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kazagistar/r/seduction17/11/11 11:48 PM
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kazagistar/r/seduction10/04/12 08:33 PM
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Cultural difference. It depends on who and where you are.
/r/seduction01/09/17 08:16 PM
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I um like totally don't like have like a speech um impediment, you know?
/r/seduction03/03/17 03:17 AM
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Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was agreeing with you. people will you have to fight you have to struggle , you have to do everything in your power to get the things you want in life Absolutely. And you have the choice to do those things. And the choice to reject any girl you want if you don't like what you see. Just as she has the choice to reject you the same way. But you have the choice to struggle and become better and get rejected less. The only way things could be truly fair is if there weren't…
/r/seduction03/02/17 07:51 AM
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Its impossible to have perfect freedom and perfect justice. If people are allowed to freely chose their sexual partners, then you have to be one of the best choices to be chosen. "Fair" would mean a destruction of that freedom.
/r/seduction03/02/17 05:49 AM
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Jealousy isn't attractive.
/r/seduction11/11/16 03:31 AM
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A frame is the implied assumptions about a situation and the emotions around them. The thing about a frame is that you cannot just contradict it, you have to replace it. "Yes, but not as a date." implies that there is some hard distinction between a date and a not-date, where a date has sexual or romantic intent, and a not-date implies chaste or only-friends intent, and that a choice must be select beforehand. This is a lose lose due to the way it is stated, which is very common "trap". Just agr…
/r/seduction05/10/16 08:06 PM
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Unless I am missing tone, "Sure whatever" is not rejecting her, its accepting it.
/r/seduction05/10/16 07:22 PM
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First, for someone like OP was before making the change, that's already progress... at least she had to make herself an out, which is better then just being handed one on a silver platter like "Wanna go for coffee.... you know just a friendly thing or whatever its cool". I would say just reject her frame with something like "Eh, whatever, same thing." Make it clear her arbitrary distinctions between "date" and "not date" don't matter.
/r/seduction05/10/16 05:47 PM
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Trying to sleep with women is not wrong in any way on its won, but neither does it justify being a terrible person. Then again, I don't think OP is crossing the line, at least not merely from his description.
/r/seduction05/10/16 05:35 PM
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This is called the 'Yes But...' game in transactional analysis. Read the related section here.
/r/seduction19/08/16 01:20 AM
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Well, at the very least, it crosses off one thing from the list of things that make you happy, so you can stop worrying about it.
/r/seduction17/05/16 03:51 PM
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That does not seem strange at all. Sleeps with guys easily -> High partner count. Lots of hangups about sex -> Low partner count.
/r/seduction19/02/16 06:10 PM
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The only meaningful thing here is: “I don’t like [insincere response]; say yes or no" The rest is a pile of /r/iamverysmart word salad.
/r/seduction23/01/16 05:55 PM
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I... can't figure out the logististics. I know people say you shouldn't do it via text, but that makes logistics conplex. Do you invite her on a date to dump her? Do you send her some ominous text so she isnt caught off guard. Ugh.
/r/seduction06/01/16 07:10 AM
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Attacking people for not being nice to you only earns you friends around professional victims. Being defensive about flaws is not attractive. .
/r/seduction05/01/16 06:26 PM
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Homework: read the sidebar, then explain to me how three concepts from there apply to this situation.
/r/seduction01/01/16 06:04 PM
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Unless you live in a toxic household, stay as long as they will have you and as long as it makes economic sense. If your parents cock-block you then they are assholes. I lived in my dads basement until I got a job in another city, and it never caused any problems and put me in an excellent financial situation.
/r/seduction31/12/15 05:35 PM
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Many perspectives can be wrong while still having some kernel of truth. Personally, I see TRP as largely misguided, but still a valuable perspective to study.
/r/seduction24/11/15 12:36 AM
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As with all stereotypes, it's true for everyone. On a related note watermellon and fried chicken taste goddamn amazing.
/r/seduction23/11/15 03:18 PM
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Awkward pauses and sexual tension are two halves of the same coin.
/r/seduction21/11/15 07:55 PM
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Any time you try to find the right "balance" between extremes, you have to push yourself to go just a bit over the top in the direction you are not as naturally inclined towards. Make sure you are being at least somewhat socially aware, but you cannot really understand the game til you have some idea of its bounderies.
/r/seduction21/11/15 07:24 PM
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The key word is heuristic. Use your judgement.
/r/seduction28/09/15 01:58 PM
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Markdown is the standard format used by reddit, and ignores your numbers and counts up. You could number your post with all ones, or out of order, and it would still count 1, 2, 3, etc. The advantage is that of your write a long list, and them add one at the top, you don't have to renumber it.
/r/seduction22/09/15 07:03 AM
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Because all real people come into this world born with impeccable social skills and know the best way to act in any situation.
/r/seduction25/07/15 02:41 PM
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OK
/r/seduction10/06/15 02:12 PM
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Is it pointless to hang out with guys unless there is romance involved? If you keep hanging out with the same guy one-on-one all the time is that a dating thing? No, that's silly. So how does gender change anything? It is all limiting beliefs in your head.
/r/seduction06/05/15 02:34 AM
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Social status and social skill is a powerful indicator as well, maybe even more then the above, and can be "faked" by maintaining a strong state. We are, after all, social animals, and your social "rank" has an important impact on future wealth and power.
/r/seduction26/04/15 06:30 PM
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Sidebar (approach anxiety) ---->
/r/seduction13/03/15 02:59 PM
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If you find this theme interesting for more then just its inspirational value, I strongly suggest Mr. Nobody a movie following dozens of branching paths through the life of one individual, each with happiness and tragedy.
/r/seduction12/03/15 02:32 PM
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Oppertunities aren't finite. They only run out when you die, or when you dont take them.
/r/seduction04/03/15 02:30 PM
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Play to lose. Rejection therapy. Thick skin does not just happen, it is something learned, and a good way to bypass mental blocks is to make your goal getting blown out for the next 100 approaches or so.
/r/seduction28/01/15 03:31 PM
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I dont even think there is really a difference between the two. Or not more then the difference between "doing something once" and "doing something out of habit".
/r/seduction23/12/14 06:44 AM
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If you were natural, you wouldn't need to learn to be better at seduction.
/r/seduction23/12/14 06:39 AM
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If you expand this a bit, you get pessimism, which is pretty awesome and very under appreciated psychological tool in this modern environment.
/r/seduction22/12/14 08:59 PM
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He read a post and felt really inspired, like this would surely help him become the person he wanted to be. He then clicked the back button, and continued idly browsing reddit during finals week.
/r/seduction05/12/14 10:44 PM
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It is kinda hard to distinguish between quality and shitty posts in an automated way.
/r/seduction30/11/14 11:00 AM
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In most cases, you can just read the sidebar and skip the community entirely. You can return later once you have a bit of experience under your belt.
/r/seduction30/11/14 10:58 AM
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Did you read the line underneath? Or the article at all? The point was not that the advice pictured was good. The point was that the act of asking was in itself a fun game, and that after nudging them to get over the silly answers (like that one), you can get girls to actually open up in a meaningful way this way.
/r/seduction14/11/14 09:03 PM
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One problem with externalizing blame is that often blame goes to "other people", or more specifically "the cool kids". If you see large portion of society (specifically those who are fairly socially apt) as antagonistic towards you, as the douchebags and bitches who screwed you over, your interactions are going to be a lot more negative and insular. If you see them as interesting people who had different experiences and priorities, you will be able to actually learn and grow much easier. So exte…
/r/seduction18/10/14 09:47 PM
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Chill out, jealousy does no-one any good.
/r/seduction17/10/14 08:15 AM
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Guess what, my statement does not apply universally, and requires a bit of interpretation. For example "most people" implies, in this case, to the subjects of the behavior.
/r/seduction05/10/14 10:01 AM
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Irony is an empty argument.
/r/seduction05/10/14 01:10 AM
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What if society inherently favors the dicks? If you are doing something that most people like, you aren't a dick. Your question is almost nonsensical, but it is a classic viewpoint of people who come from pickup from an "outsider" perspective. "I am kinda jealous of those people who have pick up chicks and have mutually consentual one night stands all the time, so I must rationalize their behavior as that of assholes, to excuse myself from putting in the effort to learn the same skills and facin…
/r/seduction05/10/14 12:54 AM
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Love shouldn't be strategy, it should arise out of the way two people naturally are and want to interact with one another. So, if you naturally use the right strategy, good for you, and if you naturally use shitty strategy, you shouldn't try to change and should just be screwed?
/r/seduction05/10/14 12:17 AM
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I've been pretty close to bears. They generally don't give two shits about you, or even go out of their way to avoid you. Just keep on going, no need to piss it off for no reason.
/r/seduction24/09/14 08:28 PM
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Interesting. I really cannot argue with the idea of avoiding things that make you a worse person, I do that myself in many areas of my life. It seems like another possible way of dealing with this that might be more positive if you could get it to work is to identify what about those "negative friends" drains you, and figure out how to avoid the effect, without having to cut those kinds of people out of your life. People cannot make you feel shitty without you allowing them to.
/r/seduction15/09/14 11:29 PM
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What month you are born decides your personality cause gypsies say so! ... let me give you a hint; it works as long as you read personality according to sign, like any other cold reading, and can be an entertaining game or pastime. The other way around has exactly 1/12 chance of working, because no ACTUAL correlations exist.
/r/seduction15/09/14 11:25 PM
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I would go one further... I select friends who have interesting and different perspectives on things. We all disagree on some fundamental values... I maybe have one friend who has a remotely similar view on pickup, and many others who see it as disturbing, pointless, cruel, and so on. They key point, however, is that we respect each other, and we discuss these things from a position of respect. I broaden my understanding while broadening theirs, and I challenge their misconceptions as they revea…
/r/seduction15/09/14 11:23 PM
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This went through my mind... Girl: "So what do you do?" dan: (reaches into coat) "one sec..." dan: (pulls out crumpled notebook labeled PUA TIPS) "... ummm... lets see.... here it is! I AM HANDSOME!!!"
/r/seduction14/09/14 09:41 AM
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You get pizza with a cute girl and get her to pay for it. You take a picture proving it, and post it to the forums. Everyone knows how big your dick is now. ... man, I miss the silly days of /r/pickup sometimes, but it was probably for the best.
/r/seduction14/09/14 08:13 AM
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Not buying it, but I can see where your argument comes from, even if I have problems with it. However, this offtopic has gone on a bit far I think, so thanks for your input.
/r/seduction14/09/14 08:01 AM
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I mean, if I invite someone from a third world country to do my construction work or farming or something for below minimum wage, it is exploitative, irrelevant of the fact that they "get to travel". What makes domestic work categorically different?
/r/seduction14/09/14 06:04 AM
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... offtopic, and unrelated to your excellent story, but after reading up on au pairs, I got a really bad feeling in my stomach. Isn't it just a way to get cheap exploitable domestic labor?
/r/seduction14/09/14 03:03 AM
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Why would anyone judge a subreddit by the comments that most of its members think are shitty? That makes no sense.
/r/seduction14/09/14 02:58 AM
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Don't worry about it, the only close worth anything is the pizza-close anyways.
/r/seduction14/09/14 02:56 AM
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Often, the difficulty is the squinch? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff7nltdBCHs
/r/seduction31/08/14 05:34 PM
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There are clearly many kinds of attractive body types, but people who work out regularly and do not have overly excessive body fat tend to be more attractive on average.
/r/seduction28/08/14 12:59 PM
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This seems more like something for /r/sex, if you haven't yet posted there.
/r/seduction16/08/14 07:22 PM
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Our local place is "Pho Real".
/r/seduction16/08/14 06:52 AM
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It turns out that the only people who are consistently awkward and creepy are those who constantly worry about being awkward and creepy.
/r/seduction02/08/14 11:59 PM
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How often have you actually had a girl freak out, slap, or yell at you?
/r/seduction02/08/14 09:29 PM
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Could you explain what these assumptions are? I am curious.
/r/seduction02/08/14 09:07 PM
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I would feel like I'm annoying the shit out of them. You have no idea, and your mind imagines silly limiting bullshit. Instead, just walk up, say hi, say something else, and do it 100 times. If you still feel like you "just" annoyed them, go do charity for a few hours something to more then make up for it.
/r/seduction18/07/14 09:52 PM
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Meh, there is so much judgmentalism that runs rampant through opinion pieces like this. Sure, some personality traits that might be attractive to many women might be unattractive to others. I won't disagree with that part, and it is a good insight to bear in mind. But when you start throwing around words like "skank" and claiming that the "kind of woman a PUA attracts" is inherently lower quality then the "well-adjusted women", then you are pushing some really nasty, judgemental, and unhelpful i…
/r/seduction09/07/14 10:34 PM
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He explains shortly afterwards where that mentality comes, and why it is pretty normal for guys and girls.
/r/seduction14/05/14 05:48 PM
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Its not that the internet is at fault. Of course there is good communication. There is just a lot of "communication" that does nothing for any kind of advancement or reason, and most people appear to be very bad at making the right choice of which to partake it. Regression is unlikely, but careful consideration and reflection is possible.
/r/seduction04/05/14 08:47 AM
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she seemed very taken aback that I had cold approached her And then you found out that your imagined reason was bullshit. Don't imagine their reasons for them, you will often imagine them way worse then they are for no reason.
/r/seduction26/04/14 06:07 AM
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I am not sure why my personal preferences and advice made you feel marginalized, but I have no idea what is so "fucked up" about it.
/r/seduction25/04/14 04:03 AM
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My bad, you are obviously right. I misspoke. I tend to like flattering clothes on women like I imagine most men do, though I cannot think of any items in particular. But I just don't spend any time analyzing it or figuring out anything about brands or specific styles or whatnot. I don't care as consciously as lot of people seem to.
/r/seduction24/04/14 11:07 AM
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When you are bad at a language, you practice and study, and get better at the language. When you are bad in a class, you practice and get better at that subject. When you are bad at a sport, you practice and get better at that sport. And if you are just starting, and suck, you don't feel like you are "a failure", you just realize you are a student and have a lot still to learn. If someone is better then you, you see them as a mentor, or a goal to shoot for. Yet somehow, we think socialization an…
/r/seduction24/04/14 08:21 AM
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the moral of the story is that you should never judge people without knowing them I would say the moral in your title is a better one. Most people would agree with the above statement, and most people judge by appearance. So look good, as much as you can. Side note: I can't understand all the bullshit about "expressing yourself" in fashion. Myself does not give two shits about how people dress, and I tend to value practical utility over superficial appearances. But if I truly represented that in…
/r/seduction24/04/14 07:13 AM
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It sounds like your evidence is less related to attractive women, and more men vs women in general. Not that your sample is large enough to be predictive, but it might just be that guys tend to hang out on their own more in general.
/r/seduction24/04/14 06:54 AM
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Well, some people can be very determined about this sort of thing.
/r/seduction21/04/14 09:46 AM
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Or tell them a hilarious sexual fantasy, but I think the former is better.
/r/seduction18/04/14 10:28 PM
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Being good in new social situations is a skill like any other. The first step is to just practice a bunch. Its better to analyze mistakes then make plans and never follow through. Just remember that most of the "success" of a social interaction has little to do with you anyways... they might have a good or bad day, or you might remind them of someone they like or dislike, etc. Thus, their reaction says next to nothing about you, and you can experiment fearlessly.
/r/seduction17/04/14 06:05 AM
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Communication has a lot more then words. Silence can be time for sexual tension to build. Be comfortable in it.
/r/seduction13/04/14 09:58 PM
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I call it a "false dependency", and after identifying it, I started noticing myself using it all the time. Being aware of it has helped improve my life tremendously.
/r/seduction13/04/14 09:55 PM
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Its also very well assembled and reasonably formatted and written, with some good and some controvertial advice, which sounds like the traits of many upvoted posts here
/r/seduction02/04/14 08:11 PM
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In neither case does Lily Allen actually matter. She is just a particular instance of a message that is being discussed. Looking at the person, in this case, is utterly irrelevant.
/r/MensRights14/03/14 08:23 PM
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I have no idea what you mean by "sexually responsible".
/r/seduction13/03/14 05:33 PM
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Its actually listed directly in the video comments. You're Afraid of Making Mistakes (01:04) You Don't Let Girls Know Want to Have Sex With Them (08:58) You Don't Lead the Conversation, Date & Seduction (20:40) You've Don't Have The Specific Skill-set to be Successful with Women (31:28) You Lack Energy When You're Meeting, Dating & Seducing Women (33:13) You're Scared of Beautiful Women (45:00) You Don't Plan Dates, so They Are Fun, Romantic & Lead to Bed (48:48) You Lack Social Intelligence (Ab…
/r/seduction09/03/14 08:33 PM
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Never understood why lying is considered immoral. Lying is only bad if it hurts someone more then the truth; there is nothing inherently more moral about the truth.
/r/seduction09/03/14 08:01 PM
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Practically speaking, success is far FAR harder to deal with then rejection. Rejection means that you are free to refocus your attention wherever, while success means you have to put in all the extra effort into following up, setting up logistics, etc. Anything else is in your head. That doesn't make it not real, but it does mean you can potentially change it, by slowly changing your way of thinking.
/r/seduction03/03/14 02:24 PM
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Not talking to a girl is a worse result then getting blown out. You still think you are "worse"?
/r/seduction01/03/14 08:03 PM
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I spend a lot of my life in places where getting a call is either inconvenient or impossible. So if you call me and it is not an emergency, I will be pretty pissed, because it means I had to do something like pull over to the side of the road, stand up and leave the room, or just lose focus (which in my area of work can mean a good 20 min of progress down the drain). Do people really spend most of their day in situations where they would be OK with being interrupted?
/r/seduction01/03/14 07:44 PM
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Cause Science.
/r/seduction27/02/14 08:17 PM
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Why do you care what you look like? You look like someone sitting at home on reddit right now, which is a step down.
/r/seduction22/02/14 06:13 AM
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I am still utterly confused as to where you are getting this from. Abstract language communicates that I am judgmental of women? I judge women for being sluts? What? Did you read a word I wrote?
/r/seduction17/02/14 08:22 AM
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My abstract language is a somewhat unfortunate byproduct of the fact that I spend on average 12 hours a day thinking about computer software. It is also an attempt to remove sex from consideration, because I think it is irrelevant in this case. You also have completely misunderstood my personal position. I don't care if girls I am dating sleep with other guys whatsoever... the jealousy part of attraction is not a thing for me. I would say that it seems pretty obvious that someone who is willing …
/r/seduction17/02/14 12:02 AM
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I answered your question. And the last bit was exactly on topic. You asked: When is it morally acceptable to try and move over the other guy? And I answered: The opinions of strangers don't matter. The opinions of those you care about matter. So, ask the people you really respect, and whose opinion of you really matters to you. ... amongst other things. I think the misunderstanding is due to a difference in perspective about what morality is. The idea that there is an absolute morality is so abs…
/r/seduction16/02/14 11:53 PM
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No. The third party does not bear the fault. This is not a universally held opinion, but amongst the guys and girls who I have discussed this with, it seems to be pretty clearly agreed upon. (I asked quite a few people their opinions in the past; it is an interesting question). While it is no great moral triumph for any of the three parties, the responsibility is squarely on the shoulders of the cheating party, since he/she is the only person who has the ability to evaluate the full situation. I…
/r/seduction15/02/14 04:38 PM
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Your goal is not to relax. Your goal is to get rejected like mad. Your goal is to get rejected so bad it makes a scene. Because your goal has nothing to do with right now, but with the future... you are getting out of your head and overcoming your fears. The harder it hits you, the quicker the callous grows.
/r/seduction11/02/14 07:46 PM
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Just to throw out another option: she could just have some really deep set moral beliefs about sex that you are not going to change easily, and your best option might be to next her.
/r/seduction10/02/14 01:00 AM
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Did you even read the post?
/r/seduction10/02/14 12:58 AM
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People extrapolate too much from their own experience. Some guys are OK with sharing. Some guys aren't. Some girls are OK with sharing. Some girls aren't. There is a real danger in taking something like "girls found guys who are married more attractive" and extrapolating it out... in many cases, they might have found him less attractive, but those might be the minority, and the statistics only show the majority case. So, if you say something like "if you want to have multiple girls at the same t…
/r/seduction10/02/14 12:57 AM
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I just rewatched it myself. His game is spot on: calm, controlled, focused, straightforward.
/r/seduction09/02/14 10:24 PM
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An oft repeated piece of advice is that when you are not in state, learn to get yourself in state. Feeling shitty, unmotivated, unsocial, etc? Experiment and find out what changes that; for many guys, its just taking to random people.
/r/seduction09/02/14 08:49 AM
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Just ask if its OK if you call her later?
/r/seduction09/02/14 05:19 AM
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Forget sexual, just boring on low volume. If the movie is too good, both of us just forget the sex and watch the movie. If it is is sufficiently mediocre, then all of a sudden the person next to you is much more interesting.
/r/seduction09/02/14 04:40 AM
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That's because your intuition has been corrupted by society. Not because your intuition is normal.
/r/seduction04/02/14 02:04 PM
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You already know exactly which steps to take. You just have a mental barrier for some reason preventing you from taking them. awful looking clothes Get nice, fasionable clothes. a terrible haircut Get a nice haircut. sat in my own corner Sit amongst the other students in the middle. never really talked to anyone Force yourself to talk to people. I hear people giggling behind my back [...] shed probably laugh in my face as soon as she saw me coming near her First of all, not everyone is a total a…
/r/seduction30/01/14 02:59 PM
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Read the first item in the FAQ. Its just over there >>>>>>>
/r/seduction30/01/14 07:34 AM
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Sure, first link I found: http://psychology.about.com/od/cognitivepsychology/a/left-brain-right-brain.htm Its not really a pickup thing. Its just that the left brain vs right brain is a misconception from the early 80s. Psychologists have found that is just isn't true, but people still love to trot it out when making baseless generalizations about "human nature".
/r/seduction30/01/14 07:28 AM
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I scanned it sceptically, until I reached shit like "hemisphere for creativity, hemisphere for logic" and just NOPEd it right there. If their "science" is unsubstantiated old wives tales then I want nothing to do with it.
/r/seduction29/01/14 04:20 PM
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Misleading title... this does not say anything about "what accessories say about you".
/r/seduction09/01/14 04:18 AM
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You realize this is not religious writing at all, but a fictional novel written by a german author? It boils down to a rephrasing of the idea that the journey is more important in some ways then the goal, which is hardly religion specific. Try to focus on your own critical thinking and skepticism before criticizing others.
/r/seduction04/01/14 06:28 PM
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Hahaha, as if public education ever had me read good books like this. Schooling is something given to you. Education is something you have to do for yourself.
/r/seduction04/01/14 06:22 PM
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Not sure if it is beauty or just classic "cold reading" style tricks. How meaningful something is is not defined by which meanings it includes, but which meanings it excludes.
/r/seduction04/01/14 06:21 PM
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Don't blindly follow the rules.
/r/seduction11/12/13 05:05 AM
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why things will not get better for us And this is why we avoid you like the rash. Cause you have a terrible "doom" mentality. We all have had and still have limiting beliefs and insecurities. Some people face them and challenge them at every turn; others throw their hands up in dispair, and try to take as many people with them as they can to preserve their egos.
/r/seduction08/12/13 01:40 PM
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You now have tools that you have seen are incredibly useful. The time of scaricty is past. Its OK if you screw just one of the interactions up... the next cute girl is already waiting in a bus for you. So go and have fun... she probably had something specific in mind when she invited you over, and talking over tea was probably not it. ;)
/r/seduction08/12/13 12:06 PM
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It is -14 degrees F outside in the mornings, and even inside the heater strains to keep things warm. I ain't giving up warm showers for anything.
/r/seduction08/12/13 11:59 AM
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Meh, I can't really give you any advice. In my case, a crazy girl decided I was cool and basically took initative. Actually learning seduction stuff came after.
/r/seduction08/12/13 11:41 AM
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"She does not really care about the answer." "She is just being silly." "I just want to do stuff that I think is hilarious."
/r/seduction26/11/13 11:51 PM
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"That guy who is trying to be a ladies man" often has far more success then everyone else, by virtue of just trying.
/r/seduction25/11/13 04:25 PM
2

Success and wealth strike me as orthogonal: success is being good at something you are passionate about, and wealth is having lots of money... the correlation is very weak. I tend to not be to fond of people who get them confused. No, "gold digger" is not the right term, but I make it a point not to flaunt wealth; it acts as an effective filter.
/r/seduction15/11/13 06:33 PM
3

