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Oh lol well keep up the effort, I believe in you!
/r/seduction01/09/22 01:39 AM
0

Update on the ratio?
/r/seduction01/09/22 12:57 AM
1

Lol absolutely brutal, same applies to me as a 5'5 manlet It's oveeeer
/r/seduction31/08/22 03:02 PM
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OP is really in the sh*ts and yet he wants people to convince him otherwise
/r/seduction30/08/22 09:54 PM
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You could do at least 26 or 46 more to see what your ratio is
/r/seduction30/08/22 09:05 PM
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How many of those were success?
/r/seduction30/08/22 09:04 PM
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I shouldn’t have to accept any of this because it’s all horrible and shouldn’t be true It shouldn't, but life isn't peaches and roses I just want hope that im wrong about what I posted about You already mentioned countless anecdotes and experiences that prove what you said correct. What you're really looking for is a delusion that shows you're wrong. The only way to change any of that is probably via gym and plastic surgery.
/r/seduction30/08/22 08:39 PM
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I’m depressed because I’ve never had any romantic experiences. I’ve never held hands or hugged a girl. No girl has ever shown interest in me. I’ve been openly insulted, ignored, and been looked at with pity if I ever try to pursue a girl in any way that is even remotely aiming at a date You have every right to be bitter and resentful then, why do you owe anything else to the world when it has treated you like garbage? You don't owe politeness to girls. I’m bitter because I’ve seen attractive guy…
/r/seduction30/08/22 08:35 PM
33

Is this satire?
/r/seduction30/08/22 07:26 PM
11

I don’t know if it’s because I’m unattractive or what It's most likely the case, remember that women's looks standards are very high now
/r/seduction30/08/22 07:15 PM
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how people treat you has no affect on your value as a human being Lol what? Yes it does, that's literally what defines your value. where did you get these ideas about women? By observing them, it's very telling what they do vs what they say/claim. they aren't a monolith of misanthropists. Perhaps not a complete monolith, but they have very similar mentalities and their ideas will change based on how their friends react. Example: A girl might like a guy, but suddenly if her friends disapprove bec…
/r/seduction30/08/22 05:03 PM
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You're too deep in this blackpill bullshit my man Not really, it's just the truth Yes, looks and height and all these things matter, but the way you guys look over everything else that is incredibly important is crazy Everything else only matters if and only if you've met the looks and height threshold. There are a shit ton of guys whom people like you would rate very low but still date incredible women. Define "incredible women" These ideas keep you safe from failure and rejection Lol I've expe…
/r/seduction30/08/22 02:15 AM
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I can't sense if this is true or sarcasm No it's true, I can DM you a pic and you can see for yourself. Although I don't have a measuring tape so you can see my manlet height in the pics though lol anyway, you should not impose your perception of yourself (sub5 manlet) upon others , it's so broken from reality and damaging I don't have to impose anything upon anyone, that's literally how women perceive me. All I'm doing is accepting that reality as it's really part of my identity now. I'm not lu…
/r/seduction30/08/22 01:25 AM
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Did you ever had a woman in your life? No, I'm a sub5 manlet. Women aren't going to want me bud, they want chad or at the very least a high tier normie. Mine did, multiple gfs, almost all of them! Have you ever lived with a woman in your house for more than 24 hours? I fucking doubt it! You got lucky then Did you ever had womans in your life? Really?!? You already asked this
/r/seduction30/08/22 01:06 AM
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This is stupid, do-it only when you need it (need = when you feel needy and desperate, when you wanna have fun) That's fine, I never said pay for it daily. It does get expensive. You can't convince me it's cheaper to pay for sex three times a day when your gf want's it for free. Lol you're assuming some guys GF will want to do it 3 times a day 🤣🤡 That'll definitely cost the guy several dates or she'll just dump him for another chad This is NOT TRUE! Do not generalize! Oh it's very true, it's a f…
/r/seduction30/08/22 12:55 AM
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You can definitely pay for sex, it will be a valuable and fun experience that should build your confidence a little. Nothing wrong with paying for it all the time either, women are transactional nowadays anyway
/r/seduction30/08/22 12:41 AM
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Just pay for it, majority of women won't want you anyways. Can't go wrong with paying for it, plus you get to choose the attractiveness of the girl.
/r/seduction30/08/22 12:37 AM
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It was absolutely brutal but perhaps he was correct, girls find guys in their late 20s or 30s like him as losers
/r/seduction29/08/22 09:45 PM
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women don't see you as a lesser human just because they aren't attracted to you. assholes do that, but fuck assholes and most people aren't like that anyway That's not true, a woman will typically see a guy as beneath him in every way if he tries his shot with her attractiveness /=/ worth. I'm sorry you think your appearance makes you a lesser human. It's true though everyone has inherent value It depends on the person, like George Orwell said: "all animals are equal, but some animals are more e…
/r/seduction29/08/22 09:26 PM
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Oof
/r/seduction29/08/22 04:47 PM
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I'm fucking hot You should have made this point number 1 instead since it's the most important point. The girls that I do ask what they like about me always say it's because I'm confident but also really laid back. This is just code for "you are good looking but too ashamed to admit this is the reason for being attracted"
/r/seduction29/08/22 04:42 AM
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You have a lot more problems than your height, my dude. Lol like? Adding your own bitterness & insecurities to the mix, to the point where you’re calling yourself a “manlet” (I’m guessing this is some incel type shit lingo) is making you 1000x even less attractive Doesn't matter if I call myself that or not. You really think that would suddenly make a girl that doesn't like me due to my height to suddenly like me? C'mon now, let's me realistic. And you say it'll make me 1000x less attractive, I'…
/r/seduction27/08/22 03:15 AM
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Not at all
/r/seduction27/08/22 01:59 AM
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Listen, I know that being short and unattractive makes you undesirable to a lot of women it sucks and good looking/tall people have it easier *undesirable to 99.9% of women but the one thing that women prize the most out of every metric is your confidence and social skills because someone with high confidence subcommunicates a successful life. This is irrelevant if the prior step isn't completed. Woman won't care if sub5 manlet is confident, that'll just creep her out more. when my friends do de…
/r/seduction27/08/22 01:59 AM
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That energy emanates from you Not really
/r/seduction26/08/22 11:46 PM
1

If its that hopeless try some occult Wtf? I'm not into witchcraft, that crap is scary.
/r/seduction26/08/22 11:09 PM
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How good looking are you?
/r/seduction26/08/22 10:17 PM
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Probably has a better face as well
/r/seduction26/08/22 09:51 PM
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No I was just a soccer player so I have never been big Same, I typically play winger there’s days when I wake up and I think I’m cute but then I see other guys and I’m like “fuck I’m not that cute after all” lol Yep, it's brutal when you get mogged by another chad lol Don’t assume all girls want a tall guy, some will like you even if you’re shorter That percentage is significantly small though I'd assume
/r/seduction26/08/22 09:48 PM
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Are you/were you ripped/bulked? Also what about your facial anesthetics?
/r/seduction26/08/22 09:07 PM
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but its not a healthy or productive mindset to have. you are not a lesser person because of your height Again, it's not a mindset. And yes, women see me as a lesser person if I'm manlet. when you act like you are, women notice. I don't care anymore lol I act however I want. Thing is, that doesn't matter (unsurprisingly) because they still want someone tall and better looking. I just go about my own business now. everyone has different preferences; you acting dead on arrival kills it. Those prefe…
/r/seduction26/08/22 09:03 PM
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Wtf do you want from me Nothing
/r/seduction26/08/22 08:58 PM
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When I was a teen and still 5’5 I had already gotten laid a bunch of times The experience is different as a teen I’m 5’7 now and last week some 6 feet plus tall girl kept eye fucking me and smiling while I was walking around with my wife at the beach Seems like a case of a "girl wanting what she can't get" since you were with your wife. Also, I don't know what your facial structure looks like nor if you're ripped or not. Good facial anesthetics can sometimes override height. You have the wrong m…
/r/seduction26/08/22 08:57 PM
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How tall are you?
/r/seduction26/08/22 08:53 PM
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Leg lengthening surgery is terribly for your health though lol, I definitely don't want to screw over my own life span just to experience what many guys effortlessly experience. Doesn't make much sense now does it?
/r/seduction26/08/22 08:52 PM
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I always ask myself if people really think women are that shallow. I wouldn't call it shallow, just simple human nature. We all want attractive partners, unfortunately for guys that bar is very high to meet (you must be tall enough, good looking enough, make enough, etc). I wouldn't really call it "shallow" Most people will have bad experiences with the opposite gender at some point in their life and of course there are always some men/women to prove your point to yourself So far everything I've…
/r/seduction26/08/22 08:24 PM
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I definitely don't want to be in this spot, I simply don't see a way out unless I get plastic surgery and possibly leg lengthening surgery.
/r/seduction26/08/22 08:21 PM
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Visibly see them where?
/r/seduction26/08/22 08:17 PM
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Sounds like you convinced yourself and will hold on to these beliefs. Not me, girls convinced me You’ll be surprised when you do find a girl who do likes those traits Lol you're telling me there's girls that like short, hispanic mixed guys with robot voices? The day I find one is the day I'll purchase a lottery ticket. Just don’t be in disbelief when it does happen, you’ll push them away most likely I'd be in huge disbelief, it's like being presented with evidence of alien life. I'd be heavily s…
/r/seduction26/08/22 08:10 PM
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I don't understand. Being a manlet isn't a state of mind, it's determined by you height. For example, I'm 5'5 hence I'm deemed much shorter than the average and that constitutes me as a manlet. Kind of like being white, mixed, black or whatever other race. I can't just magically believe I'm white, black, Arab or whatever other race if I don't actually belong to that race. I don't know if that made sense. That being said, women pick up on height immediately and if you don't meet their threshold r…
/r/seduction26/08/22 08:06 PM
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Why?
/r/seduction26/08/22 08:03 PM
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That's the thing, they don't exist because those traits are universally unattractive
/r/seduction26/08/22 07:57 PM
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How do I know? Well, from what I know there are some traits that are universally undesirable to girls (manlet height, bad facial structure, bad voice, etc). It's due to the fact that unattractiveness is pretty objective, meaning if one girl doesn't like you then the next 20-50 probably won't like you either. From my time on tinder and bumble, one is able to get that conclusion quite easily.
/r/seduction26/08/22 07:53 PM
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Well am I wrong for inferring that? What else can you possibly infer from stating that women hate being approached by unattractive guys? I'm talking about genetically inferior guys btw (manlets, bad face, etc)
/r/seduction26/08/22 07:50 PM
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Yeah, manletism is a huge defect in dating. Definitely be glad you don't suffer from it lol
/r/seduction26/08/22 07:48 PM
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Well you stated that women hate being approached by unattractive men, hence there doesn't seem to be a point in trying if you'd always be met with brutal rejection or even disgust by the girl. It's just an inference I made
/r/seduction26/08/22 07:42 PM
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5'10 is pretty good/decent height, I'm a 5'5 manlet so it would obviously come off differently if I approached. Generally I'd say 5'6ish is the cut off height for manletism
/r/seduction26/08/22 07:41 PM
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They dislike it when a normie or worse looking guy approaches them I'm assuming, bonus negative points if you're a manlet
/r/seduction26/08/22 07:35 PM
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So unattractive men shouldn't try?
/r/seduction26/08/22 07:33 PM
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They want to be hit on, but by someone who is her type Her type = tall chad
/r/seduction26/08/22 07:30 PM
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Also don't forget to be tall, it's over for manlets
/r/seduction26/08/22 07:26 PM
2

I doubt she'll ignore chad or Tyrone on her phone
/r/seduction26/08/22 07:25 PM
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It's like walking on eggshells lol, might as well not compliment you or approach you right?
/r/seduction26/08/22 07:10 PM
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but I’m guessing the final girl wasn’t that hot, Key point in the story that's missing lol
/r/seduction24/08/22 06:01 PM
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Lol
/r/seduction23/08/22 10:59 PM
1

Lol wut
/r/seduction23/08/22 10:56 PM
1

Yeah, people are bunch of cunts nowadays 🤣
/r/seduction23/08/22 08:11 PM
1

Who are the mods?
/r/seduction23/08/22 04:41 PM
2

Nvm, username does check out afterall lol
/r/seduction23/08/22 04:19 PM
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Yes, I am
/r/seduction23/08/22 03:25 PM
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Username doesn't check out
/r/seduction23/08/22 07:40 AM
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Nice, I don't know what the dating scene is like over there so I don't really know much else. Either way congrats 👏
/r/seduction22/08/22 05:30 PM
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You look like an average looking guy...I'm lost lol. Are you from Latin America or Spain since your bio is in Spanish?
/r/seduction22/08/22 05:12 PM
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That app doesn't have many users lol, I'm assuming you're pretty good looking then?
/r/seduction22/08/22 05:08 PM
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Good job! How did you meet her?
/r/seduction22/08/22 05:07 PM
7

I'd say anything 5'5 and below and you're screwed as a guy
/r/seduction09/08/22 08:51 PM
1

It is, how am I wrong?
/r/seduction09/08/22 06:53 PM
1

That's not true either. Some of the hottest girls I know have ugly boyfriends How old are these people? Or how old were they when they met/got together? I used to get hotter girls than some of my better looking friends How tall and good looking are you though? Perhaps your friends were chad tiered but you are chad lite. It's still true to say your friends are better looking than you in this case, but it also explains how you would have gotten good looking girls. The simple truth is unless you're…
/r/seduction09/08/22 06:27 PM
2

This goes for being black pilled as well
/r/MensRights09/08/22 06:18 PM
1

I said they're not as important as people think. They're significantly important Lots of people think if you're not good looking you can't get laid and that's simply not true. It is true, well I guess they might be able to get laid with some landwhale. But who tf would want that?
/r/seduction09/08/22 06:17 PM
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all girls need lovin Not really Nothing wrong with that brother There most definitely is something wrong with that lol
/r/seduction09/08/22 05:43 PM
2

Agreed
/r/seduction09/08/22 04:39 PM
3

Appearance really isn't as important as people think Sure women are more likely to listen to what you have to say So appearance and looks do matter then
/r/seduction09/08/22 03:18 PM
1

I think most of us could “get women” but okay, what type of women are we talking about??? I'd assume landwhales probably lol
/r/seduction09/08/22 03:10 PM
1

No, not every older woman is good looking. Even then some "Mifls" have wrinkles all over them
/r/seduction09/08/22 02:44 PM
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Perhaps you've already heard this before, but your weight is definitely a negative impacting factor. You seem to have good beard growing genetics and you also seem tall. I'd say you have a lot of potential if you lost that fat (it can make your face slimmer and more chiseled). You have to remember, women's standards now are very high so you basically have to meet their standards or drop your standards very low unfortunately.
/r/seduction09/08/22 03:08 AM
1

That seems weird, I don't understand how one can view a woman that's already showing signs of aging and has wrinkles as a "girl". Idk, I'm just baffled I guess lol
/r/seduction09/08/22 03:06 AM
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Only then do I meet 3 extremely hot girls (age 35-40) A 35 year old isn't a girl, that's a madam
/r/seduction09/08/22 02:06 AM
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I'm reluctant to post a pic lol You'd need to have your face rated to know if it's your anesthetics you need to work on
/r/seduction09/08/22 01:57 AM
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It doesn't matter what I think, what matters are facts. If I think 2+2 =7, does that mean it's right just because I think it is?
/r/seduction08/08/22 10:52 PM
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Wrong
/r/seduction08/08/22 10:49 PM
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Damn, I thought according to this sub it's all about game and looks/height aren't relevant big picture! Lol but yeah, just be honest with him about it. Personally every time I used to go out with my friends they'd always looks and height mog me as well.
/r/seduction08/08/22 07:10 PM
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40 actually So I was right, you're an old man that's coping
/r/seduction08/08/22 05:28 PM
1

May I ask how old you are and where you live? 24, Seattle. It's basically almost too late for me It isn't uncommon for women in their 20s to date men in their 30s whatsoever? Perhaps late 20s, but again that's because they're nearing their 30s themselves.
/r/seduction08/08/22 05:05 PM
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Nobody cares about your type but if “youth” is your first category (your order not mine) for desirability, you are probably are a creep. Ok bud, let's see you go to a nursing home to pick out your next date. Tell me how that goes 🤣 And yeah judging people based on their past is stupid as hell because you don’t date their past. Massive cope, lol you're the kind of clown to ignore the fact some woman has cheated on all her partners yet wouldn't do a thing And I’ll say one last thing, if you don’t …
/r/seduction08/08/22 04:07 PM
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Anyone can turn their life around in about a year with discipline. So he will magically cement good friendship circles in less than a year, carry out multiple experiences with them and at the same time find a girl to date all within the same year? Lol that's some extremely optimistic view point there. Women like older dudes so even at 30 he could still find a girl in her mid to late 20s that would be interested. Those seem like old women It's not all gloom and doom. It kind of is since he's miss…
/r/seduction08/08/22 04:01 PM
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If you want children 25 - 30 22-30 actually, and these are when women are the most desirable But say 30 - 32 women are the hottest - socially, professionally, physically, sexually and emotionally. 🤣 I want to know what kind of drugs you're on. What you are talking about are children 18-30 year old women are children? Wtf are you on about? 🤣 I'm assuming you're some old man that's coping with the fact that you're getting old
/r/seduction08/08/22 03:53 PM
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a life can turn around completely in 1-3 years And he'd be what? 30 ish maybe? And we haven't even taken into account how long it'll take him to find and cement a long term relationship if that's what he's looking for. Another 5-8 years? We're also assuming that the girl won't cheat on him nor break up with him or monkey branch within that time span. By then he'd be in his late 30s nearing 40, basically pointless at that time to get married depending on the age of his partner (if having kids are…
/r/seduction08/08/22 03:40 PM
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What's the "prime" according to you? 40? 🤣
/r/seduction08/08/22 03:31 PM
1

and have sex regularly with different girls every weeks. How old are those "girls"? barely a year. A year to do all of that? Lol doesn't sound right
/r/seduction08/08/22 03:18 PM
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It sounds rude, but it's just the way it is. I understand this, you're right Most girls want someone with a life lol Thing is, by the time he establishes all those friend circles, it'll be too late to look for a girl. He'd basically be looking for an old woman now, and I highly doubt OP would want to venture into retirement homes or nursing homes to look for a partner.
/r/seduction08/08/22 03:16 PM
1

I'm really sorry you're in this position OP
/r/seduction08/08/22 03:05 PM
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By the time he starts his "dating life" he'll be old and it'll be too late to start
/r/seduction08/08/22 03:04 PM
0

I don't hate them lol And they don't respond period probably because...I haven't interacted with them in a long time
/r/seduction08/08/22 02:57 PM
0

There’s nothing wrong with that happening organically. There’s a problem with targeting partners with no experience What makes you think some predatory woman wouldn't do that to a guy like OP? You seriously believe women are these angels and guys are evil? 🤦🏻‍♂️ You are telling him to target younger women for that sole reason, which is weird asf if you cannot tell I didn't say that. It's true that younger women are more desirable due to their youth and looks, if you deny this then you're delusio…
/r/seduction08/08/22 07:01 AM
1

A woman having over 50 or so partners vs a guy who's had zero. Lol if you don't see anything wrong with that, then you're delusional. The woman in hand would be the predator in this case because she'd end up taking advantage of the guy and his naiveness.
/r/seduction08/08/22 06:52 AM
0

A 20 year old dude won't compete An 18-24 year old girl would prefer 20 year old chad vs some 35 year old that has aging signs all over him and would find him creepy . Sorry, but that isn't really the case. This is some fairy tale told to below average guys so they can self improve when they're in their late 20s (pretty much too late in terms of dating).
/r/seduction08/08/22 06:39 AM
1

Tell that to Chad in his 20s that has no problem getting girls lol
/r/seduction08/08/22 06:36 AM
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Seems like a rough place to start, you're nearing 30 which is when younger women would potentially start to see your age as old and creepy. You'd basically be stuck with dating older women that have 50x more experience than you. Unless you're fine with that.
/r/seduction08/08/22 06:35 AM
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27 and zero friends, zero nothing. He's basically starting from scratch, the scratch you start off with when you're in primary school socially speaking. How long do you think it'll take him to establish all those friends and cement the friendships? 1 or 2 years? And how many years will it take for him to successfully "pursue girls" after the friendship circle phase is done? 1-5 years? By the time he finally finds someone, he'll be nearing 40. Doesn't exactly seem like a successful outcome now do…
/r/seduction08/08/22 06:33 AM
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Seems a little late for that don't you think?
/r/seduction08/08/22 06:23 AM
1

Where else are you supposed to do it then?
/r/seduction07/08/22 11:04 PM
1

Exactly, so not everything is "an excuse"
/r/seduction07/08/22 09:23 PM
1

You think not having your own place is an excuse?
/r/seduction07/08/22 09:20 PM
0

No
/r/seduction07/08/22 09:02 PM
-1

In terms of mechanics there is no limits for a man Nowadays there is, you listed some of them Maybe in your sixties or something you start having some issues due to weak heart, diabetes etc. 30s and 40s you can begin developing health issues as well (including ED) In terms of money, then 30s and 40s is your actual prime Many good looking guys in their early 20s don't have issues with girls and a bunch of them are broke. They didn't need the "money prime" to excel in that department How many time…
/r/seduction07/08/22 09:02 PM
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He's right though, he did miss out on dating in his prime
/r/seduction07/08/22 08:46 PM
2

I'm constantly obsessing over thoughts like: I'm dating past my prime, I wasted so many years where I was youthful My hair is starting to thin, my chances are going to be non-existent Younger girls aren't into men my age All the really pretty girls are taken, divorced, or have kids I'll never get married, it's too late for me I mean all of these points are basically true, and you can't really run away from these points because doing so would be running away from the truth. I truly do feel sympat…
/r/seduction07/08/22 08:45 PM
1

There's enough proof lol
/r/seduction06/08/22 08:21 PM
6

Seems like each post is a echo chamber itself
/r/seduction06/08/22 07:11 PM
1

That's a cope
/r/seduction06/08/22 12:13 AM
0

Women don't just magically fall on guys laps unless you're chad
/r/seduction05/08/22 05:55 PM
0

Not really
/r/seduction05/08/22 05:02 PM
29

Get good looking and ripped
/r/seduction05/08/22 04:14 AM
1

What?
/r/seduction04/08/22 11:44 PM
1

one will throw a great girl in your lap No, according to you that's creepy. If you are a good well put together dude that can make girls of friends According to you, also creepy
/r/seduction04/08/22 10:47 PM
3

Lol how does that work? Just curious, it'd be pretty damn awkward if a guy were to try this and there weren't any straight women in that bar/club.
/r/seduction04/08/22 03:58 AM
2

Well you're not wrong, enjoy the good cards that you were given though (while you can)
/r/seduction03/08/22 10:39 PM
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There's also plenty of confident below average guys that get no girls
/r/seduction03/08/22 10:38 PM
1

I see, makes sense now Keep trying bro change your mindset project happiness and contentment, fun and easy going you will more likely receive the same treatment. And if not dont take it personal that person has their own life going on. Yours is equally valuable so appreciate your life the same way you do the women you speak to. That's good advice, but I'm not OP (which is who this advice should be geared towards I assume)
/r/seduction03/08/22 08:03 PM
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What? I don't get it lol
/r/seduction03/08/22 05:33 PM
-1

I’m told I’m good looking and I creep women out every day by looking or smiling at them. I also have ones that light up Who tells you you're good looking? Just curious, perhaps your perception of you being "good looking" might be wrong if you do end up creeping women out by looking or smiling at them. Joining clubs is great advice. Hobbies where you mix with others etc I agree
/r/seduction03/08/22 04:54 PM
16

If he creeps women out by smiling at them, then his looks are most likely the issue
/r/seduction03/08/22 04:47 PM
1

If you're good looking yes, just look at Jeremy Meeks
/r/seduction31/07/22 03:32 AM
8

Lol exactly
/r/seduction31/07/22 03:28 AM
1

Not most men, but I see what you mean
/r/seduction31/07/22 02:52 AM
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I am 30 years old I've never had anyone hold my hand, I've never been kissed. I'm a virgin I've never been on a single damn date and I've never had a boyfriend because it never goes further than this! What the fuck am I doing wrong? Ouch, lol that one must hurt
/r/seduction31/07/22 02:30 AM
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How many should it take for a newbie according to you?
/r/seduction31/07/22 01:45 AM
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He probably doesn't take showers while touching grass
/r/seduction31/07/22 01:27 AM
3

but the message is the more approaches you do, the higher the chance So in order for him to get 10 numbers, he'd need to do 430 approaches? And out of those 10 numbers, we'll assume that only 2 of them end up as actual dates. Seems like terribly low odds eh? Assuming he does 5 approaches per day, that'd take him about 86 days to possibly finally get a date (nearly 3 months). That's assuming this guy won't give up 2 months in after constant rejection.
/r/seduction31/07/22 01:24 AM
0

