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| 3 | Getting a job in sales, being paid commission. I need some reading material on influence.Personally, I didn't like "How to Win Friends & Influence People" much. It got me too much in my head trying to follow a bunch of little rules. | /r/seduction | 31/07/13 05:26 AM |
| 5 | Models by Mark Manson is blowing my fucking mindApparently this guy is running the exact same form of direct game as I am. It fucking works -- happy to see such a spot-on summary of the book. | /r/seduction | 31/07/13 05:22 AM |
| 1 | How much success is possible before it's necessary to tackle negative beliefs?If you don't mind sharing, what are some of your negative self beliefs? I've had a fair amount of experience in this area, as I'm sure many of us have being humans. All through high school and into college I had a full on phobia of public speaking. I would basically have mini panic attack meltdowns speaking in front of just about anyone; this ultimately boiled down to deep seated negative beliefs. Five years ago, after dropping out of my college speech class, I decided I would face the fear head… | /r/seduction | 26/07/13 05:29 AM |
| 4 | Body Language Question: Stiffness in Standing Straight?There was a time when I tried to follow countless little rules of acting confident, one of those being perfect posture. It only served to make me constantly evaluate myself and ultimately stress me out. I recommend not constantly self monitoring yourself in this fashion: you will drive yourself slowly insane. What worked for me was not focusing on being confident one bit, simply approaching many, many girls (direct game during the day for me, but to each his own). When you approach a ton of girl… | /r/seduction | 20/07/13 03:20 PM |
| 1 | Can't get over my crippling AA.I was terrified when I first started approaching. As I've said many times in the forums, my main motivation was to get over some social anxiety. What is holding from back from approaching, say, 10 girls tmrw afternoon? If you're in California, I'd be down to give you a day game lesson out in the field some time. | /r/seduction | 20/07/13 06:00 AM |
| 1 | Can't get over my crippling AA.I'm 27. I have a fair amount, but I met an amazing woman (while day gaming haha) about 1.5 years ago and haven't done a single approach since I made it official with her. The truth is, if you have the right attitude and do a few other things (great style and a few basic lines), you can get really good in a matter of days. You just gotta go out and approach, approach, approach it while following a few basic rules. | /r/seduction | 19/07/13 11:51 PM |
| 1 | Can't get over my crippling AA.No, or very rarely. I can only recall a few times when I approached a girl that was in a large group. Friends are just another obstacle/potential cockblock between you and the girl you want to meet. I prefer approaching one-on-one- a single set/girl during the day time. | /r/seduction | 16/06/13 03:04 AM |
| 1 | Can't get over my crippling AA.agreed. I spent years reading forums and PUA books and all the silly little routines but had very little success. When I switched to direct game, everything changed. My success skyrocketed. The above 'how to' works so well due to what I call the "Prince Charming Effect." Every girl fantasizes about a mysterious, well-dressed, charming man chasing her down and pursuing her. The problem is, there are basically no/very few guys who do that anymore. When you do the above, you're living out one of he… | /r/seduction | 15/06/13 09:28 PM |
| 1 | Can't get over my crippling AA.Run/walk up to a girl you want to meet: state your intentions. "You look stunning in that dress, I had to come introduce myself. I'm mileshigh." Another variation on this that I have found extremely effective is adding some humility/vulnerability in there so she doesn't think you're a *total player: "You look stunning in that dress. I'm about to have a heart attack, but I had to come introduce myself or I'd regret it all day. I'm mileshigh" Shake her hand to show some manners and class, plus it … | /r/seduction | 15/06/13 04:31 AM |
| 2 | Is starting the hardest part?Go out alone. I recommend going with Direct game. It is slightly terrifying, but you'll get over your AA fast. Yes, you can approach pretty much everywhere. There were times last year I was running up to 10+ girls in an afternoon: "Excuse me! This is totally crazy, but you are ridiculously cute and I had to meet you. I'm mileshigh." When I first started, I quite literally was near having panic attacks. But after doing direct opens regularly, it became no big deal. | /r/seduction | 13/06/13 04:15 AM |
