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I hear you. I was turned off by the seduction community for a while because I saw a lot of this. Saw lots of guys in the industry who had the mentality of wanting to get laid as much as possible and all the time. Nothing else mattered but finding the quickest and most effective way at getting her naked in your bed as soon as possible. Once that happens, done and onto the next girl to fuck. I think there are two big schools of thought. One is upping those numbers, getting laid as quickly and as m…
/r/seduction19/11/19 08:15 PM
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I mean this in the utmost sincerity. In the long run women want someone who is sincere. Whether they are looking for casual or a lifetime commitment, they (we) want to spend our time with someone who’s honest about who they are and what they want. If you play games, you’ll only attract the naive (who will catch on eventually) and others who play games. I agree with every word. And I don’t think that contradicts what I said. I can’t stand games or cheesy PUA routines. I am 100% committed to being…
/r/seduction14/11/19 11:43 AM
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Yet, online dating and bars are 'normal' so they get a pass. Meeting someone on the street is abnormal so it's considered rude and creepy. This right here. So frustrating, this logic. If you limit yourself to OLD and bars, you are seriously limiting your dating potential. As a guy, OLD can really suck sometimes. Bars are fine but honestly they get old. Drinking, loud music, competition, girls' shields are up. Like, I still do both but if I limited myself like that I'd be going on very few dates.
/r/seduction14/11/19 02:39 AM
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I’d like to start off by saying your opinion is 100% valid and I completely understand why you and some girls are put off by the idea of being cold approached while out and about. And if I ever did approach you and you rejected me, I’d tell you to have a nice day and I’d go approach someone else. But I’m going to echo the words of my favorite dating advice guru on cold approach: You are right. Many or even most girls don’t like being approached in public. It can be weird, awkward, and disruptive…
/r/seduction13/11/19 11:48 PM
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Mr. Incel to you
/r/seduction08/11/19 02:47 AM
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Agree completely. My friend once told me that day and night should be the same but I totally disagree. Day should feel natural like a normal conversation and not like you’re openly hitting on her right off the bat.
/r/seduction07/11/19 09:18 PM
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Chads go up to drunk thots at trashy clubs. Quality men meet women while living life and being awesome.
/r/seduction07/11/19 09:14 PM
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It’s so damn rewarding though. Much more rewarding than a tinder match.
/r/seduction07/11/19 08:59 PM
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1) don’t immediately assume its ghosting. Could just mean she hasn’t gotten back to you yet. If she never does, wait a few days and try again. If no response still, move on. 2) have you had sex with her? Hooked up any other way? If the answer is no, she’s no more than a girl you’re interested in. Don’t think of her as something bigger than what she is. Just some chick you tried to hit up. Never invest too much too early.
/r/seduction28/05/19 06:50 PM
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When you say it helps your game what do you mean? Because I do not recommend jerking it before going out to meet girls. That’s like eating a burger before going to find food.
/r/seduction04/04/19 06:24 PM
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Exactly. Porn is such a ridiculous waste of time. Minutes turn to hours of surfing pornhub for more videos. You could be reading a good book, going to the gym, watch a good movie or show, meeting girls, getting stuff done, or sleeping. All of these things can be improving or enriching. Porn is neither.
/r/seduction04/04/19 06:23 PM
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I’m trying to do a porn free 2019 (so far so good). I have read up on the effects of porn on the brain and, while I don’t think it’s “settled” yet, it doesn’t look good. Since giving it up, I’ve noticed I find girls way sexier and I’m not comparing them to porn stars anymore. It also helps seeing them more as actual humans and not sex objects. I also HATE the post-nut, clearing history feeling. I always think about how I could have spent that time doing something more productive like actually me…
/r/seduction04/04/19 05:06 PM
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Je veux vous rejoindre. Je suis excité d'entendre sur vos resultats ;)
/r/seduction13/02/19 02:09 AM
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I don't think so. Men and women experience sex differently, that's why some men think we like it more. Women are naturally wired to be more protective over their bodies and they have much more at risk when they have sex with a guy. Guys also get horny way quicker. But once she gets horny, damn is she horny.
/r/seduction23/01/19 03:28 AM
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Another thing I’d like to add is think of all the good that can come from approaching. Sex, date, relationship, increased confidence. Now think of the bad. A moment of slight awkwardness, briefly inconveniencing an uninterested girl. When you don’t approach, you are prioritizing not annoying an uninterested girl (for about 10 seconds) over the possibility of meeting, going on a date with, having sex with, or making the day of an interested girl. When you break it down like that, not approaching …
/r/seduction22/01/19 02:14 PM
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Beat me to it. Should be required reading for many readers of this sub. Lots of guys don't seem to understand the difference between guys that are nice and Nice Guys™. So they assume you must be a total asshole to get girls. Then the more one learns about Nice Guys™, the more one understands that they aren't all that nice really. Nice Guys™ lack the confidence and assertiveness women find attractive and they act nice to compensate, try to avoid conflict, and are often people pleasers. They think…
/r/seduction16/01/19 06:49 PM
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oops. yes.
/r/seduction10/01/19 10:10 PM
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People think 28 is too old? Men get more attractive with age. Also in your late 20s to early 30s you are likely more established in your career and financially secure.
/r/seduction10/01/19 09:57 PM
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Don't be so hard on him. He didn't say approaching was a bad thing in and of itself, just that you shouldn't get too hung up on it. Get used to doing it? Yes, great. Though I think he's commenting on the guys who go balls to the wall approaching to the point where they're pretty much approach robots who will walk up to anything with a vagina that moves. That's when it gets a little more superficial. Sounds like he's referring to a very specific type of approach, the "random" cold approach, i.e. …
/r/seduction09/09/16 04:04 AM
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A-fucking-men. Boys play cute tricks to look disinterested and "gauge her interest." Men are up-front about how they feel and don't waste their time with that shit.
/r/seduction31/01/16 08:41 PM
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Walking up to random girls and asking them if they want to have sex is risky and really not a good idea. But if you do it enough, one girl will probably be down. That doesn't mean it's the right move. Same logic applies here. Just because we don't agree with the OP doesn't mean we always play it safe. Playing it safe is being her "friend" rather than escalating with her because you are "too afraid of creeping her out." It's not approaching her when you should approach her. Etc. I think you're ov…
/r/seduction29/01/16 07:52 PM
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Relax. I explained why I feel the way I do. I agree playing it safe all the time won't get you laid, but the risky choice isn't always the best choice. Girls will do anything to avoid looking slutty. Even if they want to bang, they might say no just to avoid looking like that. Which is why I still DO engage in sexual banter, I don't just straight up ask if we're going to have sex. I've heard this referred to as "sexual framing." If you openly talk about sex in one way or another, and she recipro…
/r/seduction29/01/16 04:31 PM
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I think it's risky. Lots of girls will say no (even if they want to do it) just to avoid looking like a slut. I casually mention sex often, but indirectly, e.g. I simply talk about sexual topics rather than just straight up asking if we're having sex. If she reciprocates, that's a good sign. From what I've learned, girls want it to "just happen" and be led into it, rather than put on the spot like that. I wouldn't use that line unless I've already slept with a girl.
/r/seduction28/01/16 06:34 PM
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I think Manson feels the same way, hence his book being cheap. In Models he also talks about how some guys spend too much $$$ on pickup material with the idea that more money spent = more success.
/r/seduction23/01/16 11:42 PM
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If a guy won't spend $50 to learn success with women, he doesn't deserve to pull girls. I totally disagree. A guy does not need to spend lots of money to get successful with women. Nothing wrong with spending money, but experience trumps all, IMO. Manson's ideas are good, but he is lacking in specific, concrete, and most efficient behaviors that guys need to adopt. Chase I find is the most socially intelligent and insightful writer in relation to meeting women I'm a fan of both of them. I just s…
/r/seduction23/01/16 11:30 PM
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Yes. He updated it again.
/r/seduction23/01/16 11:18 PM
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The new one just because it's apparently more up to date. The material is still the same. Havent read the new one yet though
/r/seduction23/01/16 09:56 PM
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I have read the Girlschase book. Big fan of chase amante too. But that book is so pricey and I prefer Manson's overarching philosophy of vulnerability.
/r/seduction23/01/16 07:12 PM
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I just wish someone had said all this to the college me. In college I wasted a full fucking year pursuing a girl who wasn't as interested in me as I was her. We'd hang out, even go on dates, but I was slotted firmly in friend territory, and I kept thinking she would eventually come around. She never did. If only I nutted up, moved the fuck on, and expanded my options. Instead of wasting hours obsessing over her and letting my heart get broken over and over again. I'll never make this mistake aga…
/r/seduction15/01/16 06:18 PM
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First off: tread lightly. I'm not saying don't do it, I'm saying you better have a very good feeling she's interested before going for it because you never know how people can be, and it can be pretty tough to read with the employee-customer frame. I'd say yeah, put the number on the receipt or a napkin, and maybe a short message. And don't forget to sign your name, she'll probably forget it otherwise.
/r/seduction15/01/16 01:07 AM
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I wouldn't go that far, but I see where you're coming from, OP. I don't want to criticize these guys-- I want to help them, but I do agree that the tone on this sub has been really negative as of late. I've been the guy you are describing, and I can assure all of said guys that the "woe is me" attitude doesn't help you at all.
/r/seduction14/01/16 10:02 PM
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I get that, I just think I could never shake off the "superficial" perception I have of them, though I think most of that was influenced by Julien more than anyone else. And I think that's because I have a major, MAJOR personality clash with Julien's style. I'm more of a Mark Manson fan than anything else. That coupled with the fact that I've gone out with RSD guys in my city and I just could not get into what they were doing (e.g. hi-fiving every girl they see and then spinning her). Anytime I …
/r/seduction23/12/15 07:32 PM
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Okay if you want my honest opinion here it is- I don't hate Tyler or RSD. They do well and they are obviously doing something right because their material is effective. But I have never been a fan of them. Something about them just screams superficial. I was turned off by them early for this reason. I sometimes would go out with RSD guys in my city and I just could not get into the routines they were doing. It just seemed weird and forced, and totally clashed with my own personality. That said I…
/r/seduction23/12/15 01:43 AM
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This gets asked like once a week. Watch his videos and see what you think.
/r/seduction22/12/15 07:00 PM
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You hit the nail on the head. One major turning point in my progress was when I stopped asking people what I "should" do and just acted on my own. It made me realize that the old me was so, so afraid of messing up so I'd do anything to avoid it. But in reality, messing up is how you get better.
/r/seduction22/12/15 06:59 PM
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No. You don't need to spend thousands of dollars to get good with girls. All this takes is desire to get better and dedication. Bootcamps are pretty much "rent a cool friend" services. You're paying for their time. Sure it will help, but it's only for a few days and really isn't worth the tradeoff.
/r/seduction02/06/15 10:12 PM
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What do you think are some good (or even some unusual) places to meet women BESIDES nightspots? I still love meeting girls while out at the bars but I think it gets old sometimes. I'm not always trying to pull girls home for a ONS. I find it a bit overrated, honestly. Also, do you take on a different approach to girls in different settings? Like meeting girls at coffee shops versus music festivals versus sporting events, etc.