Why not both?
/r/seduction31/07/22 12:15 AM
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Chicken run
/r/seduction31/07/22 12:09 AM
1

And you double down? 🤣 Good lord
/r/seduction30/07/22 11:46 PM
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Source: I’m a woman who loves to dance, not get harassed on the dance floor If she digs you, she’ll rub her ass on your crotch Lol so you decide to do the harassment yourself? 🤣
/r/seduction30/07/22 10:41 PM
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I just wanted clarification 🤷‍♂️, sorry that bothered you
/r/seduction30/07/22 10:31 PM
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What the fuck am I supposed to do? Walk over and bedazzle all five of them by pulling a hare out of a hat? 🤣 This one had me laughing
/r/seduction30/07/22 10:18 PM
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He's not wrong though
/r/seduction30/07/22 08:15 PM
4

What are you rated out of 10 in looks,
/r/seduction29/07/22 04:15 PM
1

There are numerous black pillers that still get laid lol what are you talking about?
/r/seduction29/07/22 03:47 PM
1

If you look at the blackpill in a healthy manner you include looksmaxxing as part of your game. Also gymaxxing as well, I really think the black pill is a form of self improvement
/r/seduction29/07/22 03:46 PM
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Blackpill proved to me that It's always a relief to watch more and more guys finally wake up and be exposed to this truth
/r/seduction29/07/22 03:20 PM
1

RSD got shut down What is this "RSD" and why did it get shut down?
/r/seduction28/07/22 10:54 PM
1

Do the COVID elbow salute
/r/seduction28/07/22 08:14 PM
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Yes exactly So you follow those same exact prompts when speaking to women? "May I enter your vicinity?" "May I walk over here?" "May I speak?"
/r/seduction28/07/22 08:08 PM
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Haha careful, you might upset reddit here
/r/seduction28/07/22 08:07 PM
1

It's okay, you can gain it back pretty quickly
/r/seduction28/07/22 04:24 PM
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who are able to become competently attractive through fitness and closer attention to style. I agree with the fitness part by gymaxxing, not so much with the style part since that would only bump a guy up about 0.5 points
/r/seduction28/07/22 04:15 PM
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You must follow rules 1 and 2 I'd assume
/r/seduction28/07/22 03:50 PM
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I'm trying to help out OP
/r/seduction28/07/22 05:28 AM
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and she called me a creep and said because I hadn’t asked her guy friend before her I was a perv and that I had to leave. Lol I've said this before already, guys can get called creeps for literally anything now. God forbid you're a short or ugly guy because then it would be considered a crime. It's probably best if you avoid interactions with women or even looking at them to avoid these situations
/r/seduction28/07/22 04:17 AM
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You should either find someone who will be honest or look at yourself/your approach and figure out what you are doing to creep these girls out It's probably his looks, it's probably best if OP stopped approaching girls to avoid these kinds of situations
/r/seduction28/07/22 04:13 AM
2

You forgot the part where a guy needs to live on his own
/r/seduction26/07/22 08:19 PM
1

And how does that work?
/r/seduction26/07/22 03:18 PM
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it's not all that bad tbh Lol you literally told me to not reproduce, if that's the case then it is pretty damn bad. To the point where I have to geomaxx? 🤣 asia may actually be possible for you Again, I'll stick with escorts instead and accept I'm undesirable
/r/seduction26/07/22 06:36 AM
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i wouldn't have kids to be honest, you would just be fucking up the next generation. let's be real here Hmmm, should I just off myself then? I wanted to have a family, that was my goal. I guess you have a point though, it wouldn't be wise to screw up the next generation. I'll probably do it once I reach like 40 though or something like that. I'll probably just wageslave in the meantime to help the family out. Unless of course the surrogate mother had extremely good genetics and the child got mos…
/r/seduction26/07/22 06:15 AM
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if you are 5'5" and hispanic, you may be fucked, unfortunately *you are fucked There, I fixed it for you your best bet is to relocate to a different country and pay money for a relationship I'm not going to relocate to another country and throw my career prospects away either that or date a girl that looks like a 4/10. basically a fat girl I guess I'll have to go down the route of surrogate mother and paying for escorts then 🤷‍♂️
/r/seduction26/07/22 05:46 AM
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and be looks maxed as well Doesn't this defeat your entire point though? Why would a guy have to be looksmaxxed or gymmaxed if women don't know what they want? are you a short ethnic guy? Yeah, I'm 5'5 hispanic (near truecel due to height and failing the JBW) No value really, I live in the U.S. currently.
/r/seduction26/07/22 05:17 AM
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The internet and many women I know are always lamenting about how annoying men can be approaching them at bars, the laundromat, out doing hobbies, etc. I don’t want to be that guy but have no idea how to potentially meet women outside of dating apps It seems you already answered your own question. They don't like being approached
/r/seduction26/07/22 03:44 AM
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why would a guy do that? he can still get with a girl and raise kids with her. no idea what you mean by this Because the woman can easily cheat on the guy and get away with the kids nobody gets raw physical attraction from women Lol I highly doubt that, tinder is a pretty good representation of that there was a study on this, women do not get turned on from looking at a fit and in shape man with abs and aesthetics I doubt this is true i think you're too focused on what the girl wants. chicks don…
/r/seduction26/07/22 02:59 AM
2

at that point you can just pay to fuck all the hot girls you want I understand that part, it's probably cool to have a lot of left over money for escorts and whatnot. But it will always be transactional is my point. in terms of getting a relationship, you always have the option to go to a 3rd world country and shack up with a broke chick that looks hot. yeah it's not the ideal, but when you're older and with money, you can facilitate most things It seems like the end result is the same for a lot…
/r/seduction26/07/22 02:25 AM
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Lol yep, I mean I dress pretty good, use cologne (I have a small collection now), and shower and according to half of this sub I should be drowning in attention from women 🤣 It's like they forget about the guys actual face
/r/seduction25/07/22 08:24 PM
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Lol keep coping buddy
/r/seduction25/07/22 08:14 PM
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No it’s because they are short and ugly Absolutely bruutal lol From that scammer dating coach that need to push his program? Probably from rich coper
/r/seduction25/07/22 08:13 PM
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They’re more interested in the fact that you’re clean and have a sense of style and personality This is literally the bare minimum
/r/seduction25/07/22 08:12 PM
1

Learn to read you illiterate, lol he said he wouldn't do it
/r/seduction25/07/22 07:57 PM
1

And how much older? You implied a 10 year gap, that is significantly old compared to the 21 year old girl.
/r/seduction25/07/22 07:28 PM
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FOCUS on yourself SO you can get al the women you like LATER All the women? You mean women that are looking for a safety net guy? Lol imagine working hard for years, even a decade just to finally get the attention from some 6/10 girl 🤣 Oh well You could talk to 100 women now n get 1 Right, so in other words there's no point in doing any of that until according to you in your 30s or when you're older. Or work on yourself Talk to 10 and get 5 So out of 10 women you spoke to yesterday or last week,…
/r/seduction25/07/22 07:27 PM
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Your avg 21 yo hot college girl isn’t fucking a 31 yo guy. Exactly lol, idk what this clown is on about
/r/seduction25/07/22 07:22 PM
1

This guy is delusional lol
/r/seduction25/07/22 07:09 PM
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All women love older men, don’t be silly now. This right here, is exactly the cope I meant 🤣🤣 And you actually believe it
/r/seduction25/07/22 07:08 PM
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No, it’s not about waiting and twiddling your thumbs, in this time you should be actively working on yourself. Which is what I'm doing, that doesn't mean I'm magically attractive to women while in the process As I said, what the difference between getting a degree, so you can land a good job to afford your dream car? You could work in mc d’s do 60 hours a week and lease your dream car… That's a moronic comparison, it doesn't even make sense lol For some reason you think I’m saying he should run …
/r/seduction25/07/22 07:07 PM
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Waiting until your old into your 30s to expect to have sex with the women that rejected you before is delayed gratification? Lol no, that's a cope bud And you're already assuming those girls would even be into older guys. Quit buying into PUA or Rich Coper talking points about how young women are into old guys lol
/r/seduction25/07/22 06:08 PM
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Focus on yourself then when you are old you can fuck the 21 year olds lol That's a cope
/r/seduction25/07/22 05:21 PM
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Whilst going out is a good moment, she’ll be expecting it then Going out where or when? And who is "she" in this occasion? And how do you know "she" will be expecting it? Any other spot where she is not alone and can get away and also is not forced to come back because of a membership. So what kind of places then? The key is that as a woman, you risk a lot by rejecting a man. If you’re at work, you can’t leave and it might have repercussions cause he knows you’ll be here every day. If it’s in th…
/r/seduction24/07/22 07:20 PM
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just don’t approach at the gym. Don't approach anywhere just to be safe
/r/seduction24/07/22 06:57 PM
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Therefore, the gym is not the place (I don’t want to fear coming in to do my workouts) and the street is not the place (I want to get home safely). To be fair, every place is "not the place" and I could easily come up with similar explanations for each place you would deem "appropriate". That's even if such place exists for you.
/r/seduction24/07/22 06:56 PM
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Lol 4 is on the border of 3, might as well need that facial surgery regardless (aka the "it's over" territory)
/r/seduction24/07/22 06:51 PM
1

I’m out and about, if I notice a girl checking me out Are you sure they're checking you out? How are you so sure?
/r/seduction24/07/22 06:48 AM
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Because of our looks
/r/seduction22/07/22 08:00 PM
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🤣 I actually like a similar style of salsa dancing, unfortunately there doesn't exist a "club" for it. I doubt I'd join it either way since like the above guy said, women hate guys that join those kinds of clubs
/r/seduction22/07/22 02:02 AM
1

Realistically: 4/10 (rated by WW)
/r/seduction21/07/22 10:20 PM
1

So the solution would be to not approach them anymore?
/r/seduction21/07/22 05:03 PM
1

Doesn't sound very sweet if she said that garbage demanding line
/r/seduction21/07/22 04:25 PM
4

Damn, I guess that's another skill I need to master apparently
/r/seduction21/07/22 05:18 AM
8

Flirt with a woman first and try to read her interest before randomly approaching How the hell do you flirt with a random stranger on the street before approaching them? Lol
/r/seduction21/07/22 05:13 AM
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I've never gotten a threesome by approaching a solo girl, but I have by approaching groups. Oh yeah? Now, how often has this 3some event happened? I'm assuming you're at least decently tall and good looking for this to have happened that's incel talk How? Lol
/r/seduction21/07/22 12:16 AM
4

by assuming that they are married or have a boyfriend when you talk to them This is actually pretty smart
/r/seduction20/07/22 09:33 PM
1

Attitude is irrelevant when your looks aren't desirable
/r/seduction20/07/22 08:41 PM
1

Any place could work Perhaps for attractive looking guys, for non attractive looking guys there's no such thing as "any place could work"
/r/seduction20/07/22 08:19 PM
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i’ve just found most guys even if they’re ugly don’t want to indirectly cold approach girls that are well below their mate value If I knew I was ugly, then I wouldn't try. I'd just escortmaxx instead. Why waste time with ugly women when you can pay to get with attractive women instead?
/r/seduction20/07/22 07:53 PM
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anyways people told me to kill myself cuz i was 5’4 and i’ve fucked plenty of girls in the west so it’s not as simple as “you’re short it’s over” etc for most people that aren’t in the true bottom And how many have you slept with in total? Again, if you're in a similar position to OP just save up money and pay for escorts. There's no other way around, it really is over. Especially if your face isn't good.
/r/seduction20/07/22 07:26 PM
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A group of girls would never collectively call a guy ugly unless he is an absolute cunt Lol wrong Girls in groups will instinctively recognize the confidence of a guy approaching the group and respect him than the guy trying to go for an "easy target"...a girl standing solo. 🤣 Is this what helps you sleep at night? And you don't think the guy approaching the group will be the "easy target" for that group of women to just sh*t on? I think you severely overestimate how receptive they will be to a …
/r/seduction20/07/22 07:15 PM
1

being a specimen is your only play I have no idea what this means but if you’re wealthy, have a great social life, are as funny as a professional comedian, can charm the pants off a snake, and are a little famous, then no, you don’t need abs of steel and biceps that Chris Evens would envy, you just need to not be a fat disgusting hut. Wrong, even as a slim guy you wouldn't be seen as attractive. The charm factor comes off of the halo effect which is based off of your facial anesthetics and overa…
/r/seduction20/07/22 07:10 PM
1

moving to a country that’s pooere That's pathetic lol if you’re not good loooking you shouldn’t be going direct If you're not good looking then you shouldn't even approach to begin with lol Why not just save up the money you said and spend it on attractive escorts instead? I mean afterall if you're unattractive then every encounter you get with a girl will always be extremely transactional and there will never be true attraction there. Instead of coping with landing ugly women, why not just pay …
/r/seduction20/07/22 06:59 PM
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If you want him to get laid, then you can just pay for his visits to local escorts. Moving to a 3rd world country just to get laid sounds pathetic. You said it yourself, life isn't fair. It's better to just accept your place in society (as an ugly guy who will never attract girls in his home country) instead of doing nonsense like moving to Thailand just for women. Being happy will just have to mean him moving forward and focusing on other things in life.
/r/seduction20/07/22 06:56 PM
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that doesn’t mean they can’t have success Wrong if you grind and work hard To get plastic surgery?
/r/seduction20/07/22 05:06 PM
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Doubt
/r/seduction20/07/22 05:01 PM
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I was rated a 4 by WW, and can confirm it's over for guys 4 and below
/r/seduction20/07/22 04:52 PM
1

Why not?
/r/seduction20/07/22 04:51 PM
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Cold approaches alone at a bar are a tough game to play Then why do people keep suggesting bars and clubs for guys to do these approaches? Is there an easier location/venue where this works for short unattractive guys? I'm assuming the answer is, there is no such place for said short unattractive guys.
/r/seduction20/07/22 04:51 PM
1

Being alone forever is not a viable or realistic. It's not?
/r/seduction20/07/22 04:49 PM
1

You don’t have to be Chris Hemsworth shredded Yes you do, or fairly close to it (at least have visible muscle growth and abs) else it's a waste of time I'm pretty sure Also he's 5'3, any guy attempting this that's shorter than 5'6 is also wasting his time as women want superior tall guys, not manlets (I say this as a 5'5 guy) really max out everything else, your income, your status, your game, your social abilities, humor, etc. So ideally, one should start dating and approaching girls/women at a…
/r/seduction20/07/22 04:46 PM
1

Broootal, it really is over for sub5s
/r/seduction20/07/22 04:41 PM
1

I mean he has a point, women hate it when short ugly guys approach them most of the time
/r/seduction20/07/22 04:39 PM
1

Move to SE Asia? Wtf kind of advice is this? 🤣 At that point why not just take the L?
/r/seduction20/07/22 04:38 PM
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Try approaching a group of girls.... Even worse advice, now you want a group of girls to call him ugly?
/r/seduction20/07/22 04:37 PM
1

Absolutely brutal
/r/seduction20/07/22 04:35 PM
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Nah, as of now it isn't my actual opinion. Until I'm proven wrong somehow, I'll continue to believe women hate being approached by guys. Especially by unattractive short guys (like me). But I wanted to cheer up OPs spirits, so I told him some make feel good stuff that I was told by several people to lift his spirits up.
/r/seduction20/07/22 07:47 AM
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It isn't really my opinion, it's just what I've been told apparently. My actual personal opinion is women don't like being approached at all, they dislike it especially when a short unattractive guy approaches them. Every time I stated this, I get bombarded with people saying "just be more confident, Yada Yada yada..and that girls actually like being approached" 🤷‍♂️ I'm assuming you say women also hate being approached?
/r/seduction20/07/22 07:37 AM
2

Yeah, but who knows. Try whatever works I guess and try to minimize the "creepiness factor".
/r/seduction20/07/22 03:22 AM
3

This guys is always condescending in every comment he makes lol, no need to worry about the confusion
/r/seduction20/07/22 03:20 AM
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Apparently you should do it whereever (minus a workplace like a barista I guess) and apparently a lot of girls like being approached (contrary to what reddit says). Idk, I'm not an expert
/r/seduction20/07/22 03:08 AM
0

Have you considered that perhaps it's your looks?
/r/seduction19/07/22 07:15 AM
3

So his seed won’t die off… but was it really worth it? Nope, since he'll have to pay all that money and probably not see the kid much. In that case I feel like the better alternative for a guy that wants to raise a child or something resembling a family is probably have a child with an extremely good looking and tall surrogate mother. That way, he keeps the child, doesn't lay alimony, plus the genetics of the child will hopefully be much better and that issue won't arise in the next generation o…
/r/seduction19/07/22 07:08 AM
1

How I see it is majority of 4s and similar will get screwed over somehow. If the 4s married a 3 or a 4, then obviously they didn't get with a woman they're attracted to and will be miserable forever. If the 4s married the 8, then they most likely will end up being cheated on, dumped or something similar and the relationship will always be transactional (dead bedroom, etc). I think both scenarios are equally sad and perhaps indicative that some seeds perhaps deserve to "die off"? Lol sorry if tha…
/r/seduction19/07/22 07:01 AM
0

Hmm interesting, that being said do you think certain guys are doomed to be the 4s that women just "settle for"? Also, do you think it'll be possible to convince most of these 4/10 guys that they're being used and that they aren't actually desirable to these women hence eventually having said women end up alone marriageless?
/r/seduction19/07/22 05:24 AM
2

Bruuutal lol
/r/seduction19/07/22 04:40 AM
4

Lol no
/r/seduction19/07/22 04:40 AM
3

Pretty sad that the 4 guy is pretty much the "last pick", I don't see that guy as the "winner" quite honestly. I guess the point of view you brought up, it seems neither party is the "winner"
/r/seduction19/07/22 04:39 AM
1

I'm assuming you're a girl? At what age is the cutoff do you think for this to be acceptable or for you to go to a guys house still living with his parents?
/r/seduction19/07/22 04:36 AM
1

Hmmm I see, so you're saying I have a chance afterall? Also, is getting a hotel room too much for that simple occasion(s)?
/r/seduction18/07/22 10:21 PM
2

How am I being defensive? I just asked a question
/r/seduction18/07/22 10:20 PM
6

How old are you? Or how old were you when you carried out the natural obligations with these girls?
/r/seduction18/07/22 05:54 PM
4

Why do you say he'll crush it then?
/r/seduction18/07/22 04:10 PM
4

It will limit you a slight bit How so?
/r/seduction18/07/22 03:49 PM
3

Lol you really think women have these kind of issues?
/r/seduction17/07/22 10:59 PM
0

What do you work as?
/r/seduction17/07/22 10:55 PM
2

How old are you?
/r/seduction17/07/22 10:54 PM
1

Why?
/r/seduction17/07/22 10:23 PM
1

No girl wants me
/r/seduction17/07/22 07:22 PM
1

ANYONE can rate ppl its called old True, True lol And that's an even more brutal rating too
/r/seduction16/07/22 06:27 PM
2

Secondly, just personal opinion but wheatwaffles is a moron his rating scheme is off imo Why do you say his ratings are off?
/r/seduction16/07/22 04:43 PM
1

who said creep around her? You did so be a good help & tell him what to do He did Just tell us how you do it then how about that? He did
/r/seduction16/07/22 05:52 AM
1

So guys shouldn't approach women at all then?
/r/seduction16/07/22 04:11 AM
7

to take one for the team 🤣
/r/seduction16/07/22 02:44 AM
6

I wasn't born to be a whale hunter 🤣🤣 Your wooly mammoth and sea monster line was gold as well 🤣
/r/seduction15/07/22 08:18 PM
1

I thought this was considered a crime
/r/seduction15/07/22 06:14 AM
2

🤣🤣🤣 Absolutely brutal
/r/seduction14/07/22 04:51 PM
4

Sounds like you got really lucky with that interaction lol Either way: Good job
/r/seduction14/07/22 04:44 PM
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Try approaching outside of work in a different environment and I bet your results would be drastically different. Yep, definitely
/r/seduction14/07/22 04:29 PM
2

Not only that, apparently this guy sleeps with 4 different women on some days (ones that aren't his GFs) 🤣
/r/seduction14/07/22 06:57 AM
1

Damn, you're the actual real life impersonation of "chad". How fuc*ing surreal 🤣 Good job 👏
/r/seduction14/07/22 06:11 AM
0

I don't understand why guys would even be jealous of other successful guys, it's not their fault that said guy is in the sh*ts
/r/seduction13/07/22 08:06 PM
2

I don't have a good job though What cs job do you have if you don't mind answering? Did you have to grind leetcode for it?
/r/seduction13/07/22 07:51 PM
1

The bottom line is, looks only get you through the gate. Looks are like getting the interview; to get the job, you need to actually be competent and pass the interview And how the hell are you supposed to get the job if you can't even land the interviews to begin with? Lol this post is a massive cope
/r/seduction13/07/22 07:43 PM
1

So every guy that's single in this position is building a fortune 500 company? 🤣
/r/seduction12/07/22 07:21 AM
1

So every guy that's single in this position is building a fortune 500 company? 🤣
/r/seduction12/07/22 07:21 AM
4

I'm glad someone finally said it, instead of the happy positive nonsense I keep seeing get posted
/r/seduction12/07/22 07:20 AM
0

So you're tall and good looking, I'm a 4/10 and short How does any of this have to do with "mindset"?
/r/seduction12/07/22 05:44 AM
1

I've picked up girls solo How tall are you and what would you say your attractiveness rating is /10? If you think you're a creep you're done What I think is irrelevant, I don't think I'm a creep but that isn't what girls might think it seems
/r/seduction12/07/22 03:45 AM
1

I do very well on dates or in more chill face to face settings Well I can't exactly get dates due to looks and short height, so I'm assuming that's out of the question for me And what are "face to face settings"? Gotta figure out how to place yourself in situations where you can be yourself and lean on your strengths I don't know what these "strengths" you speak of or "me being myself". I don't think I'm ever "not myself".
/r/seduction12/07/22 03:41 AM
4

😂 if you’re ugly then you’ll become a creep Yep, that's why I hate going out. Because when I do go out, I go alone hence seen as a creep
/r/seduction12/07/22 03:24 AM
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Own what? That I'll be seen as a creep if I go alone? Pretty sure my "confidence" won't be able to masquerade how women see me (as a loner creep). I mean the guy above me basically already confirmed that fact. don't make up some lame excuse she'll see through What do you mean by "lame excuse" btw?
/r/seduction12/07/22 03:16 AM
4

Pretty much my suspicions were right then, might as well not even try to date it seems then. Everything I do will be seen as creepy. Guess I'll have to settle for camgirls and escorts
/r/seduction12/07/22 03:07 AM
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Going to a club solo is a pretty big red flag for most girls This one time I went, a guy went by himself. He was constantly talking to multiple girls throughout that night. He was tall and good looking obviously. Point being is...well...your point is nonsense In that case everything is a red flag to girls. People will notice and you’ll quickly get labeled a creep. Even just talking to one girl will get you labeled a creep, might as well not even try and stick to dating apps at this point.
/r/seduction12/07/22 02:10 AM
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Brooootal
/r/seduction11/07/22 11:31 PM
3

Ew
/r/seduction11/07/22 08:41 PM
6

go fuck fat girls and older women in their 50's. Ew
/r/seduction11/07/22 08:40 PM
3

Tf are you on about?
/r/seduction11/07/22 05:55 PM
46

She just offered to put away the mat for him, lol is it really that serious?
/r/seduction10/07/22 06:29 AM
1

Gringo is the closest thing I can think of that resembles it. Well I'm not ethnically Caucasian American, the closest insult I'd receive would be "beaner" or "spic" You don't need to be a stoner to get hawaiian girls Right, but from your experience it seems like your biggest point of attraction was that you smoked weed? I mean I don't even know how to meet girls to begin with, I've never done anything with any girl before. and yes I really do mean the shark infested waters but also the waves are…
/r/seduction07/07/22 06:51 AM
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Trash take
/r/seduction07/07/22 06:29 AM
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DMV is where people go to get their vehicle drivers licenses in the states. One of the things that's "socialized"/state run over here. It's terrible most of the time and it creates very long lines
/r/seduction07/07/22 06:22 AM
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I'm assuming you're not an American
/r/seduction07/07/22 06:20 AM
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Because if you curated a good online dating profile and social media You need to have good looks for that though, having a nice tidied up dating profile won't do sh*t if you're a 4/10 or lower. Picking up women is much easier and more efficient It's definitely more efficient, but only for above average looking guys
/r/seduction07/07/22 05:23 AM
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Why on earth would anyone want a gold digger?
/r/seduction07/07/22 02:17 AM
2

