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bala-key/r/askMRP16/12/15 03:51 PM
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she continuously attack’s what I do. And you continuously give a fuck about what she says.
/r/askMRP12/03/18 06:15 AM
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Given what you write about your frame, you should add being a fun person to be with to your goals.
/r/MarriedRedPill26/02/18 10:22 PM
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MRP is truly great. But if you go against SSRI-s, that's just Nightmare Difficulty.
/r/MarriedRedPill26/02/18 09:25 PM
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Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/18 04:26 PM
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These numbers sound interesting. Do you have a link?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/18 02:45 PM
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Gottman figured out what successful couples do and then assumes that teaching not successful couples how to do that will help them to be successful. This is textbook survivorship bias.
/r/MarriedRedPill23/02/18 06:53 PM
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This is like Diablo 2 on hard core. If you fuck up, you don't spawn back in town, you spawn masturbating in the shower, or divorce court. Dat line...
/r/askMRP23/01/18 06:59 PM
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You might be depressed. Get the T test done somehow.
/r/askMRP18/01/18 04:15 PM
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My wife’s “love language” is gifts. Watch out for this guy then. He has mad gift game. It works wonders. How many blowjobs are we talking about? This is the beta way.
/r/askMRP17/01/18 09:03 AM
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Quality analysis. Let's hope it's enough for OP to finally wake up.
/r/askMRP15/01/18 12:28 PM
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For a basic body fat estimate you can use the navy method.
/r/MarriedRedPill09/01/18 06:38 AM
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It's harder than normal to maintain sexual attraction long term when the gender roles are swapped.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/17 09:09 AM
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The roughly 150 year old idea of building a life long relationship on top of romantic love is idiotic. It never worked on a large scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 12:08 PM
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Yeah. This.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 03:09 PM
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My therapist says nothing is certain, but my wife has likely moved on long ago and that I should focus on being ok while making my life in a new direction. Yep. She tells me that if I fix myself that I may find that I don’t want my wife any longer. Exactly.
/r/MarriedRedPill20/11/17 12:48 PM
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Solid FR.
/r/MarriedRedPill19/11/17 02:40 PM
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Set a timer on her, and if it dings and you're still not satisfied, bounce. This.
/r/MarriedRedPill18/11/17 09:04 AM
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They may be with women who aren't overly attractive, but they themselves have dad bods and are pretty unattractive as well. How many have a satisfying sex life do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 12:43 PM
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Focus on habits instead of goals.
/r/askMRP13/11/17 12:41 PM
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Part of that is your hurt ego. Eventually you'll learn to control it if you stay on this path. It's a problem right now, but it's ultimately under your control. Part of it is your wife. She saw you weak and did what women do in that scenario. Can you earn her respect back? That's partially up to you but there are no guarantees. The real work will be building yourself into a valuable man. That's going to take you more than a year. Do you divorce her in the meantime? Up to you. The amount of work …
/r/askMRP08/11/17 04:03 PM
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What do you want?
/r/askMRP08/11/17 03:21 PM
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This. Rule #38. I actually enjoy playing the SJW in work conversations.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 02:30 PM
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Not outside of prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 07:18 AM
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Depends. Are you an attractive enough dude to pull it off?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 07:15 AM
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At some point, doesn't the fact that women are horrid, despicable creatures bother you? Sounds like an excuse to paint yourself as the victim of an unjust world and jerk off at home. There is a difference between "my cheeseburger is not at all what's pictured in the ads" vs "cheeseburgers are nuclear poison".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 06:55 AM
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Also: both reds and blues dislike low effort posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 06:47 AM
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Depends. Does it manifest in higher status or does it come with autism?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 06:46 AM
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Not all bottom line dating tips of red pill are completly useless, what I detest is their general attitude towards women. That's a tone policing / moralizing argument that reds won't care about. They focus on whether stuff works not who gets upset. I also didn't really have any other blues criticise what I said in this threat so it doesn't seem like they have any major issues with my oppinion. Blues here have a much higher tolerance for the idea of gender differences in behavior. (IME they are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 02:34 PM
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Yeah, with low self esteem you'll have to play things a bit different, I think. Less cocky and funny and more comfort. You probably need to be her coach.
/r/askMRP06/11/17 02:28 PM
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She's anxious. She feels out of control. If she has low self esteem in general this can be a big problem. You might have fried her hamster with too many changes too fast. Have you shared a clear vision for the future and her role in it? Does she have low self esteem in general?
/r/askMRP06/11/17 11:40 AM
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What the fuck is kill the puppy? https://therationalmale.com/2016/10/24/please-breakup-with-me/
/r/askMRP06/11/17 11:34 AM
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On a large scale nobody gives a shit about male suffering and male weakness. Not women, not men. Also, in the context of sexual strategy appealing to pity is a losing proposition for men. Sympathy won't get them laid. Strength will.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 11:28 AM
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Religiously and socially enforced monogamy made sure that even unattractive men could reproduce. (This was not true throughout our evolutionary history.) And talking openly about several aspects of female attraction is not okay, because it might show women in a bad light. We can't have that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 11:22 AM
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This is at least purple pill dating advice. I think it already admits so many gender differences that if you tried to push it in the mainstream, people would find it sexist and 'problematic'. Also you conflate PUAs who mimicked the traits of a high value man for short term relationships whereas the red pill approach is to actually raise your SMV (being fit, having interesting hobbies, strong skills, true abundance mentality and a social circle). What you call 'familiarity' Is called 'rapport' in…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 06:43 AM
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No. It will bump "red pill on hard mode" into nightmare mode.
/r/askMRP02/11/17 05:13 PM
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Low sex marriage. Tried the RP way. Getting laid now.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 09:35 PM
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Any way they want. Why does it matter? If you want to have an informed opinion so you can criticise RP on PPD for example, read the sidebar material.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/17 06:00 PM
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Where are the succesful handsome RP men appearing on TV to spread the word about the TRUTH behind women? Can you guess what would happen to a person who did that publicly? failed to catch on beyond a few thousand redditors and anonymous manospherians There is two distinct things here. One is the knowledge. It's been around since forever. It wasn't called 'the red pill'. It was just an understanding how women are. Have you ever seen a Humphrey Bogart movie? Even the old Harrison Ford movies would…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 06:04 PM
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Exactly. Morality is coming from society that surrounds you. If you're a gay person in Iran should you care that that you're being judged as 'immoral'? How much?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 05:27 PM
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I’ve read this story before, months ago. I also remembered this story. But couldn't find the previous post.
/r/askMRP23/10/17 05:19 PM
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The Extreme Ownership book is very good. The new one I haven't finished yet. But it talks more about discipline and motivation.
/r/askMRP23/10/17 05:17 PM
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I don't represent RP. To me, hypergamy is amoral. It's biology. I most likely wouldn't be here today if my ancestors didn't act on it. Why is it so absurd for RP male strategy to be viewed as immoral? Of course you can see it as immoral. It's pretty promiscuous. That's already a deadly sin in many parts of the world. The question is, why should an RP man care that some people find his approach immoral? You think that people on /r/adultery care that some people find their approach to getting sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 05:16 PM
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she will call me out for being intentionally manipulative. Ohnoes! That would be awful. She would say mean things to you! Obviously we wouldn't want that! Dude, how do you pass any shit tests if you are this sensitive? You come off as insecure. She knows already just how insecure you are. And that you can't enforce boundaries. You told her not to hang out with this guy then you instantly backed off like a pussy. She knows that this bothers you. I bet that she enjoys the drama. It's just like Twi…
/r/askMRP23/10/17 05:05 PM
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Jocko Willink books and podcasts.
/r/askMRP23/10/17 04:53 PM
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My first real exposure to (watered down) RP concepts was through the Athol Kay books. He specifically gave advice for fixing marriages. Being self confident, fun and buff and not pedestalizing women will make you more attractive to most women. Including the mother of your children.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 12:41 PM
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A lot of the stuff you learned here can help getting through this. Own your shit. Don't let the victim mentality take over you. Have a plan. Take action.
/r/MarriedRedPill23/10/17 12:26 PM
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RPers claim female dual strategy (BB/AF) is immoral. "It's not the crime, it's the cover up." I'm not sure who explicitly claims it's 'immoral'. It's biology. It's like a snake biting you. But society doesn't try to deny or cover up with feel good propaganda that snakes bite. That's why AF/BB gets talked about so much in RP circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 11:53 AM
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The gist of the issue that martyrdom, self sacrificial behavior, putting other people's needs ahead of yours doesn't help you with sexual attraction. You actually do need some level of aggression to generate tingles. You don't need to be Ted Bundy but you can't be a doormat either. Once the attraction is there, then you can be generous. If Ryan Gosling holds the door for a woman, he's sweet and cute. But Beta Billy from accounting holding the door doesn't get him any closer to getting laid. (Wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 11:31 AM
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You working out can make people uncomfortable around you. Male or female. It's crab bucket mentality. It forces them to re-examine their own choices and standards. People don't like that so they try to shame you back into your box. But you know better than to give a fuck.
/r/askMRP23/10/17 08:47 AM
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It's impossible to tell reading your side of the story how autistic you got during that conversation. She obviously had a subtext that you failed to read and she got frustrated. That's completely normal. I do recommend that you read up on what presence is. Improving it can help you be successful with other people too, not just your wife.
/r/askMRP21/10/17 05:02 PM
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We can't decide for you if your wife is worth it. What do you want? Date younger women? Spin plates? Be left alone?
/r/askMRP21/10/17 01:39 PM
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Dude. It's simple. You don't marry a person who cheated on you.
/r/askMRP20/10/17 02:34 PM
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This. I never understood how they hope to stand up to IRL shit testing if strangers saying mean things on the internet can hurt their fee fees.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 12:50 PM
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"You are the prize."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 12:47 PM
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she cheated on me a few times I the past Nope. She is not the one.
/r/askMRP20/10/17 11:45 AM
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She comes back Monday while I'm at work and brings it up again. I text her back saying I won't entertain it one bit. She gives me the silent treatment for 2 days, I use the Bratty Little Sister defense. "You're so cute when you're angry," laugh her off, etc. Go lift, etc. She starts showing cracks in the armor this morning, actually speaking first. Starts texting me about an event we are planning this weekend at our house. I tell her to cancel it since we aren't communicating so can't plan/host …
/r/askMRP19/10/17 04:07 PM
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So is porn. Porn, as primitive as it is today already has effects on a societal level. And they are just moving images on a 2D screen. Not hard to imagine that once these "masturbation aids" are fully interactive and fairly sophisticated, they will cause shifts in dating and relationships at a very large scale. Duty sex? Prostitution? Low sex marriages? These affect many millions of people and high quality sex bots will change them in a big way. This will happen in our lifetime and not all of it…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 07:45 AM
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This.
/r/askMRP19/10/17 07:35 AM
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she is unwilling to move on this issue. What does that mean exactly? I don't fully grasp what exactly you plan to do in that one year. The arrival of a child will fully disrupt your life (for both of you) in any case. If making this decision is somehow a big power play for you, that's probably stupid.
/r/askMRP18/10/17 07:41 PM
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I never understood PPD's fascination with MBTI. It's pretty ridiculous IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 06:34 PM
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Some of my best friends are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 04:21 PM
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I said lets just pick a place in 2 days and go. You should pick the place. She gives me the "its not you, its me" story and says I'm everything she wants but she just isn't attracted to me anymore. I bet her other prospect resurfaced. There's a chance that they took it to the next level. In her mind she already did the branch swing. When women turn to overt communication -- and she told you explicitly that she is not attracted to you -- that's the the final stage. I know this is going to be very…
/r/askMRP18/10/17 01:19 PM
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You can talk about red pill stuff worded differently and people will easily agree. Otherwise Law 38: Think as you like, but behave like the others.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 10:14 PM
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But on the other hand in real world we are only one guy. there are many other men who has same or higher SMV than us. Also, even we have high SMV or the best than the rest, there is no guarantee that things will not go south even the other guy has lot less smv than us. You sound insecure. Setting firm boundaries is the key to this. You make it clear to her what the rules are. Say coming home at 4AM blackout drunk from girls night out is not okay. "My girl / wife doesn't do that." No discussion. …
/r/askMRP17/10/17 05:07 PM
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Y'all motherfuckers need stoicism. Worry about things that are under your control. but lets not try to pretend that the harder you work at it, the better your chances. DYEL? How many approaches did you make last month? What specific steps did you take to improve yourself? You've been dealt a hand of cards. You can whine about them on the internet or get to work and make the most of them. The universe won't give a fuck either way. That's one thing. The other is that this whiny victim mindset is b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 04:51 PM
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Treat women like children when they act like children.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 11:53 AM
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I had a buddy who had a girl like yours. He noticed her lying unnecessarily about small things. He didn't get upset too much, because they were small and she fucked him. Years down the road it turned out she was also lying about the big things and cheating on him. They divorced a few months into their marriage after a 7 year relationship. If a woman is a compulsive liar you can't build a serious relationship with her. If you want to have a family you'll need someone that you can trust on some le…
/r/askMRP17/10/17 11:49 AM
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There are white lies and there is compulsive lying. Your woman sounds like she is in the second category.
