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Sciencehodlbtcxrp/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 12:34 PM
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Discussionhodlbtcxrp/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 04:42 AM
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hodlbtcxrp/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 09:25 AM
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hodlbtcxrp/r/MGTOW02/01/18 08:41 AM
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hodlbtcxrp/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 09:17 AM
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Question For Womenhodlbtcxrp/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 08:59 AM
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Sciencehodlbtcxrp/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 09:33 AM
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I think people who become radicalised to the point where they are abusive need to be accountable for it rather than being excused by saying they were driven to radicalisation because of society etc. Regardless, what is done is done. Women should definitely be very cautious of men. In South Korea, the "Four No's" movement is very strong there among women (no dating, no marriage, no sex, no children). I am surprised that this movement is not strong among women in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:34 AM
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Chances are you are in a conservative echo chamber because of the algorithms on social media. Misogyny is very common among conservatives and their echo chamber. I think definitely women and especially young women should be very cautious around men and consider going WGTOW to protect themselves. At all times they need to ensure that they are independent and never give up that independence no matter what. The moment they give up their independence to another person, they will be abused. All diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:25 AM
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Artificially enhancing your attractiveness is not exclusive to females.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 03:47 AM
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Basically life will naturally form a hierarchy and within this hierarchy there will be suffering. The only way to eliminate all suffering is to gradually depopulate life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 01:18 PM
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I also just haven’t seen any sign that women see a man’s virginity as some kind of desireable trait, so it makes sense they wouldn’t try to preserve it themselves. That's basically the argument OP made in reverse. There is no sign men see a woman's virginity as some kind of desirable trait, so it makes sense they wouldn't try to preserve it themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 01:57 PM
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I personally agree. I was thinking of being a passport bro and go overseas to find a woman, but supposedly women overseas are very traditional, which is not what I want. Why pay 100% for a traditional woman when I can go for an egalitarian woman and get 50% off?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 01:53 PM
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My point is that genes are not everything. People change their views when they learn new information. The two sides of the political spectrum can hold different policy positions over time as the specific politics of a country evolves, but if we look at conservatives vs liberals, generally conservatives are anti-contraception and tend to procreate more. Yet over time many societies have become less conservative eg many countries allow women to vote and allow them to drive etc (not all). In the pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 09:39 AM
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I would argue that learning to settle helps one develop critical thinking skills that help people understand what is actually important to them, out of many things, and teaches them how to prioritize these things that are important. You can use the same argument for not settling ie not settling means you understand that having a good partner is important to you, you have the critical thinking skills to go against the mainstream view that you cannot be alone, and you prioritise those characterist…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 10:39 AM
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It's a competition among the different options. A woman or man who is afraid of being alone may need to settle, but a woman or man who is not afraid of being alone does not need to settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 10:37 AM
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You're missing the point. The point is that there is no need to settle if you don't care about being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 10:36 AM
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Political views often aren't genetic. If it were, we'd expect to see opposition to contraception grow over time because those who are anti-contraception will breed a lot and spread their anti-contraception views genetically to their kids whereas the pro-contraception people will have fewer babies and over time the pro-contraception gene will die out. However, in reality, the opposite happened. Over time opposition to contraception e.g. condoms etc decreases over time. E.g. today only 7% of Ameri…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 10:32 AM
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Not to be outdone, Chinese youths now have a Ten No's movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 10:21 AM
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The WGTOW subreddit still exists today.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 10:17 AM
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Usually with movements, members are already living the principles long before the movement is fully defined.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 10:15 AM
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With work from home being normalised, there is nowhere to meet people romantically now other than dating apps or brothels.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 01:28 AM
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At this rate, a man could simply stop all this expenditure, live in a box, and opt for hookups with escorts costing $900-$2000, or get a sugar baby for $8k-10K. Are you costing escorts at $900 to $2000 per month? That is insane. The market rate is about $200 per hour, so let's say you have sex twice a month, that should be $400 per month. If you're still feeling very sexually aroused, just masturbate more, which costs nothing. I also think you are wasting an extreme amount of money chasing women…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 10:01 AM
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I don't see what the big deal is. They are just young girls having fun and having a good time. Even if they don't conform to "femininity" and act how tradition men want them to ie be doormats to men, isn't this a good thing? Women who are too submissive to men are more vulnerable to abuse. Women should be more more assertive and confident and know what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 09:24 AM
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I think one of the reasons why people don't have kids is because they interfere with work, and even if there is maternity leave, many people view those who take maternity or paternity leave as leeches. Their own gets palmed off on others who have to pick up the slack. Also many people are using maternity leave as a way to effectively get paid for doing nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 02:20 PM
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More like one or none.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 02:17 PM
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The magnitude of costs and benefits would be different for different people. For example, if someone were extremely ugly, he or she would face much higher costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 08:37 AM
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If the costs of Action A are estimated to be greater than the benefits of Action A, the winning move is to not engage in Action A, to not even try. This doesn't make the person a loser but rather makes them rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 06:57 AM
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What do they deserve? Do they deserve not passing on their genes as punishment because passing on genes is virtuous? Or do these deserve the benefits that come from not having children as a reward e.g. more money?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 06:55 AM
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I mean what did you expect? A subreddit about gardening or travel? There are already subreddits on gardening and travel. Being in a relationship is a social norm, so there is pressure from society to conform. The MGTOW or WGTOW subreddits I imagine can serve to encourage someone to keep walking along their path when society is telling them to take another path.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 06:51 AM
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How does a person applying the MGTOW or WGTOW label make them unhappy?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 03:18 AM
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I haven't seen WGTOW community There is a WGTOW subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 03:13 AM
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Ideologies like liberalism etc do not need to be spread from parent to kid. They can be spread through internet, books, people having conversations etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 02:44 AM
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Even scarier is that many women think the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 02:41 AM
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If submission is bad for men then it's bad for women as well. Gender makes no difference. Obviously if anyone is submissive, they will be taken advantage of, so unless someone wants to be taken advantage of, they need to take steps to increase their power, wealth, education etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 07:54 AM
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Technology is advanced enough nowadays that it is possible to have sex without having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 10:54 PM
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Ironically, once you stop chasing women you begin to draw their interest naturally without effort Everything sounds good except when you say this. Then it sounds like all this is done just because you're trying to attract women. The whole thing lacks credibility because you're just pretending not to like women just so you can attract women. It's like the child who is forbidden by their parents to play Candy Crush and threatens to leave home thinking "ironically, once I start walking away from ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 10:50 PM
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My observation is that it is mostly women who want a traditional relationship whereas men just want cheap sex. Women often try to find traditional men because they don't need to do much, stay home rather than work, and get paid for it. Men are often sex starved and so give in to these demands and become traditional. However, with the rise of porn and sex work legalisation in many countries, this gives power to men who can cheaply satiate their sexual desires. Hence women are more desperate and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 12:32 PM
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It's also traditional to blame women for everything even if men do it as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 12:22 PM
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A traditional model where the man is a provider and a woman stays at home looking after a child in a large suburban home is simply financially reckless nowadays. If you have any idea how to manage your finances, it is better to have two incomes and fewer children or none at all. The bucket is less likely to run dry when there is more water coming in and less leaking out.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 12:10 PM
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I'm sure not all women expect men to pay at dates. My bet is it's the conservatives ones. Just avoid those women and you'll be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 01:59 PM
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The other is working out for yourself, growing for yourself, doing for yourself. Yes but for women. Hence the "the women will follow" comment. Also I don't think women will necessarily follow if a man follows his dreams and ambitions. For example, suppose a man's dream is to work hard to save up just enough to be able to retire early and spend the rest of his life playing video games in his mother's basement. Maybe some women would like this, but mainstream female opinion is this guy is a loser.…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 09:38 PM
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Chase your dreams and ambitions, the women will follow. Isn't this still just chasing women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 12:06 AM
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Sure there are many highly skilled immigrants, but if you're looking to attract someone based on your income then this is more likely to be successful if you look for someone poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 12:03 AM
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I wonder if the solution is to warn more women. The main problem is the bait and switch problem eg the woman married a man thinking he is a gentleman when real he just wants to have rough sex with her. Women can be educated to be more wary and to consider being single. At the moment very many women seem to be obsessed with marriage and having a family when really such pursuits can be high risk can lead to abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 09:36 AM
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Yes but why travel to find the date when the date can travel to find you? It's easier. One obvious benefit is the hypergamy. So say you live in a developed country. A date may only want to be with someone with salary over $100k per year. She or he may be earning similar amounts. However someone from a poor country may be earning $20k per year and is happy if you are earning $50k. If course this doesn't work for rich immigrants.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 08:41 PM
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In many countries there has been an increase in the number of people living by themselves. See below an example from Australia. https://aifs.gov.au/media/households-shrink-more-people-living-alone
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 10:16 AM