And the girls will chase your money. You mean gold diggers?
/r/seduction07/07/22 02:15 AM
2

How did you land a data engineer job btw? Were you a software developer/engineer beforehand?
/r/seduction07/07/22 02:15 AM
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It sure as hell increases your chances if you have a bad face or short height
/r/seduction07/07/22 02:14 AM
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Because white people are the superior race (I say this as a non white btw)
/r/seduction06/07/22 08:45 PM
1

The stats will depend on how tall and good looking you are
/r/seduction06/07/22 06:48 PM
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If you know a bit of hawaiian culture you'll get far and not be treated like a Haole. If you smoke weed and surf you're pretty much in. I don't really know much about Hawaiian culture, and what's a Haole? Not a pot smoker either, I could learn how to surf though. Yeah I'm definitely not on the top tier list of guys just by your criteria you listed it seems lol Big tip for your trip: Don't go into non-touristy spots unless you're with locals both for your safety (especially beaches the locals kno…
/r/seduction06/07/22 05:52 AM
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lots of night life, but get out of waikiki, those are all tourists. dating apps are also pretty meh, lots of tourists are here to get brown girls during their visit too. Where do you recommend going then? I was planning on getting a hotel in the Waikiki area for the beach, is there a better place with a beachfront type hotel? I wanted to visit the Arizona as well. Dating apps are bad for me regardless since I'm not above a 7/10 in looks, and I'm short as well. mexican, dudes are a hit as well. N…
/r/seduction06/07/22 05:47 AM
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Yes
/r/seduction05/07/22 05:53 PM
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But I'm a mestizo, that's already a give away that I'm not ethnically Caucasian American, you sure that isn't an issue? I mean I know most girls prefer ethnically Caucasian, Nordic looking guys.
/r/seduction05/07/22 03:09 AM
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it's hit or miss. Overall I, late 20s hispanic dude, did have way better luck than in the US Are you mestizo, Euro-white, mulatto? I should have clarified that from the beginning. I'm a 5'5" somewhat light skinned mestizo, slightly darker than a Caucasian but lighter than a dark skinned mestizo or mulatto. I'm assuming being white vs being short mestizo like me makes a huge difference. Worst luck in a European country I had was Spain. In my experience, even the girls who were interested and all …
/r/seduction05/07/22 02:10 AM
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Yes
/r/seduction05/07/22 12:18 AM
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What if I'm a hispanic guy lol am I just sh*t out of luck then?
/r/seduction05/07/22 12:00 AM
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I appreciate all the thought you put into your replies Thanks :)
/r/seduction04/07/22 12:25 AM
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I really, truly hope it's not as bleak as you say... Like I said, that's our reality now, I wish it was easier or there was another way. Unfortunately there's not. I mean people get married or cohabitate all the time. Not so much amongst younger people now, you said it yourself and even gave some reasons for it (your 5 points). I hope you meet someone special. :) At this rate I wouldn't count on it
/r/seduction04/07/22 12:25 AM
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Yeah society is becoming more and more hostile towards men Yep, we men are the boogeyman villains now. And ironically they want us to be happy about it If approaching is banned then it makes it pretty much impossible Exactly, if is basically impossible for guys now. If anything is considered creepy, then that leaves little room for error. I think the indirect approach is preferable What do you mean "indirect approach"?
/r/seduction03/07/22 10:18 PM
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You are being so pessimistic. :) Nope, I'm simply telling you how things are as a guy :) If that's pessimistic for you, then I'm not sure what to say. That's simply our reality The guy in the mall must have done something creepy to get banned, OR the girl had a lot of clout (rich family or something like that) You're right, he did do something Creepy. He spoke to/approached a girl. I guess I should have said pick a girl is as good-looking or not quite as good-looking as the guy So you want guys …
/r/seduction03/07/22 10:14 PM
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What?
/r/seduction03/07/22 08:48 PM
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You're still arguing with me when you could be out talking to women... You don't have much of a life do you?
/r/seduction03/07/22 08:47 PM
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Same line again, you really have zero arguments huh
/r/seduction03/07/22 08:45 PM
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Isn't this exactly what you're doing right now? Lol shouldn't you be getting laid with women left and right? Instead you're here arguing with me. You're no different than me bud
/r/seduction03/07/22 08:43 PM
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Ah right, now that you couldn't back up your own arguments apparently I'm a troll now. Lol okay
/r/seduction03/07/22 08:39 PM
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Instead of debating a dude, ask a damn WOMAN Why? They didn't make the argument, you did lol You have no game Correct, but that's irrelevant since I'm below average in looks and height. Hence game would make a negligible impact. But for anyone who wants to actually get laid and not try to look hard on Reddit, try to be different than all the clowns who come up to her each day telling her she is beautiful or cute or whatever. Shit ain’t working. So should we just pay for it then or what according…
/r/seduction03/07/22 08:35 PM
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Nearly every guy she interacts with is doing so with the intent (or at least leaving the option open) of putting his d@&k into her. How many is nearly every guy? 80% of the guys interacting with them? 60%? Instead of arguing with another dude, ask WOMEN and get your answer instead of trying to dissect a math equation. You're the one that brought up this claim, you made it, own up to it. I called you out on it being BS most of the time because it doesn't make sense that they're being offered d@&k…
/r/seduction03/07/22 08:13 PM
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Whoa, that's a rather dramatic conclusion Not really, check the stats for the rising number of young male virgins. That trend will only continue to increase among guys. It's a numbers game, and as long as you are polite and back off at the appropriate time, you will not face "grave" consequences But you said to not carry out predatory behavior like randomly call some stranger cute, but yet now you're treating this like a "numbers game"? Now you're assigning people a number? Like "oh, woman numbe…
/r/seduction03/07/22 07:58 PM
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Women are offered d@&k hundreds of times each day. That doesn't sound quite realistic lol. And I said outside of social media. You're telling me with the span of 16 hours (we'll assume she sleeps for 8 hours), that she receives d@&k offering hundreds of times for those 16 hours? Let's assume 200 times in that time span. That means she gets approached around 13 times per hour and all of those approaches are guys offering her their d@&k? I mean the math doesn't quite add up lol especially when it'…
/r/seduction03/07/22 07:49 PM
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Has she really been hit on that many times though? Excluding social media
/r/seduction03/07/22 07:43 PM
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That's my point, everything can now be seen as creepy. And suppose a guy has never approached a girl in his life and hence has no idea how to read women, that means said guy is just screwed as he won't ever be able to approach any girl without coming off as a creep. And as we all know, coming off as a creep unintentionally has grave consequences now. Meaning many guys will probably end up never finding anyone.
/r/seduction03/07/22 07:42 PM
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Then tell her that you want her ig/number so that you can stay in contact You are a weirdo by asking for her number as well. Imagine some random dude you barely just met walks up to you and asks for your number after asking mundane things like if she's a local. Learn to communicate normally
/r/seduction03/07/22 07:33 PM
1

ask “can I compliment you?” Sounds like a terrible line
/r/seduction03/07/22 07:31 PM
1

Smiling shyly can definitely seem creepy and predatory, also asking something as mundane as "what's good here" can definitely get a girl asking herself "is this creep trying to get into my pants?"
/r/seduction03/07/22 07:28 PM
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The best you can do is smile shyly and comment about the environment or ask a question like, "What's good here." That seems like a predatory approach as well
/r/seduction03/07/22 07:21 PM
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Why are women so damn complicated? Lol good lord, I mean people write entire books just to try to understand them 🤣
/r/seduction03/07/22 05:55 PM
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Go talk to women! That's not normal though, that's considered creepy. Women aren't walking vags that guys can just go up and bother. They're humans that will be uncomfortable with a random guy talking to them. That's disgusting behavior. Just don't record us like numbers and search us down in places you don't even belong! Agreed as well Un sub from this misogynistic bullshit and go be a normal functioning social person I don't know what you think normal is, whatever you may think it is probably …
/r/seduction01/07/22 07:22 AM
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Yes I know, that's how normal people meet! Nope, according to you that's considered creepy. There's a difference between approaching a woman you happen to see at an event, and going to college campuses and malls SPECIFICALLY to hit on as many women as possible Nope, no difference at all actually. Both are considered creepy. Like who does a guy think he is to just approach a girl and interrupt her while she's enjoying the event or concert or whatever she's at? The guy has no right to interrupt he…
/r/seduction01/07/22 07:18 AM
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So you're telling me it's perfectly acceptable as a 24 year old guy currently job hunting (gymaxxing as well) while living with his parents to pursue girls? Nothing wrong with that? But I agree, youth shouldn't be wasted by not dating, it's simply put that women expect many boxes of me to be checked off that I probably don't have checked off (tall, muscular, high paying job, good face, etc)
/r/seduction01/07/22 05:51 AM
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90% of people meet because they were put in the circumstances to meet: at work, through a friend, at a party, at school, etc. Places that two people ended up, because of a COMMOM factor That's bs too. People may have been put together out of circumstance or common factor but someone still had to make an escalating move or else they'd just remain platonic friends. Meaning according to you, whoever made said first move would be considered not normal creepy behavior. So all those people that met th…
/r/seduction01/07/22 03:52 AM
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This is not normal behavior. It is awkward, it is weird. Girls are going to be shy, awkward, standoffish So how do guys meet girls then?
/r/seduction01/07/22 03:42 AM
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None of these things are what's holding you back. You are Me? What's holding me back according to you? Models by mark manson can help What's this about?
/r/seduction01/07/22 03:40 AM
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Even the 30 year old still living with mom, working at Walmart or Burger King, can pull girls and bring them home Lol that guy would have to be extremely good looking and/or ripped for that to happen to him saving for a downpayment on a house, That's what I'm doing, not exactly sure how much more I need to save but it will take at least another year or 2. I think it’s generally more accepted for people to stay with their parents longer these days, due to the rising cost of living, student loan d…
/r/seduction30/06/22 09:52 PM
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It’s about your personality For the initial spark, no not really actually Start by setting a psychologist What the hell is a psychologist going to do? Set me up with his/her daughter or something? 🤣
/r/seduction30/06/22 09:43 PM
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Lol okay, girls can detect that but apparently they can't detect wife beaters? What happened to their magical powers in those situations?
/r/seduction30/06/22 08:10 PM
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At what age does this become unacceptable though? I'm assuming a 18-22 year old guy can probably get away with this, but anything 24 years old and beyond that I'd assume girls would see it as something negative, or am I wrong? I'm 24 myself.
/r/seduction30/06/22 07:55 PM
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By this time I noticed that girls were checking me out while they're giving me clear hints How can you be certain of this? What if they simply spaced out or something similar and weren't ever checking you out?
/r/seduction30/06/22 05:29 PM
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There are a bunch of them that are though, I'm 5'5" myself and my odds are significantly worse than because of that 2 inch difference.
/r/seduction30/06/22 05:09 PM
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Correct, but the idea is to check off as many boxes as possible. Having the money box checked off is better than nothing, especially if a guy is short and unattractive looking.
/r/seduction30/06/22 04:26 PM
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now, if you’re still living with mom and she’s delivering chicken tendies or PB&J with the crusts cut off to your room… So guys should not date or try to date or talk to girls until they move out?
/r/seduction30/06/22 04:15 PM
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You have placed no effort on seeking what you can improve, rather than just complain How do you know I'm not currently improving what can be improved? I'm currently looks and gymaxxing to have better odds who ends up repelling anyone because of your horrible attitude and outlook from the get go This isn't a problem since I don't meet girls nor interact with them either way.
/r/seduction30/06/22 03:52 PM
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Womens' looks are much more important to guys than guys' looks are women. Then why is it that women are pickier than guys when it comes to looks on dating apps? What happened to charisma there? Yes average guys can absolutely pick up hot women, if you have charisma, you're confident, funny, know how to keep a conversation going, and can read her body language, you're already above 80% of guys, handsome or not Possibly, yes
/r/seduction30/06/22 03:50 PM
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you obviously have no idea how dating works. You're right Unattractive men who are actually nice to be around and likeable have no trouble dating Very rare occurrence among younger guys though
/r/seduction30/06/22 03:29 PM
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Tall and good looking guys do as well
/r/seduction30/06/22 03:25 PM
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5'7 is still better than 5'5" and shorter. Height absolutely matters, the shorter you are the worst your chances are.
/r/seduction30/06/22 03:20 PM
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Woman here...physique is not the most important thing. Nor is money. Do you speak for all women then? In other words, someone with a good personality who also knows how to listen and give-and-take. 🤦🏻‍♂️ You're already assuming the guy is good looking, women typically don't want this from a short, unattractive or even broke guy.
/r/seduction30/06/22 03:17 PM
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It's not
/r/seduction30/06/22 02:57 PM
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Pretty women are just people too. People that know they're put on a pedestal and hence get on their high horse lol. They know they're desires by a bunch of guys hence turn ruthless when it comes to them approaching said "pretty women". The worst they are going to say is that they are not interested. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Not even close
/r/seduction30/06/22 07:42 AM
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physique, asthestic and style and likeability/charisma I think physique is probably the most important one, I don't know what aesthetic means. But style will not really help you if you're a 4/10 short guy in looks. It would probably just bump said guy to a 4.5/10. I definitely know average looking dudes with no money who are able to get women because they are good with game, workout and believe they can close Your definition of "average" is probably not actually average. Said guys you're describ…
/r/seduction30/06/22 07:40 AM
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with the defeated mindset Women can smell the desperation on them for a mile away How can said guys have desperation yet be defeatist? It doesn't make any sense and it's contradictory in itself. If a guy is self defeatist then that means he probably doesn't have desperation since he already knows he has virtually zero chance of getting a girl. The desperate guy would be a guy that actually thinks he has a chance, hence not being self defeatist. With better self esteem he’ll stop worrying about w…
/r/seduction30/06/22 07:37 AM
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Also he said to work on self esteem, lol wth is that going to do for him?
/r/seduction30/06/22 07:31 AM
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Yes you're correct, having just money won't be enough. You must also have good looks, good facial structure and above average height. Something said "tech nerds" probably don't have. The idea is to check off as many boxes as possible, but at least checking off the money box but missing the looks, and face boxes is better than nothing
/r/seduction30/06/22 07:30 AM
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You don't need money to get girls. You can be broke and still get laid. Wrong The assumption that women only like "white boys" seems incorrect to me too. The white race is seen as superior to a lot of women out there though Read this thing, apply it, enjoy. Lol I didn't realize how easy it is to possibly infect someone's phone with malware. All it takes is to provide a bait link with a download
/r/seduction30/06/22 07:28 AM
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Lol stop giving OP misleading advice
/r/seduction30/06/22 07:25 AM
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I'm trying, but looksmaxxing and gymaxxing will take me a while
/r/seduction28/06/22 02:06 AM
2

trying to bait out a response What are you talking about?
/r/seduction27/06/22 10:54 PM
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You must be pretty tall and good looking then lol
/r/seduction27/06/22 08:30 PM
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Lol and apparently everytime I say a woman can magically falsely accuse you of harassment or get you banned simply for saying hi and paying a compliment isn't going to happen, yet it does happen and OP is proof of that. Simply put, interacting with women has become like treading an active minefield, completely ridiculous.
/r/seduction27/06/22 02:15 AM
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Lol you accuse the guy of being an in*el yet you use their own sub cultures memes?
/r/seduction25/06/22 07:46 PM
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🤷‍♂️ And I'm supposed to just magically believe you?
/r/seduction25/06/22 07:40 PM
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I think there's a truth to the black pill, it's just how you accept said truth is the issue. You can either choose to isolate yourself or some stupid thing like that or try to get to work. I did the latter, I started looksmaxxing and gymaxxing and dressing better all-around so I could try to increase my rating. If I would have never discovered the black pill, I would have probably stayed conformist and not tried anything to improve my looks.
/r/seduction25/06/22 07:37 PM
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The truth right here, and that's a fair talking point but apparently not appropriate to bring up here lol
/r/seduction25/06/22 07:36 PM
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for smashing a girl who doesn’t date short guys Haha brooootal, that is how a lot of girls feel about short guys though. They simply see us as "inferior", yeah those guys attacking you need to learn their place for sure though and start accepting their reality.
/r/seduction25/06/22 07:35 PM
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Seduction does work, if you're at a certain level of looks though. Agree or disagree?
/r/seduction25/06/22 07:33 PM
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Even though statistics back up their talking points?
/r/seduction25/06/22 07:32 PM
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Quote it please, it's not hard to do so
/r/seduction25/06/22 07:30 PM
1

Can we not advocate for self improvement but also recognize that good looking people have an advantage in dating as well?
/r/seduction25/06/22 07:29 PM
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Give me an exact sentence where he's blaming his own lack of dating like you said on looks. Actually quote it. There's a difference between placing blame and making a simple observation that everyone knows by the way.
/r/seduction25/06/22 07:27 PM
2

I don't see him blaming anything or anyone. Why do people always make this dumb remark when saying something that's inherently true in dating? (That looks are a major part of the equation)
/r/seduction25/06/22 07:17 PM
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Attractive men won't have a 100% success rate, it's moronic to believe that (what you're implying). But they sure as hell have a higher success rate than a short unattractive looking guy and that's not even debatable. Looks are a major part of it
/r/seduction25/06/22 07:08 PM
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Agreed, I don't know why people keep denying looks don't matter when they do
/r/seduction25/06/22 07:05 PM
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Btw for the checking me out story, i'm very insecure so whenever i see a girl checking me out i start to doubt that she's looking at me What makes you arrive to the conclusion that a girl is checking you out? Yeah but It depends, maybe for a girl i'm a 10 and for another i'm a 2. kind of. I'd argue attractiveness is objective to a large extent, but that's a different discussion.
/r/seduction24/06/22 08:41 PM
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Lol what? How am I wrong? It's true that every person wants a partner they find attractive, it's just simply that attractiveness is mostly objective 🤷‍♂️
/r/seduction24/06/22 08:40 PM
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like even if those girls weren't really checking me out it's ok cause my confidence is telling me that Lol what? Doesn't that mean you're just deluding yourself at that point? I mean there's an objective truth, it's either they were or they weren't checking you out. The important part is to approach Agreed
/r/seduction24/06/22 08:10 PM
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Looks and height are only part of the equation. They're a major part of the equation
/r/seduction24/06/22 08:09 PM
0

Damn, you must be pretty good looking and tall if you get "checked out" on multiple occasions
/r/seduction24/06/22 06:30 PM
1

by thinking you're not good enough But this could be a genuine reason though, you not being good enough as a guy
/r/seduction22/06/22 06:42 PM
0

Give up on what exactly? Everything datingwise, including "beating off" It feels good but it serves no purpose. I agree Get out there and approach women. If you need tips on this dm me. I help dudes out for free Kind of, since unattractive guys can't really approach girls without being deemed as creeps. That's what holds me back, are my looks it seems. How would you help on that exactly?
/r/seduction22/06/22 03:57 PM
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Think of it like this. Not releasing through porn will force you to find a woman. Not really, it might just make a guy give up altogether
/r/seduction22/06/22 06:27 AM
2

Who cares if youre short Women do, especially OP it seems Ur still human *subhuman. At least in women's eyes
/r/seduction21/06/22 05:08 AM
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He was too full of himself, especially for a short guy. 🤣🤣🤣 Absolutely broootal. Just more proof that us manlets are seen as inferior to women.
/r/seduction21/06/22 03:24 AM
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Explaining any women wear skimpy clothing So them entering "the heat" is your explanation? Lol and I'm assuming this every women will wear said clothing every 15 or so days like you said, then how tf does that work during the winter mr I know everything about women?
/r/seduction20/06/22 02:38 PM
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Primera vez que veo una pregunta en español 🤣 Dudo que los angloparlantes aquí vayan a responder
/r/seduction20/06/22 06:43 AM
1

Because she's hotter, and the reason she's hotter is because she seems more youthful while the 35F seems to have aging features on her face.
/r/seduction20/06/22 05:14 AM
1

I haven't posted on true rate me, I'm afraid people will recognize me on there from irl lol But yeah I'm also a 4/10, I was rated 4 by wheat waffles. Approaching and dating in general will be borderline impossible for us below average guys unfortunately. But that's just how things are, genetic determinism is brutal lol
/r/seduction20/06/22 04:30 AM
5

The 25F girl is more attractive
/r/seduction20/06/22 04:00 AM
4

What in the world are you on about? Lol
/r/seduction20/06/22 03:53 AM
1

How attractive are you (objectively speaking) from 1-10?
/r/seduction20/06/22 03:24 AM
2

Do you approach at all?
/r/seduction20/06/22 02:58 AM
1

That it probably won't happen and to move on and focus on other things like career and hobbies
/r/seduction19/06/22 07:21 PM
0

True, it's over for guys now lol Edit: especially sub 5s
/r/seduction19/06/22 04:55 PM
1

And you represent every short guy?
/r/seduction18/06/22 11:46 PM
1

Shorter dudes get girls all the time Not really
/r/seduction18/06/22 03:28 PM
1

What? I mean she could just be looking for attention, doesn't really mean anything.
/r/seduction18/06/22 06:04 AM
0

It doesn't mean anything
/r/seduction18/06/22 05:52 AM
1

The people that shit on online dating are the ones that didn’t do well on it True, well I don't shit on it but I'm able to recognize that I'm undesirable looking so I obviously don't do good on them (zero matches). But it certainly does only work on a specific subset of guys, guys that are at least above a 6/10 in looks
/r/seduction18/06/22 04:02 AM
2

If you're good looking yes, if you're sub 5 then no
/r/seduction18/06/22 03:52 AM
0

Agreed, but that spark mostly comes from a guys looks though. In other words, if you aren't good looking enough then there won't ever be a spark.
/r/seduction18/06/22 12:41 AM
1

I'd argue even after perseverance some guys are just meant to be weeded out due to their looks. I'm one of those guys, good thing I won't be weeded out since I'll have a kid with a surrogate mother perhaps 5-10 years down the road but those who don't do what I'll probably have to do are going to be weeded out either way no matter how hard they try.
/r/seduction17/06/22 10:20 PM
1

I'm aware of this. But I'd still argue average and below average guys are still generally screwed
/r/seduction17/06/22 10:11 PM
1

Sexy shy guys are succesful Yeah, but RIP ugly or below average looking shy guys
/r/seduction17/06/22 09:48 PM
3

Mine?
/r/seduction10/06/22 08:11 PM
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Then why did you post it knowing only 12 year olds were going to see it? 🤡🤡🤡
/r/seduction10/06/22 07:53 PM
9

The men that's haven't, they are happy with themselves and have hobbies and focus on priorities in life. Are you sure they're happy? We're pretty good at masquerading ourselves because we're ridiculed and viewed as weak if we do so. I have a career and hobbies and enjoy doing them, but I sure as shit ain't happy with the fact that I still haven't dated yet. But I obviously don't put that up on display in public to the people that know me.
/r/seduction10/06/22 07:02 AM
1

You're right, there's a chance you could land a date and there's a chance you could receive harassment or SA charges
/r/seduction10/06/22 03:20 AM
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You act like guys can afford to be picky, most of the time this isn't the case. You have the luxury to be picky because you're a woman.
/r/seduction10/06/22 03:16 AM
1

I agree with this, it always baffles me how women say "it just happens" or "just be yourself" or similar garbage lines. Everything seems to have to be carefully planned out and executed. It's like magic from a magician. To the magician a card trick is just another trick the person knows and has mastered, but to the audience it's magic.
/r/seduction10/06/22 01:55 AM
1

Everything is weird and creepy now tbh
/r/seduction09/06/22 10:26 PM
1

Did that, still zero likes/matches
/r/seduction09/06/22 10:13 PM
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🤣🤣 I was a huge zombies nerd, did pretty much every Easter egg when the maps came out. This got a good laugh out of me
/r/seduction09/06/22 09:15 PM
1

Why?
/r/seduction09/06/22 03:37 PM
1

And we'll be getting one soon
/r/seduction09/06/22 03:37 PM
1

But even below average looking guys can find the confidence to chat up pretty women and be successful, right? Thats what is kind of up to debate. If you want to shoot your shots by all means do it, but just understand beforehand that your looks will always be judged when approaching or whatever shots your attempting. It's called the halo effect. Perhaps you can be charming or funny enough to an extreme point where the halo effect just will be put on override and thus have a successful encounter.…
/r/seduction09/06/22 05:44 AM
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You know, I was honestly in your same exact situation when I first got on dating apps. I also didn't get matches nor likes but my overly optimistic brain told me "maybe it's my pics that are bad" or "maybe my bio is bad" and "I can't be that ugly". Low and behold, I got pics taken by a photographer and bio rewrite by people multiple times and still had zero likes and matches. but maybe I’m not that good looking after all If you didn't get matches on bumble then I'm sorry to break it to you but y…
/r/seduction09/06/22 05:21 AM
2

