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I explained this more in my other reply, but you're misreading both the intent and the narrative behind some of these comments. "Try to be more social" and "learn to communicate" is not because they think you're some deficient neckbeard who never gets out, but because dating requires Expert Level social skills. The average man, not just guys with negative traits, lacks sufficient social skills and communication skills to really succeed with women. Sure, there are neckbeards with very negative tr…
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre28/09/18 11:54 PM
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What I would like to know about specifically, is holding a conversation. I want to give you a non-platitude answer, something with substance, so this is long. Men are used to thinking of a conversation as the words spoken. Internet forums exacerbate this, because all we have is written word. But IRL 90% of communication is nonverbal (body language, tone, presence), even when people aren't aware of it. To be good at conversation, you need to manage both the verbal and nonverbal parts, as well as …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 11:32 PM
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How does he know he has the basics covered? He's SRU, it's not working, so how does he know he actually got them covered enough? Maybe he needs to work on one more.
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre28/09/18 08:32 PM
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What I'm saying is that overthinkers are more likely to be too literal in their interpretation. Ok. In that case, people like you may need to hear the detailed version in advance rather than be told "man up" on the spot. But that doesn't mean the philosophy behind it is wrong. It just needs different presentation. Or just in general, giving unsolicited advice to guys who you don't know anything about. That doesn't mean all unsolicited advice is lumping you in with neckbeards and incels, just bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 08:18 PM
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Black pill sometimes give "lookmaxxing" advice (e.g. "surgerymaxxing", "gymcelling", that kind of thing). Sounds like the issue is SRUGMs giving BlackPill equal credence as RP or other male-improvement advice. SRUGMs should avoid those communities as they will not help you. Both RP and BP agree with that. my experience is just that it causes you to panic and rush action Then you've misinterpreted the meaning. Manning up should not be impulsive rushing into action. An alpha male is calm and in co…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 07:52 PM
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"It's over if you're a sub-8 human in 2018" is not really what I would call advice or self-reflection. Only BlackPill/Lookism/Incels say that. Did you seriously believe BlackPill was advice for SRUGMs, or is this a strawman? RP, BP and PP all think of that community as a joke. It's not advice. It's venting/cope for depressed men. If you're looking for a more supportive community... well duh, don't go there. When people here say "advice", they mean the actual advice, not BlackPill garbage. What t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 07:23 PM
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Isolated men go on the internet nowadays and the feedback they get is that they're totally worthless. Saying "lack of attractiveness is an issue" doesn't mean they're totally worthless. Saying "work on social skills" doesn't mean the SRUGM is a basement-dwelling incel NEET social recluse. Might be hard for people with low self esteem to hear constructive criticism and not assume it means the worst negative stereotype... but it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 07:12 PM
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RP talks about "weak men", but doesn't say ALL SRUs are that stereotype. False generalization. Part of the narrative, not the whole. That part is not about you, it's for the NG readers. That doesn't mean other parts of the narrative aren't relevant. You throw out the baby with the bathwater. when you can have a guy who doesn't do any of those things, who approaches hundreds of women, who works out, has a sense of fashion and tries his best to socialise Can you see how a guy who does all those th…
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre28/09/18 06:57 PM
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Then when people in the RP camp suggest lack of attractiveness is the issue for SRUGMs, why do you lump that opinion in with being stereotyped as a Neckbeard? Do you not see the difference?
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre28/09/18 06:41 PM
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Most women in my social circle coupled up in early to mid 20s, even if they didn't marry until late 20s. By late 20s most were married. The ones who reached late 20s/30s still single freaked out about their eggs and tried to lock down a dependable guy fast. They missed out earlier, spending 20s as club thots. These ones fully employed AF/BB dual strategy. But they weren't the majority. All this AWALT and WhereAreAllTheGoodMen comes from the fact that by 30s the SMP is dregs. The best candidates …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 06:35 PM
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Can we say that men who fall behind in dating fit such a caricature? No. Some men do, but not all SRUs are like that. It's not fair to assume all fit that image. And if they want to discuss issues in dating, is it fair to generalise them in manners such as what I have mentioned with the above blue pill and red pill narratives? It's not fair to generalize them, but I think you are mistaken that those narratives all make that generalization. It may feel that way to you, but they're saying somethin…
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre28/09/18 06:05 PM
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Some lookists are good looking guys that get laid. Then they're not incels. Clueless beta cucks also get laid. The minimum threshold for sex is low. Guys can luck into sex without understanding attraction or forming useful theories. Lookism has nuggets of truth (looks do matter, women are drawn to masculine looks, people make judgments and assumptions based on looks), but distorted through a lens that neglects the significant components of social skills, emotional stimulation, and emotional bond…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 05:37 PM
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With these subreddits quarantined a lot of red and black pillers are going to be looking for a new safe space on the internet. Probably. But where will they turn? If you want fishing advice, you don't go to the guy who never caught a fish, even if he does have long theories. Lookist theorists in incel communities will tell Lol "theorists" in incel communities are like the fish-less fishermen. No one with critical thinking skills should take their theories seriously. It's a venting space and meme…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 03:18 PM
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Because it IS possible for a man to be rejected, regardless of his attractiveness. Changing goalposts. You switched from the general case to a specific instance. An attractive man can strike out with a specific woman in a specific instance, but overall he will succeed often. Of course you cant. They never can. Don't give me that BS. I can't give evidence for men I know either for the same reasons: privacy/doxxing. That I can find HUNDREDS of examples of "lonely men", on a handful of forums onlin…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 07:40 PM
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This is a true statement. What makes it true? You've given zero valid reasons. Although separated from the first. Glad you caught up. My point was your question's off-topic. The offers from unattractive men are irrelevant to the chances an attractive guy has, the main point I'm challenging. So it's a matter of shallaowness? They NEED a super hot guy? Not SUPER hot. They need a guy they are attracted to. That's it. Like I said, show me proof that a woman like that exists. I'm not even asking for …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 03:42 AM
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Can you show me proof of the existance of just one woman ages 18-29 who has literally zero guys who would date her? They will get TONS of offers, but because the guys arent "good enough", they will ignore them. But your initial claim wasn't about ANY men. It was about ATTRACTIVE men. You said: it's perfectly possible that an attractive man who is a genuinely good person has trouble finding a partner With regards to the men competing for her, you also said it's likely not going to be the man of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 03:39 PM
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You're a rare exception because you did it the old way: got together at 14, married your first. You never rode the carousel. He's the one and only in your eyes. You stay with him through hard times. Most women who rode the CC, fucked around in their 20s, been through several breakups, got used to seeing men as disposable... these women will not stick around like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 12:11 AM
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It only contributes if you get really defensive about any criticisms that remotely sound like they're in the direction of "neckbeard", instead of looking beyond to see the message for what it is. Perhaps the barrier is not the RP and BP discourse and allusions to Neckbeard, but your own mental barriers and over-defensiveness asserting "I'm not a neckbeard!". If you can let that go and look beyond, you might see helpful information in the pillosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 10:11 PM
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Regardless of what one or two individual PPD users said, that point is demonstrably wrong: the TRP sidebar has material targetted at incels/virgins. Period. QED. So you can complain about how others hurt your feelings and defend why you need to say things in reaction, or you can go read it and see.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 10:05 PM
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Only if you assume black-or-white. I also said it's a spectrum. Neckbeard is an extreme end of the spectrum. In between are a lot of average beta males who are decent-looking and socially well-adjusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 10:01 PM
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Do you deny that many\most women are very picky about their partner Pickiness about wanting an attractive partner, not an unattractive partner. Women cave on almost all stereotypical "on paper" requirements except that one. there are many man clamoring for each woman Each top 20% woman (young, fit body, pretty face)? Yes. Otherwise, not always true. And even when they have many male offers, it's usually unattractive men or low-effort "wanna smash", not a real relationship prospect. I'm shocked a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 09:45 PM
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What do you mean by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 09:27 PM
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Neither RP nor BP assume all SRUs are the neckbeard stereotype. BP blames it on bad personality (misogyny, entitlement) or hygiene, because they are focused on attacking the hateful component of the incel movement. RP blames it on being too beta: lack of masculine looks, lack of dominance, lack of game. But that doesn't mean the neckbeard extreme. Most average men are also beta. It's a continuum, not all-or-nothing. You don't need to be a neckbeard to benefit from the RP message of "be more alph…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 09:00 PM
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I just want to critique established pill theory as useless for late-in life inexperienced and analytical men. Why? Have you read any of the TRP sidebar material targetted at 20-something incels? There are many older inexperienced men who learned from TRP. Many had to overcome barriers to get there. I see the scope of useful discussion from virgins are guys who tried to apply pill theory and it didn't work so they explain what didn't work and why they think it didn't work for them. It's useful an…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 08:47 PM
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Please provide proof of your claim that average men are having the sex they want with hot women? Her claim was "Your average man is having sex". 21% of young men haven't had sex in the past year: That's the bottom 20%. You proved the 50th percentile man (average) is having sex. Also 15-21%. The sources in that link disagree. Large range of survey error. Up to 1 in 6 26yo men still virgin Again the bottom 17%. Those men are deluded if they think they're "average". Average men stand absolutely no …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 04:33 PM
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Apparently we need to be telling boys that relationships might not happen for everyone. We should also tell them not everyone can be millionaires, or astronauts, or firefighters, etc. Those boys grew up seeing >60% of adults in relationships, so it seemed like a probable outcome that happened for most people. They did not see >60% of people being millionaires, astronauts, firefighters, or pro athletes, so it was obvious that those were cool dreams but were unlikely to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 02:47 PM
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Failed nuance bro. They're saying something different. Each individual reports 1-2%, but that means 98-99% are unattractive to that specific woman, not excluded from women in general. The latter would require all women to agree on the exact same men. They don't. When you consider there are 3.7+ billion women with variations in taste, even if they agree on some Chads, much more than 1-2% of men are attractive to at least some women. They're talking about initial attraction to looks only. They als…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 09:11 PM
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If I tried doing that, I imagine it'd come off as boring betaness at best, or awkward/creepy at worst. Your comment reflects you don't really understand vulnerability because, done right, it's the opposite of boring. It's extremely emotionally-engaging and builds intimacy. That increases her interest and escalates the connection. "Vulnerability" doesn't mean whining about how awkward/inexperienced you are and how hard dating is. It doesn't mean being a weak sap either. A lot of men just suck at …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 07:22 PM
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Which thread? It's a big sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 07:17 PM
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The worst part about the length is that you wrote all this without taking the time to first self-reflect enough to see the holes and fallacies. Your representations of RP and BP criticisms are strawmen. Overall the criticisms go far beyond that into territories you have not addressed. NG behavior isn't virtuous or altruistic. It's transactional, expecting tit for tat, not even a type of "small-minded benevolence". Putting it on that spectrum is a mispresentation. When women ask "where have all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 06:16 PM
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Except 99% of men aren't excluded. BS from incels overestimating their own SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 05:01 PM
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Defeatist low-SMV losers like making excuses why they can't improve SMV in spite of easy solutions, preferring to whine about hopelessness True story bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 09:10 AM
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Physical abuse is a different story. I'm against it done to a woman or man, no gender double standard, but keep making your bogus assumptions. This thread was about men throwing money at beautiful women (usually strangers, friends, orbiters), not systematic abuse in long term relationships or even divorce settlements. There's no comparison. It's more akin to some used car salesman selling you a lemon, blowing too much money at a strip club, taking a bad stock tip on a feeling, or getting scammed…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 03:38 AM
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Lol your Chad envy insecurity is so beta. It's not that hard to get laid bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 03:24 AM
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So fulfilled they recommend you to their friends? Oh wait, they don't. Maybe they're faking.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 02:38 AM
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If you think simply calling out adult men to take more personal responsibility and accountability over their decisions is sociopathy, you're full of logical contradictions for a self-identified RedPiller.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 09:21 PM
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What the hell do you think advertising is? What do you think a real estate agent does? If you accept capitalism, it's neither morally wrong nor fucked up. If the person is a mentally competent adult, it's up to them to make good decisions. If they make stupid decisions, they lose their money and learn their lesson.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 09:12 PM
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Are you implying you're as gullible and mentally-handicapped as an 83 year old senile woman? A proper grown-ass man should be able to make decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 08:36 PM
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No, it's men being dumbasses. Calling it manipulation implicitly puts the power in her hands, gives away all agency and control from the man. Except he's a grown fucking man. Where's his agency over his own actions? Did she force him at gun point? No. He made the stupid decision to throw money at her for being attractive. Be less stupid, make better decisions, and this stuff doesn't happen. We have all the power in this situation, not her, but dumbasses choose to relinquish it. Men just need to …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 08:33 PM
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Yeah but you said beautiful women at least They would expect it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 08:30 PM
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Well that too. The solipsism is in believing "normal" women want exactly what he wants for the same reasons. Also in believing a true female friend would set her gal pal up with dick because that's what he would want a friend to do (and one friend did it once when they were 18), not realizing adult women dont need help to find dick. It's abundant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 01:40 PM
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It's actually funny how little he understands the underlying social dynamics of his observed anecdotes, due to male solipsism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 01:16 PM
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Sure, there's value in female friendships. For example, a female friend who cares about her guy friend wouldn't introduce him to girls who are looking for a boyfriend. She'd introduce him to girls who just want to fuck. 2 things wrong with this. 1, she wouldn't explicitly set you up with those girls, because then she'd have to deal with the emotional fallout when her friend gets pumped and dumped. At best, she might invite you out for drinks/party/clubbing with her friends, and its on you to do …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/18 06:39 PM
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There is no point in men spending time with women who aren't their girlfriends, wives, hook-ups, sisters and mothers. This mentality reeks of incel bitterness. "I got friendzoned too many times so now none of you can be my friends, take that!" There's value in female friends. Friends, i.e. humans you just want to be friends with. Like sisters, without the blood relation. If they're women you secretly want to fuck and hope they'll come around one day, then of course it's not worth your time and b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/18 06:25 PM
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Your first point is off. It's intimidating for REAL rape victims to report because it involves going public with a personal trauma. A good percentage of real victims don't report. However, 100% of fakers report. It's less scary to disclose when it's not a real trauma. The fakers are usually narcissists, sociopaths and other deliberate attention-seekers, so the attention is actually an incentive and not a deterrant. They want to play the victim card, or they spitefully want to smear some guy's re…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 08:37 PM
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Life isn't risk-free. Sex shouldn't be either. Actions have consequences. This is part of nature. If society artificially removed all consequences, we'd end up with a bunch of adult babies with atrophied executive function, who cannot make decisions or manage their lives. We evolved higher reasoning because choices matter, and it matters that we use our cognitive capacities to evaluate risks when making decisions. Even with condoms, birth control, abortions, adoption, Prep, welfare, counselling,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 07:57 PM
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"Messaging" is based on messages received, not messages sent. It doesn't parse who's sending which messages, just who gets the most messages. In other words, it doesn't mean the average frustrated 5 man is regularly messaging 8-9 women out of his league. Not all men send the same number of messages. The 8-9 women receive way more messages, but it might be from a very small group of PUA spammers sending thousands of copypasta, while most average men might be aiming within their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 07:44 PM
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And this is why I was informing you of the strategy I resorted to in these discussions. Because of the misinterpretation about fundamental points and concepts I have to share in the first place. If people misinterpreted, it's because you didn't adequately define your concept of GMs their traits. You used vague, ambiguous terms. More detail in the OP may have helped clear that up. The strategy you resorted to was an ineffective reaction, knee-jerk reacting "omg you won't listen to incels" when th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/18 01:29 AM
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Oh my god. I just freaking told you. Understand how time works? You hadn't stated your purpose before I was asked to refer you to subs. The point was you can't be surprised if those subs weren't relevant. If mods had not removed my original post which was a series of informative discussion topics and links to my primer If it's removed, that makes it even harder for others to follow, more reason to just explain it in your OP. Not everyone here reads PPD every day. To see why this doesn't work, ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/18 01:04 AM
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have genuinely attractive qualities and therefore only seeks to date women of the same league; still struggle with dating Such men do not exist. If a man consistently strikes out with a league of women, they are above his league. He merely perceives himself to be more attractive than he is, perhaps failing to understand how women perceive attraction. Men with genuinely attractive qualities aiming within their league are not struggling with dating. for future generations if we cannot pass on inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/18 12:41 AM
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All general mainstream platitude advice that doesn't suit my specific purpose. What is your purpose? You avoided saying it for a while. Now you briefly mention it but dance around it. You can't expect a good sub referral without having already shared your purpose. I just showed examples of non-pill subs to consider, to show there are non-pill subs. If reddit doesn't have a single relevant sub for you, create your own? More likely, at least one is relevant. Both discussion subs for online dating.…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/18 12:15 AM
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Such as...? r/Tinder, r/seduction, r/relationships, r/OkCupid, r/ForeverAlone, etc. Use the search bar. Ok but you can't just come along and assume the discussions I want to have are exclusively "woe is me" type content. I didn't. I explained why that rule exists (most incel comments are more "woe is me" than debate meat). I then pointed out that you voluntarily chose to complain in your OP instead of starting a discussion about the relevant issues. The simplest way to prove you aren't here to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/18 11:23 PM
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Explained in my sections about Good Man Discourse. Which is not in your OP. People aren't going to research every single reddit comment you've ever written to discover your own personal theories. In a debate you have to make your own case. Your OP makes no convincing case why people should give a fuck, just whines that people here responded negatively to you. If you want to make the case that you're not just whining but want to debate this topic, skip the complaining and just make the meat of yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/18 11:10 PM
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But sexually and romantic isolated men is and always has been a central topic to pillosphere topics as it originated. This is not just a pill sub but a debate sub. Purple Pill Debate. People are here to debate RP theory, BP concepts, gender dynamics, evo psych, and related topics. Expressing your personal frustrations does not make for an engaging debate topic for others. If you simply want to discuss isolation and frustrations within the pillosphere, there are many other pill subs: RP, BP, ince…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/18 10:39 PM
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That's not what I mean by social context. They are controllable aspects you can use to help shape the context in which you meet a woman, affecting her initial impression of you, which can influence her perception of your attractiveness. You can control the environment and circumstances, to a sufficient degree. You don't have to let them control you. Your perspective seems to be one where you are a passive helpless victim to the environment (e.g. you're in a loud night club, don't like loud music…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/18 05:54 AM
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Social context is part of attractiveness though. Maybe you mean "social context, not aesthetics". But that's nothing eye-opening. Only BlackPill incels are saying that it's all looks and nothing else. RP covers a lot of social context. Social dominance, social proof, status, preselection, social skills, teasing, game... these are all cases of using social context to improve your attractiveness in a woman's eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/18 03:22 AM
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Well you said "one meaningful relationship with someone who understands you, and who you understand". In reality, LTRs and even marriage are more complicated than that, and usually they don't fully understand each other. However, it is not unrealistic to meet someone that you get on with and enjoy being with. ... many of them are content. Yeah, but that's a completely different standard than what you said before. Even couples who get along and enjoy being with each other still disagree, sacrific…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 03:52 PM
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And I can't understand why you wouldn't want to have one meaningful relationship with someone who understands you, and who you understand. Because even most people in relationships don't have that. That's a unicorn ideal. For most the reality is more complicated. Look at the fucking divorce rate and rate of marital dissatisfaction. Look at all the women complaining about asshole ex-bfs and men complaining about crazy ex-gfs. I spent my 20s in LTRs of varying compatibility. Even in the best ones …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 01:07 AM
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If you are red pill Bro, you suck at doing your homework. Said "patriarchal" in a negative way Comparing Sweden as an ideal Casual Trump joke advocates being cucked to put female happiness first Does that sound red pill or SJW?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 10:49 AM
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That's only true in the last few decades, because the government now throws free money and opportunities at women. Without handouts and other people willing to pay for them, unmarried women aren't necessarily better off. Historically marriage benefitted women and unmarried women had much worse outcomes, which is why mothers tried so hard to marry off their daughters young. Single mothers especially would be much worse off without handouts (welfare, alimony, child support). They only have increas…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 10:39 AM
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By your logic, men don't enjoy sex either. If you believe you do, it must be self-convincing lies from toxic masculinity bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 11:32 PM
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False equivalence. It's reporting about a metaphysical entity, something she cannot know and could be wrong about. Whether she likes sex is about her own experience and enjoyment, something she knows. Women know whether they enjoy sex. If your claimed "men hate chocolate ice cream" and men reported liking chocolate ice cream, that's enough evidence. Those men fucking know whether they like the ice cream or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 11:02 PM
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Females can have sex (as females) and report that they like sex, refuting your "global thing". What more evidence do you need?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 10:13 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 06:01 PM
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to validate someone else's self-esteem that they are still attractive It's childish to seek validation because their husbands are ignoring them or they got a new wrinkle and want to feel pretty. But that's not the only reason people flirt without wanting it to lead anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 02:50 PM
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Because flirting is sexual often yes an indication you want to sleep with that person. Why? Women don't decide for sure whether they want to have sex until much later. For most of it it's a "OK, I'm intrigued, so let's keep going and see if there's still chemistry and then I'll decide if I want the next step". Female arousal is a dial, not a light switch.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 02:46 PM
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Why would I stop flirting with them though? It's fun, and we both know it's not serious. IMO part of "growing up" is realizing that not every interaction has to definitively declare whether sex is happening or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 02:41 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 02:10 PM
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Dude, if a woman is flirting with you, unless she's like a 10 and you are a 5, she's into you... Or she enjoys flirting but doesn't want it to go any further. That happens often, especially when they're taken. They want the thrill of the flirt but have a clear boundary and aren't going to act on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 02:01 PM
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Who do you think is on this sub? Chad and Stacy? Just lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 02:43 AM
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Must be hard to be autistic. Sorry bro. Do you still play sports? Are you still slim and fit? If you are really that good looking, you should be able to find a girlfriend. ONS might be harder because hookups involve a lot of subtle social cues you'll miss, but women are more patient when it's for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 08:54 PM
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I'm definitely not in the bottom 5%. Was a virgin until I paid for sex at 29. Haven't had any sex in the ~9 months since. Sounds like you're bottom 5%. The vast majority of guys have had sex with at least one non-hooker by age 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 08:42 PM
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What proof is there that guys who aren't blessed with Michael Fassebender looks slaying mad pussy? Define "slaying mad pussy". Are we talking a certain N count? success rate? frequency of sex? the hotness of the girls? How much to be considered "slaying mad pussy"? Otherwise it's hard to answer that question, but I have a lot of anecdotal evidence of men getting laid often despite not looking like a hot celebrity. Women get horny. They get horny when they have gone some time without dick, and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/18 09:48 PM
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Women know within 10 to 20 seconds from the moment they first saw you for the very first time, if they are ever going to let you fuck. How does this explain all the men who lack physical beauty and still have women who enthusiastically want to fuck them? Looks make it easier, but it can't be everything. I'm average at best (probably ugly) and still got a good share of sex in my 20s. There's no way 10-20 seconds of my lack of physical beauty made them decide they'd let me fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/18 09:07 PM
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Stage 1 and 2 must be rare. That's incel zone. Men that repulsive must be 5% of the population or less (i.e. the rate of male virginity at age 25). The vast majority of average-looking men should be in Stage 3 unless they lack even primitive social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/18 08:50 PM
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they want the guy to feel like he's ... discovering a new side of her that she keeps only for herself and for the elected of her heart to find. That's about getting to know her intimately and emotionally connecting, not about getting to know her looks. She doesn't need you to discover she's good-looking (unless she's very insecure). That's superficial. It's better if she already knows she's hot and you can skip that. She craves you peeling back the layers and discovering the deeper sides. if she…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/18 07:30 PM
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Men don't want a woman who knows that she's beautiful, because if she does know it - what is he there for? I prefer when she knows her worth. If she knows it and still wants you, it means that much more. Those women also enjoy getting dolled up for your attention, showing off her looks to "model" for you, and are confident enough with their bodies to do some more adventurous sex stuff. If she's too insecure about her looks and thinks she's plain, why is she with you? Settling because she can't d…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/18 06:53 PM
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Sadly women seem to loose the ability to fall madly for a guy as they age. Very few women over 30 seem to be able to do it (this is the true wall IMHO). This is the most depressing thing about being a male over 30. I miss that look, when they look up at you like you're the only person in the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/18 06:42 PM
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Male. Fall in love with a woman or have oneitis? Your title says one, but the post says the other. For love: combination of looks, smile, kindness, playfulness, intelligence, being articulate and well-spoken, agreeableness, openness, conscientiousness, complexity (simple women bore me), good sex Her achievements, hobbies and goals matter - but I don't see how that's pining away or stalking. Are you talking about women you aren't already dating? I've only fallen in love with women I was already w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/18 06:39 PM
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I was also raised by a single mom, simmering in a vat of estrogen. Growing up, I had 0 influences in my life for confidence, attitude, assertiveness, badassness, Game, or dominance. Worse, I bought my mom's feminist party line about my ex-communicated dad's dom traits being related to him being an abusive sack of shit, so I made it my mission to be as beta as possible. I didn't want to be another wife-beating abusive misogynist. 90s pop culture and feminism kept telling me women wanted a nice se…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/18 07:05 AM
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I know a lot of late-20s early-30s single male programmers who want LTR/marriage and can't find it (myself included). They get set up on a lot of dates who find them "blah", no chemistry.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 01:40 AM
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Yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 11:15 PM
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Xennial. On the cusp. I got fed some of that self-esteem bullshit, but the people younger than me seem even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 11:01 PM
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So now if we can ignore the UMC racket of pushing the child-free globetrotting interchangeable DINC lifestyle that only prostitutes sugarbabies and the intellectually blessed are privy to Why? I had this lifestyle before. I still want this lifestyle in the future. Prostitutes/sugarbabies are not DINC (double income). They depend on the man's single income. Those double income couples are with female doctors, lawyers, engineers, programmers, or business executives.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 10:38 PM
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Everybody wants Chad and Stacy. OkCupid already shows that 5/10 women would look at their 5/10 percentile match men and think "these men should be 2/10, why am I being paired down with uglier guys?". In general, most people would be entitled and think they're hotter than the group they've been assigned to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 10:34 PM
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Of course. Those trophies have created male entitlement, female entitlement, awkward men who don't understand the SMP due to "bluepill lies", women who think they can fuck around with no consequences and then blame the rest of the world if their actions ever have any consequences, a generation that can't grow up...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 10:26 PM
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But if the guy wasn't crying, most women wouldn't fuck him anyway. He's not actually losing any sex if he cries. Most wouldn't either way, but if there was a woman who would fuck him, she might be turned off by his crying. Therefore he does lose sex by crying. Going from 2/10000 to 1/10000 is still a loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 06:18 PM
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started crying randomly after 30 minutes, saying how her friend was really mean to her earlier An ex-girlfriend Sounds like her lack of emotional control turned you off. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 06:15 PM
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As I though about it, I began to realize that as teenagers, both boys and girls are given wrong information about sex and relationships This exactly. This is what RP men mean by their "bluepilled" past selves. It's the lies and misinformation given by society, parents, teachers, after school specials, older sibilings, and protective friends placating their feelings instead of giving honest helpful answers. Question 1: do you agree that both boys and girls are given bad or wrong information about…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 05:31 PM
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every society on this planet has more women than men Ever been to China or India? Or is this typical "US is the only country in the world" bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 01:54 PM
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So are you saying it's plausible to claim incels actually love and respect women and are not would-be rapists or pedophiles? You could make the same argument for their community. Many members of their communities do not hate women and would not harm a woman IRL. You could generalize from those comments and reach a very different conclusion about what it means to be incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/18 07:06 PM
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I've seen plenty of bluepill stuff posted on incels. Does that mean incels are bluepill? Or is that the "normies" posting there to argue with them? Communities aren't homogenous. You can't attribute anything said there to the belief system.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/18 06:50 PM
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He said: Incels are the ones villifying women for hypergamy. You countered: you've see it on terp But incels have infilitrated terp. Incels posting incel-ly things on the terp subreddit doesn't make their incel beliefs part of RP. Blackpill is distinct from redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/18 06:48 PM
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There are plenty of incels on Terp.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/18 06:40 PM
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Yeah AFBB is the ideal but rare. If a man can only find LTRs but not FWB or casual, what does that say about his SMV and RMV?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/18 05:01 PM
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Ok, you're not saying SMV is easy to meet, but you're saying SMV is a precursor for RMV and you wouldn't see relationship potential without there also being SMV? A lot of women are saying this. It's contrary to the AF/BB SMV vs RMV dynamic. Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/18 04:47 PM
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Ok. So even though you're slower to get physical than with another guy, you actually like him more? And will end up being less inhibited and more sexual due to trust and comfort with vulnerability?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/18 04:44 PM
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Ok. So now that you're more discerning and are looking for these other compatibilities too, are attraction and chemistry still as important as before? A lack of compatibilities screens a guy out, but compatibility (on those LTR things) without attraction and chemistry would not be enough to make you want to LTR a guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/18 04:41 PM
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Why do women pursue relationships with guys who are not sexually attractive at all but have beta comfort traits and stability and resources? It must be a "settling with betas" right? Do you and your friends only date hot guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 07:31 PM
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The question was more if the standard for SMV traits is lower when evaluating for LTRs (especially if other RMV traits are good) i.e. if the guy is hot enough to LTR but not hot enough for casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 06:15 PM
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Ok, real life example. I'm an unattractive low-SMV beta male, but I keep ending up in LTRs. I'm usually the ugliest guy a woman has dated, settling with me after dating many Chads. Isn't it safe to assume she's not that attracted to me and is just giving sex to lock me down for commitment for the BB?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 05:33 PM
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For beta bux?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 05:30 PM
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Ok. So if you slept with someone, especially sober and more than once, it would be safe to assume you felt sexual chemistry?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 05:26 PM
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I mean how do you decide whether to have sex the first time? The same way you would for ONS, or are you more open-minded about just giving it a shot once if you're sizing up the guy for LTR?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 05:20 PM
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Very logical. Makes sense. would i fuck them more than once? How do you decide this? Based on the quality of sex the first time? If so, how do you decide whether he's good enough to try sex that first time (assuming you're looking for LTR, not ONS)? Just steps 1-3? (i.e. he doesn't have to be a hot alpha dom with swagger, but as long as he looks decent, carries a conversation and there's chemistry, you'll give it a shot)?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 05:17 PM
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Why are you too autistic to understand a joke? It's not a belief I hold. The joke is about how they will screenshot literally any example of a woman saying something like she said and turn that into a "see Chad wins" meme to communicate something that was already painfully obvious to everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 04:34 PM
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Have you even seen incel memes bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 12:40 PM
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but there is an entire set of things my boyfriend does that bother me but I overlook them because I find him attractive otherwise. Cue the incels turning this into a "Chad can get away with anything" meme
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 12:23 PM
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My age: More overlap in social circles, interests, experiences, tastes, and stage of life 3-7 years older: More confident and stable, less drama. More sexually-awakened. They really knew what they wanted, enthusiastically asked for it, and sex was great. Much easier to give them orgasms. But biological clock ticking and more in a rush for LTR/kids. Faces really showed signs of aging. 3-7 years younger: Youthful skin. More open to spontaneous adventures and staying out later. More sexually submis…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 12:02 PM
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What's your point? That we might be high RMV and higher SMV than we think? How do you define SMV? I assume it meant value for sex... how much women want to have casual sex with us without a relationship. If they enjoy sex with us, but only in an LTR, isn't that RMV? Or is that also SMV?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 11:19 PM
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That's in a separate chain. This particular comment was countering reluctantly_red, not you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 04:15 AM
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I countered reluctantly_red saying "All this means absolutely nothing to most women". No, it does matter - just for RMV, not SMV. Like your OP said. You're the one assuming everything I type is intended as a rebuttal against the OP, then being confused when it doesn't rebut you. Stop assuming and just read.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 04:06 AM