The truth is less important then mindset. If the two come into conflict, pick the better mindset.
/r/seduction14/11/13 07:17 PM
30

Underhand pussy is the easiest snatch.
/r/seduction29/10/13 12:40 AM
1

One of the specific strategies is polarization. That is, for the most dramatic positive results, you have to risk the most dramatic negative results. Then you quickly split the world into those who think you are utterly awesome and those who think you are a terrible human. Hence, many of the very specific tactics, while not universal, are still very effective at polarizing, and lead to better outcomes.
/r/seduction16/10/13 08:53 AM
1

I don't see how "this subreddit" ignores individual variation. But just because some factors are out of your control (we can call these factors collectively "luck") does not mean there is not better or worse strategies.
/r/seduction15/10/13 01:40 AM
2

Then you need to re-tune your emotions to be more in line with self improvement. Finding some way in which you are wrong, or have been doing things sub-optimally, or have had a bad perspective on things your entire life... that is a joyous event, to be elated over.
/r/seduction15/10/13 01:26 AM
1

You should post to /r/sex as well; this is exactly their cup of tea.
/r/seduction10/10/13 04:02 PM
2

Value has not been uniform or linear since middle school, and certainly not since high school. Different people have different values. This is what compatibility means.
/r/seduction07/10/13 03:10 PM
1

I don't think this is exactly true, because who I am changes, and so my ideal girl changes with it. No one stays at the best for very long anyways.
/r/seduction07/10/13 03:06 PM
1

You can tell virgins to not put sex on a pedestal (both guys and girls do it) but you ain't gonna convince them however hard you try.
/r/seduction29/09/13 07:40 PM
22

"I made my choice."
/r/seduction25/09/13 02:39 PM
3

Any interaction that increases sexual tension, but it is much easier to understand it's inverse, which is actions that decrease sexual tension. For example, never interacting at all, talking about "safe" or "boring subjects", speaking in a weak tone of voice, maintaining personal space, etc.
/r/seduction23/09/13 07:46 AM
2

Only for those too weak to seek it. There still is privacy in many contexts, its just not as easy anymore.
/r/seduction23/09/13 07:30 AM
6

Right. Except this wasn't a study, it was a demo made to explain information that has been gathered via more rigorous means to audiences who are willing to watch short and fun video clips, as opposed to actually reviewing dozens of rigorous studies.
/r/seduction21/09/13 04:44 PM
4

How about you try to, say, look up the halo effect? This is like dismissing physics because Bill Nye is not rigourous enough in his demonstrations.
/r/seduction21/09/13 04:41 PM
1

I love Seneca. The Stoics had a seriously interesting philosophy that has fallen out of favor in these times of forced optimism and cheerfulness.
/r/seduction07/09/13 04:50 PM
4

The usual way is to just tell her you have something to show her, like a movie or whatever. Its understood to mean sex, to the point where girls will be surprised and/or annoyed if you really did just want to show them your guitar or something.
/r/seduction01/09/13 04:37 AM
1

Ugh, I cannot find any custom sized condom distributors in the USA. Do you (or anyone) have any recommendations? I have looked a few times before in the past.
/r/seduction16/08/13 02:37 AM
1

For some people, myself included "serious game" just sounded stupid (and I still think it is important to not take it too seriously). I got into it by reading it as a joke, as silly crazy people writing random crap about how to be a dick on the internet (Pook was thus secretly my first teacher). Only, some of it actually clicked. If someone tried to teach me directly, I would have called him an immoral manipulative bastard at the time. Maybe still, but this time it would be a compliment or joke.
/r/seduction16/08/13 02:19 AM
1

Meh. There are those who do, and those who make up excuses to make themselves feel better.
/r/seduction16/08/13 02:15 AM
7

Right, sort of like rich people complaining about how hard it is to have so much money?
/r/seduction15/08/13 01:50 PM
5

What exactly makes that inherently better? I think that either choice is fine... do what makes you happy, not what societ tells you to do. Girls are bummed out that they can't find the sort of guys they like? I am bummed out that many girls don't even try to be interestin, and yet feel entitled to being pursued by men. Our society tries to resort to usual methods like shaming people into falling in line which are failing. This time, though, individuals are chosing their own path instead of confo…
/r/seduction15/08/13 01:44 PM
1

About the supposed scientific impacts of monogamy, just note that most people benefiting from something does not mean all people will. But I am not in the mood to carefully rip apart the methodology used in those studies right now, so I will bookmark it for another time. But you seem to be freely admitting that jealousy is the primary motivator behind monogamy. Again, from my perspective, if some girl I like sleeps with another guy, that is perfectly fine; I see no reason to be the ONLY person w…
/r/seduction11/08/13 12:37 AM
1

I'm rarely jealous either. Just break up and be with them. Explain to me how these are consistant, because it seems to me the emotion behind desiring monogamy is jealousy. What else is it then? What is the thing that causes you to not want to be in a non-monogamous relationship? It seems to me like if to like someone a lot, you want to be with them regardless of who else they are sleeping with. It also seems like it is perfectly possible to really like more then one person at the same time, so u…
/r/seduction10/08/13 10:55 PM
1

But I think that most people share the same scale referring to love as I do- and that cheating is unacceptable. We all have different ways of showing love, but there are some universal truths I think. Ah, interesting. I actually don't feel love in the same way you do then, though you are likely in the majority, even amongst the guys here. You see, never feel the jealosy part. When I love a girl, I want to do things for her, I want her to love me back, I care deeply for her wellbeing, and am upse…
/r/seduction10/08/13 10:30 PM
1

Love, sadness, joy, and grief can all be measured. But they mean two totally separate things when measured in myself and in other people. In other people, I can only measure a set of actions, tendencies, and actions, and then label certain sets of them. I can even make assumptions that people who act similarly as I would act are probably feeling something similar, but often that is not exactly true: different people feel things different, and express those emotions differently. Thus, if I say lo…
/r/seduction10/08/13 09:38 PM
1

One more note: I think you are completely wrong in this: Evolving as a person however, isn't lying and being fake. Why? Because time and time again, it has proven itself to be entirely misguided. check out this post, right here on /r/seduction, posted today: Link to post Time and time again, it works. I was shy and stared at the floor and had no friends in middle school. I took acting classes, and learned the mannerisms of people who are confident. I started looking people in the eye, holding my…
/r/seduction10/08/13 09:17 PM
2

I think we come from some deeply different perspectives on the nature of reality, because you keep using certain words as if they were good descriptiors, when as far as I can see, they mean wildly different things for different people in different circumstances. I am interested in things that can be measured... if they cannot be measured, or observed directly in reality in some way, then they are imaginary. So when you say "genuine", I ask "how do you measure that". When you say "natural" I ask …
/r/seduction10/08/13 09:06 PM
2

I just explained what I found confusing. Or rather, what I think your definition seems to be.
/r/seduction10/08/13 08:54 PM
2

Yes. You get those references because you spent your spare time playing video games, while some of your peers spent that time at parties. Nerdy pastimes are not a social negative, they are just a social 0. They don't count positively towards your socialization skills (though some of the more social ones might).
/r/seduction10/08/13 08:49 PM
1

In what way is it easier? The first step is "Hello, my name is ______" in either case.
/r/seduction10/08/13 08:47 PM
4

Sorry, but I never argue with people who I simply wish to prove wrong, sinceit is pointless: proving someone wrong does not actually cause people to change their minds. On topic: The word "honest" is just a little fuzzy to me still. The only difference between the scenario you like and the one you didn't is the actions at the end: one guy reveals he was after sex alone the whole time and runs off, the other guy ends up breaking up for some other reason. It seems like you are defining honesty to …
/r/seduction10/08/13 08:42 PM
2

Who you are is flexible. Who I was 5 years ago is different from who I am today, in dramatic ways, and I am better off for it. So what does it mean to be genuine? Maybe some guys tried, really hard to be as genuine as possible, and failed horribly. So they became better at being the sort of genuine that would get them where they want to be. Are they fakes? Hell no. You become the person you want to be. But really, the reason I think you are self centered is this: they guys who walk up to a girl …
/r/seduction10/08/13 08:37 PM
7

Well, if it isn't how the world works, and in reality, the world is an honest, good place, then there is no problem whatsoever, right? But really, I still don't understand what people are supposed to be honest about. What is the lie, and the supposed real truth?
/r/seduction10/08/13 08:21 PM
5

Brilliant, I agree completely. But that does not change the fact that 99.99% of the world's people are ignored. But really what I want to know is "how do you want people to act differently"? How should I treat you differently as a person vs a "piece of meat"? How does the result differ? Do you see the problem yet?
/r/seduction10/08/13 08:19 PM
6

People are people is a pretty empty statement, would you like to clarify? Sure, people are people, and you know how most people treat each other? By ignoring each other entirely. I would say "meat" is a step up from "people", in that case. So how would you define treating someone as a person?
/r/seduction10/08/13 07:54 PM
1

Playing hard to get is a misnomer though; its not a play if they think it is true.
/r/seduction10/08/13 07:50 PM
5

Your world view is, like for many people, very self centered. You are upset by what others are doing, because it makes you feel bad. How do the guys here feel? They feel pretty good. How the guys on foreveralone feel? Not as good. It seems to me, for many people, learning how to be attractive to girls so that girls want to sleep with them is a great benefit to their quality of life. Also, not every girl thinks like you do, or has the same values as you do. Guys, who want to hook up, and girls, w…
/r/seduction10/08/13 07:48 PM
3

People usually dislike making choices. Taking choices for people provides value.
/r/seduction08/08/13 06:58 AM
3

Wise means "good at convincing people that he knows what he is talking about". It does not mean he actually knows what he is talking about.
/r/seduction08/08/13 06:50 AM
6

If you are doing the emotional side of things right, not even the author will notice you are checking all the boxes in a row until it is "too late".
/r/seduction03/08/13 05:15 PM
1

Psychic powers and mind reading have also been "proven to work". Which is to say lots of people write very convincingly about them, but all the video evidence of it in reproducable conditions seems to indicate otherwise. I know all about the apocalype opener, and have seen people trot out "hold the line" countless times. But as far as I am concerned it is a myth until someone provides evidence otherwise, especially since all the existing evidence seems to indicate it fails miserably.
/r/seduction03/08/13 01:16 PM
1

Really? Do exactly what he did, and come back with the results, preferably on film.
/r/seduction03/08/13 04:47 AM
2

No, our society is just a pro-monogamy society. If anything, there is far less of that sort of pressure here then on average. Note, for example, that you actually got up-voted quite a bit. You are just feeling self conscious, so you notice the stuff that is negative more then the positive. That said, I am pro-honesty and pro-keeping-promises. I draw the line at hurting others for your entertainment. Of course, just sleeping with a lot of girls isn't necessarily hurting them, as long as you are s…
/r/seduction03/08/13 04:35 AM
2

If anything, I think this is the best advertising Mark could hope for. Its thin enough to encourage getting the full copy, and I really don't think that there are many people who would have bought it, but now that they read this will chose not to.
/r/seduction03/08/13 04:23 AM
1

I don't see how this is "against the PUA BS". Then again, claiming that all the normal PUA stuff is different and that only you know the real truth is a standard part of PUA stuff, but nothing jumped out at me as totally different from what I have heard elsewhere before.
/r/seduction03/08/13 04:22 AM
0

I have no idea what you mean by "quality", you have to be more specific then that.
/r/seduction31/07/13 09:10 AM
2

Frowned upon by who? Morals don't exist independent from people and cultures. The only person who can properly answer this question is you. Would you be OK with yourself after doing something like this? Would people whose opinion matters to you be OK with you? Would you be OK being with a girl who is OK with it? Answer these questions and you will have your answer. Asking a bunch of random self-proclaimed pickup artists in an online forum seems like a less effective way of making moral judgments…
/r/seduction27/07/13 01:38 PM
2

There is nothing wrong with the path to self confidence going through canned routines. You need a baseline to start from. Look at teens: so much of what they do is simple imitations of cool that look silly once you are more mature. Yet it is exactly through these imitations that you practice and hone your true self.
/r/seduction27/07/13 05:06 AM
1

Notfun related video. EDIT: Skip the first 50 seconds. BTW, this goes against the grain here, and I am not sure I agree with these ideas myself, which is why I find them so interesting and potent. Its good to listen to the alternative. In this case, everyone says "you should be more happy", but the opposite side of this philosophy has some potent points as well.
/r/seduction26/07/13 03:04 AM
5

Alternatively, read some Nietzsche and say fuck you to happiness, and use all those negative emotions to fuel greatness and die on the top of the world, content with being still discontent.
/r/seduction26/07/13 02:56 AM
30

While you can do some things to make it happen more often, it seems like it is more of a "key and lock" sort of thing; you can say hello the exact same way to a hundred girls, and some of them will just get instantly wet, and others won't even give you a second look. Nothing works for every girl, and that guy is not going to have that effect on every girl, just because he had it on that girl.
/r/seduction26/07/13 02:54 AM
1

You are getting to the right attitude. This guy? He has the wrong attitude. Always consider whose advice you are listening to.
/r/seduction25/07/13 08:00 PM
1

If it becomes too much of a thing, then guys might start catching on, and you would be forced to change it, right?
/r/seduction25/07/13 01:13 PM
2

I would point you over to /r/sex. Super helpful people over there, and your question seems right along the lines of what they tend to answer. This might not be the community best qualified to answer your question. I noticed that a lot of the advice about seducing girls given by girls tended to be terrible, and for that reason, I have no reason to think that any advice about seducing guys that I or the (mostly) men here give will be that fantastic. People tend to see themselves as they want to be…
/r/seduction17/07/13 02:22 AM
3

I don't think there is something inherently wrong with being this way, as long as you are open and honest with both yourself and others about it. But you have to realize that your "goal" might as well just be a rationalization for sleeping with as many women as possible. So, consider if it might be better to just drop the pretense with yourself, if that is indeed the case.
/r/seduction17/07/13 02:18 AM
0

What is your evidence that this material is "above" your so called "white knight game"? It has just as little supporting evidence. And the biggest problem with your secret society theory is the idea that the women are secretly in on it. It is just as impossible that 50% of the population conspire against the other 50% no matter which direction it is in. It is unfortunate; a lot of what you are saying is decent, but your deluded packaging makes it garbage.
/r/seduction16/07/13 08:55 PM
0

The reason "patriarchy" strikes me as such bullshit is because such elaborate conspiracy is just far more complex and absurd then the simpler explanations. Unfortunately, the "redpillers" take the exact same approach; attributing hostile intent where there is just confusion, miscommunication, and people having trouble rationalizing their monkey brains. Listen, both sexes are just as lost and confused on this one. No one is hiding anything from anyone, and most people are confused in different wa…
/r/seduction16/07/13 08:49 PM
1

But make sure you do it AFTER. See what goes wrong, plan out what to do next time. But if you analyze too hard while going in, you can get paralyzed by the act of analysis itself.
/r/seduction16/07/13 08:32 PM
6

Indeed. I tend to buy books and movies after I have seen/read them, and know they are good, to support excellent authors who deserve it.
/r/seduction16/07/13 08:30 PM
0

I am assuming you are being ironic?
/r/seduction14/07/13 10:48 PM
6

This advice sounds good, but there is a problem... socializing and dataing require practice, and that shoud start now not "when you are cool enough" or whatever bullshit.
/r/seduction12/07/13 08:15 AM
4

You were surprised and took her too seriously... maybe things would have gone better if you "played along" with her lecture? Or alternatively teased her about forcing her expectations of what you "should do on a date" onto you. In other words, your congruency broke.
/r/seduction12/07/13 08:10 AM
19

Crossed arms are defensive body language. Learn your body language, and find body language that projects confidence.
/r/seduction09/07/13 02:19 PM
1

I totally understand where you are coming from. I just think that different advice works for different people. Sometimes, people get locked up... "where should I touch? I know I am supposed to kino... uh... uh........" goes the internal monologue. The first few times, you can just follow a shitty script, until you break the mental wall.
/r/seduction09/07/13 03:48 AM
7

You guys already know this. No, not everyone already knows this. Many guys (myself included) came in at some point with a very strange, skewed, and dysfunctional view of how this works. Childish ideas like "touching anyone without asking permission is violating their personal space and is bad" permeate the minds of people who simply have never learned otherwise. In such situations, providing a good starting point is very valuable. Of course it isn't a science: it is a skill, and sometimes, you n…
/r/seduction08/07/13 02:58 AM
2

Yeah, way too much overthinking negativity in /r/seduction these days. This tone might be just the cure we were looking for.
/r/seduction08/07/13 02:39 AM
3

Okay so I am a longtime lurker 24 yr old, who I admit, that up to this point has been beta as fuck and tonight was my first ever attempt at approaching. As you can imagine, I was the little nerd outcast in school with few friends and even fewer girlfriends Being good at "social stuff" (conversations, flirting, reading signals, etc) is a skill. Like most skills, it takes practice. You did fine for a first approach... you might have made some mistakes, but it seems to me like the girls really just…
/r/seduction07/07/13 08:06 PM
4

That is why one of the core "rules" is *Assume attraction". If you are going to make any assumptions, make positive ones. Girls can be awkward, say things they don't mean, have facial expressions that don't match their feelings, put up a fake front, etc; very often they do. You just have to work on getting yourself into a mindset when the positive view (for example "their drinks are accounted for but I wasn't told to leave, clearly they think I am cute and interesting and are impressed by my bra…
/r/seduction07/07/13 12:57 AM
10

For your first time, you did more then you had to, and did great. But I don't see your reasoning here: One of the girls said that their friend (the other girl that had left) was going to get them drinks, so I awkwardly walked back to my table. I was shot down. What response, in your mind, would NOT constitute being shut down? All they said was that they didn't need you to buy them drinks. They didn't say they wanted you gone or anything. The fact that they came over afterwards clearly seems to i…
/r/seduction06/07/13 06:03 PM
4

People who have low self esteem are one thing. People who drag it around and burden everyone around with it are another entirely.
/r/seduction05/07/13 02:28 PM
1

Sounds like she responded to your shit test by plowing through?
/r/seduction02/07/13 04:34 PM
11

Hating people because you are jealous? I somehow suspect that isn't working out very well for you...
/r/seduction30/06/13 02:53 AM
1

Are you the same person you have always been? I know I am not, and thank god! Do you like everything about yourself? No? Then change things, and become someone better. Become someone more awesome. Here is a hint: no matter how you act, you are always acting like yourself. You can't do anything you wouldn't do. The lie of the "true self" is absurd when you look at it. Maybe my true self was a person who acted and felt weak and beta. Maybe my true self then became a person who acted alpha but felt…
/r/seduction28/06/13 01:26 AM
1

Well, I won't argue with your particular moral standards, since that is not the point of this post. Instead I will use your clarification to provide you with the best possible information (which is still based on personal opinion, but that is what you are looking for as far as I can tell). Yes, he is probably going to continue to say things that are "disrespectful" to women, both your friend and others. Clearly, being this way seems to work for him at some level, and girls like your friend seem …
/r/seduction28/06/13 12:52 AM
1

Define "douchebag". People who like open relationships and many partners can indeed and often do switch into a stable relationship. But someone who is legitimately psychopathic does not switch on a dime, in my experience. One of my friends was a bit of an asshole when I met him, and it took him a few years and two broken hearts to slowly warm up a bit. But when I see "girl-crazy douchebag", I suspect that you are one of those people that thinks that girl-crazy and douchebag were somehow related.
/r/seduction27/06/13 11:22 PM
3

Its more then that. They have way way more of it, and it is certainly more ubiquitous. Silly posts like OP made come from misunderstanding that, since guys and girls tend to like different things in their partners, there tends to be categorically different types of seduction advice. Guys are taught how to act, behave, impress, etc; girls are taught how to look attractive and keep the guys they like interested.
/r/seduction26/06/13 05:52 AM
4

... and if they are unaware of each other's existence, they you reap what you sow.
/r/seduction24/06/13 10:49 PM
1

Just ask to hang out. Thats code for casual dating.
/r/seduction24/06/13 10:46 PM
1

but i'm also not affected by it. Sure, I believe you. Thats why you wrote this entire post instead of doing it yesterday. Seriously, why is it a "bomb"? Are you planning to ask her "Please have sex with me" or something? Its just an upgrade from sexy acquaintance to casual dating.
/r/seduction24/06/13 10:31 PM
13

Maybe he really said your.
/r/seduction24/06/13 10:02 PM
1

Time to go work out, thanks for the reminder.
/r/seduction23/06/13 09:32 PM
1

I hear they have a very formal dating culture, with things like bringing along best friends and not doing much "casual dating". So whats the legit scoop?
/r/seduction23/06/13 09:30 PM
1

I mean, if you really want to, you can go for the... lets call em "strong negs". But then you have to build a frame that matches it. Out of context, in how you described it, you came off as being passive and polite, while randomly flinging insults. Being polite works (especially if you do it in a dominant way). Showing you are clearly interested can work, especially as part of a passionate, determined personality. Being a bit derisive and not giving a fuck can work too. Combining them just seems…
/r/seduction21/06/13 02:45 AM
1

"I have a serious fetish for musicians" would have been a brilliant follow up line to her saying she is a singer. But you probably blew out in her mind way before then. She's been a total bitch is just nailing it closed hard at that point. However, you score a million kudos for going out and giving it a shot, so I say you are still doing just fine. But always remember that your objective is to provide value. Negs can work, but only because they provide both give and take, and only if they fit ni…
/r/seduction21/06/13 02:02 AM
5

The way you are handling this is amazing. Thank you for doing such a great job maintaining this community.
/r/seduction20/06/13 07:00 PM
-1

I did read the writing. It seemed many of the most upvoted responses were related to the idea of "slapping a dick in your hand out of nowhere" as opposed to the idea of "slapping a dick in your hand when in a sexual situation where consent is already given". Not to say everyone has the same reasoning for finding things offensive.
/r/seduction20/06/13 06:55 PM
1

Surprise! Girls who are honest, selfless, and not just "looking for upgrades" are far far far more likely to be taken. Sort of like how people on the job market are more likely to be incompetent then those working; people on the dating market are more likely to be total wankers then those in healthy relationships. Why the heck do you think preselection exists? But think what you will, and you will get as much of it as you want.
/r/seduction16/06/13 08:15 AM
1

The only problem exists if you are either too passive or if you think you are actually becoming less attractive to the "right kind" of woman. And the latter is dubious in some sense, since it seems to indicate that you would consider the "right kind" of woman to be one that discriminates against physical fitness and maintaining health, which would cause me to question your tastes.
/r/seduction14/06/13 04:04 PM
4

I am sure you can find Rationalization Hamster on google, but it leads to ugly things and cynicism. Go with the other link.
/r/seduction14/06/13 10:39 AM
1

Really? I could have sworn he was just being sarcastic and coming up with a totally generic sounding PUA video.
/r/seduction13/06/13 10:18 AM
5

Note to OP: Don't be like this guy.
/r/seduction13/06/13 06:29 AM
1

St. Teresa got a lot of the D from the light.
/r/seduction12/06/13 06:33 AM
8

Any girl who is worth your time will see you using seduction methods or pick up lines a mile away and shut you down. ... and it goes downhill from here.
/r/seduction12/06/13 05:12 AM
4

Dunno. The other half to the be yourself advice is to be someone awesome. In other words, if you are not who you want to be, you should become who you want to be, but not for the girl. The girl just comes with the rest of the package.
/r/seduction12/06/13 03:05 AM
4

Sorry, but listen to yourself... are you taking things a little too seriously? A little bit of fun banter, dark humor, and whatnot seem totally acceptable to me. Maybe you could lighten up a little?
/r/seduction12/06/13 12:58 AM
29

Because people still find outrage hilarious.
/r/seduction11/06/13 11:58 PM
5

He made it pretty damn clear that the relationship was open. Reading comprehension?
/r/seduction10/06/13 03:28 PM
4

At what point does he lie?
/r/seduction10/06/13 03:05 PM
1

I am generally pretty agreeable, but getting drunk makes me hate everyone and turns me into an introvert. I hate it. Also, thinking that everyone has the same motivations and desires is just plain retarded. "All dudes want to settle down with a nice girl eventually. You just gotta find the right girl for you!" Nope and nope. Stop projecting your preferences as if they were universal.
/r/seduction04/06/13 04:33 PM
2

