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I don't think making yourself even prettier is what you need to be doing. If you wanna date again just sack the fuck up and start putting yourself out there again.
/r/seduction26/07/26 05:15 PM
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Buddy, I'm sharing personal experience and the personal experiences of many people I actually know. I was there when it first became a popular sentiment. There's a reason it is popular. You're not talking to some clueless newbie like you've probably gotten used to on this sub. You're the one fixated and insisting on a unusual idea. Look at you arguing with everyone on it. And yes, I'm talking about cold approach.
/r/seduction24/07/26 06:29 AM
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Those numbers are backwards in the experience of me and my community and the fact that its parroted everywhere is another testament to that. This is either something you are just theorizing about or you're just fixated on a small number of memorable experiences you've had.
/r/seduction23/07/26 08:38 PM
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I learned seduction at a time when communities actually met face to face and me and all the most consistent people in the group I was in can all attest that women mostly forgot the openers. Its also an extremely rare occurrence to approach the same girl 2-3 days later. The only one you have a point on is her remembering about the FTC, but her calling it out usually means you've lost her interest. Its also not that meaningful to remember something that only happened minutes ago. Like ok, she's no…
/r/seduction23/07/26 07:23 PM
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You don't have to tell me to think about it. I've been doing it more than 20 times per week since 2015. Instead of losing your shit over your imagination, do it for real so you'll know what it is actually like.
/r/seduction23/07/26 06:36 PM
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So? Skills are difficult. If you experience difficulty learning to drive, do you just quit? Either continue working to improve or stop hoping to get much out of dating. Make an assumption. "You look like you're training for some sort of competition", "Your tan tells me you're a regular here", "You're giving me real tourist vibes." I just made that up now, I have that ability because I wasn't too lazy to keep working on this difficult skill.
/r/seduction23/07/26 05:53 PM
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What the hell are you learning, Mystery Method?? There are countless resources teaching you how to do indirect approaches on the street. It can be as simple as asking for directions. And if you can ask for directions on the street, guess what, you can do the same on the beach. In the gym its ridiculous easy too. All the reasons you'd talk to a guy you can do the same with a woman.
/r/seduction23/07/26 05:23 PM
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Because that's how a direct approach works. She's either sure about you in that moment or not. And if not, she's gonna reject you. It's that simple. You don't need to pressure women to be sure about you immediately. That's why indirect exists.
/r/seduction23/07/26 05:10 PM
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You went from "dating isn't scientific" to "Todd's approach makes me feel inauthentic." Goalpost moved.
/r/seduction22/07/26 06:03 AM
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Don't say sorry to me, your bad judgement doesn't affect me.
/r/seduction21/07/26 06:32 PM
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Todd is at the opposite side in that he's super technical, but honestly, I feel like he's trying to force science into something taht isn't scientific. Only someone who lacks the understanding of science has this opinion. Whats "scientific" supposed to be in your mind? Something that works every time? The overwhelming majority of what we apply science to does not have a 100% success rate. Edit: When people just downvote without making a rebuttal because they know they're wrong but don't want to …
/r/seduction21/07/26 06:20 PM
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I think it's quite obvious that guys like Luke and Max were forgettable. How can you take a fat guy seriously anyway? It was almost like they brought Luke in to sell the idea that you don't need to be handsome to get laid! Have you seen their infields? And guys on this sub wonder why they keep falling for scams... Instead of actually judging someone based on merits you judge them based on your idea of what a successful ladies man is supposed to look like, so of course you're easy to trick. Even …
/r/seduction21/07/26 06:10 PM
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That sounds pretty plausible.
/r/seduction21/07/26 01:46 PM
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Must feel devastating for some and others just cope even harder.
/r/seduction21/07/26 07:07 AM
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I'm not the person you replied to so I don't have the exact same beliefs she does but I believe the lines aren't necessarily cringe, it's more that they're suited better to the person giving the example. And especially of David DeAngelo, he's not one of those guys who expects people to copy the examples he gives, he gives examples more for illustration purposes. So I would say it's the fault of the reader for trying to take a shortcut and just copy the lines rather than really understanding what…
/r/seduction20/07/26 02:51 PM
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That's interesting. In person the level of respectfulness hasn't really changed. Of course, even 10 years ago, people were already quite disrespectful but it hasn't amplified even further today in my experience. Maybe there's something going on with the algorithms that are affecting someone's experience on dating apps.
/r/seduction20/07/26 02:23 PM
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I haven't been using online dating much so your point probably stands. But what I said and what you did can be true at the same time. Whats the hard part about dating apps these days, getting matches in the first place or conversions?
/r/seduction20/07/26 04:07 AM
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If you google "seduction" this sub or even reddit isn't the only thing that pops up. Start there.
/r/seduction19/07/26 06:26 PM
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You speak of nowadays as if you have any reference experience to compare it to from years ago. I started dating in 2013 and found out about seduction in 2015. For around 5 years I also had the same experience as you but when I got better, my experiences got exponentially better, until today. In the 2020s, I haven't experienced the stuff that everyone whines about when they say, "girls these days..." the tendencies I saw from women when I started are the tendencies I see now and the way I handle …
/r/seduction19/07/26 06:23 PM
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Oof. Good luck buddy. This sub has been bastardizing Game for years. It started to get really bad in 2020. I doubt you'll get any helpful answers.
/r/seduction19/07/26 03:15 PM
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Logic always sounds like nonsense to people who lack the capacity for it.
/r/seduction19/07/26 11:27 AM
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False. This idea is only incredibly appealing to guys who love to oversimplify everything. Humans are inherently multidimensional. For example we don't just eat because we're hungry. And even when we're hungry we can decide against a food option we genuinely want because it goes against another priority. Like if you genuinely want some candy but you've been eating clean for 3 weeks. If you're married but you meet a woman you think is drop dead gorgeous, is being into her the only thing affecting…
/r/seduction19/07/26 06:04 AM
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Pathetic. Unlike what hunterpua said, you're still prioritizing getting sex over your own standards.
/r/seduction18/07/26 07:18 PM
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Wow. 5 paragraphs of excuses. How would you know what's good or bad dating advice if you don't have enough knowledge to give your own advice?
/r/seduction16/07/26 11:09 AM
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The vast majority of them are terrible and many of them lie through their teeth. There's maybe one or two that are good and a handful that are a step above mediocre (not particularly helpful but at least not actively damaging). This take sounds laced with dogma and confirmation bias. If you have some personal experience with it, odds are its from altering their advice with your feelings rather than following it exactly as it was taught to you. A lot of the highest voted posts on this sub are lik…
/r/seduction16/07/26 07:47 AM
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If you spar thousands of times but never even learn how to throw a proper jab you'll still get your ass kicked every time by guys who actually took the time to learn.
/r/seduction15/07/26 11:40 PM
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"Can we please stop with all the fitness trainers? Every day there's a new one. Whether it's on social media or even in this sub, they all seem to follow the exact same script." You don't think there are tons of shitty trainers who follow the same script? Go on Tiktok. Or look up V-Shred. You're forming your opinions about dating coaches based on the worst of the worst. If you see someone recycling BS then that's just a shitty coach. Block him out. But if you see someone who is actually giving g…
/r/seduction15/07/26 03:13 PM
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That's on you. This sub isn't arranged by experience level nor is it supposed to be. If someone is discussing something more advanced than you need then its on you if you jump the gun and start focusing on that. Your post is like being on a fitness sub complaining that you now worry about microloading or the length-tension relationship when you're only on your first week in the gym. It's not the sub's responsibility to only teach you what's relevant to you. It's your responsibility to focus on i…
/r/seduction12/07/26 01:59 PM
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First of all, do you even read the stuff on here? You act like we're still all doing Mystery Method. Stop attacking a 20 year old relic people barely use nowadays to make it seem like you're doing something. Second, it's easier to create mental shifts from taking action than just by being on your own and thinking about stuff. A guy who regularly gets into situations where girls are flirting with him, and even moreso when he gets farther than that, will develop good self esteem much faster than s…
/r/seduction11/07/26 10:10 PM
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Tell me you don't approach without telling me you don't approach.
/r/seduction11/07/26 01:14 AM
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Fuck yes! And to add to this, the reason why this is better than just directly asking her out is it gets more involvement from her and gets her contributing more. If you just ask her out directly you're still just doing all the work.
/r/seduction07/07/26 10:30 PM
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PlayingwithFire is another one of the guys that puts out good shit today. And his teachings are in fact at the same quality as the golden age of seduction.
/r/seduction07/07/26 02:49 PM
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That's why I said it was exacerbated by most of the community at the time grossly misunderstanding the teachings. I understood the same thing you did, but most people at the time didn't. I provided the real issue in the first line, MM lacks nuance in understanding interpersonal relationships. Don't be like those people back in the early 2000s and miss the important details of what I wrote.
/r/seduction07/07/26 02:11 PM
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Mystery Method lacked a lot of nuance when it came to attracting women and that was exacerbated by most of the community at the time grossly misunderstanding the teachings and all trying to dress outrageously and be magicians. Lol But at the same time, it actually produced better results than the oversimplified or downright inaccurate Black, Red, whatever Pill stuff we got going on now. At least Mystery Method was just a more primitive attempt at doing what works. The "Pills" don't even seem to …
/r/seduction07/07/26 12:58 PM
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Exactly.
/r/seduction07/07/26 11:07 AM
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Exactly.
/r/seduction07/07/26 11:01 AM
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Giving up on searching for a shortcut and doing the damn work! And the shortcut boys can still use that statement to waste more of their time so let me clarify it. That doesn't mean don't learn methods and ways to flirt better. It means when you learn those methods and realize they won't cause instant success and require you to practice, don't be throwing tantrums and calling it a scam, do the damn practice!
/r/seduction07/07/26 08:51 AM
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Black Pill has been the most destructive thing to touch this subreddit. We're doing worse than the seduction community in the Mystery Method days and let me tell you, as someone who experienced those days, those days sucked!
/r/seduction07/07/26 08:44 AM
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Exactly. What OP is describing is intermediate at best. More understanding of dating than a beginner but still a very flawed one. This post here is like how high school kids think they got everything figured out, until they get out of high school. Lol This post is just revealing the ratio of intermediate guys to advanced guys on this sub.
/r/seduction05/07/26 06:42 AM
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By using it to motivate me and continuing to work on this. The real problem is that people barely work on this. Even if someone is regularly going out, that's almost all he's doing. The practice of flirting is a lot less intentional and much more random nowadays. Just going and talking to girls with whatever you make up in your head instead of learning and practicing specific skills. And that's not even the worst part. The worst part is only a minority of people even do that. Most people procras…
/r/seduction27/06/26 06:04 PM
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Again, telling on yourself with your assumption that the women OP approached felt unsafe.
/r/seduction24/06/26 06:54 AM
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We should preserve this thread as evidence for how many people on this sub don't even cold approach. You're just telling on yourself with your comment man.
/r/seduction24/06/26 06:18 AM
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Lol. Tell me you've never cold approached in India without telling me you've never cold approached in India.
/r/seduction24/06/26 06:14 AM
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Not everyone is a simp who thinks the girl they're with is gorgeous no matter what. I certainly have preferences for how my girls dress.
/r/seduction22/06/26 09:51 AM
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Yes but resisting is ineffective and it's directly fighting the psychological mechanism, whereas removing is avoiding the psychological mechanism. Those that manage to get out of toxic relationships are more likely those that had circumstances that helped them avoid the psychological mechanism enough to overcome it, not just those that overcame it head on with sheer will. So it's not a test of how much you love yourself. Of course there will be outliers for everything, but anyone who understands…
/r/seduction20/06/26 08:40 PM
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The false part is attributing that difficulty to a lack of self worth though. Instead of the issue coming from the psychological mechanism, it's coming from the subject. And that's just naive. It's like saying a responsible person is a lot better at resisting temptation to deviate from their diet when in reality a responsible person actually removes temptation as much as possible by making junk food harder to access.
/r/seduction20/06/26 07:30 PM
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You already know the answer to your own question, you just wanna argue against cold approach with your plethora of excuses. And please don't try to insult anyone's intelligence with a weak ass response like "cold approach doesn't work these days." There are tons of people here who actually cold approach who know that's just a cowardly BS excuse. Its funny how so many guys here want to be the kind of guy that women flock to, yet they're not even manly enough to acquire the courage to just talk to…
/r/seduction20/06/26 05:19 PM
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This is not even true. Only women reading this right now feel this way. But the women actually living it are absolutely obsessed with the guy they're with. Nobody, men or women, want to accept how easy they are to control. That's why when someone is good at persuasion, the person they've been persuading is often their biggest defender.
/r/seduction20/06/26 05:11 PM
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Oh yeah definitely. There are still a good number of real ones in here.
/r/seduction16/06/26 03:07 PM
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Absolutely. This place is like the definition of crabs in a bucket. You can use "coaches" though. It still sets off the haters but it's less obnoxious.
/r/seduction16/06/26 02:59 PM
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Yeah. Also, none of them called themselves gurus. Nobody who actually knows anything about seduction calls them gurus. Only the haters call them gurus.
/r/seduction16/06/26 02:51 PM
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If there was an N5 equivalent for dating, most people with just experience would fail that too. You're comparing a standardized test to practical effectiveness. The vast majority of humanity can win a fight if they manage a lucky swing too. But some random tough guy with no training at all can't do much with even the worst competitive boxer. Boxing or any martial arts isn't necessary. We can all fight just fine without it, albeit, not as well. Most men haven't figured out how to get laid. They'v…
/r/seduction16/06/26 12:07 PM
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You get better at all the things you mentioned from simply doing them and never studying them at all too. The real question is "How much better do you want to get?" If you get good enough to be satisfied with the results then you won't need to study. If not then you do. For example, if all I want is to be able to thank people in Japan and I keep hearing "arigato" then I would be satisfied just learning that. But if I wanted to become conversational at Japanese, I would have to actively study it.…
/r/seduction16/06/26 09:15 AM
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Unfortunately the second you mention "dating coach" most people on this sub will just tune out everything else that you write unless you're saying negative things about coaches. This sub has moved away from being focused on self improvement and more towards blaming everything but themselves for their failures.
/r/seduction16/06/26 09:08 AM
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There is a simple feedback loop one gets when reflecting a bit about their interactions throughout the day. It sounds like you're agreeing with me, as I've taken the pro reflection stance more on this thread. Or probably, you assumed there was disconnect in what me and u/becomesharp are saying when there actually wasn't. Again, people do this normally. They don’t need coaches or teachers to realize they’ve said or done something awkward, or said something that people thought was cool or funny. Y…
/r/seduction16/06/26 08:55 AM
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Exactly. The real problem is doing one or the other instead of both. Constantly learning without action gets you nowhere. Constantly taking action without learning leads to repeating the same mistakes over and over and blaming circumstances and others for your failures.
/r/seduction16/06/26 08:36 AM
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You were totally fine using that analogy when you thought it worked in your favor. Social skills are skills like every other skill. Your parents and teachers actively taught you manners and you consciously absorbed that. Even dating etiquette is something you consciously absorb. Trendy behaviors are also things you consciously absorb. You don't just mindlessly and magically develop most of your social skills. They just feel that way because it's been years since you actively thought about them.
/r/seduction16/06/26 08:17 AM
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You honestly think all basketball players do is mindlessly play and never put any thought to strategy? Analyzing dating is like analyzing basketball with your coach, with your teammates, or on your own. And basketball players do in fact use a pen and paper to analyze the game. What do you think the Xs and Os they keep drawing are for? Doing and thinking aren't mutually exclusive. You shouldn't immediately assume that just because someone puts a good amount of thought into dating means he isn't a…
/r/seduction16/06/26 08:05 AM
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Nah. As long as someone isn't hesitating to actually talk to women frequently and consistently, it's totally fine to get the opinions of others and try to understand social situations better. It's only a problem when analysis causes inaction. Also, action without feedback, reflection, and further education will still let you lose a ton of time. We all know that if a socially awkward guy or a desperate guy does and says things he feels in the moment, he will get rejected. And that's good if he ta…
/r/seduction15/06/26 03:36 PM
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So of course what I said above is foundational advice: "Get your asses out of the house and actually talk to living, breathing, women, and do so frequently and consistently." No other advice will make much of a difference if you're only approaching one woman a week. But based on what you said, it sounds like you also lack an understanding of how to go about flirting. It's like you're trying to learn the piano by just randomly pressing some keys. So for that my advice is to not listen to the peop…
/r/seduction13/06/26 05:36 PM
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That sounds like decades of experience approaching seldomly. I know a few guys who have technically been doing this for decades who only work on this reactively. They wait months for things in their social life to get so hard to bear before they come back to working on this and when they do they get reminded that this takes real effort and commitment, as much as the gym at least, not just something you can do whenever you feel like it, and then they gradually put it off more and more until it's …
/r/seduction12/06/26 04:15 AM
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No that's just the excuse that's been propagated on the internet lately. Seriously guys, lets get these incels out of here.
/r/seduction11/06/26 10:28 PM
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Those results are due to a skill issue. If you're legitimately too autistic to ever have a chance of flirting well then what I said above doesn't apply to you. That's like a one legged guy trying to play soccer.
/r/seduction11/06/26 10:22 PM
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You mean you were new to a skill and you screwed up? Shocker! That's how this works. You weren't driving on the freeway your very first time you got behind the wheel of a car. You weren't even getting anywhere your first time on a bike unless you had training wheels on.
/r/seduction11/06/26 10:10 PM
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Yeah, ok buddy. Come back a year from now when you discover more blind spots. I thought I cracked the code too when I first started seeing decent results but what set me straight was the fact that I kept going and kept putting myself out there and facing the actual truth for over 10 years instead of assuming the handful of tweaks I made fixed everything and then turning around and blaming women for not being attracted to me, which is the usual cope for people who think they've already figured th…
/r/seduction11/06/26 07:54 PM
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Sounds like you have all you need to work around a lack of intuitive emotional intelligence then.
/r/seduction11/06/26 07:30 PM
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I think the lack of emotional intelligence is the bigger factor. I don't know that much about autism but if I'm not mistaken, it's impossible for someone like you to develop a meaningful level of intuitive emotional intelligence. But can you develop that consciously? Like if you read body language books that straight up tell you what different nonverbal clusters mean, is that something you can retain and be effective with in practice?
/r/seduction11/06/26 06:58 PM
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Feel free to keep replying to my comments if that's how you cope with the cognitive dissonance of this silly dogma.
/r/seduction11/06/26 03:51 AM
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Now you're just deliberately misinterpreting what I said and dipping because you know you've been exposed.
/r/seduction10/06/26 06:13 PM
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Sounds like you just prefer to chase hard. That's just the extent of your understanding because you were too lazy to learn much. The fact that you assume it's hard is also indicative of your lack of flirting skills. Making a basket when someone's guarding you is only hard for the guys who regularly skip practice. I'm not sure how many times you've experienced true desire and interest because of how you talk and your hidden comments. It's funny, I doubt that about you too, since you're talking li…
/r/seduction10/06/26 05:56 PM
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No, I'm gonna explain how giving away your number and refusing to take her's is lazy, playing it safe, and acting with a fragile ego. It's very easy to see how you're playing it safe, you skew your odds hard by only giving away your number. It's like playing basketball and refusing to attempt a shot unless you're right under the rim and no one's guarding you. That's also why it's lazy. With a little skill and practice, you could make something happen with the maybe girls, or when you attempt a s…
/r/seduction10/06/26 05:01 PM
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Ah so playing it safe. Got it. No thank you. I'm not that lazy and my ego's not that fragile.
/r/seduction10/06/26 04:32 PM
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Me personally, no. I've been "addicted" to sex but in the same way you'd be "addicted" to your favorite junk food. I don't get withdrawals or go crazy or anything if I go weeks without it. I'm also "addicted" to the game itself. Like I genuinely enjoy doing it just to do it. It's like playing an actual video game for me. And the "addiction" is just like a dude who can't wait to have free time to play, not someone who skips meals and sleeping to stay up and keep playing. So I guess I'd call mysel…
/r/seduction10/06/26 07:36 AM
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Of course not. But it conclusively disproves this sentence: Collecting numbers is not something we'd think much of back then. According to your own recounting, there was a period where you thought about it a lot. Case in point on your personal vendetta. You're spinning what he said by being overly literal just so you can have something to argue against. Ironic you accuse him of twisting into pretzels because that's exactly what you're doing. What did hunterpua do to you bro? He fuck the girl you…
/r/seduction09/06/26 07:12 PM
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Learn more. Signals are not a requirement, they're more of a nice-to-have. Millions of men have been successful at seducing women who never gave them any signals in the beginning. Move away from the resources that are dependent on seeing signals in the beginning and look for resources that teach you to act regardless of them.
/r/seduction07/06/26 04:20 PM
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This is 100% correct. But people are too emotional to accept this. That's a major reason for the low success rate in seduction, most just don't want to walk into the door even when someone opens it for them.
/r/seduction07/06/26 08:33 AM
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This is one of the excuses of people who have become emotionally attached to cold approach. It's right up there with hating on dating apps. Cold approach has basically become your new comfort zone and anything too drastically different to it feels wrong to you. Dude, I've been cold approaching for more than 10 years and I love it too and I think it's given me a massive advantage over 99% of men but I don't hide in it as my new comfort zone. I also do social circle game and it's also a massive ga…
/r/seduction07/06/26 03:26 AM
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So this is how you people supress content that's actually helpful, just make baseless accusations as if they're facts. Very clever.
/r/seduction06/06/26 04:23 PM
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Because women care more about status and personality than looks. Easier to pretend you're somebody than it is to change your face and the shape of your body. If you want your interactions to be less shaky then address your behaviors the same way women address their bodies. They diet and work out to develop bodies that guys will be less doubtful of. You should also train yourself to stop making cringey mistakes and to be more smooth. That was the original point of Seduction. It isn't supposed to …
/r/seduction06/06/26 07:36 AM
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Here's advice for you OP: You need to use Game to effectively teach Game. I absolutely agree with everything you said because I've lived the same reality but these guys who haven't lived it, and guys who are too scared to step out of their comfort zones consistently have their shields up against anything that pushes them too far away from the behaviors they're comfortable with performing. In this post you teach methods to circumvent someone's resistance against being seduced, if you want to star…
/r/seduction05/06/26 04:53 PM
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Yes. A lot of the "misogynists = incels" is just radical gaslighting. Those words also don't mean that much because radicals label you with them whenever it serves them, not when those terms accurately describe you.
/r/seduction04/06/26 09:36 AM
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Buddy, you're the one trying to reinvent the wheel here. What OP is talking about is what this wheel has always been, long before this subreddit existed. Your comment is like a kid trying to educate his dad on what actually happened in Pearl Harbour.
/r/seduction03/06/26 08:49 AM
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You're just telling on yourself. What OP is talking about is actually what Game has been long before a subreddit for it got created. Its newbies who aren't humble enough to act like newbies that have made a bunch of oversimplified shit up and guys here are worse off for it.
/r/seduction03/06/26 08:46 AM
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Learn Game and apply it to talking to everyone, not just trying to fuck, and do it often. I'm not gonna walk you through the process of learning Game. You're in a sub that's made for that.
/r/seduction30/05/26 05:46 PM
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Everyone is different but we aren't that vastly different. The results of the men you've observed wouldn't be as frequent or consistent if there was absolutely no crossover in what causes attraction among people. We mostly differ in the nuances but are a lot more similar in the broad strokes. Otherwise it's impossible for anything to become popular. And yes, over 10 years I've certainly seen this, know men like this, and have experienced it myself. Being sociable is something I actively try to c…
/r/seduction30/05/26 03:42 AM
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That's not how shit tests work. Shit tests arise when the girl IS unsure about you. It's like when you see a sexy silhouette from a distance but hold your decision on whether to approach or not until you get a good look of her face. Shit tests come up when she feels like there's something there but needs more info to ascertain whether its real or not. You can act like a guy who fucks, but until she tests that, there's always doubt that you're just putting on an act. Just like there will be doubt…
/r/seduction28/05/26 05:39 PM
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And then it'll come back the next day. If the people on this sub actually approached with any sort of consistency, they would know this. Those who do approach regularly have all experienced days going going extremely well, even leading to wild sex with someone you have tons of chemistry with and they initially think that's the death of their nerves, until those nerves come back again. Those that have stuck with this enough to actually make a difference know that you kill your nerves over time. T…
/r/seduction26/05/26 04:58 PM
2

This. No one's changing their mindset just by hiding away and thinking to themselves. They have to experience approaching in a very intentional way.
/r/seduction26/05/26 03:49 PM
1

Exactly. This guy knows what's up.
/r/seduction25/05/26 04:50 PM
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Lloyd Dixon, The Single Guy on youtube. Michael Sartain is also damn excellent resource on youtube if you can overcome your emotional resistance and assumptions about social circle game and actually hear him out with an open mind.
/r/seduction25/05/26 07:59 AM
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Yeah I've slept with tons of women from opening with compliments over 10 years. Don't get me wrong, I do strongly believe that we should understand more nuance in how you flirt and communicate with women and that complimenting or showing intent when you approach is a very low level, basic stuff that doesn't produce the best results but it's certainly not bad either. Definitely not crazy bad like OP is making it sound. The greatest benefit to it is simplicity and speeding things up. Showing inter…
/r/seduction21/05/26 05:20 AM
1

Man yeah, those were the days. Nowadays you can't just say what works. You have to use game in your posts to frame things in a much more palatable way to get these dummies to actually take advice that works.
/r/seduction20/05/26 05:09 PM
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Looks matter but there are other things that matter as much and even more that can make up for a lack of good looks. Looks are a path to intimacy but its not the only path. If your looks path isn't good enough to get you there, you still have alternate routes to get you to the end zone.
/r/seduction20/05/26 03:11 PM
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Good job guys! Just keep rediscovering 20 year old material! This isn't meant to be a knock on you OP. I'm more calling out this sub in general because the hate for the older dating advice and anything more "PUA-ish" is so strong here yet like you just did, people keep coming up with stuff that was already being taught 20 years ago. It's almost like this sub should cut the crap and go back to embracing what came before so that we don't just keep cycling back to the 2000s and we actually innovate…
/r/seduction20/05/26 02:31 PM
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For a lot of men here, there seems to be some problem with sex being something they 'get' from women - they don't see it as something both mutually enjoy. You're also giving her a good time with your presence. Exactly. But I see too many people focusing on skills and techniques without even being able express interest without any internal resistance. Yeah. I just think you could have done better with the framing of your message, because you saying the other stuff is secondary made it sound like …
/r/seduction20/05/26 08:54 AM
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For people who are new to this, sure. But for anyone who already has zero hesitation clearly expressing interest, you plateu very quickly if you neglect the higher social skills, flirting, escalation, logistics, etc. Expressing interest is like making it past the tutorial stages of a video game you just started, there's more to go. If you're giving this advice maybe you've already overcome this hurdle. Well instead of making the numbers game excuse, the looks excuse, or the "she needs to already…
/r/seduction20/05/26 08:31 AM
2

Yep. It's the same with finances too. So many poor and middle class people acting like they have the rich all figured out. Lol
/r/seduction19/05/26 10:52 PM
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You're way too defensive man. He just means this isn't common enough to be a problem. Also, did a girl tell you she's fucking another dude?
/r/seduction19/05/26 10:44 PM
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Good for you for getting your foot in the door, some men can't even step onto the driveway. That pretty much sums up my point. Looks matter. Which again, nobody is disputing. Me and OP talking about the benefit of looks is transcribed here. Why are you trying to manufacture conflict? A guy that is socially awkward but attractive can be seen as shy and quirky and still get laid (you must be an outlier). As a fitness model who worked with other fitness models this is not true at all. The other guy…
/r/seduction19/05/26 07:41 PM
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So are you a looksmaxxer or a blackpiller? I'm a former fitness model who had to work on game for 2 years consistently before I lost my virginity in my mid 20s. The first sign that you were biased is that your whole comment is based on the idea that OP said looks don't matter, which he never said. "Women absolutely care about looks" was literally your second sentence as if anyone said otherwise. As someone who is considered good looking, looks absolutely do matter. They get you tons of matches o…
/r/seduction19/05/26 07:26 PM
1

Hum, Croatia. I could hardly find anyone there my age.
/r/seduction19/05/26 06:40 AM
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Really? NYC is one of my favorite cities to visit because it's been so easy for me to pull there. In my experience, a lot of women there are much more open to casual situations and escalating quickly too.
/r/seduction19/05/26 06:36 AM
1

The only thing I would dispute outright is "no physical compliments." Push-pull and making yourself rare work great when used appropriately.
/r/seduction19/05/26 06:27 AM
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Exactly. I'm a former fitness model and I was a fitness model when I started in seduction because I was still a virgin even though I had a better physique than most guys. On occasion girls would come to me and initially start flirting with me but I always screwed it up once I started talking to them because I was really awkward even on a good day. It even took me 2 years in game before I lost my virginity and I was shredded the whole time. Just because girls approach you and even give you their …
/r/seduction18/05/26 05:56 PM
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Almost no woman I’ve approached has told me no to that outright. Exactly. If you have decent confidence you can even just go up to a woman, tell her she's cute and directly ask for it and its very likely she'll give it to you. Really doesn't mean much. But you can choose to deliberately stay in longer and establish more emotional and sexual chemistry so that she actually does respond when you hit her up. That's really what most of the seduction advice is for. If the goal was just numbers, people…
/r/seduction16/05/26 07:28 AM
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You know a backflip is quick and easy for a gymnast. I wonder why.... 🤔 Oh that's right! Because he actually put in the work to develop skills like that. So many people here expecting to get some magic spells that will work instantly. I'm sure a lot of the replies here are quite valid but the reality is you'll probably not pull them off the first time you try, because there's a learning curve to these things. Ultimately the advice is: Get good at seduction.
/r/seduction16/05/26 06:09 AM
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Hopefully you are genuinely interested in this conversation instead of just wanting to argue. Your statement about "everything right" depends on how "right" is defined. If its based on what guys popularly think is right then maybe yeah, you should only expect a 5% retention rate. The popular sentiment among men on how to seduce women in 2026 is essentially based on these looksmaxxing streamers who don't know what they're doing. Now if we define "right" as the actual correct moves to achieve the …
/r/seduction13/05/26 07:57 AM
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Well I've seen what I'm saying for a decade, over thousands of seductions. Pay closer attention, get more experience, and stop being dogmatic ("all women are sensitive to perceived rejection"). You're probably misattributing your rejections.
/r/seduction12/05/26 07:10 PM
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That's not true at all. Women who feel uncertainty usually stay hooked longer and more intensely than the ones who are sure you're into them. Its the same reason unpredictable movies are more interesting than ones where you see what's coming from miles away.
/r/seduction12/05/26 06:44 PM
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Absolutely. And as someone with 10 years of cold approach experience, I can say that even when a girl is all over you during the initial conversation, if there's no real substance to it beyond just joking and flirty remarks, she'll still not respond when you hit her up in most cases. I think one of the problems of this sub is people wanting to find a cheatcode more than ever. They don't want to gain experience approaching, but because of that, they don't actually understand what they're looking …
/r/seduction12/05/26 06:38 PM
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OP is an avid weight lifter and runner and he got an approach invitation from a woman who ended up giving him her number and yet she didn't respond when he hit her up. You guys remember this the next time someone wants to come here and claim that looks are so damn important. Also remember that getting numbers is easy. The hard part, as OP directly experienced, is getting someone to like you so much they respond when you hit them up. So stop overweighing the significance of someone getting a numb…
/r/seduction12/05/26 04:07 PM
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This. Motherfuckers acting like there's nothing similar between humans at all. Like does he think only one person lives on oxygen or something?
/r/seduction12/05/26 03:20 AM
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And the crazy thing is, its not an IQ issue. Its an their feelings issue.
/r/seduction12/05/26 03:19 AM
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Don’t only approach women you want to bang, approach as many different people as you can, And part of what I mean about being nitpicky is people often put that in a different category. I don't. People I don't wanna bang, girls who don't give me signs, girls who do give me signs all count as cold approach in my mind. These different labels are just unnecessary complexity. Its ok to just approach anyone while staying aware of invitations. No need to select for people you aren't attracted to and no…
/r/seduction08/05/26 07:32 PM
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My issue with this whole thing is just how nitpicky people are. I don't give a shit what name you give it or whether there's signs or not. If you have the intention to approach, approach. Approaching with an invitation or what you like to call "warm approach" isn't perfect either because sometimes a girl that would otherwise be interested won't see you. Or she'll give you a sign but you won't pick up on it. And if you're cold approaching to improve your flirting skills then you won't get very fa…
/r/seduction08/05/26 06:29 PM
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Endless stream of rejection. No ounce of positive reinforcement from any woman at all in that way. So you can't blame the place, because the place doesn't change anything. I’m very sure. The harsh truths need to be said out in public. I was questioning whether you were sure you had enough experience. These are not harsh truths, just opinions. Ok and? That doesn’t negate my conclusions. You certainly don’t have to like my conclusions but that doesn’t give you the right to say that mine don’t matt…
/r/seduction07/05/26 06:52 PM
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Except I indeed have cold and warmed approached in various places. Maybe not as wide as yours as far as cold approaching in different continents and countries. But it’s enough to come up with them. Yeah, and what happened? Did your results change with the place or did you get rejected everywhere? It’s also not my fault that I was born universally ugly and autistic. It’s not my fault that no woman wants to be with a universally ugly autistic guy. I was never going to succeed from the get go. See.…
/r/seduction07/05/26 06:32 PM
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Not really. My experiences of trying to cold approaches always ended in disaster and it wasn’t much better with warm approaches as well. That’s why I have my conclusion regarding it. You can't make that conclusion unless you've tried it in many varying places. I've cold approached all over the US, Europe, Asia, and a bit of the Middle East. It's an excuse. If you keep blaming other things instead of taking responsibility, you'll never succeed at cold approach, no matter where you live. It plays …
/r/seduction07/05/26 05:41 PM
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Read the Natural by Richard la Ruina, Tao of Badass by Joshua Pellicer, or Make Women Want You by Jason Capital. You only have to choose one and practice it's teachings for at least 3 months. Just go with what you vibe with more. Why 3 months? Because coach hopping is just like program hopping in the gym. It's like digging for oil, stopping halfway down and acting like there was nothing there. Don't try to mix teachings or make up your own stuff either. You're not competent enough to even hypoth…
/r/seduction07/05/26 05:32 PM
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I'm glad that you acknowledge that this is ultimately a fear response. But the whole "women in my area don't wanna be approached" is an excuse. Women all over the world respond negatively to a shitty approach and positively to a good one. And no, your looks aren't what separates a good approach from a bad one. Cowardly guys just like to think that. If you're autistic and have no hope of developing a good approach then ok, you're excused but let's stop pushing this excuse that cowards with no dis…
/r/seduction07/05/26 07:39 AM
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Its 95% of men being too chickenshit to do anything.
/r/seduction03/05/26 05:35 AM
1