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I was addressing the shit in OP's RMV checklist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 03:42 AM
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I never said you said it takes minimal effort. You made the argument that it takes more effort for a low-RMV man to attain RMV than a low-SMV man to attain SMV (all he has to do is workout, groom, and be social). I disagree. It takes more than that to attain SMV. Also, if it was really that easy, there wouldn't be so many men complaining about it even though there are 1000s of advice blogs already telling men to do those 3 basic things.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 03:21 AM
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Where did I say I was disproving something? What does it have to do with your point? You said repeatedly to others "I think you’re viewing this from a beta male"... Yes, but beta males are very common, so the beta male view is very relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 03:17 AM
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I can think of so many men with average faces, but with amazing bodies, beards, style, cool, confidence, etc who are “Chad.” Yes, but there are so many men with 2/10 faces who can get ripped and style well and be confident and social and still struggle to get laid. Like I said, necessary but not sufficient conditions. You totally ignored where I said confidence and charming. I focused on the actions you said men could do to reach the standard. It was implied confidence and charm would be develop…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 03:14 AM
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You missed the point. You know "plenty of men" like that. However, statistically, those men are less common than betas. If most men you know are like that, it means the men you know are overrepresented by a certain type.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 03:08 AM
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I still argue it takes more than just that. Necessary but not sufficient factors. The men you deem "good enough" for casual sex may check all those bullets, but they probably also have other traits helping them out. You may not even be aware of them all. Working out, grooming, and being sociable are not enough to get casual sex though. For example, to be physically attractive enough, it isn't just working out but also genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 03:06 AM
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I know plenty of men who find That's probably because you know plenty of Chads and bad boys, but that doesn't mean that most men are like that. Most men are betas, not alphas. You might be disproportionately exposed to alphas and ignoring betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 02:56 AM
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It's relative. The men complaining are betas like me who have high RMV and low SMV. Relative to our life experience, being desirable for a relationship does not seem that hard (we were "good boys" who did well in school, got educated, got a job, kept our finances in order, made responsible choices) while being desirable for casual sex seems much less attainable (unmasculine traits, ugly face, or poor physical genetics). Working out, grooming and being social isn't all it takes to get casual sex.…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 02:52 AM
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So what? Don't give them a great deal and encourage other men to do the same. It doesn't have to be that way. We have agency. Fuck this incel victim mentality. Men also create human beings and the means to raise them; women can't produce humans without men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 10:21 PM
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I think I do the same thing as you, just worded less autistically.. you're eliciting more visceral repulsion here. I do a "Trust Test." Partway in I share a nugget of vulnerability in a controlled way and observe how she reacts. If she's callous and starts losing interest, I know she's not worthy of emotional intimacy and will only get casual sex from me, never commitment. If she reacts with empathy and compassion, shares some vulnerability herself, and does not have any lower attraction to me t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 09:47 PM
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Do you have any tips on how to read her level on the dial? So far my "game" is just to turn her dial up past 10 until she takes me home, and it works often enough, but I'm surely missing opportunities. Do you have any tips on how to push things more towards sex partner frame? Even when it starts as uncommitted casual sex, they usually try to push it to LTR because I have such appealing provider qualities it's hard to suppress. It's never full-on beta bux, but it starts leaning more and more into…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 09:35 PM
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Women are born worthy... of what? People only what receive what others voluntarily choose to give them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 09:00 PM
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Really? I think it's less common. Men with SMV are more likely to move on quickly after a wife dies (while women take longer to move on). Men with SMV also move on quickly after divorce. The men who get stuck and obsessed after divorce are the low-SMV cucks who have no one interested in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 07:59 PM
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They're outliers anyway. Post-wall mainly refers to 35-60. Technically speaking women even older that are also post-wall, but if they aren't seeking relationships then their wall status is a moot point so who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 07:34 PM
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Sex is always good, If sex is always good, you would enjoy gay sex. And sex with dogs. Sex is not always good. Sex is good under certain conditions, if it's the kind of sex you want to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 07:31 PM
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In the retirement home? Just enjoying themselves. But that's irrelevant because The Wall does not make claims about whether 70-year-old Edna can have a ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 07:29 PM
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I've "alpha widowed" and met women who were "alpha widowed". That's not what it is. It's when you made such an impact in a woman's life that she can't find another man who matches you or feels worth it. Most guys just seem "meh" to her in comparison. Having felt that intense attraction/love once, she can't settle for "meh" and chooses to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 07:23 PM
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sex is always good; at least according to my male brain Go to the local (male) prison, have some "sex" there, and see if you find it's always good. Sex is always good only when it's always the kind of sex you want to have and you have sufficient degree of control to ensure that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 07:13 PM
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The Wall is about RMV not SMV. There will be some thirsty dude who wants to pop a viagra and give an old lady STIs, but it's much harder for post-wall women to find commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 07:10 PM
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Valuable to whom? Value is relative to something, as perceived by someone. Women are "valuable as such" only when men choose to place them on pedestals and give them value simply for existing instead of requiring them to meet certain expectations and insisting they contribute something. Men are "valuable for their utilities" when women are not self-sufficient and need beta bux to get by. I find independent, educated, self-sufficient, childless women are much less likely to care about utility and…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 07:03 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 03:44 PM
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I only fuck millenials and can keep them on the hook for many days without contact. If she's getting pissy after 14 hours, it's either a shit test you're failing or you didn't have her respect in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 03:43 PM
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Before RP: In LTRs, 5-7 times a week. With FWBs, once a week (sometimes with multiple FWB at a time though). For periods when there were no ongoing relationships (no FWB, STR or LTR), casual hookups succeeded once every few months (big holidays/parties). Having zero game I struck out a lot, especially for hookups, unless we were both drunk and she basically threw herself at me. Still n > 50. Post-RP: After becoming redpilled and blackpilled (following a breakup), I became incel for 2 years. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 03:29 PM
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Whether you're lucky or I'm unlucky is semantics - we had differences in luck. If you crossed paths with someone like I had, maybe you wouldn't be as automatically trusting that a woman's subjective complaint is accurate and honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 10:12 PM
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It's actually quite hard to avoid. You were just lucky enough to not have crossed paths with a manipulative liar. If she's honest and filing a complaint in good faith, it's easy to avoid by being better about your own behavior. But not everyone is honest. It's dangerous to give one party's stories too much power, because not everyone is honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 09:51 PM
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I'm not saying how she feels is irrelevant. I'm saying that if what I do is judged based on how she feels about it, which is subjective, and something I cannot personally experience, I can't know with certainty that a comment or action of mine wasn't construed the wrong way. Legal action requires evidence. However, social media, MeToo, and other gossip can still ruin your reputation even with no legal action and no evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 06:41 PM
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No specific comment. But feminism is telling the next generation of young women that harassment is a subjective and dependent on how they FEEL about a situation. It's a growing snowball that's starting to include unwanted advances from ugly men, bad sex, and who knows what else. It's hard to know what could be perceived as "the wrong thing". Female sociopaths also get too much power to lie/exaggerate. When "he said" one thing and "she said" something else, and there's no corroborating evidence e…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 06:19 PM
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I would prefer if women did more of the initiating, asking men out and making the first move. Shifting the "initiator" role onto women benefits both men and women. Men don't have to worry about awkwardly making the wrong move, have it taken the wrong way, and getting backlash for it. Women will have fewer men bothering them and will feel less victimized and more in control.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 05:45 PM
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Yes to which. Use more words bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 01:50 PM
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Source? Women initiate most divorces.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 01:49 PM
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Define collapse. You mean SMP and marriage, or economically and politically?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 01:32 PM
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Women care more about voice, the way he moves, the way he holds himself. Can you elaborate? What kind of voice, movement, and posture is attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 01:19 PM
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Trying to love 3 can be quite fun, if you're good at juggling
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 12:11 PM
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Chads give all their attention to the sexiest, hottest girls when they're young - but FTFY. TRP/Incels say that attractive guys do that (chase hot girls young, wife up later). Ugly/average guys will fuck anyone young, because they're just desperate to get laid. They don't even bother with the hottest girls, way out of their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 12:28 AM
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My question is, would you have had sex with those woman if you where sober and they where equally interested? Is that the question asked to women? Otherwise, how can boyfriends and husbands be guilty?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 10:53 PM
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If I was with a man who felt this way, I’d be lining up backups the entire relationship. Like, why should I be honest or committed if you’re not? That's why AWALT hypergamy. Red Pill men have never known women who didn't line-up back-ups, because they have one foot out the door themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 09:08 PM
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You snoop through your bfs texts? You sound like a mental case. It's called trust. If you can't have that, you can't have a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 08:52 PM
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In my IRL social circle Male SMP losers - play video games, play D&D or LARP, smoke weed to dull frustration, mediocre careers and lack of ambition or desire to self-improve from weed. Rarely even try dating anymore. Female SMP losers - vocal feminists. Complain about men on the internet. Increasingly bitter and angry about gender issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 11:37 AM
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What's "peep game"? You mean checking our phones and browser history? I work in IT. My technology is all secure, unlike most dumbasses. GFs can't snoop on my phone, laptop, desktop, or anything else. Women who try to violate my privacy are also dumped immediately on sight. I don't tolerate that bullshit, just like I don't snoop her devices either. For anyone who makes it to LTR stage, this is clearly established. So... how would she find out? How do these guys sustain relationships in spy mode w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 09:01 AM
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With two drunk people, is your argument of one of them being responsible only for when the male is the aggressor? Back in early 20s I often had women say those exact same things to me when I was twice as drunk (I drank too much in college)... convincing me to come up or stay because I was too drunk to go home on my own, or making other flimsy excuses for me to go up, initiating sexual touching or kissing. Are you arguing I'm some kind of Chad who was repeatedly assaulted by women?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 08:44 AM
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You ever been a leader in the business world before? Managed a team? It works the same way. As a leader, you gain or lose "trust points" every time you make a decision. If you have a bad track record, they lose confidence in your competence and stop trusting your decisions. If you have a good track record, they're usually more willing to defer to your judgment even if they had a different idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 04:50 AM
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Looking into what? It's an obvious observation of human behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 04:29 AM
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The issue is women will get annoyed when the guy picks something they didnt really want. No, women get annoyed with your pick when they already don't trust your competence and decision-making. In my experience, women give you free reign to pick the first few times, but they secretly evaluate you on the quality of your decisions. If you've established a reputation for making good choices, you build trust and they keep trusting your choices. If you make shitty decisions, they begin to view you as …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 04:11 AM
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That explains everything wrong with how people choose partners and why both men and women on this sub are riding carousels. When I pick someone for an LTR, I don't just pick based on waist and knockers. She stands out in a crowd of people with similar looks, enough so that I'd always make the same pick. If I saw her as a generic 7/10, interchangeable with other women with similar looks, we wouldn't be in an LTR at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 04:01 AM
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I don't know what the working class low income guys you grew up with years ago were doing. Anyway, the past was very different from the present. Women used to be more desperate for men, not the other way around. But today, in 2018, middle class women in my city aren't trying half as hard as the average middle class men are. The women get away with being obese legbeards with bad skin and bad hair and cheap clothes... and still pull men who spend hours in the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 02:17 PM
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Hell most poor women figure out a way. Make up. Snapchat filters. Poor women have more cheap tools available to make them look better. Men are also thirstier. Most average women I know are not looksmaxxing and they still pull men on the reg. They aren't trying half as hard as you claim the average guy needs to. So don't compare what poor women can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 02:10 PM
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Women misjudge what "average" is. https://www.reddit.com/r/OkCupid/comments/2pac0i/men_youre_ugly_women_80_percent_of_men_are_below/ Can an average man make himself look better by looksmaxxing? Sure. But a looksmaxxed average male won't be as attractive as those celebs.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 01:46 PM
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If I show you a pic, you'll just say "oh that's below average". The problem is women misjudge what male average looks are (supported by OkCupid experiment, Tinder data, and other studies).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 01:34 PM
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Those guys aren't facially "average", at least not statistically. More than 50% of men are facially uglier than those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 01:27 PM
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Who said they were using Tinder? All the apps are superficial and full of fakes and games and time-wasters. The old-fashioned way is how they dated in high school and college, why they're not incels. But by 30s, often your female friends are all settled and there aren't opportunities to meet new single women, especially for introverts. how come they dont find each other? They emotionally burn out and aren't even looking. They don't have a biological clock, so they don't feel the same crunch to n…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 12:39 PM
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No, the unlikeable and unattractive guys are the ones who keep trying and keep striking out. These guys aren't incel. They had gfs and good relationships before. They're not Chads but they're attractive enough to be with someone and treat partners well. These guys are not constantly striking out. They're just not even trying. They'll try for a few weeks. They'll get some matches and go on a few dates. But they get frustrated by the "games" everyone is playing, how detached and aloof the average …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 12:27 PM
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No, they mean "Nice Guys" but you're not talking about those men. e.g. considerate of other's feelings, unselfish, kind. The problem is our society in general lacks these qualities in both genders. Both men and women today are selfish, superficial, and not that considerate of others' feelings. It's hard to find the rare considerate, unselfish and kind men on the dating market because they aren't dating at all. They burn out quickly and quit, having too many negative experiences with women who ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 08:11 PM
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The women have a sex-based relationship with him - what they want is a romantically exclusive relationship which we all know you can't expect from anyone unless you ask and they agree. Fuckbuddies fuck each other regardless of whether LTR is involved in the agreement. There is an expectation of reciprocity - they both get sex, and they should both try to get the other off - but it doesn't mean that involves LTR. I fucked my friend once. Should she feel "used" now because it didn't lead to LTR, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/18 11:31 PM
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Both are unrequited love. Are you implying a heartbroken man is somehow less human than a heartbroken woman? Just because men use less flowery language about our feelings doesn't mean men don't also have feelings hurt when "led on". It doesn't mean all he's losing is some meatsleeve he wants to stick his dick in and doesn't see as a human being. What exactly is the fuckzoned girl losing if he never indicated there was ever going to be LTR and she just naively hoped for it if she fucked him enoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/18 10:32 PM
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Bro, have you even fucked? What gets Stacy off doesn't get Amy off, and Becky likes it completely differently. Getting a pussy wet and sticking a penis inside are basic mechanics, but being good in bed is a lot more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/18 09:10 PM
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That perception bias only affects whether she says "yes" or "no" to sex the first time. She's more likely to say yes to the alpha the first time (that's why alpha PUAs get laid). It doesn't affect how good he is in bed or whether he actually gets her off, the topic of the OP. If GigaChad cums in 5 seconds and then falls asleep, it doesn't matter how hot he is, he was still a bad lay.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/18 09:04 PM
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Historically, women really did need more support than men (e.g. women couldn't vote, own land, work). Then.. once any organization is put in place and gains power, it doesn't want to admit it's become obsolete and give up that power, so it comes up with new ways to stay relevant, to retain power. That's why there are constantly new waves of feminism, even though the new waves repel some old feminists. MRA is newer. Feminist supports took decades to develop, facing much resistance for years befor…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 04:46 AM
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Do they really? Or do we just portray/perceive them as doing so because of an ingrained resentment of low status men? A majority do. You can see it in the emotionally-immature rhetoric (which you can read without seeing their looks, avoiding the horns effect). In fact, many of the more public figures are quite attractive and still stamp their feet with entitlement. For all their talk of male logic vs female solipsism & emotion, a lot of these men are emotionally kicking and screaming like trigge…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 04:21 AM
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Think about how they do the poll. Who do they contact? Only people who are divorced and not remarried yet. The ones who already remarried would be "married" and not "divorced/widowed". They're contacting all the spinster cat ladies who don't want to remarry. The ones who did branch swung, remarried quickly, and are missed by the poll because they barely ever counted as "divorced". What this might show is that women who divorce and want to remarry have more options and remarry easily. Or what it …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 10:05 PM
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False premise. Most either didn't want or have a decent career to begin with OR she made the sacrifice for her kids benefit, not her husbands career success. There are plenty of 2 income couples with kids. Many mothers just didn't love their jobs to begin with or wanted time with the kids. The ones with great careers often keep working and just pay for childcare.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/18 05:52 PM
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There is a way to know fairly accurately. Some top shelf researchers have nailed it down to approx the top 0.1%. It's not exact, because there is always some uncertainty and error, but it's far more accurate than saying the "top 1%" (which was clearly the cause of that pedantic debate with the other guy). Several studies have disproven the "top 1%" notion. If you don't know the number or don't care for precision, don't use a number. Use words to describe the group you mean. Precision matters in …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/18 04:49 PM
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The problem is you are using "the top 1%" to refer to something that is not the top 1% but probably closer to the top 0.1%. You don't mean the top 1% of wealth, net worth, or income. You mean the group of elite rich that Americans are angry at and that get colloquially branded "the 1%" by some uneducated homeless hipsters occupying wall street. I understand the point you are trying to make, but you should really be banned from using numbers. Especially if you're trying to speak with such authori…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/18 11:29 AM
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I'm saying it's better to say "I'm not interested in you", period. You're missing why. As you said, there are 2 types of guys. Type 1 = guys who will aggressively pursue you no matter what you say. Type 2 = guys who will take the hint and respectfully leave. You said yourself, nothing you say will deter Type 1. But what about the Type 2 guys? Sure, we leave even if you make up some bullshit line. We get the hint. Then you forget about us. But feeding us bullshit is also disrespectful and frustra…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 12:39 AM
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So? The fact stands that women are not just saying "I'm not interested" most of the time. If they don't listen either way, what's the advantage of saying "I have a boyfriend" or "I'm not interested"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 12:27 AM
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Thank you for the unsolicited advice, but do you really think women haven't tried saying "I'm not interested"? I can tell you that as a man I've never heard "I'm not interested" or "I'm not into you" or "I'm not attracted to you", but I've heard "I have a boyfriend" or "I'm busy" or similar lines more times than I can count. If they tried being direct, they wasted their one try on some stalker who was never going to leave them alone either way, then gave up and didn't bother with the rest of us …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 12:18 AM
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Why are they asking to see you again or asking for your number? They're hoping for attraction. "I have a boyfriend" or "I'm busy" are excuses, but they don't answer "is she attracted to me?" (or "can I make her be attracted to me?"), the underlying question that keeps them interacting with you. Tell them "no, I'm not interested in you". Extinguish hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 11:48 PM
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What about "I'm not attracted to you"?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 11:34 PM
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Based on... what, your theory and no life experience? Women with money will be attracted to money IF the men have net worth in 8 figures or above. They won't be attracted to a measly 150k-200k salary (even if it's above their own).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 09:22 PM
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since women value a man's income 1000 times as much as men value women's income Poor women and single mothers do. Women with good jobs don't need a man's income and value it much less than women did historically.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 09:17 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socioeconomic_status an individual's SES = mainly income, education and occupation I know it's only Wikipedia, but that's also the definition social science people use when controlling for SES or looking at trends by SES. Maybe you guys use it colloquially to mean "class", because people from "good families" want to define themselves by the status of their families even if they're not doing well, but that's not the technical definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 08:40 PM
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Thanks for the detailed reply. Unfortunately US-born oriental girls often don't want to date same-race guys. They associate us with traditional values and want to rebel from parental/traditional pressure, embracing a Western life. I hear the same is true for my Indian friends. Racially, we're in a strange position where we are less desirable to both our own race and the dominant local race (white) despite being high SES. Exercise, diet - that stuff is obvious. Been there. Done that. That info is…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 08:12 PM
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How do you make money and mind work for you? Does my race change what you would have advised?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 07:15 PM
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Your education and money alone are indicative of above-average "smarts" and provide some status in the grand scheme of things, but don't make you sexy in a vacuum I never said that they should make us sexy. I just said that they don't, and that therefore contradicts the OP claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 06:40 PM
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Plenty of us stayed virgins through undergrad because we didn’t want to have casual sex. Plenty of you in America?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 06:34 PM
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Yeah I agree with your amended position (if you include "white" in there). Attractive white "starving hipsters" are much more desirable to the educated high-earning American women than Asian and Indian IT nerds making 6 figures. This is the opposite of what we were told growing up, so it's a bitter pill for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 06:33 PM
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I think things have changed in the last 25 years. At state colleges, both WC and MC girls just take out student loans, get wasted, and fuck all the frat guys and athletes. They flunk out of school in 2nd or 3rd year, not due to school being inherently hard or lack of family support, but from being drunk all the time and not taking it seriously. In the past I could see economic class and family support being a bigger barrier to success. But today there's no reason for anyone without a learning di…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 05:49 PM
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The chaste one will need encouragement to even touch my dick. I think you're confusing being chaste/selective with not being attracted to you. If she's attracted to you, she'll still get horny for you and crave your dick. The only difference between her and the slut is that the slut gets horny for a lot more guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 05:42 PM
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Class, yes. But he was asking about SES. SES and class aren't the same thing. SES is literally your current socioeconomic situation, not your family pedigree in social and class hierarchy. The OP question asked about "rich and educated" (i.e. your status), not "class" (your family's status).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 05:23 PM
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How old are you? What country do you live in? People usually keep the values they grew up with. This is counterintuitive when you ask someone about SES. I'm in my 30s. When someone asks my SES, I consider my own SES, not my parents'. I've been a grown adult for a long time. Parents aren't paying my bills. I consider her current SES too, not her SES when she was 5 years old. When I say blue collar, I mean he's working a blue collar job today in 2018, not what his parents did. What you're really t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 04:55 PM
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That's a surprisingly reasonable position to come from a BP female on this issue. I pretty much agree with what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 04:31 PM
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Well there are some obese broke single mothers desperate for beta bux. However, there aren't lower class women available for casual sex or equal class women available for LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 04:28 PM
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33 male. Education: STEM grad degree from an Ivy. My educated, high-earning female friends don't need beta bux to survive, so they're dating hot studs of lower SES. Meanwhile I have many male friends who are well-educated high-earning IT professionals who can't get a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 04:16 PM
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"the fastest growth in the last two decades has occurred among white women in their 20s who have some college education but no four-year degree." That's a very politically-correct way to say middle class attractive white girls who go to college to party and get pumped and dumped, maybe do some amateur porn, but never get a degree. I'm not surprised these club thots are leading the way in single motherhood. Q4All: Is marriage only for the rich and well-educated? I'm upper-middle class (income > $…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 02:54 PM
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there's a more or less equitable property division such that the person who's less of an asshole gets slightly more property Which is it? More? Or Less? How much is "slightly"? How do they measure who is the greater asshole, or if they are equal assholes? Do you use the Asshole-ometer 5000? These are important legal details to determine property division. The general principle behind your argument makes sense, but if the legal and financial details cannot be implemented consistently for all divo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 02:09 PM
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have fathers be the default custodial parent Disagree with this one. Many fathers are shitty parents too. Fathers can also be abusive, alcoholics, negligent, criminals. Biologically, maternal instincts are stronger than paternal instincts. Women aren't all great parents, but there's no biological/evopsych argument for fathers to be better default parents than mothers. My father would have been a disaster. Instead, just remove mothers as the default. Let it be determined case by case. Many mother…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 02:01 PM
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It doesn't have to mean that, but a lot of men misinterpret her leading and nagging as her wanting to be in control all the time, so he becomes a supplicant ("happy wife, happy life"), lets her decide everything to placate her ("yes dear") and betas out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 10:56 PM
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First it was the government. Then its GSS. I admitted I thought the data was from a government survey instead of the GSS, but corrected that when I linked the article. The GSS is even more credible, so that change doesn't undermine my argument. Then you saying GSS is widely used source. Now its a major source in sociology research. No I said this: "most commonly used data source in US social science research other than the Census." Can you read bro? Seems to me GSS really only does niche researc…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/18 02:22 AM
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The GSS has been a major player in US sociology research since the 70s. People in any way connected with sociological research have heard of it. The GSS is a trusted source. I gave you some background (not just Wikipedia, but also the NORC website). If you're not satisfied, do your own Google search and you'll see descriptions of the GSS will say roughly the same thing. Check how many peer-reviewed studies use it too. I've given you sources and evidence. Your own claims lack both. Far more men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 10:02 PM
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He's naive and thinks the marriage will work, even though she's been like this for years and is just getting bitchier every year. We've tried convincing him to ditch her, but he's not redpilled enough. Divorce will still wreck his finances - selling the house, dividing assets, legal fees, and alimony to support her spending addiction. I think he's insecure he'll find anyone else too, since he wasn't exactly slaying before. yet I ended up doing more house work most of the time Same goes for you..…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 09:36 PM
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Find that hard to believe, as if it was I would think it be a wildly known source like the CDC. Wikipedia: "The GSS is the most frequently analyzed source of information in the social sciences after the US Census. Information collected in the GSS is used by policy makers, scientific researchers, government officials, and students to better understand Americans, and better meet their changing needs" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Social_Survey http://www.norc.org/Research/Projects/Pages/ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 09:23 PM
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This is anecdotal, but my friend's wife complains about having to do more than 50% of the cleaning and all the cooking.... even though she doesn't work, he works 50+ hour weeks, and she spends all day spending beyond their budget. This is the beta bux situation I never want to be in.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 08:57 PM
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So much for government data I had thought the result was from a government survey, but the GSS is no less credible. It's the most commonly used data source in US social science research other than the Census. So? For all you know they are choosing not to have sex. If you want to be like that... for all we know they could be aliens LARPing as human males filling out fake survey data, and you could be a troll robot programmed by Russian hackers disputing this so some stock price goes up. But how p…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 04:29 PM
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By "incel on the rise", I'm talking about the unwanted celibacy, not specifically angry 4chaners who self-identify as members of the "incel rebellion". The proportion of 20-35 year old males who have not had sex in the last year among never-married males has increased substantially over the last few years. For the longest time the rate for males and females was flat, but since about 2012 the rate for males has increased a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 06:31 AM
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Rarely at the same pay, since there are more options to contract that work out cheaply to low cost of living areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 04:38 AM
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“I work 40 hours a week at a desk job but I am going to make my wife keep doing all the cooking and cleaning even though she also works 40 hours a week at a desk job because some men are laborers”. That's not the typical couple though. In the US, full-time male workers work on average more hours per week than full-time female workers: https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2015/time-spent-working-by-full-and-part-time-status-gender-and-location-in-2014.htm On average the hours gap is even bigger, because …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 04:26 AM
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There must be other geniuses on here. Geniuses tend to be low SMV, overanalytical, and can be prone to depression and boredom. PPD appeals on many levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 04:15 AM
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I'm 28 now, still a virgin .... men with average looks Bro, you don't have average looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 03:56 AM
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Most men in the US who earn those salaries wouldn't earn that much in a cheap town in another country. Maybe our best hope is to save up a fortune fast, then move and live off investments + small income somewhere cheaper.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 03:52 AM
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I edited. Did you read my changed comment? It shows the women are more interested in the average man No. The same study shows women defined "average" differently. They defined "average" as the 80th percentile, and those were the "average" men they messaged more. 50th percentile men were ranked below average. You're ignoring the extreme skew in how they rated looks and how that impacts interpretation of the rest of the data. You're interpreting the data wrong. The study literally shows that men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 06:12 PM
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So you agree the study isn't wrong. Some individual in some debate thread I haven't seen triggered you by making a bad argument and misinterpreting the data. You need to stop holding all RP accountable for some idiot making a bad argument in some other thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 05:53 PM
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Unless you have an actual argument with reasons, your comment is empty. I could equally call your comment or anything else pointless. It's an empty accusation. Why do you disagree with the study?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 05:45 PM
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Maybe blackpill evidence, Tinder studies, etc. 5-10 years ago, before dating apps, you just met people IRL. It was less superficial and less looks-based, more influenced by proximity and getting to know each other. That's how most average men met GFs. Those same men would strike out horribly on dating apps though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 04:45 PM
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Define "casual commitment" and "real relationship". We're talking in make-believe words made of clouds, defining them differently, thus causing different views.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 12:01 AM
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What makes you different from the millions of non-incel men and women that have social anxiety? Some are virgins at 20, many aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 04:42 PM
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What part is involuntary?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 04:40 PM
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Why do you consider it involuntary? Your post history indicates you are also against casual sex and being a "slut" or used as a placeholder. You're not incel. You're just like any other woman who prefers LTRs, values her virginity, and is waiting for the right man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 04:36 PM
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Why do you consider yourself a femcel?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 04:33 PM
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You: Lol incels don't have "enemies." Literally no one gives a fuck about them. Enemies don't have to be "hateful" or a "hate movement" to be enemies. Also, that is literally countless people giving a fuck about incels. "Don't be a bitter hateful fuck who thinks they're entitled to sex." - This is literally their enemies definition of incels, not the definition of incels. You have proven my point. Nothing more needs to be said. Also, don't downvote, especially for citing truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 04:26 PM
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r/IncelTears https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-rage-of-the-incels http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-44053828 http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-ol-patt-morrison-warren-farrell-incel-20180516-htmlstory.html https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/incels-alek-minassian-mra-mens-rights-terrorism-toronto-van-attack-a8323166.html https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/minority-report/201804/the-incel-movement https://jezebel.com/saint-elliot-rodger-and-the-incels-who-cano…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 04:11 PM
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Incel, by their enemies definition is an extremist movement. Feminism, by manosphere definition, is an extremist movement and represented by the radfems who want men castrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 04:00 PM
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It condemns those who act like sheep, pursuing things to impress others and follow popular opinion, instead of pursuing one's love of life
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 03:41 PM
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It means it's not a loser sentiment. It's a sentiment correctly identifying that she's the weak one. An Atlas Shrugged fan is seriously questioning the validity of calling others out for being sheep?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 03:35 PM
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She was attracted to me. She just lacked the courage to date who she wanted to instead of who her friends approved of. Sounds like she's the loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 03:32 PM
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Incomplete penetration? Lasted less than 10 seconds?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 03:01 PM
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AQANLT (all queers are not like that). Your experience matters, but it's irrelevant to cis-hetero male-female dating dynamics, which is what the pillsphere is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 02:57 PM
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Yes TRP is mostly about the SMP of the US, UK, Australia, France, Germany.... It's not always white females, but females living under white culture. I'm Asian too. I completely agree with you that traditional Asians living in the East under different cultural and religious values will behave differently. I think the lifestyle you live is great. You should be proud of your life choices and culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 02:40 PM
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Luckily radfems don't represent feminism but radincels represent all incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 02:35 PM
