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Or the rest of Europe.
/r/seduction05/11/21 08:27 AM
1

Get a hooker. Not recommending it though.
/r/seduction05/11/21 08:26 AM
2

So spending 2k on someone isn't needy? Okay bud.
/r/seduction30/10/21 12:23 AM
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Because paying 2k for her comes across as needy and desperate.
/r/seduction29/10/21 04:31 PM
1

Pretty effective. You'll realise it isn't nearly as bad as you imagined, and can actually be pretty fun and exciting.
/r/seduction28/10/21 06:26 PM
3

No. Not if it's a normal treat. But if you spend 2k on them if they're not your gf or wife, then I think that will in many cases cause them to lose respect.
/r/seduction28/10/21 06:22 PM
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It's your choice man. I'm not judging. Just really consider whether it's worth 2k. Not to mention the dynamic between you will change and it's not unlikely she'll lose all respect for you once you start spending such hefty sums on her.
/r/seduction28/10/21 08:25 AM
5

True. But the result is the same in this instance, isn't it? If you pay for the trip you can fuck her. If you don't, you can't.
/r/seduction27/10/21 09:30 PM
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You're totally pussy whipped I would say.
/r/seduction27/10/21 09:29 PM
7

You do you man, but for me this comes too close to prostitution. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But you'd basically be paying 2k to bang 1 chick.
/r/seduction27/10/21 09:26 PM
1

It's not really that different. It's still someone being rude. I don't like to waste time with those kinds of people and would rather spend my time with friends, or working, or with dates who aren't rude.
/r/seduction26/10/21 06:35 PM
1

Ghosting is not okay. How old are you? Would it be okay for you to talk to someone face-to-face and for them to just ignore you? You have some serious neediness issues if you let yourself be treated like that. I'm not overcommitting at all. I'm saying have some self respect and don't simp over someone who treats you like shit.
/r/seduction26/10/21 06:10 PM
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You are doing the exact things you should be doing when you want a girl to get attached. Do the opposite of what you're doing now, and you'll be fine.
/r/seduction26/10/21 03:27 PM
2

Of course dealbreaks are important. But I just wanted to focus on this other issue because it's pretty prevalent nowadays. I don't take the disrespect personally, but I do know I don't want it in my life and I don't want that kind of behavior in a partner. That's all.
/r/seduction26/10/21 07:45 AM
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Right on. Next time don't even try to persist if they ghost you. It just means they don't want to see you. You're not doing either of you a service if you try to set it up anyway. But you did a good job at handling things afterwards.
/r/seduction26/10/21 07:42 AM
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Did I even use the word 'woman' at all in my post? This was a post about dating in general, no matter your or their gender. And yes it is specifically about dating because many people seem to let themselves be treated badly when they are dating. Suddenly you start talking about 'men' being shit to women. The fact you were treated badly does not make it okay for you to treat others badly. I said don't let yourself be treated like that. If someone does, you should walk away. That's all I said. Now…
/r/seduction26/10/21 07:38 AM
2

Confirm the exact location where you'll meet
/r/seduction26/10/21 07:20 AM
2

Probably worth asking her out once more since she's seeking contact. But if she flakes again I would suggest cutting your losses.
/r/seduction25/10/21 09:42 PM
4

I'm not forcing relationships. Ghosting is not okay. There is no such thing as "the one", and if there was she wouldn't be ghosting.
/r/seduction25/10/21 08:25 PM
5

If she's into you, she'll make the effort to reach out.
/r/seduction25/10/21 08:22 PM
8

After a while you get desensitized and stop taking it too seriously. At some point you'll realize that that's not the kind of person you want to be with anyway.
/r/seduction25/10/21 06:27 PM
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I think you might be onto something.
/r/seduction24/10/21 09:17 PM
1

Oh there I agree with you. But I thought this was a texting situation, in which case I think blocking her number is a bridge too far. But definitely, still having feelings after 3 years is unhealthy. That's a problem within him. Blocking her is a band aid solution. It doesn't fix the real problem of over-attachment.
/r/seduction23/10/21 10:11 PM
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It just takes a symptom out of the equasion, but it doesn't address the underlying problem.
/r/seduction23/10/21 10:55 AM
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I disagree. If I get this kind of message I just don't reply and forget about within a few seconds. If you feel the need to block, you care way too much. Except if they're really harrassing you, in which case of course you block them.
/r/seduction23/10/21 10:53 AM
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Don't answer unless she texts you again using actual words.
/r/seduction23/10/21 10:51 AM
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She might. She might not. Just don't sit around waiting for it. Just live your life and make other plans.
/r/seduction22/10/21 11:47 AM
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He shouldn't block her. He should get over her. Blocking is a weak move because it means you still care. He should get to a point where a message from her just doesn't do anything to him.
/r/seduction22/10/21 11:37 AM
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This does belong on this sub because part of being good at seduction is knowing who is worth your time and who isn't.
/r/seduction22/10/21 11:35 AM
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Don't respond. Live your life.
/r/seduction22/10/21 11:34 AM
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Good. Having female friends is good. Helps you with your social circle.
/r/seduction21/10/21 08:11 AM
2

"No problem. Have a nice day."
/r/seduction18/10/21 10:47 AM
3

Damn. That's a great quote. Gotta remember that one.
/r/seduction16/10/21 11:45 AM
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Might be because it doesn't match with the idea you have in mind for a serious match. You might idealize your future wife or whatever as some kind of sweet innocent princess. When it then turns out they're also sexual beings, then that clashes with that pre-conceived notion you had in mind of what your partner should be like. But that's just one possible explanation.
/r/seduction16/10/21 11:40 AM
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This Latina is not wrapping her legs around mr pudding belly, I don't care how suave or funny you are! Kinda lost the moral high ground there.
/r/seduction15/10/21 02:37 PM
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What an idiot. He should walk away from her instead of trying to fight the guy that is good enough to tell him what his gf has been up to behind his back. If anything he should be thanking you, because most guys would just stay silent. That being said, don't fight him. It's not worth it. What are you trying to achieve? There is no reason whatsoever to fight him. That doesn't make you a coward. You don't even know the guy and have nothing to gain from a fight. Even if you beat his ass, it could h…
/r/seduction15/10/21 08:08 AM
2