I don't understand. What do you think the purpose of makeup and dresses is? Have you read any of the magazines targeted at women? Oh sure, its all "for yourself", but that is just the pretty lie used to cover it up. The simple fact is, women do go quite out of their way to change themselves for men. Its just more focused on the physical.
/r/seduction03/06/13 11:32 PM
2

I could see this doing well as a non-alcoholic drinks and healthy snacks sort of place. Coffee shops tend to be a bit antisocial, and bars a bit... drunk and stupid.
/r/seduction03/06/13 11:29 PM
12

I am pretty sure he made it clear that he was seeking sex with hot women, not emotional connections, and there is nothing wrong with that. Different people, different preferences, different methods.
/r/seduction03/06/13 09:19 PM
7

His descriptions are amazingly accurate.
/r/seduction03/06/13 07:43 AM
0

Sorry, but why do you expect anything if you don't put forth effort? Are you new to life?
/r/seduction01/06/13 09:50 PM
2

I had trouble seeing the point of this article... it seemed like a collection of stereotypes that did not match anything I have seen in real life? All this talk about "people having depth", yet failing to engage with the depth of the potential audience.
/r/seduction31/05/13 06:30 PM
2

Meh, I would say that was the silliest bit of the article. From a practical standpoint, though, that image is full of exactly the sort of over-generalizations people are prone to make, and thus avoiding invoking said generalizations can be helpful.
/r/seduction31/05/13 06:27 PM
7

Danger "works" to get girls excited because "terrified" excited and "turned on" excited are hard to tell apart. It also gets you killed. Not worth.
/r/seduction30/05/13 06:26 AM
1

You play more then one game, and you can never be perfect. When you win, you still need to see what you could have done better. And if you are despairing at losing, then you are OBVIOUSLY going to be left behind.
/r/seduction28/05/13 08:28 AM
30

You are going about in the wrong way. Your goal should not be the girl, it should be becoming the person who has the girl. The difference is critical; you are not asking her out to be judged, you are asking her out to figure out how you can get better. Think of it this way: when I am playing video games, sure, it feels nice to win. But I improve the most when I lose. The best players are the ones who challenge themselves the most, and reflect carefully on their losses. That said, most of the tim…
/r/seduction27/05/13 08:16 PM
4

I am not sure the boy/man part of it is needed; phrased as "Instead of X do Y" it should be just as good.
/r/seduction25/05/13 07:45 PM
2

Personality, and socialization, are trained skills. Everyone who seems sociable and outgoing is that way because they have been doing it for a while. It is like learning any other skill... just try things out and experiment. Don't know what to talk about? Talk about ANYTHING, be horribly awkward about it, fail. Then reflect carefully about it, plan how you will fix that particular failure next time, and try again.
/r/seduction24/05/13 03:15 PM
1

Naw, the admins just mass messaged ex members and were banned for spamming I think. Anyways, it was a ver nice little subcommunity.
/r/seduction24/05/13 02:25 PM
2

Ok, let me try to explain to you how this looks. Imagine you go to /r/fitness and say something like this: The other day, I saw someone out jogging. He looked like one of you, since he was snacking on oats and had a sleevless shirt with muscles showing. He bumped into me and my friends and was a total ass, and asked us if we even lift, and called my friend who just got out of chemo a "pussy" for not working out, and another one a fatty mc fatpants. We should use this as a chance to discuss your …
/r/seduction21/05/13 01:32 PM
1

Seduction tips are built by analysis of what works, and cover a very wide spectrum. Many people who have never heard of PUA do some of the things done by PUAs. The real point is, though, what do you hope to accomplish? We are all perfectly aware of what we are doing and have thought about it. We are not stupid or oblivious.
/r/seduction21/05/13 05:47 AM
3

I like this... add in a fake voice change/accent?
/r/seduction20/05/13 04:06 AM
8

It sounds too much like acknowledgeing a rejection. Maybe I would just join her in dissing on luke for a short round, and then transition into a introduction with a grin?
/r/seduction20/05/13 04:04 AM
32

Twist: She had her purse the whole time, and was just seducing you, and once you were in an empty room togeather, she "found it".
/r/seduction20/05/13 02:47 AM
3

Get a fancy ass cane and tophat and no one will expect you to dance.
/r/seduction11/05/13 07:46 PM
3

I like this, the dapper method.
/r/seduction11/05/13 07:26 PM
1

In my state at least, it requires both people to be aware. When people record phone calls, for instance, they have to start by informing you.
/r/seduction11/05/13 05:43 PM
1

Its true that if it is in a reasonably public place, it is fine (though it usually requires consent to publish it).
/r/seduction11/05/13 05:42 PM
8

Eh, go to /r/cringe if you want your kicks, I prefer to not be amused at the expense of others risking jail time.
/r/seduction11/05/13 02:39 AM
17

If he deleted it, the law would be "unbroken", or rather, he would be free from any risk of prosecution. If he posts it here, he is at much higher risk, since the internet tend to be forever.
/r/seduction11/05/13 02:33 AM
13

In many states in the USA, and many countries, it is highly illegal to record a conversation with someone without their awareness and/or consent. Wiretapping laws apply to everyone.
/r/seduction11/05/13 02:08 AM
3

My math teacher broke his spine riding a motorcycle, and just a few days ago, the head of IT at my university passed away in an accident. The statistics are scary. I'll stick to bikes, which are probably the worst thing ever for the logistics of seduction, but I like em anyways.
/r/seduction08/05/13 08:14 PM
6

In some cases, looking like a dick is better then being a dick; leading someone on can be dickish.
/r/seduction07/05/13 06:12 PM
6

You hold responsibility for the way you make people feel. I am not sure I can fully agree. Why? Because I don't hold other people responsible for how they make me feel. I don't get pissed at girls who reject me, for example. There are other problems that arise from this philosophy, like not wanting to break up a relationship that isn't working because you don't want to hurt their feelings or whatever. The overall message is good, but at some level, you can never appease everyone. It is enough to…
/r/seduction07/05/13 06:05 PM
1

Somehow, I find your post much more moronic then the one it was responding to. AT least his attempts to to respond with some kind of opinion or statement to what came before, instead of just making a disconnected attempt at an insult.
/r/seduction07/05/13 04:02 PM
7

Culturally dependent. I took OPs post for what it is, a culture specific hookup guide. I would actually be rather interested in other "localized" guides.
/r/seduction06/05/13 06:14 PM
4

It went well, I enjoyed it, and I dated one for a while and it was fine?
/r/seduction02/05/13 09:02 PM
2

Then get better at game and don't go a week without using it. ;)
/r/seduction02/05/13 07:56 PM
1

Dunno, the damage to a condom is only a problem if you don't use it... just make sure you swap it out at least once a week if you don't
/r/seduction02/05/13 03:28 PM
1

If you made this "choice" what would you do different? Real inner game is where the answer is nothing; where you do things that would make you successful with women, but you do them for yourself.
/r/seduction30/04/13 07:33 PM
2

Dunno, it works purely from a good storytelling perspective. Meaning, it sets it up at the very beginning, and then ends with it. It makes for satisfying stories, as long as you don't think too hard about the message...
/r/seduction23/04/13 10:37 PM
3

I understand the theory, but somehow it is harder in practice, plus I am always... distracted.
/r/seduction22/04/13 09:41 PM
16

It only gets worse, you made the right choice.
/r/seduction22/04/13 09:39 PM
1

Wait, are you saying people are confident because they have something to be confident about? Confidence is orthogonal. The only reason it seems otherwise is because confidence causes benefits, not the other way around. And yes, it is a skill you can learn.
/r/seduction18/04/13 12:32 AM
2

Your action speak more then your appearance in many cases. He is saying to act like a confident motherfucker, not an embarrased 13 year old.
/r/seduction17/04/13 08:35 PM
3

Also, 17 is like the easiest time to gain ever, no better time to start.
/r/seduction17/04/13 08:33 PM
4

Why are you giving them your time for free? You are being an "easy" guy, you give out the reward without any expectations or standards. That does not mean you have to completely blunt (though even that can work sometimes), but at least throw in a cost or a limitation, like "lets go here while we talk" or "sorry to interrupt, but I don't have that long" or just poke fun at them for things you think are silly, or just ignore them (and be unappolagetic about it).
/r/seduction17/04/13 08:30 PM
3

Here is what you were missing.
/r/seduction17/04/13 05:38 PM
0

Youtube has a content warning on it?
/r/seduction10/04/13 08:09 PM
-5

Relevant
/r/seduction10/04/13 05:02 PM
3

.... Damn is very poor communication. Could you be more specific?
/r/seduction05/04/13 08:21 PM
7

Lets take my preferences for behaviors, generally traditional ones, and turn them into moral imperative! Lets define self worth as being "falling in line with my personal taste"! Brlliant! You know what I think is a dick? Telling people how worthless they are for liking sexual innuendo. I think a woman who takes offense at such things is far too stuck up. Define class. Now explain to me, in clear logical terms, why it is better then the alternative. Your little "while retaining class and acting …
/r/seduction05/04/13 06:31 PM
1

The beauty of preselection is that no one can tell if you are an alpha male or not. They just wait for you to tell them with how you act, look, and think, and react accordingly. This is called frame, and this is why shit tests are so ubiquitous.
/r/seduction04/04/13 07:13 PM
10

That line only works if someone is being an oblivious, often sexist, asshole. When you pull it on someone writing a reasonable, on topic, and well worded post, it makes no sense and makes you seem like a twat. Just FYI.
/r/seduction01/04/13 07:55 AM
8

Having pretend facebook account for this sort of thing is not that hard.
/r/seduction01/04/13 07:38 AM
1

Yes, but there it is at least because the market share is so low.
/r/seduction01/04/13 07:36 AM
3

A lot of people lack a lot of common sense.
/r/seduction25/03/13 12:19 AM
9

That is what therapists deal with most of the time, as far as I know. And admitting you are lost and afraid and angry and embarrased and whatever else is a primary purpose of therapy. And, heck you did it here, which is a far more public place then admitting it in confidence to a person whose job description is empathy and understanding.
/r/seduction25/03/13 12:18 AM
6

This is an interesting thread. I am too used to hearing this in reverse, with creeper dudes.
/r/seduction23/03/13 06:32 PM
5

I assume diminishing returns. At a certain point, it might be more difficult to upgrade results via improving personality, to the point where giving a shit about the small gains in appearance might matter. A lot of the information is just helpful lies. Meaning "we say it does not matter, but it just does not matter yet, and worrying about it is just going to fuck you up".
/r/seduction22/03/13 01:25 PM
4

Looks do matter in the same way any small percentage game matters. They don't matter in the same way. Lets forget the hyperbole, and look at some "HARD DATA". (This is data gathered by OKCupid, so results are skewed blah blah blah.) Note a few things. First, being tall really does give you an edge. Second, that edge is very small. Third, looks and similar factors like income matter much more in terms of being selected by women... but if you are actually going out and working for it, it matters a…
/r/seduction22/03/13 01:18 PM
-25

Hmm, something about this sort of conversation makes me impatient. It is a mathematical physics problem. The method to solve it is looking up certain properties about pennies (or testing them in a lab) and then doing some algebra with it. Discussing it does nothing. I prefer to stick to conversations about people and opinions if I can.
/r/seduction22/03/13 12:50 PM
3

Select advice: Body insecurities: Sleep naked. Visualize being naked in front of girls and them being impressed. Being useless in bed: Eh, if you give a shit, you will learn fast enough. If you study the theory, you will have enough to at least make sure the girl has a pretty fun time, but really, your genes will do the talking. You have a million generations of successful sex in those genes, waiting to be expressed right into h... ahem, excuse me. STDs: Well, they are not too bad. You might get…
/r/seduction22/03/13 10:47 AM
16

I think he didn't get the memo that it was a attractiveness scale, and not just a numbering system. To be fair, there is a lot of slang that is not actually much more efficient then normal English.
/r/seduction22/03/13 09:21 AM
2

Dunno, if his instinctual response is decent, then it is easier to pull of from a consistent frame.
/r/seduction21/03/13 06:27 PM
2

If you watch someone to anything new for the first few times, they are usually pretty careful. Then after doing it many many times, they are confident. The process is simple, do it then rinse and repeat.
/r/seduction18/03/13 07:37 PM
2

The answer is that it does not matter. He should act on his feelings and not waste his time trying to work out what she thinks when he can just ask.
/r/seduction17/03/13 01:33 PM
1

All the cool looking dances and dancers look short, which is not particularly confidence inducing for a 6'5" guy. Oh well, I guess the upside is that I am 6'5", but the downside is even after practicing hard, people tell me I look silly and lanky.
/r/seduction15/03/13 05:20 PM
15

So everyone else who wants to solicit lesbian friends on the internet is a neckbeard but not you?
/r/seduction15/03/13 03:39 AM
2

I don't know if there is anything inherently wrong with the other approach. It might not be for me or you, but for many, the personality vs attractiveness equasion leans towards favoriting attractiveness in terms of the choices they make. You just have to not forget that such a balance exists at whatever level you feel comfortable with.
/r/seduction11/03/13 01:10 AM
3

Note: I think you are wrong, and are actively hurting yourself AND the person who you get into a meaningful relationship. I think you are in the wrong subreddit, but not because this subreddit won't teach you what you want to know. But the method is very practical and realistic, and is thus likely to clash with your ideals. That is not to say you cannot find a good relationship with these methods... I am in a LTR for almost a year now, and we are doing awesome. But I advise you rethink what you …
/r/seduction25/02/13 04:49 AM
2

Approach should be enjoyable. If you can make it fun, if you can make it interesting, do that. If you can't, then do something else.
/r/seduction24/02/13 12:08 AM
3

Everyone dies alone.
/r/seduction24/02/13 12:06 AM
0

Forget what is popular and ask yourself what resonates with you. If the point is to bypass subjective bias in the mind, you won't get there by thinking harder about it, that is absurd. You get there by testing things out, and seeing which model is the best experimentally, by observation and scepticism. Money does not buy happyness. Relationships do. On average. That is what the statistics say. And the part about fucking being the pinacle of your life? Not even supported by statistics, just strai…
/r/seduction22/02/13 01:22 AM
1

This advice might be bad in the particular case of a quiet girl, ie, one who is more likely to just silently avoid conflict then get competative.
/r/seduction21/02/13 08:18 AM
1

I'll say "pot calling the kettle hot" then. ;)
/r/seduction05/02/13 05:45 PM
1

Ugh, that analogy took me way too long to figure out. But I disagree with the implication that sex, dating, and relationships are a zero-sum competition between the sexes in some way.
/r/seduction05/02/13 04:58 PM
2

Guys tend to be dimissive... " just flirt and ask for sex lol". Sure the problem for women is overcoming inner inhibitions and social expectations but the same can be said for most AFCs who come in, right?
/r/seduction05/02/13 03:51 PM
6

Yeah, the real point he was making has nothing to do with skill, just not giving up right away.
/r/seduction25/01/13 07:51 AM
3

The key is that it has to be unexpected. Buying drinks for girls is expected and not worth much.
/r/seduction18/01/13 08:55 AM
3

Make sure you don't pick legitimately good movies. Mediocre is awesome cause otherwise you both might get distracted from the real task at hand.
/r/seduction17/01/13 07:45 PM
15

Dunno why people get pissed at the book so much. You are not reading it for it to be high quality, just like you don't watch porn for the engrossing story and artistic directing. No, you do it to (1) get off or (2) see what get a LOT of people off. If you are on this subreddit, you are probably not going to be in the first category for 50 shades, but you are almost certainly interested in the second. If you are honestly just analyzing, shitty writing and obnoxious characters are just interesting…
/r/seduction15/01/13 05:06 PM
3

What is the worst that could happen is a TERRIBLE phrase, because we start thinking, instantly, about the worst that could happen. "How can I make this the best" is a better train of thought.
/r/seduction14/01/13 11:50 PM
7

No risks lead to no outcomes.
/r/seduction14/01/13 09:26 PM
3

Who is this mysterious roommate who has voluenteered to hit the groins of thousands of random men from the internet?
/r/seduction14/01/13 09:17 PM
15

I don't know about this, but I have heard some interesting perspectives, and while I don't take these as true, I think they have some ideas to share. Female's start to go downhill a lot faster then males in terms of appearance and dateability. In fact, it is possible that male value rises as they graduate, get a job, etc, while girls might not fare so well. Dates involving movies and dinners generally involved a lot of planning and money on the behalf of the guy. If girls want to go wild early, …
/r/seduction13/01/13 09:05 AM
1

Why do you need it to be fixed? What about it makes it broken to you? If I were to venture a guess, the reason you want to fix it is that being "normal" in your relationships is another validation? For me at least, it was hard to get away from the layers of social norms surrounding certain things and figure out who I wanted to be.
/r/seduction13/01/13 08:44 AM
2

Beetles song references. Help, I need sombody, help, not just anybody. Rightfully deleted as utterly off topic, but now this topic is cold and mods are asleep.
/r/seduction04/01/13 06:39 PM
2

I am pretty sure you would know if you were a sociopath. Your friends perception, however, is not to be ignored, but it is less that of a psychologist, and more "some dude". It does not make you a sociopath, but potentially percieved as one by guys like him.
/r/seduction04/01/13 06:37 AM
1

Some people still enjoy that sot of humor? Judging people for being "too childish" seems rather middle school to me ;)
/r/seduction03/01/13 06:40 PM
8

The trick is to get drunk as well. Then, you are really just taking advantage of each other, right? I used to think as you do until the first time I heard a girl say "I need to get wasted so I don't feel bad about banging some random guy at the party." I still avoid drunk girls, but mostly cause the law is sexist and drunk people are generally less interesting to talk to.
/r/seduction31/12/12 12:12 AM
2

No one has a right to interfere with the personal life of someone just because they have a crush. He did right to protect his friend. The message may have been delivered a bit hard, but sometimes the best way to knock someone out of it is to tell it to them straight.
/r/seduction23/12/12 01:34 AM
1

Its interesting to try at the very least. Being a douchebag is obviously not the correct solution, but if you are stuck in a bad place, change can at least free up your perspective. The hope is that you find a nice third option eventually, but for some people doucebag gets you moving in the right direction/
/r/seduction23/12/12 01:31 AM
1

You know, at first I didn't belive this shit. I had to go into minor depression and ADHD spirals and basically become "less then 50%" on accident, and suddenly, wham, girls who blew me off when I was nice were interested... the funny thing is, as far as I can tell, most people, girls or guys, have no consious awareness of this at all, as far as I can tell.
/r/seduction19/12/12 08:22 PM
1

That should be your first instinct. Like, when you get the text that starts this story, you should already be chuckling.
/r/seduction19/12/12 08:13 PM
1

Apparently, karma trains are not appreciated around here :P
/r/seduction18/12/12 12:54 PM
1

Day9 dating advice: not bad, but not more then medium.
/r/seduction15/12/12 07:24 PM
5

... You must let her see the fire in your eyes... words come later...
/r/seduction15/12/12 07:23 PM
6

Dunno, I personally follow this ideology, but I am not certain it is the "one true way". Some people can pull off giving a shit, or giving a certain kind of a shit very effectively (to horribly overstretch a phrase).
/r/seduction15/12/12 07:14 PM
32

Trolling is trying to get a rise out of people. This, on the other hand, is what we call satire.
/r/seduction15/12/12 07:11 PM
3

What do you do when a girl gets annoyed that you are avoiding questions?
/r/seduction07/12/12 02:40 PM
2

Indeed. The empty headed comment jumped out at me. Being quick to judge and discount people loses you many oppertunities in life.
/r/seduction06/12/12 06:38 PM
6

Getting good at seduction?
/r/seduction09/11/12 03:43 PM
4

I'll just leave this here. Tangentially related.
/r/seduction09/11/12 03:42 PM
1

Hmm, that disclaimer got me thinking. I feel like it is true for basically every post, and I assume it is true every time I read advice here. Does it need to be verbalized? Are there people who don't understand this? I guess it is very possible.
/r/seduction09/11/12 03:05 PM
2

It is a common female sexual strategy. It is also a common male strategy, especially within certain cultures. There is nothing wrong with either seeking long-term or short-term relationships only, what is stupid is whenever one side gets off by trying to call the other side evil, weak, immoral, and similar shaming tactics.
/r/seduction08/11/12 07:05 AM
6

Loads of judgemental, outdated shit like "The difference between that approach and PUA is that you are truly looking for a life-partner and wife and not just a one night stand.". Careful dudes, if you are not looking to get a wife every time you go to a bar, you are immoral and should feel bad!
/r/seduction07/11/12 05:52 PM
2

Personally, sometimes I feel more social and want to go out and talk to people, hang out with friends, and go to where there are lots of people; sometimes I feel less social, and don't feel like hanging out and playing games. Sometimes, words and actions flow out of my mouth smoothly, and people around me are engaged and excited by my presence; sometimes, everything is awkward, and people avoid or ignore me, even my friends. The delusion of "true self" is a strange one. Sure, your internal monol…
/r/seduction30/10/12 07:19 PM
5

If you really think that is true, that information and sharing what is learned is useless, then what are you doing on /r/seduction?
/r/seduction30/10/12 06:23 PM
5

Do you act and think the exact same way in every situation and all the time?
/r/seduction30/10/12 06:22 PM
2

Why are there so many posts hating on game? The idea of game is simply to be a description of actions that people who are good with women use, so that people who are not can use them. Yes, actually having inner game is better, but that does not mean that outer game cannot help get you there.
/r/seduction30/10/12 05:39 PM
3

I really don't think it is the smartphone so much as some degree of cultural shift, that has been happening ever since birth control and feminism.
/r/seduction30/10/12 05:37 PM
4

Words are there to help communicate actions to beginners. You cannot tell someone who has no idea what it means to be a "real man" to just be a real man. Some people LACK social acumen and awareness entirely, because they never focused on it or learned it. Here, that information can be condensed and given out in clear ways using a shared terminology.
/r/seduction30/10/12 05:35 PM
7

There is no need to diss on one or the other, the two are not actually mutually exclusive; rather, they describe a two part path to success. Just because one part does not work for you and your particular goals does not mean it does not work for someone else or for a different set of goals. The fact is that you become who you pretend to be. And no, I don't mean "you get used to pretending to be who you pretend to be", I mean, there is no such distinction. When I wanted to learn to be more self c…
/r/seduction30/10/12 05:32 PM
1

There are also certain girls who do not, but the more socially active someone is, by their nature, the more likely you are to see them, so they become overrepresented in our minds.
/r/seduction30/10/12 05:21 PM
8

Do not speak to the police.
/r/MensRights29/10/12 11:46 AM
3

Dunno, the libertarian vs communalist difference between the parties is pretty established, and it seems reasonable to me (as a long time democrat) to see where the difference is coming from. The modern stuff about birth control IS really just a cheap tactic to rile up support from a particular demographic, but it isn't like the charges are exactly false, just overgeneralized, as is so often the case.
/r/MensRights29/10/12 07:57 AM
0

Please explain yourself, because your comment seemed the least tolerant and understanding one here.
/r/MensRights29/10/12 07:53 AM
28

Subcultures meld. People learn from context when they read. Also, programmers are sexy seductive beasts.
/r/seduction29/10/12 07:27 AM
1

You still haven't posted any of the "truths" that you claim. There is no such a thing as a self evident claim; if you don't have evidence, then you are just making stuff up. Please, prove to me that your truth true, the normal way, without emotional arguments and calling out of my apparently insufficient masculinity; instead, try providing data.
/r/MensRights29/10/12 07:12 AM
1

Was the comment here removed by a mod, or the writer? Sometimes, the ignorance can be important to keep around, as an educational example?
/r/MensRights29/10/12 07:09 AM
0

He said absolutely nothing about buying into feminism... it is likely, that like most of us here, he thinks that some of the feminists are quite full of shit quite often. He is merely commenting on the irony of using a single example as evidence to prove how superior all men are to all women at intelectual debate. Given sufficient evidence, it might be possible (through some effort) to prove something along the lines of "women are on average worse at citing scientific evidence then men in debate…
/r/MensRights29/10/12 05:40 AM
2

If you don't leave someone with a face saving way out, they will often follow their ego and rationalize to keep fighting. This is why the idea of "argumentation" rarely wins over an opponent. (It can win over a third party observer, and can still be valuable when done against an informed opponent to build a case for others to pulbicly see). To convince someone in a more private setting, a better choice is something along the lines of the socratic method, where you gently question them from a pos…
/r/MensRights29/10/12 05:16 AM
0