Sure you did.
/r/seduction03/05/26 03:46 AM
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This isn't how it goes down in real life. You should go on some dates and find out. Try and do it like OP is describing too.
/r/seduction02/05/26 08:28 PM
1

Wow. 182 delusional middleschoolers and counting. OP makes 183 currently.
/r/seduction02/05/26 05:44 PM
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There's a part of you that should also be judging the girl and deliberating whether its actually a good idea to get involved or not. Your mind shouldn't just be set on trying to get the pull no matter what. Don't treat sex as the thing that would make all the BS worth it. Be greedy. Insist on getting enjoyment all around. Insist on only getting sex that isn't behind a wall of bullshit.
/r/seduction01/05/26 09:33 AM
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Yeah and you wouldn't wanna save it either. This is just a petty person, regardless of nationality or race.
/r/seduction01/05/26 09:29 AM
2

Then don't say this: I also feel like instead of finding what to say to women, learn to accept rejection
/r/seduction26/04/26 05:30 PM
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I also feel like instead of finding what to say to women, learn to accept rejection They're not mutually exclusive. You can do both. Only accepting rejection is a cop out to avoid actual effort. And less effort also makes rejection more bearable. Its like losing a game of basketball because you were walking the entire time and avoiding possession of the ball like the plague. Why would you care that you lost when you didn't even try? Also "theres no magic words" ≠ there's no good words. This all …
/r/seduction26/04/26 04:20 PM
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Once again this sub shows symptoms of being infected by very unscientific pessimists. Oh there was a study? Why don't you go ask a legitimate scientist how much the results of a single study is worth.
/r/seduction24/04/26 03:57 PM
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That's a great way to put it. Especially because I've seen this exact thing happen way too many times! Lol
/r/seduction24/04/26 09:48 AM
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People on this sub are making shit up about social circle game based purely on the name. Nobody who actually knows social circle game sees it as seducing girls in your existing social circle.
/r/seduction24/04/26 09:46 AM
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How can a cold approach even accuse you? Its not like there are cops walking around everywhere you go ready to grab you at any moment or that she'll know enough info about you to file a complaint.
/r/seduction24/04/26 05:56 AM
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Hahaha!
/r/seduction23/04/26 02:14 PM
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Exactly. Martial arts has proven this time and time again. Martial arts that never involve full resistance only produce delusional people. Doing moves that work really well without someone trying to take your head off doesn't translate to when someone is trying to do that. Likewise, withdrawing from society to do things that you only think will make you better with women won't translate well when you finally put yourself out there. Guys, do what stands up to pressure testing, not just what you t…
/r/seduction23/04/26 12:14 PM
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What's more aloof than not acknowledging her at all?
/r/seduction23/04/26 11:17 AM
1

Alright. How have you helped him? Just the texting?
/r/seduction23/04/26 03:29 AM
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I'm asking about the ones you've helped.
/r/seduction22/04/26 12:35 PM
2

How tall is the one that has the closest body count to yours?
/r/seduction22/04/26 12:27 PM
1

Poker is still poker but you make adjustments based on the hands you're dealt. Do you have experience helping out a guy with a totally different hand or just experience playing your own hand?
/r/seduction22/04/26 12:13 PM
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How will your experience be helpful to people who were dealt totally different cards?
/r/seduction22/04/26 12:09 PM
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You're right. I agree 100%. But good luck fighting the dogma that's in this sub OP. Too many minimally experienced people here thinking they already understand how dating works.
/r/seduction18/04/26 06:07 PM
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A lack of confidence is basically a bunch of fears, the way you overcome that is like with any other fear, you address them head on. Now, head on doesn't necessarily mean going all out and running into it full speed, just that you have to actually face it, not do something adjacent, like how a lot of guys in this sub avoid facing their physical insecurities by trying to avoid exposing themselves physically until they get to a certain level of fitness and "looksmaxxing" or how a lot of guys here …
/r/seduction14/04/26 07:08 PM
1

Isn't my comment criticizing people for downvoting a straight answer? What does your question have to do with that?
/r/seduction14/04/26 03:52 PM
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Why are you guys downvoting a straight answer? Lots of you are bitter you can't pull in Seoul?
/r/seduction13/04/26 08:21 AM
0

I don't see how that's relevant here.
/r/seduction11/04/26 09:46 PM
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Now you're just reaching to try to win this argument buddy. You assumed hunter was talking about switching from dating apps to meeting girls thru friends and when he corrected you, you switch the goalpost to talk about not having time to do both. Like swiping on an app and texting at your leisure is so time consuming. Do you not have time for your existing friends too now that you're on dating apps? Learning fundamentals comes first. And how does this even negate what hunter's saying? Like I sai…
/r/seduction11/04/26 09:40 PM
0

It's not the responsibility of the OP to deliver a clear message?
/r/seduction11/04/26 09:50 AM
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You're only assuming that psychology is applied by making up a bunch of tricks. You think therapists are just tricking you? They're certainly using a lot of psychology in their sessions, not just from what they recommend and call attention to, but also from the way they're interacting with you, the stuff they don't bring attention to or explain. This doesn’t address what I said. Don’t you think there’s something already very wrong if getting laid has to be broken down to a science and a bunch of…
/r/seduction11/04/26 05:53 AM
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Try to phrase yourself properly. You actively learned seduction. You should know a thing or two about delivering a clear message instead of just hoping people will be optimistic for you.
/r/seduction10/04/26 06:34 PM
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I don't need to re-read it to know you actively told people here not read books and whatnot because you'll recap stuff yourself. Hence, you want them to get the info from you, not other people who wrote those books you're telling everyone to avoid.
/r/seduction10/04/26 06:22 PM
2

So you don't want us to rely on any other resource besides you? You can only recap stuff because you yourself consumed a bunch of resources. Why are you trying to hinder others from gaining the same knowledge?
/r/seduction10/04/26 04:34 PM
0

You're still forming your perception based on 20 year old material. Game is really just higher level communication. There's our rudimentary communication we had from the toddler level to elementary school, then we became more articulate starting in middle school and peaking at the highest level of education we attain, and the level beyond that is Game. And Game doesn't come solely from PUAs. They're just the ones who made the most of psychology for dating. The real problem, the reason why you an…
/r/seduction10/04/26 03:04 PM
2

Andy Yosha, Yad, Sasha Daygame, Johnny Cassel, James Marshall, etc.
/r/seduction10/04/26 09:45 AM
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Dig deeper into seduction advice before you make claims like this. This sounds like all you've ever done is skim 20 year old material and watch a handful of tiktoks of newer stuff from guys you aren't even sure are dating coaches. Every dating coach with PUA roots that's actually good has already been saying what you're saying since 2010 but with more nuance and a much deeper understanding of dating. The fact that you're scratching the surface on this topic while thinking this hasn't been discus…
/r/seduction10/04/26 09:30 AM
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Stop talking out of your ass. For daygame especially, a lot of the practices we have today are influenced by Europe based seducers. You're just another guy struggling with approach anxiety and using culture as an excuse. You should be careful where you get your advice from, because "Is it pink?" is a bad opener to use everywhere. And odds are, you aren't even getting that advice from a proper coach. Just some dude doing staged approaches for clout.
/r/seduction10/04/26 02:39 AM
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Not as common, because guys aren't as tolerant of ugly as women are, yet this sub insists that women care more about looks. 🤣
/r/seduction08/04/26 04:57 AM
1

You don't think friends travel to Asia together?
/r/seduction30/03/26 10:59 AM
2

Its funny how you kept trying to get me to explain what they mean when they say you're too short, saying you're "honestly lost" only to spin my response as if I'm hung up on height when I finally give you a direct answer. So maybe I shouldn't be giving you direct answers and instead tell you that when you improve your social skills, you will understand all of this, because that's also very much true.
/r/seduction30/03/26 09:03 AM
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It means your height isn't enough to compensate for everything else you lack in her eyes. She wouldn't say that to Tom Holland (5'7") or Zac Efron (5'8"). "Oh but they're celebrities." Cool. Zendaya is a celebrity too but she married Tom Holland who is shorter than her. If you're gonna take the steps to get more socially intelligent then this will make more sense in time.
/r/seduction30/03/26 08:13 AM
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What is there to buy or interpret? If a woman says you're too short, there's not much more to dissect from that. It's pretty straightforward. For the people who expect humans to interact like AI's, sure. Fair point you dont know me personally, I'm asking, I general, what steps one should take to be more socially congruent? Socially intept is vauge I legitimately don't even know where to start. Socialize more and educate yourself. The second part shouldn't be confusing given what sub you're on. R…
/r/seduction30/03/26 07:43 AM
3

There's the excuse. You probably have something for every race.
/r/seduction30/03/26 07:30 AM
1

Asian. 5'9"
/r/seduction30/03/26 07:27 AM
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Socially inept in what way, specifically? You're asking someone who has never seen you to pinpoint your issue? And it's not internet echochambers, real women in real life have said to me that I'm too short. Yes and the echochambers tell you how to interpret that and you buy it because of your lack of social intelligence.
/r/seduction30/03/26 07:26 AM
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If a woman doesn't look you in the eye, it's not because you're under 6 feet, it's because you're socially inept. Spend more time socializing and less time getting indoctrinated by internet echochambers filled with people on the spectrum.
/r/seduction30/03/26 07:13 AM
1

Why would someone be looking for that when they're only a tourist? Even if you met someone in a "healthier" way, turning the relationship into long distance will make it unhealthy anyway.
/r/seduction24/03/26 03:08 AM
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Read a book or consume a dating coach's advice all the way through and don't just skim/half listen to get the gist, pay close attention to get the nuance. If you just learn snippets, things will inevitably backfire for you, because only the most outlandish stuff gets the most attention on the internet where everything is competing for attention. If your Game backfired and set off alarm bells in women's heads then your Game isn't good enough yet and it's most likely incomplete. Trying to learn ga…
/r/seduction23/03/26 07:27 AM
1

So your unique situation makes it difficult to meet girls your age and you're acting like this is how it is for most guys?
/r/seduction21/03/26 04:12 PM
1

Oh I don't know.......what about going to bars that people your age go to?
/r/seduction21/03/26 03:03 PM
1

Excuses. Estrogen based behavior.
/r/seduction21/03/26 01:03 PM
1

Sure. Stockholm.
/r/seduction21/03/26 12:55 PM
2

I became that guy 8 years ago. Stop talking out of your ass.
/r/seduction21/03/26 12:42 PM
1

I'm not the one who is asking for help here. If you don't answer me first, we're done.
/r/seduction21/03/26 11:07 AM
1

Answer my question or don't expect help from me.
/r/seduction21/03/26 11:04 AM
2

Well tough shit. I didn't ask to talk to you, the comment you initially replied to wasn't directed at you, so if you're not willing to talk for the person my initial comment was actually directed towards then you're just wasting bandwidth.
/r/seduction21/03/26 10:10 AM
1

If you can't answer that question yourself and you think you're more social than most of the guys here then you must think most of the guys here haven't seen the sun in months and you top them only because you saw the sun last week.
/r/seduction21/03/26 10:08 AM
1

Before you accuse anyone of scamming you, how are you field testing these products?
/r/seduction21/03/26 10:01 AM
2

Nah, you butted into my conversation. You're the one who's trying to talk to me. I didn't seek you out, I didn't even know you existed. You wanna be part of this so much, then go ahead, show me proof that you can't do anything unless she's already attracted.
/r/seduction21/03/26 04:10 AM
1

I know there are a lot of people like you but how about you represent and show all of us that you guys aren't just spouting pseudoscience and link some actual studies backing up your claims?
/r/seduction21/03/26 03:51 AM
1

You're still bending over backwards to avoid the question. I asked first. Like I said in the first comment on this thread. I'll happily drop all the links after you drop yours.
/r/seduction21/03/26 02:02 AM
1

I see. Yeah, if you talk like an old school PUA you'll generally get hated on here nowadays but there a lot of other field reports that basically read like stories. Those get better responses from this sub.
/r/seduction20/03/26 02:59 PM
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Yes, they do. Look up some from this week. Also, post engagement is not important in this situation. OP proving his commitment to actually do something is what's important. If he gets hate and continues anyway, that will indicate even more commitment to improve.
/r/seduction20/03/26 02:50 PM
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Boohoo. You say you want to be that guy but people like you who throw pity parties for themselves are usually all talk and no action. People like you constantly talk about what they want but never do what it takes to get it. And the worst part is, you use your crappy history as an excuse to avoid putting in the work when it should be the main motivator. So show us that you're different. Show us that you actually want to be the guy that gets all the girls. Approach 30 girls this month and post fi…
/r/seduction20/03/26 02:41 PM
2

So you're deliberately focusing on a 20 year old, obsolete method of Game, that has been improved upon many times over, to create the illusion that you have a point and distract from the fact that guys like you have yet to provide any evidence for your claims? That is so much effort just to avoid a question.
/r/seduction20/03/26 02:35 PM
1

I've been doing seduction for 10 years. Quit talking out of your ass. And you're still not providing any links to back up your claims. The pseudoscience continues.
/r/seduction20/03/26 12:52 PM
1

but still you won't get better at cooking by ONLY going to the finest markets. That's an excellent analogy man.
/r/seduction20/03/26 12:49 PM
4

WHEN you find the right girls Actually this is the ultimate cope. Seriously, everyone wants to claim that she has to be attracted to you from the beginning otherwise you can't do anything but never once provided any actual evidence for it. I know there are a lot of people like you but how about you represent and show all of us that you guys aren't just spouting pseudoscience and link some actual studies backing up your claims? Contrary to what you think, Game actually is backed by science. I can…
/r/seduction20/03/26 12:33 PM
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Exactly. The problem with this subreddit is that guys that suck with girls upvote posts that make them feel good about sucking with girls and hate on the posts that tell them to do the one thing they're terrified of doing. "Oh, you want me to train hard in the gym and grind at work everyday? No problem. As long as it gives me an excuse to not talk to girls." None of them will actually say that but that's essentially what they're doing. It's the equivalent of a writer organizing his work space to…
/r/seduction20/03/26 12:25 PM
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Yeah. I've had a similar experience. Since I've been training and dieting since high school, I know I can always get back into shape, so when I stopped fitness modeling, I consciously chose to let myself go and had a belly for a few months, and that made no difference in my results at all.
/r/seduction20/03/26 05:36 AM
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Exactly. Guys need to outgrow their giddyness about getting any positive attention from women because of their physique and look at the cold hard reality of their actual results.
/r/seduction20/03/26 05:06 AM
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My comment doesn't disagree with that at all. Like I said, I got women checking me out and got numbers left and right as well as women occasionally approaching me. That glow up helps. It just doesn't help you to the point that you'll be pulling consistently. Doesn't even help you get dates consistently.
/r/seduction20/03/26 04:55 AM
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Theres a level of muscularity where you'll be at your most attractive. The example most people go to is Brad Pitt in Fight Club. Getting bigger than that brings you to the point of diminishing returns and you'll start to see attention shift from women to men. But regardless, even at the most attractive level of muscularity, it's hardly a game changer. I used to be a fitness model until only a few years ago and yes I would have women check me out from time to time and get approached occasionally,…
/r/seduction20/03/26 03:17 AM
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I'm sure you would like to believe that. So how did you chicken out exactly? Paid for a month but only approached for a day? Lol
/r/seduction19/03/26 01:45 PM
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The confirmation bias sure is undefeated. I do marketing for coaches and have studied under them 10 years ago. You sound like the students they tell me about, the ones who always have an excuse to not do what they instruct.
/r/seduction19/03/26 01:33 PM
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Can a woman's preferences not create circumstances? You know, like walking away.
/r/seduction19/03/26 01:30 PM
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Being able to build attraction and succeeding at doing so before circumstances get in the way are two very different things. Just like you can technically always throw a ball through a basketball hoop, but won't always succeed at doing so.
/r/seduction19/03/26 01:14 PM
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Game doesn't need to be exceptionally good to build attraction. "She makes her decision within [whatever] seconds of meeting you" is a myth. I can't believe we're even at the point of having to provide psychological studies to dispute that claim. If you ask your parents its very likely that they or people they know, knew each other for years before getting intimate. That kinda thing also happens a lot today, it's just often not talked about around internet dating discussions because that messes …
/r/seduction19/03/26 12:49 PM
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Is that why you think your only other option is talking to girls who are already attracted to you? Because the extent of your understanding of seduction is only push-pull?
/r/seduction19/03/26 09:03 AM
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"She's not attracted", "you can't do anything if she isn't attracted" or any other version of that is just a cop out. You don't talk to someone unless you wanna fuck them?
/r/seduction19/03/26 09:01 AM
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At this point guys like you will say "sHe'S nOt AtTrAcTeD" if she doesn't do the entire seduction for you from start to finish.
/r/seduction18/03/26 01:15 AM
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Only if for some weird reason you have to choose between the two. Doing both trumps either option on its own. Do both.
/r/seduction17/03/26 06:44 AM
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The idea that she makes her decision as soon as she sees you is the biggest myth that's holding this community back. Oh they may claim it's "science" but even actual science doesn't back up that claim.
/r/seduction17/03/26 06:33 AM
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Alright then just do what I said above.
/r/seduction14/03/26 05:21 PM
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To that I say this.
/r/seduction14/03/26 03:01 PM
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If you look at it in a different way, imagine how her exes and other rich guys who are interested in her feel thinking about how they can give her so much more yet she still prefers you. Its kinda like the feeling you get watching an uglier guy get girls left and right while you're over here struggling.
/r/seduction14/03/26 08:03 AM
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If you're only now worrying about improving your seduction skills when you have a vacation coming up then you're already too late. You won't suddenly become Hank Moody in a couple of weeks. Just go on your vacation and try to enjoy everything else and then come home, learn seduction, actually consume resources all the way through instead of just skimming a few pages or letting a handful of videos play in the background and at the same time go out a lot and practice the stuff you're learning in p…
/r/seduction14/03/26 07:23 AM
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She went back to your place and made out with you. Its got nothing to do with looks. I swear, if guys like you stopped using looks as a cop out, you would be a lot more successful than you are now. You just didn't know what you were doing man. The fact that you ended the night playing Playstation instead of in bed with each other is a clear indication of that. You could have escalated? You should have escalated...all the way to sex. Seriously, where are you guys getting the idea that you shouldn…
/r/seduction14/03/26 07:01 AM
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You do know direct game exists, right? I think you're confusing putting women on a pedestal with just expressing your attraction for a woman. No dating coach worth their salt tells you or implies you can't express attraction. They literally tell you to do so at the very beginning if you're taking a direct approach. Dating coaches may say expressing attraction in a certain situation may not work out in your favor and that's likely correct, but they never tell you to never express your attraction …
/r/seduction13/03/26 10:04 PM
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You should spend more time judging the content for the content instead of for who or what wrote it. Value is value. You don't have to respect or even like the one providing the value to benefit from it.
/r/seduction13/03/26 08:53 PM
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Its funny how guys want dating advice that helps them understand things better until they get it. When I got to this post it was sitting at zero upvotes with a comment just saying "tldr." If you're someone who dismisses dating advice just because its long then you don't really want to improve your dating life, what you want is a magic pill that doesn't exist.
/r/seduction13/03/26 06:28 AM
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It absolutely changed. People insisted on trying to oversimplify everything while shitting on everything that came before and now you have a younger generation rediscovering the old stuff thinking they're coming up with unique ideas and wondering why it's not being talked about more. Ironically, this change benefit's older guys who already learned the older stuff because it isn't as hard to compete with younger guys now, and it sabotages the people who are just getting into this because learning…
/r/seduction12/03/26 09:07 AM
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Guys here shouldn't think to do that. Their creativity is better used on other things. My point with the question is, getting numbers like that is only good for a tiktok. As someone with a decade of experience with this, its actually really easy to get girls' numbers. You only need about 1% of the things you can learn from seduction to be able to get numbers. All the rest that you learn is for getting numbers from girls who will actually come out to see you again and for capitalizing on that. I …
/r/seduction11/03/26 12:19 PM
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Did you sleep with any of those girls?
/r/seduction11/03/26 04:08 AM
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Hygiene is the bare minimum. Its a given that you should sort that out. But that alone won't make a noticeable difference in your dating life. You also need the more important stuff of learning how to flirt, getting girls comfortable with you, the appropriate times to touch them, learning how to read social cues, learning how to playfully challenge them and get the happily doing stuff for you, etc. Also, who uses pickup lines in 2026? Pretty sure the majority of guys here already forgot about th…
/r/seduction11/03/26 03:19 AM
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To work on your game? No. Develop those things at the same time as you develop your game. Those things are not prerequisites. Having girls want to date you is not a prerequisite to work on your game either. The only prerequisite to work on your game is if you can have conversations with people. And I mean that literally. Not just flirty conversations. Conversations in general. Even if they're very platonic, because you can always work up from there. Will you get laid within a month of working up…
/r/seduction11/03/26 03:05 AM
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No purpose ≠ no goals. I can have the goal of making 500k/year and still not have found my purpose. You're also creating a false dichotomy. Rock bottom and man with purpose aren't the only 2 options. There are men who are way above rock bottom, who are very competent and capable, who have great social lives, but have yet to find their purpose.
/r/seduction11/03/26 02:56 AM
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"Purpose driven" guys will probably say "having nothing better in your life than women." But that operates on a fallacy. And I believe that's just wrong regardless.
/r/seduction10/03/26 12:42 PM
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So a purposeful guy is only more appealing than an absolute loser?
/r/seduction10/03/26 12:13 PM
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Way to avoid every point there buddy. Its almost like the axis of your emotional state is how you're perceived on this subreddit.
/r/seduction10/03/26 05:52 AM
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You’re treating non-neediness as something that comes from being good with women. But that still centers your psychology around women. In that model, your confidence depends on continued success with them. You think Michael Jordan has lost confidence because he no longer continues to win championship rings? You make women the axis of your emotional state. It just means your center of gravity isn’t romantic validation. In order for you to say these things, you have to believe dating is everything…
/r/seduction10/03/26 05:37 AM
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Read back what I wrote. I never tied purpose to anything. You're the one who tried to tell people to use focusing on their purpose as some sort of way to have better relationships.
/r/seduction10/03/26 04:46 AM
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"Putting your purpose first" is just another way to trick yourself into not being needy. It's like putting a band aid on an infected wound, it doesn't fix the root of the issue. If you instead actually got good at seducing women and raised your standards for a woman's character by about 5 times (peace, respect, and loyalty is just the bare minimum) then your relationships will be easy, regardless of how much you contribute to them. Yes, give importance to whatever big goals you have but don't us…
/r/seduction10/03/26 03:12 AM
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What part of what I said tells you to depend on the girls?
/r/seduction08/03/26 08:55 AM
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That just means interest is there but you're not yet that efficient at capitalizing on it.
/r/seduction08/03/26 08:18 AM
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Even though I explored the topic further, I didn't find any of her words truly valuable or impactful. She continued to exhibit feminine behaviors, continued to think like a woman; it was clear that her decision to identify as a man wasn't because she truly felt like one. I'm telling you this so you don't panic if a woman turns out to be "lesbian" or identifies as a "gay man" This anecdote is a reason why you should trust indicators of interest, because IOIs are not part of what she says, they're…
/r/seduction08/03/26 07:56 AM
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Heck, I've never had a guy wing me better than my closest female friends. They will actively wing you, you just gotta actually be friends.
/r/seduction07/03/26 05:17 AM
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Yeah, that's true but I believe my correction was important because its very misleading to basically claim you can't have abundance without making game your life. The majority of this subreddit is clueless, so you don't want to lead them down a wrong path like that.
/r/seduction06/03/26 07:15 PM
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I think you missed OP's point. He's not setting up options with girls he's only clearly hitting on and they're only there to either fuck him or reject him. The dynamic he's talking about is more ambiguous, he's just being more social and hanging out with women. I doubt he's even talking about cold approach in his post at all. And if you think you can’t have a job and hobbies and still have women in your social life then you need to improve your social skills. I have female friends I haven't talk…
/r/seduction06/03/26 07:17 AM
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It's proportions man. He has a lanky build. That creates the illusion of height.
/r/seduction04/03/26 08:26 PM
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That's naive. You think women can go months without any intimacy but in reality, they're just quietly seeing other guys. Also, that's why I wanted to make up a term for it, so it trends and reaches a lot of men, because of course nothing will change if only one man does it. Will you be able to affect every single man? Of course not. Nothing will. Looksmaxxing hasn't even come close (thankfully). But if Aloofmaxxing gains enough traction, it can make a difference. That said, that was a very light…
/r/seduction03/03/26 04:35 PM
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Yeah. Instead of "looksmaxxing" we should turn "Aloofmaxxing" into a trend. That would have a much more positive impact on men.
/r/seduction03/03/26 03:01 AM
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Approaching and theory go hand in hand. You won't magically get better if you only approach consistently for years but have a poor conscious understanding of human interaction. Someone who approaches regularly and also regularly educates themselves will go farther, much faster than someone who is only blindly approaching. So this trolling BS should absolutely stop and we should be taking it more seriously when someone is trying to get a better understanding of things.
/r/seduction03/03/26 02:51 AM
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It is. If you could somehow brainwash all men to stop initiating things with all women then you would get women approaching guys all over the world in under a week.
/r/seduction03/03/26 02:37 AM
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It's atrocious that I had to scroll down to the 4th comment to see a serious answer. No wonder so many guys on this sub don't get very far, when they try to advance their understanding of things, they get trolled.
/r/seduction02/03/26 05:25 PM
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This is why guys struggle with women. Just way too logical. Seriously, even if you just paid attention to how your mom is with her friends you would hear these types of nonsensical justifications for things. You're not actually trying to give her a reason that stands up to scrutiny, you're not actually misleading her either. She knows whats up, she just wants to play dumb about it too. This attitude is one of the examples of guys being practically smart at the expense of being emotionally dumb.
/r/seduction21/02/26 02:45 PM
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Yes but it's never been an issue when I use actual Game rather than just relying on "automatic attraction." I'm an Asian living in America and I've slept with more white girls than Asian ones because I've been learning game since 2013 and have actually been learning it instead of this new stuff that's basically just glorified getting lucky with a side of excuses. I know what "automatic attraction" feels like too, because even though my ethnicity is Asian, my citizenship being American is still v…
/r/seduction19/02/26 05:21 PM
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If there was no escalation then it wasn't a successful date.
/r/seduction17/02/26 08:00 AM
1