Not arrogant at all, but you must be honest with yourself and actually know where you stand exactly. Have you been on tinder or any dating apps?
/r/seduction09/06/22 05:04 AM
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Are you a below average looking guy?
/r/seduction09/06/22 04:36 AM
-1

I agree with the mental health part, not the firearms part
/r/seduction09/06/22 03:54 AM
3

Kind of true, so basically we're fucked in the states lol
/r/seduction09/06/22 03:52 AM
1

In what time span?
/r/seduction09/06/22 03:51 AM
1

🤣🤣🤣🤣
/r/seduction09/06/22 03:50 AM
0

And how much success have you had?
/r/seduction09/06/22 03:49 AM
0

I choose to do the latter. So you choose to delude yourself?
/r/seduction09/06/22 03:37 AM
5

Is that why there's so much disparity and division between genders? We should keep it up for another couple decades and see when this ticking time bomb will finally explode. The number of in*els will only keep rising, and I guarantee you that won't be a good thing lol
/r/seduction09/06/22 03:36 AM
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Would she find any of your activities fun to do with you, or to accompany you on? Not with me in particular, I'm sure she'd find them fun with a better looking guy but your evidence thus far has been a consistent zero matches on OLD, yes? Correct DM me your pics Sure
/r/seduction08/06/22 03:55 PM
5

rather than being balls deep in some chick. Is that why your dumbass made this post? To argue with people on the internet 🤣🤡 If you have no arguments just say so and move on No, I just don't have infinite patience for losers who get off by being 'right' on the internet You had enough to write out a whole thesis of a post though right mr busy man?
/r/seduction08/06/22 07:00 AM
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🤣🤣 You're already scared of being proven wrong you backed out prematurely 🤣 Nothing new here
/r/seduction08/06/22 06:53 AM
0

In reality, looks helps the most in the first minute of an interaction Which is the most crucial moment why are you focused on the narrow set of limitations without serious working to overcome them through other means?' This is just a huge sentence for saying "lower your standards and date fat ugly women" You can change your facial structure through working out, relaxation techniques, and mewing Working out will lower by face BF%, it will not change my bone arrangements in my face. Those are gen…
/r/seduction08/06/22 06:35 AM
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Looks are changeable, homie To an extent, I can't change my height nor my ethnicity/skin color. I could perhaps change parts of my facial structure but that would be through really expensive surgeries. If you sent me a photo, I could easily point out the top three changes that need to be made to be more attractive. I can spot at least a dozen changes but if you want I'll feed your curiosity. Most of these changes would have to be through surgeries But once you've maxxxed out looks, it does come …
/r/seduction08/06/22 06:16 AM
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Yet another moron claiming personality matters more than looks 🤣🤣 Apparently there has also been a rise in clowns in this sub as we can see OP is one
/r/seduction08/06/22 06:05 AM
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The quality is part of the content. If your picture is blurry as fuck, if you're looking straight up your nostrils, if you're wearing crappy clothing, if you're in a run down part of town or against a white wall in your apartment, these things all get noticed. If it's an otherwise great photo of a guy with missing teeth and a huge nose, like, yes, it could be his problem, but my point is to look at everything else first. You should exhaust all options and get direct feedback before simply throwi…
/r/seduction08/06/22 05:37 AM
2

You're very brave, you got lucky her friends didn't decide to report you or any of that. I commend your bravery
/r/seduction08/06/22 03:47 AM
1

Now let's get off the apps and go meet some women. I agree, but the million dollar question is: where?
/r/seduction08/06/22 03:41 AM
0

A lot of guys assume their lack of success in dating generally stems from their lack of physical attractiveness And there's a high probability that their assumption is correct. they go on to cut themselves out of the market. How do they cut themselves out of the market? Your photos are poor presentations of your appearance, boring, or have some other flaw that either repels or fails to attract women. Wrong, even if a guy that is below average got quality pics taken it wouldn't make a difference.…
/r/seduction08/06/22 03:38 AM
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the majority of guys are seen as undesirable on swiping apps. True, am I wrong? Why are you in this sub if you believe that To offer a different perspective, it's not always best to be in an echo chamber. The basic axiom of this sub is that that isn't true. And do you believe that?
/r/seduction08/06/22 03:22 AM
0

That the majority of guys are seen as undesirable, it proves the blck pll to be correct
/r/seduction08/06/22 02:54 AM
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That's just you trying to hide from the truth
/r/seduction08/06/22 02:39 AM
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Yep
/r/seduction08/06/22 02:04 AM
1

Not really, perception as you see it is sometimes just a way of "comforting" ourselves from the sometimes brutal and uncomfortable reality. Example: Guys don't get many like due to the algorithm. Even though when requesting data, you can clearly see your profile is in fact being shown but simply are being discarded by women.
/r/seduction08/06/22 01:16 AM
0

Perhaps castration?
/r/seduction07/06/22 06:59 PM
0

Even if it's the truth?
/r/seduction07/06/22 06:22 PM
0

Moral of the story: don’t talk to girls, and stay in your zone. Yep, but apparently according to women and other guys stories like you don't ever happen and are just pity parties. I truly feel bad for what you went through in that situation
/r/seduction05/06/22 06:39 AM
3

But if you managed to get girls to make out with you I'm assuming you're part of the "attractive guys" batch though right?
/r/seduction29/05/22 04:30 AM
0

You must be taller and good looking for this to have worked at the clubs lol
/r/seduction29/05/22 04:12 AM
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If you don't plan on approaching, then why bother being this subreddit? I think I'm going to have to try again, dating apps didn't work for me so that basically forces me to try approaching again it seems.
/r/seduction28/05/22 11:46 PM
1

You being able to being able to pull off those approaching stats with your looks rating and height. I'm am inch shorter, probably a bit uglier but couldn't ever succeed lol
/r/seduction28/05/22 01:37 AM
1

Lol what on earth, damn...I don't know what to say. What an inspiration lol
/r/seduction28/05/22 12:45 AM
1

Damn lol, how tall and good looking are you btw?
/r/seduction27/05/22 11:09 PM
1

I think it’s an ego boost or sum Most likely the case
/r/seduction27/05/22 11:08 PM
1

Do you just go to clubs or do you go to different places?
/r/seduction27/05/22 06:42 PM
1

I didn't keep track of back when I was in college. But around 40-50 approaches in 3-4 years (including some outside of college like clubs) Zero contacts Zero dates I make it a dedicated block of time to do the approaches I see, so take like an hour or two to do the approaching then just carry on doing whatever else?
/r/seduction27/05/22 06:23 PM
1

So about 2-4 girls per day? And do you go out just to have fun yourself or do you deliberately make it the objective/goal to approach girls? And out of those 6-12 girls per weekend, what is your "success ratio"? Ex: 1 date out of those 12, phone #s out of those 12, etc?
/r/seduction27/05/22 06:03 PM
1

How tall are you and how good looking are you OP?
/r/seduction27/05/22 05:38 PM
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That's what I'm saying 🤷‍♂️ I guess it's not politically correct to say females anymore, idk
/r/seduction27/05/22 05:36 PM
2

I see this literally in any of the dating subs when a guy references girls or women as females. Hell, some even get trashed on for calling them girls lol "Okay, so first of all they're called WOMEN, not girls as they're grown ups NOW!" Or "Okay first of all, stop calling us/them females. We're/they're women pal!" But yet women are apparently free to call themselves that 🤣
/r/seduction27/05/22 05:28 PM
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And 6 is very average Absolutely brutal lol who know how to work a female I thought we weren't allowed to call women "females"? Or is it only allowed when women do it?
/r/seduction27/05/22 05:03 PM
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Brutal truth
/r/seduction27/05/22 04:30 AM
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No, if I actually tried as best I could I would only have about 1-2 days per week to "try" (Fridays and/or Saturdays). I do see girls my age during the week but it's at my gym, and apparently I'm not allowed to approach there since it's a borderline crime.
/r/seduction27/05/22 02:59 AM
1

That's about 1 approach per day
/r/seduction26/05/22 11:23 PM
1

I agree, but what other choice do we have at this point? Dating apps don't work, so what other option is there besides giving up?
/r/seduction26/05/22 10:16 PM
9

Go approach 200 good looking girls In what time frame is one supposed to achieve this?
/r/seduction26/05/22 07:00 PM
1

Ok so you don't want help and think all girls behave exsctly the same, that's misogynistic as fuck Where the hell did I explicitly say that? Again, link me the exact comment where I said they're all the same. no wonder you don't have the success you want, you probably creep on girls There it is, the jumping to conclusions when you have zero arguments. Yet another classic. (if you walked up to a girl and asked her for directions would that be seen as creepy If I did it, yes it would because of my…
/r/seduction25/05/22 02:31 PM
1

If you're not good looking to begin with, don't even bother. The types of pictures you take won't make a difference if your looks aren't good to begin with, the good news is you'll know soon enough how good looking or ugly you are based on the amount of likes and matches you receive.
/r/seduction25/05/22 06:17 AM
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If you've reached that point at that age, odds are things aren't likely to change anymore. You'd have to get your own place and get ripped. Also your facial genetics must be good, if they're not then consider looking into plastic surgery. That bring said, you probably shouldn't bother trying for another 5 years until you're better looking
/r/seduction25/05/22 04:08 AM
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Your picture recommendations will only work if you're goodnlooking though, if you're not then don't even bother
/r/seduction24/05/22 10:07 PM
0

If you're good looking
/r/seduction24/05/22 06:41 PM
2

👍 You're very brave
/r/seduction24/05/22 02:39 PM
2

Bumble has been complete crap in terms of barely any matches Same, except for me it's not barely any matches. It's ZERO matches from more matches, more attractive matches, better replies, etc. You get matches and replies? Lucky How do you go on tinder out of curiosity? Zero matches, I've never spoken to a girl in any of those apps. C'mon man, I just told you I'm ugly lol
/r/seduction24/05/22 06:09 AM
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Yeah you're correct I suppose. I wouldn't know since I don't know what it's like being an attractive man. I only know what it's like being an unattractive guy (I posted my bumble stats)
/r/seduction24/05/22 06:02 AM
3

What else do you propose then? OLD is the only option left for many guys, especially the ugly ones.
/r/seduction24/05/22 05:50 AM
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Haha exactly, I could never in a million years imagine myself going up to a girl, high fiving her and complimenting her smile with out being looked at as some freak/creep Again, good looking guy privileges
/r/seduction24/05/22 04:13 AM
2

then she was just turned off from there Seems like you creeped her out
/r/seduction24/05/22 04:11 AM
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He must have been good looking, tall or both if he was able to get that good reaction out of you. I can't imagine the terror you would have gone through if some below average looking guy tried to high five you and compliment your smile lol
/r/seduction24/05/22 03:56 AM
1

Damn, you must be a superior specimen of a human being. I'm actually jealous that my genetics aren't as superior as yours
/r/seduction24/05/22 03:22 AM
2

I only approach people who seem open for my approach, girls that smile at me, hold longer eye contact & other inviting gestures Lol I've never received these "inviting gestures" in my life. Matter of fact, many guys never have nor will received them. The good news is we don't have to worry about "spotting those signals" since we won't get them Look for those that find you attractive! Not every guy will be found attractive
/r/seduction24/05/22 03:19 AM
2

My comment wasn't a joke and I agree with what you said
/r/seduction23/05/22 02:06 PM
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I'm sorry that you feel ugly, it's ok, maybe you don't fit beauty standards, if that's the case that is something you need to acknowledge in order to become confident in your skin, you might be ugly, but you're uglier if you're self-conscious Lol you answered your own question there, yes I'm ugly. And no it doesn't matter if I'm "self conscious" about it, it won't change a damn thing That also applies with talking to girls, if you go and talk to them only because you want to seduce them, that wi…
/r/seduction23/05/22 01:44 PM
1

I did: Do something productive with your life besides chase women You said this, yet you're saying you didn't say it? Lol
/r/seduction23/05/22 06:30 AM
2

So in other words, stay alone and single without women for the rest of your life?
/r/seduction23/05/22 06:22 AM
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This clown never replied to me either lol
/r/seduction23/05/22 05:07 AM
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Become friends with girls that you find funny and nice to be around and learn how to be around them, if you already have female friends go hang out with them, you'll learn a lot I don't have girl friends. Assume I'm starting from scratch, I can't just randomly go up to girls since that's considered creepy now. So I make plans that I would enjoy doing by myself and invite someone to do it with me. Learn how to be cool with people that find what you do cool Lately I've only gone out myself on the …
/r/seduction23/05/22 05:06 AM
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This sounds dumb
/r/seduction23/05/22 04:42 AM
0

Haha exactly, I agree with everything you said. Too many people keep coping in these subs
/r/seduction23/05/22 04:41 AM
1

You guys need to work on seduction as much as you work on your business and body. It's a skill on its own. But what about with guys like me that are sub 5s and probably will creep women out with our looks alone?
/r/seduction23/05/22 03:56 AM
0

approach women in real life? Approach them where again?
/r/seduction23/05/22 03:37 AM
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Lol are you really that ashamed of the kind of women you pull?
/r/seduction23/05/22 03:31 AM
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You didn't answer my question, what kind of women do you pull?
/r/seduction23/05/22 03:27 AM
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Don't take it personally, Tinder an OLD fucks up your self esteem Not true, OLD is representative of how desirable you are as a guy. If you don't get likes or matches, then you're undesirable as a guy. It's a tough pill to swallow, but unfortunately it must be accepted
/r/seduction23/05/22 03:26 AM
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Calling yourself a loser subhuman is part of the problem Let me fix that for you: BEING a loser subhuman is part of the problem You gotta be happy being you before you will attract the opposite sex Why? Lol being happy with myself won't so sh*t. My looks will do the attracting. I am 38, overweight, and short and do pretty well with women What kind of women do you pull? Fat women? Single moms? Gotta work on your mental health. Therapy made my life much better Why on earth would I get therapy?
/r/seduction23/05/22 03:24 AM
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It may seem as tho women dominate the dating pool but we as successful men still have a lot to be happy about. Don’t let the apps or society get the better of you. I let it happen far too often in my life and it hurts everytime. Keep your head up and remember to love yourself before all else. Lol this post is just a huge cope, just admit it OP. You're not as attractive as you think you are
/r/seduction23/05/22 03:19 AM
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Ahh I see, so they're not talking about virgin loser subhumans like me then?
/r/seduction23/05/22 03:18 AM
1

everyone is different but believe most people don't care too much about looks if you're nice and cool I'll assume what you say is correct, what do I do next then? Maybe you're not cool enough and not talking to the correct people, maybe you're not nice enough, I'm most likely not cool enough as I don't drink, party or any of that. I'm pretty shy/timid and I'm not really a rude person so I doubt it's the "nice enough". could these girls that have rejected you be a close friend if you weren't inte…
/r/seduction23/05/22 02:15 AM
1

My friend, I feel sorry that you think this is how stuff goes, I hope you learn how chill people actually are. People are chill with you if you're not undesirable/subhuman looking , then you would get confident with yourself I've been doing a bunch of that stuff and yet I'm seemingly in the same spot dating wise. That kind of talk is way more interesting than someone who's failing at school and shows it by not knowing anything (if you dare to say this is nerdy and no women will be attracted to a…
/r/seduction23/05/22 12:37 AM
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That's assuming guys have sex to begin with lol
/r/seduction22/05/22 11:31 PM
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When they mean pigs, they're talking about below average, undesirable looking guys
/r/seduction22/05/22 11:31 PM
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They do, if you honestly work on things for the sake of getting better, a lot of things will become better around you No they won't, unless you got plastic surgery I suppose lol but I wouldn't go that far. but you will start acting in a way that is more attractive. What the hell does this even mean? That won't do jack in terms of dating lol Can you imagine a sub human trying to act all confident? He'd look ridiculous lol, our genetic facial structure puts a limit on how much we can achieve datin…
/r/seduction22/05/22 10:42 PM
4

If they recognized it, it would make them seem hypocritical. And we can't have that apparently.
/r/seduction22/05/22 04:43 PM
3

You sound like an incell 💯%. I literally admitted to being one, are you illiterate? Lol Your excuses help no one How are they excuses
/r/seduction22/05/22 04:27 PM
2

First of all the majority of man aren't good looking I'm aware of that, something like 90% of males are seen as unattractive. This isn't a deal breaker Yes it can be There is plenty of ugly ass mfs with cute gfs. They're the minority Dont be foolish, chicks will follow money and clout over a cute face. Dont become another incel. So one would have to earn over 100k and be famous just to be seen as a viable human being and not some sub human? And no actually, there's women that swoon over literal …
/r/seduction22/05/22 04:21 PM
4

Your face its most likely not the problem. Yes it is, is the woman going to be kissing his face or is she going to be kissing or having sex with the books he reads or the money he makes? Lol
/r/seduction22/05/22 04:13 PM
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and just let the rest fall into place Things don't just magically fall in place if you're unattractive, what the hell kind of logic is that? Seducing a good woman, or even many good women, should not be difficult. If it's a struggle, its because the preconditions are not in place. You're right, the preconditions being having good genetic looks (strong jawline, long ramus, sharp gonion, low set cheekbones, tall, good forward growth, etc)
/r/seduction22/05/22 04:10 PM
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Doesn't mean anything
/r/seduction22/05/22 01:37 AM
3

They say don't be desperate but yet people here approach like 1000 women per week lol And also claim those are "normal numbers"
/r/seduction22/05/22 01:34 AM
1

Of what? Of me?
/r/seduction21/05/22 03:21 PM
1

Figure out what the issue is My genetic looks, I can't really change my face nor my height without plastic surgery
/r/seduction21/05/22 03:16 PM
0

No I have, back in my college days (about 2 years ago before COVID I did it quite a bit) and I did it only a few times outside of that.
/r/seduction21/05/22 03:12 PM
1

24
/r/seduction21/05/22 03:09 PM
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I understand, but all it takes is one wrong girl you say hi to that can possibly ruin your life or career if she labels you a creep, calls security and LE, etc you get fired from your job. Here's a good example below: https://youtu.be/YEeDYHtz5fs
/r/seduction21/05/22 07:21 AM
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Anyways dude, don't give up. Hope you find someone soon! I doubt they'll happen, to be honest I'm basically lost almost all hope in that department as I'm too old already. If I haven't found someone by now, it's just not going to happen. But good thing is the weights will be there for me for the pump even though I'm an amateur lifter
/r/seduction21/05/22 07:18 AM
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I have proof btw lol, I kept seeing a bunch of posts saying women hated being approached and that they hate when they're spoken to at bars and clubs, etc. So again, can't be too sure anymore
/r/seduction21/05/22 07:06 AM
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Hmm, yea initially I was kind of indifferent about it but eventually I started liking the pump. And I'm not even working out optimally either. I'm still trying to figure out my a good routine and improve my diet. I don't know if it has to do with the fact that I use it to take my anger and pains out on the weights but I definitely can't go a week without missing it now. Sometimes I like to remind myself the fact of all the girls that have rejected me and saw me as ugly, that usually does the tri…
/r/seduction21/05/22 07:05 AM
-1

Can't be too sure nowadays
/r/seduction21/05/22 06:50 AM
1

I mean I got addicted to going to the gym, so at least I have that cope going for me.
/r/seduction21/05/22 06:48 AM
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It's considered creepy to approach women now, according to women themselves. Even a simple "hello" is considered an unwarranted approach now, I sure as hell wouldn't want to get in any legal trouble just for shooting my shot.
/r/seduction21/05/22 06:44 AM
0

Nothing, just wallow away in loneliness because that's the only thing left to do
/r/seduction21/05/22 06:43 AM
1

I have a 6 pack when I'm at 18% bf btw. I'm pretty sure I'm lower than that and I still don't have it. I already cut out a bunch of garbage I used to eat and workout 5 times a week. I guess my genetics are just that bad or I'm fat/overweight somehow lol It's called 600mg of Test-E/week for 12 weeks. I'm assuming that's steroids? I've heard bad things about it, I won't risk that. I'll take the long route for now lol
/r/seduction19/05/22 04:59 PM
2

I agree with you and am in the same situation. I don't have any interactions with girls my age anymore, the only time I see them is when I'm at my gym. But unfortunately cold approaching is off the table for me though. But good luck though
/r/seduction19/05/22 04:50 PM
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Bulk up. Lol you cannot achieve this is 3 months, what on earth are you on about. BF% down to 10-20%. It would actually have to be around 8-12%, 20% or 15% BF doesn't do guys any favors. The rest of the points will do a minimal change, but your facial structure must be good to begin with.
/r/seduction19/05/22 02:29 PM
3

Thats cool and all but first and foremost...you need good looks.
/r/seduction19/05/22 06:17 AM
3

Sometimes people love the nerdy "cute" boys This is an extremely low percentage of women that like this type of guy though. EXTREMELY low
/r/seduction19/05/22 05:48 AM
2

Lol okay bud, say that to the majority of the population which prefer to have a good looking partner. Sorry, but at the end of the day science wins (our biological drives)
/r/seduction19/05/22 05:26 AM
1

And there’s always going to be some reason not to try IMO I guess this is true
/r/seduction17/05/22 04:55 AM
1

and if your living with your parents you can go back to hers. Wouldn't this make me look like a loser though? Like "wow, what a bum. This guy can't even afford his own place". Would that not come up? You don’t need to go to some 5 star restaurant I wasn't implying this Also who’s saying not to work? Work and enjoy yourself. I didn't mean to imply that either. I think one should work or at least strive to be employed. But noting the housing market is a bit rough today, I thought I'd be even more …
/r/seduction17/05/22 04:29 AM
1

Lol it's over for sub 5 guys then
/r/seduction17/05/22 04:20 AM
1

I understood that clear as water. But what happens when said guy that doesn’t have much money or lives with his parents moves on from the talking stage to whatever comes next (dating, etc?)?
/r/seduction17/05/22 04:18 AM
1

I see, so when it crosses over from talking to escalation then that's where the guy living with his parents should stop? It seems you're implying that talking to girls is as far as the guy should go.
/r/seduction17/05/22 04:14 AM
1

why would you make getting girls your goal when you could be doing that right now So you should get girls if you're poor then or don't have that much money or still living with your parents then?
/r/seduction17/05/22 04:08 AM
1

Then what do you have to say to all the advice here from people saying to get your own place first or become financially independent/stable before even trying to get with girls? Are they giving garbage advice now?
/r/seduction17/05/22 04:05 AM
1

I could get metooed or get a case similar to Mr. Depps, which could end up ruining my life or career
/r/seduction17/05/22 02:20 AM
1

It's literally feeling as though he will one day learn to win the game by losing. I guess this makes a little more sense.
/r/seduction16/05/22 05:09 AM
2

This isn't how women operate. In general, they let a man's confidence do the talking. To an extent yes, but looks must come into the equation at some point I'm assuming But if you're convinced you can't get women simply because of the way you look, you need to shift your mindset because that is not true. Why is it not true? Even then you will still face rejection most of the time. Those are some wild numbers lol, so for me to get a 10 body count I need to do around 1000 approaches? Even if I was…
/r/seduction16/05/22 04:08 AM
1

My guess is they are getting women through social circles, no? Yeah, I tried approaching through classes in college as well by "warm approaching" and I was still told to piss off. Yes, actually So is this community heavily masochist then? This is exactly why you are too afraid to keep approaching. I'm afraid of getting metooed It's the harshest ones that push me the most. So you enjoy when a woman tells you "get away you ugly f'ing creep/perv/pedo"? You have some strange likes/enjoyments then. T…
/r/seduction16/05/22 02:42 AM
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You give up when you get rejected over 90% of the time when that is excatly what every other guy goes through. Lol what? Weird how my decently good looking friends don't get rejected at that rate. And I'm supposed to just keep humiliating myself over 90% of the time just to get one "yes"? Said yes which might end up leaving me days later and I'm right back to square 1. You were too outcome oriented. 🤣🤣 I'm not supposed to be outcome oriented? So I'm supposed to just enjoy the thrill of getting t…
/r/seduction16/05/22 02:24 AM
2

Looks don't matter for guys nearly as much as you might think. Why not? Your confidence can easily make up for a lack of looks. This might be true after a certain threshold of looks is met. Confidence won't make up for the looks of a 5'2 dark skinned janitor with bad facial features. Also you do have to get through a lot of rejection to be successful with girls. How much? In no venue are you going to be kicked out for approaching women. Basic excuse. So you're saying I wouldn't get kicked out of…
/r/seduction16/05/22 02:19 AM
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"there is no point in me trying," For me in specific, this might not the case for other guys better suitable. For example: 7/10 looking guys, rich guys, or really popular guys. but have you actually... Tried? I did for a while back then, but nothing worked for so long that it was just futile to keep trying. Now I try to cope by doing other things to keep me somewhat busy (gym, work, practicing my coding skills to land a SWE job, other hobbies, etc). That being said, I haven't spoken or interacte…
/r/seduction16/05/22 01:10 AM
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Keep your options open For some, this number will mostly be zero. when you see an opportunity that looks promising then approach. No "opportunity" is ever really "promising". There's always a high risk involved
/r/seduction16/05/22 01:07 AM
1