That sounds like the same wishful thinking that feminists use. "You should just support feminism because we support your problems too." Nonetheless, focusing on providing a clear set of issues for politicians to pander to is a better plan then railing against feminists.
/r/MensRights29/10/12 05:02 AM
27

actions as that of a socially awkward 18 year old You just repeated what he said.
/r/MensRights26/10/12 04:47 PM
4

There is evidence for a genetic predisposition by women and even men to favor the welfare of men over women. There is no reason to think that relying on the same tactics of victim-hood and pity will work.
/r/MensRights26/10/12 12:26 AM
10

I don't want your sympathies, I am upset that the term exists at all to be used against anyone. I am upset that instead of rational debate, people are dismissed in what amounts to, at best, a failed ad hominem attack. I am sorry you misunderstood my intention.
/r/MensRights26/10/12 12:22 AM
6

It is contextual... if you say that some act should be committed against a group due to the trait of that group, then you ARE being sexist/racist/whatever. Because you are implying that either all members of the group have the trait, or that people who are innocent of the trait should be punished just by association.
/r/MensRights26/10/12 12:14 AM
2

Sure, but that is not the question. The question is the rejection of patriarchy and Schrodinger's rapist. Preferably on a website or similar space, listing policy.
/r/MensRights26/10/12 12:08 AM
2

No. It is merely a first step. It might become more frequent until it reaches SRS levels, or it might die off, as people move to subreddits more willing to accept their views.
/r/MensRights26/10/12 12:03 AM
1

Well, depending on your standards, you could say something like "me and my buddies". Large was left intentionally ambiguous to allow a bit of stretching, but not to that point.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 11:45 PM
4

You should include a link. I would like to see.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 09:23 PM
0

Concern trolling is indistinguishable from being a moderate. This is the term that extremist echo chambers use to silence anyone who is not in complete agreement about each and every detail.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 08:17 PM
3

Even if you are right, trying to use shaming to convince people to change their upvoting habits is not the right method. "Manning up" is a phrase that we really could do without. If you want a forum with strict moderation, go ahead. If you want people to value different content, you are really not doing yourself any favors using the exact sort of argument that the people you are trying to convince find so distasteful.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 08:13 PM
2

This is a very convincing argument for this side of the issue, thank you! I think what he is pleading for, right or wrong, is a willing redirection of the conversation. There is a difference between a request to deemphasize certain topics like jokes, and trying to silence people. A criticism of feminism might say they are wrong because their premise is wrong, but I could also say that feminism, whether right or wrong, uses wrong methods. Fixing injustice with injustice, silencing "offensive" spe…
/r/MensRights25/10/12 08:08 PM
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I am not sure you are even responding to OP. What OP is complaining about is the combination of victimhood and broad generalization that led feminists down the dark path to SRS is also apparent here, and he wants a discussion and awareness about it to make sure it does not happen here as well.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 05:47 PM
4

Just because a space is male dominated does not mean that it favors male interests. In-group favoritism is weak to non-existant in male favoring male situations. If you bring up mens rights issues elsewhere, you might not get a favorable response, as many male feminists, people who buy into the "men can't be victims" type mythos, and so on, exist even in highly male environments.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 05:39 PM
3

I think killyourego's point is less about how things should be, and more about dealing with things the way they are. We don't want to get too much into the mindset of victimhood, I think...
/r/MensRights25/10/12 05:34 PM
18

I have been personally called a "concern troll" more then once, for complaining that people in a thread were generalizing and saying that ALL women had certain negative traits.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 05:29 PM
1

Yes, because rational debate occurs, that means that large amounts of irrational, bitter hatred cannot exist.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 05:26 PM
3

I think it is at most relevant when someone gets offended about a joke about a woman. Getting offended by jokes at all is a pretty silly passtime.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 05:21 PM
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You are right, we are not as bad as SRS. But that does not mean all of OPs concerns are invalid.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 05:19 PM
1

Please find me a large feminist group that rejects such claims.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 08:02 AM
13

Cause there is such a thing as a absolute universal system of numbering attractiveness of girls.
/r/seduction25/10/12 07:22 AM
1

See my response here.
/r/seduction25/10/12 07:21 AM
17

If I say "I have a girlfriend", a remark my wonderfully eloquent friends might respond with could be something like "Your left hand" or "how big is his dick", or something equally humerus. If you tone down the crassness, and target it towards a girl, you get the above comment.
/r/seduction25/10/12 07:20 AM
2

My friends and I just ban together into a gang and nobody fucks with us. Well, my friends band together too, and start conquering land. Hey look, we just ended up back in a feudal society of warring nations, which we JUST got done getting out of. The difference between you and me is that I believe I have control over my life and most of what happens to me is my decision. You believe life just happens to you and you have no control over it and you hope that the government will make sure you are o…
/r/MensRights25/10/12 06:56 AM
1

There is a human sense of Justice, but it tends to contradict too often with "best outcomes". Saying that something "should be that way, they deserve it" is fine, but if it would cause untold numbers of people to suffer, then the Justice is hardly worth the cost. The real flaws in libertarian thinking, as far as I see it, are (1) failing to justify the existence of physical property outside the context of the state, (2) failing to provide evidence that their claims are anything more then philoso…
/r/MensRights25/10/12 06:53 AM
1

It is contracted out to a greater degree.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 06:41 AM
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I don't have the choice to not be allowed on land you claim as your property, nor to use things you claim to be your property. Those are kept from me by force, and have no meaning outside the context of the state.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 06:39 AM
5

Check out the other reply to my comment. This nails it perfectly. Basically, by acting as if you have high value and social status, that is what people think of you, which in turn gives you high value and social status. Actors have to be able to play people of ANY kind of status convincingly enough for an audience to buy it. So, part of acting is learning all the little ticks and signals and such which most people only use subconsciously. Sitting with your legs spread in a comfortable position, …
/r/seduction25/10/12 12:11 AM
2

I went a little longer, but I did not think it looked as good so I went back. We have a word for people who care about their appearance for their own sake, narcissism. I care about my appearance to make it more pleasant for those around me.
/r/MensRights24/10/12 05:42 PM
1

I really don't see the problem of having one night of removing social standards? Please explain why this is a "Red light"...
/r/seduction24/10/12 04:50 PM
13

An extension on this idea; learning a bit of acting is helpful in terms of understanding body language. How you hold yourself and how you move can create a very different effect for people.
/r/seduction24/10/12 04:45 PM
1

Wait, there are girls that don't to the slutty Halloween costume? I thought that was just accepted practice.
/r/seduction24/10/12 03:25 PM
2

Gem was released before I was born, but that did not prevent me from watching a large portion of it. In one sitting. The thing you forget is how much free time redditors have.
/r/MensRights24/10/12 01:22 PM
5

.... and that is what keeps it running. I have heard a lot of girls use the same excuse... none who read it for any other reason, actually. YMMV
/r/MensRights24/10/12 05:43 AM
11

I believe you mean snoop lion.
/r/seduction24/10/12 01:14 AM
0

If there really is a problem, then the correct answer is to try and help the problem.
/r/MensRights21/10/12 12:07 AM
-2

And everyone knows that the best way to solve problems that are likely social is to SEND DEM OTHER COLORED PEOPLE BACK!
/r/MensRights21/10/12 12:06 AM
6

I agree. Something about twitter makes the format horrible and ugly for real discourse.
/r/MensRights19/10/12 07:58 PM
7

Bring rational discourse of the issues into neutral spaces. A lot of people have been doing this successufly already... from /r/politics to /r/truereddit
/r/MensRights19/10/12 07:04 PM
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I keep saying it and I will keep saying it: treating an individual differently because of actions taken by others in his or her group is wrong. This applies to racism, sexism, war reparations, anti or pro religious sentiment, nationalism, and so on. Sure maybe on average, men might have certain traits more often, or jews, or homosexuals, or americans, or whatever. That does not mean that each individual should be treated as if they have those traits.
/r/MensRights19/10/12 06:47 PM
2

Only to a degree. Women don't instinctually know how to use makeup, but many do pursue these sorts of skills instinctually and get rewarded for them. Men might not know how to display high value or similar skills, but the will instinctually pursue them. Many just get pushed off in the wrong direction.
/r/MensRights19/10/12 05:29 PM
2

Yep, every PUA has the same goals and desires.
/r/MensRights19/10/12 04:09 PM
2

Perhaps every man is a PUA, but our societ suppresses their masculine naute?
/r/MensRights19/10/12 04:08 PM
12

get to be temporary shopping friends with fake looking women Ftfy
/r/MensRights19/10/12 04:03 PM
1

I see no reason why a private individual should be prohibited from determining who can and cannot travel on his or her property. If a private institution only allows men or women, that is their choice to make, and no one has the right to force themselves into that space.
/r/MensRights18/10/12 09:15 PM
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Bonus: it is a subtle neg. It forces her to qualify her actions in conversation to you.
/r/seduction18/10/12 07:16 PM
2

I prefer to be on the side of protecting the ability to have male-only or female-only spaces. Of course, in a public school, this is very different.
/r/MensRights18/10/12 07:10 PM
1

While I agree there is something unfortunate about the way the state works, I see no viable alternative, and thus, betterment of society has to function as a betterment of state, rather then a destruction thereof. My goal instead becomes to create a state that functions as optimally as possible to maintain a situation as close to freedom as possible. The exact definitions of what that means, of course, are disputable, and thus it is never perfect for any one individual. As to "invading" other so…
/r/seduction18/10/12 06:45 PM
2

http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/general/SexPartnersByHeight.png There are 2 vitally important things to note... height DOES make a difference, and that difference is VERY VERY SMALL. Many women prefer people of any hight you might possibly be, an many women dislike any height you can imagine.
/r/seduction18/10/12 06:00 PM
3

Who are you to say what women or men should or shouldn't do?
/r/seduction18/10/12 05:58 PM
1

Sorry, my bad. Perhaps I misunderstood what proposal you were representing, and replaced it with an inaccurate straw-man. What exactly is it that you would like to see happen in terms of the political state of the world?
/r/seduction18/10/12 05:15 PM
1

I don't believe in guilt by association. There are feminists who believe this sort of nonsense, but that does not mean everyone who is a feminist does. We can point out the illogic, but you cannot claim to extrapolate onto every individual the flaws of others in their group. Just because some MRA went and murdered women does not make us all hateful misogynists.
/r/MensRights18/10/12 05:06 PM
1

Yes, and people could not make agreements, and undermine any of the agreements people did make. The "Captialism" aspect of the idea is what does not make sense; how do you propose capitalism exist?
/r/seduction18/10/12 07:59 AM
1

I meant state as in "way of being".
/r/seduction18/10/12 07:58 AM
2

But at the same time, I feel the same pity for her as I would for any man if the same situation. Her being "originally a woman" has no effect on her humanity, and the evil perpetrated.
/r/MensRights18/10/12 04:49 AM
2

Fair does not have to mean correct. I would prefer a world where people can take responsibility for their lives to one of manic victimhood. Not that people are NOT victims, but there is a balance to be struck. People are wrong for committing the crime, and you should do your best to avoid getting in a bad situation.
/r/MensRights18/10/12 04:48 AM
10

Its all organized by the Illuminati.
/r/MensRights18/10/12 04:44 AM
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I think his "strategy", however, is great. What he is saying is basically: no convincing through force, only through discussion. Since I firmly think that MRM is in the right here, I have no problem with this: discussion favors us. Sure, they might censor in their "safe spaces" or whatever, but really, that is not too terrible, so long as free speech spaces continue to exist throughout most of reddit. Note, he never says that others should be FORCED to be "safe spaces", only that SOME "safe spac…
/r/MensRights18/10/12 04:44 AM
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The problem is, individuals might be privileged, but just because a group has certain advantages or disadvantages does not mean that the individual does. That is the real issue with racism and sexism (including feminism) in that they see an inequity in the averages, and they treat EVERYONE from the group according to the variation that they might have no part in.
/r/MensRights18/10/12 04:41 AM
2

Make recording yourself a quirky, funny, artsy thing you do in private? But do this for sure. Wiretapping laws in many places, including my own, require consent of both parties, not just one.
/r/MensRights18/10/12 04:30 AM
14

Just going to leave the video here. It is a defense lawyer and a police interrogator both explaining in painful detail just why you shouldn't talk to the police. Especially in cases like rape.
/r/MensRights18/10/12 04:28 AM
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I hope this is sarcastic...
/r/MensRights18/10/12 04:27 AM
12

What...? The problem is that the male role exists, but what you are doing here is saying "because she is a woman, she deserves to feel like men do". Assuming that all women are oblivious and all men suffer. Some men suffer, and we fight for their rights. Some women are oblivious, and we seek their awareness. Neither is universal.
/r/MensRights18/10/12 04:26 AM
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Food for thought: I think the concept of concern troll is bullshit. I prefer the older name: The Socratic Method. You ask questions which lead the person to come to the same conclusion that you came to, without the need to directly state your opinion. When you come to proclaim, you might convince people observing the debate, but not the person you are talking with. If you come to learn, then either you are convinced of their position, or you manage to find exactly where your disagreement lies, a…
/r/MensRights18/10/12 04:18 AM
0

I am able to use a piece of land, and pick plants off of it. Now someone builds a house and a farm there, and starts farming. Should I trade with him for the wheat? He did, after all, steal my ability to freely pick plants there, my ability to make a farm myself there, and so on.
/r/seduction18/10/12 04:03 AM
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Sure some of them might. But lets say I don't. I am able to go and use any item that is not used by another. Unless you propose that they enforce their collective desire for the existence of property on me unwillingly? In which case, I see it as being no better then a state.
/r/seduction18/10/12 04:01 AM
0

People may try to trade land, for example. But how can you trade land when I don't agree on which land you own in the first place? Or which materials belonged to you?
/r/seduction18/10/12 03:59 AM
0

Yes, that is exactly it. How do you determine who owns what without the enforcement of a state? If I disagree with your "initial ownership state" (ie, the land or materials you used belonged to someone else), then I do not need to trade for a good, I can simply take it if you are not directly using it, since the materials were taken from my use in the first place.
/r/seduction18/10/12 03:57 AM
1

The problem is simply defining who owns what to start out with. How can I make a trade with you, without us first agreeing that certain things belong to you, and certain things to me? I can say that my future labor belongs to me, perhaps. But until I have agreed that you own, say, the land you grew food on or the materials you built a product out of, then the outcome of the labor can be just as easily interpreted as you, working on shared materials without permission, and thus I have just as muc…
/r/seduction18/10/12 03:53 AM
1

As soon as I stopped giving a shit about "exclusive relationships" and eliminated neediness, my problem suddenly turned into girls being too clingy. This sort of shit work.
/r/seduction18/10/12 03:42 AM
1

I have come to accept that a lot of people here say "Feminists" when they mean "the feminists who actually know a lot about feminism". Given that, I really don't see what was against women in his statement. He simply claimed that others were making claims about "womens ways of knowing" being superior to logic. This is at worst a strawman. If people got banned for strawmen here, the community would probably be a bit smaller (see look, I just did it too! :P)
/r/MensRights18/10/12 03:19 AM
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Indeed, while her thoughts are wrong, her tone seemed very calm, and she was trying to add something to a discussion. If you take a hostile tone, right or wrong, you achieve nothing but getting people upset at you. Give the facts, explain why she is wrong, but from the rational side of things.
/r/MensRights18/10/12 03:15 AM
12

Thank god! The conversation there is actually very interesting, apart from a few extreme SRS and MRM trolls. The fact is, 95% of the people are looking at evidence and finding the truth, which happens to align with MRM interests, but without the raging that often accompanies it here.
/r/MensRights17/10/12 10:21 PM
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I don't see property as being rationally definable outside of the state; the "labor" excuse does not explain away the theft of materials from the collective. Thus any property can only exist within a non-anarchist construct of the state, and as such, is subject to higher human rights and freedoms. Free market cannot be inherently free as the initial state is enforced unfairly by the existence of a State, and without the state, the only trade-able good is labor itself, but any physical goods or p…
/r/seduction17/10/12 06:59 AM
0

Field reports are useful, and the ego building feeling of bragging is a well deserved reward for providing useful content.
/r/seduction16/10/12 11:01 PM
1

When I get drunk at a bar or party, I go home and play video games for the rest of the evening. So... um... the whole "drunk you is more fun" thing fails pretty hardcore for me. Sober me is an intellectual interested in learning about people, and gets along with people pretty well. Drunk me is an antisocial dick who bails on friends and chicks and the drop of a dime.
/r/seduction16/10/12 10:09 PM
2

I find people standing within 10 feet threatening. They should not do that, because it makes me uncomfortable. I find people talking in hushed voices nearby threatening, because they could be insulting me. People should not communicate in public places unless they make the subject of their conversation clear to all around. I find people looking at me threatening. Everyone should only look at the ground, so then they won't accidentally look at me, because I feel uncomfortable when they do that. B…
/r/MensRights14/10/12 11:10 PM
0

I disagree. I think that you cannot control what will offend or not offend someone. Once it is clear that you HAVE offended, you should back off, but I can never be 100% sure I will not offend, and I certainly do not intend to never talk to anyone. If you take offense, make that clear, and if they keep at it, THEN they are harassing.
/r/MensRights14/10/12 11:05 PM
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I think the point is to raise awareness in this direction. Not everyone is as blessed as we are.
/r/MensRights14/10/12 10:58 PM
1

"Gave in" means gave consent, ie inherently not rapey? Making out. Make a move. She refuses. You are OK with it and keep making out. She like the reaction, and ends up getting more turned on. She consents to sex. I don't see anything wrong with this?
/r/seduction14/10/12 10:47 PM
0

You don't have to be "upfront" with women, but there is no problem in slipping in that you just want some fun for the night at some point before sex.
/r/seduction14/10/12 10:44 PM
2

People in STEM fields will usually agree uncertainly that "something should be done maybe to encourage more women", but mostly from a position of it not being their area of expertise.
/r/MensRights14/10/12 07:35 AM
1

Because I am very drunk and fuck yeah dancing and I will be the awesome center of attention? IE the same exact reasons?
/r/MensRights13/10/12 05:45 AM
1

I am creeped out as heck by it to, but I will fight to the death for their legal right to say it.
/r/MensRights12/10/12 03:16 AM
9

Sexism is ok because "its just the way it is" and "its nothing personal"? You can justify a lot of seriously evil shit that way.
/r/MensRights12/10/12 02:47 AM
6

There are a few limiting beliefs that caused this kind of thinking in myself, that I have worked through in the past few years: 1) Dating and socializing is not a zero sum game. That one guy who goes all out and gets all the attention and girls is not going to cause more then a ripple, and certainly isn't ruining anything for you or out to get you. He is just having fun the best he can, and trying to stop him will not help anyone. Why do people hate frat boys and sorority girls? As far as I can …
/r/seduction11/10/12 12:17 PM
2

Mine are trivially available. I don't really WANT to get doxxed, but if I do, I would revel in taking it on with the full force of the law that I can muster.
/r/MensRights11/10/12 11:57 AM
2

Admittedly, there is only so much you can do to control the actions of your reddit subscribers. The admins and such could, in theory, legitimately not want to be a downvote brigade.
/r/MensRights11/10/12 11:54 AM
2

Indeed. I generally vote democratic and consider myself to be liberal, but I realized early on that there was a difference between supporting a regulated economy where the wealthy get taxed more, morality independent of religions influence, carefully planning for the future, and a society in which those less well off are cared for, while still maintaining a sense of rational compromise and Making up bullshit about feelings and living as one with nature spirits and only buying organic and protect…
/r/MensRights11/10/12 11:52 AM
-1

Reddit mods have power. If they are not exploiting that massive inherent attractiveness then they are doing it wrong.
/r/MensRights11/10/12 11:44 AM
2

I think the main value is that you can link most people to that subreddit, tell them to read the sidebar and such, and then get free subscribers to MR.
/r/MensRights11/10/12 11:41 AM
2

We have more subscribers by a significant margin. Never lose hope!
/r/MensRights11/10/12 11:35 AM
1

And what would that do? Being banned is a temporary delay; every subreddit just rebuilds itself somewhere else. If the needs is there, the subreddit exists to fill that need. Then again, the admins should be seriously afraid. Blackmail can result in serious police investigations as well as a PR disaster if they continue.
/r/MensRights11/10/12 11:30 AM
1

You need practice, and the practice mentality: your goal is to fail, and learn from your failures. If a conversation is going to well, do something crazy, or an off color joke, to see if it works or not.
/r/seduction07/10/12 07:58 PM
4

"Send me your schedule" is more confident in tone?
/r/seduction07/10/12 07:56 PM
10

Ask her if she has any particular skills that you might find useful. Best case, she thinks of sex and wants you. Average case: Brownies/cookies.
/r/seduction07/10/12 07:48 PM
1

If our society gave men and women equal opportunities and support, this might mean something. Discrimination could be for any number of reasons.
/r/MensRights07/10/12 07:32 PM
3

Eh, advertising agency made a stupid choice, and got beaten down for it very quickly. As long as it is made clear that this is unacceptable promptly, no problem.
/r/MensRights06/10/12 09:11 PM
1

It is jealousy, and desire to be loved at an extreme. Love is a powerful emotion... to desire someone above others and wish for them to reciprocate, to the point of abandoning all sense. It might not be logical or reasonable, but that is hardly the point. I do not think it is a WORSE form of existence, and understanding can exist. Alas, there is too much judgement between the two. People really honestly do feel powerful, irrational love, and are not just "tricked" into something they don't want.…
/r/seduction06/10/12 06:35 AM
1

I always planned for monogamy, but I never thought about why. When I started thinking about it, I realized that it really does not mean much for me. I am a very low-emotional person, and have never been anywhere near "love" in my life, and don't feel particularly upset about girls cheating on me... I understand that most people are not this way, but why should I match their norms? I like having friends, I like pleasuring beautiful women. Sometimes the two even overlap. But all the "fluff" around…
/r/seduction05/10/12 10:13 PM
3

Both perspectives are true. Yes, there is an excuse for it, people do things that hurt people without realizing it. At the same time, everyone ultimately has personal responsibility for themselves. I think there is a rational balance: everyone should look at what they could have done better, and be willing to at least consider any and all criticism, but legal and social punishments be based off optimal, utilitarian outcomes, not "justice", because when luck and society have such an influence, so…
/r/MensRights05/10/12 09:07 PM
2

Shaming is trying to convince people of your view that is not supported by sufficient reasoning. If you have a valid point, you can make it without shame. You are fighting a symptom of shaming, but using shaming to do it is meaningless.
/r/MensRights05/10/12 08:48 PM
2

You are who you define yourself to be, adult and child are just meaningless labels others put on you. But if someone does not work, don't keep doing it. Just cause you are who you have been does not mean it is who you must be.
/r/MensRights05/10/12 08:46 PM
-1

Yes, you must follow absolutely normal standards to define yourself as man, it is the only way!
/r/MensRights05/10/12 08:40 PM
1

The problem is, the CV is exactly the same. You might have a predisposition, but your accomplishments are what should matter, and your actual disposition can vary far more then the variation of the predisposition. That said, if a woman has a kid, she gets longer leave, which could be reason enough to discriminate rationally. A legal + bological obligation.
/r/MensRights04/10/12 11:13 PM
4

I would extend this to equal responsibility for ones own actions as well. Many if not most MRA issues fall under this category.
/r/MensRights04/10/12 07:45 AM
2

I hear the studies where they give the same resume, but with a man or a woman name, and men get significantly higher offers. I hear 77% less and less these days.
/r/MensRights04/10/12 06:55 AM
-1

1) funding the government with their labor Cause women don't do this... Let me explain something about how democracy works. Lets say person A choses to not work very hard at all in life. They earn a low income, or find someone else who wants to provide for them, and spend most of their time lounging around watching TV or chatting with friends. Now lets say Person B spends their entire life in masochistic self betterment, stress, working 16 hours a day, sacrificing his life, and earns a lot of mo…
/r/MensRights02/10/12 10:29 PM
-1

WHAT the HELL? These claims are not only ubsurdly indefensible by factual evidence, but are exactly the sort of mysogeny that feminsts claim MRAs have. Radical feminists like to think every issue is a gender issue. But listen carefully: NOT EVERY ISSUE IS A GENDER ISSUE. The argument of having a social saftey net can be made even if genders didn't exist. So could the arguments against it. This has absolutely nothing to do with stealing people's money because people are lazy. Let me propose a cou…
/r/MensRights02/10/12 10:01 PM
5