/r/askMRP17/10/17 11:14 AM
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I'm positively surprised by the number of thoughtful replies to a low effort post like this. There might be hope for PPD! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 09:23 AM
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She lies over small things and medium things because she's scared to get me mad. You can't build a functional relationship or a family with a person like this. Not LTR material.
/r/askMRP17/10/17 06:27 AM
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Impossible to get hard data on this. But very likely much higher than society and admits. (Leaks from online services are a good indicator.) Also the rate of cheating is increasing. It gets easier to cheat thanks to technology. Society judges people (or at least women) less harshly for it and your social circles don't even have to know about it, since you can easily find affair partners online. In my close social circle, I'd say 30-50% of the people either cheated or were cheated on at some poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 08:05 PM
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I'm genuinely interested why you thought otherwise btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 03:39 PM
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PUA was originally about men catering to women, and seducing women. You kids. smh. Where do you get this from? PUA started out with the realization that what women say they want and what they actually respond to are not the same. Here's Ross Jeffries early PUA pioneer from 1992 in a TV show. And yes, people hated and shamed PUAs from the get go. Just like they do with TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 03:12 PM
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The Shit Test Encyclopedia
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 08:34 AM
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There is no perfect formula Nirvana fallacy. You can be less wrong choosing your approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 05:11 AM
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Trp doesn't really account for "successful" "blue pill" Relationships because that could be detrimental to their strategy. They assume men want polygyny and some men don't, surprisingly That's a big reason why /r/marriedredpill exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 06:40 PM
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What would make TRP advice uniquely effective is the guys putting in the work and following it. Lift, read the fucking material, leave the fucking house and put yourself out there. Too much work. It's easier to whine about the shitty cards you've been dealt and play victim. “Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder, but nobody wants to lift no heavy-ass weights.”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 06:25 PM
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It's not women's job to 'escape' this. This is a fucked up, self sabotaging mentality in the male mind. E.g. there will be guys who will stop having (non-boring) sex with their women after they give birth, because they "can't do that to the mother of their children". While they jerk off to nasty porn or visit prostitutes to get their fix. It's a thing and it's fucked up. Women can notice this mentality btw and if they sense it, they will be reluctant to open up sexually to the guy for fear of lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 02:22 PM
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I don't know what she values when it comes to time spent together. You should strive for being awesome regardless of her judgement. She just doesn't value you the way you want her to. I sense a validation seeking attitude seeping through your facade. You should work on this.
/r/askMRP13/10/17 01:51 PM
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Are you really angry at them or angry at yourself? You have to process this somehow, because you'll be spending the rest of your life among people who see the world differently from you. You're going to have learn to nod and smile and keep your mouth shut. Focus on yourself. Read '48 Laws of Power'. Read 'How to win friends and influence people'. Learn to not be an unpleasant ball of anger around people because you can easily sabotage your life (private AND professional) that way. Use your anger…
/r/askMRP13/10/17 12:19 PM
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IMO old school PUA died because everything is online now. To simplify: Tinder and similar services further amplified the asymmetries in the sexual marketplace. do you see the communities eventually dying down? Growing larger? Clay Shirky calls what we have today "ridiculously easy group formation". Never before in the history of mankind was it this easy to find and join a group of like minded people. The issue of dead bedrooms and men struggling with relationships won't go away (until the sex ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 09:42 AM
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I don't deserve this. I don't deserve Sally. There is a chance that it works out and she's a high quality woman. Make sure you keep working on yourself and don't fuck up too hard. You're still weak mentally, but you can improve. Just like you improved physically. It takes time and focus. And in your case maybe counseling. And there is a chance that she'll dump / disappoint you after she sees you being weak or she simply gets bored. That's okay. Your mission stays the same. Your mission is you. E…
/r/askMRP13/10/17 08:36 AM
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Married red. Mine: 230k Hers: 0 She should work. It's safer in case sth happens to me (or the business I'm in) and also for her mental health. But she doesn't have to. We're lucky to have the option. I think it was good for the kids to have a full time mom. Working part time might also have been a good compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 07:14 PM
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I'm 6', 21% BF and 205lbs, what you guys call skinny fat or maybe just fat. Squat is 200lbs, bench is 140lbs. That's just fat. I was surprised at how OK I was with all this That's important. She can sniff it out when you're afraid.
/r/askMRP12/10/17 09:48 AM
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This mentality is a much bigger problem than "high cheekbones".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 08:42 AM
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I think Johnny Depp is an example of a "natural" who could have benefited greatly from some theoretical knowledge before shooting himself in the foot with some of the most clueless idiot-mode bluepill crap that you can do as a man (pedestalization, hardcore oneitis, love poems!!!) Many "naturals" don't understand why things 'just work' for them, and why things stop working. Because of this, they also can't teach other men. They get confused and crumble when things go south.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 08:32 AM
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name calling in public, having a hysterical fit leading to shouting for an hour with loads and loads of nonsensical accusations (not only about me but any people close to me like my friends and parents and relatives). Sounds like either you managed to fry her hamster or she's cluster B. I am wondering if your wife keeps escalating to the point where she won't stop till she has you engaged in an argument Did this tactic work for her in the past? If yes, she'll keep using it. Or have I married cra…
/r/askMRP11/10/17 07:51 PM
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Successful men are brash, confident, assertive and don't take no for an answer. Be like them, and you will be attractive. Just like public speaking or salesmanship you can acquire these skills through training. Dead simple example: approach a hundreds of times, chat up people (all kinds of people) to get over your fear of rejection. You'll numb yourself to this fear. It won't affect you any more. Do this and you'll be objectively more confident. You don't have to speculate about it on an interne…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 05:19 PM
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The author mentions that it is a good idea to share this book with your LTR No.
/r/askMRP08/10/17 12:14 PM
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He's her superior. His relative social status automatically generates tingles. He could take her to Burger King and it would work. Dude, there are so many red flags, it's unreal. She outearns you. You have the feminine role at home. She's going on regular dates with a superior. She doesn't fuck you. You are practically separated. This is over. But the sad part is that your mindset is just so far from internalizing reality. You're grasping at straws. My guess is that this is going to blow up soon…
/r/MarriedRedPill06/10/17 12:33 PM
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They have these meetings at pretty fancy restaurants in Manhattan (wine, big steak dinners for 2). Chatting business but probably also life. The name for that is a 'date'. we’re basically separated but living together Time to make peace with the fact that it's over.
/r/MarriedRedPill06/10/17 04:20 AM
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10/10 FR. Would read again.
/r/MarriedRedPill04/10/17 08:59 PM
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The fact that you're looking for validation from her is obvious from your post. This will probably get better over time as you stay the course. The thing is that she can probably smell it on you. Once you reach zero-fucks-given level that will change in a big way.
/r/MarriedRedPill04/10/17 07:29 AM
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My ideal is an LTR with a decent woman, not a soft harem. Also, you wouldn't be able to find out that I'm a red piller if you met me IRL. Other than lifting and putting a bit more effort into my clothing than my peers I carry no external signs of the RP caricature dude as often portrayed on PPD. A.k.a. someone you trust is one of us. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/17 09:07 AM
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Do you think having kids is morally good, neutral, or bad(even evil)? Society is currently structured in a way that it would collapse if a large enough percentage of people decided that they want to be childless. It's a sacrifice because having children is a huge financial and time commitment. But the expectation that most people will make that sacrifice is built into the system. Are kids an extension of their parents? Always part of their parents, owned by their parents, or in debt to their par…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 11:58 AM
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There will be a point in the future, where the bots are sophisticated enough to change the dynamics of the sexual marketplace. I predict that we'll see this in our lifetimes. E.g. the supply/demand on FutureTinder 20XX might not be as skewed as it is today.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 10:30 AM
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Historically, this was solved by prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 10:25 AM
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Once again, PPD asks women for their stated preferences. smh
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 06:04 PM
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What version of the red pill are you? MRP. I'm married. I'm classical liberal. 'Traditionalist' is not a label I would use for myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 12:48 PM
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Victim mentality including tactical tears Blame shifting, avoiding accountability at all cost Gold digging Gaslighting Gosipping and using group dynamics to undermine each other while holding up friendly appearances Using sexual manipulation to achieve goals Emotional impulsiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 05:48 PM
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My favorites: Blue pill dating strategies are red pill on "idiot mode" [link] Why Red Pill advice as a package is unique and uniquely effective [link] What AWALT actually means and why it's useful [link]
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 05:05 PM
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Divorce is not "traditional". /r/deadbedrooms is full of people who are incapable of enforcing boundaries when it comes to sex and a minimum level of respect. The quoted guy sounds like he had very high standards, he better have the goods to back that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 07:48 AM
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the impetus behind staying is willful commitment Traditionally there were tons of legal hurdles and shaming from family and society.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 05:59 AM
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"Women are utterly incapable of loving a man in the way that a man expects to be loved." It's a rude awakening for men to realize how conditional and opportunistic female love is. Lose your health, your money or maybe just bore her too much and it can very quickly fade. For the millions of men who are prone to oneitis and pedestalizing their women it's an even bigger shock. A related difference is the burden of performance. Men have to keep performing for their women. From my lifetime favorite r…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 08:50 PM
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kabillions o fmen throughout history lost their virginity to prostitutes, its been the NORM forever Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 07:44 PM
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If you are a virgin it can decrease your anxiety about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 06:01 PM
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My anecdata. I know plenty of non-Chad 30+ guys who found girlfriends and even future wives online. (I think only one of them used Tinder.) It took them months, but I'm not sure that it was way more efficient (and less anxiety inducing) for them than cold approaching women randomly. (Not exactly PUA dudes.) Hookups are tricky. I don't think they could have pulled that off. But LTR / potential marriage stuff is doable in this demographic. Busy, well paid professionals, maybe after a breakup or ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 03:07 PM
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Because that list, in totality, is the supreme expression of 'othering'. The idea that male humans and female humans are so fundamentally different that they have to be separated into two opposed camps and no one is allowed to stray from their camps. You can't love a person that you don't think is a person. Despite rhetoric like this, with a very few exceptions, women can't really handle when they are treated equally to men. They are too sensitive for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 06:43 PM
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It's your responsibility to lead her. That includes her personal growth.
/r/MarriedRedPill10/07/17 04:31 PM
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I can understand the male want to have many willing, young partners who desire him sexuality without qualifications. But I think this an example of where descriptive RP collides with prescriptive RP. Most men will never command that level of SMV. I actually agree with you here. Getting casual sex on the regular without continued exorbitant effort is unattainable for 90% of men. And probably 95% of the TRP readership. Many men would probably be better served not knowing or thinking about it. Bott…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 04:22 PM
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Yep. This is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 03:10 PM
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And when it does die, HOW exactly does this process take place? Open /r/divorce or /r/deadbedrooms any given week to see plenty of real world examples. If you were to graph the intensity/passion/fire then it just declines linearly, right? There is usually a significant drop in passion / quality at each step of commitment: going exclusive moving in together engagement marriage each kid
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 02:46 PM
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My claim is that if a red piller cares about that, then he's probably a noob.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 01:58 PM
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They're allowing flat out nazi rhetoric at some point, there are multiple examples of that. One key lesson that you learn as a red piller is ignoring shaming tactics like being associated with nazis. ;) Back to your op: How much do you consider yourself a biological determinist? More than the politically correct mainstream. I believe in considerable psychological differences between the genders (e.g. when it comes to sex, mating, emotional impulsiveness, neuroticism, risk taking, work/life balan…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 01:47 PM
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wouldn't you say that fear is legitimate? It's a dangerous tactic, because if you cover up the truth with the intention of not giving ammunition to 'bad people' you give them a very, very powerful weapon: they can state the truth openly while you look bad covering it up and losing credibility. Not even far-leftists believe in the blank slate anymore. It's a spectrum. How much of human behavior is determined by gender and genes. It goes sth like: Blank slate Radfem / hardcore SJW Politically corr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 01:30 PM
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That's the justification yeah. The fear that if you point out gender differences, you'll want to send back women to the kitchen as the next step. But the outcome is that you suppress the uncomfortable truth w.r.t. gender, genes and IQ to protect the comforting lies (the blank slate). Well intentioned? Probably. Misguided? Definitely.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 12:26 PM
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The actual truth about the role biology plays when it comes to sexual behavior and life success is more deterministic than the mainstream politically correct Western narrative, which is basically the "blank slate". It's mostly taboo to talk frankly about gender differences or genetic differences. You can end your scientific career if you do so. I highly recommend Steven Pinker's book: The Blank Slate on this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 10:03 AM
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swallowed the pill 6 months ago. [...] earlier that very night I wrote her a love letter which she loved Dude wat.