Force yourself to go for three days Or you could just modify this approach from three days to your whole life
/r/seduction15/05/22 10:27 PM
-1

For what?
/r/seduction15/05/22 10:14 PM
0

You don't
/r/seduction15/05/22 09:58 PM
6

Lol good lord, yet another one of these "just be confident bro" posts Do you truly want to be successful with women? Stop self-victimizing and complaining about how things are unfair and how it should be. Then what the hell are you sub 5s supposed to do then? Magically get plastic surgery that costs thousands? Stop being entitled and assume women should be attracted to you because you’re polite and go to the gym, and have nice teeth. This always gets me lol, who the hell is claiming to be entitl…
/r/seduction15/05/22 09:45 PM
3

Probably not since it wasn't mentioned in the post
/r/seduction14/05/22 05:00 PM
1

Doesn't matter. Massive cope lol
/r/seduction14/05/22 04:58 PM
1

Cold approach works when you're good looking, it will not work if you're average looking or below
/r/seduction14/05/22 06:20 AM
3

So basically guys just shouldn't try anymore since most of us are seen as creeps with "agendas", especially the average and below average looking guys that are more likely to be seen as creeps.
/r/seduction14/05/22 06:16 AM
0

In that case any attempts that guys make will simply be futile, especially if you're and average/below average looking guy. You're pretty much screwed in that case lol
/r/seduction14/05/22 06:14 AM
3

What the hell does this even mean?
/r/seduction14/05/22 02:13 AM
1

Why are malls off limits? Malls are great places. 🤷‍♂️, I mean I guess they could work if you're good looking. Probably won't work for everyone, how would you even begin a conversation there? You can still be on campus. For what purpose? Not every drinks when they go to a bar or club. I suppose, I've gone to clubs before and didn't drink so yeah I guess it's possible. Stop the excuses. How are they excuses? Lol
/r/seduction13/05/22 11:05 PM
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There are thousands of girls at malls, univerities, clubs, bars, beaches, whatever I thought malls were off limits? And what if you're not in university, nor are a drinker (for bars)?
/r/seduction13/05/22 10:55 PM
5

It rules out every opportunity for me in that case, not that I even had any to begin with
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:46 AM
9

Yeah, so many stupid contradictions in these subs lol Might as well not even approach anyone anywhere (that's what I resorted to) because everything is seen as creepy now
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:45 AM
0

If she tells you, otherwise there's no way to know
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:40 AM
2

I'd get reported to LE if I ever said that line
/r/seduction12/05/22 11:19 PM
1

Short kings Lol "short kings", call us what we really are: Manlets
/r/seduction12/05/22 07:42 PM
2

Exactly, basically rendering the whole "work on yourself" part as redundant
/r/seduction12/05/22 01:56 PM
1

Eh, even thirsty girls are picky to an extent
/r/seduction12/05/22 01:54 PM
7

Yeah I have yet to have a "blue moon" in my whole life like you experienced. It simply doesn't happen nor will it happen to every guy.
/r/seduction12/05/22 06:31 AM
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Exactly, I've been doing this "focus on yourself" preaching everyone keeps talking about and not once has a woman just fallen out of the sky and into my lap. It just doesn't work that way
/r/seduction12/05/22 05:37 AM
0

What you're suggesting will only work if you're good looking
/r/seduction12/05/22 05:30 AM
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Probably because you aren't as good looking as OP. This mentality OP preaches only works for good looking guys
/r/seduction12/05/22 05:29 AM
1

but how would you describe the following sensations: hugging, cuddling, kissing, sex? I don't know how to describe them because I've never experienced them either. I end up wondering in the darkness of isolation Yep same, but thing is you won't really ever actually know what it feels like since things are different if you're over 30 vs when you're actually young (teens-20s). I mean you could try to make something happen in your 30s but it won't be the same as if you were to date in your 20s. You…
/r/seduction11/05/22 02:58 PM
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There kind of is
/r/seduction11/05/22 04:51 AM
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Happy for you OP
/r/seduction11/05/22 03:51 AM
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You definitely missed out, I'm sorry. I feel like I will never have the human experience. How do I get over this fear At this late age you definitely won't get to experience all those fun things many guys got to experience. You know, sneaking into their girlfriends house and cuddling with them. Getting invited to parties and having lots of fun with said friends. Having traveled with friends and gotten to live new experiences with them. All of that, you will simply not get to experience. And ther…
/r/seduction11/05/22 03:49 AM
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Hmmm 🤔 this is making me sad. Why? I hope one day you are able to see more value in yourself because just the fact that you exist proves how worthy you are I am aware of how much value I have, if we're speaking in terms of the dating market then I have close to none. Nothing wrong with admitting that. And my existence is a huge combinations of mathematical and scientific factors that had a very small chance of happening. However I don't see how said probabilities correlate to me being "worthy". …
/r/seduction09/05/22 04:23 AM
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Well not with that attitude my dude Me being unattractive and generally looked at as a creep has nothing to do with my "attitude". Trust me there is someone out there for everyone. Mathematically speaking this isn't true It's some real ROM com shit Yeah well I don't even have my own place plus I'm unattractive, so dating really isn't in the picture of possibilities right now since nobody would ever realistically consider me.
/r/seduction09/05/22 03:38 AM
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Yeah, that's how dating is for guys. That's why I don't want to bother, it's disappointing for me because I wanted to see what it feels like to have a girlfriend and all those things and perhaps even have a family. Unfortunately, I probably won't get to experience that.
/r/seduction09/05/22 03:29 AM
1

What do you mean?
/r/seduction09/05/22 03:23 AM
1

Exactly, that's why I don't approach women anymore. I don't want to be seen like your friend there. Bear in mind anything I say no matter how innocent I may think it is will be perceived as creepy no matter what I do due to my looks. And I don't want to be seen as a perv, that's why I along with many guys won't approach women. Like I said, it's basically partially forced me to give up on dating.
/r/seduction09/05/22 03:19 AM
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because he was being a perv and going up to girls and making them uncomfortable. Probably starring and being weird about it. He's just a perv in general And yet you ask why guys just look at you but rapidly look away. So they can avoid being a guy like your friend, they don't want trouble. I sure as hell don't want trouble. This is why I stopped approaching/interacting/trying to date girls my age, any attempts I make will just make me look like a perv and I sure don't want that. I'm basically ki…
/r/seduction09/05/22 02:37 AM
2

I personally don't even look in women's direction when I go to the gym. I like my gym and don't want to get kicked out of it.
/r/seduction09/05/22 02:09 AM
1

Guys are told not to approach women because it's considered creepy, especially at the gym. That's probably why they won't approach you.
/r/seduction09/05/22 01:47 AM
2

This is idea that women are on a tower laughing down at you is going to help in your success That idea is inherently correct though Everyone gets rejected Some get rejected more than others though, I guarantee you a sub 5 guy probably has never even known what a success is when it comes to dating while Chad effortlessly gets dates on Tinder. Not the same experiences
/r/seduction08/05/22 09:24 PM
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In other words, if you really think you're attractive- i mean REALLY BELIEVE IT - then you'll basically act attractive, and it will come off to girls. Lol no
/r/seduction08/05/22 08:51 PM
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If you take care of yourself reasonably well and dress okay, people will find you good looking ( enough that you can stop worrying about it. Don’t let it hold you back Not really true, taking care of yourself and dressing nice isn't enough anymore. And it certainly doesn't mean you're good looking. is that attraction has so much more to do then with looks It is at least 70% looks though
/r/seduction08/05/22 08:47 PM
1

Make a tinder account
/r/seduction08/05/22 08:11 PM
1

Lol it's over for guys then
/r/seduction08/05/22 07:08 PM
1

Ooof, absolutely brutal
/r/seduction08/05/22 07:06 PM
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Lol and having a positive attitude will suddenly push you further towards the front a woman's queue vs being realistic? Are we going to talk about Santa Claus now as well?
/r/seduction08/05/22 06:55 PM
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That's the point, she wouldn't. That's why I said it's impossible for many guys.
/r/seduction08/05/22 06:38 PM
0

you just have to seem like a better time than them This is simply an impossible task for many guys
/r/seduction08/05/22 04:51 PM
1

I'm not 30 years old, and what exactly would I worry about? There's nothing I can do for now regarding that.
/r/seduction08/05/22 12:22 AM
0

Latino isn't a race
/r/seduction08/05/22 12:08 AM
0

Latino isn't a race
/r/seduction08/05/22 12:07 AM
0

Latino isn't a race
/r/seduction08/05/22 12:07 AM
1

Having a good childhood also seems fun. Weird how there's all sorts of negative correlations amongst adults that had bad childhoods.
/r/seduction07/05/22 01:36 AM
3

I thought you were literally talking about soldiers in actual trenches at first (perhaps referring to the Ukraine war)
/r/seduction07/05/22 12:55 AM
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though i don't think they'll help you get laid That's why they'd be useless, I'd be wasting hundreds of dollars on nothing but they might be successful in helping you stop hating yourself Looool really? I'm supposed to not dislike myself and the bad genetic looks I have? Good lord, I can tell you obviously don't have any issues with that. Lol afterall women really never have to approach guys/have issues with getting dates. But keep trying to teach me your little "life lessons", I'm sure you know…
/r/seduction06/05/22 05:58 AM
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No one owes you sex Who said I'm owed sex, where did I say it? Lol I swear I need to start counting the number of times dumb people keep assuming this. I can only suggest you get help asap because this is not normal behavior to have as a 19 year old boy I'm not 19 im 24, and what help do you expect me to get? Lol therapy doesn't just fix everything like some magical spell. I'm sure you steer girls your age away with your "I need sex, Im angry that other people are having sex and i'm not" attitud…
/r/seduction06/05/22 05:53 AM
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I've been in your position and sex is really not that serious Really? You were a 24 year old KHHV virgin? You'll have it when the time comes. Again, it's such a stupid thing to say. When is "when the time comes"? Is it tomorrow? Next week? Or is it past when I'm aged 30? Because if that's the case I wouldn't want to experience it anymore, I don't even see the point of barely starting at such a late age. Might as well self castrate But your attitude won't allow you to enjoy it because you believe…
/r/seduction06/05/22 05:47 AM
2

If it's not important then why do so many young people do it?
/r/seduction06/05/22 05:29 AM
2

If I barely got my first opportunity at such a late age, I'd honestly just refuse it/reject it. What would be the point anymore, "why now"? Having missed out like you said on all of that from 18-28, I'd be too jaded to even continue trying anymore. I'd have just given up honestly
/r/seduction06/05/22 05:28 AM
1

Your time will come. Have patience. That's a terrible mindset to have
/r/seduction06/05/22 05:25 AM
1

Don’t be 25 lamenting the same things Oof, as a 24 year old lamenting things I can't agree more
/r/seduction06/05/22 03:31 AM
2

Wdym elaborate? The 2 rules seem pretty straightforward
/r/seduction04/05/22 05:51 AM
2

Agreed
/r/seduction03/05/22 09:38 PM
2

Hoping from boyfriend to boyfriend?
/r/seduction03/05/22 09:32 PM
4

but he only has himself to blame. Good lord, what is your opinion on the fact that she has so many guys around her? You're not worried she might get "excited" with one of them? This is partly why I don't even want to try to date again, I mean I've never dated but this just seems brutal. Imagine having to start from zero just so a bunch of girls can treat me like some disposable object, like I don't matter. It sounds terrible, yet people wonder why there's so many "in*ls"
/r/seduction03/05/22 08:20 PM
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Moral of the story, enjoy your turn while it lasts. Exactly
/r/seduction03/05/22 08:05 PM
3

That sounds rough, well the grass is always greener for some people. At least you actually seem to be getting some action, you seem to be doing alright in this department.
/r/seduction03/05/22 06:20 PM
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as opposed to casually hanging out with the guys in their circle? Yeah they have orbiters as well It was OBVIOUS that she had switched to another consistent partner lol Probably wants to keep you around as an option to monkey branch to incase all other options fail. You're the backup, or the backup of the backup. We don't know how far back in the queue you are.
/r/seduction03/05/22 06:05 PM
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Yeah, you can't really stop that behavior unfortunately. You said it yourself, they have practically unlimited options now, there's not really a way to completely outcompete every guy if we're taking in mind things like a guys genetics (height, looks, etc).
/r/seduction03/05/22 04:32 PM
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Hop from boyfriend to boyfriend. Think of it like job hopping but in relationships
/r/seduction03/05/22 04:26 PM
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Do nothing, there isn't much you can do to change their minds. If they want to monkey branch, they will monkey branch. Simple as that
/r/seduction03/05/22 04:24 PM
1

Can't really speak for women though they aren't visual as men Lol wrong
/r/seduction03/05/22 02:05 PM
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Rules 1 and 2: Be attractive Don't be unattractive They're very simple yet difficult to follow, especially for guys
/r/seduction02/05/22 05:30 AM
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9 times out of 10 you just brightened this woman's day. Lol not really This woman is not going to be bothered. She is going to be flattered. Lol nooot really. Especially if the guy isn't attractive And you walk away with more experience, courage, and pride. I agree with the experience and courage part, in reality it's can be a win / loss depending on the guys looks.
/r/seduction02/05/22 04:41 AM
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As an introvert the girls approach me Lol then that just means you follow rules 1 and 2
/r/seduction01/05/22 11:45 PM
1

That's where you measure your progress Yeah I've definitely made a small amount of progress in some muscle groups.
/r/seduction01/05/22 12:15 AM
1

Then keep going That's what I'm doing, I'm not going to stop going. At this point it's just become of my routine. lifting gives you two things women love, confidence and strength. I've kind of felt the latter so far, I don't know about the former though. What do I have to be "confident" about from lifting? I probably won't get said "confidence" until I see visible physique changes.
/r/seduction30/04/22 11:50 PM
1

That's what I've been doing since February, unfortunately I won't see visible changes until another year or so
/r/seduction30/04/22 11:44 PM
1

Confidence is important yes, but it's not going to matter if a minimum threshold of looks is met
/r/seduction30/04/22 11:38 PM
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Brutal lol
/r/seduction30/04/22 05:20 AM
1

YOU ARE ENOUGH:remember that. Not true
/r/seduction30/04/22 05:17 AM
2

Yeah this is a massive cope
/r/seduction29/04/22 03:42 PM
7

What's the question? I do not see a single question mark throughout your entire post.
/r/seduction28/04/22 01:47 AM
3

What's the question?
/r/seduction28/04/22 01:47 AM
0

It's one thing a large amount of guys will never get. Women's standards have skyrocketed, plus add the fact that if an average or below average guy even thinks he has a chance then he'll be looked down upon as a creep/rapist.
/r/seduction28/04/22 01:46 AM
12

I'm curious, what is the MBA used for? Is there a specific job MBA holders go to?
/r/seduction27/04/22 05:57 AM
3

Lol it's ooooveeeeerrr
/r/seduction27/04/22 05:56 AM
24

Definitely added valuable information to the story, without it we'd be missing half the story
/r/seduction27/04/22 05:21 AM
25

I can tell
/r/seduction27/04/22 05:19 AM
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What does you having an MBA have anything to do with the post? 🤣
/r/seduction27/04/22 02:29 AM
5

Lol what the hell are you on about?
/r/seduction25/04/22 05:07 AM
2

Yeah it's unusual for me, hoping the streak continues Well best of luck
/r/seduction22/04/22 11:28 PM
2

I say I'm average because I get no attention from women Lol on a previous post you said married women checked you out. You are definitely above average in looks, the average Joe probably wouldn't make out with 3 women on the same night. But what do I know, I'm just another inexperienced guy
/r/seduction22/04/22 11:11 PM
8

Your definition of average might not be average at all
/r/seduction22/04/22 11:03 PM
0

but putting the effort into being attractive is just as, if not more, important. That's debatable
/r/seduction21/04/22 04:14 PM
1

I'm from the U.S., and I'm going by what women say. It seems that they consider anything a guy tells them that may hint at the guy showing interest in her as creepy. Especially in venues outside of bars and clubs, that's why I don't talk to girls anymore.
/r/seduction21/04/22 03:31 AM
0

hey, quick question, did you try this new cookies? I'm not sure of buying them This can definitely sound creepy
/r/seduction21/04/22 12:51 AM
1

It's probably best if guys just didn't compliment girls altogether to avoid this confusion
/r/seduction21/04/22 12:48 AM
1

I wouldn't consider what she said as "wisdom" lol
/r/seduction21/04/22 12:44 AM
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It's all just a more detailed way of saying Be Attractive and Don't Be Unattractive Ahh I see, yes you're right. Genetic looks will determine if a guy does good with girls or not.
/r/seduction21/04/22 12:43 AM
1

Lol what? Why am I single then according to you?
/r/seduction20/04/22 09:13 PM
1

So you're telling guys to play this dangerous type of Russian roulette as advice?
/r/seduction20/04/22 09:10 PM
1

I understand everyone likes different things as well and not everyone likes being approached And it'll potentially make me seen as a freak/rapist if I say it to the wrong girl. I'm not talking about cat calling, I'm talking about just saying that line you mentioned. I'd have to get really lucky to approach one that wouldn't mind
/r/seduction20/04/22 09:01 PM
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Hey Female here Instead try a “hey, I saw you as I was walking by and I think you’re beautiful” Weird how I've seen women tell guys to not say this or similar lines. (Never tell a girl that she looks pretty)
/r/seduction20/04/22 08:27 PM
1

Yeah and you replied to the wrong person a couple seconds earlier pal lol Quite ironic for you to say that. But it's true what I said though, there's definitely a threshold for when you're not good enough and when you are.
/r/seduction19/04/22 05:51 PM
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And you're also always good enough all the time. No, not really You are born good enough No, not really
/r/seduction19/04/22 05:48 PM
4

I'm Mexican, and I can tell you racism is pretty rampant there. Darker skin mexicans are looked down upon in a bunch of areas down there especially in predominantly white places like Monterrey, Jalisco and some areas of DF, while white Mexicans are still seen as "better". I won't even get started with foreigners living there either.
/r/seduction19/04/22 05:42 PM
1

Are you Mexican?
/r/seduction19/04/22 05:32 PM
4

Not really
/r/seduction19/04/22 05:25 PM
1

I’d say you made it about looks It's always about looks no matter if it isn't mentioned. I think you may believe you need to be attractive to be good with women Because it's true you will find people who enjoy your company. I wasn't talking about dressing nice and grooming, anyone can do that and not everyone will look attractive just by doing that. I was talking about genetic looks, what actually matters. The small centimeters of difference in your facial structure that can mean the difference …
/r/seduction19/04/22 02:50 AM
1

Cheering advice? Lol you told me women don't want to be approached. How is that "cheering" advice or tips? then there's a self-fulfilling prophecy looming very near by. This is a false claim, there's no such thing as a "self fulfilling prophecy". You're either desirable as a guy to women or you're not. There's nothing else to it.
/r/seduction18/04/22 10:57 PM
1

Women just going about their business don't want to be approached by anyone. True, I guess what I was trying to say is above average looking guys will have a higher probability of not being seeing in a pestering manner. While that probability for average to below average guys is close to none. a cheerful guy who can be legit charming can meet women who welcome approaches. No, these places you mentioned are the same and you can use the same exact arguments from other unacceptable places. "She's a…
/r/seduction18/04/22 10:08 PM
1

Not the right time. Possibly not the right place. Other social situations are just fine for casual conversations, but again, read the room That's the thing, it's never the right time nor the right place. People (women) are always doing something and don’t want to be pestered or bothered by guys. Especially if the guy is seemingly either average looking or below average looking. If by "other social situations" you're referring to bars and clubs, then you must obviously know these places are like …
/r/seduction18/04/22 09:51 PM
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In other words it's a guaranteed failure if you go out as a solo guy trying to show interest in girls. No matter what shy guys/guys going out alone do, we'll still be seen as outcast creeps
/r/seduction18/04/22 08:48 PM
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They just weren't into being approached by anyone This seems to be the case with the majority of women now. I'm not sure why it keeps being pushed this idea of "just approach her bro" if women don't even like being approached by guys anymore.
/r/seduction18/04/22 08:35 PM
2

🤷‍♂️
/r/seduction18/04/22 02:14 PM
-2

I wouldn't recommend breaking the "touch barrier" if you're not at least above average looking.
/r/seduction18/04/22 06:56 AM
1

Women fking love when men approach them and try to woe them, Are you sure about this? Even then, it seems they're only interested in good looking guys approaching them. Not average or below average looking guys.
/r/seduction13/04/22 05:45 AM
3

Because I am only attracting ugly men Hahahahaha, if a guy said he was only attracting ugly women on reddit all hell would break lose. "You're not entitled to beautiful women you misogynist!" In this case, you're not entitled to good looking guys
/r/seduction13/04/22 02:55 AM
20

i only seem to be attractive to guys. ...a woman sent you nudes...what the hell are you on about?
/r/seduction13/04/22 02:27 AM
1

Brutal lol
/r/seduction12/04/22 09:35 PM
1

I don't know what I would get out of this sub. Any of the advice given might only work once I've gymaxxed and looksmaxxed.
/r/seduction11/04/22 05:46 AM
1

mixed man Well hispanic but kind of mixed I suppose It could be that your face is holding you back More than likely yes no point in trying to cope with your lack of success. This is up to each person
/r/seduction11/04/22 04:15 AM
-1

How am I coping?
/r/seduction11/04/22 03:14 AM
8

because they see you as “tall” Not always, and I've seen this firsthand. Some guy that was 5'9 was considered short by some 5'3 girl lol
/r/seduction11/04/22 02:21 AM
4

Doesn't really matter if said girls are shorter than you, they want a tall guy anyways lol
/r/seduction10/04/22 11:10 PM
1

I don't think there is a middle ground when you're average looking or below. You're either a nuisance to girls or you're background noise to them. Personally I don't want to be either but I'd prefer not to be seen as a creep so that's why it's best not to look at girls and just be background noise to them.
/r/seduction10/04/22 02:23 PM
2

Well do you want to? Obviously yes Gym. Social skills. Game I'm currently gymaxxing and looksmaxxing, I need to develop those before I can move on to game though. Game will only work once I become better looking and a bit bigger. You being passive and letting life happen to you is the worst situation I'm aware of that, but I can't exactly approach girls right now as an around average looking guy or else I'll be seen as a creep.
/r/seduction10/04/22 03:49 AM
2

Not exactly sure but it's more than likely my looks, my manlet height, and my lack of social skills with girls (in the flirtatious sense). That's what I think, but in general whatever it is girls look for in a guy I just don't have it. Girls don't look at me and think that way about me, I'm just some background noise to them.
/r/seduction09/04/22 11:36 PM
1

I think your recommendation would work in any place besides the gym
/r/seduction09/04/22 08:29 PM
2

That's why I don't interact with anyone at the gym, let alone with girls. I don't even try looking in their general direction, if one comes near the machine I'm at ill just stare at the floor to avoid looking at her. This will mostly guarantee that I'll never be seen as the creep women will warn each other about that you described.
/r/seduction09/04/22 08:26 PM
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some say 25) there is something wrong Yep, I can vouch. Something is definitely wrong with me
/r/seduction09/04/22 04:29 PM
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No
/r/seduction09/04/22 04:29 PM
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It's a euphosim for saying she wasn't attracted to him
/r/seduction07/04/22 04:49 PM
1

Lol what?
/r/seduction07/04/22 04:49 PM
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Lol ratioed again 🤣
/r/seduction07/04/22 06:23 AM
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Lol ratioed
/r/seduction07/04/22 06:19 AM
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Lol how about you try fully explaining your thought process instead of trying to look quirky by giving one word replies
/r/seduction07/04/22 05:52 AM
2

What is the L supposed to mean?
/r/seduction07/04/22 05:16 AM
1

or girls secretly like short kings *manlets And no, girls don't "secretly" like manlets
/r/seduction07/04/22 05:05 AM
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Anything that involves success gives you a confidence boost
/r/seduction05/04/22 10:15 PM
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Yes, example is many of them admitted they didn't like the guy because he's too ugly then the women would fear they'd be seen as shallow. So instead they'd make up a different reason or something very broad "it's your personality", "I just didn't feel a spark", etc Btw in my opinion not liking someone because they're ugly/unattractive is NOT something that should be seen as shallow
/r/seduction05/04/22 06:08 AM
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positive affirmations you can tell yourself. These don't matter, it doesn't matter how you view yourself. What matters is how women view you. Women are the ones attracted to the guy, not the guy is attracted to himself.
/r/seduction05/04/22 05:56 AM
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The real reason, unfortunately guys won't ever get that because a large chunk of women are typically afraid of the implications.
/r/seduction05/04/22 04:04 AM
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Guys still approach girls, still get married, still have sex, and still date, everywhere all around the world. It's up to you how you learn. *Good looking guys still approach girls, get married and have sex (western world) Learn what? There's close to nothing that won't be seen as creepy now. You look at a girl for too long? That's creepy. You say hi to a girl? Also can be considered creepy. Of course this can be dependant on a guys looks as well. What am I supposed to learn in that case? The on…
/r/seduction05/04/22 04:03 AM
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It was definitely necessary with all of the bad guys and creeps harassing women. But it was also a double edged sword for shy guys or guys that are now a little too scared to make a move in fear of getting #metooed
/r/seduction04/04/22 04:00 PM
25