You kidding? You guys have people like Eddie Hall who go absolutely wild. Lol
/r/seduction14/02/26 08:21 AM
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Well the reality isn't that bad. You're basically bothered by it just on the off chance that you stumble upon the rare girl that gets particularly disturbed by it. You don't see anyone freak out in prank videos when they point out the camera in the end. I've also experienced it with actual infield filming. Most girls assume it's for content on youtube, because cold approach isn't that common. When I'm approaching and NOT filming I get asked semi-regularly if I'm doing it on a dare or if I am fil…
/r/seduction13/02/26 07:22 PM
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The problem with just reflecting is that you're really bad at estimating what you're actually doing. Not you specifically. I mean every person is really bad at knowing what they're actually doing just by feeling it out. That's why on the higher levels of other skills like dance and sports, people review film of themselves. The safer alternative is having someone more experienced just observing you, just like you would get in other skills, but this community isn't what it used to be. Hardly anyon…
/r/seduction13/02/26 07:12 PM
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Elaborate on how you let the opportunities come to you.
/r/seduction13/02/26 04:37 PM
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There is a massive difference between sneakily filming random women while they're out and about doing their thing, and filming yourself talking to people. And legally speaking, you can film yourself in a public area even when other people happen to be captured on video too and you don't need consent unless you're gonna use the video for monetary gain.
/r/seduction13/02/26 04:24 PM
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Do it with wingmen. When we record it always involves 3 guys. One of us records, the other pretends to be talking to the camera or doing a tiktok or whatever but in reality, the one with the camera is shooting over the second guy's shoulder so he can film the 3rd guy that's doing the approach.
/r/seduction13/02/26 04:15 PM
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I've been cold approaching for 10 years. Signs are a bonus, not a requirement. I've been with many girls who I approached without seeing any signs.
/r/seduction12/02/26 01:21 PM
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By not being infected by the stupid blackpill shit they see on the internet.
/r/seduction11/02/26 02:31 PM
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Of course you do, because you're punching down on some busted chick.
/r/seduction11/02/26 08:08 AM
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Right, because there's nothing in between texting her all day, everyday and texting exclusively for logistics. /s
/r/seduction11/02/26 01:27 AM
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Its ironic that in a sub that puts more thought into dating, the IQ of most members is pretty low. The people acting like you're proposing to blow up women's phones are thinking in black and white. They think the only alternative to purely logistical texting is the opposite extreme. They lack nuance in their thought process.
/r/seduction10/02/26 10:05 PM
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Let’s face it. Do you really think the average Sedditor has a good sense of balance and not overdoing it? So your solution is to just not try to fix that at all? Purely logistical texting doesn't address that issue. It's just a way to avoid it. And understanding how to balance interest and disinterest, availability and scarcity, is one of the things that separates guys who only get lucky and guys who actually know how to seduce.
/r/seduction10/02/26 09:44 PM
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Except texting beyond just making plans doesn't always mean over communicating. What, if you text her conversationally a little does that mean you now have no choice but to keep texting her for the whole day and to keep texting her like that daily?
/r/seduction10/02/26 09:34 PM
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I think the people who recommend only texting for plans are thinking in black and white. They think the only alternative to purely logistical texting is spending hours texting every day, just the completely opposite extreme, as if you can't find a middle ground between texting too much and texting too little. It's ironic that in a community that puts more thought into how you interact with women, there's a big chunk of people who hardly use their brains.
/r/seduction10/02/26 09:31 PM
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As her dream guy? So people who only use texting to make plans are just punching below their weight then. I've had a great sex life for 10 years texting conversationally. Conversational texting is not the problem, its the fact that you don't know how to use it to flirt that is.
/r/seduction10/02/26 09:22 PM
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Oh I see. My bad.
/r/seduction08/02/26 03:58 AM
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Does the after party ploy really work? As long as it's not the only thing you're doing. the whole time he's talking it really seems like he's saying nothing. This is why certain guys struggle with women. They're constantly looking to be rational and substantial, women don't mind having conversations that are more relational and emotional or in other words just "vibing." You should spend some time with actual women, not even in a dating sense, just to hear how they talk to each other when they're…
/r/seduction07/02/26 12:31 AM
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Ah another blackpiller pushing his agenda disguised as a question.
/r/seduction06/02/26 02:58 PM
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OP is asking for the wildest stuff and some dude with only tame experiences shares said tame experiences. Sensational.
/r/seduction06/02/26 02:02 PM
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Its not. Is there anything wrong with working out to not be tired during sex? Would you rather I have more vain reasons for doing it?
/r/seduction06/02/26 02:00 AM
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Because it makes them feel good. Like it boost their own mood. Why does it boost their mood though? the right way to do it is feel good first that is why u dress like that. But why dress like that if you're already feeling good?
/r/seduction05/02/26 03:03 PM
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Brother, you got it backwards. They say you're cute because they're attracted to you, not the other way around. I'm in my 30s now but when I first met my college girlfriend she wouldn't even give me her full name to search for her on social media but then a few weeks later she's telling me that even the way I drink water turns her on. It's kinda like beer goggles. Your absolute looks don't matter. If she doesn't like you, you're "meh", if she does, you're gorgeous.
/r/seduction05/02/26 03:01 PM
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It's clear but it's also not anything I asked for or implied anything about. I'm asking why would someone dress in a way that shows off their physique if they're only getting in shape for themselves. Now I know you're not the one I asked so I don't expect you to answer that question, but I'm just confused as to why you felt the need to say all these things you're saying to me.
/r/seduction05/02/26 02:50 PM
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Ok and how exactly is this answering my question?
/r/seduction05/02/26 02:30 PM
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Just because something matters doesn't mean it's the most important thing. Also, looks are not as significant as you think. Looking at social media doesn't count as research. Your perception is being skewed.
/r/seduction05/02/26 02:28 PM
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True. As far as dating goes, I only work out so I don't get tired during sex and I eat healthy so I can stay hard. Outside dating I mostly try to be in good shape so people take my advice on how to work out. Lol
/r/seduction05/02/26 02:13 PM
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Then why wear clothes to show off your physique in public?
/r/seduction05/02/26 02:07 PM
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Yes you do improve your odds that way. You're still confused. You're confusing the destination with the journey to get there. This is like saying if you look awkward and make big mistakes as a beginner in dance, a sport, or any skillful pursuit, you will always look awkward and make those big mistakes. This is similar to developing fine motor control as you age. Infants don't have pinpoint accuracy when they're reaching for things initially, they always overshoot and make unnecessary movements. …
/r/seduction05/02/26 03:00 AM
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Alright. I'll just put my reply here since I can't do so at that comment: Both claims require the same impossible level of proof. So we have to come back to observable reality instead of hypotheticals. Fair enough. This happens too often to be explained purely as execution mistakes. Why do you say this? What is the threshold? How was that threshold established? Remember, MJ's misses also vastly outnumber his baskets. You mention that people sometimes grow attracted over time. That’s true, but th…
/r/seduction30/01/26 03:19 PM
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Did you delete your comment that started out like this: I think this is where the standard of proof is becoming uneven. You’re saying I can’t claim she would never be attracted to him unless we test it across their entire lifetimes. That’s fair in theory. I replied to it earlier but my reply vanished and I can't reply to it again.
/r/seduction30/01/26 03:03 PM
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The constraints of Game are not people. They're outcomes. You can use Game to get the outcome of attraction, physical and emotional intimacy, and relationships but you can't use Game to win a presidential debate, you can't use Game to win court cases.
/r/seduction30/01/26 02:15 PM
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When MJ misses a shot, we can still clearly see that the basket is makeable. Other players make the same shot. The target is objectively reachable. But in attraction, there are cases where the “basket” was never there for that guy with that girl. She was never going to feel sexual attraction to him, no matter how well he spoke, calibrated, or adjusted. That’s what I’m pointing at. That's an assumption, which muddies your argument. How are you able to ascertain that she would never be interested …
/r/seduction30/01/26 02:08 PM
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If the world operated in black and white what you're saying would be true. The logic I'm getting from you is "If Game isn't perfect then Game will fail." And that's wrong. There's not only 2 states that exist. Its not just perfection and failure. There is so much in between. Just look at school grading systems. It's not just perfection and failing. There's tons of grades between an F and an A+. But the idea that game can reliably produce attraction in all cases is treating it as if it is perfect…
/r/seduction30/01/26 01:55 PM
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But that doesn’t explain why experienced coaches , who can read people and calibrate better than almost anyone , still get rejected repeatedly by single women who are clearly available and open to meeting someone. This is still assuming perfection. The fact that they make mistakes is not evidence that game doesn't work. In basketball even the GOATs of the game like Michael Jordan miss more baskets than they make. Does that mean MJ wasn't actually qualified for the NBA? You say nothing in life ha…
/r/seduction30/01/26 01:42 PM
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“Perfect game would guarantee attraction, but perfect game is impossible because every person and moment is different.” And that would be true if you're being literal in the main question of this post. Just like you can't find anything that has a 100% success rate in this world, you also can't find anything that is perfect in this world. Is the iPhone perfect? Is your house perfect? Does a perfect country exist? Does a perfect athlete exist? Everything you do and use and apply is imperfect. Why …
/r/seduction30/01/26 11:58 AM
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Because this assumes that attraction is mostly psychological and that physical/instinctive preference is secondary and can be overridden with the right inputs. Instincts are still psychological. But if that were the case, we wouldn’t see: Immediate rejections before any real interaction happens Women deciding within seconds they’re not interested Non-verbals are part of communication. And putting a woman in the position to decide whether they're interested or not very early on, when that's likel…
/r/seduction30/01/26 11:44 AM
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Yes, but perfect game is different from individual to individual, even day to day, even moment to moment. That's what people are missing when they criticize game, the idea that there is one universal perfect way to seduce is a false premise to begin with. If you manage to seduce someone perfectly for their particular mood in that moment and in each moment you're talking, their particular values and feelings and preferences on things, the logistical situation you're both in, etc then yes, it's gu…
/r/seduction30/01/26 08:59 AM
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I've been learning seduction since 2015 and I have to say, THIS is what this sub needs more of! Guys actually thinking, using their brains. Not the posts that oversimplify shit. Not the posts that copy others. Not the post that blindly stick with dogma and trash on dating apps or something. You actually came up with something pretty fresh and systematized it. The reason this works so well is because you’re framing it as low pressure you’re giving her an out which most guys won’t agree with but e…
/r/seduction30/01/26 07:28 AM
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You're describing cold approach as a performance skill like piano, where repetition trains the body and nervous system over time. But that’s not how most dating coaching is presented or sold. Unless you actually don't know much about dating coaches and seduction, you're not arguing for truth, you're just arguing to win. Anyone who is actually familiar with this stuff, which I'm guessing you actually are, knows that the way this is marketed is very different to the way this is taught in practice.…
/r/seduction29/01/26 07:47 PM
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I mean everything you said is true except you can do everything right and the girl still not be interested. That's exactly the mindset I'm pushing back against. You're still measuring success based on whether you get the girl or not. The screening shouldn't just end on whether she wants a relationship or not. I don't give a shit. Does she want a relationship with me or not? If you leave a situation with a girl not wanting a relationship with you after she already passed initial screening before …
/r/seduction29/01/26 07:27 PM
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This is exactly what I'm talking about when it comes to guys being confused. They think that remembering the lines is them executing the skill correctly or that they're actually executing them appropriately. I'm willing to bet that if Todd watched you do his stuff, he'll tell you you're doing it wrong a lot even when you think you're doing it right.
/r/seduction29/01/26 07:19 PM
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Except part of doing everything right is choosing the right girls for whatever you want. The guys who are focused on getting the girl no matter what aren't doing everything right, they just think they are. In order to grow in to a high quality man and have the dating life you want, you have to get to the point of self-esteem where you're being extremely picky, not just on a woman's looks but on what she's like as a person as well. Sex or a relationship regardless of the circumstances around it i…
/r/seduction29/01/26 07:15 PM
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Cold approach. That's the great equalizer. The only reason a lot of guys say it doesn't work that well either is because in 2026, the willingness to actually learn and practice things are at an all time low. For one, lots of guys just insist on going out and randomly doing stuff and then they have the audacity to complain afterwards that cold approach didn't work. Like motherfucker, nobody told you to just not learn anything and just approach based on feels. And for the guys that do learn things…
/r/seduction29/01/26 06:47 PM
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Why can't we tell you to go to a therapist? That's like saying, "I have a broken leg. Please don't tell me to go to a doctor."
/r/seduction29/01/26 05:07 PM
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And as I'm saying, you're coming from a place of being desperate to get laid. Look at you talking about how much easier it is. You still see not having sex with a girl as a failure regardless of the circumstances. I'm coming from a place where getting laid is already easy, because I already made all the rookie mistakes in 2015 and now I'm at the point where I only want to get laid on my terms and I'm also experienced enough to know that making it challenging, making it so they have to accomodate…
/r/seduction29/01/26 07:40 AM
2

A real man works really hard to entertain and make a girl he doesn't really know the center of his attention? A real man's attention has no value and should just be handed to a girl just because she's pretty? A real man doesn't worry about the impression she's making, doesn't even question whether it's right to proceed with her, he just fully worries about making the best impression he can because he already decided to he wants to sleep with her before he even asked her out? I've had girls jump …
/r/seduction29/01/26 07:24 AM
2

Brother, you won't be around your friends indefinitely. If you came with her, you can leave with her too, and that's when you can get physical.
/r/seduction29/01/26 03:28 AM
15

What did you expect to feel fucking around fresh off of a breakup?
/r/seduction28/01/26 05:38 PM
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No, you're just an introvert.
/r/seduction27/01/26 05:19 PM
2

Because humans are literally hardwired to form social connections. From the dawn of time we've had family units and tribes. Homosapiens made it through Hunter-gatherer times with numbers. We weren't stronger or faster or more athletic than most of the animals that threatened us or that we hunted to eat, so instead we beat them by outnumbering them. Look at how society naturally organizes itself even today. That's not pathological, that is what healthy looks like. Being a hermit is what unhealthy…
/r/seduction27/01/26 05:13 PM
2

Nah, I believe it's naive to think that you can solve loneliness with anything else other than company or at least the ability to acquire company. You don't always have to have other women you're intimate with but at least the feeling that intimacy is well within your reach. So it will actually help to start with many actual women in a rotation because just living that lifestyle will show you how much more attainable women are. And then even if you get into a relationship, you already have the l…
/r/seduction27/01/26 03:56 PM
6

Availability Heuristic - Your brain exaggerates the significance of something it can easily remember examples for. You got 30 examples of groupies so of course your brain is exaggerating it. The antidote? Running the numbers. 30 women in New York lining up to hopefully sleep with Drake. The population of New York city alone is roughly 8,478,000, divide that by 2 so we're only looking at the women and you got 4,239,000. And from that number there's about 700,000 - 750,000 women in the 18-30 age r…
/r/seduction27/01/26 05:10 AM
1

Prove it. You know where my evidence is. Where's yours?
/r/seduction26/01/26 12:47 PM
1

Why do you insist on demonstrating your ignorance of psychology? We get it, you're under-educated in this field. You don't know what the strongest evidence is because you're afraid to actually look into it.
/r/seduction26/01/26 12:45 PM
2

Now you're operating on fallacies? Scientific ≠ 100% Basically nothing on Earth has a 100% success rate. Are you gonna say jumpshots, field kicks, and curve balls done by professionals don't work because they don't have a 100% success rate? What about doors and locks? They don't have a 100% success rate either. Even the phone you're typing on isn't 100% guaranteed to be operating at the level the manufacturer claims it will for as long as they claim it will. I guess none of those things are scie…
/r/seduction26/01/26 10:15 AM
2

You said theres no such thing as fact in seduction, that goes way beyond just mass approaching. You also said the closest we can get is anecdotes, which has been proven false by psychology even before you were born. If you wanna be able to speak in absolutes then fact check the stuff said here for real, don't just check it against your feelings and call it a day.
/r/seduction26/01/26 07:21 AM
2

What, you've never heard of psychology? Or more likely, you've heard of it but aren't familiar enough with it to know what's actually been studied and verified already.
/r/seduction26/01/26 07:08 AM
1

If it's Todd V and coach Kyle then they're working in the right direction. The problem is they're still not doing it enough to make a difference. Like I said, 90% here painfully lack experience, because 90% of the people here approach only once a month at best. Doesn't matter who you learn from, if you're only talking to girls once a month nothing's gonna change.
/r/seduction26/01/26 04:47 AM
1

First of all, your odds of failing your first few attempts are extremely high no matter what books you've read. Just think about any other skill. Can you correctly execute anything better than Twinkle Twinkle Little Star in your very first attempt at piano just because you read the best piano book in the world? Seduction is a soft skill. You shouldn't expect to succeed the first time you try a technique, you should expect to fail, just like you would using any technique for the first time in mos…
/r/seduction25/01/26 06:37 PM
1

Have you tried telling a girl? I've told every girl I've had the opportunity to tell and explain in detail. What I've found is that people, men and women, are usually too proud to admit they were gamed and vehemently insist that they did what you wanted not because you gamed them but because they genuinely wanted to. It's pretty cool actually, because they end up being the person that defends you the most...against their own scrutiny.
/r/seduction25/01/26 06:13 PM
1

it’s a numbers game, you don’t need to learn anything, just be yourself, bro… be genuine, be natural" Oh I absolutely see massive problems with this. But I don't see any problems with 1000 approaches. That's only 2 or 3 a day for a year. The problem is when the volume is not backed up by actual understanding and practicing of anything specific. There's a huge difference between telling someone to spar 1000 times without teaching them how to punch, head movement, foot work, distance management, e…
/r/seduction24/01/26 07:35 PM
1

Why do you think that? A recipe for a dish is more complicated than what I wrote.
/r/seduction24/01/26 06:16 PM
13

Exactly. I've said it time and time again. The problem with this subreddit in 2026 is that 90% of the people here have painfully little experience. Most of you guys aren't doing shit. You just make up the majority, which is why you have so many people to back up your stupid ideas and trick you into thinking you're doing things right. The blind leading the blind. Either you get more experience or you take our word for it, even if it sounds crazy, because it really only sounds crazy to those with …
/r/seduction24/01/26 06:13 PM
1

I don't see how this contradicts what I wrote. Doesn't even seem related, because I never mentioned anything about my opinion on being funny or unfunny.
/r/seduction24/01/26 06:06 PM
4

Still not enough for people who aren't funny. I would break it down like this: Being funny is a combination of social intelligence, capturing and holding attention, and timing. Social intelligence because you need to get a sense of what is actually funny in general. You need to be in touch with current events enough to have a sense of humor. Have a general idea of comedians that kill, comedy movies that penetrate mainstream media well, memes that go viral, etc not to copy them but to get a feel …
/r/seduction24/01/26 04:43 PM
6

Yes. There's countless manuals on that. You're in this sub and you're not aware of that fact? Anyone who tells you not to bother on reading a book aren't thinking straight. There's literally more dating advice on this subreddit than there is in a book. If a book couldn't help you then all the advice here couldn't help you either. The only difference between a book and this subreddit is that a book is well organized and cohesive, the advice within in the book doesn't contradict each other and the…
/r/seduction24/01/26 04:39 AM
1

I'm just assuming based on the things I've seen first hand from other guys. If you don't do what I said above feel free to correct me on what you mean by not having time. it's not sustainable and there are quite a few things I could have done better with my time and gotten similar if not better social and career results I've been doing this since 2015 approaching around 5 girls a day when I worked my first job in an office and did fine with that. Now I have more time and more money because I run…
/r/seduction22/01/26 08:03 PM
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Why? Coz after work you gotta go home to cry for an hour then shower and then go out again to do errands or go to a gym that's 40 minutes away from your place but only 10 minutes from your office? I'm a grown ass man too and I don't go home until I'm completely done for the day. People burn time on a whole bunch of nothing.
/r/seduction22/01/26 07:42 PM
1

On campus or around campuses? Cmon man. Don't go to stereotypical places that theoretically are supposed to have lots of women. Go to wherever the women actually are in your city. Same is true for your hometown. Instead of thinking, "Oh what are the typical places that people are supposed to be around?" do some actual research and scope things out.
/r/seduction22/01/26 07:36 PM
3

Which is why I moved to the nearest city with multiple universities Alright. So why are you complaining about your hometown when you don't even live there anymore?
/r/seduction22/01/26 07:29 PM
1

Hence, why I said New York above. Now your town doesn't have bars and clubs?
/r/seduction22/01/26 07:25 PM
8

This is basically like telling a homeless person to just buy a house. The guys who end up looking to cold approach and seduction in general already tried and failed at copying the "normal" guys. They would have never even discovered seduction if they were already getting girlfriends in middle school and getting laid in high school. Just like these "normal" guys you're talking about. A lot of people that learn seduction don't do it because they just feel like doing it, but because it's their last…
/r/seduction22/01/26 05:43 PM
1

If you live in a place like New York there are tons of places where 20 girls will walk by you in the span of 30 seconds. Where do you live? In a ghost town? Or do you expect to just find hoards of girls directly outside your house? Go to where the crowds are.
/r/seduction22/01/26 05:03 PM
1

That's oversimplified and false. You're making the same mistake the main commenter is making. "Oh things have gone bad because we're at this one extreme? Let me swing the pendulum all the way to the opposite extreme." The right answer isn't in one of the extremes. Its in the middle. Like I said to the main comment, there's a goldilocks zone. Overcomplicating fucks guys up, oversimplifying fucks guys up too.
/r/seduction22/01/26 04:31 PM
8

You're talking about volume on the extreme upper end while guys neglect the quality of their interactions and you're talking about something that used to happen 10-15 years ago, not the situation this community is in right now. Of course, trying to increase your duration in set is important but currently, this community is on the extreme low end of volume, with most guys probably approaching only once a month or less. This is a skill. You still need some good volume regardless of your duration i…
/r/seduction22/01/26 01:36 AM
1

Have you tried boosting? That's also something OP did that worked really well for me 7 years ago.
/r/seduction20/01/26 07:03 PM
2

You're doing it wrong because the system absolutely matters. If it was just enough to hope for the best then no one would ask for any dating advice at all because the answer would always be the same: "Just go for it and hope for the best."
/r/seduction20/01/26 06:45 AM
3

You don't need to go to clubs to approach.
/r/seduction19/01/26 10:44 AM
4

This is just another form of putting women on a pedestal.
/r/seduction19/01/26 01:17 AM
7

Men see multiple women - "You're cheating!" Women see multiple men - "Yaas queen!"
/r/seduction18/01/26 01:53 PM
1

Really? Cause the cat girl is literally in the comment section trying to do damage control and claiming that Lyons was her bf. I should really look at the whole thing. Right now, I'm only getting a fragment of the picture. But right now, with your logic, nobody should take advice from anybody. Because you're using imperfection as evidence to say someone isn't worth taking advice from. So if someone manages to catch Zherka's imperfections on camera you would start saying no one should take advice…
/r/seduction18/01/26 06:42 AM
12

I'm glad to see that dating apps still work the same now as they did 7 years ago. Lol It's the shirtless photo man. Good stuff.
/r/seduction18/01/26 06:26 AM
1

I appreciate the timestamp and the full video but that's not his girl. His girl is the one on his right actively arguing against Zherka. That's the Russian he was in throuple with.
/r/seduction17/01/26 09:35 PM
1

Aaand the PUA Hate comes in. That was a podcast, not a debate. Adam was there to collaborate and provide value to the listeners, Zherka was there insecurely to try to prove he's better than everyone. I didn't watch the whole thing but I highly doubt you're accurately representing the hand holding thing. Got a clip?
/r/seduction17/01/26 09:13 PM
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Unfortunately this only sounds profound to you because of the decades of smear campaigns ran against PUAs. In reality, talking to everyone and becoming a more social person was a common sentiment in the Seduction community. So many people just want to bury all this beautiful knowledge for some reason and the irony is, people these days end up coming to the same conclusions anyway and thinking they're making breakthroughs. Lol Let's fix this community by reviving everything that came before and m…
/r/seduction17/01/26 07:45 PM
2

This is some PUA Hate shit. The same kind of people said Adam Lyons ended up with a single mom. When in reality he didn't end up with her. They got together, yes, then a few months later got a hot Russian and they were a throuple living together for almost 10 years having kids together with both women and sleeping with other women from time to time. When he broke up with the single mom, the Russian girl stuck around and he added in a few more regular "secondary girls." Now he's broken up with th…
/r/seduction17/01/26 07:26 PM
2

In my experience working with dating coaches on their businesses, most clients drain themselves dry by procrastinating for weeks at a time, stretching a month of work into something crazy like 3 months. The dating coaches I work with are all trying to be done with each client as soon as possible but a lot of the time it's like that meme about personal trainers having to stalk their clients who are always trying to sneak in some junk food and having to carry their assess to the gym everyday. If y…
/r/seduction16/01/26 07:10 PM
4

The irony of whoever this is talking about hiding when he's hiding his username in both his comments. 🤣
/r/seduction16/01/26 04:55 PM
20

This. Most guys make up BS that cold approach is forced or weird or wrong not because any of that is true, but because they suck at it. And you hit the nail right on the head on one of the reasons they suck at it: they're trying to hit a homerun in the very beginning. Its like trying to bench 225 for reps on your very first day in the gym. If people also deluded themselves into expecting that in their beginning then they would also be saying the gym is forced and weird and wrong the second they …
/r/seduction16/01/26 01:00 PM
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I have a friend who got 2 hot girls from the front desk at his work back to his place to smoke some weed and not a damn thing happened between them. The weed is just your crutch man. You can pull without it.
/r/seduction16/01/26 03:16 AM
2

Do you have a good track record seducing women in general? If not then it won't matter what advice you get here, odds are, you won't end up dating her. Besides, the advice is just to seduce her the same way you'd seduce someone your age. So if you're not good at seducing in general, well....
/r/seduction12/01/26 08:45 PM
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The problem with the "don't text back right away" advice is it's just a placeholder that people confuse for the main lesson. The main lesson is don't be desperate bitch and have a life. That is what you describe in this post OP. You try to text back quickly whenever you can but you're doing it for your own peace of mind, you aren't staring at your phone anxiously waiting on her replies, she's not on your mind from the time you wake up to the time you go to bed, and maybe you sometimes forget tha…
/r/seduction12/01/26 08:38 PM
12

You wouldn't be saying that if you were actually having sex too. Some people here are farther ahead than inexperienced guys like you and should also be giving advice to each other and even guys like you who are still working on getting there. The detail about having sex with his co-worker was absolutely necessary to put into context the story he's telling to illustrate his advice. Don't be mad just because you're struggling to get any while someone else is talking about his sexual experiences in…
/r/seduction08/01/26 04:17 PM
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Look at you guys rediscovering Game. If you keep thinking like this pretty soon you might get to the level of 2007 Game! In all seriousness, I do appreciate you thinking like this OP. It's just crazy that in 2026 this kind of thing isn't standard and the best practices for it aren't well known. And that has a lot to do with the fact that other people on this sub seem intent on destroying Game but then funnily enough, end up at the same conclusions as PUAs did 20 years ago...almost as if we shoul…
/r/seduction08/01/26 03:59 PM
0

Ah the typical strawman of game. If you think game it just push pull and disqualifying then you're just outing yourself even more as someone who was too chickenshit to learn this.
/r/seduction06/01/26 06:11 PM
1

How did you get those 12 wing girls?
/r/seduction06/01/26 05:59 PM
0

This is just you coping with the fact that you didn't have the balls to do what it takes to get good at game. How many times have you cold approached? Let me guess, 10 times in the past 10 years. 🤣
/r/seduction06/01/26 05:52 PM
0

Someone is deliberately confusing "looks isn't everything" with "looks don't matter." No dating coach says that looks don't factor into attraction at all, most coaches worth their salt acknowledge the power of looks but they just don't exaggerate it and pretend like there aren't other things that you have and can do that also create crazy levels of attraction.
/r/seduction06/01/26 05:29 PM
0

This is basically: "Don't listen to these other people giving you advice. Listen to me. My advice is right not because it stands up to real world testing by all kinds of people but because I'm a good person who doesn't charge for my advice." Here's a reminder to the people of this sub that the advice that you find the most helpful on posts or comments here comes from a dating coach at least half of the time. The guys that have the most karma from this sub are dating coaches. You guys don't actua…
/r/seduction03/01/26 07:08 PM
2

Dude, girls did that to my biceps when I had a muffin top. She's right.
/r/seduction03/01/26 12:56 PM
2

Feel free to keep replying if that's how you cope with being invisible to women.
/r/seduction28/12/25 04:01 PM
0

Sure you do sport.
/r/seduction28/12/25 03:52 PM
0

It means a person is not naive enough to think that women don't do that, unlike you.
/r/seduction28/12/25 03:41 PM
0

Lol. Tell me you're inexperienced without telling me you're inexperienced.
/r/seduction28/12/25 03:17 PM
1

You're doing the same thing OP is doing man. When you say "being beta is objectively better" I'm assuming you mean things like acting like a gentleman is objectively better but you're still operating under the assumption that being a gentleman is beta in the first place, and it's not. As people who know better, we shouldn't be encouraging these crude definitions, we should be schooling people on what being alpha really means.
/r/seduction28/12/25 05:37 AM
1

Well you need to learn more about dating if you think this is the most important message of all. Also, OP clarified that "beta" behaviors like acting like a gentleman are anti-seductive. That's not the kind of thing you want to be telling people who are new to these concepts. People like you and I have no issue seeing through OP's mistakes but we're not the ones he should be worried about, we're already on his side. The stuff I'm telling him is about getting more people on our side. Besides, he …
/r/seduction28/12/25 05:28 AM
1

Words have no meaning, if tomorrow I write "how to be more alpha" and copy and paste his post, I would change the way how people understand as alpha and beta. No you wouldn't. It would be confusing instead. You would have to make a few modifications to the post at least. Are you seriously advocating for not improving one's communication skills? I got the message, it was the delivery of it that was off. I'm on your side and have delivered the same message to others before, I'm just giving OP feed…
/r/seduction28/12/25 05:23 AM
1

Exactly, you have to put aside the alpha and beta nonsense. That's been my only issue. You don't need to convince me on the value of the rest of the post. He is just translating what he understands into language that other people can understand. But he's doing so in a way that perpetuates continued misunderstanding instead of correcting bad behavior.
/r/seduction28/12/25 05:05 AM
1

This is an important concept but he's creating a misunderstanding of other important concepts with the way he explained it. This would have been perfect if he hadn't used "alpha" and "beta" the way he did.
/r/seduction28/12/25 05:01 AM
1

Sure, but you're delivering this message at the expense of people's understanding other important concepts. Its a net negative.
/r/seduction27/12/25 09:37 AM
1

Exactly. Probably only two people who replied to this post actually approach consistently. You and one other guy. That's really the main reason why the advice that gets promoted here the most is so bad.
/r/seduction27/12/25 09:35 AM
3

Strategically letting her "win some battles" is not anti seductive though. It's much more seductive than feeling like you need to win all the time. How you recommend the use of these behaviors is sound but how you frame these behaviors is not.
/r/seduction27/12/25 08:51 AM
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The issue I have with this is it uses the most mislead definitions of Alpha and Beta. You're assuming someone is Alpha if they're obnoxious and abrasive and someone is Beta if they're thoughtful and considerate. But those surface level behaviors don't always reflect the same motivations. For example you can be obnoxious as a way to compensate for something you perceive you lack and you can be considerate because you're acting in line with strong values. The former doesn't always indicate comfort…
/r/seduction27/12/25 08:37 AM
2

In 2025 it's hardly ever PUAs who do this kind of thing anymore. Its the oversimplified people who distance themselves from PUAs as much as possible who are doing it now. Most people just don't know any better so they get fooled.
/r/seduction26/12/25 09:01 PM
3

This guy gets it.
/r/seduction26/12/25 08:59 PM
2

No it's not. If someone threatened your loved one and forced you to approach, you would do it. I don't care how "traumatizing" it would be for you to do it but you would do it. That means it's not a wall, fear just makes you exaggerate it's significance but at the end of the day, there won't be anything physiologically that occurs that stops you from moving your feet and walking over to that girl. Besides, you want to learn to act like a man and have women treat you like a man but you just wanna…
/r/seduction26/12/25 07:57 PM
4

What an autistic take. The vast majority of men in the world who regularly get laid make all the first moves, even your dad probably made all the first moves on your mom, and even he would tell you that what you say and do does matter.
/r/seduction26/12/25 07:45 PM
1

What if you wanna get in shape but you're scared to go to the gym because you're afraid of embarrassing yourself or being judged? You can be scared, that's fine. But fear shouldn't be a reason why you don't do something. Just be scared and then do it anyway.
/r/seduction26/12/25 07:42 PM
1

They're not even as obsessed with gym physiques as online discourse misleads you to believe.
/r/seduction26/12/25 03:34 AM
1

Could new years eve be the greatest night of my life? Hopefully not. I mean, it would be fucking awesome for you to meet someone, hit it off really well, and have a mindblowing sexual experience but there's more to life than that. So hopefully in the future you get to experience tons of things that easily top a crazy new year's eve hookup.
/r/seduction24/12/25 05:20 AM
1

Oh wow. Yet another concept that the Seduction community already evolved out of 20 years ago. This would have been awesome had you been the first person to talk about it in 2005, eh? For all the hate you people direct towards old school game, you're certainly intent on rediscovering it. What a sad state this community is in. Instead of evolving even further, you guys just wanna destroy what has come before only to rebuild it in the exact same way, effectively stagnating this community. This comm…
/r/seduction20/12/25 01:05 AM
2

Hate to break it to you but friends with benefits was a thing since before your grandparents' time.
/r/seduction19/12/25 12:55 AM
1

Tell me you're a keyboard warrior without telling me you're a keyboard warrior. Have you even seen a woman IRL besides your mom in the past year?
/r/seduction10/12/25 09:29 AM
1

Uhhh it's been ages since I've seen RSD-like advice being given on here.
/r/seduction08/12/25 11:44 AM
1

Hopefully, it won’t be something from RSD or Models by Mark Manson. Thank you! RSD is decent but Models is grossly overrated. Look into the teachings of Jason Capital, Joshua Pellicer, and Adam Lyons.
/r/seduction08/12/25 06:42 AM
2

Does this still need to be said in 2025? OP I'm agreeing with you and this is directed to others on this sub: Mystery Method is 20 years old, The Game is 20 years old. There have been far better resources that came out in the past 20 years. Don't just read The Game and look for the resources it mentions. Get up to date on the more current stuff.
/r/seduction07/12/25 01:59 AM
2

You've been a coach since the early 2000s as well, or are you a researcher who has published papers on dating?
/r/seduction06/12/25 04:18 PM
2

You haven't studied this nearly as much or as objectively as he has though. Just the fact that he has gathered data from at least 20 other men already trumps whatever you're theorizing from gathering data just from yourself. And that's me grossly underselling him, because he's gathered data from hundreds at this point. Also, what you're saying is just parroting blackpill dogma where they never take responsibility and just chalk their rejections up to not being her type, among other things that t…
/r/seduction06/12/25 03:48 PM
2

For no reason? There's so much stupid shit being proliferated by keyboard warriors nowadays. I'm doing my part in pushing against that by supporting everyone who actually knows what they're talking about when I can.
/r/seduction06/12/25 02:24 PM
2

No. Real just recognize real.
/r/seduction06/12/25 01:14 PM
2

Yes.
/r/seduction06/12/25 01:10 PM
4

Its your right to disagree, doesn't mean you're correct though.
/r/seduction06/12/25 12:18 PM
8

Brother, you're saying that to one of the other big dogs on this sub that everyone should be listening to. You're seriously out of your depth on this particular thread.
/r/seduction06/12/25 11:57 AM
1

This thread is a clear contrast between someone who actually has years of experience (becomesharp) and a keyboard warrior that's pretending he has experience when in reality he's just parroting some manosphere dogma (protofutura).
/r/seduction06/12/25 11:31 AM
1

Again, approach more. The hottest girls actually get approached less because more guys are intimidated by them. I've successfully dated models and beauty pageant contestants by opening with compliments or direct. Less theorizing, more approaching.
/r/seduction06/12/25 01:54 AM
2

Then learn to transition. You don't have to nor should you just talk about the opener the whole time. Like I said, the only purpose of the opener is to start the convo. After that you can shift to a different topic.
/r/seduction06/12/25 01:20 AM
3

Approach more. Your ideas come off as very theoretical. In actual practice, the majority of women still appreciate a good compliment given in person. Also, as I corrected myself above, those examples you gave are not compliment openers, they're actually direct openers. A direct approach is highly dependent on initial attraction. So if you get rejected, it's not because she's heard what you said before, it's because you're essentially saying, "I like you, do you like me too?" and if the answer to…
/r/seduction06/12/25 01:11 AM
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I highly disagree. If situational openers work so much better for you then you're doing compliment openers wrong. Edit: I just re-read the post. It isn't even a compliment opener that OP is doing, it's a direct opener. Direct openers do have a lower percentage than situational ones but the direct approach in general is a lot more simple so it's great for beginners.
/r/seduction06/12/25 01:02 AM
8