You make your own happiness. Instead of trying to bank on extroverted friends, be extroverted yourself.
/r/seduction10/10/21 02:04 PM
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Not chasing them is the underlying reason for success though. Not chasing them allows you to focus on yourself, work towards reaching your goals, build an awesome life. Of course you have to take some initiative at some point, but it should never be chasing them. You ask them out and that's it. If they yes, then great. If they say no, move on. Don't chase. Having to 'chase' them implies they're running away from you, not towards you.
/r/seduction30/09/21 07:05 PM
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Yeah do text her a bit but don't go overboard
/r/seduction30/09/21 11:28 AM
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Don't chase them
/r/seduction30/09/21 11:24 AM
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Don't
/r/seduction29/09/21 07:27 PM
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Don't contact her again until she reaches out first. Move in with your life, date other women. At some point she still might reach out. But double texting, callingetc WILL push her away.
/r/seduction28/09/21 03:58 PM
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Stop being average
/r/seduction28/09/21 12:53 PM
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Break up
/r/seduction27/09/21 08:54 PM
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Dude. I am a tall fat guy. Always have been. Didn't get chicks until I got game.
/r/seduction27/09/21 05:21 PM
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So will a tall fat guy with game. But he'll still succeed because of the game.
/r/seduction27/09/21 04:15 PM
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Just going to fun places and getting my friends to take 'candid' photos. A few of my current pics were taken on trips abroad, but a few were also taken in my home town or nearby cities. I've got one in a botanical garden, one in a nice looking yet not too expensive restaurant, one on a boat on a trip abroad (also not expensive. It was a ferry that cost 10 bucks to get on. The pic was taken of me sitting in the back with the coastline in the background.) It's really not that difficult. Your pics …
/r/seduction27/09/21 04:13 PM
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Fact. My dating life blew up after fixing my tinder profile with high quality pictures of me in cool places doing fun stuff. I'm actually having to cancel on dates because I just can't keep up.
/r/seduction27/09/21 12:58 PM
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I've always been tall though and didn't have succes until I learned game.
/r/seduction27/09/21 12:07 PM
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And I'm tall but for a long time I didn't habe any confidence because I was overweight. I still am, but I've stopped focussing on it and now I'm having successes left right and centre
/r/seduction27/09/21 11:28 AM
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Women don't just jump on your dick because you're tall. There's also plenty of short guys who get plenty of hot women, so I could say you just don't have confidence either.
/r/seduction27/09/21 05:43 AM
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Spend your week doing fun and useful stuff and don't just sit around waiting.
/r/seduction26/09/21 09:41 PM
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One
/r/seduction26/09/21 09:37 PM
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Of course good looks help a lot. But that doesn't mean you can't get very far with good game and just dressing well. You'll just have to work a bit harder for it. But you can still get a good amount of ass.
/r/seduction26/09/21 03:38 PM
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Move on, man. People do and say things for a variety of reasons, but the point is you won't be dating her. Not should you want to anymore at this point. Just move on. You'll find someone you click with soon enough. I would advise you not to get in touch with her again. Unless she gets in touch, then just be polite like you would be to anyone. Also resist the urge to be nasty to her about the things she said. It won't get you anywhere good. It will only put you in a negative mindset and it could …
/r/seduction26/09/21 01:53 PM
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Most of the time you will sense if someone is trustworthy or not. But of course, you'll still have to listen to your instinct and not just follow your dick if your gut is telling you to walk away. Also, if going back to your place is an option, do that. That way you control the environment and you'll be safer.
/r/seduction25/09/21 12:42 PM
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I don't get the dislike for tinder. I don't encounter people out of my age range or distance setting. I never match with bots. That's the kind of stuff I do get on the other apps. The amount of matches I get on Tinder is also exponentially higher than the ones I get on other apps. And the ones I do get on the other apps don't tend to go anywhere. I also like initiating the convo because that allows me to lead the interaction and set the dynamic. So far about 95% of dates I've gotten from online …
/r/seduction23/09/21 03:23 PM
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I think you might be over-texting. Not sure if completely ghosting her is necessarily the right thing to do. But definitely let her wait a bit sometimes. You should read 'How to be a 3% man' by Corey Wayne. He talks a lot about this stuff.
/r/seduction20/09/21 08:05 AM
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Only if you let them be
/r/seduction16/09/21 09:07 PM
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What's done is done. Plenty of fish.
/r/seduction16/09/21 07:27 PM
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Or find a new girl and don't stress about her
/r/seduction16/09/21 07:26 PM
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Move on.
/r/seduction16/09/21 04:29 AM
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Don't discuss it. Just go for the kiss and if she reciprocates, just go with the flow. Then set up another date and keep things moving on. If things keep going well, she'll at one point bring up making things serious if that's what she wants.
/r/seduction15/09/21 04:09 PM
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Those won't be real dates though as you're paying them to be there. I actually use Tinder as a way to improve my dating skills without having to put too much effort into getting dates.
/r/seduction08/09/21 03:24 PM
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Be different. Be fun. Strike fast.
/r/seduction08/09/21 02:59 PM
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Then just ask her to hang out asap
/r/seduction08/09/21 01:55 PM
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Possibly. Depends on what you want though. If you want a hookup, sure. But if you want something serious, you don't want a girl who cheats. Personally, I stay away from these situations because I don't want to enable cheating. But that's everyone's individual choice.
/r/seduction07/09/21 07:39 AM
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I used to think so too. But if you look hard enough, you'll find plenty. But there's a catch. You have to make an effort and actively socialize and strike up conversations. The more people you know, the more (attractive) women you'll know. The more attractive women you know, the higher the chances of finding single ones.
/r/seduction06/09/21 10:30 PM
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There's plenty of attractive single girls, so without getting into whether going for a girl with a bf is bad or not, why would you invest time in someone who is taken when there's plenty of available alternatives around?
/r/seduction06/09/21 09:55 PM
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That's just not true man. I meet attractive single girls all the time. Literally every day.
/r/seduction06/09/21 09:52 PM
1

Then use that week to ask her out. That plenty of time. You only need ten seconds.
/r/seduction06/09/21 08:30 AM
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Wrong. Plenty of gorgeous single women around. You might be in a scarcity mindset where you only know and interact with a limited number of women who just happen to be taken. If you take a good look around you will realize that there really are plenty of fish in the sea. Just gotta get out of your little pond.
/r/seduction06/09/21 08:28 AM
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Don't think of it in those terms and don't try to actively emulate what you're describing. Just strive to live your best life and be the best possible version of yourself. The rest will follow.
/r/seduction05/09/21 07:02 PM
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Get a tinder profile. For all its flaws, it will show you that at least some women will have some interest.
/r/seduction03/09/21 09:20 AM
0

White guys just get a lot of attention in Asia because they're generally much taller than Asian guys. I think the same thing goes for black guys and other ethnicities. It's like the male version of massive tits.
/r/seduction02/09/21 01:40 PM
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Hmm I think it's less about the universe and more about just being chill and easy going. But yeah it does sometimes feel like what you describe. Anyway, your point stands because whatever you believe, if you just accept that sometimes it will just work out great and sometimes it won't, then that's exactly what will happen.
/r/seduction07/06/21 07:42 AM
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If a guy is checking you out, just approach. I guarantee you he'll be happy with that.
/r/seduction06/06/21 05:51 PM
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I'd drop the word "external". You should work on your personality period. Of course that does include the externalozation of it. But the internal part is of equal importance. You have to truly enjoy yourself.
/r/seduction22/05/21 06:28 PM
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Possibly. Good sign at the very least. Just ask her out.
/r/seduction19/05/21 06:39 PM
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Because generally, seducing guys isn't nearly as complicated as seducing women. To get a guy you basically just have to be decent looking, have nice long hair, dress nice and act really girly. Not even kidding or exaggerating. Just do those things and most guys will go nuts.
/r/seduction19/05/21 08:30 AM
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Oh well. Plenty of other women available. Don't make a big deal out of it. You're a guy that likes women and asks them out. Good for you. Nothing wrong with that. Next.
/r/seduction19/05/21 08:21 AM
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You won't know until you try. Some might be, but some might be very receptive. And even if they are a bit uncomfortable, that doesn't necessarily mean they're not interested. Lots of social interactions are a bit uncomfortable at first, but they can quickly evolve into something mutually enjoyable. Obviously you should learn to read social cues and end the interaction if it becomes clear they'd like to be left alone.
/r/seduction19/05/21 08:12 AM
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Approach. Do it with a canned opener if need be but go situational when possible. The girls with suitcases was a perfect opportunity. Could have commented about their suitcases and said something about them going on a holiday or joked about them skipping town on the run from the mob or whatever.
/r/seduction19/05/21 08:09 AM
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Sometimes, they're just not interested and there's nothing you can do to change that. Who cares? As Mark Manson says, and I'm paraphrasing here, "It's either fuck yeah or no". Don't waste time on maybe's.
/r/seduction12/05/21 02:08 PM
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1 and 2 are important and desirable, but not absolutely necessary. I know plenty of deadbeats who have plenty of success with women. Or I know guys that aren't deadbeats but just don't have a stable job because they're always on an adventure, traveling and doing some odd jobs in between. And they have plenty of women chasing them. I also know guys that are out of shape or drink and smoke a lot, take drugs and so on that also have success with women. That being said though, having a stable career…
/r/seduction13/04/21 03:31 PM
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Obviously not that. Flirt a bit and see if she goes along with it. If she does, then ask her out.
/r/seduction13/04/21 03:24 PM
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That's just a self-fulfilling prophecy
/r/seduction13/04/21 06:40 AM
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You should have either moved or move on by now. But assuming it's not too late, ask her out RIGHT NOW and set the date for this week!
/r/seduction13/04/21 06:39 AM
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That's you subconsciously trying to avoid it. Deep inside, you still fear it, which is why you freeze.
/r/seduction13/04/21 06:38 AM
1

Well said. Being completely unapolegetic about your intentions is the best way. Your attitude has to be "Yeah, I want you. So what?"
/r/seduction12/04/21 08:10 PM
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Aha but the thing is it's not luck at all. It's a skill you can practice and can get better at if you know what you're doing.
/r/seduction12/04/21 07:24 AM
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Flirting in a lighthearted funny way is much more effective than doing so in a serious way.
/r/seduction11/04/21 09:17 PM
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Indeed. I know super handsome guys who get lots of girls looking at them but they just don't know what to do.
/r/seduction11/04/21 07:42 PM
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Looks definitely help. But with great game you can get the same results as a good looking guy with little game.
/r/seduction11/04/21 05:20 PM
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Oh I agree. But I think it's just wishful thinking for most men. Beautiful women, average women and even below average women have so many guys chasing them that they're just not gonna make an effort. But I'd be happy for things to stay the way they are. Because I've been studying game for a while and I just know I'm better at flirting than most other guys.
/r/seduction11/04/21 04:50 PM
1

How is it rigged?
/r/seduction11/04/21 04:44 PM
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I'm saying the rare cases are of men going to jail on false accusations. Going to jail for just talking to a woman just doesn't happen unless you live in some corrupt shithole country. False accusations happen, but they can't come from just talking to a random woman. I just don't buy it. I never said men owe something to women. You owe nothing to women. I'm not saying you should woo her and buy her a bunch of shit. I'm saying if you want to have a sexual or romantic relationship with a woman you…
/r/seduction11/04/21 04:44 PM
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Those are extremely rare cases. You can't not talk to women or not ask them out because of a slim chance one of them will be crazy enough to falsely accuse you. That's like not crossing the road because you light get hit by a bus or not going outside because a sattelite might crash onto your head.
/r/seduction11/04/21 12:30 PM
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It's just what it is man. Unless you're super handsome, women won't make a first move. Think of that what you will but that's just a fact of life. Accept it and approach women, or don't accept it and be alone.
/r/seduction11/04/21 11:56 AM
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Yes it does. If it doesn't work, you're just not trying hard enough. Any guy can get women, but you have to be confident, fun and lighthearted. Those are things you can learn.
/r/seduction11/04/21 11:39 AM
1

