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Maybe being a virgin isn't the huge deal breaker you guys think. OK, so go ahead and redo this experiment with average pudgy nerd-dude pictures. (Slight problem to overcome of getting 0 responses on Tinder of course...)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 09:09 PM
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It's really simple dude. LTRs and especially marriage carry with them a large amount of risk. A promiscuous woman is less likely to work to maintain a LTR or marriage, thus compounding the risk. So sluts make poor choices for partners, in LTRs/marriages. Combine that with the AF/BB dynamic, where a woman settles for a lesser man after failing to get commitment from better men. Nobody wants to be someone's fallback plan. And what is the man who wifes up a former CC rider, if not her fallback plan…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 08:56 PM
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What about men who use commitment as leverage? They fail because attraction can't be negotiated. A man can't trade commitment for desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 08:44 PM
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A common RP theme is the 80/20 rule. The top 20% of men are having sex with the vast majority of women. Is this true? Or is the situation more complicated than that? There's a threshold. Below that threshold, a man experiences sexual scarcity. Above that threshold, a man experiences sexual abundance. I've been on both sides of this. Most men are in a state of sexual scarcity or in serial LTRs. The 80/20 rule is true enough for the purposes of understanding the distribution of sex in the SMP. Inb…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 08:28 PM
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The point is, being shunned isn't a risk when you're an omega loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:29 PM
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You all advocate not settling down, sleeping around, 'plating', etc, so I don't see how you can possibly complain about this. That's the whole point, that's why in several ways RP is a self-fulfilling prophecy because you disagree with society (in some ways that are fair and some ways that are unfair) and then adopt behaviour that ensures that the things you are complaining about get worse! Yes, it's a public goods problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:19 PM
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You assume that the men that need explicit instructions on how to be sexually successful should somehow "just get" these nuances, without explicit instruction.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:14 PM
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So just to be clear, are you conceding that no doesn't always mean no?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 04:28 PM
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the rules allow for it to be banned at any point for any reason. Even worse, the mods can just ignore rules and ban anyone for any reason or none. Yikes. That's why I was looking for evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 04:16 PM
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even at the risks of being shunned by the dominant majority group You wrongly assume that the men of TRP weren't shunned to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 04:11 PM
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What does that have to do with it? I've never posted there I say that dissent that falls within Rule Zero will be tolerated. You say it won't. I was looking for evidence of your claim. You're the one that claims dissenting opinion will be banned from there I said, three times now, that dissenters such as yourself will be banned from there, because dissenters such as yourself don't agree with TRP Rule Zero. (I'm going out on a limb by assuming that you in fact disagree with TRP rule zero). It's s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 04:09 PM
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But you also advise men not to take a woman saying no as meaning no. Wrong. I'm saying that sometimes no means other things. You continue to refuse to acknowledge this one way or another, you continue to dodge the point, because you don't want to admit that sometimes women say no but mean something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 04:03 PM
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that rule is written to allow the banning of anyone who doesn't strictly follow what the TRP whomevers' want you to say. What got you banned from TRP then? Link, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:56 PM
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As if it isn't mutual. So, you want to stoop to TRP's level? Why wold you identify with a group that not only tolerates that post, but upvotes and confirms it in comments? Because there's no social consequence for doing so. When you allow anonymity you allow people to speak their true thoughts and feelings. it's just a terrible human outlook. Well, people are pretty fucking terrible. I've learned that the hard way. I guess it's unfortunate on some level that I've abandoned the high ground of bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:54 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/about/rules/
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:47 PM
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TRP exists because a subset of men need the things that "any normal person would do" spelled out in explicit, step by step detail.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:45 PM
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lol, always the victim mentality Please, keep the contempt coming. I'll happily offer my advice and help, but the difference is that I don't play on your anger to convince you. No, you attempt to use shame instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:44 PM
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You can dissent all you want on TRP, as long as you follow Rule Zero. But dissenters such as yourself don't agree with TRP Rule Zero and so you'll get the boot.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:41 PM
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The problem I see is that TRP members have been on the receiving end of a shitty person being shitty to them, More like a stream of shitty people being shitty to them. It's best to learn how to deal with shitty people and expect people to be shitty people. But hey: continue with explaining why we're mocked. Continue telling us that we don't have it so bad after all. Continue demanding an explanation. I'm sure enough of that kind of thing will change our minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:34 PM
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Harm to women is more important than harm to men. You couldn't give a rat's ass about the problems that the men who are drawn to TRP face, but you'll gladly defend women against them. And before you respond, consider what your plan is to help lame men. I bet your response will contain "stop being mean to girls", in some fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:14 PM
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That they have a mission and they know what's required to keep the subreddit on mission. Dissenters such as yourself don't agree with that mission and so you'll get the boot.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:09 PM
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But that's not how it's described on TRP. What he described is a freeze out, an old PUA tactic for breaking through LMR. It and other tactics have been discussed on TRP. Start actually reading the material that you think you object to, not cherry picked outrage porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:07 PM
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As soon as you begin to suggest that 'no doesn't mean no', you're going down a dangerous road No doesn't always mean no. I've experienced it. Many men have experienced it. You can't wish this out of existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:04 PM
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Read around this sub and observe the denials and the acceptance of those denials.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:13 AM
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AskTRP and PPD are just insulation for TRP against the outsiders who disagree with them. AskTRP is a bucket to help keep the stupid questions off of TRP main. TRP never has to deal with dissenting opinion because Because TRP main will ban people like that in a heartbeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:08 AM
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No, what you're supposed to do is to prove that you're a sexually aggressive and socially aware man and read her nonverbal communication, which is telling you Yes even though her mouth is saying No. You're supposed to Just Get It. TRP of course is filled with guys who can't Just Get It and so need everything spelled out in detail. This creeps a lot of people out because loser men who don't Just Get It should accept their status as appliances, not get on the internet and talk clinically about how…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:01 AM
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Last Minute Resistance: Contrary to feminist sloganeering, no doesn't always mean no. I honestly don't think it's far away from RP openly advocating violence against women and men physically forcing themselves on women sexually. That time will come. This is already getting close to this. The slippery slope you fear doesn't change the fact that LMR exists. A woman saying "no" might mean "no", or "not yet", or "try harder", or "I don't want to feel like a slut so I'll say no but I really mean yes"…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:40 AM
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It's not hating men getting laid it's hating unattractive men getting laid via tactics that they've taught themselves. Naturally attractive men getting laid is fine, omegas putting on the wolves' clothing of alphas are disgusting rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:35 AM
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it has nothing to do with being against violence, but against getting themselves imprisoned. Reducing the amount of violence in one's life is generally good, but pacifism is downright stupid. Only people in very sheltered and privileged situations are "against violence".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:33 AM
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Do women care about the harm that they are causing? No. Bu they have plausible deniability. TRP does not. This is text book powertalk vs. realtalk.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:31 AM
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My question for the blue pill is why do care? The simple answer is because men are seen as less valuable than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:01 AM
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Men don't do all the same shit? I'm not trying to fuck men. Thus, I don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 12:59 AM
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doing whatever it takes to convince women to sleep with you. OK, so you've already made up your mind. You should have said that to start off with, it would have saved time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 08:53 PM
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but even after reading the top posts on each I can't really see what the point is. Here you go: "TRP's mission is to discuss men's identity, sexual strategy, and options in the context of our current global culture for the benefit of men."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 08:21 PM
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My self esteem is adequate, thanks. I do find it interesting that there's this enormous gulf between the men that need this kind of thing spelled out and the people who don't, to the point where they're all I-literally-can't-even.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 08:12 PM
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I honestly think TRPers are being so fucking obtuse AKA, "LOL neckbeard why don't u just get it".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 06:50 PM
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Because "resources" don't give a woman anything in terms of sexual attractiveness. At best they buy her things that can make her more attractive such as Pilates classes, plastic surgery, skin and hair care. Your bank account, corner office, degree, pantsuit, and/or law firm partnership don't get my dick hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/16 07:07 PM
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The reason for this sort of response is that they realize that any other response would mean that the would have to move from a position of "RP is wrong" to "how much of RP is right".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/16 05:16 PM
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Simpy put BP lack of ability or willingness to at the very least take genuine cognitive empathetic approach and see how aspects of modern society are pushing men toward rp is worrying. Something to consider is how well this supports TRP's observation that weak/lame men are despised.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/16 05:11 PM
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just came to RP for a cheat code to women and sex. -tried it once or not enough to prove the advice is wrong How can it be a "cheat code" and wrong? Cheat codes work by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 10:06 PM
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There's a difference between asking a woman what she thinks and a woman coming in and going hurr durr i'm a girl, lookit me.
/r/TheRedPill23/03/16 09:26 PM
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it amazes me that you would take these experiences and conclude that men should hide their emotions from women instead of concluding that society should change, encouraging women (and men) to embrace emotion among men. I can't control society. I can control myself. instead of looking for women that appreciate vulnerability, you want to change yourself to suit women that don't. Correct. The process of selecting for women like this eludes me. The process of changing myself does not. it's as if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 09:24 PM
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Hell, some people win consistently and repeatedly. But that doesn't mean that people who have a history of losing money gambling can repeat that performance. Those people might be better served by simple rules: Don't gamble If you gamble, don't bet anything you can't afford to lose If you get more than $40 ahead, quit
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 09:20 PM
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Here's a place to start. Note the dates on the posts....
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 09:12 PM
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There have been 3 times in my life where I've broken down and been completely and totally emotionally vulnerable to a woman. When I truly asked for and needed her love and support. Each time, she crushed me like an insect.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 09:04 PM
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Your lines are really blurry Yes, and it's a real life situation. I don't have experience pole dancing but I do have experience going to swingers' clubs and watching people fuck. My answer would be that watching people fuck is not sex. Other people might see that as infidelity. Real life has shades of grey, especially when dealing with emotionally charged situations. And sex is highly emotionally charged.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 08:57 PM
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I never even mentioned the article you linked But it is something on RP that you don't approve of. If you were to state on that blue pill subreddit "treating women like dogs is abusive" they wouldn't blink an eye, so I think it's a reasonable reference. The thing is: this stuff and more can be found in just about ANY self help book or forum outside the RP. It's nothing special or new. OK, let's assume that. There are several possible things that can be inferred: We couldn't find those things We …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 08:52 PM
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So if that's true then you have to infer one of these things We didn't find that advice in these other places We found that advice, but failed to integrate/apply it We found that advice and applied it but we're at TRP for some other (secret?) reason Curious what your view is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 08:17 PM
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I suspect that the details vary. There was a post on that red pill women subreddit that took a stab at a finer definition. I personally haven't evaluated this much since I'm not looking for LTRs. I do know that my failed marriage was partly a failure due to my not taking the lead and always trying to get buy in, even for little things. It was an attempt at egalitarianism + conflict avoidance. Edit to add: This isn't a cop-out. A rough and high level understanding is enough for me. In your terms,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 08:05 PM
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Of course I do any decent person would that's kind of our whole point at BP Cool, so now you understand my response to your question: I've gotten value from RP content that you don't approve of. Thus, I rank TRP above that blue pill subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 07:49 PM
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I don't see how this applies It's an example of those characteristics I mentioned earlier. It's not a comprehensive demonstration of those characteristics applied to any and all possible life situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 07:40 PM
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To name but one post that I've gotten value from that you don't approve of: Treating Women Like Dogs . I mean, you do disapprove of treating women like dogs, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 07:31 PM
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It's enough to show my point that you don't disavow. Care to answer mine from earlier? Oh, the comparison question? This post is shit content internet slapfight and provides no value. I've gotten value from RP content that you don't approve of.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 07:17 PM
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That's because it's so laughable to compare when the things RP say and endorse WAY overshadow ANYTHING BP has ever posted. Right, so there's no difference in principle, just in degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 06:54 PM
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No, they wouldn't, for the simple fact that "The Red Pill" to anyone that isn't a RP man is a fat neckbeard in a fedora, creeping on women and spewing misogyny from betwixt his Cheeto-dusted lips. That's the caricature out there and so that's what outsiders expect. Your woman, the one you're giving eye-rolling orgasms to, will never suspect you of that because you're not that, and she knows this better than anyone. Her shaky legs are all the proof she needs. The SJW community has put on their ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 06:49 PM
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It's sex work, although it isn't sexual intercourse. I mean, if you're at a swinger's club watching other people fuck, is that a "sexual" situation? Is it "sex"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 06:38 PM
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Women want a man who's masculine and forward and confident and such-like. Taking charge demonstrates those characteristics at a very fundamental level. Relevant recent TRP post. This is power imbalance in action.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 06:34 PM
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Right, so we have multiple BP'ers refusing to disavow. Thus to my point about losing the moral high ground to the red pill, you've willingly chosen to wallow in the mud with us. Great work!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 06:25 PM
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The vast majority of men can't afford to be sexually passive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 06:24 PM
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ha, so you agree older men going for younger women is creepy? TIL that "older men going for younger women" are the same as pedos using the internet to lure little girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 06:22 PM
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Because it helps to maintain her sexual attraction, which is essential to a man's happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 06:17 PM
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It can be simplified, why does this anger you? Because it undermines fundamental and emotionally-charged concepts that they hold. Thus "TRP doesn't work" --> "TRP only works on damaged women" --> "I don't care if it works it's wrong".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 06:11 PM
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I think there are lots of men who don't naturally crave the leadership position in a relationship and lots of women who don't naturally crave being led. It's simply a case of the weaker person in the weaker position giving in first, and the male sex drive ensures that the man will do what is necessary to have sex. Why the hell would we put the effort into developing, practicing and refining a sexual strategy? Because we want it really badly. I wonder if this is really the case - i.e. that a larg…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 06:08 PM
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You prefer and aspire to a successful relationship first and foremost. The point is that a power imbalance towards the man is healthy and essential but it isn't desired in the idealistic fantasy of a relationship. In the idealistic fantasy world we'd all be astronauts. To pay the rent we have to do other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 06:02 PM
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It's a couple of things. They haven't heard much of anyone stand their ground on being mean before. The normal script is that someone slips and says something that isn't nice, the SJW harpies shriek, and the person apologizes/backpedals/evades/goes to rehab. TRP gets called out on saying something mean and we acknowledge it and wallow in it - "And I meant it!" Second, TRP is relatively popular and growing. Wizardchan or whatever isn't popular and isn't growing (much). This is disturbing since it…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 05:55 PM
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It's not misogyny to say "single moms aren't good relationship risks, avoid them" and "lots of young women will do lots of nasty shit if they're attracted to you". But it's mean to say that single mothers are subhuman scum. And being mean to girls is misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 05:42 PM
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Do you disavow that quote?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 05:36 PM
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Your complaint is that their response to your sneering tone isn't up to your standards of discourse. I'm underwhelmed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 10:57 PM
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Your hyperbole aside, I'd stipulate that there are plenty of men who have never struggled with being bad with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 10:42 PM
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just saying that "mockery" and "bullying" are sometimes warranted when dealing with redscum. Do you disavow this?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 09:09 PM
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Come on, it's pretty funny when these SJW types lose the moral high ground to red pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 06:40 PM
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All I called you was "a person".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 06:22 PM
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Who is freaking out lol? You are. I'm attempting to orchestrate change now You're attempting to rally a mob to your side. If you were attempting to be the change you could Spend time in asktrp hand-holding the feebs; Spend time in TRP main producing quality content; Volunteer your web design skills for TRP.red; Spend time in the /new queue downvoting and reporting shit content;
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 06:21 PM
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A careful reading of this person's post will show that they don't confirm or deny that TBP is satire, or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 06:14 PM
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The only person freaking out here is you. Be the change you seek.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 06:09 PM
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You shitposted this and got banned for it: The layout of this website makes my eyes bleed. Please find someone who knows the basics of CSS and web design and get them to work ASAP. Now you're butthurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 06:03 PM
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Let's see. You shitposted this and got banned for it: The layout of this website makes my eyes bleed. Please find someone who knows the basics of CSS and web design and get them to work ASAP. Now you're butthurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 05:54 PM
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Well, I'm selective. I only message women that are hot enough and have a high match % (on OKC. POF I go for hookups). I'm also looking at 30 yo+. Basic plan is to get her off the site as soon as possible, go for the # close to make plans. Weeknight dates only for the 1st. 1st date is somewhere that has a built in excuse for kino (bar that's near a park). Have a drink, talk, transition to the park, kino, escalate.
/r/TheRedPill22/03/16 04:00 PM
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Escape from what? The mundanity of their lives. Is it that TBP is a joke sub that you dislike, it doesn't have a higher goal? I just read what they write about themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 03:56 PM
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I suggest calmly weighing options. Getting your balls cut off doesn't seem like a particularly good plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 04:22 AM
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If you're in keep-alive mode then you need to go on the date and not worry about how far you get. My rule of thumb is to escalate physically until I get a no, but I don't do day dates.
/r/askTRP22/03/16 03:59 AM
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I can see how that works, especially if your pictures are good. Bullshit messages like "Hey how's it going" and shit will not get you much pay. I get around a 5-10% response rate. About half of those go to a date, about 75% of those I F-close. The net is that it seems well worth my time.
/r/TheRedPill22/03/16 03:55 AM
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Our schedules just don't sync. So how are you planning to fuck?
/r/askTRP22/03/16 03:51 AM
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been there and wasn't worth it You do you, man. If you're happy with your results then keep on with it. Personally I'll tolerate a little waffling or flakiness, which has led to mixed results.
/r/askTRP22/03/16 03:50 AM
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Oh yes.
/r/askTRP22/03/16 03:39 AM
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I skimmed the article. It reads like the usual RP-bashing trash. Maybe we can all come to a greater understanding of the true nature of this phenomenon of ours and the reasons for it and implications of it. Those questions are answered over there ---> in that sidebar thing. Go to "New Here", and "Introduction".
/r/TheRedPill22/03/16 03:38 AM
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it also seems like that community doesn't like women very much There are a variety of men in the community. Some are very angry at women, some are not. (the language seems to be purposefully condescending). Yes it is.
/r/askTRP22/03/16 03:31 AM
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Bullying people online == "dump that mother fucker", huh. The obvious question is how much of that sentiment is driven by bullying and how much is driven by being a red pill woman/trump supporter. Because online bullying in SRS, SRD, "cringe", "neckbeard", "niceguys", TBP, etc., seems really fucking popular on reddit. A repeat of this social experiment with the political ideology changed would be amusing. Hopefully, OP, you've already done that and are holding the results. Otherwise you'll have …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 03:23 AM
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Do you have court precedent that becoming a eunuch is enough to avoid paternity fraud? Inb4 "common sense", I'm looking for precedent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 03:16 AM
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If there are four tiers of men I'm firmly in the second tier. Not a beta or omega but not a shirtless lawyer either. This is primarily OKC. Haven't tried Tinder. The intent of my approach is to maximize the number of messages while personalizing them. Scan profile for something, craft message, send, on to the next.
/r/TheRedPill22/03/16 03:00 AM
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I myself literally need to get surgically castrated in order to ensure that I will never be forced to pay any child support to an unwanted child of mine. Sterilization isn't castration.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 02:45 AM
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It can work for you if you have an IQ over 120 and some quality literacy skills. My first message: "Hi there, nice <bullshit in photo/profile>. <Question about bullshit>." Not a novel and not copypasta, no genius required. I get a reasonable response for the effort.
/r/TheRedPill22/03/16 02:16 AM
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Yeah, this is basically my online dating strategy. It works OK. Find on dating site, message, #close, text to set up date, meet, F-close.
/r/TheRedPill22/03/16 02:12 AM
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shy and submissive ... mumbling tendencies ... geek. I have no real friends ... no game ... this gut has haunted me OK, so a lot of things that you can improve on. black Check out /u/needless_pickup_line 's submission history. He has a couple posts on low SMV minorities that might be useful. How can non-stereotypical males thrive? You can be nonstereotypical, but you can't be non-masculine. Listen to Obama or Neil deGrasse Tyson or Colin Powell - they don't sound like or act like black stereotyp…
/r/askTRP22/03/16 02:03 AM
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Go to /r/ fitness, find FAQ, look at beginning weightlifting programs, pick one that looks good. Do it and do it to completion.
/r/askTRP22/03/16 01:35 AM
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Is texting game really all that important with the red pill? This is why TRP preaches "text only for logistics". You're providing her validation, she's providing you -- nothing. You need to be in person to fuck her. bout a month into a friends-with-benefits type of thing (no sex, btw. She told me she was willing but wasn't ready yet) she tells me she's in love with me. Areyoufuckingkiddingme.jpg FWB means you're fucking. She's not fucking you she's fucking with you, you're way overinvested. This…
/r/askTRP22/03/16 01:31 AM
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We Nigga please, there's no fucking "we" here or she wouldn't have been riding strange dick.
/r/askTRP22/03/16 12:59 AM
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The behavior isn't much by itself. The BP behavior isn't in pursuit of much - cheap escapism. The RP behavior is in pursuit of a higher goal. I think that higher goal is worthwhile and I think that TRP's mocking doesn't reach the point of overindulgence. In a nutshell I think that TRP's goal is much better than cheap escapism.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 12:52 AM
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If you remove enough context most things are comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 12:34 AM
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None of that makes a woman to crazy to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 12:21 AM
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Is she HWP? Because being not too fat, not too crazy, and not too ugly, is the criteria I'm judging against.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 12:16 AM
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What? I'm perfectly fine with blue haired sluts, as long as they're HWP.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 12:10 AM
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Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 11:57 PM
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Nope, it's hardened my position. The blue pill types tend overwhelmingly to be the kind of person who enjoys punishing socially retarded men for the crime of existing. It's an unforgiving world out there and these people will eat you alive, should you show them weakness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 11:50 PM
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Are that threads that attack feminism also just lashing out because they were offended, seeking an echo chamber, and cheap escapism? No, because TRP is pursuing a different and more difficult goal than that blue pill subreddit. TBP's goal is met with a shitpost, TRP's is not. You do know what TRP's goal is, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 11:45 PM
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Have your ever noticed how TRP likes to criticize and mock feminists? It's not the prime purpose of TRP. A given amount of mockery advances TRP's goal, which is why it's tolerated. If you were to read TRP on a regular basis you'd see that there's an ebb and flow, enough shitposts on a given topic and the mods will crack down. There aren't going to be any feminists on r/TRP to defend it Feminist shitposting doesn't advance TRP's goal, so it isn't tolerated. Do you see any similarities between tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 11:14 PM
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PurplePillDebate is a neutral community to discuss sex and gender issues, specifically those pertaining to /r/TheBluePill and /r/TheRedPill.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 10:15 PM
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it's not something you can simply spam as much as you want, without any consequences. Hence the many references to the first rule of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 09:38 PM
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I'm saying that the vast majority of what's wrong(*) with TRP comes from beta/omega men. This is because the vast majority of the readership of TRP is beta/omega men, because that's who TRP is for. It's nearly a tautology. (*) wrong does NOT mean offensive
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 08:54 PM
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simply looking down on others And so the linguistic dilution goes. Eventually, "misogyny" means nothing, and everything. Personally I just replace the word with "blasphemy" to see if the text reads any different.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 08:34 PM
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What do they criticize? Things that offend them. What makes them come together to make fun of you? The need for an echo chamber of supporting voices. What is wrong with TBP? It's cheap escapism. What is wrong with TRP? Beta/omega males. Do you wish TBP were gone or are you okay with it? It's so much white noise to me. Let 'em yap. Have you learned anything from TBP? That reddit's particular flavor of social justice rhetoric transcends subreddits.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 08:31 PM
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Yes. Marriage laws aren't going to change more in favor of men any time soon, so as long as there's a large pool of thirsty betas looking to put a ring on it there'll be an equal pool of women looking for an extended payday.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 07:25 PM
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there's no incentive to. That's closer, the incentives are stacked towards divorce raping men - a 7 year pump and dump. Men not only allow/tolerate but seem to encourage/select for this behavior. Yep, getting married does that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 07:18 PM
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Some never exercise this ability, it's true. AKA, I could totally do that, I just don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 06:58 PM
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Because "feminism" is just code-talk for the feminine imperative.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 06:54 PM
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Feminist women studies major is in favor of a gender pay gap, as long as it benefits her.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 06:50 PM
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41 years old. N = 9 or 10. Almost all within the last year.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 04:39 PM
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I assumed you wanted to be informed on things you have an opinion on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 06:58 PM
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Oh, that's what you're getting at? Wasn't clear. I think you have to qualify your sample. First, are we talking SMV or RMV? Does your sample of women want to fuck, or are they looking for a monogamous partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 06:09 AM
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3 dates in and she's stringing you along. She says 5 weeks? Fine, next date is past the 5 week mark and is make or break. You F close or she's next.
/r/askTRP19/03/16 05:44 AM
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I suspect that what you really need is a foundation in RP theory. There's a couple of stickies in AskTRP that are good places to start.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 05:37 AM
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With RP, it seems like they see this is an example of pre-selection; no one else wants this guy, so why should I? For women who don't want to date a virgin, it is often just a red flag. [...] Now, I am be a bit tipsy, but these seem like very similar ideas. They're the same idea, just phrased differently. As is often the case, RP ideas are perfectly palatable to the BP world if they're phrased nicely and explained in more words. The more words there are the less the emotional impact. "Preselecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 05:30 AM
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That graph should be nothing new to anyone commenting here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 05:22 AM
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See how it evens out at 30? That's a SMV graph, not a population graph.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 04:06 AM
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No, the wall concept is founded on the fact that a woman's SMV is overwhelmingly rooted in physical looks. Thus her SMV is front-loaded and declines rapidly after a certain point in her life. The gender ratio you think is important is really the SMV curves between men and women. In other words, there are plenty of lame men on the lefthand side of that graph, and plenty of fugly women on the right.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 03:58 AM
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Ross. Calvin Klein designer shirts for $12. Downside: you have to sort through rack after rack of castoff crap, blaze orange frat bro polos, Ed Hardy ripoffs, etcetera.
/r/askTRP19/03/16 03:32 AM
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"Fun ones". Let her qualify herself that she's 'fun' (and who doesn't want to be fun?).
/r/askTRP19/03/16 03:30 AM
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Young women think theyre all very attractive but its realky due to supply and demand There's a demand for prime pussy, not so much for post-wall. The reason for this demand is that younger women are more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 03:05 AM
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She said she's not completely happy with her boyfriend; I didn't really know what to make of that. Sounds like an invitation to me. You should invite her over to talk and have drinks. "Talk" and "have drinks". See where things go. How do you make nexting look so easy? Have abundance mentality. And the way to have abundance mentality is to have abundance. Don't get caught up in one woman.
/r/TheRedPill19/03/16 02:25 AM
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promises All candidates in all elections deliver plenty of promises.
/r/TheRedPill17/03/16 04:13 PM
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I'm saying that happy people have no need of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 11:50 PM
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The difference is if he took action based on what he read. If he took action based on what he read, he wasn't happy. Moreover, this unhappiness was completely out of the blue as far as the woman testifies. So, she sucks because at the very least, she's oblivious that her love is sitting over there so unhappy that he's going on the internet for advice on how to fix things. Even if he's a passive aggressive low self esteem cretin, she sucks, because she picked him. Hell, a big part of TRP is telli…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 10:43 PM
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She sucks at picking partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 10:20 PM
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Not all women. Enough women. I thought you were here to show decent arguments... not that. I'm here for lots of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 10:19 PM
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Moreover, your values of traditional masculinity are obsolete in the modern society. But they aren't obsolete in the brainstems of women. Nobody's fighting off cave bears with a spear any more, but that doesn't mean that a woman doesn't desire a man who could fight off a cave bear with a spear. It's time to reevaluate both genders and their roles in society Nope, it's time to evaluate what women open their legs for and make plans accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 10:01 PM
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Which is not the same as the woman being at fault when a man finds red pill online Hint: I've "found" plenty of stuff online.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 09:58 PM
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A woman who picks a partner who's so insecure that he'll read an internet forum and trash his relationship, sucks at picking partners. In fact, she double sucks because women in general screen out men with low confidence. It'd be like a dude who picks a 300 pound landwhale and then is dismayed when she gets to 400 pounds and a mobility scooter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 09:56 PM
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Then can you explain your assertion of the woman being at fault when a man finds red pill online? Didn't make that assertion. Because, and track with me here, there's another explanation The two aren't mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 09:26 PM
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No, I didn't say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 09:14 PM
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Because I sympathize with lame men and want to help them. compete more successfully against you in the dating world There are plenty of women to go around. 18th birthdays and no fault divorce are putting new crops on the market every day. I don't mate guard in real life and so I'm damned sure not going to do it on the internet. Abundance, man. Get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 08:55 PM
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There is a significant difference between Sure, one allows him to make rapid progress, one doesn't. Now please explain You've had enough material cast at your feet already.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 08:51 PM
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even if you think feeding them lies will do it. Your characterization of my statements as "lies" is like saying that "Pi = 3" is a lie. Moreover it's like saying that, when you yourself have no need to actually do any calculations involving circles, and you sneer at those who do. You hide behind a facade of precision in order to sling contempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 07:50 PM
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I'm concerned with TRP's Rule Zero, and my approach to this is influenced by my experience as a formerly sexually unsuccessful man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 07:01 PM
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How does saying "you may think you're being nice, but to women, your behavior comes off as overbearing, brown nosing, etc..." difficult to understand? AKA, lol u fuckin neckbeard why dont u just get it? I've begun to suspect that the gap in shared experience and goals between TRP and others can't be bridged. I thought that the other people ITT talking about feedback loops was clear enough, but it's obviously not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 06:53 PM
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To answer this question you'll need to find women that have asked men for advice, and ask those women how good that advice was.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 06:10 PM
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But you keep using their flawed thinking to describe the situation. We speak the language that they understand, because our goal is to help them get laid. "Women like jerks" is something that they can easily comprehend and act on. It's not a plan but a mindset that allows these men to make their own plans - What Would A Jerk Do? - when "jerk" is their conception of jerks - sexually successful men that they've observed and had women complain to them about. The side effect is that outsiders peg th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 06:05 PM
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From the POV of a lame man, yes, those things are being "nice". Just replace "nice" with "supplicating" and you're in the ballpark of how these dudes think.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 05:50 PM
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Few lame men are Elliot Rodger, or even comparable. So few that it's not relevant. Most lamers are being nice instead of being attractive. And by attractive I mean more than physically attractive, I mean traits such as confidence and forwardness. You know what I'm doing on a date? I'm teasing her if she does something goofy, not sucking up to her and apologizing. I'm escalating sexually, not sitting on my timid paws for fear of offending her. I'm inviting her back to my place instead of worrying…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 05:33 PM
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Sexbots will not replace that fundamental validation that you get from fucking a woman who wants to be fucked by you, because they won't be a woman freely giving herself to you. Whether sexbots will be good enough for incels to bootstrap themselves into real women is a great question, and one I can't answer. We'll have to wait and see.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 05:13 PM
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To be a little more precise, you get more than sexual pleasure and orgasm from sex. You get validation at a very fundamental level when a woman desires you. That validation is something you get on day 1. Love and appreciation might come later.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 04:59 PM
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I mean that the analogies themselves are bad I find they work well enough. I definitely judge what RPers do with those feelings. They turn it into hateful rants... As long as they don't say that shit IRL they'll be fine. Are you literally unable to imagine yourself as a woman being shamed for sleeping with as many guys as you'd like? Sucks for them I guess. I wouldn't presume to give them advice on fixing their situation. You guys do make it difficult sometimes though. TRP ideas aren't polite or…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 01:56 AM
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it is possible the feminist and MRM can actually have shared values and common goals? I bet they can both agree that The Red Pill is awful. So there's that!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 01:13 AM
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Here's where the analogy breaks down: women aren't guns or fish or locks. Yes, all analogies are false by definition - in the Platonic ideal world. In life, analogies can illuminate a concept. Just read those posts that regularly pop up in trp about guys who internalized that view and got laid but became depressed, lonely, paranoid and shut off from the world. Ever wonder why they bothered to internalize TRP at all? The answer is that they weren't happy. But TRP isn't something that will make yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 12:25 AM