/r/seduction05/05/15 08:14 PM
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Hit the nail on the head. It's about what your goals are. Some guys have the goal to fuck tons of girls, some guys want to meet the right girl and fuck girls they really care about. I'd say Manson's advice caters to the latter. He's done the former already and from what I've read of his, it sounds like he's pretty over it.
/r/seduction02/05/15 02:49 AM
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I made the mistake of trying to be pick up and chat up girls at the last EDM show I went to and it was a joke. And my buddy who just stayed on the dance floor all night losing his mind got way more action than I did. It's because the girls at these shows aren't there for that. No one is. Everyone is there to lose their mind and have a blast. And if that's what you do, you'll probably get more than the douche who goes there just to pick up.
/r/seduction29/04/15 09:09 PM
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All great tips. Wish I had this attitude when I was in college. Of course, that doesn't make them any less applicable in the real world ;)
/r/seduction10/04/15 06:51 PM
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I remember reading this article a few years back and it was a total game-changer for me. Like night and day. I always scratched my head when girls who seemed really interested would go cold. I would complain and picture myself as the victim, but then Chase pretty much spoon-fed it to me: I was going waaaaaay too slow. I wasn't being bold and making a move early on. I was lollygagging and just waiting for something to happen. She's waiting for YOU to escalate. If you don't she'll move on.
/r/seduction10/04/15 06:49 PM
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Great advice. I've taken an extended break too, but really to focus on more important life stuff, like my career and finishing up grad school. But you're right, I can't take this stuff for granted and just leave it on the back burner.
/r/seduction05/03/15 10:43 PM
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Also, I think you texted too soon. Agree with most of what you said but strongly disagree with this. I'm a huge fan of same-day texting. Waiting any longer just ups the chance that she'll forget about you.
/r/seduction04/03/15 11:34 PM
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If you want a better social and dating life you need to push yourself and get out of your comfort zone. What are your passions? What do you like to do? Be open minded and explore your options. Girls are everywhere.
/r/seduction24/02/15 07:39 PM
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There is no trick to it- you have to be genuinely happy with yourself. If you aren't, then fake it till you make it. It's okay to want someone. Just make sure it does not turn into neediness. When you go out, stop caring about setting goals or getting a certain outcome. Just have fun. Listen to music you love, be with people you like. Decide to be happy and have fun. I say all this because I literally just DID this last weekend and it was great. I was happy. Didn't care about girls. Met a bunch,…
/r/seduction24/02/15 06:59 PM
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I posted this on another thread but I'll say it again- I pretty much forgot it was Valentine's Day until seeing reminders on the internet. It's only as big of a deal as you make it. If a girl isn't obviously with a guy then why not go talk to her? V-day is a commercialized holiday that only some people take seriously. Yeah, some girls get in that bitter, man-hating attitude on V-day, but... who really cares? Go and treat today like any other day.
/r/seduction14/02/15 11:54 PM
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I honestly forgot it was Valentine's Day. It isn't a big deal if you don't make it one.
/r/seduction14/02/15 11:52 PM
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I'm of the philosophy that 1) you should not have to spend a ton of money to get good with women and 2) this process takes time. In other words, a weekend-long bootcamp of putting yourself in VERY uncomfortable situations and pushing your limits to the extreme may help, but is not the best way to go about it. Overflowing your senses (i.e. jumping in the deep end and trying to learn to swim) can be overwhelming. I'm a firm believer in taking baby steps. Start with your weak points and focus on th…
/r/seduction05/02/15 05:23 PM
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We are all trying to overcome two or more decades of paranoia about what people think about us. I slightly got chills reading this because it resonated so much with me. This is what held me back. This is what hindered my progress. Life is far too short to let your happiness be affected by the opinions of others. This realization was truly tremendous for me.
/r/seduction03/02/15 09:53 PM
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Can confirm. I live in Colorado now and I recently went back to Texas- forgot how many beautiful women there are in my home state.
/r/seduction31/01/15 08:00 PM
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As expensive as it is, I thought the ability to get laid/a girlfriend whenever I wanted was priceless. This is how they get you. I feel like they feed guys the idea that doing a bootcamp will pretty much make you a PUA god. Fact is it isn't about being able to get laid/get a girlfriend whenever you want- it's about attracting girls you like. I'm not a fan of bootcamps because I feel very strongly that you do NOT need to pay lots of money to get good at this. Pay for some books, maybe some progra…
/r/seduction24/01/15 09:20 PM
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I'm so tired of Julien. He's one of the most aggressive guys in the industry and I find his material very harmful for new guys who want to improve. He gives the pickup community a bad rep.
/r/seduction24/01/15 09:13 PM
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This is what I call a healthy and effective attitude toward girls. Easy to get caught up in "she probably has a boyfriend," "she would probably reject me," and "she's kinda hot, I guess." Keep yourself curious. Thanks for sharing.
/r/seduction22/01/15 02:35 AM
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I get what you're saying. My point is more like: Getting laid is awesome but it is a benefit of making yourself better. If you focus too much on it, it will be counter-productive.
/r/seduction20/01/15 10:57 PM
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I hear that =/ It's always a good reminder that you do not need her, and that you can't control what she does so there's no use stressing over it.
/r/seduction20/01/15 05:15 PM
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1) Many guys fail at this or settle for "okay" girls because they don't have the patience or dedication for this. If you want good results, it's going to take some time and a huge commitment (and some awkwardness too). If you're expecting overnight results, you won't go very far. You also won't magically become great at this after reading a pickup book or doing a bootcamp. It. Takes. Time. You are changing your habits and fundamentally altering your approach to women/dating. We, as humans, are r…
/r/seduction20/01/15 04:50 PM
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/r/seduction19/01/15 10:19 PM
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"You see, we learned something today..."
/r/seduction19/01/15 10:00 PM
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There is far too much of a "oh we are so alpha and anyone else who thinks differently is a pussy" but the majority of people on this subreddit seem to mindlessly spout the same lines, techniques and pseudo-motivational bullshit with absolutely zero emotional intelligence or social awareness. Take it from me, someone who hates "alpha/beta" language (and pretty much all PUA lingo)- There's a lot of stuff I don't like in this sub, especially the "anyone who thinks differently is a pussy" mindset. B…
/r/seduction19/01/15 08:30 PM
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My question is what exactly is he doing wrong if hes implementing shit like telling them who they are opposed to asking questions, trying to "kino", etc etc he has multiple approaches on his channel is it just the delivery? Idk but whatever the fuck it is I don't want to ever do anything close to that. If this is what most sedditors are like in real life then I'm fucking out. FUCKING OUT. This lacks any and all social eq Two things: 1- Relying too heavily on his "system" instead of acting like a…
/r/seduction19/01/15 08:08 PM
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I watched a few of his videos and he just makes everyone EXTREMELY uncomfortable. I'm all for going out and meeting new people but if what you're doing is at the expense of other people then you need to stop. Agree. There is a strategy to cold-approaching that should be followed. Sorry, I didn't see the other videos and didn't realize how bizarre some of that stuff was. My post was just a comment on how /r/cringe and the like can sometimes contribute to "creep-shaming" culture.
/r/seduction19/01/15 07:59 PM
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Approaching a girl surrounded by dudes in a quiet high-end restaurant during the day - then not even talking to the girl, but her male friend instead. What the actual fuck? Who sarges in a god damn restaurant in the first place? Okay I didn't actually see that video. Totally bizarre and socially oblivious to do something like that. Not trying to defend this dude. I just felt that a lot of the commentary about cold-approaching ASSUMES lots of guys are like him, which in a way shames guys who are …
/r/seduction19/01/15 07:57 PM
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I agree. On nights when I was constantly trying to apply theory, do everything right, and get laid, I would always end the night frustrated and tired. I would get burnt out from it all, getting not much return for lots of effort. But on nights where I just didn't give a fuck and had fun, my success rate was way up. Wasn't trying, wasn't outcome dependent, didn't really care about getting laid. It's so much more fun that way. Not giving a fuck is such a beautiful thing.
/r/seduction18/01/15 06:28 PM
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I love Midtown. Plenty of bars and always people hanging out on the street and such. I'm from Houston- don't live there anymore but would love to go out when I'm back.
/r/seduction18/01/15 05:35 AM
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I never thought the "pee in your butt" story would have such a profound impact on my outlook toward dating and women.
/r/seduction17/01/15 10:54 PM
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Sure you may end up getting with a few women very very quickly, but you'll also make lots and lots of them extremely uncomfortable. Don't understand why you're getting downvoted. This is a very true statement. If you've read Manson's Models he refers to this as false confidence. False confidence gets you laid in the short term but true confidence leads to fulfillment in the long term. In other words, I think Julien's techniques are helpful if you're in a Vegas club looking for a ONS but not so m…
/r/seduction16/01/15 06:36 PM
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I've been critical of Julien in the past because I always found him way too "pickup artist-y" for my tastes and not very genuine. Yes I find some of the stuff he does to be sleazy/manipulative but at the same time I understand he is successful with it and he clearly understands female psychology. I also understand that lots of guys like Julien's philosophy toward women and dating. I used PIMP for a short time but did not finish it because I really did not like his approach to women. Also, I foll…
/r/seduction16/01/15 06:30 PM
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Great move. I feel the same way. Once you've got the fundamentals down, experience is way more important. Especially for me (I tend to over-think things)... reading too much stuff can actually be counter-productive because I get pretty bogged down in the details.
/r/seduction14/01/15 11:12 PM
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All great reminders but what's your reason for leaving? Do you not like the direction seddit is heading? Or are you making an effort to not read so much and to get more experience?
/r/seduction14/01/15 10:49 PM
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Plenty of girls are out and about on Sundays. It's the weekdays that are challenging in my opinion.
/r/seduction12/01/15 09:48 PM
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How much is enough for each day? At least one approach? Or is this just something each guy should set for himself
/r/seduction12/01/15 09:47 PM
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Experience and bad judgment can also lead to some pretty badass stories.
/r/seduction12/01/15 02:26 AM
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Oh I love that shit. If you pull it off well it comes off as very confident and some girls are very turned on by it.
/r/seduction11/01/15 09:00 AM
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I guess I shouldn't have said "bullshit." I do feel pretty different after being warmed up. I've just had good experiences while "cold" too.
/r/seduction11/01/15 08:59 AM
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I believe that being "in state" is mostly bullshit and is a really overrated concept in the community (and this FR confirms my beliefs). I like to get "warmed up" before sarging but I've had really great things come out of me just pushing myself even when I wasn't "feeling it." The key is just to push yourself and not let "I'm not in state" be an excuse for pussying out. Good work. Also, what's the "hand of God" opener?
/r/seduction10/01/15 11:01 PM
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Write shit down.