Hahaha have fun with your right hand, bro.
/r/seduction11/04/21 11:38 AM
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Why would it destroy you? There's nothing wrong with asking a girl out. It's the most natural thing in the world and every guy does it or wants to do it.
/r/seduction11/04/21 11:37 AM
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If she rejects you, just take it like a champ and brush it off. Say something like "oh well, worth a shot". And if other people at uni mock you for failing, they're idiots. If they talk to you about it just be like "Yeah, I asked her out. Have you looked at her? She's smoning hot. Any sane guy would do the same."
/r/seduction11/04/21 11:36 AM
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Definitely. Just talk to everyone.
/r/seduction11/04/21 10:09 AM
2

That sucks. But with the next girl you might vibe really well and get her number/a date.
/r/seduction11/04/21 08:45 AM
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That's bullshit. You're not gonna go to jail for simply talking to a woman.
/r/seduction11/04/21 08:43 AM
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Always try.
/r/seduction11/04/21 08:42 AM
1

Exactly. You'll probably never see them again anyway.
/r/seduction11/04/21 08:41 AM
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Her being a model is not an issue. Just ask her out confidently.
/r/seduction11/04/21 08:40 AM
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I know it hurts. I've been rejected a lot. But it's not the end of the world. You learn from it, get better, get rejected less and be successful more often. Tomorrow is another day and there's always an awesome beautiful woman around the corner.
/r/seduction11/04/21 08:38 AM
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Not trying makes you look weak and pathetic, because everyone can tell what you want but you don't go for it. At least people can respect someoke who goes for what he wants. I've been rejected multiple times, just like most other guys on this planet. If anything it's made me stronger and better with women.
/r/seduction11/04/21 08:36 AM
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If you're approaching consistently and confidently, then you will have successes. You will also get better over time so the number of rejections will decrease. Not even trying is worde because you'll never be successful and never get better.
/r/seduction11/04/21 08:33 AM
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Oh yeah true. 30 seconds is way too fast. But after a few minutes you could definitely shoot your shot.
/r/seduction10/04/21 10:34 PM
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Better ask her out too soon than too late though. Obviously asking her out shouldn't be the first thing you say to her, but you shouldn't wait too long either.
/r/seduction10/04/21 10:27 PM
2

If the wheater's nice I like to go to a park at some point during the date, usually after the main activity. Just sit down on the grass with a takeaway drink. Sitting right next to eachother helps to escalatr the touching and it makes it really easy to lean in for the kiss. If the wheather's bad a good alternative is a bar that has couches where you can sit next to one another instead of across from one another.
/r/seduction10/04/21 08:12 PM
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If only I had realized it sooner. But painful failures are what we learn from the most. Now we know that next time we have to strike while the iron's hot.
/r/seduction10/04/21 07:45 PM
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Good luck
/r/seduction10/04/21 07:41 PM
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Steps in between are what will make her lose interest. You don't have all the time in the world. Attractive women have lots of guys chasing them and will not wait around forever for a guy that's not making any move.
/r/seduction10/04/21 07:34 PM
1

Just ask her out man.
/r/seduction10/04/21 07:07 PM
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I feel like there's an opportunity for a lube joke in there somewhere.
/r/seduction10/04/21 05:58 PM
1

Sure, go ahead.
/r/seduction10/04/21 02:02 PM
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It's largely self-hypnosis.
/r/seduction10/04/21 01:36 PM
1

Just state your opinion without being sorry. Fuck what other people think of you. Obviously don't be rude, but just be firm in your beliefs and agree to disagree if need be. No one respects a people pleaser. You'll probably make more friends by being assertive, and they'll be true friends who accept and respect you.
/r/seduction10/04/21 10:37 AM
2

Same here man
/r/seduction10/04/21 09:20 AM
1

Completely agree
/r/seduction10/04/21 09:20 AM
1

Don't waste your shot! Take her out now!
/r/seduction09/04/21 08:46 PM
1

Well that's an extreme example, but yeah he's delusional.
/r/seduction09/04/21 03:44 PM
2

Amen to that
/r/seduction09/04/21 01:56 PM
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I think your attitude is a bit off. I get going for the diamond in the rough. But not going for a girl because other guys like her too is just stupid. Just because other guys are acting like idiots around her doesn't mean you have to. More than that, there's a good chance she'll be more interested in a guy that doesn't demean himself to win her favor. There's nothing wrong with asking a popular girl out in a direct, confident way without any bullshit. You don't need to spend your time trying to …
/r/seduction09/04/21 08:59 AM
2

Move on to someone else. Everyone's different. Some women will be into you and some won't. That's life.
/r/seduction09/04/21 08:27 AM
2

Well, at the start you really don't want to date too much. You run the risk of overpersuing. Especially while you're dating other women and working towards your life goals, you won't even have that much time. Finding a good balance is key.
/r/seduction09/04/21 08:26 AM
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I agree. But this posts is for guys who hesitate to ask even one girl out, let alone multiple. Gotta start somewhere.
/r/seduction09/04/21 08:18 AM
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Hell no, that's not what I'm saying at all. Asking a woman out doesn't mean you have to treat her like a queen. You're just inviting her out man to woman, and if she says no you take it like a champ and move on to someone else in a heartbeat. Check out my previous posts about not falling in love with women you're not dating, how to deal with flaking, the mindset you should go into dates with. You will see pretty clearly that I'm saying something completely different, that you should never make a…
/r/seduction09/04/21 08:15 AM
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The fact that they have so many options is exactly why they don't take the initiative. They want confident, strong men. And a confident strong man will take the initiative. I used to wish women would take the initiative, but now I don't anymore. Making the first move is so empowering. I've actually started to love it, even if I get turned down.
/r/seduction09/04/21 08:07 AM
3

Yeah just be honest and say you're not looking for anything serious either.
/r/seduction08/04/21 10:26 PM
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Have a chat, get her number. Then maybe spend a day or two texting if you really want. And then ask her out and go on a date asap. Women are used to guys moving fast, and they generally find that much more attractive than a guy who takes it slow.
/r/seduction08/04/21 09:33 PM
13

Get to know her on the date.
/r/seduction08/04/21 09:24 PM
7

I've been there 5 times before I finally understood where I went wrong. It hurts like hell. But you will get over it. And more importantly, once you've learned this important lesson, you'll get stronger! Stay strong, pal.
/r/seduction08/04/21 08:45 PM
15

Absolutely! There's no shame in asking someone out. It's the most natural thing in the world.
/r/seduction08/04/21 08:23 PM
18

Glad to be of help man! Hope it's succesful. This advice is built on some of my very painful experiences, so it would be great if other guys can be spared of those sucky experiences. You can always do something more elaborate on a second date.
/r/seduction08/04/21 08:21 PM
1

This is what dreams are made of.
/r/seduction08/04/21 03:19 PM
1

I kind of agree with 3 but I would make it a bit longer than a week because many people, myself included, can really only get together at weekends and even then I often have plans with friends. So sometimes it can be 2 weeks or even 3 before I've got a chance to set something up. I recently started dating a girl after texting back and forth for 2 months. Although in this instance it was due to covid measures.
/r/seduction02/04/21 08:30 PM
1

Actually that all makes complete sense once you know how women's minds work.
/r/seduction01/04/21 03:36 PM
1

Yes, but sometimes they're just not interested.
/r/seduction30/03/21 08:33 PM
1

Ask her out.
/r/seduction30/03/21 08:16 PM
1

Yeah but that's why asking women out quickly is a good idea. You either get to have fun with them or you get turned down before you've got a chance to get too much in your head.
/r/seduction30/03/21 02:42 PM
6

How can you genuinely love someone at first sight though? You can be attracted to someone, but truly love someone you don't even know? That's just bullshit. You can have instant chemistry with someone and be atteacted to them, in which case you should immediately ask them out. But true love for someone you've just met? Nah, I don't buy that. I've been there though. But it's not love. It's instant attraction with a good dose of self-hypnosis. Never wait! Waiting gets you friendzoned. Waiting make…
/r/seduction30/03/21 10:38 AM
2

Awesome pal! Now keep doing that and the confidence will become real.
/r/seduction24/03/21 02:03 PM
1

Hooking up is better than just dating. Just don't push it and wait for her to take things forward.
/r/seduction24/03/21 12:11 PM
10

