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[–]BurnItDownSR 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Its old.
The stuff in The Game works and will always work, there's just a lot of stuff that's much better now.
Its like the difference between making a hole with a mechanical hand drill vs using an electronic power drill. Both are effective at fulfilling their purpose, the newer one is just superior.
Almost all good dating advice can be traced back to pick up artists. The majority of advice here came from people who have been exposed to the old school stuff or people who have learned from people who have been exposed to that stuff.
The reason the good advice can be traced back mostly to them is because pick up artists were the first group of people who were willing to rigorously test all kinds of approaches to dating in the real world to figure out what works and what doesn't.
People who give advice without much time "in the field" as Neil puts it in The Game, are just giving theoretical advice, not advice based on what they've experienced to work first hand consistently over significantly numerous interactions and through directly observing it work for their peers to similar extents.
The stuff that has been proven to work in the real world has just been refined throughout the years by them and by the people they've taught and by the people taught by the people they taught and so on.
So odds are, if theres someone you like getting dating advice from right now, if you do a little digging you'll definitely find his or her connection to pick up artists.
[–]Sweet_Ad_8497 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Recommendation for modern advice ?
[–]BurnItDownSR 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
3 good starting points would be to read either, The Natural by Richard la Ruina, Make Women Want You by Jason Capital, or Tao of Badass by Joshua Pellicer.
[–]jestercake 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
It's great when you're starting out. The new stuff is incredibly powerful, but it may seem a bit general and unspecific to people who are just getting started. If you read the oldschool pua stuff and start trying it to some extent, after a while you will start to realise that all those routines and techniques are just the prepared version of what you would do 'naturally' when you've been learning the new stuff. For instance, oldschool pickup might have canned routines that will make you appear confident and high value, while if you're doing the new stuff you will just be those things naturally without having to use canned routines.
But as I said, the new stuff might seem very vague and even useless to newbies. I know it did to me. So I'd say by all means use the oldschool stuff for a while as training wheels and after a while you'll just 'get it' and understand why those routines work. And you'll be able to lose the canned stuff and just do it naturally.
[–]earsurgery9 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
The new stuff is incredibly powerful
example of some powerful stuff?
e.g - what would new technique/lines etc would you use to make a girl who tihnks you are ugly, very very attracted to you/want to have sex with you?
Are you talking about the usual stuff? self amusement, negs, good eye contact etc?
[–]jestercake -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
It's not so much techniques or routines as it is a philosophy and a way of life. It's all about owning who you are and building a great life for yourself. Now, owning who you are doesn't mean you're perfect. As a matter of fact you should always be trying to improve yourself, not to get women but just for yourself.
The essence of this modern type of game is to just become the best person you can be and live the best life you can live, because it's the right thing for YOU. You will find that you can be happy whether you have a girlfriend or not. This means you won't be needy and exude confidence. You'll be living a great life and you'll be pursuing your goals in life. These things are also very attractive traits.
And very importantly, you won't be afraid to just go for the women you're interested in. You'll just go for it with confidence. When you ask her on a date you won't be coming across as if you're begging for her to grace you with her presence. But rather, you'll be inviting her to step into you great life for a while and go on a little adventure with you.
I realize that this may come across as pretty vague and general and may seem of no practical use to you. But if you stick with it, you'll get it in time. At some point it will all just click. That's what happened to me. When I read stuff like this I always thought "this doesn't help me at all. I need specific techniques and routines". But then at some point I just understood and it made things so much easier.
So as I said, if this doesn't seem to help you right away, it's because you're just not there yet. Start at level 1 and do some oldschool game. Still works. When you've been doing that for a while you'll start to see that all those routines are just practical applications of the theory I described above. Then you'll get to level 2 and everything will get so much easier.
When you feel like you're ready, read "How To Be A 3% Man" by Corey Wayne and "Models" by Mark Manson.
Best of luck.
[–]neisbsudnei9191 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
You don’t exude “confidence” by living life. Confidence comes from positive practices and successful attempts, you can work on you all you want but if you’re rejected 24/7 you’ll never be/look confident...... why is that so hard for you to understand?
[–]jestercake 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
If you work on yourself well enough, you won't get rejected 24/7. But you seem to already be coming from a negative place and with that attitude of course you're not gonna get very far. I've been there. I used to be terrible with women, but through working hard on myself and having a positive attitude, I was able to change that. You have to be open to new ideas, which you don't seem to be at the moment.
[–]earsurgery9 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
or just be good looking lol
This dude is autistic but is hella handsome (lots of surgery) and now slays new teens every day (and he's old!)
https://looksmax.me/threads/amnesias-no-snapchat-tinder-tales-pt-2-18-year-old-blonde.209275/
[–]jestercake 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sure if you got great looks you have an incredibe advantage. My point is that even if you're not handsome you can still be succesful.
[–]neisbsudnei9191 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
That’s also false......I’ve myself experienced this and have seen many others run into the same issue. Idk what it is with you weirdos that take reality as negative but it doesn’t change the facts. If a guy says he’s short because he’s 5 ft isn’t him being negative just like me being 6”4 and saying I’m tall isn’t me being positive.
Since I can’t speak on the others I know.... I’ll use mine. I’ve been multiple different guys... being a ugly fat slob/cleaned up fat slob... just this right here alone adds to my point. No women noticed, they didn’t start breaking their necks to see me... nothing. So then I decided to lose weight... went from almost 400lbs to 180lbs, rebought all my clothes (obviously) and guess what happened?....... nothing :D No woman cared (when I say cared I mean being attracted to effort like you weirdos copy paste here 24/7) even on a physical aspect nothing changed.