/r/seduction10/01/15 10:58 PM
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Why would you text her that? You clearly don't mean that and it comes off as saying "I'm going to pretend I'm not interested in you so hopefully you will chase me." Ditch the lines and be more straightforward next time. You don't have to say "I like you" but your actions should make it clear you are interested in being more than friends. There is nothing wrong with wanting that. As far as your situation, I would try to forget that text ever happened, get her out, and escalate with her physically…
/r/seduction10/01/15 10:58 PM
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Wow, you hit the nail on the head for me, OP. This sub helped me SO MUCH when I discovered it 2.5 years ago. Lost my v-card, approached WAY more often, got more results. Nothing but positives. Then in the past year or so, I started getting very turned off by some stuff in this sub. After reading Models and further working on myself, I started to get pretty put off by PUA stuff, especially RSD Julien, as his talks were posted here frequently for some time. I found PUA stuff sleazy, disingenuous, …
/r/seduction10/01/15 02:52 AM
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Fair enough on the necessity vs sufficiency concept. Though, I still don't agree that you have to have slept with lots of women to give good advice. Like I said, I think a long healthy relationship with a quality girl will teach you more about women than 100 lays.
/r/seduction09/01/15 03:12 PM
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A player is dishonest, misleading, and shady in his actions. And this attitude is unfortunately promoted by some select PUA coaches out there. A true seduction artist is straight forward and honest about his intentions. And that, I think, is a central theme about this sub thanks to Mark Manson's book. Honesty is essential in seduction. I wholeheartedly do believe that you need experience with a lot of women to be able to post advice here. Even me, in my early days, had dated beautiful girls. I'm…
/r/seduction09/01/15 05:55 AM
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"Settle for"? Manson's world is for long-term fulfillment Strauss's world is for short-term fun
/r/seduction07/01/15 09:34 PM
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Heartiste is a RedPill douche. Encourages manipulation and treating women like sex objects rather than human beings. Vulnerability isn't really a concept he preaches either. I liked some stuff on this list (having options, make yourself a priority, etc) but he's a pretty negative person who I don't respect at all.
/r/seduction04/01/15 09:22 PM
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Integrity is doing what you think is right even when no one is watching. You've obviously placed your values at a priority, and women will respect you for that.
/r/seduction28/12/14 12:51 AM
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Maybe you just want to have sex with as many women as possible. Maybe you want to save women from their boring lives and lame boyfriends. Thinking that this sub is about fucking as many women as possible is such a simple-minded, misguided way of thinking. If there's one lesson I've learned from this stuff, sex is a benefit of self-improvement, not the end goal. Trying to fuck as many women as possible is fun but it leaves you feeling pretty empty after you do it for so long.
/r/seduction28/12/14 12:50 AM
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im gona call it right now, that all negative comments against RSD are from bitter pussy guys who doesn't have the balls to approach and interact with women. This is pretty harsh though I see what you mean at least. But I think that I, and many others, can prove you wrong on this point. RSD help me understand how female psychology works in a social setting. I have always known what girls respond to positively in a bar/club environment, but RSD help me understand WHY it works. I agree, they are pr…
/r/seduction19/12/14 12:31 AM
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I also lost it at 23. Reading through your post it sounded like you were telling my story. Had bad "nice guy" issues too and later realized my biggest cockblock was ME. This really hit home and I agree with everything you said 100%. I agree virginity isn't as big of a deal as people make it but damn it is nice to get over that hump. It just gets better here on out. Great job, man.
/r/seduction19/12/14 12:05 AM
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I think Manson hit on this at some point. He said he's dated women he finds gorgeous but other guys think are hideous. Bottom line is all that matters is your personal satisfaction.
/r/seduction15/12/14 11:18 PM
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In addition, that girl standing over there isn't a "one-set," she's a fucking girl.
/r/seduction15/12/14 11:17 PM
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Don't start reading game again (at least not too much)- if you're experienced at this, the best way to get back into it is to get out there and get your momentum back up. It will come back naturally, it's like riding a bike. Ditch the RSD stuff. It may help with a few things, but by and large RSD just teaches you routines, gimmicks, and manipulation to get quick lays. They suck at teaching you how to become a better man who quality women genuine want to be with. But if your goals are to get cons…
/r/seduction11/12/14 09:49 PM
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I usually have a couple, but I cut it off at 2 if I'm trying to meet women. Drunk game = sloppy game.
/r/seduction07/12/14 02:14 AM
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I think peacocking is pretty outdated. The cat's out of the bag, and lots of girls think guys who dress all goofy like Mystery are just doing it to get laid, and they will have a hunch that you're being fake by dressing like that.
/r/seduction04/12/14 05:52 PM
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Negging and other tactics cannot work if the reason you are negging is to get into a girls’ pants. You have to put in work to become someone that girls want to date and/or fuck. This is by far the biggest takeaway, and proof that this is about transformation of oneself, rather than memorization of lines/tactics.
/r/seduction04/12/14 05:50 PM
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You're already overthinking it.
/r/seduction02/12/14 09:57 PM
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I think Julien's approach to pickup is unhealthy and I think he has really given RSD and the PUA industry a bad name for itself. That said, I think it's ridiculous for him to be denied entry for this. He didn't commit any crimes, just said some controversial shit that went viral.
/r/seduction19/11/14 08:17 PM
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Completely agree. Anytime I try to pick up in clubs I hate it. Anytime I go wild and give zero fucks I have the time of my life... and probably end up hooking up.
/r/seduction19/11/14 04:57 PM
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Haha, depends on the environment I guess. If it's a noisy bar, then sure. Maybe not so much for low-key places.
/r/seduction18/11/14 04:39 PM
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People your age are all looking for something serious? You from the South? ;) I'd say for starters, just be out meeting girls all the time. Start interactions with them wherever you are and don't look too much into it. In other words, don't look at her as a potential girlfriend but as just another girl. Push your limits a little. Take girls you meet out for drinks, Invite girls home, make moves. Keep meeting girls, don't slow down and don't focus on "that one girl." Don't worry about relationshi…
/r/seduction18/11/14 02:38 AM
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Nah, girls will notice when some guy they've never met walks up to them. If you're messing with your phone and they are too, they'll know you're fucking with them. This really works best when EVERY girl is on their phone, then it's totally obvious you're giving them shit
/r/seduction18/11/14 01:27 AM
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Any time I ever feel like this is a chore or I'm trying too hard, that's a sure sign I'm doing it wrong and maybe need to take a short break. This is not meant to be stressful. Difficult? Sure, but it's still supposed to be fun. I don't know the details of your issues but if there's one piece of advice I have, it's that you should stop overthinking this. Stop thinking about the perfect thing to say, stop "trying overly hard" to pick up girls. Just relax and let it all flow. Just walk up and say …
/r/seduction17/11/14 07:08 PM
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Love articles like these. Simple, straightforward, and proves you don't need "tricks" to be desired by women. Have an awesome life, respect yourself, and have a genuine love for women.
/r/seduction14/11/14 12:03 AM
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You have everything to gain and nothing to lose.
/r/seduction13/11/14 05:42 PM
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If that's the case I'm surprised they've kept Julien on. He seems like the opposite of what Brad is trying to promote.
/r/seduction12/11/14 06:11 AM
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I think those guys are better than Julien but it's mind-boggling that RSD has even put up with Julien for as long as they have. Dude is a sociopathic, manipulative piece of shit who does hardly anything good for guys who want to genuinely become better men. He teaches them to be manipulative pieces of shit just like him, and newbies get the idea that THIS is THE way to get girls. It's so fucking unhealthy. That said, I give credit when credit is due- Tyler has some solid advice, and he can be ve…
/r/seduction12/11/14 04:02 AM
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I should reread Models too. Mainstream PUA theory has become a pretty dark place (e.g. RSD Julien's recent troubles in Australia/Japan... good lord), I'm really glad Manson broke away from that and took a more healthy approach.
/r/seduction11/11/14 08:38 PM
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Thank you for saying this. I am so tired of RSD stuff being posted here, and all of RSD's shallow, manipulative tactics. They make good, well-meaning guys in this community look bad.
/r/seduction11/11/14 07:57 PM
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There are two sides to all this. One of them is using tricks or gimmicks to get women to sleep with you (e.g. RSD Julien's tactics). The other side is actively seeking to improve yourself and make you a confident man who women WANT to be around, and sex is simply a benefit of that. In other words, if it's all about sex, then it's probably a trick. If it's about improvement, it's probably not.
/r/seduction10/11/14 08:54 PM
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You and I have had almost the exact same experience. While reading your post I kept thinking "this is me." Consequently now when I go out I am self confident, I go out purely to have a good time and I never go out searching for girls. Yet in this last year I have had more success with women than I have in the culmination of the rest of my life. This was a major breakthrough for me. When I stopped making getting laid my top goal, I naturally loosened up, stopped caring so much, and actually had f…
/r/seduction26/10/14 10:59 PM
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I use what i think would be useful to me and try and add that in to myself and throw away all the crap. The fact that people try to set up "lairs" alone seems a bit fucked to me. I think this is why people like Mark Manson left the PUA industry. Men actively seeking to improve themselves and improve their dating lives = good. Men with a common mission of fucking as many girls as they can, getting together to feed off of each other's energy = bad. And it can lead to a pretty dark place after a wh…
/r/seduction26/10/14 09:18 PM
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Yeah, but Mark didn't mean "you should stop reading" when he said that. He said be sure to get experience just as much as, but preferably more, than you read. I.e. experience trumps all, but there is nothing wrong with reading up and wanting to learn more.
/r/seduction22/10/14 02:35 AM
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Agreed. I've fallen out of it in the past and killed my momentum, but getting back into it really didn't take that long, just took some more hard work. Much easier than it was when I first started.
/r/seduction21/10/14 10:33 PM
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Without going into detail, this is one of many reasons I stopped using RSD's material. They came off as trying to portray themselves as PUA gods and never seemed to show rejections, only successes. I get that they're good at this, but I think it's important for these guys to show bad sets too. Like saying "I've gotten better at this with experience but I still have my downfalls too, this shouldn't discourage you." Does RSD ever show bad sets? I really don't know, haven't watched their stuff in a…
/r/seduction21/10/14 10:31 PM
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Get warmed up. Approach AT LEAST 10 people before seriously approaching girls. These 10 can be guys or girls, hot or not. You could say hi, compliment them, hi-five them, or just shoot the shit with them- it doesn't matter. This gets you in a good, social mood and gets you excited for the night (or day). If the person "rejects" or ignores you, just laugh it off because it's just some random person you saw in the street... who cares. Don't talk to these people for more than a few minutes. Keep it…
/r/seduction21/10/14 09:40 PM
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If you actually bothered to read most of the stuff in this sub you'd know that most guys here have moved away from the PUA bullshit tricks and more toward self-improvement and building confidence.
/r/seduction17/10/14 10:55 PM
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Couldn't agree more. I was turned off by manipulative PUA shit long ago and it's so nice to find a community that is focused on becoming a better man that women want to be around. I think Mark Manson's whole philosophy in Models has really come to describe what this sub is about.