My goodness. This is like a 15 year old argument. How isn't everyone caught up yet? It literally doesn't matter whether someone opens with a compliment or opens with something situational, as long as you're adding value when you approach you're good to go. The opener isn't that important either. All you need to achieve is starting the conversation. That's it. It's what you do after the opener that really matters.
/r/seduction06/12/25 12:58 AM
1

Honestly, it's a pointless argument. You don't seem to actually believe that, considering you are arguing. attraction material You must be talking about people from the Mystery Method days. No pros even from the generation that came right after Mystery use any canned material anymore. It's not even a debate at this point. Yeah. Game works. No debating that.
/r/seduction05/12/25 11:56 AM
1

Watching them on the internet doesn't make you aware enough to make an accurate assessment.
/r/seduction05/12/25 11:48 AM
1

Disagree. Those aren't pros that you've seen. Only marketers trying to make a buck out of the dating industry. I know because I market for real pros.
/r/seduction05/12/25 11:38 AM
1

Brother, I work with pros. What you said is false.
/r/seduction05/12/25 11:26 AM
1

Books never promised that. It always takes practice to have that ability.
/r/seduction05/12/25 06:28 AM
11

You're 100% on point on this but you're not getting many upvotes probably because you used PUA terms. This tells me that this sub has gotten a lot less practical and a lot more political these past few years.
/r/seduction04/12/25 01:00 AM
-1

You don't know what people are referring to when they say "Game" then. You're probably thinking pickup lines and the lines you have in mind are also the rizz crap you'd see on tiktok. You trying to teach someone to be respectful is more akin to actual game, the only difference is, those that know game will do an infinitely better job than you at teaching guys to be respectful, among so many other things.
/r/seduction01/12/25 12:30 AM
27

If you think most guys' idea of game is begging her to get coffee then you have no idea how the people of this sub perceive game. The guys on this sub who talk about trying really hard to get her on a date are swiftly set straight by the guys who know game. There is no post here where someone is being celebrated for trying and trying with an unreceptive and flaky girl for months on end. I recognize your username. We had an exchange a few days ago. And now I'm thinking I made a mistake. You don't…
/r/seduction30/11/25 04:09 PM
19

Not that scary. You have a lot more control over this than on genetics.
/r/seduction29/11/25 11:42 PM
2

That totally makes sense...in the right context, when said at the right time. It seems like you're the kind of guy that may do a lot of the right things but doesn't necessarily notice all of them. This just happens to be one of the things you have noticed. The only difference between you and a good dating coach is that the coach is aware of all the things he's doing right. Skill-wise, it's about equal. I came into seduction 10 years ago, at a time when it was very common for naturals and guys wh…
/r/seduction28/11/25 12:54 PM
2

The girls that that works on aren't hot enough for me, and probably most guys too. The girls that most guys want have more than enough attention and validation from simps.
/r/seduction28/11/25 12:01 PM
2

Uhuh. And how do you exploit their insecurity?
/r/seduction28/11/25 10:34 AM
2

*If you judge YOURSELF as sub5 in the face Let's cut the BS. I've seen it countless times, you have a dude saying he's too short or too ugly or some other BS, teach him how to approach, have him do a handful of approaches that have mostly positive responses and then the next day..... He's saying the same old BS about being too ugly or too short. Don't make cold approach your scapegoat. You might fool all these other inexperienced people but I know guys like you have shitty self-esteem regardless…
/r/seduction27/11/25 07:01 AM
3

As someone who has had a lot of success approaching alone for around a decade, I gotta say, there's absolutely nothing wrong with easing into cold approach and if going out with friends is what OP needs, he should do that. Being in a hurry to do everything perfectly is just another form of scarcity mindset. As if spending a month or two easing into this and gradually building up over 6 months will mean that you miss your window to date and sleep around as much as you want. I slept around from my…
/r/seduction27/11/25 02:11 AM
6

Wow. It looks like this sub is healing. This is the first post I've ever seen where the response to working with a dating coach was unanimously positive. Good work guys!
/r/seduction26/11/25 01:41 PM
1

Sure man.
/r/seduction24/11/25 11:12 AM
1

Now that's an excuse if I've ever seen one. First, if you don't live in a small town, the odds of being spotted by any of the younger dudes are very low. Second, I doubt you're that popular when you've been a shut in for the majority of 2 years.
/r/seduction24/11/25 12:40 AM
1

All those things do exist for seduction though. Brokies on this sub just tell everyone not to use them.
/r/seduction23/11/25 06:58 AM
2

How is meeting girls in your own city shitting where you eat? You live in a town of 500 people or something?
/r/seduction23/11/25 04:31 AM
0

I have a clear type for relationships but just for sex? I'd say not really but there are parameters. I do better with girls who have the personality I want in a relationship just because I naturally mesh with that but other personality types aren't that hard for me to get along with or attract either, and I enjoy them a lot as well, they're just not my favorite. Physically, I always go for what I want but what I want is fairly varied so I don't know if you'd consider it a type. There are also lo…
/r/seduction22/11/25 08:44 PM
63

that cannot be done by reading books or cold-approaching. It is something natural that you need to practice You basically said "Don't talk to women but you need to talk to women." Very valid advice. 👏 You admit in another post that you don't even get dates. You're trying to tell us how to "actually" get girls when you get none? You sound exactly like the people you're trying to criticize.
/r/seduction22/11/25 02:12 PM
2

To be fair I've been doing game since 2013 and can easily cold approach women in parks and all kinds of settings but I've had a dog for last 3 years and have been regularly walking her at a particular park and that gets girls approaching me. They don't stay any longer than 30 seconds to a minute if all they do is say hi to your dog so you won't really be able to rely on it that much. I still have to use my game to capitalise when the girls that approach are attractive.
/r/seduction22/11/25 01:22 AM
4

That's assuming they have difficulty replicating his lifestyle. But if their girlfriends are hot and/or they have fuckboy tendencies like OP mentioned, they should get over the bitterness. They're the ones who chose to be monogamous and they can be fuckboys too if they wanted. I know I'm a fuckboy until I find someone I really like and when I'm in a monogamous relationship with someone like that I never get butthurt when my fuckboy friends talk about their adventures, in fact I make them tell me…
/r/seduction20/11/25 01:24 AM
0

Same here. Including the age. But with that amount of experience, with daygame, night game, and dating apps, I haven't arrived at the same conclusion as you. It's by far been easier for me to seduce a woman I'm talking to in person. And that's exponentially true for night game. This is how I'd arrange things based on how many tools you have at your disposal: Dating apps - least tools Daygame - more tools Night Game - a crap ton of tools. You're only working with pictures and text with apps. In d…
/r/seduction19/11/25 03:12 AM
0

Ok so how many times have you cold approached?
/r/seduction19/11/25 02:13 AM
0

I constantly see women complaining about dating on TikTok though, so it'd be nice if they played ball a little more. Thank you for proactively outing yourself so no one with actual experience needed to point it out. What they say on the internet and how they react in reality is night and day. For some reason when you ask a woman how she feels about cold approach 8/10 she always goes to the absolute worst experience of her life but then when it happens for real and it's a good experience, they do…
/r/seduction16/11/25 05:34 AM
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How do you guys stay positive? Because I had realistic expectations and looked at things with the proper perspective. Its kinda baffling to me that guys who always sucked with women throughout their life would get depressed after getting rejected from something as little as 20 approaches. Like what were you expecting? You're like a noob starting a new game that's pretty challenging. I would be more understanding of guys who had a pretty successful dating history and then they try cold approach, …
/r/seduction15/11/25 06:42 PM
1

Just learn seduction and you will learn all you need to know to take her on an emotional roller coaster.
/r/seduction14/11/25 03:39 AM
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most people here actually go outside That is the biggest lie anyone has ever told on here. The vast majority of people here are keyboard warriors who talk out of their ass, that's why they need to use mental shortcuts instead of being able to judge something based on its actual content.
/r/seduction13/11/25 01:02 PM
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Judging posts based on whether they were made with the help of ChatGPT or not is like judging a novel based on how thick it is rather than the actual story inside. Stop getting in your own way.
/r/seduction13/11/25 12:19 PM
-3

Not everyone is out of shape and stuck in a job they hate.
/r/seduction13/11/25 12:18 PM
1

Thank you for providing an example of how guys play dumb to give themselves an excuse.
/r/seduction11/11/25 11:07 PM
1

Shopping districts, public transport hubs like subways & bus stations, dining and nightlife districts, popular tourist spots. Its not rocket science. Guys just play dumb to give themselves an excuse.
/r/seduction11/11/25 10:36 PM
2

Learn to read properly.
/r/seduction11/11/25 04:44 AM
1

Just do that over a longer period. It will have much better and longer lasting effects. Even if you feel invincible in a single day, when you wake up the next day you will be nervous again. If you practice day in and day out then eventually you will get rid of the nerves completely.
/r/seduction10/11/25 06:53 PM
1

Yes. I have noticed a point of diminishing returns though so I wouldn't recommend anyone do 300 approaches in a single weekend. 10 a day is the upper limit for me. Its better to get consistent daily practice than try to cram all your approaches into 2 days. And I do agree that the better you get, the fewer your approaches can be. Its just like any other skill, you'll get to a point of competence where you can just do things right with less practice.
/r/seduction10/11/25 05:56 PM
2

You looking for an excuse or something? I already explained how you can have a job while doing that many approaches. A lot of people spend more time than that in the gym everyday while maintaining a full time job.
/r/seduction10/11/25 03:46 PM
1

15 numbers, 10 dates, and 300+ rejection in 3-4 years? Pathetic. I can do 300 approaches in a month. That's only 10 a day. That isn't crazy. And if anyone thinks you can't keep up with a full time job and the rest of life with 10 approaches a day then you're deliberately sabotaging yourself to give yourself an excuse. In a place that's actually crowded you can get 10 approaches done in 30 minutes. 300 approaches in 4 years means you only approached 1 girl a week. If we assume it's 3 years then y…
/r/seduction10/11/25 03:16 PM
1

Do it at least 20 times first before you come to any conclusion. I don't doubt that you've experienced the benefit of doing this at least once and I have dated girls who I met through asking them to take my picture but it's not as big of a deal as you think it is.
/r/seduction09/11/25 03:39 PM
1

Depends on where you're at experience-wise. The only benefit going direct has over indirect is simplicity. It may be scarier at first but it's also easier to do right so when you can push past the nerves, it's very easy to be consistent when going direct. But if the success rate it produces for you isn't enough, the next level up is indirect, which is much higher percentage and much more seductive when done right and you'll have an easier learning curve for indirect when you've already built up …
/r/seduction09/11/25 03:33 PM
2

Funny how the same people who parrot "It doesn't matter what you say but how you say it" get overly critical about what this guy is saying to women just because it hits them in their insecurities. Just test the opener yourself. I never asked any group or forum for confirmation before testing something out. Most guys here only approach once every 3 months or never anyway, it's not like their guess is gonna be any better than your's. If you need reassurance before testing something due to fear tha…
/r/seduction09/11/25 09:32 AM
1

This. OP you are confusing a girl with a bad attitude for high value.
/r/seduction08/11/25 04:48 PM
14

This is why most guys fail. I was fortunate to learn seduction at a time when the community still met face to face but the more I spend on this sub, the more I'm glad that I was a snobby asshole to most of the community and only spent the majority of my time with a handful of dudes. If I looked at forums everyday and went to gatherings every week I'd be constantly bombarded by guys like you basically telling me that actually trying is pointless and that would have hindered me from becoming as su…
/r/seduction07/11/25 06:15 PM
1

Lets just discuss your situation. Where did you learn these things, how long have you been working on them, and how frequently do you work on them? Because if you've been doing this for 5 years but the frequency is once a month then that wouldn't change much.
/r/seduction07/11/25 10:46 AM
1

You've already fucked her. She's already attracted to you. If you're unsure about that then you desperately need to get other women.
/r/seduction07/11/25 02:40 AM
0

Well the hottest stuff for me is usually the realistic stuff because the hottest things I've ever experienced have been from real life. If I watch porn, I usually watch porn that reminds me of the hottest stuff I've experienced and stuff in my sexual bucket list that I have a realistic shot of experiencing.
/r/seduction07/11/25 02:37 AM
2

Even a girl forgetting you won't matter when you have other girls.
/r/seduction07/11/25 01:07 AM
2

If you think outer game is only push pull, cold reads, and DHV routines then its not working for you simply because you're doing it wrong. This sounds like a post from someone who's only understanding of seduction comes from reading The Game.
/r/seduction07/11/25 01:05 AM
2

Don't stay ready. If you're unavailable when she hits you up then you're unavailable. Literally think of her as a FRIEND with benefits. You know, you don't actively wait for your friends, you don't stay prepared for them. They just hit you up and if you have time and you're down, you guys do something. If not, you either raincheck or see if the timing is better next time. Do the same thing with her. Don't wait for her, don't even think about her until she hits you up again. Also get other girls.…
/r/seduction06/11/25 05:04 PM
2

You should. Don't look for commitment from an FWB just enjoy the fact that you can play with her multiple times over and don't stop yourself from getting other girls to play with.
/r/seduction06/11/25 04:57 AM
15

He was asking the men with multiple women, not guys who are just parroting typical internet dating chatter.
/r/seduction05/11/25 01:38 PM
3

Sounds like she's already your FWB. Sounds like you got a great deal going too. She shows up and is gone sometimes then comes back. I deliberately set things up like that because I have times when I'm either away or focused on other girls.
/r/seduction03/11/25 07:07 AM
2

Well then you misrepresented what the other guy said just to refute him for no reason.
/r/seduction02/11/25 09:10 AM
1

You think it takes a lot of brain power to tell if she's being really nice or not?
/r/seduction01/11/25 12:06 PM
2

No. Actually don't change your plans to see her regardless of whether she knows or not. Its just some chick. She's replaceable.
/r/seduction30/10/25 04:40 AM
2

My original question was whether you consistently get one in six. You said yes; now you’re saying you “can’t expect” consistency. *extreme consistency I took that question of yours to mean that you were expecting me to always be able to sleep with 1 out of 2 girls for example, because you were asking me to be specific. Even expecting a constant 1/6 or even a constant 1/100, as in exactly 1 lay out of 100 approaches, every single time, is way too consistent to be realistic. But within a range, li…
/r/seduction26/10/25 08:11 AM
11

So you're not at the mercy of high interest women and can actually be more selective, which makes you more attractive anyway. Also, seduction is a skill. The better you get at it, the less effort it is to seduce medium and low interest women.
/r/seduction26/10/25 03:31 AM
2

That's such a broad question but I'm gonna assume you're asking if I'm approaching direct or indirect and to that I would say, both. I don't let my feelings determine what approach I use. I look at a situation and use whatever tool would be more effective for the job. Were you asking about direct or indirect or do you mean something else by "approach style"?
/r/seduction25/10/25 08:42 PM
2

Do you consistently approach riskier sets in daygame? What would you count as a riskier set? Like if the girl is with a dude or if the girl is in a dark alley? I do the former not the latter. Fuck if I did the latter just for kicks. I don't actively try to approach situations where she's with a guy because I'm not approaching for the situation, I'm approaching for the girl I want but I don't really put a girl alone and a girl with a dude into different categories, one isn't necessarily harder th…
/r/seduction25/10/25 08:36 PM
1

No, I get it. I just wasn't sure what to say to your question other than just directly answering it. If you ask me other questions to make me expand on my answer, I'll answer them.
/r/seduction25/10/25 09:01 AM
1

Do you consistently sleep with women every 1-6 approaches? Yes.
/r/seduction25/10/25 07:26 AM
1

Why should I answer the questions of someone who doesn't answer my questions?
/r/seduction24/10/25 10:23 PM
8

Most people here have already decided what the "truth" is before having any meaningful experience or evidence so even if you somehow get a proper answer to your question, it'll probably be downvoted to hell. Its only natural that the guys who are actually successful with women make up the minority of this sub, that's true for everything you try to improve at, only a few make it to the top of the mountain. The problem is the majority who aren't successful think they already know the truth. So wha…
/r/seduction24/10/25 09:59 PM
1

There's the cope that we all know and love. Let it all out man.
/r/seduction24/10/25 09:53 PM
1

That's the spirit! Whenever you need to cope with being such a loser just reply to me wherever you can find me. I feel for you buddy, must be so hard being so scared.
/r/seduction24/10/25 09:29 PM
13

Drop the dogma and actually use your brain. The idea that you can only ever get "high interest women" is blackpill dogma borne out of their victim mentality and only backed up by things that support their confirmation bias. If there's any interest at all from a woman, high or low, you can pull her. Don't be like those lazy blackpillers who use low interest as an excuse to not put in the effort to develop yourself and your seduction skills.
/r/seduction23/10/25 07:05 PM
1

Why would I waste my time trying to enlighten someone who has demonstrated a very closed minded attitude?
/r/seduction22/10/25 06:58 PM
1

Good luck with that.
/r/seduction22/10/25 06:06 PM
1

Like I said, if you were actually friends with guys like that, not just awkwardly watching from a distance, you'd know the truth.
/r/seduction22/10/25 06:02 PM
1

Tell me you don't know PUAs in real life without telling me you don't know PUAs in real life. Chances are, if you go to social gatherings, at least once in your life the "natural" you watched kill it with girls was actually a PUA. If you don't go to social gatherings and never touch grass well we know why your opinions are so off.
/r/seduction22/10/25 09:45 AM
1

You're technically right but then there's this, that heavily implies than an Asian killing it in the US is extremely unlikely: You are fighting a losing battle if you hang out where you don't fit in as a minority. try being Asian in a small town white sports bar and you will be in hell. And the comment you responded to, and my support for it, is appropriate given the main one on this thread, where I got those quotes, and which is what we're all expanding upon. Now on your remark about not gettin…
/r/seduction21/10/25 08:44 PM
2

So even if someone is not a "preferred race" they can still kill it with women.
/r/seduction21/10/25 07:31 PM
0

If you can function as a human being and your reproductive system works then you have cards.
/r/seduction21/10/25 04:36 PM
4

That's exactly what playing the game well is.
/r/seduction21/10/25 04:35 PM
16

Exactly. Enough of this bitch-ass victim mentality. Do the best with what you got!
/r/seduction21/10/25 03:58 PM
10

First of all, I agree 100%. But I'd like to add that guys are so short sighted man. They always fixate on one girl and their ego can't handle still being around that girl if they didn't end up fucking her. If you were just a lot less prideful, this whole dating thing would be so much easier for you. If she only hangs around you to complain about another dude, use her to indirectly help you get other women by having your "heart to heart" talks at a bar or something so others see that a hot girl i…
/r/seduction21/10/25 09:00 AM
5

Lol. Hot girls have way more guys kissing their asses and showering them with compliments.
/r/seduction20/10/25 05:08 PM
6

What works on human psychology isn't a trend that comes and goes. What works on human psychology will always work for generations. Maybe in a thousand years human psychology would have evolved enough for this stuff to not apply anymore, but in our lifetime and in the lifetime of our kids, negging is here to stay.
/r/seduction20/10/25 09:41 AM
2

Comments like these are the reason why in dating the "rich" only get richer and the "poor" only get poorer. The "rich", the guys who know what actually works know to ignore these comments and do the opposite and get the results they want. The "poor" are already starving for intimacy so they're too desperate to be willing to risk trying something that is unpopular in the mainstream, so they never have the balls to just test something and instead just listen to people like you, play it safe, and c…
/r/seduction20/10/25 09:38 AM
1

I'm going to disagree with you on some things and I hope you take it with as much grace as you want us to take your disagreements. If you struggle to do something normal, (like talk to women) you need to seek out professional help. The vast majority of men struggle to do this. Do the vast majority of men need therapy? exposure therapy" never helped my RSD. Doing It made me feel good for about 0.1 seconds. And I was happy I did, but then the reality of it not changing my perception of myself over…
/r/seduction19/10/25 04:31 PM
16

You don’t need to be healed to take action. You heal by taking action. 1000000% this. There's no prerequisite therapy to be done before you go and talk to girls. Talking to girls IS the therapy. Oh you might experience something extremely embarrassing and demoralizing? GOOD! If you wanna date you gotta face the reality of dating. The FULL reality of dating and learn to regulate yourself in both the good and bad. You don't make it so experiences don't feel as emotionally intense, you get used to …
/r/seduction18/10/25 12:27 PM
9

This. A lot of guys make the mistake of thinking their absolute physical attractiveness is what's important and just obsess on that. When in reality, women develop something like long term beer goggles if she's attracted to you for other reasons.
/r/seduction18/10/25 09:31 AM
11

As Lemmy Kilmister once said, "It's all about the Game and how you play it."
/r/seduction18/10/25 02:08 AM
1

Its the approach, not the clothes. The fact that most people responding to this don't get that is why most guys here are failing at improving their dating lives. I do get that wearing dress clothes on a college campus seems out of place but it's not too jarring to overcome with decent social skills. If it is for your current social skills then you haven't been doing great regardless of what you've been wearing anyway. Also, funny how people immediately think they have the dating coach who recomm…
/r/seduction18/10/25 12:26 AM
4

Exactly. My instinct was just to laugh and move on. That absolutely didn't require a clever comeback. Her saying that didn't shift the dynamic. It's OP being visibly thrown off by the remark that did.
/r/seduction18/10/25 12:03 AM
19

And here's another psychology lesson kids: the Availability Heuristic. You only think this because your perception is skewed by social media when in reality the vast majority of women today would absolutely refuse a trip to Paris with someone in the early stages of dating. You're on this sub so you should be trying to improve, so at the very least, you should feel obligated to touch grass and talk to actual women in real life on a regular basis.
/r/seduction17/10/25 10:10 AM
1

You're just trying to appeal to guys' feelings by using a common sentiment that is parroted by other men. Women aren't supernatural beings. Talking about them like they're supercomputers or have iron wills is just another form of putting them on a pedestal.
/r/seduction14/10/25 08:41 AM
2

Models should only be secondary reading, not the main thing that you follow to improve your dating life.
/r/seduction14/10/25 04:59 AM
3

Anything is better than opening with an apology. I don't think anyone has actually tested that in any meaningful way. Someone I've known for 10 years often opens like that and he has the highest bodycount of anyone I know. Also, from my experience of around 10 years, I've come to realize that women don't even remember your openers.
/r/seduction14/10/25 04:38 AM
17

Careful man. Guys here don't take well to too much logic.
/r/seduction09/10/25 04:48 PM
1

What's great about the dating scene over there?
/r/seduction07/10/25 05:39 AM
1

That's one of them, when done at the correct time, not just done randomly by someone who expects it to work like magic.
/r/seduction06/10/25 05:55 PM
1

So why not address that instead of avoiding it?
/r/seduction06/10/25 05:54 PM
2

Fair enough. Haha. I appreciate your presence on this sub man, especially since you're one of the last people who needs to be here. But this sub is in extremely short supply of people who actually know what they're talking about, so I'm glad you're still here.
/r/seduction06/10/25 02:48 PM
1

Stating "facts" without evidence? Very valid indeed. 👏
/r/seduction06/10/25 02:33 PM
2

This is a prime example of an ad hominem. What in the world is nice about ignoring someone? 😂
/r/seduction06/10/25 02:28 PM
1

That's your personal preference. You're free to decide whatever you want for your life.
/r/seduction06/10/25 02:17 PM
3

Oh that's an extremely common thing in 2025. There's two guys on this subreddit that I can recommend. u/hunterpua and u/becomesharp The latter is right here on this thread. He's the top comment here.
/r/seduction06/10/25 02:12 PM
1

The idea that attraction is purely based on what she sees in the beginning is a myth that's being pushed by guys that want to oversimplify dating. If you want YOUR life to be overly simple, have at it. Do your thing. Its your life. But don't go around acting like its anything more than just a personal preference. Research showing that the more someone sees you, the more attractive they find you to be. More recent research replicating the results for those who try to dismiss something just becaus…
/r/seduction06/10/25 01:56 PM
1

What do you mean "online in-person"?
/r/seduction06/10/25 01:30 PM
2

Depends on the situation. If its a cold approach situation and she's alone, the odds of it working are abysmal. But if they often come into contact like if they're part of the same team in the office or part of the same class in school, there's a good chance. Also if its a cold approach where she's in a group and he only talks to everyone else in the beginning. Although, I think that's very unlikely. Most guys on this sub these days are terrified of approaching groups.
/r/seduction06/10/25 01:28 PM
2

The guy with the top comment. If you don't know who he is, a quick google search will do the trick. Or you know...you could just talk to him. Kinda weird that you're asking about someone that's right here.
/r/seduction06/10/25 01:24 PM
1

Exactly. If looks and height were the only things that mattered then he would have girls throwing themselves at him regardless of how insecure he might be.
/r/seduction06/10/25 12:16 PM
2

There's one right in this thread. The guy with the top comment. Darren Fuji.
/r/seduction06/10/25 11:54 AM
3

I know more chads and PUAs in real life than most guys here even have friends. I started in 2013 when PUAs regularly gathered face to face as opposed to this online shit and once we got good, we naturally ended up in the same circles as guys who are naturally good with women. The "chads" I know are not just dudes I observe from a distance, I'm actually friends with them. One of them was in my DMs last night pestering me to go out. Lol And if you think there's no PUA that has women throwing thems…
/r/seduction06/10/25 10:27 AM
5

PUA vs Chad. who wins? Depends on the individuals. Lesser PUA vs greater chad. Chad wins. Lesser chad vs greater PUA. PUA wins. This question is like, "Who would win, an MMA fighter or a street fighter?" If the MMA guy is just on the casual training level and the street fighter has beat up half his block, the street fighter will take it. If the MMA fighter is in the UFC though....RIP street fighter.
/r/seduction06/10/25 09:28 AM
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Ignore first and when she shows you interest, do what the top comment here says. Just because you stop ignoring her doesn't mean you immediately show her interest. When she shows you interest, talk to her but challenge her like what's described above, don't immediately talk to her to show her you like her, slowly show her that as she proves herself.
/r/seduction06/10/25 09:21 AM
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I work on the back end with a few dating coaches (marketing) and naturally are friends with them and the vast majority of guys who work with them have broken through that barrier and have some experience doing cold approach. Some even have years of experience with cold approach with very little to show for it. Oh it's not cold approach's fault, it's their fault. Let me explain. The thing that would save them money, even if they end up working with a dating coach for a while is patience and consi…
/r/seduction06/10/25 09:05 AM
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It depends. This is like asking whether every doctor or every therapist is amazing. Are you at the top tier of your job? Its an individual thing. You can't just see a dating coach and assume he sucks or assume he's amazing. Look at the individual himself.
/r/seduction06/10/25 08:24 AM
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There are. Some guys just think they tried everything when they haven't.
/r/seduction06/10/25 08:21 AM
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Ignoring someone is not a negotiation. Negotiation is when you are actively discussing something and trying to come to an agreement. Behaving in certain ways that stimulate their emotions to be attracted to you is not a negotiation, it's Seduction. I agree that negotiation doesn't work, Seduction does though.
/r/seduction06/10/25 08:19 AM
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As one of the biggest supporters of cold approach on this subreddit I am so glad this post is getting such a positive reception. I was expecting to scroll down and read comments like, "nAh BrO a GiRL dEciDeS iN tHe FiRsT 10 sEcOnDs iF sHe WaNtS yOu. ThOsE GiRLs wOuLd HaVe GoNe FoR tHoSe GuYs iF iTs A coLd aPpRoAcH oR wHeReVer ThEy MeEt."
/r/seduction05/10/25 09:17 PM
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False. It may mean a lack of interest but "doesn't matter what you say or do"? That's just another form of putting them on a pedestal. Women aren't supernatural beings with iron wills. In fact they're known for being wishy washy and indecisive about everything. There are tons of things that can be done to flip a woman, like getting her friends to like you and find out about your awesome life. Its just that you shouldn't do them because you would be disrespecting yourself if you did.
/r/seduction03/10/25 11:49 PM
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So you're literally saying there is a way to appear confident on instagram, which is exactly what OP is asking about.
/r/seduction03/10/25 10:14 PM
1

Why not just go out to meet women?
/r/seduction03/10/25 08:48 AM
1

For real. Google exists. ChatGPT exists. And instead of looking up legitimate studies, guys would rather ask random people what they think works and decide on what's good advice with their feelings??
/r/seduction03/10/25 06:49 AM
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Hell no. Once you answer my question about your funnel I would have gotten everything I wanted from this conversation. Edit: and when I say my dating coach friend is living off of referrals I'm not saying that as a good thing. Its very inconsistent. So I'm trying to help the guy out.
/r/seduction01/10/25 10:03 PM
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Friend of mine is a dating coach who is basically only living off referrals at the moment. I don't need dating advice. I sorted that out 10 years ago. I usually hop on this sub to set some misguided guys straight. I'd rather get your method for lead generation. Email I get, newsletter and all but what does your funnel look like on social media? How do you consistently get guys from say, watching your videos or following you on Instagram to hopping on a sales call with you?
/r/seduction01/10/25 09:58 PM
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I'm talking about coaching leads for yourself, not dating leads for your clients.
/r/seduction01/10/25 09:18 PM
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Only when you don't know the actual signs and how to read them and you refuse to learn them because you're one of the many guys in their feelings who likes to pretend psychology doesn't exist when discussing dating. The signs have been very well documented long before the first PUA even arrived on the scene: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/246974326_Nonverbal_courtship_patterns_in_women_Context_and_consequences
/r/seduction01/10/25 09:16 PM
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All the downvotes to this post are coming from the blackpillers and "looksmaxxing" children.
/r/seduction01/10/25 07:58 PM
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How did you learn to coach women and what's your female clients' success rate? Also, how do you consistently get leads for clients in general?
/r/seduction01/10/25 07:54 PM
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He has no real reason. He's playing psychiatrist with a bunch of pseudo science or new age woo woo stuff.
/r/seduction01/10/25 06:59 PM
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Fully shower at night. Get up out of bed as soon as you wake up. Only shower with water in the morning to minimise time spent naked. You got fully clean the night before anyway and you basically don't get dirty from just sleeping at home. Eat breakfast. Go out. Doesn't even matter if you talk to anyone or not. You can even just sit somewhere and play video games. At least when you're outside, you're far less likely to jack off. Make that a habit then start trying to talk to people. If you jack o…
/r/seduction01/10/25 06:45 PM
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I'm simply asking a question and you haven't given any answers, which I've noticed is typical for the oversimplified folk. They just say things but don't really help anyone. Edit: Dude blocked me because he couldn't prove how his oversimplified stuff helps anyone. Lol
/r/seduction01/10/25 08:58 AM
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Hey man, there are "r4r" or "redditor for redditor" subreddits where its more relevant to post this type of thing on. For real, I've seen a lot of posts on those subs just looking to chat. Most major cities and probably some entire countries have them so if you search for your city + r4r, you'll probably find a sub with lots of women looking to chat. There are also r4r subs specific to dating and even hooking up, so you can also look into those if you want.
/r/seduction30/09/25 08:21 PM
3