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Don’t like it? Don’t marry and instead be a girlboss. It seems many are, which may be contributing to all the lonely men out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 10:05 AM
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Idiocracy confirmed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 04:54 PM
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You're typing on something that was produced in what is akin to slave labour. Your clothes most likely came from this too. The chocky milk you buy most likely came from child labour. The world is a bad place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 01:26 PM
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I do not think it is about liberal vs conservatism as much as it is about economic development. Economic development seems to lead to lower birthrates. Korea, China and Japan are all economically developed but are all conservative countries where the expectation is that women are caregivers and men are the breadwinners. Yet in these countries the birthrate is very low. The same applies to UAE and Qatar which are all highly conservative yet have low birthrate. The common thread among all these pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 01:38 PM
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There is not one single high birth rate society in the world that promotes women's freedom. What you do with this conclusion is really your own decision. "Give me liberty, or give me death!"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 12:41 PM
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We also need to factor in natural resource depletion. Even if a group of people breed a lot, there will be a point in time when parabolic population growth collides with the reality of finite natural resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 12:36 PM
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It depends on whether genes and parents make much of a difference to someone's values. A child growing up is influenced not just by genes and parents but also by their friends, news, social media, internet, books, teachers etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 12:30 PM
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Men who want virgins tend to be louder than most, but for many men promiscuity isn't that bad. I think many men like a woman who is a bit slutty and will initiate sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 08:23 AM
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I don't believe in this idea that it is a choice because studies show that the amount of babies that women have is lower than the amount they want, so clearly this is not a matter of choice. There are barriers that are causing a gap between actual and desired children. Money is one but it is not just money. Another is time. If people work more to earn more to pay for a higher cost of living, then they don't have time to have kids. Something else that may be causing people to have less babies is …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 05:36 AM
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Kids don't make you poor. Lack of income makes you poor. This is a false dichotomy fallacy. It is not either-or. Both kids and low income make you poorer. Kids do make you poorer because they are expensive. Lack of income also makes you poor. It's a contributing factor, but not a causal one. It is causal because kids cause an increase in expenses and an increase in expenses causes you to be poorer. Hence kids cause you to be poorer. And don't kid yourself, even the nice retirement homes are awfu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 05:29 AM
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I'd go with the 30+ year old woman. It's nice to have sex with a young woman, but if you pay her rent, food, and shopping, that could be about 2000 USD per month. Imagine how many young sex workers you can visit with that money. Nowadays women should be expected to work for themselves and pay for themselves rather than leech off men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 04:01 AM
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Indeed many people have pets to cuddle and got company but they don't need animals. But the same can be said about human children. Most people want a baby to cuddle and they want a connection, and you definitely don't need children.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 03:48 PM
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They have a menagerie of pets to "make up" for not having kids. What's wrong with having pets? Can't we blame mothers for having a menagerie of babies to "make up" for not having pets? Men and women can get lots of satisfaction and contentment from their pets.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 03:46 PM
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Like stop worrying about other people not wanting kids, it's such a weird ass thing to care about. Like how does it effect you? The people who feel the need.to convince others why they have kids are usually miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 03:43 PM
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Infertility is often blamed on the woman, but male sperm quality is often to blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 03:41 PM
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It's the battle between biological impulses and economic realities. In the past, the former easily beated the latter, but nowadays with higher cost of living and economic uncertainty, it is not clear who wins this battle until many decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 03:38 PM
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Your example isn't a single person, it's a person who is a dependent. I get your point, but a millionaire who has no responsibilities or obligations (eg kids) is not dependent. He is independent because he can live off his wealth forever without working.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 12:18 PM
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Both femininity and masculinity exist to encourage certain behaviors just like any other cultural norm or initiative because the good of society at large is the main concern. So masculinity involves conforming to behaviour that benefits society at large? Conformity is masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 11:15 AM
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It's great to fantasise about someone more powerful than you being your protector, but as they say, power corrupts, and absolute power absolutely corrupts. Power difference inevitably leads to exploitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:11 PM
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Rising cost of living is happening just about everywhere. A woman having a job and education is better off because she is can earn more to be able to keep up with the high cost of living. Not having kids also helps because kids are expensive. A great way to adapt to rising inflation is to focus on education, career and never having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 03:10 PM
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So natural resources are infinite?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 03:05 PM
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Those who think they cannot afford to have children due to unrealistic notions of social expectations will be replaced by those who ignored said social expectations You can safely ignore social expectations not to have kids but if you're too poor to have kids but have them anyway, then you'll end up on the streets or starve.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 02:41 PM
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Pyramid schemes do less damage when they collapse early or when they collapse gradually.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 02:36 PM
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When a woman has a job, she has more power and more control over her life. With the current housing costs like shit she does. Even if women with a job struggles with affording a house, a woman without a job would struggle even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 02:27 PM
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The ageing population is not a problem from the perspective of the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 02:20 PM
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Mean, median and mode are three different ways of calculating averages.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 02:16 PM
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I find it absolutely fascinating that the human race crumbles when women are more educated. This whole house of cards was built upon basically forcing women to depend on a man. That’s crazy. It is indeed crazy that rising TFR seems dependent on oppression of women. As such, if we value female autonomy and dignity, we should be celebrating depopulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 02:08 PM
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China's population is 1.4 billion. Global population is 8 billion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 01:45 PM
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There are plenty of women who are against the idea of having kids. For example r/femaleantinatalism has plenty of women who are against having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:09 PM
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The assumption here is that all women want to be girl boss feminists when they are young and then after 30 then suddenly want to become mothers. But really I think these are two separate types of women. The girl boss usually always is a girl boss and focuses on her career and the lady who wants to be a mother seeks that out early.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:05 PM
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Most guys want to be actually desired i think. If you don't care about being desired, why not hire a hooker? I mean what's wrong with hiring a hooker? Seems to make sense if you're rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 01:25 PM
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Virtually everything about you evolved to facilitate successful reproduction in some way. Consumer demand for condoms evolved to facilitate reproduction?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 02:23 PM
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Looks do matter if a man wants to attract women eg taller men with more muscles are more attractive. Having a six pac and nice clothes also help a man be more attractive. A man who wears dirty clothes everywhere will not attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 07:43 AM
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And many women as well care a great deal about their achievements and accomplishments.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 07:42 AM
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Many people love their dogs a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:45 AM
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This brings up a good question. If robots are so lifelike and you have sex with it, are you having sex? And even if you don't, does it matter? If you are getting what you need or desire, isn't that what matters? Let's imagine a woman has an operation to surgically enhance her vagina and you have sex with her. Is that sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:42 AM
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I mean isn't prostitution just a more efficient form of marriage? To say that ancient humans never had prostitution and therefore it doesn't factor into any evolved instincts today is like saying that ancient humans never had cars but rather used horses for transport and therefore cars do not factor into any evolved instinct today. Yet everyone drives a car.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 10:40 AM
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How does prostitution fit in with this? If a man is not rich enough then prostitution may be the only option. In some countries prostitution is legal and regulated by the government, so men can move to these countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 07:48 AM
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You're willing to accept gonorrhoea?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 07:14 AM
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OP never mentioned that the womam making this comment is a feminist, and if the comment is mocking men for not marrying or having kids, it's more likely to be a conservative woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 09:20 AM
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You're right I did go on a rant so I apologise. I am calmer now. Lucky no one really cares about your males “view” on women’s healthcare. Thank god your opinion is in the minority. What view on women's healthcare are you talking about? That the burden of pregnancy harms women economically and physically?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 01:11 PM
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Cleaning is important, but there is a reason why cleaners are not paid much. It is because it is not highly skilled, and also many traditional women do it for free, which lowers the market wage. If we want to value cleaning more, women need to stop giving away their labour for free. Also technology does make life easier. Cleaning a home is now very easy if you use e.g. vacuum cleaners. Prevention is better than cure, so if you have a small home or apartment and use technology such as a vasectomy…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 07:02 AM
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Which is why it behooves her to pick a suitable mate. She could pick a suitable mate, but there is no way to guarantee a mate will be suitable, so another option is to be single forever or to partner with someone but remain childfree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 02:11 PM
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You saying “woman’s jobs” is sexist thinking. No I said "Most of what you describe here as women's jobs are useless nowadays thanks to technology." So I am saying that what OP said is women's work such as cleaning or cooking is useless. I do not think cleaning or cooking is women's work. I think women should not be cooking and cleaning because they are low value work that can be done by machines or have been devalued because of technology eg robot vacuum cleaners. Assuming that cleaning jobs are…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 02:08 PM
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Schools and colleges don't teach boys and men to "be their own woman" (i.e. do their own household management, know how to buy and take care of clothes, cook food, schedule house cleaning activities, learn how to raise and take care of a child by yourself). Most of what you describe here as women's jobs are useless nowadays thanks to technology. For example, how hard is it to clean? Take a damp cloth and wipe it on a surface. Any man can do that. Cooking food is not hard. There are many videos o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 12:45 PM