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I don't take into consideration comments from people who think this way. This is an excellent distillation of a significant portion of the BP position.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 11:46 PM
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Anger is an amplifier. You can amplify something that's constructive or something that's destructive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 08:58 PM
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Anyone who speaks in absolutes like this is attempting to influence the listener's view on the subject and isn't being totally honest because the world isn't black and white. The point of these rules is to protect against catastrophic consequences. AWALT. All guns are always loaded. It doesn't mean "living from a place of fear", it means not doing stupid shit. Pick up a pistol, check the action before fooling with it. Think about getting married, think about AWALT before fooling with it. The fou…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 07:56 PM
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TBH reading it doesn't give me the impression he's over the pain and anger. He's over it to the point where it no longer consumes him with suicidal ideation. He can function and have a somewhat satisfying sex life. This sounds like a definitional problem. For instance, what is "success"? It comes down to being successful enough, because there's always more to be had. This is similar. What's the definition of recovery from years of social and sexual failure? Recovery enough, because those years a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 04:04 PM
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But the characteristics she describes are unattractive, unpleasant, qualities. An outlaw biker might be unpleasant - violent, deals drugs, hurts people for fun - but he's masculine and attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 03:45 PM
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I’m still not exactly sure what you’re looking for here I've already pointed you to it. It's not so important for me, to repeat myself endlessly. I'll chalk it up to sneering and move along. I can’t tell what makes sense to me and what doesn’t What makes sense to you doesn't matter, is the point. You aren't trying to pick up women. You have no way of testing if what makes sense to you personally works, in general. Does this mean you’re incapable of telling sense from nonsense in askmen I advise …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 03:35 PM
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I've had more than one plate pledge her commitment without my pledging mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 03:11 PM
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but the conclusions they come are tainted because they view everything through that lens of pain and anger. In Confessions, it's clear that the author would never have come out of it if not for the pain and anger. This is also a common sentiment - some inflection point that makes these men change themselves. That's the opposite of clarity. I see no way to prove or disprove this to our mutual satisfaction. I'd say that my experiences have shown me how the world works, disabusing me of my prior na…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 05:35 AM
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What is changed by the appropriateness of sarcasm or lack thereof? Once again From your previous sarcasm you must have simply asked them any questions you had, and taken the answers at face value. And those answers must have worked out for you. If your sarcasm was warranted then it implies other conclusions. If not, cool, whatever. Yes I can. Like I said, I've stopped taking advice from women and switched to taking advice from men who are successful with women. Works much better. Why is it nonse…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 04:56 AM
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You have a good point there. A man who is still failing might still be trying to double down on equality or LJBF or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 03:54 AM
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Thanks for providing such a good example of telling someone else what they think, feel, and experience. You dodge the point that either your previous sarcasm was warranted or it wasn't. You can't have it both ways. That's because in my experience, many TRP strategies and advice are demonstrably ineffective. So you're saying that you, as a man who was a sexual failure, have determined that TRP strategies and advice are demonstrably ineffective? No you aren't saying that because that's not who you…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 03:49 AM
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Do you have a peer reviewed, double blind study to show that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 02:14 AM
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WHAT ARE YOU effectively doing to have better relationships? I've come to terms with both what I want and what the maximum amount is that I'm willing to give for it. This has led me to a place of, not happiness, but acceptance. I'm settling in a fashion that I'm content with. what are you, BP or RP, doing to make your world better when it comes to relationships? Absolutely nothing. Watching this mother burn.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 01:03 AM
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no matter how Chadish you are, there will always be girls that will consider you : guys like you There's a magic word that you can say that makes it all better: Next. Whether you fuck with her a little beforehand - "What do you mean, guys like me?" - or not, it's up to you. But that's your vest pocket H-bomb right there. Next.
/r/TheRedPill15/03/16 12:58 AM
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You think then that the numbers would naturally even out, that women would respond to men acquiring sexbots by adopting celibacy in equal numbers?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 12:44 AM
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Really? You don't think being shamed for having "too much" sex isn't similar to being shamed for "too little"? I find them remarkably similar. Sure, but the point is that there's much much more to being a sexually unsuccessful man than just the shaming you get. A sense of the totality of the matter was what I'd hoped you'd gain from those two pieces. I started out with very hostile and RP-like ideas RP-like but not red pill. No idea what that means. Can you clarify? ...con artists... Haven't see…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 12:21 AM
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Might be even a majority, I can't tell for sure. None of your ilk can tell anything about anything, absent a peer reviewed double blind study. But I remain confident of this, as much as I'm confident that the opposite is true of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 12:06 AM
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Please point to where I made that assumption. It wasn't you. No idea why you were replying in place of the other person, but that wasn't you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 12:04 AM
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I didn't say they didn't exist or that only one of them existed. I said the majority of blue pillers lack the experience of being a sexually unsuccessful, hetero male. I can see the post from here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 11:32 PM
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Another baseless asumption. I've read all the 'mandatory reading' years ago, Then why are you making such a fundamental mistake as to assume that TRP is a "set of steps guaranteed to get you what you want."? As I said, that mindset is common to newbies that wander in to AskTRP. We quickly disabuse them of the notion of guarantees.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 11:31 PM
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You think I've never had a need to understand more about how/why my actual and potential romantic partners think and feel? How half the population thinks and feels? From your previous sarcasm you must have simply asked them any questions you had, and taken the answers at face value. And those answers must have worked out for you. Again, you've never had a need to come up with answers on your own. I don't talk over them to tell them how they think and feel while they're trying to explain why I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 11:28 PM
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I think this will lead to a continuing divide between the haves and the have-nots. Sexually unsuccessful men already have video games and porn and the internet to distract them. Immersive VR/sexbots will be that much more of a draw. Sexually successful men will have that much more of a field to play in. Imagine if the bottom 5% of guys that are out there trying their beta best gave up over the span of a few years and retreated to sexbots. The men that were left would be swimming in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 10:26 PM
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Anyhoo, RP, would you say your ideas about the wall revolve primarily around white women, even more specific, smoking, drinking, hard partying women who've never heard of sun screen? No. The general principle of the Wall, that women experience a relatively sudden and sharp decline in their SMV as they age, holds true. Details vary. Lifestyle plays a factor as does race as does social class. Those things also intertwine to a degree. But it doesn't mean that women maintain their SMV forever or tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 10:16 PM
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There's no formula to relationships. There's no set of steps guaranteed to get you what you want. You haven't read a whole lot of red pill stuff, excepting perhaps links to outrage porn posted on that blue pill subreddit. Because otherwise you'd understand that what you're saying here is what gets repeated on a monthly basis to clueless newbies that wander in to AskTRP. The fact that you don't understand this leads me to question the value of this other statement of yours: I think most of us und…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 10:08 PM
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And some people are smart enough to not get held down and kicked. I fail to see the point of either statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 09:59 PM
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no I don't know what that's like and I never will. So I don't spend my time creating or consuming an ideology that tells men how they think, feel, and act, particularly in the face of express disagreement from many of them. The reason that you don't create or consume such is that you have never had a need to do so. You come from the analagous whitebread gated community and I'm from the analogous shithole. The fact that you don't even acknowledge this and just throw out a shallow attempt at a got…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 09:45 PM
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Are you referring to virgin-shaming? That's only a tiny component of it. Confessions Of A Reformed Incel is a reasonably representative, if lengthy, example of the sort of experience I'm talking about. Radicalizing The Romanceless approaches the same topic from the oblique. I think that this lack of shared experience and understanding is a critical component of the vitriol on this sub, in both directions. I think that most of you can't understand where we're coming from and moreover, don't want …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 08:08 PM
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I think that the majority of blue pillers lack the experience of being a sexually unsuccessful, hetero male.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 07:32 PM
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I don't have "objective universal truth" on much of anything at all. You don't either, but that doesn't stop you from making observations and acting on them. The principal difference is that these particular observations and actions offend you, so you want to argue me out of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 07:31 PM
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The term is ill defined. As near as I can tell ITT, "toxic masculinity" means "men doing things I don't like".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 07:18 PM
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No, it's what we observe is happening. My N-count skyrocketed after swallowing the red pill. Which, according to folks ITT, is "toxic masculinity".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 07:17 PM
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I'm never marrying again nor am I going to cohabitate. I'm not even looking to be exclusive. I don't expect any woman to stick around forever. I'll stick around as long as she's attractive to me and not too much of a pain in the butt. Does that sound like "LTR" material? Honest question.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 06:46 PM
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RP men, what do you have to offer? I'm fairly attractive, good in bed, and fun. Turns out that that's a pretty good match for what these liberated modern women are looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 06:40 PM
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I think that's the point, that their beliefs are because of their experiences. Consider this famous reddit comment: I was a former super hot chick, and now older woman... Look at the demographics of these blue pillers. They, in general, are not heterosexual men who had miserable or nonexistent sex lives. They're young women, hetero men involved in the poly/kink communities, gay men, women who snagged a reasonably attractive provider male as an LTR, naturals. The point of /u/cookiebootz is that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 06:30 PM
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Joni Ernst She looks like she should be coaching a basketball team. No thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 05:04 PM
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Because of the presumption of guilt.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 05:01 PM
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I'm just trying to find out what you-all consider "toxic" masculinity. Men who have turned to the manosphere for help generally report that they are doing better than they were, but you've heavily implied that that too is "toxic". I get the sense that you're making a "for the greater good" argument of some sort here, so the suicide question is relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 04:33 PM
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OK, so everyone else would have been better off if these dudes had offed themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 04:27 PM
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No, the point this person is making is that the tone is in fact the content, that being mean or rude necessarily means that the statement is incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 04:25 PM
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By healthy, I mean something that is generally good for you and the people around you So in other words the multitudes of men who credit the manosphere, pickup, TRP, etc. for them not sucking a bullet out of a gun would show that those things aren't "toxic" masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 04:10 PM
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Like, sexually attractive? Of course not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/16 10:13 PM
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1 in 50 is bad odds. The cost of those 49 failures is minuscule compared to the returns on the one success.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/16 10:03 PM
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Ya but There's no 'but'. OP is asking for individualized guidance. Plenty of lame dudes come to asktrp, post a few paragraphs describing their lameness, and get actionable individualized advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/16 02:01 AM
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Maybe he is asking because he actually wants a guide Individualized guidance isn't possible without knowing where he stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/16 01:49 AM
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A quick glance through your post history shows you asking variations of this question over and over again. How do you propose to figure out "who knows their stuff" when you don't know your stuff? What have you tried? Specifically, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/16 01:38 AM
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And why wouldn't group 1 just sell their car? Because they think they're better off keeping it. Doesn't mean they're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 10:49 PM
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I have read "don't get married" on that sub many times. The reason for this advice is that getting married puts a man in a very vulnerable position. Putting it succinctly, the prize isn't worth the gamble. Now what to do if you're already married before you realize this is a great question, which is what MRP attempts to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 10:32 PM
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I frequent asktrp and haven't seen anything like you claim. I see plenty of lame dudes going through the process of becoming less lame and fucking up along the way. Is that what you're talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 10:22 PM
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I dunno dude. Took a quick glance around. Here's some post-coital bliss between a brown woman and a white man: http://archive.is/xxyIJ Here's naked brown people: http://archive.is/cdl9M Here's a brown man/butch lesbo and a white woman, another pic with two asians: http://archive.is/NjXGL Looks more like some attempt at multiracial inclusion in the cartoons as opposed to a conspiracy.
/r/TheRedPill11/03/16 10:20 PM
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Whatever the quality of the advice might be on some absolute scale, the men that have implemented red pill practices overwhelmingly report better results than they've achieved before.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 10:10 PM
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them coming to TRP seems to me that they do overvalue masculinity a lot I don't think you have any idea why men come to TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 10:00 PM
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Yeah if you base your entire persona around masculinity You think that the men that are drawn to TRP have "based their entire persona around masculinity"? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 09:48 PM
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Or you could assume the opposite, which would imply that the manosphere is populated by a subset of men with shared experiences and characteristics. In which case, those men paying attention to one another's life lessons and experiences would make a lot of sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 09:47 PM
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Which will it be? A third option, which is that you present a false dichotomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 07:23 PM
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I think OP is highlighting, "Duh we're all humans." I think OP is highlighting "lol terpers XD".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 07:21 PM
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/r/SubredditDrama is that way -->
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 07:20 PM
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can't reed so gud
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 05:32 PM
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Libertarian does not mean allowing anyone with a keyboard and an opinion to use them. Where did you get banned and for what? Because your last comment on TRP main was less than an hour ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 04:45 PM
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I think you could debate cause versus effect. Did PUA make these guys into what they are, or were they attracted to pickup because of who they are? I think there's a good argument to be made that these spectacular PUA success/life failures like Mystery were/are chasing external validation because of their lack of internal validation, not that pickup ruined them somehow.
/r/TheRedPill11/03/16 04:20 PM
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And, most lame/beta men have love that is much less conditional than a woman's. Cue any one of a million stories about men staying with shitty women due to some twisted sense of loyalty, honor, or obligation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 08:29 PM
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Whatever one's opinions are on trans folks, gay folks, women, etcetera, it's clear that the author of that tweet is interested in slinging crap not dealing with facts. Homegirls killed someone with her car but she's literally the woman of the year?? And Obama won the Nobel "peace" prize. Look, most public awards are what members of the privileged class give to one another to show each other how great they are. It's our modern Western equivalent of Soviet leadership awarding each other Hero Of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 05:50 PM
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Is this supposed to show that in addition to not understanding analogies some people can't understand opposing viewpoints and logic? It points to the author's implicit belief that ideology trumps ideas. TRP hates trans folks (let's assume for argument) so therefore they must logically believe that every concept from a trans person is wrong and revolting. Since TRP doesn't believe this, haha they're inconsistent. The author's underlying epistemology is no different than some troglodyte who catego…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 05:07 PM
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You might as well write "Seriously Barack Obama, what's it like pledging your existence to a document that was written by white men who plantation farmed with negro slaves? #LULZ #FuckenGottem #MoreIronicThanAlanis".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 05:00 PM
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And with women being essentially barred from many RP discussions (totally understandable) Women aren't barred from discussion. Women are barred from attention whoring their gender. This is explained succinctly in Tits Or GTFO. Be sure to read the top comment as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 04:28 PM
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The issue is that there's an overlap between "tone policing" and "gratuitous mud slinging" and that overlap will vary with every two people that you compare. This conversation is proof enough of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 04:23 PM
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They're fools.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 04:09 PM
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On the other hand, perhaps not everything that I type into this little box is of such gravity that my masculinity is in jeopardy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 07:42 AM
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In both cases the complaint is that the person's own emotional reaction is distressing to them and prevents them from having what they perceive to be a productive discussion, and that I ought to change my words to fit them better. From my POV, their emotional distress is not my problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 07:02 AM
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I've had plenty of people in this subreddit tell me that verbalizing those sorts of ideas is hostile to women and condescending to women and disrespectful to women. I see no practical difference between their offense and yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 06:40 AM
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Put it another way, if my tone gets you upset, how on Earth do you expect to debate simple red pill ideas such as Alpha fucks, beta bucks Dread game Training women like dogs ??? Do you propose to start by telling TRP to come up with nicer names for these things, so that you don't feel bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 06:28 AM
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Gee, I wonder why BPers would view this place as a waste of time with such attitudes as this? You expect us to moderate our tone to cater to the delicate sensibilities of bloopers?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 06:16 AM
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Nah. Go hit on a chick when her fat friend is around, see what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 04:45 AM
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A man wouldn't feel the need to offend women unless he is insecure about his masculinity. I'm secure enough in my masculinity, I just do it for the lulz.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 04:39 AM
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Another guy told him to shut the fuck up. Yeah, you don't talk like that around women or kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 04:38 AM
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Yeah, but it's as if they were littering $20 bills. I ain't too proud to pick up their trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 12:57 AM
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will love and romance be considered rights in the future? Not for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 09:01 PM
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That'd be their problem not mine. My problem is to be a high value man and show women a good time. But that's all fantasy anyway. Fact of the matter is that women draw men, who spend money. This is why there's such a thing as "ladies night". This is why swingers' club rules are super pro-women. This is why hot chicks get let in past the ropes while lame dudes are stuck in line. Any venue that wants to stay in business will hire some dudes with hotdogs on their necks to throw out men who make tro…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 06:48 PM
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But I said I was concerned. Like, super concerned. And stuff. Are you using a different definition of concerned than I am?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 06:33 PM
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OK, I'll express some concern (so called) by typing some words in this little text box. Poor little women need protected by big strong men or something, whatever. Free the Ghana 13 while we're at it. I'm not going to do shit-all about it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 06:21 PM
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Like, "concerned" in an abstract way, like I'm concerned with political oppression in Ghana? Or "concerned" in a concrete way, like I'm concerned about getting by stuff stolen so I lock my door when I leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 05:41 PM
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Absolutely it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 04:50 PM
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The women that regularly get groped feel violated and may start to become scared of men in general. They stop going to night clubs, concerts and start hanging out solely with people they can trust. They'll still find a way to be around high value men. I'm unconcerned. Yeah as a man it's your responsibility to stop your male peers from groping random women No, it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 04:22 PM
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when an individual of one gender wins, so must an individual from the other gender. Why is that? Men and women have different goals when it comes to sex. Most women want commitment. Most men want commitment-free sex. Those goals can't be mutually fulfilled, someone has to lose out. Note that losing doesn't mean zero-sum, it just means not getting all that you wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 04:16 PM
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Also, male and female sexual strategies are adversarial. When one gender wins the other loses. So you're dealing with ignorance combined with people acting in their selfish interests that are opposed to your selfish interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 08:19 AM
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My point is that questions of sexual strategy rarely cross genders well, for the simple reason that they don't know what they're talking about. If a man were to reply to this question No that's horrible and mean and misleading would that make the strategy a poor one, or the advice to a woman to fake orgasms bad? Not necessarily. For instance most women are revolted by red pill concepts such as dread game. Doesn't mean that it doesn't work or that it's a bad strategy. But you wouldn't get useful …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 08:11 AM
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Do you think that faking orgasms is a good strategy for women, even if it is not something that you would want happen to you? This kind of question is probably best asked of women with experience doing this. I don't imagine that men are going to give women any better answers on sexual strategy than women give men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 08:01 AM
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What is a woman getting out of a relationship with a man that she doesn't want to have sex with? Monetary support, child care, sperm donation. A sparkly rock on her finger and a floofy dress on her soon-to-be-huge ass. A combination of a pack mule and an ATM machine, which she can coax along with sex of gradually declining quality and frequency.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 07:55 AM
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Well in the OP I specify the girl knows you're a TRPer so it's a forced circumstance for these purposes. And presumably she's OK with it. I dunno, sounds like a lot of bad things waiting to happen. She might flip out and doxx me, I might catch her wearing shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 05:19 AM
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Can you be arsed to start a relationship with someone that will oppose you from the start? What do you mean "oppose me"? I don't talk about this shit in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 05:10 AM
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There's no blanket answer. Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out remains a popular sentiment. For instance, how many racist Southern prosecutors have gotten strapped down and had a needle stuck in their arms for false convictions?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 10:31 PM
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To be perfectly honest, I have a failure in logic and humanity here. OK. You assume all rapists are falsely accused? I assume some are, because some of them are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 10:07 PM
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hanging is to kind. Curious, what kind of punishment would you hand out to false rape accusers? Since their victims are going to get something worse than a hanging, under your regime.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 09:33 PM
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"Should" is great but in reality, most people settle because most people have to settle. Do they want kids? Then they want a provider type. How many provider types are also alpha hotties? Not many and most women couldn't snag one besides, so they go for beta bux.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 08:42 PM
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A peacock's feathers don't mean much either.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 07:36 PM
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It's doubtful that you look for a partner that shares all of your interests. So why does this one matter, and matter so much to women across the board, over others? Status. Same reason that women date "up" in other aspects, status is attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 06:50 PM
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Why ought TRP be concerned with hypocrisy? Serious question.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 04:53 PM
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Education means status, so yes, education makes a difference to women. A degree is social signalling.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 03:31 PM
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Depends on how it's phrased. Well of course. Just like "alpha fucks/beta bucks" versus "When women are younger, they want to have fun and experiment. When they get older and more mature they want to find a partner who is stable". TONS of red pill truths are perfectly acceptable if they're phrased politely.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 03:29 PM
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It's hypocritical, to say the least, if you're willing to endorse this behavior outright. I fully endorse sluts slutting it up. Before you respond, consider that there are different people in here with different goals, goals that I might not share.
/r/TheRedPill06/03/16 05:47 PM
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One of the criticisms I have about TRP is that it doesn't encourage the societal customs that older RP societies had to make sure that women were punished for hypergamous behavior. That's right, because TRP isn't about saving society. Some of us are happy sitting poolside, watching the show unfold. I'm in favor of sluts slutting it up, single or otherwise.
/r/TheRedPill06/03/16 03:42 PM
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it is not strange that they will put lighter skin people to deal with them. You don't deserve to be downvoted, but it's weird to an American, dude. I'd expect the front desk to be hot and the cleaning staff to be ugly maybe, but racial segregation is odd.
/r/TheRedPill05/03/16 01:02 AM
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Two big possibilities: You were mistaking "TRP doesn't work" for "TRP doesn't work in England", but now you're right, because you've tried it and proved it doesn't work in England; You don't like TRP for reasons, and this post is the latest attempt at throwing something you'll hope will stick. I'm curious because I haven't seen people in the red pill subs saying this. Presumably some of them are from England and presumably all of them are trying these ideas out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/16 12:28 AM
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Cool. So what does that say about your prior criticisms of TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/16 12:17 AM
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Because I can easily tell you now in a couple of sentences which ideas apply to the UK, so there is nothing to discuss. So almost nothing at all in TRP applies to the UK? Do you think the reverse is true as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 11:40 PM
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The simple solution is for the people like yourself, that (presumably) have tried red pill ideas and found some of them wanting due to cultural differences, to go make /r/limeyTRP or whatever, adjusting doctrine as necessary to compensate and allow you to mack on britchesTM using wrong-side-of-the-road game or whatever it takes. The only question left is why you haven't done it. What do I have wrong, here?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 11:20 PM
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It's a bit of subculture shock to see you reds divide yourselves up. Hell, among the men there are serious divisions: MGTOW, plate spinners, MRP; Advocates for social change, Puerarchists; Someone like myself who's happy with casual sex and watching the culture crumble is going to not agree with a married man who wants to see a good future for his kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 06:10 PM
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just a rewording of common sense AKA, "lol neckbeard just get it".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 06:05 PM
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personality [...] game doesn't exist. [...] You're flat contradicting yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 03:07 PM
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The rest they seem like whiney pusedo women who want special treatment. Correct. They attempt to adopt the tactics of women without realizing why those tactics work.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 05:05 AM
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Like the one where feminism wants to kill all masculinity? Feminism, so called, is a big tent that's full of rats. A conspiracy isn't needed when a confluence of interest suffices. That confluence has been working against masculinity, but a shadowy conspiracy isn't indicated. Like calling women psychpaths who have no sympathy for men? Name-calling is the dreaded inevitable end? I'm underwhelmed. Women are poopy doody heads too. Quote me. Are you just so jaded about the toxic bullshit that it doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 05:01 AM
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If misogyny is blasphemy (something I've noticed independently) then MRAs are heretics. Heretics are worse than idolatrous savages. The savages might have to be brought to the Word and the Light by fire and sword, but they've never been exposed to it, so they'll get a chance to join as docile converts. Heretics on the other hand have been exposed to it, have rejected it, and attempt to subvert the established order.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 04:52 AM
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Well yes, but you seemed to have some smaller definition for attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 04:45 AM
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The books are worth reading but are filled with pro-free-market and pro-individual ideas. So be careful about discussing them with these profs.
/r/askTRP04/03/16 02:53 AM
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The emotional payoff of my relationships is directly related to the amount of power the other person has to hurt me by ending the relationship. Is that a causal relationship or is it coincidental?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 10:05 PM
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The story makes a point very relevant to this conversation. You don't know that a brick has an inside any more than you know what other people are thinking. What you're dealing with is probabilities and degrees of certainty. You want to treat women as blank slates because my theories are personally offensive to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 10:04 PM
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Unfortunately I can't spend the time to mentor strangers on the internet. It really is sink or swim - I can point them to shore but they have to get themselves there. "Hey, let's exploit your pain in order to help us defeat feminism!" Another common theme amongst bloopers, since this is how this all got started: disbelief that TRP's motives to help lame men are genuine, forcing substitution of wild conspiracy theories instead. What's more likely, that a bunch of lame dudes swap tips on how to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 09:54 PM
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Correct. You want to be in that state or better. What you don't want is for the other party to have power they can hold over you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 08:42 PM
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We can't know the answer to this. Dood, you probably don't know if a brick has an inside.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 08:41 PM
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Two pieces of advice. First don't get discouraged if you fail, it happens. Second, calibrate yourself. Not everyone needs full abstention from both porn and masturbation. If you find yourself getting too horny and getting stupid, take care of it, but watch yourself and your behaviors.
/r/askTRP03/03/16 07:59 PM
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The qualifier is that attractiveness in men is more than just physical looks. Looks, money, status, and game, with game being the dominant factor. Viz: was better looking than some of my friends who did way better with the ladies When I say "attractive" I mean this in the most practical sense: do women freely give them sexual access?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 07:47 PM
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It's informed speculation. You don't have to accept my analysis, you can provide your own or declare the question unanswerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 07:44 PM
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It might be a vast media conspiracy, or it might be natural. I'm going with natural - people are more or less attracted to the same things (men: see the front page of /r/nsfw or /r/gonewild, women: looks/money/status/game) and those same things are more or less natural, not the product of a secret social engineering conspiracy. Women aren't going to self report wanting to gobble down Presidential nut any more than men are going to self report wanting to bang hot teenage jailbait. So we have to u…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 07:13 PM
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You reek of keyboard jockey. OK
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 06:55 PM
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If you were to ask those women who purchased that lipstick to self report on whether or not they engaged in sexual fantasies involving infidelity, workplace power imbalances, and furtive oral sex, I think it's a very safe bet that the answer would be an overwhelming "NO". If you were to check the lipstick and pantsuit sales as driven by Hillary Clinton, then or now, I'd suspect that it's likewise a safe bet that they're not doing so hot. Sex sells, which is the whole reason that lipstick sales o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 06:33 PM
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You're assuming that bitch management is difficult or time consuming. I'm very relaxed in my relationships because I maintain nonexclusivity and I know that I can bail at any time. That allows me to passively maintain the power balance.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 06:23 PM
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What's different now is that the internet exists and it's ubiquitous. You can anonymously ask it "how do i get the womens" and get resources. That also allows lame men to congregate, whereas before we suffered in isolation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 06:08 PM
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Being attracted to someone because they have money/power is not natural. Yes it is. Lipstick sales don't lie. And that isn't even about money/power, it's about vicariously experiencing money/power. The women that bought that were fantasizing that it was them in the White House staff bathroom, touching up their makeup before their private appointment with the President... Those aren't deviants, those are mainstream America.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 06:06 PM
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Generally they do - at least they aren't too big of assholes. What men who are successful at getting a relationship have in addition to their niceness however is attractiveness. I don't think that women understand this because they're filtering out unattractive men - women see men that pass through their attractiveness filter, they don't see the ones that don't. You report this yourself when you talk about men in relationships. These are guys that passed your filter. Lame men are the ones that h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 06:00 PM
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I find that a lot of guys are very nice and romantic at the beginning of the relationship, but as time goes on this universally fades into a more relaxed state. Ah, you misunderstand the question. You're talking about men who are attractive enough to get a relationship. We aren't talking about those guys, we're talking about guys that are nice and romantic in an attempt to get a relationship. Guys that fail at that attempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 05:46 PM
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But commenting on my own youth in the late 90s and 00s; I never had the impression that the average guy was a frustrated "Nice Guy." The guys with the flowers and poetry, if they existed at all were in the tiny minority. Commenting on my own youth in the late 80s and early 90s, I was a lame and awkward young man. And so when PUAs act like their living in a world where the vast majority of guys want to nice a girl into sex, it seems to me like they are arguing with strawmen. You haven't lived tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 05:28 PM
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I'm not holding you to any standard. It's not like these lamers and incels haven't been shit on their entire lives nor is it like you have any particular obligation to help them. I'm noting how common this character of response, the just-figure-it-out-faggot, response is, in reply to some lame dude sharing a story of his lameness. If you personally don't want to be cruel and insulting and dismissive to lamers then don't. Me personally I have a good deal of empathy for them, I lack that seemingly…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 05:20 PM
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I feel like I fucked my life beyond reparation... "The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second-best time is now." I unplugged at age 38. I'm not saying that it's easy nor am I saying that I didn't waste decades of my life. What I'm saying is that there is only now and the future, not the past. You can learn from the past but you can't change it, what you can change is your present and your future. Speaking of which: I am currently struggling to get it up due to my PIED... Are you a…
/r/askTRP03/03/16 05:06 PM
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Those responses unfortunately don't even scratch the surface of what the typical lamer needs to do in order to become socially and sexually successful. In many ways your mentor spared you enormous amounts of effort, work, and despair by holding your hand - what a SJW would call "privilege". It's complex - I clawed my way out via the internet and I can't write it all into this one little box. What I can do is to point lame dudes to resources for them to begin the process of helping themselves. Fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 04:49 PM
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I got out of that problem because some asshole with a heart of gold played Dr. House for me, and I thank every day that they did. Now you're saying that your real advice is "find a generous and successful personal mentor". That's quite a reversal from lol-just-get-it. LOL Just Get It strongly implies that you "just got it" yourself, by yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 04:31 PM
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what are quality traits? In this context, high SMV traits. Traits that dudes that are successful with women have, that these covert contract guys don't. not to mention lifting That's not a trait, it's a practice that will build quality traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 04:17 PM
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It won't make it go away, to pretend I'm simply insulting you. You miss the point, which is that you are insulting to these lame dudes, whether you intend to or not. The intent to insult is assumed because it's difficult to imagine someone so unempathetic that they'd brush this off in such a blithe manner. "The masses have no bread? Then let them eat cake!" might not have been meant as a dismissive insult either, but again it's hard to imagine, from the recipient's standpoint, that level of outr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 04:11 PM
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You then read her a lesson plan about consent, showing you were aware of the letter of the law, but not the spirit. AKA, "why didn't u just get it". It's a common theme in this sub. Some nerd posts his story of sexual failure and notes that he was given false information, and like clockwork the blue pill types come to tell him how stupid he was for believing what he was told, how come you didn't just get it, lol neckbeard. Take a Prozac of something.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 03:48 PM
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You're on tilt right now, which is why I advise you not to respond immediately. I agree with the other posters there, you showed overinvestment.
/r/askTRP03/03/16 07:03 AM
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I haven't responded. Don't until you calm down a bit.
/r/askTRP03/03/16 06:32 AM
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Yet only one gender is criticized and shamed. Welcome to having a penis. There's a secret though, want to know what it is? The secret is that Chad doesn't give a fuck about being shamed on the internet for what he does, because in meatspace, there are plenty of women eager to go for a ride on him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 02:09 AM