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People were attractive back then. Less obesity, less screen time, more fresh air and exercise. High school girls were very hypergamous. They sought social status by hanging out with high status friends and going for high status guys only. I was very low SMV, Asian FOB nerd in a very white school. High school was rough for me. I had to shop the unwanted section, the low status girls. The low value girls weren't ugly or obese though. They were just socially awkward, immigrants like me, wore cheap …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 02:23 PM
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Who said my statement implied that? The people saying it doesn't work are the ones who can't pair up. Of course it doesn't work for them. Does anyone give a shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 02:04 PM
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It does "not work" in the sense that not all people can pair up on the ark.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 01:54 PM
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Sure, but in modern relationships, men tend to think 'casual commitment' actually means something Women are the ones to ask for it. Why? Jealousy? Desire for emotional commitment? Even when we start off as FWB where it's explicitly clear we can see other people, if it keeps going beyond a few months at some point she gets attached and jealous and wants exclusivity. I'm a high RMV low SMV man though, so experiences may vary.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 01:49 PM
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Big problem with research method: he should be looking at the correlation between IQ and attractiveness for individuals, not the correlation between average IQ and attractiveness for college majors. He's assuming all the differences between majors are due to the difference in average IQ. Clearly not true. IQ's not the only thing different between the groups. For example, math and comp sci may have lower attractiveness not because high IQ is unattractive but because the disciplines are considered…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 03:22 AM
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Yes. Only for a few months. Never for long. I wouldn't lead someone on for a year or more. That would be unfairly stealing her youth as well as wasting mine. I think a few months is fair game. It's still the early "getting to know you" stage where expectations are low and commitments are not made yet. Why? I liked her. Just not enough. But more than anyone else at the time. Sometimes you want to see if you can feel something more. Then you realize you don't. Dating is just one big experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 03:04 AM
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who are these "sluts" men can pick out of a line up? Lewis already called this out as a strawman. Who's claiming this is possible? If she didnt look like the basic slut, above ^ but her N count was high - how would you treat her? Casual sex but no LTR. When do you ask her for an N count? Don't always. It means I have to share mine too. At some point we vaguely discuss ballpark numbers and past experiences with LTRs and hookups. I'll ask more detail if really considering long-term. if you dont as…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 02:53 AM
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Being convenient and efficient doesn't make it more accurate. I understand the motivations for those choices in social science research methods. That doesn't make Aaren's point any less valid. You said describe data and then trying to come up with hypotheses on the causal relationship between the variables In an observational study (where you collect the data first), as opposed to a controlled experiment, it is very difficult to quantitatively establish a casual relationship, especially when 90%…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 04:20 AM
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Have you see Elon Musk's tight schedule?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 06:23 PM
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An incel isn't going to go from 0 to 100. The advice might get him from 0 to 60. People who started above 0 have a big edge.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 06:22 PM
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observation... is not a research method where? Have you even read the scientific method? Any Karl Popper? This is why social science is laughed at as fake science. Observation is just part of the picture. It's a cycle of induction and deduction. You make observations. Formulate a hypothesis. Test the hypothesis with real world observations/data. Decide if the hypothesis is supported. If not, repeat (look at observations, formulate a hypothesis, test it, etc.). It's an ongoing cycle of observatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:51 PM
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The difference is women are in control of how much sex they have. Other women are having less sex because they either have lower sex drives or don't like the skill level of available male partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:45 PM
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OP topic. Some people occasionally talk about it on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 01:36 AM
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The ones that do choose escorting choose it over minimum wage work, so they clearly don't feel oppressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 01:29 AM
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If it's so good why do men not escort for old gay guys? Much less money and demand. No strings gay sex is easy to get due to male thirst.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 01:24 AM
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However, women have the choice to work as an escort or do boring shit at $15/hr. They choose escorting over that. OP does not have a choice. He does the only option available to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 01:00 AM
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If people want to follow an ideology that generates Elliot Rodger there is no room for sympathy there. Did the ideology generate Elliot Rodger? Or did an already hateful psycopath like Elliot Rodger just identify with the community?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 08:38 PM
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Hypermasculinity was stronger in the past, yet men were less lonely. It's so convenient to blame patriarchy for everything, winning you brownie points in some circles, but it's inconsistent with history.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 08:18 PM
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So, as a blue pill woman, what's your opinion of all the RP stories about their hypergamous ex-wives and the women who beta buxxed them. If she didn't show love, does that mean they're right that the whole marriage/relationship was a lie, that she wasn't really in love but just looking for comfort or resources?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 08:04 PM
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Love is both: a feeling and an action. The actions vary. You may not buy into the "languages of love" thing, but the overall concept is true. Different people show love in different ways. Different people want to be loved in different ways. Just because his actions didn't make you feel loved doesn't mean he didn't think he was demonstrating loving actions. It just wasn't right for you. That doesn't mean your whole relationships was a deception and a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 07:50 PM
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Plausible alternate hypothesis: he does love you but is just selfish and doesn't demonstrate love the way you would like to be loved.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 07:39 PM
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Women assume that because a guy's stuck around for years, he must care about you. But the truth is, some guys will marry and have kids with women they don't even like, let alone love. Because they don't want to be alone. How do you know he didn't love you the whole time? Maybe he loved you before but fell out of love later?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 02:51 PM
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We had not really had that discussion yet, but we had spent enough time together that a simple This is where I disagree. If you have expectations, talk about them and DTR. If you don't, there should be no expectation of exclusivity or assumptions about other partners. So many women love to assume things rather than communicate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 02:47 PM
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What causes a man to be stuck in the red zone? If a man is initially yellow, what inputs would sway him towards green and what towards red?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 02:42 PM
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I think much later in life many will regret missing out on the opportunity, lonely without family. People who live for the moment don't think past age 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 03:25 AM
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High value female here
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 03:18 AM
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I'm very shy and I think awkward shy guys tend to go for women who remind them of their mom. Among my male friends, the guys who go for those mom-type women are just very immature. They may also be awkward and shy, but the predominant feature is the immaturity and needy codependence. They can't survive without a mother. The ones who are mature but awkward and shy all go for awkward and shy women, women who they feel are in their league and not intimidate by. The problem is that neither of them t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 03:12 AM
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I’m just pointing out a common refrain from around here that isn’t really much of an argument. Because it's not an argument against PPD. It's an RP belief and an argument against mainstream society. It's a great argument against MSM. If you think it's meant to be an argument against you or PPD, that's how you're personalizing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 07:08 PM
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Look man, if someone is going to respond to something here with "women are always to blame" and say I were to ask why, But that's not what happened here. Based on the wording of this post, it's NOT asking why RP says "women are always to blame" as a response to PPD arguments. It's not about any specific response or specific PPD debate topic. It's asking about RP beliefs in general, which were formed for reasons outside this sub. If you ask a Catholic "why do you believe in God", his answer doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 04:19 PM
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The real question is why do they need to ask you more than once? Why is she unilaterally deciding what needs to be done and overruling your willpower? What kind of things are you getting nagged about? I can't think of a relevant example. Is it just stuff like "honey pick up your socks"? Why are those conversations happening at all? Most things I manage on my own, without anyone needing to ask. If she asks something and it's reasonable, I'll do it. If I don't want to do it or think it's unreasona…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 04:09 PM
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Then tell her that the first time. Why would she ask again? Do you have a relationship where you haven't clearly defined each other's roles and expectations and she doesn't respect your agreement?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 03:55 PM
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If it's calm and polite, I don't usually see it as nagging. I see it as a request. Why are they asking you multiple times? Do you have Alzheimer's and forget in between?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 05:00 AM
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The OP question was "why are RP such a fans of the theory..."? The answer is because of those beliefs, which exist beyond PPD. If you ask why RP believes something, the answer doesn't have to be limited to PPD. RP beliefs transcend PPD. Sometimes the answer is "because of reasons that have nothing to do with this sub", and that's a perfectly good argument for why RP believes something.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 09:48 PM
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Women nag when men fail to be good doms. It's an internal cognitive distress caused by things not being as they should be and the man not fixing it on his own. She has to take charge and control things, but assuming this role upsets her, so she does it naggingly instead of calmly. If the man manages his own life and household and family sufficiently, they tend to nag less. Also, it's a personality thing. Some are more naggy than others. I avoid the very naggy ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 09:41 PM
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But the TRP philosophy was not formed as a response to the context of PPD community. It was formed as a response to mainstream society, feminism, and so on. Those RP beliefs exist beyond PPD and this debate. If you come here challenging "but why do RP men say this?", the answer is not because of PPD, but that doesn't invalidate the belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 09:32 PM
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Cool your horses. That info wasn't in the OP or near the top comments. We're not all mindreaders and post history stalkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 09:14 PM
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Are you married to what you want? The person I replied to isn't. That's why friends told her to lower her standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 09:11 PM
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It's immoral to end it by cheating, but that's because of the cheating. What else could they possibly take issue with? Who's complaining? Women? Men? BP? RP? PP?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 01:24 PM
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How do you know they tricked you? Because they slept with you and then dumped you, but you thought they were looking for a relationship? Or was it HIMYM-level elaborate deceit?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 03:46 AM
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Wait what? It's morally questionable to break up with someone you're not married to, ever? Why? There's no lifelong commitment implied. If you wanted the commitment, get married. If you're not married, no lifelong loyalty was made, so how could breaking up be unethical?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 03:40 AM
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Yeah, that's what I meant. Women who are looking for riches, high status, or prestigious jobs. Not just women avoiding men in abject poverty. Average middle class men have sufficient means to support a family, especially now that women earn decent wages.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 03:36 AM
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His only choices are rope FTFY
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 03:31 AM
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Indicators of being financially stable (i.e. beta bux meal ticket), not loyal or devoted. A rich high status guy may hate cooking, cleaning, doing chores, helping with parenting, being patient with her. He may cheat. He may tell webs of lies. All you know from those indicators is that he can bring home the bacon, but women don't even primarily depend on men for that anymore. Middle class men have sufficient means to raise a child, without money, status, or a high status job.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 01:59 AM
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You can't fuck someone you're less attracted to? Men are forced to do this all the time. When men can't date the models they lust after, women/BP's first response is "lower your standards on attraction". How's that any different?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 08:52 PM
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Why doesn't she put on her big girl pants and ask him? There's an unequal power dynamic. She has all the choice and all the legal power to ruin the rest of his life, in spite of his wishes. That's a strong incentive for him to not say something that might piss her off while she's hormonal. It's only safe to say "hey maybe we shouldn't have this kid" if she's calm and having clear, open, non-judgmental communication. If you want him to take the lead, don't give women so much legal power over baby…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 08:49 PM
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It's a better indicator than whether he's understanding and cares about your feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 08:36 PM
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Who is him? The hypothetical man you're asking about, not a real person. can cook and clean Not the same as "agrees to cook and clean X hours a week and was doing so regularly". If you vet him on what he's capable of, not what he actually does, are you surprised at the disappointment? caring, loyal, family oriented, patient, protective, understanding, not selfish, mix of alpha and beta traits, high EQ A man can have all these traits before AND have these traits after, without ever changing.... a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 08:16 PM
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Define "good father". Have you talked to him upfront about what you expect him to do, and does he agree? Like a man could have been good when you were single What do you mean by "good"? Romantic? Good sex? Attentive? Tingles? Faithful? Exciting? These things are all good but have nothing to do with parenting skills and responsibilities. If this is your measure of "good", he's not "changing" after childbirth. He's the same person. Those things you liked before just don't relate to whether he'll d…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 06:56 PM
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No I have heard this specifically about choosing a husband over and over. “Lower your standards” This is usually with regards to superficial things like money, status, looks. I don't think anyone, man or woman, is saying to lower your standards about faithfulness and values for a husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 06:47 PM
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You don't seek them out. They're just the most aggressive women in the dating pool. It's like asking women why they date lying players and PUAs. Those men are also the most aggressive, trying the most, so you encounter a disproportionate number of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 06:45 PM
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If you're a 30s or 40s male and you aren't top-tier sexually attractive but high RMV, single mothers hunt you down like bounty hunters and throw themselves at you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 06:42 PM
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She's the only cardholder. He has no cards to play. His only choices are "walk away" or "stay with her and do everything she wants".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 04:06 PM
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if you dont believe in abortion, give it up for adoption. Can't believe how many women on here don't think about this. They assume that if she's against abortions, the unwed baby daddy's automatically volunteering to be her wagecuck for life unless he like tries to kill the fetus in her sleep.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:57 PM
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See above... Roid-pumpers may have stupid high BMI, but most US men are fat and not body builders. Sure, a guy with BMI 26 may be ripped and just have a lot of muscle. But in the US, most of the time that's not the case. Most of the time his body fat% is just high.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:48 PM
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"Babies are a lot of work" is not the same as "I expect you to do A, B, C, D, E,.. and play X role in the child's life". He may not realize exactly what work she will expect him to do. You know what's even more stupid? Assuming it all instead of asking. Most women don't ask up front. They just expect the guy will do whatever she wants him to do, then are baffled when he walks out. Why is talking about it so difficult?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:41 PM
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I don't expect to come first ever, unless it's a long-term LTR / marriage before kids. But let's put this another way.. she should drop all of her friends and interests A single mother has those too, just like anyone else... PLUS kids. It's more responsibility on her total plate. More restrictions on the calendar. More restrictions on when she can schedule dates, answer phone calls, have sleepovers, or leave home. Kids are a MUCH bigger obligation than friends or some weekly book club. It seems …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 11:09 AM
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300 pounds is morbidly obese. That doesn't mean 180 isn't fat. There are degrees of fatness. It's not obese but still overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 10:29 AM
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Low-income single moms in my social network are offering me free sex ("hey can I come over and get drunk and fuck you?") trying to lure me into being a replacement dad. These are not FWB. These are platonic friends, who were never attracted to me before, now tactlessly throwing themselves at me because they want my beta bux. I have to swat them away.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 09:37 AM
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knowingly impregnates a woman Accidental pregnancy though, right? He was no more knowing than her. You talk as though this was some nefarious male plan to victimize women. He's actually more helpless than her. doesn't ask her to abort Not his choice. Her body, her choice. He has no say. There's a lot of stigma against men who force their GFs to abort... it's a cruel thing to compel someone to do. He's unlikely to ever bring it up, for fear of judgment. If she wants to know, she should ask openly…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 08:22 AM
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She might be using you for money and stability, not pursuing you for love and attraction. There's a high chance of baby daddy drama. She'll be pissy and offload emotions on you. You may have to see her ex regularly as he picks up kids. How would you feel if your partner's ex kept dropping by? If you two have a fight, would you worry they might fuck? She has young kids at home, responsibilities. That means it's harder to book dates and travel or be spontaneous. Dating becomes an entirely differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 08:05 AM
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No. This is how single mothers happen. If you haven't talked about the details and logistics and agreed that you're both on the same page, that you actually have a plan to raise the baby together and know your respective roles and expectations, you shouldn't assume anything. You really need positive consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:48 AM
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How much did she openly communicate with him before about parenting, responsibility, expectations, and his wishes?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:42 AM
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She doesn't have to be hyperaware of male intentions. She just has to be responsible. Most people who end up single mothers also make very irresponsible choices. Women have literally all the choice when it comes to pregnancy. It's very easy to NOT have an unwanted baby: cheap condoms, the pill, many other forms of birth control, tube-tying, non-penetrative sex, limiting sex to LTRs, abstinence, Plan B, abortion. If all else fails, she can give the baby up for adoption. She could also be more sel…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:24 AM
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Unless they lift a lot, sounds fat. What's his body fat %?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:08 AM
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That's what I would do too. I'd take at least 50% custody and pay for the kids costs as related to my role raising him, instead of sending her money.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 11:04 PM
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Alright. I noticed you up and ignored my second question, but that's fine I'll hit 2 birds with one stone, using your second question to answer your objection... my objection was with the assertion that STEM careers were designed, somehow maliciously, to exclude women. Perhaps you could quote where I asserted that STEM careers were designed (maliciously) to exclude women? Because I didn't. I said they were designed to suit the autism-spectrum men who first worked in that field. Those roles suite…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 10:10 PM
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How might I employ empathy and people skills in crafting my SQL query? Working in teams, having regular group brainstorming dialogue, you might come up with better code and better solutions than you could on your own. Unless you're a top 1% coder, you probably can't find the best solutions to all problems on your own all the time. People skills help with team work. Also with project management, managing personnel, dealing with management... What are you querying for? At the end of the day, it on…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 09:53 PM
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The resident autist, on cue. The roles we associate with established professions are largely determined by the roles taken and assigned by their predecessors in that field. We get used to job X doing tasks Y and Z, because that fit the aptitudes and preferences of others historically. Doesn't mean it's the most efficient way to do it, or the best way all personality types can contribute to the field. It's just convention.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 09:28 PM
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I just have trouble understanding why any woman would want to walk around topless Why do you need to? I have trouble understanding why anyone listens to country music, but I understand that some people out there like it and respect their choice and freedom to listen to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 09:12 PM
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Why are you opposed to "free the nipple" then? You don't have to expose your own nipples. Why do you care if other women expose theirs? Women oppose nipple-freeing because they don't want people looking at other women's nipples. Otherwise there's no reason to oppose it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 01:47 PM
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I’m a woman That explains it. Women seem most against it, not wanting men to gawk at other women's nipples. It's irrational for men to oppose it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 01:35 PM
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It's creepy and abusive, but it was consensual. He decided to do it, sat next to her, touched her breasts, etc. This is only statutory rape. It's very different when it's forced on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 01:08 PM
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Have you been raped by a woman, or is this just theoretical? I have. It didn't ruin my entire life, but it did affect me a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 01:04 PM
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they're not hideously ugly, they're just terrified of social situations to the point where they're never in situations to meet people They also get 0 matches on dating websites, which are entirely looks-based. You assume men are only incel when they're too afraid to go out and meet women, but that all men could succeed if they tried. If you did your research, you'd realize that isn't true. Some incels have crippling social anxiety and avoid trying, but not all. There are YouTube videos of incels…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 12:49 PM
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I guess things are pretty bad for some guys, yeah? I don't know if feminism is where we should be looking. You're assuming men become upset about feminism only because recent social change has made their lives worse, and they assume feminism is the cause of their problems (instead of the ripple, as you say). I can't speak for all men, but it's not true for me, and I disagree this is how men in general become aware of or opposed to feminism. It's not just a scapegoat for frustration. I have no pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 12:21 PM
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STEM careers were designed with autism in mind. It's hard for women with empathy, people skills, and multitasking to want to do them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 11:57 AM
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Shouldn't there be a bigger conversation among men about the men who are either offended by going dutch, or who are too scared to ask to go dutch for fear they'll be rejected? What makes you assume this is the reason he's paying? I always ask to go dutch, but some women have the audacity to push back with "oh.. I forgot my wallet" or some other bullshit like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 11:49 AM
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Free the nipple is amazing. What the hell is wrong with all you men where you don't want to see more women with their tits out? If you sexualize breasts, like most men, great - more tits to see! If you don't sexualize breasts, then why would you care if they expose their nipples in warm weather or to breastfeed?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 11:46 AM
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I'm younger than you and likely a different generation, possibly living in a more liberal state. They're everywhere - college, media, workplace, culture. Your position is extremely naive. Not everyone lives in a small town in a bible belt state, only listens to Fox News, and otherwise keeps their head in the sand. If you interact with people in a big city, attain higher education, and pay attention to global issues in general and what's happening in the world, you're bound to encounter some.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 11:11 AM
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Yeah, maybe it depends on the establishment. At Hooters, clearly men tip the hot servers more, because that's what men are there for. When I go out for drinks with male friends, we almost always tip the standard % to everyone, regardless of looks or service. I have a feeling men are often frugal and mathematical about it. Most of us are smart enough to know she's just flirting for tips, just doing her job, and that she's not going to go home with us if we leave an extra $20, so there's no ration…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:25 AM
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and its easy to know when you see who the top earners are at an establishment and they're all the hottest youngest girls How do you know that it's men tipping them the most and not women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:15 AM
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You're attractive. Maybe you thought they were tipping you for the service when they were really tipping for looks? I mean, they're tipping for service too, but they might have tipped less to an uglier server with the same quality of service - how would you know?. Experiments show people with inherent privilege (looks,money,etc.) assume they're earning their rewards through talent even when it's intentionally rigged with unfair privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 04:40 AM
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Male shaming Feminists call this "talking".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 04:35 AM
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Fuck this thread. I challenge your face.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 04:14 AM
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Can you quote which dudes you're rebutting? Or have you just constructed a convenient strawman to use as a punching bag?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 12:54 AM
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Men and women are different Tell this to feminists. Do you really think women have the ability to imagine how life is as a man? Again, tell this to feminists. Feminists assume they can both imagine life as a man and understand how men think, as premises. Therefore, they have the moral authority to determine the motivations for male behavior and know when men are motivated by entitlement, rape culture, toxic masculinity, or other phenomena. Most of 4th wave feminism involves women condemning male…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 12:49 AM
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150 years ago, that weirdo villlager's family would arrange a marriage for him. They would try. Still, parents were selective about arranged marriages. If he wasn't rich or high status, it would be difficult to find a father who wanted to give his daughter to the weird ugly man. The father would have to pay a dowry after all. Would you really pay a small fortune to give your daughter to the town loser? She'd have to be quite ugly and old, with no other available suitors. More likely, a poor ince…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 12:31 AM
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Yeah. At least OKCupid had some hope, some opportunity to show personality and message people beyond the photos. Now it's swipe-based.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 12:22 AM
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They don't message immediately. You have to match first. Women swipe right less than 20% of the time, so it's disproportionately the top 20% men. She won't match with everyone, but her matches are limited to the small pool of attractive men she swiped right.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 10:21 PM
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Purple pill. M 33. When I was in college it was very common to see classmates and bar girls use men to get free drinks, free meals, free drugs, free smokes, free rides, help with homework, help with home repair, rebound emotional support. Many attractive young women knew how to use their looks to get what they want - and did.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/18 08:46 PM
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The problem is women don't get to know all men. You don't have the time to give to every man out there. This gives the top 20% attractive men a huge advantage. When picking who to get to know, women are more likely to choose someone they've already found attractive at first glance than someone they're not sure about yet. Dating apps make it even worse. When apps are primarily how men and women meet, your pool of men comes entirely from that 20% visual attraction. Other men never get a first date…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/18 08:30 PM
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Commitment is legally binding. Offers of sex are not. That means trading sex for commitment is not a fair trade. Once you are legally bound with commitment and kids, she can reneg on the sex. Meanwhile, if you feel you're getting a bum deal by age 40 (dead bedrooms), it's hard for you to pull out: kids, mortgage, finances, emotional attachment, family, the law, and other things make separating your lives complicated and expensive. It's much easier (and cheaper) for her to withdraw sex than for y…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/18 08:24 PM
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There's an important practical difference too. You can put in 120% effort and still have no chance at generating arousal from a SPECIFIC woman. If you pick a specific woman, a oneitis, no matter what you do she may never want sex with you. Men who aim to earn sex are often trying to seduce a specific woman, a oneitis rejecting his advances. Even if you get ripped, she may not want you. You can't earn it from her. Lifting, acting dominant, flirting well... what these things do are statistically i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/18 08:00 PM
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Natural ability also varies. The soviet experiment is looking at the negative extreme - isolation leading to lack of average-level social skills. Exposure may help anyone get average-level skills, but not Chad-level skills. Some people have exceptional ability that is inherent (and nurtured through practice, but not attainable to others through practice). Lack of formal education leaves children dumber, but school doesn't turn everyone into geniuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 01:37 PM
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I've noticed men sometimes can have little awareness of who they'd have a chance with. This is actually backwards. It's women who have little awareness of their RMV league, overrating themselves, so they think they're out of the league of most guys approaching them. 20-30 years ago, women who looked like that would have gone out with guys who looked like that. They're looksmatched. The problem is Tinder. Tinder has given average women access to swipes from the top 10% guys in her city. Women sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 01:16 PM
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Dear RP spergers: the Dark Triad reference was a joke. If you read the whole thing, the overall point is clearly that it's much less kind that OP probably thought it was. The kinder thing would have been to break up immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 12:13 PM
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3 months? After 2 years I would understand, but 3 months is still plate-territory. Why? Surely she had her own friends and would have had someone with her through recovery if not you. Was she heartbroken when you left her after recovery? What if YOU and the prospect of love are what got her through her treatment, only to find out it was all bullshit?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 07:49 PM
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Mods, please untag this as "science". There is no real science behind it. It's fake news. At best, it's CMV. No real scientific experiment was done looking at effects of porn use on controlled groups of people. The article compares self-reported survey data from DIFFERENT MEN in DIFFERENT COUNTRIES using DIFFERENT CRITERIA for erectile dysfunction. Then they assume any differences over time would have been due to porn use, even though porn use isn't the only thing that changed. In fact, they mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 07:21 PM
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If she doesn't, that's a great test as to whether she's worth marrying. I wouldn't marry anyone who doesn't demonstrate a desire to stick around. Men shit-test women too, in different ways like this that test loyalty, trustworthiness, nurturing, and other qualities required for marriage. When women complain men never putting a ring on her finger, it's often because she failed such tests and the man can't trust her, so he just sticks to fucking her.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 07:08 PM
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I went from incel to thincel
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 07:02 PM
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I don't think you understand what it is to be depressed anyway. I've battled depression too, more than you know. Do you think I would really be spending any time looking at these subs if I hadn't? Most people posting on the incels sub have. I didn't give up, I went to university, I did sports, I worked out every day, I volunteered, I worked various jobs, I did research, I traveled to remote corners, I joined clubs, I had large amounts of friends, I climbed mountains, I never stopped for years an…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 12:02 PM
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As another high IQ person who found shit always came easy, I'm calling you out on your bullshit. This is incel-level cope. If it was true, why didn't you graduate from med school? Depression wouldn't stop you if it was really that easy. One way people keep holding on to this delusion, that they're too smart for everything and that they could do anything if they tried, is to simply stop trying. Underachieving. That way they never have to confront whether they're actually capable or not, because i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 10:00 PM
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Well right now I am a deadbeat good-for-nothing plague of a human being Why did you let yourself become so low value? If you're actually smart, not just getting millenial self-esteem participation trophies, why not go back to school and get a good job in another field? Research? Biotech? If you were actually that fit, why don't you just workout and keep in shape? Running is free. Swimming is cheap. I think the low-achieving men where more my style Really? You sound like a Type A if you were a to…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 06:24 PM
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For a hookup, personality can make you LESS attractive but not MORE attractive. A hot person can still say something stupidly offensive and cockblock himself. An ugly person is unlikely to charm someone into a ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 06:18 PM
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You dropped out of med school and are depressed now right? Still, if you're that fit and that smart, why are you dating incels and deadbeats?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 02:16 PM
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and in terms of fitness (I was the best in pools larger than 100, larger than 1000 even) Best in what? A particular sport? Fitness competitions?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 01:22 PM
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I'm in the top 1% for height (6'5") and over the top 10% for income (early 30s), with increasing income potential. I hope to hit $400k by mid 40s, but that won't be top 1% by then. I also know I'm in the top 1% in IQ, but that has no bearing on SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 01:06 PM
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Because someone who would make a fake Tinder profile would never photoshop or stage photo evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 12:43 PM
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What is it about what a man can say that you feel makes a woman aroused, lady? If you've never ever been able to talk a woman into arousal, I guess you're not very charismatic. Better hold onto those looks before you fade.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 12:34 PM
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For hookups, rarely. RP wants to get laid, not LTRed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 12:31 PM
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I've never thought about it that way. I just be myself. Does the inherent RMV influence her decision for sex if I fail to hide it? Maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 01:15 PM
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I have low SMV and high RMV, so I play down the RMV traits with FWB (once action has already happened), otherwise they want to lock me down.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 01:10 PM
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Casual sex is the traditional socially-liberal WASP dating scene. There are other Western white people who did not partake in that scene - particularly those with religious and socially-conservative upbringings (Catholics, Mormons, Evangelicals, Jews,..). Historically the religious folks kept to themselves, in small towns and segregated communities, not interacting with the "sinners", raised by their own set of values. Their parents got by living in the same town their whole lives, dating within…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 11:47 AM
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But not all men want to play LoL or other video games either. Only some men do (gamers). If you're a gamer and your friends are gamers, it might seem like all men, but overall it's a minority of the male population. Some men want to get cucked. Ever heard of cuckold fetish? Still, other men don't envy that as a masculine quality. a counterexample of something only men do But gaming isn't something only men do either. You don't have an example, so there's no need for a counterexample. that I igno…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 05:22 AM
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TheNaziPill doesn't view ethnic people as equal SMV. Have you even AltRighted before?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 08:51 PM
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if youre seeing young fat white women youre poor This. In rich circles, white people can afford eating disorder treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 08:50 PM
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But not all men play LoL. If all men get cucked but some men get cucked more than others, does that make getting cucked masculine? They're better at it than other men! You're redefining masculinity as something along the lines of "winning at any competition", even if it doesn't involve demonstration of healthier genes, dominance, or desirable traits. This is different enough from how most define it that you should really be using your own term - like ChinMasculinity - or justifying your alternat…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 08:46 PM
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Anyone can play LoL. Few can be good at it. That doesn't make the few who are good at it more masculine. People who win at things aren't inherently more masculine. Have you seen women competing for clothes at Black Friday and other major discount sales? Very competitive. Not an ounce of masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 01:26 AM
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I think it's often a subconscious strategy. They don't think about it. They just get frustrated and naturally start pulling back or looking around. If he loves her, is comfortable with her, or has legal ties (e.g. marriage), staying together in a lazy relationship may be preferable to leaving her and starting over. Maybe he thinks he can find a new happy equilibrium if he tries less hard too, or finds what he needs on the side. These are essentially the same reasons women pull back or cheat ("he…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 06:09 PM
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OP is a little off base, but the core idea is right. It's a balance between effort and reward, between give and take. After a certain point in an LTR, many man are expected to put in more and more work (than his natural inclination) while he's getting less and less out of the relationship. The relationship becomes more work than satisfaction, not worth it to him. At that point, some men just end the relationship. Others attempt to shift the relationship to a new equilibrium where the balance bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 05:55 PM