That's the result of #metoo it seems
/r/seduction04/04/22 06:37 AM
1

Ah I see
/r/seduction31/03/22 12:36 AM
1

You're probably very good looking if you're getting compliments by random bartenders then (I'm assuming bartender is a girl)
/r/seduction31/03/22 12:16 AM
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With good looking girls?
/r/seduction30/03/22 11:17 PM
1

She could label the guy as a creep or worst case report the guy to the authorities
/r/seduction30/03/22 02:10 PM
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gives both people an opportunity Not really, especially if the guy doesn't know what "seen" means or entails. Plus not every "seen" sign is universal and if misinterpreted by the guy it could lead to the guy getting in potentially serious problems
/r/seduction29/03/22 04:30 PM
1

or just go for it. This can be dangerous for the guy though
/r/seduction29/03/22 03:42 PM
0

thought maybe she’s just there to eat lol Maybe she was just there to eat, more than likely this was the case actually. If you're running puzzles around your head deciding whether a girl was interested or not then she probably wasn't interested
/r/seduction29/03/22 03:42 PM
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Everything you mentioned isn't approaching at all, matter of fact everything you mentioned guys do as well. are some of the things that she'll use to get you to notice her, giving you the opportunity to approach. So she's not actually approaching guys then
/r/seduction29/03/22 03:40 PM
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if you approach first as a woman you do risk to be judged netgatively by others. If you approach first as a man you run the risk of being labeled a creep/predator/pedo/being kicked out of venue, etc
/r/seduction29/03/22 03:37 PM
1

But I thought women didn't want to be approached though because it's creepy and predatory
/r/seduction29/03/22 03:36 PM
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I don't think you can "escalate", it's not allowed
/r/seduction29/03/22 05:57 AM
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Do NOT just do what YOU feel is right cause way too many men do the opposite of right when it comes to women. So guys should avoid women to avoid any confusion and ill doing it seems, that way both parties are out of harms way
/r/seduction29/03/22 05:53 AM
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The problem is how many men do not respect her words and that boundary I agree, guys should basically even refuse sex and kissing the first couple of dates as well just to make sure no boundaries are crossed. Can't be too sure anymore
/r/seduction29/03/22 05:51 AM
1

I went to the mall yesterday to get some clothes, I saw a couple girls I liked but I didn't do anything or say anything to them. It seemed to weird to do so
/r/seduction28/03/22 09:52 PM
1

Sounds like dating after school is impossible lol It really is, I only seem to have 3 options at this point: A: Dating apps B: Cold approach C: Meeting them through Gym Out of these 3, C is considered taboo for some odd reason even though marriages have come out of it, B is a low probability of success bearing in mind my average looks, and A well...it's borderline impossible. I don't know how people do it 🤷‍♂️, I'm hoping with looksmaxxing and gymaxxing things would hopefully get easier with tim…
/r/seduction20/03/22 06:43 PM
1

Do you have any friends that are girls? Nope
/r/seduction20/03/22 06:37 PM
1

But trust me go for a relationship Where would I even "go for a relationship"? I'm graduated from university so that's out of the question, my dumbass should have tried harder in dating instead of only trying in academics. I really needed someone to kick my head and tell me college is for pursuing relationships as well, not just being a nerd lol. The only things I did extracurricular were play intramural sports (including coed). Now I just work, go to the gym and maybe go out on Fridays and week…
/r/seduction20/03/22 06:27 PM
1

I did it once and my whole thought process changed. I much rather get in a relationship with a girl I really like. One good girl is worth it Well that's the thing, I haven't even reached the hooking up stage. I feel like I need/want to experience this phase first for a bit perhaps because I feel like I've already missed out enough since that's what the young people seem to be doing. Well I suppose I'm still young but I meant younger than me (18-23). But maybe after a while I'll grow out of it an…
/r/seduction20/03/22 06:18 PM
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I think it’s to make sure guys like us don’t give up lol. It doesn’t make sense though, wouldn't it be in their best interest for us to give up? It would mean more girls for them, not that we had the chance to begin with anyway lol I truly recommend tinder I've tried the apps, no luck. I'm giving them another shot in a month or two though, I'm getting my pics taken by a photographer first. If that doesn't do the trick then my chances are basically over
/r/seduction20/03/22 06:55 AM
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Yes, I agree with everything you said. I'm in America too, the center of everything you described.
/r/seduction20/03/22 12:55 AM
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we have lost confidence in initiating conversations offline I would have the confidence to do this if girls actually seemed opened to it. But from what I've seen this isn't even remotely the case and seem creeped out if a guy tries to initiate something with her. 🤷‍♂️
/r/seduction20/03/22 12:36 AM
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I don't have any experience in offline dating Yeah I don't have any experience in dating in general so I don't know either 🤷‍♂️
/r/seduction20/03/22 12:28 AM
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It makes sense the way you say it and I wouldn't pursue someone like that but there just isn't really a way to tell who's who anymore. But I also noticed you're actually a decade older than me, perhaps it's an age thing and the newer generation doesn't like receiving compliments as much perhaps?
/r/seduction19/03/22 11:11 PM
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If so then change that in any way I don't know what to do, I'm pretty sure I'm not the worst looking either. Who knows 🤷‍♂️, whatever it is I don't think I've seen anyone show clear interest in me so this obviously means I'm no one's type so far. That's what evidence has shown me. They would have to do that with most people and I guarantee you that that's not most people So you're telling me all those girls that showed this were into me? I find that kind of hard to believe
/r/seduction19/03/22 11:04 PM
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you're just not those people's type Yeah I doubt I'm anyone's "type" if they light up or widen in a positive way I mean this has happened on occasions but I assume that's just how those people/girls are (always happy/receptive with everyone)
/r/seduction19/03/22 09:58 PM
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I like positive feedback and attention Hmmm strange, I thought this wasn't the case due to the sheer number of compliments/positive feedback (unwanted or not) a girl receives a day to the point where she'd get tired/sick of hearing the same compliments. This would especially be true if it was physical compliments, I don't know what to believe anymore 🤷‍♂️
/r/seduction19/03/22 09:55 PM
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like your necklace, cool shoes, you have pretty eyes Perhaps the necklace and shoe ones make sense, but I thought physical compliments were off limits? like you expect nothing in return. How does one do this?
/r/seduction19/03/22 09:52 PM
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Lol And it’s to give the 19-22 year olds who have absolutely no experience some false sense of hope that something changes at 30 This hits home to me lol, I'm 24 with no experience so far. That's why I'm not buying much of this claim, I'm obviously looksmaxxing and gymaxxing but I don't know if things will just magically change at 30.
/r/seduction19/03/22 08:35 PM
1

I thought girls didn't like being approached/didn't liked being complimented?
/r/seduction19/03/22 06:33 PM
1

Hmmm that sure is an anomaly. Like you're receiving attention from good looking girls with your hair begining to get thinner? Lol what?
/r/seduction19/03/22 05:18 PM
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unless you communicate with the interested person. Well that's a whole challenge in itself, from what I've seen majority of girls don't want to be approached anymore, so my chances are a bit low
/r/seduction19/03/22 05:13 PM
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I see women looking at me at the gym but I'm too much of a pussy to approach Lol same I'm also a bit slim, I only have muscle in my legs mainly since I've played football/soccer for years now. I'm pretty sure some girls have looked in my direction but I'm not exactly sure, I don't even have the balls to try to make eye contact with them anymore. What if I'm wrong and they look at me and think "what is this weirdo/creep looking at me for". So I just keep using the machine I'm using there but I ca…
/r/seduction19/03/22 04:37 PM
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I understand there are other factors that aren't physical at play, but isn't the physical appearance a huge part of it? I assume to most it'd be a deal breaker
/r/seduction19/03/22 04:21 PM
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If the 30+ year old played his cards right What percentage of 30 year Olds do you think "play their cards right"? One could assume a bunch of them won't take care of themselves, gain weight, etc. Just the maturity difference alone is massive for attracting women I don't know about this one. You think a mature balding 30 something year old that's short and with a receding chin is going to be more attractive than a tall, fit 20 something year old guy? I personally don't think so, and it sure won't…
/r/seduction19/03/22 06:10 AM
1

You said the preference would be at least 3 years older, that would lower my chances down to only ones from 18-21. I'm assuming older ones would find younger guys off putting as well.
/r/seduction19/03/22 06:03 AM
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Well if the preferences you say are true for a bunch of other girls around that age (also my age), then my options are even worse than what I thought lol
/r/seduction19/03/22 05:58 AM
1

Interesting, do you believe that this is the case for most girls around that age or is it perhaps just your own preference?
/r/seduction19/03/22 05:09 AM
1

So you'd find a 30 something year old guy more attractive than a guy around your age bracket [20-27ish]?
/r/seduction19/03/22 04:51 AM
1

How old are you if you don't mind me asking?
/r/seduction19/03/22 02:44 AM
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Yeah like potentially being her personal ATM or emotional pillow. I just wished some girl would actually swoon over my looks, but unfortunately my genetics won't allow that. No amount of good outfits and haircuts and showers will masquerade that. The only thing I have left for me to do is to gymmaxx, otherwise it's probably over for me.
/r/seduction19/03/22 02:40 AM
1

I wish I had good genetics 😔
/r/seduction19/03/22 02:29 AM
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Is he on reddit as well? If so can you provide his reddit username?
/r/seduction19/03/22 02:17 AM
1

Lol what a story, your cousing must be fairly good looking for that method to have worked on him
/r/seduction19/03/22 02:12 AM
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My cousin met his fiance while they were both stopped at a red light Lol what? Like both just got out of their cars? You can make your move anywhere, anytime Isn't it considered creepy to approach girls now though?
/r/seduction19/03/22 02:00 AM
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someone might catch ur vibe So the girl would approach me then?
/r/seduction19/03/22 01:56 AM
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And why do you think that a 20 year old is genetically superior? In terms of facial harmony/face structure (sharp goneon, good mandible, good ramus, good forward growth, non receding chin, high set cheekbones, hollow lower part of cheeks, eyebrow thickness, etc) A 30 or 40 year old guy could be very well off physically speaking in terms of hitting the gym and in terms of wealth, but his lack of some or most of the previous points mentioned would put him at a significant disadvantage compared to …
/r/seduction18/03/22 10:27 PM
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Idk dude, it's really not a benefit or a handicap that I've experienced Wouldn't it be seen as a handicap if you're older and attracted to early 20 something year old girls? I read an article surrounding spring break at the famous place most go to in Florida, coincidentally a bunch of older guys like going there to try to hit on the girls there that are college aged. And several of them were just put off by the fact that they were even there. https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2014/04/02/me…
/r/seduction18/03/22 10:09 PM
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usually peaking in the 40s granted he stays hitting the gym hard and isn't a loser. Women start at their peak around 18-25 and then are on a more downward slope after that. This is where I disagree with your first point. A 40 year old guy will not be better looking than a genetically superior 20 something year old that goes to the gym. He is much younger and thus will have no wrinkle marks, aging marks, or anything else aging related. A 40 something year old guy that has gone constantly to the g…
/r/seduction18/03/22 10:04 PM
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So as a 34 yr old woman I should be going for 20 something yr old guys? No, I guess I should have worded it better. But what I meant is I'm assuming guys would prefer to be seen as attractive to girls/women in their prime youth years (ages 18-25ish, maybe up to 27/28), but those guys in their 30s would only be seen as attractive to other 30, 40 year old women which probably won't be as attractive as women in their 20s. That's what I meant I'd personally rather have a 30 something guy who is at t…
/r/seduction18/03/22 09:53 PM
1

Make small talk Smile at them Every now and then u get lucky Doesn't this imply that I'm there "looking for pussy" though? I'm also there for the band but I'd also be there "looking for pussy".
/r/seduction18/03/22 09:50 PM
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They only see someone that doesn't fit beauty standards I agree with this sentiment, your success might only matter if you pass a certain line of looks
/r/seduction18/03/22 09:49 PM
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So if you pool women all ages But in the end wouldn't guys want to be seen as attractive to the women that are also the most attractive/in their looks prime? In this case it would be 18-25 year old women. Like you mentioned, a 22 year old woman which is in that prime looks age range will find a 24 year old much more attractive than a 30 something year old. Physical strength maximizes around age 30. Intelligence maximizes around age 30. I think this depends on where a guy stands genetic wise thou…
/r/seduction18/03/22 09:48 PM
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Go see a band I do, but I go there to see the band. I don't go there "looking for pussy"
/r/seduction18/03/22 09:30 PM
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Maybe try a new approach Like what? Also dont go out looking for pussy. I don't do that anymore, I still go out with friends or by myself doing things or wandering around the city (bowling alleys, arcades, visiting city attraction centers, etc) I don't interact with girls anymore, so I already follow that advice of "not looking for pussy"
/r/seduction18/03/22 09:20 PM
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Anyone can get laid I can't 🤷‍♂️
/r/seduction18/03/22 04:32 PM
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Hmm, there must be a specific sort of confidence one must have then because the confidence I have never got me anywhere. Same with charisma
/r/seduction18/03/22 03:19 AM
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Hmmm, I don't know. I mean personally I'm pretty sure the only vibe I've ever given off is that of a creep but I'm assuming other guys give off some positive "aura" perhaps? Like if a guy seems cheesy happy all the time then he gives off a fairly happy "aura"? Like that?
/r/seduction18/03/22 02:20 AM
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auras What's this?
/r/seduction18/03/22 02:17 AM
2

Good looking guys?
/r/seduction18/03/22 12:01 AM
0

You need to jestermaxx
/r/seduction17/03/22 05:30 PM
1

I do much better irl How does one even do anything at all IRL if most of the women don't want to be approached?
/r/seduction17/03/22 08:11 AM
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You can have causal sex at any stage of life It is much better when you're young though, and not an old guy with physical problems or issues getting it up. Lol you're really questioning why a guy shouldn't use his youth (his prime years) in a more sexual manner?
/r/seduction17/03/22 04:27 AM
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Be seductive, I don't know how to do this/be this. You just need to do it for someone Like any girl that I have interest in?
/r/seduction15/03/22 01:08 AM
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Adrenaline kicks in your happy and confused and all your senses light up. Interesting, let's say I get this adrenaline spike like you say. But it turns out the girl wasn't actually giving me those "eyes" and it's just a big misunderstanding? Or is there no mistaking this? It needs to be experienced. That's what I meant, I tried to say you either "observe" what it's like or you have to experience it firsthand. It's akin to your first kiss Well I haven't had my first kiss so...🤷‍♂️
/r/seduction15/03/22 01:06 AM
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Actually it's all about what you do So what is a guy supposed to do?
/r/seduction14/03/22 11:38 PM
1

I don't understand, did I say something bad?
/r/seduction14/03/22 11:37 PM
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Lol broootal
/r/seduction14/03/22 07:31 PM
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But it’s foolish to say it’s not possible to tell just because you have never experienced It. No it's not, you typically learn new things from past experiences or by active teaching (school) or notable observations that make sense/have logical patterns. I personly wouldn't know what these eyeing things are or what they look like since I've never experienced them. Well to be fair, I don't think girls even look in my general direction to begin with lol
/r/seduction14/03/22 07:13 PM
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Not every guy has the privilege of being "eyed" by girls or whatever you call it. It's not like you can just do something and it'll make it happen to you.
/r/seduction14/03/22 06:25 PM
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It's not that I don't want to believe, I obviously want to believe I can be successful. But so far from past experiences I'm led to believe the opposite, nobody chooses to be lonely and miserable on purpose.
/r/seduction14/03/22 05:37 PM
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The guy laughing at the bar with all his friends cracking jokes No, this has never worked for me. They don't care if the 5'6 manlet untermenschen is making his buddies laugh anywhere at all. The story is the complete opposite for chad. The guy dancing with every girl on the floor Hahahaha okay, you want me to get pushed away from every girl and be yelled at me "leave us alone you creep" or be given a stink face? Is that how I grow my confidence? Btw yes, I've been rejected by a couple girls I at…
/r/seduction14/03/22 05:33 PM
1

she'll probably go after a guy who is comfortable to be around. Comfortable being around....and good looking I'm assuming And I keep seeing this "confidence" line thrown around, how does a guy even display such "confidence" to the point of being approached by a girl this way without having some sort of good looks? Like what was the guy doing/what is the guy supposed to do?
/r/seduction14/03/22 04:29 PM
3

I think I agree with you OP
/r/seduction14/03/22 07:45 AM
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Lol what in the world. You must be a 9/10 chad for that to have happened
/r/seduction14/03/22 07:35 AM
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Make an observation about something I'm assuming
/r/seduction13/03/22 06:39 AM
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i have a muscular build with broad shoulders, not ripped just lean Yeah I don't have this upper body muscle tone, I'm fairly skinny (5'6, 140lb, 12-16% B fat). So that's I have my doubts. And all the dweebs have the chicks, js Lol are you serious? You're telling me the non musclely guys get the girls at your gym? I don't know what "js" means so I don't know if you're joking or not.
/r/seduction13/03/22 01:38 AM
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Hmmm, I'm kind of tempted to try this with a girl I see regularly at my gym but...idk. I don't have the chad looks nor the muscle to back me up lol
/r/seduction13/03/22 12:52 AM
1

So you two never had an actual interaction before that?
/r/seduction13/03/22 12:40 AM
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So it's now 40? What's next? A guys prime will be at 60 in the nursing home? Lol
/r/seduction12/03/22 04:37 PM
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so i just waited for a chick to start leaving the gym and asked her if she'd like to go out to dinner that weekend, she agreed and i ended up losing it to her Did you know this girl at all beforehand? Or was it just a completely random girl?
/r/seduction12/03/22 04:32 PM
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Part of me also feels disdain towards these women/signals as I never would have gotten them before I'd feel the same probably
/r/seduction10/03/22 08:07 PM
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I agree, time to break these double standards
/r/seduction09/03/22 07:46 PM
1

when i'm with a girl at the cafe, nobody asks me how creepy i was when i got her or how inappropriate the situation was. Well I don't know what to believe anymore then, I see conflicting evidence now
/r/seduction08/03/22 04:14 PM
1

When you do speak to a girl you find attractive, you will have something to talk about Okay, now this actually makes sense. But the problem is how would I even meet such girl?
/r/seduction08/03/22 06:25 AM
1

Nowadays I only play on Sundays only but I'm trying to join a team to play during the week. So I have to do some networking and what not. I play year long travel team, No, I don't travel out of state or anything like that to play. Only semi-pro clubs do that I'm assuming. I play somewhat locally within county or two distance wise I did a bunch of intramurals during college and won a couple of the titles I don't know if you consider that serious enough, but oh well🤷‍♂️
/r/seduction08/03/22 03:04 AM
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you’re inexperienced You're right I’m telling you what to do so you view life through a different lens. It doesn't matter how I view life/experiences/etc. There will always be a objective reason for why/how things happen. And none of this refutes my point on getting hobbies will magically make women want a guy. I've played soccer since I was in grade school (still do), even played in coed teams. Not once was did that change how girls viewed/view me. I'm still invisible to them lol And do other s…
/r/seduction08/03/22 01:50 AM
1

Most guys won't approach because they've been told it's creepy to approach women
/r/seduction07/03/22 11:23 PM
2

Lol you're literally the guy that I see all these women complaining about regarding "creepy men" 😂
/r/seduction07/03/22 10:25 PM
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Getting a hobby won't automatically make women come to you, that sounds kind of ridiculous. you need self esteem. How will this help OP? And btw I keep reading around other subs from women that they don't want to be approached, what about that?
/r/seduction07/03/22 10:23 PM
1

I admire your positivity
/r/seduction07/03/22 05:32 AM
1

Then it was just me and the other guy, and the guy had the audacity to say "sorry bro, I thought you wanted the other girl". I tell him to stop pretending he didn't know and that he had better game is all I laughed too hard at this 🤣, this guy mogged you and he rubbed it on you to finish it off. That's brutal, I'm sorry you went through that.
/r/seduction07/03/22 02:24 AM
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I looked it up because I'm also 24, and I see several people saying 24 is old. Made me feel fairly old and like I missed out on a bunch already
/r/seduction05/03/22 12:04 AM
1

Lol alright 👍
/r/seduction04/03/22 11:39 PM
2

I know, but are you actually from Odessa?
/r/seduction04/03/22 07:48 PM
1

Odessa Ukraine?
/r/seduction04/03/22 07:43 PM
1

you have no excuses bro, Ok, I suppose not. I'm an inch shorter, skinny as well (size 30) Idk why I got downvoted though, all I did was ask OP a question about his appearance lol and I’m still able to pull girls sometimes when I go out On your jogs?
/r/seduction04/03/22 06:31 PM
1

Way more than required to get good results with girls Wdym more than required?
/r/seduction04/03/22 09:04 AM
1

I'm in the process of doing that, but there is only so much you can do. After you can't really change your genetic facial structure or your height.
/r/seduction04/03/22 06:54 AM
1

The truth
/r/seduction04/03/22 06:09 AM
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I mean I'll still try lol They’re are plenty of girls that are horny and waiting for somebody with a dick to approach them Aren't they horny for good looking guys though? I'm not sure most girls there would be "horny" for me
/r/seduction04/03/22 05:45 AM
1