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Job opportunities are mostly in certain cities that have high cost of living so if you want to be close to job opportunities you need to pay more. Most people don't have fully remote jobs and also most WFH jobs require two or three days in the office per week. Plus children, stay at home wife and a family home are expensive. Maybe you earn a lot and don't think so but with high inflation there are many who are struggling, and so they need to think about whether they can afford to have kids. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:54 AM
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I'm not saying there is anything wrong with a man who wants to give his money to his wife and kids and work forever. What I mean is that gender equality gives men an option to not be a provider if they don't want to be one. Not every man wants to hand over money to the wife and kids. Many men want to split things equally or they may not want to have kids so that they can retire early. Also people who use the inflation argument forget the are developing countries with high inflation but the men t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:25 AM
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Isn't this just glorifying exploitation? A slave has the slave master as well as other powerful people depending on him to provide labour, but the meaning behind all that is bleak exploitation. If a man works just go hand all the fruits of his labour to someone else, isn't this the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:09 AM
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If there is gender equality, there is less social pressure on men to be the provider. If a man wants to give money to the woman, that's his choice, but there are many men who don't like being providers. They want to have financial independence and financial freedom. What I mean is that in the past, during more traditional times, men had to become providers. Those men who want financial freedom and the ability to retire early (ie the FIRE movement) would have a hard time if they had to provider f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 08:38 AM
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if he ignores gender roles and isn't a provider he will never have a partner. Aren't there many couples where all expenses and responsibilities are split equally? Women don't like men who split things equally?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 08:33 AM
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The problem is that many of our needs, such as housing, food and love, come at a huge cost, and the price keeps rising, so it becomes prudent to economise.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 09:25 AM
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So basically men are using relationships to get cheap sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 09:23 AM
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Have you read Ted Kaczynski's Manifesto?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 09:21 AM
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What do you mean by Globalist? Are you talking about Jews?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 09:19 AM
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It depends what measurement you look at. For example, life expectancy has gone up, but what about eg environmental damage eg the Keeling curve? Or what about housing unaffordability eg look at the ratio of income to house prices which has been declining. Also look at all the charts below that suggest things have gotten a lot worse today than in the past. https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 09:14 AM
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I just don’t agree that this is somehow all young women’s fault Who is saying it is the fault of young women? We’re all looking at a shit economy where things like home ownership and having children seem out of reach or not worth it I agree. I think house and children are not worth it. If you live childfree in a small place, it's actually rather cheap to live and if you save diligently and invest, most people should be able to retire in their forties. But add in a family home and kids and you'll…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 09:07 AM
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An atomised, isolated population is caused by more individualism rather than collectivism. But there are benefits to individualism and isolation eg being shielded from harmful behaviour of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:27 PM
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Divorce rate is around 40% and I doubt the reasons for it are due to some political conspiracy theory. Likely it is due to more mundane reasons such as lack of attractiveness, money problems, cheating etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:24 PM
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So marriage and kids is the price men pay for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 12:37 PM
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As bitcoiners always say, "Don't trust. Verify." Given that it's impossible to verify that anyone will be a good partner because lying is easy and anyone can change over time, then it is better to be single forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 01:18 PM
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I've had a vasectomy so don't want kids, but I wouldn't mind having a wife. Out of those two options, given marriage and kids come as a package deal, I'll have to go with the bachelor.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 12:44 PM
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So you are against companies making a profit?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 11:48 AM
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This assumes that children being sterilized is a bad outcome. I would consider children growing up to become fertile is a bad outcome given that procreation is the root cause of all suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 11:47 AM
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I believe in efilism so have the opposite view. There is no debt on me to pay it forward or create life. Life is the root of all suffering so if anything there is a burden on me to help contribute to depopulation of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 11:41 AM
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In a lot of right wing spaces I've noticed Why are childfree men getting a free pass yet childfree women are blamed, mocked, and insulted? Quite simply right wing people think it is the woman's job to have kids, stay at home, clean the house, cook, be there to have sex if the man feels like it etc. Especially if people want a higher birthrate, I think it'd be more productive to like focus on economic policy like increasing housing inventory so young couples can afford to buy homes again The prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:25 PM
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Or just play with the toy forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:29 PM
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But being successful often requires you to be near jobs that allow you to be successful. For example, an actor is more likely to be successful living in or near Hollywood. A software engineer is more likely to be successful living in or near Silicon Valley and so on. We are talking about success and persistence here. If someone goes and lives far away eg get a small cabin in the wild and lives by himself or herself as a hermit on very little eg Ted Kascinski style, there is nothing wrong with th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:25 PM
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That's similar to contentment rather than success or persistence to achieve success.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:39 PM
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If a man wants a virgin, he is basically going to find hardly any women. High demand and low supply means high price. Also traditional genders roles require the man to pay for everything, so he will be on the hook to pay for a lot eg a big house, big car etc and he will end up being a wage slave. If he forgets about getting a virgin, he will have access to more women and also if he forgets about traditional gender roles, the woman will pay 50%
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:37 PM
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How much atrocity do women need to see before they start to significantly isolate themselves from men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:31 PM
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One fundamental thing a man and even a woman needs is a place to live, and as prices go up and up, it becomes necessary to keep reminding the young that persistence matters, but at some point the price gets so high that believing that persistence is all that is needed simply becomes delusional. So if persistence doesn't work, what other option is there? The answer is contentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:24 PM
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Plus you see many ugly things online that remind you how horrible humans are, so it's natural to be cautious of humans when the internet has exposed the reality of humanity for all to see. I think dwindling third spaces and more isolation play a role, but another related cause is rising misanthropy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:26 AM
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With people working from home now as well as education happening remotely as well as ordering products and food online and having it delivered to you, it is possible to go about your entire life in total isolation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:24 AM
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So what happens if you're a man who doesn't want to work?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 11:05 AM
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There is the paradox of conformist masculinity but there is also the paradox of assertive femininity. Many women claim that they want to be feminine and traditional stay at home wives. However, in order to get what they want, they must assert this, and assertion is masculine behaviour. So many women who want to be traditional put themselves into a position of submission to a man and assert that they want to be traditional etc. But by doing so the women are vulnerable to the man not living up to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 10:04 AM
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Well if many men are sexually attracted to weak women whom they can dominate, doesn't it make sense that women simply not bother with marriage, family etc? Women would then be forced to assume a weak position and make themselves vulnerable to a man, which can lead to abuse, rape etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 02:31 AM
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Traditional gender roles suck for both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 09:55 PM
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The difference is that money can be used to feed yourself and pay your own bills. Beauty doesn't pay the bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 09:52 PM
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There are many parents to regret having kids. See r/regretfulparents.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 01:53 PM
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Having kids doesn't help when you are old. Mostly kids are very expensive and you have little leftover when you're older so your kids throw you in an overcrowded nursing home. If you do not have kids, you'd be able to save up more and afford premium age care.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 01:53 PM
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Having kids is the root cause of the loss. Don't have kids and you don't need to keep someone home away from their work to look after the kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 01:48 PM
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Lying flat
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:07 AM
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I wouldn't take any male contraceptive pills because I've already had a vasectomy. I think the vasectomy is the best way for a man to sterilise himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 09:51 AM
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So don't have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 09:24 AM
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Almost things women want to prevent or avoid is mostly about avoiding responsibility: - Abortion and birth control to prevent parenthood. Parenthood is not a responsibility but a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 09:21 AM
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Definitely nothing is risk free, but if the divorce statistics are any indication, most women underestimate the risk rather than overestimate it. This can be balanced with greater awareness, education etc so that women manage this risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 09:12 AM
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This is all great. There is nothing wrong with a woman staying home and being supported by the man who pays for everything etc. The problem arises when the man stops being a provider and cheats, dumps the woman and goes off with a younger lady. If there are backup plans the woman makes eg significant savings in crypto, education, skills etc, then it's less of a worry. If there is children involved, the responsibility for raising kids is usually on her, so after a divorce she becomes a single mot…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 07:24 AM
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In business, there is a big difference between a manager and an owner. The manager is a leader who takes charge, takes responsibility etc, but the manager makes money that ends up with the owner. The owner is the dominant one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 12:59 PM
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That's a good point. It is similar to the issue of violence in porn or video game. The counterargument is that bots, porn or video games provide an outlet for violence. Men can take out their aggression on a bot rather than a real woman and hopefully the woman is simply left alone. It is also similar to plant based or cultured meat. Humans already like to eat animal meat, which causes harm on the animal, but if plant or cultured meat is eaten instead, the animal is not killed, so the plant based…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 09:18 AM
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On the plus side, an AI chat and sex bot can be safer. It is highly unlikely a bot will physically or mentally abuse a human with whom it is in an intimate relationship. Humans may be able to be happier in a relationship with a bot especially since the outcome of many human-to-human relationships is conflict and abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 03:34 AM