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wasn't flaired CMV at the time. Want me to delete?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 12:56 AM
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But getting sex really isn't that hard. See, this is where incels and former incels stop reading. For us, it is (was) hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 02:25 PM
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I think you will still have those that fall through the cracks even with TRP. Probably. Doesn't mean that it isn't the best thing out there. I still think TRPS message says the key to success is to be successful. A shallow reading would show that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 02:22 PM
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Well that's a slightly different take then. A more generic way of stating that is that TRP doesn't help men move far enough up the hierarchy of needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 01:26 AM
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I think I successfully challenged the OP's view.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 01:17 AM
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I'll CYV. TRP fails to understand This is not correct. TRP has recognized and has made attempts to address the lack of community and belonging recently (/u/bsutansalt for instance). The stumbling block is that TRP ideas are extremely unpopular, and so gathering a community in meatspace is fraught with the risk of getting doxxed. It's a hard problem to crack. /u/gainzndamez is a lot safer than Jimmy from Milwaukee.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 01:16 AM
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I don't think that I'm qualified to tell the good from the bad. Maybe when I have a few more years under my belt I'll have a better perspective. I can tell what other people find offensive, but that isn't 'bad'. you're being intellectually lazy I prefer the term "instrumental'. This kind of attitude may lead you to miss out on opportunities and encounter hazards you otherwise wouldn't, in dating or otherwise. Likewise, deviating from the canon may lead one to miss out on opportunities and encoun…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 12:38 AM
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You're pretty weird. I guess. Hard to tell from the inside looking out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 11:56 PM
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A change of venue is good. It gives you a built-in excuse if the conversation stalls, it keeps her interested. But it isn't mandatory. You should be thinking more about isolation and escalation, since I'm guessing you don't have your own place. Where are you going to fuck this woman? Have a plan for that.
/r/askTRP01/03/16 11:28 PM
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Are you trying to hurt my feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 11:18 PM
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I was born in 1974. Not that that matters much, age doesn't bring wisdom. Nice shaming language though, 2/10 for the attempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 11:07 PM
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Isn't TRP mostly made up of "lame and lost dudes" who are trying to fake being not "lame and lost?" Exactly. With enough practice we become good enough faux alphas to pass as them. is there really no better way? I can't prove that negative. All I can say is that it worked for me, and it's worked for many other lame dudes. Looking around, it's the best thing that's currently going. Who else is looking to help sad sacks like OP? ITT we have people telling him to stop wanting sex (!), a crazy chick…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 11:05 PM
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The starting point has to be the man wanting to pull himself out. This requires if not self esteem at least a certain amount of grit. I don't think OP is there.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 10:54 PM
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who enjoy sexual fantasies of submission from dominant and pro-active women. I don't think the dominant part is as important as the proactive part. Consider the manic pixie dream girl. Think about the repeated question from lame dudes to those AskLamers subreddits about how to get women to initiate/why women don't initiate. Basically they play the part of the man by initiating and escalating sexually, so that lame guys don't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 10:38 PM
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The difference is that you see this as a philosophical exercise, you got me with your clever rhetoric and dialog and suchlike. Meanwhile I'm over here trying to get my prick sucked. Imagine a balance scale. On the one side: a collection of ideas that helped me get my prick sucked. On the other side: OP's philosophical objections, your arguments, whatever. If you or OP or anyone else with a philosophical objection can improve these ideas without throwing the good out with the bad, then we'll list…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 10:34 PM
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They aren't going to because people care about their own feelings more than they do about loser men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 10:20 PM
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Do you even lift? Answer is no, or you wouldn't disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 10:16 PM
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If you did proposition your co-workers in an appropriate way, it wouldn't be considered offensive. My job is more important than some tail. Screwing coworkers is a great way to get charged with sexual harassment. Foolish chance to take over a chick. And not everyone wants to sleep around OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 09:58 PM
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If you worked in an office If I worked in an office I wouldn't proposition my coworkers either. Doesn't mean that I can't effectively firewall my personal life from my professional life. Instead of advising him to become something that he himself already recognises he will probably never become I'm not going to assume that OP wants one thing or another, aside from social and sexual success.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 09:46 PM
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If I replace the word "misogyny" in your comment with the word "blasphemy", it reads the same. Neat. because you all come across as being so happy. Look at the pot calling the kettle black.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 09:08 PM
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Heck I'd probably even sleep with them These dudes are emotionally repulsive and probably physically nasty too. But like you said they don't want pity sex. They want desire. I have no clue how to help them. We do, because we were once those same guys. We pulled ourselves out of incel hell. The process is repeatable by other men. What it isn't is nice, nor is it easy. It's hard fucking work to undo a lifetime's experience of social and sexual failure, it's not something that can be done with inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 08:34 PM
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He would end up ignoring a flirt thinking, "no way she would want to flirt with me, I'm worthless" Absolutely he will. Assuming that OP takes steps to begin to improve himself, he will uncover and miss opportunities because of his own self doubt and his own sense of personal worthlessness. You know what cures that? Validation. Because every missed opportunity stacks up like water behind a dam, and eventually he'll reach out with a tentative little horny paw, and bam - it works. He doesn't get re…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 08:28 PM
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It's easy to say when you have a collective body of experience of men who have made their way from where OP is to sexual and social success. This isn't theory, this is practice, and this is by now, well-worn practice. OP isn't really special, he's another lame and lost dude. It's difficult for people who haven't experienced OP's circumstances .
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 08:21 PM
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I thought that was the TRP message. I can see how a shallow reading would lead to that conclusion. Getting the tail won't help if the man still feels he is unworthy of love. You jump from A to Z without understanding that there are steps along the way. At the moment OP is stuck in the situation where he isn't getting laid and he can't get laid and this all proves to him that he's unworthy of getting affection. Meanwhile he sees the unending tide of people who are objectively shittier than he is,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 08:16 PM
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They don't want pity sex from a stranger over the internet. Nor do they want pity friendship. They want a genuine physical and emotional connection. They want to be desired. You aren't offering that and you aren't offering them a way to get there. Does this mean I am disgusted by them and think they are weak and pathetic and don't give a fuck about them? We're talking about women in the aggregate. Maybe you want to mother hen these lost dudes, but /r/niceguys, /r/TheBluePill, /r/neckbeardstories…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 08:11 PM
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That's a part of it, sure. But OP needs to work on making it while he's faking it. Just putting on a mask of masculinity won't help him develop masculinity by itself. Just faking it is easy enough, you can have it down after a while. But then what - where do you go from there? Answer from the blue pilled world is akin to "just figure it out fagget, fake it till u make it lol". Not helpful. Not a plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 08:00 PM
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the need to be validated by everyone of the opposite sex you meet is not healthy. OP doesn't want to be validated by everyone of the opposite sex, he wants to be validated by someone of the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 07:57 PM
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Only way to solve these issues would to go back to 50s era sexual marketplace, I do fine in the ca. 2010 sexual marketplace. Admittedly, that's after putting in a lot of hard work to change myself from omega loser to faux alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 07:52 PM
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Remember, this is women offering you (platonic, very platonic) friendship. This isn't a woman that's offering you her pussy, because she isn't attracted to you. She isn't even offering you advice on how to get pussy, heck she's never had to go hunt for pussy herself as a lame and desperate man. She's offering to "listen" and telling you there is nothing more she can do. /r/ForeverAlone will "listen" to you. If you want to fix yourself, you need more than a hug.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 07:49 PM
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Plausible deniability. She doesn't want to feel like a slut or look like a slut to her friends, so you give her a story that she can tell that allows her to hamster out of sluttiness. For instance, you go for drinks near the park. After drinks, you go for a walk (kino), find a bench to sit down (more kino), make out. You invite her back to your place to see your art glass collection. She accepts, you escalate, oops, she falls into bed with her legs open. The story she tells her friends and the s…
/r/askTRP01/03/16 07:44 PM
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Does anyone else ever feel this way? Yes. What's my problem? Ignorance is bliss is the problem. It's part of the human condition. As long as you can muster the self discipline to stay out of willful ignorance ("this latest woman just has to be the unicorn of my dreams. you can only have so many failed marriages, am i right? haha") you'll be fine.
/r/askTRP01/03/16 07:34 PM
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Men who are social and sexual failures might well be "neurotic". Certainly they aren't normal or successful or healthy. Labeling them with more syllables doesn't change the situation, it just allows people to put emotional distance between these men and themselves. I say, call them what they are using as simple of language as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 07:25 PM
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I just don't understand how bluepillers are able to SEE this, that the vast majority of /r/Foreveralone, /r9k/, Sluthate, RedPill etc. are all men and not think that there is a major societal issue facing men right now What do you expect from them? Empathy? Understanding? Mercy? Get this, and get it real fuckin good: weak men are despised by society at large and by women especially. Women don't care about your sexual needs, in fact they feel repulsed to discover that loser omegas have them. They…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 07:17 PM
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Dude this isn't a porn shoot. That kind of shit is a tremendous turn off for chicks. It's creep city. Yes, somebody with ultra tight game could pull it off, but that person wouldn't need to worry about a false rape charge anyway.
/r/askTRP01/03/16 07:01 PM
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Self-actualization is the name of the game. That means, women aren't the end-all, be-all of your life. Once you get an abundance of women, you need to start looking for something more meaningful.
/r/TheRedPill01/03/16 06:58 PM
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Maslow's hierarchy of needs.. It's easy to confuse the level you've obtained for the level you want. You want to move up the pyramid, not get more of what you have at your current level. Self-actualization doesn't exist at the bottom of some slut's pussy.
/r/TheRedPill01/03/16 06:56 PM
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Would you have done it just to have done it? I mean, this girl is pretty gross. No, I've got standards. Low standards but they exist. "Pretty gross" doesn't get my dick hard.
/r/askTRP01/03/16 06:46 PM
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Not really, written consent is so much fantasy.
/r/askTRP01/03/16 06:45 PM
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The balance is between keeping her interest and exposing your neediness to her(*). Here's what I would do. Go out for your birthday without her. Doesn't matter if you can't think of something fun, just go do something. Live music at a bar, whatever. Next day text her, "Hey, saw a band last night, it was a good show. Too bad you missed it" or whatever. Let that one sit there for 3 or 4 days. Meanwhile you need to work on your oneitis for this gal. You haven't even fucked and she's your "girlfrien…
/r/askTRP01/03/16 06:44 PM
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What the fuck does this mean? Only she knows at this point. Maybe she's sick. Maybe she's busy. Maybe she's grounded for coming home at 2 AM from a date with a dude that isn't from the snake-handling church her parents attend. But I at least want some closure Calm down Beavis. It's been a few days. Wait a few more before texting her again. My birthday is tomorrow, I was planning on fucking her tomorrow as my present. Make alternate plans that aren't emotionally tied to this chick. Tell me what I…
/r/askTRP01/03/16 06:22 PM
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What are your thoughts on this, and how much, and when, should a man smile if he is gaming a woman? What you don't want to do is to be ingratiating/supplicating, demonstrating lower value. Other than that, do what you do best.
/r/askTRP01/03/16 06:18 PM
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Mate guarding is what dudes do when they're concerned that they're going to lose their woman - that her value is greater than his. The real question is why her value is greater than yours, and what you can do about that. Spill the beans, OP: what's your deal?
/r/askTRP01/03/16 06:16 PM
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It takes a LOT of work for a man to look "too cut" or roided. Most dudes that worry about that are looking for an excuse to not put in work. Any man that expresses that concern, have them post a shirtless selfie.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 05:53 PM
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OP's issue is that he wants to rationalize his choice to give up in the SMP and accept whatever he gets. "Muh genetics" is foreveralone V2: rather than just sit there and cry they want a reason ('reason') for sitting there and crying.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 04:38 PM
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I'm confident that if you were to ask them they'd all affirm that they were above-average intelligence. Hmm, that's another reason to push the "Smarter? Then lift more." meme. Not too many people are going to cop to being stupid enough to not hit weights....
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 04:25 PM
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TRP doesn't care about tone or language one way or the other as long as you obey Rule Zero. It's what makes that place different from most forums, because of that central focus, it makes the accepted behaviors very clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 04:22 PM
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Observation: the low intelligence/high testosterone, thug/criminal types aren't the ones on the internet crying about how they don't have a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 04:19 PM
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A dude who's jacked as fuck is going to have far more success in the SMP than a dude with an IQ of 160. Supergenius-level intelligence is probably a contraindication of sexual success. So yeah, the smarter you are the harder you need to hit the fucking iron to compensate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 04:09 PM
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http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Concern_troll An example would be someone coming to TRP main to say "Guys, I really appreciate what you are doing here, but I'm concerned that the tone makes you look bad. Can you not say things like <rude thing>? It seems so unnecessary." In reality it's usually more subtle than this, but that's the basic idea - moderate the message to assuage the feelings of outsiders. It's difficult to tell true concern trolls from well-meaning idiots so TRP throws them both out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 04:06 PM
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Several things to note here: You can't change your height or your face, but you can change your body. Work on what you can change not what you can't. All things being equal, a man who's muscular looks better than a skinnyfat. Workout and diet have more effects than just appearance: increased testosterone, increased confidence, development of self-discipline. The actual investment in terms of time/money isn't that large. 90% of attractiveness is not face/height. Looks, Money, Status, Game are the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 04:02 PM
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This actually raises the question of accountability, let's say if we apply it to mainstream media. They're accountable to their owners, and eventually accountable to their bottom lines. Not accountable to anything else. I would have to say that I'd argue the reasoning of not implementing a enforcement policy on profanity in a discussion board Speaking of TRP main specifically, the loose reins on language serve several purposes: It allows men to speak freely on otherwise blasphemic topics. It enc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 03:52 PM
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Is language being utilized in a passive aggressive presentation in order to appeal to emotions and incite a moral/ethical decision that implies consequence (guilt/shame) if the position is countered? Of course. Look at the typical TRP hate CMV post by a blooper, or the weaseling they perform over the "nice guys" phrase. Controlling the terms and tone means controlling the debate. That's one reason why TRP doesn't police 'rude' language.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 03:34 PM
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...why are you still lowering yourselves to negotiating with them... We aren't negotiating with them, we're warning our fellow men about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 03:26 PM
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That's great and all, but empirically they work. They work much better than the things I was using before anyways, and red pillers overwhelmingly report the same. It's not like OP is offering an alternative that brings even better results. Now if he could, we'd drop these generalizations in a heartbeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 03:23 PM
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Nigga you know what I'm asking. Is she hot? Scale 1 to 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 03:53 AM
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Is your wife hot?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 03:50 AM
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Point being that those women, however many of them there are, might as well be zero women, because they aren't of any use to me. Again y'all act like TRP is some kind of academic exercise. It's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 01:21 AM
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Even if all of this was true, the fact remains that there is an abundance of perfectly adequate women available to me - an abundance that wasn't there pre TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 01:09 AM
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Why would I care for marrying up a virgin? This isn't some ivory tower academic exercise, this is about chasing tail.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 01:00 AM
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What's wrong with the theory that these ideas work, more or less?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 12:01 AM
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The sexual marketplace doesn't need to be zero sum for you to recognize that there's winners and losers. Single mothers = losers. Beta orbiters = losers. Divorce raped men = losers. Etcetera.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:16 PM
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I have no idea what you mean. I screen out women that are too fat, too ugly, or too crazy to fuck with.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:11 PM
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I can have too many women to handle if I choose - true abundance. What does it matter at that point if this is a minority or not? I've got enough - more than enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 07:55 PM
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OK, but so what? "Snakes are dangerous don't touch them" is equally not true, but not the worst advice if your goal is to not get bitten by a cottonmouth. Call it what you like, but "dating advice from women sucks don't listen" is reasonable advice for a lame dude who's looking to get better with women. I guess I'll cop to confirmation bias or whatever but at the end of the day I'm looking for results.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 07:26 PM
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Absolutely I have found advice, from women, that contradicts my notion of what women's advice is. But I can only find it serendipitously, and I only notice it now that I have a reasonable set of tools of my own. How does this help prove (or disprove) my confirmation bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 06:48 PM
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If you lack the imagination and wit to make use of the advice I've given you, it's no wonder you need the redpill. AKA "haha stupid neckbeard why cant u just get it lol". This comment chain is a microcosm of what lame and awkward men who reach out for help receive in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 06:32 PM
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If all you want is sex, go find some Gorean women Right, if you want sexual success, go obtain sexual success.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 06:24 PM
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This? They believe that there is exactly one reality, and that truth is what accurately describes that reality. The better a statement describes reality, the more true it is. They are factual absolutists. I agree with the statement as written.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 06:23 PM
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Sacrifice your need to get laid immediately for strong friendships with benefits or a LTR relationship with a high libido partner. So your plan for sexual success is to obtain sexual success. Good to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 06:17 PM
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I guess you've lost me with your clever analogy. Red pill ideas work for my goals. Are you saying that they really don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 06:13 PM
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Please answer my question regarding proving or disproving confirmation bias first. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 06:12 PM
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Problem is that I want to get laid, not start a quest to hijack the NSA to conduct a multigenerational social experiment. What do you suggest that I do in order to get laid in a reasonable amount of time? One suggestion is to follow a set of canned advice that other men have used to get laid. I am open to other, equally fruitful suggestions. Please provide them in reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 06:11 PM
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OK, so I have before and after results. Before results were not good. After results are much better. Many other men report the same thing. Do you suggest that I continue with the things that I started that appear to have induced the "after" results? Why or why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 06:09 PM
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OK, so everything that works works and everything that offends you offends you. The two aren't mutually exclusive but there isn't much overlap you will admit to. The only question left is which category generalizations fall into.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 06:05 PM
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I'm interested in what's useful. Empirically, what's useful is true. But from the context it's clear that isn't the definition of "truth" that you want to use. You want to use some sort of Platonic ideal of "truth". For instance, if you were to ask me if Safeway was open right now I'd say yes, it is. But I'm not at Safeway and so therefore you could say that I have no idea if that's true or not, haha gotcha terper. That's "true", but it isn't useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 05:58 PM
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As I asked elsewhere, how would you attempt to prove or disprove such a bias? Would you suggest that I conduct a double blind, peer-reviewed study on my sex life?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 05:54 PM
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It doesn't follow that a theory has to meet some arbitrary threshold of quality that you define, in order to be useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 05:46 PM
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Ok, but you do realize that you're engaging in some pretty hardcore confirmation bias, right? How would you suggest that I confirm or deny that? Perhaps a peer reviewed, double-blind study of my sex life, pitting TRP ideas against a control?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 05:38 PM
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If our generalizations are really invalid, then how do you explain our success with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 05:30 PM
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It is sexist to not pay attention to what women say, because they're women. The problem is that sexism is blasphemy in this culture. You don't go into the Church and spit in the holy water, you don't take down the portrait of Lenin that the Party has put up on the wall, you don't say sexist things out loud. Don't try to argue with zealots, they'll burn you at the stake for heresy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 05:20 PM
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At this point I have no idea what point you want to make. The point you've made is that incels need to go fuck whores, cuz that's all they're capable of getting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 05:15 PM
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Because it leads to good results. For instance I don't listen to the dating advice that women give, because they're women. Turns out to be a fucking fantastic idea because women give shitty dating advice to men. This isn't some holy SJW crusade for fairness or some seekrit girl-haters club, this is about real life results.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 04:51 PM
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People that aren't ready to be unplugged.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 04:47 PM
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"Nothing can save them" is speaking in future tense. Look, it's fine to tell loser men that they ought to give up and pay for whores. But that's not what TRP will tell them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 04:42 PM
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Dood, you just stated that those dudes' only option was to pay whores to fuck them. Now you're saying "oh yeah i can totes help them too"? Doesn't pass the smell test.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 04:33 PM
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Nothing can save an unattractive, boring guy, with no social skills, except TRP does a pretty good job of turning these guys around.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 04:27 PM
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I think that TRP uses this label to ban ALL discussions on race and dating. A quick search of TRP main for "race" leads to Race to the Top: A Guide for Low-SMV Minorities. I think you're full of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 10:08 PM
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most men come to TRP because they want to be successful with women, then leave more bitter and jaded than they were when they walked in. Doesn't pass the laugh test.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 08:58 PM
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I've already given you my opinion on sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 11:09 PM
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You mistake this as some sort of abstract existential crisis. I can promise you that it isn't that at the root of it. The root of it is a profoundly unsatisfying or nonexistent sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 11:05 PM
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You're a woman and so benefit from the pussy pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 11:02 PM
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This sounds great and all but one thing that it doesn't sound like, and that is simple. TRP is nothing if not simple and straightforward. Simplistic and ignorant and brutal, one might call it, and they wouldn't be wrong. And why is the redpill unable to find a way to seduce anyone based on their best traits? Because seducing them by appealing to their base traits works, is much more straightforward, and has a better chance of working on any random target. Do you really think women don't have any…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 11:01 PM
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No, that's how women who think they are entitled to a man's commitment see me. Like I'm some kind of object that they can use for what they think they're entitled to, just because we had sex. Like, they have 10 fucking holes punched on the "we fucked" card and now they get a free commitment out of it. Women who talk about marriage like it's some kind of right, and then they go ballistic and accuse me of misogyny when I say no. It's my body and my choice, I have a right to say no to marriage if I…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:49 PM
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That' I'm obviously abusive/controlling/sick in the head because I can't derive sexual pleasure from a partner that's equal to me. I need to feel superior to them and be in control in order to feel pleasure and that that makes me a bad person. To be perfectly clear, I don't share the opinion of the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:44 PM
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You do that, honey.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:41 PM
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When you've got to simply ignore everything your critics say about their own sex lives I ignore the "advice" that gets thrown around in this subreddit when it comes from naturals, women, gay men, and others who don't share my background. When I hear something that comes from a hetero man who was formerly a sexual failure and has pulled himself out of that, I'll listen. Not everyone's advice is created equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:38 PM
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Who cares about "society"?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:31 PM
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I find that they're served me well. If it's such a mixed bag then somebody out there is missing the boat big time - just sort the wheat from the chaff and bingo, a winning set of ideas. The fact that such a chaff-sorting hasn't happened implies to me that there isn't much chaff to sort out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:16 PM
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Men aren't vending machines that women can put sex coins into and expect to get commitment out of.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:12 PM
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If I wrote a story of how I was only able to orgasm with a woman who loved me, but whose love I openly didn't reciprocate, with whom I was rough with during sex, the response from the internet would be pretty clear. Anyways: Wouldn't RP philosophy state A common question from newbs is "how do I get this one girl?". The answer is "you don't". These concepts aren't about getting that one girl or any girl in particular, they're about getting women in the aggregate. In general, RP ideas work and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:10 PM
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RP advice gets them laid. Once they can get casual sex more or less on demand they can calm the fuck down and look at things more objectively. I've made my peace with the way of this world, but I wouldn't have gotten there if I was still gazing at pussy like a hungry dog.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:03 PM
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Obviously dude has tight game. But recognize that OP is really asking "should I just give up and not try?".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:01 PM
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That's a funny definition of disgust. Almost as if women are somehow entitled to a man's commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 09:59 PM
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No, sluts are great for fucking and having fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 09:51 PM
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For example, TRP would never say, "Because women are more generous and charitable, you could try voluntering at your local animal shelter to meet women." That's because there are far more sluts on Tinder than at the humane society.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 09:11 PM
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Alternative models and women that went for bad boys in their youth for some NSA sex. So in other words, young 9s and 10s go for self obsessed alpha men? Golly, what man would want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 08:42 PM
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But are there any men who realistically simply can't reach any semblance of "alpha"? How about a crippled midget?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 08:31 PM
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Yup. And he has enough money from that to live in luxury the rest of his life. Unlike dude in question here.
/r/TheRedPill27/02/16 08:19 PM
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I knew there was a reason I'd ignored you in RES.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 11:33 PM
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I remember seeing a lot of "this TRP stuff doesnt work lol" or "im not sure if it works but its mean". Not so much anymore, the prevailing sentiment seems to have shifted to "it works but its mean" and "its all common sense except the mean stuff".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 11:29 PM
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true human connection Love to see a definition for this, and how that definition differs from simple naivety.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 11:24 PM
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So rare it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 11:22 PM
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What do you think of his attitude (paying for those two chicks' checks Trying to "be nice" his way into the one chick's pants. Basic beta move. and not paying mine)? Trying to avoid charges of sexual harassment is my guess. Not surprising that he made it weird, basic beta move. Normal? Unfortunately yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 11:19 PM
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the way redpillers think a man should behave DOES NOT build attraction. It works just fine in my experience. More and more women are getting aware of this strategy, What strategy is that? The "common sense" stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 11:13 PM
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These circumstances aren't relevant to the behaviors. And is getting tail the end all and be all to life? Irrelevant whether it is or isn't. The SMP functions how it does. Men who want to be successful learn to adapt.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 09:00 PM
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I'm observing that jobless loser alphas do far better in the sexual marketplace than successful betas. Fast forward through that video to check out the prime tail bopping along to his music. Skip through that article to see the dripping contempt for beta males. Compare and contrast the two. That's alpha vs. beta in a nutshell. Just because you don't like the reality of the sexual marketplace doesn't change the reality of the sexual marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 08:51 PM
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The difference is that Lance Armstrong was independently wealthy and was a celebrity in his own right, besides.
/r/TheRedPill26/02/16 06:26 PM
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Absolutely. Dude's appeal isn't coming from his talent. Remember Jon Gosselin?
/r/TheRedPill26/02/16 06:26 PM
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Yeah I'm blue, but I agree that TRP works. This is becoming a serious trend in this subreddit. Very interesting sea change.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 06:21 PM
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How do women generally do after they get married?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 04:18 PM
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I'm not asking you to evaluate the comment on its upvotes but rather on its merits.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 06:04 AM
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Also, when you're saying "you're wrong", you could ya know , provide like some sort of explanation. It's currently the top comment in this entire thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 04:38 AM
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Why on Earth do y'all want to argue definitions of terms? We're not going to change the lingo to your tastes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 04:13 AM
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The reason why RP took it down was because it WASNT RP advice. You're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 03:12 AM
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being wrong about the theory isn't violating Rule Zero. You're right, my bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 02:03 AM
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I don't give a fuck what some dude considers himself, I'm talking about reality here. And a 50% success rate would be phenomenal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 12:49 AM
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Is this for you personally OP, or are you looking for trophies to take back to that blue pill sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 12:44 AM
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I'm saying that if a dude is getting laid like tile then he's fuckable. If you get the creep vibe from him then it doesn't matter, because there's a line of eager poon behind you, which is interchangeable with you. Just because you won't touch him doesn't mean he's socially awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 12:40 AM
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Basically the post was in violation of TRP Rule Zero. Not because OP is a bad guy or wasn't trying, just that it was disjointed and wrong. Not all wrong but wrong enough. How about this, why didn't you or some other mod comment and correct his interpretation of DGAF instead of taking it down completely and shutting off all dialogue? Not a mod, but I can speculate. Easiest explanation is that nobody has time to get into it over the matter. Doing that in public would just lead to a whole lot of ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 12:38 AM
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His relationship with them might be dysfunctional but she's happily gobbling his nut down in the bar bathroom. That's what I mean by fuckableness. Fuckableness doesn't mean that he remembers her birthday or even her name. because I know many alpha men who are seen by many women I know as creepy and bizarre. You need to be more specific. Are these dudes that are getting laid like tile? If not, not what we're talking about here. If so, it's your friends that are the weirdos.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 12:27 AM
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A classic sociopath is about as far away from socially awkward as you can get. We're not talking about niceness we're talking about nerds staring at their shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 12:19 AM
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The terms are vague and are used sloppily. Worse is that the characteristics that they describe overlap to some degree. To answer your question, some betas are socially awkward but all socially awkward men are betas or worse. Think of these two characteristics: Alpha=fuckableness Beta=provisioning High Alpha, High Beta: Christian Grey or whatever. Doesn't exist for 90% of women High Alpha, Low Beta: Chad. The dude women fuck when they're younger and having fun. Low Alpha, High Beta: Beta Bux. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 12:12 AM
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"More attention from the mods." That was specifically addressing the point that there has been much worse than this post survive for much longer in TRP main. way less probable that they went through a huge round table Well yeah. Moderation of 150K is a thankless task. there's something there that definitely should be looked at further. I completely agree and I've said so throughout this thread. The post isn't all bad, it's worst component is the lack of coherency with regards to the concept of D…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 12:05 AM
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Because you want to maintain the balance of emotional power in your favor. This isn't just "emotionally puking over everyone you meet" this is specifically with regards to people that you choose to be 'vulnerable' with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 12:00 AM
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The key here is disproportional investment, avoidance of same.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 11:57 PM
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Not sure what that means either. Don't commit? Don't invest? Don't focus? Don't obsess? There's a minimum set of words that can be used to encode and demonstrate the concept. DGAF or any other pithy phrase can really only reference that concept, not explain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 10:51 PM
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It's a fair point. In TRP's defense we actually have material that explains these things as well as give step by step guidance - unlike the JBY'ers. But people still have to find, read, and practice that material. I'm not sure that there is a pithy phrase that can encapsulate all of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 10:45 PM
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What should I take home from it? What's your goal here? If we distilled this down to just one question, would the response be any better? Q: "Dad, I'm not good with girls and I'm lonely. Can you help me?" A: [...] Could you reasonably expect any helpful answer to that question? At the end of the day is that, like so many other awkward young men, you need to make your own way as best you can. Having an absent/beta/loser father in your life is a significant detriment to your development, but you n…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 10:38 PM
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I'm not saying that it isn't worth it, only that it's hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 10:05 PM
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Manson reads much better if you put "vulnerability" in scare quotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 09:07 PM
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There's an argument that a popular and somewhat insightful but fundamentally wrong post should be removed ahead of obvious trash. Obvious trash is obvious, while OP's post added confusion to an established term of art. In other words, credible mistakes are worse than obvious mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 08:56 PM
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Many, many men feel they've stifled their creative, rebellious, unique selves in favor of the self-improvement route. Instead of taking RP as a simple guideline and peripheral addition to their lives, they've centralized these notions of IDGAF/AWALT/oneitis/etc. into a core, almost religious ideal. Balance is difficult, especially I think for the kinds of men who are drawn to TRP. We tend to be shaded towards the autistic side of the spectrum, there's a reason for the references to spergs that y…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 08:53 PM
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I'm not saying that OP's heart wasn't pure or that he didn't provide some value. I'm just saying that the post was a mess and that's why it got removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 08:45 PM
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It's not OK to be more invested if it affects your actions. It's like the beach scene in Saving Private Ryan. "Being brave" there doesn't mean you aren't scared, being brave means not letting your fear affect your actions. Similarly, DGAF means acting as if you don't give a fuck, even if you do. Like I said, the post was a disjointed mix of good and bad. But the implicit misunderstanding of what DGAF means is what sunk it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 08:19 PM
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Shitposts that get a lot of attention are going to get more attention from the mods too. It's the way of the world. did a good job of re-framing what the DGAF attitude means No, it didn't. DGAF is about emotional investment. All of dude's examples show that. It's just that he doesn't say that. Worse, he calls examples of DGAF "giving a fuck". It's a mess. literal interpretation It's a problem with terms of art, they aren't understood, or are only read superficially. Like the tards on here that r…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 08:03 PM
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I can see why the post was removed. There's a lot of good in this post and a lot of bad. The unfortunate mixup in what DGAF means is what sinks it. The real point behind DGAF is not to be some sneering asshole nor is it to be a wallflower. It's to not be more emotionally invested in the matter than she is. That's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 07:41 PM
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Scripts allow people to be lazy. Absolutely they do. The root question is whether, on balance, such laziness is good for them ("efficiency") or not ("laziness"). One way to perhaps examine this is to ask yourself what your goal is and if your method will help you get advance towards it. The answer to this question might change with time. One's goals might change with time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 06:50 PM