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So you agree with RP that feminism is essentially one elaborate shit test?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 12:06 AM
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What would satisfy you? Being dominated? A man who knows how to get you off without you having to tell him anything or initiate anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 12:05 AM
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So relationship wasn't an option... but why was nothing (no sex) not an option? That's the part I'm trying to understand. If you're a relationship person and enjoy committed sex more than hookups, why do the ONS instead of doing nothing? What satisfaction do you get out of it? Did you feel used or coerced?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 09:52 PM
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But if you enjoy the slow buildup to sex more and knew a relationship couldn't happen, why did you bother sleeping with these guys at all? When you found out nothing could happen, why not "next" and move on?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 09:43 PM
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Did you have ONS with other guys? If so, why with those guys? What was different? How did you view those guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 09:23 PM
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Not quite. RP thinks it's OK for men to express anger with each other, and encourage it. Men are supposed to be stoic and use amused mastery, supposedly. RP observes this is what works better with women, which reinforces this notion that it's women who are fundamentally not OK with male anger. Women behave in ways that give feedback to men such that men feel encouraged to suppress negative emotions. If feminists want an end to toxic masculinity, they need to redirect their focus at fellow women …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 07:25 PM
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Why aren't you complaining about that in your OP? Sounds prejudiced.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 07:22 PM
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A man is less likely to marry you if he's not serious about at least trying to raise the kid with you. Marriage also makes it harder for him to just quit and run away if he gets bored. It's not a guarantee, but it reduces the risk a lot. If women waited till marriage to have kids and were careful about birth control otherwise, it would reduce single motherhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 07:12 PM
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Chads are successful and handsome according to you all. That’s basically the definition of a good partner. That's the definition of a desirable partner. However, a successful handsome guy might have 0 desire to raise the child, having affairs, sleeping around, not helping out, not sticking around, leaving you a single mother. Is that a good partner? To avoid single motherhood, a good partner would be someone who will not leave you and will raise the child with you. Being handsome or successful d…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 04:37 AM
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but when it comes to single motherhood it’s suddenly our fault for not branch swinging to a better mate No. They don't hate single mothers because you haven't remarried yet. They're against having the children out of wedlock in the first place. They'd prefer the child didn't exist, not that you replaced the father faster. They prefer women to use birth control and be more selective of a partner before having a child, instead of getting knocked up by Chad (viewed as irresponsible behavior). Women…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 03:44 AM
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I never said those two options were exhaustive. I just referred to two cases in the example given by OP, the thing you replied to. Obviously the optimal case is that she's attracted to you both at the beginning and over time: both lust and love. But in your reply to OP, you said you wouldn't want to be her bf who she wasn't attracted to at first. If it is genuine attraction, the past is irrelevant now. He's in a great position, not BB, and far ahead of the other guy. From my perspective, a guy i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 12:44 AM
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They don't "learn to like you", and it can still be genuine attraction. It's just a slow burn instead of instant fireworks. You ever get enjoyment out of anything slow instead of fast? (e.g. slow music vs fast heavy music, fancy restaurant meal vs fast food, craft beer or bottle of wine vs shooters, movie vs funny YouTube clip, home-cooked feast vs microwave dinner). Sometimes you just want fast, instant gratification. But slow can be very satisfying too, and fast can be satisfying right now but…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 03:12 PM
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I think it's more that men rate male attractiveness statistically rather than in terms of intensity of attraction feelings caused. US males will consider a fat balding man to be 4/10 because 40-50% of adult men are obese. Fat is average. I think women see it as "how hot do I find this guy", not "how does this guy look compared to other guys". OkCupid data confirms that men rate looks on a bell curve distribution while women rate looks with most people being "below average".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/18 03:26 PM
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I mean, this is the dream: applying science/statistics/insight to actually improve your results and actually achieve your goals in a serious/concrete fashion. It's not just a dream. It's what many people have done. For example, some studies show you're more likely to get Tinder swipes with certain poses, with a dog, etc. People use that info to improve their profiles and get more swipes. Businesses use the same kind of analysis to improve their marketing campaigns, target customers, and increase…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 07:16 PM
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I don't read Dalrock's blog, so I'm just going to address the issue in the abstract. Statistics are not useful when you're looking at just one single individual. People differ. But statistics are very useful when looking at large groups of people. When you're in a big city and using a high-volume medium (e.g. dating apps, bars), there are thousands of fish in the sea. The numbers are accurate for most of them, even if not all. For most of the single women you encounter, it'll be true. That means…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 06:51 PM
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You're touching on 2 different points here. Are statistics accurate about the dating market? Does game work for everyone regardless of looks and context? 2 is obviously false, and that's what your discussion with your sister shows. But nothing about the DiCarlo Escalation ladder or kino or this discussion with your sister had to do with statistics-driven gender debates. This is a completely different topic. 1 is asking if generalizations from statistics are accurate. 2 is asking if generalizatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 03:48 PM
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Urbanization, global travel, online dating, the bar scene, and other things have made dating a numbers game. There are just so many fish in the sea. Understanding trends helps because it lets you formulate strategies that are more efficient. They won't work on everyone, but knowing what works more often helps you succeed more often, save time, and filter through the sheer volume of options. It isn't 1950 where you meet a nice girl in your small town or social group and settle down. When there ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 03:41 PM
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First, Sharon's weight is probably concealed by her baggy clothing and that photo angle (ass, belly, hips). She might also have dense bones. Most obese women show it more than she does. Second, re-read my comment and show me where I said BMI > 30 can never find a partner. I just said it's less attractive than slim, not more. Stacey is a bad example of slim because she's unattractive for other reasons (face, style, looks 12 years old), but most slim women are more attractive than Sharon.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 12:53 PM
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clinically-defined obesity is absolutely more attractive than a slim figure You mean clinically-defined "fat" (BMI > 25). Curviness (breasts, hips, ass) is attractive. Clinically-defined "obese" (BMI > 30) is generally less attractive than a slim figure. Most porn stars are not obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 12:16 PM
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Jealousy? Neediness? Emotional needs? Have you, like, met women IRL?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 10:03 PM
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Yeah, I was talking about abnormal emotional discussion too. I didn't accuse you of saying anything about women. I was just taking your point and redirecting it to the OP post content (where it's women claiming this problem is caused by men/patriarchy). Being emotionally unstable/dependent is not gender specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 12:31 PM
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I think it's equally unfair to blame men for being weak when in reality they just don't have a lot of support. It's also unfair to blame men seeing as women can still do this to their bfs/husbands even if they have outside support too. Some women love to play the victim, the damsel in distress, the drama queen.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 12:07 PM
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I just don't understand in general why the guys on this sub care SO much about where 'men' stand as a whole. It's a debate sub. That was the topic of debate. Either debate it, or go troll some other posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 07:57 PM
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The issue is not that you'll be the cuck paying for her stupidity. It's that overall as a society, women with problems have more cushions to help them out with men with those same problems do. OP was asking why there are differences in rates for men and women. My answer explains why. If your response is "I don't care, I ain't that cuck", you've just gone way off topic from the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 07:53 PM
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More men are stupid as fuck Blatant misandry. I hate pulling the misandry card (it's overused by whiny internet trolls) but there's really no other way to interpret a statement like that. Wait where do you get this idea women have more support? Depends on the problem. Female victims of domestic violence have far more supports available than male victims. Female victims of sexual assault and sexual harassment also have way more support than male victims. Male victims of both types are often dismi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 07:43 PM
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The thing with low-mid depression especially is that sadly a few pills with a 10 min chat and 'come back in two weeks/then every other month' and perhaps a short course of counselling is the best you're going to get In my anecdotal case, I wasn't talking about just "low". Yes, meds are all a medical doctor is going to give, because a doctor's job is to write scripts for pills. That's the limit of their scope. It doesn't mean it's the best solution. It's all a medical doctor can do, just like how…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 07:28 PM
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but generally you go to your doctor (GP, family doctor, etc.) if you are experiencing the symptoms of depression. Generally they can provide some treatment (meds). Meds are one of the least effective treatments for depression, especially administered without careful followups and counselling. Meds, without follow-up or other supports, can even increase suicidal tendencies. I was once referred onto a therapy service, and it also supported men That's great. These are rarer though. Depends where yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 06:25 PM
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less likely to approach services Because there are fewer services for men at all, and less enthusiasm to help men. I tried approaching and most turned me away, yet I know so many women who made some melodramatic comment and were instantly surrounded by hundreds of supporters. less likely to talk about their problems than women Women are less likely to sympathize with male problems (OMG emotional labour, you misogynist!) than female problems. Since women tend to be better at empathy and communica…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 05:55 PM
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Men commit suicide at a much higher rate than women - especially when you take into consideration young men with no history of mental illness. Because female victims have more supports Men make up most of the homeless. Because female victims have more supports Men die earlier. Self-inflicted, not prejudice. Men die young more often from our own doing: suicide, vehicle accidents from riskier driving, drug overdoses, alcoholism, sports accidents, war, gangs, fights. Men take more risks. Men also h…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 05:45 PM
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Just had to ask, given the stereotypical Wall Street culture
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 11:38 PM
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Duke is where Tucker Max went, if that adds any context to the abundance of sluts. It's also where that famous amateur porn star went.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 11:25 PM
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You have before you a white 29 year old woman with a master's degree who works in PR in downtown New York, where she's lived and worked since getting out of college at Duke. Slut? Not a slut? Huge slut. IncelCross, have you even met girls from Duke? And hot white 20-something in Manhattan with low n count? LOLOLOL
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 10:59 PM
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So by your prejudicial argument there are no reasonable rational women here either? Because such people wouldn't be on PPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 10:05 PM
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In their basements on reddit, not approaching women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 06:13 PM
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It's easier imo to try to occasionally imagine yourself in someone else's shoes than to try to remember a long list of dos and don'ts. It's easier (i.e. less effort) but less accurate (more likely to go wrong). It only works if the other person would feel and react the same way in those shoes. For example, a guy ignoring "no" twice in a public space (but otherwise making no explicit threats) makes you feel threatened, fear physical harm, potential rape. A big guy staring me in the face, chest pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 01:23 AM
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imagine the guy doesn't get out of your space when you lean away from him. You thank him for the offer but say you can buy your own drink. He orders one for you anyway and sits next to you and you brush his hand off your thigh and say 'No thanks, I have a boyfriend.'.... I'm trying, but I just see myself saying something like "be careful bro, you're on the herpes sore and it's oozing like a motherfucker". I've had more than a few bar confrontations with drunk assholes. A lot of huffing and puffi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/18 11:00 PM
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Thanks for engaging. The thing to know is that if a woman feels the man is potentially dangerous, he's creepy. If she doesn't, he's fine. We all get vibes from people. Yeah, the point of my comment was to ask about what behaviors, comments and body language from men give off that dangerous/creepy vibe. A good guideline: imagine a masculine gay guy who's strong and significantly larger than you Two problems with this. One, personally I'm 6'5", so I have a hard time picturing this in the first pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/18 08:06 PM
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I think you hit on a very important nuance here. But I'm curious how women, who are not mindreaders anymore than redpillers, can differentiate between the two? You don't actually observe whether he's viewing you as prey or an object to claim (that happens inside his mind, which you cannot see). You observe his body language and mannerisms and draw inferences from that. What body language, behaviors, mannerisms and words show you he's being creepy? Which ones show you he's just giving harmless po…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/18 03:15 PM
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If you define 'it works' as in 'it leads to a happy and fulfilled relationship' If you define "eros_bittersweet" as "wrong", then you are wrong. It's funny how making up your own definitions makes it so easy to make your point. If you spend more than 2 minutes actually reading RP before debating it, it's obvious TRP followers DO NOT define "it works" as "leads to happy and fulfilled relationship". They aren't interested in that outcome! They don't want relationships. They want plates. They don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/18 12:17 AM
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I didn’t realise men were taught that all you needed to do was get an education and a good job and ignore your fitness and women would follow...I thought it was common sense that being reasonably attractive always played in your favour. A lot of us were told growing up that looks don't matter, that looks are superficial and what's inside is what counts. A lot of us were told that even if we were losers in high school and never had a single date, if we just buttoned down and worked hard in colleg…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/18 02:12 AM
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You sound like you got a good education and a good job - did you do all that just to get women? I don’t get it. I imagine what he's feeling is that the good job and education overall make him less happy than women would. Ideally, most men would love to have a good job, education AND women. But if you can't have everything in life, he would rather give up the job and education and use that time and energy to be ripped and attractive to women. Unfortunately nobody taught boys this growing up. Many…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/18 07:02 PM
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Think of one of the demographics that voted for Trump: uneducated middle-aged white men worried about immigrants taking their jobs. These men might be concerned about young college grads having higher long-term income potential (and more hair and muscle and sexual endurance) than themselves. Still, those young high-earning 20-somethings aren't marrying 40 year old single moms.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/18 06:53 PM
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You autists are so black and white about this. Autism will do that, I guess. Your argument depends on this there is no attachment between the child and him yet you even admit yourself that the biological reality is this He releases less oxytocin Less means not as much as the mother, but not none. In your eyes it's either mother-level bonding or 0 bond formed? Otherwise there is an attachment with the child. Another problem with your argument: You are a mother with a child, your primary source of…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/18 06:47 PM
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Huge misreading on your part. Where did I say that redpillers want sluts, or anything about redpillers at all? I think you replied to the wrong comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/18 05:44 PM
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He does when other messages are saying "female body positivity", "I like dadbod", "looks don't matter", "50% of America is obese" (implying the average woman is also fat and should be OK with it). Why not be direct? Let's reframe the question. What value is there is saying the words "Just Be Yourself" instead of just saying nothing. Or just farting. What value added is there? What's the point in even saying it? To hear yourself speak and feel smugly self-satisfied that you helped someone, even t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/18 02:12 PM
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Q4ALL: How did the "Be Yourself" stuff get started, anyway? What is the origin of this? Around the 70s and 80s, a bunch of stoned university-educated hippies thought that low self-esteem was the cause of crime and lack of achievement and other social issues, so they completely reformed parenting and schooling into a Self Esteem movement telling everyone they're special pretty little flowers who are perfect just as they are. "Be Yourself" was part of that. Now, a few decades later, society has cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/18 01:57 PM
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That depends on how good you are with directions. I've never once gotten lost in a brand new place. If one road doesn't work as expected, I can usually guess another way to get to that rough area. If I still can't find where I want to go, at the very worst I know how to get back to where I started from. Lol maps and signage. I direct myself on long hiking excursions in the woods.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/18 01:08 PM
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So it's not that you crave nastier sex acts that you don't crave with betas. It's just that you respect his leadership more and are more likely to say yes to other things to please him because you know he is high value?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/18 12:15 AM
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But the clit only points to magnetic Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/18 11:50 PM
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Ok. Just trying to understand. For you the options are: A) Sexual attraction only B) Both sexual and romantic attratcion C) Neither attraction What does the romance stuff make you want to do? If you see these traits in a guy before you've felt sexual attraction, what is the result? Someone you want to be a friend with?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/18 08:17 PM
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If you feel this "LTR love" instead of lust, does that change your behavior in the bedroom? Does it change the frequency of your sex drive? Or openness to sexual positions and experimentation? I think what men are most interested in is this: how do these different internal FEELINGS translate into different BEHAVIORS.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/18 08:12 PM
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When you experience romantic attraction, is there still that openness to fucking later (even if not an immediate feeling of sexual excitement)? If not, what else is it? A desire to spend time together? Is it similar to familial love? If you see traits that inspire romantic interest, what is your hope/goal? What do you want to happen next? You've made these things clear for sexual interest, but I am wondering what the analogs are for romantic interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/18 08:10 PM
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Have you? I'm nonwhite you moron. I said "not as racist". Some are racist too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/18 07:54 PM
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Lol I do this for my partners and friends. It does tend to be women lost and asking for directions. Also effeminate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/18 07:33 PM
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that time I walked 1000 But would you walk 500 more?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/18 07:51 PM
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IRL people are embarassed to talk about it. But if you look at their behavior, who they flirt with, who they show interest in, who they choose to date, their behavior in OLD apps, it all shows looks matter a lot. There's just taboo to talk about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/18 07:38 PM
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Do you think if all men lowered their standards for casual sex, there wouldn't still be an oversupply of men on the SMP? Some more men would get laid, but on the whole there would still be a huge oversupply. I tend to assume the difference is at least in part due to slightly less interest in casual sex from women, not to men's high standards. Agreed. Less interest from women, or more conditional interest. Many women are interested in casual sex under certain specific conditions only. Due to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 07:05 PM
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Oh, yeah. Maybe. I'm not getting 10/10s, but they're not awful either. Guess that's the definition of mediocrity. The problem is that with a cold approach to a stranger during the day, you don't know if she's high quality. You don't know anything about her. You may waste all your effort hitting on low quality women only to wind up fired, with a criminal record, and on the sex offender registry without ever meeting a high quality woman! If I had some way to pre-screen women in advance so I knew w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/18 09:57 PM
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You mean mediocre in terms of quality of women, or because you assume I'm terrified to take any risks in any other area of my life?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/18 09:14 PM
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So stop listening to them...? Why? They have strong influence over legislation / HR policy / other consequences. Sticking my head in the sand doesn't change the consequences. What matters is that OTHER PEOPLE listening to them have the power to ruin my life, and I don't want my life ruined. You're asking for a sure thing and to be honest that doesn't really exist in any facet of life. I'm not asking for a sure date. I couldn't give a shit about rejection. I'm asking for assurances that Big Broth…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/18 08:45 PM
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We are paranoid because feminists keep bombaring us EVERYWHERE with messages about unwanted workplace harassment, unwanted street harassment, unwanted catcalling, unwanted sexualization, unwanted male attention, male gaze, you name it. We heard it dozens of times a week: "leave us alone". Why are women surprised when men react by leaving them alone? Since a lot of this stuff ends up being highly subjective and varies depending on the woman and the attractiveness/likability of the approaching man…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/18 03:43 PM
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I heard lots of references, jokes and discussion about jerking off in fiction/tv/movies and school growing up but no mention of girls doing it. Oh, you mean when YOU were growing up. I thought you said "historically". Like I said, that was the brief window between the decline of religion and modern feminism. When religious taboo declined, it became OK for men to joke about jerking off, but women still didn't talk about masturbation. That was a relatively brief period of history though. For like …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/18 12:59 PM
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Historically women’s masturbation has been more taboo though Are you talking about the very brief period in history between the decline of religion and women's lib? Because tradional values and religion shamed men pretty hard for masturbation too. Going blind, turning your palms hair, sin, etc..
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 11:20 PM
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I said dildo first, as I am primarily talking about replacement dick. I said "slash vibrator" because some of them also vibrate, but not to imply that they are the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 11:16 PM
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Would you say "you go boy!" about fleshlights? Or even just jerking off to porn?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 08:44 PM
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while I constantly see men talking about how sex dolls are superior to women and how they will replace us all. This is a tiny minority of men saying that. Only very few men even own sex dolls. You may spend too much time on corners of the internet where those men live, but that doesn't mean they're a large group. There are also tiny minorities of women saying ridiculous things. If you cherry pick the worst cases, you will always see weird shit. "I don't see women boasting" doesn't deny those wei…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 08:37 PM
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Most women who voice opinions on sex dolls consider them creepy. But fucking a plastic replacement for a human is literally what a dildo/vibrator is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 08:29 PM
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A lot of studies like to try to compare men vs women, forcing the difference to be due to gender (look women are worse off again!). Studies also show that depressed and neurotic people tend to blame themselves while confident people are more likely to attribute it to external forces. Depressed men would then certainly blame themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 04:27 AM
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I will say I think men tend to blame externalities rather than internally versus women. I disagree. I think most men blame themselves: for lack of looks, lack of game, lack of status. Look at the huge market for male self-improvement dating advice, the Red Pill community, and so on. It's driven by men thinking the problem is internal and wanting to fix it. Men may also lash out in frustration ("women are the problem, wanting AF/BB and caring about looks"). But at the end of the day, they're lash…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 02:22 AM
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In my experience a lot of young women lack this kind of self-awareness. When asked, they'll say what they've been told to think, but that may not be what they do. There's also a hivemind issue. When young women don't know themselves and their relationship needs well enough, they don't know how to choose a guy, so they tend to defer to popular opinion: "is this guy considered cool? is this guy considered hot? OK!" Too many times I've seen young girls at clubs check with their friends "is this guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 02:10 AM
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So when you were in that depressed phase, why did you feel you "owed" it to those guys not other guys (surely there were also other unwanted casual sex offers)? What about the guys and the situation made you feel that way? Were they close friends? Was it that no one else was nice to you? Were they hot at all? This was pre-Tinder, right? Maybe looks didn't matter. Now that dating apps are the primary source of casual sex, looks are the biggest factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/18 04:13 PM
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Well I don’t think they are a “huge majority” but I do think it’s more common now. Most women don't regularly enjoy casual sex, but a majority of young non-religious women go through at least one "casual sex phase". They get curious. Relationships meant heartbreak and pain. Her one friend loves casual sex and keeps telling her she should let loose and try it. Guys are constantly asking for it. Tinder sounds fun to try. After a string of bad experiences, most end up deciding casual sex is not for…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/18 03:49 PM
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Yes, some women are ugly. You disagreed with him that men would be interested regardless. Men are still interested in skinny ugly women. Not as many men and not 9/10 men, but still many men. it's not a desperate thirsty guy reluctantly agreeing to use you for sex while never being nice to you You assume men only do this to you because you're ugly. Men do it to hot girls all the time too. This is just men being shitty, not men losing interest because of some ugly features.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/18 01:41 AM
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Then you said Well just having an overall square shape with computer neck is instantly killing male interest. This is why I replied to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/18 01:34 AM
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I think you're focusing too much on that statement about high n count. The thread title and overall jist of the post seems to be "if you're wondering why aren't men appreciating your high value, you're not as high value as you think you are". It's the same entitlement bullshit that NiceGuys have.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/18 01:14 AM
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Not to attract in general, but for the effect the OP is talking about (where looks are lacking but attraction grows over time). To attract women for ONS with status, you don't need to BE stable in those ways, just to project indicators of that stability (i.e. fake it, because women can't tell the difference short-term).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/18 01:07 AM
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If you yourself are yellow and you move to green only .0000001% of the time, that doesn't mean other male yellows move to green only .0000001% of the time. That's just your own rate. If your conversion rate is that low, maybe there's something anomalous at work that kills it for you each time: red flags, bad personality, poor social calibration.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/18 01:05 AM
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Then you weren't yellow. You were red the whole time. Or you were yelllow but lack the social skills most yellows have to move up. Most of my female friends in LTRs admit that they wouldn't have swiped on their current partners on a dating app (some even had the opportunity to go back and see the guys' old profiles and confirm "no fucking way"). But they met IRL, found the guys attractive, and started dating. These are classic yellows. Not hot enough from the photo but hot enough as the full pac…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/18 01:01 AM
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Yeah, but these guys don't have social skills so it seems like "Game" and manipulative tactics to them. Whatever works.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/18 12:58 AM
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You mean TRP are blackpill garbage. Half of them are incels. They don't have girls into them, otherwise they wouldn't have joined TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/18 12:56 AM
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Game is just an autistic PUA way of phrasing what OP already said: "he indicated strong interest in me, was nice to me, and seemed to have a compatible personality" ... "I feel comfortable with and loved by" Status covers "emotionally/ mentally and financially stable guy"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/18 12:53 AM
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Who decided that these guys are "high quality" men? The "high quality" women are. The post is about women who declare themselves high quality but can't find guys meeting their checklist of desired qualities and can't figure out why, because they're such a catch. The high quality men are whichever men they want and aren't getting (not necessarily TRP guys or the guys writing the post).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/18 12:41 AM
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Still, the most pertinent part of your argument is that YOU decide what makes the man high value, not the man. By the same token, MEN decide what makes women high value, not women. That's OP's point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/18 12:35 AM
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Women never wear make-up, wear push-up bras, use strategic photo angles and filters, lie about their weight, play hard to get, put out early to keep a man's interest, laugh at jokes that aren't funny, follow advice from Cosmo, or do anything else for any strategic purpose in dating. It just happens!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 05:10 PM
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Oh ok so by "super attractive" you don't just mean 10/10 looks (model-tier), just reasonably attractive but also high socioeconomic status (i.e. prime marriage material).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 04:07 PM
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It sounds like she herself was an immature person who hadn’t really thought things out clearly I think her point is that modern feminism often encourages women to think about these issues in infantile ways, which can lead to warped beliefs like she held going unchallenged (because challenging them makes you a misogynist!). The gender politics debate is very polarized. They don't encourage gray area discourse. Look how quickly she was painted a misogynist for saying "hey let's try listening to pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 02:05 AM
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This persistence of pushing that the wage gap is primarily due to gendered discrimination is really unhinged from reality. It is factually untrue and not supported by any data. Yet it is not only pushed by feminists but was officially endorsed by the Obama government as a proven fact. I think the point of the video is more that Cassie Jaye simply didn't consider that she might not be in such a relationship. As she said in another vid - she was constantly running around with a chip on her shoulde…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 01:22 AM
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No "game" procedure. No need to make her agree. Often she initiates. Or I sense there's chemistry, I ask in subtext and she enthusiastically says yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/18 02:47 AM
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Try "I don't want to have sex tonight. I'm leaving now, but text me later for a daytime date". You can always hang out and get to know each other on another day.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 10:13 PM
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Yes. If you mean "no", say it and then get up and walk away. Perhaps women fear that if they leave they will get beaten and assaulted. But statistically she's far more likely to get "assaulted" if she doesn't leave and the guy thinks there's still a chance. The vast majority of men will not beat and rape a woman for just saying "no" and walking away (and as for the ones who would, well she was SOL either way, so there's still no harm in saying no and leaving).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 10:03 PM
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Simple. Read the OP. OP's logic is Most men are lousy lays>>casual sex would likely not be worth the effort>>serial monogamy and LTRs have a better return>>not many men are compatible with me>>less men to consider>>less sexual partners overall But most women are good lays, so for men casual sex is worth the effort, that chain of logic doesn't follow, and therefore it's not really any kinder to yourself to keep n low.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 04:02 AM
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Includes all work in the home, including yardwork and repairs (otherwise men would be far lower). It also includes childcare.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/18 10:40 PM
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Well this is bullshit. It's even unfair for single men, not just a gender wage discrepancy. Like I said, exceptions exist. But those practices are the exception, not the rule. Most companies don't pay men extra for having kids if they could pay less to keep someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/18 05:20 PM
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It could be. But the sub's primary purpose is to arm men to be prepared for the negative sides of female nature so they aren't caught off guard and hurt by it. Discussing the good traits doesn't help inexperienced men learn to protect themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/18 04:17 PM
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From an evolutionary POV it makes sense. From an evolutionary POV beta bux makes sense (strategically manipulating the man for his resources), but not sexual attraction to him. In prehistoric times you have a 3rd choice. Lock down a man with resources. Get knocked up by Chad while he is off providing. Have him use his superior resources to unknowingly raise Chad's offspring, which has superior genes (higher chance of surviving). Evolution never needed to select for sexual attraction to high SES …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/18 03:28 PM
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Did I say you couldn't find a boyfriend? I said would probably put more effort into relationships More effort = not treating you like shit. I didn't say unemployed. Have you dated any employed immigrants? EDIT: One of them was Peruvian and unemployed. I was in med school. Just to give you an idea of how far I was already willing to date down. I wasn't exactly classist. Your attitude describing this is like a textbook definition of classism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/18 08:51 AM
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Good for you OP. I wish more women thought this way. What makes low n count attractive in LTR partners (other than less disease and possible jealousy issues) is the very reasoning you're using, the fact that you value yourself enough to be kind to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/18 08:47 AM
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But if they want LTR, what's the point in sex with Chads?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/18 08:45 AM
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Do you have evidence or a source for your claim that women don't stay with abusive men as long as they do with "nice guys"? Let's divide men into 3 categories: 1) Abusive men 2) "NiceGuys TM" 3) non-abusive men who are also not "NiceGuys TM" If you look at any studies on divorces and the success of long-term marriages, it's clear women stay with men in group 3 (non-abusive) longer than men in group 1 (abusive). Here's where the confusion arises. NiceGuys look at group 1 (abusive), see them getti…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/18 07:42 AM
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No OP acknowledged a minority of men (players, ONS-seekers) care a lot about looks. Those men would have ignored you. Were those the only men you wanted? 2 is the reason the others didn't date you. You either didn't notice them or they were too shy to speak up but liked you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/18 06:46 AM
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Teenagers are shy and awkward. They probably crushed on you, just too scared to do anything. Did you stay nice after high school and still have no boyfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/18 06:44 AM
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I'm sorry this was your experience, but this isn't normal. This is called erectile dysfunction. He's insisting on sex at certain times only because he's PHYSICALLY INCAPABLE of sex at other times. This is a medical or hormonal problem he has, probably caused by abusing porn and weed. This is not a result of 3/10 men undervaluing 5/10 women. Most men do not do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 08:34 PM
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It's never hard to get a boyfriend. It is hard to get a girlfriend though. Doesn't that prove there is a difference? Outside of reddit, young guys don't worry that women are scarce. Actually MOST single guys I know IRL worry about this, ranging from ugly to above-average. Not virgins or incels. Just average guys. You believing this is isolated to a minority on reddit confirms that low-tier men are just invisible to women IRL. These men are common IRL too. If you don't realize it, then like most …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 08:26 PM
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The context doesn't help. It was one day. You asked him to wait. He did stuff to kill time. You asked later. He was too tired for sex. So what? If someone's wife does that, most men call it "Tuesday". If you're not prepared to hear "no" to sex at least 30% of the time (tired, inconvenient timing, stressed, other plans) without taking any offense to it, you're much more entitled than the average male.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 08:15 PM
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That's my point though. OP claims ugly women are unlovable. No, they are lovable. They get deprived of love only because they insist on aspiring to men out of their league, who don't value them as highly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 07:23 PM
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Unlovable is relative. They're still getting sex and LTR. It may not be the Prince Charming romance dream she wants, but it's a step above no LTR and no sex and no affection. That's what bottom-tier men get. Nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 01:41 PM
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I would not ignore you. Many lower value males I know wouldn't ignore you. But when the guys you're interested in all ignore you, it's easy to perceive that everyone is. Even in movies, the most common Plain Jane trope is some girl who doesn't attract any of the hot guys and is a social outcast, but she usually has some male "niceguy" friend fawning over her. She just has no interest in him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 05:32 AM
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What I meant is that $150k+ represents maybe 10% of America (so if you subtract the upper class and elites, even less). If that is OP's understanding of "upper middle class", it's quite far from the middle. People earning 90k are not "lower middle class" by most reasonable standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 11:49 PM
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You can if you want, but then I'm not a guy who claims to know that but still can't get laid Neither am I. Why the strawman? I'm just observing interesting psychological phenomenon that's apparently hitting a little too close to home for you so you're drilling down into statistics to hide your discomfort at, for lack of a better word, being revealed as small fish in a big pond and being bitter about it. You're misreading the situation. If you bothered to read my response to your OP questions, I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 10:59 PM
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Well, without getting into statistics that only work in specific areas Then list a statistic specific to an area. Pick a city. In that city what would you consider "upper middle" vs "lower middle" there, and could those "upper middle" people comfortable afford private daycare at these elite schools in that city? Yes 150k in SF is very different than 150k in the midwest. But I think whatever concept you have in your head of "upper middle" is the top 20%, possibly even the top 10%, and not very "m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 10:44 PM
