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Philipparty/r/ExRedPill19/12/20 02:55 PM
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Love is wierd to explain cause it comes in different forms. Love to a simbling or parent is obviously different than to a partner. Its kind of like if attraction became less erotic. Like, youre turned on by their vibe, not theire looks.
/r/ExRedPill15/01/24 02:07 PM
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I honestly think you have to experience it to belive it. I also used to think "love is just friendship+attraction", but there us a very distinct feeling. That feeling is the same that can make you attracted to someone that isnt attractive. Tbh, only way i know to get it is going out and meeting people. Not bars/clubs, but more social things (parties with friends of friends works, as long as its social). Attraction gets you to talk to them, and mabye sleep with them. Love is something else. Its l…
/r/ExRedPill13/01/24 10:49 PM
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I would like to say 50/50, but it honestly deoended on the girl. Some of them were more mentally healthy than others and left shortly after the bad behavior became more prominent. Others got cheated on and physically assulted, but stayed to "fix him" and the guy eventually left for someone else
/r/ExRedPill15/11/23 05:01 PM
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Might be a trend in your community, but also a lot of the bias that the loudest are seen as the majority.
/r/ExRedPill07/11/23 06:11 PM
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From my experience (aka female acuaintances, friends, and ex'es) unhealthy people feel safe/familiar in the unhealthy zone. I dont know if its attatchent style issues, a desire to fix whats bad now as a way to make up for what happened then, feeling like that is how love should be, or anything else. All I know is that every woman I that went with someone bad had their own issues. Some made them feel lesser, some made them just as bad as the guy. But not one of mye healthy friends have had any de…
/r/ExRedPill07/11/23 06:07 PM
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Hey. Sorry for the breakup (even tho it sounds like it was for the better). One of the bigger problems with the redpill approach is that it works on women who are unhealthy. If you have ever had a female friend who always go for the guys all her other friends warn her off, then you kind of get it. And redpillers want to be that guy. (Not sure why, but I assume many have a story off traumabonding with a girl, falling in love, and she goes for an unhealthy choice). To find out who to date, you jus…
/r/ExRedPill20/10/23 01:11 PM
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Yeah, in the farmersays it might be more like that. Not to mention the great war periods of early civilication where the rate of men went down to 1 for every 15th woman or something. I was speaking more in the idea that for the other 200.000+ years of human history with tribes maxing at about 150people who were hunter gatherers, having a playboy seems unrealistic for survival. Mabye 2-4 females pr male could be privided for while theire pregnant/raising the child, but more than that would be dif…
/r/ExRedPill09/08/22 01:15 PM
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Alsways good to see some healthy advice from guys who moved past just sleeping around
/r/ExRedPill08/08/22 08:02 PM
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Alsways good to see some healthy advice from guys who moved past just sleeping around
/r/ExRedPill08/08/22 08:01 PM
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Also, it barely makes sense evolutionary and cavemanwise Evolutionary, if male and female animals have drastic different sizes, its usually an indicator of hypergamy in obe of the sexes. Elephants for example, the males can get waaaay bigger, and acctually do have a lifestyle where 5% of men get 80% of women or something like that. In humans, the average man is not much bigger than the average woman, so evolutionary, wrong. Cawemanwise its also bs. All redpillers talk about how men are providers…
/r/ExRedPill06/08/22 08:28 PM
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On the sister part, he has mentioned he doenst talk to her, because he has no reason to talk to a woman besides trying to get her to sleep with him. In a simmilar gross strain he has said woman age 18-19 are best because theyre inexperienced and have had less men in their lives, kind of implying theyre easier to manipulate. In his "defence" (more like an explanation) a lot of his dumb comments are a buisniess strategy. In his entrepenour program you get 50% of the earnings for every person you e…
/r/ExRedPill05/08/22 10:50 AM
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On the tiktok part, just start clicking "not interested" on every single thing that makes you angry. The less you get the better. And unsubscribe to any youtubechannels that also either make you mad or primote toxic attitudes. Learn to regularely challenge your belifs. Whe ever you think something, see if its a belif someone else put into you, and see if you can find examples that gi against it. Find more positive mindsets and teachers. Mark Manson and Dr. Robert Glover are great. For me RSD was…
/r/ExRedPill27/07/22 11:15 AM
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Disorganized leaning towards anxious deffinately makes sense. Their desire to be accepted, but with the fear of being seen as who they really are is a promespot for cultuvating an attitude of having to be an "invulnarable alpha" or struggeling to recognize that being rude in a friendly way (like friends teasing eachoter) is more real and likable than a facade of protection and desperate admiration
/r/ExRedPill23/07/22 08:02 AM
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Ask then ti meet you at a bar. If they say yes your only job is to not mess it up and get them to your place. Talk to then, compliment, make jokes, ask questions (if you want to ask a big obe google the 36 questions for love and steal one) and touch her hands. Have a "reason" to go to your place. Watch a movie, show a video you talked aboutz have more drinks, etc. Try to get a kiss before you leave.
/r/seduction14/07/22 02:22 PM
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If you want to get stronger at a lift you need to do that lift often with heavy weights. (Obviously, if youre benching heavy, have a spot or those metal guards on the side). You also need good recovery and nutrition to increase. If youre doing full body, it should be maximum 3 times a week. Here is a beginner prigram based on one Ive done recently: (sets x reps) 3x5 benchpress (2,5-3min breaks) 3x5 squats 3x5 one arm deadlifts (less risk, just hold a dumbell on the side) 3x8-12 pullup/pulldowns …
/r/ExRedPill10/07/22 09:27 PM
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Unless youre lookikg for a girl who is really into a specific skill, then there isnt any skill that will increase your odds. Thats kind of the joke in megamind, where getting all the powers og a superhero did nothing fir those who didnt care. If you want to learn something while going after girks, learn skills you can invite them ibto/entertain with. Dancing is a good one, dj'ing perhaps, etc. But more than anything, having passions and interests is more important than how giod you are at them.
/r/seduction06/07/22 11:43 AM
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Its something I realized post (healthy) relationship, but a lot of it is due to a mix of envy and loneliness. The desperate need to feel loved and accepted unconditionally, a strong belief you wont be, and a spciety that tells you that sex is the best way to achieve this. And then there is the envy of women who are in their minds able to get sex and admiration whenever they want. And by getting with as many women as possible, or as "high value" (basically young and hot, nothing acctually valuabl…
/r/ExRedPill03/07/22 08:54 PM
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Skimmed a vid, but just seems like a generic redpiller. Selling a fantasy of being tricked out of a world of wonder that he can give you. Didnt see any sales pitches, but based on the rest it wouldnt supprise me
/r/ExRedPill13/06/22 08:23 PM
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Well, you have to remember a lot of PUA stuff is based on getting one night stands with the hottest chicks, not about getting in a healthy long term relationship. If youre at a nightclub trying to get laid, the whole pua bro type is probably more advantageous than walking around feeling bad about yourself. If youre dating for longterm, telling your partner (mabye not on the first date) that you dont feel great about yourself might be better than the 24/ stoic/pride attitude of pua bros. But its …
/r/ExRedPill12/06/22 10:49 PM
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Oh, thats a shame. I fealt like they were talking about it very neutral way, but I might not struggle with specifics they mention. I do however still think that they dont blame anyone, as they do have similar videos on female toxicity and healthy behavior. And its good to recognize what is bad, even if media makes it seem normal. But I guess its not for everyone.
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 07:36 PM
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Yeah, I might have gone a bit overboard on my hyperbole. I think most people are probably alright in bed if they want to care for their partner pleasure as well. I totally get the stress. Ive always struggeled with finnishing due to stress (sounds great, it suck). A girl Im currently seeing stressed me so much I couldnt even get ut up. Ngl a part of me wanted to cry cause she was cool and now I fealt like she has seen the flawd man that I am. Instead we just watched a movie and she texted me for…
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 05:19 PM
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Experience isnt the issue. It seems to be more confidence issue/a feeling of unworthyness. "Its only as important as you think it is" is a good way ti think of all flaws in dating. There are plenty of guys who have slept with many womeb and still suck in bed. Just pure numbers doesnt mean youre good. As long as you show a girl that youre a good listener (aka you would pay attention in bed and not just do what feels good to you) there are plenty of girls who would accept helping you get better. Y…
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 04:49 PM
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You enjoy it You grow/gain skills from it You socialize throught it Just try different things that his as many of these as possible. Martial Arts usually hits all three if youre in a gym, cooking/making art/working out hits the first two, but can include people. Its cool to have some that just hits one (watching youtube gamers f.ex usually only hits nr1, and some socializing only hits nr3) as long as you also do some that hits multiple
/r/ExRedPill09/05/22 07:57 AM
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Yeah, as I said, it might have improved a bit since I was into it, and it seems that it has. On the vulnerability part, autenticity is a part of being vulnerable. It is after all a reason a lot of girls want guys to go into therapy. Ofc you shouldnt be an emotional wreck, but if you feel sadness its ok to cry. Like if youre seeing a sad movie, meeting an old frie d, hearing really bad news, etc. If you dont then you will never feel truly intimate with the woman cause youre masking. And if the wo…
/r/ExRedPill04/05/22 01:40 AM
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Its been a while since I was into it so it might have changed, but for me it was the fact that it got worse the deeper you got in. It started great, like any group that wants members. Exercsise, work hard, build confidence and humor, etc. But slowly it gets darker. Hate on peopke who achive what they want without doing the work .take a chubby guy who is wierd, but has a hot gf, and thus it has to be because of money or something like that. Then it starts taking away vulnerability. You need to be…
/r/ExRedPill04/05/22 12:01 AM
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Youre missing the part where I said "one takes for granted what the other wants deeply". Yes, girls might have it easier when it comes to getting one night stands. But guys and girls work differently. Getting laid and having that person leave the next day, or only liking you for your body doesnt make you less lonely in the long term. Im very sorry you have a lack of intimacy in your life, but just being sexually attractive wont fix that. Youd just feel lonely in a room with others. Think of it l…
/r/ExRedPill03/05/22 01:35 AM
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Wait, what do you mean givernment rewards them for being awfull and you have to make your own deals?
/r/ExRedPill02/05/22 07:21 PM
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Not really. The moment you remove pretty priveledge, guys do have it better on average. It is very balanced and varies from person to person, and difficult to see cause what one side takes for granted can be what the other desires mostly (like me back in the day, lonely, wanted sex and lacked emotional connection with my friends, something every girl I knew seemed to have easy access to). But the more you see girls being talked over, looked over, objectified, not fairy vieved through their achiv…
/r/ExRedPill02/05/22 10:23 AM
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Why would she care thatsbwhat youre working with. As long as you earn mineybfrom it and enjoy it, say it proudly. Either she likes it/doesnt care but gets to know you better, or youll have to hide your career from her and then explain why you lied.
/r/seduction02/05/22 09:47 AM
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Yeah, thats the point of this subreddit. A lot of people here started with a almost divine view on women, got let down too many times, were told that the "truth" was that women were acctually awfull, dabbled in it and realized its just a delusion by the sad, backed by cherrypicked science. Everyone here know "The red pill" is bs. But when you get into it its sold as the truth. You should put this on a redpill post instead where they acctually need to hear it.
/r/ExRedPill02/05/22 09:45 AM
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You can be shy bith as extrovert and introvert. The chill guy at the party who doenst talk that much (or the mysterious guys that every teen wants to be) are introverts. The ones talking 24/7 and in group discussions are extroverts. It just comes down to where do you get your energy. From many or few people. Depending on co fidence levels, introverts would be better than extroverts, cause theyre more chill and require less stimulus to be at their best
/r/seduction02/05/22 09:32 AM
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No fap=not nessecary, controlling porn addiction=good
/r/ExRedPill02/05/22 08:57 AM
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I could agree that being a top 5% attractive girl probably has more perks than being a top 5% attracrive guy. (Seen some, its free parties awesome parties, meeting with famous people, invites to high society just for looks). However, youre just seen for your looks. Yeah, you get a lot of external validation, and you have a lifestyle many would want, but a lot of peopke will never know you. You also have a fear that people will use/abuse you. So the negatives are also higher. And it should be not…
/r/ExRedPill02/05/22 08:53 AM
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Everyone saying its cause they dont like their free choice is right, but there are some more. One is that high economic inequality has been linked to driving female sexualisation. USA, has that problem. And looking at instagram/tiktok/OF there are some signs of this. Not that this means these women disserve any disrespect. But to a redpiller, watching women use their attraction to climb past them pribably pisses them off. Someone else here mentioned theyre probably also stereotyping eastern wome…
/r/ExRedPill01/05/22 09:57 AM
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A bunch of things. A lot of the behaviors they have go ukder stalking behavior so you can take a lot from why that hapoens and translate it, but genreally its things like: Bad social skills, low self worth, idealization, straight up love (both passionate and compassionate), false expectations from movies, no one telling them its bad/family encuraging it, lack of pleasure in life, etc.
/r/ExRedPill26/04/22 11:43 PM
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"Looking forward to next time"
/r/seduction26/04/22 11:35 PM
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Yeah, I know. I was a teen missinterpreting dating advice, because I was horrified of losing the first person I liked. I had seen some messed up dating tips at that point (like the shogun method, with is basicaly an attempt at brainwashing) but in the end its my fault for depterately clinging to a chanse that "intense kino" would save me. Not a day goes by that I dont regret it. But I will say that the "turn a girl on and she will like you" was a pretty strong idea online in the 2015 era
/r/ExRedPill23/04/22 04:02 AM
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Then that is a great first goal. Get some femeale friends. And im talking frineds, not hopefull aquaintances. Hang out, talk deep, see their perspectives on life. Not only is variation good, but youll get emotionally closer, which often helps yourself in general. Unless you lack friends in total. In that case, id recomend starting there. Google groups with your interest and try to meet up.
/r/seduction23/04/22 03:51 AM
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Very true, it just helped me in the beginning. I was obsessing over losing my virginity, and losing it was the best way to see how unimportat just sex was. I was told it a million times, but sometimes emotions and boas gets in the way. (Late answer, deleted reddit for a while)
/r/seduction23/04/22 03:48 AM
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Do you have any female friends? Even better if you have any attraktive ones. Yes, I know the friendzone is a scary possibility, but a good first step is to become existent in some womens worlds. If you work on being your best self at the same time they might even introduce you to girls. Asking girls on dates is a good next step. Youve allready set the "were here cause i like you" frame and that does a lot. Go to parties and just chat up tons of women. Statistically you will get laid. Lastly, tak…
/r/seduction26/03/22 07:14 PM
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Id recomend working on dating while doing this tip, but here is what finally broke everything for me. Its core confidence, and it comes self love. Not the, eat a burger and watch a funny movie kind. But the deep kind. Talking to your inner child and facing why you as a kid fealth worthless and unloved. Giving yourself (or child self) unconditional love and value. Talking to a therapist and fixing issues. If your internal/child/shadow self (whatever metaphor works) doesnt feel like it is loved no…
/r/seduction10/11/21 04:50 PM
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The last line is 100% it. Plenty of hot girls out there who likes "healthy nice guys" (not doormats without values and opinions, but just nice people), so better to just not let someone who cant recognise your worth affect you.
/r/seduction05/11/21 10:03 AM
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It should be noted that a lot of people have unresolved relationship issues, and go for what feels familiar or stimulating. If you think you disserve shit and drama, then somebody normal wont give you the same energy as someone shitty
/r/seduction05/11/21 09:31 AM
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And the fact that they just care for modelesque women, makes it seem like they desoerately need external validation from guys as well. Not very "alpha" of them indeed
/r/ExRedPill13/10/21 12:48 PM
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Yes, you are 100% right. What I am most upsett about is that I did something awfull to someone I care for, because an online cult told me it would lead to happieness.
/r/ExRedPill07/07/21 10:44 AM
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Its some overlap, but a lot of modern pick up culture revolves around "present the best you" "dont be afraid to be silly or handle tought talk", "move on quickly and find someone who does like you". RP is more "trough soecific actions you can make their no a yes"
/r/ExRedPill28/06/21 01:31 PM
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Yeah 100%. I dont really think about her (or other crushes) anymore, but any time they initiade contact some hope flares up
/r/ExRedPill28/06/21 10:30 AM
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Yeah, youre right
/r/ExRedPill28/06/21 01:56 AM
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Yeah, I have more or less. We just talked earlier today, and then I had some beers and started tog et mad at my bad behavior. As a person who hasnt been in a healthy long term relationship, do you ever get iver your earlier crushes?
/r/ExRedPill28/06/21 01:15 AM
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Haha, well said on the apology video part. I have apologized to her face to face a few years back. I cant say it was perfect, but I dod admit to all my faults and admitted I didnt understand how hard it must have been for her. Again, I have had a relatio ship since (and she got some friends that made her personality less enjoyable) but I still get the "what ifs" from time to time
/r/ExRedPill28/06/21 12:27 AM
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Yeah, youre right. Luckily we dont see eachother regularely, it onsly throught the occational snap. It might just be me imagini g how it would have been if I saw than what I can see now. That either it works or it wont. No manipulation. Again, half the problem is mee standi g between continuously appologizing (i have done so as propperly as I can) and trying to be at a neitral field
/r/ExRedPill28/06/21 12:24 AM
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Thanks. I really needed to hear that today
/r/ExRedPill28/06/21 12:21 AM
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Well said. I have taken what that sotuation taught me to hart and have not had anything similar happen since. I do feel bad that she had to be a victim of my learni g tho. And yes, I am holding back feelings for her. Half of them may just be memories and overplaying potential ideas
/r/ExRedPill28/06/21 12:21 AM
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Parents mostly. Any online tip ive gotten afterwards were the oppositte, but anything from my mom was in that mindsett. In hindsight, ot was probably her way of saying "let it happen naturally/casually, dont confess dramatically like a wierdo" without the proper words.
/r/ExRedPill16/06/21 09:35 PM
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Tottaly. I also have a theory that in earlier days its usually two kinds of people who get popular (and thus popular woth women). Its the great guys, and then its the ones that get there undisservingly, either by using force or having good looks (often both). As they also usualy take up more space its easier to notiece those at the top, instead of all the great people
/r/ExRedPill16/06/21 02:10 PM
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I cant say for everyone, but the two main reasons it spoke to me was: A) Personality wise, I would have been a popular kid. Ive always gotten along best with the popular kids, and have at best co-existed with people lower on the social hierarchy. However, I was bullied by someone who shouldnt have been a popular kid, and spendt the next few years beliving anyone above me socialy would treat me badly. This ofcourse became an issue when the girls I could be chill with gave me no chemistry, and the…
/r/ExRedPill16/06/21 10:51 AM
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It gets asked a lot, not only because a lot of celeberties girls say they love are skinny (pete dawidson, harry styles, machinegun kelly), but also because of people saying thing without clear borders. "I wouldnt date a guy with muscles" could mean she thinks a pro bodybuilder is wierly muscular, but it most likely doesnt mean that someone who lifts regularely is off the market. Its like the "women like dadbods over six packs", its true, but only if six pack means below 8% bodyfat, and dad bod m…
/r/seduction12/06/21 09:37 AM
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You need to forget all the redpill techniques, such as "dont validate her". The short story is this: there are only three options. A) she likes you/is interested. B) she is undecided. C) she doesnt like you/not interested. You can push someone from b to a, but you cant (in a short timespan) change someone from c to a. Youve probably had someone you werent interested in. A compliment from them pribably didnt change that. However, a compliment from someone youre unsure on can make you more interes…
/r/ExRedPill23/05/21 09:04 AM
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I know the feeling. I used to have a lot of female friends in highschool who were either very sexual, or had had some apparance dissorder (anorexia and stuff). They were thus very superficial when they talked about guys, cause to them all that mattered was sexual pleasure and aestetics. (This was ofcourse a very small minority, that was as insecure as myself) Now that combined with the fact that I would gladly sleep with all of them, did not make me think the world was about more than looks or t…
/r/ExRedPill04/05/21 07:59 AM
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I feel like you lissed a lot of the point. The point was "high levels of self inmprovement wont do a lot for overall dating, exept one night stands (where showing off muscles, money, and fame is very high value) In overal dating, most people are average, and will therefore not nessecarily mix well woth someone of a very high or very poor lifestyle. If you push it up to average, it can help. (And how young are we talking, cause 10-20 is a very superficial and popularity based age) And you can ver…
/r/ExRedPill02/05/21 06:58 PM
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Its a deeper question than it seems, but half the answer lies in that reddit dating advice is very often aimed at either getting one night stands (more superficial than regular dating), or getting unnatainable lifestyles (think dan blizerian. If you dont have a super rich dad, fame, mma body, and enugh influence that girls will sleep with you for clout and fame, than it wont happen. Sorry) To some degree they do have a point tho. A lot of guys (on reddit) have very sedentary lives. Just scrollin…
/r/ExRedPill02/05/21 05:15 PM
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I was refering to sexoholics. And it doesnt need a solution. The point was just to stob obsessing over sex, especially the idea of sex with really beautifull people. You can want it, you can enjoy it, just dont tie your self worth or joy to it.
/r/ExRedPill26/04/21 06:54 PM
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I never said that. We want sex, just like we want food and water. The desire to mate is an instictual drive. However, an obsession with sex, and tying your self worth, masculinity, etc, to it isnt. You have people who dont get laid, who dont really care. They know that person wasnt right for them and take no offence. You have people who have lots of sex, but still needs more partners, cause theyre trying to fix something. And its impirtant to point out that its usually an obsession with their cu…
/r/ExRedPill26/04/21 02:34 PM
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Ok, but do you develop emotional connections with those women that you do find attractive? Cause attraction cant really be manipulated, but connection can. But if your attraction is exlusively to very physically attractive women, then i hope youre atleast talking to, and flirting with them
/r/ExRedPill25/04/21 10:39 PM
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Do you mean that the moment you have a connection youre no longer attracted? What I said wasnt a tie down. Sex is just (often) a lot better when you have a emotional connecrion with them.
/r/ExRedPill25/04/21 01:28 PM