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Is doesn't work the other way around? Sex can also be a tool that serves to get more money. Supply of sex can result in more money eg for a sex worker or traditional wife. Also suppressing desire for sex can result in more money eg a regular client who visits a sex worker three times a month decides to only go once a month in order to reduce expenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 01:03 PM
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Some people will sacrifice money for sex, and some people will sacrifice sex for money. It is all a matter of preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 12:15 PM
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Who is to say reproduction is not a waste of time?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 11:18 AM
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I understand what productive and skilled means, but what do you mean when you say that honourable behaviour begets respect? Isn't honourable behaviour the same as behaviours that is worthy of respect? So it's just tautological?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:26 PM
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People should be chasing respect for sexual access instead of throwing away respect for sexual access. Isn't chasing respect compliant behaviour, which is not behaviour worthy of respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 11:30 AM
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Interesting to know as I am not from US.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 01:41 PM
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Men may never get periods but there are ways women can stop getting periods eg hormonal birth control methods, Depo-Provera injections, endometrial ablation, and hysterectomy. These are also effective contraceptives and can prevent pregnancy so a woman can avoid the "motherhood penalty" as well. Of course, when the birthrate drops, everyone who denied women menstrual or maternity leave will blame women for not having enough babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 01:19 PM
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Is there any mandatory leave in the US currently?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 01:06 PM
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I am not patriotic at all and believe that country borders are merely invisible lines drawn on a map by powerful people. If a war broke out, I'd convert everything to bitcoin and flee.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 05:50 AM
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Fair point. I was thinking of it from a male perspective but after thinking about it more realised it can affect both genders and tried to modify wording to reflect it, but clearly didn't fully do this. At the end I recommended, as a preventative measure, men get a vasectomy and women get a tubal ligation or bisalp. Surgical sterilisation is the best way to prevent baby trapping.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 11:01 AM
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Declining fertility rate is not necessarily negative. A smaller population can lead to a decrease in competition for jobs, which can improve job security and working conditions for workers. A smaller population can lead to less crowded living conditions, which can improve the quality of life for individuals. With fewer people to compete with for resources and space, individuals may experience less stress, more social support, and a greater sense of community.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 01:13 PM
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Let's say you put a huge tax on marriage. Is that an economic or social issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 09:33 PM
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Simple. Don't have kids. I've had a vasectomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 01:05 PM
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A fully free market capitalist sexual marketplace would do away with monogamous marriage and nuclear family and encourage harems headed by men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 09:34 AM
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Okay, but it's not clear in what ways a man is contributing to society more if women's sexual freedoms are restricted. For example if we made the assumption that more work means more society contribution and if we assumed that a man's attractiveness to women is purely based on how much he worked, wouldn't having a free market sexual market would increase how much men work because women have the freedom to be more selective?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 09:32 AM
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Ok true, but population is still growing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 09:27 AM
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It is possible to retire with US$1 million. There are many countries where you can live quite a comfortable and luxurious life with that money eg Southeast Asia or Eastern Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 09:39 AM
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You haven't really explained why having a free market sexual marketplace has been an overall negative for society other than to use words like "degeneracy" or "perverse." Would you really want the alternative which is a non-free sexually marketplace where you don't control with whom you have sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 09:35 AM
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The assumption here is that a high value man is one who can raise children, but the price of everything has gone up considerably, so having children is becoming less and less affordable. There are finite natural resources such as land, fossil fuels, certain metals etc and with exponential population growth over finite resources, it is inevitable that prices will go up, which makes having children more expensive. The solution is to have fewer children or none at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 09:26 AM
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There is a balance between motherhood and independence. Motherhood reduces independence. That many mothers end up in domestic violence suggest that they lean towards motherhood too much. Most women just expect fairy tale weddings. If enough young women are warned about the downsides of motherhood then sexual abuse, physics abuse, poverty etc can be avoided. A great way for a woman to eliminate the risk is to get a tubal ligation or bisalp.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 09:44 AM
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look for moral compass? Probably none. For a woman the most important thing is feeling, women call this "chemistry" How do you identify a moral compass other than "feeling"? Humans have evolved to be social creatures because being social creatures are advantageous than being loners. Let me ask you, who can build a house faster, 100 lazy workers or 1 hard working worker? Indeed working with others can help you build a house faster and there may be benefits of being in relationships, such as acces…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 09:45 AM
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Make it sound more attractive to women. I also think it's rare manosphereans respect women. Usually they are saying things like women don't have the ability to be autonomous, they need another man to make decisions for them, women cannot lead etc. They just want to trample on women, make her submit to him, baby trap her and use her as a sex slave.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 11:18 PM
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This is why women need to protect themselves. Never walk into a situation from which you cannot walk out. It applies to a boat as it does a marriage, pregnancy etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 11:06 PM
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Indeed they need to take initiative to put themselves in a position where they can walk away. It's like that saying that your greatest power is your ability to walk away. Women need to focus on education, career, money, investments, and contraception. They basically need to focus on what bring in cash such as education and career, what stores cash, such as real estate or stocks or even crypto, and avoid what sucks away cash such as having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 11:04 PM
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Good luck with nukes-armed psychopaths. Sincerely. You'll need it. Women face an immediate danger with the man they are with. Forty percent of marriages end in divorce. There are terrible odds whereas many developed countries are quite stable. Trying to fear monger women into being compliant by pointing to a Mad Max post-apocalyptic scenario comes off as desperate and demonstrates to women the sorts of techniques many men use in relationships to try to get women to be compliant.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 03:57 PM
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Okay, so a father is either able to vet properly or not. Before his daughter allows him to vet her future husband, she needs to vet her father to determine if he is capable of vetting her future husband. If vetting is difficult, you can get someone else to vet for you, but how do you vet for the quality of the vettor?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 03:48 PM
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A long term position in dogecoin has done quite well. I would argue that most people overestimate the risk of dogecoin and underestimate the risk of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 03:42 PM
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The boat is analogous to traditionalism. On a boat, the woman has no ability to walk away and so has no choice but to submit. Analogously, if a woman is financially dependent on a man, she has no ability to walk away and has no choice but to submit. Hence women need to give themselves the ability to walk away.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 03:09 PM
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So egalitarianism and sustainable reproduction rate cannot go hand in hand? In order to increase the total fertility rate you need to oppress women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 01:44 PM
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A woman is MOST independent and autonomous next to a man that loves her. A woman is LEAST independent and autonomous when relying on and trusting her safety and well-being to psychopaths with nukes in the government. Think about it this way. The failure rate of marriages can be measures by the divorce rate, which is 40 percent. From this statistic alone it is clear that love has a high failure rate. Government policy, and even the HR or organisational policies of a business she works for, is usu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 01:17 PM
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I'm talking about when a man who isn't a pos vets the suitors of his daughter properly So basically the way for a woman to properly vet a man is to make sure the father properly vets the man? But how does the woman make sure that the father properly vets the man? Does the woman need to vet her father now? Isn't it tautological to say that the way a father properly vets a man is if the father properly vets a man? Not all fathers will do it properly. How can a woman be sure that her father will pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 12:44 PM
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Traditionally a woman's father vetted her suitors because just like them he's a man and he knows how men think and traditionally you had to get a man's blessing to receive his daughter. There is no reason to believe that a father would vet better than his daughter. This sort of mentality was common during the days when women were the property of others and others would make decisions for them. Anyone can fall victim to a predatory man, including other men. Predatory men are are experts at manipu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 12:39 PM
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Often when a traditional woman marries a traditional man and they have kids, the man works long and hard while the woman stays at home to look after the kids and does domestic duties. The man interprets this as laziness and then starts to feel resentment. Then there is toxic behaviour you are showing now where, out of resentment, he disrespects her because she doesn't make money, calls her a "bangmaid" and so forth and then takes out his aggression on her while she is trapped, captive to being r…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 12:31 PM
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But if your focus in life is just being independent of men, you may struggle with understanding how to be with a man. And by the way, I don’t think this is a sex specific thing. This suggests that good relationships require you to make yourself vulnerable to your partner. This is incredibly dangerous. Vulnerability is often exploited.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 12:19 PM
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To avoid investing in men who are manipulative and abusive, see how he handles disagreements/arguments. Is he quick to blame the other person? Does he get angry quick? Does he take any responsibility? People often expose the truest versions of themselves when they are experiencing negative emotions. A man who is slow to anger, highly intelligent, and highly responsible can also be highly predatory and manipulative. Research suggests that individuals with high levels of traits associated with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 12:16 PM
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Young women should be educated about the downsides of pregnancy and the burdens of having kids to empower them to make informed decisions about their reproductive health. Pregnancy can have a significant impact on a woman's physical and emotional well-being, and it is important for women to be aware of the potential risks and complications. Additionally, raising children can be a significant financial and time commitment, and it is important for women to consider these factors before making a de…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 11:52 AM
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If you sacrifice your career to stay at home, you become highly unemployable. Plus if you have kids, then combining unemployment or low income with the high costs of kids and you have a nightmare outcome. Many stay at home women are financially dependent on their husbands, which means that if he becomes abusive, she has no choice but to tolerate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 11:44 AM
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Not taking risks is also a risk because it makes you forgo opportunities. If the risk is so high, sometimes you have to think long and hard about whether the opportunities are worth it. For example, if you have to pay $5 for a lottery ticket and the prize money is only $10 and the odds of winning are one in a million, then it's not worth it. Many people, when they think long and hard about the traditional life, may realise that it's not worth it and maybe they were seeking it because of peer pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 11:40 AM