Have great friends, hobbies and goals in life that you can work towards so you're not just sitting around waiting to hear from the girl, so you'll be happy even when there's no woman in your life. And also talk to and potentially date a bunch of different women so you don't get obsessed with just one girl.
/r/seduction24/03/21 08:31 AM
2

Even if you're not very confident, it's still better to ask them out than not to.
/r/seduction23/03/21 08:46 PM
3

I'm not advocating expecting reciprocity from everyone. But I am advocating not putting in time, effort and emotional energy if you don't get it. Because for people who are not polyamorous, reciprocity is very important, if not necessary.
/r/seduction23/03/21 08:46 PM
3

I've heard that before
/r/seduction23/03/21 08:41 PM
1

Ask her out as soon as you feel a desire to date her.
/r/seduction23/03/21 05:50 PM
1

Agreed.
/r/seduction23/03/21 05:49 PM
1

Exactly!
/r/seduction23/03/21 05:48 PM
2

Well there are diffrerent types of love so of course I can love a friend or relative without sleeping with them. The reciprocation just gives you an extra good feeling. At it's core it's validation. But just caring for someone who cares for you in the same way is more fulfilling than if they don't care about you. I think the word transactional is wrong because it's not just a business-like transaction where every aspect has to be paid for with something of the same value. A recipcrocal relations…
/r/seduction23/03/21 05:48 PM
13

There's no law against talking to people. It won't get you arrested. As long as you don't harass people, you'll be fine.
/r/seduction23/03/21 04:56 PM
3

We clearly have different ideas of what we want out of love. I don't think loving someone who doesn't love me back is worth it. To call that a transactional mindset is a bit short-sighted in my opinion. But to each their own.
/r/seduction23/03/21 04:54 PM
2

No matter what you call it, it's just not helpful to harbor such feelings for people and not ask them out. I have no experience with being polyamorous, but for me an many other people, being too invested in someone who didn't reciprocate hasn't been good for us. I get that some people are different, but I've described has worked for me and made me happier, and many other people seem to find my post helpful. Equally, some will not find it helpful. Take from my advice what you will. If you're happ…
/r/seduction23/03/21 04:35 PM
1

You're right. I just didn't want to get into that too much in this post.
/r/seduction23/03/21 04:30 PM
3

I'm saying it's not helpful to become obsessed with and overly romantically attached to someone you're not dating.
/r/seduction23/03/21 04:21 PM
2

No but if you've got a crush, ask them out instead of sitting around waiting for something to magically happen.
/r/seduction23/03/21 03:54 PM
2

Talking to more girls is usually a good idea.
/r/seduction23/03/21 03:53 PM
1

You can love her as a friend but you should drop any romantic feelings, at least for as she's taken.
/r/seduction23/03/21 03:52 PM
14

You can ask her out before you get attached though.
/r/seduction23/03/21 02:21 PM
2

Yes! Well said!
/r/seduction23/03/21 01:52 PM
1

You're welcome
/r/seduction23/03/21 01:50 PM
2

If she hinted that she wants to visit, don't wait and just invite her over. As for the party thing, if she's working as a host it wil probably be hard for her to spend a lot of time with you as she'll be working. You should only go if you really want to go to the party itself, not just to see her. Why not go with a few friends and have a good time, and if you get to spend some time with her, that's just a nice little extra.
/r/seduction23/03/21 01:40 PM
0

Many guys tend to just "fall in love" because the girl is hot and they don't have any other options. It is something you can control. I've done it multiple times. Looking back on the times I "fell in love" with girls quickly, it was basically just hormones and neediness. She was there and she was good-looking so I just decided to fall for her. I agree that real love you can't control. But obsessing over a girl you barely know and doesn't reciprocate isn't love, it's weakness.
/r/seduction23/03/21 12:44 PM
1

I wouldn't say so because most of the time the friendship route leads to being friendzoned and getting no relationship at all. Two people meeting suddenly as you put it is no more likely to become something casual than it is becoming something serious. It can lead in both directions and is only subject to the personal preferences of the people involved. The way you meet has no real impact on the kind of relationship you'll have. Friendships very rarely become relationships. They can, but more of…
/r/seduction23/03/21 12:37 PM
3

You're on the money, pal.
/r/seduction23/03/21 12:24 PM
3

Ask them out then 😜
/r/seduction23/03/21 12:23 PM
2

That's a tough situation. Personally, I would just have fun for those 2 months because otherwise I'd regret it later if I didn't. But I can see how you could really fall for someone in that timeframe and it's gonna suck when she leaves. That's something you're gonna have to decide for yourself. What I would do is just accept the fact that she's leaving and make the most of the time you have. And at the same time I'd date other women to prevent getting too attached to one specific girl. But that'…
/r/seduction23/03/21 12:22 PM
0

Who said they didn't end up working? Not every date has to become a relationship. I'm not currently looking for something long-term because I have work that will take me abroad a lot in the next year after covid is no longer an issue. I'm just dating casually at the moment and don't want to enter into something super serious only to then leave for months on end. Everyone has their own idea of what they want at a certain point in time. The notion that a 'relationship' that doesn't go the distance…
/r/seduction23/03/21 12:16 PM
1

Ah well that would be a tough one regardless of the pandemic then.
/r/seduction23/03/21 11:47 AM
3

It's better to ask her out than to just keep pining over her with nothing happening. It doesn't have to ruin your friendship as long as you take it like a man if she says no. If she says no, respect it and move on. Don't try to change her mind. Because that would be how you ruin the friendship. Ask once, no more. If she says yes, great! If she says no, say something along the lines of "No worries. I respect your feelings. I hope we can still be friends". If she's not a bitch, she'll want to rema…
/r/seduction23/03/21 11:46 AM
2

The money argument is bullshit. Very few women choose a partner based on how much money he has. Looks do come into it, but not nearly as much as you'd think. Average looking guys can get better looking women if they have a great personality. While you're trying to be her friend, another guy is asking her out. You do what feels right to you pal, I'm just telling you what usually works and what usually doesn't. I'm speaking from lots of personal experience here. I used to try the friendship route.…
/r/seduction23/03/21 11:41 AM
2

That's probably people settling for someone who is "less" than what they feel they deserve. Many people just settle so they won't be alone.
/r/seduction23/03/21 11:35 AM
2

Yeah the pandemic sucks and does make things harder. But there's always creative alternatives to be found. I went on a first date last weekend. It was basically just a walk in the park and a coffee bought on a street corner. And it was a successful date.
/r/seduction23/03/21 11:33 AM
4

Agree. Looks do matter, but not nearly as much as people think. More often than not a pretty girl will date an average looking guy if he's got a great personality. Not to brag, but I'm average looking and I date women that would be considered to be "out of my league".
/r/seduction23/03/21 10:21 AM
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Your problem is very clear. "make friendship so I can get to know her". Don't do that. If you want to get to know her, ask her out! Then if you get a yes and you start to fall in love, you're now in love with the girl you're dating! How awesome is that? If she says no, then you will hardly care because you barely know her anyway. And you'll save yourself a lot of time, energy and heartbreak.
/r/seduction23/03/21 10:07 AM
4

+1
/r/seduction23/03/21 09:10 AM
13

+1
/r/seduction23/03/21 09:09 AM
16

If you get hurt then you're already too invested. Your attitude should be "This girl is cool. I'll ask her out. If she says yes, great! If she says no, too bad but there's plenty of other cool women."
/r/seduction23/03/21 09:08 AM
8

Absolutely! Well put.
/r/seduction23/03/21 09:06 AM
1

Glad to be of help
/r/seduction23/03/21 09:05 AM
6

I agree with Morgan. Ask her out asap, because getting to know her is actually what the date is for! That's where you guys will see if there's anything between you two. Friendship without asking her out is what gets you friendzoned.
/r/seduction23/03/21 09:04 AM
4

That's a deeper discussion. In this instance I'm talking about guys getting heavily invested in a specific woman before having dated them or even without having asked her out.
/r/seduction23/03/21 09:02 AM
4

I agree. It's not love. But unfortunately it happens all the time.
/r/seduction23/03/21 08:59 AM
14

Well said
/r/seduction23/03/21 08:58 AM
4

Not sure what you mean there, but asking her out is better than not asking her out. If she says no, at least you'll no and you won't waste your time dreaming about someone who isn't interested.
/r/seduction23/03/21 08:57 AM
7

There's a lot of people on this planet. I'm sure she was great, but odds are you'll find plenty of women who are just as good or better.
/r/seduction23/03/21 08:56 AM
5

Becoming just friends first is what gets you friendzoned. Strike up a conversation a handful of times tops, and just have fun. Then if you feel you're vibing, ask her out on a date and make sure the date is fun. In the case of a highschooler, the bar for getting serious is much lower because you're underage. I'd say a kiss is always a great sign
/r/seduction23/03/21 08:55 AM
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Having gone through it multiple times myself is what made me write this post. It made me miserable. Now I don't anymore and I now live a happy life. Dating is much easier too when you're not super invested right off the bat.
/r/seduction23/03/21 08:50 AM
4