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Fair enugh. But the desperate desire for sex has to come from something. And given that there are people who dont have sex who dont have an incel/redpill mindsett, I dont think just sexual desire can be the whole explanation
/r/ExRedPill24/04/21 02:23 PM
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How about "bitchy masculinity", as guys generally tend to take words more litteraly, a vague insult (like bitch, jerk, dick) could work better. Alternatively, cater to the right audience and call it "beta masculinity"
/r/ExRedPill24/04/21 12:09 PM
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100%. Sex is about connection. Wouldnt suprise me if the entire incel/redpill movement was rooted in a lack of emotional intimacy, and seeing sex as the only way to get (any) intimacy
/r/ExRedPill24/04/21 12:04 PM
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There are a lot of differences in texting and talking. Texting lacks emotions, body language, vocal tone, and momentum. Most choises we make are emotional, not verbal, so comunicating with just words is very unnatural. So its probably just a natural responce to be more concious of the words when texting
/r/seduction04/04/21 07:53 PM
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Ill admit I havent watched the video before posting. I moght do an update. No, I dont really belive in the alpha male thing, because so amy people missuse the word. The most charismatic and attractive guys ive met are both also very physically atractive and are both really nice people. One of them has never braged about anything while I know him, yet every girl who knows him dig him. Ive met guys who fit the "youtube alpha" perfectly (two specifically) one got a lot of girls, but half were drunk…
/r/seduction03/04/21 05:09 PM
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True, its been used in science a lot. But France De Vaal, the author of "chimpanzee politics" (the book that made the term "alpha male" a social thing) really dissagrees with what alpha males truly are and what society says. In chimpanzees, the alpha is rarely the biggest ape, almost never the meanest/bully, and is usually the one woth the most empathy and the one that can make neutral decitions wothout thinking of its own sake. Pretty dofferent from how a lot of books and videos tell you that a…
/r/seduction03/04/21 05:02 PM
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Its not about beign good looking, its about looking good. Shave it and own it. But I understand what you mean with girls at your age. Middleschool-early colledge is the most superficial time for most people. Everything becomes about status. That can be a problem, but a fit, well dressed, cool guy who owns his hair loss would 100% balance it out
/r/seduction02/04/21 10:40 AM
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We are more visual and take things more direct. Lots of eye contact, play with your hair,touch your face, touch his hand/shoulder, give compliments, have a good time with him.
/r/seduction31/03/21 09:59 AM
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None of those things are non masculine. Dont fall for the false idea that being aggressive/distant/unemotional is inherently more masculine. These things can and will work for you. As long as you talk to people, show interest, are non needy, and look the best you can, then everything will be fine. Seeing a few extremes with a lot more going for them (like fame) isnt a fair to compare yourself too.
/r/seduction30/03/21 07:46 PM
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About as powerfull as when you realise a girl has options. Having options is more about treating her like a person (more than a prize)
/r/seduction29/03/21 10:00 PM
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Yes, they hold some truth. Otherwise they wouldt attrack people. "The best lies are the ones that contain some trouth". The problem is like you say, they go overboard. And a lot of things that arent true, they treat as facs, even if their other facts go against it. And they really push the "if you fail its your fault, not the ideals", so its hard to see the flaws while in the system. (Also they play on peoples biases and falce ibfo a lot. Like "women love assholes, so you have to be an asshole t…
/r/ExRedPill24/03/21 10:37 AM
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Well, under no circumstances is the black pill a good choice. Its just the red pill with more self hate and fatalism. Exred pill is basically taking the red pills red pill. You can take the red pills blue pill, and stay in candy-cult land. Women are all hypergamous, being manipulative and a jerk is attractive, 20% guys get all the women, all women would cheat, etc. Or you take the red pills red pill and wake up. You see that its a mix of good and bad things. Getting in shape and dressing well is…
/r/ExRedPill24/03/21 10:20 AM
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Yes. This was mostly a "before you talk to them" prinsiple, cause some people get way to into their heads, and knowing why help resisting it
/r/seduction23/03/21 12:34 PM
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Dont confuse "not being a nice guy" with "being an asshole", or more specifically non-needieness vs indifference/derogatory. Looks isnt all that matter (tho on tinder it helpes a lot) but jerk behavior is almost exlusively rewarded to very attractive or very popular/famous guys. Its called the halo effect and its that we assign positive traigts to other positive traigts (attractive=smart, nice, cool, confident. But it also means nice=smart, cool, kind/ confident=smart, cool, nice). In short, neg…
/r/seduction21/03/21 05:54 PM
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Thanks for the info. I just want to say, that I only think some of the issues women face could be fixed by fixing some make issues. The whole system is another issue
/r/ExRedPill20/03/21 11:02 PM
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Fair point. I guess I didnt think of the inherent power dynamic that is often included.
/r/ExRedPill20/03/21 09:02 PM
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Sounds fair. ED is way more common in girls due to the body image pressure they get, so a personality dysphoria might be a thing among guys due to the attitude pressure they get instead
/r/ExRedPill20/03/21 07:18 PM
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Well said
/r/ExRedPill20/03/21 07:04 PM
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50% number came from this article: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://shareok.org/bitstream/handle/11244/9466/Voller_okstate_0664M_2201.pdf%3Fsequence%3D1&ved=2ahUKEwi_zPegur7vAhWrl4sKHWhOAQkQFjAAegQIARAC&usg=AOvVaw0_YTzbN4UVhaGHgad1ekVN
/r/ExRedPill20/03/21 06:40 PM
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You can think of it like food. People choose what looks good, so if your meal tastes good, but looks sub-par, then you need to actively share it. Give small tastes, present it with confidence, etc
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 02:39 PM
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Not everyone is genetically disposed to growing beards. And it was just a first example. Being 195 might not be as attractive in certain parts of the world as it is in the us. Amd ish, the problem isnt that people dont get to know you deep unless you look good. The problem is that no one else takes initiative if you dont look good. I had some of my deepest connections while I looked like a obese dude with an amish beard. But I ruined most of them because I tried to use seduction techinques i did…
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 02:34 PM
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Is dumb. Jk, but there are some annoying things there that I just couldnt be around. The primary offender it the dogmatic teachings. Cherrypicking fackts, even things that arent true, downplaying women, and overplaying "chads". Alphas in chimpanzees are empathic and are never bullies. Theyre also rarely the biggest or strongest. (Franz de waal has more on this). Another is the anger, and the exuses to fulfill it. Women like nice guy. Period. Otherwise, youd see a lot of ugly assholes with hot wo…
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 02:25 PM
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First of all, cut off whatever social media keeps feeding you that all men are evil. Thats just the parallell to guys going red pill. Second, most guys who are evil usually harms more that one. If 9/10 women are harrased, it does t mean 9/10 menn harass. Its likely 1/10, and they usually group up. Third, get some gay male friends (and not just 3 from one group). See to what degree they objectify men, and youll have a pretty similar comparison to how straight guys do it to girls. And lastly, dont…
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 02:06 PM
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Well 1, 3, 4 are relatively simple. There are plenty if girls that look average, want a boyfriend, and would like you. Is a bit harder, just because you cant look for that the same place youbwould for sex. You wouldnt find one of those girls by hitting on her in a nighclub. The best would be a colledge campus, work, etc. But I am curious, if you found this girl, and she died a few years later, would you look for a new virgin, or also someone who has had 1 partner?
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 02:02 PM
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Looks are important in one night stands, and when it comes to the halo effect. When people get to know you on a deeper level, those two things mean less. Its just a bias the mind puts up. A good way to know its just mental is to look at different parts lf the world. Beards are attractive some plases, not all. Being fat is attractive certain plases, skinny others. Jawline is viewed as important some plases, not as important in other.
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 01:55 PM
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Its flawed because we cant see it, we can only theorize about it. But trp dont really use evolutionary psychology. They just pick and choose things that fits their mindset
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 01:49 PM
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Because they still belive that happieness and self worth comes from women. The world really likes to view men as either dangerous or just waste of space, so the idea that women, who the world views as spectacles' hold the key to fixing it is common. Also the fact that sex is very intimate, so you basically have someone confirm your value as a person. This ofcourse only works in short term. So all the fixing, confidence, money, etc, is just a way to get what makes you feel better about youself. A…
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 01:48 PM
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Well yes. A lot of it is just self help. But I dont think they would have gotten a fanbase without it.
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 01:43 PM
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https://youtu.be/S1xxcKCGljY Here you go
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 01:40 PM
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Theyre very much not "the real pill". They are people who likes to blame everything and not take responsibility. Otherwise, they would have used actuall biology and psychology, not just exuses. Now, here are some actuall facts on humans and sex. Men and women are neither naturaly hypergamous. Male elephants are hypergamous, humans are not. Women view looks as less important than men do, in relationships, but inteligence, empathy, and kindness are ranked highest. Looks-extroversion-dominance-kind…
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 01:40 PM
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But why are you jealous of how much sex with stranger they get. (Imentioned in a previous comment that looks matter a lot in short term sex, but not in long term). But short term sex doesnt give you anything. I know you rejected therapy, but you should try to look into yourself and see why you want one night stands so much. Humans biologiaclly likely had 1-2 mates (with a few exeptions). If it had been more, then guys and girls would have bigger physical differences.
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 12:12 PM
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Hey, important fact. Looks only matter in short term sex. But they do matter a lot there. So comparing yourself to two popular jocks on how popular they are at a club scene is figting on a unfair battlefield. Also, in greece, the extrovert heaven. Find people whobare like you, and go from there.
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 12:07 PM
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A certain thing that could count for evidence is reactions to cheating. (In a male woman relationship) if the woman sleeps with another guy, thats worse than having romantic feelings for someone. For girls however, the being "emotionally cheated" is worse. This is on average, but it clearely shows that girls have more emotional investement
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 12:00 PM
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(No idea what happened at the bottom text there). Id also recomend contrapoints video called "men". It talkes about a lot of issues, and she is in the unusuall position of having experienced both sides.
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 11:52 AM
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Here are som things that could help view things with a larger perspective. Sorry, its long, and my dyslexia makes it hard to find errors The horn/halo effect. Every human who isnt aware does this. The halo effect is that when you see a positive traight, you automatically assign that person other positive traights. This goes very hard for good looking people. So attractive people will be viewed as smarter, nicer, funnier, less evil, etc. (This is where the "girls love assholes" attitude comes fro…
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 11:51 AM
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Not to mention the irony of "all women are hypergamous", but they still have "slut shields" and guys learning to sleep around is just nature
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 11:10 AM
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Most basic skill that will improve your game as fast as possible: Look as good as you can. Fat? Lose weight. Skinny? Build muscle. Smell bad? Be sure to use bodywash ans scrub your feet. Dress well, fix your hair, etc. This help due to the halo/horn effect. People assign you positive attributes if you look good, and negative one if youre not. (No this does not mean you need a "chad jawline", it just means that if youre overwiegth and dress in baggy clothes people will asume youre lazy, unsocial,…
/r/seduction18/03/21 11:51 AM
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I think it comes from a mixture of seeing (or rather being told by media) that women are the key to your worth as a man, and the realisation that women have an easier role in one night stands. (Not in dating as a whole, but just one night stands where its just about sex) While women deffinately still have it worse of in general than guys, to a lot of guys it can seem like girls get everything they ever dream. You get attention, you are viewed as a spectacle, you get emotional support, and if you…
/r/ExRedPill14/03/21 09:02 PM
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First of all, your bible knowledge is really impressing. And Im glad you took my commet well. I was afraid I sounded degrading. But on your issue, the first step to fixing any problem is realising that it needs fixing. You seem like a good person, so im sure that putting the effort in will reward you :)
/r/ExRedPill07/03/21 10:48 AM
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Are we talking about repills or about women in the eyes of redpills
/r/ExRedPill06/03/21 06:58 PM
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Here is an example: Ypu dont really like store bought cake. You think they taste fake. But they do look amazing. Now imagine if someone had brought that to a party, and another had brought a homemade icecream kake, that looked like mud, and smelled nothing, due to the ice. But it tastes amazing. Which one would you try first? Obviously the one that looks good. But what if they made the ice cake look good. Not as good, but good. You might consider. Mabye after a tiny taste you deffinately go for …
/r/ExRedPill06/03/21 04:03 PM
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Since it was apperently not clear enught. Yes looks matter. But only as far as wanting to "taste your dish". After that its about the taste. And you need to do what you can with your dish. If you methaforically cooked fish, and someone else made sushi, the sushi will likely look more appeticing. But that doesnt mean you cant do a lot with your dish to make that look as good as possible.
/r/ExRedPill06/03/21 03:55 PM
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Im sorry, I dont understand how its pro redpill? Ofcourse, not onlybredpillers complain about how everyone cares about looks. But, like Mark Manson says, the fastes way to improve your dating is to dress well and get in shape. Some things you cant fix, but you can do the best with what you have. And yes, people do care a lot about looks. Thats the point if the metaphor. Thats why I added the "do the best with what you have". You might not have chris hensworths body, but you can do a lot with you…
/r/ExRedPill06/03/21 03:53 PM
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Im arguing against the redpill. Thats why I added the two examples of how to go about it at the end. One is the "giving up/blaming" that a lot of toxic redpillers have. The other is just genuine self development and advice. Its nothing wrong with wanting to be loved my many. But its not magic, and its not 100%unfair. I tried to make ot show that you just need to playbaround your dissadvantage
/r/ExRedPill06/03/21 03:33 PM
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Dude, I feel like you missunderstood the post. It wasnt about mens value being exlusive to the value women give them. It was about a suicidal man, who used this to abuse his family, and also emotionally abused his ex'es and his sister (yes, saying all women are whores to a girl is abusive. Just like saying "kill all men/all men are pigs" to a guy can be abusive). I agree with you that some guy groups get unnessecarily much hate, and how that can lead to dehumanisation and villification of men to…
/r/ExRedPill06/03/21 02:53 PM
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Its simple. Here is how dating works: you are authentic, vulberable, non-needy, and express your desires. (To an outsider it looks like you know youll get the girl, but in reality, you just know beating around the bush wont change anything). Now why is there so much theory? Because being rejected sucks. And people who come here have a hope that they can achive "never getting rejected again" or "get that one girl". One is impossible, and the other is 50/50. She likes you or she doesnt. But this l…
/r/seduction01/03/21 04:06 PM
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You should have just asked if you could join them
/r/seduction28/02/21 11:20 AM
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Tip 1. If you have male friends, find guys with girlfriends. (Both lovers and female friends) and then become friends through them. Youll have a neutrall buffer, and it wont be awkward
/r/ExRedPill26/02/21 05:30 PM
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Got to love the RP/capitalism combo. No political pushing here. It is funny how the RP sounds so much like poor conservatives. Its everyone elses fault, you just need to oull yourself up by your bootstraps, if you work hard youll get it...exept me, Im just flawed, its not my fault. If it wasnt for feminism/democrats/communism, id also be getting women/money/fame.
/r/ExRedPill26/02/21 05:28 PM
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Id recomend contrapoints. Her humor isnt for everyone, but the videos "incel" and "men" give a great nutreal view on this whole thing.
/r/ExRedPill26/02/21 05:24 PM
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Its no point, its surrender. Its basically negative nihilism, but its also the most dangerous part of any of these groups (incel, RP, MGTOW) as its the only one that gives you the attitude if "nothing matters, youll never be happy, so why would it matter if you took revenge"
/r/ExRedPill26/02/21 05:23 PM
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The worst part is the hypocrosy. They feel like dating isbharder, because we have access to everyone. That one guy who slept with every girl you had a crush on in highschool? You can now see him do that online. Those few guys who are just naturally good with women? Might be 1% but thats all you see. Esoecially if thats a area youre unhappy. But these guys are, in my experience, never "manly". Heck, the guy who I know slept with 8 of my crushes in highschool is an average looking petite guy, who …
/r/ExRedPill26/02/21 05:20 PM
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How is telling her she is gorgeous and wanting to touch her needy? Pure honsety means "take me as I am or leave". That not needy. Needy is trying to say something fancy so she doesnt leave, cause you "need" her to stay.
/r/seduction26/02/21 05:12 PM
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Why not?
/r/seduction24/02/21 12:03 PM
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Nah, youre confusing bread for fame(/success). Fame works really well on women, money doesnt have too. Thats why the broke musician who gets 1000+ people on his free gig is more populatr than the random emploee that has saved a lot. (But ofcourse, a balance is best)
/r/seduction24/02/21 12:02 PM
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True. If you want a girlfrind, the nice guy approach is almost correct. Just dont hide your desires/interests/personality, due to a need of being liked. Think of jekyll and hyde. When you try to be just jekyll (good/perfect) and hyde your hyde (sexual/edgy/different) youll constantly come off as uncanny, and youll likely have an outburst eventually. If you can balance them, being good but honest, then youll do great. And remember, we generally view others vulnerability better than we view our ow…
/r/seduction24/02/21 11:59 AM
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Sorry, but its better to get it out there. And one really shouldnt pursue anyone who has a partner.
/r/seduction22/02/21 05:38 PM
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Then you let her stay with the other guy. Thats not friendzoned, that being rejected, but being kept on the hook
/r/seduction22/02/21 04:27 PM
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There is no friendzone (technically). Its eiter "likes you", "doesnt like you" or "uncertain". Doesnt like you wont change, unless you both change on a deep personal level. (That includes her, and will take saveral monts, if not years, so move on) On the two others, you just need to ve direct and honest. If she likes you (or decides to give it a go) youre good. If she doesnt, youve saved yourself a lot of emotional pain
/r/seduction22/02/21 04:14 PM
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Oh. I thought cold appriach was just the term for approaching someone without any insentive, exept personal attraction/quriosity
/r/seduction22/02/21 02:03 PM
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No. How would it be? You see someone you find attractive, you have three options. Someone introduses you to them, they come up to you, or you go up to them.
/r/seduction22/02/21 10:19 AM
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Whats the difference?
/r/seduction22/02/21 10:17 AM
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Honestly, Im just repeating what a personal trainer told me. But yeah, testo is decreasing, obesity lowers testo, these might be linked
/r/ExRedPill19/02/21 04:01 PM
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Here is a famous one from 2007, where they say testosterone has dropped with about 1% pr year since 1980s https://www.reuters.com/article/health-testosterone-levels-dc-idUKKIM16976320061101?edition-redirect=uk Here is a similar studie with danish men. https://www.icenews.is/2010/05/17/testosterone-levels-decreasing-in-danish-men/#axzz4f1HF2xrr The main theories are that its due to obesity (as it lowers testosterone) and less smoking (as it hightens testo) https://www.nature.com/articles/ijir2008…
/r/ExRedPill19/02/21 02:55 PM
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Im not gonna say theyre a scam, cause they did help me a lot, but that might just be because they made me more self aware, and made me socialize more. But for theyr programs I can say this. Ive bought 10 commandments, blueprint, and I watched on my buddy bought. In short, they can all be cut down to this: -Guys are supposed to initiate -Be someone you would desire -Be proactive, especially with your weaknesses -read Models, No More Mr nice guy, art of not giving a fuck And thats basically it. Th…
/r/seduction17/02/21 10:40 AM
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Love the awereness, but little about this has to do with testosterone. In psychology there is a rule to not give a diagnosis, if a more common one also matches, unless it came afterwards. A lot of this sounds like depression and social anxiety. I think general socializing (with guys) can help a lot. Cause besides not being obese, and not eating too unhealthy, its not a lot that acctually changes testosterone. A workout boost it yes, but it wont neccesarily get caut by your brain
/r/ExRedPill17/02/21 12:20 AM
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Yeah, I can totaly recognise the flow from sometimes tonallways. Personally I had to make a mental choise of just browsing porn (I like images more than videos, so it takes a bit longer) to an hour a day. Otherwise I could easily just keep looking and dig deeper for hours on end. Its more of a "if youre gonna masturbate, then do it allready" attitude😂😅
/r/ExRedPill16/02/21 11:07 PM
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Very much so. I realisied my ignorance in assuming everyone who does no fap does it to improve their game and become manlier.
/r/ExRedPill16/02/21 10:19 PM
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Thats a understandable position. I guess I didnt think about that, as Ive only met the "the reason youre not getting women and rich is low testosterone. Just stop masturbating and become a real man" But yeah, I can see the other issues it could be tied too
/r/ExRedPill16/02/21 10:18 PM
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Yeah, ive experienced the same
/r/ExRedPill16/02/21 09:12 PM
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Id start by adding comfirmation-bias. You might not see all sodes of the guy, and you most likely dont see all the other decent guys who gets some. Not to mention the idea of sexual favors for drugs... And while were on erotic-litterature, the five most common male characters are ceos, doctors, vampires, pirates, and werewolfes. Its almost like someone woth power giving it up vecause they need this woman os attractive.
/r/ExRedPill16/02/21 09:10 PM
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Yes it is. Its redirected trauma. Its the same argument transphobes/racists use. They cant see anything exept the potential of a man/woman taking advantage of the situation. Its also mixed woth a lot of "amount of victims=amount of abusers". Yes, most rapist are men, but far from all men are rapists. Every woman youve adored was abusive, but not every woman is abusive. But its enugh on both sides to pull that argument.
/r/ExRedPill16/02/21 09:06 PM
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Yeah, I should probably add that a lot of the bibles stories is based on earlier mythologies, and a lot is rewritten under political leaders agendas. Not saying its wrong, but the book soecifically is very political
/r/ExRedPill16/02/21 08:57 PM
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I think we both know the redpill lines to cherrypick its "biological facts"😉
/r/ExRedPill16/02/21 08:55 PM
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Idk. A lot of angry guys who want to be mor manly. Bever got it, but Im qurious on others views
/r/ExRedPill16/02/21 08:53 PM
2