/r/askMRP09/07/17 11:33 AM
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Beautiful.
/r/askMRP09/07/17 11:32 AM
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Do you ever feel like some of the bad behavior in TRP reflects badly on the whole, or do you not care or think about it much? I strongly dislike the whining. Playing the victim card will never be effective for men. Horrible mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 10:37 AM
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Because sexually attractive behavior: risk taking, assertiveness, zero-fucks-given attitude, masculine attitude can overlap with asshole-ish behavior for a beta conditioned guy. Even on PPD this confusion comes up on a regular basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 10:28 AM
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^ This. It works even if she knows about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 03:35 PM
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Maybe you have a niche style / look. Kind of like you're more Chevrolet SSR than Honda Accord.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/17 04:52 PM
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Depends on your world view and how you feel about social justice. I know people who are actual socialists and they would probably find it morally wrong to behave like that. To them using your money to gain almost any sort of advantage is 'icky'. E.g. sending your kids to elite schools using your money (to move to good school districts). I'm personally not a socialist. You can declare any kind of dealbreaker you want. Zodiac sign, hair color, skin color, religion, economic status, political view.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/17 04:41 PM
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Why do women think they can tame the wild beast and make him a provider? It's in the female firmware. 'Taming the alpha' is probably THE biggest erotica trope. A.k.a. "the pussy whipped Satan".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/17 01:41 PM
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Feminism, [...] nor has it the power to seriously disrupt anything within society. Wat. Feminism is the standard ideological narrative in the West. It already won.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/17 10:30 AM
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You confuse two things. GAF about getting laid. DGAF about any particular woman. It's called abundance mentality. If you have options there is no reason to overinvest in a specific woman. This eliminates neediness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/17 07:32 AM
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The cock carousel sounded a bit overemphasized for me. Yeah, I know women who rode it, some of them even 'good girls'. It still feels exaggerated as presented on TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 11:12 PM
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I don't have a big enough sample size to generalize. But it does depend on the demographics and things change as people get older. I think for an older dude (late 30s, 40s) who has their shit together (reasonably fit, solid income, not needy, mentally stable, good education, has hobbies) he will have options and he won't have to settle. He will be able to pick from a selection of younger women. He still needs to filter out the damaged ones, but it's a very different dynamic from the early 20s. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 10:37 PM
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Now that women make almost the same as men the notion that "men are gatekeepers of relationships" Is laughable. This only applies to top tier men. I know a couple of single guys on their 30s and 40s who are above average and do have their shit together. May not be top earners but also not burdened with ex wives or kids or dad bods. Their commitment is worth something. I would say that not only their RMV but their SMV is pretty decent. Top 25% easily. But yeah, an average dude's commitment is wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 10:25 PM
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Has PPD changed any of your opinions on TRP and BP? Not yet, but I'm open to the possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 02:32 PM
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Not a bad approach. But a bit trickier to implement with kids.
/r/askMRP04/07/17 11:09 AM
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This is an incel thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 10:55 AM
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Men don't care for the most part. Women care but they won't give a useful answer. Observe who they actually date instead instead of listening to their stated preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 10:52 AM
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Society's solution: porn and video games. Works for tens of millions of undersexed males. For some definition of "works".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 06:43 AM
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Can't parse this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 06:41 AM
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Level headed response.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 05:12 PM
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if anyone is ever interested in an AMA (either here or on TRP/MRP) on the whole "divorce rape" thing, let me know. Do it!
/r/MarriedRedPill03/07/17 01:15 PM
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Tried to fix the dead bedroom with blue pill method for years. Nothing worked. I thought the red pill was crazy, but I was ready to divorce and so I gave /r/marriedredpill a try. I had nothing to lose. A few months in I was already having the most sex of my life. Not going to lie, it was mind blowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 05:42 AM
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If you take a non-redpill person. Where do you think their mental model of social dynamics come from? Double blind studies? Lab experiments?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 07:58 PM
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"All models are wrong. Some are useful." A common justification for RP beliefs is that the collective experiences of the manosphere are evidence for it's truth and effectiveness. You can evaluate RP methods yourself. That's the real proof. Use what works for you, leave the rest. There is no systematic counting of the success/failure ratio. I think you are setting RP to a kind of standard that's unrealistic for dating / sexual strategies. Think about how the typical man gets his knowledge about w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 07:49 PM
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Men, you need to treat women badly or else they become your mother. Nah. Having firm boundaries and not being a doormat isn't treating someone 'badly'.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 11:09 AM
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This was me in my blue pill years: Lonely Island: Diaper Money.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 09:26 AM
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The problem is 'motivated reasoning' as explained here. When you don't want to believe in an idea, you look for any possible reason to reject it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 06:04 AM
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We view them as even more detestable than standard victimizations because the victims are women. Yep, it's part of the male/female double standard in media and literature.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 05:51 AM
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Once again, PPD asks women for their stated preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 05:52 PM
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There are numbers 2011 stats on cohabitation here broken down by country, age and whether they have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 12:40 PM
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Marriage is dying in the West. The US is a bit behind in this trend actually. Among OECD members, about 40% of children are born outside wedlock. Report.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 11:39 AM
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Nope, I have met some women with much higher sex drives than some men. NAXALT. "Are men stronger than women? Nope, I've met some really strong women!"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 10:58 AM
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Do you believe that men have an overall higher sex drive than women do? Yes, because testosterone, common sense and science.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 10:53 AM
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What are women supposed to do? Lie less.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 06:50 AM
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Is it just me or are there more nonsensical threads started on PPD recently? (Compared to say 1 or 2 years ago.)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 05:51 PM
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Q4RP: Why have men (evolutionarily speaking) molded and shaped women to be the way they are? This is the wrong way to think about it. Men and women share the same gene pool. If single mothers are so bad for kids, why do men keep impregnating women they don't want to raise a child with? Because impregnating every female you can (with only a couple of minutes of effort) has been a fairly successful reproduction strategy for many hundreds of thousands of years. Nature doesn't care about the concept…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 08:03 AM
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People are amazing at putting up a front. You have to be really, really close to a couple to learn about their sex lives, infidelities (past and present) etc. I learned too many gut wrenching truths about couples close to me to trust anybody's public image. I don't doubt that truly successful long term relationships exist, but they are like lottery winners. Also: I don't think you know what oneitis means.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 05:01 AM
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5LL is a steaming pile of horseshit. It's transactional and overt. It combines the worst relationship ideas: choreplay, negotiated attraction and covert contracts. Utter, utter garbage.
/r/askMRP28/06/17 08:50 PM
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Another PPD cliche. Males trying to win at victim Olympics. SMH.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/17 06:02 PM
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Shit tests are at least 70% unconscious.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/17 11:42 AM
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Shit testing is basically asking the question: "can you stand up to psychological abuse or are you a poser who folds like a bitch under pressure". The literature sometimes calls them 'congruence tests' or 'fitness tests'. It's an evolved behavior, I'd say at least 70% unconscious. Male groups do it to maintain dominance hierarchies and to see if they can trust the dude with their back in survival situations. It's called 'busting each other's balls'. Females do it because they need to determine i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/17 05:30 AM
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Not giving a fuck about shaming attempts is something every man should cultivate IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/17 07:48 PM
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Beta orbiting is common enough to be a cliche And it's not as much about the gifts, but more about the validation and being an emotional tampon. But IME it's more common among students.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/17 03:27 PM
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I don't understand PPD's fascination with these highly unrealistic scenarios. This was only a few days ago: What if we evened out the playing field so males are given the same sexual/dating opportunities at women? Maybe I don't do enough drugs to appreciate this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/17 03:56 PM
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There is no way of stopping this. Porn is just a preview. VR / robots are coming and a large part of the male population will check out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/17 02:59 PM
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The problem here with the RP idea of SMV is that it permeates and exists throughout the world. The actual market of goods and services is also not globally uniform. Some people are ready to pay thousands of dollars for rhino horns, for others they are worth nothing. It can be TED talk tickets, gold plated AK-47s etc, a night with a high end dominatrix. They do have a market price but not everyone across the globe is ready to pay that specific price.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/17 11:42 AM
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^ True fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/17 11:13 AM
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Women will not have casual sex with a beta guy, but will settle for him if he offers commitment. Let's imagine how this scenario would play out. It plays out every week on /r/deadbedrooms. If you're an average woman and want the social status that comes from having a partner (or specifically a marriage) it's not unlikely that you'll settle for someone. You can solve the 'I have to have sex with an unattractive partner' using a repertoire of shaming techniques (gaslighting, dismissal, deflection …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/17 10:57 AM
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Quality stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 07:22 PM
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She disagrees, escalates, gets louder, repeats herself... Gets hostile. I hold frame, get a little louder but never yell or lose composure, but tell her she's wrong, he's ok. She then barks back that if I ever talk to her like that again she's taking the kids and leaving. She looked for a button to push and found it. If you keep getting pissed about it you're giving her the tool to rile you up any time she wants to.
/r/askMRP25/06/17 01:42 PM
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wouldn't it make more sense for RP-aware men to keep the knowledge to themselves? There are many you don't see who do just like that. Those you do see evolved from the early PUA pioneers who developed their methods by exchanging notes with other like minded guys on the internet. The visible part of RP continues this tradition. In a way, it's like 'open source' software development.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 09:02 AM
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This is the nice guy beta game. The problem is that too many guys play it. Also, while it might get a girlfriend somehow, it's likely that the sex life is going to be shitty or nonexistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 07:19 AM
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PUA stuff aimed at the mass market has toned down language compared to RP (blogs and reddit). Almost completely PC. 'The Natural' and 'Models' go out of their way not to risk showing female behavior in a bad light. Another example is Athol Kay's 'Married Man Sex Life Primer', that wasn't super edgy but he censored his language significantly in 'The Mindful Attraction Plan'. Even made it gender neutral (!!). The actually actionable advice is largely the same even when the material is made to be s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 06:19 PM
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I tried to carefully nudge him but he's way too invested in his BP identity. He refuses the idea of lifting and he'd need the equivalent of serious therapy to stop his validation seeking behavior. (It's not just with women.) Also he has next to no leverage in the marriage. Wife is the true provider and they have a small baby. The idea of him leaving or even implying that he could doesn't seem to be realistic. I might be able to make him read No More Mr. Nice Guy and MMSLP though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 06:48 AM
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Long time buddy. Career beta, deadbedroomed, cheated on, divorce raped (50+% of income going to alimony and child support). Re-married to an aging woman who outearns him. 1 year in she somehow managed to conceive a baby at 40+ (with some medical help). Now the dude is in a dead bedroom again. There is a good chance that he'll never have a sex life. Previously fat, now skinny fat. Not bad looking, but bad posture and no muscle. Hopelessly blue pill, possibly incurable nice guy and doormat. Breaks…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 08:46 PM
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Practically zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 10:49 AM
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Houses have a book value, people don't. The job market puts a $ value on people all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 08:10 AM
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Men are physically stronger. Almost all men are stronger than almost all women. They are also better at suicide, being lifelong workaholics and a couple of other things. When it comes to mental abilities, the male and female median values are indistinguishably close but men have a wider bell curve. I.e. both among geniuses and idiots there will be a higher proportion of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 10:32 PM
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Why is it wrong according to RPillers to say women as a class are inferior as is lower in quality and ability compared to men? In what? Hand to hand combat? Taking care of small babies? Lactating? Suicide? Living longer? Emotional intelligence? Spacial rotation problems? Passing on your genes?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 08:27 PM
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how men need to be wealthy or whatever to land chicks. That's different from spending money on dates. Being broke is a turnoff if you are a man. You have to compensate in other areas if that's the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 07:04 PM
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I don't have a prenup, but if I ever get married again, I will get one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 05:13 PM
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How does society push for the "Women are wonderful" narrative? The women are pure and innocent thing started a couple of centuries ago in the West, when for example the depiction of angels became almost completely female in art. The gynocentric view reached ridiculous heights in the last couple of decades. My favorite illustration for it is the stuff on /r/menkampf. Simply flipping the gender in popular propaganda ("The future is male.") is also a good illustration. There is a related thing, whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 02:43 PM
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Wealth and resources make men attractive to women. This. A billionaire is a male characters trope in romance novels.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 12:28 PM
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1: First of all, is it true that women only find "less than 20%" of men attractive? Sexually attractive enough to have quality sex with (even in the long run)? Definitely lower than 50%. Way lower. Attractive for comfort and safety as a provider without putting her panties on fire? Yeah, that's most men. (Most men are able to get an LTR.)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 10:45 AM
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OP, you don't distinguish between sexual attraction and the I-need-a-husband-and-he-will-do-my-mom-likes-him kind of attraction. Common PPD mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 08:12 AM
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I am 18 and he is 22. We have been together for about a month. You're way too young to worry about marriage. Focus on not getting pregnant. Otherwise enjoy the easiest time of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 12:48 PM
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Would you think this type of relationship would last? Yes, if he can tolerate the shitty sex life he will be getting long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 12:23 PM
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It can range from absolutely harmless to open disrespect that warrants a next / downgrade.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/17 11:39 PM
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And your interpretation of that article is that women are biologically inferior subhumans? Because the pragmatic and immensely useful message for me is "don't treat your woman as if she was a dude because it will be frustrating for everyone involved". Often it's more appropriate to treat her emotional impulsiveness etc. as if it came from a child. It's not bad advice IME.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/17 11:02 PM
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women are naturally irresponsible and intellectually inferior and have the brain of a child I missed this part of the RP training somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/17 10:00 PM
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Pumping and Dumping is inherently manipulative So one night stands are 'inherently manipulative' now? And those poor naive women can't resist the penis power? Sounds like hypo-agency to me. You're infantilizing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/17 06:23 PM
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This is glorious.
