CMV: RP arguments are usually based on premises that aren't true or haven't been proven

writingtoc · 2017-04-19T20:47:50+00:00

I wonder how many comments and mini-wars this is going to spawn?

To all humans: your opinions are not necessarily facts. NO ONE is obliged to buy them as facts. And if you have nothing beyond "well I feel like they're true/they reflect my view of the world" then you don't have a single, flimsy leg to stand on. Not one that goes a single inch beyond 'this is my personal opinion,' anyway. You're allowed to have your own opinions. You are not allowed to claim those opinions have any more weight than anyone else's differing opinions, not without something more to bolster your argument.

NalkaNalka · 2017-04-19T21:41:13+00:00

This is silly. Nothing that gets discussed in purple pill debate can be proven. What we do here is to present evidence or logic to support an idea or to attack it.

You have presented no evidence that RP premises "aren't true". That is pretty ironic.

bones_and_love · 2017-04-20T02:50:06+00:00

Anything to do with social etiquette is tough to 'prove'. And statistical studies don't really seem like the right tool to learn about it. It's one of those things that needs a nice, holistic view combined with personal experience to understand. The best two sources of information on those kinds of topics are your own personal experiences and people you trust know what they're talking about. That second group could be a prolific author, a friend, your dad, doesn't matter. But they seem to know their shit and give good insights that you sorta bask in and understand better over time.

That's not such a good thing when it comes to anonymous conversations on the internet. It's hard to feel out how much you trust someone. It's easy for someone to be a phony too.

This goes for any idea on these topics. Doesn't matter if it's RP or some other idea.

IamTheWalkingMenu · 2017-04-19T22:28:02+00:00

If you're going to argue about red pill why don't you argued from the red pill sorce material rather than the ppd fun versions?

LewisCross · 2017-04-19T20:40:18+00:00

The fact that something has not been "proven" in a double blind, random controlled, peer reviewed "study" does NOT mean that the proposition being asserted is false. You don't need a study to assert that something you and about 100,000 other people have observed is true, most of the time.

I find it comical that you claim the Vaginal Aesthetics post is backed with evidence, then say that it isn't backed with evidence because supporting evidence for it would be sparse so it gets a pass.

Supporting evidence for most of what Red Pill asserts is nonexistent, because it would be politically incorrect and unpopular with most of society to study it or test the assertions made.

bala-key · 2017-04-20T09:40:32+00:00

The precursor of RP, PUA started out by anonymous dudes exchanging notes on the internet.

The outcome was a set of ideas that for many dudes worked better than their default assumptions around dating that they got from relatives, friends and the media growing up.

This was 'game' that later evolved into RP.

99.999% of the people don't base their approach to dating and relationships on journal articles or any kind of scientific research.

alreadyredschool · 2017-04-19T20:47:24+00:00

Threads usually not proven

OP provides 6 threads 4 of which prove him right. I say there are more than 6 threads, your evidence is lacking. Your thread is based on a premise that is not true or hasn't been proven yet.

adrixshadow · 2017-04-20T04:36:21+00:00

There is plenty of evidence. It's called history.

Religions have negotiated and enforced contracts on sex since the dawn of civilizations.

Also most of those posts you mentioned is CMV. If you have evidence to the contrary post it.

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LostHapaSoul · 2017-04-19T23:18:14+00:00

Much of what I'd talk about here is personal testimony, because that's usually the most telling experience of all, followed by sources from media (preferrably mainstream).

Drippyskippy · 2017-04-20T01:53:02+00:00

RP arguments are usually based on premises that aren't true or haven't been proven

This is a very general statement, which makes it an incredibly easy statement to debunk. TRP self improvement is the counter point to this statement. Hitting the gym to build muscle, dressing nicer and furthering your career (ambition, money) are all proven things that help a man attract a woman. Ask any woman who they would find more attractive, a shaggy bearded obese homeless man, or a man in a suit with noticeable muscles who drives a sports car.

duderocker96 · 2017-04-20T04:27:49+00:00

You can't prove what is in front of your face, you can't prove your life experience. Anybody with an ounce of brains and experience can relate to what RPers say for the most part, the only people asking for proof or scientific studies are the ones who don't like what they are hearing.

TheBlackQuill · 2017-04-20T05:23:47+00:00

TRP is proven based on life experience. They don't give a damn even if it's not proven by science. If in their experience it's working, then their theory is true. However, what I personally find it irritating is that, they act as if they understand women than women understand themselves, just like feminists who teach men how to act like a man. Like how they love to assign certain behavior to women, and force it down to people's throat, never mind the fact that everything is based on their own experience and not necessarily reflect on others'.

Transmigratory · 2017-04-20T10:58:16+00:00

What the hell? I expected evidence but instead I got you lamenting about posts which probably rubbed you the wrong way.

What exactly did you prove apart from TRP posts upset you?

exit_sandman · 2017-04-20T16:28:58+00:00

This user claims that women will usually prioritize looks and social status over political ideology when dating. No evidence is provided in support.

Basic logic.

I'll use the same argument as with "niceness vs. looks", only in this case I insert "political compatibility" instead of "niceness".

Imagine you had two scales: one is "looks" the other is "political compatibility". Now imagine one was 100 the other was 0 - i.e. a woman could decide between Adonis whose political opinions are diametrically opposed to hers, or a worse-than-Quasimodo whose political opinions aligned exactly with hers? Pleasue don't argue in bad faith here.

The problem with your reasoning is that you refuse to lend credit to the thesis that an entirely unsexual metric (political compatibility) does not have the same value as one that's very relevant sexually (looks).

Also, maybe you should read the post instead of just the title. The OP there wrote word for word "the main essence stands : white progressive women claim that their political/social views take priority over attraction. This is totally false to me, as I have witnessed most prioritize looks, social status, and physical over how progressive the man is. How does everyone else think?"

I.e. it more about prodding other people for their experiences.

This user claims we have an inborn contempt for highly promiscuous women and "omega males." No evidence is provided except for one personal account.

Common sense, albeit it's a bit more complicated. Feel free to read.

Feminism is a woman's view of the world, based on female needs, which are inherently different than a man's needs. No evidence is provided in support of this "different needs" idea.

What, that women and men have different priorities and needs in life? Only someone who has unquestioningly swallowed the feminist narrative refuses to believe this.

Title	CMV: RP arguments are usually based on premises that aren't true or haven't been proven
Author	HugMuffin
Upvotes	10
Comments	135
Date	April 19, 2017 8:13 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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