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If you did a proper survey of reddit users and even TRP, you'd find this was not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 10:38 PM
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How many TRPs rent vs own? Own How many TRPs have Bachelor’s Degrees? Bachelor's and Master's. STEM. Do your parents have degrees? In what? Yes. Both accountants. How many TRPs earn less than 100K a year? Just over 100k. Do TRPs live in Urban areas or the suburbs? Urban What’s the average level of education of the women you’re meeting? On average Master's. Some PhD, some in law school. Do their parents have degrees? In what? Too many different cases to list. But most were educated and upper midd…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 10:32 PM
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Define "lower middle class" and "upper middle class" with numbers. If upper middle class is > $150k household income, even including all the millionaires and billionaires that's less than 10% of America. The actual "middle" of the distribution is more like the $30k-100k range, who cannot afford these pricey daycare options. Look up US Census statistics. I think you have a really fucked up perception of what is "middle" in the US, maybe lucky to only know people with privilege and wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 10:20 PM
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TRPs seem like they might be hovering below that line, or in some cases well below that line. So these are men on the lower end of the SES spectrum, with let’s say a bachelor’s degree in most cases, some grad school, maybe. Wait, you think having a bachelor's degree is the bottom end of the SES spectrum? Do you have any idea how poor half of America is? Less than 50% of Americans have a college degree. Median income for male full-time workers is $40k. Median household income is under $60k.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 10:16 PM
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You need to learn reading context. The conversation was about black single welfare moms. Someone asked how welfare could be preferred to a man, if it was because the American men available as an alternative are shittier. My reply stated that yes the men in America (who are available to most black single welfare moms) are shittier and welfare is often preferred. Do I also need to specify "living men" so you know I'm not talking about corpses? What about "under age 65" so you know I'm not talking …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 03:24 PM
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Just the broke-ass ones, bottom 25% or so, the men black welfare moms would be dating. I'm talking about the topic of discussion, not generalizing to ALL MEN EVERYWHERE. Don't be a derp.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 04:47 AM
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A banana is also not a sexuality. It's a banana. Why is her statement racism though, instead of a sexual preference?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 04:11 AM
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saying "I am not going to consider any other races of people as potential partners" is definitely pointing to the possibility of racism. Would you consider any other genders of people as potential partners, or just one? That is definitely pointing to the possibility of sexism. Men wouldn't even need RP if they stopped being misandrists and just fucked other men. The whole SMP would resolve itself and 99% of incels and cucks would be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 12:27 AM
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Are American men such shitty all around partners that struggling to make ends meet with your kids alone is a preferable option to being married? American men are shitty. Plus a lot of Americans are underqualified and only earn minimum wage. Collecting welfare can be better than scraping by off minimum wage while dealing with work stress and marital difficulties.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 12:14 AM
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Dating preference is not racism, just you wanting to fuck women and not men is not sexism against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 12:10 AM
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To some people, sexuality and gender roles are a sole factor of cultural programming. That's because the Post Modernists in academia are brainwashing all the liberal arts drones to believe EVERYTHING is solely a product of cultural programming. This denies the reality of biology. They're looking at the world in terms of how it subjectively feels to them, not trying to understand what is objectively out there in the real world. And if you take enough hallucinogens and stick your head in the sand,…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 10:42 PM
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I have never, never, never, in my life heard men privately outright praise women on how "kind" they are. How often are you privy to mens' private conversations? Though I don't agree with this guy's concept of respect at all, I have praised many women for their kindness and nurturing nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 02:48 PM
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So in your ideal, in a respectful relationship, you worship m'lady? Does she also worship you, or does the reciprocrated respect from female to male show a different form? I think it's interesting you've concluded women should be venerated because Mary is called the Venerable Mother. Yes Catholics worship her, but they also worship Jesus (male) and God. So does that mean we should worship both the feminine and the masculine? Or is more likely the worship and veneration is related to their "Holy"…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 02:45 PM
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Yeah of course. When men exhibit the types of "kindness" you described, the feminine ones, they usually display low self-worth, lack of assertiveness, or passive choices. But those aren't the only ways to be kind. Men then falsely conclude that being kind was the issue (don't be a niceguy, be an asshole), not that being a passive pushover was the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 11:38 PM
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My husband and I dated before having sex. In what year? This worked in the past, but I think dating apps have changed everything. Too much competition. Can't afford to waste time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 11:05 PM
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Unmarried. In fact 58% of these "single mothers" were just unmarried but living with the father. I think this has a lot more to say about the decline of religion than hypergamous behavior. Most are still in committed, cohabiting LTRs with the father, not knocked up by Chad. They just didn't have a formal marriage before the baby. The report comments about how being unwed makes the parental situation less "stable". But given how short marriages last today, having a priest tie the knot doesn't rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 09:54 PM
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Who said giving an incel sex? I'm talking about even ANY level of romantic or sexual interest or affection. You haven’t done a fat woman a favor by just hooking up with her. I went on multiple dates with some and at least gave them a chance. That's all you can do. I didn't marry them, but I didn't marry other hotties either. Taking them on dates and treating them as equals is a hell of a lot better than KHHV incels get.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 04:50 AM
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Glad to hear you tried friendship. Anything romantic?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 12:04 AM
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online friends is very different from romantic or sexual affection did you even ever hang out with him IRL ?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 09:15 PM
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versus reviling in the unhappiness/misfortune of half the population This is a predominantly male reaction, due to higher testosterone (aggression) and more left-brained thinkers. Men get upset and wage wars. Women get upset and bitch to their friends. Women are better at not channeling negative energy into hurting others.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 07:28 PM
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If you compare the two situations, incels seem worse off, and I feel more pity for them. I think the universal sentiment is that we were invisible. I know I was ignored, overlooked, etc, for my skinnier friends. Incel-level men are either also invisible or worse: publicly mocked and bullied for their looks by both men and women. When boys asked the girls over, I was asked to wait outside on the steps. And I did, for hours at times. I made it out that I'd prefer to anyway, to save face. That soun…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 07:24 PM
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Sometimes the woman just wants a ONS too, in which case both parties are happy. But this discussion was about the case where women are trying to snag a high value man for LTR. In that case, the woman doesn't just want sex too, she wants to keep the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 03:32 PM
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Be the best you can be but also don't put out early. If you have other things to offer besides sex, he'll stay for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 09:34 PM
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then take the remaining 15% of men that will respond to you that all the other women are chasing All the women are NOT chasing the remaining 15% of men. The remaining men typically have no other prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 03:00 PM
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That's the point. They didn't enjoy her company. They just enjoyed having some vagina to get off in. If they can find equal enjoyment in other random vaginas, why wouldn't they keep pursuing other random vaginas?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 02:57 PM
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now every women is told that in order to be fulfilled they have to do the things a man does and achieve the male version of success. Unfortunately this is because some of the most influential ones are lesbians and bisexuals, women who are more naturally inclined to want to take on "male" roles than the average cishetero woman. Just because a high-sex drive bi-woman wants to fuck around doesn't mean everyone else should.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 01:30 PM
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This says it all. Women falsely attribute waiting to put out as the reason the hot guy left. If you had put out on the first date, he would have left even earlier. He was never interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 01:27 PM
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The first message is what feminists generally say, they don't claim there's something wrong with you if you don't like casual sex. Depends who you listen to. There are a lot of women advocating for women to "test guys out" or have a "slutty phase" to figure out what she likes in guys and in bed and get to know herself better. Women often try this only to realize it's not for them and ending up in uncomfortable situations with bad sex, feelings hurt, or borderline assault. They're being influence…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 12:55 PM
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There's money in appealing to all the dumb fat middle-Americans.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 09:47 PM
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If someone is fat and ugly on the outside chances are they are stupid on the inside, make starbucks barista money, This is why I date attractive women with master's degrees. All this shit is correlated. Better genes, higher income, less chance of getting obese, making smarter life choices, all of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 09:45 PM
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Yes. That's the rational choice. Not any rando. But her degree doesn't have a big effect on the quality of sex in a ONS. It does affect LTR/marriage-relevant things: career prospects, income, goals, work ethic, values, conversation, compatible friends and family. Also what makes you think "a degree" is a "high level of education"? At least 2 degrees or a professional designation. None of this BA bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 07:59 PM
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I agree but OP was asking about marriage/LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 07:46 PM
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Career does matter. Where's this AMALT bullshit coming from? My mother was a 6-figure earning professional and involved in the community. I won't consider an LTR with anyone without both a high level of education and a successful career. For casual sex it matters less, but education strongly preferred.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/18 06:52 PM
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Try it and see what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 11:54 PM
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If you read r/NiceGuys and similar stuff, "nice guy" is defined by the guy's immature reaction to her rejection, not just the friendship or rejection itself. Say an ugly guy befriended a girl, got close, then eventually confessed feelings and she turned him down (for ugliness) under the pretense of "you're a nice guy but...". If the guy just said "that hurts but I respect your choice and I hope you find someone that makes you happy", then moved on and left her alone, he would not be categorized …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 05:21 PM
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There's middle ground. You can be direct about your intentions without being crude: "I like you", "I have feelings for you", "would you like to go on a date sometime?"... Men have done this for dozens of years. It's not hard. Also, a "niceguy" isn't just someone who starts off as friends to test the waters. It's someone who starts off as friends, makes an advance, then gets pissy that she rejected his advance despite all the friendship stuff he did or makes some butthurt comment about how women …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 12:30 PM
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You seem misinformed on how STIs work. You can get STIs from having protected sex. It doesn't even have to be casual sex. It could be LTR protected relationship sex with a high n woman, not just unprotected casual sex. Condoms reduce the risk, especially with certain diseases (gonnorhea, chlamydia, HIV, Hep C), but others are still very communicable even with regular condom use and no visual signs present on her (herpes, HPV, syphilis, chancroid, crabs, scabies). Then there are the rarer ones do…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 12:03 PM
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But of course we shall just ignore that and never criticise men for a high n count. Nobody said that. In fact, this entire OP topic is about criticizing men for loose standards and promiscuity. But let's not ignore that the effects are stronger in women. And frankly most of these studies are actually horrendous at looking at other factors which contribute to an unhappy marriage. Overall unhappiness in marriage is difficult to nail down due to complex interacting factors. The correlation with her…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 04:09 PM
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High n is subjective and frankly effects both men and women, which a lot of people love to ignore. It's not subjective in those studies. They break it into clearly defined categories. Several also show the effect is stronger with women than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 04:03 PM
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If you bothered to read, some of those studies openly acknowledge that they're correlational and that perhaps there's a reverse causation. Either way, high n is a red flag. Whether high n makes them bad partners or being bad partners leads them to have high n, as long as the correlation is strong you don't want to be with her either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 03:54 PM
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i don't care if men don't want to be with high n women, especially given the feelings expressed above. So you're OK with men thinking of and referring to high n women as gross, etc. or that her behavior is mayyybe forgivable if she was young and dumb, but probably not. Though not a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 12:48 PM
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A big chunk of Donald Trump voters are Redpilled, if that says anything about widespread numbers in the US
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 12:42 PM
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And even then they probably still do it in secret anyway. This. We hear about their marriage and monogamy because we're seeing the fruits of carefully-managed PR efforts. Who knows what really happens in their bedrooms.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/18 10:19 PM
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Like some random non-famous guy who is just very good-looking. He could have no LTRs until he's 35 without anybody judging him. What could motivate him to enter a monogamous LTR in his early twenties? I think they do. And have many motives. I already answered the OP directly in another comment, as have others. This comment was just to say the discussion on celebs is misleading. Prince William and Prince Harry could slay if they wanted to, but it would cause royal scandals. It's smarter for them …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/18 10:17 PM
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This. Not all pussy is good pussy. Some sex is better than others. Having access to a larger number isn't always a net win in quality of sex. Or quantity. Being a bachelor requires more time commitment, schedule-juggling, and putting up with flakiness and other wild cards (investment per lay) than being with a steady partner you click with well. Depending on your phase of life, you may want to focus on other things like career and not have the energy to keep messaging women on Tinder and showing…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/18 08:33 PM
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There's a lack of men becoming nannies. Why are men so passive about childcare? Those passive beta cucks should be more active and assertive! Lack of interest is different from failing to take action. It's only passivity if there is interest but they still choose to do nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/18 08:16 PM
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If women want to be assertive in the world instead of passively being acted upon all the time, why do they insist on the latter? NAWALT. Some are passive by nature, like some men are. Others are active. It's the active ones complaining. This is only confusing if you assume all women are the same. Otherwise it's easy to reconcile why some women want to be assertive while others act passive. Women don't want to ask men out. Women don't want to make the first move. False. Women do all of these thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/18 08:02 PM
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He's an incel, so take his comments with that grain of salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/18 07:40 PM
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They said they don't like shy guys. Actually, sounds like they don't like cowardly guys. Shy isn't the same as cowardly. Some women like reserved guys. But cowardice is a turnoff. Why are you afraid of hearing something mean or having feels hurt?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/18 06:56 PM
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The point that stands is "pretense of friendship can increase new sexual partners". Or "some men use pretense of friendship as a strategy to get sex". Your point was this males just wanting to have women in their circle to hook up with at fortuitous moments, which is my thesis exactly. Keyword "just". Your argument was that men will ONLY be friends with women for the sexual endgame. All we've established is that some guys do this. The other guys already have a successful strategy to get laid eno…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 02:32 PM
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Several studies have demonstrated that both sexes would ideally prefer to be passive. Which studies? Can they differentiate between whether it's human nature for all humans to be passive or whether the majority of their male sample were betas? (betas more likely to be compliant test subjects) Of course, as we all know, in the real world, for men that's simply not an option. This is the attitude of beta men who discovered RP and have to act alpha to get laid, sure. For naturally dominant males, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 09:42 AM
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Every day thousands more men have no game. Sure, many guys do this to get laid every day. But millions of guys get laid other ways. It's not the only way. You can also just get laid by being direct. Especially with dating apps, there's no need to waste the time and energy building and maintaining fake friendships just to get laid later. What a waste of energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 09:27 AM
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Nice shamers believe by virtue of him being unattractive, he is a bad person Says who? Most believe two separate things: he is unattractive (that's why the girl ignores his advances and rejects him) AND he is a bad person (because he is manipulative and then gets butthurt). They don't believe ALL unattractive men are inherently bad people, just the ones who display NiceGuy behaviors. Having debated many the more honest end by saying that being nice is not being good, to be good you should be doi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 09:16 AM
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Defensive? Made a joke about it. You did say "all". Maybe you just meant the desperate cases. Do you really think most guys are that desperate though? for me personally, almost all of my female friends are attractive. if there was some situation where i could have guaranteed no consequences, no strings attached sex with them, i would have sex with most of them. So it's just fear of consequences holding you back? Some women can be mature about it, as long as you treat each other with respect. Sus…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 09:07 AM
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watch what happens to all of those totally platonic male-female friendships when the woman gets into a serious relationship or gets married. What typically happens is I still want to hang out regardless of relationship status but they disappear until they're single again. Maybe they're beta-orbiting me?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 12:30 AM
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You have much to learn. I'm a man. I have female friends. Many really are "just friends". I genuinely don't want to bang them. I'm not orbiting hoping to get laid one day. No interest. I gladly fuck other women, but these ones really are just friends. This isn't a polite fiction. This isn't a sexual strategy to play nice and bide my time until sex happens. Some have already offered and I've turned down sex from them. I just want their friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 12:27 AM
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A man's love is based on erections
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 12:21 AM
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moved like wildfire into a "Daddy/Little Brat" dichotomy, almost always uncompromisingly demanded by women in their tumblrs and dating profiles Source? I have never seen this in OLD before. Which women and where are you finding them? The rest of your post depends on this being a very common preference, so let's first establish whether it's even true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 12:19 AM
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all women of all time No, RP maintains that AWALT doesn't REALLY meant "AWALT".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 12:17 AM
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Then why do you raise this topic at all? Nothing wrong with WANTING it spent on what you value instead. But that's not how taxes work, and that's not what would happen if the government opted not to subsidize birth control, so the point is moot. Like wanting a unicorn. Provided I don't notice the condom failure for myself. Women do get knocked up when neither party noticed. Then you might want that abortion option open... 2% per year is a small chance. Changing goalposts. It's 5%, because you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 09:56 PM
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tl;dr - The only way it's your tax dollars paying for someone else's handout more than yourself is if you're a man who pays disproportionately more tax dollars than he has sex. i.e. a Beta Bux. Betas should hate paying taxes for other people's abortions. Alphas should either love getting betas to pay or be indifferent to it (if opposed to taxation and handouts in general).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 08:53 PM
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And you can pay for Plan B that one time in maybe happens out of your own pocket If she tells you. ONS often don't. Men can get the "surprise I'm having a baby in 2 months and it's yours" call. If you don't trust the woman with government benefits or child support money, you really trust her to keep you in the loop? rather than having the government pay for every broken condom, every year, from your tax money. You mean from Bill Gates' tax money. The share from your own tax money is less than Pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 08:35 PM
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Condoms, when used correctly, provide 95+% protection against pregnancy. People don't always use them correctly. They might be expired or put on improperly in the heat of the moment. Even if they're good and worn correctly, they can break during sex. Women do get pregnant despite condom use. 5% is too high a chance to get stuck paying child support for 18 years. Over many years of sex, that risk adds up. Maybe TRP incels rely on the stats, but people with experience should know this. Condom brea…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 07:52 PM
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They are supportive of birth control as long as they do not have to pay taxes for it and they can ensure it is used, and condoms fit both criteria. The high failure rate of condoms means they fail the actual birth control criteria (which can lead to costing more money). Condoms aren't 100% protection. Condoms + the pill together are better. With condoms alone, I'd want her to have easy access to abortions in case the condom broke. Do they want her getting knocked up because she's too poor to pay…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 07:21 PM
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True, but it's rare to see someone admit this. RP likes to pretend they're real alpha males, not incel-males who dress up to look like alphas to get laid. At least they're practical about realizing nobody wants their genes to pass on. They should be more supportive of birth control then, because it makes their efforts simpler.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 07:02 PM
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It's because this is reddit and you're arguing with low-value internet trolls who are in denial that they and their friends are below average or that other peoples' lives are different
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 06:34 PM
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Alpha Fux, Beta Bux. The Alpha fucks, the beta pays. This is how the alpha male sexual strategy has passed on genes through countless generations. If it was Alpha Fux, no pregnancy and no one pays, the genes never would have passed on. Beta genes pass on because the beta helps care for the young. Alpha genes pass on because they fuck so many women that statistically at least one of them will have a beta to raise the young. If RP wants to pretend to be alphas but also cut themselves out of the ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 06:30 PM
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His own low-value was already established, by himself. I was trying to convince him he's out of touch with how other men live, in vain. He's clearly never socialized with "normies" before. I've lost count of the number of average guys I've seen hook up at college parties. Yes, guys lie and exaggerate, but they're not lying when you walk in on them / hear them in a room banging a girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 06:25 PM
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get saddled with child support then. Because of this. Their strategy is for the beta to pay, not them. If it leads to child support or alimony, then they have issues. But if they were really against knocking these women up, they wouldn't mind paying tax dollars to subsidize birth control and abortions, because it would ultimately benefit their own sexual freedom too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 06:19 PM
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I linked 4 studies showing casual sex is common for millenial men. Learn to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 10:03 PM
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Yep, ignore the studies and facts and keep harping on that point. You're the one in denial. The rest of us see that you're just a sad incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 09:58 PM
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This. The quiet ones have some dirty sex fantasies...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 09:57 PM
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As to the second, I don't know if self esteem is the best predictor of promiscuity. Low self-esteem about sexual value is a good predictor for whether a girl can be manipulated by a strong-framed man when she's feeling shitty about herself. In other words, she may put out for some attractive jerk just to prove she's desirable enough for that. This is what RP has the most experience in :p
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 09:55 PM
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If average guys can't get casual sex, how come so many average guys (including myself, guys I know, and other guys posting on here) have had casual sex? I'm definitely a reddit nerd, not a Chad. But by your argument my sexual history could only happen if I was Chad, therefore your argument must be wrong. I'm done wasting my time with you. So you pretend to care about facts, but not when they clearly show average guys have casual sex. Check out all those studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 09:48 PM
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You're obviously in denial The only thing I'm in denial about is being Chad. By your argument, to have my sexual history I must be Chad. Either I'm right or I'm Chad. I'm happy either way. I don't see how anyone could possibly believe there's a whole lot of casual sex going on... Whoa, no one said "a whole lot", or that it's constantly "going on". I just said most average guys can have casual sex. Period. Not 100 casual sex partners. Not an easy pizza-delivered new partner whenever he's horny. J…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 09:32 PM
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Look, dude, just give up already. You got nothing. You've got nothing. Where's the evidence today's average men aren't having casual sex? Let's pretend your number reflects the reality for today's youth. You think all 7 were LTRs?? And 7's just the average. What about the tens of millions who had more than 7? All LTRs? No, some were casual. The average guy doesn't have 7+ serious relationships. So even if your numbers are right, guys still had casual sex. You've got no evidence against casual se…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 08:02 PM
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I agree. RP is the sexual strategy of low-value males (from a functional civilization perspective, not a looks perspective) - the ones who are shitty at advancing the species or protecting their young, so their only chance to survive is to bang as many women as possible, hope to knock one up, and walk away.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 07:30 PM
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Self-report surveys are weak, and there are a ton of biases in just counting the average number of sex partners. Do you not get that the average number of sex partners of a 60 year old Evangelical Christian who's been married since 18 has nothing to do with whether a 25-year old average-looking guy can get casual sex in 2017? Do you seriously think the boozing, drug-using, rule-breaking guys having loads of casual sex are answering boring government phone surveys about sexual history as much as …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 07:08 PM
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That's the highest probability of sex, but I wouldn't call it "casual sex". That's a dead-end relationship, even if they both refuse to use "labels".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 07:04 PM
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Most women only want relationship sex, not casual sex, which throws a real wrench in this. She's probably including the women looking for relationships. The pool of women open to both casual sex and relationship sex is small.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 06:55 PM
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So you don't have evidence they aren't? Just because TheRedPill says so? I mean, last study I checked said men had on average seven sex partners throughout their lifetime. That answers a very different question. That answers "how many sex partners have you had?", to the compliant straight-edge men who bother to take the time to answer surveys like that. It doesn't ask "have you ever had casual sex?" to young men who actually wanted it. Bunch of reasons why these aren't the same thing. Many guys …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 06:35 PM
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The average guy does. Low-value men don't. You are mistaking your own value for average, then assuming your experience applies to all average guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 05:25 PM
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You don't have to believe me. But the fact that you don't believe it's possible is proving everyone else's point - that you both don't know what's really going on in the SMP and that you must be a very low-value male.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 05:15 PM
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Do men get laid as much as they'd like though? Does the average guy get to have access to casual sex? These are very different questions. Do men get as laid as much as they'd like? Often not. Do men get easy casual sex every time they want it? Usually no, not even attractive men. But does the average guy have access to casual sex? Absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 05:09 PM
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If you seriously believe only millionaires and guys with supermodel-tier looks are having casual sex, you really have no idea what is going on in the world. I am far from attractive or rich, very average, and still had my fair share of casual sex partners (yes, female). Not hundreds, but not none either.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 05:07 PM
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That can be part of the advice. Include ways to find women open to casual sex and prove they are invested in positive mutual experiences, unlike the old crop. If this means FWB instead of ONS, then say that too. A lot of men would be happy with either as long as it means sex, and if one is significantly better for women, then help these men get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 05:40 PM
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I'm responding to the OP. The OP wasn't asking a futile economics question about how to altruistically get 80% of men regular casual sex when only 5% of women want it. He was asking how nerds can get advice on how to get into the casual sex market, other than PUA and RP. That alternate strategy might involve displacing other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 05:11 PM
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Because the new crop would be following women's suggestions for casual sex (which would include parts of what make the women have better experiences too) instead of a PUA guide for how to con your way into sticking your dick in something and run off. It changes from a zero sum game to win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 05:08 PM
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The women that do, already have it. There's no way to increase the number of women to have casual sex with. You don't have to increase the number of women having casual sex. New men can just displace other men. The women who are already having casual sex aren't satisfied with 100% of their partners. Many of them are stuck with PUA guys. Help those women have better casual sex by helping other men give them what they want and find them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 10:11 PM
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Well, ignore those trolls. NAMALT. Many guys are willing to make friends with women. Say a guy already has 20 women friends, gets to know them, isn't interested in only sex. They hang out a lot. They do fun things together. He enjoys all this. He might be perfectly happy never having sex with most of them and just enjoying their company. Do you have any further advice, or does your advice just end at "make friends"? How might a casual sex situation arise with 1 of the many friends if she's in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 10:00 PM
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Not to the guy hitting on you. Forget about him. He is a lost cause. He might be trying for pity sex too. I mean to us, on reddit and the internet. OP is saying that frustrated men want to figure out how to have casual sex, so they Google shit. Google shows them PUA and RP, because those are the only hits that turn up for men. But if men could find an alternative, some greenpill that was women-friendly, they might turn to that instead of RP. Many of these insecure nerds turn to redpill just beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 09:45 PM
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Yes, THOSE are examples of taking advantage of women. But those aren't the only ways to have casual sex. Provide an alternate way and it will actually reduce the lying and cheating and PUA shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 09:34 PM
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Why does casual sex have to involve taking advantage of someone? Some women do want and enjoy casual sex. If you show a guy how to create a situation that leads to positive, consensual casual sex both enjoy, then that other woman is not getting taken advantage of. If you don't, he's probably going to read RP and take advantage of her. If anything, your knowledge might reduce taking advantage of women, not increase it. If a guy is desperate to get laid and willing to take advantage of women, he a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 09:29 PM
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Any plan to help men have more casual sex would necessarily involve pressuring women to have more casual sex than they want to have. Not true, especially if they provide men with an alternate strategy that does not involve pressuring. Right now men who want casual sex have to learn from RP and PUA, so they learn to pressure women. If women provide a better way, many of these men would stop pressuring them and switch. These nerds just don't know better. Men using the new strategy may just replace…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 09:26 PM
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There are both male and female sociopaths (just as there are both male and female serial killers). But sociopaths are a tiny minority. Elaborate intentional manipulation is very rare. It's not the usual "nice guy" story.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 08:59 PM
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Guy meets woman. Guy falls for her, but has no balls to declare his intentions for dating right away, so he cowardly pursues her for friendship. Friendship develops over time. Guy does favors for her. He thinks the favors are making her fall for him, but since they are friends and not dating, the gestures aren't wooing her. She figures he's just an altruistic doormat and enjoys the free shit, like any other selfish human would. Eventually, his testicles descend and guy confesses his love in an u…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 06:25 PM
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When you think of entitlement, maybe you're thinking of the stereotypical rich player. But TRP aren't natural players. TRP is made up of incels. Incels experience years of bullying, ostracization, social rejection, above average rejection from women. How is that having everything they wanted?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 06:05 PM
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But Shkreli pops collars, makes billions, and fucks bitches. MLK got killed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 05:44 PM
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Very few psychopaths are charismatic like Ted Bundy, but media and fiction tend to focus on these because they're more interesting. Most are dumb and just dysfunctional humans, often in the prison system.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 05:37 PM
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NAMALT. Status is a huge factor for me. A hot woman with low status or boring personality is only appealing to me if I'm hammered and have nothing else to stick my dick in. Otherwise I'd ditch her for the slightly less hot but higher status woman any day.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 12:58 AM
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Any humans had shit chance of surviving in 10 million BC. Maybe you mean 1 million BC?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 12:40 AM
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He didn't get that way from being the best hunter and fighter and leading his tribe to success!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 12:31 AM
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It may have been the biggest and strongest male, possibly. But the same guy who is tattooed today wouldn't have become the biggest and strongest, if that makes sense. Today being able to get ripped and tattooed is just about preening yourself, like women do, trying to be the prettiest model. Historically there were no gyms. People who only cared about looks would not have gotten big and strong. To become the biggest and strongest and STAY that way, he would have to also be the most competent fig…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 12:27 AM
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Leader of the tribe, similar to the alpha in other animal species.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 12:22 AM
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No. If someone's primary goal is just to be attractive to other people (win in someone else's value system), they're betas. That's a submissive mode of living. It's shaping yourself to please others, caring about value only as much as others care, trying to be the prettiest model on the runway. Real Type A men value work for its own sake, for the inner sense of accomplishment and achievement, for the ego boost of winning at competition, for the satisfaction of producing something of value, to ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 12:14 AM
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Men LIKE being betas. They like to find a woman who can "civilize" them and they actually like to be on her leash. No. Natural betas like being betas. Many other men, including natural alphas, hate being betas. Attempts from women or other men to control them lead to arguments, anger, violence, or other negative reactions. More mature ones will at least have that inner discontent while you bite your tongue and take a deep breath and try to act like a civilized adult and find a positive solution.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 11:57 PM
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Needing to put up a front to a bunch of strangers on the internet makes you weak, and ultimately a pussy. People with healthy self-esteem, who are secure in themselves, don't need to do that. People with false bravado cockiness tend to be overinvested in what others think of them, need to convince others how cocky and great they are. This second group might seem "tough" to their bros but lack the mental fortitude to endure actual hardships. You are leaving it to others to determine your value, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 01:12 AM
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6 lines of defensiveness against 1 line of shitpost. You put way too much stock into what unbathed basement dwellers think of you. Great Depression and War and Auschwitz survivors didn't give a fuck what strangers thought, they just wanted to put food on the goddamn table and keep their kids alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 11:44 PM
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1: How can I un-pussify myself? Do something fucking hard that you think you aren't capable of, that challenges you to your very core, and may not have any kind of payoff for over a year, and don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks about it. 2: What is the optimal amount of hardship for optimal development? Does it depend on the person? Too little and you're soft. But too much and you're fucked. Everyone's different. Forget about external validation, like whether others consider you a pussy or…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 11:40 PM
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This isn't a "woe is me" post. I have high self-esteem. I'm actually a bit of a cocky dick tbh. Sounds like a genuine pussy right here
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 11:33 PM
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I agree that "it" can be developed later but I've never seen full charisma develop from even a medium adult talent. Yeah, maybe not full actor-level charisma. As with most skills, people at the top end of the bell curve notice their abilities earlier in life and get a huge edge to practice earlier than others. Others lack both the time to catch up and that degree of natural ability. What I meant is that you people who lack social skills and find social interaction a mystery ("us mortals") can ce…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 06:18 PM
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If that girltalk involves anti-male rhetoric, it should definitely be condemned. What if it's only anti-male subjective to male ears? I genuinely don't understand the impulse to cling to a label like "red pill" or "feminist" when you're basically saying: I like some of it, but I dissociate myself from most of the writing about it First, this discussion is independent of my own personal beliefs. This is a debate sub, not an evangelizing sub. Second, no not most of the writing. You yourself said y…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 01:29 AM