/r/seduction17/10/14 10:53 PM
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This is my biggest complaint with mainstream PUA advice. I feel like so much of it is about putting up a facade to attract women. Works at first, especially when it comes to one night stands and such, but not so much when it comes to getting girls to stick around. I find it really harmful to newbies and I'm really glad Manson addresses this in Models.
/r/seduction16/10/14 04:49 PM
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After you have sex for the first time, don't call. This is awful advice. It goes overboard on trying to be that "asshole." When you blow off girls after sex, they will usually feel like you just used them for sex, nothing more. This may work with really low self-esteem girls, but geez, act like a fucking human being and show her that you really enjoy her company. There comes a point where you don't always have to be gaming her.
/r/seduction16/10/14 04:45 PM
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The reason why I think plowing is good is because it is IMPOSSIBLE to read girls in MOST situations. I don't really agree. In my experience, if a girl is receptive/interested, she shows it. The more you do this, the better you get at reading body language. E.g. if she is laughing, touching you lightly, smiling --> Interested If she's not really talking to you, trying to walk away, arms crossed --> Not interested, not worth your time.
/r/seduction15/10/14 10:17 PM
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It's not important, and very overrated. The Alpha/Beta thing is one of the most harmful ideas in the PUA industry, in my opinion. If you come across as confident and you show genuine interest, she won't give a fuck if you're "alpha" or not.
/r/seduction15/10/14 09:51 PM
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I disagree with the concept of plowing unless it seems like she's just playing hard to get. Yes, it supposedly worked for Tyler and Max in these situations. But you have to remember two things: 1) they are running a business, they're going to show you their successes more often than their failures, and 2) they didn't show you how many times they plowed and it DIDN'T work. I don't like plowing because I think it's a waste of time. There are so many other girls out there who will give you better r…
/r/seduction15/10/14 09:50 PM
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I'm usually critical of openers because I think 99% of them are cheesy and forced. But for some reason I love this one, it sounds so natural
/r/seduction09/10/14 02:22 AM
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1) MOST IMPORTANT - stopped giving a fuck. I stopped caring about rejection and learned to become outcome independent. Once you do that, it's incredibly liberating. 2) Got experience. Went out frequently to the point where AA wasn't even a factor anymore. 3) Stopped using BS canned tactics and started being more genuine, while looking to improve MYSELF in the long term. 4) Showed intentions! This was HUGE! For many years I was bad about showing intentions and got almost nothing. Now, there's no …
/r/seduction06/10/14 09:42 PM
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Sounds like a way overly PUA tactic.
/r/seduction06/10/14 08:58 PM
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I can't stand negative people who try to bring you down like that. For that reason I stopped going out to meet girls with those kinds of people.
/r/seduction29/09/14 03:18 AM
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Whoa, looks like we're dealing with a badass here.
/r/seduction18/09/14 03:51 AM
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If you have to send a hail mary text, you've already lost
/r/seduction18/09/14 03:37 AM
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He doesn't even seem like a PUA, just a fun-loving guy. This is pretty much why I like him more than some of the other RSD guys.
/r/seduction17/09/14 06:05 PM
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"look at those people over there, aren't they sad and pathetic" and more of a "I've been there, and believe me it isn't a pretty place." Couldn't have said it better myself. I agree with Manson's view 100%
/r/seduction04/09/14 01:47 AM
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Mark Manson has actually tried to distance himself from the mainstream PUA community.
/r/seduction04/09/14 01:44 AM
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I agree that it's hard work sometimes, but if you aren't having fun then you're doing it wrong.
/r/seduction01/09/14 10:07 PM
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Ice cream. Try to find an ice cream place in a cool part of town so you can go do other fun stuff afterward. Make it an adventure.
/r/seduction01/09/14 09:27 PM
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Does this stuff make you happy? This stuff isn't here to make you "happy" per se. It's here to help you find fulfillment and satisfaction in your dating and sex life. Fucking a ton of girls is fun but at the end of the day it won't make you happy. If you see that as the source of your happiness and make it your goal to fuck 100+ girls it can lead you to a pretty dark place. Believe it or not, I know some guys who have fucked upwards of that many girls, and they really aren't that happy of people…
/r/seduction01/09/14 09:19 PM
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A) important to develop cold approach skills early on in life. You're not gonna have the advantage of a college environment for the rest of your life As someone who started taking this stuff seriously right after college, I second this. B) kinda lame to go to events and clubs you have little interest in just to pick up girls. I bet most intelligent girls will see through this anyway, and your success rate will be pretty low Agreed. Learned this one the hard way, too. When you constantly go to ba…
/r/seduction26/08/14 03:30 AM
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I know his stuff worked, but it has always come off as so fake to me and that's why I can't respect him.
/r/seduction25/08/14 03:57 PM
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I can't stand Mystery. He comes off as very superficial. Like one poster said, tons of his stuff is just routine and canned lines. I think he's a terrible role model for those who genuinely want to improve with women without having to rely on a bunch of BS tactics. But even if you like his stuff, it's pretty much undeniable that most of it is VERY outdated. There's some good stuff from him (e.g. the 3 second rule), but overall I think there are much better sources out there than him.
/r/seduction25/08/14 03:46 AM
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Getting laid is an effect of self improvement, not the other way around.
/r/seduction22/08/14 09:50 PM
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I'm happy for you that you've gotten good with girls, and I get that it's just for fun, but as time goes on, objectifying your social and dating life like this will make you miserable. Relationships, even if it's just the meaningless sexual ones, aren't meant to be objectified and measured like this.
/r/seduction22/08/14 09:49 PM
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I love self improvement. I love getting better with women. I love fucking women. It's all wonderful. But this shows the dark side of PUA. Objectifying and quantifying everything. Then showing it off to a bunch of internet strangers. The girls you meet and sleep with, treating them not like human beings but more like statistics.
/r/seduction22/08/14 09:39 PM
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Because the stuff from mystery method, pickup artist, and the game is horribly outdated
/r/seduction18/08/14 03:17 AM
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Great attitude you got there! Embrace ground zero. It happens to all of us and is just another way to get better
/r/seduction29/07/14 01:44 AM
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I think situational is fine if you're being genuine about it. For example, I made a joke to some girl at whole foods once about how everything was excessively labeled (organic, non GMO, gluten free) and she laughed. Then after something like that, talk to her a bit more. I only dislike these openers if it's obvious you're using some contrived line. Like saying "I need your opinion" when it's obvious you don't. For the OP, if he's having trouble opening, then I'd recommend sticking with light ban…
/r/seduction29/07/14 01:41 AM
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For day game I pretty much always go direct. There's no point in beating around the bush. You approached her because you thought she was attractive and wanted to talk to her. End of story. Using any other "lines" or situational openers will just seem forced and she'll pick up on it. By being direct you show that you aren't BSing and that you have balls most men don't have, and she'll respect you for that. Edit- clarification: situational is fine if it's genuine and you don't spend all day trying…
/r/seduction28/07/14 10:25 PM
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+1. Just adhere to your own golden ratio. For me, 10 minutes of reading theory = 1 hour of applying it.
/r/seduction24/07/14 09:38 PM
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I'm sure plenty of advice from TRP works, but you have to look at the bigger picture. I'm sure Seddit and TRP have many similar ideas but Seddit is a much healthier, and more positive way to improve yourself with women. Either way, nice FR!
/r/seduction21/07/14 01:23 AM
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Yeah, I think dressing well is one of the fundamentals of seduction for sure. You'll always have a step up above those who dress like hoodrats.
/r/seduction19/07/14 07:44 PM
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Mark Manson comments on this and basically says that the big difference between "creepy" and "confident" is how the girl feels about you. In other words, often you can't control it. There are tons of different reasons girls may find you creepy as they all define it differently. You have to accept that as you get more confident and open about your sexuality, some girls are just going to see you as creepy sometimes, no matter how awesome you are. And that is okay. You can't please everyone. Accept…
/r/seduction19/07/14 05:15 PM
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Day game is hard, but I think it's generally better than night game. It's bolder, the girls you meet are generally higher quality, and in my experience a smaller percentage of numbers you get from night game will actually follow through.
/r/seduction18/07/14 03:48 PM
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Mark Manson says in some article of his that having an awesome and abundant lifestyle will trump any kind of "game" 100% of the time and I couldn't agree more. Lots of sources focus on game (which is totally fine) but neglect a lot of other important concepts, like making yourself and your life more awesome... which is VERY attractive to women. He harps on being honest about yourself rather than using tricks or trying hard to be someone else. Mark helps you achieve just that. The aim of the book…
/r/seduction16/07/14 10:08 PM
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You're right and that's precisely why I don't like it. It comes off as a trick, rather than as something that really helps guys get better with girls.
/r/seduction14/07/14 08:08 PM
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I saw two guys "peacocking" last night. One of them was wearing a fucking fur coat. In the middle of July. He looked ridiculous. Why do they feel the need to dress flashy? Just dress well, look good, and approach instead of trying to draw attention to yourself.
/r/seduction14/07/14 02:47 AM
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I agree it's not insulting, but it also isn't the same as teasing/giving her shit in a lighthearted way. Teasing is low effort and fun. Negging almost always comes off as try-hard to me. Like "Omg what can I say to this chick so she won't think I'm putting her on a pedestal?"
/r/seduction14/07/14 02:45 AM
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Ahh, the often overlooked benefit of seduction: Getting shit you want other than girls.
/r/seduction09/07/14 11:21 PM
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Best bit from the video: Go after girls who like you. Sounds obvious, but a lot of my lack of success and frustration in the past came from going after girls who weren't that interested. If a girl likes you, it won't be very difficult to get with her. And it's way more awesome when they do. I also think a huge factor in getting with girls fast is being nonjudgmental. As Tyler said, the reason so many girls make guys wait and want to appear conservative is because they're afraid of being judged a…
/r/seduction08/07/14 04:35 PM
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Paying for stuff occasionally is no big deal, but I think a point that needs to be hit home is that you do not need to spend lots of money to improve yourself with women. You just need time, effort, and dedication. I'm sure in-field coaching can be effective, but remember the coaches will come and go.
/r/seduction07/07/14 08:02 PM
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Good job man! In my opinion, not only doing your first day approach but getting your first daytime rejection is a huge milestone. Because you realize how insignificant they are. That's when you learn that in day approaches, you're either going to get an interested girl or maybe 10 seconds of minor awkwardness. Not a big deal at all.
/r/seduction01/07/14 05:43 PM
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This is by far the most important. Once you reach the best version of yourself, all the other goals (find a girlfriend, take many new sexual partners, or whatever) will come.
/r/seduction27/06/14 08:42 PM
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Thanks for writing this. I've been doing day game a lot lately but this post is definitely inspiring me to commit to every day for 30 days to get more consistent results. To that end, the best solution is to keep trying and to focus on the positive interactions and try to not focus on any negative ones. This hits home with me. One of the most brilliant thoughts I ever heard about this was that when you approach there are 3 typical outcomes: 1) she is uninterested, and possibly annoyed you approa…
/r/seduction27/06/14 03:56 PM
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I agree, I just think OP is reminding people not to overdo it by reading too much. At least that's what I gained from it.