| 2 | Seddit, what's your best pickup/story/experience ever?I was walking past a Starbucks and saw a super hot blond reading a book next to a huge window. I typed out on my phone, walked up to the window, and held my phone up to her: "Hey, you are ridiculously cute! I had to come say hi... What are you reading?" We followed with a conversation on our phones. I number closed, took her out a few days later, and k-closed her. That was fun. Another - how I met my girlfriend: I was walking in the middle of a downtown park and past by a cute girl with strawber… | /r/seduction | 13/06/13 04:09 AM |
| 1 | What to do when one close watches you # close?"I go after what I want." That's all you have to say. I highly recommend keeping your targets and girlfriends separate (unless a threesome is on the table) as jealousy definitely does happen. | /r/seduction | 13/06/13 04:05 AM |
| 1 | Can't get over my crippling AA.Basically this. Not hiding your intentions - being bold and going after what you want- is extremely attractive to women. And the "You are absolutely gorgeous, I had to come talk to you" is more or less word-for-word what I open with. It works like a charm. | /r/seduction | 11/06/13 01:45 AM |
| 1 | Can't get over my crippling AA.I started game to help me get over crippling social anxiety. Within a few months of throwing myself into direct game, I went from being panic-attack terrified of approaching, to literally running up to the hottest girls in town to introduce myself. I got pretty damn good too with about an 80% number close rate for each approach. Try this: 1 - Your new goal in game isn't to be successful with women. It's to be completely and utterly comfortable with getting rejected. Next time you're afraid to ap… | /r/seduction | 10/06/13 04:15 AM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]Your story sounds similiar to mine. Last year, I went on a crusade to get over AA. I was going out nearly daily running up to girls and introducing myself. Once the AA didn't affect me much anymore, I just kept approaching and trying to up my number close rate. I'd say I got up to around 80% number close on every approach. My take: just work on your number close rate now. | /r/seduction | 10/06/13 04:07 AM |
| 1 | Anyone in Santa Barbara want to go out sarging this Thursday night?San Luis Obispo, about an hour north of Santa Barbara. | /r/seduction | 30/05/13 04:03 AM |
| 1 | So. How DO you get confidence?I spent the last 5 years getting over and ultimately mastering what were once panic-attack inducing phobias: public speaking and girls. What I found is you must do the thing you fear most over and over and over again. I spent the last five years in Toastmasters, and today I'm one hell of a public speaker. I was the MC at a wedding a few weeks and and it went truly stunning. That's because I've continually pushed myself to speak in public over these last five years. I'm no longer afraid of it. I … | /r/seduction | 29/05/13 04:04 AM |
| 1 | Anyone in Santa Barbara want to go out sarging this Thursday night?Hit me up if you find yourself in SLO. | /r/seduction | 29/05/13 03:54 AM |
| 1 | Getting over AA, having trouble engaging, or getting them to engage meHow are you opening these girls? Last year, I switched to all direct game 100% and my success rate skyrocketed 1000%. I was literally running up to just about every hot girl I saw when I was in public, telling them they looked cute and I had to meet them, and having a brief conversation. I actually started doing this to get over AA, and I found it worked way better than anything I'd ever tried. I highly recommend it. | /r/seduction | 29/05/13 03:53 AM |
| 2 | I consider myself a rational, humble, down-to-earth, realistic man. How do I get delusional confidence?As YetzirahToAhssiah stated, you get that from being emotionally independent. You get this way by not giving a shit about rejection. Every time you approach a women, make it your goal to be completely and utterly comfortable with rejection. I'm not saying go into the set *trying to get rejected. But that becoming ok with rejection should be your main goal. If you get rejected, you can congratulate yourself and notice how it doesn't hurt that bad. And if you get a number: bonus. When you stop car… | /r/seduction | 29/05/13 03:49 AM |
| 2 | I've been dating a girl for a bit now but how do I not seem needy and fuck this up?Neediness is directly correlated to how many other options you have in the works. If you have 10 other hot girls that you could hang out with at any given time, your neediness with this particular girl would be close to 0. At that point, you have complete emotional free will. And that's a beautiful thing. | /r/seduction | 29/05/13 03:46 AM |