Not even women I used to go to school with and was around often.... none of them noticed until someone else or myself brought it up. So there I was..... the gym rat ugly guy who still couldn’t even get women to make eye contact with me so the only option left is raw cold approach which means these women are judging you purely off your appearance. Constant rejection, which was nothing new but it was enlightening.
My younger brother has never had issues with women even when he was the shy guy who didn’t talk to anyone unless they talked to him first and had to invest multiple talking sessions to get him to open up. Luckily he is basically a male model..... :D Ive even had women befriend me to get closer to him..... that’s just the way it is.
You thinking positive doesn’t change the outcomes <—- this is a fact, I’ve gotten jobs that I thought I bombed during the interview and rejected on ones I thought I killed it. So what’s left? Money I went from 7.25$ a hour to 30+ a hour... got my own home/car/anything I want really... I drive a 392 scatpak challenger and get looks from guys all the time.
Women look but become disinterested once they see who’s driving vs my younger brother who got fucked in it just picking up his tinder date. You won’t read this but in case you thought you had a clue...... you don’t :D I’ve done the effort and never even was an option. I’m not negative I’m a realist, if you’re 5 ft I’m gonna say you can’t dunk on a 10ft goal.... that’s just reality.
[–]jestercake 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You're focussing on the wrong things. The point of self improvement is not to grow ten inches. It can't be done. Earning more money is great and you should definitely try if that's your ambition. But that's not what will get you women. Being good looking is definitely an advantage. But that doesn't mean average or below average looking guys can't have succes.
All you're saying is women didn't notixe you when you lost weight and bought a nice car. First of, would you really want someone to be with you because of your car? Second, you don't mention whether or not you actually started interactions with women and asked her out. If you did, were you incredibly nervous by any chance which made things a bit awkward? Or were you all serious all the time? I've found women respond well to a lighthearted fun approach that's done with confidence.
Of course you won't get em all. You might get dates from a small percentage of the women you meet. And you won't do nearly as well as hunks when starting out. But you will get dates.
We could keep discussing this man. I don't wan this to be an eternal argument. Although if there's something you really want me to respond to, I probably will. But let's just agree to disagree. What I've described above is what worked for me and lots of other guys. You can choose to ignore it or you can choosr to try it. I don't care eithe way. I was just trying to help out OP.
[–]neisbsudnei9191 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It’s not “focusing” on the wrong things it’s literally a description of what ACTUALLY happened. I approached over a thousand women (500 in person and 500 online give or take a few) and every interaction ended the same... not once did I get a date. Online I never got a message back or any matches (except for sex robots) and in person it was half straight up rejection and the other was they were ok with everything until I brought up “hanging out/date” and then they immediately shot it down.
The point I’m making disproves your whole point. I did the self improvement and nothing changed just as when other people say “stop chasing women and they chase you” <— Same point, I stopped approaching all women and not a single woman started chasing. “Self improvement” is to create the optimal version of yourself and even at that point you’re not guaranteed women... that’s the point.
I stopped having anything to do with women 10 years ago lmao and no I read the situation of every single approach I did. Average looking men can succeed as long as they aren’t fat and poor. If you’re average and fat just loose weight and you’ll instantly see that now however if you’re ugly then no there’s nothing you can do to increase your chances with women.
[–]jestercake 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Your point doesn't disprove my point. It just shows that you weren't succesful for some reason. You did lots of approaches, so granted, that can't be the problem. I can't comment on what is the underlying issue since I don't know you and wasn't there for the approached.
All I can say is it worked for me, and I am fat.
[–]neisbsudnei9191 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Your point was if you do (X) you will get women and I proved that wrong. Y’all have to understand that not everyone is meant to be with someone and that’s okay. That’s why I’m even here, to tell those guys that are unaccepted in the dating world that they don’t HAVE to be with women period.
Me personally I’m asexual, I “wanted” a relationship purely to experience life with another. Could give a fuck less if I ever have sex with them so that lead me to me doing my own thing in life.
Even with me dropping dating completely and fully immersing myself in whatever was in front of me (gym, clubs, concerts,etc etc) which automatically makes you non needy because you aren’t looking for women. Women still never gained any attraction towards me even with me having fun and smiling and blah blah blah. How do I know they weren’t? Because I have quite a few lady friends who’ve ive gotten to ask and probe the women around me/ones I’ve asked to explain why they said no/rejected me. Pretty much was 50% he’s ugly vs 50% he’s not my type. Fun and socially entertaining are a woman’s type or it’s a bit more specific to me.
That’s life.... you said “you’re fat” but I’ve never once in my life heard any woman say “oh no he’s fat I can’t be with him”. Plus if you’re good looking and chubby women love that because the also see potential so in their head if you lose weight you’ll be a whole dime and they can reap the benefits of it.
[–]neisbsudnei9191 -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
None of you are high value Lmaoo
[–]7Saturn7Saturn7 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Here's the explanation for the most famous dated stuff. Peacoking is just the realization that it's better to be a bit dorky/weird and in the limelight than to be the coolest guy no one is paying attention to. Negging is the realization that conflict and negative emotions aren't always to your disadvantage.
[–]BurnItDownSR 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If no one is paying attention to you, you're not cool, you're just imitating a movie character that was made to look cool with the magic of videography and movie music.
[–]7Saturn7Saturn7 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean men probably thought to not risk drawing attention to themselves before movies, but this is kinda another way to put it.
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