/r/seduction27/06/14 03:47 PM
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Good points. I needed this right now. Some think reading a ton will make you an expert at this, when really you get overwhelmed with too much information if you don't spend more time applying it all. We could argue all day over, say, texting vs. calling. but are those arguments helping us get better with women? Not really. Just go out and do something with your life instead of reading dozens of books and theories, which - let's be honest - are worthless most of the time. Mark Manson hits on this…
/r/seduction27/06/14 02:38 PM
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Weed completely ruins my game. I have no social skills if I'm high. My game isn't great if I'm drunk either. I get sloppy. I do, however, like to have a beer or 2 if I need to loosen up a little. If I'm warming up on a night out and I have a beer, I'm solid. Still recommend sober game most of the time, you don't ever want to have to depend on any substances to help you.
/r/seduction26/06/14 08:09 PM
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I was very careful in my wording and did not say EVERY guy who does this has emotional issues. Other than that I agree with the rest of your comment.
/r/seduction26/06/14 12:14 AM
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I like to go by the "Never buy her a drink right off the bat" rule. Unfortunately a lot of girls DO wait for guys to buy them drinks and then bail once they get a drink. Because they know a lot of guys are pushovers who will do that in exchange for her attention. You will not be that guy! I'm against buying her a drink early on for several reasons 1) What has she done to earn that from me? I've never even spoken to her but I'm suddenly willing to spend my money for her? 2) Many guys think that i…
/r/seduction25/06/14 09:20 PM
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Text/call her soon (I prefer text). I almost always text the very next day and set up a meet that week if possible. Don't wait too long.
/r/seduction25/06/14 07:54 PM
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I think his primary goal of the book was self-improvement and helping men develop confidence. While he does help guys in getting women, he mainly gives pointers on how to do that. I think getting women is a secondary focus of the book.
/r/seduction25/06/14 07:31 PM
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He talks about the importance about confidence, but the way to actually get there - not so much. I agree that meditation is very important, though I think Mark does give some pointers on how to get there. I gathered that the way to get there is to make YOUR life more awesome (do things you love to do, find what makes you happy, discover your passions, and invite women along for the ride). He says that women will not be the cure-all for your problems, but once you find true confidence and live an…
/r/seduction25/06/14 04:48 PM
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I don't think he's saying you MUST be one or the other, but really just showing the reader that there is a difference; i.e. not all "confidence" is the same.
/r/seduction25/06/14 04:46 PM
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Just because I'm using seduction methods to seduce girls means I have emotional issues?? Whoa now. I didn't say that at all. I use seduction methods too, you know. The "emotional issues" part was meant to say that many guys get too sucked into pickup stuff and focus too much on fucking as many girls as possible, which is just a bandaid solution in lieu of working hard to make yourself a better, more attractive man. Hope I was able to clear up any misunderstanding.
/r/seduction25/06/14 02:40 PM
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sorry you feel that way.
/r/seduction25/06/14 02:39 PM
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It's their opinion and not yours. You'll never change them. YES. Once I accepted that no matter what I won't change some people's minds, it was very liberating.
/r/seduction24/06/14 06:35 PM
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Last time I checked seduction implies attracting women. Not improving yourself. My philosophy is that it's about improving yourself so that you BECOME a more attractive man that women love to be around.
/r/seduction24/06/14 03:46 AM
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Your post should be titled "Something about RSDJulien just rubs me the wrong way" You're right. Most of what I said was based off of Pimp. I overgeneralized all of RSD and I was wrong to do that.
/r/seduction24/06/14 12:44 AM
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I'm open to criticism, at least if you read what I had to say (which you admittedly didn't do). But you just insulted me so I think we're through here.
/r/seduction24/06/14 12:39 AM
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I think you wil find it in your benefit to get out of this "good honest guy" mindset that has to jerk off to porn to calm himself and start thinking from a strategising mindset that gets results. I quit looking at porn 2 years ago because it hindered my success with women, actually. My strategy DOES get results. You're making some assumptions about me right here. I actually agree with a lot of RSD's stuff, believe it or not. Oh yeah, and you're most likely lying to the girl already. By being nic…
/r/seduction23/06/14 11:34 PM
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Check out my edit. That video is great and I totally agree with a lot of what Tyler says. Society has taught us that we are owed an awesome girl and what we do (proactively meeting girls, escalating, etc) is NOT okay and is creepy. He's saying fuck that, this is how you get ahead. I like this kind of shit. This shit is motivating. IN FACT, this particular talk hits home because my roommate (who is still hung up on his shitty ex) tried to bring me down this past weekend. He told me what I do is w…
/r/seduction23/06/14 11:05 PM
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I honestly believe you are missing the point with comments like this: They honestly won't care about little details like whether you're getting coffee or going bowling if you're giving them the time of their lives. My point is: instead of lying that you're going to get coffee, tell the girl you're going to take her out for a fucking good time. The coffee thing is from "Pimp." If you've developed a persona overly focused on picking up and getting laid, if you start seeing a girl regularly, she'll…
/r/seduction23/06/14 10:47 PM
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One thing I've learned is that not all of the RSD guys are created equal. And I'll say this again: There is plenty of great info from RSD. Just because I don't like RSD as a whole doesn't mean I think everything they say is BS. One guy already posted some Tyler videos here and I've watched one that I really like. If you have some other good ones, send em my way.
/r/seduction23/06/14 10:38 PM
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Dishonesty sucks because it's a quick fix. Eventually the girl(s) you're seeing will discover the real you. Getting ahead or socially constructed morals. False binary! I specifically said that most of society's dating advice is bullshit.
/r/seduction23/06/14 10:33 PM
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So you lead off with calling us liars and then I guess flip it? I didn't call anyone a LIAR per se. I don't know cause nothing will convince me to read that long ass post. Then don't drop in and criticize something you didn't read.
/r/seduction23/06/14 10:30 PM
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Having "Game" is about not worrying about outcomes, basically it's about becoming a better man for your own sake. It's too bad you didn't read it, because this is the point that I hammered home several times. See the 3rd to last paragraph.
/r/seduction23/06/14 09:53 PM
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Youre wrong though, they have names because they started by posting on forums. Your real name isn't TheSicilianDude, is it? youre being dishonest dude ;) I think we may be beating on a dead horse now. I was just using the names thing as an example. I've seen several other examples of things I would call either fake or dishonest. I've seen my friend (guy who worked for RSD) use them all the time. and you find the ones you really like by going through the process and getting as much experience as …
/r/seduction23/06/14 09:33 PM
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Thanks for your response. First off, I opened all your videos and I really can't watch a bunch of 50+ minute videos, so I'll have to take you for your word. Though I did watch the "realizing that you are enough" video some time ago. It was good. I should also say that if RSD has worked well for you, then by all means continue utilizing it. So they use pseudonyms, whatever,i really dont get why it matters. The going for coffee then doing something else just seems like a suggestion for a date. It …
/r/seduction23/06/14 08:22 PM
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You forget RSD is catering to a specific group of people, guys with low self esteem. That's actually a big point I'm trying to make. They give these guys the impression that being dishonest, using tricks, and overcompensating by fucking as many women as possible through whatever means possible is the path to success. And guys with low self esteem might take this to heart.
/r/seduction23/06/14 07:48 PM
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You bring up a good point. Do RSD guys get girls? Of course. They wouldn't exist if their methods were unsuccessful. But what I've noticed is they get girls who dig this kind of shit. These often aren't good quality girls. Also, RSD really teaches guys how to nail down on girls' insecurities (negging, DHV, disqualifying her). It works. I've noticed that amazing, quality girls don't fall for this shit. If you've read Models, Mark calls this False Confidence. It works and gets women in your bed, b…
/r/seduction23/06/14 07:16 PM
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If I totally missed the point of the Game, then I apologize and I'm pretty surprised. This being said, I still don't think Mystery is a good role model in this area. Outer game is very important, no doubt. I just think inner game takes priority. Once you get your inner game straightened out, then focus on outer. Working on outer game when you have bad inner game is not a good method, IMO.
/r/seduction23/06/14 06:56 PM
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Thanks man, appreciate it! I need to be reminded of stuff like that myself from time to time. I am beginning to not only not feel bad about rejection, but to feel good about it: it's her loss This is the BEST mindset to have! At first I just told myself this to make myself feel better, but over time I actually came to believe it to be true. I'd come so far in making myself better to the point at which I really do KNOW that it's her loss.
/r/seduction23/06/14 04:18 PM
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Absolutely agree that rejection should be a motivator. If you let your rejection get to you, then your successes will be few and far between. Every guy who takes this stuff seriously is going to get rejected all the time. Not only do I not care about rejection anymore, but it actually fires me up now. Like a "Fuck it, her loss. Onto the next!" kind of attitude. It does wonders. it's literally just because you came off wrong, not because they don't like you! I agree that you should never take rej…
/r/seduction23/06/14 04:27 AM
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Haha, in that case do what you want. I wouldn't because that seems immature and silly to do before you actually meet up, at least for someone my age (mid 20s).
/r/seduction20/06/14 10:11 PM
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NO. They are probably fake profiles and are guys who work for gay porn sites. I'm serious. My friend fell into this trap. A "girl" asked him to snap pictures of himself flexing while naked. He did, and then they screenshot it and put it on a gay porn site. He then started getting more snapchat requests from other tinder girls using the exact same wording as the first one.
/r/seduction20/06/14 09:37 PM
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Are you and I the same person? Kicking my porn addiction and overcoming my confidence issues are some of the biggest, and most difficult things I've done since starting this. I'd say a lot of people assume everyone in this sub wants to do stuff from the Pickup Artist tv show. But really, "seduction" is a misnomer for this sub. Become a better man first, THEN focus on getting better with women. That's what this is all really about.
/r/seduction07/05/14 04:57 AM
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Can confirm. As someone who has been at this for 2 years (and was a virgin when I started), I've only started seeing truly amazing results within the past month or two. I've had plenty of successes since starting, but none of it compares to what I've seen recently. This shit takes time, dedication, and a ton of discomfort.
/r/seduction07/05/14 04:55 AM
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I wish people would stop posting this trash. Why the fuck is this getting upvoted? This sub is about improving oneself and learning true confidence, not superficial bullshit so heavily promoted in The Game. Edit: for those downvoting me, read the Game and use the tactics you learn from it, and see how far it gets you.
/r/seduction05/05/14 01:31 PM
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I get into my head too much and get all logical and boring instead of taking action. Your brain goes into panic mode once it realizes you're about to approach. If you give yourself more than 3 seconds, you've already hesitated too much. Suppressing this "logic" is one of the hardest parts but it can be overcome. I am outcome dependent - Be it being afraid of woman being a bitch or peolpe judging me. There's only one way to destroy it and it might hurt... Remember, all the possible good outcomes …
/r/seduction30/04/14 10:05 PM
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It's because some guys use a trick they learned on some girl, and it worked, so they assume it must work on all girls. That's one of the worst assumptions these d-bags make about girls: that they're all the same.