Case in point. What part of this response can anyone use to better themselves?
/r/seduction30/09/25 03:30 AM
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Its because the oversimplified stuff basically just talks shit and doesn't provide solutions to stop being socially incompetent losers. Also, what are you talking about? There are tons of oversimplified posts that get thousands of upvotes. I just looked into OP's post history and not one post has gotten to a thousand upvotes, and the majority of his posts are below 30 upvotes. I'd say the lazy shit talkers and their lazy supporters who wish dating was stupid simple are much more of a problem for…
/r/seduction29/09/25 07:22 PM
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Your question makes it sound like this always happens but then the body text makes it sound like it's just a one time thing. If it is just a one time thing then you don't need to overthink it. Go and have more one night stands.
/r/seduction29/09/25 09:54 AM
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ChatGPT does what you tell it, so you have a degree of control on whether it gives you cringe suggestions or not. What I've found works well is not telling it to give me lines to use on women, instead, I give it a line that I've used before, tell it why the line works, and ask for lines that work in a similar way without mentioning dating or flirting at all and the suggestions are much better.
/r/seduction29/09/25 08:03 AM
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For some reason this sub has the same attitude that boomers have towards newer tech like smartphones. I don't see anything wrong with using ChatGPT to help yourself brainstorm stuff. What people aren't getting is that ChatGPT isn't the one in charge, you aren't taking orders from it, it's taking orders from you, it's less of a coach and more of a personal assistant.
/r/seduction29/09/25 07:56 AM
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Its not about getting girls, it's about developing the skill. It only becomes transactional when he does something for a specific girl.
/r/seduction28/09/25 05:55 PM
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If you're saying there must be a way for you to get with her again, there certainly is, but I wouldn't exactly call that a solution because that will put you in a worse position than you are in now.
/r/seduction28/09/25 02:34 PM
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Its the truth that you need to accept.
/r/seduction28/09/25 12:53 PM
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This sounds like you're just trying to offer a magic pill shortcut while contradicting it at the same time and shitting on PUAs to market yourself as a better alternative. The mental gymnastics are not necessary. Just get experience and you'll naturally become more comfortable. Even you yourself are pointing out the fact that experience is what ultimately got you more comfortable with dating. Its like you're telling guys to just sit and talk with themselves, while you didn't even do that, you ac…
/r/seduction28/09/25 09:04 AM
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Long distance? You're done. Let it go.
/r/seduction28/09/25 07:37 AM
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"Babe" is pretty typical among people who have sex with each other. I call girls "babe" or "baby" on the first night of us having sex. I'd be a little weirded out if there wasn't at least a bit of a sexual undertone and it's just an FWB calling me that though. Like, "Hey babe, what do you wanna order?" but it does hint that she may want something more serious. If it's just, "Hey babe. You're looking good tonight 😏" then she doesn't really mean anything by the word "babe", it's just part of the f…
/r/seduction26/09/25 07:15 PM
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This. A lot of guys are way too proud thinking they're lesser men for not trying to fuck every girl they find attractive.
/r/seduction26/09/25 02:56 PM
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Just a bunch of blackpill BS. I've regularly approached girls who didn't even initially see me, so they couldn't possibly show me interest beforehand, while using the concepts from a lot of books you mentioned to great success for 10 years. Also, you're largely misrepresenting the content of these books by judging them based on examples. Anyone who isn't on the spectrum can easily tell that the lines guys like Lyons, Gambler, Pellicer, Krauser, etc give you aren't meant to be copied verbatim but…
/r/seduction26/09/25 08:34 AM
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Exactly.
/r/seduction26/09/25 04:33 AM
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The Game by Neil Strauss. But not really because of the content, because it got me into seduction. The actual techniques of The Game in 2025 are now obsolete. Yeah, someone might say they still work and I agree, they do, just like an old Walkman that isn't broken would still work. The newer content just works better, is more intuitive, and more convenient, like just using your smartphone to play music. By the way, I looked up the release date of Models by Mark Manson. It was released in 2011? An…
/r/seduction25/09/25 07:39 PM
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Funny, I find that most people who put looks at the top are chronically online.
/r/seduction25/09/25 07:00 PM
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No man, that's you with your overly logical and pedantic thinking. You think guys who are successful with women have communication disorders? Funny, most overly logical guys also think women are really bad communicators. Now why in the world would women like guys who communicate in a similar way to them?? 🤔
/r/seduction25/09/25 06:57 PM
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Exactly. One of the mistakes people make when giving advice is doing it in a blanketed way. As if "Trust your instincts" is just gonna be helpful for everyone in every situation. Often times, what makes advice good or bad is not the actual content, but how relevant that advice is to an individual's given situation.
/r/seduction25/09/25 08:36 AM
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What do you mean trust her? If she's not your girlfriend then she can fuck or date whoever she wants whenever she wants. And in the case where a girl is your girlfriend, don't monitor or control her at all. If you don't like her lifestyle or the people she hangs around with, either don't commit to her in the first place or dump her and get a new one. That's yet another reason why its better to focus on becoming the guy who gets a lot of girls. If you just try to force a relationship with a frien…
/r/seduction24/09/25 05:56 PM
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"Trust your instincts" or "Follow your gut." Sure, now, 10 years later, after I improved. Back then, when I was a virgin who didn't know shit about talking to girls? Fuck off. My instincts used to tell me to badger and guilt trip girls into giving me the time of day.
/r/seduction24/09/25 03:01 PM
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That sounds fairly neutral to me actually. Impressing women with either your willingness to show her a good time, your willingness to spend money on her, or just how interested you are in her are all losing strategies.
/r/seduction24/09/25 02:57 PM
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It actually sounds to me like OP is agreeing with you and just elaborating on your point.
/r/seduction24/09/25 02:55 PM
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I see. How did you build comfort with her?
/r/seduction24/09/25 09:12 AM
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How did her going somewhere with you even come up when you first met? Edit: Why'd the comment above suddenly get so many downvotes? Because he told the truth that it isn't gonna be a quick fix?
/r/seduction24/09/25 08:53 AM
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This. The idea that you can go away and self-improve just to come back better and get with your female friend is very unrealistic. Because first of all, your heart won't be in it. As soon as things get hard you'll come running back to your female friend, stop improving for months, and regress. And also, if you manage to push past that and become the guy that can easily get her, odds are you won't want your female friend anymore because you only really like her now because you have very little op…
/r/seduction23/09/25 09:35 PM
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You're saying that, not me.
/r/seduction23/09/25 07:11 PM
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I would be practicing moves that I haven't practised before. That's the majority of what you do as a white belt. Just like it should be the majority of what you do as someone just starting to improve their dating life. Why would you just repeat the behaviours that have you unsatisfied with your dating life in the first place?
/r/seduction23/09/25 07:08 PM
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And that's ok. Everyone sucks when they're trying to do something for the first time. And you should learn to place less importance on any individual girl anyway. Pressuring yourself to hit a homerun every time is a lot worse than stepping out of your comfort zone and trying to adopt new behaviours.
/r/seduction23/09/25 05:43 PM
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So were the ones after months and years. If you really believe I proved your point then you would agree that women do make split second judgements about how attractive you are but they're NOT making a decision that they will stick with in the first few seconds, and that her feelings CAN evolve over time, and that it's nowhere near as impossible to make that happen as people exaggerate it to be. That's what I'm saying, so is that your point?
/r/seduction23/09/25 04:14 PM
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I also have 7+ years of experience and I've slept with girls I've known for a few hours as well as girls I've known for months, even years. Also, anyone with an education knows that one person's experience is far less meaningful than something that is properly studied.
/r/seduction23/09/25 04:02 PM
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Women literally can tell within the first couple of minutes or seconds if they would smash. False. There's no science that supports this. This is one of the most widely accepted pieces of pseudoscience in dating but it is based on something real. The real stuff has just been twisted because people don't go straight to the source. In fact the majority of people here probably have no idea what the source is, they just heard it from someone, it appealed to them purely based on feelings and they cho…
/r/seduction23/09/25 03:48 PM
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Why are people downvoting this? Anyone who has actually read Pellicer, La Ruina (Gambler), and Lyons' stuff would know that all 3 of them would agree with this comment. Also, to anyone who hasn't read their stuff, don't talk out of your ass just because you have dating coach phobia. Those 3 guys are legit. You're much more likely to make shit up than them.
/r/seduction22/09/25 04:18 PM
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I have a friend that's 5'7", not fat but no abs and has a little bit of a belly, with a chin that slopes back and a nose that's a little too wide but one time on a first date, in the afternoon, he and his date snuck into a fire escape to have sex. I also mentioned it to OP, most guys who experience this have a lot of experience in general. This wasn't like the 5th date he's ever had or anything. He had a lot of dates before that happened and the majority of the time he was able to have sex were …
/r/seduction21/09/25 08:07 AM
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Yes. Anyone who's had a girlfriend or FWB knows this. I've had girls leave in the middle of school, work, family gatherings, etc just to jump on my dick. And that's actually a good way to describe it, because I've had many of them actually jump on me when we got to the bedroom. To be clear, these are referring to FWBs and girlfriends. The girls that I hooked up with from dating apps show a bit more restraint during the first time. Lol
/r/seduction21/09/25 07:55 AM
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What you're missing is how much experience most of these guys have. This isn't like they just tried once and it happened. Most of these instances happened without guys even actively trying to make them happen and they just date normally 99% of the time but when an opportunity presented itself, they capitalised. I know that's been my experience. I was once chatting with a girl on an app saying, "Girls are different nowadays, most of them just wanna hookup" I was just saying that to see how she re…
/r/seduction21/09/25 07:44 AM
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That's the question that this sub helps you answer. The problem is, guys want a quick fix. That's probably where your question is coming from, you wanna find the secret that will 10x your results overnight but it doesn't exist. If you're in this sub I'm pretty sure you already know what the real answer is - Education and Experience. Learn how to seduce women and practice it over and over consistently for around 6 months to a year. Education on this sub is so shitty nowadays that most people here…
/r/seduction20/09/25 04:52 PM
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Sounds like a whole bunch of deliberately unquantifiable stuff from someone who just loves dance so much he thinks it has wider benefits than it actually does. Similar to how gym bros tend to exaggerate the dating benefits of working out too. And before you think you can fool me like most of the naive newbies here, you should know that I got this stuff down in 2015 and I'm actually friends with a lot of guys who are amazing with women because back then, communities still met up face to face. In …
/r/seduction20/09/25 04:39 PM
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Basically everything that makes you a good conversationalist when talking to women works for non-dating settings too. Building rapport, banter, playful teasing, playful challenging, etc. Maybe just leave out flirting and escalation though.
/r/seduction20/09/25 06:53 AM
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I believe it's very harmful especially with younger, less experienced guys. But guys who have an active sex life, I see no issue with it. Especially if one of your kinks is watching porn while doing the deed.
/r/seduction20/09/25 06:40 AM
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Doesn't allow personal details. So easy to crop and paintbrush over names and other details.
/r/seduction20/09/25 05:31 AM
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Always best to include screenshots with posts like this.
/r/seduction20/09/25 03:08 AM
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This. Everyone else is just talking shit about your friend or telling you how to handle a small picture issue. But this is what'll solve the REAL problem.
/r/seduction19/09/25 05:41 AM
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Let's go! So many field reports from more advanced guys lately. By the way, when I got here it was at zero upvotes. This is to the people downvoting this: If you're a bitter keyboard jockey, incel, or blackpiller, just get the fuck out of here. Don't drag everyone down to your level, people here actually want to make something of themselves. If you're someone who is actually trying to improve but got bitter because someone is so much farther ahead of you, cut that shit out. You should be celebra…
/r/seduction18/09/25 05:04 PM
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Yup! You can also do stuff similar to sales, like saying on a date, "Well you got a bunch of matches on the app, why'd you come out to see me?" the same way a salesperson asks a similar question to get the prospect to be the one that disqualifies the competition.
/r/seduction18/09/25 07:19 AM
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You can straight up say things to make it happen. It can go from something as simple as saying "forget about it" or "you wouldn't be interested" to make them listen to what you have to say more intently, all the way to stuff like getting them to tell you stories about how they can stand on their own, how they do what they want, and how their friends don't control them so that they're the ones that argue against their friends when they try to stop you from pulling her. Oh and the more they argue …
/r/seduction18/09/25 07:08 AM
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One is convincing someone will never be as powerful as them convincing themselves. And you can make someone convince themselves of what you want while they will argue to the ends of the earth that you didn't make them do that. You get way more done when people around you are convincing themselves to do what you want vs just chilling.
/r/seduction18/09/25 06:53 AM
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Chilling is great but don't exaggerate. It's not the key, it's only the latest breakthrough you've arrived upon. If you keep working on this, there's more breakthroughs to come that'll make chilling seem minor in comparison.
/r/seduction18/09/25 06:17 AM
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Modern Success and The Single Guy on youtube are excellent resources.
/r/seduction18/09/25 05:57 AM
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This won't be a very popular post because of the increased number of crabs in this bucket who are happy to encourage someone in the early stages making baby steps but are secretly bitter of anyone who has reached higher levels of success and because of the people who don't actually know seduction making assumptions about you for using jargon... But fucking excellent work man! I especially appreciate how you were able to get her on an instant date in the day time and recognise yourself doing actu…
/r/seduction17/09/25 04:41 PM
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What kind of crazy spin job is this? Revenge? Hate? At this point you're sounding like one of the girls I rejected trying to gaslight me into taking her back. Rejecting someone that rejected you has nothing to do with revenge, hate, a grudge, or whatever BS you're trying to spin, it has everything to do with self-esteem. Its just hard for you to conceptualise because you don't know what it's like to have options. And you're the one making rejection extremely personal here. Its not a grudge, it's…
/r/seduction17/09/25 02:24 PM
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Bold of you to assume I'm not speaking based on success. Who hurt you? Who is the girl that rejected you that you're still obsessed with? Because it sounds like you're just trying to justify not moving on at this point. I started seduction in 2013. Was able to sleep around by 2015. By 2017, dating was easy for me. You're the one headed for a cliff buddy. But sure, keep telling yourself that it's ok to not move on.
/r/seduction17/09/25 02:10 PM
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If you like every aspects of her but you decide you don't want her back just because she rejected you before, then it is egotistical behavior and highly contributes to the male loneliness epidemic. Even bolder of you to assume all men can't afford to reject women who rejected them. I'm gonna talk without assuming all men are starving for intimacy: If a guy has two women that he likes every aspect of but one rejected him before and the other hasn't, is he egotistic for picking the one that didn't…
/r/seduction17/09/25 09:57 AM
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Is your self-esteem so low that you just continue wanting someone even after they don't treat you the way you want to be treated?
/r/seduction17/09/25 06:35 AM
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If this was a guy celebrating his first ever approach he'd get a thousand upvotes. But a guy who made it to a higher level gets hate? Nowhere on this sub does it say its exclusively for inexperienced dudes. The guys who are further along deserve to talk about their experiences too. If you want help ask OP for advice.
/r/seduction17/09/25 06:33 AM
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You should try cold approaching in other areas. It won't be any easier because the mall is not the problem, it's you naturally being scared to approach in the beginning. Just keep working at it, take baby steps, start by just asking for the time or something, don't even try to have a conversation or flirt at first. Start as small as you need and just build up from there. Cold approach is naturally daunting. You don't need to go from zero to ladies man in a single day. No one has done that. Work …
/r/seduction17/09/25 06:03 AM
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It's only a cheesy line. That'll totally work depending on how you deliver it and what you follow up with. If you're being cheesy throughout the conversation then things go to shit, but if you're actually charming then it'll work out well for you. Unless you open with something that is serious and is seen negatively, like something political, the opener really isn't a big deal. Anyone who doesn't get this clearly hasn't done a lot of cold approach.
/r/seduction17/09/25 05:53 AM
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Bold of you to assume he's lonely and can't afford to reject her because he has no other options. Also, your solution is like giving a homeless person a burger. Yeah, he'll get to eat something good for once but he'll still be homeless. Men who just take whatever they're offered, no matter how shitty, will always be less appealing than men that actually give a shit about themselves. If you're the former, a girl won't stick around with you anyway. If you're the latter, that's when you actually st…
/r/seduction17/09/25 04:48 AM
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What part of him telling people to flirt and escalate makes you think its the same thing that your friend did?
/r/seduction16/09/25 11:38 AM
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How long have you been at this? Almost a decade? And those step by step guides, they emphasise making your interest in her clear?
/r/seduction15/09/25 12:28 PM
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Seduction works best when you're not too lazy to actually learn it. Anyone who has actually retained all the lessons from start to finish from a reputable source instead of only retaining the trendy shit like, "If you don't want to become a friend don't treat her like a friend" will have great success at dating. The problem with the community is not the material, its the people in it being so lazy they only want to memorise quotes instead of learning real lessons.
/r/seduction15/09/25 09:35 AM
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The only consistency with women is their inconsistency You may need to pay better attention. People who aren't paying close enough attention naturally have a negativity bias, they remember the one instance where a girl did something crazy but forget the 10 instances where girls have been consistently predictable.
/r/seduction15/09/25 06:11 AM
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Been doing this for 10 years and the younger I go, the easier cold approach gets. If 18 year olds are hard for you that's because your cold approaches are random and unrefined. You don't know what to do outside of trying to be warm and having "conviction" in your approach. Both good things, don't get me wrong but when this new oversimplified advice tells you that's all you need, you get this, a bunch of newer dudes struggling with the easiest demographic of women to cold approach.
/r/seduction15/09/25 06:06 AM
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If my wife is hot, my wife is hot. What does it matter how she dresses? She'll still look the same naked. And the only guys who can't identify a hot woman without needing to see her in revealing clothing can't get a woman anyway, why would I or my hot wife care about what those losers think?
/r/seduction14/09/25 04:40 PM
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Some people just have that presence This is never the case. I've had to correct all the girlfriends I've had when they said they imagined me as the school jock or popular kid when in reality I was bullied in school and just put in the work for 10 years to be how I am today. This sense where someone thinks they can tell the difference between a guy that's actively working on being charismatic vs someone that's just a natural doesn't exist. What you're actually sensing is someone who hasn't quite …
/r/seduction13/09/25 04:16 PM
1

Have you read his stats properly now?
/r/seduction12/09/25 11:50 PM
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I think you just skimmed his post.
/r/seduction12/09/25 02:38 AM
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so whatever we go with - we will fail someone's expectations. We lose as soon as we start playing this game. So? That is a world apart from meeting a crazy girl who will falsely accuse you. They can post a video of me online, that will go viral. And do you know the actual odds of a video going viral?
/r/seduction09/09/25 11:05 AM
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So you don't believe in driving or commuting too? The actual statistics for car accidents in a year is 5-6%. Also, the odds are very low that you could run into a crazy but the odds of them knowing enough information about you to actually hurt you from a cold approach are even tinier. What, are you giving girls your ID when you cold approach them or something?
/r/seduction09/09/25 10:07 AM
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Speaking of psychology! Look up the "Availability Heuristic" so you'll learn how Tiktok is making you paranoid. Bet you won't. People on this sub hate facing reality for some reason...
/r/seduction09/09/25 08:03 AM
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Its called clickbait. Obviously the contents of the actual program are not gonna make it as easy as the free ebook makes it sound. But that doesn't necessarily mean the actual advice is a bunch of BS. There's clickbait all over reddit and yet a good number of stuff is still legit. Just fact check the ebook. And if this Mike Haine gives free advice somewhere like youtube, fact check it too. How? To ChatGPT: "Is there psychological research on teasing and how it affects men's dating success?" Repl…
/r/seduction09/09/25 07:56 AM
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Experience and education. You know what experience is. Education, well, this subreddit is a goldmine for that. You just have to separate the legit and the feel good pseudoscience. Don't know how to do that? Psychologists have been studying dating for decades before the first PUA. It's so easy to fact check seduction advice in 2025 by asking ChatGPT for research papers.
/r/seduction09/09/25 07:42 AM
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I just have a better understanding of how women are these days and just about every woman loves a man that knows how to take the lead How is this different to Game? It seems you may not be too familiar with what's actually discussed here. Still I’ve managed to close a new one every three to four months in the last year and an half and of those women, a couple of them come and go. So I’m having sex about once every three weeks I’d say but it’s not because I’m asking them for it, it’s the other wa…
/r/seduction09/09/25 06:20 AM
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Yeah, I get that. I work out and do BJJ along with other martial arts too but how often are you with a woman? Once a week? Once a month? And are you leaning more towards getting into a relationship or just sleeping around? That's a genuine question. I sleep around so it's not like I'm one to judge.
/r/seduction09/09/25 02:14 AM
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An individual person can track their individual stats, or even just recall situations that lead them to sex. Also, studies have been done. I hate when people refuse to acknowledge psychology has been studying dating ages before PUAs even existed and just want to believe this is all a mystery, because feelings and shit... Furthermore, there are things you can proactively do to make things happen. I've been in seduction for a long time now, I sorted this out ages ago, and I'm actually skeptical ab…
/r/seduction08/09/25 10:44 PM
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Nice. How much did dancing help and what else did you do to make things happen?
/r/seduction08/09/25 12:43 PM
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Have you slept with anyone because of your dancing?
/r/seduction08/09/25 03:46 AM
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Only if they suspect they will be approached. Like when you see a salesperson. More likely is it's due to being self-conscious or preoccupied with something else.
/r/seduction06/09/25 04:19 PM
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This guy gets it.
/r/seduction06/09/25 10:13 AM
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There's nothing wrong with being specific. "Talking to people" won't immediately be interpreted as just approaching people you don't know, its far too broad. There is something wrong with being overly sensitive about innocuous words though.
/r/seduction06/09/25 01:44 AM
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Ok, and? Look at how your cousin acted. That's how you should act. If you go around simping as a guy then you should be shamed.
/r/seduction06/09/25 01:39 AM
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Lol. The title made me think you were looking to hire a cleaner to set up your place before a date or something.
/r/seduction04/09/25 08:23 PM
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You can do 130 by approaching 4 or 5 girls a day for a month. That's like doing dance class everyday for a month. That ain't shit. Look at cold approach like any other skill and most of the confusion will quickly fade away.
/r/seduction04/09/25 08:29 AM
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Yup. Him getting with Camila Cabello was no accident.
/r/seduction01/09/25 11:49 PM
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Matthew Hussey. Yeah, you've probably heard of him. He's not just some random social media dating coach. He's legit and came up with PUAs before he got internet famous. He's just good at phrasing things in his videos so they're more palatable to a mainstream audience.
/r/seduction01/09/25 09:29 AM
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This is it right here. Most guys on this sub spend 10x more time TALKING about approaching than actually doing it.
/r/seduction30/08/25 11:11 PM
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Lol bro read, "following me around" and assumed she was secretly creeping behind him instead of you know, talking to him. Touch grass buddy.
/r/seduction29/08/25 07:29 AM
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Alright, fair enough. I respect that. I got no openers for you though. I personally never slide into DMs. Lol Hopefully others here have some good suggestions though.
/r/seduction28/08/25 04:52 PM
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So? She's not special. Just approach other hot girls you see in person. If you already regularly do that, I have zero issue with you DMing girls, but if you're still terrified and clueless about what to do in person, DMing girls will be pretty pointless because not only will you still be clueless IF she replies but if you somehow manage to get her to agree to a date, you'd still be a fish out of water. Not to mention her coming out to see you will be worse than her just ignoring your message bec…
/r/seduction28/08/25 04:37 PM
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"I'm terrified to talk to women in person so here I am sliding into your DMs. Hope you don't mind me being awkward on the date too!"
/r/seduction28/08/25 03:22 PM
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Brother, that's less of a reflection on her than it is on you. Don't you see? If a girl did that for you, that means you're improving! You've got more momentum than you've ever had before and the worst thing you can do is squander that by wasting time obsessing over some chick that you've already lost. Better to ride that momentum to the next girl and maybe you'll get even farther with that one. Stop trying to jump to the finish line just because developing your game is challenging. The only way…
/r/seduction27/08/25 06:52 PM
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The highest success rate for that scenario is to tighten your first impression so you avoid being treated like that in the first place. Any attempt to turn the situation around after it's already happened is desperate and low self-esteem. Better to improve what you do when you first meet someone so you avoid it altogether. Which means moving on to other women, which, contrary to what you're asking us to teach you, is a very high self-esteem move.
/r/seduction27/08/25 11:36 AM
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The desperate guys who have infiltrated this sub hate this and any other piece of advice that tells them to actually have some self-esteem but this is the straight up truth. The message here is more valuable than most of the top posts from this month but it might not make it to the top because too many people here still kowtow to fear.
/r/seduction26/08/25 05:30 PM
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You think you need to talk in order to flirt? Its literally spelled out for you in the top comment here. Do you also think you need to buy into whatever she wants the vibe to be? See how you're outing yourself, hotshot?
/r/seduction24/08/25 06:57 AM
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Getting friendzoned is multifactoral. If you only listen to her complain then you get friendzoned. But if you listen to her complain but you're very flirty and challenging and you're escalating, no chance in hell you get friendzoned. If you think you can't do any of that while she's complaining then you need to talk to actual girls more often instead of theorizing alone in your room.
/r/seduction24/08/25 06:41 AM
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You can just straight up ask if you have balls and you do it at the right time. What I mean by "if you have balls" is not about having the balls to ask, that's easy. Its about being so secure in yourself regardless of whatever number she could give you that it shines through. That way you're more likely to get a real number without ruining the vibe of the conversation. Oh and the right time is when you are talking about your sexual history. And if you have balls, you can talk about that without …
/r/seduction24/08/25 06:32 AM
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Yeah but they still demonstrate the correct way to deliver the jokes and demonstrate certain behaviours that you can incorporate into your life. Also, most of the top guys can think on their feet. Ever see what happens when people try to heckle popular comics?
/r/seduction23/08/25 09:22 PM
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Craig Ferguson.
/r/seduction23/08/25 09:15 PM
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And people gave solutions that don't involve bothering her at work. How has your whiny comment helped?
/r/seduction22/08/25 07:28 AM
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You're welcome. Glad you appreciate it.
/r/seduction22/08/25 12:31 AM
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Lol. You sound socially disabled by how wrongly you're interpreting the guy's advice. I don't need your freebies btw, odds are, I've been dating longer and have more experience than you. You're lucky I'm even trying to set you straight.
/r/seduction22/08/25 12:28 AM
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Did you just skim his comment? He literally includes a question in his example and even proceeds to talk about how you can respond after she tells him about herself. A conversation is also back & forth. You share something about yourself, she shares something about her. Nothing wrong with starting that volley.
/r/seduction22/08/25 12:15 AM
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Are you learning anything about how to go about flirting? Because just approaching and DMing without any sense of direction is like trying to cook without any recipes or knowing how all the stuff in the kitchen works.
/r/seduction21/08/25 07:47 AM
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Both aren't great but boastful is worse because you're trying to prove yourself. You boasting is literally you telling everyone how great you are. When you're cocky you're not necessarily proactively telling everyone about yourself. Btw, it's called "Cocky-FUNNY" for a reason. There's a difference between just being cocky and being cocky-funny. Being cocky is just arrogance. Being cocky-funny is when you're only acting cocky to be humorous, not because you're actually full of yourself.
/r/seduction19/08/25 07:58 PM
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Rizzing is just gen z/alpha slang for seduction. But the randos who post videos of them "rizzing" girls are only doing things that look good to an audience, not stuff that actually gets the girl. What actually gets the girl is a lot less flashy and tryhard than the shit you see on tiktok.
/r/seduction08/08/25 04:46 AM
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A lot of women tell you they have a boyfriend because its a safer way to reject you than just outright saying they don't like you. There are some crazy guys out there, and although they're only a tiny minority, it only takes one to really fuck a woman up. So its very likely that not all the women who told you they have a boyfriend are being truthful about that. Which means you got no problem finding hot girls, you have a problem with being attractive to them. Continue to improve your game and im…
/r/seduction03/08/25 05:41 PM
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THANK YOU! Recent advice posts here make me feel like actual quality is coming back to this subreddit.
/r/seduction02/08/25 03:20 PM
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Why the fuck are you people downvoting this?? Just because he isn't giving you your instant gratification fix? No wonder so many guys fail at seduction. Everyone just wants a magic pill.
/r/seduction01/08/25 06:06 PM
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Then what I said in the last paragraph applies. Seriously. Anyone with a decent social life in 2025 knows that "Maybe" girls are the norm. I've been cold approaching since 2013 and "maybe" girls still make up the majority of the ones I've slept with to this day. This is one of the reasons why I'd rather caution guys on Models than recommend it. It doesn't actually make you a better communicator, it just encourages you to play it safe, and your relationships, not only with women but in general, s…
/r/seduction01/08/25 08:40 AM
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Nah man i know everything about indirect game u gradually reward her or show intent but how to pull her home . I get stuck after qualifying her. You definitely don't know everything about that. The majority of books on game have chapters on pulling, the majority of channels on seduction have videos on pulling too. Even this subreddit has tons of posts on pulling. You don't even need to know everything, just learn a little more than you know now and you'll have things sorted.
/r/seduction01/08/25 05:55 AM
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Ah there it is. That's the thing you've left out that got people disagreeing. When you're on Tinder where you're extremely limited in your ability to communicate with her, of course your usual option is to rely on strong initial attraction. But anything in-person like social circle, cold approach, or even a date from Tinder and other apps, nah. There isn't just "Yes" and "No" girls. The vast majority of women that guys get with from meeting in-person are "Maybe" girls.
/r/seduction01/08/25 05:08 AM
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That's another fatal flaw of Models. Because anything other than being extremely passive is seen as "forcing" a connection. Seriously, is the diehard fanbase of Models all on the spectrum? Because if you had at least a bearable social life growing up, you would have seen couples getting together all the time after there wasn't a lot of initial attraction from the woman. In fact, in high school, I only know one person who got a girlfriend in less than a month. I was bullied growing up and yet I s…
/r/seduction30/07/25 02:17 PM
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Can I post links on here? I don’t want to break a rule and get kicked out. Yes, you can. Fact check me on that. Check the rules. For some to help out others who are in the same boat as they were. Some to brag and troll. And you think that should be the majority of people who make up this sub?
/r/seduction30/07/25 04:27 AM
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Mostly studies Link? This page at most should have around 150,000-200,000 members with most struggling. The other 575,000 members should be dating and having a romantic life Why would most people continue to hang around here if they've already achieved the things that this sub can help you achieve?
/r/seduction29/07/25 05:26 PM
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How do you know that? Did you look into actual studies or just anecdotal stuff? Remember, there's an availability bias when it comes to social media. Like when people say kids nowadays do a lot more stupid shit, when in reality, it's not any more bad than before, it just has more exposure now because of social media. Maybe that's what you're seeing. More guys may be broadcasting their dating issues to the world now but that doesn't mean there wasn't this many guys with the same issues 10 years a…
/r/seduction29/07/25 04:22 PM
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The thing is, you're saying that from the position of a guy who self-admittedly has no dating life. So there isn't a lot of credibility there, because you can't really tell what kind of men dating shouldn't be impossible for.
/r/seduction29/07/25 03:47 PM
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When did you start dating though? I started more than 10 years ago so I can at least compare that time to this time, and it's actually easier for me now. Oh the women are just as picky. Yes, don't believe all the chatter online and all the pseudo theories, they were already this picky in 2015. They were this picky in 2011, before Tinder. What makes it easier now has nothing to do with how the women are but everything to do with how to meet them and how to communicate with them. Yes, they're pick…
/r/seduction29/07/25 02:42 PM
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Oh I see. Appreciate the clarification.
/r/seduction28/07/25 12:34 AM
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There's logical reasoning behind attraction but we aren't analysing a woman's measurements before deciding we're attracted to her, we see her and we feel attraction or we don't, even before we admit it to ourselves. You honestly believe that guys can identify anyone's measurements or proportions just by looking at them? As in put in accurate numerical figures. That's why makeup and clothing that creates the illusion of a better body is effective. Women wouldn't use these things if guys were comp…
/r/seduction28/07/25 12:10 AM
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For real. A lot of guys are thinking in terms of what they think is attractive. That's great if you wanna attract guys, not so good if you wanna attract women. Another part of it is it's a cop out. Clearly for a lot of guys, meeting lots of women, trying to become more emotionally intelligent and actually understand women is a lot harder than doing a dropset from hell on Squats in the gym or pulling an all nighter working on a project. They wanna pat themselves on the back for technically being …
/r/seduction27/07/25 11:58 PM
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I was just empathising with the other guy. I did mention that there are ways to avoid the issue of the friend interfering, I just chose not to spend too much time talking about that because it's not the main thing I wanted to tell the other guy. Also, you don't need to make it quick and you don't have to spend the most time talking to the girl you like. Making her feel special and/or making your interest in her very clear has nothing to do with attraction and is optional at best. Just talk to bo…
/r/seduction27/07/25 05:10 PM
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You were saying? Let's talk now: If you're speaking from experience then you're just bad at cold approach. If you think you're not bad at cold approach, that's only because you're the only one judging yourself. If someone significantly more experienced judged you and they were honest, they'd tell you that you're bad at it. But I think you're not even speaking from experience.
/r/seduction27/07/25 04:52 PM
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Guys here are so hypocritical. They come up with all kinds of excuses for why getting a dating coach is pointless but then they go and DM or even just ask random people out here in the open to basically coach them with follow up question after follow up question on posts. Some even have the gall to just go, "And?" Its clear that the ONLY issue guys have with coaching is that it costs them money. Got no problem throwing away cash on gaming consoles, PCs, the latest iPhone every year when their ol…
/r/seduction27/07/25 11:42 AM
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Am I not allowed to sleep around as long as I want? Besides, I'm only 30.
/r/seduction27/07/25 10:36 AM
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You either suck at cold approach or you have little to no actual experience at it. I've been cold approaching since 2013 and once I got over the initial awkward stage of trying to get the hang of things, the negative reactions from approaching 2 women hanging out has been the exception rather than the norm. 2 women is challenging because one of them will naturally get less attention and might try to sabotage things because of it but that happens later in the interaction and there's a lot you can…
/r/seduction27/07/25 08:09 AM
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Found the incel.
/r/seduction26/07/25 09:57 AM
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What you wrote here is exponentially better than the common response of "Reeeeee! PUA Evil! PUA Scam!!!"
/r/seduction25/07/25 11:06 AM
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I don't but careful, people on this subreddit hate it when you bring up something that's actually helpful.
/r/seduction25/07/25 04:23 AM
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Then how are they fucking a lot?
/r/seduction24/07/25 02:03 AM
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That's only you personally. I've done it many times and I've even seen a girl share her food with a friend of mine who did it. Its not a question of what situation they approached you in. Its a question of how they went about it.
/r/seduction22/07/25 09:58 PM
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Don't worry about the lack of upvotes. A lot of people here don't like it when someone's actually taking action, but there are those who still support the hustle. 👊
/r/seduction22/07/25 05:43 AM
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What's next is you use your brain. I don't wanna make a false assumption about you so let me ask you a question, would you pay to work with a dating coach or not?
/r/seduction20/07/25 10:08 PM
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I would be considered an old school guy since I started in 2013 but unlike others here, I'm actually not against this kind of thing. Its not unethical and if it works, it works. I also don't see an issue with this even for beginners who can't come up with stuff on their own because it forces you into dates so you're held accountable to practice talking to girls in that way. So what if you get embarrassed on dates the first few times? So what if the first few girls will think you're really weird?…
/r/seduction20/07/25 12:40 PM
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Awesome advice and this isn't a knock on you but more on the state of seduction in general but... You have the bragging right of, I can not only approach a girl in not only a group This used to be standard. Approaching groups didn't give anyone bragging rights 10 years ago. Cmon guys, you need to do better.
/r/seduction20/07/25 02:51 AM
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That's quite black and white thinking. No one is downplaying looks. People here just say looks aren't everything, and that's accurate. If the percieved disparity is large enough between a woman and a man then looks can carry everything for that particular situation but with a smaller disparity, they simply can't. Also, most people here do give importance to their looks because "not everything" ≠ "nothing", they just don't neglect their game and their status as well.
/r/seduction16/07/25 11:46 AM
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Its not. Its un-earned interest that is. Wanna know how it feels? Its like trying to play a bunch of video games but always winning before you've done anything meaningful. That's why hot women in particular are so annoyed by it. Because they have so many simps showing them interest for free. The typical man's understanding of dating is also way off. Your interest in her has nothing to do with her interest in you. You gotta stop feeling the need to make sure a girl knows you like her. Women lust …
/r/seduction10/07/25 12:30 AM
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Just type this into ChatGPT: "This is what I do, (describe your work in detail). Phrase it in a way that a 5 year old will understand and think is cool."
/r/seduction10/07/25 12:15 AM
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As someone who has a lot of experience and success in seduction, I've found that unfortunately Models only teaches you how to play a numbers game and teaches you to be happy when you plateau. Its great early on, if you're still having zero success but once you get past that and find yourself stuck on something like being able to get a one night stand but girls never want to see you again after, or you can occasionally get girls but its not the girls you're really interested in, or you managed to…
/r/seduction09/07/25 09:20 AM
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There are people who aren't obsessed with sex, you know. I talk to old ladies because I just like talking to people.
/r/seduction08/07/25 06:40 PM
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If you're the only one who thinks you're truly confident then odds are, you aren't. Should you care about what some randos think of you then? No. But you should care about what the people you look up to and admire the most think of you. If they don't think you're truly confident, then you aren't. This is the problem with trying to be self-taught with this, some guy that's bad with with women can't just suddenly identify when they're doing things right. I'm not telling you to get a dating coach b…
/r/seduction07/07/25 04:06 PM
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Even the professional PUA coaches get rejected again and again Misleading wording. Even professional PUA coaches get rejected. Period. Not again and again. Game does make your success rate go up. But better success rate ≠ flawless success rate. A bunch of bitter people just like to falsely use the existence of rejections as evidence to say Game doesn't work. But that's like saying LeBron misses baskets too so he sucks. Even guys with the best game get rejected but they have a far lower rejection…
/r/seduction05/07/25 04:27 PM
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Do you mean that qualification is something about your attitude, where you assess or evaluate her and the connection? Or is it something you say to her? There is definitely a mindset behind it but the word "Qualification" refers to something you're proactively doing, which is having her prove herself to you. "you look nice, do you have a nice personality too?" she replied "thanks handsome, i don't promise, you have to discover that." This is a little bit of Qualification but not enough. I wouldn…
/r/seduction04/07/25 08:39 PM
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How can you be too confident or too bold? Both those things are positive traits. The only way I would see an excess in confidence or boldness as a bad thing is if you do something like try to seduce a girl you know is involved in some shady shit and you continue to go for it amid all the warning signs. How do you do it in dating apps? Because I fit my qualification in seamlessly in my cold approaches. The stuff I already mentioned is literally how I go about it. Surely starting it out by asking …
/r/seduction04/07/25 04:16 PM
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Depends on the course but I think what you're trying to say is marketing can certainly fool you into buying something that isn't that great, which is true. That's why if you really want to help, I believe you need to strike a balance between getting clicks and reads, and teaching guys here reality.
/r/seduction03/07/25 08:59 PM
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Oh. I'm a marketer as well. But my issue with that is that most people here aren't and don't understand the difference between marketing and reality. Most people here are socially awkward too, so there will definitely be a bunch of guys who will take your post too literally. It also doesn't help the state of the subreddit that currently has a problem with over-simplification. Look at the top comment here for example.
/r/seduction03/07/25 08:48 PM
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Personally I believe in 80/20 rule and I think this covers the 20% that make 80% of the difference. I get that. I'm a big Tim Ferriss fan. I wouldn't have added anything, because I don't believe all of dating advice can be condensed into one post, nor can you address everyone's issue with one post. Like I said, that actual advice is great. But I would remove something instead, I already mentioned it above, just the presentation of the post as if it's the solution to all people's dating problems.
/r/seduction03/07/25 08:37 PM
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Alright, I respect it. This was actually a better breakdown than I was expecting. The only thing that I can't get behind is the title and how you're presenting this post overall. These are excellent tips but you're overselling them by saying this is the only post to read to attract girls. The advice here covers a good number of situations and it can be enough for some guys to be completely satisfied with their dating life but it certainly does not cover everything that you'll face in dating, nor…
/r/seduction03/07/25 08:12 PM
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Oh yeah, sure, people will certainly know to interact with women the same way OP is illustrating in his examples based on these statements. /s
/r/seduction03/07/25 07:57 PM
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I'm glad you still know that. But more people should too. As a community, we need to turn things back around and go back to the time when we overpowered the "Rule 1 and 2" people and the "Just talk to girls" people.
/r/seduction02/07/25 04:03 PM
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The real problem these days is that people think Confidence and Looks are the only 2 factors because the incels, the different colored pills, the lazy over-simplifiers, and the PUA hate squad have slandered Seduction so much that it's extremely watered down to the point that new people getting into it think it's basically just confidence. Around 20 years from now a new dating coach will make waves in the media the way Mystery and Neil Strauss did and people will react like its the first time som…
/r/seduction02/07/25 03:43 PM
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So? You can just dump a woman like that.
/r/seduction01/07/25 10:34 PM
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Its only a pain when you're mediocre at it. You sound like you're getting some success, keep improving those flirting skills and pretty soon it'll be easy.
/r/seduction01/07/25 08:20 AM
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Uh...the example I gave is absolutely not as extreme as Mystery. 😂 Seriously, you gotta stop with the black and white talk man. I read the Mystery Method multiple times. How I understand DHV stories is how Mystery described them. Not from copying his examples, but from what he specifically describes in the book, in the sections where he's actually teaching you how to do it. Your understanding of Mystery's DHV stories sounds more off than mine. Like I get it, you don't like the routines Mystery u…
/r/seduction30/06/25 10:08 PM
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I think you're replying to the wrong person man.
/r/seduction30/06/25 09:36 PM
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I'm specifically talking about embedding DHVs into stories. If you DHV by doing something cool, that's great. But if we do DHV stories specifically the way Mystery taught them, where you structure your stories in way where you got DHVs planted in, like, "I was just BSing with my friends when all of a sudden I get a massive bear hug from behind and when I turn to look, it's this girl I used to have a crush on in high school" then it hasn't really been beneficial in my experience and there are a b…
/r/seduction30/06/25 09:34 PM
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I wouldn't be so sure about that. Specify recent studies. I said this to ChatGPT and it gave me studies from 2022-2025: I'd actually prefer the most recent studies on women's attitudes toward cold approach. If you don't mind, please include links and at least the years that these studies were done. Like I said, gotta be specific. Edit: Also, from a self-esteem perspective, you can always just test it for yourself and find out.
/r/seduction30/06/25 09:21 PM
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I'm referring to embedding DHVs into your stories and using routines and gambits like Mystery and Style used to teach. If that's not what you're thinking about then I got no issue with what you do. Btw, you can absolutely tell an interesting and captivating story without "embedding DHVs" into it.
/r/seduction30/06/25 09:17 PM
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Well you mentioned a bunch of other good stuff like qualification, frames, jokes, kino, leading and pacing, compliance ladders, etc. Those may have been used since the old school days but got carried over to today and are still great. Kinda like how touch screens are a really old school thing but are still great today. I appreciate how you clarified the meanings of the things I said were obsolete though. I got no issue with eliciting values if that's your definition of it. I thought you were ref…
/r/seduction30/06/25 09:14 PM
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Yeah man, you gotta be specific when you ask these AIs.
/r/seduction30/06/25 09:01 PM
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Like I said, I got no issue with outer game as long as people don't think outer game is mostly just looks. Outer game is more the stuff you've listed. Although, I'm not too sure about stuff like DHVs, elicited value, and games/hand games. Sounds like old school obsolete stuff.
/r/seduction30/06/25 07:58 PM
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As long as you don't think outer game is 90% or even 50% looks then I agree with what you're saying.
/r/seduction30/06/25 07:43 PM
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Dude, its not a big deal. Most guys who talk shit about emojis are virgins, as long as you aren't going crazy with it like the examples from other commenters here, you're fine.
/r/seduction30/06/25 07:19 PM
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Artificial, desperate, and manufactured? And what, dating apps are natural? 🤣 Women don't like being approached in a SHITTY way. The unfortunate thing about this situation is that if you're bad at cold approach, you have no way to prove your friend wrong. But I'll tell you, as a guy who stopped being bad at cold approach way back in 2015, women absolutely love being cold approached when its done well. Not even just from a dating or sexual satisfaction standpoint, even just from having a good day…
/r/seduction30/06/25 06:54 PM
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Golden advice. But I can see the responses now. "YoU mUsT Be ExTrEmeLy GoOd LoOkiNg."
/r/seduction28/06/25 09:20 PM
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How do you learn flirting? That question is exactly what this subreddit answers. Use it.
/r/seduction28/06/25 07:47 AM
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Dude, if I'm getting a girl who acts like this and we're not having sex yet, I'm just thinking, "Oh, it's one of the crazy ones. Next!" Literally had an FWB who told me I changed on the very first night we met (and had sex). Like "Bitch, what do you mean I've changed? You don't know me." Then after that night she proceeds to tell me she's gonna stick around til I commit to her, even though I told her I'm sleeping with other women, and in my head I'm just like, "I'm just gonna fuck you til I've h…
/r/seduction26/06/25 11:37 PM
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And my point is there isn't just one 10 for each man. There are many. If you genuinely believe there's only one 10 for you, you're just living in desperation and have shitty self-esteem, hence, pathetic.
/r/seduction26/06/25 11:15 PM
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No shit. That's the case for basically everyone. The ones less attractive than us want us, the ones on our level require some effort. You just aren't putting in enough effort. Not with any individual girl, but effort into improving your overall flirting ability. If your flirting skills were tight, any individual 8-10 would be easy.
/r/seduction26/06/25 11:12 PM
1