What do you mean you're getting all the signs? You're saying girls are just orbiting around you constantly wanting to get in your pants?
/r/seduction04/03/22 05:28 AM
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Above average height above average looks Yep, knew it. Seemed to good to be true lol I'm maybe a 6 in looks on a good day (definitely not on the beach as im fairly thin), and I'm short. So, maybe I won't have the same luck as you if you don’t know how to lead and escalate interactions. I think it'd be easier if you were above average though, because you could definitely get away with saying more flirty lines. While if a average or below guy said those lines he'd be seen in a creepy light I think…
/r/seduction04/03/22 05:21 AM
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Ok I'll ask the same question I've asked before in other posts: How tall and good looking are you OP?
/r/seduction04/03/22 05:01 AM
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women rarely get told they are pretty and it will usually make their day btw Lol and you know this how exactly? From what I've read, women get complimented on their looks most of the time to the point where they get sick of it. Some will even think negatively of the guy if he compliments the girls looks. women rarely get told they are pretty Women get hit on all the time Lol which one is it? They get approached all the time or they don't? Quite contradictory here.
/r/seduction04/03/22 12:01 AM
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All the time So everyday, even when going to the grocery store you still hit on girls?
/r/seduction03/03/22 08:48 PM
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You had a GF at 15 lol, I don't think you were in the same situation as OP
/r/seduction03/03/22 04:10 PM
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Maybe and apart from moving your ass up and down, what do you do? There's no way a guy that isn't a chad in looks can get away with saying this, lol what?
/r/seduction03/03/22 12:54 AM
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I thought 24 wasn't young anymore
/r/seduction02/03/22 04:36 PM
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Oof
/r/seduction27/02/22 09:14 PM
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Is it really the first thing they notice though? I'm pretty sure it would be the guys looks or perhaps the so much preached "confidence". A couple weeks ago this guy was at a club alone and he ended up pulling multiple girls, they didn't care at all who he was with, he was alone lol. But again, that guy was a bit tall and fairly good looking. So there's that.
/r/seduction27/02/22 06:01 PM
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I feel like it's obvious when a guy is just out to meet women, and it's a bit off putting, especially if he's by himself, what other choice do you have? (besides dating apps and meetups which are crap) Lol yeah, so what exactly am I supposed to do then? I'm getting to the point where I don't care if I'm seen as off putting anymore. If I don't do anything, nothing is going to happen. So might as well continue coming off as awkward hoping to eventually score.
/r/seduction27/02/22 08:42 AM
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Get a girl the way you know how then I don't know how, that's the problem
/r/seduction27/02/22 02:30 AM
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I'm going for girls around my looks match, I'm not that ridiculously picky. All I ask is that she's around my physique type (I'm kind of skinny), so obviously I won't go for overweight/obese girls. I actually take care of myself physically wise. But I'm not uniquely going for model tier girls either. I missed out on a number of potential opportunities because I was busy trying to get with my ideal 8s. I think I did have some opportunities when I was younger (back when I didn't really care about …
/r/seduction27/02/22 12:59 AM
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I get their their number cause I’m hot Lol okay, this obviously won't work for everyone since not everyone is good looking. Sure as shit won't work for me. College campuses have so many girls and I get them all Interesting...well I'm not in college anymore (graduated last year) so that option is obviously out of the question. And I'm sure as shit not a singer either
/r/seduction27/02/22 12:44 AM
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strip clubs How do you meet girls at a strip club? Lol, there's girls that go there? Obviously besides the strippers. college campuses Yeah, if guys are still in college they should definitely take advantage of this. I made the mistake of not creating enough chances in college. After college, things definitely seem 50x Harder (as a guy at least)
/r/seduction26/02/22 11:14 PM
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I get girls in public places Which public places? Also you're a good looking guy, so obviously it's very easy for you. It may not be so easy for others without those looks.
/r/seduction26/02/22 08:28 PM
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you should consider that a blessing my Boi Ever heard the phrase "someone's blessing is someone else's curse"? Yes, I've had my time to "enjoy myself" and what not, but there comes a point in time where I want to share it with someone else. And not at a friend level, but more intimate than that. you'll eventually find a wonderful person to be with you shouldn't stress all the drama I don't think this is the case, people keep saying this and it's a very passive approach. Personally I'm making it …
/r/seduction26/02/22 08:26 PM
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and if you happen to converse or meet a female then good shit than if not enjoy yo folk or whatever you're doing That's the thing, I've been doing this for the past 5 or so years and nothing has ever happened. I didn't focus on going to find a girl either, I just went and enjoyed whatever I went to go do. And it has never been the case where I "just happened to converse with a girl", I had to actively make the effort or else it doesn't just happen. I can't keep having the passive approach or els…
/r/seduction26/02/22 08:23 PM
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Thanks
/r/seduction26/02/22 07:17 PM
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I typically work from home, fuck me lol I work from home too, except I didn't drop out. COVID decided to take away a year of my university, granted I might have grown some bigger balls and tried more. But that's left as that, as a "would have". I only go out Fridays and the weekends to try to find someone now, but it has been a hell so far. Some of the places I've gone to have women way too old for me lol
/r/seduction26/02/22 07:17 PM
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wether or not your reasons for cosmetics is purely for enjoyment or insecurities None of the above, it's so I can get better looking and girls can actually see me as a desirable guy. Not some ghost they just ignore all the time.
/r/seduction26/02/22 06:36 PM
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but got damn folk really be stressing it too much live yo life their isn't a correct age to settle down I'm not even necessarily looking to settle down, I'm looking to start dating...at all. I'm a ridiculous late bloomer (24 M) and have never done anything with a girl. Obviously I'm starting to stress about it since I'm in my mid 20s and have 5 years of my 20s left to enjoy them and I already wasted my early 20s and late teens by not approaching as much as I should have. you are looking you'll n…
/r/seduction26/02/22 06:31 PM
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Maximize your looks, then put in volume I'm currently doing that, started going to the gym a couple weeks ago, went and got botox, getting acne scar treatment, and getting braces on in a couple weeks. Does this mean I should just wait several months do start approaching again until I get better looking? Because I don't want to waste anymore of my youth (what's left of it) single
/r/seduction26/02/22 05:19 PM
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with the existence of stuff like cold approach and online dating, Personally online dating is a hell for me and cold approaching well...it doesn't bring much success either. I guess I've just gotten garbage luck. I should have really tried to create more opportunities when I was in my college years...
/r/seduction26/02/22 05:14 PM
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kinda weird So it's weird if you approach them but it's not weird if they approach you? Lol
/r/seduction26/02/22 03:26 AM
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Isn't dating tricky everywhere else though basically? Reading everything around here makes dating as a guy seem like a ridiculous nightmare. I should have made more attempts to date when I was in college. Now post college is a desert hell. I missed out, now I'm paying for it lol If cold approaching doesn't work, dating apps don't work, and friends circles are tricky, then what will work?
/r/seduction26/02/22 12:01 AM
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What if you don't have "circles" then? The implication means that those guys are screwed
/r/seduction25/02/22 11:42 PM
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Hitting the gym once is not going to fix your problems overnight. I know, but isn't this the same thing therapy wise though? I'm assuming people have to attend these sessions for months until they can "suppress" those feelings.
/r/seduction25/02/22 04:30 AM
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If you think you're unattractive then go see a therapist if it's really causing that much of an issue in your head. You mean the gym/dermatologist/dentist? Those can actually fix your looks, not a therapist sub that's all about building self confidence and bettering yourself overall I thought it was about how to approach girls? Either way you need to get off the internet and start solving problems that you can do something about Agreed
/r/seduction25/02/22 02:59 AM
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Seems like a good outline, good luck!
/r/seduction24/02/22 11:37 PM
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I mean this might work if the girl reached out to your mother and asked about you, but other than that I'm not sure it would make you look good at all.
/r/seduction24/02/22 11:35 PM
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I feel like this is the worst option out of all
/r/seduction24/02/22 10:53 PM
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Well it depends on who's saying this. How tall and good looking are you?
/r/seduction24/02/22 04:53 PM
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That wasn't the question though
/r/seduction24/02/22 04:02 PM
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i don’t need to even partake in ‘the game’ I never said you do, it's a game to guys. To women they have to just wait around for guys to approach them and look good. Simple as that, we have to do a little more than that. have a better worldview and stop pitying yourself. A better view like what? Online dating at the very least has taught me enough of what I needed to know, especially when I requested my data. you will attract the wrong woman then i guess you will learn, given that you do attract …
/r/seduction24/02/22 01:42 AM
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you act like this is a game and that’s why you keep losing If it keeps getting treated as a game, then it's most likely a game. But also funny how some of the guys that treat it like a game the most and even call approaching women "having game" are the most successful at it lol. Maybe you're also wrong about this. i’m not going to resent all men over it. Nobody is resenting all women or all men, you brought up that idea. And yeah men might have disregarded you, guys get disregarded at a much hig…
/r/seduction24/02/22 01:32 AM
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a lot of men think they know what all women want. Not all, but most. And attempting to attract most will gather the most success. What do you mean "the right ones"? And what percentage of women are the right ones? And what makes them/qualifies them as the right ones? you sound calculative and like you're trying desperately to manipulate a specific outcome. Thats exactly the point, you really think a guy will get success if he does nothing to change his situation? Of course not, those guys go on …
/r/seduction24/02/22 01:12 AM
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What was Dramatic from what I said? I think the word you're looking for is depressing, knowing that if you never experienced it as a guy then there's no going back in time. Pretty sad in my opinion
/r/seduction23/02/22 06:26 PM
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there is nothing wrong with that but society has led many men to believe there is I wouldn't say society, but nature or biology itself. Women never needed social media to tell them what they found attractive in guys and more often that not it was taller or stronger guys. Simple as that. many women (and men) don't care about this irrational criteria that many men think they need to meet Yes they do, otherwise I wouldn't have so much rejection under my belt. A bunch of times it had been due to hei…
/r/seduction23/02/22 07:32 AM
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😆
/r/seduction23/02/22 06:24 AM
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If you think the reason you're failing at dating is because you're aeshetically unattractive then you should focus on makign those changes for yourself. Personally, I don't think I'm unattractive anymore. I've been rated a few times already and most conclude I'm in the 4-6 range (around average). Not great, not terrible. But either way I'm still trying to max out my looks in every way possible (minus plastic surgery). Also clubbing if you're not extremely attractive is not the best place to show…
/r/seduction23/02/22 04:31 AM
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Yeah, you still got 5 years left to make something happen before reaching the age of "absolute regret"
/r/seduction23/02/22 03:00 AM
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How old are you?
/r/seduction23/02/22 02:01 AM
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I understand you. It's a terrible sad feeling knowing you'll never get to experience what many other normal people already got to experience early in their young lives. And there's absolutely nothing you can do about it that will fix it
/r/seduction23/02/22 12:52 AM
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Even "normal" people have some kind of mental health issues. I guess I look at it from a different view. Basically I come from a side where it's a bit "closedoffish", they never went to therapists or any of that. Matter of fact, I don't even think they knew those existed back then. So they just kind of dealt with their problems by drinking them away or with anger issues at times lol I kind of developed myself this way a bit If you are on reddit posting blackpill content and have never been able …
/r/seduction22/02/22 10:43 PM
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that you do have some mental health issues (no offense), No offense taken, these issues are really only "diagnosed" by the professionals. And since I have never visited a professional, then well technically I don't have "mental health issues". As far as I know I'm probably just fine, I don't like to diagnose myself with anything I don't know about. and mental health issues is the biggest reason men are incel. I might agree with you here, there are some pretty good looking guys that are black pil…
/r/seduction22/02/22 10:04 PM
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But sometimes this intimacy does turn into attraction, I'm doubtful this will be the case with me, but I don't mind getting new friends either way. Because from what you said you have a lot of emotional issues that are unresolved and you are having significant challenges in dating I do have challenges dating but those are because I'm unattractive, that's what I'm currently working on with skin care and other stuff. Doesn't really have anything to do "emotional wise". I suppose it's not "working"…
/r/seduction22/02/22 09:16 PM
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In the same way, don't demand women are far out of your league. It not coping its just being realistic about who you can get. I think this inspires me even more to get better looking, that way I'll get a better looking girl. I'm sure if I achieve a certain looks level, then I'll finally get the privileges many guys get of sleeping around. I just need to do this before my 20s end. and find some female friends as well. I don't think they want me either (currently that is) and they can handle overw…
/r/seduction22/02/22 08:57 PM
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and of course looks is crucial for first impressions. At least it let's me know where I stand looks wise who are very happy and this totally beats being forever alone Perhaps Many guys should start caring more about personality and compatibility and stop only wanting hot young women who are out of their league Again, this seems like a coping mechanism because a guy could never land an attractive girl. Although this seems to imply that young hot women don't have "personality", which probably isn'…
/r/seduction22/02/22 08:26 PM
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Men tend to be attracted primarily to looks Women too, not just men. If this wasn't true then women wouldn't be as picky on tinder when it comes to looks. Also the reason the bl*ck pill even exists today is also the reason for guys not holding up their looks standards anymore. they have instincts to look for women with the greatest fertility and they want good genes for their children Yes, I agree with this. Which is why I've said I probably won't even try to date once I'm in my 30s if I haven't…
/r/seduction22/02/22 07:35 PM
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You just need to be aware of why you are attracted to younger women For missing out but there are mentally healthy ways to think about this that don't result in low self esteem You mean coping? Deluding yourself thinking "oh I skipped the immature ages of dating", those ones? I've heard this before from other people (people that experienced young love), and they have no idea what they're talking about. I know for a fact I will never get over this fact that I missed out, no amount of therapy will…
/r/seduction22/02/22 07:14 PM
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But ultimately he will have to start dating and get into relationships to make the best progress. I'm in the same boat, I missed out on dating in my teens and college years (I'm 24), still haven't yet landed a date. But if I managed to somehow start dating, I'd still be upset about the fact that I missed out on all that time with girls. Again, it's something that will stick with you forever. I can't even imagine the pain that 30 or 40 something year old virgins go through in this regard.
/r/seduction22/02/22 07:02 PM
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I suggest seeing a therapist to deal with some of these issues No amount of therapy is going to fix the issue being that he missed out on young love/dating. That's a huge pain that will stick with you forever
/r/seduction22/02/22 06:54 PM
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If you're attractive, it doesn't matter what you say Attractiveness ends up being mostly objective anyways
/r/seduction22/02/22 06:08 PM
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more and more young man fall into that trap Well why was the incel community created in the first place? And why do you think it has kept growing in the past 5-10 years?
/r/seduction22/02/22 06:00 PM
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its not their fault they alone It kind of is though, some of them are just not extremely good looking (like me). Hence they won't get any luck with girls. There are some genetic things they can't change like height and facial structure but other than that they have to max out their looks with skin care, gym or braces or else they won't have luck. Darwinism is rough But yeah, I agree with you that the term incel isn't the same as woman hater/misogynist/anti women. People seem to have these terms …
/r/seduction22/02/22 05:59 PM
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I blame wokeness Yes, that as well
/r/seduction22/02/22 03:22 PM
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That must mean you follow rules 1 and 2 then
/r/seduction22/02/22 12:31 AM
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It seems that we're headed towards something like what Japan is going through. I know it's pretty bad in the U.S. (where I'm from). But yes, social media is definitely adding fuel to the fire.
/r/seduction21/02/22 10:42 PM
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There's a couple things that could be at play: Supposing you're as attractive as you claim, they just think you're either taken or you won't even give them a chance. So their mindset is "why bother is she'll just say no". They think you're too "out of their league" Guys are too scared to approach, note most of the advice on dating subs (not this sub) generally tell guys shouldn't approach a girl cold/out of the blue because that's considered rude/inappropriate or whatever else they claim. Hence …
/r/seduction21/02/22 10:14 PM
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I just don’t think I am approachable because of my shyness and lack of confidence. I’m just awkward lol Nah, it's not that. How old are you? Guys more often than not won't care if you're shy or not, if anything there's a subset of them that get off on you being shy/awkward. So this isn't the reason, there has to be something else. Things aren't adding up.
/r/seduction21/02/22 10:03 PM
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Yes, check the stats for the number of virgins/celibate guys has been on the rise for the past 5 or so years.
/r/seduction21/02/22 10:00 PM
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Are you really an attractive woman? And I'm highly doubtful of your situation, because guys won't care about how shy you are. You'll have one that approaches you sooner or later, unless of course you don't have a very "inviting" facial expression. It’s not about looks y’all It's definitely about looks
/r/seduction21/02/22 09:59 PM
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Something I've noticed about men of my generation (i'm 25), is that we're way too black pilled. Alot of us believe if we're not a 6 ft plus white guy with a sharp jawline and a bunch of money we're pretty much doomed All of this is basically true, why do you think all this go to the gym and work on your self stuff comes from? Clearly you have to work out to get better looking if you aren't already 6 foot tall with a nice jawline. If you aren't genetically gifted, then you have to compensate in o…
/r/seduction21/02/22 08:56 PM
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you’re saying grown women would date a child I never said that, the women that swooned over him said that. I'm simply telling you what happened, the kid went on Elen and all those older women there were swooning over him on the show. Does pointing that out really make me an incel?
/r/seduction21/02/22 05:51 PM
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Man you’re giving incel vibes rn. What makes you say that? I just counter argued what that guy said about a 36 year old being more desirable than a younger guy.
/r/seduction21/02/22 04:55 PM
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because you seem to point out your flaws quite often and then relate them to how women view you To be honest I didn't notice half the things I know about myself about 5 years back. I actually thought I was handsome/good looking back then lol, I was obviously wrong. It wasn't until I noticed something very wrong which took time to realize, that is I never really received attention from the opposite sex. So I eventually began asking myself: why? This happened after I tried approaching in college a…
/r/seduction21/02/22 04:24 AM
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If you are hoping for something you're admitting it's not in your hands Hmmm yes and no. Because it's dependent on different women, I just need to get lucky that eventually one will over see the flaws/defects I have and can't change like my height, round goneon or big nose. But at the same time I'm also working on reducing defects like acne (clearer skin in general), getting straight white teeth, getting leaner/bulkier build. That way it'll increase my chances of more women liking me/being attra…
/r/seduction21/02/22 03:37 AM
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self respect and confidence I have self respect and confidence, enough to want to continue trying to date/approach even after countless rejections. Women dont care about what "type of guy you are", Didn't you say women are attracted to different kinds of people/types? Something along those lines I'm not being mean Don't worry about that, I see no hostility Meditation, therapy, gym and goals will do you good. Women will follow, or not. The point is you shouldn't care. I don't think they would fol…
/r/seduction21/02/22 03:17 AM
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Yea women like different stuff That short I sent explains that too. You're right, women like the "bad boy" type, the nerd type, the athlete type, etc but as long as they're somewhat genetically blessed. You be you. Women will dig that Hmmm, nobody has "digged me" before ever since I was 18 and back then when none of this garbage was in my head yet and I wasn't venting on reddit. So, I'm not sure about that claim. But I also don't think the answer would be "fuck em all", because they're obviously…
/r/seduction21/02/22 03:03 AM
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Ride a bike or something I'm already employed, go to the gym and do all the physical self improvement stuff everyone here advices. That still doesn't change what I said being true
/r/seduction21/02/22 02:54 AM
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You’re kidding yourself if you think those grown adult women would be willing to have a relationship with that kid. They'd at the very least be willing to sleep around with him, yes they would. And you'd actually be delusional if you thought otherwise. The kid kept getting a bunch of thirst messages sent to him by older women. And I don’t know what the fuck you sent me on with that tiktok. Are you 12 years old? Pretty sure grown women don’t use tiktok It's a YouTube short, not tiktok. It's a bl*…
/r/seduction21/02/22 01:43 AM
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Guy is probably going to have to resort to escorts from now on considering his situation
/r/seduction21/02/22 01:35 AM
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Lol then how come a bunch of women (yes, older adult women) and girls swooned over that alex from target guy who was literally still an underage teen? He even went on Elen just for his looks 🤣 What about this guy and similar who are at most late 20s? https://youtube.com/shorts/9KjbIMe_h5w?feature=share Guaranteed women swoon over guys similar to this guys looks yet your argument is that some 36 year old guy will outcompete him? 😂
/r/seduction21/02/22 01:33 AM
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mans prime starts at 30 when it comes to sexual market value Loool no it doesn't
/r/seduction21/02/22 01:18 AM
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hasn't made it 10 times more frustrating for you that it hasn't happened No, it's terribly frustrating and I do hate those phrases that keep getting told to me. The biggest one that I hate are "just be confident" and "there's someone for everyone", I can't stand when that's told to me as if looks and height didn't play a role on my success (or lack of success). Thank your lucky stars you have a network of friends to support you. I don't. I have friends that I hang out with every now and then, th…
/r/seduction20/02/22 10:47 PM
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Probably commit suicide because everyone around me finds sex and touch everywhere at the drop of a hat. And I've lived a pretty lonely life without friends and full of rejection. I've just had enough. I mean I'm practically in the same situation as you but only a year older than you (minus the friends part), but I think suicide is a terrible thing to think about. Especially you being so young, there must be other things to live for don't you think? I'm still holding on to hope that I'll find som…
/r/seduction20/02/22 09:52 PM
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It usually changes when you see growth and you realise youre chiselling a physique out yourself and you're kinda doing this for yourself now and it starts to feel so much better. I don't know exactly if it will change to this, I'm still trying to get what most normal people experience in my age (dating, sex, etc). But I never know, maybe you're right. most people would rather sit at home in denial, I used to be like that thinking I didn't have it too bad, it wasn't until I asked to get my looks …
/r/seduction20/02/22 03:41 PM
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Yeah, it depends on the club and well...your looks, physique, height and finally confidence. You have to loosen up and dance even if you know you're a garbage dancer and hope that you charm your way into a girl. I saw this guy pull like 3 different girls one time at the club, he just started dancing around them and they went towards him lol Obviously he was around a foot taller than me and had good looks.
/r/seduction20/02/22 07:26 AM
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And learn how to deal with being rejected etc. and as you improve yourself you will see the change in how girls react to you What if you still get rejected even after maxing your looks, what then? Lol wouldn't that just mean you've done what you can and still get rejected hence any more approaching is pointless? I doubt you are that ugly that no girls will ever give you a good reaction for you to practice That's not up to me to decide, it's up to the girls I encounter. That's where my real datin…
/r/seduction20/02/22 07:11 AM
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Well now you're giving contradictory advice. First you implied that even if I'm not yet desirable that I should still approach/try. Then here you say girls aren't going to like me if they find me undesirable. Hence it would be pointless to approach if they find me undesirable, it would be a guaranteed failure every time by the implication you're making.
/r/seduction20/02/22 06:08 AM
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And it's possible to date by still not looking "attractive/desirable" nowadays? Especially being short
/r/seduction20/02/22 05:40 AM
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It’s not enough for that I know, but it will be a greater advantage then what I'm at right now you’re still in a kind of desperate frame of mind if you’re doing it for women. Of course I'm desperate, I've never gotten a date at my late age (24). I'm doing everything I can to change that, including getting better looking. Not just gym but skin care and braces as well. Edit: One thing I can't change unfortunately is my height though
/r/seduction20/02/22 05:01 AM
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You go to the gym and lift weights and eat healthy for YOURSELF I'm doing it to get women interested in me mainly
/r/seduction20/02/22 04:02 AM
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Looooool
/r/seduction20/02/22 02:18 AM
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It's the answer he needs because his problem is that he's not ready. So he's probably never going to be ready then, so your solution is that he never approaches again? Lol
/r/seduction19/02/22 06:09 PM
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But it’s not gonna help you get girls Yes it will
/r/seduction19/02/22 09:33 AM
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What I'm telling you is that outer game increases confidence and provides for more participation from women I understand that It should not take a year to improve your looks unless you have a tremendous amount of weight to lose/gain. I don't really have muscle, so yes it'll probably take a year for me to look good at least. remember, there's no such thing as an ugly person I don't know about that
/r/seduction19/02/22 09:14 AM
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Idk, that's why I'm asking since that seems to be the implication
/r/seduction19/02/22 04:32 AM
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we tender down our direct approaches with women and our sole focus working on our outer game You're suggesting I should just not approach (at all, zero approaches) for about a year or two until I become good looking correct? Then only then will I be able to approach?
/r/seduction19/02/22 04:04 AM
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Right...so that means I should get better looking first and not even bother approaching right now?
/r/seduction19/02/22 03:48 AM
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I'm good looking, have great aesthetics Okay, so I have to get good looking first then?
/r/seduction19/02/22 03:42 AM
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Some girls will be fuck yeah he's cute and other's will be like "ew" like in this case Yes, but there's also the game of chance which is very different depending on each guys physique/face. If a guy is fat and doesn't really have a good face then the chances of him receiving that "ew" are probably much bigger than a tall handsome looking guy. There is no shame in going for what you want I agree with you on that, but that guy had been rejected his whole life and decided to try again several times…
/r/seduction18/02/22 09:07 PM
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Wrong
/r/seduction18/02/22 04:30 PM
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Start thinking that you're attractive to women, and you actually will be Oh I definitely thought I was attractive to women back then, I wasn't until I started approaching and going on dating apps when I found out they didn't think the same about me. There are enough women out there that will get wet for you despite your looks How do you know this exactly? And what percentage of women do you think are like this?
/r/seduction18/02/22 01:06 AM
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Tough, it's over then
/r/seduction17/02/22 07:28 PM
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What I mean is that, initially, being tall, muscular, jacked, having money is great for grabbing her attention Yea well I don't even meet this "initial step" There are plenty of examples of ugly men that have hot wives/girlfriends These are very rare cases and not the norm, and most of those guys are the result of women settling down for them. I highly doubt the woman is actually turned on by the far ugly guy, if anything she probably fantasizes about the times when she was with a hotter looking…
/r/seduction17/02/22 07:25 PM
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Height and looks don’t matter It absolutely helps Lol so it does kind of matter then? that are way shorter, way fatter, and way uglier get very hot girls Where have you seen this? On TV or IRL (where) Pre selection makes you attractive to women. Preselection is heavily based on looks though You don’t understand how attraction works for women yet. I guess I don't
/r/seduction17/02/22 06:00 PM
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Plus take a trip bro to Thailand or Cambodia or Colombia I'd be VERY CAREFUL when visiting these countries for that purpose. The tamest danger would be getting an STD from these women, the worst would be that you hooked up with the girl/family member of a dangerous syndicate or cartel and you end up getting cut into pieces just for choosing the wrong woman. I say this because it has happened in Mexico I believe, that stuff sounds scary lol
/r/seduction16/02/22 08:51 PM
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Maybe that last part would be true if society was still a bit more religious. But that isn't the case anymore, your parents come from a completely different generation so it's not really their fault per say. They didn't predict how the world would be several decades later. I think you're one of the actual cases where you actually just need "better social skills" and you'll be good. Because you already have the looks and height part down. I can easily say you're way better off than me lol
/r/seduction16/02/22 06:27 PM
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And you're not able to pull any girls? Lol wtf is going on
/r/seduction16/02/22 06:20 PM
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Maybe you're tall but your face isn't very good looking? (No offense btw, just trying to make sense of things). Because I keep seeing that women would prefer a taller guy even over a short handsome guy. (Not that it matters, I'm not very handsome either). All the times I've gone to these places, basically everyone is taller than me. So my "social skills" can only get me so far.
/r/seduction16/02/22 06:07 PM
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?lol what?
/r/seduction16/02/22 05:11 PM
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How many times do kids fall when they're learning to ride a bike? Probably not as many failures as me
/r/seduction16/02/22 05:02 PM
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It's not just the dancing, I'm considering ever since I "began" back in college days. That's the 100% rejection rate I meant I'm just including the nightclub rejections along. Well I still haven't gotten "numb" or anything like that, every rejection has kept stinging on a similar level.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:49 PM
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They're still celebrities 🤷‍♂️
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:45 PM
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A rich celebrity? Of course, that's expected.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:44 PM
1