Get other things to think about. Get some goals you want to achieve that don't have anything to do with women. On top of that, talk to lots of different women instead of just one. Then you won't obsess over one specific girl.
/r/seduction23/03/21 08:48 AM
1

Effort gets you nowhere if she's not putting any in herself. It only pushes her away.
/r/seduction22/03/21 10:23 PM
2

How can you really like her if you've never met her in real life? Move on to someone else. Actually, move on to multiple other people. And whatever you do, do NOT get her flowers or any other kind of gift. Gifts are for girls you've been dating for a while, and even then it should be a rarity.
/r/seduction22/03/21 10:03 PM
1

All seemingly basic stuff that gives you a massive head start because many guys don't do those things. About paying for the meal though, I always gladly pay, but I don't think it should be expected. If that's what makes or breaks the date, then you've got the wrong type of woman in front of you.
/r/seduction22/03/21 12:08 PM
2

Is it a fear of failure or something else?
/r/seduction21/03/21 10:55 PM
3

How has life dealt you a shit hand? You're getting lots of attention. Most guys would give anything for that. Seems like you're the agent of your own misery. Go for the things you want. Have fucking fun man. Life's too short to waste it feeling sorry for yourself.
/r/seduction21/03/21 09:27 PM
1

To a limited extent, yes. You want to know she's actually fun and has a good personality. But what you don't want to do is become buddies, because that's what gets you friendzoned
/r/seduction07/03/21 05:10 PM
3

With some people you'll click, which is a good sign. With others you won't, which is a sign to move on. Either way, there is no "one". And the concept in itself is what holds many guys back because they'll get needy over a certain women because they think she's "the one". Forget about this notion entirely. Just try to have fun and act swiftly when you feel there's a click.
/r/seduction07/03/21 02:27 PM
1

Having standards is a good thing
/r/seduction02/03/21 07:58 PM
3

Does it matter? Either way, she's not interested.
/r/seduction02/03/21 07:41 PM
1

I think you're being a bit too specific, especially with the Yelp link. That's just too much.
/r/seduction02/03/21 07:12 PM
3

Romance shouldn't even be a factor until you've been dating for a while. The early dates should just be fun and excitement.
/r/seduction01/03/21 12:05 PM
1

This comment sure tells us a lot about you.
/r/seduction01/03/21 11:59 AM
1

That's a great idea actually. Where will we sign the treaty. The place determines the name of the treaty. Djibouti sounds like a contender.
/r/seduction01/03/21 11:56 AM
11

I'm not trying to be woke at all. I don't give a fuck about political corectness. It's just what I have personally found to work. I'm not saying the PUA's have it wrong. Thinking of yourself as a prize works, but for me, accepting that no one's a prize and you're both just looking for fun has proved to be a level beyond seeing yourself as a prize. Of course a healthy ego is okay. I just don't think ego shoukd be driving your game.
/r/seduction28/02/21 08:40 PM
17

I'm average looking. But I always try to have fun. I vibe with some people and I don't vibe with others. It's all about learning to read the vibe and asking out those people you vibe with. They'll almost always say yes.
/r/seduction28/02/21 08:35 PM
27

True. But it's pointless to chase someone who isn't attracted to you. I'd personally also shy away from women who feel they are above me in value and want to make it a game.
/r/seduction28/02/21 08:33 PM
51

I have found it does work that way.
/r/seduction28/02/21 07:03 PM
3

To be fair, that does seem somewhat plausible if you've got your standards right. The problem is very few people have the balls to approach even one stranger, let alone 100.
/r/seduction25/02/21 08:47 PM
2

How? You said it yourself. Stop chasing them.
/r/seduction14/02/21 09:46 PM
1

That's a personal choice. I just don't want to invest my time into someone who doesn't take the time to reply. Might turn out okay in some cases, but in my expierence it's usually a waste of time.
/r/seduction05/02/21 08:55 PM
2

Cancelling isn't flaking. Flaking is not replying to messages or not showing up without informing the person you were supposed to meet or without suggesting to reschedule.
/r/seduction30/01/21 08:20 PM
3

I think most ghosting is actually because most guys are boring in man to woman interactions. While there's absolutely a segment of guys who are creepy and/or abusive, I believe the majority of guys are decent people with good intentions who are just too needy. But again, that's not to say there aren't a huge amount of pigs out there who deserve to be ghosted. It's just not a majority.
/r/seduction23/01/21 11:49 AM
1

Not only do you get nothing out of it and actually push them further away, it's also not good for you mentally because it puts you in a butthurt mindset, which just won't contribute to your happiness at all.
/r/seduction23/01/21 11:38 AM
4

Don't compliment women on their looks. That's what all guys do. Tease her instead.
/r/seduction18/01/21 03:58 PM
2

Refer back to something you talked about. If for instance you talked about a band you like, send her a song by that band. That's just one example. Think back to all the topics you talked about and see if you can find something linked to that topic that you can send her. It helps if this can be something funny.
/r/seduction18/01/21 02:56 PM
1

Adventure
/r/seduction18/01/21 01:50 PM
1

Tough to just come up with an example like without any context. What kind of stories does she post?
/r/seduction18/01/21 01:47 PM
1

Don't compliment. Fatal mistake. You're now one of many random guys complimenting her looks. Instead, tease her. Make fun of her in a playful way.
/r/seduction18/01/21 01:36 PM
1

Not replying to texts or not showing up for a date or cancelling last-minute without a good explanation, if any.
/r/seduction17/01/21 11:30 PM
1

I don't personally believe you should punish anyone. That's making it about her. Maybe in some cases she can win back your trust and maybe it can work out if she makes an effort. Or maybe if it's easy you can just have a ONS. But it should never be about her. It should always be about you. But that's just my opinion. Everyone gets to make their own choices.
/r/seduction17/01/21 10:30 AM
1

It always sucks, but normally you don't get very attached to someone you're not seriously dating, so you should get over it pretty quickly.
/r/seduction16/01/21 07:27 PM
3

Depends on the circumstances. Usually, if it takes a day or more, that's not very reasonable. But if that only happens once and she's otherwise very responsive, then there's no problem. You have to play it by ear a bit. You'll know when it's been too long. Anyway, my point is not to cut someone off if they don't reply in a timely fashion. My point is to not keep initiating if they're not responsive. You can still reply when they initiate.
/r/seduction16/01/21 11:20 AM
2

Sure, and I've had women initiating again as well. In those cases obviously I do respond. I just stop initiating contact.
/r/seduction16/01/21 09:18 AM
1

I just prefer to invest my time in other people. No hard feelings or anything. I just stop initiating. That being said, I do reply when they initiate again, which has happened lots of times.
/r/seduction16/01/21 09:16 AM
1

Obviously if they have a good reason, it's a different story. And by the way, I never ghost people who flaked on me. I just stop initiating. If they contact me, I will still reply. I just won't be chasing her.
/r/seduction16/01/21 09:13 AM
1

Of course! I thought I'd made clear that this was about when they went completely silent andmade no effort whatsoever.
/r/seduction16/01/21 09:07 AM
3

Yes but then she could say "I can't make that particular day but I'd love to go out some other time"
/r/seduction15/01/21 11:51 PM
3

Sure, but then they will let you know and explain. What I'm talking about is just complete silence.
/r/seduction15/01/21 11:50 PM
2

Once
/r/seduction15/01/21 11:32 PM
6

Sure, but not being physicaly able to do something or not being allowed to by law is not the same as flaking.
/r/seduction15/01/21 11:16 PM
12

Of course, it depends on the circumstances. But even then she should be the one getting back to you.
/r/seduction15/01/21 10:53 PM
2

You'll learn. At least if you're open to accepting uncomfortable truths.
/r/seduction15/01/21 10:52 PM
13

But I presume you let him know in a timely fashion, right? That's not flaking. Flaking is just ghosting someone, or cancelling a date without offering an alternative etc.
/r/seduction15/01/21 10:50 PM
74

Not replying to your messages within a reasonable amount of time is flaking.
/r/seduction15/01/21 09:41 PM
2

There's nothing you could have done. Sometimes the situation is just what it is. You were right not to wait around for an answer and prioritize the plans you already had. But you would have been better off not calling her out and just stop texting and move on. It's difficult at first, but that mindset will pay off in the long run.
/r/seduction15/01/21 09:29 PM
2

It was probably due to the amount of time that passed. Women generally don't stay interested as long as men do. A month is long. Most women will have lost interest by then and/or started dating someone else.
/r/seduction15/01/21 09:20 PM
2

Been there, mate. It sucks. But you just have to set boundaries. If she flakes, it's over.
/r/seduction15/01/21 09:18 PM
4

Good rule of thumb: If you doubt whether or not she's interested, she's usually not.
/r/seduction15/01/21 09:08 PM
4