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But for most of us mortals, to whom social interaction will always be something of a mystery Seriously WTF. To most mortals, social interaction should not be a mystery at all. Maybe to autists. For the rest of us, read fucking body language and social cues. I wonder what /u/jkonrad meant about how it's "developed fairly young." It doesn't have to be. Social skills just take practice and continued exposure. People who start young just tend to accumulate more practice over time than people who sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 12:17 AM
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But a lot of TRPs fancy themselves as Littlefinger from Game of Thrones And a lot of feminists want all men to be exterminated. But that doesn't mean that's what feminism is about, nor does what you said mean that's what RP is about at the core. Any group has variation in its ranks, some with more ridiculous views. But as a whole, RP never claims to know what women really think. It's just a best working model that explains women's behavior in a way the men can understand. They follow it because …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 11:58 PM
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Yeah but her head is crazy as fuck (as anyone would be who was both abusive and drawn to abusive people). At that point, you don't actually want to get in the crazy person's head to try to understand her own crazy rationalization of her actions; you want something that makes sense to a 3rd party observer. If you don't like TRP's version, the alternative you should be proposing is not the crazy person's rationalization ("listen to her!") but something like this: she has emotional damage and self-…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 09:41 PM
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IMHO he HAS tried to explain it himself in several posts... you just didn't catch on. Anyway, carry on. I've made my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 08:40 PM
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Because from his posts he clearly thinks you do not understand what he means. And I'm inclined to agree with him, based on your responses to me. You fail to distinguish between apples and oranges. I was trying to explain that the orange is not an apple, because it's futile for you two to keep going on talking about different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 08:36 PM
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These are also quotes from Lewis I don't consider myself an "expert on women's lives". Try not to read into it something that's not there. Later he draws a distinction between women's lives and attraction. Clearly he does not think you are talking about the same topic. In the phrase you quoted from Lewis, he does not claim to be an expert in women's lives. He says that the other person is not an expert on women inner lives. I believe you are an expert on YOUR inner life. I am not so sure you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 08:29 PM
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It's the other way around. Yes, TRP's inconsistent with what women say. HOWEVER, there's inconsistency between what those women say and how they behave. TRP is more consistent with how the women behave. Since understanding behavior is the primary goal, this leads to trusting TRP over the women's answers. If these actual women want to be heard and validated instead of being oversimplified as a ridiculous theory, they should consider giving answers that are more consistent with what they really do…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 08:18 PM
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Romantic lives are more complex than just attraction mechanisms. Again, these are not the same thing. If you mean "are you an expert on female attraction?", and only that, not any other component of romantic lives, then just say that instead. If you say other words, then you either mean something different or are being intellectually dishonest and obtuse by not being direct in your questioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 07:15 PM
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They're not trying to describe the female experience though. They're proposing a model, translated into malespeak (ie something they can easily understand and work with) that describes female attraction behavior and correctly predicts outcomes. Whether that matches what women internally feel, translated into womanspeak, has little meaning to a lot of men since it has no practical use.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 07:09 PM
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You're focusing on the "expert, yes or No part and ignoring the "expert of what". Component. He's claiming to be an expert on some things and not other things. The answer to your questions lies in the literal interpretation of the words he has already typed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 07:00 PM
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r/TheBlackPill
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 05:54 AM
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Interesting. So you agree with RP about the part that male dominance is critical for sexual attraction? (though you need tenderness too)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 05:32 AM
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Very comprehensive list. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 03:27 AM
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Lookswise, what do you like?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 03:21 AM
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What do you mean by "actually masculine", in your own eyes/words?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 03:21 AM
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Attraction is not negotiable, but whether women are willing to bend on need for intense attraction changes depending on circumstances (like war/scarcity). Also attraction is context-dependent since it's influenced by social status, so your outcomes when leading will be different than when passive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 01:14 AM
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Ok so instead of just saying "no", if there's nothing to hide, prove it by answering the question from a few posts up. What's the real reason women go for guys like that? "It was a mistake" and "he was a jerk" is not the whole story.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 03:38 PM
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Yeah dating like normal is "normal shit", not BP. Not every single source, but most of those writers for AskMen and similar publications are part of the greater manosphere (whether or not they choose to market that aspect, based on need to maintain mainstream image and sell copies). Their dating advice is pretty much the same thing RP (not TRP subreddit) has been saying long before. RP dating advice has its roots in the (admittedly hokey) underground pickup artist scene dating back 15+ years, lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 03:34 PM
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Those aren't BP sources. Men's magazine advice is mostly consistent with the greater Manosphere, RP, just not TRP. Being masculine and dominant instead of sensitive and deferring to women is RP. Most of those male magazine/seduction writers are part of the manosphere. Again you're talking about TRP on reddit, which drew attention from controversy. The greater RP/manosphere/men's rights movement predates that. It's not just niceguy pickup artists on reddit, but the whole modern men's rights movem…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 02:54 PM
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The things you mentioned enable women to sexually behave exactly how their biology tells them to: get children from "Alphas" and use the other men for resources. Hard to prove cause and effect. All we know is those things changed and women's sexual behavior also changed. One rationale is that this is their true biological nature that they're finally free to act on. Another is that this behavior is a rational choice given the decreased risks of casual sex and economic/life delays to marriage (col…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 05:04 AM
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Women also have a wandering eye.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 04:58 AM
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If you want to partner up with a women, the best way is to be valued in the social circle she cares about. Agreed. I always understood this as working because women are more obsessed with social hierarchy (watch any TV show/movie geared at teenage women), less because of a hypergamous nature. They spend so much time worrying about their own place in hierarchy and sucking up to alpha females that they treat you with god-status when they think you're also above them. Be careful if you notice your …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 04:54 AM
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If it was the biological imperative, why was the marketplace of the past different? Biology was no different then. The modern marketplace is different because it is, in part, a social construction. Women can ride the CC only because of birth control, condoms, modern medicine, low infant mortality, long postsecondary educations and white collar career development, social assistance, science and atheism, and other modern factors. Without those factors in place, women's sexual behavior would be mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 04:40 AM
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Oh, he's talking in evo psych terms? Men want to spread the seed, women invest more in pregnancy and so are more selective for mating partners? According to Wikipedia "hypergamy" usually refers to class or status, social constructions, so it does not seem like an evo concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 04:35 AM
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tl;dr supply and demand 30+ years ago, when women needed male financial resources, it was women who needed to settle to survive and men who could be pickier. The ridiculed social outcast back then was not the male incel, but the female spinster. Thus, is female hypergamy really a biological imperative, or simply a result of the economics of the modern sexual marketplace?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 04:33 AM
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I understood before; I share that paranoia too! No single mothers here, move along.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 04:29 AM
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Thanks for the explanation. Must have confused hypergamy with serial monogamy. TRP just says "cock carousel" all the time, hard to get a good discussion on it. Also if you wanted a real example of male hypergamy then you would have been better served discussing starter wives. Fair point. One of the exes I referenced was basically my "starter wife". It's a real thing. Men do it too. The whole point of hypergamy is that a woman will naturally try and secure the best partner possible in order to en…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 04:26 AM
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High status isn't the same as high maintenance. I find the ones with good jobs/money are actually lower maintenance overall because they don't need you to buy them shit, they can buy things themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 04:20 AM
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Better how? Looks? Status? I've dated hotter women and richer women before. Wouldn't you if you could?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 04:16 AM
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That's what women do too though... "regular dating". What makes them more hypergamous?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 04:11 AM
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Is it not serial monogamy? Or ditching one LTR partner to "trade up" for a better one?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 04:10 AM
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why does liberal have "liber" in it if its not actually about "freedom". To confuse voters. In America, the right is full of religious people, so the left gained power by promoting social liberalism traditionally condemned by religion (gay rights, Black Lives BeingNonSlaves, abortion, etc.). The left here is socially liberal but economically/politically statist. Libertarian is both socially and economically liberal. The difference becomes clear when the left promotes "liberal" freedoms through s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 02:17 AM
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Left-liberal is socialism and statism, like Soviet Russia, all the nannies all the time. Freedom-liberal is libertarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 02:11 AM
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Would you rate TRP overall as more conservative than liberal, at least when it comes to gender roles? TRP has a lot of nontraditional folks. The right segment is mostly alt-right libertarian, not old-school right. Old-school conservative has prudish religious views on sex, in direct conflict with RP lifestyle. Conservatives are driven by religious morality; RP promotes being amoral. When TRP talks about the "blue pill" way of thinking, or "blue pill people" does it seem like they're mainly refer…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 02:06 AM
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10 yrs intimate relationship? You must be thinking of one of the other posters on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 01:06 AM
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Self-improvement is universal, but self-improvement directed towards being more masculine and dominant was never given by traditional BP sources. RP was the first time many men heard anything other than "just be yourself" or "women just want a nice guy", which is useless advice. "Self-improvement" on its own is insufficient; you need a direction in which to improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 01:04 AM
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Replying to the wrong comment? In this one you claim I'm self-deluded in my explanation of male behavior, ironic considering BP's epistemological attack on RP is that men can't know women's inner thoughts
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 01:00 AM
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No, I want to hear humans fucking admit the reasons why they did stupid things, so we can all learn and grow instead of sweeping it under the rug trying to pretend we're all perfect angels running for office. What was great about the movie Trainspotting is it showed that heroin was fun. As they mention in the opening sequence, if you don't include that side of the picture, it's baffling why people do it. Yes, it's obviously stupid and addictive, but when you also show the alluring side of the st…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 04:15 PM
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That's all we ever hear, but it's bullshit. Don't want to know why in retrospect you realize it was stupid and are ashamed. Why, back then, did it seem like a good idea? In 18 year old you shoes what was appealing about it? Not to shame you, but to finally get some fucking honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 03:58 PM
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Ah. Since this is reddit and I'm a redditor I'm only aware of the reddit version. Where can I find "true RP" stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 03:30 PM
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True, maybe ruminating about it online with others is making it worse, echo chamber effect. Still, why would I sign away half my income to someone who was that unattracted to me? If she didn't want someone like me earlier, she's blown her chances now. Thinking about it probably makes the anxiety worse, but that's still no justification to enter a binding marriage contract with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 03:22 PM
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Why did he prompt a non-disgust reaction when younger? Women talk about why these guys are seen as dickheads now, but tend to avoid why they hooked up with them in the first place. What was different then?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 02:14 PM
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Completely agreed. Instant gratification is why people aren't getting what they want on a deeper level, ultimately unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/17 09:03 PM
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Vietnam war was like yesterday. Further back in history. See my other comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 02:18 PM
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Casual sex is a lame goal. It's ridiculously easy to accomplish anyway. If it was that easy, there wouldn't be so many guys looking for things like RP. Maybe it's easy if you're white. I'm Asian. Most American women don't have their deepest sexual fantasies about Chinese guys. I think Americans also perceive Asians as naturally more beta and less masculine, so we need to work to break our submissive cultural programming and practice being more dominant and masculine. You are looking for a woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 03:04 AM
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Before the 1900s, going off to war was considered a very honorable thing and war heroes were celebrated. War was also less traumatizing without the devastation of modern weaponry.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 12:19 AM
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Incel?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 02:17 AM
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Yes, I agree all genders experience this same problem in one way or another. The concept of "unrequited love" is very old and gender nonspecific. My point was just that society treats the issue in different, contradictory ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 01:55 AM
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FWIW liking the other person more than they like you back and getting let down/disappointed is a very normal thing most humans experience at some time or another. It's frustrating, but it's a reality. The other person doesn't always feel the same way about you, and sometimes you don't feel that way about them. If I sound cold about this, it's because men get constantly berated for communicating the same thing. Guy likes a girl more than she likes him back and expresses frustration and disappoint…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 01:35 AM
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Ah. Well why did you do it those times if you didn't want that? If you're mainly talking about unwanted offers, it's a fact of life. Men like me get unwanted single mothers trying to marry us and pay for their kids. Undesirable people have the right to try to find happiness too; we also have the right to say no to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 11:42 PM
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For the first part, non-RP womens collective contempt for mens rights movements says otherwise. Yeah, they typically say to suck it up, that we're privileged and any double standards on us are not important, showing little interest in helping when concerns are stated. No one is obligated to be married. But no one forced her to get married or make vows to stick together and try to work things out "for better or for worse", "in sickness and in health", "til death do us part"? Now domestic violence…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 11:34 PM
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If its not the first night its not a ONS right? Thought you said you were fed up of being a ONS. Did I misunderstand?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 11:04 PM
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Ok, so you do find casual sex fun sometimes and not instrincally demeaning or contemptuous. Nothing wrong with that! Just wanted to check, given the OP topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 11:01 PM
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If that's how you feel, why are you hooking up on the first night? Say you want more dates first and make sure they want the same thing as you. If you fuck first and ask questions later, how can you expect anything but disappointment? Is he supposed to read your mind and know you want an LTR?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 10:57 PM
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Yeah its just like beta bux. Thats the point. But like the beta males, if you dont want it, dont be a pushover and engage in something you dont want. If you do, its your own fault for not saying what you want or setting boundaries. This is the line constantly touted to betas and "nice guys"... and the same applies to dissatisfied ONS. If you don't want it, don't be a pushover and don't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 10:55 PM
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Plating doesn't necessarily give up chance at a relationship otherwise. Not everybody is always ready/looking for a relationship 100% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 10:49 PM
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Lots of effort, rejection, frustration
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 10:46 PM
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If she's so against plating normally, why is nothing bad? There are other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 07:48 PM
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The connotation of "tolerated" is that she's normally against it but made a one-time exception in defiance of her usual views. It sounded like she didn't really want to be a ONS, she just didn't see the point in hoping he would commit to more or sharing with 3 other girls. In other words, she saw her options as: be OK with just the ONS hope for an LTR and get let down sleep with him again, being a "plate" and sharing him with other girls It sounds like she picked 1 as the least hurtful option. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 05:26 PM
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Yeah those are reasons why they suck for you, personally. I hear that and respect that. Just saying its not always a contemptuous or "not good enough" thing for everyone else. If you feel that way, just don't have any ONS. It's pretty easy not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 05:05 PM
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Who knows what group does it in their private life. Could be few, could be many, but it's not none. Sometimes they do have sex. I know, have been used for sex before. OP argued as though it was contemptuous for ALL people, that's why what other people do was relevant. It's fine if OP doesn't want it herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 05:00 PM
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What if several men came to you and said we were frustrated with being used emotionally and financially, even repulsed by it? Or that women divorce so easily, backing out of marital vows and commitments, leaving the guy crippled paying alimony, emotionally broken and abandoned, and never seeing his kids? Men have been complaining about this for years, but women's self-interest is in direct competition with men's needs here, so women do not listen or try to make this life-altering transition any …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 04:56 PM
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How do you know what both parties are thinking? What if the man/woman is just saying "I am not looking for a relationship", so it has nothing to do with whether they're good enough or not. I know many women who bragged about seducing and sleeping with a male celebrity/pro athlete, only looking for casual sex. The women were proud. They did not feel used, they did not want it to become more, they did not view the guy with contempt. They simply wanted the memory and experience of one memorable nig…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 04:42 PM
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I was thinking more about the feeling of expendability and the grievous offense it causes you. Monogamous relationships are expendable too, sometimes more expendable than "plates". "Normal" people who are just "dating" may only go on a few dates and then get dumped. A couple in a committed relationship may break up after only a few months or a year, despite professions of love and commitment. Even marriages may end after only a few years, despite vows. These are all expendable. In fact, that's t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 04:19 PM
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Why does being a ONS have to be a contemptuous thing? Women use men for ONS too. Some women "plate" too (sleep with multiple guys without wanting to commit to one yet), especially in college. Are you assuming all those women hold those men in contempt? For you, you're obviously not OK with it, which is fine. Don't have more ONS then. It's very easy to avoid! But why do you assume it's contemptuous for others?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 03:51 PM
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If this is how you felt, why did you hook up with him at all? You have a choice in the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 03:44 PM
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As I showed, "rock" could be negative too. Its not inherently positive or negative. The intent is positive (strong foundation), and you hope the man hears that instead of the negative connotation, like with any other metaphor. But the intent of "plate" is not negative either. It's just the metaphor of spinning plates, cycling through a rotation, juggling multiple balls. That's it. The rest is not the intent. Others call the same actions "polyamory" or "dating". I don't even understand why you ke…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 03:10 PM
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Ok, so it's not the actual sexual behaviors, just the metaphor "plate" and that plate is an object? My friend's wife calls him her "rock". Is that stupid and insulting as fuck? He's nothing but an inanimate object, deserves to be kicked around on the ground, got ugly callouses and cracks, dumb as a stone? Isn't he a human being? What a misandrist his wife is! No, it's a metaphor for strength. If you're familiar with the metaphor then it's not insulting at all. Its usage is normalized. But taken …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 01:50 PM
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Please explain in what part I have removed your humanity and how, instead of just reacting to something without explaining what you are reacting to. You don't need to defend your humanity; I'm just asking you to explain why you think your humanity was under attack at all based on what I said? Do you know what "plates" refers to? It has nothing to do with women being fragile ceramic or wanting to break them. It's the metaphor of "spinning plates", ie juggling multiple casual relationships at once…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 10:35 AM
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So far you're the only one who has equated women with having no worth. Don't be such a misogynist. You realize women can want short-term casual sex too, right? And if both of you want it and it's consensual then there's no dehumanization or denial of worth. But you assume casual sex means treating women like an expendable object. Are you slut shaming?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 06:09 AM
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Interesting. However, OkCupid data shows women perceive very few men to be their level of looks, so the bias is built in. Based on mens aggregate ratings, the top 50% of women were average or higher. I.e. average is the middle. Based on womens aggregate ratings, only the top 20% of men were. The average man is "below average" in looks, according to women, according to OKCupid data. Therefore a 50th percentile woman hitting on a man at her level of attractiveness would not go for a 50th percentil…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 12:45 AM
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When you use the quote function, try actually quoting. Second phrase never said. Plate = consensual casual sex partner, not inanimate objects
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 12:39 AM
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Exactly. OP is confusing RP with knowing how to behave in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 06:32 PM
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Freedom of beliefs. Actually there's something wrong with telling other people their beliefs are wrong. You are free to believe what you want, as are RP men. We have rules governing behavior only, not beliefs, and if their behavior is workplace appropriate then you are the one being inappropriate telling them what beliefs they should hold internally.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 06:27 PM
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What? No, most Americans can't just wake up and decide where to work. You can decide to quit, but you can't just snap your fingers and get a job anywhere you want. You can wake up and decide to apply for a job somewhere, but you may not have the required skills/training/experience/connections, there are other candidates applying too, you might not do well in the interview, and you likely won't get the job in the end. Without putting in years of work and training, you're unlikely to get anything …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 06:00 PM
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Religion and politics and sexual fetishes are the same... inappropriate for work and many social interactions, but that doesn't make them wrong or their followers sociopathic for hiding them to be polite.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 05:46 PM
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Anti-SJW is a political thing, not a redpill thing. Many RP men are also alt-right pro-Trump anti-SJW, so there is a lot of overlap, but the two aren't the same. Not wanting an SJW might be strategic, to avoid types likely to file frivolous grievances and too sensitive to take any constructive criticism. This is different from not hiring women or wanting to pester women at work. Otherwise, good point. RP might influence how some people are in the office. It obviously doesn't influence everyone (…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 05:43 PM
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How? I've given you way more detail... where's this nuance of yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 05:30 PM
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There's no reason to believe RP influences workplace performance anymore than religion or politics influences workplace performance. Many religions are much more misogynistic than RP, yet that doesn't lead those men to mistreat women at work. The default assumption should be that it has no effect on work, and the burden of proof should be to show that it does. There's no reason to think the two are connected beyond prejudice.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 05:28 PM
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My comment acknowledged that you can partly self-determine income/job... and you can also partly self-determine looks. You can work out, lose weight, dress well, have good hygiene, smile, change your hair style, use makeup. Yes, you are constrained by some physical limits like height and skin color and genes. You can't change everything, but you do have some control over looks. The same argument applies to income/job. The amount you can self-determine is limited; people are still constrained by …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 05:25 PM
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Your argument was why would people hold a belief if they knew it was workplace inappropriate (suggesting that makes it "wrong" or "bad" and why would you knowingly believe something "bad)? I'm just saying they already do that for religion and political beliefs, why would RP be any different? Beliefs are separate from office behavior. Therefore the suggestion that RP makes men require sensitivity training is ridiculous. It won't necessarily influence how they behave at work. Lack of social calibr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 05:18 PM
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Which data? On Tinder women only liked 16% of men on average, a much smaller pool than men did. If they don't like, they're not messaging either. On OKC women also rarely initiate messages at all, so are you talking about replies (apples and oranges)?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 05:10 PM
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This is what I mean. People have religion without pontificating it in the workplace. They understand how to separate the two. Similarly, redpillers can have those beliefs without broadcasting them in the workplace, the same way other religious people keep their strong religious beliefs at home. Employees have kept their offensive beliefs out of the office long before any pills existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 05:07 PM
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Other people call that "religion". And yeah, millions of religious people work in offices and hold beliefs that may offend others, without those beliefs interfering with their workplace professionalism. Mature adults dont walk around pontificating everywhere just because they hold a strong belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 05:00 PM
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Self-determination or race and privilege and family wealth? The US is not an even playing field for jobs/money/status. What family you're born into is no less arbitrary than what looks you're born with. You can somewhat change looks too, just like you can somewhat influence your economic outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 03:41 PM
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No, other studies were done on various groups. The author did multiple studies. But this study, the one the OP is mainly discussing, was done only on law students.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 01:19 PM
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Yeah but doesn't make that one study any better. If he's right, it was by accident. He's lucky other studies came to similar conclusions, but bad study design is bad study design. Why do it at all of you're blatantly not controlling for the biggest possible confounder?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 02:51 AM
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Never said they chose wisely. But you think they're taking out $200k student loans and doing all that work because they're passionate about mergers and acquisitions?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 02:49 AM
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I'm referring to the findings from the study on law students. When your entire sample is biased towards people who care a lot about money and status, it really fucks with your ability to generalize conclusions about perceptions of money and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 02:45 AM
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Women like and want sex as much, but have more prerequisites to enjoy sex. They are also more skeptical of those prerequisites being met, therefore cockblocking strange from average guys. However when women feel confident all their preconditions are met (eg in a healthy relationship), they often crave sex even more than their male partners! I know a lot of women who wish their husbands would fuck them more, but just because they crave sex doesnt mean they want some random incel to give it to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 02:37 AM
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Socially awkward or average men are more common than attractive/dateable men. Data from OkCupid and Tinder confirm women only perceive a small percentage of the pool of men to be remotely dateable. The same data show men are actually less picky about looks. For girls, he includes shy nerdy girls. Yes, some girls are still unattractive to the majority of men, but the size of this group is small compared to the group of men who are unattractive to the majority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 02:18 AM
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So really you are blackpilled, not redpilled. You must be incel. If you'd ever had sex, let alone good sexual experiences, you'd understand why men choose vying for women over solitude. It's an intangible you have to experience to get, something we're biologically hardwired to crave, and jerking just doesnt come close.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 02:14 AM
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Too many to count. No orbiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 02:10 AM
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Study was done on only a class of law students? Would-be lawyers care more about money and status than the average person. Most want to be lawyers for the money and status. They'd project their own values on to their mate choices. Doesn't mean all other women would react the same way. Biased study group.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 01:44 AM
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Because they're only trying to date Chads and predators, so thats the only behavior they see.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 01:35 AM
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Wagecucks, unemploycucks, thedonaldcucks, cucks of all kind. Yeah, it seems like men have it worse when low income. Perhaps patriarchy is to blame. But women are also reinforcing the patriarchy in this respect, so if they want to blame patriarchy they should also encourage other women to stop propping it up. Many women still expect the guy to pay on dates, to marry guys of higher income, and to have guys buy them expensive gifts. Alimony, child support and other social assistance also presume th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 11:54 PM
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You're probably right, but INTP intelligent independent are the minority, not the types that RP works on. Its a numbers game.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/17 02:01 PM
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Define "worth it". What's your goal? If it takes longer and results in fewer women being attracted to you, most men see that as a loss and inferior strategy. Would you tell all women to not bother with makeup and filters and stop trying to optimize attractiveness or flirting and just treat everyone as a friend until someone is interested? The reason many don't is because its just less effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/17 01:51 PM
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There are variations of this. The ones who sound very bitter about it (Chads get all the ladies, nice guys finish last, bitches just choose jerks, average guys have no chance, Stacy is a cumdumpster, AWALT) are I think more likely to come across as incels and therefore still virgins, because they sound like they're on the losing end of the dynamic. Others may also have "negative" views towards women but a more mature overall perspective about the human condition; these guys may come across as mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/17 10:27 PM
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sluts make poor LTR partners, studs make good LTR partners They say the "sluts make poor LTR partners" part, but I can't recall hearing the second part. citation? being a stud is an accomplishment and should be lauded while being a slut is shameful This is a moral judgment. But as you said, they don't make those, since their goal is to be amoral players. They just say "all women are sluts" and "be a player". I think you're inferring the accomplishment and shame parts. They love sluts. Sluts are …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/17 10:01 PM
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Again, citation? I get the point you're trying to make, but I feel like that's a toddler's reading of an argument. AFAIK they never explicitly make that moral judgment. I think you're merging terp and Christians into one giant misogynist strawman. Terp says women are sluts be a stud; Christians say sluts are bad men are good. AFAIK terp doesn't make the moral judgment. Their goal is to become amoral. To me, their logic has always seemed to be "women are sluts; to be successful we need to eschew …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/17 09:21 PM
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citation? Most terpers don't even want to be a long-term partner. Their goal isn't 50 years of monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/17 04:40 PM
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It's not about looking down on them as "dirty sluts", just an acknowledgement that people's past does impact their future, for any gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/17 03:54 PM
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I agree that it's all relevant because it all paints a picture of what her sexuality, preferences and patterns are like. This concept gets challenged so much by women because I think they want to feel like they can do whatever they want now, no-strings, without judgment or impact on their future lives. But just because they don't want to be judged for it doesn't mean it won't actually affect who they become. Everything we do in life, man or woman, contributes to who we are. Erasing the past and …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/17 03:51 PM
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No, all people have the exact same personalities because nuances of traits and individuality are indistinguishable to an autist. All stacies and normies are the same, obv. Therefore, only looks matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 05:47 AM
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BluePill cope. Real men take out their sexual energy on pussy
/r/TheRedPill05/09/17 09:23 PM
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If you've only bedded 20-ish women, you don't deserve the name THEDICKDEALER. More like TheDickThatIsOccasionallyNotIncel.
/r/TheRedPill05/09/17 02:07 AM
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The actual "worst case scenarios" involve death, dismemberment, paralysis, terminal illness, and other things that you cannot simply move through. When you go for a run, you might get hit by a car. On some level you do need to accept unforeseen things could happen beyond your control. But there's no value in thinking about them beyond that, nothing to gain from visualizing scenarios. It's a waste of attention and focus that could be used on working towards goals and living life in the present. A…
/r/TheRedPill14/08/17 08:40 PM
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The problem is this sub is a mix of some successful men and a bunch of angry incels. They come here out of frustration and see it as an opportunity to be pissed at women for denying them pussy instead of adopting a mindset to really work on themselves. Or they just stay beta and ask others here how to live every detail of their lives. TheRedCel.
/r/TheRedPill14/08/17 03:22 PM
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The Stoics called negative visualisations the premeditation of evils. The idea is to envision the worst possible scenario. An example could be twisting your ankle before you run. Assimilate this idea into your daily actions and you will be rewarded. Twisting your ankle is honestly nothing. Only pussies fear that. It's also far from the worst possible scenario going on a run. People who think that must live ignorant, solipsistic bubble lives. I don't see any reward in thinking about the actual ba…
/r/TheRedPill14/08/17 03:08 PM
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Be an asshole. Go to job interview and ask for $1000 more than what the market rate is for your job If you think that's being an "asshole" and not just being a non-idiot human being, you're the wimp. Start to take from people without giving anything back This is terrible advice for someone who wants to be successful for more than one night. Sure, you can only play the short-game, but you better bang 10 hotties and make $50 million that night. Otherwise, successful people know you profit more fro…
/r/TheRedPill26/07/17 01:45 PM
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Think about the average person who wins the lottery, they don’t stay rich. The big reason for this is that financially responsible people already know the lottery is a really shitty investment. The people who buy tickets lack financial knowledge or make emotional/superstitious decisions (picking kids birthdays LOL). When they get rich, that same mindset causes them to squander their riches instead of optimally using it to stay ahead in life. Actually this is a great example of how a bad mindset …
/r/TheRedPill13/07/17 11:23 PM
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Guess you should add to your post "don't forget to breathe oxygen while fucking a girl"
/r/TheRedPill13/07/17 07:26 PM
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Any idiot knows not to spend all their attention on girls even if high value. That doesn't make this post good advice. The sidebar already gives basic guidance to lift, make money, not put women on a pedestal, and other things. A post that only says to not put women on a pedestal adds no value... you'd get more mileage saying "just read the fucking sidebar." These guys need to do a bunch of things to increase value. Guaranteed, at least one awkward teenage-cel is going to read this and try to do…
/r/TheRedPill13/07/17 07:21 PM
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Too true. It's social manipulation for sympathy. And also a cope, easier to tell themselves than accepting that the guy just didn't like her that much.
/r/TheRedPill13/07/17 07:15 PM
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I focused on it as evidence of your own low value, which discredited the rest of the post. Who's gonna take advice from a guy who describes getting blown off like that? And it's not even good advice for someone in those shoes. They just need to read the fucking sidebar.
/r/TheRedPill13/07/17 07:12 PM
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How have you guys coped with hard times? I've coped with hard times, but just job loss doesn't even come close. "Don't be a bitch" might be appropriate here. Man the fuck up. But as the days have turned to weeks and the realization that my fairly useless Sociology studies in Uni do not seem to be landing me any kind of a career or even a job Why did you even study Sociology? It's a tough job market. Consider upgrading your education to something with better job prospects. Started smoking again, …
/r/TheRedPill13/07/17 07:08 PM
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You are focusing on a sentence I used to trigger some guys. Lol was it supposed to trigger me? It just made me think you're another beta wannabe RPer. There are so many inexperienced kids posting trash on here, need to be outed.
/r/TheRedPill13/07/17 06:59 PM
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I know you're using an analogy to call guys giving up their resources cheap sluts, like that girl. But you gotta consider your audience. You're addressing men too low value to even get a cheap slut when you say this Well, not everyone. She told your fat ass to fuck off. For men who can't even get cheap sluts, they need to work on more than what your OP says, so my point stands. A man who can't get that kind of girl needs more than making her come to him.