/r/askMRP20/06/17 03:50 PM
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Okay. This is so far removed from 99.5% of the population that we might as well be living on different planets.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/17 01:44 PM
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The break down of gender roles where we shift women to become more masculine and guys more feminine. This doesn't benefit men to become softer, vulnerable and more sensitive in any sort of way. Women will always want a strong man and perpetuating these type of lies is damaging and disingenuous. Yet, here you are playing the victim card on the internet. This mentality is as feminine as it gets. How is this RP in any way? Where is taking responsibility, facing adversity and the harsh truths of lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 07:10 PM
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Otherwise (in general) it's just the old "make him jealous" trick (with an edgier name). It's hard for me to see what man would have patience for that kind of stuff unless the stakes are really high. But maybe I'm too old for this shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 04:42 PM
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I know that active dread is one of the favorite topics here, but it's a tool for desperate situations. It's the one last thing you can try at the end of a failed marriage where nothing worked. Right before serving her papers and talking to the kids about mom and dad moving apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 04:14 PM
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But you're not describing the flaws of open communication itself - you're describing how difficult it is to achieve. If we compare how open communication is supposed to work in an ideal world yes, that would be perfect. It would be ideal. ;) But in the real world taking the "communicate and if it didn't work communicate harder, and if it still didn't work involve a marriage counsellor and communicate more" is very risky compared to following the MRP blueprint. In the ideal world when a DB husban…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 03:42 PM
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It may or may not. It's one last chance to save the family when everything else stopped working. There are 2 aspects to it. One: social proof. Women get turned on by someone who is attractive to other women. And when it comes to the 'new version' of their husband with whom they lived 10+ years they may not notice the changes in him until other women start flirting with him. Two: the irrational denial about the possibility of him leaving can be ridiculously strong. It's a DB cliche that the wife …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 03:39 PM
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I don't think BP users are saying open communication is easy. It's hard to express how utterly inefficient open communication is as a relationship fixing tool. I'm talking about wasting years or decades having 'The Talk' every month or whatever. Where the guy tries to troubleshoot the woman's sex drive like a broken transmission. It can take 11 years (!!!) or more just for her to finally admit that she's not attracted (after years and years of denial and deflection because she's too afraid to bl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 02:36 PM
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why communication doesn't work? The problem with overt communication in a relationship context is that fixing things like sexual attraction and respect can't really be done in an overt way. Just like sexual desire can't be negotiated, respect also can't be negotiated. It won't be genuine. Just like a leader can't just go down and ask subordinates what to do to earn their respect, neither can a husband. They just need to get it. When the husband asks the question "what do I need to do so that you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 02:21 PM
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This sort of communication is built on the following assumptions: 1) she knows what she wants 2) she is ready to share that knowledge with him I give you a scenario. Let's say the dude gained weight. The woman starts seeing him as a huge disappointment to the point of disgust. Many women will struggle with sharing this information with their partner even when they consciously know it. They can be concerned about direct confrontation and threatening the safety of the family nest. Plus she can fea…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 02:01 PM
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Are women hypergamous by nature? Yes. Due to higher opportunity cost of picking the wrong mate they evolved to be sexually attracted to the the mates higher up in the social dominance hierarchy. This is why only one male human had offspring for each 2-4 reproducing female on average (with much more worse chokepoints in human genetic history). This is not unique to homo sapiens. will abandon any relationship they are currently in if they see an opportunity to get with some Chad This is stupid. Ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 01:47 PM
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but at least he has the knowledge IMO naive to call her response 'knowledge'. It's going to be a combination of white lies, best guesses and rationalizations. Maybe there's going to be some truth nuggets, but likely sugarcoated to the point of being meaningless and not actionable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 01:11 PM
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Alphas are supposed to be leaders Reminder about alphas: https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/venn-diagram.jpeg
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 01:05 PM
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blue pillers will tell you to "just talk to her." I wonder how many of the "talk to her" people tried to fix a dead bedroom or ever spent any significant time on /r/DeadBedrooms
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 11:01 AM
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TRP is a tiny, tiny group in a small corner of the internet. Otherwise kind of. A set of ideas that encourages men to invest less in women is bad for society, because single moms are bad for society. This has been true throughout history. Think of parents trying to keep their daughter away from the minstrels or have shotgun weddings etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 09:12 AM
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The actual solution society found is porn plus video games. Sedating tens of millions of men into passivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 08:54 PM
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Do you prefer sex with someone you find unattractive to no sex? Have you heard of prison?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 06:55 AM
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Looks, money, status, charisma (game). Have you ever seen ugly musicians or rich guys with hotties? You think Elon Musk's secret is that he has a giant penis?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 06:20 AM
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Somewhat relevant UK article: So long Shirley Valentine, it's the turn of men to divorce In every age group until 45, more women are divorcing than men. But the pattern changes in over-45s, when men overtake women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/17 08:26 AM
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It's kind of sad how repetitive PPD is. 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 04:28 PM
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You get the behavior you incentivize. Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 02:50 PM
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PPD should have an archive for all the classic arguments that keep repeating almost weekly: AWALT/NAWALT, dread is immoral, AF/BB, no-such-thing-as-alpha-and-beta etc. Collect the pro and contra arguments in their clearest form. The supporting evidence. Make them linkable. When I was much younger I used to participate in creationism debates and it was similar to PPD, the same arguments were rehashed ad nauseam. But there was a database "Index to Creationist Claims" that helped short circuit the …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 12:48 PM
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So basically you're saying NAWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 12:31 PM
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I don't care so she tells me I won't take her serious. Said she want to divorce, I said fine. She told me I would make a mistake. Cried that she wasted her years an effort. She drove off threatening that I will never see her again. I saw the exact same thing. It's a phase. Her world is falling apart, her old tools (drama, shaming) stopped working, so she is panicking and dials them up to 11. In psychology this is called an "extinction burst". You can make this easier for everyone: Make sure you'…
/r/askMRP11/06/17 11:58 AM
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estimates that by 2050 By 2050 automation will eliminate tens of millions of jobs. Not just typically male (e.g. driver) but also female (e.g. office worker). Capitalism as we know it will be shaken up almost completely. The gender difference will be there, yes, but it will be insignificant compared to the drastic changes that society will be going through. Huge swaths of society won't have any marketable skills sufficient for a reasonable income. Translators, radiologists, travel agents, factor…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 11:39 AM
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But for those of you who have found 'the one', This is a myth.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 10:50 AM
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"Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder, but nobody wants to lift no heavy-ass weights"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 09:49 AM
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Why do you accept women who barely try? The realities of the asymmetrical SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 08:35 AM
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BP is red pill on "idiot mode". Sometimes it will work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/17 10:28 PM
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It's a small sample. Very hard to tell. The wife/gf being younger seems to help.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/17 10:10 PM
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My anecdata from a handful of couples who are close enough that I know about their sex lives (N=10). 30-40 yos. UMC professionals, some with SAHM wives. 2 guys I know who have at least weekly sex in their early 40s. One is married with 3 children, the other has an LTR that he only sees on weekends and they have no kids. The rest are completely dead bedrooms (no sex in years, usually after the last kid) or once a month stuff. The typical scenario is basically staying together for the kids and usi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/17 07:21 AM
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Works "fine"? Depends on what "fine" is. A sexually satisfying marriage? I think way less than 50% can pull that off. Some divorce, some cheat, some stay together for the kids or fear of uncertainty or the financial fallout or whatever. I would add "communicate! Tell her how you really feel!" as the cornerstone blue pill advice for LTRs which completely ignores the realities of sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 08:29 PM
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The goal is to get to a place where you KNOW your wife isn't cheating on you because you're an awesome guy who fucks her so well that she has NO reason to look outside the relationship. This is the MRP dream. It's a good goal but even the Chaddest of Chads get cheated on sometimes. Aim to be the guy that is high enough value that it makes no sense for her to cheat. But be prepared for the situation where she does anyway.