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I'll CYV: you aren't describing entitlement you're describing weakness and a lack of self-awareness. Women are repulsed by weak men and double repulsed by weak men that show sexual interest in them, for the other reasons you state.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 06:18 PM
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Everyone accepts some arrestment/retardation in all of their activities because their resources are finite. Most people won't accept that, let alone say it out loud. I'm going to assume like most red pill guys you want a girl with a low N-count, right? No. There are several camps within RP on most big issues and they don't necessarily agree. For the purposes of sex you can split them into plate spinners and LTR seekers. LTR seekers are looking for the low N count, preferably virgin, younger, wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 06:15 PM
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Yup. A childhood therapist ruined that profession for me entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 06:07 PM
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We do resent the burden of performance. It's wearying, to stay on point and on game all the time, every time. But like Don Corleone said, "this is the business we have chosen". That's what "being a man" is about, after all - taking on that burden of performance and not outwardly showing anything more than determination. That resentfulness is in my opinion a byproduct of the way we were raised, the fact that we had to adopt masculinity post facto, that we had to teach ourselves to become some fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 06:02 PM
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Sure, but you aren't going to be her Chad. Chad is an archetype, a benchmark. The point is that her reasons for rejection will always boil down to "you aren't attractive enough [to overcome other factors]". So go work on yourself more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 05:52 PM
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I think I'm not making my point clearly enough. Development in any direction runs into diminishing returns. You're absolutely right that there are women that I could have laid that I haven't, because I dropped them, because I screened them out, because I didn't try hard enough or know enough or whatever. My point is that it doesn't matter - what I do is good enough. Let's say that I miss 25% of women I date because of this (that's around my failure rate to F close). So what? This isn't a competi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 05:48 PM
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I'm not trying to account for every possible weirdo out there nor do I have a need to bang every woman I go on a date or two with. Women are more or less interchangeable. My experience is that being less invested vs. overpursuing weirdos has paid off well for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 05:17 PM
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Laugh it off and tease her about it. If she doesn't show interest after that then the date's over. There won't be another.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 04:32 PM
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I'm honestly not sure I can articulate "how it works". Here's my basic date plan though: Drinks somewhere that we can transition to another activity like walking that involves opportunity for kino; Talk for a while, finish drinks, I suggest we go walk; Brush up against, go for the hand hold, lead her to the place, talk more; Find a spot to sit down, cuddle up; Go for the kiss; Make out and grope; Invite back to my place, if yes, then give her a tour, talk about whatever, more making out, lead he…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 05:38 PM
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Being easy-going is about a lack of need to control. Interesting, because I've always seen them as one and the same. You pay your money and take your chances, so to speak, and you win or lose. If you lose you try to learn from it and move on to the next one. It's a system of thought that ignores reality in favour of mental models. There's always a danger of confusing the map with the territory. I don't see TRP doing this but that kind of thing is subtle at first. I won't discount the possibility…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 05:17 PM
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OK, she is a comedian, Well, comedy needs to contain some semblance of truth, or it isn't very funny. Dave Chappelle joking about corrupt cops sprinkling crack on a dead black man is funny because we all know that some cops are corrupt racists. Comedy also is a way to say politically incorrect things (such as that some cops are corrupt racists). The skit wouldn't be funny at all if the cops were shown to have alien brain parasites controlling them, because nobody believes in alien brain parasite…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 04:22 PM
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So, for example, most women like relaxed, chilled-out easy-goingness. What TRP would describe as holding frame and having outcome independence/DGAF attitude. Another thing red pill ignores (but old school PUA did recognise) is the importance of being funny. TRP talks about cocky-funny. You're right that it's not as easy to pull off as other things. That's why I use it sparingly. It's also very easy for lame dudes to hide behind humor. ...pretty hard to explain evolutionarily... TRP's explanation…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 04:11 PM
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Even more interesting. What's the story?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 03:28 AM
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One theory is that the purpose is to increase the sexual options for women and decrease the sexual options for men. This fits the observations well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 12:20 AM
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Because the purpose of red pill ideas is to give lame men a reasonably successful means of improving their sex lives. These men need a simple set of guidelines in order to not talk themselves into the mistakes of their pasts. AWALT is much more likely to produce a good result for them, as opposed to endless debate about the matter. "A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week". AWALT is a good plan and one you can execute on now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 12:02 AM
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Smells like sour grapes to me. In this sub the divide is clear: red pillers who have tried it and it works for them, and people outside of TRP that haven't tried it or can't try it, and who hate it. That latter group has zero credibility if they claim it doesn't work, so they've stopped making that claim and retreated to more defensible claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 03:22 PM
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ITT: not one person disagreeing with the OP's premise: So, obviously, the red pill works for many men to some extent; the movement wouldn't be so large and popular if incels, or men just down on their luck, didn't adopt the associated principles and rapidly have success with women. This is an interesting development.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 03:10 PM
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The question is highly topical. Your response is circlejerking.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 03:08 PM
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A college degree is an employment credential, nothing more. You need to outwardly pledge loyalty to The Party in order to continue to have the privilege of working to obtain one. The system is corrupt, top to bottom, inside to out, and rife with abuse of petty power. The smart people are going to keep their heads down, pay lip service to the right phrases, and do what they need to do to get ahead. Where does this BS end? It doesn't until the system collapses.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 03:07 PM
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You're awfully naive if you think that a woman always means no when she says no. No can mean "no", no can mean "not right now", no can mean "yes but keep trying". No can mean "I don't want to feel like a slut so I'll say no but it's really yes please ask again". I'm guessing that you aren't a man who's laid a lot of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 02:56 PM
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Are you a heterosexual man who successfully has casual sex, but who failed at it in the past?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 02:52 PM
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The "just be yourself" advice that you'll get from chicks and the "give up now you're a loser" advice you get from bitter dudes have a couple things in common. First, it's very easy to implement. Second, it won't get you anywhere. Third, it doesn't come from men who were formerly unsuccessful with women and who worked their way into sexual success.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 02:03 AM
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Damned right TRP main is insular. Its purpose isn't to allow any noodlehead with an opinion and a keyboard a safe space to speak from, its purpose is explained in Rule Zero. If you were on board with Rule Zero you'd be fine speaking your piece there, but because you aren't you'd be found out and banned in a heartbeat. echo chamber full of hateful nonsense Again, I heavily discount your opinion of red pill ideas and presentations.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 01:48 AM
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Then you'd be way off. Right, so I heavily discount your opinion on red pill ideas and presentations. most people consider TRP to be I'm unconcerned with what most people think about TRP. Not trying to help "most people".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 01:38 AM
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I consider the source. Specifically, are they a heterosexual man who is or was a social/sexual failure?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 01:34 AM
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You're so wrong it's hard to know where to begin. But then again, you aren't interested in what I have to say anyways, so it saves me some typing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 01:27 AM
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my date freaked out didn't want to do anything more. This is the time for agree and amplify. Tell her you agree, let's just go inside and watch a movie. Then try again in isolation. Hell dude, everyone fails to F-close. I had a chick down to her panties in my bed, she noped and wanted to go home. Second date was weird as fuck, I dropped her and moved on to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 01:21 AM
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As a general rule, you will not lose a woman by escalating. If she's on a date with you you should go for the K-close. If you K-close you should make out and grope. If you make out and grope you should go for the F-close. You will, however, lose a woman by not escalating or not escalating fast enough. Too much of that and they'll get weirded out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 01:11 AM
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The anger is the selling point. The selling point is a combination of two factors: Providing an explanation of what loser men have experienced Providing a path out of loser-dom for those men Here's the basic way that a dude comes to TRP. He reads some stuff about stuff and something just clicks for him - pieces fall into place that explain the LJBF speech he got from his true love, the horrible marriage and divorce rape that followed, the consistent sexual failure that he's experienced. He reads…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 12:52 AM
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i even had a 1 month "relationship" with a girl who i thought was a good match but she just dumped after the aforementioned month without giving any good explaniation You failed to sexually escalate fast enough and she dumped you because she wanted to fuck, not have a hangout buddy. Women are generally not going to be sexually forward and aggressive, they don't like it and don't feel comfortable doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 12:44 AM
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We've discussed it and done it. Many people in TRP, including myself, have gone from losers to sexually successful. I'd second the Book of Pook recommendation from downthread. Free and a great introduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 12:40 AM
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Don't listen to people who blow you off with "it's so simple". It's not. There's a lot of things to consider but in extreme summary male sexual value comes down to Looks, Money, Status, Game. Understand up front that it's not easy and you won't get instant results. Looks: how's your hair? how's your clothes? how's your facial hair? how's your body? Your goal here is to get these right. There are subreddits for these. Go get some unbiased opinions on your hair and beard, change them if indicated.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 12:38 AM
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For some men it isn't simple. Telling them that everyone else figures it out, it's not complicated, it's really simple, is worse than unhelpful. PUA and TRP came into being because of those men for whom it isn't simple, for men who need step by step guidance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 12:29 AM
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So you think that womens' desires must therefore be logical?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 06:09 PM
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(rolling my eyes) Do you think I'm wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 05:34 PM
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I'm not prescribing behavior to men, I'm telling you what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 04:39 PM
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Are red pillers what women truly want? No, they want a man who has those characteristics naturally, not one who had to read stuff on the internet to acquire them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 04:35 PM
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To beat the pussy pass/Captain Save A Hoe mindset out of lame men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 12:46 AM
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My problem was a lack of satisfying sexual relationships. I've solved that, I have the ability to access casual sex on demand. I don't see further problems to be solved. to see eachothers perspective? For intellectual curiosity? I guess, but I don't care that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 12:25 AM
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except RP says women cant change, dont even bother. Lame men need to change themselves, not women. Once they change themselves they won't need to change women. I just dont see why Women cant also be called upon to participate in the improvement of society We aren't interested in improving society. Someone else can push that particular boulder up the hill today, I'll be poolside. The red pill isn't some movement or cause or noble endeavor. It's survivors putting themselves together as best they c…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 12:21 AM
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Are you going to bet half or more of your stuff on that? Are you going to make a bet that a law explicitly allowing such won't be passed between now and then? Common law marriages are a thing in places, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 12:11 AM
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A man who counts on a woman changing is a fool. A man who blithely expects his woman to not be "like that" is a fool. The men who come to TRP have generally been fools with women, they've learned the foolishness of their ways from bitter experience. You don't have that experience. Good for you, but what about those who have?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 12:09 AM
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How unrealistic is it to imagine the following: 10 years down the road this marriage falls apart. The woman takes the man to court and has this contract thrown out in favor of an arrangement that the court deems is fair, based on the idea that they were married and that marriage laws should apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 11:52 PM
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That's an attempt at deflection, instead of answering the real question. That's fine. But you should at least think about why you dismiss it out of hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 11:49 PM
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Again I'm not reading desperation or anything close. It's clear to me that there are oodles of lame men out there who are lost, we're here as a resource if they want to apply themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 10:51 PM
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Red pill ideas are a great way to pick up HWP independent women ranging roughly in age from 30 to 50. That's what I like and what I pursue. But whatevs. Many blues are happy in our relationships Good for you. Many lame men are not happy, and are still not happy after applying advice of the character that you-all supply. The desperation isn't helping your case in the slightest. Where do you read desperation? You think that much of anyone in red pill land is feverishly scheming on how to recruit y…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 10:36 PM
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You miss the point (or perhaps make one). The parent comment's rhetorical question was Or else, how could they accept it? The point you might be making is that the things in TRP that offend you, offend you so much that they blind you to the possibility that there are things in there that work - and that those things might be one and the same. I'd buy that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 10:21 PM
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Or else, how could they accept it? Try it for yourself, see if it works. But y'all think that we're some sort of secret woman hater's club. What's so unpalatable about the idea that red pill ideas work, that makes the possibility unworthy of consideration?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 09:58 PM
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the womens side does need to be considered too. Sure. The point is that the woman's side as women express it isn't useful. A woman's perspective as red pill men have reverse engineered it, is. what if we had a place where women and men could agree on stuff Very few women will agree with red pill ideas as red pill men express them, due to tone and phrasing. The lame dudes that need red pill ideas need that tone and phrasing. Choose one. how can society benefit if its so focused on just the man's …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 09:48 PM
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I don't think the common ground can exist. Consider why men come to TRP in the first place - they aren't happy with their sex lives. Those men will report, overwhelmingly, that they have been lied to by women on what women want in the sexual marketplace. There's a fundamental difference in communication styles that can't be bridged. You can see a microcosm of that here in this very sub. If I were to say "man, fuck them sluts, AF/BB" the blue pill types would shit on me. If, under a clean reddit …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 09:10 PM
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You miss the point. We don't care about your opinion on red pill ideas. We don't care if they matter to you (or not).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 07:39 PM
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The clear solution is to not comingle finances. No joint accounts and for damned sure, no marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 05:35 PM
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Didn't realize that you knew the answer to your own question.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 02:25 PM
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Snark isn't necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 02:24 PM
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Obesity and masculine/unfeminine behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 12:59 AM
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I'm laughing at them because they've somehow decided the way to get girlfriends is to yell misogynistic insults at them. You read far too much about TRP, from places outside of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 12:54 AM
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And the people on redpill are apparently not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 12:49 AM
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Consider the story Confessions Of A Reformed Incel on TRP main's sidebar. It's not a pleasant story and the protagonist doesn't exactly win, even though he doesn't lose. The reason that story is sidebarred is that it resonates with the men such as myself that have pulled ourselves out of Incel Hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 12:48 AM
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"What you are shouts so loudly that I cannot hear what you say."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 12:44 AM
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...Towards the sexual issues of unsuccessful males.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 12:41 AM
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It matters less. It no longer dominates your psyche, it no longer drives you slowly insane. You become inured to the lack of love and affection - you learn how to deal with it. After working on it you find that you can get more than you got in the past with less effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 12:40 AM
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Yes, you can look at the nearest politician or CEO to see proof of that. Liars are caught and punished and denounced, they never acquire wealth and power.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 12:36 AM
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The choice then is bad ends, or bad means.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 12:34 AM
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2Pac: I ain't guilty, cause even though I slang rocks It feels good puttin' money in your mailbox Feels good payin' rent when the rent is due It's awful easy to cast aspersions down from one's high horse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 12:33 AM
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You make the best choice you can with the resources that you have. For most of us that means choosing between bad alternatives to find the least worst one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 11:36 PM
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I am saying a claim of how the world works is false. I suspect that you have certain concepts of how the world works and that you use those concepts as if they were true.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 07:51 PM
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I need actionable advice in my life right now and I consider the source. I highly doubt that you're onboard with TRP's Rule Zero, so from that it follows that your advice is highly suspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 06:34 PM
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If a man in a relationship discovers TRP and decides that he needs to apply any of it, there are obviously problems in that relationship to start. Happy men don't need TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 06:24 PM
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It's a great question and the answer lies in the confidence of the sources of the data. The men of TRP have been fed consistent lies and partial truths from women in their lives regarding the sexual marketplace. On the other hand they've applied red pill ideas and seen success beyond what they had before. We're reasonably confident that red pill concepts more or less work. We're highly suspicious of baseless statements such as "im a woman who believes stuff". If you come up with a theoretical fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 06:22 PM
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This is precisely why I heavily discount the opinions of people here who haven't shared the experience of being a sexually unsuccessful male. They amount to little more than sneers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 05:11 PM
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I doubt there's anything that would convince you to change your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 03:54 PM
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Doesn't matter, the point of making that statement is to shame unsuccessful men back into silence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 03:49 PM
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They all claim to be looking for the same woman. I highly doubt that a red pill man looking for a LTR is looking for the same woman that a plate spinner is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 09:04 PM
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That's what plate spinning is for. It's a built in defense against oneitis.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 08:57 PM
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I don't know why you Red Pillers are playing special snowflakes who were somehow exceptionally deceived by the world in the ways that everybody else hasn't been. It's highly instructive that you refuse to believe that TRP is genuine when they say this. You'd rather look for evidence of some shadowy conspiracy than accept the statement at face value.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 08:51 PM
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Because he recognizes that our advice would help him, should he accept and apply it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 08:48 PM
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Restaurant is expensive "Drinks", at a restaurant. $20 for an hour of conversation on the water, including tip. its hard to kino too, because we are sitting at a distance. You conversate and build rapport, then transition to somewhere else where you can grope. Yes, there has to be somewhere else to transition to and you have to figure all this out up front. Also, do you "officially" say it's a date? Sometimes, or not. I don't obsess over it one way or the other. I'd just ask her out somewhere. W…
/r/askTRP13/02/16 06:18 PM
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Then make something happen. Go somewhere, do something. Make a plan. Paying $40 to sit and watch a screen for 2 hours is what every lame dude does, because they don't have to make a plan. Making plans is hard, sitting in front of a screen is easy. Here's my typical date plan for the summer months: Waterside restaurant with a deck. Meet for drinks, talk. Change location to nearby waterside park, go walking (hold hands), find park bench, sit down (cuddle up/make out), invite to my place, bang. Not…
/r/askTRP13/02/16 05:44 PM
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As you might guess it doesn't matter one bit to me. Paragraphs 2 and 3 above.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 05:38 PM
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That sounds bitter and harsh That's because it is. So, why can't we just stick to stuff like that? No bullshit. Be the change you want to see. So many people parrot that shit but so few actually fucking do it. The overwhelming majority of the criticism I see laid against TRP is coming from people that don't agree with TRP's Rule Zero. I'm fully onboard with it and so I don't have a problem with TRP's content. Hell, an oath of fealty to Rule Zero should be the first thing that I ask when I see th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 05:37 PM
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hahaha... ohhh I can't even give a non-compromising response to this post. Then don't. It isn't like this is the first time I've seen "lol terpers amirite" on this forum. But let's be real for a second: you, by your own admission, are exactly the kind of person that would waste ungodly amounts of someone's time if someone was trying to gently convince you of something, and the "lol like i cant even" response is proof. And you know what? That's perfectly fine, for reasons described and lol-ed awa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 05:23 PM
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Movies are shit locations for kino and escalation, because you're sitting there for 2 hours staring at something else, no talking, no interaction.
/r/askTRP13/02/16 05:12 PM
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i.e. lack of empathy. No, a lack of a specific emotional connection to any particular anonymous reader. How is this an argument for unplugging them harder? Because my time is finite and I'm not about to waste it hand holding every last little feeb that wanders in, just in fucking case my coddling him personally is going to be what pushes him over the edge. This isn't a fucking sales pitch dude, nobody wants to recruit you or anybody else to the ideology, slap a robe on you, and collect some dues…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 04:58 PM
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It is time feminism let a healthy men’s movement grow without immediate criticism: it will refine the aims and goals of feminism ... In other words, men should be allowed a 'healthy' (how Orwellian) movement to grow (for now) because it will help feminism. The self serving nature of this supposed outreach is so bold that I can't even get mad. I'll just say no thanks and move along. I'll stick with TRP main and other anonymous, online discussion spaces that women don't have their fucking claws in…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 04:47 PM
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Here's the thing: unlike a family member where one has some kind of relationship, nobody in TRP has any particular connection to any particular lame dude who wanders in. Moreover most of the people that wander in aren't ready to be unplugged. So what's the biggest bang for the buck? The raw truth, unfiltered. Those that can accept it will, those that can't won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 04:32 PM
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There was attraction, but you fucked it up. You isolated her at your apartment but then you fucked up by not physically escalating, and then proclaiming your commitment to her. Fuck first, commit later. Escalate sexually.
/r/askTRP13/02/16 05:08 AM
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Just be cool. Hell dude she's contacting you which indicates interest. Have a plan. You want to bang this chick right? Arrange a date.
/r/askTRP13/02/16 04:55 AM
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Don't ask: invite them somewhere. If they accept, then you're the guy showing them the good time. If they don't, be prepared to go there without them. This is a good way to practice DGAF.
/r/askTRP13/02/16 04:54 AM
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You can't. Hoping that someday women will take on the masculine role and approach you is a fantasy that you can hide behind, so that you don't have to get up the courage to approach them.
/r/askTRP13/02/16 04:52 AM
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I'm not saying that people divorce on a whim. I'm saying that no-fault divorce has helped destroy the nuclear family.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 03:46 AM
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You don't have to ask researchers, ask men who've fucked women. Sometimes No means No. Sometimes No means Not Now. Sometimes No means Yes But I Don't Want To Feel Like A Slut So I'll Say No With My Words And Yes With Everything Else.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 03:41 AM
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today I'm looking for viable alternative answers. Implying that TRP is not viable. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 03:34 AM
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Are we forgetting that it takes two to tango (or in this case, divorce)? In the age of no fault divorce, either party can split up the marriage for any reason or none.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 03:31 AM
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And you're not applying the principle of charity. I'm a suspicious type. I see no reason at all why things can't be written in a more positive and/or nuanced way. Besides popularity, what value does nuance bring to the matter? Nuance obscures things. And plenty of men improve greatly without [...] "Plenty" of men don't need your boy Manson either. I'd argue that Models and NMMNG do a better job of dispelling the BP indoctrination and replacing it with positive, beneficial, lasting changes. OK, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 03:29 AM
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even if the intended audience isn't 'the public', It isn't, I can assure you of that. why does everything need to be put in hateful/derogatory terms? Because the men that are ready to be unplugged have been fed sugarcoated lies all of their lives. They need some raw truths. Are RPers not capable of understanding and digesting non-extreme writing styles? I get the sense that you aren't asking questions in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 03:10 AM
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Not sure what point you're trying to make or if you understand mine. Plugged in men and boys who are ready to be unplugged are a significant part of the audience for TRP. "The public" - in general, at large - is not. That's why we don't talk like normal people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 02:55 AM
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If we say that the public generally accepts 'RP truths' when they're dressed up in normal people language, why not just fucking talk about them like normal people? Because "the public" is not the intended audience.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 02:49 AM
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OK, so the toolish posters in TRP are inexperienced and you know this because they're toolish. So given that TRP in general gives useful and actionable advice, where does that advice come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 08:50 PM
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But it does make them inexperienced. Are you saying that the ECs and mods aren't toolish?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 08:26 PM
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Yeah that was basically the whole point of OPs post I read the point of OPs post as a gender flip on typical womens' issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 02:13 PM
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It's pretty funny: a kid that took a marketing class is telling me why AWALT will hurt my plate spinning.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 01:24 AM
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This is good, it implies that they're intimidating you. Cops like that.
/r/TheRedPill12/02/16 01:11 AM
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Because sexual inequality overwhelmingly affects beta/omega men, and nobody gives a rat's ass about men, while more or less everyone is in favor of helping women. See: eggs expensive/sperm cheap, pussy pass, etcetera. The only person that's going to help a lame man get access to sex is himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 01:03 AM
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But as soon as you start getting involved in a relationship (or depending on your "plating", with a few girls), the less useful generalization becomes. On average your partner will behave like this and react like that, but no partner is actually average. That's why AWALT in the way that TRP often uses it (She did this meaning she want this), is fundamentally flawed. Important background information: How many plates are you spinning now? What's the most you've been spinning? Are you a man who can…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 12:59 AM
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OKCupid has worked well for me. Plenty of Fish is a wasteland of fatties and fuggos but I did find one good plate there.
/r/askTRP11/02/16 02:04 PM
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MGTOW have internalized red pill ideas in that they see the reality of the SMP, how the game is rigged. TRP advises men how to cheat the game, MGTOW advises men not to play.
/r/askTRP11/02/16 01:11 PM
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Why all the posts complaining about women majoring in useless things in college then? Because different people post about different things. I don't care about social issues like people accumulating student debt through choosing worthless degrees, but other people do. I care about having fun, getting laid, and watching the clock run out. You all consistently fail to realize that there are different themes in TRP, some of which are mutually exclusive. A man who is looking for a family isn't going …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 01:06 PM
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I don't give commitment or ask for it. I've had plates pledge their commitment to me unprompted though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 12:59 PM
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Variety I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 12:42 PM
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I thought the ideal for women was alpha bucks? Yup, see edits. Also isn't marrying a high beta/low alpha also pretty much winning for women? It's actually a little more nuanced than Alpha Bucks because of individual tolerances for alpha/dominant traits. Not every woman wants/needs super high alpha. That red pill women sub wrote something a while ago about it. Men, especially the men that need red pill ideas, don't need to worry about that though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 02:42 AM
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Whatever your response, don't go into orbit around her. Whether she's genuine, nutso, whatever, you won't text your way into her pants. You might text your way out though. I'd go with "k" -- tomorrow sometime.
/r/askTRP11/02/16 02:30 AM
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SJW's and the government have expanded their definitions beyond the appropriate scope. Rape claims are akin to Amber Alerts. Ever noticed how 99% of Amber Alerts are family custody disputes? "Alert: Bratney Smith missing, last seen in the company of BabyMomma Smith...". That's not a kidnapping, that's a family dispute. Likewise with "rapes" that are really post-hookup regret.
/r/TheRedPill11/02/16 02:24 AM
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"k". So tell us the backstory, OP. Have you banged this chick? Gone out? How many times?
/r/askTRP11/02/16 02:19 AM
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A term of art in red pill and pickup circles. Anti Slut Defense. Women don't want to feel like sluts so they put on a pretense of saying no, I don't do that, I'm not that kind of woman, etcetera, even when they want to fuck your brains out. Their mouths say one thing while their bodies say another.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 02:10 AM
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Hi all, I'm a woman. Tits or GTFO. In more detail: We get it, you're a chick but you think red pill is cool....
/r/TheRedPill11/02/16 02:06 AM
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All other things being equal strange is more attractive. I'd bang that fatty a time or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 01:52 AM
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Yeah but that's a forebrain activity. Your lizard brain is still telling you to dump your nuts in her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 01:45 AM
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Strange is always more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 01:41 AM
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Men don't need to have standards because they bear very little risk from sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 01:40 AM
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Alpha and beta are largely separate traits. What LTR minded women really want is high alpha/high beta - Beta Alpha FBucks. They can't get Beta Alpha FBucks because their value isn't that high so they settle for AF/BB and end up in a marriage to low alpha/high beta. E: antonyms
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 01:36 AM
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Abundance mentality does come from validation/abundance but you need to put on the abundance mindset before you can get there. Basically by the time you get true abundance, you don't need it.
/r/askTRP11/02/16 01:25 AM
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Plate: I wanna fuck Joe, he's cute. Maybe Tom too. You: <smirk> "Cool, let me know who I'm eskimo brothers with, wouldja?" If you can't pull that off you need to check yourself and see how far you're invested in this chick.
/r/askTRP11/02/16 01:23 AM
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It's pretty simple dude. A violent criminal is alpha. A man who needs to go on the internet to learn how to interact with women isn't.
/r/TheRedPill10/02/16 11:03 PM
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Do what kind of things ? Go out for drinks. Transition to a nearby park/place where you can walk around and isolate her. Escalate. Invite her back to your place for <bullshit reason> Escalate, F close.
/r/askTRP10/02/16 09:27 PM
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I'd argue that they aren't losing their meaning at all, that their meanings have just become more clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 08:57 PM
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Male and female sexual strategies are adversarial.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 08:45 PM
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It's more than just a fantasy of nonconsent. ASD is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 08:42 PM
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No, AWALT isn't revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 07:19 PM
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It's difficult to see your point when all you do is speak in extremes. If you think that "all" I wrote was extremes then I'm afraid I can't help you. Three sentences, two of which made the same point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 07:06 PM
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Ignore the extreme language and focus on the point, which is that ideology can't overcome biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:58 PM
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Just because value is subjective doesn't mean that you can't observe general trends and make comparisons. The value of a gold coin is subjective but you wouldn't argue that gold coins are without value. You wouldn't argue that a gold coin's value can't be compared to a nickel's value. Likewise, in general there are certain traits that are high in SMV. Go look at the front page of gonewild if you disagree. Likewise, in general there are traits that are low in RMV. Most men don't want to wife up s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:56 PM
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People like what they like, platitudes nonwithstanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:48 PM
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Only because you think so. "Value" is by definition subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:48 PM
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You can just as easily say "How great is a pencil that's been sharpened a lot (and is thus very short and will eventually become useless) Do you seriously believe that men wear out their penises from sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:53 PM
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How does tone plausibly get revenge? What makes you think that the tone is chosen out of spite?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:51 PM
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All the more reason to not change our tone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:41 PM
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So it isn't the content, it's the tone?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:33 PM
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If women are offended it's misogynistic. If women aren't offended it isn't. It's all about the emotional impact of the statement. "Alpha fucks, beta bucks", is offensive. Adding some more words and softening the language makes it palatable. "Women want to have fun when they're younger, but once they mature, they want a stable relationship with a man who can provide for a family".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:53 PM
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The problem isn't what gives women tingles It's all that I care about anyways. If feminist solidarity got me laid I'd be dressing in skirts and holding up signs like a grade A mangina.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:50 PM
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Basically these people are demanding that we tell red pill men to unilaterally disarm in the SMP. After getting fucked over for a couple decades I'm not really inclined to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:47 PM
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Not looking to evangelize to anyone. I prefer TRP raw.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:39 PM
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The incentive won't be removed because women respond to characteristics like confidence, forwardness, and dominance, which assholes have in abundance. ...it does bother me that because SOME men can't handle RP properly, others must paint us all as evil women haters. Not concerned with how I come across to people on the internet, nor after decades of sexual failure, how some chick's feelings get hurt in real life by some guy. I'm nice IRL because that's how I am, but I'm not going to lift a finge…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:28 PM
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I guess there's really nothing to be done about that Nope. Assholes do better in the SMP than pussies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:16 PM
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If feminism really was about equality, this revulsion that most women have towards any kind of submissiveness in men, and that is entirely driven by toxic gender roles and expectations towards men, should have been addressed(at the very least). All the feminist platitudes in the world won't make a woman wet. That's why red pill ideas work, why you-go-girl feminists like to get choked and fucked. Tingles uber alles.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:09 PM
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Being an asshat is probably easier though. Taking on the characteristics of an asshole as a nice/passive/lame guy imagines and implements them is the simplest way to explain to a lame dude how to set boundaries, stand up for himself, display abundance, etc. Sure, he might go overboard and have to recalibrate, but it's not like he's losing out on much success - the whole reason he's reading manosphere stuff is that he's lame and his sex life sucks. A little too much jerkboy at the start won't hur…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:05 PM
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Because TRP constantly reiterates that sluts are worthless. No, sluts are great for fun and fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 03:05 PM
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because they are still naive and take it for granted that sex equals commitment Yet when a lame man thinks that commitment equals sex, he's lambasted, called an entitled creepy rapist, and reviled by women. Women are expected to get all of the benefits of ignorance in the SMP and men are expected to bear all of the costs. Why ought I care more for lame women, than they care for lame men?
/r/askTRP10/02/16 02:34 PM
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My question here is does this happen often? If so then how should i perceive it/handle it? If not then how can I avoid this in the future? Plates fall down man. That's why it's called spinning plates. You can't avoid it. You handle it by not letting it faze you. Certainly you don't reward emotional manipulation by her with commitment, that'd be the worst thing to do.
/r/askTRP10/02/16 03:16 AM
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Um, this chick plated herself: She initially told me that she just wanted sex and was looking to bang with no strings attached. Now, chickie-poo has decided that NSA sex isn't what she wants after all, she wants a boyfriend. But she doesn't have the lady-balls to come out and ask for commitment, she's hinting and poking and prodding about it. Playing her girl game. So why is dudebro OP the bad guy here?
/r/askTRP10/02/16 03:14 AM
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Bringing another chick along would be hilarious. I think you'd have to have incredibly tight game to pull it off well though.
/r/askTRP10/02/16 02:59 AM
1