/r/TheRedPill13/07/17 06:52 PM
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You started your post with this. If you weren't talking about the slutty girl and very low value males, you wrote your post wrong. You all know the slutty girl. She gives it up to anyone who looks at her. She is the easy girl. She is /u/Gaylubeoil 's Sheriff. The girl everyone knows they can have. Well, not everyone. She told your fat ass to fuck off. For any guy who is so low value that he can't get a girl like that, he needs to do more than just make a girl come to him on his terms. Picture Jo…
/r/TheRedPill13/07/17 06:47 PM
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I wonder how you display high value. Ignoring her and making her come to you doesn't display high value if you're a fat ugly low-status beta, as OP suggests. She still won't come to you because you're low value. You're not talking about the average 9, you're talking about a slut who gives it up for most guys, not only high value males. If she really is that easy, then any average guy should be able to get her without games. You'd have to be incel-value (way below average) to not get her already.…
/r/TheRedPill13/07/17 06:38 PM
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Well, not everyone. She told your fat ass to fuck off. She must have been hung over on jizz n'juice. If you can't even get a slut who "gives it up to anyone who looks at her", you're a low-value male. Instead of doing anything in this OP, just become a high-value male.
/r/TheRedPill13/07/17 06:25 PM
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So you are telling me that to get into a verbal conflict is a good thing? You just ignore her bullshit and dont play her game. No. Sometimes you just ignore tantrums. But in this case, staying silent is acting super beta. As long as he says or does nothing, she thinks she can say and do anything she wants to him. If someone's not respecting your boundaries, silent IDGAF doesn't fix that. It's a very beta response. "If I stay really small and quiet, maybe he'll stop hitting me with the baseball b…
/r/TheRedPill23/06/17 11:44 PM
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I'm with you there. I'm gonna get gender equality flak for saying it, but that whimp deserves the abuse. He needs to learn to grow a backbone.
/r/TheRedPill23/06/17 11:25 PM
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Don't be such a pussy. Even with a broken leg, he should be able to physically restrain her from hitting him. Even someone confined to a bed can do a simple wrist hold. Maybe he can't drag her to another room and fuck her standing up, but he can sure physically restrain her to defend himself, then verbally defend himself as well and get her to calm the fuck down.
/r/TheRedPill23/06/17 11:24 PM
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Yeah, that's what I mean. It's still different from the usual scenario where guys date down (because hypergamous women date up). Most male 5s are stuck with female 2s. I'd still say the power balance would favour her in that scenario though. Trust me, it doesn't if you're actually DOM enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/17 12:17 AM
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The irony was she actually wasn't into me before. We'd been friends maybe 10 years. I tried to hook up with her once years before, got rejected, and there was never chemistry between us afterwards, just friendship. But after his constant insecurity, she wanted to fuck me just to stick it to him. In other words, HE convinced her I was a high value male. If you look at women's behavior post-divorce or post-bf/husband cheating or other bad drama, a lot of them fuck some guy just for revenge. His pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/17 12:11 AM
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You'd have to have a lot of money or an otherwise very unique lifestyle to seriously attract a woman significantly above you who isn't crazy. Not "significantly above", like a 5 with a 10. I just said dating up. Like a 7 male being with an 8, instead of a 5 like most guys would do (dating down, since hypergamous women date up). Looks are only one component of what attracts women. You have to pass a looks threshold to get on her radar, but once you do there's a spectrum of variability for attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 08:15 PM
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I'm just pointing out the wide range encompassed by "Chad". Chad isn't defined as an ESFP beer-chugging popped-collar frat bro. Those guys are often Chads, but not all Chads are like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 08:11 PM
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In my experience 100% of girls who are willing to enter LTRs with less attractive men than themselves are only doing so because they can't get ones on their level. Or because your personality and other aspects of your life make you more attractive than men aesthetically on their level. This has been my experience. You don't buy a new iPhone 7 for £100 unless there's something wrong with it. You've never bought a car or other big ticket item below market value without there being something wrong …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 01:30 PM
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From an anthropological perspective, the alpha male is the leader of the pack. Usually the biggest and most dominant male, but also a protector, rule enforcer, leader. The alpha male gets first pick of mates as a result of position in the hierarchy. His sexual success is secondary, a consequence of his status in the pack. RP and similar circles use "alpha" just to refer to the sexual status, being able to get his pick of mates over other males. These "alphas" have no desire to lead men or protec…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 06:02 AM
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Depends on the strip club. A lot of female strippers do sex acts on guys at bachelor parties too. I don't see how this thing about male strippers is any different. Maybe your issue is with state legislation in a specific region.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 04:58 AM
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But I don't know why they're rejected. I was asking. Post-wall, shrewd, spoiled, "Nice girl", and other such labels may all be inaccurate. Whereas "cuck" is accurate when talking about men getting cuckolded. There's no extra inference needed. It's fucking tautological. I didn't use derogatory terms towards men in my OP about rejected men. Why should I use derogatory terms towards women in my OP about rejected women? The problem is you're cherry-picking, comparing my reply to a topic here with on…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 04:28 AM
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Also, your "nice guys" post got removed by mods for being demeaning. It was demeaning to trolls on r/niceguys, not to Nice Guys. Posts that are demeaning to nice guys do not get removed from there. There are plenty of derogatory words you could use towards women, you don't have to invent any. Name one that specifically fits that type of rejected women and is on topic. Sure I could say stuff like "bitch", "cunt", "whore", "slut", but those words are tangential to the topic of rejected women, whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 04:10 AM
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Oh I see. Because I called men who fear cuckolding "cucks", you're calling me a misandrist for not using some derogatory term for rejected women in that other post? Your logic fails because 1) I don't invent new terms for either men or women. "Cuck" is commonly used for that type of man. I can't think of an analogous word for the type of women in my post. Am I supposed to invent one for women? That wouldn't be equal. 2) "Cuck" is mostly used by men, in the manosphere, on TRP. How is it misandris…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 04:02 AM
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I like fucking cunts. But I hate fucking cunts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 03:42 AM
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Who's hamstering now? It's not hamstering if I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I'm consistent as long as my position does not change on a given issue (if you're talking about a different issue than I thought, it's not hamstering). Are you not talking about this thread at all then? What specific thread or topic are you talking about? Define your terms and accusations more clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 03:31 AM
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You called unsuccessful men who bitch derogatory terms No, I called men who fear their women running off on them (i.e. cuckolding) cucks. That's topical. you should be calling unsuccessful women who bitch derogatory terms too, by extension Why? Any time I call a group of men anything, even if relevant to the topic, I have to also call a group of women something or I'm a misandrist? my beef is with complete lack of you treating women a least somewhat equally due to the "women are wonderful effect…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 03:20 AM
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The world is set up in women's favor, as the comments above illustrate. We live in a "gynocentric" society, in other words. That's because you cucks dance for them in the first place. Stop offering and it won't be so easy for them. Back in the 80s and 90s, it was way more common to hear about desperate spinster women who couldn't find a man. This doesn't happen anymore because pornification of society has led to men drooling all over anything with tits, giving women more options than they could …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 03:12 AM
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Also, you know down voting is against the rules, right? You should explain that to whoever downvoted most of my comments on this topic. Thought it was you. Is there a particular reason why you're misandrist and hold women to a lower set of standards than you hold men to? Please support this claim better. Why are you accusing me of misandry? Because I didn't call women cucks too? Hetero women can't be cuckolded, by definition. Maybe your misandry beef is with the dictionary.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 03:02 AM
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The RP guys who misunderstand hypergamy and whine about how any woman wouuld leave them and how men have no opportunities to date up... those guys are cucks. Non-cucks have options and aren't so bitterly insecure about women running of with any Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 02:36 AM
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That's a different question. You were just talking about a "propensity to rape". Now you've switched to "propensity to rape as a cope for no available sex". Keep spinning the hamster wheel. In general, the women who do rape don't rape because they have no options. They rape because they want a specific person, or they get off on the power, or they prefer minors to available adult males. Women raping doesn't relate to desperation for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 02:23 AM
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Yeah, but you were just talking about a propensity to rape, not a propensity to rape only when they're thirsty and no guy will give them willing sex. So having other consenting options doesn't mean that they also don't have opportunities to go after different guys who didn't consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 02:19 AM
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However, when men need to pick a single woman, such as for marriage, they too are hypergamous. This. Somehow I get downvoted for saying this, by a bunch of RP cucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 02:16 AM
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Exactly. Hypergamy is not necessarily about action. A woman does not have to cheat with Chad to be hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 02:15 AM
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However if a woman had an opportunity (which happens quite often) and doesn't rape a man, then she's not a rapist. That's different from a man not "dating up" simple because ZERO higher value females have any interest in him. In this case, he has no opportunity, so his propensity cannot be revealed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 02:11 AM
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I'm assuming you are agreeing with me in a strange way? Because I said that to justify my original argument that men are also hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 02:01 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy Hypergamy is just "marrying up", the fact that a woman will ditch you for Chad if she can. Guys with a lot of options are generally more willing to upgrade, but most men don't have a lot of options. Hypergamy has nothing to do with that options you have, just about attraction, what you would do given options. Men don't display their hypergamous nature because they lack opportunities. Doesn't mean we aren't also hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 10:20 PM
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Autism?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 09:58 PM
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I don't see low SMV women as a valid sexual option and I trade up when I can. So you're saying yes, men are hypergamous too? Or are you saying you'd fuck ugly low SMV chicks?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 09:52 PM
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Hypergamy is about nature, not opportunity. If they would if they could, then it's in their nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 09:47 PM
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The real question is if men are also hypergamous. I've dumped girls to get with hotter, more interesting girls, and for LTRs I tend to date up. Do other guys do this too?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 09:43 PM
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Another cucking story. I'm at a party with a much of nerds and hot girls. Somehow I end up being the highest value male there and many girls were flirting with me. All night my incel friend is trying to talk to this drunk chick, be friendly, be the nice guy, and eventually kiss her, but she's not feeling it. I tried to help him out, but eventually she grabs me, starts grinding up on my lap and making out with me. I take her upstairs and bang her. My buddy was pissed and wouldn't talk to me after…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 09:39 PM
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You're desperatly trying to make this story fit your blue pill narrative What blue-pill narrative? Have you even read my comments on the thread about me cucking betas? I'm not saying I don't believe in Chad. I'm saying that getting invited to a party by random girls at the beginning of college is no big deal and happens to normies too. Chad has EVEN BETTER stuff happen to him. Your story is lightweight. It shows off your own lack of status more than his status. It's only bragworthy if they doubl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 09:26 PM
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classic ESFP Chad with his can of beer in one hand and popped collar. Chad is about social status and SMV and looks, not an MBTI type. Not all Chads are drunk fratboys. extreme levels of success men really good looking men Yeah, exactly. They're really good looking. They're Chads. They dominate a different social hierarchy based on art/culture/class.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 09:24 PM
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Proof that they knew you as long? You were sitting in the general vicitinity but not even talking to them or acting fun. They probably invited him because he looks like a model, but they would have done the same to normies too. You're just a bitter incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 09:08 PM
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there's a really fugly, postwall landwhale that wants Chad. one of those obnoxious low-smv women who always overcompensates for her unattractiveness by loudly telling stories about how so many guys have fucked her. there's no way Chad would ever fuck her and he's actually pretty creeped out by her. I LOLed. I've been to a few "reunion parties" (post-college gatherings with people back from college) where I bumped into girls I knew back in the day, who had gotten fatter and uglier and shown up wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 09:05 PM
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When they do, it's because they're rapey and the girls are too innocent to know how to say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 08:57 PM
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Ok, maybe he was a Chad then. But the same thing happens to non-Chads all the time. It's very common for new people to talk to you in class and invite you to parties. That's what college is for.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 08:55 PM
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No one on redpill is Chad. Chad doesn't need a sexual strategy. Waking up in the morning is his sexual strategy. Redpill is for non-Chads who are jealous of Chad, discussing strategy to try to get Chad-like conquests with sub-Chad value.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 08:48 PM
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Yeah, this happened to me like 50 times in college. This sounds like "normal talking to other humans in class", nothing Chadlike. OP was probably just unfamiliar with social interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 08:46 PM
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No, he wasn't a Chad, you're just so incel that some slightly more attractive gamer nerd seemed like a Chad to you. Unless he had a threesome with the girls, this sounds like a "typical normie" social interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 08:45 PM
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Here's one where I cucked someone else a while back. I had been hanging out with my friend (let's call her Sara) a lot at the time, always in groups. Sara always came with her bf, and I sometimes came with gfs and other times solo. I guess I joked around with Sara a lot, was taller and more dominant and more confident than her bf. Honestly I didn't even notice. I was just being social and having a good time. But that cuck developed a crazy complex about me and kept interrogating Sara about wheth…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 08:41 PM
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2 reasons. 1) Study doesn't ask weight when they got laid, just current weight. They may have had most of their lays earlier, then let themselves go after marriage and kids. 2) There's more male demand for casual sex than female supply, augmented by the fact that male casual sex seekers use a volume strategy. That means for women N-count is a function of impulse control. They always have offers for sex. The ones with higher N are the ones who said "no" less often. Women who let themselves get mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 08:25 PM
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I think most men realize this is less than ideal, but still see it as an improvement over males who are not even seen as sexually viable creatures and completely ignored/rejected by 99% of women. It's not that they think fatties love to be objectified and used, just that they see it as a lesser of two sufferings. Proof: If being used like this was worse than being invisible/unfuckable, these women would not sleep with the men at all and stay alone as hermits. They don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 08:12 PM
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It's just that I know him, trust him, and love him by now. Still, none of that necessarily implies he already told you his history. I guess he did, but you never told us that before my comment, so my comment was still justified. In LTRs, my partners and I don't always share full sexual history, or even n-counts (mine's high enough that it's not productive to share it unless she explicitly asks, and some just didn't want to know details). Those details aren't essential to knowing and loving each …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 11:36 PM
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I've been with plenty of them and more than enough women who I wasn't paying to know what attraction looks like. Who cares if you know what it looks like. That doesn't mean it can't be faked too. Whores make a living off convincing customers they are into them, just like how some bartenders have perfected the art of fake-flirting to get tips (while others are more obvious, worse actors). If whores weren't good actors, they wouldn't make as good money from guys like you who want to believe there …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 11:29 PM
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My SOs have shared their sexual history in every relationship I've been in. How are we supposed to know that, or how long you've been with that man (I thought it was a hypothetical male partner)? It could be someone new you just fell in love with and haven't yet shared histories. Anyway for that to be relevant to the OP topic, the woman's disclosure should be analogous to the man's disclosure. Are we assuming the woman lied to Billy about her past history with Chads and then he only found out la…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 03:30 PM
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If the OP is talking about the common complaint in the manosphere about a woman riding the cock carousel and having kinky sex with lots of Chads before marrying Billy Beta for stability, then the real reason that upsets Billy is not just the lack of kinkiness in Billy's current sex life but how that past behavior reflects on her character in terms of values that matter to a lot of men in marriage (purity, faithfulness, sexual openness to partner).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 03:24 PM
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You're assuming he lied, yet that was never stated anywhere in the OP or anywhere else. Why are you assuming he lied about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 03:15 PM
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Oh, OK. But focusing on the sex compared to what you have now confuses me. Either the casual sex is a problem, or your sex life is a problem, but why link the two that way? I think you're overly fixated on the use of "kinky" as an indicator that the only problem is that Billy is bored with his current sex life. Ultimately, both issues are about values underlying the past behavior, i.e. how that past behavior reflects on who your partner is as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 03:11 PM
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I personally think it's a 100% safe bet to say that if you're not repulsed, nobody is. This is really easy to prove wrong by polling people on repulsiveness. They don't all agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 03:04 PM
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There are things that could shatter our relationship but I think we could work past this if we wanted to. If he's not still using them, why would there be anything to work past at all? Assuming he is still disease-free and is not less able to provide you with the intimacy you want, how does it affect you or your relationship at all? The only issue is that he confided some irrelevant part of his past that you're judging him for.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 03:02 PM
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I would never have gotten with a prostitute if I didn't think she was attracted to me. Are you really naive enough to think you can tell that a prostitute is actually attracted to you and not faking it, when they're professional fakers? She's attracted to your wallet.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 02:59 PM
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I see conflicting positions. the "hot kinky sex" she had in the past doesn't matter here, what matters is whether or not you're sexually satisfied in the current relationship. So sex she had in the past doesn't matter, only whether the current relationship is satisfying. Whether she had casual sex for the sake of sex with various Chads (even if Billy wants sex for intimacy) doesn't matter. Only current relationship satisfaction matters. That fact that she's unwilling to open up herself sexually …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 02:52 PM
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Women try to keep orbiters around for non-sexual benefits. They run the fuck away from stalkers. Sounds like this guy was just an incel.
/r/TheRedPill10/06/17 02:51 PM
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Good advice. I do this anyway. I'm awful at replying to texts because I'm busy enough living life and doing more important, productive things. Sometimes I ghost by accident. Why do people wait to text in the first place? It signals high value. Why does it signal high value? It's not because you know the rule that you're supposed to wait. It's because high value people are too busy to bother replying right away anyway. If you don't have better things to do than her, you're doing life wrong.
/r/TheRedPill02/06/17 07:12 PM
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I was raised by a single mother too. She meant well, but gave me all the wrong advice for how to grow into a man. I kept trying to be a "good boy", until I had the revelation that the kind of son a mother wants is VERY DIFFERENT from the kind of man a woman wants to fuck. Best thing I ever did for myself was moving out at 18 for college. As soon as I got away from home and started being influenced by other people more than my mother, it all came together. Incels: there's a reason everyone makes …
/r/TheRedPill29/05/17 02:53 PM
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Studies show this generation of college kids is actually having less sex than the past few generations. Since this is the age of "sex is for fun" and "slut shaming is bad", there's no way these girls would be hiding their n-counts any more than previous generations. When you ask your exes (girls who are easy to game and DTF without LMR), you're getting an extremely biased sample of the hot girls most likely to put out. The girls with low n counts are also not fucking you, so you're not finding o…
/r/TheRedPill28/05/17 05:21 AM
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No, the very first time you brought it up I said "No, but I left them." Then you continued to question it. Yes, but this argument was about how the very first time I brought it up, it was supposed to answer your question about men's commitment. At that point I hadn't yet known you left them all. But with the information I had at the time it was still an answer to your question (just not a satisfying one, since it doesn't apply in your case). Are you kidding? As a Rper, you genuinely believe men …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 08:09 AM
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I specifically told you I was the one to end it, so this doesn't follow. It didn't last at my choosing, not theirs. You only told me that AFTER I said that. The point was that INITIALLY it seemed to answer your question. Given you dumped them all, it doesn't, so I had to extend it to other men. In general, the guy often breaks it off. Not all guys with options are dumped 100% of the time (you are an exception). In those cases, his commitment faded. How hard is that to see? I take it you're not v…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 07:02 AM
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How exactly did that answer the question. The question was "do men with abundance mentality experience the same alleged lack of commitment as women do?" My response (abbreviated): "If they're not still with you now, sounds like their commitment to you didn't last." In other words, these men you knew with abundance had a similar lack of commitment. In other words, yes they do. OP neither defines commitment, nor does the linked thread. It appears you are using your own definition, which apparently…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 05:54 AM
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You didn't? I gave the example of how it applies to men too, which implies "yes". Did I have to spell out "yes I am agreeing with your question"? I don't agree that that means less "committed." That's because you're using your own definition of "less committed" instead of the one used in the OP. Your analogy has to match. Yeah, ok, but is he breaking up because he knows he has options or for normal run of the mill reasons people break up? People don't just break up because, meh, other options. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 04:28 AM
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No sexual guidance from parents. My dad was a marriedCel: incel by today's standards, only found a virgin marriage through "old world methods". He couldn't keep his marriage long, then only fucked prostitutes for the remainder of his life. He had 0 SMV and no sexual strategy to offer. My mother never talked to me about sex. Too weird in Asian families. She's traditional and has only slept with her two husbands, so she knows jack shit herself. She just said "one day girls will like you", as thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 04:15 AM
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And I'd still like you to answer the question posed: if women, just by virtue of having allegedly more abundance mentality than men (when it comes to LTRs, not just sex, because we are talking about LTRs), than why is it guys with options, i.e, guys with LTR abundance mentality, don't seem any less committed? How is that not a comparable circumstance? Not sure how you could not understand that I already answered it. If they have as many or more options than you, then it is comparable, and those …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 04:01 AM
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And here's what I will pose to you: the men I've dated, they all had options, every one of them. I never felt they were less committed, they never showed less commitment. So tell me how is it that different for men with options than it is for women with options? You're not still with those men, are you? Sounds like they're probably with some of their other options. If they're not still with you now, sounds like their commitment to you didn't last. RP men aren't talking about monogamy only during…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 03:00 AM
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It's also nonsense that ALL marriages are ruined the moment a woman starts thinking of someone else, if that was the case, there would be no happy marriages That doesn't make it nonsense. It just makes it incompatible to believe both that marriages are ruined when a woman's thoughts stray AND that happy marriages exist. But RPers do not believe both. Most don't believe in happy marriages, seeing marriage as a futile endeavour, preferring plate-spinning. It's consistent. Most TRPers started off w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 02:36 AM
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Some will stay with the first job out of loyalty, commitment to the company team and mission. Company loyalty used to mean something 50-100 years ago. But today such loyalty is rare. When options are plentiful, employees take off to the most appealing option. People are fickle and seek short-term gain, the 10 birds in the bush. The analogy could be drawn with romantic commitment. Romantic loyalty also means less today than 50-100 years ago. Even after a "lifelong" marriage commitment, there's a …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 02:30 AM
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Hey, let the beta impress women with his money. No hating.
/r/TheRedPill26/05/17 12:57 AM
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"Being able to generate dank memes" does NOT, as far as I can see, correlate with "Being competent at running a country/government". True, but being able to win an election also doesn't correlate to "being competent at running a country/government". Politicking skills have very little overlap with management skills and overall competence.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 03:21 PM
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90% of everything is crap. False. 100% of crap is crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 03:18 PM
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If you're setting your national political leadership direction based on "which side has the dankest memes" you're going to have a bad time. It predicted the US and UK outcomes better than the top pollsters could. But lack of "immune response" may explain the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 03:14 PM
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Do you think the generally lower tension between men and women in your country has an impact on the political leanings of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 03:00 PM
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US alt-righters tried to swing the election with hacks on Macron, meme power, and so on. But the movement couldn't influence the French electorate the way similar media influenced the American electorate. The question is why? Is it just because more people in the US and UK are "gullible morons" susceptible to "fake news"? Does that movement only have influence among English speakers? Does that movement have less influence in France because the SMP is healthier and so men don't participate in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 02:53 PM
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It never looked like this. That's where you're wrong. Le Pen was on a good run, and the polls far underestimated the impact of alt-right in both US and UK. But yes, the right in France is small. Also, politics are far more than TRP vs TBP. Ever seen how many Donald supporters use the word "cuck"? Politics are more complicated than TRP vs TBP, but the alt-right movement has a strong overlap with redpillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 02:26 PM
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What's absurd about truth? Guess you just don't get it.
/r/TheRedPill14/04/17 08:51 PM
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Yeah. Dont be the guy desperate for group attention. Too needy. Wait. Only play if they ask. Keep it modest and just play one thing really well, then pass it on. Never play sappy shit in a group. Especially Wonderwall (that shit is both cliche and beginner and will impress no one). Play metal. Or something else that's upbeat and shows more skills than feels.
/r/TheRedPill14/04/17 08:37 PM
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They are compassionate to Chad. And relatives, children, some other women, some men. They're not compassionate to orbiters or random fuckbuddies. I know they're capable because I've received a metric fuckton of compassion from women. So much that exes stay in touch and console me even when I'm seeing other women! Women like definitions and stick to familiar roles. If you're a friend, she's not gonna fuck you for inherent goodness ("friend zone"). If you're a "boyfriend", she expects boyfriend du…
/r/TheRedPill14/04/17 08:07 PM
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You know that some STDs aren't curable and that condoms don't provide 100% protection.... Having plates is good. Racing n count past 200 as fast as possible reeks of post-incel insecurity.
/r/TheRedPill21/03/17 04:19 PM
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No one's saying AWALT is completely wrong or doesn't have value as a tool. They're saying it's an exaggeration and doesn't preclude the existence of unicorns. Because AWALT is not meant to be taken literally. Exceptions can and do exist (the topic of this thread). In other words, there ARE quality women out there. Then you get the fucking mindless sheep jumping on here to call people blue-pilled, crying that ALL WALT, I've seen shit, they all sluts. Except real RP theory even states AWALT is not…
/r/TheRedPill21/03/17 04:13 PM
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Of course you'll be shocked on this sub. There's major confirmation bias. Guys are only going to report the extremely whoreish cases. You don't get FRs about every prude not putting out. I've bedded many 8s and 9s with low n-count in 20s. I am friends with others. I know they exist. The women who are still on the dating market in their 40s are going to have high n-count. They're sexually active and never settled down? How many times did they ride the CC over 25 years?
/r/TheRedPill21/03/17 12:46 AM
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Just like they don't ask if you know that the wine you're drinking is shit. You mean always. Restaurants overcharge for wine you can get at 1/5 the price from the vendor, then bank on how most customers will assume something is good just because it costs a lot. Most of the wine on the menu is shit. They'll still overcharge you for it and never tell you. They usually don't ask at expensive places, they just assume the man will pay or that it's together. The classy way around this is to get up to …
/r/TheRedPill20/03/17 09:45 PM
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You fool. I'm not arguing against AWALT. I was arguing against the other guy saying AWALT is not an exaggeration. Of course it's an exaggeration. He was taking it literally, using solipsistic butthurt personal experience. His personal experience doesn't mean literally AWALT. It's just a principle. Quality women still exist. I got upvoted by the people who realized that.
/r/TheRedPill20/03/17 09:07 PM
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It's not just the HB5s. If vengefully_incel can't bed HB8s with <20 n-count, his game and SMV is weak. Just because every hot girl you meet is a slut with poor impulse control doesn't mean every hottie is like that. Those are just the easy lays, who you'll find on Tinder and at bars and frat parties all the time.
/r/TheRedPill20/03/17 08:44 PM
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Good, at least some RPers are properly woke, not butthurt exagger-baters. not every woman does just because she can. This. The circle jerk of "all women participate in Mandingo parties" is poisonous to your mental health. Also this. That circle jerk is most of the incels sub.
/r/TheRedPill20/03/17 08:37 PM
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When someone else is saying "Dude AWALT isnt an exaggeration", I'm not the one who can't read between the lines.
/r/TheRedPill20/03/17 05:52 AM
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Oh, so RP is only for guys who have to all agree on everything and can't accept alternate theories as a means to self-improvement and male empowerment?
/r/TheRedPill20/03/17 05:50 AM
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Ive seen and experienced a lot of shit. That doesn't mean AWALT. Just SWALT (some women are like that), or MWALT (many women are like that), or TWIMIMLALT (the women I've met in my life are like that).
/r/TheRedPill20/03/17 05:06 AM
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you hook up, catch some feelings No. You are doing hookups wrong.
/r/TheRedPill20/03/17 04:26 AM
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This. Dudes like to think they're special. The HB9000 put out for you because you are a magical flower, a bright shining star. Her putting out is a measure of your superior value and skill and mastery of all that is TRP. Sorry bro. Often it's just that she's horny and would fuck you or any other somewhat attractive guy. Especially on Tinder or at a bar. "Easy come, easy go." If you bedded her after 5 min of Tinder, she's putting out for other guys too.
/r/TheRedPill20/03/17 04:25 AM
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"Here is $100,000/year for 20 years while I don't get to fuck you" is not an appropriate response.
/r/TheRedPill19/03/17 07:03 PM
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I'm really tired of stupid comments that replace "red pill" with masculine Only a major beta would confuse the two, so overwhelmed by RP masculinity that he internally blurs the two together. ("The red pill will make me more of a man!" instead of "The red pill will show me a truth"). But this sub is full of betas in wolfskin clothing.
/r/TheRedPill13/03/17 04:40 AM
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No, internal confidence only stems from external validation because our generation got coddled by parents and teachers. We got constant external validation growing up and became dependent on it to succeed, needing participation trophies to not cry after a baseball game. Then as grown men, chumps still need external praise and reassurance to feel worthwhile. There's no reason it has to come from external validation. Previous generations had to be scrappier, accept the ups and downs of life withou…
/r/TheRedPill10/03/17 04:45 PM
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If you're asking this question, part of you already KNOWS it's too beta. You're looking for reassurance or validation. Which is also beta. Don't do it.
/r/askTRP07/03/17 02:18 AM
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We argued about this few times Why were you arguing? Were you trying to keep her as a debate partner, or someone to fuck? If the latter, you're going about it the wrong way. I was saw her phone browser history after first fight and she legitimately googled: "why my boyfriend doesn't let me hang with my guy friends" If you made her feel this way, you fucked something up long before. You have two options. You can accept she may spend time with other guys and just let it go. Or you can try to argue…
/r/askTRP07/03/17 01:40 AM
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Since he already told them he knew me and he already asked for their numbers, I was rendered powerless, so I had to slunk away with my tail between my legs. No. You rendered yourself powerless. Your "friend" saw you were taking too long, smelled opportunity, and seized the moment. You chose to be a wimp and cower away with your panties in a bunch. When he asked for their phone numbers, here are some ways you could have handled it: "Hey bro, long time. How's your wife?" whisper very loudly "I tho…
/r/askTRP07/03/17 01:21 AM
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Isolation is good for looking pretty (good luck trying to convince me that's not also lifting for "ego"). Compound movements are better for building real functional strength (e.g. for sport, work). Otherwise you end up with muscle that may look big but can't do anything, due to lack of support muscles. If your goal is to just lie still on the beach and look shredded, keep at it.
/r/TheRedPill05/03/17 02:58 PM
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I've never EVER worn a condom, and rarely pulled out. Herpes (and possible child support) may be what's cucked you since then.
/r/TheRedPill05/03/17 03:57 AM
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Stop cheating with flys and machine assisted exercises. Instead of making excuses, use free weights to build those stabilizers, correct imbalances, and focus on increasing your bench.
/r/TheRedPill04/03/17 05:08 PM
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Next day you took her to the beach? Don't hang out too often. Keep a distance. Also, buy condoms. It's not a big deal.
/r/TheRedPill04/03/17 05:01 PM
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It only proves a point if you successfully challenged the integrity of her statement. If your challenge failed, it doesn't prove anything and isn't postworthy.
/r/TheRedPill04/03/17 02:15 AM
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What happened after that in the conversation? Did it continue? Did she fuck you? You realize that could have meant "thanks for being blunt, now I know you want to hookup so I can filter you out"? Unless you actually fucked her, doesn't mean jack. That screencap doesn't prove she changed her mind about hookups.