Fair point. I havent heard about getting ED from porn (more from hard hand grip) but the unrealistic standards is true
/r/ExRedPill16/02/21 08:53 PM
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First iff, half lie. Just like you dont tell a girl you want to f*ck her right away, dont tell her youre a virgin right away. Just say youre inexperienced and have never really had the time to date. Anyways, tips for dating. My psychology teacher specialises in dating and sex, so I can just give direct info. (Now, you already have wealth and fitness, so youre ahead of the curb). So, here is what improves your dating game. 1. Be extroverted. This can be faked. (It just show you to many people) 2.…
/r/ExRedPill16/02/21 08:52 PM
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An easy tip. Introduce him to Philosophy Tube and ContaPoints. Nothing is better that getting good examples. Theyre both very impartial, sensitive, and wholesome. Id recomend "men, abuse, trauma" from philosophypoint", "men" by contrapoints, and "incels" by contrapoints first. The first one is really about male pain and supression. Having your brother watch it might losen a lot up instantly. The two by contrapoints are philosophical discussions, but she is in a position where she can give insigt…
/r/ExRedPill16/02/21 08:44 PM
2

Im so happy for you buddy. You made it :) No matter what hapoens in the future, hold that memory close
/r/ExRedPill16/02/21 08:39 PM
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Facinating, using the apple of eden as a red pill analogy. Id like to support your claim (but word it differently) by adding the fun fact, that biologically speaking, we are just as likely to have had matriarchies instead of patriarchies. And as women are more socially and emotionally intelligent, they would naturally be more powerfull in oeacefull times. Id also like to add, that Ive allways found it facinating how quick adam and eve were to jump on the boat and eat the apple. Alsmost like they…
/r/ExRedPill16/02/21 08:37 PM
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Yes it does. He is sharing his pain. 100% valuable info
/r/ExRedPill16/02/21 08:28 PM
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Oh, interesting. Cause I do have plenty of female friends, but not one of those friendship have enugh sexual energy to include playfully spanking me. Can you explain "emotional exange of energy"? Is it just feeling something you want the other to feel, or is it expression words and language you feel openly?
/r/seduction16/02/21 06:55 PM
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Now the question is, how do I get that kind of friendship
/r/seduction16/02/21 06:48 PM
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Im not living in a fairy tale, It does happen a lot. But then again, just 50% of people have sexure relations, and avoidants (those who would show little interest and emotional distance) make up the majority of the dating pool, as they stay in relationships shorter. I just wanted to point that out, as a lot of dating advice is tailored to go for avoidants. And avoidants are not someone you should date unless you have healthy attatchements yourself. But yes, it is important to be the best person …
/r/seduction16/02/21 12:04 PM
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But that just means the relationship is toxic in some way. Cause then she either does it often, because she is afraid of losing you (needieness) or she rarely does it, but is afraid someone giving a more continous affection will be more attractive. A healthy partner would give you awesome blowjobs cause she likes you, not out of fear of losing you
/r/seduction16/02/21 11:29 AM
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Depends on the chasing. Do you want to get laid or do you want a relationship (both get sex, but intentions are different). One the one night stand side, just dress well, be direcr, try a lot, have edgy humor. If you can be authentic and look the best you can with your genes then you will get laid in nightclubs. For dating, its more about you as a person. Be honest about your interest and share them. Give compliments that are genuine, not yuse "youre hot". Have goals (can be anything from winnin…
/r/seduction15/02/21 04:25 PM
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Long answer, sorry. Ive just been waiting for this Personally, I call my self a feminist, but I view that as including both men and womens rights. Its very easy to feel a form of "us vs them" attitude, especially when there are people who use their trauma as a way to generalise and express anger. I could probably spend an hour tyoing every personal belif I have on politics down here, but instead Ill give you some things to look at that gives a healthy perspective, along with some advice. My beli…
/r/ExRedPill14/02/21 01:57 AM
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Clean your room. Hire an exterminator to get rid off the roaches permanently. Get better pictures. Be more direct. Practice being more extroverted
/r/seduction12/02/21 11:41 AM
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Dont worry dude. The narrative that everything happens, and should happen in highschool is bs. And the fact that you do get hit on means youre probably far ahead of most guys your age. With hot girls, the only thing you can do is be proactive. Ask them out. Touch them (appropriately). Flirt. Basically, find your other side that gives into desires wothout fear of social fallback. People are too concerned about themselves to care if you fail, unless you make it a big deal
/r/seduction11/02/21 12:03 PM
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Or its not just about sex. If a girl you were dating had a reason she couldnt have sex for say a week, would you just be like "no, no worth here. How can I have a good time with you if sex isnt on the table"?
/r/ExRedPill11/02/21 12:16 AM
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Isnt that just like having a rich friend? If they as "hey, I want to give you money. You down?" They would mostly say yes. But why does that matter. You didnt become friends with them just so they could give you money. And you can be friends with them, even if you would love for them to buy you stuff.
/r/ExRedPill11/02/21 12:10 AM
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Same. I need more male friends
/r/ExRedPill11/02/21 12:06 AM
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Just ask her out. Or atleast talk more directly to her. Trying to "out dominate" someone in a conversation just comes off as wierd and uncomfortable.
/r/seduction10/02/21 12:18 PM
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I feel like anxiety (especially social) and depression are more likely to be candidates for pua camps
/r/ExRedPill08/02/21 09:53 PM
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In my experience, the biggest problem with rejectiong vulnerability is that you eventually reach empathy. Everyone should cry, because crying is extremely good for you mebtal health. Especially when it comes to prossessing traumatic or sad events. The issue with never being vulnerable is that you lose the ability to cry even alone. Thats a major issue. Another perk is that you can see who acctually cares for you, and people can see you actually care for them.
/r/ExRedPill07/02/21 05:34 PM
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Great, now I just need her to meet me again😅
/r/ExRedPill04/02/21 11:38 PM
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Ok. Ive only been in one relationship after all, so its not like I have a lot of experience on how I act in a relationship. I just fealt like a lot of the anxious attatchement things fit me pretty well. After all, all I really want os a relationship with someone I have a close friendship with, and who I find attractive. The problem is that Ibrarely get past the friendship point. So I figured I was just too needy, but now Ive "learned to controll" how needy I seem, and suddenly I also get less of…
/r/ExRedPill04/02/21 01:14 PM
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But then again, I allways belive im the reason things dont work out, Im never the one to end things, and I am really bad at seeing flaws in my partners. Oh yeah, and I really want a long term relationship where I am given love and can give it back. Man, its confusing
/r/ExRedPill04/02/21 12:40 PM
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Also, it makes a lot of sense for me to me an avoidant whith anxiety, cause I hit a lot of the avoidant marks as well
/r/ExRedPill04/02/21 12:16 PM
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Aah. Shit. Its a shame cause I really liked her. Tbh, we didnt stop seeing eachother, I just went home for christmas, and xorvid made me stay a while longer. Do you have any tips on how I should ask to meet her again, while being direct that I like her?
/r/ExRedPill04/02/21 12:16 PM
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But I do have those thougts. The "I wont get my needs because I am inherentøy unlovable" is something I struggle with. Thats partially why I struggle to initiate. I assume that If I show my sexual needs, I will "obviously" get rejected. And yeah, on the girl I went on 8 dates with, I did aske her to spend the night one of the last times, but she exused it away with corona
/r/ExRedPill04/02/21 11:14 AM
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I have considered it
/r/ExRedPill04/02/21 11:09 AM
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I entered PUA late, so the two sides of the coin I got was either "how to make her like youbwith out her knowing", or "be the life of the party, and women will dig you". And as I said in another comment, all I had to do was say "lets go home to my place" and everything took care of itself
/r/ExRedPill04/02/21 11:09 AM
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Yeah, I live in a student appartment, but I have my own room
/r/ExRedPill04/02/21 11:06 AM
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Yes. Spunds great. Ill try it out :)
/r/ExRedPill04/02/21 11:05 AM
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Love the first tips. But how do the last tips help me get love or start a relationship? It seems like it only make me attractive to people who want emotional distance. And I dont really want that. (Unless ofcourse, I am interperating it wrong, and you mean a form of neutrality)
/r/ExRedPill03/02/21 11:06 PM
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It depends. Kissing usually ends up building up untill I just ask, "can I kiss you". But that can take upnto 3 dates if I really like her. In cases where Ive been semi interested, but whated to she, or mabye it was a party, then kissing isnt a problem. But I almost allways need her to initiate. Honestly, the only reason I have had sex in the past is either when a girl initiates, or I talk to someone at a party for an hour and then say, lets go home to my place after that...they basically initiat…
/r/ExRedPill03/02/21 05:51 PM
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Hehe...we usually end up at my place. Im just not good at going from sitting in my room talking, to anything else
/r/ExRedPill03/02/21 05:30 PM
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Yeah :)
/r/ExRedPill03/02/21 03:44 PM
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Im currently reading it. I just finished the part on anxious dating/finding secure people. But it didnt say a lot about how to go forward in dating, just some things to not do
/r/ExRedPill03/02/21 02:27 PM
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Thats partially the problem. I have plenty of female friends. And even when I ask then out I have no trouble being friendly. My proublem is that I dont know how to go further. I have one I went on 8 dates with, and it was just kissing. Im seeing one now, and we have only kissed at a small event we were on together. In short, I have no problem being friends with girls or asking them out. I have a problem being intimate or sexual with them.
/r/ExRedPill03/02/21 02:16 PM
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Thanks
/r/ExRedPill03/02/21 02:12 PM
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Loving this. Im currently working on finding the balance of friendzone and pua. Like being both jekyll and hyde
/r/seduction01/02/21 08:33 PM
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Their reclmended books have almost all the knowledge you would need. (Models, no more mr nice guy, etc)
/r/seduction31/01/21 09:46 AM
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Very fail point. I guess "intimacy triangle" might have been more accurate, but it doesnt have the same ring to it😅 Love was also a more fitting word, cause I got some bew info and perspective from having a dialogue woth a psychology proffessor (who focuses on sex and relations) for a school magazine. Im acctually having a new interview with him in february about incels, so mabye Ill come woth something new. What kind of ideologies?
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 11:43 PM
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Ish. It dissproves the whole "men will be seen as weak for crying" attitude after all, a guy is being really supportive. Most of the women seem concerned, and it would suprise me if they have been taught that an emotional man can be unpredicable and dangerous. Because, you know, women are taught that men are dangerous a lot of places. Not allways directly.
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 10:22 PM
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Were the same age, trust me, I know. Girls will get more support when showing sadness. That is just something thats ingrained in society. Never the less, do you think those who are close to you will view you in a poor light for crying? No. And if you have a reason to cry, but you dont because youre around a girl you like, whe will feel like youre fake and detatched. I get it 100%. Its gotten so much into me that I can barely cry at all. Sadness just turns to emptieness so no one can hear me. The…
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 05:16 PM
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If you cry in the streats, youd likely be looked at wierd, no matter what sex you are. Some girls might get more support yes, but most people will recive apathy from strangers. If you cry around your buddies, they will most likely not laught. Also, I have never heard anyone call someone who deescalated a situation a pussy (besides the one who escalated it). I did get credit from one girl for telling a story about fighting, but that was because I ran in to help my brother, punched once, then we r…
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 05:06 PM
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Tbh RSD isnt that bad compared to RP. I know, I even took a boothcamp with them. Charismaoncommand is deffinately kot bad, but it adds the problem that youre faking. The biggest problem with bith is that they are corporations. They give great vibes in their videos and boothcamps, but after youre done, youve not really gotten any further. Here is what to do: Read: -models -no more mr nice guy (even if youre not one) -six pillars of self esteem -attatched (Exluding "the power of now" this is almos…
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 02:07 AM
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Better lasting relationships?
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 01:57 AM
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Trust me, this mindsett changes instantly when youre the guy who has slept with the most (and the best grommed) while still being the only guy with no love in his life. And even worse, all the other guys have lots of sex in their relationships. I used tk think like you. I felt like the lowest worth in my friend group. They were all tall, fit, and were really popular with the girls in middle/high school. Last summer we had a small trip and we started talking about relationships and sexual concues…
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 01:55 AM
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Its the dumbest thing. It sounds like some religus cults fantasy. "You just stop being beta, then all the women will be virgins and young". Its a wierd fetishizing. Its ok to prefer younger women, but it can go too far. First off all, there are plenty of women over 30 who have slept with one man or less. Is she then less "damaged" than a 20 year old who slept with 50? Second, There are older women who look better than many young ones. Personally, Id say yes to Natalie Dormer, ScarJo, etc, before…
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 01:49 AM
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Even better, what if their daughter comes home with a short nerdy dude thats a bit shy but shares her passions. Imagkne the cognitive dissonance
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 01:41 AM
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Same
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 01:38 AM
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Im just lucky that I became aware of this before I fell into the red pill. Made it easier to avoid them. Tho Ibdo sometimes feel the urge to go there, its allways to avoid confronting my own feelings, and blaming beta behvior or women instead :/
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 01:37 AM
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I woulndt say thats the only thing. Im an ex red pill (I was never really in, but I had my dives), but I still want better results with women. Im able to get laid at a club, but I want to be able to hook up at a party with a girl I know from before. I want to go on a date, and not wait untill the girl initiates. Yes, red pill is about results, but its also about getting them without ever huring their feelings in any way. Love and datkng is about being vulnerable and authentic. They want the resu…
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 01:25 AM
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Frame as in mindsett is a good thing. Thats what RSD usually promotes. Frame as in "Im the one with value here, youre lucky I even bothered talking to you" is fake and unhealthy
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 01:21 AM
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Its simple. Thise guys go for bad girls. More soecifically, Anxious attatchement guys will be most interessted in dismissive attatchement girls. These girls however do not want someone who really wants them. (They do, it just scares them). So instead of thinking "mabye Im choosing people who are bad for me" they think "how can I manipulate this unhealthy relationship to keep going"
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 01:19 AM
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The cure is called trust and vulnerability. Sounds cliche, but really, the mindsett youre talking about is ego protection. A part of you doesnt belive you can be loved 100% by someone while being 100% yourself. Thus you build up an idea that all women will look for other men, because when it inevetably happens, it wont hur as much. But here is the biggest issue. Your mind is a friend, but can be a d*ck. If you think this, you will enevetably lead it to come true
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 12:09 AM
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Its like Robert Glover says "there is never just one toxic person in a relationship". These guys have issues and thus, theyare mostly attracked to women woth issues. And woth confirmation bias thats all they see. There is also the chance that they have unhealthy views on sexuality (especially their own). Mabie they feel like theyll get left for being genuine. Mabye they are afraid of flirting explicity, or asking for sex directly (hence the giant amount or indirect game/seduce her wothout her kn…
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 12:04 AM
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Its like Robert Glover says "there is never just one toxic person in a relationship". These guys have issues and thus, theyare mostly attracked to women woth issues. And woth confirmation bias thats all they see. There is also the chance that they have unhealthy views on sexuality (especially their own). Mabie they feel like theyll get left for being genuine. Mabye they are afraid of flirting explicity, or asking for sex directly (hence the giant amount or indirect game/seduce her wothout her kn…
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 12:04 AM
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Its like Robert Glover says "there is never just one toxic person in a relationship". These guys have issues and thus, theyare mostly attracked to women woth issues. And woth confirmation bias thats all they see. There is also the chance that they have unhealthy views on sexuality (especially their own). Mabie they feel like theyll get left for being genuine. Mabye they are afraid of flirting explicity, or asking for sex directly (hence the giant amount or indirect game/seduce her wothout her kn…
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 12:03 AM
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Dating apps are an unfortunate example, because on dating apps, looks are all that matters. BUT this is because on dating apps there is nothing else to judge. Its not much you can put in a bio, and most people dont even read it. (The only internall part you can alter is how you talk on the app) When the only factor you can judge is superficial ones, and your ego gets pumped, then ofcourse theyre gonna start having stupid standards. But how many lf these women dont you think has hooked up with/da…
/r/ExRedPill27/01/21 11:55 PM
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Yes. And you can leave a tribe. Or you can replave the alpha. The point was that the alpha is who you turn to when you need it. That might not even be the boss. Might not even be someone with a higher standing or pay. But its who you belive in as a leader
/r/ExRedPill25/01/21 09:56 PM
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But if, say, work in a company. Then there will be a leader. Or a boss. Somethimes both. In these cases the one people will turn to in a crisis, and thus the one people resoect and appreciate the most, will be the "alpha". Not the bully.
/r/ExRedPill25/01/21 06:44 PM
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I think it might be a kind of ego-protection. If you think approaching someone, or directly asking for sex, or teasing are things you find difficult, you might rationalise that its because youre polite. Now anyone who does these things are assholes
/r/ExRedPill25/01/21 06:40 PM
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Talk about it. Mabye you need to schedule it. Mabye she wants to innitiate. Mabye you need to innitiate differently. Another option, from No more mr. Nice guy, is to a) write on a note how often youbwant to have sex, and how often you think your partner does. Conpare notes and work from there. B) Go on a no-sex monotorium. Tell your partner that for self improvement and retaking controll, councously deside that youbwont have sex for a certain period. This will take the preassure of the both of y…
/r/ExRedPill25/01/21 06:37 PM
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Thanks, I just baught attatchement on kindle. Ill check out acceptance and commitment as well
/r/ExRedPill22/01/21 04:46 PM
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BuT aLl WoMeN aRe HyPeRgAmOuS
/r/ExRedPill22/01/21 11:41 AM