Like an old white guy once said "Be assured young friend, that there is a great deal of ruin in a nation."
/r/TheRedPill10/02/16 02:50 AM
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This sub isn't about philosophizing. If anything, angry virgins and betas are more what it's about, as opposed to spreading some word to the unwashed masses.
/r/TheRedPill10/02/16 02:47 AM
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Presenting this sub like if it was a giant hate orgie with zero logical sense and no verifiable positions. The tone of this sub isn't much of a concern to me and neither is the presence of "weak links" or "betas". I hope to get some useful content from this sub and deliver some useful content in return. I'm not seeing the higher purpose to TRP that your post implies. Care to elaborate?
/r/TheRedPill10/02/16 02:38 AM
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They can't reconcile their emotions with their analysis. Is TRP 100% wrong? Of course not. Can they state that some parts of TRP are right? Of course not. Thus the "Well some parts of TRP are super obviously wrong and by the way RAPISTS" responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 02:12 AM
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The underlying theme of /r/TheBluePill is to be a decent person in life and to treat others well. The sidebar says it's satire.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 02:10 AM
1

I get the sense that you're not looking for what's best for TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 01:10 AM
2

I'd rather get my dick wet than masturbate over statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:09 PM
1

Pretty sure I'm right more often than a stopped clock.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:03 PM
1

they feel they have become fit or are on the way there. I'm pretty sure I'm benefiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:03 PM
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Applying red pill concepts has made a significant improvement in my life, and I have yet to fork over any cash to anyone who posts in TRP. But yeah, maybe this is all part of their insidious trap, the jaws of which are getting ready to close on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 08:39 PM
1