/r/TheRedPill03/03/17 04:38 PM
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Exactly. It's Alpha Fucks, not Alpha Gets His Feelings Coddled.
/r/TheRedPill03/03/17 04:07 PM
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This is what's so fucking unrealistic about the expectations certain women have. No, it's what's unrealistic about the unshakeable frame RP makes you project from the beginning. If that's the persona you sell to the woman and she chose you for it, that's what she expects you to be. You got laid for it and now you have to stick to your guns. That's why RP is not meant for monogamous LTR. It's just to get plates. Sustaining that image doesn't work long-term. You're selling her a shallow 1-D cardbo…
/r/TheRedPill03/03/17 03:46 PM
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I'll give you an example - I was struggling to close a big deal for work and it was clearly stressing me out. When I came home to one of my plates that night, I wasn't that confident, dominating figure she always saw. She kept prying for the issue. I told her its work. When I dropped her off the next day and she told me that I was different. I wasn't the big bad motherfucker that she knows. A few days later she told me that it might be better for me to "go find myself first". Here's the issue. W…
/r/TheRedPill03/03/17 02:14 PM
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This is major cope. I'm glad it works for you to get you that confidence, but a strong alpha doesnt need that. You'll get there one day bro. Keep at it. Ever see a group of girls flip through Tinder? They make fun of guys profiles constantly. Tearing other people down helps them feel superior and detached so that if they get rejected their self esteem doesn't get all mangled and cause them to devour buckets of cookie dough. It's a defense mechanism. They need to do it because they're insecure an…
/r/TheRedPill27/02/17 03:13 PM
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I didn't say Womens Studies PHD. To be successful at those careers, you need some practical smarts on top of book smarts. We are also talking about women, who can't be blue-pilled or cucked. Most women I bother to keep as friends have careers like that. If it's a rarity for you, maybe that's a reflection of the quality of women you pursued in your blue pill days? Of course some instagram whore is going to cuck you if she can. Why are you pursuing average women?
/r/TheRedPill27/02/17 03:05 PM
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He inherited his fortune from his father. Anyone can be born into extreme wealth. That's just luck. As a businessman, he didn't do that well relative to what he started with.
/r/TheRedPill27/02/17 02:19 PM
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You nailed it. He's an alpha, but a dumb one. Alpha is just about dominance, not overall worth or other merit. Ideally a man should strive for both. But you can also be alpha and ignorant. Trump exemplifies pursuing alpha status without the other stuff.
/r/TheRedPill22/02/17 08:19 PM
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Putting on a pedestal is fucking stupid. No one should do this. Abundance is one way to avoid putting her on a pedestal. But emotional maturity / security is another. You can not text her every 5 min because you have other plates to text, or you can not text her every 5 min because you are satisfied with your life and don't need to text anyone to have a sense of self worth. IMO the latter makes abundance even easier. Then you don't have to fake it to make it. It just happens. Otherwise you're st…
/r/TheRedPill22/02/17 08:10 PM
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This makes me think you're just being undiscerning and gaming the wrong women. Or poor judges of character and worth. My female friends are lawyers, engineers, PhDs, business professionals, bankers, entrepreneurs. Their education did not stop at 21. Their minds did not stop thinking, they think of consequences, work hard in their careers. And they're still hot. Where are you finding these shallow bimbos? If it's because they're the easiest lays, maybe there's a reason for that... those are low v…
/r/TheRedPill22/02/17 08:03 PM
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Great post bruh. Insightful.
/r/TheRedPill19/02/17 12:32 AM
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If you're worried about someone reading this and doing something a bit risky Actually, that's my main beef with FRs encouraging questionable game. Validating them can backfire. If you read my first post criticizing him, it was about how I could grab a stranger and force a kiss and get kissed but that's not "game". Being denied the kiss is also a lesson OP would have learned A friend is less likely to deny, even if she's not into it. What works on a friend may not work on a stranger, meaning he c…
/r/TheRedPill19/02/17 12:01 AM
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Why not just let him be happy? His main move is to grab her head and force a kiss. Now that works if you've gamed her properly before and she's already horny. But if you don't do it right and grab a girl who's not interested and not an old friend, that can REALLY backfire. Drink thrown in face, pepper spray, barfight, even sexual assault allegations. So telling other newbies online to go do that is really fucking dangerous. It's a high risk move if we don't know for sure she liked it, not someth…
/r/TheRedPill18/02/17 11:36 PM
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Hahaha true RP for 16 year olds: Become a drug dealer
/r/TheRedPill18/02/17 11:27 PM
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We can only go by what OP wrote. Yeah. It's just that OP is obviously a "trainee", and "trainees" tend to misinterpret things. Imagine if a kid playing violin never saw an instructor and only posted "field reports" online, everyone telling him he was awesome without hearing what he sounded like, just believing his own description of it. And he just kept doing his thing and believing he was awesome. Yeah, sure, he has great frame and self-confidence. But he may sound like shit and never get good …
/r/TheRedPill18/02/17 10:23 PM
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He melted her cuntiness with frame Proof? She didn't try to slip him her number, grind up on him, kiss him again, or anything. Sounds like she wasn't turned on. The best she did was not pepperspray him for forcing a kiss, something many bar girls are indifferent to without being turned on.
/r/TheRedPill18/02/17 09:21 PM
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he said "she loved it". But nothing else happened with her after. So how does he know? Could be self-delusion (like when rookie guys think the girl enjoyed bad sex). Maybe she said "fuck it" and went along with it because they were friends (kissing isn't a big deal) but would have pepper sprayed him otherwise? Or maybe she was indifferent to kissing friends at bars (many girls are) but wouldn't have gone further? She didn't flirt with him after. No come ons. No further kissing. No #. Nothing. Th…
/r/TheRedPill18/02/17 09:17 PM
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I'm not a nihilist, but in general the goal is to act in accordance with your principles This. Who gives a fuck what the rest think.
/r/TheRedPill18/02/17 09:02 PM
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What stops you from letting the world know you enjoy sex? Nothing. Women and men in my life are quite aware of this. What stops you from using women for your benefit? I do, sometimes. Sometimes you don't need to. It's not always a choice between women using beta men or men using women. What stops you from ensuring your always being seen in the best light possible even when your underlying motives are less then pure? It's even better when you live entirely consistent with your beliefs. Nothing to…
/r/TheRedPill18/02/17 08:59 PM
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She pretends to act offended and comes up to me, puts her car key at the base of my neck (like she's pretending to stab me) with this big smile on her face and shes like "I'll fuck you up." Instead of my normal beta self, who would have just said some stupid comment and turned her off completely, I just grabbed her head and went for the K-close. and she loved it. everyone ended up leaving not too long after that and we all parted ways. I wasn't interested in making her a plate so I didn't bother…
/r/TheRedPill18/02/17 08:11 PM
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Hooking up with random women, occasionally having a fun night out, traveling and enjoying a foreign culture, exploring worthwhile hobbies that enrich your life, making new friends, and enjoying life in general. OK, the travel and foreign exchange is for rich kids. Are you trying to tell me only rich kids could make friends in college, hook up with women, go to the occasional party, and explore hobbies?
/r/TheRedPill18/02/17 06:47 PM
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Hooking up with random women, occasionally having a fun night out, traveling and enjoying a foreign culture, exploring worthwhile hobbies that enrich your life, making new friends, and enjoying life in general. How is this a lie? Most people do these things in college, and it is carefree fun. But you don't have to. You can keep going past 25. It's just easier to before 25: your body can take more abuse, you don't have as many responsibilities, and you're surrounded by hot 20 year old girls more …
/r/TheRedPill18/02/17 06:32 PM
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can you sit by my side, I have to tell you something. She was like, "no, you can tell me from here, I feel comfortable sitting on this chair". I was like, "what the fuck, can you just come please", and she was "nah, nah, let's just be a little creative and do it over messaging app". Yeah, she wasn't going to sit next to you because your crush was already obvious. She knew. She was trying to avoid dealing with a Stage 5 Clinger IRL, or you trying to kiss her. And I wrote her the message "Hey, I a…
/r/TheRedPill18/02/17 05:52 PM
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Most likely a troll. Although 18 year old girls trading sex for drugs is really common.
/r/TheRedPill18/02/17 05:51 PM
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Several months ago I went to see my crush friend and to go on a rock festival with her. I stopped reading after this. Too much cringe already.
/r/TheRedPill18/02/17 05:44 PM
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We're not going to actually watch the videos but we might click on one to see what he's talking about, confirm that he's getting that many views and making money. That in itself is a smart lead strategy. Maybe not on TRP but on the internet in general. "Hey check out how much money I'm making on YouTube. If you do something like me, you could too." People with no interest in Star Wars will click for 10 seconds to check out his claim, and that's enough for him to collect ad revenue.
/r/TheRedPill17/02/17 06:03 AM
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I know traditional pick up convention says to immediately move to face to face, but through my experience these girls will not meet you unless you warm yourself up. Advice that works on promiscuous 25 year olds doesn't necessarily work on conservative 16 year olds... If they need you to build comfort, escalate in stages from Tinder to texting, then from texting to phone calls, then from phone calls to FaceTime. That way you're still progressing things, not just texting forever, but in a way that…
/r/TheRedPill16/02/17 08:31 PM
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I was skeptical of this too, but check out his page. He posts a lot of content and most are in the 200K - 2M views range. Also, he 100% posted this on RP not to encourage young RPers but to incite skepticism as a shameless self-plug to get more views on his page. I wonder where else he does this too. Not bad, kid.
/r/TheRedPill16/02/17 08:19 PM
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The date sounds awkward as fuck. She showed up an hour late (intentional disrespect to get you back). You both sat in awkward silence without touching or anything for half the movie. Then mediocre sex. In your shoes I'd be embarassed and hide that shit from my friends. If a guy's in a similar situation and it's not V-day and she's not desperate for action, imho he should try to ease tensions sooner, with a drink or jokes or light conversation. You want to flip it to a positive zone and escalate …
/r/TheRedPill16/02/17 08:13 AM
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Ok, so as a non-incel with some experience, do you really think you got laid because you did shit right, or because she was just desperate for the D and going to put out no matter what? Post title should be "How Valentine's Day saved my date".
/r/TheRedPill16/02/17 07:35 AM
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I treat her better for last 2 weeks Elaborate. I think your idea of "better" may not have been better, or even what she was asking for. Take some time to analyze this and reflect. In other threads, guys think "opening up" means whining about insecurities about whether she loves him enough and sharing obsessive petty jealousy over other men. No, that's not the kind of intimacy she was looking for.
/r/TheRedPill16/02/17 07:11 AM
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"Ok, nice knowing you. Best we both move on." If she doesn't feel attraction to you anymore, there is no way to "talk" that up. You can't explain away how you are attractive. If it's gone, just drop it. The more you try to talk to her, the less she'll respect you - for trying to logic her into tingles.
/r/TheRedPill16/02/17 07:10 AM
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Well, congrats on getting laid. Former incel? Glad to hear you had fun, but I hope other guys aren't using this as a model for advice.
/r/TheRedPill16/02/17 06:56 AM
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There is very little to learn from here though. See the comments with more upvotes. After she swiped right, replied to his first few messages and gave out her digits, she already wants to hook up with him. The rest is logistics. You guys use way too much confirmation bias in coming up with tips from your field reports. "I did this and got laid, therefore it's good game" when the reality is often that she wanted to fuck either way. Women usually decide whether they want to do you way before anyth…
/r/TheRedPill16/02/17 03:17 AM
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Who said I was the only one ever spending money on dates (answer: I'm not) or that she is the only one getting pampered? I fucking love eating pretentious food and wrecking hotel beds. I'd pay for that shit for myself. Realistically I am mostly paying for myself, since I eat more of the meal and drink 70% of the bottle. Company of a beautiful woman and a night of sex is just a bonus. Spoiling BOTH of you is not validation. It's called having fun. I would never do such a date if I didn't enjoy it…
/r/TheRedPill15/02/17 05:27 PM
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Does not have time at all or doesn't have time for you? To succeed with women, learn to read between the lines. They don't always speak as literally and directly as male incels.
/r/TheRedPill14/02/17 08:36 PM
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Sounds like you make a lot less money... In that case, go for the $15 date. Like I said, you don't NEED to spend money to earn her affection. But if you've got enough fun money to spare, it can be fun.
/r/TheRedPill14/02/17 08:10 PM
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This. I think spoiling your SO can be fun, positive, and improve your connection. As long as you're not doing it to buy sex or try to prove yourself worthy. But it can be fun to pamper her (and yourself) at an expensive restaurant, take a bottle of champagne back to a hotel room, get tipsy and fuck like rabbits without needing to clean up.
/r/TheRedPill14/02/17 09:43 AM
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8 years ago tomorrow, I bought flowers and chocolates for a girl I had been friends with for maybe 2 or 3 weeks, wasn't even dating or fucking, thinking that would be the way to win her over. Other than TRP, the only places I ever see such colossally dumb decisions are incels and MGTOW. Who does this? Why would you make someone you're not even with yet your valentine? I'll admit I once bought flowers and chocolate for a girl early on... after fucking her hard for 2-3 weeks. Otherwise, I skip the…
/r/TheRedPill14/02/17 09:41 AM
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Some of you are like me. TRP is your first ever introduction into the world of dating WTF? You've never dated before TRP? Ever? How common is that here?
/r/TheRedPill13/02/17 05:22 PM
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I am sorely tempted to say that actual proof of a false allegation should carry the same sentence the guy accused was facing False allegations of other crimes (e.g. murder) aren't met with the same sentence as the crime. However, the state can charge someone with perjury and obstruction of justice for wasting taxpayer money chasing lies. In the future, this may happen. Right now prosecutors are afraid to do this because they don't want to deter real victims from stepping forward (real victims ar…
/r/TheRedPill30/12/16 07:09 PM
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I do not see seminars at universities about not becoming a murderer or the next big serial killer. Universities introduced these courses not because they believe all male students are rapists, but because they want to avoid any legal liability and bad PR for rapes on campus that could be blamed on "campus rape culture" given all the recent media attention. If they give a mandatory course on consent, then the school is seen as taking appropriate measures to fight rape culture and can't be deemed …
/r/TheRedPill30/12/16 06:54 PM
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This is not by design, but by practicality, because intoxicated sexual activity is so common. It's not that she has the right to withdraw consent after. She can't consent drunk, period. In either case there was never consent. Technically, Chad's gf couldn't consent to sex with Chad either. It's just that Chad's gf is unlikely to press charges, but someone might press charges if you fuck some random drunk girl. Technically an old woman with dementia can't consent to sex either, but the state won'…
/r/TheRedPill30/12/16 05:38 PM
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Yeah, you don't want people's lives ruined from false accusations. The problem is a trial's outcome doesn't really tell you whether the accusation was false. A trial isn't some focus group expert panel where they deliberate over evidence to decide whether or not rape happened. The purpose of the trial is to determine whether the state has presented a strong enough case to violate a person's individual rights and lock him up without public outcry of a totalitarian police state. If a jury of peers…
/r/TheRedPill30/12/16 05:18 PM
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Most don't. But in any group there can be a minority of extremist nutbags, so anything is possible.
/r/TheRedPill30/12/16 04:45 PM
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You know what's even worse than speaking from personal experience or making an argument that might have holes? Not making a point at all, resorting to "that was too stupid to respond to." Personal attacks are the weapon of people who have no thoughts to contribute.
/r/TheRedPill30/12/16 04:33 PM
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Ah, don't misunderstand me, I agree about the casual part making it suspicious. Some true victims will disclose to close friends in confidence. They're doubtful to go public about it without filing a police report though, absolutely. I just meant that not all true victims will file reports either. But if they're all over the media and not filing reports, highly suspicious.
/r/TheRedPill22/12/16 09:49 AM
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Many people who are really raped don't report it to the police though, so how is that test useful? Let's step back from the heated issue of men vs feminists and false rape accusations and refer to a different issue. What about men who are raped in prison or molested by priests as altar boys? Do 100% of them come forward to the police right away? Or ever? No. Why? Think about it. Wouldn't the same reasons apply to some female rape victims? Or are women somehow supposed to be more rational than me…
/r/TheRedPill22/12/16 02:49 AM
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Real rapists don't make love to their victims in the comfort of home. They take them violently in outside environments and leave evidence of a struggle. Are you trolling or joking?
/r/TheRedPill22/12/16 02:41 AM
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broadened the definition of "rape" to include sexual contact that she regrets the next day No, the official definition still does not include that. It's strictly rooted in consent, which can only be withdrawn before or during but not after. For this "day after regret" stuff, you're conflating two issues: when consent did or did not ACTUALLY occur (i.e. the objective truth) and our inability to know what truly happened because we're only hearing people's stories (i.e. subjectivity, possible lies …
/r/TheRedPill22/12/16 02:21 AM
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Yes. And most mosques already do that through religious teachings saying murder is wrong. Christians teach kids murder, adultery and other things are sins. They can be taught this morality lesson without kicking and screaming that they're being called murderers and adulterers. Investment bankers and traders now have to take ethics courses. Not all of them are going to do shady illegal shit, but it covers bases by at least trying to teach them the difference, for the few idiots who might try to c…
/r/TheRedPill22/12/16 01:30 AM
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Very good point. Most humans are irrational or not always consistent about risk. (Economists have confirmed this in many studies trying to model behavior in markets). People fear terrorism so much even though they are much more likely to die in a car accident and many other causes than in a terrorist attack, yet we take fewer precautions against these other real risks. Human behavior is a poor metric for whether a risk is high.
/r/TheRedPill22/12/16 01:12 AM
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I also thank you for a well reasoned discussion, not always common. Yeah, different definition of coming forward. I meant not to police but media, campus organizations, feminists, etc. False accusers are attention seekers. By definition their goal is to tell. Real victims don't always. The reason rape is difficult to prove (and you can confirm this by speaking with any prosecutor) is twofold: it happens behind closed doors (lack of witnesses) AND it hinges on the issue of consent. The double wha…
/r/TheRedPill22/12/16 12:42 AM
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That's a loaded argument filled with solipsism, assuming women would all respond to information a certain way because that's the only response you can understand. In truth, humans are complex, young people are reckless, and many take risks if the reward is high enough. Let's assume for now that 1/5 of women had been raped. That's over a lifetime. Some from frat parties, some at clubs, some on dates gone wrong, some on the street, some by perverted family members when they were kids, some my angr…
/r/TheRedPill22/12/16 12:03 AM
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So by your logic, if a man is not found guilty of rape in court and sentenced, no rape occurred? You realize that's not even how the justice system works, right, and that judges will acknowledge this in their statements.
/r/TheRedPill21/12/16 11:43 PM
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Interesting. Higher up in my post I stated that 100% of false accusers come forward but only some true victims come forward. This biases the numbers both ways. For example, if someone is claiming 10% of women are raped, 6/10 of them might be lying, but there might be another 6% of women who were really raped but didn't press charges. Or more than 6%. Or less. It's so hard to know. So on the one hand, we know false accusations are a real problem, but rape could also be a widespread problem too. T…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/16 10:08 PM
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No no, I am not at any time saying that if someone actually commits rape that this is in any way excusable. A rape victim is obviously not a criminal (and therefore has no judicial punishment), but refusing to acknowledge that she made stupid decisions, and supporting her and other women making exactly the same stupid decisions going forward. That seems to be what we are doing, though. Alright, this is an important distinction. And you'd think this would be obvious, not need qualifying. The prob…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/16 09:50 PM
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Yes, that is a problem. But you talk about rape victims, but the problem is all the women who are not victims but pretend to be. The point was that the real victims have to get proxy power through these third parties, but the third parties gain more power themselves by failing to weed out the pretend victims, thus the only way real victims can get support for now is by letting the feminists give credence to these false victims too. And so the falsehood spreads. But it starts with the real victim…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/16 09:34 PM
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The point is that the likelihood of a woman saying she has been raped when no such thing happened, is much larger than you would've thought in advance. Well, this depends on your reference point, what you believed in advance. I'd have assumed most RP guys would have already believed many accusations were false. This isn't the first thread about false rape accusations. Given the argument above, is the likelihood really greater than what those people believed before? There's only evidence and conj…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/16 09:23 PM
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That in turn helps actual victims. Yes, in full agreement with you on this. Perhaps the problem is that the rape victims are not the lead feminists or the press. The lead feminists and press have power, at least the power to sway public opinion and influence policy. Victims only have proxy power by appealing to these people to advocate for them. The problem is that things achieved through proxy power come with strings attached, and can be warped. The feminist movement leaders themselves don't ha…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/16 09:19 PM
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you just bypassed full retard and went straight to potato Do you think throwing insults around makes you seem more alpha? Alpha men can stay calm and have a rational debate. Your feelings are flying around everywhere like a little bitch. Learn to control that shit. Wow, do you have aspergers or something? "Regret sex" is rape now, don't you get that? You clearly don't Some feminists call "regret sex" "rape", which is different from them being objectively the same thing. If you prefer, let's divi…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/16 09:03 PM
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No, your argument doesn't hold. Because while it is certainly true that men do risky things like mountain climbing or skydiving, you will never hear a man who is injured doing these things claiming to be a victim whom society should protect by making mountains safer or the ground less hard. And we do think that he has nobody to blame but himself. If a man gets liver problems because of heavy drinking, again we don't think that it isn't his fault, that he is just a helpless victim. He brought it …
/r/TheRedPill21/12/16 08:55 PM
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I don't think you know what those mean... You accused me of warping regret sex into actual rape, which I didn't so, hence a Strawman. You made a lame attempt to discredit me based on background ("is that what they teach you in feminist school"), which is an Ad Hominem. I put forth an example of what i was talking about and you went off like a jackass about actual rape, which nobody is confused about. The other guy was able to redirect without acting like a jackass. Clearly you weren't. Says a lo…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/16 08:46 PM
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Nobody says the attacker should be absolved in cases of genuine, non-consensual, rape I would have thought this would be obvious, without qualifying it. But then buddy here goes and overreacts to it, even when I qualify I'm not talking about regret sex. for putting themselves into a situation where it was bloody obvious to a brain-dead caterpiller that they should have simply avoided the situation. It is called 'acting responsibly', and god forbid that we should demand that women do that. That's…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/16 08:31 PM
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Angry much? You must have been quite a cuck before swallowing RP. Then you went on to do what so many cucks and feminists try to do, you take an example of regret sex (which is rape these days) and try to warp it into actual rape, its a very unoriginal strawman argument. Do they teach that in feminist studies ? You just used Strawman, Ad hominem,... Yawn. No, I'm talking about actual rape, not warping regret sex into rape, lame attempt at a deflection. Do you believe 0 rapes happen at frat parti…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/16 08:17 PM
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It’s commonly reported that frat parties are where college girls go to get raped. If the number of rapes were true, would it not stand to reason that women could easily avoid these dens of rape? Yes but feminists are retarded. Humans are retarded. Why does anyone still smoke? The evidence has been out there for years. People don't all avoid something just because they know there could be risks. Say you live in a bad neighborhood and you take a 100 dollar bill and leave it on your door step. What…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/16 08:01 PM
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That makes some level of sense, if we assumed that rape was the one crime victims didn’t want to report. It IS the one crime where whether a crime was committed relies entirely on credibility of the victim's testimony, due to the unique aspect of "consent" that is not present in other major crimes. That makes it substantially harder to prove. It's easy to prove sex happened. It's harder to prove it was nonconsensual. But you don't have to prove a murder victim didn't consent to murder... Most ot…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/16 07:42 PM
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I liked where you went with this post. I don't think proxy power is inherently a bad thing. Children use it too. It's the only way for people who are physically and mentally weaker to get a fair shot at having their needs met over people. It's only bad when a society doles out proxy power to such extremes that it incentivizes exaggerations of victimhood. Ayn Rand nailed the consequences of such extremes in Atlas Shrugged. Still, I'm troubled by this: My point in this thought experiment is that t…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/16 07:21 PM
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My point still remains that if the very small number of men who are committing these crimes have managed to affect half of all women, then this small number of men must be very, very busy and have managed to get half of the women they know into a private place to commit such crimes. If they do get off on it, it stands to reason each rapist would go around raping as many women as possible, so you would only need a small number of rapists to leave a large number of victims. If they are good at hid…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/16 05:55 PM
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Great post. I've also been "sexually assaulted" and "sexually harassed" many times in life, even at work. But I never felt threatened by it or reported it. I'm 6'5 230. Good luck. But women have good reason to feel threatened. If it ever escalated from unwanted touching to full-blown rape, they'd have no way to fight the guy off. And feminist fearmongering may have left them overly aware of this fact and now even more sensitive to any unwanted touching and where it could lead. And feminists will…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/16 05:40 PM
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If you think that's having your entire life taken away, you live in a bubble and haven't seen shit. "Faggot?" Ironically I've probably slept with more girls than you, enough that I don't need to be pro-trains on drunk girls in order to get laid. Real doms don't need the girl to be drunk.
/r/TheRedPill17/12/16 11:31 PM
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They were not punished by the criminal justice system. They were correctly found not guilty of rape. The justice system did its job correctly. The rest... that's not being "punished". Their lives got worse because of the fallout But that's no different than some man or woman losing a job because of false office gossip, or someone getting bullied or slut shamed in school because of a false rumor. Sometimes shitty things happen to people because other people gossip, form opinions, and make biased …
/r/TheRedPill17/12/16 11:28 PM
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Wait, are you implying it's difficult to get girls who want to do coke at 4 am to have a threesome? The game is weak in this one
/r/TheRedPill17/12/16 11:16 PM
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Can confirm women are attracted to vulnerability but not pure weakness. To avoid weakness, make sure you deal with your own shit internally first. Get rid of the visceral emotions and fears. Then when you share it, it's coming from a position of strength, not while you're crying in her lap like a sap.
/r/TheRedPill17/12/16 12:05 AM
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What kind of insecurities are you sharing that she's using as ammo?? My insecurities are things like "I'm afraid I might die young like Jon", or "I played weak today in my soccer game, I should do drills", or "Brad outshone me in today's meeting again, I'm gonna have to work late for a while to impress the higher ups", or "I think Kelli has been pissed at me ever since that joke I made last week, she keeps giving me the bitch face." Honest insecurities but hardly good ammo in a fight. What's she…
/r/TheRedPill17/12/16 12:01 AM
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You guys don't look for these qualities already during partner selection? No wonder you end up in terrible marriages and resenting women and feminism. You've been approaching relationships on n00b mode. First, the married fit women you see are disproportionately going to be the pampered ones, because women only 5-7 years into a marriage who have actual responsibilities don't have time to spend all day in the gym and salon to keep looking as gorgeous as before (and they're not trying to attract a…
/r/TheRedPill16/12/16 11:04 PM
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A good LTR isn't just about frequency and quality of sex. There's an additional component, having a common life goal, a partner to share adventures with, someone to support you in your goals. Women aren't all bimbos. Those relationships exist, even if most people don't find them. Those LTRs add far more value than simply regular sex hitting kink needs. If such a thing is found, trust me, it outweighs the rush of being on the hunt, and you gladly dump other plates for it (not because she makes yo…
/r/TheRedPill13/12/16 11:19 PM
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Couldn't agree more. ONS and spinning plates is much superior to a bad relationship. But there is something extremely satisfying on multiple levels about being in a good LTR. What most people don't realize (when they dismiss relationships) is that most of them and their friends were in bad relationships. Maybe they just didn't realize it, or know what a good LTR looks like. Without being able to find a good LTR, spinning for sure. Also, sometimes you are just frustrated with past relationships (…
/r/TheRedPill13/12/16 11:14 PM
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Did you miss the analogy? I'm not talking literally about fat women. I mean that not all hot women will ride the cock carousel, just like not all people will pig out at a Vegas buffet. They have free will, some have self-control.
/r/TheRedPill13/12/16 11:03 PM
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Not everyone is a fucking glutton. People with impulse control can go to resort buffets and eat normal portion sizes without pigging out just because stuff is there. Our society is getting increasingly shittier at impulse control though. Studies confirm this. OKCupid showed women who Tweet every day are more likely to put out on the first date. Hot girls with low impulse control are like fatties at a buffet, cramming every bratwurst and pogo in their mouths. But hot girls with integrity and self…
/r/TheRedPill09/12/16 03:38 AM
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Killer post. Embrace core masculinity and don't let the rubble keep the smile away. I agree when women admit to cheating, they do it to hurt you, to try to break you or get a reaction out of you, like enemy troops torturing a POW. Don't give them the satisfaction. Same goes for divorce. I think part of the reason my generation has lost its masculinity is because we're the first children of widespread divorce. Our fathers didn't know what was coming. Divorce utterly broke them. Many of us were ra…
/r/TheRedPill08/12/16 09:14 PM
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Most of the women you listed sound like low-quality women outside of looks. "Dancer"? Hairdresser? Sugar baby? Judging only on looks works fine for ONS or even short-term plates, but why would you think it has any bearing on long-term compatibility? If her only redeeming quality is that you'd still want to fuck her in 5 years, of course there's no reason to commit to her. Looks are a depreciating asset. She won't be that hot 10 or 15 or 20 years later. If that's all she's got to offer, terrible …
/r/TheRedPill08/12/16 07:11 PM
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Well fuck. You need a better lawyer man. You can appeal these things, especially if you can show you haven't restarted a successful business yet (and everyone knows a new business takes start-up capital and is in the red the first few years). Might cost you a lot in legal fees but save you a fortune in payments. She may end up paying you spousal support until you get back on your feet. And if you can prove your business partner stole those funds, you can sue him for your share of the lost money …
/r/TheRedPill08/12/16 06:28 PM
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Exactly. So just be the first (or first memorable one), and you will be the first Alpha. She'll always remember you. They'll all be getting your sloppy seconds.
/r/MGTOW08/12/16 05:35 PM
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Based on rule 1 (no bullshit), if that is all you've gotten, maybe you aren't as "decent" as you think? I know a ton of non-abusive non-badboy men without face tattoos or criminal records who've had women do stuff just like that for them. Not red-pillers or PUA or Chads. Regular dudes with good jobs. Myself included. But not boring either. Why does everyone think they're the cat's meow? By definition, 50% of people are below the median, but you never see 50% of people admitting it. People concoc…
/r/MGTOW08/12/16 07:41 AM
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As a tall overweight goober who gets results similar to as described, I was shocked at how awkward you're implying the average TRP guy is. You guys get anxious just talking to women? You can't stay calm when a girl freaks out on you and talks shit or has a mental breakdown? With or without the external validation of pussy. Yeah, ok, maybe practicing frame will help then.
/r/TheRedPill01/12/16 09:34 AM
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I knew a guy like this as well, but he was supplying them with free drugs. How much do you know about the dynamic between the lardo and the models beyond surface image. How much does he buy them?
/r/TheRedPill01/12/16 09:02 AM
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