/r/askMRP08/06/17 12:01 PM
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I was in a mentally shitty place even before finding RP because I wanted a divorce and with kids that means that life my life as I know it was ending. Wasn't sure how much I'd be able to see them afterwards etc. Compared to that the red pill was not very depressing. It gave me a concrete plan and I was prepared no matter what the outcome was. Couple of months. Go and be angry in the gym while listening to angry music. Cut the negative influence from your life. (People, websites etc.) Stay off of…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/17 07:55 AM
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Quality comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 02:17 PM
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Women are less likely to negotiate aggressively because society You say society, I say biology. Women are less aggressive and less risk taking than men on average. This reflects in their career advancement and choices. They also value time flexibility more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 01:13 PM
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The only difference between a perceived "poser" and a "natural" is time and practice. And awareness about what's happening and why. The natural won't consciously know for the most part. He will have a hard time to teach it to others. For him, "it just happens".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 08:32 AM
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I went through this myself. It's amazing how much you can change yourself. The (non-red pill) book 'The Charisma Myth' is a very good, pragmatic overview of the research and the techniques about learned charisma. Think negotiations, public speaking etc. You can improve a lot and make it effortless. (Assuming that you're motivated to get over the initial hump. Most people are not.)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 05:56 AM
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But TRP doesn't really advocate becoming all of those things, but rather to emulate them as much as is needed to succeed in a hookup scenario. I don't think this is correct. The emulation part was something in early PUA, saying the right lines etc. Long ago the emphasis shifted to "inner game" where for example you don't act confident but are actually confident because you approached hundreds of girls already, internalized abundance mentality and know that if she rejects you there are many other…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 05:48 AM
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I don't know if it's possible to collect reliable statistics on such a thing. Probably not. But one recurring theme you see on /r/divorce is the husband getting surprised how quickly STBX wifey starts dating another dude after they started the divorce process. Days. The moral of the story is: "Watch out!" You can't "watch out". You can only "protect" yourself by being careful not to overinvest in any woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 10:22 AM
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UK article: So long Shirley Valentine, it's the turn of men to divorce In every age group until 45, more women are divorcing than men. But the pattern changes in over-45s, when men overtake women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 08:03 AM
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Automod is missing from the last come on women, be honest about your stated preferences but for realz this time thread. So I post this here: Reset the counter!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 07:59 AM
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^ This.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 07:48 AM
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Very hard to tell. But if my dead bedroom comes back I divorce in a heartbeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 07:07 AM
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One very important part of AF/BB (a.k.a. female dual mating strategy) for a red pill man is that if you focus on being a BB, you end up with a woman who is not really sexually attracted to you, and after she sufficiently tied you down, your sex life will go to shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 07:03 AM
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Yeah, there is a huge overlap. You can't be boring and predictable and expect to maintain attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 05:17 AM
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Social expectation. (Assuming that's important enough for you to sign up for the divorce rape / dead bedroom Russian roulette.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 08:33 AM
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. How do you think you approach marriage differently knowing this historical context? I tell my son not to marry. Although where I live, common law marriage kicks in after 10 years of living together with someone anyway. With all the financial obligations in case of separation (alimony, splitting assets etc.) Does your spouse view things the same way? This topic doesn't really come up. But my views can be presented in a very mainstream friendly way. So reconciling our need for security and our n…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 08:17 AM
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For many, many centuries, lifelong marriage was mostly an economic and parenting arrangement. Some time ago we started associating marriage with spontaneous romantic love and built up this expectation that your spouse has to be your best friend and the person you don't stop being sexually attracted to all your life. A lot of pain results from marriage being sold with this hugely unrealistic assumption. This sort of thing never worked on a large scale at any point of human history. Yet it is kind…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 07:35 AM
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Give me some concrete reasons why marriage is a good move for a man in the modern times in the USA. Green card.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 07:04 AM
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You focused on single guys but I think there are many millions of people living in low sex marriages too. I don't have hard data (and I don't trust surveys on this topic anyway) but I strongly believe that guys in an LTR or marriage who say they are satisfied with the quality and quantity of the sex they get are definitely in the minority. (Indirect indicators: ridiculous amount of porn consumption, prevalence of cheating, sex workers, popular culture etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 07:03 AM
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Beats divorce and definitely better than a dead bedroom. I personally don't care what you call "manipulation". A baby crying to get his mother's attention is manipulation. Withholding a fart on your first date. Makeup. Picking out your clothes for sth important. Carefully choosing your words at a job interview. I was blue pill like you. But I couldn't communicate my way out of a dead bedroom. After 10+ years I stopped giving a fuck, worked out like my life depended on it, dressed better, started…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 06:49 AM
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Now you switched from controlling all aspects of the relationship to IMO somewhat unrelated moral arguments. My point is that a red pill relationship is not simply some Sharia style setup where the woman is treated as a subhuman servant.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 07:03 PM
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being in control of all aspects of the relationship, at all times This is incorrect. There is a lot of nuance to this. It's about not being afraid to say no, not avoiding conflict, taking responsibility, leading, owning one's shit and not being affected by her emotional storms.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 05:40 PM
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I simply don't believe that it's necessary for the female to be the one who needs less X = sex. My claim is that on average, the male will have the higher sex drive. (paper)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 03:38 PM
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I tend to agree. (See also: The Key Masters.) I think there are 2 things at play here: The average guys don't mind committing because that's their only realistic hope of getting regular sex. Women complain about guys not committing because they can get guys 1-2 (even 3) SMV higher than them for casual sex, but not commitment. And as has been mentioned by /u/exit_sandman the rest of the guys are invisible to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 01:43 PM
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On paper you are correct. People do have sexual autonomy. The way it plays out in practice however is one side craves sex more. You can head over to /r/deadbedrooms and see the power games that emerge from this: trickle sex, bait and switch etc. The person who needs X less has the upper hand. It's true at the negotiating table, in the bedroom or when it comes to commitment. (a.k.a. "I have the pussy so I make the rules.")
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 01:38 PM
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The asymmetry comes from male thirst (a.k.a. testosterone). Women on average need sex less, hence they are the gatekeepers of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 01:23 PM
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^ This.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 01:22 PM
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RedPill / PUA tactics can work... but they only work on the kind of woman who falls for RedPill shit. This sentence is a tautology. you're doomed to a never-ending succession of stupid, insecure, immature women. I wouldn't describe my wife as shitty. She's very intelligent, working on her 3rd university degree, a devoted mom, who generates less drama than most women I know. BP often paints this picture of women who react to the red pill approach as broken. Because it's unconceivable that a smart…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 01:17 PM
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Do you long to find your soulmate? The 'soulmate' idea is a myth. Most men who end up on the red pill struggle with the problem of overinvesting in a single particular woman. Manifestations of this behavior are: oneitis ("she is the only person on Earth who can ever make me happy") beta orbiting tolerating disrespect, nagging, generally shitty behavior, subpar sex or dead bedroom from a woman due to fear of losing her when she is THE ONE The 'soulmate' idea just drives these men deeper into scar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 07:14 AM
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"Three in four British women would choose a man with love handles over one sporting a six-pack." MRW
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 05:53 PM
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Steven Pinker calls this the "euphemism treadmill".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 05:43 PM
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Do people exist that expect to find a soulmate that will always be 100% in love with them and never, ever think of other men? That is impossible. The soulmate idea is called Oneitis in PUA / red pill circles. "The Soul Mate Myth" It's bullshit. So is the problem of TRPillers that they're uber romantics and don't know what (probably) most people already realize? (that romantic love doesn't last forever) The red pill formulation: "she is not yours, it's just your turn".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 05:33 PM
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^ This.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 03:52 PM
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I consider this sort of honesty rare. Not non-existent, just rare. (My link above is one of those rare examples.) The mainstream narrative is still the gynocentric conflict-avoidance: "happy wife happy life", "do whatever she tells you" etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 03:49 PM
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Interesting, I could be completely oblivious to my own emotions, but how drastic is her change in behavior for you to need a PMS alert? My wife happens to get grumpier, much more easily annoyed and sleeps more. It's drastic enough that I recognized this change in the past, but now I actually get a heads up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 01:28 PM
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Though the mainstream narrative would have you believe that this The big difference is that men don't have monthly cycles. What I found most interesting on this topic is experiences of people who get hormone treatments. E.g. girl getting testosterone: "I felt like I had to have sex once a day or I would die" Trans-gender people who get hormone treatments are an especially great resource on this. One life changing thing for me was when I started tracking my wife's cycles. I now know when she's ov…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 01:22 PM
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Watch what they do instead of listening to what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 11:27 AM
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Sexual compatibility is important, but IME sexual compatibility is more important than almost any single one of the traits you described.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 11:18 AM
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And the red pill never seems to understand that sometimes, relationship breakdown really is the man's fault. You have a very weird way of reading the red pill or MRP. Taking responsibility and ownership of the situation is a fundamental part of the MRP approach. "don't blame others for your shit" is at the top of every Own Your Shit Weekly post. The man being fat, being lazy, being a doormat, being financially irresponsible, emotionally needy or taking the path of least resistance. Recognizing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 11:04 AM
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Again, classic PPD. Women in this thread are being asked for their stated preferences. I'm pretty sure if you asked my wife she'd say the same thing that the commenters here. There are rare moments when women admit that they want man who stand up to their bullshit and even treat them like a child when they deserve it. But who in their right minds would want to made feel that they are (easily) replaceable? Yet in reality they women do step up their game when the man can't be taken for granted. (A…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 10:52 AM
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OP, there is no mention of sex or sexual compatibility in your post. It could apply to gay best friend, beta orbiter or dead bedroom spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 09:06 AM
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Here's my anecdata on choreplay: Back in my dead bedroom days I asked my wife what she needs, she told me help out more with the chores. I took it to 11 for a while. No change in sex. From my perspective she lied to my fucking face. I got so fucking pissed I almost divorced her on the spot. (Now I realize that she either didn't know consciously what she was missing or was afraid that it would show her in a bad light so 'help out more with housework' was a socially acceptable red herring.) Years …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 08:24 AM
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Ah, the choreplay phase. A dead bedroom cliche. It's utter bullcrap.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 06:23 AM
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I was mostly average. Slightly overweight. Didn't lift. Badly dressed. Very good income, comfortably providing for SAHM wife and 2 kids. Beta bux. Shit sex life. Sometimes full on dead bedroom. Other times just once a month pity star fish. Very cliched beta provider dead bedroom story. You can read it 5 times a week on /r/deadbedrooms and /r/askmrp
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 07:56 AM
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"PurplePillDebate is a neutral community to discuss sex and gender issues, specifically those pertaining to /r/TheBluePill and /r/TheRedPill." What does this thread have to do with sex or gender issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 05:27 PM
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Men don't care about their partner's income in general. Compared to sex. If on her 2nd date she shares that her plan is to quit college and be a SAHM, that can be fine, if she is otherwise hot/pleasant enough. If she shares that she'll earn 250k, but 5 years into the relationship she plans to switch to once a month duty sex, there is most likely no 3rd date.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 05:24 PM
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Always hide your work. Women don't want to know how hard you work for anything. Law 30: Make your accomplishments seem effortles
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 04:14 PM
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MRP for beginners. Take a typical DB relationship. A central concept of that is "The Talk" (a.k.a. negotiating desire). The mainstream / blue pill advice is "communicate and when it doesn't work communicate harder". These men are not respected, they try to negotiate for sex, fail every shit test and the more they talk, the more their wives lose their respect for them. Hence: actions not words. Later on, when they change their mindset and stop caring about thier wives words (because they recogniz…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 10:58 AM
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Cocky / funny and amused mastery are superior to STFU but the latter is harder to fuck up for beginners. That's why it's mentioned more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 10:51 AM
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Global warming. What does that have to do with the title of your post or red pill in general? To respond to the title. I personally happen to be a classical liberal. Economist subscribing 3rd generation atheist, pro science, pro nuclear power, anti political correctness and anti mass immigration. Does the TRP lean right? I'd say yes. First, males as a block lean more right in general. Opposing feminism and identity politics today also shifts you to the right immediately. The emphasis on the indi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 07:26 AM
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true love is real Get back to this after your second child goes to school. But for now, enjoy the ride.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 05:04 AM
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dating a woman you really like for several months Without sex? Ain't nobody got time for that!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 04:38 PM
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Chad don't need no pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 10:27 AM
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'Respect' is the wrong word. I strongly believe that my children need both a father and a mother to have a healthy upbringing. Yin and yang. And the mother needs to have a soft, nurturing, caring side.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 05:07 AM
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Red pillers don't need sympathy. They want to get laid and they want to understand the rules of the game they have to play to get there. Pity won't get them laid. Nobody gives a fuck about weak men in society. Not women, not men. There is too much whining and bitching and complaining on the TRP sub. It's weak. It's not masculine. It's the wrong mindset. It's counterproductive. TRP should aim for masculine stoicism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 01:39 PM
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Why do the RP guys need female sympathy? Will it get them laid more? Nope. What they need instead is to stop whining so much about things they cannot change (female nature) and focus on the things they can: their own actions. Those angry kids need more stoicism. The TRP sub could emphasize this more.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 07:26 AM
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while the woman submits to her man's authority The important thing is that there is a lot of nuance to this. (A lot of MRP discussions are about getting this nuance right.) The general idea, that just like in dating or on the dancefloor, the woman will be more passive / reactive and the man will lead. It doesn't have to mean that woman is some second rate servant / slave who can't speak without permission etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/17 11:46 AM
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Of course beta qualities attract women. It's one side of the female dual mating strategy. Good genes and physical protection (alpha) are not enough. A woman also needs some level of financial stability, security, emotional comfort, predictability etc. This is what a "husband material" (a.k.a. beta) guy brings to the table. Except she will have a hard time maintaining her sexual attraction to a predictable, unexciting provider with very few alpha qualities. But it doesn't mean that she won't marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 01:35 PM