AWALT is useful in practice in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 07:52 PM
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But you can't claim AWALT in any way shape or form when you're targeting specific women and success is defined as some responding to the technique at some time. Why not, besides sounding ridiculous to people like you? For now let's assume that I don't care how I sound to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 07:47 PM
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My point has been very consistent, which is that marriage carries too much risk for too little reward, for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 07:38 PM
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That's a part of it. Women have an instinctive revulsion to mating with subpar men, that's another part of it. That's why red pill tactics are conflated with rape, because getting fucked/impregnated by a lower male via trickery feels like rape, emotionally. The solution is to improve oneself to the point where you pass as a normie.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 07:36 PM
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I'm getting the idea that a LOT of Red Pill Men around here have an extraordinarily difficult time with women in general. Yes, having to go on the internet to learn how to interact with women might be an indication of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 07:26 PM
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They aren't taking into account the women they don't target. Why would we?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 07:25 PM
1

Nice talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 07:24 PM
1

OK, you're arguing that my reasoning for telling other men to not get married is flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 07:16 PM
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How else would you find out if RP ideas work for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 06:58 PM
1

I don't doubt that some men could teach themselves to screen for a woman and handle a woman and maintain a marriage in the current climate. I'm saying that the risk is not worth the reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 06:51 PM
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OK, so they give away their insights and hope that someone volunteers money in return. It's sad af for anyone who thinks they are just sharing their advice from the good nature of their hearts. Let's assume that they're driven by avarice 100%. Does that make their free material any worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 06:49 PM
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You're trying to talk me out of telling other men to never get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 06:47 PM
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I find it amusing how quickly it was revealed as a sham. That's fine - TRP is on board with faking the traits of alpha men - I just didn't realize that the same thing went on in RPW. But again you dodge the point that you can't articulate the benefits of marriage. You're outraged when I say that the risks outweigh the rewards but you can't come up with anything more.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 06:46 PM
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Because most men are not naturals Most men who need TRP are not naturals. You are the one stating that Marriage and LTR has no place on TRP as viable goals for RP men - and that the only correct response to such dynamics is "don't." Yup. If your implication that naturals are the only ones that can pull this off is true, then you agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 06:41 PM
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The question was stupid. The question proved the point that I was making, which is that marriage carries incredibly asymmetrical risk for men vs. women and that you wouldn't be so gung ho on marriage if the tables were turned. Now you want to call that point "stupid" and "inconsistent". That's fine, but the point stands on its own merits.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 06:40 PM
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This comparison is dishonest and you know it. It's an exaggeration for effect. Most marriages are unhappy and half of them end in divorce. MRP is a disaster. Then go found a new one dedicated to the creation and maintenance of higher betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 02:02 AM
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It is when the only responses are "divorce" "next" "run" and "don't do it" in their various permutations EVEN AFTER the man in question has specifically stated that he is aware of the risks etc and still just wants advice RELEVANT to his desired goal(s). "Hey TRP I'm thinking about smoking Oxys. I totes wanna do this for reasons. What's the best way to do it?" The answer's always going to be don't do it. Newcomers are done a disservice as a result, as is every RP man that actually wants and is i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 01:42 AM
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Again, you are ignoring and warping what I am saying. You heavily implied that marriage was both risky and a great accomplishment. You used mens' pursuit of risk towards great ends as a justification for men pursuing marriage. it's a fair reading of what you wrote. The idea that men "only get one try" is a patent lie. Effectively they do. A failed decade+ marriage will severely cripple a man's finances. I guess if he works super hard he might get 2 or even 3 shots at it. Marriages do not fall ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 01:40 AM
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LTRs and marriage are treated as the same 'disasterous' decision on TRP. Marriage has significant risks. Cohabitation has risks but less than marriage. LTRs by themselves without cohabitation or marriage have little risk. You are the only one that has suddenly decided that it's only marriage that is being discussed. I've consistently been speaking of marriage. That is my criticism. The approach is no longer balanced and well-formed. It's not "imbalanced" to argue against risky behavior that lead…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 01:23 AM
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I know there is no marriage flair. Good, because I'm not talking about LTRs. I'm talking about marriage. Don't conflate the two. You still don't have to be specifically religious in order to want an LTR or marriage. Stop conflating long term relationships and marriage. We're talking about marriage. The position is that there are risks and it's up to the individual to decide if the rewards are worth it. Exactly. TRP's position is that they are not, and they give plenty of reasons why. Your positi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 12:58 AM
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They are supposed to be willing to make gambles so they can achieve greater accomplishments. Putting a ring on some chick's finger isn't a great accomplishment. Even beta chodes like my former self can do that. Men can understand the risks of LTRs and marriage, and filter for a quality woman that shares the same desires and goals. And they get exactly one try to see how good they are at it. Out there in the marketplace the failure rate is north of 50%. And for what reward? Putting a ring on some…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 12:52 AM
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Its amazing how all Reddit weirdos assume all other men are feckless pussies You attempt to dodge the point, which is that you aren't the property of your hubby in any meaningful way. It's also amusing how quickly you drop into shaming language. My guess is because you don't have a better argument to make. Cheese and crackers, RPW MOD and presumable model of womanly grace, if marriage brought so many benefits to men, you wouldn't need to get so defensive, you could just rattle off a list of how …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 12:39 AM
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The key difference is that the old school PUA guys were charging thousands of dollars up front, in exchange for their secrets. These guys are putting their writing on the internet for free and then offering some modestly priced stuff on the side. I feel there is something fishy about what trp is doing now. How much did you pay for last month's TRP subscription?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 12:28 AM
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However, does that make them reliable? It really depends on the level of reliability you want. I find that FR's and situational questions in askTRP both mirror my experiences. Myself, I want to see if I can pick up some stray bits of insight. Given that the stories I can relate to are more or less accurate then when I read something I can't relate to, I scan it for useful information. do you then understand why some people don't think redpillers' collective body of personal experiences are a ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 12:26 AM
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That is not true. The sub has become increasingly anti-marriage, yes. But there is specifically an LTR flair There's no "marriage" flair. Like this senior EC said a year ago, Fuck Marriage. a distortion of RP ideas. OK, so now we're down to deciding who the real custodians of the real red pill ideas are. Like linguists striking words out of the dictionary for not being "real". Marriage and religion are not exclusively mutual. I'm saying that the popular manosphere bloggers who advocate marriage …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 12:16 AM
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So if you decide to leave him, he'll just cuff you upside your head a few times, and the cops and courts will support him, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 12:04 AM
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The problem is that new users are being told from the start that they are idiots for wanting those things, at any point. It does a disservice to RP male users to feed them overblown lies. At some point a man has to put aside childish things. Wishing that marriage 1.0 still existed is a childish fantasy, men need to look around at the way the world is now and make their ways as best they can. Modern marriage is an enormous risk for a man. and, as an aside - it's no walk in the park for women eith…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 12:03 AM
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Monosyllables have a rawer emotional impact than polysyllables. That's why people dress their language up, even when they're saying the same thing. For instance: Men who know how to function like normal human beings don't need to try those red pill tricks to have relationships. Vs. haha you cant get laid go kill yourself faggot The two sentences convey the same idea but not the same emotion. Personally I don't care, I can translate between the two styles easily enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 11:43 PM
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TRP main is steadfastly against marriage. There's no "warping" in there. Go make a post about how men should get married and see what the response from the ECs and mods is going to be. That's why that MRP subreddit exists and that's why MRP isn't linked from TRP main. Elsewhere in the manopshere you'll find prominent figures talking about marriage. They also talk about Jesus. The two are probably related.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 11:32 PM
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And the only people that actually believe that are the ones that have either never had a successful relationship with a quality woman "The only people who believe that red pill stuff are the ones who have never had natural success with a woman or have no experience to speak of whatsoever". AKA, the basic blue pill response. And the legal implications become moot if you actually know what the heck you're doing, have value, skills, and are a competent man. Nice shaming language. Is that what RPW m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 11:28 PM
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TRP main versus RPW: Because men and women have opposite sexual strategies. Women want commitment, men want sex. For each gender, what the other wants is easy for themselves. Women can get all the sex they want, while men can easily wife up some single mother any time they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 11:17 PM
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discarding long term commitment and marriage because it will always fail is a blatant lie. It isn't discarded because it will always fail. It's discarded because the risk is not worth the reward. It is not a balanced message It's not a balanced environment. Women have an overwhelming legal and social advantage in a marriage over a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 11:12 PM
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Next time, post in asktrp. But to answer you, don't talk about manosphere concepts like alpha or whatever with a chick you want to game. Remember not to talk about R.A.P.E. - Religion, Abortion, Politics, Economics. You probably let this one go. Maybe you can play it off if she shows interest but my sense is that this one is done.
/r/TheRedPill06/02/16 12:53 AM
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Sidebar: Glossary of Terms and Acronyms. Go read, reply if there's something missing and we'll help.
/r/TheRedPill06/02/16 12:51 AM
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simply focus on putting yourself in situations where you are sitting close together. Yes. My favorite date spot is somewhere near an interesting place to go for a walk, which in turn has places to sit. Perfect excuse for kino and escalation.
/r/TheRedPill06/02/16 12:50 AM
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What are non-alpha men supposed to do? Improve themselves to the point where they're getting what they want in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 12:05 AM
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/u/gaylubeoil wrote about this. Search this sub for "Ho Facts".
/r/TheRedPill05/02/16 11:32 PM
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Shit, I had the opportunity to have my ex prosecuted for criminal charges and I declined to pursue it. White knighting to the end.
/r/TheRedPill05/02/16 11:29 PM
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It has. Unless you have a time machine to start with, you aren't going to make me have just gotten this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 11:00 PM
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Right, to maintain parity each team needs to have 1 woman on the 53 and 2 on the PS. Woman player must be active on gameday.
/r/TheRedPill05/02/16 10:51 PM
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The problem is that I never just got this stuff, as you expect me to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 10:45 PM
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OK. Sounds like an aesthetic complaint to me. Misogyny is largely not relevant to my day to day life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 10:15 PM
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I don't know. I don't have all the answers or maybe even many answers. But I have more answers than I had before, at least to the point where I've seen a significant and positive impact on my sex life. Maybe I'm transparent and insecure but I'm doing something right, something I wasn't doing before.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 09:58 PM
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It's a hard problem. Western welfare states are the best answer that humanity has produced to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 09:56 PM
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You're saying a lot of things. Mostly we're agreeing but you don't like TRP for some reason you can't articulate enough for me to grasp.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 09:53 PM
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It's been 15 years, I don't have a ready reference. But yeah, your scare quotes are appropriate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 09:50 PM
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Making the market freer would only allow the rich to take even more control. Two words in rebuttal are regulatory capture. The real answer is that there is no good answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 09:43 PM
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Libertarians were calling for indiscriminate use of nuclear weapons on the Middle East after 9/11. Libertarians were cheering for the invasion of Iraq. Libertarians were cheering on Obama. Libertarians that participate in electoral politics are constantly repudiating their principles.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 09:41 PM
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You can bet that if I'm trying to pick you up I won't make you feel patronized. I'm trying to open your legs, not score a point. Aside from that, yeah I have a map and that map is not the territory. But that map is far more accurate than the map I had before and this map is also good enough to get me to where I want to go. It's good enough. Aside from that, I resented women a whole lot more when I was spinning my wheels than now when I'm spinning plates. You've really got nothing here except to …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 09:33 PM
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I think the question is as relevant as one's preference for cheddar cheese, so I'm going to ignore it absent more information.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 09:23 PM
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I do better when I'm slightly buzzed too. Doesn't mean that knocking back a 9% beer by itself is going to get me laid. I'm not convinced you do anywhere near as well as you claim There is nothing that I could type in this little box that could convince you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 09:22 PM
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It's literal. My point is that you can't take the weaknesses/offensiveness that people talk about on here and assume that they show them in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 09:19 PM
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Male attractiveness incorporates so many nonphysical characteristics that the distinction you make is meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 08:34 PM
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Nice in and of itself has nothing to do with attraction. Being nice as a sexual strategy has a 0% success rate for me. However, me and lame men like me did employ niceness as a sexual strategy because that's the message we picked up. We were social retards for doing so and sexual failures as a result. The manosphere gave us the tools to fix ourselves. Started at the bottom now we here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 08:30 PM
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I see it ALL the time here with certain red pillers. You can smell the desperation to come off as alpha, you can sense it's not real. On here, I'll state that bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks. On here, I'll admit that I was an incel omega for years. On here, I'll admit to an N-count of 1 until age 38. On here, I'll say things that I'll never say anywhere else. On here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 08:27 PM
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I did answer your question - adopting the behavior of assholes is more attractive than keeping the behavior of a nice guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 08:22 PM
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You understand what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 08:21 PM
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I bet you can't wait to show me how good of a President you get as opposed to the crappy one that I get.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 08:00 PM
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I gave up on that shit a long time ago, I'm just watching this mother burn now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 07:53 PM
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The primary problem with the idea that TRP is so wrong that we can't be argued with is that we overwhelmingly have better results with red pill ideas than we had before, without red pill ideas. So we know we're doing something right, probably most things right. Your eye-rolling outrage isn't a lot in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 07:50 PM
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I've patched over that flaw to the point where I have an abundance of female companionship. What's there to fix?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 07:44 PM
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Sanders vs. Hillary like wanting to get stabbed with a paring knife instead of a broadsword. Clinton is 100% machine politics/military-industrial complex/nanny state nightmare. Sanders is a goofy hippie.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 07:41 PM
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Yep. It's great, women like an attractive man who's nice to them. I like being nice and so I do it often. But "nice" isn't what gets their pants off.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 07:37 PM
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Being an asshole is a great way for a pussifed man to approximate being a confident and forward man. Along the way he can incorporate the attractive behaviors and calibrate his assholishness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 07:36 PM
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Social retards' tits are much perkier than imaginary womens' tits.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 07:35 PM
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OK, so to summarize. You don't like what we're doing and want us to figure out something different.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 05:43 PM
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I'm not seeing actionable advice there. I'm a social retard. I want to fix that. What do you suggest that I do?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 04:51 PM
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OK, I guess I get laid by socially retarded women then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 04:50 PM
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there is probably another factor at play. Of course there was. I wasn't attractive. Nice doesn't matter absent attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 04:50 PM
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Quite possibly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 04:49 PM
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Correct. Once enough men die in combat from the stupidity of these polices, once the war is in danger of being lost because of women, these polices would change. There'd be an awful lot of corpses before then though.
/r/TheRedPill05/02/16 03:12 PM
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Tell me there's only one person I need to fix. You're the only person you need to fix. This isn't a movement or a cause or some noble battle. It's just you against the world, and TRP is a toolbox of ideas that other men have proven to be useful. There are lots of angry men who've lived their lives according to systematic and overwhelming lies that they've been fed for years. If you're not that angry, congratulations, you can work on your life with a clear head.
/r/askTRP05/02/16 03:03 PM
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I still don't know why he wrote it - it really has no message or satirical value. I think it's satire, just not very good satire. His audience was the manosphere so he wrote it for them. Now that it's gaining notoriety he's just riding the wave.
/r/TheRedPill05/02/16 02:49 PM
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I don't necessarily think you're wrong. The men who come to TRP are almost all low value men, and women don't respect low value men. So we start off from a default position of living with constant disrespect.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:40 PM
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This is key. This, and other traditional values, are deprecated by the progressive Left and have been for some time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:33 PM
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If you're reacting with outraged indignation to the point you can't think straight by some anon on the internet then yeah, you lack "pragmatism, objectivity, self control,.self discipline". If you can't take the heat get the fuck out the kitchen.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:31 PM
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Nothing but a sense of entitlement. But checkitout X: A man who does have those things could plate this chick in half a heartbeat. Heck, as long as he has more of those things than she's had before he could plate her. She'd be glad to be coming around when he texts in order to get fucked and get chucked. His fucking her would be the proof her hamster needs that she's worthy of having a man with these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:29 PM
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So your plan to help us social retards is not to give us explicit instructions, but to "fix" us. Somehow. OK, go:
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:26 PM
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And that's fine. I'm a social retard. I get that. But telling me that other people aren't retards, why can't you get it you fucking retard, doesn't help me or even sway my position any. If anything it only cements me further into where I am now, which is the idea that nobody much cares about men who are social retards and that they better look out for #1.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:23 PM
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You're there for a piece of paper that's an employment credential. You're stroking the ego of this dummy and they're eating it up. In return you're getting what you want. So who's getting harmed here? Nobody. Now if you were lying about anything at all to a woman you were having sex with in order to have sex with her, that would be totally different for very important reasons and I'd be super angry at you right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:20 PM
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Being nice has basically a 0% success rate for me. Emulating the behavior of a high value, attractive man has a much better success rate. It's not a hard problem to solve. Some is bigger than none.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:15 PM
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I like the part where you assume that I fail to carry off the deception.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:11 PM
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When's the last time you saw TRP recommending begging?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:11 PM
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It's what TRP has told me. I've confirmed this to my satisfaction by changing those behaviors, and seeing success follow. Do you seriously expect that she'd have told me the truth, should i have asked the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:09 PM
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When's the last time you recognized a red piller in real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:11 AM
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Waiting to text, Pretending to have better things to do. most responses to shit tests, agree and amplify, Pretending to have abundance mentality. hiding your feelings, Pretending to be stoic. negging Pretending not to be impressed by her attractiveness. You see the common thread, and it doesn't look like neediness - from the outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:11 AM
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Since you think we're all bullshitting you, what's your alternative theory? Genuinely curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:04 AM
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What are your thoughts on this? That it's nothing different than what TRP talks about, it's just presented in more polite language.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:01 AM
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The post goes into some detail about the dualistic nature of married love and how caritas is potentially draining for a woman (and addicting for a man...). I won't try to summarize it but suffice to say that the author recognizes that this is not an easy balance - for men or for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 12:53 AM
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Read Ian Ironwood on caritas. It's long and starts slow, but goes into far more detail about what you're eww-ing about.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 12:28 AM
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There's only so much you can do on the internet. At some point it becomes a buffer. Gotta stretch them wings, little bird.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 11:44 PM
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Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 11:16 PM
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Maybe. There's a strong protective instinct in men, towards women. That's the root of the pussy pass/Captain Save A Hoe behavior. Intellectually, I ought to speed dial the cops. Instinctively, I ought to jump in and get my ass beat for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 10:46 PM
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Do you see how that's not helpful to understand why she reacted that way? Ah, but I do understand why she reacted that way. I was an unattractive man who she'd assumed was friendzoned. By clumsily hitting on her long after the fuck/friend decision point had passed I was both implicitly devaluing her (thinking that I had a chance with her) and demonstrating that I was a social retard. Those things are insulting and revolting to women on a visceral level. By asking other people I was demonstrating…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 10:43 PM
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wearing my sexy outfit. This is key. She does something, the man recognizes and rewards it. Up until now, I've read you as recommending compliments unprompted.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 08:02 PM
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Asking her out on a casual date (drinks/coffee) is a strong indication of interest - "Wtf are you there for?". Escalating on said date is unmistakable and will force one of three outcomes: yes, no, or slow down. Express your damn interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 07:16 PM
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Don't tell, show. OP needs to escalate sexually, not shower her with compliments.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 06:50 PM
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Right. This is what TRP talks about when they say that men and women have adversarial sexual strategies.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 05:35 PM
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Nobody wants to feel inferior, don't make them feel inferior. You believing that you are superior doesn't have to translate into them feeling that they are inferior.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 05:33 PM
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The chicks are right here, dude. I wasted 20+ years of my life being an omega loser, and bailed myself out. I could get married (again) and have kids now if I wanted to, my window is just starting to close. A 40+ year old woman has no such luxury, she's pretty much done for if she wants to be a mother and hasn't had them by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 05:28 PM
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It was exhilarating. It was one of those Holy cow, this red pill shit works!!1! moments. I've moved past being shamed because I have enough experience to know that I can get laid more or less on demand. Just have to put in some work. Getting rejected isn't a big deal. Getting called names on the internet even less so. But lame dudes who've been beaten down by literal years of rejection are particularly vulnerable to shaming. Go read in that foreveralone subreddit and see the results of consisten…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 04:47 PM
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To be clear, your position in this discussion has gone from Sure, there's your gotcha. This doesn't tell me what actually happened What actually happened was that after a couple painful decades of sexual failure I found the manosphere and learned what I'd done wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 04:30 PM
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Radicalizing the Romanceless goes into good detail on this. As a counterexample I'd recall a woman I went on a date with. Made out and groped, invited her back to my place. She flipped the fuck out, talking about how she was more valuable than that, she respected herself and demanded respect, etc. I was frankly caught flat footed and didn't say much. Asked her out on a second date a week later, she said she'd deleted my number but accepted. Invited her back again, she accepted, blew through some…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 04:26 PM
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Former omega, now wearing the wolves' clothing of a successful man. You can bet that I ate that "be nice" shit up for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 04:14 PM
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It's a shit test on a massive scale: are you enough of a man to ignore all this bullshit and make a move? Because natural alphas are going to blow off that nonsense, read the signals, and grab some warm and willing. But omegas like us are going to listen, try to make sense of it, and efficiently remove ourselves from the SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 04:09 PM
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Again, I have to disagree. RPers shame other men's sexuality all the time I'm honestly not concerned with any of those things you mentioned, because there are plenty of places for a man to go for advice on getting assfucked or whatever. There's nowhere for a hetero incel to turn for advice. And there are far more incels than there are submissive males. Again a distinction in degree that's effectively a distinction in kind. maybe you can give me some examples Making a clumsy move on someone I was…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 04:05 PM
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Why do you need a guide book on how to treat people? What about using instincts? Because I didn't know how to make it work.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 03:52 PM
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One of the biggest arguments I have with the person I date is when I bring why I think my field is more important (I defend my career choices and what I am passionate for), they all hate this cocky/superior mindset from people like me (more graduate and in my field).... Pro tip: don't brag about what you do or "defend" it. Instead, talk about how your work makes you feel. "I like knowing that I've accomplished something that helps people" or whatever. Engage her emotions, not her brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 03:49 PM
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They aren't outrageous from my experience. If I were to write FRs they'd go something like this: Find solid 4/low 5 chick on dating site. Set up a first date, drinks, isolate, escalate, invite to my place, F-close. It's a level of success that old me would find literally incredible. I'm not in the top tier of men, probably in the second to top. I suspect that this level of success is attainable by most red pill readers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 03:43 PM
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Perhaps I'm not making the distinction clear enough. Being treated rudely as the red pill subs do doesn't have the same emotional impact that being shamed for having sexual desire does. That's what's underneath the parent comment. If you hung around in asktrp, you'd see newbies get kicked around and in the same thread, respond positively. These men can tell that we care and have actionable advice to offer. Being told that you're a fat and need to lose weight and build muscle (by the way, here's …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 03:36 PM
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Who thinks or says that? Sexuality when expressed by an unsuccessful male is heavily shamed. Sexuality, when expressed by a successful male, is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 03:19 PM
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I've seen RPers eat each other alive You won't see a man's desire for women shamed on any red pill subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 03:17 PM
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There are a lot of things a man can do to improve his attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 03:11 PM
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That's all well and good, but that's still a ways up the hierarchy of needs for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 11:58 PM
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You demand we listen to the stories of men I'm inviting you to listen to the stories of men who are wracked with desperation and despair. Your attentions and sympathies are hardly expected - as a reading of that story would confirm. You don't want a better world. On the contrary, I do want a better world. But my influence is limited and so I direct my energy towards where I can make improvements. I can't put the West back together again, but I can go and get myself laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 11:51 PM
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There's a story on TRP's sidebar about desperation and despair. It's well worth reading. I predict that you'll sympathize with the protagonist until about halfway through, at which point you'll despise him. Him, and men like him, are what blue pill society has produced.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 11:34 PM
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Alcoholics Anonymous is as much of a cult as NoFap. Some people can handle it, some people can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 11:26 PM
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Oh, red pill ideas have worked well so far, but they'll fail you. Just You Wait!!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 11:22 PM
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Shouldn't blue pills be the ones crying out for help getting laid? Where do you think TRP's subscribers come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 11:20 PM
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Love flows down from men to women - it's not symmetrical. The natural order is men protecting women. The feminized West has tried its best to upset this natural order, but it remains.
/r/TheRedPill03/02/16 10:51 PM
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I don't think anybody's whining. My read is that they're observing and predicting. It's an ugly situation and it serves some lessons.
/r/TheRedPill03/02/16 10:47 PM
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Sounds a bit like a society wide shit test, does it not? The idea's been proposed before. Certainly it isn't in a woman's best interest to tell omegas how to become attractive to her...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 07:51 PM
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So, exactly what's left for a guy to do? Stop listening to what women say they want, and start listening to men who have made themselves successful with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 07:36 PM
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You incur a serious amount of legal risk if you live with her. Let's say shit goes bad and you want to kick her out. Does she have to leave? How much notice do you have to give her? What's the law in your locale say - do you know? Is there a lease? If not, what does that imply?
/r/askTRP02/02/16 10:50 PM
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Doesn't seem to be the best message to put out there, just saying Neither is cooking and eating Irish babies.
/r/TheRedPill02/02/16 02:51 PM
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There's no chance that a woman would leave a man who turns her on in favor of some Internet orbiter. Internet orbiters are for free stuff, not fucking.
/r/TheRedPill02/02/16 02:31 PM
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I'll attempt to CYV: Unlike regular women who would enjoy being treated nicely by a niceguy I don't think a desire for pedestalization is as normal as you assume. Women in general don't want a man who looks up to them, they want a man they can respect. They want to admire a man, to look up to him. Take amused mastery for example - if normal women wanted to be put on a pedestal why would amused mastery work? Women want to be treated nicely by a man that they are attracted to. In the absence of ni…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 12:55 AM
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I mean why are women embarrassed to even be seen talking to an omega Because her social status will take a hit if she's seen with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 09:31 PM
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Well, TRP isn't for you, it's for hetero men. I doubt that I'd be qualified to offer you advice and likewise I'd heavily discount yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 08:42 PM
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So what are you saying, you were in the closet?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 08:30 PM
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If [...] If The problem with your speculation is that it's totally unfounded. But it certainly plays to the portions of your audience that don't bother to learn RP ideas. Again, the ExRedPill guys would be your best asset here, if TRP really did ruin lives to the degree that you wish it did.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 07:52 PM
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Did you go to therapy because of a lack of masculinity? Because if you had to boil down all the reasons that men come to TRP, that's what you'd get. They don't know how to be men. Nobody taught them, in fact they were discouraged from being men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 07:35 PM
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I wasn't aware that Tony Robbins was in the business of helping incel men get laid. All that comes with its own social consequences which TRP never seems to be willing to address or even cognizent of. All those subscribers at that "ExRedPill" subreddit could provide you with plenty of testimony in favor of this. Odd that the sub is almost dead though....
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 07:28 PM
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I disagree that a man complaining on the internet is de facto evidence of poor mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 07:25 PM
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But women in the black community don't need beta providers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 07:19 PM
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Can you provide some evidence for the claim that RP ideas lead to sexual failure?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 07:18 PM
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I disagree that men that are bullied are automatically mentally unhealthy. I'll bet you an internet nickel that this man didn't have a good father figure in his life. These men don't need "therapy", they need masculine figures to emulate and look up to. Unfortunately these are in short supply nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 07:16 PM
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So now in addition to waiting for magic to happen ("it gets better, trust me, I'm in college, lol") your advice is "therapy", while he waits for magic to happen. And you admit that it isn't concern for lame dudes like him as much as it is you looking out for Team Woman. With advice of this quality it's not hard to see why men are drawn to the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 04:51 PM
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The problem isn't the empathy, the problem is the anti-advice that you give. Basically you're telling this guy to be patient and wait for magic to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 04:25 PM
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This is typical, feel-good, worthless, mainstream advice in a nutshell. Nothing helpful or actionable, just "trust me you'll feel better, internet hugzzz!!1!". And the blue pill types wonder why men are drawn to TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 03:33 PM
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The wall exists. It doesn't always happen at 30. Who denies that? Right here in this thread there are people saying that. "Not a serious concept".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 03:10 PM
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No, the last laugh would have been for him to dump his nuts in her until he was bored, then cut her loose.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 02:35 PM
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If a man has a problem with a woman being strong I have a problem with women who are unfeminine. I've often seen this conflated with strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 02:34 PM
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I think he's talking about double eagles bought with cash.
/r/TheRedPill29/01/16 11:08 PM
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You need canned goods and firearms, then.
/r/TheRedPill29/01/16 11:07 PM
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It is true that certain Red Pillers are so enthusiastic about the philosophy that they believe it brings them self-actualization. When you're starving you're going to think that food will bring you happiness. Once you're sated, you look for something else. Then men who come to TRP are starving for affection and sexual companionship. It's no wonder that they see these things as their end goal. Hmmm, ironically by noting it hasn't brought self-actualization this seems to highlight a certain high l…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 08:36 PM
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I read RPW and see women trying to become more womanly/feminine/nurturing. If I wanted to disparage them I could phrase what I see as " a cirlejerk to see who can woman harder".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 04:03 PM
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They jelly. That's all there is to it. This is the male equivalent of sneering at "dumb jocks". The overt displays of femininity invoke jealousy because they aren't feminine, and they know it makes them inferior. They can't admit it so they result to sneers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 02:23 PM
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I'm less unhappy now than I was before. Red pill ideas are a toolkit that can be used to get certain things. They aren't necessarily going to bring you self actualization.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 02:10 PM
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Of course you can say some things Yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 06:08 PM
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So which position do you start with? All Women Are Wonderful And Let Them Prove Otherwise; All Women Are Blank Slates As If You've Never Seen One Before; AWALT;
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 05:53 PM
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i don't believe that. Then I guess we're done here. Nice chat.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 05:10 PM
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it follows I'm not ideologically driven.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 05:05 PM
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The pussy pass and white knighting are biologically driven behaviors. It makes sense then that men be particularly wary of women in order to counteract this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 05:04 PM
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Nobody except you is taking about recruiting, for starters.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 04:51 PM
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Consider that I'm not naturally wired to support and protect everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 04:09 PM
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You need to presume less, and ask more.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 04:09 PM
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Put it this way: I'm not surprised if/when it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 04:00 PM
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if all you want to do is have open discussions with red pillers That's not what I said. Can you re-read and address?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 03:59 PM
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I'm firmly of the belief that the blue pill types don't bring value. I've given you reasons why. You don't like that and tell me to GTFO. OK, now what?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 03:42 PM
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There are shades of grey in between black and white.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 03:41 PM
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5 stages of grief, bro. Acceptance comes eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 03:23 PM
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Again this speaks towards the point that they aren't needed. Emotional outrage doesn't provide anything useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 03:22 PM
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My experience is consistent. Moreover, assuming AWALT is much, much safer for an individual than assuming the opposite. I'll wait until I have something different before changing my assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 03:20 PM
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Plates don't spin forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 03:17 PM
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Just because it's wrong according to formal logic, doesn't mean that it's useless. There are lots of conclusions that are useful, but don't stand up to rigorous logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:50 PM
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According to some people's morals, the only way to get laid morally is within a marriage recognized by the Church, and solely for the purpose of procreation. My guess is that this sub has a lot of bad people, according to those morals.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:49 PM
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The TRP main sub is not for debating. That will get you banned in a heartbeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:47 PM
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Because blue pill types consistently make the argument that they have no argument, they have no position, that all they share is disdain for red pill ideas. What's needed are the people who aren't full-on RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:46 PM
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I can assure you that it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 01:02 PM
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Those that have no counterpoint can leave. Those that want a "debate" need to bring something to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 01:01 PM
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You dodge the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 12:59 PM
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I'm sure you are, honey. But you aren't helping anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 12:58 PM
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I'm talking about blowies not violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 12:57 PM
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No true Scotsman would fall for red pill stuff, in other words.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 12:55 PM
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TRP helped me go from near incel to quasi-Chad. How would opening the forum up to shitposts from ignorant outsiders help with that? Answers are that it wouldn't and that you don't care about it. This forum here is for shitposts about red pill ideas, TRP is about how to get your prick sucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:38 AM
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I believe them because they're close enough to my own experiences as a middle aged, former incel. Meet hot-enough chick online, first date, escalate, invite back to my place, bang. Repeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:33 AM
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The purpose of the forum isn't to give a soapbox to every dissenter. Aggressive moderation policies help the sub in its mission. Reasonable people? Fuck them, I want extremists running the place. Which is what we have. cancermodding Benevolent dictatorships work fine, as long as the dictator is really benevolent. TRP seems to be doing OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:19 AM
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Who cares if the conclusion is real? Getting your prick sucked is real, and TRP works for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:13 AM
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Yeah, you don't sympathize with beat/omega males. Few of your ilk do. Lesser men are just objects - some of them useful, most of them in your way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:12 AM
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Things don't need to be accurate to be useful. They don't even need to be true to be useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:11 AM
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In a debate forum about the KKK, then yeah, such an alternative would be expected. Let's run with your analogy and see where it takes us. 100,000 Klansmen say that the KKK demonstrably improved their lives and made them happy. 20,000 people say the KKK hurts their feelings and is mean and bad and should feel bad. Klansmen ask (in a KKK debate forum) what the alternative suggested is. The response is semantically equivalent to "fuck off!!1!". Where do you see that discussion going?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:09 AM
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TRP will ban you if you're there to debate or sow doubts and fears. that isn't the sub's purpose. I report those people all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:02 AM
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Happy people aren't drawn to red pill ideas. Happy people are generally, well, happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:01 AM
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... As evidenced by the subscriber ratio of TRP to that Ex Red Pill subreddit. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 01:57 AM
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Which is the summary of many arguments on here in a nutshell. Blooper Ladies, we'd abandon red pill ideas in a heartbeat, except for the simple fact that women open their legs like Moses parting the red sea for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 01:48 AM
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And more importantly, tell us why connecting is more important than getting your prick sucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 01:47 AM
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AF/BB isn't an ideal strategy, it's a fallback. Alpha Bucks are rare as hens' teeth, and the average woman can't get one to commit to her besides. Of course women would like to get an Alpha dick with provider characteristics, but since they can't, they settle for fucking alphas and marrying betas. Think of alpha and beta as different properties and it starts to make more sense: High Alpha, High Beta: Alpha Bucks, Christian Grey or whatnot. High Alpha, Low Beta: Chad. Low Alpha, High Beta: Beta B…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 01:17 AM
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You probably want to also post this on /r/ alttrp. At a guess, they're talking about dudes in assless chaps waving dildos at a gay pride parade. You know, this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3h6es6zh1c
/r/askTRP24/01/16 12:51 AM
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"Could not master the situation" - AKA, Hey red pillers, prove a negative for me. Something something logic, something something emotion. Anyway, I can't prove to you that I couldn't make the 53 man roster in the NFL as a fullback. There's no way to prove that I couldn't work harder or something. But it's a good bet that I'm not going to be busting through the line any time soon. Likewise if you could construct a way to verify the wager, the bet that in aggregate, women will do worse than men at…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 12:46 AM
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You're surprised because you have no idea how it's done. You get her to show you the Hoe Facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 12:32 AM
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So it seems that despite their masculine imperative, a lot of men still want to be a better beta. If this is the case, then why force them to be alpha if they don't want to be? A successful LTR requires a mix of both alpha and beta traits. The woman's ideal is an Alpha Bucks, not Beta Bucks. The men that come to TRP are low in alpha traits almost by definition. Adding more alpha won't hurt them. I say just stop shaming either side and let men pick what they want. Men need their eyes opened to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 07:19 PM
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I realize that I'm not talking to a woman who's holding the promise of sex up as a carrot in order to get her husband to earn more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 06:31 PM
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If she makes more money her pussy will dry up even more than it is already. She doesn't respect him and outearning him would only make it worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 12:17 AM
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No way would half the population join vigilante gangs. But, half of the population might quietly support vigilante gangs. All you have to do is to not call the cops...
/r/TheRedPill22/01/16 12:44 AM
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That kind of shit is politically salient and would engender a harsh crackdown. If such groups formed and were allowed to roam with relative impunity, it would heavily imply that they are supported by a significant portion of the populace.
/r/TheRedPill22/01/16 12:41 AM
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the world would grind to a halt with sit in protests and peace activists. A modern equivalent of the SA would deal with sit in protesters and peace activists handily. All the government would have to do is to not intervene - right away.
/r/TheRedPill22/01/16 12:30 AM
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There's clearly a big difference in opinion within the TRP membership That's the reason for endorsed contributors. if I were a mod or EC here I'd be concerned about the possibility of mutiny by those members Pretty confident that the mods can handle a user revolt. Quoting an old white guy: Whatever happens We have got The Maxim gun And they have not Or, the ban button, as it were.
/r/TheRedPill21/01/16 07:23 PM
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There's zero social stigma attached to being a divorced man who never intends to marry again. Being attractive and promiscuous as a man isn't judged. Not having any reason to commit to a woman means that you have more time and money for yourself. Note that these are all short term, hedonistic benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:23 PM
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I'd agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:38 PM
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Men are shamed for wanting to become polygamous. Successful men aren't shamed, wannabes are. Having made that transition I conflate the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 04:05 AM
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How can it without also restricting hypergamy? By praising women and demonizing men. Different standards for different genders. Are you personally against restricting hypergamy then? Big picture? The West has grown and thrived in large part because of culturally and legally enforced monogamy. When you destroy the traditional family unit, you get inner city black America. Personally? I'm enjoying the decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:59 AM
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From the TRP sidebar Hypergamy – The instinctual urge for women to seek out the best alpha available. So, you aren't really talking about hypergamy at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:15 AM
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there's no risk There's a ton of risk involved with fucking women you work with/for/around. Bitches be crazy. Other than that, yeah sure, learn to read people better. A great way to do this is to go on dates with sluts and escalate. Read some pickup and escalation techniques, try them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:06 AM
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No, I'm saying that mainstream society attempts to restrict male polygamy. TRP obviously is in favor of it. The plate spinners are anyways. why does TRP wish to restrict hypergamy but not polygamy? TRP doesn't want to restrict hypergamy or polygamy. At least the plate spinners don't, we want a steady stream of women looking to trade up to us. What we do recognize is that polygamy is incompatible with civil society, in the long run. Monogamy ensures the docility and cooperation and production of …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:57 AM
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Sex is always a risk. It's far less likely to have repercussions however if you have some isolation from your personal life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:50 AM
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"I've got some dark towels." Seriously, period sex is not a big deal.
/r/askTRP21/01/16 12:37 AM
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It's both. The sadism is her tormenting these losers. The hamstering is her trying to justify her actions. It's a big pile: Denial>hamstering>trickle truth>sadism. You start at the top and start digging and pretty soon...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:17 AM
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there is nothing to keep men's polygamous nature in check? The fact that TRP needs to exist shows that isn't the case. There's plenty of impetus out there to build a better beta male. I've never heard anyone shame Chad. Nope. That's because Chad is, above all things, successful in the sexual marketplace. The analogous woman to Chad isn't a slut because sluts are losers in the SMP. His mirror would be a woman who has kept a low partner count, vetted her suitors well, and married Alpha Bucks - a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:15 AM
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I guess so. One lesson that a red piller would take from this tragic tale of spurned titty grabs is to not mix business with pleasure, aka don't shit where you eat. Titty grabs are for Tinderellas, not for paying clients.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:49 PM
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The imbalances in the SMP are a result of a variety of factors. Neither Chad nor sluts are to blame for these factors, they're the products of these factors. You assume wrongly that TRP is a monolith. Very roughly there are the following groups: LTR/MRP types - interested in one relationship, the instantiation and preservation thereof; Cultural conservatives - want to roll back the clock; Plate spinner/manwhore types - want to have lots of casual sex; Angry/newly unplugged - pissed the fuck off …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:47 PM
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Sounds like concern trolling to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:39 PM
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If you want loyalty, get a dog. These hoes ain't loyal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:38 PM
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She will have loyalty in some cases if you point out to her that you were always there when she needed you and always loved her. Hahaha. You can't negotiate desire, honey. Read that whole thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:36 PM
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Aggressive and forward are good. Getting charged with sexual assault via Twitter is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:32 PM
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For instance, why don't men slut shame other men to keep them from having sex with mulitple women? This is what was the bedrock of civilization for a couple thousand years - monogamy enforced via religion and culture. This ensures that all men have a wife. Of course that practice is falling to the wayside even as we watch.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:31 PM
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Yes, you do, and you kind of enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 09:53 PM
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This isn't a shit test, this is an attempt to humiliate the man for presuming that he's worthy of talking to her. So one up her. How about this one, whip out your phone, take a pic/pretend to take a pic, and say "Haha, Facebook is going to love this one!". Trying to gross out Beta Billy is one thing, her fear of the social fallout from a picture of her knuckle deep on the internet is quite another.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 09:33 PM
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Anyone here want to defend this guy? He's given a sorry-I-was-drunk-and-need-help-for-substance-abuse apology. The current cultural mood is that he can be forgiven after he goes to "rehab". Does red pill teach clueless men to avoid acting like this Not really. TRP doesn't talk much about public masturbation, skee-ball strategy, or proper tire inflation either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 09:25 PM
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This is a large percentage of these bloopers' issues in a nutshell. They're obsessed about some kind of gender-normative oppression construct that they heard about in school, while TRP is over here just trying to get our pricks sucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 08:58 PM
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It's both. The behavior has always been there, latent and waiting. AWALT. Changes in the culture in the last 60ish years have allowed womens' natures to become more and more unbridled. There's not as much of a social penalty any longer for a woman to keep her hypergamy in check.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 08:35 PM
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This is what TRP talks about when we say that women can't love men the way we want to be loved. This is what Ian Ironwood wrote about as caritas.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 08:13 PM
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Certainly, being treated to a deliberate nose picking isn't the worst thing that a low SMV man has received from an attractive woman whom he's dared to hit on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 07:44 PM
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but also because its funnier AKA, there's more than just expediency that caused the nose picking. Ladies and Gents, this is an example of Trickle Truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 07:42 PM
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i picked and ate before i got an opportunity to do that. Haha, you decided to blatantly violate a common social convention with the intended effect of making another person repulsed enough to leave, because that was somehow 'faster' than saying "no thank you". Ladies and Gents, the hamster in action.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 07:23 PM
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Can you empathize with fat chicks that complain that they can't get laid? Probably not, because you think they should lose weight first. If I was a former fat chick who was bombarded with "big is beautiful" and "someone will love you the way you are" messages for 20+ years then I might have some empathy for similarly-lost fat chicks now. And the same is how we feel about those bottom 80%. I understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 03:43 PM
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Feminism and liberalism has ruined the number of marriageable woman out there, and only the top 20% are relishing their sexual paradise. To point out the obvious: unless you have a plan to undo feminism, liberalism, easy birth control, and easy transportation/anonymity, you aren't going to undo the last 60-ish years of culture. So if you decide to do what's necessary to be a top 20% man, you too can relish in sexual paradise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 02:57 PM
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I'm trying to show you how to empathize with a bottom 80% man, not advocating for their position.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 02:50 PM
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But, a lower 80% man isn't getting laid much. Changing his sex positivity without changing anything else won't get him laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 02:22 PM
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Pretty sure a murder/suicide of one's family isn't the best option.
/r/TheRedPill15/01/16 11:06 PM
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Is the comment wrong or inaccurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 04:58 PM
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Note how the tone of the comment makes you jump to the worst conclusion possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 04:50 PM
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How easy or hard it is for their expected gender roles. Homos that are out are generally given a free pass on gender roles. You might as well look at a flamboyant gay man in NYC and use him as an example for a straight man in the small town South.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 04:36 PM
14