/r/seduction30/04/14 09:59 PM
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One universal truth about reddit (and life): When there are a lot of people discussing a subject, there are bound to be conflicting ideas. I actually wrote a post some time ago about how the newbies on Seddit are going to hear a lot of different information. So, the best thing to do is to read sparingly and spend more time getting experience. Because experience is what really matters. Look at the title of the sub. It's /r/seduction. SEDUCTION. I think that's a misnomer. This sub is about becomin…
/r/seduction30/04/14 09:45 PM
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Congrats, let us know how the date goes! Make sure you're always escalating and BE BOLD
/r/seduction28/04/14 06:22 PM
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The Game may be an autobiography, but it was definitely intended to teach its readers something. But I agree 110% with your last statement.
/r/seduction28/04/14 06:18 PM
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Models helps you learn to love yourself and express yourself honestly around women. The Game teaches you a bunch of bullshit tricks that work from time to time but after a while you have to cut it out with the fakeness.
/r/seduction28/04/14 06:16 PM
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Well, my story happened whether you believe it or not. And if only the Bradley Coopers and Ryan Goslings of the world got girls, none of us would be getting laid ;)
/r/seduction23/04/14 02:43 AM
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If the date goes well, it's usually not hard to get her to come over. I said something like "I've got a bottle of wine at my place, why don't we head back and hang out there for a bit?" She was a little reluctant at first but a little persistence can go a long way :) It also really helps if you live close to the date location.
/r/seduction23/04/14 02:39 AM
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I advise you to stop giving a shit what girls think.
/r/seduction22/04/14 11:05 PM
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Alright man. I'm trying to be positive and help you out but I can only do so much if you're going to have this negative attitude. This community is for helping guys get better with girls and I posted this FR to show that I've gotten results doing stuff I learned from seddit. Because at the end of the day, some things WORK and some things DON'T. Negative attitudes don't work. Boldness and assuming attraction DO work. You can take the advice or leave it. And what I'm telling you now is your mindse…
/r/seduction22/04/14 11:01 PM
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Fact is for an average guy his odds that a girl will be attracted to him are very small. And we're saying fuck that, who cares. For all you know you'll spark attraction just by talking to her. And if she still isn't, fuck it. Plenty of other girls who are attracted. it's sexy when you show intent and aren't afraid to be sexual with her. Again, you are looking at all this pretty negatively and I think that may be holding you back.
/r/seduction22/04/14 10:12 PM
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No, it is not. Not at all. It's one of the best attitudes you can have when you're talking to girls. Assume she's in to you. You are more bold when you think this way. You'll get much better results than assuming she's not interested. Now, assuming she's attracted and wants sex after she's made it CLEAR that she does not is creepy and you should stop. Once the girl makes it clear she's uninterested, THEN it's time to move on. Judging by all your comments on here, I suggest you change your attitu…
/r/seduction22/04/14 09:49 PM
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I have a sister, for one. Two, i thought it went without saying that "every" does not literally mean every single female you interact with. I don't think that when I'm talking to family members, older coworkers, etc. I mean every girl I am pursuing in a "more-than-friends" way. I'm still not sure what you mean with the sister thing. I haven't advocated being a total asshole and treating girls poorly and I never would.
/r/seduction22/04/14 09:43 PM
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I did not say "you MUST fuck her at all costs." I was implying that girls get just as horny as we do and you should assume she's attracted to you and wants sex. If she truly does not want sex, you will know.
/r/seduction22/04/14 05:21 PM
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Wrong attitude. This is why many girls are reluctant- people call them sluts for liking sex. Girls like sex just as much, if not more, than we do, and they should not be shamed for sleeping with a guy on the first date. Ever. And if you have this attitude with girls you take out in the future, they will be able to tell, and they will probably feel judged.
/r/seduction22/04/14 05:17 PM
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It's a huge confidence boost, because it's ballsy and even if you get rejected, you're glad you tried. And I've had my fair share of rejections since the girl from this FR. A couple of girls totally blew me out. Others were polite but uninterested. It's a numbers game.
/r/seduction22/04/14 03:44 AM
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Don't overthink it. Keep texting to a minimum. It should be used mainly for setting up dates and occasionally building rapport. Don't text back and forth a bunch, it kills the intrigue.
/r/seduction22/04/14 02:41 AM
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neat
/r/seduction22/04/14 02:37 AM
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Credit: http://seanwes.com/2014/you-can-read-tutorials-all-day-but-youll-only-improve-by-doing/
/r/seduction14/04/14 12:02 AM
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Yup, I pretty much had the same revelation. "Holy shit, that was ALL it took? Just having the balls to say something?" You never know what you're capable of until you try it. Anyway, shoot her a text within the next day or so and get something set up with this chick, then report back to us ;)
/r/seduction10/04/14 09:38 PM
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"Yeah, I read this stuff because I see it as a skill that I'd like to get better at. I love women and want to have a satisfying dating and sex life. I also want to improve myself and this has really helped me do that. I'm glad I'm apart of that community and I'm not ashamed of it." I see this as a much better response than pretending you're too good for it (i.e. what very many guys would say)
/r/seduction07/04/14 10:22 PM
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Ironically, that's what the difference-maker actually is. While you're a virgin, it's a big deal to you. Once you've lost it, you realize how much of a big deal it ISN'T, so you care less about it.
/r/seduction07/04/14 10:17 PM
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Read one book on game/seduction about 4 years ago, it's all just mental. This is a truth that took me too long to figure out. Inner game is a prerequisite to just about everything else. Once I decided to put forth a LOT of effort to be better, I realized that the first thing I had to do was change my mindsets. And I've come a very long way. I'm in shape, I eat better, I dress well, I talk to women everywhere, and my confidence is way up. It takes time, OP. Realize that it does not happen overnig…
/r/seduction07/04/14 08:58 PM
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Also lost mine at 23! Thought it would never happen, haha. And of course, once I lost it, my first thought was "really? that was it? I got all up in arms for THAT?" But one thing that really helped me lose it was lowering my damn standards. My standards were unreasonably high and I had no business setting them that high.
/r/seduction07/04/14 08:33 PM
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/r/getmotivated /r/motivation
/r/seduction03/04/14 02:00 AM
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Do what you will. Take a break if you're reading too much. Reading won't do shit for you if you aren't getting experience. So get out there, get some solid experience, and report back one day. We'll still be here!
/r/seduction02/04/14 03:44 PM
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If people hate you, it usually means you're doing something right.
/r/seduction02/04/14 03:42 PM
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I really tried EVERYTHING recommended on any seduction community website, and it dident get better, not even a bit. Maybe this is the root of your problem. You're trying too much "stuff" and you forgot how it feels to just be natural. If there's one important thing I've learned since I started pickup, it's that the simpler option is usually the better one. Think Occam's Razor. Stop trying to think of good openers. Stop worrying about what to say after you open. Stop worrying about the outcome. J…
/r/seduction30/03/14 09:31 PM
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2nd year law student here! I go on more dates and have more sex now than I did in college. It can be done!
/r/seduction28/03/14 04:23 PM
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I say go for it. You never know until you ask, and if you don't ask the answer is always no. There is nothing wrong with being interested in someone and showing that. If she says no, just move on as if it never happened.
/r/seduction27/03/14 08:46 PM
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Fair enough. If I do end up talking about jobs, etc. with a girl I like to ask stuff like "is that what you want to do forever?" or something like "if money didn't matter, what would you do?" Good, open-ended, thought-provoking questions that get her talking. Girls love that.
/r/seduction25/03/14 01:55 AM
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I'm not advocating trying hard to be interesting. I've been down that same path and realized it almost felt like a chore trying to think of how to be "cool." My point is simple: Talk about stuff she enjoys talking about. If you're in college, I think a better question is "what kinds of activities are you involved in?" If you're out of school, I think a more exciting question is "what do you do when you AREN'T working?"
/r/seduction25/03/14 01:20 AM
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How so? Conversation topics are important.
/r/seduction25/03/14 01:03 AM
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I would avoid "what's your major?" and "what do you do?" They are boring, cliché, and no one wants to talk about school/work. I personally hate when girls ask me those questions. They are buzzkill questions and I always try to change the subject. Try to talk about something more positive/exciting. Like if you meet her at an event, just comment about something positive about the event. If you've been presenting yourself well and she is open to meeting you, she will engage in conversation.
/r/seduction24/03/14 09:56 PM
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I think tinder has become pretty watered down. From my experience, a lot of the girls on there just want an ego boost and have no interest in meeting up. I once heard a poster here describe tinder as a big contest to see who doesn't care as much, and I couldn't agree more. I deleted tinder because it just isn't my thing. It does NOT help you get better with girls and it does NOT help you better yourself as a man. At the end of the day, nothing beats the old fashioned way of approaching, getting …
/r/seduction22/03/14 07:08 PM
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Protip: Get the number at a high point in the conversation, when you KNOW she is enjoying being with you. If you asking for the number feels forced, like if it's during an awkward silence, the chances of a date in the future are lower. Building up attraction before is critical!
/r/seduction18/03/14 03:57 PM
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First off, relax. RELAX. It's okay. By being relaxed in the face of their annoying presence, you will look good. Don't let them faze you. Reacting to them negatively will make you appear insecure and she will notice. They're just chodes who are jealous of you, so they don't really deserve your attention anyway. If he is rude enough to interrupt you while you're talking to the girl, kill him with kindness first- introduce yourself, smile, etc. And then keep talking to the girl as if he isn't ther…
/r/seduction18/03/14 03:55 PM
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I just can't take the rejections, even small shit like getting rejected to dance at a club, I take it way too personally due to the low self esteem and it affects it more than it should (increases tenfold when I'm drinking). 1) You should not take rejections personally. If you have the balls to approach a girl and she rejects, it is usually HER, not you. And if it is you, you need to work on your composure and body language. 2) Stop drinking when you're meeting girls. Or limit yourself to 2 drin…
/r/seduction18/03/14 03:49 PM
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Yes, but don't look too far into this. You obviously wouldn't say to a girl "I want your number so we can hopefully have sex in the future." Being honest doesn't mean you need to say everything, it's just being up front about your intentions.
/r/seduction18/03/14 03:45 PM
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I'd like to add and say another reason your lines work is because they are honest. They aren't cutesy pickup lines or dumb white lies. They are honest. and ballsy. Because after experimenting with all kinds of openers with girls, during both night and day, I've learned that you really can't beat just telling her why you came up to talk to her.
/r/seduction17/03/14 08:13 PM
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Agree 100%! Took me a while to come to this realization, and it only came after I'd read thousands of seduction-related articles online, that there is no one, foolproof correct method. At the end of the day, reading can only help you so much and you really just have to get out there, get experience, and discover what works for YOU.
/r/seduction10/03/14 07:32 PM
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Abundance mentality means just that: you have an abundance of women to choose from. It absolutely destroys neediness and one-itis
/r/seduction07/03/14 05:08 PM
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Words of wisdom.