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Who is to say the parents won't themselves be manipulated or deceived?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 07:15 AM
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There is a big different between looking powerful and being actually powerful. A traditional woman who acts loud and bossy etc, if she has zero net worth and after a divorce she is in debt and on welfare and a single mother, then although she looked powerful, she actually is not. Power can be measured by looking at skills, talent, work experience, education as well as financial assets such as real estate and shares subtract liability like financial debt as well as the number of children you have…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 07:14 AM
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It's all a matter of degree. Basically financial independence can be measured by taking assets minus liabilities. We can count human capital as an asset (eg skills, talent, work experience etc) as well as financial capital as well (eg stocks and real estate), and for liabilities we can include children. Children are a liability. If a woman has significant human and financial capital and no children, I am not sure if that can be described as a traditional woman, but it's a question of definition.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 06:46 AM
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It's risky for a man to be traditional as well. Ironically, traditionalism is beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 06:31 AM
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false, because the father would pick the dude How would the father picking make any difference? The father can be manipulated as well. if she was looking for traditional characteristics instead of raw attraction she would filter out these men far easier. The supposedly strength of the Dennis system relies on women looking for traditional characteristics eg economic stability. The Dennis system encourages men to demonstrate value eg show off wealth. Picking men based on traditional characteristic…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 10:11 PM
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Lack of commitment is not necessarily a problem. We have more choice now so maybe things are better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 01:12 PM
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If women are traditional and submit to a man, the woman is more vulnerable to predatory men. A traditional system relies on men having integrity etc. Once that trust is gone, it is better for women to be independent and stand up for herself. This way of she suspects the man is trying to do something manipulative or deceptive, she can walk away and not worry because she has her own job, money etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 05:24 AM
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WGTOW?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 05:18 AM
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I spoke about the concept in the post below but basically it is that manospherean ideas may have the opposite effect in that instead on attracting women and making them highly compliant, as these ideas spread, women become more cautious and as a result they withdraw themselves and go WGTOW. This then makes it much harder for men to get women because there is a huge scarcity of women as many have taken themselves off the market. The irony is that men trying to make themselves artificially scarce …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 05:17 AM
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I'd rather have actual money in my bank account than rely on my spouse to give me money regularly. If someone is paying you regularly then you are in their pocket because they have the power to not pay you. This I think is why many opt for divorce instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 12:22 AM
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It is possible for a man or woman to live at home and eg be a millionaire. They may have become a millionaire because they lived at home, which allows them to save up more.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 10:25 AM
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I agree. More people need to be more assertive in stating they don't want a stay at home spouse. I certainty don't want my spouse just staying at home. Many women have expressed to me that they would be disgusted by a stay at home husband so I think more men should be open about their disgust with stay at home wives. This should help promote equitable outcomes and prevent divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 09:11 PM
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There are many women who simply don't care about marriage or having kids. They prefer to focus on eg education and career.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 09:17 AM
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I am not saying women should import men or that they even do this much. What I say is that local men are not a rare and scarce commodity. If local men threaten to move overseas and find a foreign woman, women can just look abroad for other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:44 AM
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What I mean is go overseas, find foreign partner, and then bring them back and apply for partner or marriage visa to ensure the partner stays.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 09:53 PM
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It is possible for someone in a country to move to another country.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 09:43 PM
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If the men become wage slaves and the women become sex slaves, then yes they are losers of the system. Why be a loser slave when you can be a winner and have freedom, autonomy, wealth etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 02:59 PM
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What you describe is a traditional lifestyle. Under a traditional life, the man is a wage slave or breadwinner and the woman cooks and cleans and looks after the children. But such a system disadvantages both men and women. It disadvantages men because he becomes a wage slave. It disadvantages women because they become financially dependent on the man and have no freedom and are vulnerable to physical and sexual abuse. So both men and women lose under traditional relationships, and I think both …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 08:30 AM
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Looking at the r/childfree and r/sterilization subs, I think it is interesting to see that many women are there and they want to get sterilised and to never have kids ever. If women don't want to have kids, the biological clock is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 11:52 AM
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I've noticed too that people in real life and online can be quite different. It highlights the importance of being cautious, being independent and autonomous, and focusing on your own career and education. The traditional system whereby the man is the breadwinner and the woman is a docile housewife is actually very risky because there is so much trust that is needed, and with people behaving differently online and in real life, it is hard to trust anyone other than yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 08:39 AM
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You too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 08:35 AM
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what's with the derogatory terms like "baby rabies" LMFAO In that paragraph I was trying to be fair and balanced, giving the views for both sides, not trying to be derogatory. I have a lot of respect for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 03:12 PM
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But people can sometimes build their lifestyles around a good paying job. Meaning a lot of expenses are supported by a specific pay check amount. If that job goes by by, and you can't get another easily, that can be a major major set back in life. Same applies to relationships. A woman can be a stay-at-home mother and her whole life can revolve around serving her man and children. Suddenly the man leaves and finds a younger woman and this stay-at-home mother suddenly becomes a single mother with…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 12:40 PM
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of course the company can....they can throw you away anytime they want. they treat their workers like trash. Difference is that work experience is an appreciating asset whereas youth and beauty in a woman depreciates. Many conservative men laugh and disrespect women claiming that their only value is in their beauty, which depreciates, but women can just get a job, build up skills and work experience, and suddenly she is an appreciating asset.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 12:33 PM
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Parents won't unconditionally love you. There are countless stories of parents who abuse their children. I think the only thing close to unconditional love comes from animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 12:29 PM
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Is that really the only tradeoff? Work vs children? One option for instance is to work hard, not have kids, and then retire early.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 12:26 PM
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Coercive laws like these are another reason why patriotism is a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 01:18 PM
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Hopefully these hateful posts are not fully useless. If they make women more cautious of hateful men and stay away and avoid these men, it is a good outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 07:56 AM
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So what if someone doesn't want to fight in a war and go elsewhere? Not everyone is patriotic. It was a man who famously said, "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 05:48 AM
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You take degrees far too seriously. Most people do not care care at all. People generally ask you what you do as a job and that's it. They usually don't talk about degrees unless they get to know you very well, and often degrees do not correlate to the jobs people have eg a physics major may become a business executive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 11:32 AM
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And if you have a daughter?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 08:18 AM
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Okay, let's say you get rich and have a kid. This kid is highly likely to get married when it grows up and then your child will experience all the problems you mentioned above.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 03:05 PM
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How do you know it is not the other way around? For example, aid goes into educating women and providing contraception which reduces total fertility rate. Also when refugees comes into a developed country, they may get access to education and contraception. Also once again, why the focus on trying to get certain countries to reduce population rather than certain income groups or urban vs rural people? Eg why not apply the One Child Policy to everyone who doesn't live in the city? People who don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 08:19 AM
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You can find difference in total fertility rate among countries but you can also find differences in total fertility rate across urban vs rural people as well as rich vs poor. For example, rural people in UK breed more than urban people in UK. Or poor people in UK breed more than rich people in UK. So why are we defining who can breed or not based on country and not income or whether they live in the city or not? The bottom line is there are eight billion people on Earth. They say this will star…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 12:51 AM
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Ok sure but from what I heard, surrogacy is not cheap. If you plan to retire early, having a child may complicate things.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 10:35 PM
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Even in poor countries I am sure the government or church is begging people to have babies. Regardless there are eight billion people on this planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 08:58 AM
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In practice, people support competition, human nature, etc until they are the ones who lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 08:22 AM
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What old order is being dismantled?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 08:20 AM
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You plan to use surrogacy to have kids without getting a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 12:07 PM
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Do parents have much impact on the values of their kids? Or perhaps their friends, school, society as well as the economy (cost of having kids) has a bigger impact?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 10:37 AM
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Because all these bridges are too far, it makes sense for women then to not have children or to have few children. For example there is a risk for women of being a single mother and being vilified for that so a woman when she is young may opt for r/sterilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 10:03 PM
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In the example I've given, the man is exercising his freedom to deceive the woman by pretending to be a provider when he is not. So if freedom is promoted then people have freedom to engage in such behaviour. The example I give is of a man deceiving a woman but it can happen the other way around as well. All this deception can lead to people being more cautious and focusing more on independence and autonomy. This can lead to a decline in total fertility rate which is lot necessarily a bad outcom…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 12:07 PM
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Okay, one example is a man who pretends to be a good father to attract a woman who wants kids. For example he says he loves children and wants to be a provider etc etc. Then when he has had sex with her for a year or two and gets bored of the sex, he dumps her and moves on to the next woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 10:13 AM
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Getting a vasectomy helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 09:35 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised if laws were enacted basically making women sex slaves. That is basically what "traditional" values are ie women are baby makers and sex slaves for men. Women are the majority is many countries so hopefully they vote for their freedom, but it's not guaranteed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 04:45 PM