You should have moved on after she flaked the first time. People who do that once, will keep doing it. Not worth the time. On top of that, calling her out is just a waste of energy, and backfires most of the time. Just don't get so serious about random chicks, mate.
/r/seduction15/01/21 09:01 PM
1

Quite the opposite imho. It makes things even easier for guys who actually know what they're doing and aren't creepy.
/r/seduction19/12/20 10:19 PM
1

Is sex drive the same as emotions though? What I do is I have casual relationships which lead to sex but no attachment. That makes it easy to keep emotions in check.
/r/seduction16/12/20 08:38 PM
51

Very little difference then since you should NEVER drink sea water!
/r/seduction29/09/20 07:09 AM
1

Your point doesn't disprove my point. It just shows that you weren't succesful for some reason. You did lots of approaches, so granted, that can't be the problem. I can't comment on what is the underlying issue since I don't know you and wasn't there for the approached. All I can say is it worked for me, and I am fat.
/r/seduction24/09/20 03:51 PM
5

Ask her our asap. You'll have your answer right away. Waiting forever and not making a move basically guarantees you'll be friendzoned.
/r/seduction23/09/20 10:35 AM
4

They're not mutually exclusive. You can show intent yet have low investment. Like flirt with her but if she doesn't reciprocate you can just move on without a problem.
/r/seduction22/09/20 10:42 AM
2

You're focussing on the wrong things. The point of self improvement is not to grow ten inches. It can't be done. Earning more money is great and you should definitely try if that's your ambition. But that's not what will get you women. Being good looking is definitely an advantage. But that doesn't mean average or below average looking guys can't have succes. All you're saying is women didn't notixe you when you lost weight and bought a nice car. First of, would you really want someone to be wit…
/r/seduction22/09/20 07:36 AM
2

Sure if you got great looks you have an incredibe advantage. My point is that even if you're not handsome you can still be succesful.
/r/seduction21/09/20 05:31 PM
3

If you work on yourself well enough, you won't get rejected 24/7. But you seem to already be coming from a negative place and with that attitude of course you're not gonna get very far. I've been there. I used to be terrible with women, but through working hard on myself and having a positive attitude, I was able to change that. You have to be open to new ideas, which you don't seem to be at the moment.
/r/seduction21/09/20 04:59 PM
0

It's not so much techniques or routines as it is a philosophy and a way of life. It's all about owning who you are and building a great life for yourself. Now, owning who you are doesn't mean you're perfect. As a matter of fact you should always be trying to improve yourself, not to get women but just for yourself. The essence of this modern type of game is to just become the best person you can be and live the best life you can live, because it's the right thing for YOU. You will find that you …
/r/seduction21/09/20 12:18 PM
3

It's great when you're starting out. The new stuff is incredibly powerful, but it may seem a bit general and unspecific to people who are just getting started. If you read the oldschool pua stuff and start trying it to some extent, after a while you will start to realise that all those routines and techniques are just the prepared version of what you would do 'naturally' when you've been learning the new stuff. For instance, oldschool pickup might have canned routines that will make you appear c…
/r/seduction21/09/20 09:51 AM
3

Not true. Average looking guys can get beautiful women if they've got their act together and are confident and pursue their goals and desires.
/r/seduction20/09/20 06:27 PM
1

You don't need to not want them. You just need to be chill about it. Act like it's not a big deal to hang out with people and to ask them to hang out. Because in fact it really isn't a big deal.
/r/seduction18/09/20 07:17 AM
2

When you're being needy you push people away. As you say, people who don't do shit are thriving. That's because they give people space and aren't constantly texting or calling. As pissed of as you may be, being laid back about things will get you a lot further than trying to force things.
/r/seduction17/09/20 10:18 PM
1

I didn't say you shouldn't be conscious of those around you. But do you think you should stop yourself from being who you really are and going for what you want because other people might not like it?
/r/seduction16/09/20 06:29 AM
1

Thanks! Glad it helped.
/r/seduction16/09/20 06:25 AM
1

There you go. Nuff said.
/r/seduction16/09/20 03:54 AM
2

Agreed. But you can maximize your chances by being the best version of yourself. The me of one year ago wouldn't have been able to date the women the current me is dating, because he was needy, boring etc. So what you say is correct, but it shouldn't be an excuse to not work on yourself. Not that I'm saying that's what you're advocating. Just wanted to make that clear for any newbies reading this post.
/r/seduction15/09/20 04:44 PM
4

As long as the pandemic lasts, yes I'm afraid so. When that's all over, absolutely not. Most people will continue to only use dating apps though, which gives you an incredible advantage when you do approach irl. You'll be one of the only ones doing it, so you'll basically have very little competition.
/r/seduction13/09/20 09:04 AM
2

Too little information to tell. But at least it's not negative. So next time you see her you could ask her number or even ask her out. Then you'll have your answer.
/r/seduction10/09/20 04:39 PM
4

If you're already cuddling, it's a small step to kissing. Play with her hair, give her a small peck on the cheeck or on the forehead. If she's into it, she'll go along with it and maybe reciprocate. Then you just go for the kiss on the lips. I'm sure you know what to do after that.
/r/seduction10/09/20 03:34 PM
1

Not 100%. Sure, you'll get fewer matches if your looks aren't as great. But it's about what you do with the matches you do get. A friend of mine gets more than twice as many matches as me, but I get four times as many dates. It's because I know what I'm doing and he doesn't.
/r/seduction09/09/20 08:34 PM
1

I disagree. I know this first hand. I used to try and impress women, trying to pretend to be someone I was not. Didn't get anywhere. At one point I started genuinely being myself and being honest about my intentions and I've been having decent successes. Mainly from online game. Haven't done much cold approaching yet, but I can't see it being that different.
/r/seduction07/09/20 04:21 PM
5

Good looks are an advantage, sure. But an easthetically challenged guy owning his truth will always do better than one who pretends to be something they're not and tries to use tricks and games.
/r/seduction05/09/20 09:09 PM
3

Yes! BUT.... what many guys think is being themselves isn't really themselves. "I'm doing all these things for this girl and agree with whatever she says and wants to do because I am a nice person. I'm just being myself." NO! You are doing those things because you want to get something out of it. Actually being yourself is being willing to openly disagree with her (playfully), not idolizing her etc. That's actually being yourself. You are free from outcome. If she doesn't like something, you're …
/r/seduction05/09/20 09:06 PM
1

What are you on about? What's with the color scheme? Anyway, you seem to be putting all the focus on height and looks, and none on actual game, i.e. conversational skills, body language, wit, overall confidence etc. Moreover, you are basically advocating for guys not to try to improve their game because it would lead to frustration. Do looks and height matter? Of course. But they are not insurmountable. I agree with what you say about maximizing your looks. This can be done by working out, eatin…
/r/seduction03/09/20 10:55 AM
3

The point of getting a life is not to attract women, but for you to enjoy life more, even without women. This will in turn make you less needy and more at ease with women, which will make you more attractive. But again, do it for yourself.
/r/seduction02/09/20 08:31 PM
1

That's part of it. But even beyond that, you shouldn't do or not do things just to please her. You just wouldn't be true to herself and let your whole life and happiness revolve around a relationship.
/r/seduction26/08/20 07:27 PM
1

"Hey, do you wanna grab a drink with me sometime?" There you go. Now you know what to say. Edit: I only read the title initially and thought you meant asking out someone you already knew. If you're cold approaching then you'd obviously have to lead up to it a bit.
/r/seduction15/08/20 08:40 PM
1

There you go. Perfect and simple.
/r/seduction15/08/20 09:22 AM
1

Yeah that should be more than fine.
/r/seduction14/08/20 04:07 PM
1

Just text her the time you'd like to get together. Her reply in itself will be a confirmation of whether or not she can make it.
/r/seduction14/08/20 01:50 PM
7

Never ask her what time she wants to get together. Suggest a time. If that doesn't work for her, she'll suggest another time herself. But if you asked her out, it should be you suggesting the time, place, what to do etc.
/r/seduction14/08/20 01:49 PM
24

Do free and cheap stuff like a walk in the park, maybe sit down by the river if there is one nearby, do some sightseeing in the historic places in town. Getting a coffee is fine too. You don't need alcohol. Nor would you want alcohol to be a deciding factor in whether or not she's into you. That's wrong on multiple levels. As other people have already mentioned, you want her to like you for your personality, not because she's tipsy. I think I know what you meant with the alcohol thing though. Yo…
/r/seduction13/08/20 09:36 AM
1

Amen!
/r/seduction12/08/20 10:36 PM
2

Be confident and the 1000 bucks will start chasing YOU! It's all about the mindset.
/r/seduction12/08/20 10:35 PM
2

That's a really great way to do it!
/r/seduction12/08/20 08:36 PM
2

Hah! Work on that bud.
/r/seduction12/08/20 08:22 PM
9

You misunderstand. I don't mean it literally. I mean that should be your mindset when you ask her out. It's all about confidence. You don't actually have to have extreme stuff planned out.
/r/seduction12/08/20 03:16 PM
9