EXACTLY!
/r/seduction26/06/25 03:34 PM
1

In order to create a spark with women, I - need to use proper seduction tips right ? Yes. But I can tell you're someone who refuses to do that because.... Iguess a Spark" is when the guy says the right thingS to seduce properly eh? This ^ is way off. Only an ignorant person would think seduction is a script or a bunch of magic words. We're not in 2003 anymore. Either accept your fate with dating and stop whining about it or get off your high horse and actually take seduction seriously.
/r/seduction26/06/25 03:32 PM
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What, just started dating OP? I started in 2013. I don't even need to recover anymore, because I takes me months to develop feelings for a woman other than my dick getting hard. I've needed to recover from breakups with women I spent years with but just some chick I texted for a week or two? Man get that childish shit outa here!
/r/seduction26/06/25 02:23 PM
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This is such a pathetic way of thinking. There are tons of regular women who are hotter than Dua Lipa. She only looks the way she looks now because she got rich and is able to pay for the expensive makeup, clothes, stylists, private chefs, personal trainers, skin treatments, "medical procedures", etc. If you ran into her before she made it you would have walked right past her as you're staring at a different girl. Look around you man. There are tons of women to go around. You're just too innocen…
/r/seduction26/06/25 02:19 PM
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Sure. The other guy talked about approaching direct. When you do that, you can just start the qualification process from the very beginning by saying things like, "I just wanted to come meet you because you're really hot. Hopefully you have the personality to back that up though." Sounds risky, right? So does going direct in and of itself. If she doesn't take well to your intentions, that interaction is still not going anywhere, regardless of whether you question her personality or not. And if s…
/r/seduction25/06/25 04:46 PM
1

Exactly what I'm saying man. It's so easy and meaningless, because it's not that hard to do and it doesn't increase the chance of the woman staying in touch with you by much.
/r/seduction25/06/25 04:19 PM
2

Well if you think you're gonna get rejected and you actually put in meaningful effort and you still get rejected, wouldn't that change nothing? If you're at rock bottom, you got nothing to lose. So why not just play to win? Also, people are gonna talk about how being a try-hard is a bad thing. And I agree. It is....when you're trying too hard for a specific girl. But when your mindset is more focused on developing the skill of cold approach then there's absolutely nothing wrong with trying hard …
/r/seduction25/06/25 01:31 PM
2

The only thing missing there is an engaging conversation and Qualification. Asking questions simply isn't enough. You gotta learn how to make things flirty and playful. I just read a bunch of posts here about teasing in the past few days. Actually take time to learn that stuff and actually put it into practice instead of forgetting all about it when you go and approach someone. Also, with Qualification, when you can really make a girl feel like you're actually judging her, like there's genuinely…
/r/seduction25/06/25 01:22 PM
1

I don't think you've tried not half-assing cold approach for long enough. Like I said, they don't even guard their numbers that much. Even if they had a boyfriend they wouldn't be too stressed about giving their number to a guy they had a decent interaction with, because to them, that isn't even a guarantee that they will cheat, because they can just chose not to reply or block you later on. Besides, "I have a boyfriend" is often just a soft rejection, because you didn't approach her well, becau…
/r/seduction25/06/25 01:10 PM
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If you're only asking about getting contact details, mine's at 90%+. A number or a woman's socials aren't that significant and they don't guard it as much. Its so easy to block someone or ignore their texts and if its social media, that's just another free follower if she isn't that interested. As long as you aren't slacking off and over-simplifying cold approach, you'll get to that success rate in no time. The reason guys have lower success rates is because they're half-assing cold approach. I …
/r/seduction25/06/25 10:54 AM
1

Now you know why women are so indirect when it comes to rejection.
/r/seduction24/06/25 10:14 AM
2

Ah yes, waste time trying to rediscover something that has already been discovered by so many people before. Better to take years to get good at conversation rather than months. /s
/r/seduction23/06/25 09:13 PM
2

Thanks! This one works.
/r/seduction23/06/25 09:03 PM
6

Where are the comments like this under "prank" videos?
/r/seduction23/06/25 12:24 PM
1

Link doesn't work.
/r/seduction23/06/25 12:23 PM
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I agree 100% but I want to add that if I get a question like that from a girl, I'm immediately putting her in the, "Just for fucking" category.
/r/seduction22/06/25 01:03 PM
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Shut up. You clearly didn't read enough of the advice here because you're grossly misrepresenting it. Also, I don't doubt that you have had experiences where you were complimented by a guy and that made you want him more but you don't know why it made you feel that way. The stuff you skimmed and didn't properly digest here is why you felt that way.
/r/seduction21/06/25 07:36 PM
1

No, you're good. But that's interesting. Maybe it has more to do with their availability. Like someone has more time to text later in the day as things are winding down. Are these from women you've just met in person or from dating apps? In my experience, as long as we're having a back & forth, things get flirty, even in the morning.
/r/seduction21/06/25 10:35 AM
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This......is NEXT FUCKING LEVEL! Amazing!
/r/seduction21/06/25 12:33 AM
1

If you have an awesome profile it is.
/r/seduction20/06/25 06:50 PM
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Also, treat texting women like vampires, only when the moon is out What's your reasoning behind this?
/r/seduction20/06/25 05:54 PM
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No. I don't rely on dating apps for my dating life. I've always looked at them like just an optional side quest. Not to be confused with disliking apps. I love them, get laid a ton off of them and think most of the criticisms of apps here are dumb, but they were just never a priority to me, nor were they ever a necessity either. I look at dating apps more like Doordash. If I'm feeling lazy, I'll just use this app that makes things so convenient.
/r/seduction20/06/25 05:48 PM
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Ok. Just making sure. The other guy only thinks he can't get women because of his looks because he's constantly exposed to successful guys that don't look like him on social media and other places on the internet, but those are not realistic representations of the world, they're skewed.
/r/seduction20/06/25 01:13 PM
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I can't explain to someone who doesn't understand the availability bias. Do you understand it? And not through using the name as a clue, through actually looking into it, because the name isn't a good clue to what it actually is.
/r/seduction20/06/25 11:55 AM
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Look up the availability bias. That's how your mind is playing tricks on you.
/r/seduction20/06/25 10:56 AM
1

This is one of those posts where you can get a sense of how many guys on this sub will be successful at improving their dating life and how many will fail. Oh OP, I would love to see the analytics of this post, because the percentage that's positive is gonna be a very good reflection of the percentage of guys on this sub who will succeed and the negative percentage is gonna be a very good reflection of those who will fail. The guys with the negative comments here are either gonna fail or they're…
/r/seduction19/06/25 09:49 PM
1

One thing you need to understand is this sub and the ideas from members aren't necessarily unified or in agreement with each other. Yes, some members might have learned from the same resources but it's not like those resources are required reading for this subreddit and it's not like everyone even agrees and disagrees with all the same resources. Think of this place more like the Dating Advice subreddit, just more thought through. At the end of the day, its still just a bunch of individuals with…
/r/seduction17/06/25 05:53 PM
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I don't agree with a lot of the post but I don't believe this is overthinking at all. Seems like these days, if someone just uses their brain at all, they get accused of over thinking. A very black and white mindset is developing on this subreddit. Oh and you know what a black and white mindset is an example of? Over-simplifying. And that is just as bad as overcomplicating things. There's nothing wrong with actually using your brain. You should be able to think and analyse dating a little bit. H…
/r/seduction17/06/25 02:46 PM
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Yeah, you're good. I just think using planned "techniques" is a slippery slope for a lot of guys to accidentally come off too strong if they're not already pretty charismatic. To me this isn't that big of a problem though. So you'll go overboard and get rejected a few times? No biggie. Being a perfectionist and playing not to lose is a lot worse. Its better to push through the awkward phases of experimentation and make massive improvements through that than play it too safe and only make margina…
/r/seduction16/06/25 07:31 PM
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Personally I think over thinking kino is a bad idea I believe this is a bit too black and white way of thinking. Just because OP is thinking about escalation at all doesn't automatically mean he's overthinking it. Oversimplification is just as bad as overcomplicating this. You should be able to think and analyse dating a little bit. Having a clear understanding of things will also make you better with women.
/r/seduction16/06/25 06:44 PM
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People are probably gonna hate that I'm saying this but use ChatGPT to help you decide. I told it to look into formal studies that indicate which dating apps have lead to the most relationships in the past 3 years and Hinge is at the top of that list. You could probably refine that down even more into looking into which apps are best for your particular city.
/r/seduction15/06/25 05:55 PM
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I don't think you read his comment properly.
/r/seduction13/06/25 10:40 PM
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Girl, if you believe in your ability to spot warning signs, that's fine. But don't try to mystify women in general. I've been seducing and involved with hundreds of women for over 10 years, I realised all that mysticism was an illusion a long time ago. Women do have a head start against men when it comes to social intelligence but the extent that you talked about it just now and how a lot of women talk up their social skills are just delusions of grandeur.
/r/seduction12/06/25 06:45 PM
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Yeah it helps as a filtering tool. The fuckboys will definitely be filtered out for the most part. But the men who will pass through that filter don't necessarily like you that much as a person, rather, they just don't have many other options and they're falling victim to the sunk cost fallacy. They like you only because of how much time and effort they put into you, not necessarily because of how compatible you are with each other. I've met tons of guys who will talk so much shit about how anno…
/r/seduction12/06/25 05:54 PM
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That's a misconception. Sleeping with someone quickly doesn't make men lose respect for women and making men wait does not increase the chances that a man will commit to you. Don't use those manipulative methods. Instead, if you want to be seen as wife material, work on yourself and become a better person. Learn to genuinely appreciate men and treat men well and they will commit to you.
/r/seduction12/06/25 04:32 PM
1

Why?
/r/seduction11/06/25 10:27 PM
1

You mean if you happen to start flirting with her when she's ovulating, trying to spite someone like her parents or ex, hasn't had sex in a year, or is a nympho and a guy like you happens to be her flavor of the week? Just how safe do guys like you wanna play it??
/r/seduction11/06/25 01:23 AM
4

Now that's just straight up projection.
/r/seduction10/06/25 06:09 PM
5

You should take your own advice. You need to get out more than that guy. He isn't the one who struggles with girls just because she's with friends.
/r/seduction10/06/25 05:49 PM
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What are you talking about? I've done it regularly for 10 years with at least the same success rate as approaching girls on their own. Avoiding groups is only an issue in this 2020s era of seduction, not because girls have changed but because you guys have slandered older teachings to the point that you've forgotten that approaching groups is actually one of the standard lessons. Groups were as normal as solo girls in the 2010s. No one even made a distinction back then, we just saw the girl we w…
/r/seduction10/06/25 07:38 AM
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Aww. That's adorable. You think you've sealed the deal just because she lets you finger her?
/r/seduction10/06/25 07:19 AM
1

And a 'maybe girl' is on the fence and could be convinced to sleep with you? Not convinced, seduced. Convincing people isn't game, it just making an argument. When you convince someone, you basically lay out a bunch of reasons why they should be with you and try to logically justify those reasons. When you seduce, you simply stimulate a girl in a way that makes her feel what you want her to feel. You say and do things that make her comfortable with you, you say and do things that make things pla…
/r/seduction09/06/25 05:29 PM
1

so you're saying that approaching loads is more about working out how to game certain 'types' of girls and working out what 'type' they are faster? Not necessarily. I don't know how much game you understand but there's no different types of game for different types of people. Just like the objective of tennis doesn't change depending on the angle the ball is coming at you from, as long as it isn't headed outside the lines of the court, and the objective doesn't change based on the opponent you'r…
/r/seduction09/06/25 05:09 PM
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That would make sense if in tennis, every ball that gets hit in your direction always takes the exact same path with the exact same speed. Yes, there is variation but women aren't so drastically different that more repetitions will be a waste of time. Its already been established here for around a decade that going by a very rigid method of interacting with women is a mistake. We already approach with adjusting to the individual in mind. Meeting different individuals just improves your ability t…
/r/seduction09/06/25 01:18 PM
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Its a reasonable number when you consider other skills and how many repetitions it takes to become competent in them. Imagine trying to compete in a local tennis tournament after having only 50 swings of the racket in actual play under your belt. I'd say frequency is also important. 450 approaches in 5 months is good but 450 in 5 years is terrible. Ain't no way anyone is getting good at anything with only 2 repetitions a month.
/r/seduction09/06/25 12:46 PM
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I have. I know a girl I only see once every few years. We've hooked up every time we met back up. As long as none of you have any hang ups with casual sex and you're both still attracted to each other, I don't see why it would be an issue.
/r/seduction09/06/25 12:35 PM
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With all due respect, speak for yourself. Just because you're the same sex as the people we're attracted to doesn't mean you know how all women feel. Also, the stuff you said on being present, calm, and grounded, and how confidence isn't loud isn't new here. We've valued that kind of behavior for 10+ years already. Try to familiarise yourself more with this place before giving advice. These recent advice posts from newbies to the sub are quite redundant and just keeping it on a plateu rather tha…
/r/seduction09/06/25 12:17 PM
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That's like saying, "I'd advise against worrying about trying a specific workout program. Just lift. That's all." You can test things and see what works for you and what doesn't. What OP described here is hardly obsession and more like an objective way to examine the different options out there. If he was obsessed, he would have just stuck to one of these guys no matter what, instead of looking at the results and deciding to try something new.
/r/seduction09/06/25 10:30 AM
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No, I'm from there. My permanent residence is in Austin Texas now but I have a job that allows me to travel year round so if I feel like hanging out back home, I will.
/r/seduction09/06/25 04:56 AM
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I will however shit on a man who after learning that he can improve (whether that's 1% or 100%) refuses to do so, and worse he acts like the world owes him something for not putting in work. I basically hate doomers. I respect that. Those people are a lot less respectable than the ones who are actually putting in work.
/r/seduction09/06/25 04:52 AM
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Some men grow up with good cards for dating, even the shy ones who suddenly get tons of success once they change a handful of simple things. Other men grow up with shit cards so they have to put in more work to be successful at dating. Is that so hard to understand?? All these recent attacks against guys who need to be taught the nuances of dating just come off as privileged takes from the guys who have good cards. So you were already 80% there. Good for you. Stop attacking guys who are only at …
/r/seduction08/06/25 07:04 PM
1

Of course you'd want to believe that. It's easier to blame a problem that's no longer here than to come to terms with the fact that people are already simplifying things and still failing.
/r/seduction07/06/25 07:51 PM
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It's wild that you people celebrate this advice as if it makes any difference here, as if this sub is actually guilty of overcomplicating things in 2025. Go ahead, arrange by top posts this year. I'm willing to bet none of the top 20 posts sound anything like rocket science and are as simple as the advice given in this one. This sub is turning into a PUA Hate circlejerk. You people continue to attack Mystery Method and any of the methods that relied on scripts and lines as if they're still here …
/r/seduction07/06/25 06:31 PM
0

Nope. OP's the correct one here.
/r/seduction07/06/25 11:04 AM
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The "if she likes you" stuff from guys here are such cop outs for playing it safe. They either want a safe bet or they wanna bail to spare their fragile egos. They always use shit like, "Do you think she won't have time for Brad Pitt?" But that analogy in an of itself pokes holes all over their entire argument. Because the reality is, there's levels to liking someone. You take any guy here and he can list multiple women he would like to fuck and at the same time, he can also arrange them in orde…
/r/seduction06/06/25 05:44 PM
1

There's 2 things I'll say on this. First, I didn't know who Marlon was so I looked him up and found a clip of him doing "walk by rizz" on a girl that just graduated. What I'll say on that is if he looked the same but was the janitor of that graduation, he wouldn't get any women but if a famous streamer like say, Jack Doherty (I think he sucks too but I don't watch streams and he's the only not good looking streamer I could think of) shows up, he will definitely get a bunch of girls. (unfortunate…
/r/seduction06/06/25 07:13 AM
1

This is less of a problem with the seduction community and more of a problem with men who have never heard of the seduction community. Your comments about pickup lines also show how little you actually understand about what's taught here. The stuff you find on google aint it girl.
/r/seduction04/06/25 04:48 AM
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Tried that. Its not there yet. It only manages to have a surface level understanding of the advice, like reading the back of a novel for the summary instead of the novel itself. It still has to be taught by the actual person to give you anything meaningful.
/r/seduction04/06/25 03:48 AM
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So sad that this sub needs to be taught the signs that she isn't interested. But I get it. This comment is nothing against you OP. I know how many men on here just hold on to hope no matter how shitty they get treated.
/r/seduction03/06/25 05:53 PM
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The fact that you think being brave is toxic masculinity is the source of your problems. I'm sorry but you're just looking for a cheat code, for an easy way out, and that's a lot more toxic than being brave. After all, the brave way to make money is to earn it by making an honest living, the cheat is to scam people or to steal. An easy way to get attractive women is to pay for it. You think that's less toxic than just being courageous?
/r/seduction03/06/25 05:51 PM
1

I mean, its so easy for any legitimate dating coach, like Todd V, to teach Chat GPT how to seduce women and that thing will do even better than him.
/r/seduction03/06/25 05:46 PM
0

What do you mean 'im in my feelings', where have I ever given that indication. The fact that you refuse to recognise that seduction techniques are effective and your only evidence is personal experience. The experience of a single person doesn't exactly mean much when there are 7 billion other people. I've been successful with women, I have never had to use any method or technique. It boils down to whether they like your vibe and are attracted to you, that's it, that's all I've used. You don't p…
/r/seduction03/06/25 10:02 AM
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If people effectively use public speaking techniques, therapy techniques, teaching techniques, customer service techniques, sales techniques, acting techniques, etc etc etc then there's no reason why seduction techniques would be the only exception and thing that doesn't work. People like you are too in your feelings. You only think like this because we're talking about Dating, something that's so romanticised and idealized. You desperately want to believe that this is out of your control, so th…
/r/seduction03/06/25 09:35 AM
5

This particular thread is the definition of "Tell me your dating life is shit without telling me your dating life is shit." The fact that this is the top comment here shows how out of touch most people on this sub are. Look, I'm in my 30s, been dating for 10+ years. I know what its like to have phone numbers be the standard mode of communication but if you think women under 40, and even well adjusted guys, have it as the standard today, you must not get out very often. Nowadays, I only get actua…
/r/seduction02/06/25 03:41 AM
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This is just backwards rationalisation. Instead of going in the right order: Masculine men = Behaves a certain way, people who say what you said went backwards: A lot of males behave a certain way = must be masculine. No matter how you dress it up with masculine things, at the end of the day, simping is simping. Even if you have better boundaries and don't stoop as low as people who buy bathwater or pay thousands for a hug, you're still simping by having the mindset of chasing, you're just not g…
/r/seduction01/06/25 04:29 AM
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As long as people understand that there is still value in reading books, that's fine. The problem with saying "experience is the best teacher" is that it's often mistaken for "experience is the only teacher" but saying you can just read models and do great at dating is like saying you can read an introductory book on dancing and you'll do great at dancing. The lucky 10-20% may be able to pull that off but that's exactly what causes the survivorship bias I mentioned above.
/r/seduction31/05/25 08:53 PM
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The stuff OP wrote is outdated now and there are much better options but Models is oversimplified and really is just glorified getting lucky. The guys that swear by it simply have survivorship bias because they happened to luck out and make it out on the other side with a better dating life but that doesn't mean it's the resource that will help the highest percentage of men. And even the men it does help only reap the benefits for a limited period and if they get into a relationship for a while,…
/r/seduction31/05/25 02:05 PM
1

This. 100%. Its not like she stops thinking of you as a human just because you're texting her. People aren't as limited in their ability to process things as OP makes it sound.
/r/seduction29/05/25 05:37 AM
2

Improving yourself so that regardless of her upbringing or attraction level, you can confidently meet, attract, and have healthy relationships with the women you prefer? What's the benefit of developing that ability? Having the ability to sleep with any woman, sure, because it gives you the power to choose. But having to develop the ability to make it work with anyone? You shouldn't get into relationships with someone who needs you to make it work, you should get into relationships with people w…
/r/seduction27/05/25 04:22 AM
1

Most guys who aren't ready cannot tell when they are ready, even if they really think they are. Even if it's a really strong gut feeling. The best judge for whether you're ready for something in dating is either a guy with a high body count or an attractive woman. If the only people in your life who tell you you're ready are guys with low to zero body count then you aren't ready.
/r/seduction26/05/25 12:14 PM
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But this isn’t the best way to get girlfriends or whatever since this “referral system” doesn’t really happen. No, it's a thing. You were able to have female friends but you didn't get good enough at making friends with women that you're able to choose your friends. Female friends were either too deep into knowing me that they won’t “refer” me (knowing a mountain of flaws) or got too possessive of me (even if they won’t give me a chance or if they want to — they’re making it too difficult) These…
/r/seduction26/05/25 01:33 AM
1

No, I agree 100%. Oversimplification is basically a disease on this sub. It's just that in practice, 99.9% of the time, people who do well on weekend courses drop down a few levels once they go home. And I'm saying this as someone who has had coaching since 2013, attended 4 different programs and have 5 dating coaches who are personal friends of mine. Absolutely don't be an emotional dumbass who has Disney-like, idealistic views on dating like most members here but even if you avoid that and hav…
/r/seduction25/05/25 04:30 PM
0