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I find that the pressure for a man to marry a woman is still strong even if they do not want children.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 11:21 AM
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All this assumes the woman wants a child. Many do but not all do eg the r/childfree ones. I think if a woman is able to resist the desire to have kids, she is in a good position and has more power over her life rather than be in a position where she is desperate for a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 09:26 AM
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I'm not sure what artificial wombs would do. Say someone wants a child. They can pay a machine to make one but then they will need to look after it. Most people don't want to be a single parent. An artificial womb seems like a more expensive way to become a single parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 09:11 AM
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There is a fairly high divorce rate though. And many relationships seem to fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 09:06 AM
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This is only true if a womam is willing to not have kids. If she wants children, the biological clock is ticking, and I find many women who want kids are quite desperate. However, once a woman is able to let go of the impulse to procreate (eg she embraces r/antinatalism) then I do agree that she has the upper hand, especially if she is educated and has her own job, investments etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 05:43 AM
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Live like this with a reasonable paying job while not having kids and you can retire in your thirties.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 09:08 PM
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Women as a class are not actually very good citizens, in terms of social output. They are net tax receivers, aren't having enough children to maintain technological civilization Women are net tax receivers because of havings kids. I guarantee the women who are childfree and have jobs are not net tax receivers. But you blame these childfree women for not having kids, so whether they have kids or not, they are being blamed. Also it takes two to have kids. It's not women's responsibility to have ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 08:48 PM
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Yeah people saying that childcare is expensive as an excuse to leave one spouse at home and be poor ignores that contraception eg vasectomies are cheap. They assume that having kids is a given and the choice is between childcare or stay-at-home wife when really the choice is between having kids or not having kids. But of course I assume some level of financial responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 08:37 PM
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Sure, I agree that being a traditional woman is a poor choice and very dangerous. However, if a woman chooses to do so, surely she should be protected rather than be vulnerable to abuse. Men who willingly choose to become traditional breadwinners also need to accept the high costs as well as the risk. For a man, being a breadwinner is a huge impediment to financial independence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 06:23 AM
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You're right I did say "most." I'll take back my later comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 07:49 PM
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I said "half or most" and half seems fair, but a woman getting most of the money I imagine would be if she is looking after the child. She then has added expenses if she is looking after the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 11:58 AM
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You recognize a vulnerable position and instead of making it not vulernable. How do you think the traditional relationship can be amended so that no one is vulnerable? Do you think that as it stands men are vulnerable in traditional relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 09:28 AM
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Check my original post. The family court giving the woman the man's money provides a disincentive for the man to abuse her. It also allows the abused woman to leave and still be able to look after herself rather than need to tolerate abuse just so she can survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 09:23 AM
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don’t be a parasite and steal your ex-husband’s money. Are these women stealing their husband's money? Or did the man consent to it? There are many traditional conservative men who are happy to work and give a lot of his money to the stay-at-home woman and children. Something that puzzles me is that there are many men who want women to be traditional and conservative and stay at home and cook and clean and look after the kids, but they don't want a "gold digger." Anyway this sort of mindset is o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 09:01 AM
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I'm asking, ARE people who favor traditional families even fighting against alimony or divorce laws? You've asked and I have responded based on what I've seen. Maybe you or other people have the statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 08:56 AM
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Based on what I've seen, many conservatives are very wary of "gold diggers" and do not want to be "divorce raped" claiming that it is a feminist conspiracy against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 08:15 AM
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And that makes me sad, because I don’t think dudes en masse don’t want to have kids (I know many who do), I just think society considers it weird to say that in this context. And it shouldn’t be. Great dads are awesome. Really? It seems the opposite. Many people brag all day about having kids. It's those who don't want kids who are seen as weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 08:47 PM
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Keep some of your money in crypto, not just to keep it safe from the government but also to keep it safe from your husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 08:40 PM
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Back in the old days, women stayed home and did a lot of domestic work. For example, they cooked and cleaned the house and clothes. They took wet clothes and hit then against surfaces to clean the clothes, and then put them up in the sun to dry them. Nowadays to cook we can just put food into the microwave or an air fryer and it's done. To clean the dishes we just put it in a dishwasher. To wash the clothes we put it in a washing machine, and to dry it we put the wet clothes into a dryer. To cle…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:03 PM
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The big advantage men and women get from pairing up is the economy of scale savings on the homefront, as well as children and dual parental investment. You don't need to be in a heterosexual relationship to gain the financial benefits of economies of scale. You can achieve this by living with e.g. a gay partner or with housemates or with your parents. Unless someone has quite a small net worth and needs to watch every penny, the benefits from economies of scale are not much because even though y…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 06:51 AM
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One of the biggest benefits men get in marriage is someone else being responsible for the domestic chores. As well as making the house into a home scenario. Average guys can’t afford a maid or interior decorator. I personally think this problem is less of a problem nowadays thanks to technology. Domestic chores are not hard because machines can do it all e.g. dishwasher, washing machine, dryer, robot vacuum cleaner, air fryer, microwave, etc. You don't need a maid or even an interior decorator. …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 06:40 AM
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Not sure. Maybe it's the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 05:23 AM
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And this arrangement is not good if you have children. Not everyone wants kids (e.g. I've had a vasectomy), but if someone doing LAT wants kids then the kids can just be moved from one house to another. The women gets less protection than she would with a live in spouse though. You mean from intruders? This needs to be weighed against the reduced protection from abuse from the partner with whom you cohabitate. Furthermore, the danger from intruders can be mitigated significantly with security te…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 05:14 AM
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There are many efilists trying to press the red button.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:54 PM
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Products and services that isolate tend to have considerable market demand e.g. cars rather than bikes, Uber Eats rather than restaurants, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 03:27 PM
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You see this sort of argument a lot with people who don't have jobs or people who are poor i.e. they are assumed to be lazy. I think this is due to the idea of meritocracy. It applies not just to the pursuit of economic capital but also erotic capital.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 01:16 PM
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His attractiveness lies in his ability to give commitment to women. With a woman who wants commitment (e.g. most traditional and conservative women), she provides him sex and in return he provides her commitment (e.g. marriage contract, financial stability to fund the cost of a child, etc). Otherwise he is not that physically attractive, so a woman who provides him with sex would expect good sex back in return, which requires him to be physically attractive. So I don't think it's contradictory. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 07:01 AM
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If you are finding trouble assessing these types of decisions differently then you might want to seek therapy to help you sort out your perception of these things. Maybe I am paranoid but I suspect that financial prudence and fear of commitment in relationships (avoiding the term "phobia") are the same. If someone is cautious and deliberate in finance then he or she should, for the sake of consistency, apply the same caution and prudence in other areas such as relationships. I suspect there is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 06:51 AM
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When I think of the term "love" I think of the term "romance." Looking at e.g. the arts and history, the term "romanticism" is characterised by emphasis on emotion, idealism, and suspicion of science, rationality, and industrialisation. So I think to compare love to recklessness is not necessarily inaccurate. I think the reason why love is celebrated whereas e.g. financial recklessness is not is because of a social bias towards relationships and courtship. For example, if a woman is being scamme…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 06:40 AM
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I mean do you think there is a social bias towards relationships? For example, commitment phobia in a relationship is looked down upon but if commitment phobia causes someone to avoid a financial scam, it's seen as smart. Recklessness in relationships is labelled love and is socially acceptable, but in other areas of life it is looked down upon as stupid, impulsive, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 02:32 PM
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Third, what do sex workers have to do with this topic? Do they charge men based on what they think they can afford? The assumption is that if a rich man practices stealth wealth and looks very poor, he will face an uphill battle to have sex via dating and marriage, and it would be much easier for him to simply pay a sex worker.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 01:59 PM
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Yeah but isn't this just wishful thinking?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 04:42 PM
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This all assumes that maintaining intimacy only requires little maintenance. Perhaps the guy has quickly escalating needs e.g. if he looked at porn or lusts after a younger woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 04:38 PM
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What research did you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 03:18 PM
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I'm wondering this as well. I don't ever want children, so I wonder for me if there is any point in marrying. Maybe it is to show commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 02:24 PM
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I definitely don't want kids. I am also a commitment phobe. I think I enjoy the chase, but when the girl asks me to commit to a relationship, I get nervous.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 10:35 AM
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It’s probably giving women stipends for each pregnancy. But taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 06:21 AM
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I honestly think the best solution to the fertility crisis is for the grandparents to act as surrogate parents for their children’s children, so the real parents can build up their household first. I don't think the grandparents would like it if kids are just dumped on them like this. Maybe babysitting once in a while is okay, but this seems like they are being taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 06:19 AM
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But it is a real issue, why would you want to hire someone knowing they will need paid leave very soon. I can definitely understand why a business would discriminate against women because of this and this may partially explain the gender wage gap. The solution for women is simple if they face lower pay, which is to work more to make up for the lower pay i.e. to prioritise career over kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 06:16 AM
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A couple without kids (DINKs), when you think about it, don't need too much in order to retire early. For anyone who wants to throw away the shackles of work early, this is an easy way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 06:14 AM
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Many women cannot afford a child on their own though as kids are not cheap.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 06:42 AM