Yeah active dates are the best. You're actually doing something instead of just sitting there talking. You'll have more fun that way. Plus you don't have a table between the two of you, so there's more room for physicality.
/r/seduction12/08/20 01:39 PM
2

Arrogance and confidence are two completely different things.
/r/seduction12/08/20 12:17 PM
45

Then make it so. Not for the specific purpose of getting women but just for the sake of having a great life.
/r/seduction12/08/20 12:16 PM
76

True. The words themselves are not what get you the date or don't get you the date. I didn't mean to imply you can't use words like "I was wondering". But notice the way I wrote the sentence, with several pauses. I was aiming for the delivery there. If you say it confidently, most words or phrases should be fine.
/r/seduction12/08/20 12:15 PM
41

That's another issue since guys are not used to getting approached by women. The confident guys can appreciate a confident woman but may also go for a shy one. But at the end of the day this in not supposed to be some tactic that says be confident with X type of person and be shy with Y type of person. Confidence is just a great thing for life in general, not only in love and seduction.
/r/seduction12/08/20 12:11 PM
10

Again, it is possible to get a yes even if you're nervous. But being confident will always give you the best chance of succes.
/r/seduction12/08/20 12:05 PM
2

Oh boy. Of course you shouldn't be a jerk! You should just live your life the way you want to live it and not let let your actions be defined by other's opinions. You need to be masculine and go for what you want whilst staying respectful. What you're doing is just going out of your way to be rude and aggressive. Nobody likes that. You just have to be assertive when someone says or does something you don't like. Assertive is not the same as aggressive. Freedom from outcome is not the same as sel…
/r/seduction12/08/20 11:53 AM
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Possibly in some cases. But even those girls will most likely find confidence even more attractive.
/r/seduction12/08/20 11:22 AM
2

True but it is also up to the guy to decides whether he wants to be "in the friendzone", which I believe means he will continue to harbor feelings while she doesn't. Or if indeed he moves on and get over her. This can be done while still being her friend. However, the guy would need to abandon any hopes of getting romantic with her. Of course we may have different definitions of the term friendzone. I believe it's continuing to have feelings for someone who just views you as a friend and often r…
/r/seduction12/08/20 06:54 AM
1

If you've made clear and direct attempts and she turned you down, then you should probably move on. Moving on doesn't have to mean you can't be friends anymore. But it would probably be best if you stopped hoping for more and just enjoyed your friendship.
/r/seduction11/08/20 08:36 PM
3

First of all, that's a pretty fucked up analogy. Also, you seem to be getting friendzone and rejection mixed up. You can get rejected, but that doesn't mean you have to let yourself be friendzoned. If she rejects you, you have a choice. You can choose to not pursue a friendship (for instance if it's someone you don't know that well yet anyway, like if you met them through cold approach. Or you say yes to friendship and just get over her and move on. In neither case will you be friendzoned, not e…
/r/seduction11/08/20 07:05 PM
1

Booyah! Well done bud.
/r/seduction11/08/20 05:42 PM
3

Not necessarily. I've got some gorgeous female friends that I'm not romantically or sexually interested in. You don't have to hump every single beautiful woman.
/r/seduction11/08/20 05:41 PM
9

Then it is up to the guy to walk away because he also has other options.
/r/seduction11/08/20 05:14 PM
3

Spot on, my friend.
/r/seduction11/08/20 04:26 PM
3

EXACTLY!
/r/seduction11/08/20 04:25 PM
2

That's a question we could write a whole other post about. In short, just do fun, exciting things where you're not just seated at a table for a few hours. If you're moving around, even just taking a walk in the park or strolling through an art gallery, this allows you to start giving light and playful touches. Obviously don't touch her in inappropriate places. Just something like high fives, a pat on the shoulder, touch on the forearm to start off with. If she reciprocates, then you can go furth…
/r/seduction11/08/20 04:23 PM
3

Just ask her out in a confident way. You'll have your answer.
/r/seduction11/08/20 03:56 PM
3

I wouldn't actually tell her "I like you. I want to kiss you". It is indeed direct, but it ruins any chance of sexual tension. Just ask her on a date in a confident way. She'll know you're interested, but there will still be some mystery and tension. And on the date, just focus on having fun. If you're having fun, she's most likely gonna be having fun too.
/r/seduction11/08/20 03:55 PM
27

Lol. It's clearly a joke.
/r/seduction11/08/20 03:21 PM
20

Oh but they can. He said women he's attracted to. I have plenty of female friends who I'm not interested in sexually and who are not interested in me that way either.
/r/seduction11/08/20 02:58 PM
11

I'm not sure what you mean. The friendzone has nothing to do with platonic female friends. The term friendzone is used to describe a situation where one person wants something romantic/sexual, but the other wants to be just friends. I don't see why you should friendzone girls in your head. If you're into them, it's okay to go for it with confidence. Just don't idealize them and if they say no, you just move on without it really bothering you. There's plenty of women out there. At least you won't…
/r/seduction11/08/20 02:54 PM
36

Thanks man. Hope it helps.
/r/seduction11/08/20 02:47 PM
10

Indeed. Everyone will be rejected by some women, even the best looking guys, the richest guys and the ones with the best game. No one can get them all. But entering the friend zone is your own choice.
/r/seduction11/08/20 02:18 PM
18

That's awesome man. Good for you!
/r/seduction11/08/20 02:01 PM
29

Hah! Not bad. I should try that sometime!
/r/seduction11/08/20 01:14 PM
8

Thanks man!
/r/seduction11/08/20 01:14 PM
80

Sexualizing conversations, being playful in general where at first I was always serious. And of course just asking her out on a date instead of not taking any action for fear of losing the girl.
/r/seduction11/08/20 01:13 PM
18

Oh it started out like that. I have no problem admitting that. But after a while I started focussing on just having a fun life in general. That being said, I don't think there's anything wrong with still wanting to be with women. That's the whole point of this sub after all.
/r/seduction11/08/20 01:12 PM
7

How am I putting the pussy on a pedestal? I only said I was direct and made my intentions known by asking her on a date. So asking a woman on a date is putting her on a pedestal? If it had been a no, I would have just moved on.
/r/seduction11/08/20 12:53 PM
1

It will be easier for very attractive men, no doubt. Because as you said, they can mess up and don't even have to be very good at it in order to succeed with many women. However, even great looking guys aren't successful 100% of the time. If you're average looking, your game will have to better in order to succeed and you can't afford to slip up too much. But you can still succeed with a fair number of beautiful women. Looks matter, but are ultimately secondary to character. I've got a friend wh…
/r/seduction11/08/20 12:48 PM
1

By just doing what you like to do, saying what you like to say, without any worry whether a woman will be amused by it. If you're having fun, then you will become fun. You don't have to go clubbing if you don't want to. Do whatever you feel like doing. Women are everywhere.
/r/seduction11/08/20 12:19 PM
3

Although people in the UK are generally more reserved, a good approach is still a good approach. British women may be more surprised by your approach initially because they're not as used to it. But if you're fun and you guys click, then it shouldn't be a problem. If anything, it might be more rewarding because you stand out more.
/r/seduction10/08/20 08:02 AM
2

Of course your whole happiness shouldn't ride on getting attention from women. You should have a fun life regardless of whether you have women with you. That being said, there is nothing wrong with desiring women. It's only natural. What I can make out from this post is that you had one rejection, then focussed on self growth for a few months, then had one other rejection, then focussed on self growth some more, then had one more rejection, and so on. That's not the way to do it. Got rejected? N…
/r/seduction10/08/20 07:48 AM
2

Ask her out as soon as possible. Putting such things off is never a good idea in my opinion. I've lost girls who were showing interest in me for this very reason, putting it off because I wouldn't be free for 2 weeks anyway, and then seeing her interest disappear because I wasn't taking action. If she's into you, she'll be willing to wait for a week. If anything, the fact that you have a life and don't throw around your schedule just to be with her is generally an attractive trait. Asking her ou…
/r/seduction10/08/20 07:38 AM
2

Oh no on the contrary. Being smooth generally achieves nothing or very little and just being playful and fun can get you dates.
/r/seduction27/07/20 09:17 PM
1

All you can do is present yourself and see if you guys vibe. Now obviously, you want to do whatever possible to present the best possible version of yourself. I was just having drinks and dinner with my friends. At the 3 different places we dined and had drinks, we talked to 3 different waitresses and made them all laugh and they engaged in a short conversation with us. Does that make us pickup experts? No, of course not. But we showed them a bit of a good time and made them really open and talk…
/r/seduction27/07/20 08:34 PM
12

Just try to have fun. Don't necessarily try to br a joker but just strive to be someone she can have fun around. Contrary to what Hollywood may have taught us, it's not about being romantic and smooth, but about having fun. If you're having fun, chances are she'll be having fun too. After you've been having fun and silly conversations for a while about stupid and random subjects, you can casually invite her to hang out outside of work. Again, don't focus on being romantic and smooth, but just ma…
/r/seduction27/07/20 08:15 PM
1