/r/seduction07/03/14 05:06 PM
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You're right. I guess I'm wrestling with just saying "Hi, I'm ____" and putting up with the "why are you talking to me?" gesture I'll get, OR be more direct and say "Hey, I saw you from over there and thought you were cute so I just had to come say hello. I'm ____."
/r/seduction07/03/14 05:05 PM
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I don't totally agree with that. I think there's nothing wrong with going out to meet girls. I just think your abundance/scarcity mentality will be reflected in your attitude when you go out to meet girls.
/r/seduction07/03/14 02:40 PM
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Agreed. I've experimented with followup texts after a non-response and I have pretty much never succeeded. If she's interested, she'll respond to your first one.
/r/seduction07/03/14 04:26 AM
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Always leave the person better than you found them. I like that. Maybe first I should focus on just striking up good conversation and worry about getting numbers later.
/r/seduction04/03/14 10:46 PM
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I gotta be honest- I've been at this for 2 years and I've improved so much, but I still suck at day game. This is important because I've really been trying to transition to doing MORE day game than night game. In night game, I don't even think about openers. I almost always open with: "Hey, how's it going? I'm _____!" and that has pretty much never failed me. It shows confidence that I don't need an opener and I just want to meet the girl. But for day game, I often feel like this wouldn't be a g…
/r/seduction03/03/14 09:30 PM
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I would agree that this is a phase that guys should go through at some point, but guys should really move on from it too. I only say this because sometimes guys need to have sex for the experience. Experience matters. But after a while, meaningless sex gets old. Fucking random girls gets old. Having no emotional connection during sex gets old. Once you're past the phase, you have greater desires from women and your relationships with them. I see this as a sign of maturity.
/r/seduction03/03/14 07:12 PM
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I don't know what I was expecting, but it didn't make me feel any better about myself or anything. I didn't really enjoy the sex- having it with a stranger I had a remote physical attraction to. I was in a similar situation about a month ago. For the first time, I took home a girl from the bar who was decent looking, but not great, and I was just trying to get over a dry spell. The next morning, I didn't feel any better. I just felt dirty for fucking some rando I couldn't give 2 shits about. The…
/r/seduction03/03/14 02:38 PM
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Sure, the best way to learn is to be thrown in and forced to swim but for 90% of people, they'll drown. They'll have bad experiences and quit. No, the best way to learn is NOT to get thrown in the deep end and hope you learn to swim (thank you Mark Manson!), the best way is to start light and work your way up! If your problem is AA, then you should only be working on approaching! Don't worry about getting numbers, just approach! Every time you go out, make it your goal to approach X girls. Start…
/r/seduction03/03/14 03:56 AM
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This is kinda my point. If you want to do online, great, but it won't make you better at this as a whole.
/r/seduction03/03/14 03:53 AM
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I read your comment over an hour ago, and I've had some time to think about it. I'm not going to argue with you, because this sub isn't about being right all the time- it's about finding out what WORKS. So I will keep an open mind, I'd actually be happy to be proven wrong here. However, please allow me to defend myself on a few things: Overall, your entire attitude sounds like you are treating women as interchangeable objects, which makes it no surprise when they treat you the exact same way bac…
/r/seduction03/03/14 03:31 AM
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Upvoted because I think Tinder goes against everything this sub preaches. This sub teaches guys how to become better, live more awesome lives, and be more attractive to women. Tinder is a silly app that relies solely on shallow first impressions and basically requires a bunch of forced dialogue on the app before actually meeting up in person. Tinder encourages judgmental behavior, and people will find really dumb reasons to judge people they find on the app. It's a waste of time. Sure, it can wo…
/r/seduction03/03/14 12:53 AM
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Tinder is a huge waste of time. Too many girls on there just want to chat on the app, and it's way easier to just meet girls in person.
/r/seduction02/03/14 09:25 PM
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This is why I hate canned openers. If you have the balls to approach a girl you should have the balls to NOT have to tell her a dumb excuse why you wanted to talk to her.
/r/seduction17/02/14 04:29 AM
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Treat it like any other night. The only difference is tonight, there will probably be more single girls out. So if you ever get the "but what if she has a boyfriend?" excuse, tell your brain to fuck off.
/r/seduction14/02/14 08:36 PM
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Exactly! This is a great point to add to what I said about how reading too much can actually hurt you- Gives you the impression that there are a bunch of rigid rules to follow, that you have to do X+Y+Z to get a girl, and like you said, that there is a foolproof perfect formula for getting girls. When in reality all these legends and pickup artists got to where they are not because they read so much, but because they're constantly getting experience.
/r/seduction23/01/14 01:36 AM
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That's exactly why I love this sub in theory but can't stand the PUA community most of the time. There's a fine line between teaching guys how to be better and teaching guys cute little tricks.
/r/seduction05/01/14 03:52 PM
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Another thing to add is to stop giving a fuck. You're not going out to meet your future wife tonight. You're just going out to meet girls. Stop giving a fuck about what they think of you and especially stop giving a fuck about whether or not she'll reject you. See rejection as a victory, in a way. Every rejection makes you give less of a fuck about rejection. Fuck, maybe even make it your goal to get rejected X times tonight. That'll definitely kill your AA.
/r/seduction07/12/13 12:54 AM
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Thing is, it almost never works out like that. Whenever I've danced to the tune of her beat, it hasn't worked out in my favor. E.g. if she says "Let's take it slow" and I actually do take it slow, nothing happens. She loses interest. It really is true: so often, girls don't mean what they say. How many times have you heard a girl say "I just want a nice guy!" -- probably a ton... and it's BS just about every time. Look, you are 19. A lot of 19 year olds don't act the same way as girls in their 2…
/r/seduction05/12/13 12:41 AM
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That's what society says to do. "Dont have sex too soon, otherwise it'll cheapen the relationship!" And it's all bullshit. There's absolutely no reason or evidence that should be true. If you aren't moving fast, someone else probably will move faster and take her from you.
/r/seduction04/12/13 08:02 PM
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I agree with throwing in some sexual innuendo to show you aren't afraid to hit on the topic, and to show you're a sexual being... but I find his lines to be a little over-the-top. I'd suggest casually mentioning it in whatever context is appropriate at the time.
/r/seduction03/12/13 04:44 AM
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Gotcha.
/r/seduction03/12/13 02:19 AM
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Move fast within reason. Always be escalating. Don't put off kissing or sex until "next time" if it can happen now, because there may never be a next time. Show interest early on and polarize her. In other words, force her to be receptive or unreceptive to your interest so you can either escalate with her or move on. Taking it too slow is a one-way ticket to the friend zone.
/r/seduction02/12/13 11:40 PM
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It's the first step. By meeting more women, you get used to interacting with them all the time, you get more numbers, and you get more dates. Consistently doing this will lead to more women being interested in you. Plus, by having more options, you won't be available all the time, which gets them even more likely to chase you.
/r/seduction02/12/13 11:38 PM
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To be fair, I really did move as fast as reasonably possible. The logistics just weren't right for an f-close that night. I did what I could and tried to set up the next meet as soon as possible, but unfortunately the cards just didn't play out in my favor.
/r/seduction02/12/13 10:46 PM
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Make life more awesome. Above all else. I do this by... Improving myself Becoming more confident and learning to love who I've become Talking to any girl I find attractive Going on more dates with girls And of course, getting more sex
/r/seduction02/12/13 08:55 PM
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This summary is great, though I advise everyone here to READ THE FULL BOOK FIRST! Then this bulleted list is great for refreshing yourself on the big points Mark makes. You won't get the full effect without giving it a complete read. The book is downloadable and it's only like 15 bucks.
/r/seduction19/11/13 04:08 AM
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Such a harsh reality, but so eye-opening. Explains just about everything... why nice guys really do finish last, why you hear women complaining about "there not being enough good guys in the world," why wining and dining a new girl and taking things slow will get you nowhere. The man who takes her to bed early on, doesn't treat her like she's a future wife, keeps his options open with other women, doesn't change his life to revolve around her... HE is the one who gets her. Hits home hard. But it…
/r/seduction23/10/13 07:18 PM
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"Guarantee" He keeps using that word. I do not think it means what he thinks it means.
/r/seduction11/10/13 09:06 PM
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This post is more appropriate for /r/askseddit. I've been in your position, man. And from what I've learned, opening is the hardest and most awkward part sometimes. And once you get past that hurdle, the awkwardness is gone and the two of you are talking. But, the truth is nothing will happen if you don't talk to her. Remember, if you never ask, the answer is always NO. Does the class have assigned seating? If not, go sit next to her and say hi and immediately introduce yourself. Don't make excu…
/r/seduction09/10/13 04:10 PM
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Not weird at all, but GOOD. Good to come to terms with your past so you can change your future. I'm in a similar boat as you. I had a rocky relationship with my dad growing up, and HE even when through a pretty weak phase in his life that rubbed off on me. For a long time I had a hard time being assertive and not giving a fuck what anyone thought. And consequently I had a lot of trouble with girls. I was way too nice with them because I was afraid of stepping on her toes and so I never had the b…
/r/seduction09/10/13 04:01 PM
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Wow, man. Thank you. That video is EXACTLY what I needed right now. Reminded me that I HAVE been placing my validation in women going out with or having sex with me. Also a good reminder that sex with hot girls shouldn't bring me validation. It is just something that adds to the awesome life I have created. It's really my goal to make this mindset a habit. The point of happiness where no matter how much rejection you get, it won't chip away at my happiness and self-confidence at all.
/r/seduction09/10/13 03:31 AM
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Totally stole this from Mark Manson, but the difference between a creepy guy and a guy who is good with girls is: it's how you make them feel. Creepy guys and guys with game can do the exact same things, but creepy guys will leave girls feeling creeped out and guys with game will leave them feeling awesome. But an unfortunate truth is... no matter how good you are, you're going to come off as creepy to some women sometimes. Don't be afraid to express your intentions and your sexuality openly. It…
/r/seduction07/10/13 05:04 AM
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Great stuff, Tripp. Reminds me of a line I read once (basically the summary of this video): If you left a good first impression, she'll respond to your texts and go out with you... if you didn't, chances are you won't be able to salvage it via text. Learn from it and move on.
/r/seduction03/10/13 04:58 AM
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Fucking slick, man! Few can say they did what you did. I like the direct opener and shameless confidence. Also loved the "you're trouble" line. Great way to tease her. Also, although she was the one who suggested it, good job moving her elsewhere. I've always heard that after you've built up rapport, walking with her somewhere else is a good way to get her to invest a little more with you. And then the cold read about her being the adventurous type. LOVE getting a cold read right with a girl. Bu…
/r/seduction02/10/13 03:11 AM
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probably did the same thing with other girls and got rejected. Keep the bait out for a while eventually a fish is gonna bite.
/r/seduction02/10/13 03:09 AM
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Happens to me too, quite often actually. And it's really just as little of a deal in day game as it is night game. In fact, last one to give me the BF card when I asked for her # actively continued the conversation with me.
/r/seduction24/09/13 02:40 AM
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Agree with what you said about outer game. Quite honestly I post more inner game threads because it's my stronger suit. And I definitely need some work on a few outer game issues.