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The law of attraction is proven, do you mean "you get what you focus on" or "what one focuses on will affect how one interpret events and find options". Cause the last is well established in social psychology. If you belive you are lucky, you will find more evidence in your life to prove you are lucky.
/r/ExRedPill22/01/21 11:36 AM
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Do you have any tips on how to work on this? Or better yet, how to get love/sex while having anxious attatchement. It might be a mixture of my redpill background, and my "needs wont be met" childhood, but I havent had any girl in my life return my affection, so I have a sort of forced idea that Anxious Attatchement wont be attractive. So I feel like I wont get love untill this is fixed.
/r/ExRedPill22/01/21 11:29 AM
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A lot of them are nice. The "bad side" only comes out due to reoeated internal breakdowns. No More mr.nice guy (its about being nice and real, not nice to get something) talkes a lot about why several nice guys have anger outbursts
/r/ExRedPill22/01/21 10:37 AM
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A lot of "nice guy" put annyone who isnt as pleasing as an "asshole". And its a lot of confirmation bias. Mark Manson talkes about one such guy who called him an asshoke for expressing interest. Another prime example is the commentsection on shoeonheads videos. Her boyfriend makes a teasing joke, and the comments are filled with "why is she dating such a jerk".
/r/ExRedPill22/01/21 10:35 AM
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Brong home some wlmen by veing a cool dude who doesnt look down on them, and he will be forced to see that he might be wrong. But serious advice, you should ask him to read Råttkungen (the rat king) by pascal engman. It could change his mind
/r/ExRedPill16/01/21 09:45 PM
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"I guess the internet know Joe Rogans fanbase...lonely dudes"
/r/ExRedPill16/01/21 09:03 PM
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You cant get her to like you unless you manipulate. But this does tell her that you like her, so she can respond by either saying she is not into you, or follow along because she likes you/might like you
/r/seduction15/01/21 07:29 PM
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Ryssel Brand is my main argument against "women just love alphas". He is empathic, kind , loving, relaxed. He is basically someone Don Draper would laught at...but he has also slept with +1000 women and won mtv's "shag of the year" twice. Clearely he is doing something right while being "a beta". Also, it could be smart to check out your attatchemebt type. If you viev yourself as a beta, youre likely in the "anxious" group, and will thus have a higher attraction to the "dissmissive" group. By fi…
/r/ExRedPill12/01/21 06:11 PM
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Well, how do you define alpha then? And what kind of women do you look at? Are they those you know, who are great people, are they the ones youve tried to get with, are they strangers ln the street? Cause it is likely that even the couples you chose get chosen from confirmation bias. After all, Im sure you have atleast one friend you think of as a good guy that has gotten a girlfriend
/r/ExRedPill12/01/21 06:03 PM
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I can add that I used to be pretty high in anxiety, and about middle in trust, and I was a grade A "nice guy" with little self worth and a fear of being myself and vulnerable. I am now barely within the secure section, but my relationships, dating, and most importantly view on myself and intimacy has improved a lot
/r/seduction09/01/21 07:41 PM
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Yeah, I was just shocked about how much it would improve it, especially since I didnt change anything exept for the first picture.
/r/seduction08/01/21 01:11 PM
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Depends on how early. In say a nightclub, you can get instantly rejected, but talk to the same girl an hour later and she will be down. Irl, persistence is for when she hasent decided no or yes yet. If you get a no after an hour or more, you wont change her mind unless you yourself change. Mabye you have different humor, mabye she is really superficiall, mabye she is getting over someone. If she has made a somewhat educated no, then youre chasing someone who doesnt like you. Its worthless and dr…
/r/seduction05/01/21 09:05 AM
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Hahah true. I think they mean trying to be understanding in a non-judgemental way.
/r/seduction29/12/20 03:51 PM
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Aah ok. That makes sense. Yeah, good point.
/r/ExRedPill29/12/20 01:55 PM
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Good to hear. Im working on it myself, so I cant give a "this was the most helpfull" advice yet, but here are some articles that helped me in the beggining: https://blog.kylegawley.com/how-to-be-yourself-and-not-care-what-anyone-thinks/amp/ https://medium.com/change-your-mind/how-i-changed-from-anxious-avoidant-to-secure-5217e859170c And a lot of info from "No more mr.nice guy" is helpfull. Its a lot of practical exercises to find self security Mindfullness meditation and things that increase ox…
/r/seduction29/12/20 01:30 PM
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I dont really understant the point or argument youre trying ti make, but vise versa, people walked around quoting hitler and saying its was trump quotes, and people were 100% down. (Also after googeling it, they say they copied the part of how to build up a political party, so im more confused as to what the point was) Hitler was a insanely good speaker after all. Thats how he convinced a country to commit genocide. Its not something anyone can do. But you are right that some sociology is very a…
/r/ExRedPill29/12/20 01:25 PM
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I think its just because a lot of rp people really follow his words. He says things like, be the alpha, if you can bench this youre better than others and dont need to be empathic, women are chaotic, alpha and hierarchies. A lot of rp-like stuff
/r/ExRedPill29/12/20 12:55 PM
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Its most likely avoidant attatchement. Youre tying your emotions and self worth to others. The best you can do is work on trye self acceptance and love (not the way you love someone who is perfect, but the way you love someone because of their flaws, or atleast along with them) Also the podcasts Deal with it by Tracey crossley helps a lot
/r/seduction29/12/20 02:17 AM
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I never understood the cock carusel argument. From a group that claims to be all about biology and evolution "after all, the alpha gets the most women, and for some reason he needs to be emotionless", the cock-carousel doesnt make sence biologically. Women would get pregnant through most of history, and thus would not sleep with several people (heck, even after working at a nightclub, I can say that very few girls have slept with more than 20 people. Sure, a lot less have 1 or zero compared to g…
/r/ExRedPill28/12/20 12:56 PM
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No contact is supposed to be a sort of statement, or its supposed to be for personal healing. If its after a breakup or you dont feel any interest for someone, tell them whats up, and that you keed some time to yourself. Otherwise its ghosting, and thats either weak and/or rude If its someone youre interested in, it is usually to come off as "having more important things to do". Ive never understood this, because either the girl actively messages you and you for some reason realise changing your…
/r/seduction25/12/20 07:16 PM
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Thats because certain things in the redpill is correct. Thats how they get people in after all. Things like having polarity, not trading your interest for your wife, how to handle fluid emotions (shit tests), how to grow as a person, the knowledge that women are sexual and like sex, etc. Is all really good information to take in, but they arent exlusive to red pill. You can find this in most self improvement/romantic advice groups. The issue with redpill is the minsets and dogmas of: women will …
/r/ExRedPill24/12/20 10:51 AM
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I really like that mindsett. Ill have to take that to heart. I do try to work on myself. A lot is just building up confidence and not feeling wierd for not being the center of attention, but I do practice music and exercise because I like to grow. The problem is that there are parts of you that you cant fix, cause theyre not a problem per say, theyre just a part of you. I need to learn to belive those parts can be loved
/r/ExRedPill19/12/20 04:54 PM
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I liked some the 12 rules, but some of them were really against what I stand for morally. Like how its ok to use physical abuse to raise children. I do like a lot of his wirk though, its just too much thats kind of messed up.
/r/ExRedPill19/12/20 02:12 PM
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Because I realised that being messed up only attracts messed up. And every guy in redpill that stays there has some issues they refuce to face, and eventually end up refucing to face any part of theyr emotions
/r/ExRedPill19/12/20 01:57 PM
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Women practically run from a needy man who is doing covert contracts with her, and places her above his own life. They just think this is niceness
/r/ExRedPill19/12/20 01:53 PM
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Like Robers Glover says: "there is never just one unhealthy person in a relationship"
/r/ExRedPill19/12/20 01:50 PM
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Watch some russel brand interviews. He is really good with sexual jokes, but rarely starts with it
/r/seduction19/12/20 01:46 PM
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Ok, Ill give you a crash course. How to flirt wothout bering a dick or being creepy. The two biggest tricks is that hiding intent is creepy and manipulative, and treating someone line an object is being a dick. So avoid those. And remember there are only two things that are important to be attractive, and that is empathy and humor. Now: 1) select potential partner 2) walk over there, face her and say these exact words "Hi, I and I thought you were really attractive, so I wanted to meet you. Im X…
/r/ExRedPill19/12/20 04:22 AM
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I am curious to what you mean by the "women will condone bad behavior in attractive men" because it leaves some open ended edges. Most women want a man thats kind. However, dark triad men also have more sex? And Ive observed women think its ok when their partner misstreats them. 1) dark triad men attract dark triad women (and toxic attract toxic). So these arent women youd want annyways. 2) Attractive men usually have better social skills, due to early life popularity. The problem with personal …
/r/ExRedPill19/12/20 03:54 AM
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Yeah. It can be very simply boiled down to this: men are often the most invested before sex, and women are often the most invested after sex. This is why you have female "tease" and male "fuckbois/leave in the morning" stereotypes. But to RP dating is sex
/r/ExRedPill19/12/20 03:45 AM
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Nah. TRP is just another way to avoid the real world. Its ironic, cause a lot of RP guys love Tyler Durden, not realising that TRP is the fanasy cave from the chemical burn scene. They dont want to feel the pain, so they feel negativity instead
/r/ExRedPill19/12/20 03:40 AM
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In my case i think its because its defencive. "If I had just been more alpha she wouldnt have left me" comes up a lot after break ups. Its a way to shift blame, and avoid feeling hurt, and realising you might be part of the problem. Thats why you see so many illogical hypocracies. "All women are hypergamous sluts, so you must...work on yourself to get laid?" Is a common one. Theyre arguing exlusively with emotion and ego, to avoid facing the pain. Were here because the only way out of the fire i…
/r/ExRedPill19/12/20 03:34 AM
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Its not nessecarily good or bad to want to marry a virgin. If you want you and your partner to wait till marriage for personal values, no worries. If you want one because she isnt a slut, then its not good. If you want one because youre afraid of performing poorly, and having her be married first is a safety buffer=Really bad.
/r/ExRedPill19/12/20 03:26 AM
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Damn, thats awfull. Im sorry you experienced that. And yeah, the "women dont know what they want" is stupid. The times Ive seen it in action, its usually when guys get confused as to why the girl who said she wanted a "nice, good man" is suddenly with someone who ...teases her...and doesnt treat her like a god. As if these things are bad
/r/ExRedPill19/12/20 03:09 AM
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Im struggeling to understand everything in order due to the writing, but based on what I got, it sounds like you need a proffesional to help you heal those traumas. Potentially some interspection to relive and conquer them. Besides that, my thougts on male sexual shame are very straight forward. It exists. Its sucks, especially when you have so many bad experiences related to it. But it seems like youre talking about two things. Sexual shame belifs are the main issue. Thats what comes from you c…
/r/ExRedPill19/12/20 02:55 AM
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Twotch has a wierd staff that seems to ban anything that can cause aggrivation. Theyve banned for using the "twitch-thot" phrase. Theyve banned a girl for saying she didnt understand transexualism. Its probably just to attemt decreasing hate aruments
/r/ExRedPill18/12/20 04:43 PM
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Alldready on it. Thoug itonically, PUA helped me find and face a lot of my issues way faster than therapy did. But its a lot of messed up belifs Ive notieced I hold from childhood
/r/ExRedPill18/12/20 10:21 AM
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Yeah, it sucks how we are fed a constant "be good enugh" attitude, no matter what side youre on. I guess one of the reasons I fell out is because I did have a lot of good traights (just never any strong self esteem) and the fact that no one seemed interested despite that messed with my head.
/r/ExRedPill18/12/20 12:41 AM
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I recently read that one, and no more mr. Nice guy. I think I just leed more time to take them in. But like it says in one of the main posts here "one does noe seel his sould to pickup unless one is allready broken". I might have some other, deeper issues that need work
/r/ExRedPill18/12/20 12:13 AM
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Ok. I read Anne Frank, but I recently found out I am dyslextic, so I have only recently begunn reading books regularely (audiable is heaven). The last few books ive read have been self imprivement: Models, No more Mr.nice guy, Meditations. (I tried to read the superior man, but the whole "if you come home happy for earning a million dollars, a woman will test you by ignoring it ans ask something trivial to see if youre the man" attitude put me off) Oh, ok. Probably some ego defence, but I dont t…
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 11:49 PM
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I wont say mine is strict either, as its been pretty open in norway. But moving to a new town to study, not getting the "getting to know eachorer week" and starting a study that consists of 95%women, its not the best logistics. Ive mannaged to get a few male friends though. And plenty of female friends. After all, the nice guy part has no problem getting friends😅
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 07:58 PM
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Yeah, but thats how body set points works. Have you been skinny most of your life, then you have a much harder time gaining weight :/
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 07:52 PM
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Ive read No more mr. Nice guy if thats the one youre refering to. It just takes a while to implement it, and corona isnt the best time to get new friends. I honestly dont know if I want a girlfriend. Im mostly dating because its fun, and I like people, and I like sex/the attention. It just gets confusing once I get feelings, because it happens rarely. Mabye I just want someone to like me and join the jurney that is my life. I like the last advice. Ill take that in. I can say that I do, and have …
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 07:39 PM
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Yeah. I had those belifs before I got into anything, and the whole pickup/rsd society pulled it out. It was just "be awesome and confident, and youll be attractive". Easier said than done, but atleast you can work on being a great confident person. Not easy to work on dick size
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 07:26 PM
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I dont remember my weight exactly, but it was probably around 25% bodyfat. I dont think it matters that much, but my best friend have always had a really fit body, and I remember all the girls I hung out with drooling over his abs. So it seemed more important than it probably was
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 07:21 PM
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Thanks. Do you have any recomendations on books on womens internal lives? Most female friends I have never seem to talk about relationship issues in a way I can relate too. But what do you mean "seeing them as a commodity"?
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 06:40 PM
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Youre right on the end there. The whole relationship was toxic on both parts. I was really needy and just wanted someone to love me and make me feel good about myself. She would bring up how all her exes had cheated on her, and how I was the second choise to her fuck-friend, but he slept around a lot. I dont judge her for chosing to leave me, or for chosing a guy I view as a shitty person. I was mad at myself, because to me this meant that I was worth less than a "unnatractive, abusive, cheating…
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 06:33 PM
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Damn. The "you value honesty and being yourself, while hiding yourself to get love" hit way to close to home. Youre right, I am afraid to be myself, because all the experience I have is parents/society telling me I need to hide anything wierd to be liked (interests, desires, or even emotions like anger), and the only times I have gotten close to love, or atleast got attraction from others is when I hid it and tried to be more than I am. Thank you for a good answer
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 04:02 PM
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Well said. Im glad you allso added the "sit on it for a while" cause I had a bandage-answer ready😅
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 03:54 PM
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That sounds like spund advice. I like it.
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 03:32 PM
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Actually, in shorter words, the reason is this. She went from cool on the date to ghosting, so a part of me belives that I did something very wrong. And anotherpart belives that "you just need to show that youre so attractive that it wont matter". After all, its harder to move on when youre left in ambiguity.
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 01:08 PM
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Its a hard question. What would happen if I did that? Im not sure. To some degree, Id finnaly experience interest from someone I have feelings for. But secondly, Id prove to myself that I am worthy if recipical love. What would it mean to make her interessted when she is currently not? I dont know. It would mean I said the right thing to handle the situation. I was raised with a dogma that attraction is created by the correct action. Give things, be there at all times, never directly show intere…
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 12:59 PM
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On the first one, youre kind of right. Its thus far been 4 girls Ive been with (for more than 5 dates, or in a relationship). The first one was just the first girl I liked that liked me back. She did have sex regularely with her ex, but it became apparent that I was a rebound, and that she had some issues with her father, and sex. When all your previous exes have been cheating/violent, and sex is a tool to keep them there. The two next might have been asexual. The latest one (last week, whitch i…
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 11:15 AM
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The get her back mindsett came from a guy who was just happy he had finaly gotten a girl to like him. It was more desperation than anything else. "Mythical" was ment as a joke, as I have heard of it but never experienced it. The first relationship was once every 6th week as stated. The only other three since then (either relationship or +5 dates) have been sexless. Ive had some dates with sex, or friends with benefits, but that has usually ended in "we slept together, thats it" or "fell out of t…
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 10:30 AM
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Negging is basically teasing, with the intent of manipulating. So just tease instead. Not sure where you are on your jurney but these books help: -Models by mark manson -No more mr.nice guy by Robert Glover Besides that, seduction is just the ability to be yourself fully, express your desires openly, and be vulnerable and social. Also, initiating is on your shoulders Talking to a lot of women you find attractive, and telling them you find them attractive is a good start.
/r/seduction17/12/20 09:20 AM
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Honestly, and partially ironically. I dont like the RedPill mindsett because of RSD. They were the ones who originally got me out of it. They have a lot of the same things, but they do atleast promote self-growth, mental/spiritual helath, and social energy as high factors, while saying redpill is stupid for being whiny and hating on women. The main reason Im here is because I still havent gotten rid of my nice guy/red pill tendencies yet
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 01:10 AM
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Ish. Every girl who has been open to talk about it says sex-tools are way better in bed than men. Out of the very few guy that have slept with women, and are open on having flashlights, say that women are not that grwat in bed either. Yet both do still seem to prefer to sleep with others, over using said tools, so I dont think a machine will change much
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 01:06 AM