That's only fleeting though. When they go home they'll struggle to replicate the same results. I've seen a shift like that happen within a day in person a few times. Even experienced it myself. It's great. You even have good odds of getting laid that day. But afterwards you'll drop back down and that's where the real work begins.
/r/seduction25/05/25 03:02 AM
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On your own, 5-10 years. With a mentor, 6 months to a year as long as you're consistent and have the balls to override your desire for companionship and walk away from women who aren't right for you. Not being consistent and compromising on your values in hopes of getting a girl are the main things that slow you down. And the girls you compromise for aren't all bad too. But that's the danger. They have legitimate good aspects about them that tempt you to use those as excuses to look past their b…
/r/seduction24/05/25 06:47 PM
0

Fuck yeah man!
/r/seduction23/05/25 07:52 PM
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It is not the fucking same. You're only saying something that's technically true. The same can be said about every single analogy that anyone can make. Like I said, similar enough. I've been doing BJJ, Boxing, and Eskrima for 10 years and wrestling for 6. Literally human communication is the bare minimum of being human. Yes but there's levels to it. Being able to fight for your survival is also bare minimum of being human. You don't need any training at all to be able to do that. Knowing how to …
/r/seduction23/05/25 03:24 PM
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They're similar enough. People also naturally learn to fight without formal training by just doing it a few times. Getting training in fighting is a lot more unnecessary than getting trained for dating. Most people only 'need' fight training if they want to be competitive, otherwise, just being tough is enough to get through everyday life. Competitive fighting isn't exactly a necessity. But look at the average guy's dating life. The average guy in a nutshell is just pray to god you get lucky a h…
/r/seduction23/05/25 02:49 PM
3

Paid coaches or bootcamps worth it? It depends on the coach. There are coaches who suck but there are also coaches that are great. Just like everything else in life. Also, there are coaches for every financial level. If you have a hard time affording the current one you're talking to now, then you're just going for someone who markets to a higher tax bracket. Look for others who market to lower income demographics. They're out there. Otherwise, just try to get by on this coaches' free stuff like…
/r/seduction23/05/25 01:51 PM
1

It isn't easy though. The stuff you're saying is a lot easier and a lot less effective. Think of it like the difference between learning boxing on your own vs learning with a boxing coach. The boxing coach will put you through much more hell than you would yourself but you'll be a lot better with the coach than you ever will be on your own.
/r/seduction23/05/25 01:45 PM
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That's the wrong mindset to have. Even having sex with a girl for the first time isn't a lot of progress because you still don't have the ability to replicate that. Think less in terms of getting things from women and more in terms of developing the skill. Otherwise, you're just gonna get lucky but won't feel powerful enough to walk away when you should. Still gonna be a puppy dog clinging on to your raffle prize even as it disrespects you at every turn. A guy like OP doesn't go back to square o…
/r/seduction23/05/25 09:01 AM
4

When you start cleaning up your approach and start getting more successes and fewer failures, the fear absolutely does disappear. I know someone who got crazy good at this he got a triple digit body count almost exclusively from cold approach. He's in a relationship now and doesn't approach for years at a time but when we're able to get him to demonstrate how it's done he says he gets nervous coming into it but once he actually does the approach it's like he just shifts into that mode and it's l…
/r/seduction23/05/25 08:52 AM
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Don't criticise guys for overthinking when you just broke down the whole psychology behind your opener. "Overthinking" (really, thinking more critically) got you to that opener. Don't discourage people from doing the same.
/r/seduction23/05/25 08:05 AM
1

Because it does to an extent. Google the cheerleader effect.
/r/seduction22/05/25 10:40 PM
0

Of course man. People in this sub are too in their feelings nowadays and it's getting in the way of their success. That's why I like calling things like this out.
/r/seduction22/05/25 02:51 PM
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Stop pretending guys. You know this is a good post. You're just downvoting stuff because OP happens to do this for a living. But you don't have to go to his site or pay him a cent. Just just judge the content for what it is instead of acting like a bunch of bitter ex girlfriends.
/r/seduction22/05/25 02:30 PM
3

You're right. It's not about nationality. OP just happened to meet more gregarious Latin people. Since it was multiple nationalities I'm guessing they met at a hostel, a place where someone like you wouldn't be too keen on going. So really, people shouldn't be too distracted with the nationalities. They should focus more on the actual point OP is making, because it's a damn great point.
/r/seduction20/05/25 08:34 PM
12

I only agree with items 5-8. Items 1-4 you can work on at the same time as cold approach. Unless you're morbidly obese or horrifically skinny, you don't need to look a certain way to get started with cold approach. I didn't. I was skinny and hardly had a sense of style. I used to wear raggedy cargo shorts and graphic tees with way too much going on. Had a bit of acne too and spiky hair that was way too greasy as well. Yet on my very first approach l got a number. Instead of feeling like there's …
/r/seduction20/05/25 07:32 PM
1

Wrong sub. Look for an r4r sub.
/r/seduction18/05/25 10:33 PM
2

Nope. Still too early. The other guy got it right already. Only when you're in a relationship.
/r/seduction16/05/25 10:07 PM
0

When the arguments run out the jokes come out. 🤷🏽‍♂️
/r/seduction15/05/25 07:36 PM
0

That's exactly what someone with shitty flirting skills would say. The average guy's flirting skills will require attraction before it's welcomed because the average guy doesn't know how to flirt. And I mean average guy, as in guys who can date, guys who do get lucky from time to time, like maybe once a year. Those guys' flirting skills are trash. Someone who actually knows how to flirt builds attraction by flirting. There's a guy on this subreddit who clarifies what good flirting looks like, u/…
/r/seduction15/05/25 07:27 PM
1

The fuck? I'm asking that question because I was assuming we're cool, there's no argumentative vibe between us, and because of that I also assumed that you weren't being sarcastic when you said this: I don't know, maybe the study needs guys specifically, or specifically guys who work in improving themselves.
/r/seduction15/05/25 07:15 PM
1

I wasn't trying to attack you, or even to defend myself. All good. Was just making sure I was clear. I don't know, maybe the study needs guys specifically, or specifically guys who work in improving themselves. Someone else told you to post on here?
/r/seduction15/05/25 06:08 PM
1

Then why post on the Seduction subreddit? Perceived physical attractiveness is relevant to seduction. Also, the second paragraph in my previous comment was not directed at you. It was directed at others, the ones that make up BS because of their feelings.
/r/seduction15/05/25 06:01 PM
1

Careful OP. Most people on this sub still like to pretend psychology doesn't exist so they can make up their own feel good BS. And no, that's not directed to the PUAs, its more directed to PUA detractors who like to pretend you can't come up with reliable methods for seduction.
/r/seduction15/05/25 05:16 PM
5

And this mindset is exactly why guys like you never get better.
/r/seduction15/05/25 03:52 PM
1

It’s even worse if you’re fat. This part is true. But people still exaggerate the benefits of being fit. Btw, its not all about looks. If you can't at least get numbers as a fat guy then your flirting skills are shit. I had a bunch of friends learning seduction with me so we'd mess around a lot and we actually put me in a fat suit once and I still got about as many numbers as I usually do. Also, some of my friends had bellies. I wouldn't call them obese but you could see the shape of their belli…
/r/seduction15/05/25 07:26 AM
35

Nah if he's asking to watch, he better be working his ass off to wing you.
/r/seduction13/05/25 07:24 PM
268

He wasn't oblivious. He probably wants to fuck you or sabotage her or something.
/r/seduction13/05/25 06:38 PM
5

sometimes the correct answer doesn't have to go deeper than a one-liner. The name of a city is a one-liner. Also, this is the point of posting the question on Reddit. OP can get many takes, and if the same answer comes up again and again, there might be something to it. And being attractive is still not the correct answer because there are places in Europe where you don't see other people for miles. Maybe you're one of the more reasonable blackpillers because I can see that you're really trying …
/r/seduction12/05/25 04:37 AM
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This is what's wrong with this subreddit in a nutshell. You're not answering his question. You're just hijacking his post to highlight the importance of being attractive for the 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999th time on this subreddit. But it's not just your comment that's the issue. Its the fact that it's the top comment here, which means most people support this hijacking. And it's wrong too. Even if you are attractive, there are still better places to go than others. Like places w…
/r/seduction11/05/25 07:59 PM
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If you read my comments properly, you'd know that I already acknowledged the benefit of looks for dating apps. Also, you seem to be thinking in black and white. I'm saying looks are OVERRATED I never said they're not beneficial at all. To put it differently, I'm saying people here give looks too much importance, not that it's not important at all. Its like you read the word, "overrated" and assumed how I feel without reading another word. By all means, get jacked but I said it earlier and I'll s…
/r/seduction09/05/25 01:12 PM
1

I know what its like to live with that, so I can easily tell when people are exaggerating what it's like. People on this sub act like once you're fit, you're gonna start getting girls left and right, which isn't true at all, hence, overrated. The question you just asked here is like saying, "How do you know people are just exaggerating what it's like to be a woman when you've been a woman all your life?"
/r/seduction09/05/25 06:43 AM
1

You're operating under the assumption that you need to be jacked to be hot, whereas many women will agree that Timothee Chalamet is hot but he sure as shit isn't jacked, in fact, he easily falls into the category of a "boyish pencil neck", to use your words. Also, are you in good shape? Do you have a lot of experience around women while being in great shape? I've been ripped since 2010 and I'll tell you, that trance thing where they rub your arms, chest, & especially abs, only happens rarely and…
/r/seduction09/05/25 05:51 AM
2

Hmm...I don't know...maybe practice the skill of SEDUCTION...the skill that some people on this sub nowadays are trying to pretend doesn't exist. Its why I appreciate OP. He didn't pre-judge cold approach or fitness in any way, he's simply just testing both with an open mind. P.S. Here's the reality of the looks/fitness vs Game argument: People here are told not to read books and not to watch videos and told only to practice and get experience but that's like telling someone not to watch videos …
/r/seduction08/05/25 07:38 AM
1

Massive for physical and mental health, for quality of life, for having the energy to be more social, etc. But for dating? Unless you're comparing it to when you used to be significantly overweight or significantly skinny, how is it massive? I've had periods in my life when my abs have turned to flab and my arms lost definition but I still didn't look fat in clothes and my results were exactly the same. I was shredded when I started with seduction but my only advantage was that it was easier for…
/r/seduction08/05/25 03:40 AM
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I don't usually support putting the majority of your focus on fitness for dating because as a fit guy for most of my life, I've seen first hand how overrated it's benefits are for dating but I like your attitude of being open minded and willing to experiment with different things. You gave cold approach a fair shake and now I respect you giving fitness a fair shake.
/r/seduction08/05/25 02:44 AM
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I can speak particularly on the athletic women and unathletic men. I am an athletic man. I've been training since 2004 and have friends who train IFBB pros and friends who work with pro athletes so I'm deep into that network. What I've seen is it's not the look that gets the women. Its more the fact that athletic guys are the kind of guys they're around most often and the kind of guys they can talk to most easily because we can relate to each other easier. But if you look at their celebrity crus…
/r/seduction07/05/25 05:31 PM
2

That's only a problem for the people that my words apply to.
/r/seduction07/05/25 05:20 PM
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For example, a jock-type of girl likely won't date a fat slob, but on the other hand won't really care what you wear. An alternative girl might accept a short/skinny king if his fashion and hair are on point. Basic, normal women won't care if you're really handsome or not, but only if you're tall and buff, aka "this guy looks like he can provide and protect, at least physically." So on and so forth. Man, you guys really need to touch grass. Seriously, if you have a healthy social life, you would…
/r/seduction07/05/25 05:07 PM
8

Good thing this subreddit isn't dedicated solely to you. There are people here who are further along in their dating lives than you. Go read the beginner posts. Leave this post to the big boys.
/r/seduction06/05/25 05:27 PM
1

What women actually swipe on (the truth from 1,000+ matches) *the truth from 1000+ UPVOTES This post is clearly just pandering to the common sentiments that are celebrated on this subreddit. And this is coming from someone who is very pro-dating apps and pro-optimizing your profile.
/r/seduction06/05/25 05:24 PM
1

Owen Cook, Luke Krogh, David Wygant, James Marshall, Liam McRae, Sasha Daygame, Alan Roger Currie, Richard la Ruina, Kezia Noble, Adam Lyons, Joshua Pellicer, Jason Capital, Jared Lawrence, Lloyd Dixon, etc. If you're gonna look them up, I suggest starting from the end. This list is arranged roughly from oldest to newest.
/r/seduction06/05/25 03:15 PM
2

What country are you from?
/r/seduction05/05/25 05:46 PM
0

There ain't no point in me addressing anything said here then.
/r/seduction05/05/25 02:04 PM
0

I haven't heard your version of what the PUA mentality or "movement" is. You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about someone you don't know. I may be in this sub but I'm not like you. I didn't learn about PUAs from hearing about them on this subreddit. I learned about about this subreddit from PUAs that I have real, in person, relationships with. Have you actually met someone from the PUA community in person? Have you actually been able to hang out with a bunch and become part of the networ…
/r/seduction05/05/25 09:29 AM
2

True. What's correct is correct. Doesn't matter how old or new something is. For example, Math is ancient but the vast majority of it still holds up. But still, people who were actually in the Game as it evolved from Mystery Method know how much better it has gotten since then.
/r/seduction05/05/25 08:51 AM
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Just because it's 2025 doesn't mean PUA, the mentalities/teachings are different, and everyone thinks of the old PUA, not some 2025 version. Its ok to admit you don't know man. This statement tells me you have no idea what happened after Mystery's time. No need to pretend you're in the know when you aren't. Look up Richard la Ruina's teachings on deep connection. And try to find stuff that's actually from him. Him speaking on it in a video or audio, or something that was actually written by him,…
/r/seduction05/05/25 06:59 AM
1

You guys are overthinking this. Quit generalising. OP is the only one overthinking here.
/r/seduction05/05/25 06:53 AM
3

What you said and what the person said above can both be correct. Just depends on how you look at it. Making progress every step of the way can be interpreted as successes. At the same time, you probably interpret success only as reaching the very end goal.
/r/seduction05/05/25 03:26 AM
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The problem with your understanding of PUAs is that you're 20 years outdated. What you're talking about is Mystery Method, stuff which, you guessed it right, is 20 years old.
/r/seduction05/05/25 12:39 AM
3

Do most pickup artists struggle to form deep connections beyond hookups? No. Its something that PUAs actively work on and have developed methods for over decades. If the only thing you know about PUAs are what can be read about in The Game or what can be seen on VH1's the Pickup Artist, or worse, you just got the cliffnotes version from a Google search, and if you think PUA methods were still scripted 10 years ago or worse, you think they're still scripted now, then you're outdated by about 20 y…
/r/seduction05/05/25 12:36 AM
4

You don't create it but you can find it. If you don't have purpose, you just haven't found the thing you really want yet. And actively exploring things to eventually find what you want is something that is within your power.
/r/seduction04/05/25 04:12 PM
7

The fuck is the purpose of 99% people? That's one of the main reasons why 1% of men get way more women. Don't try to be part of the 99%, try to be part of the 1%. Even if you never make it there, things are still gonna get better for you if you're making strides in that direction.
/r/seduction04/05/25 03:29 PM
3

The "pseudo gurus" are not the problem. Any coach, whether legit or not, barely gets any traction here anyway. It's the regular people who never want a dime for any bit of advice they give that are the problem. Most of them only know as much if not less than the people they're giving advice to but it's celebrated like it's some life changing stuff when 9 times out of 10 it won't improve shit for anyone. And since that advice is what gets upvoted the most, that is the standard that all advice her…
/r/seduction04/05/25 11:25 AM
2

And people on this sub wonder why they never make any improvements to their dating lives. Any advice that requires you to do the things you're most afraid to do gets shot down, but advice that's just enough to give you an excuse to say you're doing something without really pushing yourself any meaningful length outside your comfort zone is celebrated.
/r/seduction03/05/25 11:05 AM
5

You don't have to find your soulmate right after you break up with someone. And you don't have to feel like you've achieved the goal of life when you hookup with someone. A hookup is shallow and it's ok if it actually feels shallow. The real mistake is to look at hooking up like medicine instead of it being what it is, you simply scratching an itch.
/r/seduction28/04/25 07:16 PM
1

I'd go so far as to say you can't even get Social Circle game started if you're not at least decent at Cold Approach. That said, being decent at Cold Approach is really all you need to achieve life changing things with Social Circle game. To have a dating life you're genuinely satisfied with through Cold Approach alone will require a fairly high level of skill. But to reach the same level of success when you add in Social Circle game doesn't require nearly as much skill. The problem is most peop…
/r/seduction26/04/25 10:47 PM
6

This is what happens when a society tells women that everything they do is ok. Its basically like saying, "Its totally normal to wanna drink yourself into oblivion everyday."
/r/seduction25/04/25 11:32 PM
4

Excellent post and I agree with a lot of it but the problem with most guys here is that they have that Solo Leveling mentality where they basically think they're gonna be stuck with whatever ability they have with women for the rest of their lives. That's why Cold Approach's success rate bothers them. Because they think that their success rate when they first try is gonna be their success rate forever. That's also the reason why they don't approach this as practice, because they believe no amoun…
/r/seduction25/04/25 07:40 PM
0

If it's too much to handle, move out. But at the same time, as someone who has been through the journey of working on yourself with seduction, I kinda envy the position you're in. I didn't have something constantly kicking me in the ass, making me desperately want to get better and causing me to work harder because of that. You do. Because of that, I feel like it took me much longer to get my dating life to a place I'm really happy with. Even though I wanted to get better, I could run away from …
/r/seduction25/04/25 08:59 AM
1

Btw, here's some dating advice, because that's the main thing this sub is for: I do cold approaching as well, but I wouldn't talk about it like a hobby in front of women. Work on getting to a point where you can do this in front of your female friends. Because if you have female friends who are that close with you, that means you already have like 50% of the pieces in place to have an awesome dating life. That's not even overly close with someone. Like I said in my first comment, I talked about …
/r/seduction23/04/25 06:20 PM
1

The latter would likely seem desperate or creepy to many women. Goes back to my first comment - Only if you suck at it. Around 80% of the women I've been involved with have not only seen me cold approach but even approached with me and winged me. A benefit of polyamory. The other 20% weren't able to just because they either weren't involved with me long enough, they don't go out much, or stuff just wasn't able to align for that to happen. And even girls I've been monogamous with don't find it cr…
/r/seduction23/04/25 05:36 PM
1

Are you kidding me? Yeah! You think there are no women who are dating guys that are known to be womanizers?? Also, polyamory exists. That's certainly my lifestyle right now.
/r/seduction23/04/25 05:10 PM
1

Its simple. It just wasn't as good for him as it was for you. Both sexes are guilty of this. Ghosting, but also thinking that if it was great for them it should be great for the other person. That's just not how it works.
/r/seduction19/04/25 08:28 PM
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Looks like nobody who actually knows anything about seduction came to this post. This comment section looks like crabs in a bucket. Just because you guys have no answers doesn't mean you should shit on OP's question. To answer your question OP, you can do the same exact thing and get her really excited. The key is to identify when she is attracted to you. Its not about the move. If a woman who you wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole did that to you, arousal sure as hell won't be the feeling that …
/r/seduction18/04/25 08:13 AM
2

Like I said, give it 6 months to a year of doing that. Most people who say what you said are only speaking theoretically, not from experience. Or they're speaking from too little experience. Like only a week or two after starting in the gym.
/r/seduction16/04/25 05:40 AM
57

Calm down. This sub isn't exclusive for inexperienced people. People with more experience deserve to exchange ideas here too.
/r/seduction15/04/25 12:56 PM
19

Give it 6 months to a year, after you've had the balls to shoot your shots a few times. Then you'll realise that going to the gym really didn't change the game for you all that much. This is coming from a gymbro.
/r/seduction13/04/25 08:39 PM
1

richard la ruina is old Newer and superior to Mystery. You just a fanboy. Go memorize your scripts.
/r/seduction10/04/25 09:05 AM
1

A lot of my suggestions may apply to this, however, a lot of what you wrote is very subjective. Like "cringe", "bold", & "respectful." Also, your post got deleted and I forgot what your dating experience has been like. Remind me again of your current situation.
/r/seduction09/04/25 10:14 AM
1

A book like The Natural by Richard la Ruina or Make Women Want You by Jason Capital and advice from people like Modern Success or The Single Guy on YouTube.
/r/seduction08/04/25 06:04 AM
1

Mystery Method will always work. It's just inferior to the good stuff that's available now. Its like the difference between a typewriter and a computer. You can create documents on both but doing so with the former is just slower, more cumbersome, and potentially messier.
/r/seduction07/04/25 10:26 PM
2

What you're referring to are shitty coaches. I work in marketing and have a lot of dating coach clients. Also learned under a few many years ago when I was new to seduction. The guys who have the highest retention rates and success rates downright refuse to hype up their students and simply teach them how to get themselves warmed up and of course, also how to seduce women. At the end of the day, it's up to the student. They either actually wanna put in the work or they're paying a coach to try a…
/r/seduction05/04/25 06:48 PM
1

The vast majority of women have no "rizz." Even less "rizz" than a below average man. Men are just predominantly attracted to looks. Seriously, blackpill is rotting your brains. Its MEN who are predominantly attracted to looks, not women like those blackpill incels keep claiming. Women are more attracted to personality, competence, and social status. That's why fewer men are good with women.
/r/seduction05/04/25 03:46 PM
1

All good. And that is a shame.
/r/seduction05/04/25 03:33 PM
1

I've seen your other comments. The issue is your job & environment aren't conducive for meeting new people. It's a more obscure issue to have. You don't reflect most people's situations.
/r/seduction05/04/25 02:33 PM
1

Like OP said, that's an excuse. Why would you only have 1 - 2 hours after work? You already left the place you're required to be for the day. You're not required to go home or anywhere else by 7.
/r/seduction05/04/25 05:26 AM
3

Tell me where I'm telling lies.
/r/seduction04/04/25 06:48 PM
9

Lol. 8,000 divided by 10 years is just 2 a day. There are many guys who have been doing seduction for that amount of time and longer. Most of them just aren't here because keyboard warriors like you who haven't even done 8 approaches refuse to take advice that actually works.
/r/seduction04/04/25 04:32 PM
1

The fact that she spent that amount of money to kiss him is the red flag. But a woman who was just a celebrity's ex or has just hooked up with a celebrity is not a red flag in and of itself.
/r/seduction04/04/25 01:47 PM
1

What exactly about post 2020 do you think is different? So I can give you more relevant recommendations.
/r/seduction02/04/25 08:50 PM
1

Because its a skill. Natural to get rusty when you haven't practiced a skill in a while. 🤷‍♂️
/r/seduction02/04/25 07:49 PM
2

The Natural by Richard la Ruina, Make Women Want You by Jason Capital, The Tao of Badass by Joshua Pellicer, & Understand Attraction by Adam Lyons are a few good books I can recall off the top of my head. Modern Success and The Single Guy channels on youtube are also pretty good.
/r/seduction02/04/25 06:59 PM
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The Natural by Richard la Ruina, Make Women Want You by Jason Capital, The Tao of Badass by Joshua Pellicer, & Understand Attraction by Adam Lyons are a few good ones I can recall off the top of my head.
/r/seduction02/04/25 05:42 PM
4

You’re 100% right, most of that stuff is outdated. My post isn’t about rediscovering the wheel, it’s about sharing what finally worked for me after years of failing with old-school tactics. I get that. What I'm wondering is, why did you even learn Mystery Method if you only recently started learning seduction? Edit: To clarify my question, there are already so many resources on seduction that have zero lines and routines involved. And not just books like Models. That's one of the books that seem…
/r/seduction02/04/25 05:23 PM
6

Why the fuck are posts like this still being made in 2025? Mystery Method and The Game came out 20+ years ago and you just recently stopped using pickup lines?? I learned seduction in 2013 and even back then PUAs were already making a mass exodus away from routines and lines. I stopped using them in like 3 months.
/r/seduction02/04/25 05:06 PM
4

This subreddit generally prefers members who don't actually know what they're talking about when it comes to dating. Most people here want advice that won't really push them that far out of their comfort zone. They just like to pat themselves in the back for doing trivial things like going to the gym, as if that's some sort of revolutionary thing.
/r/seduction01/04/25 06:11 PM
3

The Diary of a Pickup Artist by Adam Lyons. I know people will pre-judge it because of the title but the saying about books and covers applies here.
/r/seduction01/04/25 11:50 AM
8

Bro learn to read before going around criticising other people's advice.
/r/seduction31/03/25 02:52 PM
1

Looks like they removed my post because it was "insulting". The fuck? Make them know I'm interested and they feel it's safe to approach me. Meaning if I reject them it will be in a good way Anyway, you were able to reply, so how do you communicate all this without talking to them?
/r/seduction30/03/25 09:41 PM
1

Yes. I set it up so they can approach me. Oh? How exactly do you do that?
/r/seduction30/03/25 07:57 PM
0

Remember guys, it's not just marketers and copywriters who are trying to trick you. The PUA haters are also trying to do the same.
/r/seduction30/03/25 07:22 PM
1

So you still cold approached. You're just not calling it cold approach, you're calling it "reacting to signs, signals and energies." Man, if you really did throw away your PUA material then you're probably right. It was probably useless. You probably got the shitty old stuff like Mystery Method and Speed Seduction. Because little things like don't put women on a pedestal, improve yourself, practice every time you socialise, and approach when you get signs of interest are basic PUA teachings too.…
/r/seduction30/03/25 07:09 PM
3

If you already have the balls to go out regularly and actually make time for this then dating coaches are amazing. As in spending a few months going out 3 to 4 times a week approach 3-5 girls each day you go out. And I'm saying it's about balls because most inexperienced guys can manage going out one time and even approaching 15+ girls that day, but they will likely need a week or even a month to "recover" from all that social pressure they experienced. If you just sit at home for a month exagge…
/r/seduction30/03/25 08:36 AM
-1

Picking up chicks? That has been a hobby long before the seduction community even existed and it will still be one long after, as long as people still like sex. I talked about it all the time with co-workers when I used to work in an office. Even showed off a bunch of times by picking up girls in front of them. That includes talking about it with female co-workers. Heck, my female co-workers seemed more interested in my experiences than the men did. I'd go to bars with my co-workers and bring ov…
/r/seduction29/03/25 01:30 AM
1

Then you're in the wrong subreddit. This sub is for people who actually wanna be better versions of themselves, not for those who just want a temporary high that doesn't really make a difference anyway.
/r/seduction28/03/25 06:15 PM
6

Cold approach. The only people's who think it's weird or feel like it's more work than fun are the guys that suck at it. People who are good at it look at it like leisure activity.
/r/seduction28/03/25 04:06 PM
1

I see who I'm talking to now. Looked into your main influence, Shera Seven. Also saw the countless posts on plastic surgery. Yeah, you're definitely not a "very beautiful, high-value woman" and you likely don't know any woman like that either. You're just someone deluding yourself into thinking you are and calling the simps who do what you want "high value men." Better to face reality, no?
/r/seduction26/03/25 09:45 PM
1

Nah, that's only what women say men prefer. Physical affection is the bare minimum in a relationship. Any man that respects himself will not stay in a relationship where that isn't a given. Looking beautiful and hot is also bare minimum. You already do that when you're single, and men do that too. Countless other women do that as well. What would make you special when he can always "raise his social status" with a hundred other women? Encouraging his dreams? So you'd spend money to help him achi…
/r/seduction26/03/25 08:50 PM
3

Sorry, no. This is some entitled BS. I have been with so many women who have planned dates for us. Its give and take honey. Women should also be going out of their way to show the guy they're into a good time, on top of pleasing him in bed too. Already expecting you to pretend I said that guys deserve to just sit back and enjoy being pleased by a woman when I didn't. The only thing that'll deter that is this paragraph right here.
/r/seduction26/03/25 07:46 PM
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False. This idea is one of the ways guys unknowingly put women on pedestals. She can have a first impression of you in that time but it's not like it's set in stone or anything. If your impression of someone can change then women's impressions of people sure as shit can change too. They're only human. Treat them as such.
/r/seduction25/03/25 11:36 AM
1

you think women want to be friends with a guy they wouldn’t match with? Huh? How can they even have the opportunity to become friends if they don't match? Some desperate guy in a hook up that gets no matches and no social circle? Where are you getting all of this information? I don't see OP giving us any of it on this post.
/r/seduction11/02/25 10:28 AM
1

Why do you keep ducking the fact that I'm simply disputing your claim that there's no reason women on Tinder would want to help OP? You too proud to admit you were wrong?
/r/seduction11/02/25 09:36 AM
1

You know theyre on Tinder for dick right? And like I said, I was there for pussy, yet every once in a while, I'd become friends with a girl who ends up helping me get other girls... What? None of your female "friends" ever did that for you?
/r/seduction11/02/25 08:37 AM
8

You mean, "What do they get from helping their friends?" Your mindset towards women seems to be very "us vs them" as if every interaction between opposite sexes can only be transactional and that people of the opposite sex can't just enjoy hanging out for the sake of it. Really. You probably also think that a guy being friends with a girl is only trying to get in her pants. Transactional again. While that's definitely true for some people, there are guys who do have healthy dating lives, who don…
/r/seduction11/02/25 05:24 AM
2

I've been going out, partying, and seducing women since 2013 and what you said certainly applies to some women but not that many. I personally have picked up a few wing girls in my time. It kinda sounds like you don't have a lot of female friends. Like friends friends. Girls who will hit you up to hang out, girls who will do stuff for you without you asking, girls that spend money on you just because you're their friend, etc. Not girls who are only nice to you when you happen to be around each o…
/r/seduction11/02/25 05:16 AM
1

So to be clear, you're asking me how to qualify?
/r/seduction09/02/25 04:11 PM
1

Its not a game when you're being true to yourself. Any guy who has been in a relationship knows that there are times when they're not in the mood to have sex, even when their girl is very horny. What separates great guys from forgettable ones is the greats actually refuse sex when they aren't in the mood. Also, just because you fuck her doesn't mean she's won you over completely. Sex isn't the be all, end all. I've had lots of instances where I had sex with women and they were still wondering wh…
/r/seduction09/02/25 07:43 AM
1

What does her winning 100% mean to you?
/r/seduction09/02/25 07:15 AM
2

But for escalation or having sex it means i have to let her win 100%. How second person have sex without letting her win if they tease alongside ? No it doesn't. You only escalate if she in fact does win you over. They say: “let her win you over”and they also say: “dont let her win you everytime” This means let her actually work to win your approval, have dignity and standards, and be honest about how well someone lines up with those standards.
/r/seduction09/02/25 06:44 AM
1

There you go then.
/r/seduction29/01/25 03:23 PM
5

The country you were approaching in is probably not accustomed to cold approach and thought it was a weird western thing.
/r/seduction29/01/25 12:15 PM
11

It took you 20 years to open your eyes?
/r/MensRights27/01/25 02:29 PM
47

Spell it out. Stop trying to be cryptic.
/r/MensRights27/01/25 02:28 PM
32

You're trying to get her pregnant?
/r/MensRights27/01/25 01:52 PM
11

So why stay with her for 237 months more?
/r/MensRights27/01/25 01:51 PM
22

That's 20 years too long to be with this kind of girl.
/r/MensRights27/01/25 01:33 PM
50

Explain yourself. Why are you so confident that she won't use it to get pregnant?
/r/MensRights27/01/25 01:32 PM
1

So it was actually your intention to go to a personal attack in your previous comment. Why'd you jump to relationships instead of going to the most basic interpretation of the word "with"?
/r/seduction26/01/25 04:00 PM
1

You think hanging out with 2 women is a flex? I'm really starting to doubt the existence of the "women" you "know" who aren't supposedly emotional.
/r/seduction26/01/25 03:36 PM
1

Exactly. Its like that other commenter is actively trying to get upset about something.
/r/seduction26/01/25 12:24 PM
9

Is it sexist if its valid? Men and women have different hormonal profiles. You ask a woman in the real world, they will happily admit to how emotional they can be. I know because I'm with two women right now. I immediately showed them this post once I read the title. Its only people on the internet with agendas who deny something as common knowledge as this.
/r/seduction26/01/25 12:01 PM
1

Nothing is guaranteed. But just because something isn't fail proof doesn't mean its not beneficial. Otherwise nothing would be beneficial.
/r/seduction26/01/25 08:08 AM
2

You make good points but also, text game advice on this sub is so shitty. Text game advice here can be summed up in one sentence, "Try to avoid it as much as possible." Like hello! Its still a human interaction, humans are typing these words up, humans are reading it. And anyone who thinks text doesn't stimulate emotions well must be living under a rock, because novels is still a pretty good industry, and the majority of people who consume written content are in fact women. "Yes women enjoy read…
/r/seduction26/01/25 07:28 AM
1