First, that is an interesting claim made with no evidence. Second, why would knowing this prevent violence? Women being in a state of arousal and euphoria seems like it would be a desireable thing to many men, and throwing a few punches around might be worth it to them.
/r/MensRights02/10/12 09:44 PM
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"What do you do to prevent domestic violence:" Women: <some kind of list> Men: Nothing, because if I did, I would go to jail for domestic violence.
/r/MensRights02/10/12 09:41 PM
3

This is a surprisingly powerful statement, but I would have to see it a few times to decide if it would be good or bad. At some level, you are implying she is being a douche for talking about other guys in front of you. I guess it depends on your frame.
/r/seduction02/10/12 08:02 PM
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physically Drop this word. It is what they do to people they dont find attractive. This does not mean that in a parallel universe, if you had done something differently, you would not have been seen as attractive. It is just too late now. That is the argument of the friendzone, that the interaction is undecided when you first meet, but once decided, is hard to change. The distinction is one is fatalist, and the other inspires future action.
/r/seduction02/10/12 08:00 PM
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The act being commited is identical. The context is the only difference, and which context it is requires another court case to decide. The solution here is, unfortunately, either appeals, or just forcing everyone to risk extrajudicial punishment.
/r/MensRights02/10/12 05:16 PM
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No, but demanding that shame and presumption of guilt be withheld in any court case is unrelated to both cases. The idea is, "leaking" to create public pressure is a tactic, and it often favors those who are favored by pulbic opinion. If you think that you should be allowed to leak any and all court case related information to the news, then so should everyone else, including, say, in a case of false rape accusations where the news cycle discusses and villifies the "predator" who horribly sexual…
/r/MensRights02/10/12 05:11 PM
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Dunno, I feel like I would like for rapists and their accusers to have their identities to be kept private until they are convicted. To then want something different in this case seems hypocritical. If injustice is done, you can pulbish after and appeal, right?
/r/MensRights02/10/12 04:58 AM
1

Please, I am not saying you are wrong, I just want the links that I am sure you can provide me easier then I could possibly hunt down myself!
/r/MensRights02/10/12 04:17 AM
1

You are right of course. Such a study would be interesting, and I will begin considerations of sampling methods right away.
/r/MensRights02/10/12 04:12 AM
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Here is the thing, my personal experience was completely different, and I experienced no bias. femminist dont care about truth... we do And every feminist would claim the opposite. How do you determine who is right? By what you "feel"? people are so obbbsed with staticial data.... that they dont pay attntion to the factors that creat such data Because we can so often be wrong. Please read this, and maybe all the other posts on that sight when you have time. Again, I am not saying you are wrong, …
/r/MensRights01/10/12 11:45 PM
1

No, I am saying there seems to be a decently sized group of people here who appear to default to "she's probably lying", and are tolarated, but certainly not all of /MR by any stretch of the imagination. It might just be selective bias, of course. Most of us just stick to "it is quite possible she is lying, look at the numbers, so you have to show evidence to convict."
/r/MensRights01/10/12 11:34 PM
0

Girls more likely to come in after class for extra teaching, perhaps? I may be very strange in this, but I don't actually build my world view around my personal experience. It is a statistically irrelevent blip, subject to massive confirmation bias. The "look and see" argument is used to support patriarchy by feminists; they look, and they see what they want to see. That is how people react to things. Using an appeal to "local common knowlege" is silly; this sort of appeal could be used for any …
/r/MensRights01/10/12 11:22 PM
1

I've seen many things too. Some of them were papers about studies done with statistically relevent population sizes.
/r/MensRights01/10/12 11:12 PM
1

Yes, there is indeed an issue in equality of outcome, the statistics ARE OBVIOUS. Men are doing worse then women in school. But without evidence that that is caused by the school system, and not merely predisposition to different skills or preferences, your argument is weak, and I have not seen THAT particular evidence. What I am attempting to point out is that this is the same argument used to promote Affirmative Action policies that favor less qualified minorities. Just because a large percent…
/r/MensRights01/10/12 10:33 PM
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Good post. About your second point: perhaps one problem is the insistance that "rape is rape is rape". To have sex when someone didn't want to, but it was hard to tell, because say, the accused is hard of hearing, and she had consented earlier? That would be the equivalent of manslaughter, something like "inappropriate sexual pressure", a small sentence that could possibly get cleared of the record. 19 year old having sex with a 15 year old? Similar situation maybe. I am not exactly sure if I ag…
/r/MensRights01/10/12 07:55 PM
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I really don't see that air anywhere in society, except maybe around mens rights groups, and frankly, we here are very much fringe. If you can show that this sort of "air" exists, I will be willing to consider your argument further. Also, there are a number of arguments NEVER made in this subject, such as certain possible inequalities in the definition of rape. If having sex while intoxicated is rape, then why are women not just as guilty as men? Frankly, the entire concept of being able to will…
/r/MensRights01/10/12 07:48 PM
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"math and extrapolation" "reported in a study". Explain to me the details of how this could possibly work. Because I know statistics, and I know math, yet neither of these allows people to determine the Truth. If a rape allegation occurs and then no arrest happens because it is withdrawn, and then the woman reports on a study that yes, she was telling the truth, that does not in any way prove she was telling the truth. If you ask a small sample of women if they were raped, and then extrapolate t…
/r/MensRights01/10/12 07:40 PM
4

Why do femenists quote such low numbers for arrests, but also such low numbers for false accusations? I am so confused...
/r/MensRights01/10/12 07:35 PM
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The use of the word "victim" and "perpetrator" is incomplete cases is absurd. When someone comes forward with a rape accusation, they are the accuser, and the other person is the defendant.
/r/MensRights01/10/12 07:32 PM
2

Oh, I know all about this mens rights issue, I just have legitimately never seen anything more then hypothesis to prove any more then inequality of outcome.
/r/MensRights01/10/12 07:25 PM
1

Its good of you to give him a chance. Good luck?
/r/MensRights01/10/12 12:21 PM
2

Only if the same privalage is afforded in the sex reversed case.
/r/MensRights01/10/12 12:19 PM
1

I think the inevitable course for our world is either a change in the divorce laws to be more sane, or dowries for men. Contingent of course on more universal awareness of male value.
/r/MensRights01/10/12 12:16 PM
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I also would have preferred an office job, but the sexism sets in here: men are "incompetent at work that requires intelligence" and I therefore are too stupid to get a job outside of construction. As far as I know, men still tend to dominate in STEM programs, especially computer science, even in places in the world were women are given every possible affordance to encourage them to go into those programs. This might be a cultural message passed on by your mother, but the truth is, men still dom…
/r/MensRights01/10/12 12:14 PM
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When you make strong claims, please support them, even here.
/r/MensRights01/10/12 12:09 PM
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Manhood101 is a troll looking for suckers, well known.
/r/MensRights01/10/12 11:28 AM
2

Did you not listen to the message? People are so afraid of awkward, they avoid social contact. Don't fear the awkward, and show the other that they should not fear it either.
/r/seduction01/10/12 10:38 AM
2

Maybe the response to people calling themselves feminists should just be to link them to SRS. Or is the ridiculousness not obvious enough?
/r/MensRights29/09/12 11:38 PM
1

That isn't wholly true. Feminism, if it were true, is not anti male. That is why feminists don't see what they are doing as misandry and so on. Unfortunately, they don't live in that universe in the western world.
/r/MensRights29/09/12 11:36 PM
1

Wait, do you think that the other girl does not think that all men are not evil?
/r/MensRights29/09/12 11:32 PM
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You are telling a 16 year old who came to /r/mensrights for advice that 16 year olds are unlikely to have reasoned conclusions. I would argue that most people are unlikely to have reasoned conclusions, and that saying it of a specific category is misleading. You learn as you get older, but also tend to get more set in your ways, so it really isn't as clear cut as that. 16 is a classic age for people to change religions, change political parties, and so on, because the teenage years are precisely…
/r/MensRights29/09/12 11:29 PM
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I agree with the first point to some degree. The second point is true, and is exactly one of the main pieces of stuff that is horribly wrong with our schools.
/r/MensRights29/09/12 11:25 PM
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Honestly, I was so surprised at first by how easy things are at the college, I thought I was just getting super lucky. But this is a great analogy; anyone can shoot fish in a barrel: getting some PUA skills is like getting a machine gun.
/r/seduction29/09/12 03:43 AM
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Its because of the implication... "Wet, or wet? Your choice."
/r/seduction29/09/12 02:24 AM
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In fact, control of language is a common suppressive technique used to censor any chance of real discussion, in my mind. Just because it works does not mean we have to degrade ourselves to it.
/r/MensRights28/09/12 07:56 AM
1

This seems like the most reasonable system in any case.
/r/MensRights28/09/12 12:29 AM
2

Indeed, but the whole point of the PUA community is that, every once in a while, sharing what you have learned can help compliment your learning.
/r/seduction27/09/12 11:28 PM
2

Eh, you can coexist to some degree. But if you have a habit of guilting and shaming people into acting how you want them to, someone who does not give a shit about your shame tactics is probably incompatibe... after the intense attraction wears off.
/r/seduction27/09/12 10:34 PM
3

Outcome independance as a lifestyle.
/r/seduction27/09/12 10:32 PM
3

Trust me, it happens.
/r/seduction27/09/12 10:30 PM
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What if that is how you naturally feel? Personally, I don't get as much "emotional depth" from relationships as many people I know, but frankly, forcing myself to match the "social norm" of what a relationship should be seems unappealing, as well as manipulative and deceptive.
/r/seduction27/09/12 10:22 PM
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This is going to happen to me tonight, I am 90% sure of it, girlfriend has "things to talk about". Good read to plan ahead :D She dumped be before, and I did exactly this... she came back a day later, and hey, the sex was good, what can I say.
/r/seduction27/09/12 09:36 PM
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If I hold a kinfe up to your throat, is it still consent? What is if is playfully or preplanned? What if it is just a threat of getting fired? Can an 18 year old consent? Or 17? Or 4? Or someone who has been drugged? Its not QUITE as clear as you make it seem. This is where the fuzzyness comes from. Of course, there is rational mediums to be found. 100% is silly, but so is "just say the magic words, circumstances are irrelevant".
/r/MensRights27/09/12 12:17 AM
1

Exactly. But just because constantly chasing girls for flings does not work for everyone does not mean that steady relationships will work for everyone as well. Both are valid preferences, and all the rhetoric from both extreeme PUAs as well as from steady monogamists claiming the other side is "wrong" is only causing harm.
/r/seduction26/09/12 10:35 PM
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The reason I say this is, from what I have seen, both types of people exist (though there are countless variations between), but there is a general assumption that the other is "bad" from both sides of the divide. A lot of people who really benefit from stable relationships see the other side as "denying their real desire for stability" or just "psychopathic", while at the exact same time, people who really enjoy variety and fast spurts of passion and dont gain as much from longer relationships …
/r/seduction26/09/12 10:31 PM
1

Why? Why is this so horribly abnormal? Simply because it is different from your personal experience? One could argue that being inherently dependant on another for happyness is unhealthy just as easily.
/r/seduction26/09/12 02:46 PM
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You forgot to add "But no funny buisness".
/r/seduction26/09/12 08:14 AM
2

Why is not being a serial monogamist unhealthy? Or even never seeing the same woman twice? We might say it is unusual, but is it really on the level of a mental illness?
/r/seduction26/09/12 07:58 AM
1

Gynophobia: MWGTOW. Not that I blame them.
/r/MensRights25/09/12 04:11 AM
1

That's funny, because he spends the whole time talking to scientists and professors and such, and gives equal time to both to make their points. I really have not seen many documentaries handle complex issues this carefully very often.
/r/MensRights24/09/12 11:23 PM
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That is hilarious, thanks for that link.
/r/MensRights24/09/12 11:07 PM
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Hey, when I was 6, it was the shit ;)
/r/MensRights24/09/12 08:54 PM
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Hey, I like scooby doo, because the message is that behind every supposedly supernatural thing, there is a non-supernatural explanation.
/r/MensRights24/09/12 08:50 PM
1

It is easier then linking the large number of scientific studies and papers that are referenced by the video. Are you really going to reject it because of a name?
/r/MensRights24/09/12 08:24 PM
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Lemming in some specific way. Some idea or though pattern that is unexamined. Hell, I was a feminism lemming until I saw conclusive evidence otherwise. And I seriously doubt that my opinions represent the truth in every case even now, even after a lifetime of seeking out evidence and questioning my beliefs.
/r/MensRights23/09/12 08:57 PM
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The best option of course is all possible options. But as a beginner, it is very easy to get caught up hoping for someone specific, and it really can mess you up, which is a danger of holding out too long waiting for the first girl. If she does not actively try to come up with an alternative time, she clearly is not THAT interested.
/r/seduction23/09/12 08:47 PM
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Ah, I see, we seem to be working on completely different definitions of Patriarchy. No, I don't think this definition of patriarchy is bullshit: "A government where a men hold top positions of political power". OBVIOUSLY that is reality. The problem is with the fact that that in any way results in or from a society that leads to men being privileged over women. That is the definition of patriarchy, the one that implies some form of nefarious scheme, that is nonsense. So again I will reiterate, p…
/r/MensRights23/09/12 08:27 PM
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Ah, I see, and which data are you using to support this claim? Here, have an interesting documentary concerning the troubling gender difference in employment choices in Norway (a country known for its very "progressive" gender policy), and scientific research surrounding gender differences. The question when you hold some opinion is "what kind of evidence would convince me that my opinion is wrong?" Because any evidence that fails this test is ignorance in disguise.
/r/MensRights23/09/12 07:53 PM
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Power being held by men implies that the system creates sexual imbalance? Please support this assumption. Just because they take place at the same time does not mean one implies the other. And finding out the "cause" of a problem is only useful if it finds what the next step to fixing it is. In the middle east, the problem is that there are horrible dictatorial governments, and an oppressive religion. In the west, said problems don't exist to nearly the same degree, and trying to "solve" non-exi…
/r/MensRights23/09/12 07:50 PM
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Clearly this is a product of patriarchy making women embarrassed about their bodies. Women are the real victims. /s
/r/MensRights23/09/12 07:44 PM
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You can't blame someone for giving absolutist advice when your title is very absolutist. Everyone has a right to say their particular set of random rules that seems to work.
/r/seduction23/09/12 07:04 PM
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Meh, repeat the last night, and he has 6 more girls in those few days. Is it really worth the hassle?
/r/seduction23/09/12 06:57 PM
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"Evidence of patriarchy" is as convincing as "evidence of the Illuminati" in the fact that it says "because certain people think and believe certain things, it CLEARLY means that there is this specific conspiracy out there planning it." Patriarchy implies there is something that men do to women for their own benefit. But societal constructs do not seem to work this way from anything I have seen in life. Women inherit most of their beliefs and ideas from women, and men from men. But the correct s…
/r/MensRights23/09/12 06:48 PM
1

You said "ladies" not "feminists". And everyone everywhere is a lemming jumping off of some cliff.
/r/MensRights23/09/12 06:35 PM
3

You google for basic tips on how to be more photogenic? This sort of stuff is 99% just doing things like staring at the lens, sitting/standing up too straight, or giving too cheesy of a smile.
/r/seduction23/09/12 06:30 PM
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Hey, lets stop throwing words around, and look at something interesting, like a documentary :) www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EnZOwG4p1o Edit: This is about studies about the effect that parenting has on children and their upbringing, filmed by a Harald Eia, a Norwegian comedian and single father of two daughters. This is the second part of his amazing 7 part series called brainwash, contrasting differences in what sociologist think, what commonly held attitudes are, and what studies indicate about a …
/r/MensRights23/09/12 04:38 PM
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You think this is caused 100% by society? You really think there are NO differences between men and women except learned ones?
/r/MensRights23/09/12 04:33 PM
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I would argue that radfems ruined it for everyone else. Now, of course, the cat is out of the bag, and many men realize that they don't have to pay for women to stay at home, and all of a sudden women are upset that men aren't "committing", only to find that shame is losing its teeth.
/r/MensRights23/09/12 04:32 PM
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You have to realize that in many cases, the women you are talking about are different people.
/r/MensRights23/09/12 04:25 PM
1

Being social is a skill, learned by failing at it until you get better. Expect to fail, then try to rationally identify what you could have done better, and try again. Also, you can imitate what others do who seem to be doing better. And if you pull up any bullshit about "being yourself"... urg. Being yourself is just an excuse people use to not seek self improvement.
/r/seduction22/09/12 10:15 PM
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Because patriarchy is bullshit. We don't see it, or any conclusive evidence for it. The situation between women and men is the fault of women and men, and more importantly, it DOES NOT MATTER whose fault it is.
/r/MensRights22/09/12 10:04 PM
1

If an activity is identical to a legal one except for intent, it is still legal. And she has the ability to chose at each drink to take it or not, accepting the resposnsibility for her state afterwards. And no, gifts are not "force". Just because someone give you a gun does not mean you have to go shoot it, or even accept it. I have refused plenty of drinks, it really is not that hard.
/r/MensRights22/09/12 09:16 PM
1

So if I am not drunk I am a rapist, but id I am plastered its ok? What? It is illogical so long as you have the premise that you can willingly do things to yourself that affect your ability to consent. If you choose to get plastered, that is sober you accepting responsibility for drunk you's actions and choices.
/r/MensRights22/09/12 09:07 PM
1

It shouldn't be a legal nightmare; the fact that it is says something about our laws.
/r/MensRights22/09/12 09:03 PM
1

Indeed. Also I don't drink very often (I really don't like the effect alcohol has on me) so would that exlude me from picking up girls at bars? Am I not allowed to buy them drink? Does the act of not drinking make me a terrible person?
/r/MensRights22/09/12 09:01 PM
1

Grey ares is problematic when such lare punishments come into action. People are responsible for knowing the law and abiding by it, but if the law is too fuzzy, that become impossible, and "rule of law" turns into "whatever the person deciding feels like, different from day to day".
/r/MensRights22/09/12 08:57 PM
1

If a situation involving "bad intent" is externally identical to a situation involving "good intent", the only options are to make one or the other illegal. But that is irellevant here, since the question is "when do you not have personal responsibility for your actions?" I would argue that such situations are rare to nonexistant; "I was ordered to" is not a valid defense in the case of war crimes as far as I know. If you resist and are physically forced to anyways, that is the one case where yo…
/r/MensRights22/09/12 08:54 PM
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Gay men are not typically feminine I used to think like you do, but once you define what feminine means, this is actually a testable hypothesis, and people have tested it. I am on my phone, so hunting down the studies right now is a pain, but I think you might be surprised. There was an even more interesting paper just a few months back suggesting that female "carriers" of the "gay gene" (in quotes because those are simplifications of how it really works) have higher fertility rates.
/r/MensRights22/09/12 08:39 PM
1

The level of punishment in the parallel example might be a bit over the top, since theft and rape are different crimes, but the fact that they are parallel crimes is valid.
/r/MensRights22/09/12 08:30 PM
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No, by being drunk and providing consent. What I mean by consent is the physical act. Otherwise, the law leads to absurdisms, like essentially mandating that drunk people cannot have consensual sex without getting permission from each other when sober without risking jail for decades and permanent social stigma. This is the point the cartoon makes... for large sections of the sexually liberated populace (men AND women), "drunk hookups at bars" are a fun thing they choose to do regularly, and law…
/r/MensRights22/09/12 08:25 PM
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This is the point I keep trying to make; if you intoxicate yourself, you are 100% responsible for any actions "drunk you" takes.
/r/MensRights21/09/12 12:56 PM
11

You don't understand, the real horror of it is, here in America it could be satire in EITHER direction.
/r/MensRights21/09/12 12:54 PM
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It dilutes the meaning of the word.
/r/MensRights21/09/12 12:53 PM
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Oh, really, have you achieved total happiness? Also, is happiness a worthwhile goal, as opposed to, say, helping out humanity or whatever? Dunno, I feel pretty happy with this reality.
/r/seduction20/09/12 06:50 AM
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This is the same BS that every religion pedals. "I cannot prove god is real, you must first try to believe in him with your heart, and then you will see the truth like we do!" Yes, in fact, when you are deep in the jaws of confirmation bias, you will believe random shit, but that does not make it more reasonable, and thinking that you can judge what is true or not by what "feels" right is just delusional. It "feels" like the earth is flat, and "feel" like humans are not descended from monkeys, b…
/r/seduction20/09/12 06:46 AM
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Haha, are you referring to hubris or outdated Freudian psychology? Convincing yourself that faeries are real is hardly self development, and without concrete evidence, I have no reason to believe this book is any more real then faeries. If I took personal anecdotes, beliefs, and feelings as solid evidence, I would have to accept Jesus, Muhammad AND Xenu by now.
/r/seduction20/09/12 06:42 AM
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If I had to read every life-changing spiritual book thrown my way, I would never have time to actually learn about and experience reality. There are just as many people who insist I read the Bible, Koran, and Unlocking Your Inner Crystal Child. Don't worry, I read shit like Prometheus Rising or I'm OK, You're OK, and other pseudoscience psychological deep/life-changing books. And in the end, I learn far less then sitting down and reading a good textbook, because that at least cites sources and h…
/r/seduction20/09/12 06:37 AM
1

You are touching on a number of interesting points. First of all, your analogy is flawed. There are MANY other properties of colored light that are testable. But I will take your premise at its core: that there is some property "overlayed" over the universe that you suddenly have perception of, but you cannot see any effect of that property on the universe. Then what is the point? The only difference is maybe you "see the world differently", but the world continues to function the same way. If y…
/r/seduction20/09/12 06:29 AM
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Huh? Of course it is testable. We test it every day, and the sun never failed to set. If the book is like a bunch of bad analogies (which I really suspect it is) then I don't understand what you are getting at. Are you telling me I should have an open mind?
/r/seduction20/09/12 01:52 AM
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Oh, I absolutely love fiction, so long as it is labeled as such. Also, Malcom's books are rather interesting, but he likes to overgeneralize on somewhat unrelated trends. I generally like reading research papers for my nonfiction.
/r/seduction20/09/12 12:03 AM
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This is quite a load of bullshit. Science is entirely about observable phenomenon and finding predictable patterns. If you make a claim about how the universe works, it is either (1) reproducibly testable, and thus can be tested scientifically (2) undisprovable, meaning it has no real effect on our reality that can be measured, or (3) false. The other two categories of claims you can make are (4) logical, which are true so long as all the axioms are true (often confused with science, but very ve…
/r/seduction19/09/12 11:19 PM
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The fact that a magical unicorn is orbiting Saturn has also not been disproven by science, but that does not make it valid. If something has an effect on the real world, it is measurable, and thus it can be detected by science. What claims does that book make? Or is it just woo that makes you feel good?
/r/seduction19/09/12 11:13 PM
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That is a great personal stance towards women, go for it. To some degree I agree that paying for sex is not very dignified, and neither is the work. But I absolutely refuse to infinge on their rights and ban either party from their freedom to choose the conditions of sex, so long as it is consentual (in the rational "both parties agree" sense, no patriarchy mind control bs about people not being able to make choices).
/r/MensRights19/09/12 04:04 PM
2

Did you miss the part where mother son ball games are also prohibited? This is going perfectly evenly against both sides.
/r/MensRights19/09/12 07:10 AM
7

Interesting, I was considering getting HPV vaccine, but I never realized the depth of the effects it has.
/r/MensRights18/09/12 08:38 PM
2

Frame control - Social reality is not like normal reality, in that it exists in everyones heads. What makes someone high value and someone low value, someone cool or someone uncool? What others think of him. Frame control is basically a method for hacking this social reality. You set up a frame, like "I am the coolest, most awesome motherfucker, and I can get any girl I want" and then you NEVER FALTER with it. Other people will see this, and have no choice but to accept it, even at some level, b…
/r/seduction18/09/12 06:33 PM
1

So if it is that accepted of a norm in Russia, then it is hard to see what is so terribly off about the men in this video?
/r/seduction18/09/12 06:22 PM
1

You don't need IOIs or any of that bullshit to go talk to someone. You just need to accept that when you are shut down, that's it, and graciously back out.
/r/seduction18/09/12 06:20 PM
5