| 1 | Is there a good way to approach moving targets?That would work fine. It really doesn't matter what you say as long as you accomplish two things: Girls want a story: this means girls want to meet a guy under exciting circumstances. They want a story to tell their girlfriends. So running up to them and saying, "You're cute, I HAVE to meet you!" does this. I remember once I saw a gorgeous blonde sitting in starbucks. I typed a message out on my phone and held it up to the window for her to read. We had a conversation that way, holding our phone… | /r/seduction | 07/05/13 09:18 PM |
| 1 | Is there a good way to approach moving targets?It's true that this can startle her coming from behind, but it's not that big of a deal. I do it all the time and it still works fine. I'm not saying that you should always approach from behind, but some times it's the most convenient way to go about it. Getting in front of her is best, I've found, as you noted. One thing that works really well is walking past her, making fleeting eye contact as she walks by, and then jogging back to her a few seconds later. You're still jogging up to her from b… | /r/seduction | 07/05/13 05:12 PM |
| 1 | A Message on Introverts and PickupDelivered. Also, last year I left a comment on some /r/askreddit thread asking how to talk to girls without being a creep. The comment got little attention, but it has the basics for world class direct game within it. Take a look if you like: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/r6j0l/if_you_see_an_attractiveinteresting_human_being/c43fhkx | /r/seduction | 07/05/13 12:41 AM |
| 2 | A Message on Introverts and PickupWow, you're story sounds basically exactly like mine! I felt faulty for so many years. Living out as my authentic self has made life much more enjoyable, and my success with women is much better too. | /r/seduction | 06/05/13 10:31 PM |
| 1 | A Message on Introverts and Pickup[Introversion] is just an excuse for shy people feel superior and like shyness is part of who they genetically are. It isn't Maybe not 'shyness,' but studies indicate introversion is a part of a person's genetic and physiological makeup. Paraphrasing from the book "Quiet" by Susan Cain. I've trimmed an entire chapter down to a few paragraphs, so a lot of detail is missing: "One such scientist is an eighty-two-year-old man name Jerome Kagan, one of the great developmental psychologist of the twen… | /r/seduction | 06/05/13 09:17 PM |
| 3 | A Message on Introverts and PickupForcing myself to go to bars DID result in me opening sets, but it wasn't enjoyable. I found myself drained after a short period of time. I'm all for challenging yourself; I would say if you're called to challenge yourself and interact at bars and clubs, go for it. I tried it, didn't like it much, so I tend to avoid it. For me, I stopped doing indirect game at bars and clubs and started doing direct game on the sidewalks during the daytime. This allowed me to open single sets and talk one-on-one… | /r/seduction | 06/05/13 08:48 PM |
| 1 | A Message on Introverts and PickupI get the same feeling from the pickup community; that the "frat party boy" or the super dominant, aggressive male is the ideal. I tried that for years and it was putting on an act that wasn't enjoyable or successful. | /r/seduction | 06/05/13 08:43 PM |
| 1 | A Message on Introverts and PickupThe "wherever the hell I am comfortable" game is great input. | /r/seduction | 06/05/13 08:17 PM |
| 2 | A Message on Introverts and PickupI can only speak for myself, but I have found that what you described-- day game and one-on-one interactions-- are exactly what has worked for me. For about two years I practiced indirect game at clubs and bars and it was hell! Not only that, but my success was terrible. When I started doing lots of opens during the day time-- all direct opens-- my success rate sky rocketed. I would often open 10 girls in an outing, walking away with maybe 8 numbers, leading to about 4 dates. My advice: consider… | /r/seduction | 06/05/13 08:16 PM |
| 2 | A Message on Introverts and PickupGreat point. I think most people automatically pair introversion with social anxiety when that's not always the case. | /r/seduction | 06/05/13 08:12 PM |
| 2 | A Message on Introverts and PickupAbsolutely. Using a label to excuse yourself from challenge and self growth leads to nowhere. But there's nothing wrong with using a word to describe a general preference for things. And even if you do have a preference toward low-stimulation activity: if you want to be good with girls, you'd better learn how to use it to your advantage, because you're going to have to talk to lots and LOTS of girls to get good with them. | /r/seduction | 06/05/13 08:11 PM |