It's not a symptom of interacting with someone online, it's the consequence of not building enough comfort online and jumping the gun to a meet. The better I got at building comfort, the less this objection ever came up.
/r/seduction26/01/25 07:12 AM
1

Probably the majority are people who rarely actually flirt with women in real life because they're too afraid to make mistakes.
/r/seduction24/01/25 04:17 AM
-2

None. I use the kiss on the forehead as part of the build up to the kiss on the lips. If a girl is literally asking me to kiss her then I don't bother kissing on the forehead, I just go straight for the lips. How many girls have you kissed on the forehead? Edit: I know the likely answer to my question from you and the others who downvoted this is zero. You're just afraid to give that answer because you're afraid to reveal how ridiculous your beliefs about forehead kisses are.
/r/seduction23/01/25 05:35 PM
4

Ok what the fuck is going on with these responses? Are you guys getting this from the internet instead of real life experience or something?? I've kissed about 30% of all the girls I've slept with on the forehead before we started kissing on the lips. I feel like you guys just jumped to the conclusion before running the experiment.
/r/seduction23/01/25 12:11 PM
2

Why? I've successfully used forehead kisses to transition to making out countless times.
/r/seduction23/01/25 12:07 PM
1

Depends. You'll still have to meet them in person at some point, and if you're not very good with people, you'll still ruin things even if they really liked your profile. You can also ruin things through messaging. And daygame, as long as you're actually doing educated practice, not the "jUsT gEt ExPeRiEnCe BrO" garbage, will significantly improve your texting and definitely your ability to seduce in person.
/r/seduction22/01/25 09:34 PM
1

Where was better for you? Doesn't have to be US.
/r/seduction22/01/25 09:21 PM
5

This is why you gotta stop listening to the weirdos here who think you need good looks to get in the door. It clearly isn't the case so relegate the "LoOkSmAxXiNg" BS to just running in the background and put your work on your social skills front and center. Ever since I started learning seduction I only worked out and improved my grooming as an afterthought. On days when I had to choose between going out and socialising or going to the gym, you know I'd pick socialising every time.
/r/seduction17/01/25 04:36 AM
1

I don't mean any offense by this but it sounds like you need to educate yourself a bit more on seduction because even for direct approaches, it's commonly taught that a good way to transition from the opener is through making an assumption about the other person. Make an assumption about them then share something about yourself that's related to it and from there you have multiple conversational routes to choose from, especially if the assumption is wrong. Because if its wrong then you can talk …
/r/seduction16/01/25 06:53 PM
1

Ok. So your idea of indirect is basically the example you gave above?
/r/seduction16/01/25 06:02 PM
11

Hey, this was actually good female seduction advice for once! So there's still hope for women on this sub. Most responses to a post from a woman like this are basically, "jUsT bE hOt" or worse, "JuSt Be A wOmAn."
/r/seduction16/01/25 05:29 PM
1

Well if you've actually done indirect and it looks like that example that you gave, then you ran a pretty shitty test. Learn how it's actually done before you judge it.
/r/seduction16/01/25 05:15 PM
1

No wonder you struggle with indirect approaches. That was the shittiest example of one I've ever seen. Its as if you're deliberately trying to make them fail. Dude, if you just aren't into indirect, you don't have to do it. Lots of guys have had awesome dating lives without ever doing indirect, but don't sabotage it on purpose and pretend it doesn't work, because lots of guys have also had awesome dating lives exclusively doing indirect. There's multiple ways to skin a cat and you're free to cho…
/r/seduction16/01/25 04:33 PM
1

When you get introduced to someone at a party and have a conversation with them, do you state your intentions? Like, "Hey, I just wanna get to know you and maybe shoot the shit"? When you started having a convo with someone in school, did you do that? Has someone said that to you after you randomly had a conversation with each other? Conversations can come out of thin air and you don't have to be so serious or practical all the time. Sometimes, no, a lot of the time, the interaction itself is wh…
/r/seduction16/01/25 11:25 AM
3

They won't always be able to articulate it but they will always get an ick when you are in fact desperate.
/r/seduction15/01/25 10:59 AM
4

And yet there are men who still get mad at people who wanna teach Game/Seduction. I can already tell what you're gonna assume - "No amount of Game is gonna guarantee she won't divorce you." Wrong assumption. I'm not saying use Game to make her stay with you forever. No. Use Game to make women ok with staying in long term relationships with you, without ever getting married. And since you learned Game and self-improved accordingly, when they eventually get fed up and leave, you can replace them w…
/r/MensRights30/12/24 05:58 PM
39

Exactly. It may seem weird to you OP but this is literally how us men talk to each other. Just completely straightforward.
/r/seduction24/12/24 09:16 PM
26

Game just made you understand how love works. If you didn't want to ruin the magic then you shouldn't have learned game.
/r/seduction22/12/24 11:51 PM
1

Yup!
/r/MensRights16/12/24 03:57 AM
12

I agree 100% on the point about bargaining. But in my experience, silence is still worse than saying anything, even if it is dismissive. They tend to make a big deal out of really petty things like who sent the last message. If you send something dismissive and that ends your convo, she can tell herself that at least she didn't send the last message. If you just disappear after she sent the last message, she will lose it.
/r/MensRights14/12/24 05:06 PM
36

Pro tip: The worst thing you could possibly do to her is stop replying as soon as she says/does something you don't like. Trust me. I've been around women when this happened to them and they absolutely lose it. Shooting back with your own insults actually makes them feel a bit better about themselves for some preverse reason. Like "awww, little boy is mad because I spoke the truth" or some BS. Wanna make it worse? Sometimes they'll hit you up again after you ghosted them the first time, acting r…
/r/MensRights14/12/24 10:52 AM
0

Lol. I'm coping? You're the one who tried to say him being rich and famous means anything to the multimillionaire global celebrities he dates and now you're trying to push things to the extreme on both ends to pretend you have a point. 😂
/r/seduction28/11/24 07:12 PM
-1

Oh yeah coz Ariana Grande, Kim Kardashian, and Kate Beckinsale are in such desperate need of attention from a B-list celebrity who makes 1/10 of what they do. Anybody who is even slightly better looking than Pete would also never even look in the direction of those women. /s
/r/seduction28/11/24 04:23 PM
1

Just because something is being done doesn't mean it's meaningful or productive. For example, people love to debate stuff about shows or movies that have already concluded and that is simply spinning their wheels. It may be recreational wheel spinning but it's wheel spinning nonetheless. And one guy commented that understanding this skyrocketed his dating game He doesn't literally understand it unless he has found studies like I mentioned above. He has just formed a very strong opinion based on …
/r/seduction23/11/24 03:22 PM
2

Just would like to start with you are overthinking “seduction” as a magical phenomenon that could make someone who’s repulsive find someone who’s Godly attractive and make them be attractive to each other like magnets. You're using an extreme example and making it seem like it applies to the entire spectrum of situations you can come across. Maybe an attractiveness disparity like you describe above is too much to overcome with game but with smaller disparities, that may not be the case.
/r/seduction23/11/24 03:10 PM
1

Unless a study is done where they measure a woman's brain activity while interacting with a guy who is good at game, you can't really answer this question either way. We're just spinning our wheels by debating based on subjective opinions.
/r/seduction23/11/24 03:00 PM
2

It seems that it often leads to short relationships. That's what happens for dating in general. You think there is a setting where you can meet your soulmate in the first try?
/r/seduction20/11/24 09:43 AM
2

Nice! Makes a lot of sense.
/r/seduction18/11/24 06:59 PM
1

You see, I qualify them when we first meet, getting them to prove to me that they'll be cool and/or they will fit right in with whatever me and my friends have planned. Only after they've proven to be a good fit do I invite them. Why would they prove themselves to you though?
/r/seduction18/11/24 06:48 PM
0

Regardless of how old I've gotten, I still prefer girls who are between 18-21 and I still regularly get those kinds of girls now in my 30s. I even had a threesome with two 18 year olds a few days ago. Our ages may or may not be handicaps but if they are, they are some of the easiest handicaps to overcome with good game. There are much bigger handicaps I've seen overcome by game.
/r/seduction18/11/24 06:13 PM
0

You think this question is insightful but it's actually more of a simple minded guy thing than the post is. Why? Because the question assumes that multiple things can't be happening at the same time. What is stopping anyone from caring about every individual girl they talk to while they gamify the development of their social skills? You're also being too simple minded if you think that talking about one aspect of seduction without mentioning other things means you don't think those other things …
/r/seduction12/11/24 05:47 PM
1

Don't apps like this already exist?
/r/seduction10/11/24 07:28 PM
1

Hence, why they still find it difficult to get the guys they want and would need to lower their standards if they want things to be as easy as the other guy is talking about.
/r/seduction09/11/24 05:24 AM
0

But once again if seduction is the art of trying to seduce someone for sex, why does the average women need that? There will always be people out of your league, regardless of whether you're a woman or a man. You think women have it easy but you don't realize that even you can have it easy too, if you lower your standards enough you'll be swimming in pussy. Lowering their standards is basically what women would need to do to cash in on all that easy dick.
/r/seduction08/11/24 02:10 PM
25

The mating call came first but when women figured it out and learned to do it on purpose, inevitably some choose to do it just to mess with people. Some, not most. Also, you really should save the theorising for after you've consistently been putting yourself out there and flirting with women. It sounds like you're only assuming that you will be rejected by certain women. I know it's comforting to try to understand women before trying anything, but really, all you need to understand beforehand a…
/r/seduction05/11/24 11:07 AM
0

That's also true for anyone who calls himself a great guy. I don't see how using the word "alpha" is particularly bad when anyone who claims to be a person of great character, no matter what words they use, is usually not.
/r/seduction27/10/24 06:09 AM
3

Just a word of warning. Most people on this subreddit are keyboard warriors who rarely or never actually cold approach, so I would take what the other commenters here are saying with a grain of salt.
/r/seduction27/10/24 06:08 AM
1

That's a gross generalisation. There are individual coaches who don't do that but what on earth is stopping people who have similar experiences as you from becoming coaches themselves?
/r/seduction26/10/24 09:08 AM
2

I doubt any of these guys would make out to be rsd honestly Then just follow the guys that you believe could keep up. Yeah, there's people here who position themselves as authorities when they really shouldn't but you don't have to take their advice. 🤷‍♂️
/r/seduction26/10/24 06:21 AM
1

That only applies to sports. Getting laid is great but it doesn't put food on the table. If you could make millions just seducing women and not teaching anybody how to do it then 90% of coaches would be doing that instead.
/r/seduction26/10/24 06:10 AM
5

"Alpha male" is just a shortcut to describe a guy with great character, basically the kind of guy you describe in this post. I don't see a lot of people here calling themselves alpha but if they ask about how to be alpha (a guy with great character) or they ask whether a decision they made is in line with being alpha or not, I don't see an issue there. It just makes the question much more efficient. Looking down on people for using the term alpha male is like looking down on people who use the w…
/r/seduction26/10/24 04:33 AM
2

Oh I know exactly what you're talking about, and I absolutely agree.
/r/seduction21/10/24 08:33 PM
3

I would say below average if we're purely considering his face and body. Its his...style that gives him a few more points and pushes him up to average looking.
/r/seduction21/10/24 07:34 PM
4

Exactly. You don't need to have a strong jawline, be 6 foot plus, or be shredded. Just improve the things you can control. Neil Strauss is certainly none of those things but he got lasik, chose to just shave off all his hair instead of keep the balding look, styled his beard, and improved how he dresses and even though he still wouldn't be considered good looking, just taking more care of himself did contribute to his success with women.
/r/seduction21/10/24 07:31 PM
0

Attraction is always growing, that's doubly true for women. Guys just try to understand it from their perspective, where physical attraction makes up about 70% of their total attraction which is why its hard for them to grasp the idea that attraction can in fact be built. For women physical attraction is more like 30% and the rest is determined by what he's like as a person. Here's a thought experiment to help you understand: Imagine being on a date with a girl who is so down bad for you, she's …
/r/seduction21/10/24 03:16 PM
5

Someone's being intentionally dense.
/r/seduction18/10/24 04:45 AM
35

This. When I first started trying cold approach, most women supposedly had boyfriends but as I got better at it, more and more women were magically single.
/r/seduction17/10/24 05:54 AM
1

Man, why are there people who are always in their feelings when it comes to dating?
/r/seduction16/10/24 04:28 AM
3

Alright man. I appreciate this response.
/r/seduction13/10/24 05:14 AM
-1

It's still very hard, No disrespect but I've seen you around this subreddit giving advice and being quite opinionated about seduction. That made me think you were very experienced and already good at this but you still find daygame hard? It just isn't connecting. Why would someone who isn't that good at this be so opinionated about all this? And please, to avoid turning this into a waste of time, don't claim, like a few others have, that cold approach or daygame will always be hard, because that…
/r/seduction12/10/24 10:25 PM
6

This is wild. I've never met a girl through an app who wanted a relationship. Even those who put "looking for a relationship" or "no hookups" in their profiles are usually the ones who start moving things in the direction of hooking up. That's mostly Tinder though. What apps do you use?
/r/seduction12/10/24 03:48 PM
7

This subreddit is in desperate need of the type of self respect you talk about here.
/r/seduction09/10/24 08:34 PM
7

This is only how certain groups of people perceive men. It's not the absolute reality. Everyone has value and everyone has to work to increase their perceived value to win a person over, even women.
/r/seduction09/10/24 06:23 AM
0

Just because you haven't been able to quantify it doesn't mean it can't be quantified. People have been quantifying dating and all kinds of human interactions long before Pick Up Artists, Seduction, Game, etc ever existed. Its literally a universally recognised branch of science called PSYCHOLOGY. Why do people like to play so dumb when it comes to dating?
/r/seduction08/10/24 04:37 PM
1

I know you know paying for bathwater is hyperbolic and stupid. Its stupid but not hyperbolic. People actually do that. In the other hand, you believe that a woman is born to be your fucking servant. You think women should cook all your meals, raise and nurture your children, raise and nurture you, clean the house, fuck you whenever you want AND work. Lmfao, That is not what I believe. It kinda feels like you're not arguing against me but against some sort of stereotype in your mind. As if you're…
/r/seduction06/10/24 05:44 PM
1

My goodness....so in order to respect women you need to pay them hundreds of bucks to buy their bathwater? Those are the types of guys I wanna set straight. If you see no problem with the types of guys that dump boatloads of cash into OF then you are clearly everything you're trying to accuse me of. What was it? "What you want-is for women to exert control over men, and that’s abusive. Point, blank."
/r/seduction06/10/24 04:51 PM
1

My goodness, you're still trying to gaslight. Women are leaving men alright. Leaving men who treat them amazing for men who treat them like trash.
/r/seduction06/10/24 04:43 PM
1

Getting head? Lol. You think you're talking to the OP? 🤣 Pretend if you like but the reality is plain to see. Its actually not a reality that I'm happy with but I'm also not in denial. If you and your friends wanna make a difference, tell women to stop going for guys like this. Meanwhile, I'll be telling male simps to cut the shit too. Theres issues on both sides.
/r/seduction06/10/24 04:34 PM
2

Its not a theory. Even you know women who are down bad for men who treat them like this. You can see it everywhere these days. Are you seriously trying to gaslight me and others into believing that isn't the case?
/r/seduction06/10/24 04:27 PM
0

Lol. All you wrote here was code for, "I don't have a rebuttal so I'm gonna pretend he didn't understand what I wrote."
/r/seduction06/10/24 05:22 AM
2

Lol. All he did was explain to everyone else what women respond to nowadays. If you don't like it, tell women to stop going crazy for guys that act like this.
/r/seduction06/10/24 05:21 AM
1

Most of my hookups have come from social media or dating apps How do you meet women through social media? I'm a bit older and only know how to meet women in person and through dating apps and anyone who makes a post on this sub asking how to meet women on social media gets crucified.
/r/seduction05/10/24 07:27 PM
6

If you think one or two lines matter more than the context that is created by the entirety of your interactions with her then you need to get more experience. Those lines used in the particular context that OP is describing, a context wherein he has made the girl bend over backwards to try and win him over, will absolutely have women following him around like a lost puppy. Those lines said by a guy who has been kissing her ass for a week though? Of course she'll ditch you.
/r/seduction05/10/24 06:30 PM
5

Sure lady. Go lecture them hoes that hunterpua fucks whenever he pleases.
/r/seduction05/10/24 06:18 PM
2

This is a subreddit on dating advice, what did you want him to say, "Hey I ignore girls and they work to fuck me" and leave everyone else thinking, "Ok...but how does that help me?"
/r/seduction05/10/24 06:14 PM
1

You certainly made time to engage and probably even read the post through.
/r/seduction05/10/24 06:07 PM
4

Its hard to take comments like these seriously when people like you call everyone you dislike incels, even when they clearly get laid. You seem to be having some misplaced anger here lady. You might want to take it out on the women who like riding the dicks of men who treat them like shit.
/r/seduction05/10/24 06:01 PM
4

And how many women have done all that?
/r/seduction05/10/24 01:27 PM
6

Yeah. If your attention is in low supply, there will be a higher demands for it, regardless of whether you're some sort of celebrity or not.
/r/seduction04/10/24 10:08 PM
4

Someone doesn't understand supply and demand.
/r/seduction04/10/24 08:30 PM
1

To be clear, you were the one that made the positive claim that Models was entry level stuff (at best) and that other material would serve people's interest better. As the person that made the positive claim, the burden of proof rests on you. Possibly. You can "No True Scotsman" and say that the people you'd reference instead are better than the non-exhaustive list of people I've mentioned here, but to that, I would say, how the fuck is a loser with no prospects supposed to know who's legit and …
/r/seduction03/10/24 06:58 PM
3

I value that book and even Models. Its just that they're largely overrated by this subreddit. They're good but they're not the best things you can get exposed to when it comes to dating knowledge.
/r/seduction03/10/24 04:05 PM
1

I swear, a lot of people on this subreddit act like women with overactive anti-slut defense when they read old school terms like "Peacocking." No, no one's trying to dress crazy thinking that'll make them more attractive and yes, you definitely misunderstand what Peacocking is for if your first instinct is to roll your eyes at it. People in the fashion industry, people who have zero idea about seduction and game, literally peacock all the time. Even in entire countries like Korea and Japan, peac…
/r/seduction03/10/24 04:02 PM
3

Understand Attraction by Adam Lyons and the Natural by Richard la Ruina.
/r/seduction03/10/24 03:04 PM
1

Do tell. Why? You've clearly pre-judged other material and pre-judged me, and I've already said I disagree with your opinion and by extension I don't trust your judgement either, so why would I try to explain any of this to you? Why don't you tell me what you think you know about other material? Because it sounds to me like you're just parroting 2nd hand information, just saying what others say, and not speaking based on first hand experience.
/r/seduction03/10/24 03:03 PM
-4

Imo That's nice. But your opinion is wrong.
/r/seduction03/10/24 08:45 AM
5

I'm glad someone else finally saw it. Models is not a good book to learn seduction from. Models is entry level at best. It's not the book that you base your whole game on, it's just something you read to get started and then forget about as you move on to bigger and better things.
/r/seduction03/10/24 05:30 AM
7

This sounds more like an indication of experience and not necessarily an indication of how easy it would be to seduce them. If you personally find it easier to have sex with women who have nail extensions then maybe your flirting skills are dialled in really well but you're not that good at building comfort. Because naturally, more experienced women need much less comfort facilitated by others while less experienced ones would need more just because they would naturally be more hesitant to progr…
/r/seduction02/10/24 07:59 PM
3

Try cold approach to develop your in-person flirting skills. Dates are where people who only use apps usually slip up because they've only improved their ability to text but in-person is a whole different ball game.
/r/seduction02/10/24 06:11 PM
4

Read books like The Natural by Richard la Ruina and Understand Attraction by Adam Lyons. And since those are older books, you can find people who have carried on those teachings in Modern Flirting and The Single Guy, both on youtube.
/r/seduction30/09/24 06:55 PM
3

Exactly. These kids need to grow a set.
/r/seduction30/09/24 05:38 PM
7

Its SO easy to avoid scammers. The only people who fall for scams are people who don't make good use of dating advice anyway, because they're not practicing enough and they're not digesting and understanding it enough. If you actually are someone who regularly goes out there and puts this stuff into practice, and practices intelligently (i.e. Learn a bit of theory, put that into practice, repeat, as opposed to just blindly approaching tons of women without learning any theory) you'll very quickl…
/r/seduction30/09/24 05:02 PM
11

Ugh. Why does this sub hate good advice? 🤦‍♂️ People like you make it way too easy for people like me to compete with everyone else, because you make them think that good advice is BS and BS is good advice.
/r/seduction30/09/24 04:01 PM
5

This is why my friend who is a coach happily accepts people who want help with in person dating stuff but would rather recommend people like you for online dating. Good stuff man.
/r/seduction30/09/24 08:01 AM
1

"Coz Blackpink isn't in my areaaaa!"
/r/seduction25/09/24 10:05 PM
1

And he's been active on this subreddit recently too!
/r/seduction23/09/24 06:19 AM
6

Currently, its Lloyd Dixon, The Single Guy on youtube, and Jared Lawrence, Modern Success on youtube.
/r/seduction22/09/24 08:17 PM
5

Then don't use OLD.
/r/seduction21/09/24 06:47 AM
1

Generally speaking, it helps to be up to date on the actual seduction community. This subreddit sure as hell aint it. In fact, this subreddit is largely on the outside looking in. The vast majority of people in the actual seduction community, i.e. people whose "instructor lineage" can be traced back to Mystery, Neil Strauss, Ross Jeffries, RSD, etc used to suck with women really bad and transformed themselves. Btw, I'm not saying to learn directly from Mystery and the other guys I mentioned, nor…
/r/seduction13/09/24 09:20 PM
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You can't imagine because all you're doing is imagining. I was lucky enough to be part of a community that met face to face back when it was more of a thing. We got to hang out with tons of dating coaches for free. They didn't really teach us much but we got to see them seducing women live and there really is a different level that trancends looks or type. We kinda knew that already because some of us were pretty good at seduction but it got hammered even further when we saw the things some of t…
/r/seduction13/09/24 11:29 AM
1

What/who did you learn from?
/r/seduction13/09/24 06:09 AM
1

I prefer cold approach myself but damn, "how low you're willing to go?" Ross Jeffries and Mystery's stuff is 20 years old now. There's so much better stuff that came out in the past 2 decades that doesn't involve "going low". Why does it feel like everyone on this subreddit is so out of date?
/r/seduction12/09/24 08:52 PM
1

How long have you been cold approaching?
/r/seduction12/09/24 08:45 PM
2

Seriously, keep posting. Don’t give up. So that's all you do, keep posting. No learning. No experience. No wonder your advice is so shitty. Just a copywriter trying to string together the best words to trick people into thinking you know what you're talking about.
/r/seduction12/09/24 05:07 PM
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See my above reply.
/r/seduction12/09/24 04:57 PM
-1

Lol again. Anyone who clicks into my profile can easily fact check you on your BS. 🤣
/r/seduction12/09/24 04:44 PM
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Lol. That's only because you didn't look. I have comments that blow this shit out of the water. 🤣
/r/seduction12/09/24 04:40 PM
1

Respond something funny to her story How often does this get responses?
/r/seduction12/09/24 04:34 PM
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Man, if this is the extent of knowledge that guys who have websites dedicated to giving dating advice have nowadays then we really have regressed as a community. You're just some marketer who's understanding of dating is only at the tip of the iceberg. Should you generally match her energy? Yes. Is that all you should be doing in your interactions with women? Fuck no. You should be more focused on actively doing things to get her to put in much more energy than you. And OP, don't even try to ass…
/r/seduction12/09/24 04:32 PM
1

How do you get things started with a girl on Instagram?
/r/seduction12/09/24 04:06 PM
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They banned you because you were actually getting good results from the app and that's bad for their bottom line.
/r/seduction11/09/24 05:36 PM
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Sure. I believe you.
/r/seduction07/09/24 10:54 PM
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Found the incel! ^
/r/seduction07/09/24 10:10 PM
1

Good looks is only enough to get your foot into her door Eh. More often than not, this is a cop out. Can good looks get you in the door? Absolutely. Is the girl liking your looks the only way to get your foot in the door? Absolutely NOT. You may already agree with this and it might not have been your intention to make it seem like looks is the only way to get your foot in the door but I believe it's important to make that fact clear on this particular subreddit, because its littered with guys wh…
/r/seduction07/09/24 10:05 PM
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Damn, you really can find crabs in a bucket everywhere, can't you? The guy isn't that experienced and is just sharing some insights that he had and you go and shit all over him for it? Worst part is, at least 70 people on this sub condone you for doing that to him. Yes, I'm talking to you, everyone who upvoted the comment above me, you bitch-ass crabs. Its like you people want to discourage others from improving. You're miserable so you want others to stay miserable with you. Losers. They're goo…
/r/seduction07/09/24 03:54 PM
2

That's also what OP is talking about and that's also the behaviour I'm referring to in my first comment. I have no issue with people who actually give attention to their social skills as part of their self-improvement, so why are you trying to argue as if I do?
/r/seduction05/09/24 06:18 AM
1

Hence, cold approach.
/r/seduction05/09/24 05:03 AM
18

Only a desperate simp sees a problem with that.
/r/seduction04/09/24 05:36 AM
3

What you're talking about is working on yourself in the general sense, you probably also include socialising in that. If you don't understand what I'm referring to when I say "working on yourself" you haven't been reading my comments properly.
/r/seduction03/09/24 08:03 PM
2

You cannot heal your attachment style in solitude. There you go. Yet another reason to not hide away from the world to "wOrK oN yOuRsElF"
/r/seduction03/09/24 06:11 PM
9

Your attachment style doesn't give you an excuse to hide away from the world and delude yourself into thinking you're making a difference for your dating life by improving yourself in solitude. Also, anxious attachment can be managed through therapy. You may always be able to feel it but it doesn't have to always affect you in a meaningfully negative way.
/r/seduction03/09/24 06:05 PM
13

Absolutely. Social skills are skills, just like any other skill. If you can learn to drive a car, you can learn to have better conversations, be funnier, and be more charming. People are just afraid of going through the stage where they're actively practicing but still suck at social skills because it means having to go through awkward and embarrassing situations a lot. So when they learn something and it doesn't immediately get them the result that the book, person, or video says it can get you…
/r/seduction03/09/24 04:59 PM
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This is different, because you included this: better conversations/humour/charm What OP is talking about is withdrawing from the world and only improving on the non-social aspects of yourself. And lets not pretend that guys don't do that. I've met so many men in real life who are struggling with dating who think they can just focus on their job, physique, mindset, basically stuff that doesn't require you to get better at social interactions and they go through the same cycle over and over again.…
/r/seduction03/09/24 02:34 PM
0

My man! This guy gets it!
/r/seduction03/09/24 02:21 PM
7

Not worrying about my looks.
/r/seduction01/09/24 06:47 AM
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She's messed up in the head. I mean literally. I'm not an expert but it sounds like she has some sort of bipolar disorder or something.
/r/seduction31/08/24 05:13 PM
2

This is how you can tell the quality of advice on this sub has gone to shit. The only comment that actually gives good advice (the one from u/DaygameCode) doesn't even have half of the upvotes of the top one that only contains judgemental, self-righteous bullshit from someone (u/No_Hat9118) who likely can't actually answer the question. We used to learn actual psychology and influence, stuff backed up by official psychological studies. Now, what gets upvoted is stuff a random buddy of yours coul…
/r/seduction27/08/24 10:05 PM
2

If a woman finds you attractive she’ll make it very easy for you to talk to her and all of sudden you feel like you have “game” and social skills when in reality she just let you be smooth and facilitated a good convo. This is the real cope. Because yes, women will do that but actual game also exists. If you haven't been able to observe that in the real world, with guys who don't even consciously learn game, then that's just an indication of how poor your game is, because you can't even read soc…
/r/seduction27/08/24 04:56 PM
3

Oh so when you said minimum physical standards you meant anything better than a morbidly obese sweaty neckbeard? Well, you don't even need the gym to do better than that!
/r/seduction26/08/24 06:55 PM
3

women's minimum physical standards. The number of women who actually take those seriously is extremely low. It's just that you keep seeing the crazy 1% online so it makes you think everyone thinks like that. There are so many other areas you can improve on to make yourself more attractive. Looks is only one slice of the pie. And if you actually know how to flirt and seduce, as long as you're able to have a conversation with a woman, you can make her want you.
/r/seduction26/08/24 06:32 PM
3

Typical gym bro cope. You can love the gym but it helps to also not be boring at parties.
/r/seduction26/08/24 06:25 PM
2

6'5. Not 6'0. Not 6'1. 6'5. Hence, proving Mystery's teachings that looks are nowhere near as important as social value.
/r/seduction26/08/24 06:24 PM
2

And then she ghosts you after the first date.
/r/seduction26/08/24 06:22 PM
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Looks get you to the table Yeah but that's like 1 of a thousand things that'll get you there. All you need is to be able to have a conversation with a woman to make something happen and she doesn't need to perceive you as good looking for you to be able to do that. If someone's too awkward or dumb to be able to have a conversation with a woman without having a 6-pack then that's the real issue.
/r/seduction26/08/24 06:20 PM
1

I agree with the point that this main post is making and I absolutely agree with what you said too and would even add that scarcity is another reason why most men stop talking to girls once they get one phone number. Because its like they don't believe other women will give them their numbers so they just fixate on the first one that does as if she's the only one he has any hope with. That said, one thing I don't like about the term "numbers game" is that some people interpret it to mean you jus…
/r/seduction21/08/24 08:00 AM
5

This is it right here. OP, you probably won't even need to use it, ever. But just having the skills to neutralize physical threats will give you much more confidence when dealing with hostile men. It'll certainly give you the confidence to clap back at any of the BS they throw your way and make them look like fools.
/r/seduction07/08/24 08:49 AM
3

Instagram? You'll get a lot farther by showing off a high status lifestyle than any amount of muscles will ever get you. There are way more chicks who are ready to fuck Justin Bieber's lanky ass than there are chicks who'd wanna fuck your favourite fitness influencer. But don't be a typical dude who only sees things as black and white. Just because muscles aren't the be all, end all doesn't mean they won't have any contribution to your attractiveness. Build them, just don't neglect other things …
/r/seduction21/07/24 08:59 PM
3

This is legit. Some of the responses to this are gonna reveal who actually goes out there and talks to women and who's just a keyboard warrior.
/r/seduction03/07/24 08:42 PM
1

They just don't want you to exert mental or psychological effort into getting in their pants because putting forth that effort is their job. What do you mean by mental or psychological effort? I just want to be clear before I respond so I can do so appropriately or in case we might already be on the same page.
/r/seduction30/06/24 11:41 AM
1

If you quit gaming to impress women it'll backfire. But if you quit gaming because your gaming addiction is so bad that it affects your health, energy levels, and time and it hinders you from working on your improvement and simply spending time interacting with women then quitting will be very beneficial. Also, there's nothing wrong with trying hard to improve with women. Its only temporary. Eventually, if you keep going with it, it'll be like every skill you used to try hard at, effortless. Its…
/r/seduction30/06/24 05:18 AM
8

Women that are into you will move heaven and earth to see you. *Women that are EXTREMELY into you.... There's levels to it, just like us men have varying levels of attraction for different women too. You think women can't be attracted to multiple men at once and if prompted, can't arrange them from the one they want the least to the one they want the most? "If she's into you" can be one of the biggest cop outs sometimes.
/r/seduction27/06/24 11:17 AM
0

Lol. This guy is writing articles against dating courses while probably selling a dating course himself.
/r/seduction06/06/24 12:36 PM
2

That "some" is like 10% and that's already pretty generous.
/r/seduction03/06/24 07:50 PM
5

Sounds like you're new here. Maybe you haven't read the rule about questions that are too broad. The simple answer to this is "learn game" while the more detailed answer would be someone teaching you game or giving you a laundry list of things to learn which will essentially have you learning game. Like I said, too broad. You'll get your answer from just reading through the advice on this subreddit.
/r/seduction30/05/24 07:53 AM
2

Exactly. So plastic. Its like how women outwardly say a fat celebrity is beautiful but then get offended when someone says they look like that celebrity. Like, it would be a lot easier if you just say what you really think, not what you think you're supposed to say. Its so much easier and more respectable to just call things like they are, rather than be ambiguous because you're afraid that people will know that you're actually talking about a polarizing topic. At the end of the day, regardless …
/r/seduction25/05/24 05:33 PM
2

So then its ok to discuss cold approach on this sub, as long as you don't treat it as a daunting job?
/r/seduction25/05/24 11:21 AM
2

years of practice, failures and dedication, This makes it sound like you're only referring to how he is now, not what he did to get to this point.
/r/seduction25/05/24 10:17 AM
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