This is generally top priority in the first place anyways. Outer game includes things like "take care to look as attractive as possible".
/r/seduction18/09/12 06:00 PM
1

Your logic is interesting, but unfortunately, as is often the case in science, the truth does not directly follow. If you wish to show something is true, you MUST have something like a study or peer reviewed paper to back it up, right?
/r/MensRights18/09/12 05:23 PM
1

Only if budgets are provided as flat sums and then distributed accordingly. If budgets are decided by actual needs, and then proper taxes and funding allocated accordingly, then this problem stops existing.
/r/MensRights18/09/12 05:21 PM
1

And I postulate that it could be something as simple as genetics. All our postulations are equally valid until more science is done on the issue?
/r/MensRights18/09/12 05:17 PM
1

Yes, but I am not capable of accurately identifying, in every single case, if my choice is guided by reasonable logic or just rationalizations of preexisting preferences. I can certainly try, and do better then most people, but it is very vital that you realize that in any given altercation, you MIGHT be the one who is emotional and mistaken, even if you are convinced that you are correct.
/r/MensRights18/09/12 11:11 AM
2

It seems I missed that part of basic biology, which I did in fact do very well in. Could you please give me the benifit of the doubt and actually find data to support your claim that men have higher IQ variation due to the "Y gene" (which I assume you mean Y chromosome?)
/r/MensRights18/09/12 10:58 AM
2

Please, please cite sources when making dramatic claims like this one.
/r/MensRights18/09/12 09:05 AM
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... or if it is the result of genetics. Here lies the issue. If there are real differences between men and women (and there certainly seem to be), then it is possible to have equality of opportunity without equality of outcome. If this is the case, then enforcing equality of outcome actually works to make worse inequality of opportunity. In this case, it is not just an "interesting debate" but a urgent moral issue.
/r/MensRights18/09/12 09:04 AM
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It is only a zero sum game because we limit them so hard.
/r/MensRights18/09/12 09:00 AM
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Learning the exact form and structure of essays was an incredible relief and eye opening experience for me. Essays are very formal and structured, a bit like writing software, with just enough "fuzzy bits" to keep the flow going. I also enjoyed learning grammar, and considered becoming a linguist, before settling on Computer Science. How exactly is writing "inherently girl friendly"?
/r/MensRights18/09/12 08:57 AM
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The idea of "second class citizen" is nonsense in almost every case, because it fails to define the measuring heuristic for "class". In most cases, people are first class in some ways and second class in others, and which ones are more or less important is a matter of opinion, not fact. Personally I would argue that day-to-day relations with people, and laws that affect most people at some point in their lives is more important then the (very very very small) chance of becoming president or CEO,…
/r/MensRights18/09/12 08:37 AM
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Honestly, those are really brilliant ones. The subtlety is in the fact that they appeal emotionally and logically, and it is very very hard to express a stance that opposes them in anywhere resembling the same degree of simplicity and elegance.
/r/MensRights18/09/12 08:32 AM
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Win condition that depends on reason does not win in non-reason scenarios.
/r/MensRights18/09/12 08:29 AM
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Which means if you raped her, she raped you just as much. Which is nonsense of course.
/r/MensRights18/09/12 08:05 AM
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Emotions are the one "truth" that can be different for different people. We all see ourselves in a positive light, and our rationalization hamsters work overtime to make this possible, so it is very hard for anyone to consider the other side of an emotional argument to really be true. Personally, I have given up on trying to reverse this fact in myself, let alone others. Just know it exists and use it to your benefit if you can, basically.
/r/MensRights18/09/12 07:41 AM
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Personality being flawed is an inherently emotional proposition. It is only true from the perspective of people and their opinions. Generally, propositions can be categorized into 5 general types. 1) Logic: Statements that can be logically resolved to be true or false, given that the true/false status of the axioms can be ascertained. "Given that X is true, Y is true." 2) Disprovable: Statements that can be shown to be false. If a lot of people have shown it to be true (i.e. failed to show that …
/r/MensRights18/09/12 07:33 AM
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The thing about it was it was full of the people who weren't taking the whole thing seriously. Pickup was both something interesting to be studied practiced, and learned, while at the same time being a complete joke.
/r/seduction16/09/12 02:45 AM
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Pizza close is where it is at. BTW, anyone who knows what I am talking about... I was gone for a few months, and when I came back, the subreddit was gone as if it had never existed. What happened?
/r/seduction16/09/12 01:07 AM
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I disagree, rights, in terms of relations with other people are always zero sum, but the reasonableness or goodness of the rights being taken away is often very much in question. We can state that the right to not be enslaved is more important then the right to own slaves. We can say that the right to not be killed is more important then the right to not kill people. We can say that the right to not have your genitals mutilated is less important then the religions and parental rights of the pare…
/r/MensRights16/09/12 01:01 AM
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If you cannot answer this question, you probably should not be an activist. I am saying this because this is exactly how all the most nonsense activists come into existence; people who don't really know the issues well, but like to feel involved.
/r/MensRights16/09/12 12:56 AM
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You gain nothing by waiting longer. Worst case if you ask, you gain freedom.
/r/seduction16/09/12 12:46 AM
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People are different. Some men and women really do want to find someone to be close to and spend a lot of time with. Some people completely lack that trait, or it is very weak. The problem is, these groups of people have a hard time accepting that the other group has just as valid of a mindset. People who want true love or close, long relationships see the others as being manipulative, compensating for something, and empty inside. On the other hand, people who prefer to have shorter flings and d…
/r/seduction15/09/12 10:20 PM
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Really off topic at this point: There is SOME evidence of parallel proccessing, but it is more like specialized coproccessors. Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj4y0EUlU-Y&t=2m50s
/r/MensRights14/09/12 07:09 AM
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Eh, I would argue there is an entire moderate wing who notices... these sort of comments come along often.
/r/MensRights14/09/12 06:43 AM
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We have seaman ship, seaman ship for LOVE!
/r/MensRights14/09/12 06:08 AM
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The theory is that people would hire the "best" women or men. Unfortunately, tribalism is very very strong in human nature. Some level of antidiscrimination might actally be helpful in overcoming it and lead to BETTER productivity. That said, until there is evidence for either side, the only arguments that are really reasonable are inequality, and there is plenty there to agree on. :D
/r/MensRights13/09/12 07:02 PM
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Not particularly. You can just switch really fast between thinking about multiple tasks, so it seems like you are handling them, but you have switching overhead.
/r/MensRights13/09/12 06:57 PM
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Yeah, we outnumber atheism+ by a ratio of 30:1 and SRS by a ratio of just over 2:1, and are growing. Our message spreads via reason and discussion of positive rights. No need for bashing.
/r/MensRights13/09/12 06:42 AM
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That is an interesting thread picture you have there.
/r/MensRights13/09/12 06:38 AM
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Meh, where are the more up to date versions? I am not even on there! I feel so left out.
/r/MensRights13/09/12 06:32 AM
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Don't mean mean "I am sorry, please stop shaming me, it hurts so baaaaad"?
/r/MensRights13/09/12 06:31 AM
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I think there has been social progress in general that men benifited from, but nothing specifically for men.
/r/MensRights13/09/12 03:07 AM
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It has nothing to do with this movement in general, the term is also used by pickup artists and so on. The point is that the red pill shows you the world of gender issues in a totally different way, so you can't see things the way they were before.
/r/MensRights13/09/12 03:06 AM
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If you are using sudoku for any kind of brain training, you are not getting any benefit. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v464/n7292/full/4641111a.html So, yes, for many, sudoku is a superstition. You know, how about I just bring out a bit of counter-yoga evidence and leave it at that: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/magazine/how-yoga-can-wreck-your-body.html
/r/seduction13/09/12 01:07 AM
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I most cases, if you don't mention men's rights, you can approach the issue slowly, and get feminists who have not been "inoculated" against our views to agree with us.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 08:27 PM
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Fair enough, I meant it only as "I am relatively new around here, and I hadn't noticed it at first". It is good to hear that it has been getting better around here over time.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 08:24 PM
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Good points, actions are more important then words, and we should focus on the actions taken by feminists, not just the words of their members.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 08:22 PM
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And what about the situation of drunkenness? Context is ALWAYS relevant. If someone has a knife to their throat, then they might say yes, but context still says they lacked the ability to consent. The line does not seem quite so clean to me. No means no, and yes does not always mean yes? The state is not really collapsed; it never really collapses, and the only way to deal with that is judges and juries that have the ability to take context into account. I really see no other way, and the absolu…
/r/MensRights12/09/12 08:20 PM
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I agree completely. I am just saying that a large degree of the media coverage is either unaware, or using the blue pill argument of "its different". It is NOT hating men or anything similar, just uninformed or well meaning discrimination.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 08:10 PM
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We are at all 3 of the first steps at once with different demographics. They are hardly mutually exclusive.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 05:34 AM
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Cultural asymmetry is easier to fight by focusing on legal asymetry. It is very difficult to objectively and statistically show the former, but trivial to demonstrate the latter.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 05:33 AM
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Dunno, /r/atheism seems to be regarded pretty heavily as a circle jerk as well.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 05:30 AM
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This is terrible terrible advice. Why would you advocate he commit a criminal act?
/r/MensRights12/09/12 05:08 AM
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I am sorry if I have offended you, but I can assure you I do not mean to troll. Please explain, however, what you view as the point of the MRM.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 05:04 AM
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At some level, this is a good point. If femenism hating helps grow memebership and awareness, then it is fine. Honestly, the goal is to grow to the point where Mens Rights becomes understood by a significant portion of the population, because that is how change is encacted in a democracy.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 04:38 AM
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I think the fear is that, fraknly, feminism, in and of itself, is not a social imbalance that needs to be corrected. They might contribute to those imbalances at time, but the issues should be the focus; if we can convince people of the correctness of our convicions, then we win, not by convincing people that feminists can be douchebags. I am pretty sure the layman already knows that at some level.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 04:35 AM
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I don't think his target audience, and the men he is reffering to, are men in general, but rather "men who are trying to pick up women". He is a pickup artist speaking to and about other pickup artists.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 04:32 AM
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generalisations the techniques of the seduction community aren't mere theories, they are tried and tested and work on the majority of people There is a significant amount of selection bias at work here. People come up with pet theories and find evidence for them working. Getting actually analytical data is difficult, and the trial sizes very dubiously small. Statistically, you are going to get a LOT of false positives. in someways they undo false perceptions of dating on purpose and by accident.…
/r/MensRights12/09/12 04:31 AM
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The MRA has grown in direct opposition to feminism. This seems to me to imply that the primary goal of Mens Rights is to oppose things caused by feminism. Last time I checked, Mens Rights is about protecting mens rights, and not claiming that feminism is the evil that caused them. Mens Rights is not built around the theory of female privalage.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 04:13 AM
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Blaming everything on patriarchy theory is just as nonsense ad blaming it all on patriarchy. Why do you think patriarchy does not cause all sexual inequalities? Those same lines of reasoning can be used to argue the other side of the issue. MRAs are trying to solve social problems, irregardless of source. The causes for any particular issue is likely complex, and it in any case irrelevent to the task at hand. I fail to see how Feminism causes higher workplace fatality or circumcision. Society do…
/r/MensRights12/09/12 03:31 AM
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Here is the deal, I have started noticing similar patterns in certain isolated places in Mens Rights. This is understandable at some level, but still a bit scary. I have seen sprinkings of the following attutudes and it is worrying. Feminists are considered irredeemable; anything they say is a lie, and the opposite MUST be true. Men are oppressed... not just where there is clear evidence of oppression, but universally. Women are always the oppressors. The social problems in our society are cause…
/r/MensRights12/09/12 02:51 AM
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Sure they did, they lost the right to own slaves. One persons right to own property is another persons right to not starve to death. I have a hard time coming up with a situation where some degree of rights is NOT lost when someone else gains rights. If, for example, domestic abuse laws are restructured to punish men and women evenly and fairly, women lose the right to beat their husbands with minimal reprecussions. The trick is, what we want are "equal rights", or as close as we can get, and fo…
/r/MensRights12/09/12 02:30 AM
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http://holisticonline.com/remedies/anxiety/anx_homeopathy.htm A claim is a claim, and has the same value as any other until it is properly substantiated.
/r/seduction12/09/12 02:24 AM
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It does not sound like she was ever not a decent human being, and she sounds like one now. I have no idea what you are talking about, but dismissing people as terrible people because they don't match your ideas about the world is a VERY limited and possibly dangerous perspective.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 02:05 AM
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Perhaps for some people, but Mens Rights is a response to the social problems, and I think that blaming them squarely just on feminists is a dangerous path to follow, in the same way feminists blaming societal problems on powerful, conspiring, privaleged men is.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 02:00 AM
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On the subject of government paid birth control: the correct argument here is that it is an important part of medical care for many people, and thus birth control is just a subset of "everyone should have access to modern health care". The argument IS often made from a silly place, I will agree: demonizing the opposition as hating women is about as silly as, say, saying Obama wants to destroy America. The thing is, from a certain perspective, it is like this: "We will have universal health care …
/r/MensRights12/09/12 01:57 AM
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I know this is probably not very proper to post here, but what is the reasoning behind "requirement of yes" rather then "absence of no" in terms of sex? The difference in effort and capability seems small, and I have not seen evidence that it creates any major difference, so why is this the declared standard? Personally, I feel like "No means no" is sufficient, but I am very open to evidence, and consensus here seems to be against me.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 01:49 AM
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People claim to gain significant medical benifit from homeopathic remedies (water). That is great for them, but there is (1) evidence there would be more benifit if they did something that was backed by hard evidence, like actual medicine, and (2) it really should not be enough to convince the sceptical consumer to purchase.
/r/seduction12/09/12 12:12 AM
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How does that relate to anything? There are plenty of people who have spoken to jesus, but that does not make it real.
/r/seduction11/09/12 09:25 PM
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Sure they are, they are just as benificial as stretching and really light acrobatics training. Anything beyond that (inner peace, breathing excersizes, living a bunch longer, etc) is what I am wondering about.
/r/seduction11/09/12 08:38 PM
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My bad, please post links to your studies.
/r/seduction11/09/12 08:26 PM
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Sorry, I simply meant it in the same way that organic food is a religion.... a set of scientifically unfounded (or very poorly supported) beliefs that a large number of people irrationally ascribe to and teach to others.
/r/seduction11/09/12 06:23 PM
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If I have learned anything from studying religions, it is that ANYTHING can be interpreted out of that thing.
/r/MensRights11/09/12 08:08 AM
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The counter argument is that the mask thing is bullshit. Do you call out fat people for "putting on a mask" and dieting? How about a slacker who gets his shit togeather and graduates college and gets a nice job... he wasn't "being himself". Atheletes should not train; they are lying to the world about what they could really achieve. People who practice pickup just see a problem, and they go about bettering themselves in such a way to solve it. If self confidence was an issue before, they fix tha…
/r/MensRights11/09/12 08:05 AM
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Yoga is too religious for me. You can get the same results from other methedologies. But this seems like it could work for some people.
/r/seduction11/09/12 06:44 AM
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Studies have shown that most of how your kids turn out is determined by genetics and peers anyways.
/r/MensRights11/09/12 06:40 AM
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Or, if it is by default, make it realistically possible to disable. Like, fill out a form, check check boxes to switch from defaults, sign, each person and the state gets a copy.
/r/MensRights11/09/12 06:39 AM
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I like to be able to hold intelligent conversations with women. Issues surrounding this are as good a topic as any. Ask them if they face discrimination, of if their job of choice is discriminatory vs men or women, or something similar.
/r/MensRights10/09/12 11:31 PM
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If you asked me before I found mens rights, I would have decidedly said that I am a feminist. It is because I had only the vaugest notion of what that meant or the data surrounding it. So yeah, this.
/r/MensRights10/09/12 11:29 PM
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I thought the movies were very good, actually. I just also don't think that yoda is a reasonable source of wisdom any more then any fictional character without rational analysis.
/r/MensRights10/09/12 11:08 PM
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Why does 150 or whatever matter? Perhaps they just went to a party twice a week while in a frat or sorority or something, and hooked up with someone each time (with mutual agreement of one night stand status), and then started longing for more long term relationships. I refuse to answer the question on moral grounds, because it SHOULDN'T matter. What if they simply don't answer?
/r/MensRights10/09/12 11:05 PM
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He probably meant "is percieved to increase the chances".
/r/MensRights10/09/12 10:59 PM
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If one girl always chimes in, and is the 1%, then that means you always talk with around 100 girls at a time? Here, have some data instead of ideas you pulled out of air. Its not perfect, but its better then nothing. The reality is, women dont have that big of an advantage in this realm. http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/
/r/MensRights10/09/12 10:58 PM
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Hey, they shrug it off, you shrug it off, it is just a difference of perspective. I really don't think either side of the issue is any more wrong or right then the other.
/r/MensRights10/09/12 10:52 PM
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Dunno, I was pretty sure the whole bible thing said that Women were the sinful ones, but because she hadn't had sex yet, she hadn't succumb to the sin; that is what the importantce of the virginity was, and it implies that virginity in women specifically is considered a virtue in and of itself and nothing more really. Don't go too far like the feminists and start blaming EVERYTHING on your worldview.
/r/MensRights10/09/12 10:50 PM
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You can change the order of what leads to what and it makes just as much sense. In other words, they are all bullshit.
/r/MensRights10/09/12 10:43 PM
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You are right, I should have said "says" instead of "does".
/r/MensRights08/09/12 10:12 PM
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Or, you can just keep fapping and do the exact same rest of the steps. Whichever you prefer.
/r/seduction08/09/12 08:01 PM
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This sounds horrible, but it is a great argument for legal paternal surrender as an equalizer. Thanks!
/r/MensRights08/09/12 06:03 PM
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Shaming tactics? Classy. Allow me to momentarily fall to your level until you participate in proper discourse again.
/r/MensRights08/09/12 05:55 PM
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Fair enough, but drinking has really bad effects on me. If I cannot make rational decisions, I make none at all. So when I alcohol, I tend to freeze up and stop participating in social events.
/r/seduction08/09/12 05:54 PM
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Did you miss the rest of my post where I clearly explained why?
/r/MensRights08/09/12 05:52 PM
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Newbies are not the only ones allowed her, that would be silly. Its the bit where you say "would you like to kiss me" and then she either respons yes or no and you end up kissing her either way, or in this case, she just takes the clear invitation and goes in.
/r/seduction08/09/12 08:42 AM
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The are neither unique, nor in all women. If you think otherwise, feel free to find the evidence for such a radical generalization. Why should I feel judged because men do, in fact, murder way more often then women? We can identify that fact via statistics, but that does not mean that all men should be treated differently because of it. Thus, if you do manage to find evidence of women having certaing horrible traits more often then men that is more then hearsay, it is STILL not meaningful to ext…
/r/MensRights08/09/12 08:35 AM
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You don't have to support every point to support MR. At some level, we are currently a movement of growing awareness more then anything; the issues can be contreversial, as can the exact methods of solving them, but we agree that things are going too far in the opposite direction in general. I don't know the exact meaning or tone of that question, so I will try to explain the position. In western countries, we have come to regard female genital mutilation with disgust. Why? It is a breach of the…
/r/MensRights08/09/12 08:31 AM
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I think I said the same thing you did?
/r/MensRights08/09/12 08:11 AM
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Well, if your enemies are dehumanized enough, which they generally are in a war, then you might not really consider them women in the same way you would those at home.
/r/MensRights08/09/12 08:10 AM
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Send her a text, telling her that you got a motherfucking concussion, but you THINK you remember her being cute and still want to meet up with her at some point. You can reassure her that your face is still pretty, and tell her you will totally go out with her soon, unless you lose all your memories or something. Etc etc.
/r/seduction08/09/12 08:08 AM
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Rejection is better then regret. If you can't "get a read" just ask her directly so you get a yes or no of some kind. Then you can get into it or over it. Oneitis isn't just a weasel word for love, it is the state of holding someone in a state of limbo, preventing yourself from both enjoying the relationship if it happens, or enjoying the NEXT relationship if it is not going to.
/r/seduction08/09/12 08:04 AM
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You know how a lot of rape supposedly goes unreported? I think a lot of that is not just shame, but empathy with the rapist, and I can see how that can be a positive thing in certain cases and for certain people.
/r/MensRights08/09/12 07:51 AM
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Naw, almost everything everyone does is driven by ego-flattering rationalizations. We feel some way, and then we try to to give reason to why. A very universal human quality.
/r/MensRights08/09/12 07:47 AM
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Indeed, direct game is often more effective then indirect game in these cases.
/r/seduction08/09/12 07:40 AM
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This can backfire for being way to generic.
/r/seduction08/09/12 07:40 AM
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... and then I was told that I sould avoid drinking a lot of caffine while on Adderall. Oh well, I would rather have a heart attack then be awkward without a drink. ;)
/r/seduction08/09/12 07:38 AM
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Bah, sure you can have a goal, but your goal should be "get better at seducing chicks". The goal is the journey, not the outcome. Something like "initiate some degree of kino early" or "don't get awkward during silences, but enjoy them" are great. Also, this might be hard, but OP should start trying to think about who he is going to ask out NEXT. Just get some plates spinning as fast as possible: a date is not exclusive. The more he thinks about OTHER girls the less he will focus on THIS one.
/r/seduction08/09/12 07:36 AM
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I dont drink either. It is not a problem. I assume you have a good reason for not drinking? That is a positive character trait: sticking to your values even if they run counter to societal norms. Really, it is a question of framing. She will problably be more worried about (1) what you will think of her if she does chose to drink, how you judge drunk people, etc, and (2) why you chose a BAR as a venue if you dont drink. You need to know who you are, why you chose to do what you do, why you CHOSE…
/r/seduction08/09/12 07:31 AM
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We shouldn't talk about "what a man is" and "what a woman is" at all, we have far more pressing issues like the fact that they are treated differently before the law, and that there are severe double standards in society. To say "women are all like <this>" is counterproductive. Are you proposing inequity in society and the law to compensate? If not, what is the point of the argument, especially if you have absolutely no way to assert its truth? The problem if feminism lies in its cultlike dogma,…
/r/MensRights08/09/12 07:18 AM
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Genius. The classic "use people's self conciousness to distract them from being judgemental of others" gambit.
/r/seduction08/09/12 07:02 AM
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My name is
/r/seduction08/09/12 07:01 AM
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Yes. Women must never be. NEITHER SHOULD MEN. No one should be criticized as a group. It is fine to point out how terrible the people who do certain things are, but not that all men/women are terrible because a subset of them do certain things.
/r/MensRights07/09/12 11:57 PM
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Yes, and blacks run faster and have lower IQ. These things are true in general, but individual variation is far more important in every case, and it is immoral to judge positively or negatively based on generalizations instead of individual capabilites. We should not restrict jobs to people because they have a slightly lower chance of being good at them due to their sex or race or whatever, and in the same way, we should not "pity" or "go easy" on someone doing something stupid or evil just beca…
/r/MensRights07/09/12 11:55 PM
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I am arguing that women should not be criticized as a group, just as men should not be criticized as a group. The argument "womenz are BAAADD" is different from "why do you treat men and women differently?" We cannot complain about how all men are blamed for rape, when only a few do it, and then go around saying how all women have horrible, antisocial behaviors, when only some women do. Two wrongs dont make a right.
/r/MensRights07/09/12 11:15 PM
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"Women" dont have a particular "behavior". Individials have behavior. "Men are evil, but its OK cause women are evil too" is the wrong fight. Individial variation far exceeds group trends. People should simply not be judged by the group they are involunarily assigned to. The goal should not be to make people realize that women have traits that they should be judged by; rather, we should point out how they are treating groups with double standards, and how prejudging anyone by their sex or race o…
/r/MensRights07/09/12 10:16 PM
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I mean, you can't go too far with it though, it fucks with your frame. People can read how you percieve yourself, and if you see yourself as always just being a loser, it turns girls off. Embracing rejection helps with approach anxiety, but "outcome independence" is a refinement of that idea: the idea that you are so fucking awesome, you dont care WHAT she will say, and her accepting or rejecting you does nothing to change that.
/r/seduction07/09/12 10:10 PM
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Bash the modern positions of feminism. Bashing a political/social movement directly is nonsence, you can't pin it down. Bash the arguments they make, and you crush their credibility. The difference is subtle, but important.
/r/MensRights07/09/12 10:06 PM
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Men who rise up and take things by force, so long as it is for the benifit, or at least not the detriment of women, they respect and admire. FTFY
/r/MensRights07/09/12 10:04 PM
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When you approach, your goal is to make it clear what your intentions are without forcing her to choose just yet, because it sets the right context.
/r/seduction07/09/12 09:59 PM
1