| 2 | A Message on Introverts and PickupYou nailed it regarding the venue. That's the main change and realization that has worked for me. Bars and clubs seem so superficial to me. That's about the last place I'd want to meet a girl, but that's just me. | /r/seduction | 06/05/13 07:58 PM |
| 7 | A Message on Introverts and PickupIt was 11pm last night and I was considering writing up a more details post-- I went with the "fuck it" route and put the main points. Maybe the answers to your questions will fill in a few blanks: How has being introverted helped you pickup women? As I mentioned, I find large groups of people pretty exhausting, but I do really well one-on-one. I find one-on-one interactions deeper and more meaningful, and I enjoy them a lot. This is one aspect that has been great when picking up women: I run al… | /r/seduction | 06/05/13 07:56 PM |
| 3 | Is there a good way to approach moving targets?Agreed, initiating kino on a girl you don't know is a risky move that she may interpret the wrong way. Try this, which I did on literally hundreds of girls last year: just start chasing 'em down, and as you get closer, project your voice and say "Excuse me!" She turns around, BAM, you just opened her. It may sound unnatural, but really, it is THAT simple. What is your style of pickup? For instance, what would you open the lady with? | /r/seduction | 06/05/13 08:42 AM |
| 1 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactYou have some excellent points, and I agree wholeheartedly that being "relaxed and comfortable" all the time is not a valid answer to many. I'm certainly not a great deal of the time. I just recall a few years ago when I set out on a mission to improve eye contact and found it made most interactions feel awkward. My take is, work at it, but don't take it too far. | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 03:02 PM |
| 3 | Questions on religious differencesI'm not religious at all, but my girlfriend's Mormon. Sounds like a terrible match, but we're very happy together. Cross that bridge when you come to it, and when you do, just make it a casual conversation. | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 05:15 AM |
| 1 | Here's a graph showing why you shouldn't waste time figuring out if it's a shit testThis sounds... exactly like something I would write lol. | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 05:13 AM |
| 1 | Here's a graph showing why you shouldn't waste time figuring out if it's a shit testShit tests are total bullshit. They're like the unicorns of seduction that everyone focuses on incessantly but has about .0005% to do with game. Just be assertive, speak your mind, and go after what you want. | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 05:12 AM |
| 0 | Getting over AA, a Comprehensive GuideLook at each approach as an exercise toward being ok with rejection. When you don't care whether the interaction results in a phone number or a rejection, you have found The Way. | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 05:10 AM |
| 2 | Nervousness in pick upWhen I first started game, I would get ridiculously nervous and panicky around girls. I got into game to help me get over social anxiety, so you can imagine what it was like when I went on the few dates I could scrounge up. When I started getting good at direct game and going on dates with new girls frequently, I stopped caring whether I lost one at the wayside. Another fruitful discovery: I stopped giving a fuck altogether and stopped feeling anxious on the dates. The answer to your question si… | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 05:09 AM |
| -2 | College FR: "Hey, could you watch my things for a minute? I'll be right back."My take after practicing indirect game for about three years: it's largely ineffective and a waste of time. Try direct game. I seriously had better results in one day of direct game (once I got good) than in about three years of indirect game. It's kind of sad really lol. | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 04:58 AM |
| 1 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactThe whole eye contact thing is way over rated. I seriously got a neurosis consciously trying to maintain eye contact so much when I was actively trying to do it all the time. Far better to just be relaxed and comfortable and then let the eye contact flow from that. | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 04:56 AM |