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it’s a reasonable precaution against future uncertainty and the hour glass of their beauty and reproductive utility that can’t be reset. Women don't need to get married to get benefits from their beauty and reproductive utility. For example, to benefit from their beauty they can become sex workers or simply use OnlyFans to make money while they are young and beautiful. As for reproductive utility, they can work as surrogates in countries that allow women to make a career of this. It’s also the e…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 06:39 AM
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The father chose to have the child as well, so shouldn't he contribute as well? Also if the mother sacrificed her career in order to look after the baby, shouldn't she be compensated for this? Like I said, all these issues could be prevented simply by getting a vasectomy. Children need money. They need resources. If there are no children, then there is no need for money, so the man can keep his money if he doesn't have kids. It's procreation that is the root of the problem because it create a ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 10:34 AM
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Agree. I cannot imagine any man wanting to be a single father and stay home and look after it. Most men are too ashamed to be a househusband because it seems unmasculine, so I doubt they will pay huge amounts of money on adoption, surrogacy or artificial womb to become single fathers. Most men only have kids because they want sex with a woman. Giving a woman kids is the price most men pay to secure reliable and consistent sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 10:29 AM
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Not at all! The population will expand to about 10-12 billion by 2100 before it even begins to fall. We can barely support 7-8, so… I'm talking about after global population peaks. That's when we can look forward to a less crowded world. I agree it would be great if global population peaks sooner, but it is what it is. What can be done to accelerate human population decline?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 10:25 AM
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If someone wants a baby without a partner, why not just use surrogacy or adoption? Why go for the artificial womb?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 10:22 AM
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the kids or grandkids will live in a dystopia we are currently headed towards. What dystopia are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:43 PM
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Men will no longer marry and just hire wombs to have kids. Do you think any man will want to be a single father?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:38 PM
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How likely will any of these ever exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:34 PM
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One way to avoid unwanted kids is to not have them in the first place. This is why it's great to have options for contraception, sterilisation, and abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:31 PM
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Less people means less pollution in the world, so that's something to look forward to. Cleaner air, fresher water, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:29 PM
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No, it is possible for a rich country with high standards of living and gender equality to have no promiscuity e.g. if the government banned all sex then there will be no promiscuity because no one is having any sex. An authoritarian government with an export-led economic development model similar to China could pull this off.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:28 PM
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Many women find wealth attractive in a man, and wealth can be invisible. For example, someone may own no home and rent instead and have no car but have $10 million in bitcoin.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:25 PM
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Why not just get a vasectomy and put your sperm in a sperm bank?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:18 PM
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The problem with "my wallet my choice" is that if the man doesn't pay then the child will starve to death. If a pregnancy was unwanted, why do women get the chance to “fix their mistake” while men get no chance to do the same? Do we all agree the government/society is against men in this situation or is there another perspective I’m missing because I’d love to know what y’all think. There is a simple solution for this: get a vasectomy. I've had the snip. It means you can go around having sex wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:13 PM
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As a guy, I always pay the first bill. The reason is quite obvious. The woman is providing her good looks, which has a value. I might let the woman pay the bill after but overall I think the man pays more given that she is partially paying with her looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:11 PM
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Many people don’t want kids until they find the perfect person that they believe are father/mother material. That's why I was hesitant to express my antinatlist views. I believed that most women want kids, so maybe I'll need to revise my views or lie. But it didn't feel right to lie, and the more I looked into antinatalism, the more I found it hard to revise, so I realised I'd have to make a trade-off between being authentic and being my true self versus being attractive. But as someone else has…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:39 AM
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Maybe. I think with enough work many people who are ugly can make themselves more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 11:02 AM
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Women getting used for sex is a sign that they should become sex workers. I've been looking on Twitter recently and there are many sex workers who make money through OnlyFans and also work the odd shift here and there at a brothel. For example, a nearby brothel is Collingwood Confidential, and there are many sex workers who have Twitter accounts and OnlyFan accounts who are able to build up many regular clients and have sex with them in the brothel. It makes sense that women make money from sex.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 10:18 AM
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What if you have a view that is very controversial. For example, I am an antinatalist and I have recently developed the courage to talk about this to women I date. I find many women are not too bothered with antinatalism, so that is encouraging. However, lately I am also leaning towards the philosophy of efilism, which suggests that it may be good to "press the red button" i.e. destroy the world in order to reduce suffering, but this is a view that may be too extreme for many, and I don't think …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 10:12 AM
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It's called "recanalization" and is highly unlikely. However, it does happen. Regardless, even though there is a small chance of failure, vasectomy is the most effective contraception for a male. It is much more effective than using a condom.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 01:41 PM
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Pollution can be solved by technology, not by demographic contraction. Pollution could be solved by technology. However, pollution may not be solved by technology. Technology can fail. Technology may even make problems worse. For example, self-driving cars may become so convenient that everyone uses them instead of public transport, which increases pollution. If you think technology will solve all problems then why don't you think it will solve what you think is a problem i.e. lower fertility ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 12:16 PM
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The benefit of using sperm from a sperm bank is that you can have kids when you are ready for it. Many people have kids because they accidentally got one and then they have money problems. It's better to save up the money first and then have the kid. Or if you want to retire early, just don't have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 02:44 PM
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And cleaning, preparing food is as hard as any other normal job. Rather than working for a man and getting paid nothing, if a woman feels the need to cook, clean or look after kids, she should be a chef, cleaner, or a childcare worker and get paid for it. It makes no sense for a woman to just get paid nothing for these jobs and then become financially dependent on the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 02:40 PM
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I definitely don't want to be with a traditional woman mainly because I don't want children.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 11:41 AM
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Do you think looking after kids, shopping, and preparing food is hard? I don't think it is. Maybe looking after very badly behaving kids is hard, but shopping and cooking is not hard. In fact, shopping and cooking is fun for a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 11:39 AM
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He is 20, which is not that young. He is an adult. Also if he suspects he might change his mind, he can always preserve his sperm in a sperm bank. If he is sure that he definitely doesn't want children, he shouldn't bother with the cost of the sperm bank.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 11:33 AM
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I think you should do it. Get a vasectomy right now. If you go to the childfree subreddit, you'll see they have a list of childfree-friendly doctors that perform vasectomies without any questions asked. Hopefully you live in one of those areas I got a vasectomy about four months ago but I wish I did it sooner. I didn't get a vasectomy in my twenties because I was worried about the pain and because I didn't think I'd need it because I didn't date many women and didn't have sex too often. When I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 11:29 AM
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It's possible to reject feminism and femininity at the same time. Feminism is about giving women more political power whereas femininity is about how an individual behaves. Someone may want to reduce female political power but at the same time may want to behave in a masculine way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:51 PM
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The societies growing most dont have the best track records of women's rights If we wish to increase feminism around the world, once easy way to do it while solving the ageing population problem is through immigration. If there is a country with high fertility but low feminism then they can be bought into a low fertility but high feminism country. This helps to alleviate the ageing population problem by proving more workers, perhaps even age care workers etc, and at the same time these immigrant…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 10:16 AM
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Do we really need a huge restructure to fix the ageing population? Why not just reduce government spending and increase taxes and do so gradually? Alternatively wouldn't money printing work? Printing money to pay for age care costs, with the costs effectively paid for by inflation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 09:40 AM
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What's an example of government policy controlling population decline and bringing it back up to replacement rate?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 09:36 AM
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You mean pay people more?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 09:09 AM
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Uses Bible when referring to Muslims When she said "traditional" she was referring to Christians. She mentioned Muslims to say that she believes Muslim men are mostly traditional and so Christian men should be as well. That backs up her point. It actually doesn’t cuz it shows how 1) Muslims aren’t as trad as people originally thought and 2) Muslim women are less trad than Muslim men regarding promiscuity, and that women in general are simply more degenerate in our modern times lol. Idk how you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 12:12 PM
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Get a prenup. Divorce can harm women too if a woman is wealthy and marries a poor man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:23 PM
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The thing is that ANY woman can turn into this. Indeed women can do this. But it happens the other way around as well. Men can cheat and leave. What is worst about traditional relationships is that when things go wrong, there is usually more harm e.g. what happens to the kids? Also traditional women who stay at home would have no jobs and no money after a divorce, so they would struggle. A non-traditional relationship is much safer because both the man and woman are more equal and more independe…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:17 PM
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Muslim women are more promiscuous than Muslim men That backs up her point. Even if you're a man surrounded by promiscuous women, if you are traditional and follow the Bible then you as a man should not have sex before marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:14 PM
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You see, this would be a good point, but in my experience, the same people who ask this tend to get extremely offended when you ask if women are willing to hold up their end of the bargain. The problem is that for women, being a traditional housewife is quite dangerous because she is financially dependent on the man. What if the man cheats on her or becomes abusive?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:06 PM
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I am agnostic, don't go to church, watch porn, and ...... Does this mean you watch porn or not? Punctuation matters. Personally I look at porn a lot, but I am trying to reduce it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 11:58 AM
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I'm not a traditional man. I would consider myself more "leftist." Something I don't understand why any man would want to be "traditional." For example, as OP correctly points out, you will need to work long hours and give all or most of your money to your wife and kids. You are also expected to protect your wife and kids, which basically means you are a volunteer bodyguard. So you end up working your ass off only to give all your money away to someone and you need to be her volunteer bodyguard.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 11:54 AM