Reverse the sex roles. Run that in your head, and see what happens.
/r/MensRights07/09/12 09:43 PM
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Would they want to hear both sides of the story if it was a man who smashed and burned all of a womans things?
/r/MensRights07/09/12 09:37 PM
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That is not the primary reason. If a dude went on a rage spree and burned all the clothing of a woman, would it get a similar response? The problem arises from asymetry of perceptions of victimhood in males vs females.
/r/MensRights07/09/12 09:35 PM
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Nope. I have been in a number of LTRs and have had no such experiences. All my girlfriends have either been reasonable, or I broke up with them very very early on. Just because many people have a set of experiences does not make them universally true. That said, I empathize with people who have had much more terrible experiences, but our goal should not be to bitch about how all women are harpies or whatever, but to move towards a fair and just society for everyone, where people in generally are…
/r/MensRights07/09/12 09:32 PM
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We dont actually know if he abused his wife or not. If someone says someone else did something, that is hearsay and not very convincing. If someone proclaims THEY did something, that is a very convincing argument of guilt. Actually, a classic strategy for police interogators is to try to get the person to explain why they did something: the law cares little for your justifications, but your admission of guilt will send you straight to jail.
/r/MensRights07/09/12 09:21 PM
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No, you should ALWAYS fight the good fight. Your fight is not with the person you are talking to, but the undecided who are watching thoughtfully at the side. Often, someone might fight you tooth and nail today, and a few months later, be taking your side.
/r/MensRights07/09/12 09:17 PM
6

That is a bad argument. Maybe she was abused. But we created a justice system for that sort of thing (and one that favors women during sentencing at that), and so we break the cycle of vengence and are able to have a civilized society. Would her breaking his shit give him the right to choke her? Absolutely not.
/r/MensRights07/09/12 09:13 PM
27

Logic-ing at women is abusive, dont you know?
/r/MensRights07/09/12 09:10 PM
24

If you just wanna get over AA, the easiest way is to make failure your goal. Try to get rejected as often and brutally as possible. Then you realize in your bones that it is NOT THAT BAD, and you can start just start approaching for the heck of it.
/r/seduction07/09/12 06:44 PM
1

Just because feminists are full of shit in most cases does not mean that systemic oppression cannot exist, even in a "innocent" way. One thing that tends to happen is anytime that there is a significant majority, people will often start spontaneously aligning themselves into a group and excluding the minority. A guy in a girl heavy environment or a girl in a guy heavy environment can end up being harrassed by otherwise normal people. Simple tribalism at work. To counteract this, affirmative acti…
/r/MensRights06/09/12 08:42 PM
1

I live in a small town, not many options.
/r/seduction06/09/12 08:35 PM
1

That came out of left field. Actual facts, I mean. Very surprising!
/r/MensRights06/09/12 09:19 AM
3

that isn't awkward Therin lies the flaw. Anything and everything can be awkward to her, you have no way of knowing. So, just say whatever you want, and make sure that YOU don't feel awkward about it.
/r/seduction06/09/12 08:32 AM
2

Welcome everyone to the time honored tradition we have here in seddit of newbies noticing IAR's name for the first time and pointing it out. Every time. He is truly a genius amongst men.
/r/seduction06/09/12 08:24 AM
2

The upvotes here are... worrying. But it is only natural that the inexperienced are the most common, since people who have graduated these lessons might leave.
/r/seduction06/09/12 08:22 AM
1

The game fits itself to you. You might go off in some weird fake direction for a bit, but the whole point is you learn to take who you are, and go somewhere better with it. Watch Keys to the VIP sometime, and see how different people do game differently. The technique is always similar, but the "feel" and "theme" are their own. Edit: Just don't watch it too much, cause you would do better sarging.
/r/seduction06/09/12 08:18 AM
1

This sounds like a great idea, I was considering doing something like that just yesterday. Now I have to try it.
/r/seduction06/09/12 08:12 AM
7

I was totally pumped to start learning dancing... and then I realized that all the classes cost like 40-60 dollars. I'm a poor, busy student...
/r/seduction06/09/12 07:53 AM
1

I am OK with Affirmative Action, but only as long as it is applied evenly, and is working to reduce inequity. The problem is, it tends to stay in place even after minorities are overrepresented, and people come up with all kinds of bullshit about how X or Y minority should be excluded. The school system favors women now. We should work to develop better teaching methods to help the boys keep up. We don't need to "fix" inequality of outcome in workplaces where certain groups are underrepresented …
/r/MensRights06/09/12 07:50 AM
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That was very motivational actually. Thank you.
/r/MensRights06/09/12 07:37 AM
3

Manliness comes from within Right, got it. I will follow your instructions to disregard everything else you said, because manliness does indeed come from within, not from people trying to shame others into behaving. Isn't it boys who allows themselves to be shamed into following arbitrary rules adults state "just because" with no debate allowed?
/r/MensRights06/09/12 07:27 AM
0

Pick up another girl ASAP. Until you are exclusive, you shouldn't be. Cure ONEitis.
/r/seduction05/09/12 12:26 PM
0

Please don't tell them what is right and wrong. Teach them to be skeptical and figure it out for themselves. Give them the tools to overthrow our misconceptions. The next generation deserves it.
/r/MensRights05/09/12 11:06 AM
3

My friend was guilt tripped with suicide while drunk with a girl he had expressly rejected into sex. It disturbed him deeply. But it got worse. When he shared the story with a girl who he was in a very close relationship with some years later, it turned out that he had been 18 and the girl threatening him 17. His current relationship kicked him out, calling HIM a rapist, and continues to send him messages reminding him what a scumbag he is. The worst part is, he accepts her narrative at some lev…
/r/MensRights05/09/12 10:09 AM
4

Already have this shit. Most of the stories are feel-good (feel-bad?) examples of women doing annoying shit, and extremists saying silly things and not listening to reason.
/r/MensRights05/09/12 10:02 AM
1

/r/fitness? /r/seduction? /r/dontgiveafuck? /r/foreveralone?
/r/MensRights05/09/12 09:59 AM
4

Don't think of it as relapsing. Your frame used to be AFC, but then you shifted to PUA. If you ever shift back towards AFC, you can just do it again. You control yourself, you control your frame.
/r/seduction05/09/12 09:36 AM
2

We pretend, but we really don't know very well. You see, the seductive arts for women are built rather differently then those for men. As a guy, we teach attractiveness by demonstrating value, being assertive, and so on, as we have found these traits to be the most effective with attracting women. Men generally respond differently however. Take comfort, however: you are just entering your sexual peak, and it is very unlikely that guys will find you unattractive. As for having a mediocre time... …
/r/seduction05/09/12 09:22 AM
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Dude, he was fucking assertive, responded quickly, and was most likely able to cast it in a positive, protective light using preexisting rapport. He earned his win. Sometimes you just get outmatched. Not saying the other recommendations would not work, but if he had successfully built up a strong frame as being a responsible, intelligent decision maker, then it is HARD to unseat that frame with just a opener and witty response.
/r/seduction04/09/12 08:36 AM
1

I am not a medical professional, but there is a large range of pathological fears, depressions, and other mood disorders that have possible treatments. Maybe not in your given case, but in general. In my case, I was never a fan of "putting chemicals in my body". I grew up in a naturalistic hippyish household. A number of times, I was told to go for treatment of ADHD by school psychologists and stuff, but my parents protected me, saying I was just a "boy doing boy things", and I managed to compen…
/r/seduction04/09/12 07:09 AM
1

Play to your own strengths. Just be curt and confident. "Hello, my name is Askquestionsbro and I think you look lovely." "Will you dance with me?" No, it does not work as often as "funny" because you cannot cover mistakes as well and other reasons. But the same pickup does not work for EVERYONE. Just do it with a strong enough frame. Heck, if apocalypse openers can work...
/r/seduction03/09/12 10:25 PM
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Dunno, I think that would be a FINE pick up line. Just follow with "hi my name is" and a smile.
/r/seduction03/09/12 10:22 PM
1

I thought it was sluts, due him being a "stripper" later.
/r/seduction03/09/12 10:19 PM
1

Cajun is perfectly happy running his own business.
/r/seduction03/09/12 10:18 PM
2

Frisky radio is an amazing station. Hell, just look at the name. They have great artists assemble custom shows 24/7, the music transitions are all smooth, and it never does anything that would break the mood. Genera: Progressive House, Chillout, Trance, and similar. It is not foreground music, but it is the BEST sexy background music, and always unique. And a number of the songs and artists listed here have shown up over the years I have been listening. And it is free, and legal, but that is jus…
/r/seduction03/09/12 10:15 PM
1

A quote from a particularly... interesting girl I knew "I need to get high on some drugs before the party, so I don't feel bad about sleeping with some random guy." There is a social stigma against sleeping with random guys, for whatever reason, largely perpetuated by women, called "slut shaming". On the other hand, sex with hot dudes is fun and enjoyable (arguably more for women then for men). Thus, girls have a strange contradiction of what they say their goals are, and their actual goals, tho…
/r/seduction03/09/12 10:11 PM
1

The thing is, the right frame can preempt shit tests. Throw in something about how people are too dishonest at bars, and people should just say what they mean, or however you want to phrase it. She agrees. Now, you she can't really shit test you with any lies, without having to contradict herself: maintaining a positive view of oneself is a very strong motivating factor behind many actions people take. And, if they START with this you can "just wanna talk with someone", and either get her intere…
/r/seduction03/09/12 10:04 PM
1

She's standing by the bus stop... so I go and talk to her. FTFY Think too long, and your head screws up your frame.
/r/seduction03/09/12 09:57 PM
1

There is a possibility you have a medical condition that could be treated by a psychiatrist or psychologist. I resisted medical advice for years because I thought it would be a weakling way out or would change me somehow. Well, now I have been on Adderall, and it has helped me in EVERY aspect of my life.
/r/seduction03/09/12 09:55 PM
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Eh, or go read Nietzsche. Basically opposite advice, but it works just as well if not better.
/r/seduction03/09/12 09:51 PM
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As meta advice: All the stuff he says is also an illusion. Most things to do with human interactions are illusions; hence the term "wearing a mask" and such. But all of the illusions, the ones in your head and the ones in everyone else's heads, merge to form social reality. The trick is, make your illusion the useful one, that works in your favor, and that everyone else will be willing to go along with.
/r/seduction03/09/12 09:48 PM
1

And add a gallon of milk a day on top of all that for good measure.
/r/seduction03/09/12 09:42 PM
1

Research has shown that emotions are not correlated with outcomes in the long run. Someone who has had a horrible injury and become a paraplegic is just as likely to be happy with life as someone who won the lottery a year later. The cold hard truth is girls wont make you happy. Money wont make you happy. Power wont make you happy. The only thing that can make you happy is you. The rest is just things you do cause it is fun.
/r/seduction03/09/12 09:29 PM
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Off you go to /r/mensrights To be more clear, there are a number of approaches to the differences between men and women in society. One would be to learn the rules and structure to exploit it as optimally as possible: that is /r/seduction. You could also ignore the rules, and do what you want: that would be the philosophy of /r/howtonotgiveafuck and similar. You could try to follow the rules, and go to The Art of Manliness and similar party-line idealism. Or, you could just whine about how unfai…
/r/seduction03/09/12 09:23 PM
2

Cause seduction is supposed to be serious business.
/r/seduction03/09/12 04:49 PM
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This is as bad as rape scaring women. They are staring because you are overweight, yes, but you won't arrested.
/r/MensRights02/09/12 07:04 PM
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This looks like it comes from the most bitter ends of foreveralone. Seriously guys. If you want to make an argument say "I agree with your double standards, here is some places where you could make it easier for guys as well." Not "You are an evil womanz and wrong about everything and guys have it soooooo hard" and a bunch of bullshit about oppression.
/r/MensRights02/09/12 06:18 AM
1

Quick google search shows around 20% incidence rates.
/r/MensRights01/09/12 09:34 PM
5

Classic misconception is that social skills are something inherent. I wasn't very talkative. Then I started talking to people a lot, and eventually I became better at it.
/r/seduction01/09/12 09:33 PM
1

God, Patron is so bad. But I guess it is supposedly "finer" right?
/r/seduction01/09/12 09:07 PM
2

Social proof is not some growth that just happens to some people. You make your own social proof. Talk to everyone, and genuinely try to be friends with the people you find interesting.
/r/seduction01/09/12 08:58 PM
3

There is a strong sense of absolute justice in the USA for some reason. If someone is a "bad person" then they deserve to have bad things happen to them repeatedly, just cause.
/r/MensRights01/09/12 05:55 PM
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Show your numbers please.
/r/MensRights01/09/12 05:52 PM
1

Well played sir. Right at thje edge, where it is hard to tell if you are serious or not. This is why I love /r/swoleacceptance and why I used to frequent /r/pickup.
/r/MensRights01/09/12 05:49 PM
6

Consensual, but below the age of consent. Cause saying "statutory rape" is not PC in this context or something?
/r/MensRights01/09/12 05:40 PM
1

This sounds rather over the top.
/r/MensRights01/09/12 04:41 PM
1

This is a well reasoned reply, well said.
/r/MensRights01/09/12 04:27 PM
1

Reality > justice.
/r/MensRights01/09/12 04:25 PM
1

This goes very deep, it is called the Ben Franklin Effect: http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/10/05/the-benjamin-franklin-effect/
/r/seduction01/09/12 03:04 PM
1

"I think I need to go home and think about my life" "It won't help" It will, but only if you do 90% of the time, and analyze based on the action, not just theory.
/r/seduction31/08/12 08:05 AM
1

I feel the AFC rising within me after having been steady for a few months... that is why I resubed here, and am going on "man nights" with my friends again. I don't plan to be a douche, I just wanna keep my mindset rolling in the right direction.
/r/seduction31/08/12 07:49 AM
2

It is actually BEST to get the things you suspect people might judge you on out of the way fast, so you don't waste time.
/r/seduction31/08/12 07:40 AM
1

My current GF I met at a library, and I seduced her with my epic tales of computer science research and similar "nerdy" topics. The only thing is that YOU can't consider it nerdy: you have to realize that everyone is nerdy about something, but your thing just requires more intelligence. ;)
/r/seduction31/08/12 07:38 AM
1

Yeah, and guess what, the next random sex date will be totally comfortable. Everyone goes back to virgin status after a bit of time out of the game.
/r/seduction31/08/12 06:15 AM
1

I asked a related question quite some time ago: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/mga8u/less_intimidating/ Basically, if you just smile or smirk often, it becomes a habit and you will naturally smile more at the right times. Practice makes perfect.
/r/seduction31/08/12 06:13 AM
1

Will try tomorrow.
/r/seduction31/08/12 04:40 AM
4

Indeed, the majority of people listen to reasonable arguments. MensRights might be vigorously hounded by a vocal minority, but that does not mean that most people would disagree with our arguments; they just have not been presented with them carefully enough. I asked a girl in my class if she thought there was some kind of systematic discrimination holding her back (in her heavily male dominated major) and she responded that (1) sexes are different, and prefer different things, and (2) men, in g…
/r/MensRights30/08/12 02:27 AM
3

Skeptic here: "women were asked" sounds very unofficial. How many man posting as women on a random survey were there, etc?
/r/MensRights30/08/12 01:39 AM
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MRM is a cross cutting movement. It is generally very liberal, but it exists. The thing is, not everyone accepts "ends justify the means" in determining what is moral or not.
/r/MensRights29/08/12 05:59 AM
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I really like this video. This guy has the right idea; any time we make a claim, we should provide evidence. EVERY TIME. It puts us at a different level from most feminists, and even if it is to people who agree, it provides them with resources for them to use in their own arguments.
/r/MensRights28/08/12 06:00 PM
1

It is all practice, almost no talent involved. Just go into it with the mindset of trying and failing a lot until you get better.
/r/seduction28/08/12 09:16 AM
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Dunno, her explanation seems plausible, but in any case, what is different between the situations? In any case, you text, get nothing, and move the fuck on to the next one, right? She can chose to flake for whatever reason she wants, the only problem is if you let it get to you.
/r/seduction28/08/12 09:06 AM
1

It sounds like she was interested before though, so it seems less likely that it was something sexual like that. Hence pissing in the closet is a viable scenario.
/r/MensRights28/08/12 09:00 AM
1

As far as I understand, the theory is girls are scared or feel pressured to not say no, so you have to make the definition of rape wider, rather then having them take responsibility for their actions and inactions at some point like an adult.
/r/MensRights28/08/12 08:36 AM
1

Irrelevant to the double standard. It does not MATTER if the girl wanted it or not, after the fact it could be turned into not-consent, which is the whole point of "always have explicit consent" education.
/r/MensRights28/08/12 08:33 AM
1

Not much to be done from the rights perspective here though. You can always get screwed by a retarded jury.
/r/MensRights28/08/12 08:08 AM
3

Just get down, do the work, and deal with it. Guys are supposed to be tough and it builds character. ... wait which subreddit am I in again?
/r/MensRights28/08/12 07:54 AM
1

Indeed, the problematic side of this comes up when people say that you SHOULDN'T judge based on certain traits, like shaving. They have a right to not shave or eat healthy or whatever, but that does not mean the world revolves around them and everyone has to abandon their sexual preferences to find them attractive; such a position is illogical.
/r/MensRights28/08/12 07:46 AM
1

Also, you don't have to agree on every point to participate in MRM. There are certain views that seem downright silly to me that are very popular around here, but that does not mean the main point is invalid.
/r/MensRights28/08/12 07:19 AM
2

You should like the DoJ report yourself, if you want sources from others. It is good to keep your interesting sources on file, and I would be interested in getting sources like this.
/r/MensRights28/08/12 07:02 AM
3

Oral sex is a subset of sex, but sex is not a subset of oral sex. Its simple upper division math, really.
/r/MensRights28/08/12 06:50 AM
2

That. Is. Amazing. Usually, a girl will consent to a very broad agreement: consent to everything until permission is explicitly denied (in a more sexy way) and you are good to go.
/r/MensRights28/08/12 06:49 AM
3

Its more like many is a weasel word... many can mean "upwards of 50%" (which is obviously bollocks) or "almost 100" which is probably actually too low. Basically, it is a meaningless "true" statement, not exactly a lie.
/r/MensRights28/08/12 06:40 AM
3

Awkward silence is just sexual tention in disguise. This is a good thing, and you should get comfortable just letting eyes and body language do the talking for a while.
/r/seduction28/08/12 01:25 AM
1

That is true, my bad. As long as the public system is unified, private schools can do what they wish.
/r/MensRights27/08/12 06:02 PM
1

Went to go hit on a girl in the library, turned out when I got close she was old, but the girl next to her was cute, so I started chatting. Scored sexy smart cheerleader honors student girlfriend. HAYO!
/r/seduction27/08/12 08:40 AM
2

Problem is that separate but equal has been ruled non-equal.
/r/MensRights27/08/12 07:32 AM
1

This does not seem like a particularly mainstream idea. Strawman?
/r/MensRights27/08/12 07:30 AM
2

Impersonation is also rape. The more general case is "anyone who is able to understand the situation and give consent".
/r/MensRights27/08/12 06:57 AM
1

I really don't see why society should protect people who willingly injest so many drugs that they are unable to make decisions. Being wasted is not an intelligent choice to make: I defend your right to make it, but there is no reason society should coddle your choices afterwards. Why should I protect you from the concequences of a self induced state? I replied to your comment because you mentioned predatory behavior, which I think is very scummy, but shouldn't be punishable. Whatever state someo…
/r/MensRights26/08/12 02:44 AM
1

You don't have to own something to live there. Property is a solution for distribution of resources which allows us to satsify those needs, and it is a very good solution, but as such the concept of "having the right to everything you own to not be taken from you unwillingly" makes little sense... if something is not directly contributing to one of your needs, then there is no reason it should not be used to satisfy more basic needs of another. Obviously, full redistribution inhibits the purpose…
/r/MensRights26/08/12 02:28 AM
2

It might be possible to argue that it has decreased the value of sex, allowing men who wish to an easier time procuring it with lower costs.
/r/MensRights25/08/12 08:58 PM
1

If you dont know what you are up against, you cannot make as strong of a case.
/r/MensRights25/08/12 08:47 PM
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The reason is that with a warrent, it can be not under your control. Edit: It is technologically feasable, however, to make a system that uses public key encryption to encrypt your data, so only you or anyone you give the password can actually read it after.
/r/MensRights25/08/12 08:35 PM
5

the rate of fraud in rape cases remains as low as the rate of fraud in any other criminal allegation – between 2 and 4 per cent This caught my eye. Rebuttals, gentlemen?
/r/MensRights25/08/12 08:32 PM
1

Thank you.
/r/MensRights25/08/12 08:26 PM
3

After long discussions with a libertarian friend of mine, the only core foundational difference between our world views that I was able to find was that he thought property was a right, while my ideas of what rights should be protected could more closely be described by Maslovs Heiarchy of Needs (with some significant adjustments). But I should probably use different terms. And equality of outcome is not the liberal opinion except in extreme circles. The goal is getting closer to equality of opp…
/r/MensRights25/08/12 07:21 PM
9

I wonder how the equivalent article would be taken. "Oh with artificial wombs, men won't need women, except maybe for entertainment."
/r/MensRights25/08/12 06:44 PM
4

Loathing of the music or the man?
/r/MensRights25/08/12 06:41 PM
2

I would say I am very much a liberal. My ideology would be described as something like libertarianism, only I think that the concept of property is absurd, and should not be considered a right, but a tool to achieve the far more important human rights (and discarded if it conflicts with said rights). I really dont see how being an MRA is supposed to be a conservative centric viewpoint. Its not like we want society to go "back to the good ol days" or anything. Mens rights are a cross-cutting conc…
/r/MensRights25/08/12 06:25 PM
3

Fair enough, thank you for these bullets. I disagree with your opinions on universal health care, but I can certainly agree with your points on inequity and it being handled poorly.
/r/MensRights25/08/12 06:06 PM
1

Mens rights is just something that has to be outside politics for the time being. It does not fall clearly into party lines, so we just have to consider it apolitical, and work to increase awareness to the point that passing reforms is the obvious choice for either party.
/r/MensRights25/08/12 05:35 PM
1

I agree on this part. If you want quotas, make quotas for men where there are less men, and women where there are less women. Or better yet, realized that this is voluntary, and that man and women have free will, and we can respect their choices.
/r/MensRights25/08/12 05:32 PM
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Women do indeed have different health needs from men. Which health needs of men did you feel should have been addressed but were not?
/r/MensRights25/08/12 05:29 PM
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Wouldn't birth control be "denying" the future to potential children? Wouldn't rape laws be denying future to children that might be born of it? This argument is insufficient in my mind: a line has to be drawn somewhere, and "within X months of pregnancy, with exceptions for extreme cases" is as good of a place to draw it as any.
/r/MensRights25/08/12 05:27 PM
1

I always reply with the question of why is there so many more female heterosexual prostitutes than male heterosexual prostitutes? Both men and women love sex, so why isn't there a huge demand for heterosexual male prostitutes? This can be explained via different means, such as differing cultural standards, or even biological differences such as wanting careful mate selection being more valuable genetically for girls. If the value of female sex is being artificially inflated for better exchange r…
/r/MensRights25/08/12 10:35 AM
1

I agree. There are women who cannot get safe sexual satisfaction easily just like men: at a minimum, it still requires a degree of confidence and such. Making a statement like AVoiceForMen did is detrimental to the cause, and wholly unneeded to make the point he was making. Even if there is no difference between men and women in terms of ease of obtaining sex, the fact that has been shown in studies is that women are more likely to slut shame and that women peers are more likely then men peers t…
/r/MensRights25/08/12 10:29 AM
1

"Sorry babe, but if you decide for whatever reason later that this consensual sex was actually rape, I can have the rest of my life totally ruined... hey, maybe you should support reform of those laws if you like doing this sorta thing, aye?"
/r/MensRights25/08/12 10:16 AM
1

Is the solution really to "judge" if someone is able to make a choice? That would imply that NO drunken hookups would ever be able to occur again without risk of rape allegations (which is already basically the case). This is NOT desirable for anyone involved expect the particularly prudish. What I don't understand is how people think that being drunk is an excuse. If you get drunk, then you are responsible for having done so, and are responsible, to the full extent of the law, for anything you …
/r/MensRights25/08/12 10:03 AM
4