There you go. Date other women, and if she's into you at all, she'll start chasing you.
/r/seduction27/07/20 02:33 PM
1

Honestly, I never ask twice. Unless perhaps she starts to actively chase. And even then I would leave it to her to ask me out, which does happen every so often. I would just continue to text whenever I felt like it and with nothing else in mind than to just have fun. If she changes her mind, she'll start to chase and start dropping massive hints that she wants to meet up. In that case it woule be alright to ask again, but my general rule is I ask once and that's it. No hard feelings or anything …
/r/seduction27/07/20 01:18 PM
5

If they say "I'll let you know", you should reply "Well, I've got a busy schedule so if you can't make a definite date, maybe we should do it some other time". If she says "yeah we'll do it some other time", then her interest is low and you can try again a week later. If you get the same kind of reply the next week, it's time to move on. If she immediately says something like "No, we can do it now. Let's say 3PM then", then she has pretty high attraction and you've just made it higher by reactin…
/r/seduction27/07/20 12:54 PM
2

Yeah this happened before I read the coach's book. I would never walk into that trap now. I've read his book twice so far and already improved a lot. But yeah I basically got the same kind of message you got, only I let it mess with my head and you didn't. I like your response to her message. Sounds like it was written by the Coach himself.
/r/seduction27/07/20 11:24 AM
1

Oh no definitely. Once you're in a relationship you have to give each other attention, otherwise there's no point. I meant when you're just dating.
/r/seduction27/07/20 11:20 AM
3

Aha yes been there too man! When they reject you and you're unaffected by it and you're just like "cool, no worries" and just carry on as if nothing happened, that makes them think "what's up with this guy?". Most guys would be either be butthurt or start whining and begging. She's not used to a guy taking rejection well. It shows strength of character, and also suggests that you have other options.
/r/seduction26/07/20 09:49 PM
1

Indeed. A valuable lesson I've learned since then.
/r/seduction26/07/20 07:34 PM
2

I don't think they want to be the victim. But responding to them more just makes you come across as weak.
/r/seduction26/07/20 06:36 PM
1

Oh I seem to have misunderstood your original comment. I do agree with you actually. The technical stuff does make a big difference if used intelligently and in moderation. I still do think there is value in striving for outcome independence. I think even the most 'normal' guys do still feel some outcome dependence sometimes so it's not such a bad idea to be conscious of that. I guess we all need different things to reach whatever goal we're trying to reach. I personally would like to see some m…
/r/seduction23/01/20 07:59 PM
1

I did clarify that it's about coming across like someone who doesn't need validation, didn't I? I didn't say people who practice MM actually are that way.
/r/seduction23/01/20 12:24 PM
1

Yes definitely. I try to use it just as a general foundation to anchor all the other stuff around like the more natural stuff and put a great emphasis on inner game. At the end of the day it's all just about being a fun guy who is not just entertaining, but who is also genuinely enjoying himself. I think MM was probably one of the pioneers in its intention to do something completely different than what all other guys are doing by being or at least seeming outcome independent while the average gu…
/r/seduction23/01/20 07:21 AM
1

I use a form of it for online game. I'd be interested to find out what your full game is like. Please do share. Some of us might learn a lot from it.
/r/seduction22/01/20 11:18 AM
1

I feel your pain mate. I was like this until a little over a week ago when I made my first cold approach and found out it's not a big deal and actually pretty fun. Made my next approach 2 days later. If you need to, take baby steps. Next time, just talk to one girl. About anything. Literally anything. Doesn't even have to go beyond 10 seconds. Then you'll have approached and will be unstoppable on your way to mastery. The journey may be slow, but you'll be rolling along nonetheless. The time aft…
/r/seduction20/01/20 04:25 PM
3

At least turn it inside out when you reuse it.
/r/seduction20/01/20 04:11 PM
1

How about rephrasing it like "You're probably gonna hate me for saying this,... (pause). But I thought you looked kinda cute and had to come say hi"? I think it will achieve the original objective as well as telegraphing to her that you have balls and are not so needy as to need her approval. That's just my 2 cents. Thoughts?
/r/seduction16/01/20 04:11 PM
2

Well it kind of does matter to me if advice comes from people who know game or not, because the mainstream advice I've gotten has been mostly useless if not counterproductive. But yeah, I like your mindset of moving on if age is an issue for the girl. Just know that asking for a girl's age isn't necessarily a no-go.
/r/seduction16/01/20 10:20 AM
2

Would those be people who know about game or not? I know there's this mainstream idea that you shouldn't ask about a woman's age, but mainstream advise hasn't gotten most of us very far. I think asking a girl's age is okay. Just don't go into interview mode. But if you genuinely want to know, there's no reason you shouldn't ask. Or better still, why don't you try to guess her age and she can try to guess yours. That way it becomes a little game and you can have some fun instead of simply exchang…
/r/seduction16/01/20 09:39 AM
2

I don't see how that's on you. You can't change your age. If she was turned off by your age, then that's on her. Nothing you could have done about it. Some will be like that, others won't care. I'm 25 and recently dated a 30 year old so don't be discouraged by this one case.
/r/seduction16/01/20 07:01 AM
1

Sure man. Who needs nuance anyway? Especially in pickup where everything is so clear and straightforward. 😒
/r/seduction16/01/20 05:29 AM
1

Yeah that's definitely a great way too. I just feel that for me, at the beginner level I'm gaming now, it's probably best to go right in so as not to give me too much time to get too nervous. But yeah, once I get better at the game, I can probably go slower if I want to and build up some sexual tension before approaching
/r/seduction16/01/20 05:27 AM
1

In addition to the books already suggested by others, I suggest you read 'The Mystery Method' by Mystery (Erik von Markovik). He's basically the pioneer of canned lines and routines and of modern pickup in general. His M3 model maps out the entire interaction from open to close. So in addition to canned lines, you also get a good understanding of the main structure of a succesful pickup. 'The Natural' by Richard LaRuina also contains some good lines, but it doesn't go into as deep an analysis of…
/r/seduction15/01/20 04:45 PM
1

Obviously the rule doesn't say you can't approach after more than 3 seconds have gone by. The intention behind the rule is to make you approach as quickly as possible so you don't have the time to chicken out. Obviously you can still approach after more than 3 seconds have passed.
/r/seduction15/01/20 11:08 AM
1

Thanks man. Feels so good to be taking action.
/r/seduction15/01/20 09:16 AM
3

Yeah that's so true. You just have to get in that zone. After the first approach, the rest is easy. That's why a lot of PUA coaches advise you to do some warm up approaches on your way to the club or wherever you're going. It will help you get in a talkative mood.
/r/seduction14/01/20 08:46 PM
8

IOI's are indicators of interest. They show that the girl has some interest in you. Could be something like playing with her hair, asking you questions and so on. The 3 second rule means whenever you see a girl you're interested in, you approach her within 3 seconds. That way you don't give yourself time to get too much in your head and chicken out.
/r/seduction14/01/20 08:42 PM
2

Well done man. Massive props for going after a 9. Too bad you didn't get anywhere with her, but you did the approach which is what matters the most. And yeah, just going for it immediataly, not giving yourself the chance to overthink it is key!
/r/seduction14/01/20 08:40 PM
8

It was a night club.
/r/seduction14/01/20 06:32 PM
6

Not sure what you mean exactly. Do you mean whereabouts in the interaction or the actual physical location?
/r/seduction14/01/20 06:15 PM
1

Of course, and if it happened just once in a while, I wouldn't care. But it happened literally always. I never ever got a reply within a reasonable amount of time, while seeing she was online on social media all the time.
/r/seduction01/01/20 11:43 PM
2

Might be worth a shot yeah.
/r/seduction01/01/20 09:59 PM
1

Yeah I kind of had moved on. But this just brings it back a bit. But yeah you do make a good point.
/r/seduction01/01/20 09:56 PM
4

Interesting approach. That might be a good way of telling her the truth without seeming butthurt.
/r/seduction01/01/20 09:36 PM
1

Ha possibly! I'll have to think of a good way to capitalize on that 😂
/r/seduction01/01/20 09:34 PM
0

Well, I think many introverts are actually exactly that. Some people just prefer to have a lot of time to themselves. I wouldn't say they have social or psychological problems. But I do think there's a certain segment of people that would like to be more sociable, but just lack the confidence or social skills.
/r/seduction01/01/20 04:36 PM
1

I agree with the other commenters regarding saving sex. I mean I'm glad for you that you're so successful in that area, but if it's preventing you from pursuing a more meaningful relationship, then it might be worth just trying to save it for a later date. On top of that though, I do have some additional tips. Speaking as someone who has been struggling with being too emotionally attached, I believe I can offer some valuable advice. I've been thinking a lot about why I get so emotionally attache…
/r/seduction31/12/19 06:45 PM
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