/r/seduction19/09/13 03:45 PM
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I posted this response to the same question in /r/askseddit. It's a bit different from most of the advice already posted here but it's just my take on it all: Yes, you can pick up girls at a gym. BUT you should tread lightly. Many girls (guys too even) treat their time at the gym as "me time" and don't like being disturbed. Gym pickup takes some time. You can't look like a dude who's there just to talk to chicks. You're there to work out. Be a regular. Know the staff, and know which girls are re…
/r/seduction18/09/13 07:54 PM
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I used to try to text girls to build rapport but now I almost always text solely to set up a date. I find the "building attraction" texts mostly a waste of time. You build attraction in PERSON. Make her want to meet up with you and get to know you, because it ain't happening on a little screen with words on it. 93% of communication is nonverbal, after all. Exception: If it's been a while since you last talked to her or if she maybe didn't respond to your last one, a couple of rapport-building te…
/r/seduction17/09/13 09:35 PM
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That's what my friend said (re: f-close). At the time I thought the logistics just weren't right because I was drunk and in another part of town. Plus I thought making myself UNavailable would have been a good thing. But in hindsight of course I think I could have made it work. Really hard to say. But if you're right and I missed the opportunity, she's slipped into auto-rejection mode pretty hard.
/r/seduction17/09/13 04:52 PM
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Let yourself feel shitty for a while! It's actually a good thing! REMEMBER HOW YOU FEEL RIGHT NOW! Don't beat yourself up; that never does any good. I want you to reflect on this. Reflect on your failure to approach and how shitty it made you feel. Now, tell yourself "I'm not going to let myself feel this way again. The pain of discipline is much less than the pain of regret." Write this shit down and put it as your phone background or something. REMIND YOURSELF HOW SHITTY THIS FEELS WHEN YOU FE…
/r/seduction16/09/13 06:55 AM
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do these tips really work? Yes. Don't expect instant gratification. This shit takes time, and the more you commit to it, the more you will grow and the more you will see results over time. There's no magic pill you can take. I've been into this for almost 2 years now and there are still plenty of things I need to work on. 20+ numbers. But i think there's something wrong, i did not have one single date Numbers don't mean shit if you don't do anything with them. Did you follow through with all the…
/r/seduction12/09/13 09:31 PM
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Another thing I think is important (and this helped me lose my V-card) is lower your standards. No, I don't mean go after fat, ugly girls. I mean accept the fact that the first girl you fuck won't be drop dead gorgeous. I guarantee a huge number of guys here have hooked up with girls who are below their standards before. It's not a huge deal to lower your standards. Take what you can get right now (within reason of course). Once you lose the v-card, you'll feel liberated and more confident, and …
/r/seduction12/09/13 09:25 PM
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Any girl with a brain knows that if a guy comes over to watch a movie with her, things are going to happen. Man up and go for it!
/r/seduction12/09/13 03:04 AM
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Good job man, way to practice self-control. Remember, always keep yourself busy, because when you're waiting for her to get back to you, your brain will try to rationalize sending her another text and whatnot. She's got a life that she's not going to put on hold for you, and you have a life that you won't be putting on hold for her either.
/r/seduction06/09/13 06:46 PM
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I am being persistent by waiting. I could have just quit here easily. But I showed my interest by saying I still want to get together, but I get that you have a busy schedule so we'll get together later. If she's showing interest, it's persistence. If she's obviously not interested and she's blowing you off, you're chasing her and it's time to move on.
/r/seduction06/09/13 05:32 AM
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No, man. She made it clear she wanted to get together. Maybe it's hard to convey that in a text post. If she blew me off for real she would have probably ignored me from the get go. But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Good seduction is keeping your cool, showing that you're still interested, and that you're a patient man. Bad seduction is saying "no no let's hang out NOW." If she blows me off in the future then so be it, but regardless of what the truth is, it's better to be patient than not
/r/seduction06/09/13 05:30 AM
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Bingo. This stuff is so common. I met a girl on Friday night, we talked, #closed, and I suggested we meet up soon. She not only said yes, but also said "no seriously, text me! we should definitely meet up!" Thought it was a slam dunk. Texted her at the end of the night AND the next day and got nothing. Really bizarre considering what she said at the end of her interaction. But the fact of the matter is this was something I had no control over. She may have forgotten to text me, or changed her mi…
/r/seduction03/09/13 06:54 PM
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Great point! I should add that! I used to say to myself "I am going to get X phone numbers this week!" but this would lead to frustration and lower self-confidence if I didn't reach that goal. Then I changed it to "I am going to ask for X phone numbers this week" and it was totally different. And simply by asking for more numbers, the laws of probability dictate that you will also get more numbers. The external goals will come after the internal goals.
/r/seduction03/09/13 05:30 AM
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I like this minus the occupation part. From my experience, people usually don't like talking about work when they're having fun.
/r/seduction02/09/13 09:07 PM
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To those who are beginners or are less experienced in seduction: It is very important to make this clarification. There is a big difference between being a "nice guy" and being a "nice person" or a "good guy." When I was still in my nice guy days, I interpreted articles like these to mean "oh, so I should be an asshole and THEN I'll get girls!" Yeah it may work on the insecure girls, but being an asshole is a bad plan for the long run. That's because "nice guy" doesn't literally mean that. It st…
/r/seduction02/09/13 08:59 PM
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This isn't being an "asshole." This is having solid game and high confidence.
/r/seduction30/08/13 02:44 PM
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Rejection can be hard to handle sometimes. You can't let it get to you, man. That kind of stuff happens ALL THE TIME. I remember last time I was at a club, drunk and having a good time, asking girls to dance, I got rejected way more often than not. You should talk to the girls for a while first. Introduce yourself right off the bat and get to know her a bit, THEN ask her to dance. If it's too loud, go outside. Otherwise, I think really loud environments are bad for pickup because you're constant…
/r/seduction30/08/13 02:33 PM
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Yoga studios. But don't go just for the girls. They'll pick it up immediately. Also, yoga is the shit.
/r/seduction21/07/13 03:11 PM
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"Did we give up when the Germans bombed pearl harbor?!"
/r/seduction16/06/13 05:52 PM
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Promise I'm not trying to hijack your post, but I made a post about this a few weeks ago after I started a "break" from everything. It was mainly because I'm a law student and I had finals coming up, but I think clearing your head is vital to success. Here is the post
/r/seduction02/01/13 03:47 AM
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you put yourself in that position and you're the only one that can take yourself out of it. This. Fucking this. It took me far too long to come to this realization. And once I did and I realized I controlled my own destiny, things changed immensely. Sometimes harsh truths are really what we need.
/r/seduction01/01/13 07:35 AM
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Realizing that your lack of success with women is your own fault is one of the best realizations you can come to. It's when you finally realize that the power to change lies completely within you, not external forces. This article hit home with me so hard. So good to get a reality check like this when I need it.
/r/seduction07/12/12 05:39 AM
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I think it's really important to take care of yourself first, then get back into pickup. If your life isn't in order, getting into pickup wont fix that. So yeah, it is in a way a "mental vacation." Though I am a law student and studying for finals is anything but a mental vacation for me. However, pickup does take time and energy, and right now I'm dedicating this saved time and energy to more important things. And it has been good for me.
/r/seduction29/11/12 02:28 AM
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Thanks, I added that in. Adds some clarification.
/r/seduction28/11/12 09:40 PM
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So are you saying that for you, taking a break didn't help too much?
/r/seduction28/11/12 06:00 PM
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I disagree with the idea that this line conveys social awkwardness. But I can see why some don't like it. Maybe it's not fun/flirty enough. Another one I like to use is "hey, I'm TheSicilianDude. You look like you could use a conversation." I think introducing yourself right away is important. You avoid the awkward "when should I pull the dumb 'oh I'm TheSicilianDude, by the way' in the middle of a conversation. I also think its important to show her that you want to talk to her and want her to …
/r/seduction25/10/12 02:54 PM
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I don't know what DLVing is... and it's really not meant to be sarcastic. If anything, it's honest and open.
/r/seduction25/10/12 02:36 PM
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My go to line: "Hey, I'm TheSicilianDude and I'm trying to be social and meet people tonight. What's your name?" Then ask open-ended questions. If they talk, then awesome. If they're cold, move on to the next one.
/r/seduction25/10/12 04:41 AM
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Met a girl at a coffee shop. Hung out once (SHE initiated it, actually), K-close. that was 2 weeks ago. been texting off and on since then. we're both students in postgrad programs, i.e. we are both very busy. been trying to set up a second meet with her. I've been turned down twice. She says its because she's so swamped. I feel like continuing to try makes me look needy and annoying. Don't know where to go from here.
/r/seduction25/10/12 04:18 AM
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^ This. He hit on a ton of great points. One thing to be careful about is this: do not totally ignore her less attractive friends. Sometimes, the friends can get bitter and they'll think you're an ass, and so they'll convince the girl you're trying to get the same thing. Make a good impression on her friends. Be funny and charming, but remember to put just a little more emphasis and attention toward your target. This will only do good things for you.
/r/seduction05/10/12 11:37 PM
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haha, I'm pretty sure I got this from another post on seddit from a while back. can't remember for sure.
/r/seduction03/10/12 02:18 AM
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Everyone's already covered the good stuff, so here's an extra little trick: Anytime you see a hottie you want to approach, imagine her taking a massive shit. It takes her "off the pedestal" and reminds you that she is human, just like you.
/r/seduction03/10/12 12:54 AM
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It's worked for me in the past. Pretty consistently, actually.
/r/seduction27/09/12 05:45 AM
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Thanks!
/r/seduction26/09/12 10:57 PM
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What did one saggy boob say to the other saggy boob? "We better perk up, otherwise people are gonna think we're nuts!"
/r/seduction23/09/12 03:50 PM
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brilliant. I always say to myself, "if you don't ask, the answer will always be NO."
/r/seduction13/09/12 03:21 PM
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Absolutely. Look presentable. T-shirts, cargo shorts, and goofy looking shoes are not attractive. Period. When I'm at my apartment about to go out for the night or on a date, I absolutely WILL NOT leave until I can look in the mirror and not only say, but BELIEVE that I look dead sexy. And looking dead sexy involves dressing well. When you dress well, you will be more confident because you know you look better to women. It's all subconscious. If I see a hottie at a bar talking to a dude dressed …
/r/seduction13/09/12 02:53 AM
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23 2 Y - twice a week MAX N i consider myself successful. or at least when i compare myself to what i used to be
/r/seduction31/08/12 07:11 AM
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I too am a little turned off by the "tricks" taught in the PUA community. To me, negging looks like you're trying too hard. I think it's better to show the women you meet the best parts about you, and a genuine interest in getting to know them. My favorite thing about this subreddit is the stuff focusing on self-confidence and good social skills with women. Good post.
/r/seduction18/08/12 01:32 AM
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Shit happens. You did nothing wrong or creepy. Choose to not give a fuck what they think, and find another hottie to talk to. You'll forget it ever happened.
/r/seduction11/08/12 08:53 PM
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