Generalizations are not a sin, but what if the generalization is not true in a particular specific case? Your statement is false and inaccurate unless you qualify: "Women are offended more easily then men on average" might be true, but "Women are easily offended" is trivially disproven by finding a single counterexample. This might seem like just playing with semantics, but statements like this are what drive people off. No, it isn't any worse then a partial lie as far as sins go. The best strat…
/r/MensRights25/08/12 09:43 AM
4

The problem with stereotyping is that individual variation far outweighs group variation. Just because a group has a higher average occurrence of a trait is not sufficient reason to assume or act as if every person in group has that trait. Most people, I would say, use a mix of emotion, reasoning, habit, and so on to determine what they do and think. Men might be somewhat more likely to rely on reasoning, and women on emotion, but I would prefer to give every person the benefit of the doubt. Jus…
/r/MensRights25/08/12 09:29 AM
3

There will be a second sexual revolution as soon as we come up with cures for every STD.
/r/MensRights24/08/12 04:18 PM
4

This is patently absurd, but what about adult sexual harassment? Is the default "flirting is sexual harassment unless stated otherwise"? Why not "flirting is not sexual harassment unless stated otherwise".
/r/MensRights23/08/12 05:38 PM
2

I just open doors for anyone. If it is a courtesy or convenience worth doing, it is worth doing regardless of gender.
/r/MensRights23/08/12 01:23 AM
2

I take this argument a lot further. People should not be responsible for anyone's actions but their own, but also do not get credit for anyone's actions but their own. Nationalism, sports team fanaticism, and so on are all aspects of the same "group identity fallacy" to some degree.
/r/MensRights22/08/12 09:12 PM
2

When respect for self overpowers basic human empathy, not just empathy for women, but simple empathy for others. For example, outright lying about your intentions to stay with someone (and your name and such) in order to decieve a woman into putting out; this is an unkind thing to and by anyone, male or female, but is rationalized as "in our nature" and "they brought it on themselves with their expectations" and so on. /r/seduction vehemently denies the existance of any negative attitudes toward…
/r/MensRights16/08/12 01:52 AM
1

I saw through the... ugly bits of the PUA community, but was left unsatisfied... clearly, there were some strange, uncomfortable truths lying around there somewhere.
/r/MensRights15/08/12 01:15 PM
1

Renegotiation of the contract: the woman provides the man with sex, and in exchange, the man provides the woman with sex. MINDSHATTERING!
/r/MensRights15/08/12 01:04 PM
1

In terms of drugs of any kind, the person administering them is 100% responsible for what happens to the subject. This means, if you are drunk or wasted, anything you do is your fault. If you give permission while drunk, it is not "the fault of the person who bought you an extra drink". If you do not think you will be able to make judgements well when intoxicated about who to accept drinks from, who to sleep with, etc, you shouldn't be drinking, period.
/r/MensRights15/08/12 12:21 PM
2

This seems like a reasonable hypothesis. To assume that each event is a transgression is the same flawed reasoning that is used from the "other side".
/r/MensRights15/08/12 12:10 PM
2

I basically trot out this video every couple weeks. EDIT: note the video contradicts the common advice of "come from in front". If she is very clearly clocking you in and aware of you, behind is great, just dont randomly start rubbing your crotch on an unaware chick.
/r/seduction25/04/12 03:12 AM
2

This is a brilliant idea, actually, showering sounds like a perfect time to floss, thanks.
/r/seduction25/04/12 02:48 AM
2

I dunno, I haven't heard of anyone going to jail for the apocalypse opener, I am pretty sure the problem is in your head. Actually, the real problem is that your numbers are off. You will get refused way more then nine out of ten times, to the point where you are better off actually trying to build rapport then just trying more times.
/r/seduction20/04/12 02:54 PM
7

The cube works just as much as tarot or any cold reading.
/r/seduction20/04/12 02:16 PM
3

It is about the journey, not the end. Enjoy the journey, ignore the naysayers, but be emotionally ready for it in the case that they are right, if that time comes.
/r/seduction20/04/12 01:50 AM
2

Jerk is like the easiest dance. The music... not my thing. Just do SOME dance. Try to look a bit good. Good enough.
/r/seduction17/04/12 08:34 AM
4

There will be a lot of bad advice here, take everything with a healthy grain of salt. If he thinks you are attractive and is digging you a lot already, just being direct about it may work pretty well (since many guys are obliviously trying to figure out if you like them), but in many cases, it is a little strange.
/r/seduction17/04/12 08:30 AM
22

None of them are judging you (at least not much). They are too busy worrying about how you are judging them.
/r/seduction16/04/12 09:20 PM
2

My biggest problem is 4 on the dance floor. After clocking a woman (eye contact and smiles exchanged) I am unsure of how to proceed. I feel like just waking up and getting personal is a bit weird, as it is not her entering my space, but me entering hers. Is this just a stupid limiting belief I have?
/r/seduction15/04/12 05:15 PM
5

I think it just isn't for everyone.
/r/seduction15/04/12 04:37 PM
1

Psychology is such a soft science that I have real trouble maintaining the sense of disbelief it takes to absorb it sometimes.
/r/seduction12/04/12 07:09 PM
2

"When people have problems, they call me. I... solve... problems."
/r/seduction12/04/12 03:56 PM
1

My current favorite guide thing: http://www.reddit.com/r/pickup/comments/qwyd6/pam_the_approach_101_the_walk_up_pama101_twu/
/r/seduction11/04/12 11:02 PM
2

Any book saying you can sleep less and still be OK is wrong. There is a lot of legitimate research on this front.
/r/seduction11/04/12 10:35 PM
1

I thought this was an ok post but "For those that feel the need to downvote out of spite, whatever makes you feel better buddy." made me feel like downvoting. Have a nice day :)
/r/seduction11/04/12 08:34 PM
2

He mentioned he was prematurely ejecting, so probably not.
/r/seduction10/04/12 03:11 PM
3

Frame is how you actually get the girls, State is just the shortcut to having a stronger frame.
/r/seduction09/04/12 10:29 PM
2

Easy way to identify noobs, right?
/r/seduction08/04/12 11:47 PM
12

Common misconception. Awkwardness is often the same thing as sexual tension, and can be a good thing. The thing is, he probably does not realize this, and like myself before I started figuring shit out, probably thinks that he needs to try to avoid awkward situations. So, building attraction might not be the actuall problem; if he is responsive and foreveralone, and you act normally flirty and nice, then he very well could be very attracted already. Unfortunately, in a misguided attempt to preve…
/r/seduction08/04/12 06:28 PM
7

Baffling? It is dark comedy genius.
/r/seduction08/04/12 08:36 AM
1

Oh there is plenty. But just "discussing methods of seducing women" does not make one insecure or entitled. And this man didn't even do that, he just gave his opinion on handling a particularly thorny scial situation with grace. There are MUCH more clearly ironic posts to be found.
/r/seduction05/04/12 02:40 PM
5

http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-grind-2 You now know how to handle a girl.
/r/seduction03/04/12 02:33 PM
1

I reccomend setting aside a good hour to check out and enjoy the sidebar.
/r/seduction02/04/12 07:37 AM
2

Come to seddit, where godlike-level wisdom is dispensed by people with names like "Deathdick". Probably because of how fucking classy we are.
/r/seduction02/04/12 07:28 AM
2

Ooooorrrrrr she was conveying interest by not walking off right away, not pulling her hand away, and just isn't very good at conveying IOIs, and then was dissapointed that you didn't go further.
/r/seduction02/04/12 07:09 AM
4

No. Why would you ever go talk to a girl? You risk damaging your fragile emotional state, and and for what? Probably just end up making love to a hot woman or something. No, much better to stay in room and feel bad about yourself then go out and risk getting rejected.
/r/seduction31/03/12 06:02 PM
9

Wingshark too strong.
/r/seduction29/03/12 08:06 PM
21

Hint: You might be doing basically everything wrong if this is a sticking point.
/r/seduction29/03/12 07:16 PM
3

Emotional slut: The guy who loves girls way too easily, even if they don't ever do anything to deserve it.
/r/seduction29/03/12 05:32 AM
1

There is no complexity until after you get that part down pat.
/r/seduction29/03/12 05:15 AM
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Upvote for the Bird. <_<
/r/seduction29/03/12 03:28 AM
6

Man, I almost want to post this to womens rights or whatever it is called, just to watch the shitstorm it triggers.
/r/seduction27/03/12 07:03 PM
2

I nod if I know them or have seen them before. I smile if she is a girl and is cute. I break eye contact after a second or two, but longer if I want to. Make sure you make eye contact with cool, confident people and see what they do. In any case, "it is weird" is not really an issue. You just have to get through it and give it a try.
/r/seduction27/03/12 04:36 PM
5

I started doing it in middle school and it changed my life. Looking people in the eye (not neccessarily smiling unless you have something to smile about, that is your choice) is the #1 way to make you look more confident.
/r/seduction27/03/12 07:16 AM
1

Most people get used to overcoming social anxiety with experience, but this not always the case if you have more serious issues. The "just will your self over it" and "its all in your mind" are patent, proven bullshit in many cases. That said, at a rational level, you have to realize that when interacting with strangers, there is nothing you can really lose, except emotionally. One common way of overcoming this is lowering expectations; your goal is not to seduce hot dudes, but instead to get bl…
/r/seduction27/03/12 07:10 AM
5

FRs are acceptable because the the double layer of anonymity (the person behind the report, and the names of the girls themselves are missing). The point is to share and learn from experiences, not brag about which girl you bagged.
/r/seduction26/03/12 08:41 PM
6

A true gentleman is discrete. Edit: Parent was asking for pics
/r/seduction26/03/12 07:46 PM
19

You should watch a movie you would like to watch and will enjoy.
/r/seduction24/03/12 10:37 PM
2

I guess it depends on your priorities, which SHOULD be self-respect. But if you prioritize, say, sleeping with that particular person, then I guess the "work arounds" mentioned work too.
/r/seduction24/03/12 05:59 PM
1

I like this FR because it seems like you and your wing both have pretty effective but differing styles.
/r/seduction24/03/12 04:09 PM
2

There were like 3 articles on /r/science and other subreddits just this week about this. There are a number of studies about this phenomenon.
/r/seduction16/03/12 05:55 PM
6

Shhhhhh, you will let out the big secret. That rejection therapy is just a mind trick to get you to get out there and do it.
/r/seduction16/03/12 04:49 PM
17

Yeah, listen carefully to Im_a_rapist. He knows what he is talking about. But seriously, the way you get over your fears is by facing them, and the way you get over inexperience is by having experience. There is no other way. For many people, the best way to do this is to "try to fail" instead of "trying to succeed". If you just go and start random conversations with people and ask them out, you will likely fail, and that is why you should DO EXACTLY THIS.
/r/seduction16/03/12 03:21 PM
5

More like a bag of marbles.
/r/seduction16/03/12 02:51 PM
5

"But my situation is totally unique and different. Like, she really is special. And I really really like her. And I don't think she would be like that."
/r/seduction14/03/12 03:19 PM
1

You are going too far in the other extreme. Sometimes the pickup is just gaming ourselves into confidence, and irrelevant, but sometimes it is legitimate. You know if your attracted to someone the instant you see them. Before you even talk to them. You mind is already made up. This may be true for you, but it is certainly not true for anyone, and it is not true always. This is a good warning, but you are thinking too much in black and white, when the truth tends to be blurry greys.
/r/seduction14/03/12 03:16 PM
2

You should assume it has nothing to do with you, and tell her as much. Your frame is that she likes you, so her being cold might mean she is having some unrelated personal issue she may or may not want to talk about. Tell her "you seem to be in a bad mood today". If she denies it, you can call her out on it later if she continues to be in a bad mood, and if she tells you about it, it provides good, deep meaningful conversation. And if she really did decide she is not interested in you anymore, t…
/r/seduction13/03/12 06:25 PM
1

Read the sidebar, then start sarging. You will fail a lot, and then you will learn and get better, and then you will succeed a lot. Just remember, the failure of not trying is worse then the failure of trying and failing, because the second moves you forward, lets you learn from your mistakes.
/r/seduction13/03/12 06:15 PM
2

Honestly, I think you should watch this video. Maybe it will give you a useful new perspective. Also, how many women do you approach every day, and try to #-close on? That number should be 1 or higher.
/r/seduction13/03/12 06:09 PM
1

Saying that your entire life will flow out of pickup might be a valid statement, but you are right, it wasn't what he meant.
/r/seduction13/03/12 01:59 PM
2

Oh yeah? Well I kissed her MOM. Uh, wait, shit...
/r/seduction13/03/12 05:54 AM
3

"it i'd just make a fool of myself and she'd quickly lose interest" Man, that sounds like you would have lost absolutely nothing, doesn't it?
/r/seduction13/03/12 05:24 AM
2

Contrary to popular belief, most people do not fall perfectly into either the homosexual or heterosexual camp. There are plenty of people who are "mostly" in one category, but can bend the rules in certain cases.
/r/seduction13/03/12 01:56 AM
2

But clearly out-takes from Yu-Gi-Oh Abridged: The Movie is just as good, right?
/r/seduction12/03/12 09:53 PM
36

ALL THE HOMO!!!
/r/seduction12/03/12 08:05 PM
1

You don't ask: higher chance of her friendzoning you, losing current interest in you, talking herself out of liking you, etc. You ask, she says no: you don't waste any more time on something that would not have happened anyways no matter how long you waited. You ask, she says yes: hot hot sex. "Hi <hername>, we should hang out this weekend."
/r/seduction12/03/12 03:10 AM
4

Theoretically, I have seen 300. In reality, lots of heavy petting while some spartans did some stuff. I think.
/r/seduction12/03/12 01:34 AM
2

It could be your fault for any number of reasons you have found here, but just don't forget that most of the time, it really is just something completely out of your control.
/r/seduction12/03/12 01:15 AM
8

The action starts when you enter the door.
/r/seduction11/03/12 04:50 PM
3

You need to tell us what your current method is. Telling us what you consider yourself good at does not give us information about what you are not so good at.
/r/seduction11/03/12 03:23 PM
5

You say "no homo" afterwords. Warning: might come off as a bro instead.
/r/seduction10/03/12 05:35 PM
5

In the end, actions speak louder then words. You can try to twist it however you want to, but in the end, you either sleep with her or you don't and how you explain has less effect how she explains it to herself anyways.
/r/seduction10/03/12 03:49 PM
4

I find cold reading fascinating, however, I also find, um, rationality and intelligence to be somewhat attractive. Frankly, something like The Cube does not seem like "fun", but it does seem like anyone who takes pseudopsychological BS like this too seriously would be pretty daft.
/r/seduction10/03/12 03:47 PM
1

If you watch the video, what we are talking about is called "rational pessimism". The idea is that you still try, but you set your expectations lower, so that you don't feel the emotion of failure so often. Not absurdly low, but realistically low. I'm not saying it is correct in every case, or even the majority of cases, but it is an argument that is made rarely in our society, and has some level of merit. Worth watching the video at least.
/r/seduction09/03/12 12:55 PM
4

Clearly, you need to have more epiphanies to do better. But seriously, the reason this is a good joke is not because it applies to a small number of people, but it applies to basically anyone who is introspective enough, because unless you are particularly pessimistic, some of your expectations will be higher then your outcomes. I guess you could try pessimism?
/r/seduction09/03/12 09:31 AM
2

I doubt you will like what we have to say, but it is like this. It sounds like you asked if she wanted to be in a relationship, and she refused for some reason. Her excuse is a common goto "let him down easy" response. In any case, she probably does not see you in a sexual way for whatever reason.
/r/seduction05/03/12 08:49 AM
1

It is also completely wrong. Unfortunately, when it comes down to it, motivation comes from within. Find it.
/r/seduction04/03/12 06:07 PM
1

Ok then. I guess because your personality is stuck the way it is you can never ever do anything about it. Looks like you will be stuck forever doing nothing, because you don't know how to do it now. I guess thats cool too.
/r/seduction04/03/12 04:19 PM
1

It makes you get used to it. When rejection is just the goal in a game, it is trivialized, and you realize just how little it matters in the big picture. It only matters if you let... otherwise it is just a matter of trying to get rejected in the most awesome ways possible. Think of it this way... the only difference between the memes "Socially awkward penguin" and "Socially awesome penguin" is that the former worries what others will think of him, and the latter does things to mess with people'…
/r/seduction04/03/12 01:34 PM
1

You should try one of the challenges. My personal favorite is "get rejected by someone once a day".
/r/seduction04/03/12 07:53 AM
4

You WILL get shot down. But what is this "painful" thing you are on about? You know what is painful? Your current state. Come up with the worst possible outcomes and EXPECT them. Its fine! It does not matter what she says, or what she thinks, what matter is that you tried. In almost every case, rejection has nothing to do with you, and is related to other circumstances. You don't get to your goals without confronting your fears. Abandon your comfortableness and risk your "feelings" for tangible …
/r/seduction04/03/12 07:50 AM
2

Did you ever go on an "non-rejection" streak, especially towards the end? If so, how did you deal with it?
/r/seduction29/02/12 10:05 AM
1

Its the only video from this channel that I have actually bookmarked.
/r/seduction21/02/12 03:48 AM
39

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA6GLQWU0FY
/r/seduction21/02/12 12:26 AM
3

Ugly girl (0) + super desperate (10) = 50 hours? Your formula is flawed.
/r/seduction21/02/12 12:22 AM
2

The information is probably not the point. The point is more like the "give $500 to friend and instruct him to give me back $10 for each approach". It is a lot harder to not do something if you put money into it.
/r/seduction20/02/12 11:56 PM
1

Sorry, but that might be a problem, because it sounds a bit... clingy. And creepy. Maybe inner game should be more of a focus? Dunno, if you your goal in dating is to "find someone to marry" you are going to have serious issues talking to people on a more casual level. If you are worried about talking to girls, try something a little different: try talking to guys who you think will have drastically different interests then yourself. Try to #-close (as a friend, of course). Basically, you are ju…
/r/seduction18/02/12 04:23 AM
2

This isn't quite the subreddit for that question, I think. It probably won't matter, and if you have been dating for any decent amount of time he probably wont care at all, but everyone is unique. The "damaged goods" is more like an early warning system that something might be wrong; if you know each other at all, and he knows you are not totally crazy in some way, then it stops mattering I think. Have fun!
/r/seduction18/02/12 03:05 AM
4

So what, maybe she is just a promoter; so you go to a club and dance for a while and hang out with people and ask for the number of a couple girls there.
/r/seduction18/02/12 02:39 AM
3

This is the classic "You like having fun and doing unexpected things, right?" "Yeah, I guess." "Awesome, we should go <insert something>, it will be fun!" "OK". You get someone to agree with you on something, and then they can't refuse without being liars.
/r/seduction13/02/12 05:47 AM
4

I feel like the point of a lot of the good PUA material is not to make your answers less honest, but to make your honesty better. If you internalise some of the standard lessons, then when a girl asks you something uncomfortable, you can answer honestly and awesomely at the same time.
/r/seduction13/02/12 01:15 AM
4

If you think that being "geeky" is lame, then that feeling will resonate, and other people will think so too. But that is the thing... being a computer geek means you are king in the world of the future, and even the world of today. If the girls thinks your useful, commercially desirable interests are unattractive, then she is stupid and you don't want anything to do with her.
/r/seduction25/01/12 09:35 PM
1

Could it be that you just don't like the guy who is telling you pick up stuff, and that taints the message in your eyes? Just cause the sith use the force does not make it inherently evil.
/r/seduction17/01/12 06:33 PM
2

Please tell us exactly what parts up a standard pick up are "evil" and "disrespectful"? Is it walking up to a girl and talking about something? Is touching a girl without her explicit permission wrong for some reason? Is playing a verbal game which she enjoys wrong? Is informing her that you would be available and interested in sex evil? Is it wrong to work out and dress nice? Sure, I can see what the problem is with, say, outright lying about yourself or your intentions, but none of these thing…
/r/seduction17/01/12 06:28 PM
14

I came here to say this. Bad statistics are bad, and the whole thing smells of "trying to prove a point" rather then good science.
/r/seduction16/01/12 04:25 PM
10

Have you seen simple pickup? I'm pretty sure the entire point of their youtube channel is that it does not matter at all.
/r/seduction12/01/12 09:40 PM
1

This subreddit is already very marginal. Don't see the advantage.
/r/seduction12/01/12 06:30 PM
2

The term you are looking for is Escalation. In other words, moving towards the "next" stage up in a relation. If you look up PUA materials, check out escalation, specifically the kino escalation ladder. It might seem cheesy or awkward, but give it a try.
/r/seduction11/01/12 11:37 PM
2

The problem is this: reality is often not how we wish reality was. Unfortunately, reality tends to win against our wishes. Try 100 approaches. Just go and start talking to 100 totally random people you have never met before. Do you feel like an awkward douche when you do it? Yes. Does it work? Yes. Once you learn how to be social the cheesy way, you can adapt your game to be more natural and more the way you want it.
/r/seduction11/01/12 11:21 PM
1

For me, negative motivation never works. Fear of punishment just makes we want to turn to escapism of various kinds. Instead, I go for "potential for awesomeness".
/r/seduction09/01/12 05:04 PM
4

I was more just shaking my head at what she said. Apparently the women didn't choose to have a relationship with him, his seductive ways just forced them too. Wtf.
/r/seduction08/01/12 04:32 AM
19

I laughed. A lot.
/r/seduction07/01/12 10:27 PM
4

You need to define bitch in terms of actual actions taken in specific situation. This is key to understanding what about it you think works. Being a total douchebag does not get girls, but if you don't look deeply, PUAs seem like they are just being douchebags. It is only upon closer analysis that you find what actually works.
/r/seduction03/01/12 07:29 PM
1

Yes, but engineering is always tied back to science. You have to learn how the world works in order to learn the ways you can and cannot modify it. It's like saying "building cars is cool, but I would rather build them without using an engine". Go ahead, be direct. Maybe you can experiment and find a way to make it work, and it probably WILL work for some girls. But most find that filling in the fantasies and desires that girls have first tends to work far far better.
/r/seduction30/12/11 11:55 PM
2

Why can't the world match our ideals instead of us having to deal with reality as it is? Are we still going on about this?
/r/seduction30/12/11 12:55 PM
1

If you fail once or twice to visit the gym or whatever, this is normal. FAILURE IS GOOD. Just try again. Also, the best way to be confident is to pretend to be confident. Take acting classes, observe people, and try to imitate.
/r/seduction28/12/11 08:19 PM
3

I think the point of this is to be more honest with your self. However, I am a realist: if someone shows numerical evidence that this works, I will do it, but PURE honesty has been problematic in the past, and has many reasonable reasons it would fail.
/r/seduction28/12/11 11:06 AM
14

Don't listen to the haters. Dancing happens to be fun. I really like studying the European club styles. Just go on youtube, look up videos, emulate, and practice a little. Does not have to be perfect, it will still be head and shoulders above everyone else. Tecktonik and Jerk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN6XYa9oegc Melborne shuffle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPaMdxC6CQI Jumpstyle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4bX5LyC6vw And of course, lots of stuff that is a fusion of styles, like th…
/r/seduction22/12/11 05:36 PM
3

You become what you pretend to be. If you act in a confident manner, you become more confident. As in you ACTUALLY change into a more honestly confident person. Just by faking it for a while.
/r/seduction17/12/11 08:55 AM
7

Sometimes girls and relationships can just happen to you, without you EVER taking the initiative, and just nodding your way along bewildered. This sort of thing happens more then many people think.
/r/seduction17/12/11 08:36 AM
1

I can't even get my work done, or hold to a basic commitment like working out. Dealing with girls requires more effort and time.
/r/seduction06/12/11 01:11 AM
1

Oops, I have been "extended blinking" when I see people to avoid looking away, often ones I view favorably. Thanks for the lessons.
/r/seduction04/12/11 11:13 AM
0

I just did this today, but erm, dunno, this time I had an excuse: I spent the whole time just rocking out to Rob Swift with my friend. I had an adventure DDriving 60mph through a snow storm so my friend could get his record to autograph. Basically I had fun. But I know, I know, next time I will sarge and shit. Still pretty happy.
/r/seduction03/12/11 09:19 AM
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