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There is a (non-red pill) thread about how men and women experience love and romance. It is one of my favorite things on Reddit, it's just absolutely beautiful. Even if you're blue, it can be a good read: When he can finally let go of the crank he continually turns day after day in order to earn love and, even if only for a moment, it turns by itself to nourish him in return, that is when he will know he is loved. (The red pill concept for this is the Burden of Performance).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/17 10:17 AM
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IIRC it comes from NLP. One of the very early PUA gurus was big on neurolinguistic programming.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:48 PM
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What women say they want, and who they actually date are two different things. ^ This.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 06:03 AM
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This is why the ''watch what she does, not what she says'' is one of the trusims of TRP. A 100x this. Observed preferences > stated preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 03:38 PM
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Completely unphased and as if it wasn't a big deal. I realized at that moment that so much of the pain we cause is by ourselves. You already made the first step understanding Stoic philosophy. :) It truly can change your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 02:58 PM
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"Everything in life is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power." There is stuff to agree with in your post. A lot of the red pill is about power. (Hint: 48 Laws of Power is on the reading list. The Rational Male has tons of posts about power.) Once a man recognizes his own power (most importantly, the power to walk away, a.k.a. abundance mentality) the dynamics of the relationship change to his advantage. There are of course gender differences though. Men and women have different needs in a re…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:16 AM
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how do you respond By not giving a fuck. A huge and important part of my RP journey was learning to be my own judge and very carefully choose when to GAF. Having said that of course you filter what you take from the red pill. I don't know anyone who takes it all as gospel. And let's be honest, most people even cherry pick the gospel... ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 05:53 AM
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if men are naturally masculine They aren't. They are raised to put women on a pedestal and take what they say at face value. They are raised in an environment that shames and ridicules physical power, strength, aggression, competitiveness and sexually dominant attitudes. In the West, men are bred into supplicant, out of shape betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 01:15 PM
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Hard to tell. Absolutely, positively found a unicorn but not being married is a deal breaker for her. But default to 'no marriage'.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:25 AM
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Both. I have a close friend whose shitty marriage and divorce I could see play out in slow motion. He is well educated with an ok research job, but has to leave more than half his paycheck for alimony and child support. (Wife works part time.) In this expensive city it meant that he could barely afford rent afterwards and had to accept a room mate to split expenses with. At 40 or so, he had to start from scratch. What's maddening is that this money goes to his ex and her boyfriend living in his …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:50 PM
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Depends on what commitment means. Financial entanglement? Moving states together leaving friends and family behind? Or simply agreeing that you are exclusive for the foreseeable future?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:44 PM
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Marriage is a pretty bad deal for men, but a good deal for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:42 PM
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If you do, you are playing dead bedroom Russian roulette.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 02:08 PM
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give men access to sex and reproduction, independently. The sex part already started. Millions of men already numb themselves with porn (and video games). As the experience continues to be more elaborate and enticing (VR based and more interactive) more and more men will go soft-MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 10:34 AM
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Son: Red pill blueprint. Lift, abundance mentality, trust their actions, not their words. Absolutely no neediness. Watch out for oneitis. There are no unicorns. Don't marry before 35. Only marry if unavoidable and get a prenup. Daughter: Most guys just want sex. Dont trust their lies. Aim for marriage with a high value man. Don't settle for a nice guy, because he'll eventually turn you off and your marriage will be miserable. Also: make me at least 2 grandchildren each!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 08:03 AM
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It's about signaling that you can't be taken for granted. Sometimes just grooming better can be enough. Sometimes you have to go all the way to putting signed divorce papers on the dining table. The idea is to trigger the built in mate guarding mechanisms. There is some overlap with hysterical bonding.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 07:56 AM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:47 AM
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Looks, money, status, game.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:47 AM
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I think plate spinning is not a realistic long term strategy for 95% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:04 AM
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I'm married but would most likely never marry again. My views haven't changed from PPD but reading /r/divorce /r/adultery /r/deadbedrooms is really sobering. I recommend reading those for anyone considering marriage. I do advise my daughter to marry and my son not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:56 AM
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What aspects of sexuality and mate selection did they study? What was the methodology for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 09:38 PM
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^ This.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:13 PM
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Still better than /r/deadbedrooms 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:12 PM
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Pretty much.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:06 PM
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But, what's the big obstacle to women getting a significant other? Hypergamy. Historically males were able to use a shotgun approach to procreation, while a female always had to chose more carefully because of the high risk of pregnancy and vulnerability associated with child rearing. The female firmware really, really doesn't like to settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:04 PM
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Women have way more options and a much easier time when it comes to dating, especially casual sex. Are they happier / more satisfied on average than men though? I think that the hedonic treadmill makes sure that they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 10:14 AM
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I would say that the average family man will have plenty of urges, he just won't have many opportinuties. The average dad is an overweight, out of shape porn user, who won't get much IRL female attention. But take a fit and successful person on a business trip and the odds change. Even more so if he only gets infrequent and subpart sex from a nagging wife at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 10:51 AM
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is if I marry a man will he resent me for only being one person? Is he going to desperately wish to cheat on me? Is monogamy too boring for men? There is a"hunting instinct" in men. This cannot be denied. Whether he will act on it, is a different question . If you treat him well, it's less likely to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 06:19 AM
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Lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 08:01 AM
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women aren't having sex as much as men think they are Haha. Y'all should read more /r/divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 09:42 PM
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/r/marriedredpill sidebar
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 08:36 PM
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Think of it as sales techniques or tips for doing a job interview. The question is which set of advice is more likely to work. (Neither blue or red will work 100%.)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 07:14 PM
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there is no right or wrong The red pill gives you a model of female sexual behavior. In theory you could test whether it's better than the blue pill default by letting a panel of red pill 'experts' and a panel of blue pill 'experts' observe a large number of situations in dating and relationships from very close, then make predictions on what happens next. Will he get laid on the next date with the approach he is using? Will she cheat on him in the next 12 months? Will they live happily ever aft…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 07:02 PM
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The utter ineffectiveness of the "communicate!" solution is what keeps TRP and MRP growing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:31 PM
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why do TRP men get shamed by using their tactics to get laid? I see too many articles about women complaining I never understood why an actual red pill man would care about 'articles' or TBP or anyone trying to shit on them online. If your ego is that fragile, how do you deal with shit tests in person? "You think this is abuse, you cocksucker? You can't take this -- how can you take the abuse you get on a sit?!"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:26 PM
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Find a marriage counselor. Overall, just don't do anything stupid or "alpha" and you'll be fine. Let me guess. You haven't spent much time on /r/deadbedrooms
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:10 PM
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Can you offer a better tangible solution than the Red Pill? There was a subreddit dedicated to the idea of offering a red pill alternative: /r/PunchingMorpheus/ There isn't much in terms of content, but they have a pretty cool name. (It's linked from the PPD sidebar btw.)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:08 PM
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it only works on vapid weak-minded doormats IME this is mostly a comforting lie. Roughly the progression of cognitive dissonance goes like this: There is no way it works! It only works on damaged women. Okay, it might work, but it's immoral. Yeah, of course it works, it's perfect common sense dressed up in edgy slang and misogyny. Nothing new.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 03:40 PM
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So the only thing that matters to both sides are whether or not they're true according to their own experience. Whichever set of ideas gets you laid more is more 'valid'.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 03:20 PM
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The 'problem' that perpetuates red pill thinking is that it gives you results. As long as it gets you laid, it will keep spreading. Once women stop sleeping with confident, fit, masculine men who don't take them too seriously, this set of ideas will die out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 03:18 PM
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The precursor of RP, PUA started out by anonymous dudes exchanging notes on the internet. The outcome was a set of ideas that for many dudes worked better than their default assumptions around dating that they got from relatives, friends and the media growing up. This was 'game' that later evolved into RP. 99.999% of the people don't base their approach to dating and relationships on journal articles or any kind of scientific research.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 09:40 AM
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😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 09:32 AM
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Not yet, but I try to keep an open mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 09:30 AM
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As Mystery, the PUA pioneer said in his Conan interview: Get out of the house!! I might have read different RP materials from you but this was always emphasized: Stop with the excuses and go approach 100 women. Actions not words. Acta non verba. Women talk, men do. The bull never complains about the cow not initiating. Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 09:22 AM
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Comfort pretty much covers most complaints about TRP. For most of the RP audience too much comfort is the problem due to their BP conditioning. Even after they started their RP journey they can relapse to too much comfort if they feel that they found the right girl. They often need to be slapped out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 05:57 AM
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Trust me. The actual anger and even more, the disillusionment sets in when he stops acting 'nice' and the women eat it all up. When it starts working. He realizes that he's been fed a lie all his life and wasted all those years playing a game from the wrong playbook.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 09:27 AM
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Omega hate is older than mankind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 07:50 AM
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Tl;dr: Red Pillers are aggressive towards women who ignore/reject them/their tactics because they think they have figured out the way of the world and hate it when things do not turn out as they were 'promised' they would. No. The red pill advocates abundance mentality. If I was a woman I'd be more upset about how little red pillers want to invest in me, how nonchalantly they next me and how replaceable I am in their eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 07:44 AM
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men think they are entitled to her saying 'yes' when they put in the effort. Where do you get this? Honest question. PUA and Red Pill both play a number's game. At least 75+% of the women you approach will reject you. (Probably closer to 95%). The very core idea is that it's not a big deal, because there are millions of other women. So you just move on. You don't overinvest in any one particular woman. This is abundance mentality. A very common PUA / RP advice for beginners is to go out and appr…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 07:24 AM
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^ This.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 07:20 AM
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MUSCLES AND MUSCULAR DEFINITION MEANS FUCK ALL! I thought one of the recurring BP arguments was that the red pill advice to work out and get fit was 'common sense' that everybody knows. ;) Yet it's effectiveness is being denied vehemently even on this forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 07:14 AM
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Don't listen to what women say, just keep bettering yourself to attract them...? Nice logic Realize that their stated preferences are not the same as their revealed preferences. Focus on the latter and you can ignore the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 07:09 AM
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watch what they do, not what they say. This is basic red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 07:09 AM
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So I have a medical condition that pretty much keeps me from drinking. This shouldn't be a problem. There are PUA gurus who don't drink. I've tried to hit the gym, but just a half an hour in and I'm really sick, like about ready to throw up sick. You're probably doing it wrong and should get expert help. I really am trying to tone my gut down on it. You mean weight loss? That's 95% diet. You want a six pack? Probably not necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 06:53 PM
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When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.” That "husband material" guy will get deadbedroomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 06:23 PM
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The bad conversations are just as important. The problem IMO is the very bad noise / signal ratio. There are way too many low effort / low quality posts and comments. You have to wade through a lot of junk to find the valuable stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 03:49 PM
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I came here to say this. Watch what they do, not what they say is core RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 08:52 PM
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Why do so many women get fat Same reason the dudes get fat. Because being on a carb and sugar rich diet for long enough time fucks up their metabolism.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 02:59 PM
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I think the post I linked above sums it up pretty well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 02:57 PM
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A voice of reason. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 07:32 AM
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Watch what they do, not what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 07:08 AM
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This pic is good to keep in mind when talking about alphas. Source.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 06:51 AM
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So they say. But watch what they do So much this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 06:36 AM
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Men are obsessed with penises. PENIS POWER!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 11:08 PM
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What is wrong with being a beta? Shitty sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 07:44 PM
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It's not inevitable. But given long enough time it will start happening. Kids catalyze the process in a big way. The man might be strong enough to resist it, but I think it's more common to gradually succumb to it day by day. It's like boiling frogs. Given 2 kids and 10-15 years of marriage and I think the results will be visible for the median couple.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 07:30 AM
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Once again PPD asks women about their stated preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 01:27 PM
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you may feel like you've been lied to by society on how to attract women and that some women aren't completely honest/aware of what they want. Yes, but that's not political correctness. It's that society still pretends that men get Marriage 1.0 but they actually get Marriage 2.0. Naive men double down on their beta qualities (what would have made them good 'husband material' in 1895) and get a rude awakening because it doesn't work any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 12:34 PM
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What is one thing you think needs to be done to "fix" society? Teach people statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 12:24 PM
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"A good man wants his wife to be happy more than anything else in the world" I used to make myself responsible for her happiness. That got me years of dead bedroom. I don't do that any more. I put myself first now. But I also have high standards for myself about how to be a good leader of my family. She seems happier now. And it's not because I put her needs ahead of mine. I strive for awesome and it's good to be married to someone awesome. it looks like men hate women and want them to be misera…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 12:23 PM
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Why is TRP so anti-university education? Is it though? Honest question. Sounds counterproductive to me. Male college graduates who have their shit together will be in increasingly short supply in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 08:39 PM
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Among all the meaningless superstitions the ones that get you laid are IMO the best kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 06:55 PM