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Man, I needed the reality check on the "avpids accepting she is uninterested". Currently have a girl thats ghosted me, and my attitude is still wired to "what can I do to get her interessted again". I having these thoughts
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 12:55 AM
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Btw, I just found a sub called r/exredpill . Despite how it sounds I do sometimes fall back to the midsett as well. Anyways, the "detoxing"/main post had some articles and such Id think youd like
/r/seduction16/12/20 09:51 PM
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😂
/r/seduction16/12/20 09:49 PM
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This came at the right time. I was just about to fall down the redpill rabitthole again, due to getting feelings for a girl I dated and it ending before anything happened (I like to belive I have a better view of women than the red pill, but my view on men and self isnt ideal) Feels like a good place to kill of the "if only I was more alpha, cared less, and just initiated sex, she would have been attracted" attitude once and for all
/r/ExRedPill16/12/20 09:42 PM
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This is sweet, but also sad. It reminded me of why I got into the red pill in the first place, and why, despite trying, I struggle to leave it fully. I want what youre talking about. I got tears in my eyes just reading how you experienced someone you love and are attracted to show you her love (and attraction). Thats what Ive allways wanted. And everytime its been one sided (I feel love and attraction) it ends. The PUA attitude has made me able to date then, but when I start getting those feelin…
/r/ExRedPill16/12/20 09:36 PM
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Yeah, the title was mostly a joke based on the quote. I dont agree with it, but I did like the idea that what you say doesnt need to be your standards, and that you can learn from certain attractive stereotypes. My view on "objecrification" is basically that "you have no inherent value as a person, besides feeding my ego". So you can still just want sex and not objectify. Its more the "I want sex from you because I want to feel good about myself, you are just the first fitting thing that liked m…
/r/seduction16/12/20 01:37 AM
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Tl;dr: Men like girls who are hot, girls like men who have to potential to be successfull. -many men are in great relationships woth women below their physical standards due to personality/chemistry, you can do it too. -men talk about women with increadibly high standards, but dont really follow them. Girls probably do too. -having the potential to be successfull is something you can work towards. Not only that, its an attitude. Most successfull men have it. Allmost all men who are good with wom…
/r/seduction15/12/20 11:34 PM
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Good point. I think that with this girl it was a mixture of pedestaling and low self worth. So ill try to work on those more actively.
/r/seduction13/12/20 09:44 AM
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Yeah, the issue is that I didnt get the realisation untill afterwards. I was just done with exams, and she was of work so we were both kind of tired. I know a partof me wanted to just finnish dinner at my plase and then sleep together, but another part was like "no, respect that youre both tired, no need to do anything" so I ended upnwith very little escalation. Normally it probably wouldnt mean anything, but Im going hone for a month, so Im realising how much potetial the date had for going for…
/r/seduction12/12/20 02:59 PM
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Fair enugh. Just a bummer to lose someone when you know that the real you wouldnt
/r/seduction12/12/20 01:02 PM
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Yeah, I was talking about the vibe. Fealt like a "anyone would sleep with anyone more attractive if they can". Probably not what you meant, I just wanted to point out the feeling it gave off. Nice, then youre on your way. Im going to admitt I dont like a lot of RSD Derreks messages, but the 10 commandments really accelerated me, and my mindsett around dating
/r/seduction05/12/20 02:50 PM
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When I was talking about potential pent up anger, the "a hot girl would cheat on me" attitude is what gave of the victim vibe earlier. Cheating is something thats decided beforehand. Most girls will value their boyfriend more than a stranger. I can say that I wouldnt fuck anything, and id deffinately not get into a relationship whith anything. Id get nothing from it, exept sleeping with someone I wasnt attracted to. If getting a girlfriend is more important than getting someone you like thats go…
/r/seduction05/12/20 02:35 PM
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Hmm. That is probbably true. Seems like they think the "nice guy" stereotype are the only ones who cant get laid Im sorry, I dont mean to assume you had hostilkty towards women, I just missunderstood the last post. I was more trying to share that it is ok to be angry and have been misstreated. But if that seeps into your behavior, then it can negatively affect it. After all, thats what happened to me, so I wanted to make sure that you didnt go in the same trap.
/r/seduction05/12/20 02:24 PM
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That sucks. I remember when I got the ew myself back in middle school. Or even worse, was the line "Im just nice to you because I like your friend". That one broke me down bad. Im just making sure I understood you right, you got rejected by girls you werent attracted to? Why bother with them if you werent interessted. I am getting a little qurious about your age, because if you are in your teens, then a lot of girls are way more superficial and rude than later on in life. Cause speading that you…
/r/seduction05/12/20 02:19 PM
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Supressed anger doesnt mean hostility. It can be something as simple as thinking all women will cheat, because you got cheated on once. Im saying it because I myself was a red-piller who had to realise there was a form of jealousy over how women got away with everything and held all the power in dating. The moment I realised that no girl can ever give you something that is needed within is when I got happier, and better with women. And no, I know from myself that you can have good hygiene, and k…
/r/seduction05/12/20 02:14 PM
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If you think of game as techniques, then I dont do game. I talk to women I find attractive, tell them I find them attractive, ask them out, and see if something happens. Its no game here, its just being your best self authentically. Game is equally stupid, as manipulating people to like you wont have good results
/r/seduction05/12/20 02:07 PM
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Well, I didnt get laid before. My best friend in middle school lost his virginity when he was 14, with one of the hottest girls. He was popular 90% for being tall and having abs. I lost mine when I was 20, and was in that toxic relationship for a year. I was the chubby friend, in middleschool (and still am) so I got nothing. After the relationship ended, Ibstarted working on myself. Didnt really lose weight, but all the others. Over the course of one year self work, and releasing anger and hosti…
/r/seduction05/12/20 02:04 PM
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Im just telling you to grow up. You have pretty clarely decided beforehand that you have no chance because of genetic factors. You did basically say "no youre wring. Looks are all that matter", with no intention of changing your mind. It honestly felt like you wanted either pity, or for me to give up, and also view surgery as the only option. Provoking I can admit that I did. Consiously. cause I had a hope that youd come to realise that this situation youre in has a lot to do with your own behav…
/r/seduction05/12/20 02:00 PM
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But hey, Im not going to tell you looks dont matter. They do. The fastest way to improve your game is getting fit, get a good hairstyle, and dress well. But in the end, if your personality sucks then it wont matter. Youll only get girls who are looking for something superficial. And the best hookups are with girls you connect with
/r/seduction05/12/20 01:54 PM
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You did read the word "speed dating" on the experiment right? Yeah, if I have 5min to chose if Im gonna sleep with a person or not, I too go exlusively off looks. Most lais usually take a longer time to figure out. Same as tinder. Girls there care exlusively about looks. But if you happened to meet one who didnt like you on tidner and talk to then for 20min, then suddenly youre hooking up. This has happened...3 times with me, and several times with other friends. But im still curious to why you …
/r/seduction05/12/20 01:51 PM
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Well, my best friend is short, looked like a homeless man beard wise, and he pulled way more girls than me. Why? Because he has an extreamely polarising anf likable personality. Also, sorry to break your reality, but life NEVER GETS BETTER. its no work til you achive. The work is never done. Same goes for the work with yourself. You can complain all you want, but it help no one, especially not yourself. And when you were 14 years old? Jesus, in middle/highschool most dating is ego based. The qua…
/r/seduction05/12/20 01:44 PM
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Man, a lot to unpack here. Ill just start with the marriage one, as it is the funniest. Do you really think two people start hooking up, start dating, get married, 12 months go by, and the wife wakes up and is like "omg, he is short"? A more actuall issue is that datign has become more about passion, and less about romance/friendship. Passion will fiddle to some degree over time, so when thats all its buildt on, then it all falls with it Society diesnt want to trash men. Even if you look into PC…
/r/seduction05/12/20 01:36 PM
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What if she is a really hot 35 year old? Mabye girls are attracted more through feelings that calculations. Being tall and handsome will get you dates, but nothing more. Girls have a ton of tools to have way better orgasms than sex so why would she sleep with you in the first place? Because its about more than the external for them. "But girls say they only want a tall guy with a model face and a deep voice" yeah, and you probably masturbate to pornstars. Do you think pornstars and supermodels a…
/r/seduction05/12/20 01:13 PM
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Yeah ofcorse, no short guy with an average face has ever gotten laid. The whole stereotype of a hot girl with a less atractive guy? Made up for fun. Or mabye the guys who were tall got positive feedback earlier and have developed a better personality than you
/r/seduction05/12/20 01:11 PM
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"Never give attention, positive or negative, to a behaviour you disslike" Just shake it off. -Joke with it "no, my parents are simblings, so im not too developed op there" -shrug it off "that probably depend on what kind of smarts, annyways...." -push it back "well, If Im here I must be doing something right"
/r/seduction05/12/20 10:25 AM
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Thats just like, your opinion man. But yeah, the whole philosophy isnt inherently masculine, but it was a good umbrella word for the three things I included. I read once that men "impose themselves on the world" and women "take in the world". Precence, purpose, and living with a direction are all ways to impose yourself on the world. Also, if you can be unnafected by the words of others, its easier to turn them into jokes, which is attractive
/r/seduction04/12/20 12:27 PM
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It sounds a lot like fear, so ofcourse exposing yourself to those situations will help. But its also why I added precence and vulnerability. If you practice being in the moment, you dont judge what you say so much. If the issue is generall socializing then talking with friends will be a good start
/r/seduction04/12/20 11:47 AM
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Depends on when. Dont mention it early in the flirting. But I was bootycalled once by a girl (who thpugh I was experienced) and the mood 100% died when I lied abput being a virgin. It fell a lot before when she realised, but if I had been shameless woth it, it would probably have gone well.
/r/seduction04/12/20 02:52 AM
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Accepting you have a problem is the first step, and accepting that you can work on it is the second. Now the rest is being aware of what youre lacking. Practice these traigths, and youll get then back evenutally
/r/seduction04/12/20 01:59 AM
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If you had it then you can get it back. Strength and perceverance
/r/seduction04/12/20 12:30 AM
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But send me some of the errors, and ill edit the post ;)
/r/seduction04/12/20 12:13 AM
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You didnt get the part of "dyslexia", "not my first language", and "I wrote this in a hurry"
/r/seduction04/12/20 12:11 AM
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Thanks. I agree, but I am open to critizism on my english writing, as Im still learning :D
/r/seduction03/12/20 11:52 PM
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Very well said. I myself am not one who got these things for free, but I have worked on then, and I will continue working on them. Keep pushing to be the best you can be. Its very much possible. Now that you know the opyion is put there, the question is just if youbare willing to let each day be a strp in the right direction. Memento mori ;)
/r/seduction03/12/20 11:32 PM
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Sure. I was blind, then a fuckboi. Feel more awakened now
/r/seduction03/12/20 10:34 PM
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Yeah. Height is an issue, but being a great person wins in the end if the girl isnt too superficial
/r/seduction03/12/20 10:15 PM
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Well, im not tall, so dont ruin them for me :p But forreal, I was the shortest and least popular guy in my firend group. The one gurls came to to ask about my friends. Im the one who gets the most girls now once I start talking. Looks for women is just a first impression, it cans substitute personality
/r/seduction03/12/20 09:52 PM
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He has slept with more wlmeb than me. But he is more comptetetive, so if you take away the "i need to get laid" women, were both at around 15 hot women each. Weve been going for about 6months before corona. But he is suprisingly good. I can also add that i took a boothcamp with rsd (not worth the money, but fun) and most of the guys there were his height or shorter.
/r/seduction03/12/20 09:49 PM
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English is not my first language. I guess "empati" has a broader meaning kn norwegian
/r/seduction03/12/20 09:46 PM
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True, ill do that later. I wrote this on my phone so ill have to use my pc
/r/seduction03/12/20 08:53 PM
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Damn, loved that last quote. I started thinking about this after a wierd dream includding russel brands flirting with women, ancient masculine men, and Luffy from one piece (and increadible masculine character, but not the stereotypical masculine, more the old wise strong king masculine) But yes, you are right. A lot of the modern masculinity gets weakend through persoectives. Thats why you end up with angry incels masculine on one side, and "weak men" on the other. But I do velive that its just…
/r/seduction03/12/20 08:36 PM
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That again is why I mentioned the part of toxicity in the beginning. Dark triat personalities are the ones that gets the most laid. Period. But, they only get laid with people who have other toxic issues. I have a aquaintance who has slept with a lot of women. He has been diagnosed woth anti-social personality dissorder, and thus, not kne girl he has slept with has been menatly stable. Many hot ones, and I was jealus for a while, but now I see how they mostly had issues thenselves. And why would…
/r/seduction03/12/20 08:31 PM
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Yeah, thats where the dyslexia issue comes inn. I really struggle with proofreading and finding wrong writings. Having english as a second language doesnt help. But the next time ill try to write it down somewhere with a correction application first
/r/seduction03/12/20 08:23 PM
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He was? Shit
/r/seduction03/12/20 05:48 PM
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Why wpuld you want a girl thats so superficial that she only goes for looks, and has so little self value that she doesnt care if he is an asshole? No one likes assholes, exept the ones who think they disserve them
/r/seduction03/12/20 05:35 PM
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Well, now that im able to relax around attractive women, I get a lot of the same reponds from them😉
/r/seduction03/12/20 05:31 PM
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Yeah, true. Batman isnt the best example of avoiding toxicity. I just took the first example that came to mind wothout thinking it properly over. Ill edit it once i think of a better example
/r/seduction03/12/20 05:23 PM
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Thank you
/r/seduction03/12/20 05:21 PM
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I used to feel that way. Its kind of wierd when every adult woman in your family thinks your smart, funny, charming, but when you talk to someone you want to sleep with it dissapears😅
/r/seduction03/12/20 05:21 PM
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Corona. Still do some, but it feels like a crime
/r/seduction03/12/20 03:41 PM
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Vulnerability. Desperate means needing her, and being willing to do anything to get her (often manipulation or pleasing) Of you can be vulnerable and authentic. Leave it all out there and say "this is me, whatever you chose to do with it I can handle" is the best form of non needyness. You like a girl. Honestly ask her out. Say "I think youre attractive, and Id like to get to know you better. Wanna grab a beer?". Its not needy, because she can say no, and youll be ok. In a relationship, you have…
/r/seduction03/12/20 02:23 PM
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Is seacretly angry/frustrated with women for "holding all the power". Deffinately the kinds of people who support feminizm to get laid, while talking to their friends about how "pussy rules the world, and women only loves assholes"
/r/seduction02/12/20 10:28 AM
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Depends. Im bad at expressing feelings, or generall interest in groups. Especially if I know Ill be seeing people there for a while. Makes the whole "fall in love with a friend" situation difficult. But I have gotten really good at doing it when were alone, or with people I meet through cold approach or distant social circles
/r/seduction01/12/20 03:38 PM
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Its fear. The only way to get over it is to face it repeatedly. It will be awkward in the beginning, but remember that the more you learn, the easier youll get the really special ones later on
/r/seduction29/11/20 11:57 PM
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Well said, Id like to add two more tips if one is struggeling with this: 1)minfulness. Youve probably head it a thousand times, but negative mental loops are awfull. Mindfullness teaches you to let these thoughts pass by. (Used by a lot of recovering drug addicts to not give addictive thoughts too much power. Think of what it can do for just mental habits) 2) remember all the people you know or have seen, that are larger than life. Now remember that the only thing they all have in common is that…
/r/seduction28/11/20 09:58 AM
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Make a duckface and then lean in The good thing about kissing is that it rarely ruins a releationship. So if it feel right, its probably been 10min since she was open for it. And if you missread the situation its only a kiss. Apologize and let it be. But if she knows youre into her then you wont get the "where did that come from" reaction
/r/seduction27/11/20 03:13 PM
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I can see that. Robert glover has a quote "no healthy person would be attracted to an unhealthy person". I think it might be something there. I can get "healthier" women, but I might need to grow, before I can fall for them. Its like being in the middle of toxic and healed
/r/seduction24/11/20 03:04 PM
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Mostly the part of going from having very few options/waiting for a girl to pick me, to having more chouse, and the ability to reject based on standards. Its not really the culture part, cause I got into that (and the whole manipulation part) a while back. It didnt really work, and it only gave me a pessimistic dating view. But I still ovsessed/fell head over heels for a lot of girls
/r/seduction24/11/20 02:51 PM
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You dont grow for others, you grow for yourself. Seduction is about expressing the best you as authentically as possible. Not everyone will like it, just like you wont like everyone. Eventually youll find someone who really diggs the real you, and whole love to see you grow. (Btw, what was the marriage issues? Cause the saying goes "there is never one unhealthy person in a relationship". It might be some things you havent realised needs work)
/r/seduction23/11/20 11:05 AM
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A friend of mine who had done game for over a year did this to me a lot when I was starting out. Just politely, yet firmly tell them to leave. But most pickup guys arent rude. If youve been direct with the girl, and she knows you are flirting, then its visible from the outside. Most guys will only approach if she looks dissinterested
/r/seduction22/11/20 11:34 AM
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Ive hooked up with one that was 15 years older. It was basically the same way id hook up with anyone else. Seduction is about expressiong the best you. There are no tricks that can get a woman to like a fake you. So learn seduction, and then try untill you find a hot 30ish year old who likes you
/r/seduction22/11/20 12:18 AM
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Set boundries for yourself. If you have a time you exercise every day, stick to it. If you and a few friends meet once or twice a week stick to it. Dont let yourself lose the things that are valuable (honeymoon period doesnt really count)
/r/seduction21/11/20 03:00 PM
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You basically described female flirting. Smile, laught, touch his arm, giggle and say "youre cute" or something. Even the few girls that seemed really interested in me have never given off more signs of interest than that. Or just fond him ln tinder and like him
/r/seduction14/11/20 02:09 PM
1