In real life, men are at an extreme legal disadvantage in terms of domestic violence. A man is presumed guilty until proven innocent when a woman makes a DV complaint. This is one of the reasons that marriage and even cohabitation aren't recommended. So yeah, actually smacking a bitch around isn't a good idea at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 04:20 PM
1

Perhaps homosexuals are held to different standards than the overwhelming majority of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 04:08 PM
2

It's not a surprise that people who are social and sexual failures need the same kind of advice. Red pill ideas work more or less, whoever is giving them and however they're presented.
/r/askTRP14/01/16 03:35 PM
2

Nope. Not looking to force help on anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 03:31 PM
4

Lots of men and lots of women engage in slut and virgin shaming. I'm giving you an explanation as to why.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 03:29 PM
3

The reverse of this is the virgin shaming dichotomy. Men and women are held to different standards. The reasons go beyond jealousy, and this is proven by how widespread these things are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 03:19 PM
3

No, marriage is still a fool's game.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 03:15 PM
4

It's the slut/stud dichotomy. Casual sex is easy for women and hard for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 03:14 PM
2

It's a lingering effect from the prior social norms of damily, marriage 1.0, chastity, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 03:13 PM
2

We want to keep out concern trolls and similar. We're happy to accept betas and omegas that are ready to be unplugged. Y'all's outrage is a great advertising mechanism.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 03:05 PM
3

Alternatively it's always exploiting them, because women lack agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 03:02 PM
6

There are tons of men that get laid without TRP, too. You have no point to make, you're just throwing shit.
/r/TheRedPill13/01/16 07:56 PM
8

it seems that On the sidebar is a story of a man who was contemplating suicide because of loneliness. The sentiment isn't rare or strange, that's why it's on the sidebar. That isn't an advocacy for suicide any more than the above post is an advocacy for murder. Stop with the concern trolling, already.
/r/TheRedPill13/01/16 07:45 PM
0

belongs in that married red pill sub
/r/TheRedPill13/01/16 07:06 PM
12

So, if girls that want to have casual sex use the pill and the pill makes them crave feminine guys why is hypermasculinity still promoted as the only thing that works? Because most of the men who come to TRP are pussies. They need a successful model to follow and Chad is the best one for where they are. "Be more like a twink" isn't going to get these guys anywhere good.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 06:33 PM
5

There's shit in any part of the world, it's only natural that in the millions that come, hundreds to be shit. Putting them all in the same bucket is just fear. That's exactly the point. Here in TRP you learn about how to improve yourself, to get out of your comfort zone. why not do it in every matter? Correct again.
/r/TheRedPill13/01/16 05:08 PM
1

You stated in your OP that the answers were truthful. I'm telling you that this can't be determined. Thus, the answer is that I don't believe any of them due to the manner in which the question was asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 04:56 PM
2

You've got it backwards. In real life you can't know that the answer is truthful, you get the answer and need to decide if it's truthful. You're assuming perfect knowledge, as if this were a poker game where you can see your opponent's cards. That's a fantasy scenario, in real life you can't see their cards and you have to guess at what they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 04:48 PM
5

A plate is a woman who gets sex but not commitment. This is bad because a woman's sexual strategy is geared towards commitment, she will dole out sex in exchange for it (or for the hope of it...). A man's sexual strategy is geared towards sex, he will dole out commitment in exchange for it (or for the hope of it...). Therefore the equivalent of a plate, for a man, is a beta orbiter. He gives his prize (commitment) without getting what he wants (sex) in return. TRP advises men to not become orbit…
/r/askTRP13/01/16 04:42 PM
3

she gives you one of these (truthful) answers Your premise is flawed that these are all truthful responses. Women know that a higher N number lowers their RMV. Thus they have an incentive to lie about it. You can't be at all sure of the truth unless you go about asking the question much more subtly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 04:36 PM
7

As a European, how would you propose to prevent mass gang rape? Pre-emtive castration?
/r/TheRedPill13/01/16 04:29 PM
7

