantasizing so much about other people?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:41 AM
1

I’m just insecure. I’m not controlling. I want to be wanted in a relationship and I’m terrified of my so fantasizing about someone hotter or “better”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:40 AM
1

Do women fantasize about “better men” if they already have a great guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:36 AM
1

I mean I’d prefer my so not fantasizing about people she finds “so much more attractive than me”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:34 AM
1

And they’re all fucked up
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:33 AM
1

Ahhh holy fuck all of this makes dating too overwhelming. It’s pointless
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:33 AM
0

Why a haircut
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:30 AM
1

You can’t? You’re fucked … or actually not
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:19 AM
2

Why would I want to be with a woman who isn’t attracted to me tho?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:12 AM
1

I mean why would I want to date someone who isn’t attracted to me or thinks I’m ugly? Why would they do that to themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 12:51 AM
2

The tension comes from confusion between the two. I acknowledge that I think it isn’t what women want and then people do something that confuses me and makes me wonder
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 06:35 PM
1

Look I kinda get what you’re saying. My problem comes about not from the show, but from the fact that I want to understand what people think. I have a problem with people saying things like ‘big ones hurt and I don’t like them’ and then turning around and giving those reactions to that scene. Does that make sense? I just want people to stop tiptoeing around stuff
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 06:34 PM
1

Thanks
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 06:31 PM
1

What do you mean? I don’t necessarily have a problem with the show itself. It’s pretty much soft core porn so I know what I’m getting into even if it’s ridiculous. The reactions got to me because all of them seemed to love it, even though everyone tells me they wouldn’t. What do you mean how would I do it differently?
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 06:19 PM
1

I agree 100%
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 06:16 PM
1

To be fair I’m way harder on myself than on others. I just don’t think it’s the same as a boob preference although I don’t even know if I have one. I can’t get it into my head that preference is something I can live with. As in, I feel like if I’m not the preference then I’m being settled for. I know that this proven I care about it more than them. But also how would you even have a preference if it didn’t feel better
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 06:16 PM
1

I get what you’re saying. But I don’t care what other men think (like 99%). It’s literally about women. I’d love to believe you but idk the shit that I’ve heard people say and do really just confuses me as to what they actually think
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 06:12 PM
2

It’s not red pill stuff really. One thing that really got to me was that there was a show called sex/life on Netflix and one scene where a dude has a huge one. The thing is though is that it became a tiktok trend to film your reactions to it, and let’s just say the reactions make one insecure
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 06:10 PM
2

I am in the midst of those things, yes
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 06:07 PM
2

I don’t know like tiktok and YouTube and shit
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 02:19 AM
2

Look I’m harder on myself with some things to where I want to be the preference. I know the stats say that women usually are orgasming without dicks. It’s not about sex. For me it’s about what people talk about and what society/culture says. I know I’d be great in bed but if all I hear is about how awesome big dicks are it ends up getting to you
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 01:54 AM
1

Hey to be fair tho I’m not red pill or anything just really fucking insecure
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 01:00 AM
1

Yeah the internet probably didn’t help haha
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 12:59 AM
1

Yeah sorry about my post history haha. Maybe you’re right. It’s just hard to get it into my head. Thanks tho
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 12:59 AM
1

I appreciate the post. You’re right, but I don’t really have problems with empathy. I don’t have a problem with anything that a woman might think or have a preference for. They can do that. All I’m thinking is that if someone has a preference that is for someone who is not me then I don’t want to be with them. I might be celibate idk
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 12:56 AM
1

I mean I’m feeling like I could just be celibate or something. Like I don’t have to put up with stuff that people won’t want. Idk that’s just what I’m thinking I know it’s drastic
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 12:54 AM
7

Wow holy shit I’m sorry you had to go through that
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 12:52 AM
1

I mean I know what I’ve heard. It’s not a monolithic thing. I hear a bunch of stuff like someone liking bigger but saying it’s only a preference like it’s supposed to make me feel better. Would an accurate reading be “83% of women want x and will never be happy with me?” Btw I’m not red pill I’m just really insecure and scared to date. I’m looking to be proven wrong
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 12:50 AM
1

I mostly agree with you, but it’s literally a meme that a lot of women want guys at 6ft. So it can be definitely more than “taller than her”
/r/ExRedPill09/05/22 03:19 AM
1

I can’t seem to get it into my head that preferences are just preferences. I always feel like if I’m not someone’s preference then they’re settling for me. Any ideas on how to fix this?
/r/ExRedPill09/05/22 03:17 AM
1

People can settle
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 01:20 AM
1

Yeah well I’m 5’8 so…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 01:18 AM
1

Yes I want to be wanted by my partner and I hate that standards and preferences are so high that I probably won’t be
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 01:17 AM
1

But why would you date a person you thought was unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 01:13 AM
1

So they’re settling
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 01:12 AM
1

And should I just be okay with that? I don’t want to be settled for, which is what it means for that to be a bonus. It means it’s wanted
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 01:11 AM
1

I mean I’d rather not be considered “the bare minimum”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 01:08 AM
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