| 1 | Save yourself from reading a book. My method.Thanks, it took a whole lot of rejections to refine ;) Hope you can use it in your game. | /r/seduction | 25/06/12 06:48 AM |
| 1 | Save yourself from reading a book. My method.My body language is very direct which is congruent with the direct open. However, I will note that while I'm direct, I deliver it with a certain humility and smile. Think Will Smith in Hitch. Don't overanalyze the eye contact. You want to keep solid eye contact, but you don't want to overdo it. The best way is to learn organically by approaching lots and lots and LOTS of women. | /r/seduction | 24/06/12 06:11 PM |
| 1 | Save yourself from reading a book. My method.True true. You must have a very strong frame. After you get a few rejections out of the way, you feel practically invincible. | /r/seduction | 24/06/12 06:07 PM |
| 2 | Save yourself from reading a book. My method.If you don't have a problem pulling her on dates, it doesn't sound like too big of a deal. With my style of game, keeping a level of mystery and intrigue is vital. After I number close the girl, she's thinking: "Wow, I just met a well dressed, smart, articulate guy that had the balls to come up to me. What other secrets does he possess?!" If you are short with the texts, you're keeping this intrique up. Plus people generally want what retreats from them. Staying concise with texts is the way to … | /r/seduction | 24/06/12 06:05 PM |
| 8 | Save yourself from reading a book. My method."not looking for cumdumpsters" lol. I've always been attracted to the girl next door type too. I like smart, cute, generally more reserved girls. I also only approach ones that I'm genuinely attracted to because, as you wrote, girls can smell insincerity from a mile away. | /r/seduction | 24/06/12 06:01 PM |
| 4 | Save yourself from reading a book. My method.San Luis Obispo on the Central Coast of California. It's a college town so there's tons of targets=awesome. I've been in a relationship the last three months tho (met her day gaming!), so chasing skirt is currently not an option. But I like thinking and talking about it. | /r/seduction | 24/06/12 06:45 AM |
| 10 | Save yourself from reading a book. My method.The above method is highly geared toward day game. I've tried running direct game at clubs many a time, and it's vastly, incredibly less effective than sidewalk day game. Also, many beautiful women, at least where I live, have NEVER been opened in the direct, confident manner described. It's one thing to say "You're beautiful" and another to look fly as fuck, walk up to a gorgeous girl, give her a sincere compliment, and then introduce yourself. That takes balls, and it's definitely not the norm… | /r/seduction | 24/06/12 05:56 AM |
| 2 | When do you stop dating other women?If you want to date other women, do it. I was recently dating/fucking three girls regularly. They all knew about each other, and they were all cool with it. One of the girls was the sweetest, purest girl you can imagine (and very religious, I might add). One night, she curls up next to me, looks my in the eyes, and says: "Are you dating other girls?" I didn't hesitate saying, "Yes, I am." She wasn't thrilled to hear that, but as long as you're providing her value, excitement, and fun, she's very… | /r/seduction | 15/05/12 12:35 AM |
| 2 | I suck at asking girls over. Help?Here's what I do, high success rate. Date #1 is a casual, grab-some-tea-and-walk-around-town affair. If the kino and chemistry is going good, go for the kiss. Date #2, only girls that are attracted and had a good Date #1 will take you up on this. "You. Me. Planet Earth jammy marathon. My place." or "I'm going to watch [awesome movie] tonight. You should join me." And then, a few minutes later: "Some cuddling skills required." | /r/seduction | 08/05/12 03:35 AM |
| 2 | Any good podcasts?Pickup Podcast. Check out #36 with David Wygant. Good shit. | /r/seduction | 27/04/12 03:22 AM |
| 5 | Some texting tips compiled after 100 sets of number closing.I use them sparingly. I think underusing them is better than overusing them. | /r/seduction | 27/04/12 03:20 AM |
| 9 | Some texting tips compiled after 100 sets of number closing.Some good content that loosely follow pretty much exactly what I do. There were a few points that used the word "ALWAYS" as if it's a requirement to being successful at text game. Keep in mind, seduction is an art and this is just one successful way to run text game. I'll often text girls two days after I meet them and find it's often more effective than texting the next day. I also agree that texting right after the number close is a good move, but sending just about anything witty and listing … | /r/seduction | 27/04/12 01:07 AM |