Mabye. But it doesnt change the fact most women doesnt chase toxic men. The few who do, do so intentionally. There is a saying "the only common traight in all your last relationships is you". If all the guys you chase are toxic, it would be smart to consider that you might be messing up, and not just blame society. Again, the most attractive men I know (both personaly and celeberties ive seen) the most attractive are not toxic masculine. Ofcpurse, toxic masculine men and dark triad men often get…
/r/seduction12/11/20 10:38 AM
1

They have unfortunately allways existed. But I dont think two as polarised identities have been pushed as much as the "nuclear father alpha" and the "no needs nice guy". The problem is that neither of these are healthy or attractive personaes. Nothing is attractive for everyone, but these two archetypes only please people with issues. Personally, I know one girl who would chose a "toxic alpha" over a regular healthy person. Every onther girl I know hated that guy. Take Russel Brant. Very attract…
/r/seduction12/11/20 10:28 AM
2

I dont think I understand what you mean. Most modern toxic masculinity is based on the nuclear family ideal. And thats less than 100 years old. Thats where the stoic, angry, distant, money driven, father figure comes from. The traights that are attractive on a genetic level are confidence, empathy, and creativity. (And humor and leaderhip). Most healthy girls I have met will go for a man with these traights any day, before a abusive man. But there are those who have internalised that love from m…
/r/seduction12/11/20 10:12 AM
3