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A superstition that is reductive and meaningless It gets me laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 05:37 PM
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What purpose do men serve in society where women work? For society? Tax payers, employees for shitty / risky jobs. For women? Status objects, companions, co-parents, spider removers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 05:31 PM
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Yeah, pretty much. The nominal reason given is "preservation of peace within the family".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 06:35 AM
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My predictions: Tinder like services becoming even more widespread. More herbivores and dead bedrooms like in Japan. Increasingly immersive porn. Interactive. VR. At some point in this century: sex robots. Attention that would have went into relationships going into online activities instead: video games for men, social media for women. More and more children born outside wedlock. (2011 OECD average: ~30+ % and quickly increasing). Marriage losing its importance and meaning even more. Pervasive …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 07:07 PM
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LAW 38) Think as you like but behave like others
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 03:41 PM
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A large number of unfucked men will destabilize any society. (This is a known thing, but I'm too lazy to search for the articles.) I personally don't think anyone can really predict if this destabilizing effect will be more important than the other stuff going on that changes society as we know it (e.g. increasingly immersive porn). I personally would bet that mass automation will change society in a more significant way. Millions of men can 'check out' and numb themselves with porn and video ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 07:40 AM
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There are many situations where the right way to treat a woman is as if she was a child. In the words of one woman: When I act like a child, think of me like a child Half the time when I’m being a bitch, it is exactly the same as when a 3-year-old is wigging out because s/he’s sleep-deprived. There is no logical reason for the behavior — it’s a physiological reaction. As adults, we assume we’re all capable of being normal, rational beings all the time. We’re not. Especially not those of us with …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 07:31 AM
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In the beginning only good virtuous men were afforded status and this was an easy way for a woman to know if a guy is worth procreating with. Good and virtuous? How do you think a man became a tribal chieftain in prehistoric times?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 06:12 AM
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That there is no difference between stated and revealed preferences when it comes to dating and sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 09:35 AM
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Nothing women say, either here or on surveys or in public, should be taken seriously. This. Stated and revealed preferences are not the same. Watch what they do, not what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 06:36 AM
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Congrats. I tried the blue pill communicate-and-if-it-doesn't-work-communicate-harder for many many years. Let me tell you it's all horseshit. Your wife shit tests you relentlessly. You take it at face value. She tells you you loaded the dishwasher wrong. She tells you she needs more romantic gestures. She asks for more choreplay. She tells you she's unhappy implying it's your responsibility. You do all this shit and it just makes her lose the remaining respect for you. (You communicated!) You i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 06:25 AM
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most of the women who had communication problems stated that their husband did not validate their feelings or opinions. Once again a PPD post that focuses on women's stated preferences. Taking what my wife says at face value gave me 10+ years of dead bedroom. Watch her actions, not her words. Always. Only when I stopped taking what she says seriously could I fix my sex life. In short, the evidence is clear: clear communication is a far better alternative to amused mastery. Read a 100 posts on /r…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 06:02 AM
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OP, you're demanding some sort of fairness from the SMV where it's mostly just a function of biological firmware and supply and demand. You're trying to shame women as a group for being the way they are. It can't and won't change anything. You know the rules of the game, you either play or not. Bitching about it makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 09:00 AM
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The comments and the upvotes all seem to suggest that MRP is okay with this. I don't think MRP has an 'official' position either way. Cheating is neither actively encouraged or discouraged. But it's true that MRP is much more accepting of it than what you'd expect from the general population. I personally think that can be explained because many of those men come from dead bedroom like situations. Incidentally /r/deadbedrooms (a non RP sub) is also more accepting of cheating. Being denied by you…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 04:34 PM
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I wouldn't leave for someone better It's easy to say that in the hypothetical. ;) Very few people think of their future selves as someone who would be disloyal and dishonest. Then it just happens...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 04:27 PM
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The thing is, that when there are problems in the relationship the dude will just double down on the beta stuff: more compliments, more choreplay, more romantic gestures, more bending over backwards to please her etc. And then he gets surprised when it doesn't work. At those levels, the supplicating behavior actually becomes a turnoff. This is a recurring problem on /r/deadbedrooms.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 03:59 PM
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That is definitely not the way it's used in RP. If the man is self-sacrificing to the fullest, it won't matter much for his wives' long term sexual attraction and it won't stop her to leave him / cheat on him when the opportunity arises for someone who is less of a martyr but more attractive to her at that moment. For example: richer taller better looking higher status (might be husband's boss for example) more "exciting", adventurous, mysterious more dominant etc. All his "husband material" qua…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 03:10 PM
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RP says that his huge self sacrifice would not contribute to long term sexual attraction from his partner. ("Hypergamy doesn't care".) Self sacrificing / martyr behavior is at best neutral at worst detrimental w.r.t. sexual desire. Accepting this is the rude awakening. This is what triggers the anger phase and makes men bitter. When the guy feels that he has been playing the game all his life and all along he was using the wrong rulebook.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 02:25 PM
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Hypergamy is not bad, it's just actively denied. It's a harsh truth for the bottom X% of men. It goes against the narrative they were fed most of their lives. It's a bitter pill to swallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 02:07 PM
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Men probably won't be able to compete as well. What then? Sex robots. Before those happen, boys and men will keep numbing themselves with increasingly sophisticated video games and increasingly sophisticated porn to live through male fantasies. (Society can hope that they choose that path instead of joining some militant movement.) Another possibility, they find female partners from poorer and more traditional countries. (Example)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 05:58 PM
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most of the stuff on TRP is just mainstream advice This argument comes up often. Here's a good summary of why RP is a strong package that distinguishes it and makes it work. I spend a good amount of time on /r/deadbedrooms and there are tons of male posters there every week who obviously 'missed' all this amazing mainstream advice out there and could benefit from RP a lot. And the advice they get from non-RP reddit? How often do you think: 'lose the extra weight and hit the gym' comes up vs 'com…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 04:05 PM
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I don't read TRP much, but /r/marriedredpill changed my life. I wrote about it here. TL;DR: I was on the brink of divorce after more than a decade of shitty marriage but when I stopped listening to my wife and instead trusted a bunch of internet strangers it all turned around.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 03:45 PM
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This is a reasonable summary.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 03:00 PM
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That asking women about their stated preferences helps understanding the actual intergender dynamics. This sub likes to pretend that there is no difference between stated and revealed preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/17 12:57 PM
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There is no such thing as "actual evidence" that any sexual behavior is caused by X or Y. It's entirely based off of surveys which are just collections of anecdotes. This.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 12:34 PM
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Isnt' this the apex / nadir fallacy?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 12:33 PM
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consider using reliable sources in your arguments. Dating and intergender dynamics are not very well researched topics. Even if they were, most people do not get their knowledge on this topic from journal papers. Not even from stuff that is indirectly based on journal papers (e.g. popular science articles or books etc.) If we took a person and made them type out absolutely everything that they know about dating and intergender dynamics, then highlighted the parts that are based on verifiable and…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 12:29 PM
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For the umpteenth time, somebody on PPD asks women about their stated preferences. One of the cornerstones on which the red pill is based on is that this is an utterly useless question.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 01:38 PM
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when visiting their sub to see what posts they are currently strawmanning I never understood why you would visit that sub unless you enjoy shitting on TRP users. To get outraged about outrage? What's the value?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 12:47 PM
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Quality comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 12:35 PM
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How could anyone even have a girlfriend without her being attracted to him? Have you ever been to /r/deadbedrooms?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 09:28 AM
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One aspect of this in the words of a woman: When I act like a child, think of me like a child Half the time when I’m being a bitch, it is exactly the same as when a 3-year-old is wigging out because s/he’s sleep-deprived. There is no logical reason for the behavior — it’s a physiological reaction. As adults, we assume we’re all capable of being normal, rational beings all the time. We’re not. Especially not those of us with riotously, spectacularly, outlandishly fluctuating hormones. Seriously, …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 05:55 PM
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Men shame weak men because for many many thousands of years they had to be able to rely on male members of their own group standing their ground and pulling their weight in survival situations. ("Show me your war face!") If you are physically or psychologically weak you can mean disaster for the whole group hunting wild animals, facing the enemy tribe etc. You see this with drill sergeants, groups of men (friends, team mates) busting each other's balls, questioning each others manliness, gay sha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 11:36 AM
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You’ll want to come back to that place of comfort, but always remember that place is one of disrespect and sexlessness. This. I do remember.
/r/MarriedRedPill06/02/17 04:39 PM
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Once again PPD is asking women about their stated preferences. There is almost nothing to learn from this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/17 10:10 AM
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After 8 years of marriage, there were two options - divorce or MRP. Nothing suggested on bedrooms helped me. I've had more sex in this last year than I've had the entirety of my marriage. Same here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 12:45 PM
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Raise kids, watch TV and travel.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 10:58 AM
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This was my favorite post this month. She does whatever worked with me. Manipulation and gaslighting are not much more than words, really. If you can achieve something just by speaking with someone, why not try it? This.
/r/MarriedRedPill25/01/17 08:23 AM
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I'd phrase it more like this: she's not a unicorn. =)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 05:17 PM
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I do have a unique insight into this, because I actually tried to fix this marriage the blue pill way before: "communicate and if it didn't work, communicate harder!". And that, like most /r/deadbedroom stories that go long enough involved choreplay. This is a cliche: unfucked husband asks the wife what she wants to have sex with him (negotiated desire). She comes up with rationalizations about why she's not attracted to him and gives him a laundry list (which is almost always boils down to bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 05:13 PM
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to me she just sounds abusive and controlling. I mean stopping you working out? I'd say 'insecure' would be closer. It's a recurring pattern after /r/marriedredpill self improvement: suddenly she finds herself as a post-wall overweight woman who has been a SAHM all her life next to an increasingly ripped, well dressed and self confident dude with a high income job who realized that his wife doesn't own the last vagina on the planet. however I would like to know why you thought this work was wort…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 04:53 PM
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I don't see my wife as particularly immature (compared to other women I know). She struggles with a few bad mental patterns coming back from her childhood, but otherwise, she's a fairly tough, intelligent, well educated woman. But of course, I'm biased. =) Like, if my SO tried a few of the things you described I would assume he didn't care for me anymore and just leave him. With kids in the picture leaving is much harder. "Staying together for the kids" is a thing. Unfortunately. It took me year…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 09:20 AM
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I admit that I don't read TRP that much. I don't think I'm the real target audience. For me, it's mostly the blogs and /r/marriedredpill
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 09:10 AM
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A few things. What I learned from /r/deadbedrooms and among people around me is that couples are extremely good at putting up a front. This is so powerful that they even convince themselves that this is a great relationship. "Everything is perfect except for this one thing." is a dead bedroom cliche. Most of the time nobody around them will know about their issues. I had close friends and relatives confess their long DB situation where I would have never expected it. I have no idea if you can ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 09:08 AM
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It's a combination of many, many things. I don't think I can do the /r/marriedredpill sidebar justice in one single comment. This was very, very important: I adopted an abundance mentality. For me that means that I'm fully prepared to divorce her. This mental switch changed our relationship in a big way. In RP parlance "I'm the prize" and it's her who has to qualify herself to stay Mrs. bala-key. This is not talked about openly, but I think she knows. Despite her protests I kept working out and …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 04:11 PM
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When the Red Pill model (of sexual attraction) predicted my wife's behavior almost exactly. I'll be honest, at first I was skeptical, but at the edge of divorce this was one last thing I would try. The ideas were very hard to accept to my blue pill conditioned mind. When it worked though and I had the most enthusiastic sex of my married life, it felt like sorcery. Where "communicate!" and a big stack of blue pill relationship advice books haven't worked for 15 years, taking advice from dudes on …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 12:46 PM
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Our daughter is now 14 months old. Is your wife breastfeeding? You might be going up against her hormones in addition to other challenges.
/r/askMRP20/01/17 01:21 PM
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Ever listen to a woman trying to logic out why she is attracted to a douche bag or why she isn't attracted to good guy? The confusion in their own heads is the source of a lot of frustration if you're only listening to what they say. Women are fed the same lies growing up about women's preference and are often just as confused over their own decisions I'm with you on this one. I've seen women genuinely surprised (both on deadbedrooms and IRL) that they are not (sexually) attracted to the guy who…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 07:22 AM
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Do you think that its possible to cherry pick To me, it was always obvious that one would do this. I actually guess that most RP men take what is applicable to their situation and don't bother with the rest. (The bigger issue is that the amount of work needed is just too much for many...)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:15 PM
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I honestly find it weird that PPD is so obsessed with the stated preferences of women. The whole PUA thing all the way back in the Ross Jeffries days already made the realization that when it comes to dating and sex women's stated preferences and actual preferences differ. The Red Pill has evolved from this, but this idea IMO stays at its core. Yet time and time again PPD pretends to be naive about this. Decades later! Even if this idea was lost to time, there is a well known general effect call…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:51 PM
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as first world people we should just count our blessings sometimes? You make it sound like the question is how much fun we're having dating and fucking people. Just a little or tons? As someone who found RP coming from /r/deadbedrooms I have a much more somber view of what's at stake when it comes to understanding "intergender dynamics". For me, it's not about maximizing Tinder matches, but about depression, addiction, divorce, breaking up families and fucking up children's lives in the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 01:38 PM
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My initial idea(that formed around high school) about the subject was that there are two types of traits that are responsible for short and long term attractiveness respectively. My wife still insists that muscles only help men when they want to pick up women at a bar... (also: muscles only work on women who want to be picked up at bars!) I dont want to say that there is some conspiracy to brainwash men through media into beeing a better BB I was one of those guys whose dream was to become the u…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 07:09 PM
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What are you trying to accomplish by it I mostly lurk. Having your ideas challenged is healthy. Avoiding group-think is healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 04:15 PM
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But still sitting at 27-28 bodyfat% That's still very high. If you're making good progress, stay the course. I'd personally recommend /r/keto but whatever works for you. Just stop doing what doesn't. It's a marathon. Don't be impatient.