| 9 | From Text to Sex - Escalating to DTF via Text GameYou have some awesome teasing and attraction building going on, but in my experience, there is a much more "efficient" way of getting the girl out and escalating to an f-close. Here's one txt example: "You. Me. Tea. 7:30. / Txt 1 for ABSOLUTELY! or 2 for OMGYES!!" Bam. Get the girl out, escalate IN PERSON, and close. I spent years in long text conversations teasing girls while building attraction, but I've found that these short, dominant, funny texts work wonders. Besides, more often than not, … | /r/seduction | 23/04/12 04:39 AM |
| 1 | Compiling a sexy soundtrack. Input appreciated.Bon Iver. Google: "Rainy day + godot." | /r/seduction | 15/04/12 06:56 AM |
| 2 | What is your favorite cologne?Gucci Pour Homme II for office, fall and winter... and just about every season. The stuff is awesome. Burberry London for Fall and Winter. Versace Fraiche for Spring and Summer. | /r/seduction | 15/04/12 04:22 AM |
| 19 | Movies like "The Notebook" have brainwashed men, ruining our success with women. Look at this example.I disagree to an extent: in "The Notebook," Ryan was super direct and confident in getting her to go out with him. This isn't beta at all. The same attitude pulls me numbers all the time: going after what you want and not give a fuck about it. | /r/seduction | 12/04/12 11:43 PM |
| 9 | Simple trick to give your wingman some confidence when in fieldI could definitely see this working. Good tip. | /r/seduction | 08/04/12 09:18 PM |
| 2 | How to get rid of anxiety over embarrassing experiences in the past?This is some excellent input. CBT is awesome, but going out and destroying fears and reconditioning your thoughts through success is extremely effective. | /r/seduction | 07/04/12 06:35 PM |
| 4 | How to get rid of anxiety over embarrassing experiences in the past?The root cause of your anxiety is your thoughts. That is the only place the issue is going to be resolved. That would require "reprogramming" your thoughts from negative, unrealistic thoughts to positive ones. What I'm referring to is a leading branch of psychotherapy. It's called Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, or CBT for short. If you go on Amazon and look up "David Burns," you'll find some very helpful books on CBT. If you start CBT therapy on your own using one of Burns books, it will very lik… | /r/seduction | 07/04/12 04:24 PM |
| 3 | What are some things I should do on a getting to know you type coffee date to escalate?Whatever YOU would have fun doing. Pretty much when you're having fun, she's gunna have fun. I live in a medium sized town, but here's a few places I bounce to: Yogurt Tea Show her awesome back patio of a local cafe Walk downtown, visit Sephora. Try on colognes and perfumes. Walk through the local park. Where I live, there's an awesome little brick walkway down by a creek that runs through downtown. Great place for a k-close. Art galleries Basically anything If you live in a larger city, you'd h… | /r/seduction | 03/04/12 03:13 AM |
| 16 | What are some things I should do on a getting to know you type coffee date to escalate?Don't do coffee dates. Most boring date EVAR. Go for a walk and explore some of the local sights downtown. I usually have about 5 places that I want to visit and show the girl, and we grab some hot tea and visit each place within walking distance. It's also great for escalation: as you're walking, you can touch her arm, her back, and if she's receptive, go for the kiss close at one of the spots you picked out. Date #2, invite her to watch "Planet Earth" or some similiarly interesting show at you… | /r/seduction | 02/04/12 06:53 AM |
| 3 | You want to get over your fear of rejections? Try this little experiment:OP, have you done this? I can go up to 10 girls in a day and direct open with little AA, but this is something I would probably never do. Why not get over rejection by getting rejected by 20 direct opens? Why not go say "hello" to 20 people on the sidewalk? | /r/seduction | 30/03/12 03:10 PM |
| 1 | Never happened to me before...need adviceThat's gold, man. Using this. | /r/seduction | 29/03/12 03:15 PM |
| 1 | Never happened to me before...need adviceDon't get one-itus: keep pulling numbers in the field and online. When she rejected your k-close (which happens to me fairly frequently, it's all part of the game), you should have been non-reactive, smiled, and just played it off like no big deal. Rather than DLVing yourself by asking her if she was trying to ditch you, always be supporting yourself. You're a mother fucking CHAMP, and you know it. I would have said something like, "No worries ;) I tripped, ok. I tripped!" in a totally joking ma… | /r/seduction | 29/03/12 06:28 AM |