It doesnt have to. Some nice guys just supress everything that isnt good. They usually end up being obnoxiously needy instead of rude tho
/r/seduction12/11/20 10:03 AM
3

Thats a big question, but in the end it comes down to needyness and self worth. Low self esteem will lead you to do two things. It will get you to chase external validation, while telling you that you dont disserve it. These abusive chasing women have nothing to give you, exept being hot. The only perk you get from dating someone like that is the thoughts "I have value because someone hot like me/I won them over, and other people like me because I have a hot gf" But the thing is, nothing outside…
/r/seduction12/11/20 10:01 AM
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Youre asking for two different answers, so here you go. A) women dont like abusive men. No one does. Some women however, (due to things like abusive/distant fathers, childhood neglect, etc) will only be able to feel attracted to people who remind them of that. The reason they "try to change them" is an exuse they tell themselves. If they did change him, she would leave. B) Healthy women (the only ones you should be caring about) doesnt glorify abusive men. However, a lot of men glorify these wom…
/r/seduction12/11/20 09:34 AM
1

Yes, funny guys fuck. But they never try to be funny.
/r/seduction12/11/20 08:21 AM
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Important not to confuse confidence with cockyness or grandour. Some self worth where you expect the girl to like you is good, but the real killer is non-needyness and standards. When you can talk to a girl and not care if she rejects you, because that just means you wouldnt get along anyways. When you can be authentic around her without trying to win approval. When you can say no to a high value woman because she crosses your boundries or values. Thats the confidense that works
/r/seduction09/11/20 07:42 PM
5

It seems like 3 options. 1) He wasnt interested in a relationship. Sorry. 2) He had limited long term relationship experience. 3) He is uncomfortable with heavy emotions and conflict. Anyways, not your fault
/r/seduction08/11/20 03:18 PM
1

Depends on the standard. Are they healthy/realistic? Or toxic, superficiall, or avoidant? Standards are a good thing, if it is for the right reason.
/r/seduction07/11/20 07:10 PM
2

Humor=non needyness. Aka its attractive
/r/seduction05/11/20 10:16 PM
1

Good luck
/r/seduction05/11/20 10:14 PM
1

Ok. I guess Ill try that
/r/seduction05/11/20 10:11 PM
1

No, I can talk to them, but it will be 99% platonic. This makes it difficult, because I feel like it can easily become creepy if I suddenly seem interested for a second, only to jump back. I only notice this because I am decent at flirting in other situations.
/r/seduction05/11/20 09:12 PM
2

According to models, the issue isnt if you like her. Its if she feels like you need her approval without any reason. Most people like to be liked. Thats why genuine compliments works so well. But it should be a "I find you atractive, and hope the rest of you is as good" or "I see your flaws and accept you for them". Not "youre hot and ...hot, so I say I like you, but mostly I need validation".
/r/seduction31/10/20 11:32 AM
1

Fair. Mabye i need to be more open about flirting
/r/seduction30/10/20 08:25 PM
1

Thats why I got curious, cause its not like either of them are much more alpha than me. In leadership I definately beat them.
/r/seduction30/10/20 02:26 PM
1

Yeah, abundance is important. But I think were talking about mulling differently. Im not thinking "how can I get this Girl" for long periode, Im disecting what went right and what went wrong, so I can improve
/r/seduction26/10/20 12:01 PM
1

Im not saying that she finds him more attractive (Even though she approched med and started flirting, and didnt really talk to him untill her friends Said "he looks like your ex") Its more a logical reasoning. I am more attractive. Especially based om the outfits of that day
/r/seduction26/10/20 11:30 AM
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Hey Im really mulling. AS someone who was a "Nice guy" the first 20 years of my life, I frakt my inner sexist really want to climb out. After all, while I could have just asked her Home first, it was a rude move. Mulling is 100% ok AS long AS it doesnt turn into hate or exuses.
/r/seduction26/10/20 11:13 AM
3

Dating apps put men and women in a really unnatural position. A decent (not hot. Decent) Girls can get 100+ likes every single day. Unless youre really attractive or really good at tekst game, you need to be notieced. Switching applications is the best. But generally, I dont think the Windows has gotten smaller. But IT depends a lot on the Girls AS well.
/r/seduction26/10/20 10:25 AM
0

Idk man. For some people, general sociolizing is the issue. In that case you should work on that AS well
/r/seduction24/10/20 08:46 AM
2

Yeah, no need to be agressive. But being direct and being agressive doesnt need to be the same. "I respect that we wont work as a couple, but Id feel like it would be manipulation og I didnt express my desire for you". Thats direct, yet nok agressive.
/r/seduction17/10/20 04:04 PM
1

I get wjere ypure comming from, but seeing me holding her shoulders asking "I know how you feel about corona but is it ok if I kiss you?" And then stopping the instance she says no, feels pretty far from rapey. Creepy and crossing boundries, mabye, but I was very clarely asking for concent But then again, she could have issues of her own
/r/seduction08/10/20 11:28 PM
2

I understand. Show interest romantic interest, but the interest should be in her, not in her looks specifically. Flirt to make sure she knows you like-like her, be friendly because her personality is what matters in the end. Just going for looks is more about self validating.
/r/seduction08/10/20 09:03 PM
4

Is there much difference between needy and desperate? And the issue wasnt that i tried desperately. I just got validation hooked when it fealt like there was a chance. I wasnt planing on sleeping with her cause we meet early in the afternoon
/r/seduction07/10/20 06:10 PM
3

And I will say, I wasnt creepy or pushy, or forcefull, It was more of a needyness and disrespecting boundries issue. Or mabye she hoped Ibwould apologize and realize what I had done want ok
/r/seduction07/10/20 05:37 PM
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I will point out, she suggested food when we were in my room, we paid seperately, and she used most of her time there planning her way home.
/r/seduction07/10/20 05:32 PM
2

I mean, I was having a great time. We were laughtig, talking loudly, had chemistry. Everything would be good. By ego, I mean that I put all that aside to get validation as fast as possible. My ego wanted me to get laid/validation and move on. I now realise its not what I acctually wanted, and that I wouldt really have cared if it didnt happen :/
/r/seduction07/10/20 05:18 PM
5

Thanks man. And yeah, it allways sucks having to learn it the hard way. I didnt even realise how much my ego was invested untill it was pointed out
/r/seduction07/10/20 05:03 PM
2

I should have explained nr 6 better. When I say "means nothing" I mean it wont change anything drastically. If the girl doesnt like you, she wont suddenly like you. If you kiss a friend and its not mutual, the frienship isnt ruined. If she turns her head, but keeps flirting, it means the moment wasnt right. Thats what I mean by "it means nothing". In the two first here, she is clarely not interested, so stop. In the last one she is uncertain and needs to know you better first. But me and a lot o…
/r/seduction05/10/20 08:57 AM
2

Proud of you ma. Keep it up
/r/seduction04/10/20 06:35 PM
2

Yeah. But the point was that he is also super casual. I saw a datingcoach on youtube reacting to love island, and the most attractive guy tgere was not the one with the best jokes. He was the one that was super casual and direct.
/r/seduction04/10/20 05:41 PM
1