/r/askMRP16/01/17 06:31 PM
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I appreciate your honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/17 11:31 AM
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This is a good start OP. My 2 pieces of advice: Give it time. If your were 10 years together, count 10-12 months before you find your new normal. And prepare for the road getting bumpy at times. Read up on the 'main event'. Take it slow. Don't go 'red pill Rambo' because it will unnecessarily destabilize your relationship. You can find advice on this in the archives. One of the most common noobie mistakes.
/r/askMRP15/01/17 09:20 AM
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The Red Pill doesn't recruit members. The Red Pill doesn't advertise. Its members are sent there by people who are hating on it. This is how I found it. Someone wrote about how awful the red pill is on some relationship related sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 05:02 PM
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I appreciate your honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 04:20 PM
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OP I was you. My story is pretty much like yours. The red pill is in fact bitter to swallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 04:01 PM
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Mainstream advice that most men have access to won't emphasize getting into shape like RP does. If you search for "low sex marriage" or sth similar and read the top mainstream 10 books on Amazon they won't talk about it and when they do, it's all sugar coated and heavily hedged. (lest it might show women in an unfavorable light...) Go to /r/deadbedrooms and see how often this advice comes up (and it's not from an RP lurker). I went through this shit for 15 years. Books, videos, everything. "Comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 03:59 PM
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^ This. I think it's also referred to as "taming the alpha". Pretty much standard in romance novels.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 07:02 AM
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Because of the girls who even want casual sex at all, the most important thing they want is a guy who "gets it". It's a test of social aptitude. If a woman has to tell you what she wants you don't have it. This is important. It's also key Red Pill knowledge: Just Get It.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 06:57 AM
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Some women genuinely are surprised that the "husband material" (beta) guys don't give them tingles. How can that be, her Mom likes him so much and all her female friends tell her that he's a catch! Those who consciously realize their attraction to bad boys mostly won't announce it due to social desirability bias. Men say...."Yea, we like big breasts. Yea, we like nice asses. Yea, we like sexy women". We usually don't openly say how much we would like to facefuck the (underage) girl next door or …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 06:52 AM
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Female attraction is about looks - money - status - charisma (game) This is RP / PUA 101. Looks, obviously. Money - have you never seen hot women with ugly (old) billionaires? Status - men in leadership positions or high status positions punch way above their looks based weight class: doctors, CEOs, entertainment stars, professional athletes etc. Do you think Mick Jagger was successful with hotties due to his looks? Charisma / game: there are masculine traits that are attractive to women. These …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 03:40 PM
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but in some of my consumer behavior coursework I saw an argument that asking for small favors did a better job of building attraction/interest than doing small favors. Is it possible that it's the Ben Franklin effect that you're describing?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 12:22 PM
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Current issue with oldest son (middle school). He's unathletic, chubby, and struggles with schoolwork due to dyslexia. He's had some social problems popping up at school lately - I think mostly due to hitting the age where the social hierarchy matters, and his not really being adept at the things that matter to kids his age. The silver lining here is that you have the know-how to help him. This is huge. Many men find this information and turn their life around when their best years are already b…
/r/MarriedRedPill12/01/17 10:43 AM
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So she takes an SSRI that tanks her libido and makes it hard for her to cum. Stating the obvious here, but if she takes anti-depressants you can be the chaddest of Chads and it might not make a difference to your wife.
/r/MarriedRedPill12/01/17 10:24 AM
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My wife is smart, intelligent and an amazingly devoted mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 04:21 PM
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every woman I've been involved with has been pretty straight with me I don't think I've even really been shit tested. OP, how old are you? If you don't trust RP field reports, read a little bit of /r/deadbedrooms to see how manipulative people in relationships are. Gaslighting, blame shifting, self-victimization, white lies, straight up lies, "accidental" pregnancies, verbal abuse etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 03:43 PM
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Money is important, but its value is not linear. Yes, being unemployed or having a low income is definitely a huge handicap, but from around average to well above average, it's more like a hygiene factor: if you are not clean (have a low income) you're out of the game, but being cleaner (having somewhat above average income) doesn't give you a significant advantage if you don't have the looks, status and persona. The difference between earning 150k and not 130k are won't compensate for being tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/17 01:11 PM
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she complains endlessly no matter how unjustified she is Ignore. What do I need to do? Set boundaries and enforce them.
/r/askMRP10/01/17 12:02 PM
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status leadership, source of entertainment, fun and feelz comfort / safety / emotional support validation coparenting being a roommate having a boyfriend / husband status safe sex (also better quality sex than a ONS)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/17 11:48 AM
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A 6 figure salary is a lot of money For money to trigger as a factor in attraction, the man has to have (significantly) more than her other prospects. This is completely depending on the demographics, you can't put an absolute value on it. TRPers insist that status doesn't matter This sounds surprising to me given that the looks-money-status trichotomy has been recognized for a long time by PUAs as the key pillars of female attraction. (Game added on of course.)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/17 11:41 AM
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Married, UMP dude here. The core concepts of the red pill about female behavior are valid everywhere IME. It's not just the proles. E.g. academia and tech culture is full of hard core blue pill betas whose sex life is as lousy as you'd guess. TRP exaggerates concepts like the cock carousel for dramatic effect (?) but sexually attractive traits and behavior will be attractive regardless of class and unattractive behaviors will be turnoffs no matter where you come from.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/17 08:20 PM
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Lift, don't trust women with contraception and watch their actions, not their words.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 07:54 PM
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I avoid them by being a nice guy, husband and father. No More Mr. Nice Guy is the first book you need to read IMO. It's essential to understand the concept of 'covert contracts'. Your post is full of them.
/r/askMRP21/12/16 02:35 PM
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She makes you PAY. (Think Drill sergeant from Full metal Jacket.) No . All she does is express an opinion. You allow her to decide whether or not you feel good about yourself. Once you stop doing this, what she says cannot hurt you and you respond to shit tests with a shrug. That's the real game. This. Her words only have as much power over you as you give to them. Once you internalize this, the whole game changes. You won't have to act like you don't care, because you actually won't care. OP, h…
/r/askMRP21/12/16 02:06 PM
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3rd kid 4 mos Is she breastfeeding? There is a good chance that her hormones are messed up and you can be an apex alpha and it will still not work. This comes on top of your BP history with her of course.
/r/MarriedRedPill15/12/16 09:40 AM
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^ This is it. It might take months to fully internalize this, but this is the key.
/r/askMRP22/11/16 12:16 PM
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complete NOOB, took my first "loading dose" of the red pill 1.5 months ago Give it time. The rule of thumb is 1 month for every year spent in the relationship.
/r/askMRP18/11/16 11:52 AM
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I remember as a very young person I couldn't wrap my head around hot women dating / marrying ugly but rich guys. It makes much more sense to me now. ;) Also in the circles where I grew up there guys who paid attention to their looks were often shamed / ridiculed by girls and women behind their backs. Kind of a very strong virtue signalling. (Still probably got the pussy, but I don't know for sure.) And swole shaming was extremely prevalent. It was strongly implied (by women) that only shallow, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 07:42 PM
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Saying that women care about looks suggests that women are shallow Actually it's not uncommon for women to actively deny that they find looks attractive. Ask them what things they value in a potential date and it's likely that you get platitudes instead of the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 02:08 PM
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^ This is a good summary.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 02:04 PM
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So when a woman's getting pissy with you, as often as not her plan is to gauge your reaction to see if you get wound up. As soon as you say "I don't like you talking to me like that; don't do it", you've communicated something very important. You've communicated that she has indeed got you upset. The stronger your reaction - for instance, if there's any sign of tension or anger in your voice (and she'll spot the tiniest amount) - the more upset you are. ^ This right here. The most important less…
/r/askMRP17/11/16 07:05 AM
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she seems stressed and drained from work, to the point where she just want to go to sleep after 11-to-13 hour work days [...] She seems forever defeated, and just waiting for something to change, rather than taking the wheel. [...] she said she's tired of talking about it [...] My wife typically drinks when she comes home This sounds very much like depression.
/r/askMRP16/11/16 02:11 PM
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This is key. She can't outrun her fork.
/r/askMRP15/11/16 03:02 PM
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The universe now owes me something. This is the "Just World Fallacy". The Misconception: People who are losing at the game of life must have done something to deserve it. The Truth: The beneficiaries of good fortune often do nothing to earn it, and bad people often get away with their actions without consequences.
/r/MarriedRedPill15/11/16 12:22 PM
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This. Dead bedrooms can be reversed with RP. Sex was never as plentiful or as good as I have now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 05:32 PM
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Somebody mentioned 'red pill' on /r/deadbedrooms I got interested and looked it up. /r/marriedredpill saved my marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 01:29 PM
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People are full of shit. It is known. It's called social desirability bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/16 07:58 AM
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I think the shit tests change in intensity, but never truly stop. "It doesn't get easier. You just get better."
/r/askMRP02/11/16 03:07 PM
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Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't do it again. Unless I was absolutely positive that I wanted children and if so, much later in life. (35+) For a young man I would strongly recommend spending some time here and /r/adultery /r/divorce /r/deadbedrooms Take a peek behind the curtains and see what people and marriages are really like. Read a couple of hundred posts with comments. Then make up your own mind.
/r/MarriedRedPill02/11/16 01:11 PM
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I do enjoy reading the Stoics and they are genuinely useful, but they don't get me laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/16 03:41 PM
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There is a spectrum of conditionality from the almost nearly perfectly unconditional motherly love to a very conditional employee-I-don't-really-care-about relationship. If my son murders someone I still will love and probably support him. If an employee acts shitty and stops performing I fire him or stop paying him without thinking twice about it. Men are very capable of falling into oneitis and adore and pedestalize a woman far beyond rationality. Even the PUA veterans (Mystery, Neil Strauss) …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/16 03:29 PM
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If she is throwing around divorce at the drop of a hat, it doesn't mean she wants a divorce. It means she is terrified you will divorce her, so it is a preemptive strike. This. I've seen the same thing first hand.
/r/MarriedRedPill31/10/16 02:04 PM
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Comments like these make this sub great.
/r/askMRP31/10/16 09:13 AM
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Excellent FR. She pressed more about how I don't talk enough about what I do at work and how my day was etc. and how it's part of our life. I hear the same thing from the wife.
/r/MarriedRedPill28/10/16 03:43 PM
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Read or re-read 48 Laws of Power.
/r/askMRP16/08/16 12:56 PM
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Your wife is going to leave you because she thinks she can do better. How do you react? On the one hand it would be a punch in the gut. OTOH I've been drilling for this exact scenario for a loooong time. 80% of my efforts were preparing for single life. It would also make our situation and history very clear. I honestly don't know if our marriage is worth saving. I think about this a lot and it's not an easy call. She checking out would make things suddenly crystal clear, which is a huge positiv…
/r/MarriedRedPill15/08/16 08:18 AM
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Early in my adopting TRP , I reviewed sociological studies of later divorced couples. The general conclusion is that men do very well in all facets and women fair much more poorly . As an early form of dread I shared these studies with wife I shared these studies. Do you have a link?
/r/MarriedRedPill15/08/16 08:14 AM
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How Long? ~1 year Dread Level? around 6 How Long Married? 15+ Sex Life? 2-3 / week. Quality: best ever. Working on further improvements. Current Challenge? Lower body fat by X%. Intensifying workout routine. Improving captaining.
/r/MarriedRedPill28/06/16 03:30 PM
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