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The world was close to a nuclear war in 1983 when a nuclear missile was almost launched. Now that many government have nuclear weapons, one attack would inevitably see counterattacks so that many nuclear weapons would be fired all over the world. Those that survive the blasts would need to contend with "nuclear winter." The black smoke from nuclear blasts would settle in the atmosphere and block the sun, preventing plants from growing, leading to mass starvation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 06:46 AM
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You are not paying a sex worker to desire you. You're paying them for sex or companionship. If anything is pathetic it's needing others to desire you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 06:39 AM
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Sure, but don't incels believe that all women are hypergamous and only care about money or looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 06:30 AM
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It would be good if this is actually true. The world is overpopulated.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 06:00 AM
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The "reality" of what most men are like makes me want to move to a lesbian island. Can you tell us maybe how to find men who don't think their desire excuses abuse? What are the best green flags so to speak of a nice man who has empathy so women can avoid anyone who might capable of deciding to do these things? My advice is to not trust but to be ready to walk out. There really is no way to vet anyone perfectly and make sure they are not abusive. Even someone who seems charming and kind can, ove…
/r/ExRedPill01/01/22 02:45 PM
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Even with a prenup, if we have a stay-at-home man and a rich woman, the rich woman would need to pay child support payments. The family court wouldn't leave the child with nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:28 PM
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Isn't it against some sort of ethics to sleep with your clients?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 01:10 PM
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Now, if an older woman put off motherhood for a career AND she's broke, then she's insane. What if the man stayed home to look after the baby and after the divorce he took everything? If the woman has money and has a child, assuming the man has less money, wouldn't the woman be at risk of losing more in a divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 12:40 PM
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As far as the environment goes, all it will really take is bad chemistry on industrial scales to do the trick. A tenth of the pop can still do that just fine (or, you know, not fine.) Similarly, the population could be 3 or 4 times the size and still be responsible curators. It comes down to how effective social institutions and education are, quality of life correlates to an emphasis on freedom of expression and (generally) action, etcetera. Of course I totally agree. How much each person pollu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 07:27 AM
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It's nothing too exciting. For both flings, the women initiated it. I think these women sleep with many men, so I was just a fling for them. They used me and then moved on to the next guy. But it was quite enjoyable and I hope that women continue to use me for flings when I get back to the office after COVID. At work I am probably more attractive than I am outside of work because I am in a senior position and seem to be competent. But outside of work I live quite a frugal lifestyle, so it probab…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 07:06 AM
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At least the environment will be better off with fewer humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 01:14 PM
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I've had two workplace flings. They were quite dangerous but they were some of the best moments of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 01:07 PM
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I think it's safe, but it's something to talk to your doctor about.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 11:11 AM
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Women want the benefits of traditionalism without offering traditionalism I don't really see the problem with this. Suppose someone wanted to give dogecoin and want to receive ether in exchange. Then the person on the other side of the trade says, "You want ether without offering ether." A woman may want traditionalism but not be capable to providing traditionalism, or a woman may want modernism but not be capable of providing modernism. What a person wants to supply may be different to what tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 08:43 AM
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Although it will not fix herpes, you should ask your doctor to prescribe you PrEP. Take a pill per day and you are immune to HIV. If you combine PrEP with a vasectomy then you can have carefree sex without any worries.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 06:32 AM
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I've had a vasectomy so I'd expect her to not want children. That's the main requirement. She also should have some job and be somewhat independent. Good looks and kindness are also good.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 06:27 AM
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A girlfriend can travel with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 06:20 AM
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Problem is that raising kids is expensive and you'll have a lot less money in your old age if you have kids. This means you'll likely end up in a government run nursing home if you're poor. I've visited government nursing home and most of them have kids. If you're rich then you are able to afford to live in a retirement village where you get your own unit to live in and also access to nurses etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 09:33 AM
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These immigrants typically live a pretty poor standard of living, and they typically don't reap any benefits in the next generation. Their kids do. The parents usually just get thrown into a nursing home.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 10:42 AM
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Is it even possible financially for a woman to stay at home and the man to be poor? If only one small income is coming in trying to feed multiple mouths, is this even possible? The standard of living must be very low.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 09:26 AM
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Wouldn't liberal women actually work? That is, have a career and paid employment? Or is that an unrealistic expectation?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 09:24 AM
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Thinking about the vegan movement, do you think it's the primary motivator for why people eat meat?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 09:01 AM
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So a woman who is capable of being a good caregiver and house cleaner but just happens to want to marry a rich man is not a gold digger? How does being good at domestic duties stop someone from being a gold digger?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 08:55 AM
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SAHM fantasy But doesn't being a stay-at-home wife require lots of money from the man? If a woman does not work, then the man must earn more, so to want to be a stay at home wife is to want more money. It's like saying you want a partner to give you a Ferrari but you don't want the money. You just want the Ferrari because you are a Ferrari enthusiast. However, Ferraris are very expensive and so wanting someone who can provide a Ferrari is pretty much the same as wanting a spouse who is rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 08:48 AM
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You are right. I do care about what women think of me when I am dating them. But I do hope that in a relationship I can eventually tell her that I have visited sex workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 02:18 AM
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Yes it's for things like work. You need to work to pay the bills and if something society deems bad can get you fired, it makes sense to hide it. Once you have enough to retire, you can be more open about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 10:41 PM
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Undesirable to most women. Depends who the audience is. This is why I suggest hiding the sex bot. The reality is that to get along with society you have to be politically correct ie you cannot offend everyone. I have no issues with being politically correct. I think it's the right thing to do because otherwise there would be arguments everywhere. If I bring my sex bot into an orthodox church then that will cause a lot of problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 11:09 AM
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I don't think visiting brothels is bad or undesirable but yes society and many women don't like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 09:03 AM
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That is why governments print money. The money is clawed back via inflation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 02:22 AM
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I should also add that immigration has been used as a solution to the ageing population problem for a long time (before Covid) in many democratic countries so regardless of whether it is popular of not with voters, it is still implemented and used. It seems enough voters are for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 02:21 AM
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Why is immigration a ponzi scheme? Movement of people across borders has been happening since the beginning of human history across all sorts of borders. Even within countries there is movement of people eg from New York to LA, so why is movement of people across a border a ponzi scheme? Indeed there are many solutions to the ageing population but you don't need higher birthrate to fix ageing population. As mentioned, higher taxes can fix ageing population, and higher taxes generally reduce birt…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 11:23 PM
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Didn't you say before women take jobs away from men who can't provide for their families? Now you say most women become mothers. If men cannot provide then how are women becoming mothers?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 12:10 PM
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Like I said, higher taxes and lower spending is the solution. If this is unpopular with voters then money printing does the same thing. Money printing raises cost of living, so that means it becomes more important than ever to work more rather than have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 12:08 PM
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No the guy can just set this up by himself without showing anyone. It's like how many guys visit brothels by themselves. I personally have visited brothels many times but don't tell everyone around me that I do. No one knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 12:03 PM
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That's a generalisation. Many women are going to university and being educated and getting jobs and being productive citizens. Those who are not and expect to be housewives and live off others should get a job and support themselves rather than mooch off others. Kids are really expensive so in a capitalist world it is better to not have one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 11:51 AM
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Then as I said ageing population can be fixed with higher taxes or lower government spending or printing money.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 11:45 AM
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There may be a business idea here. Commercial storage for sex dolls. The guy rents space to store his sex doll and visits when he feels the urge. Many men already go to brothels in private.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 11:31 AM
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Not everyone is so insecure that they care what others think of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 11:28 AM
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Why not just go to college and get a job?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 11:25 AM
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I got no issues with Africans. As others mention, they too will be affected by fertility decline so that doesn't fully fix the ageing population problem in the long run. In the short term yes more Africans should come in to fix ageing population, but in the long run the supply will run out and the solution is higher taxes and lower government spending or money printing. Money printing is effectively higher taxation via inflation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 11:22 AM
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You're assuming women are only valued for making babies or sex. In and for most relationships Like children, relationships are optional. There are many people who are happily single. OP is describing a future scenario where relationships may be replaced by technology eg sex bots. Plus women provide value in relationships other than sex or making babies eg companionship. I personally value talking to women. If I wanted just sex, I can go to a brothel.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 09:40 AM
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UK fertility rate is 1.68 babies per woman whereas Sweden is 1.76 babies per woman so I don't see much difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 09:36 AM
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What's wrong with Africans?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 09:27 AM
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Society doesn't need birthrate. Sure ageing population causes problems but the solution is for government to spend less and tax more. Or just print money.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 08:51 AM
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You're assuming having kids is necessary. There are many who are happily childfree.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 08:49 AM
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Once we get to robots women will already be considered obsolete. You're assuming women are only valued for making babies or sex. There are many other ways women are valued eg capitalists are happy if women work.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 08:48 AM
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Twice her income, and 10 times your cost.
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