Its more of a hyperbole. Do anything a person of worth would do. It doesnt matter if you get a response, its the act of doing it. Same wkth day game. Even if you get rejected, you still eventually feel like someone worthy if talking to hot women at daytime. It breaks the unworthyness patterns
/r/seduction04/10/20 05:39 PM
1

If youre 16 its a starting period, not a dry period ;) And ish. Its not really playing hard to get, its more of a "take controll of the situation" and "flirt woth girls without it having to lead to sex" mindsett. It might be harder now due to corona, but at your age being the popular kid will give you tons of perks, cause girls are really superficial in their teens. Just ask any teen movie😂 Bond with the cool kids, get lots of male friends, go to parties, dress well and look helathy, and keep th…
/r/seduction04/10/20 03:21 PM
3

He is a really skinny dude who has a personaliry dissorder. He dresses good and looks ok, but you wouldnt see him and think wow. And his disorder makes him not understand why women (and hot women) should have any higher value. And by stoic I mean he doesnt really understand "social rules" so he can talk openly about sexual things, or delve deep into less interesting topics, and yet, many girls seem to love him. He is nice to be around, but he is closer to a sexual sheldon, than he is to any rsd …
/r/seduction04/10/20 11:42 AM
1

Well said. Seduction is about conection. But for us in the nice guy corner, conection is hard, cause you dont belive the real you disserves them. Those tips helped me get out of that. But yeah, Ill get on Models
/r/seduction04/10/20 10:30 AM
1

Also, should I read Models or Way of the superior man first?
/r/seduction04/10/20 10:20 AM
1

True. This isnt a compleate transformation list, but a way to help people grow. Theyve helped me a lot. And ofcourse, those "take a weak" "choose not to have sex" is more of a way to gain controll and find your and others limits.
/r/seduction04/10/20 10:18 AM
2

I can say that I am yet to get a negative reaction from that. Its a compliment and youre being honest. It sounds cooler in my language, but you can change things up. "I liked your style" "when i see a cute girl i have to say hi" "it was just something about you" "i needed to know if your personality maches your looks". Theyre corny, but real, so its usually fine
/r/seduction04/10/20 09:55 AM
1

...are you 16? Weather or not you are, try it. Youre not having sex anyways, so just decide "ill flirt and go on dates, but I wont have sex untill december or newyear" and repeat that mantra regularely. Youd be suprised how relaxed you feel when you take controll of it, and stop needing it
/r/seduction04/10/20 09:49 AM
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Man I wish I could get more "bad" girls. Sounds less complicated. This has worked wonders on both sweet and kind girls. Havent you heard the classic wuote "to be able to attract one girl, you must be able to attract all girls"
/r/seduction04/10/20 09:24 AM
1

Mostly I meant: going for the kiss wont ruin everything. If youre hanging out with a female frind and you go for the kiss and she rejects you, that doesnt mean the friendship is over. It means she didnt want the kiss. And you can move on. And never "try harder". Cool down, see if she still wants to flirt with you or not. And on the "keep trying part" obviously no means no. But what if youre feeling eachother up,you try to kiss her, she moves her head so you kiss her cheek, but she gets more touc…
/r/seduction04/10/20 09:19 AM
1

True true. Planing locations, events, and activites are important. And ofcourse,say you have a good story or joke you love that happens to be situationally apropriate. Thats good too. Im thinking more the "when I see her Ill say this" "and back at my place ill say and do this to touch her". Cause thats wierd
/r/seduction04/10/20 09:08 AM
2

Yeah sorry. Im dyslectic so writing isnt really my forté.
/r/seduction04/10/20 09:04 AM
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Ofcourse. I cant even imagine how uncomfortable that feels. All I know is that guilt and shaming is a very unefficient way to change someone. Dont have sympathy for them, but help them (and others) avoid feeling like they need to to such again. And as someone who went to far once, I know how it can be related to guilt and unworthyness (its sometimes a manic attemt at manipulation), so the best way to stop others from doing that would be to remove these factors. After all, if they think doing it …
/r/seduction03/10/20 11:49 PM
2

Its on kindle and audiable
/r/seduction03/10/20 11:16 PM
1

Also, thats why I added "no more mr nice guy" as the first point. It really hammers in how and why guys do things that girls dont like, amd ofcourse, how to stop doing that
/r/seduction03/10/20 11:16 PM
5

After that I usually comment on something nerby, something she is doing, or just go for the basics (where are you from, are you studying, yada yada) boring conversations are ok. The guy I know woth the best natural game is pretty stoic. You have your entire life to get to know eachother. These first minutes is much more abput bodylanguage, relaxing, empathy and showing that you are safe. In the beginning id usually also say "sorry if im being wierd, Im kind of nervous, I dont usually do this"
/r/seduction03/10/20 11:15 PM
0

True, but as stated it is ment for people who have to much guilt. Im note sure if a person would go so far because they think they need to compensate, or because they think they disserve to go that far. And I would be prone to belive that a guy who belifes himself worthy wouldt need to do that. So less guilt could remove those pushy/manipulative attempts. But annyways, it was meant for self development. V I specifically tried to use this articles view on guilt as the example: https://medium.com/…
/r/seduction03/10/20 11:09 PM
2

Yes. Havent read his other works tho
/r/seduction03/10/20 09:43 PM
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(This is a mystery method trick for beginners, so its mostly just not going into your head) Personally, If I go into my head 1 of 2 things happen. I think to much and dont take action, or I start going back to my old "manipulative" ways (what to say to make her think im a catch). I prefer her to like me for me. But If you can pull of the planing, without sacrificing personality, go for it. My favorite opener is "Hey, I saw you and I thougt you looked really good so I had to come say hi. My name …
/r/seduction03/10/20 09:43 PM
2

No problem dude. Im always glad to help. The way youre saying it now, it seems like it might just be that you put a lot of feeling into it, and thats not a bad thing. You just need to get used to it. But yeah, on the male friends thing, No More MrNice Guy has a lot of things to say on why it is so important for men to have a lot of male friends. I cant remember it word for word, and if I try its foing to sound like a Freudian nightmare, but his daughters boyfriend fixed a lot of his issues by jo…
/r/seduction03/10/20 09:14 PM
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Thats fair. The guilt one is supposed to be more of a selfdevelopment-mindsett. I dont know of there are other words for it, bit in the situation you said, the man can either think: "man, took it to far, Im such an awfull person" or "I went to far. I disserve to be a guy women feel good around, so I should fix that issue". But the guys who go to far are usually not the ones who have issues with being guilty about what theyre doing
/r/seduction03/10/20 08:22 PM
4

There is a difference between "not gettign laid" and chosing "Im not going to sleep with anyone untill x date". You kindnof take power over it. And Ironically, I broke it thee days in, cause my longest drought since starting game ended three days after
/r/seduction03/10/20 07:55 PM
5

I got the joke, I was trying to be funny back😂 In this context your age ofcourse matter a lot. If youre in your teens you might just not feel ready. But besides that, It sounds like sexual shame. It could be somethibg small, like a fetish you have that youre not proud of, or something big like being shamed for doing "sexual" things as a child. (Like playing with your dong in public). Or ofcourse, It could all lead back to the internal unworthyness. Personally, I camt fisnish the first time with …
/r/seduction03/10/20 07:51 PM
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Better, Ill give you three😉 Being direct is always best. Dont missinterpret me and just say you want to fuck, but clearely show interest. Or as a coach would say "let her know you have a dick" Small talk is ok. Borkng conversations are ok. As long as it doesnt get stale. You dont need to go super deep. If you can jump around and change topics, its fine. The reason girls like "funny guys" or "deep topic guys" is because they are able to relax enught around the girl to be themselves. (And girls li…
/r/seduction03/10/20 07:11 PM
1

It really is. Not only does it give a lot of insight to help the average "nice guy" player, but it also explains why "nice guy(tm)" and incels are the way they are. Pluss a lot of cases, refrence experiences and exercises
/r/seduction03/10/20 07:05 PM
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Youre not a pussy. You just dont feel like youre worthy of aproaching them. Unfortunately, the only way to fix that is by approaching. Tips) use the 3 second rule. If you see someone you like, make your move wothing 3 seconds. Tip2) get a friend to hold you accountable
/r/seduction03/10/20 05:17 PM
1

True. Out of my friend group I have definately sleapt with the most women. But it didnt matter, in my head they were still more "successfull" than me.
/r/seduction03/10/20 04:14 PM
1

They dont base it on anything. Trust me, I was one of those guys, and still am a little bit. No more mister nice guy describes it perfectly: "Seeking women's approval gives women the power to define men and determine their worth. If a woman says he is "wrong" or thinks he is a "jerk," a Nice Guy will be inclined to believe she is right. Even if the Nice Guy argues with the woman's evaluation, at some level he knows that since she is the woman, she must be right." So unless they get acceptance fr…
/r/seduction03/10/20 04:12 PM
5

It means not being guilty about expressing yourself, or abput expressing interest. Now when you find out how to acctually express interest let me know😅
/r/seduction03/10/20 04:03 PM
2

Thats the annoying part. Because generally I am very comfortable and confident in myself. I feel like Im doing everything right, and yet nothing works. And Im stuck getting the "youre one of the best guys I know comments"... even though Ive removed so much of my nice guy behaviour :/
/r/seduction29/09/20 03:59 PM
18

I saw a statistic of it. The highest 78% of women compete for the highest >20% of men. Its a very superficial platform. In short, if you dont look like a 10, youre not going to get a 10 on most dating apps
/r/seduction29/09/20 08:20 AM
1

Thanks, but flirting is really where my issue lies. I hear a lot of girls saying "there is this guy that seems really interested in me" of "this fuckboy who likes me", but they seem to be really interested in them. Some even say they hooked up woth guys who just showed interest long enugh. But my issue is that I clearely dont show interest enugh. How can I do that, or as I said, flirt more directly. Let her know Im into her
/r/seduction17/09/20 07:25 PM
3

In all cases I know, Its not really important, unless you deeply offend her or hurt her as a first impression. Anything else can be joked about or forgotten
/r/seduction16/09/20 12:18 PM
1

On a date I can see this working because you have both greed there is some attraction present. But I dont see how this will make a girl I meet at school or at work realise im not just being friendly. Minus pulling the moves, because it never seems appropriate, I do everything else here. But it feels like im just making friends. Like my interaction is missing something sexual or flirtious?
/r/seduction12/09/20 12:24 AM
1

I do enjoy a lot of pop culture without seeing it as beneath me. Is there any specific type you recomend?
/r/seduction07/06/20 02:34 PM
1

But that only told me to ignore theyr beauty. Not how to do it.
/r/seduction22/05/20 08:22 AM
2

One of the fastes ways to get good at anything is to do it a lot, and have a mentor/someone who is allready good that can point out your flaws and weaknesses. RSDs youtube content is lame, but they know pickup well, and investing a lot of money is a good motivator.
/r/seduction30/03/20 01:32 PM
1

Not a lot. Ive worked some on physical escelation, but Im not really confortable with it. Ive tried to make sexual jokes, but It usually just turns into more of a joke than a sexuall statement.
/r/seduction24/03/20 02:42 PM
2

Yeah. Im the social/friend part of the sex/or, and I really have no idea how to add the sexuality part to both myself and my conversations. Do you/he have any tips on improving/becoming more sexual?
/r/seduction24/03/20 10:25 AM
1

Does he have any tips on how to go from sex/or (spesifically the unsexual type) to sex/and?
/r/seduction23/03/20 01:01 PM
1

Both. Im confortable opening day and night, and if I get to the conversation hook then I have about a 80% success rate. But I struggle with getting the conversation started without intervieving or being suoer platonic
/r/seduction20/03/20 02:29 PM
1

I feel like in modern game, the idea of being confident and sexual is reserved for the guys who are high quality but struggle with those particular things. The kind of guy everyone loves, but never gets laid, even though everyone assumes he should.
/r/seduction20/03/20 12:41 AM
2

Remember that people need different advice for different parts of the jurney. You wouldnt tell someone with no game "just be yourself", but for someone who has done pickup with practiced lines for a while, that might help. So yeah, a guy who just stays at home and eats pizza needs to work on himself. But the dancing monkey in the bar, or the guy who gets drunk to socialise might need to realise that doing so will only get them better at doing so. Im working on that now, and when I master it, ill…
/r/seduction30/01/20 06:14 PM
1

Cause you are either half filtering it or you acctually want to hurt them. Fix your filtering my making it clear its a joke if its "offensive"
/r/seduction30/01/20 08:40 AM
1

Not having a filter doesnt mean lacking social intelligence. I really like crazy sexual compliments "I want to fck you but im on my period". But I wouldnt open with saying I wanna fck them. And if its daygame or a date Ill probably wait a while. No word filter is good in the club. No personality filter for everyday life
/r/seduction30/01/20 08:37 AM
1

The "mysterious" part is really more about being genuine and congruent. A nice guy isnt mysterious because he will allways like and agree with the girl. You can be mysterious by both having different parts of your personality (different opinions) by being funny (make a joke instead of agreeing) or being unreactive (she pushes and you take it)
/r/seduction30/01/20 08:32 AM
1

...how do you have fun? Cause the most fun I have when going out is when I talk to a girl I like
/r/seduction30/01/20 08:26 AM
1

That was the plan. Just wondering if I should try one more since im cutting her off anyways
/r/seduction27/01/20 01:01 PM
1

Call it what you will, but there is a certain mental frame im in when my game is good
/r/seduction06/01/20 09:09 PM
10

I used to be that guy. I look decent and was nice, so girls would usually have the "I cant belive youre single, but I wouldnt date you" The main problems are: -insecurities and limiting belifes -unable to be present (in their head) -scarce mindsett insted of abundance -not focusing intent, not really wanting her to stay -unable to laught at stupid shit and have genuine fun -not taking risks like kissing and touching -not leading to sex But most importantly -not getting rejected enugh. Most of th…
/r/seduction16/12/19 10:31 PM
9

Can relate to this. My first relationship ended because she kept telling me that she wanted me to be more gentle, and that it was nice that I was jealous because it showed I cared. Then she left me for the aggressive guy I was jealous of. -and after that I learned pickup
/r/seduction16/12/19 10:23 PM
1

(A big part is that she hits a lot of points on my perfect girl list. I just want to meet her to see how many more she hits) but its probably just a mix of me having a crush on her in highschool, and she has allways seemed to have a mutual liking, but she has never been available. (I should mention that she has openly stated she liked me and wanted to accept my kiss, but was seeing someone. So yeah. Hot cold interest+me liking challenges.
/r/seduction15/10/19 10:30 AM
2

I ended up saying no worries, nad untill we talk again, and then she seemed to react positive, with longer messages and conversation starters. (But yes, she is in the cold list. I have a few more warm girls im also working on)
/r/seduction14/10/19 06:26 PM
0

Considering just sending "dont worry, I canceled your plans. You have time"
/r/seduction14/10/19 11:42 AM
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