Feminists don't understand the consequences of what they advocate for. The cause and effect explained above is lost on them. They've lived their lives coddled in first-world civilization. Indoor plumbing, paved streets, garbage collection, a publicly paid police force, these are all things that "just happen". Oppression to them is a man sitting spread legged on the subway. A present and topical example are the feminist types protesting to agitate that European governments let in even more young,…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 04:25 PM
1

I was up to six or seven at one point. The analogy of the cat is apt, it was too many for me. I was gorging myself on pussy and neglecting my own life. I've let a couple slide via reduced contact and another one fell on her own. I'm thinking of reducing this to basically 3, two steadies and an ex GF who lives near.
/r/askTRP13/01/16 04:06 PM
4

I'd like to see a reasoned and thoughtful post from a BP type who has made an honest effort to understand and implement RP ideas in an attempt to fix their sex lives, who found concrete reasons why RP ideas didn't work for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 04:03 PM
3

From a search of /r/ sex for "UTI": https://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/ecmwj/for_women_who_get_utis_after_sex/
/r/askTRP13/01/16 03:56 PM
1

Looks, Money, Status, Game. Those are the basic ingredients. I'd agree that Game is the most important of those, it can compensate for the others and a lack of Game will sink you.
/r/askTRP13/01/16 03:38 PM
13

It's a spectrum right? Stocks>Bonds>Precious Metals>Canned goods + firearms, in terms of value versus social stability. The farther to the right you go the more things are worth, as social stability drops.
/r/TheRedPill13/01/16 03:12 PM
14

Getting some pussy won't change everything but it will change a significant enough portion of things that it would probably get them on the right track. Throughout history, men have killed and died for access to women.
/r/TheRedPill13/01/16 03:09 PM
5

I'm saying that you should deal with the pejoratives and giving you two ways to do so. Both of those involve getting thicker skin and becoming less emotionally involved with the opinions of society in general and women in particular. Let. Them. Yap.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 04:31 AM
5

The issue isn't women - women are what they are. The issue is the gynocentric legal system that gives them disproportionate power over you.
/r/askTRP13/01/16 04:09 AM
7

Who said anything about an individual woman's caution? I'm speaking of society in general and the two proper responses from weak men in particular. Not everything is about you honey.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 03:45 AM
8

Weak women are treated like shit By some individuals, sure. By society, not in the slightest. you want women to be weak. I want women to be feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 03:17 AM
11

I think that the desire for sexual contact is rooted far deeper in our psyches than the desire for bowling.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 03:15 AM
11

Weak men are treated like shit. Always have been, always will be. Feminist talk about equality, justice, understanding, fairness, whatever, is just so much powertalk on behalf of Team Woman. The solutions are to either not be a weak man, or to drop out. Not to complain about the injustice of it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 02:37 AM
18

Then maybe you should stop defining your social life in terms of "attaining girls". "Have you tried not wanting stuff?"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 02:34 AM
2

I'm not here to save the world. I have my hands full with my own life, and can't be bothered to do what would be required IRL to get "the message" out there. Realtalk is much easier, and keeping it online and pseudonymous makes it simple to execute.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 02:33 AM
9

So, don't cohabitate either.
/r/TheRedPill13/01/16 01:10 AM
0

No, that blue pill sub is why you don't talk about red pill ideas in real life. 20K people that are so worked up over this that they need to gather and slap each other's backs about how awful we are and plot (ineffectually) on how to shut us down. In real life there's real life consequences to hurting people's feelings, especially people whose feelings matter more than real life. This is where the fight club analogy breaks down - fight club wasn't an attack on Team Woman. TRP is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 12:25 AM
3

Lucky for us "Game" isn't real. That's some made up bullshit by ugly POA's. Not true. Responding to a shit test is game. Escalation is game. Etcetera.
/r/askTRP12/01/16 07:49 PM
9

It's bad for a woman you're trying to game, to be aware that you know about game/PUA. It's a huge turnoff if you don't "just get it". As far as a general awareness of game? Women kid themselves about their abilities to spot pickup. It's like plastic surgery, you only see bad pickup.
/r/askTRP12/01/16 07:47 PM
30

Did you employ red pill during marriage No, I was a thirsty beta chump. Divorce rape is the end-game for any blue pill marriage. Divorce is a Sword of Damocles hanging over your head, simply due to the facts of the legal system we live in.
/r/TheRedPill12/01/16 07:32 PM
75

How many personal testimonies do you need? I spent over a year of my life and a very nice car's worth of assets getting rid of my ex wife and it's lucky I didn't end up in jail. Don't get married.
/r/TheRedPill12/01/16 07:18 PM
2

Well I wasn't suggesting that we care about a man's notch count. I was actually saying that most of us don't care at all. You just said you cared: But I think most of us would prefer a man who has been in two or three LTR's rather than 50+ one night stands. Get your story straight.
/r/askTRP12/01/16 06:28 PM
2

Doesn't matter if you're as pure as the drive snow, honey. If we're not fucking in relatively short order I'm bouncing. Maybe you're some special perfect princess, but there's a sufficient population of women that are giving it up easy. I'm not interested in you, personally. Women are more or less interchangeable. The game I run works well for me. Maybe it wouldn't work on you, nobody cares.
/r/askTRP12/01/16 06:24 PM
2

thanks for demonstrating how red pill guys really, really don't understand women. k Women don't want men with high notch counts (as a woman I can verify that.) Yup, that's what they say. You know something that I've never been seriously asked before fucking a woman? That's right, how many other chicks I've been with. I've been asked and have replied with something like "you mean today? [think for a bit] Three" and proceeded to F close. It's obvious that I've been in this rodeo before when I've g…
/r/askTRP12/01/16 06:21 PM
2

Clubs are hard environments, especially if you're lame and thirsty.
/r/askTRP12/01/16 06:10 PM
5

Not being a little bitch is necessary. Yeah, 5'6" sucks. But whining about it sucks more.
/r/askTRP12/01/16 05:57 PM
1

How far do you get? IOI? Kino? K close? How do you get blown out? Contempt? Ignoring you? Ghosting? How does the interaction usually go before you get shut down?
/r/askTRP12/01/16 05:56 PM
1

This is a horrible idea. Here's a headline on your local news: Pickup artist database used to stalk women! Local man implicated! Do you want to star in that shit show?
/r/askTRP12/01/16 05:54 PM
1

You get this feeling because you don't understand the context: The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.
/r/askTRP12/01/16 05:51 PM
1

What happens when you game chicks?
/r/askTRP12/01/16 05:49 PM
2

Alright, so your body's right. How's your game? What happens when you game chicks (any race)?
/r/askTRP12/01/16 04:41 PM
3

Post a shirtless pic, let's see how you compare.
/r/askTRP12/01/16 04:08 PM
1

In a second world country, the man would backhand her the instant she touched him. She'd never think of doing it in the first place.
/r/TheRedPill12/01/16 02:45 PM
7

What she means is, as long as you're taller than her, she doesn't care what the number is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 02:35 PM
14

It's not enough as a man to just be competent, to just be yourself, to just be socially normal, to just be presentable. This, ladies and gents, is what Morpheus called a splinter in your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 01:20 PM
1

Nothing guarantees success. But, some things have a better chance than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 06:06 AM
0

If not protector and provider, what role do men want to take in society? Fucking loose women and having a good time. But not for some hatred of traditional gender roles. Rather, it's too much risk for too little reward to be the protector/provider. Betas are waking up and deciding that the game isn't worth the candle. Work hard and provide? For what? To get rewarded with divorce papers and a restraining order when she gets bored? It's far better, for me, to be the man that women want for his dic…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 01:18 AM
1

I think that's fine too, as long as you attempt to escalate with her and don't fall into orbit.
/r/askTRP10/01/16 11:34 PM
2

Another option is to say nothing, see if she shows up, and mack on her. If she doesn't show, next her. If she shoots you down, laugh her off, next her.
/r/askTRP10/01/16 11:20 PM
3

Islam comes up because it's a threat to the West and to Christendom, and serves as an object lesson of red pill ideas. For instance, it shows what happens when an aggressive, masculine culture interacts with a passive and feminized culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 11:13 PM
1

Oh, you already said "yes" to the just friends date? Tell her your plans have changed, sorry, you can't make it.
/r/askTRP10/01/16 11:09 PM
1

The point is that masturbation and porn consumption ruin some mens' motivation. Some, not all. If you're not satisfied with your life, if like OP, you jack off and then don't really care, you should try cutting out the porn and not jacking off, to see if it helps you. It's like booze: some people can handle it, some can't.
/r/askTRP10/01/16 11:07 PM
3

Should I cancel the our "date"... I´m not really considering option 1, since it could backfire on me, because it could come of as me being butthurt ... No, this is you hamstering a reason to fall into beta orbit around her. Soft next, drop contact, move on. There is zero upside to you demonstrating beta orbiter status to her and her peer group.
/r/askTRP10/01/16 11:01 PM
23

When I read the word "misogyny" I mentally replace it with "blasphemy". Turns out, the text makes just as much sense the one way as it does the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 10:55 PM
23

What do trp people say about this conversation? It's funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 10:42 PM
2

Treat her like a grumpy child. "Is baby upset?" "Do you need a blankie?" Amused mastery is the attitude you want here.
/r/askTRP10/01/16 10:04 PM
1

Sounds like it's bike, bus, or try to get her to come to you, or next her. She's not super invested, so there's no good choice. Gotta decide what you want.
/r/askTRP10/01/16 09:58 PM
7

Doesn't sound good man. She ought to be enthusiastic and responsive. I'd pay this one straight - grab her ass. If she says it's creepy, just pull her in and hold her. Try to get a read on what's going on, tease her about it, ask about it casually. Unless you get something that makes sense, this is time for some soft dread.
/r/askTRP10/01/16 09:52 PM
1

Can you take public transit to the city center? Do you want to?
/r/askTRP10/01/16 09:40 PM
14

If you want to see him bang other women, what about finding one to join you two?
/r/askTRP10/01/16 09:38 PM
7

Need more context. Is she joking? Disgusted? Jealous?
/r/askTRP10/01/16 09:37 PM
1

So don't go out to restaurants. Go to a bar with live music (dancing/kino). Go to an outdoor venue where you can walk around (direct her/kino). Personally my first date approach is somewhere for drinks with an opportunity to change venues, isolate and escalate. I pay and don't make a big deal of it. I've had decent success with this.
/r/askTRP10/01/16 09:36 PM
3

Displaying a skill isn't beta. Take the lead, teach her something. Show her how to stir or chop, perfect kino opportunity. Tell her to bring an ingredient and then make something for her. I'm saying to find an equitable split and suggesting more subtle things than telling the bitch to pay.
/r/askTRP10/01/16 08:46 PM
3

There's ways to make her pay or put in work. For instance, she asks when she can see you again, you reply "Next week. Where are you taking me?" Or tell her to come over and cook for you.
/r/askTRP10/01/16 08:36 PM
1

Doesn't matter, because only one of those is possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 06:58 PM
1

It's because those guys are inexperienced and passive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 06:55 PM
1

The system needs to collapse, not be reformed. The college system is by and large a scam.
/r/TheRedPill10/01/16 06:01 PM
1

You should try picking up women instead of watching.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 05:58 PM
1

Nigga, your "unicorn" cheated? You contradicted yourself in two words. Get a grip, this ain't no unicorn.
/r/askTRP09/01/16 09:33 PM
3

Because she wants to keep his commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 09:25 PM
1

Nope try again
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 07:43 PM
2

I'm far from riled up, but it's easier for you to say that than it is to concede the point. You go do you, boo.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 07:35 PM
2

Sure. Which implies what, regarding their arguments?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 07:29 PM
2

Expertise on raising crotch fruit doesn't make you an expert on fucking women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 07:27 PM
2

You failed to answer the quotation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 07:22 PM
3

That's because you don't understand dread game.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 07:21 PM
2

You need a better plan than letting dude bang her and then hoping you're the invited third. Go to the swamp, have fun, work on this chick when you come back. Work on other chicks too.
/r/askTRP09/01/16 07:14 PM
16

What the fuck? I'm actually impressed. Consider: No sex will be happening on this date; Dude will need to make sure the kids are entertained; By accepting, dude is taking on the stepdaddy role on the first date; This is a bet big win big tactic from her. Any dude that agrees to this is slotted as a beta provider instantly. Hard next this stupid cunt.
/r/askTRP09/01/16 07:08 PM
3

Kind of. Aside from the dread game nukes, there are no explicit demands made. You do you and let her hamster do the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 06:59 PM
6

Right, shit tests are fitness tests.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 06:57 PM
3

Deserve, sure, but it also goes to show how TRP/mgtow/the sexodous/misandry bubble follow naturally, inevitably, from those things.
/r/TheRedPill09/01/16 04:56 PM
3

Uh yeah, this is malarkey, read the last paragraph.
/r/TheRedPill09/01/16 04:51 PM
2

There are no guarantees. Anyone offering you a guarantee of success in the sexual marketplace is lying to you. Thinking that "texting right" is guaranteed to work is a recipe for failure. You need to set this up and see how it goes. I'm not seeing a plan. That means privacy for the 3 of you. What's your plan there?
/r/askTRP09/01/16 04:40 PM
21

It's what men and women are attracted to. Men are visual, so a woman either is, or is not, too fat for me to fuck. Right now.Being fat before doesn't affect her now. Women are attracted based on more subtle and varied characteristics, what we'll call "alpha" for short. A huge part of that is her belief in him being alpha. That's why pickup works, and why confessing to being a PUA is a panty dryer. That's why breaking frame is a turn off, he shows he's not really alpha. A woman who's a confessed …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 04:34 PM
21

Note that this is a fundamental difference between men and women. If a fatty asked me the same question, I told her to lose weight, she did, it'd be on. Lame dudes don't understand this, they expect women to think like they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 04:14 PM
4

"K, set it up", and forget about it. If she comes back with plans then it's on. If she goes silent then forget her.
/r/askTRP09/01/16 04:04 PM
3

I never claimed that. My claim was much more limited and defensible. Please respond to my claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 03:17 PM
3

You fail to see the point. The main TRP sub exists for a practical purpose. The blue pill sub exists for an expressly emotional purpose. Overwhelmingly, the argumentation mirrors that. Red pillers are looking to get their pricks sucked, blue pillers are looking for outrage porn. I'm not interested in other people's outrage other than how to avoid it in real life. If I'm wrong I guess I'll have a sad little lonely prick, but that's not the way things have turned out, so my beliefs and practices m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 03:03 PM
15

These hoes ain't loyal. Anon's dad doing the cucking is a particularly nasty twist of the knife, but aside from that this is classic. Hoe gonna hoe, hoe gets caught, hoe denies. Confronted with evidence, the "trickle truth" starts combined with excuses. These. Hoes. Ain't. Loyal. OP: get that, and get it good. You need to mitigate this by not getting to invested, and the best way to do that is to have multiple plates.
/r/askTRP09/01/16 02:34 PM
4

Can't be bothered to find them. The emotional vs practical dichotomy should be self evident though - what's the purpose of that blue pill sub again?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 02:24 PM
8

Many blue pill types want to shift the topic of discussion off what I want to talk about. I'm about efficacy, they're about their personal feelz. They write a lot of text about their feelings because red pill ideas hurt them badly. I ignore that shit, it's not relevant to the matter at hand. I suspect I'm not alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 02:18 PM
24

No, dread game is more like playing hard to keep.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 02:10 PM
1

Neither men or women would be best served in the area of sexual strategy by unilateral disarmament and surrender.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 02:10 PM
0

This is low risk, low reward. The worst thing that happens is i get ignored. Asking someone to put their academic future in jeopardy to expose a bimbo is high risk, low reward. What's the worst that could happen to them, in these times?
/r/TheRedPill09/01/16 07:16 AM
0

Because I'm busy living my life for myself. Not for others.
/r/TheRedPill08/01/16 09:24 PM
-6

You go save the world. I'll work on saving myself. I get all the benefits of your work and all the benefits of mine.
/r/TheRedPill08/01/16 08:18 PM
2

Most important, if you expect it to be the most upvoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 05:31 PM
25

Sounds like a great way to get expelled. Expect charges of harassment, intimidation, wiretapping, whatever can be thrown at them. Every single SJW would come out and defend Team Woman.
/r/TheRedPill08/01/16 05:29 PM
2

Should, according to what standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 05:16 PM
7

The contempt comes through in the tone. It's no
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 02:42 PM
9

PPD's collective lack of empathy and sneering contempt for lame men never ceases to amaze me. This, more than anything else, shows why TRP is needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 12:51 PM
10

"Just be yourself" is advice that's intended to make the advice giver feel better, not to help the recipient. Else, it wouldn't need a fucking translation from vague platitudes to English.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 12:40 PM
23

I hope op didn't call them out. He's there to get a piece of paper - an employment credential- and hopefully learn something along the way. He's not there to make trouble for himself, which is what calling out these bimbos would do.
/r/TheRedPill08/01/16 12:33 PM
1

Lift. Builds confidence and muscle. Work on other things, hair, clothes, game. Practice. There's plenty of posts on TRP main about practicing approaches. Get rejected. A lot. Get used to it. If you're scoring occasionally you can't be that fucked up.
/r/askTRP08/01/16 11:43 AM
2

You're probably not my audience. But you make a good foil.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 11:38 AM
3

The point is that you can answer all your questions by attempting to fuck these women. Friendzone or fuckzone, you'll figure it out quick. The problem is that you're afraid of what the answer is going to be. That fear is what makes beta orbiters.
/r/askTRP08/01/16 11:22 AM
0

I don't need to compare dicks on the internet, kid. What's the downside to being honest here?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 11:12 AM
12

You miss the fact that most of the men that need TRP are pussies. Telling them to act like an asshole pushes them away from pussydom and towards a normal functional high SMP type behavior. Obviously if you are utterly socially inept Going on the internet to figure this shit out qualifies you as inept.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 10:39 AM
3

What does it mean when she waves at me? Fuck if I know, OP. But I do know how to find out. Ask her out on a date, isolate, and escalate sexually until you fuck them or get blown out along the way. Possible responses from her and your reaction: I don't see you like that/LJBF -- "K", cut contact, next. Hard rejection to escalation -- laugh at her, cut contact, next. Soft rejection to escalation/won't F close -- stay cool, another date, try again. Don't fawn over her at this point. Texting is for l…
/r/askTRP08/01/16 10:23 AM
16

Don't believe you. She's already told you you're a bank account to her, and you're ready to forgive that.
/r/TheRedPill08/01/16 10:12 AM
4

You make yourself more attractive via hard work. It's not easy. You want easy. By marrying this chick you think you've found a way to make it easy. You're wrong.
/r/TheRedPill08/01/16 10:10 AM
2

Need a haircut? Get a haircut.
/r/askTRP08/01/16 09:44 AM
1

I go for the number close with the rationale of setting up a date. If you close you get a couple things: the number, her to agree to go out, and you get her off the dating site, where you're not competing with 50 other dudes.
/r/askTRP08/01/16 08:19 AM
2

Ask her out, sexually escalate. Google for the DeCarlo Escalation Ladder and read that.
/r/askTRP08/01/16 08:12 AM
1

Abusive behavior results in a hard next. Exactly what you are doing.
/r/askTRP08/01/16 08:11 AM
10

I think the advice is retarded and betrays a lack of understanding of beta/omega men. They can't "be themselves" because "themselves" are sexually unattractive. Making themselves attractive involves, among other things, learning game. This is the point at which I'd invite the op to share his experiences as a man, pulling himself out of betahood and becoming sexually successful, but I can tell from the username that's not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 08:04 AM
1

Hard fucking work, and it doesn't come out of nowhere. It only seems that way because unsuccessful people don't get noticed. People see me with a good career and multiple women. They didn't see me when I was contemplating checking out for good. /r/theredpill sidebar links to start. You're far from the first man who's involuntarily celibate. /r/asktrp is another resource. But you need to fix yourself. Weed, too much time on the internet, no exercise are likely problems of yours. On the plus side …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 07:56 AM
1

You can experience and share kindness and still not share of yourself fully, just like you can eat some and not get fat. What you can't do in either case is to indulge to the point that you become repulsive to your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 03:21 AM
1

Satisfactory results.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 11:41 PM
1

Used to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 11:19 PM
1

Incels aren't normal people. They need theory and practice spelled out in excruciating detail.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 11:11 PM
3

I'm living with myself just fine. Your hurt feelings are not my ethical imperative.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 11:08 PM
1

Let's hear your field reports. I'm not interested in what you believe, I'm interested in how many shanks you're digging out with what you practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 10:48 PM
8

So you'd prefer prison to section 8 housing?
/r/MGTOW07/01/16 10:45 PM
5

You can have sex without saving hoes. Like the song says But not B see I'm a hog up out the V And my motto is fuck a hoe and hit the throttle
/r/MGTOW07/01/16 10:44 PM
1

Making a more effective TRP. "Ta daa"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 10:33 PM
1

Cool, so it's actually not so easy after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 10:25 PM
1

Is the zoologist a chick? If not, how often does he get laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 10:20 PM
1

If you want to bust up TRP you have to do more than just make a comment reply. That's all (all) you need to do. Starting to get it yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 10:18 PM
1

Ok cool. Meanwhile TRP still has well north of 100k subscribers. Looks like you're missing something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 09:38 PM
5

What dude bangs scores of women every year who are virgins in their late 20s? Lol nope on that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 09:34 PM
8

I disagree. Pussy power is a woman's built in passive dread game. It's automatic because she has a vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 09:22 PM
2

Chad's personality characteristics help get him laid like tile. Chad doesn't care about being your ideal partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 09:13 PM
2

Or, that it isn't the only change he needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 09:10 PM
1

I'd answer the comfort test with sexual escalation. Look at her seriously, say "let's see", the cop a good feel with both hands. At the end, say "I like them". This provides comfort but avoids confirming that she has small tits, gets her used to giving you access to her body, and reinforces that your approval is what she should want. Deeds not words.
/r/askTRP07/01/16 09:07 PM
2

Ok, so go create your more effective TRP. Because that's all (all) it would take to sink TRP- something better coming along.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 09:02 PM
1

Okay, assume TRP is an illegitimate philosophy. Now what?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 01:27 PM
2

Like many outsiders you have no clue as to just how lame the average red piller was before his unplugging. Y'all sneer about how this or that isn't exclusive to TRP but fail to understand that TRP was the first exposure to these things for many of its members. That's why TRP has terms like "passive dread". We needed to engineer things that most people understand intuitively.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 12:55 PM
3

Interesting. That's a boundary one of my plates laid down when we started looking for another woman together. No cuddling overnight, that's hers. Is that a common attitude for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 12:37 PM
3

Everyone's got their thing and some of those things are really out there. Go on your local Craigslist casual encounters and see.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 12:30 PM
1

Because sex is also partially about shared desire. It speaks to a very fundamental part of your brain that someone wants to fuck you. Sex from pity has none of that. The woman's attitude and approach would be critical here. Something like "I get turned on by inexperienced guys" would be fine with most incels. "I feel so bad for you and you're so pathetic that I'm going to let you fuck it" would not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 12:28 PM
3

Stare at them, back at her, smirk: "I can't tell with that shirt on"
/r/askTRP07/01/16 11:59 AM
16

Beta men are validation and attention sluts. They give it away so freely that it's worthless.
/r/TheRedPill07/01/16 11:53 AM
2

This is why you go for the F-close early and often, gents. I won't be putting my fingers on Ikea until I've put fingers in her.
/r/TheRedPill07/01/16 02:13 AM
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No. From men who have gone through the process of making themselves successful. Naturals give shit advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 01:59 AM
2

Expertise matters
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 10:27 PM
3

If it'd watched more rap videos I wouldn't have needed TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 03:50 PM
7

Then your OP is extremely unclear.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 03:48 PM
5

What you miss is that the level of trust required to sleep with a woman and the time required to develop that trust can both be quite small. Come back here after you've banged some chicks within a few hours of meeting them, and then tell us about trust. Gotta love these blue pill types coming in here and lecturing men who are successful at casual sex, as to why what t g eyes do won't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 03:42 PM
1

Well, it turns out that faking it works pretty well.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 02:22 AM
5

TRP makes men more attractive. Y'all don't like to watch that particular sausage get made though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 01:59 AM
3

Women will to have fun with a hot guy but when it comes time to settle down, will choose a stable and caring partner who can provide for a family. This is a fun exercise in powertalk, but what's the point? Red pill ideas are just "common sense" according to the blue pill types on this sub. They're just offensive to the majority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 01:52 AM
3

The purpose is to effect change in individual men, not in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 10:03 PM
6

Contemptuous laughter indicates otherwise. You're a woman, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 10:00 PM
3

As a former omega I can tell you that a woman's disdain cuts far more deeply than a man's. Especially when it's her rejecting your clumsy move or laughing at your failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 07:19 PM
6

I'd adjust that statement to say that it's not female nature that's being disregarded but rather the sexual marketplace. Both mgtow and TRP understand the game. TRP is applying cheat codes, MGTOW is refusing to play.
/r/MGTOW04/01/16 04:23 AM
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