You're probably not as good looking then...?
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:44 PM
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They're about 80% of importance though, which is still very significant
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:43 PM
1

Everyone who's done the club scene has been turned down for a dance and a number at least once I understand, but a 100% rejection isn't something to consider? Especially at my age (24)
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:26 PM
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100 times? Lol what? 🤣 How many times are you approaching?
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:13 PM
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Well yea, that's the only option there is. Hopefully I'll just become so numb to the rejection eventually.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:11 PM
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Looks, height So if I don't have looks nor height I should just not even step foot in a club?
/r/seduction16/02/22 06:27 AM
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But again, this is assuming the guy is good looking and tall right? I saw this guy on a different sub where he did the same exact thing you said by starting to dance near a girl. And she just moved away from him giving him this "ew" look. And the guy just walked away in shame.
/r/seduction16/02/22 06:27 AM
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When girls see you're a guy that takes care of himself, The guy has to be good looking as well though regardless if he has a good job, has hobbies, etc.
/r/seduction16/02/22 12:14 AM
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Not much have changed since the 50s Lol okay Anything to say about dating apps or the fact that a majority of couples in modern day have met online in one way or another?
/r/seduction16/02/22 12:01 AM
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Good luck,my friend Same
/r/seduction15/02/22 11:10 PM
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being lepper actually attracts a lot of attention You're right, I'll stick to the "being more like a ghost" I'm decently ugly but I suppose not to the point where it grabs too much attention Well,I hope You won't give up, I'll give myself 2 or 3 more years before I begin to give up. If nothing by then, then I'll probably just accept that darwinism has decided to weed out my inferior genetics 🤷‍♂️ call me "Femoid" No
/r/seduction15/02/22 10:42 PM
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If you're a man and you're not an 8-10/10,you don't exist Hahahaha yep, spot on! This is the exact case for me, I'm like a ghost just roaming around like I don't exist. Almost like a leper even. This is exactly why I hate approaching, it's practically a predicted rejection for me everytime. Because there's always a taller more handsome guy than me at the setting so they can practically just eye them and they'll come to her. But for some reason this "cope" keeps getting spread around that "it's m…
/r/seduction15/02/22 10:25 PM
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"Hey, You're really pretty, I hope You don't mind me bothering. Can I get Your number if You don't mind?" Hmmm I didn't think this line could work in today's day, especially with so many around here saying that sounds creepy, predatory, or needy. Especially in the setting you were in, apparently you were in a "cornered position" hence that would have been a terrible and inappropriate place to approach you. But you seem just fine and dandy about it. Suppose you weren't taken, would you have accep…
/r/seduction15/02/22 10:06 PM
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even from "ugglies" Lol I don't know about that, I guess you're an exception I mean,should I? I don't know 🤷‍♂️, that's why I'm asking around. But the consensus seems to point that you should. Some of them are very original and entertaining and take "no" So you get a kick out of it/are amused by guys shooting their shot?
/r/seduction15/02/22 09:53 PM
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No, I looked through your profile and you are about a 7 at least I think. Still, things aren't adding up. Don't you get disgusted/sick of guys approaching you/complementing you? That's the consensus I keep getting from these forums is pretty/above average women get approached so much that they end up hating it. Hence why a bunch of guys either don't even bother approaching or are hesitant to do so.
/r/seduction15/02/22 09:31 PM
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You're an 8 and you don't get approached by many guys? 🤔 Something isn't adding up
/r/seduction15/02/22 09:27 PM
1

How good looking are you? (Scale 1-10 objectively speaking)
/r/seduction15/02/22 09:23 PM
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You remember all complements/interactions you receive from 50 different guys each week?
/r/seduction15/02/22 08:52 PM
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I know a load of guys in the 5”6’ region that do well I guess I'm the exception
/r/seduction15/02/22 07:00 AM
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He's probably good looking, they came to him lol
/r/seduction15/02/22 04:21 AM
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I see, well I guess it's just dependent on each person's perspective. I believe we're in similar situations (I've never been able to land a date either), but I don't hate women because they won't date me. Instead I kind of grew unhappy with myself (my height, my looks, etc). But there's nothing left for me to do besides to try to get better looking so I can experience what the typical normal people get to experience. You should probably switch gears and move towards that direction as well, I rec…
/r/seduction14/02/22 08:55 PM
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I've approached, I never said this happened to me personally. But it still happens nonetheless, I consider myself fortunate that it hasn't happened to me yet.
/r/seduction14/02/22 07:58 PM
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5'9 is a fairly decent height and being a 6 is a pretty good rating. I'm assuming you've at least been approached once before with those stats IRL. Like everyone says lift weights, eat well, do cool shit and you’ll meet girls Yeah, I am trying to get bigger (gym) to compensate for my manlet height.
/r/seduction14/02/22 07:44 PM
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Why would you be angry at them? Shouldn't you be angry at yourself?
/r/seduction14/02/22 07:09 PM
1

I don't know who this Ross Jeffries guy is and what he has to do with me
/r/seduction14/02/22 07:46 AM
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Are you willing to work on yourself? Its tonna take a lil bit of time I know, I recently began going to the gym and this Wednesday I'm going to go get rid of a facial defect I have and hopefully get om accutane. So the real gym effects won't show for another 2 years. I'm basically going to fuck off/not date or get any sort of action (unless I pay for it) while I get my looks up so I can actually be seen as a desirable human, idk if I'll even be in the mood to date by then. Add good dressing, gro…
/r/seduction14/02/22 07:28 AM
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Well I do have a bunch of facial defects plus I'm short and ethnic so tinder doesn't work well for me (obviously). And the taking nicer pics stuff is probably feasible for guys that are slightly above average (6 or 7s) not for any guys below that (I'm objectively a 4, maybe a 5 on a really good day).
/r/seduction14/02/22 06:59 AM
1

A complete stranger put her hand on your thigh unsolicited? How tall are you and how attractive are you (realistically) from 1-10?
/r/seduction14/02/22 06:21 AM
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You mentioned it, so I thought you'd give a somewhat concrete answer. So you mentioned it but you don't know what it means?
/r/seduction14/02/22 05:42 AM
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What is this "body language"?
/r/seduction14/02/22 05:21 AM
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It will never happen cuz you think like this I know it won't happen, but that has nothing to do with how I think but with my looks. Putting a hand on someone's thigh is an extreme rare form of "human interaction". Especially with two strangers, the only way this would happen feasibly is if the guys looks were overwhelmingly high on the looks scale. Looks which I clearly don't have. “Oh why’d you grab my hand?” Um “oh why’d you have your hand on my thigh?” These definitely seem good to see the re…
/r/seduction14/02/22 04:29 AM
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Maybe it was accidental and she didnt realize it at the time, I wouldn't ever jump to any conclusions unless she confirmed it in speech. From what I know a wrong assumption can get you in big trouble, so I know to not do that. Edit: This is hypothetically speaking though, this kind of thing will never happen to me anyways lol
/r/seduction14/02/22 02:36 AM
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Before any of this, you MUST be good looking
/r/seduction14/02/22 12:49 AM
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All op had to do was put his hand on top of hers and see her reaction Idk, sounds kind of dangerous to do so. Maybe it was by accident and she'd be creeped out if the guy made an advance, the guy might even get reported for harassment if this was the case.
/r/seduction13/02/22 11:17 PM
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Honestly if I was in that same situation (extremely unlikely anyways) I'd also think she was unaware where she placed her hand. There's always a good explanation for everything.
/r/seduction13/02/22 10:35 PM
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Lol yep, I just have to overcompensate for my garbage height by jestermaxxing and trying to gym max. Can't really do anything else about this height "defect" I have.
/r/seduction11/02/22 08:07 PM
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My last "start-up" wasn't until I was 34 Yeah, well I'm pretty sure neither me nor OP will want to wait half a decade to just to do what most other people are doing (dating, marriage, casual, etc). That seems like a waste of youth, if I had to bite the bullet and just go to the gym and work my self like a slave for my all of my remaining 20s just to check off all of the boxes to he "relationship ready", I wouldn't even consider dating anymore. I wouldn't even see the point of it, experiencing it…
/r/seduction10/02/22 09:21 PM
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Over the years, I've given up So you did end up similarly (giving up on dating) Eventually, like 5 years later, I had the self-confidence for dates, and it showed! Are you a guy or a girl? I'm assuming you're bi since you seem to say you dated both guys and gals. And how old were you when you started dating again?
/r/seduction10/02/22 08:45 PM
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Stop using external factors as an attribute as how much of an "x" you are It is impossible not to do so, your success IS based on external factors. How successful you are is dictated on how well off financially you are and what kind of job you have. How much of a "ladies guy"/attractive guy is dependent on if girls even look at your direction. How well you're doing in a hobby/sport is based on successful you are on it/win percentage rate. And so on and so forth. he will stop judging himself by h…
/r/seduction10/02/22 08:20 PM
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Any time lol I always love being the joke Seriously I get a bit annoyed when we keep getting called "short kings", at this point I see at as a pity name. Truth is most of us are looked down upon (literally too 🤣) for our heights whether it's by women in dating or just on a professional level.
/r/seduction10/02/22 07:53 PM
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He if can't land even one of them, that means the "problem" is within himself Yes and no. The yes could be due to looks or height, maybe there is room for other reasons. The no could be due to girls having higher standards in his area which is why they don't pick OP. You have to remember that in the age of online dating it is significantly easier for women to find a much better looking date, it is the cruel reality of today. he will stop that "dark spiral." This spiral will not stop until he fin…
/r/seduction10/02/22 07:33 PM
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It depends on your looks OP
/r/seduction10/02/22 06:25 PM
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Lol we're not "short kings", just call us as we are: Manlets
/r/seduction10/02/22 06:11 PM
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OP clearly has not learned to love himself (first). And that is the first step before he can love somebody else. He's too attached to "wanting" a girlfriend, too. Maybe he did "love himself" before realizing that he can't get a girlfriend. And all of the trial and error and loneliness has now begun to get to him. Unfortunately this is just a rinse and repeat process of going down a dark spiral. by stop caring he can't get a girlfriend, and being happy with himself. Once his self confidence kicks…
/r/seduction10/02/22 05:34 PM
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He clearly comes across as desperate just in his replies! I can't imaging how he acts in real life on dates he's interested in. I don't think reddit behavior necessarily reflects IRL behavior. All this ranting I do online does not carry over either. So I don't think that could be a fair assumption to make. And how come they don't have this "intuition" to pick up on whether a guy is a wife beater or not? Honest question btw is a way to consciously subdue your emotional attachment to the outcomes …
/r/seduction10/02/22 04:27 PM
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Sounds ridiculous, you're saying they have some sort of special ability to detect how "desperate" you are? What happened to "fake it until you make it", or is that also bs as well?
/r/seduction10/02/22 04:17 PM
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How does anyone even get in these situations, and what's a sub? Lol does OP have to join the porno industry just to get laid?
/r/seduction10/02/22 05:47 AM
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a sub, fluffing massage etc What does any of this even mean?
/r/seduction10/02/22 05:24 AM
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So if he suddenly becomes not desperate, a girl will fall on his lap?
/r/seduction10/02/22 05:24 AM
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Pretty soon they'll be chasing you. Loooool
/r/seduction10/02/22 05:17 AM
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Girl turns to me and says " I'd fuck your brains out, those glasses are just killing me" Yeah not everyone is good looking like you unfortunately, so those kinds of "quotes" aren't exactly common.
/r/seduction10/02/22 05:14 AM
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What's doublelist?
/r/seduction09/02/22 10:06 PM
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Yeah, I'm kind of stuck on that as well
/r/seduction09/02/22 09:47 PM
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There's plenty of people that aren't successful but have great dating lives. Yep, prime example are some of my friends
/r/seduction08/02/22 03:38 PM
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Yeah, telling me to wait 16 years just to find a date or a gf doesn't seem very optimistic now does it? You want me to start dating at the same age I'll probably need to start using viagra just to get it up? Lol
/r/seduction07/02/22 04:51 AM
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40 is not old? Loooool If you believe that then I want whatever you're smoking. By 40 most people already have kids, raised a family/are in the process of raising one and will soon become grandparents within another 10 years. And you're suggesting that's an appropriate age to start? No, if you don't land something by then it's over. Unless you want to find some single mom or unattractive woman at that age (I know I wouldn't). I wouldn't even see the point, dating is the most fun when people are …
/r/seduction07/02/22 04:38 AM
2

So miss out even more years on this? Oof, I'll be 40 and limping by the time I check off every box women will require from me. What would even be the point by then?
/r/seduction07/02/22 04:32 AM
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Sorry but that competition doesnt go away when you cold approach What do you suggest then? If a guy doesn't have any luck in bars, clubs, or OLD what should he do?
/r/seduction07/02/22 04:23 AM
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Bars: 1. Not everyone that goes there is a woman 2. A bunch are in groups (if with guys, can't really approach them, if with other girl friends then they might be overprotective of her and not allow her to meet the guy) 3. Single women (at least my age) rarely go to bars Night clubs: 1. Can't see or hear anything, you'd have to be a really good looking guy (and tall) to stand out. 2. A bunch go here with their boyfriends or other gal friends and simply "push away"/aren't open to meeting stranger…
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:56 AM
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Seems like a pretty limited dating pool then if those are the only options being presented
/r/seduction06/02/22 11:58 PM
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By style i had meant like hairstyle. I fix up my hair every couple 2-3 weeks, sometimes I clean shave or fix up my facial hair Just know regardless, its A TONNE of rejection. Yeah I know, I've already received that TONNE of rejection. Itll be an advantage for when you want to get serious with this stuff I don't know what this means, but this is something I've been "serious" about for years now. I don't plan on wasting away my remaining youth without a partner and celibate just ticking off boxes …
/r/seduction04/02/22 05:56 PM
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Get style, hit the gym, improve fashion. Style: I'm assuming this means the same as fashion. I think I already dress nice, I probably already spent too much on dress shirts, graphic/white/black tees, nice jeans, denim/leather jackets, watch, rings, and colognes (recently bought a new one). Not really sure I can improve much there. Gym: Recently started going, already play sports and physical hobbies on weekends But I don't think that's enough to put me as "above average". Maybe when I go out dre…
/r/seduction04/02/22 03:18 AM
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some ugly over aged creepy guy said, you smell good... Lol btw I am ugly myself (not old still young (24), and never told anyone they smell good though). Would that put me in that category of the "bad guys"?
/r/seduction04/02/22 01:44 AM
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Lol I mean I'm pretty sure some of them might not be lying, but it would definitely seem a bit baffling to me that they get approached randomly by dozens of guys at a time. I've never witnessed this myself, but again that's just my personal observation.
/r/seduction03/02/22 10:13 PM
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they get hit on/approached all the time. that girls get hit on all the time, especially the hot ones. See, I keep getting this conflicting things told. Other places I'm told that they don't get approached often because everyone thinks they're taken or something along those lines. And now here you say they get pretty much swarmed by guys and are even uncomfortable about it. Seems strange
/r/seduction03/02/22 09:10 PM
1

So a simple "hey/you come here often?/what's your mile time (after treadmill run)" Probably won't cut it?
/r/seduction03/02/22 07:59 PM
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Yeah I definitely want to be open to the having the gals at my gym as options, but I don't want to be seen as creepy or be reported like the guy above me suggested.
/r/seduction03/02/22 07:21 PM
1

Has this happened to you?
/r/seduction03/02/22 06:44 PM
1

Yeah
/r/seduction02/02/22 07:48 PM
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and give them your phone. Lol you sure it won't get stolen? 😅 And you're telling me this has worked for you? I thought something had to come before that (at least some sort of mutual agreement/eye contact/small talk had to happen beforehand). Don't I have to have a certain level of looks to be able to successfully pull this off? I'll give it a try a couple times next time I go to one
/r/seduction02/02/22 07:22 PM
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How many times did you ask girls for their phone number or for a date in the last 30 days? Zero, I haven't approached since a couple months back. I got tired of the constant rejection so I took a break. I was still on the apps until a couple weeks ago, then I also deleted them as well since I didn't get any luck on those either.
/r/seduction02/02/22 06:53 PM
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I have had guys approach me out of the blue many times. To be totally honest, I’ve never really receptive to someone approaching me to ask for my number or to compliment me That's unfortunate for me, right now that and dating apps are the only way I have of meeting people (at least trying to meet people). I haven't gone to a "house party" in a long time and I don't think my friends know anyone (I don't want to ask them if they know someone, that'll just make me look desperate). I know a lot of w…
/r/seduction02/02/22 06:45 PM
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What do you think is going wrong in your interactions? I'm assuming it's my looks/height, since I've never been able to land a date 🤷‍♂️ I hope to prove myself wrong on this soon though, I graduated college recently so now I have to look through different avenues to seeing women my age that seem approachable (seems way more difficult now).
/r/seduction02/02/22 06:15 PM
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I’ve also not been physically attracted to guys and then get to chatting How was the chatting stage reached? Did they just approach you out of the blue? Where? Looks are subjective I understand there's room for subjectiveness, but overall isn't there also some objectiveness to looks as well?
/r/seduction02/02/22 05:50 PM
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Hmmm I see. Well I guess I'll try this line a couple times when I go out, I'm assuming this one would only work on some occasions.
/r/seduction02/02/22 05:42 PM
1

things like that take work and complimenting a girl on that means a lot to them. Is there a fine line on the clothing part at all? I feel like it might be seen as creepy if you compliment a woman on her sundress she's wearing or skirt or blouse. I wouldn't know though, I've never given any remarks about these.
/r/seduction02/02/22 05:29 AM
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on something specific to the girl. Like what? Her hair? An outfit she's wearing?
/r/seduction02/02/22 05:19 AM
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You're telling me that it I use the line: “I just saw you and thought you looked cute” That it would actually work? Don't I have to be handsome to begin with for this to work though?
/r/seduction02/02/22 04:52 AM
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Hmmm I guess I'm just the one with terrible luck then
/r/seduction02/02/22 04:43 AM
5

Very rarely does a girl get offended You sure about this?
/r/seduction02/02/22 04:30 AM
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Because this seems like ridiculously basic things. You think everyone here doesn't shower or tries to smell nice.
/r/seduction31/01/22 07:50 PM
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I don't think so, the guy would also need to have a certain level of good looks. I kind of doubt you'd be attracted to every guy that dressed nicely and puts on cologne.
/r/seduction31/01/22 07:48 PM
1

What?
/r/seduction31/01/22 06:27 PM
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Whatever underlying reasons you feel are why women don't check you out, There is no underlying reason, I'm just not women's preference. I don't think there's anything wrong with admitting that. If women looked at me I would have either been told by now on numerous occasions by friends or I would have noticed it one way or another. When you EXPECT people to be checking you out because you know you're a high value MFer and accept and fulfill that role I don't ever expect anyone to be checking me o…
/r/seduction31/01/22 06:24 PM
1

I cant imagine police would take this seriously. Well I would assume it is something along the lines of a false accusation, because simply having a conversation isn't illegal
/r/seduction31/01/22 09:49 AM
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Having a fucking conversation with another human being in public? I suppose that's what those guys got reported for 🤷‍♂️
/r/seduction31/01/22 09:42 AM
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Be like okay bye. Or just say ok and walk away. I will definitely say this in my next rejections
/r/seduction31/01/22 09:41 AM
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I don't know what the hell you're talking about in that first paragraph, I don't condone incest or wish to partake in any of that. If you’re too busy looking for romantic interest you won’t find it, you have to just look out on the horizon without judgement and let it stick out at you So you're telling me to not look for romance and I'll find it? But then right after you say "look out the horizon without judgment", which I'm assuming means I should try to find romance certain degree? You keep sp…
/r/seduction31/01/22 07:12 AM
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Maybe it happens to other guys (not all) I can accept that, but it definitely doesn't happen to me is all I'm saying which isn't wrong I don't think. Bro, you're killing the vibe Lol sorry 😆
/r/seduction31/01/22 04:30 AM
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Doesn't that come off as sort of desperate or needy though, I've been told to never ask for "feedback". And wouldn't they mostly not give it to me anyway and would just lie to me to let me off "nicely"? Like: "I have a boyfriend", "you're not my type", or something along those lines? Wouldn't exactly be too helpful.
/r/seduction31/01/22 04:21 AM
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Dude you sound like you have low self esteem straight up. Not really, what makes you say that? Don’t apologize don’t keep track of rejections just go out talk with people and be genuine but be courteous I don't keep track of each one per say, but I don't really have to since I've never had a single success story. Hence all have been rejections. I apologize most of the time since I was basically taking their time while they could have been doing something else. Scarcity mindset meaning wow this d…
/r/seduction31/01/22 04:16 AM
2

You've gotten eye contact before? For how long?
/r/seduction31/01/22 04:06 AM
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Yeah, I don't keep beating around after I get told to piss off. I just apologize and leave them alone. If there's something I've gotten really good at these past years is apologizing though, 100% rejection, 0 dates, and 90% apologizing lol it’s that scarcity mindset What does this mean exactly? Like I'm supposed to make myself believe I have a lot of options...even though I have none?
/r/seduction31/01/22 04:05 AM
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U.S.A., and those guys that were reported I belive were from the U.K.
/r/seduction31/01/22 04:00 AM
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What? Lol I've personally received public humiliation after approaching, however I've known people that were reported to LE for coming off as "a creep". I consider myself fortunate that I haven't gone through what those guys went through, I can't imagine being looked at as so undesirable that you were reported to the police for a simple small talk lol
/r/seduction31/01/22 03:59 AM
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what’s the worst that can happen you get rejected? Public humiliation or trouble with law enforcement
/r/seduction31/01/22 03:55 AM
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But yes there are women checking you out. No, I actively scan the room and I can guarantee no one is checking me out. People have eyes and it's not really hard seeing where their eyes wonder off by looking at a mirror or glass reflection or quickly turning. Maybe not everyone checks people out all the time, some just mind their own business. Once you look at the numbers, you'll see that there's a very low chance you're getting checked out.
/r/seduction31/01/22 03:40 AM
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That doesn't really answer my question. You're saying everytime I go out (doesn't matter where), there's some woman checking me out? Lol this is highly improbable unless I was a Calvin Klein model, most women I see when I go anywhere from bar to club to mall is literally just minding their own business. I guess I'm the exception 🤷‍♂️
/r/seduction31/01/22 03:33 AM
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Then why are you here? Lol
/r/seduction31/01/22 02:49 AM
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but the girls you are not attracted to are actually checking you out and interested in you How would you know this exactly?
/r/seduction31/01/22 02:40 AM
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Always something bad that happens on valentines day, I personally dislike this "holiday"
/r/seduction30/01/22 08:59 PM
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From the beginning
/r/seduction30/01/22 08:14 PM
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Yep, looks are always the biggest first impression no matter what. Personality and everything else comes after that.
/r/seduction27/01/22 09:41 PM
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Difference is you're actually good looking. Can't say this will work for every other guy.
/r/seduction27/01/22 08:33 PM
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I mean I make a pretty decent living in the upper middle class. But I'm nowhere near rich, I'm not exactly the most popular of my friends circle so...I guess it's over lol
/r/seduction27/01/22 07:50 PM
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Is every guy that's short/unattractive just shit out of luck then?
/r/seduction27/01/22 07:46 PM
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But the majority of women do not want men approaching them just because you are attracted to them. This is what I keep thinking but everyone else calls it nonsense. There are arenas for dating, stick to those spaces, let women live their lives. You mean bars or clubs? You can use your same argument and say women don't want to be approached in those "arenas" either, "let them live their lives". So what "arenas" according to you are appropriate to approach a woman? Bear in mind couples have met af…
/r/seduction26/01/22 08:41 AM
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So is your answer to just not approach anyone anymore?
/r/seduction26/01/22 08:15 AM
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or make a joke with you in public, ever? Definitely never hey were did you get that jacket Honestly something along these lines might have happened so long ago but I probably don't remember because it was very inconsequential (maybe something a barista/restaurant server told me but its part of their job to be nice and have you come back to their business). I would be able to recognize all of these things because everything you mentioned actually happens to my friends (who are better looking than…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 06:48 PM
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Lol yeah nope, I guess I'm definitely below average then. I've never had anything even remotely close to that happening to me. I can safely say, I've never been approached. At least that question is out of my consciousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 06:14 PM
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I see, I misread that. So what would an "approach" or "cue" look like from a woman which isn't "strictly business"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 06:00 PM
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out in public is an approach from a woman Is it really though? Maybe you're the only guy around and she simply needs a bit of directions on getting to her destination.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 05:58 PM
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