| 1 | Direct game and less than pretty girlsI run into this all the time. Direct game is pretty much all I run, and lately I've been finding it's fucking HARD to find girls that are HB8+ in my town. So I've been toning it down: "Excuse me, you are super cute, I had to come meet you, I'm mileshigh_23" Hey, I love your style and had to come see what you're like. I'm mileshigh_23" | /r/seduction | 28/03/12 07:03 AM |
| 2 | Anyone else having problems approaching in the day, because they don't know if the girl(s) are around the same age as you?No way, man. You have to take risks to get ahead. So what if you go talk to a high schooler by accident. It's only talking and nothing more. | /r/seduction | 28/03/12 06:39 AM |
| 3 | Anyone else having problems approaching in the day, because they don't know if the girl(s) are around the same age as you?This happens to me pretty frequently. Most girls I gravitate toward are usually 19-23, and at that age, it's hard to gauge the age. Last week, I direct opened a high schooler by accident lol. It doesn't happen often, but if it does, it's a simple fix: "Oh, I thought you were older. It was nice meeting you, have a good night." Bam, that's it. | /r/seduction | 28/03/12 01:05 AM |
| 1 | Got my first number; How to handle it next.That line gets me 99% of all my dates. Works like a charm :) | /r/seduction | 27/03/12 12:14 AM |
| 6 | Got my first number; How to handle it next.Some good points thus far. Use texts to mainly get her to hang out IN PERSON. When attempting to do this, use statements not questions. I like texting best, but calling is fine: "You. Me. Tea. 9:30. Si? Txt 1 for HELLYES! or 2 for ABSOLUTELY!!" "Hey trouble, I'm grabbing some frozen yogurt around 8:30pm. Come with me" | /r/seduction | 26/03/12 02:59 PM |
| 1 | So I have the opportunity to watch a movie alone with a girl. What do I watch?Spartacus (HBO series) has served me well. Planet Earth series too. | /r/seduction | 25/03/12 07:23 AM |
| 3 | Can we get a thread on bringing girls back to your place?My game might be a little different as I run almost entirely direct day game. I find in that arena, girls are pretty much always down to bounce to your place AS LONG AS you've had a not-at-your-apartment-date first. 1st interaction: Number close 2nd interaction: Standard date: frozen yogurt, hot tea, something badass around the town. 3rd interaction: "Hey there, I'm watching an episode of Planet Earth tonight. JOIN ME. Txt 1 for YESSS! or 2 for ABSOLUTELY!!" BAM, if you've laid out any reasonabl… | /r/seduction | 25/03/12 07:17 AM |
| 1 | Sticking Point: Getting DatesOr you could send a text directly after: "Get home safe- mileshigh_23." Solidified connection and your name. Yes, this is field tested about 20 times a week. It works. Testing, imo, is just as or more effective than calling. | /r/seduction | 24/03/12 06:05 AM |
| 7 | Breaking out of armchair modeTwo things: Your new PUA master goal is no longer to be good with women. It's to be completely and utterly comfortable with getting rejected. Learning will organically follow. Courage. | /r/seduction | 24/03/12 06:02 AM |
| 1 | How to spin not having a facebook?Facebook?! I have one but hardly ever on there. In any case, my profile is private so a girl wouldn't be able to see it. Trust me, this is a non-issue. | /r/seduction | 24/03/12 12:10 AM |
| 1 | Use Your Cell Phone As Wingman If You Are Nervous About Going Out Alone | Good Looking LoserI use my cell phone ALL THE TIME when doing direct, day game approaches. It's also a great way to scope out a target, because strangely, when you're on the phone having a conversation with someone else (or pretending so you can scope out said target haha), society lets your gaze wander in every which direction with no judgement. It's pretty awesome. | /r/seduction | 23/03/12 03:06 PM |
| 4 | Question: Why is it generally discouraged by Seddit to tell a girl that your into her?Well said. When it's from a place of neediness, it's an attraction killer. | /r/seduction | 20/03/12 07:27 AM |
| 1 | I have no friends. How to I go about finding a girl?I go sarging almost daily ALONE. I have like, two solid friends which I hand out with a couple times a week. You don't need a ton of friends to be good with women. | /r/seduction | 20/03/12 02:47 AM |
| 1 | How to respond to a pulling away from a kissYou make a really good point here which I did NOT have in mind when I replied to your comment. Reading IOIs is an effective way to minimize the possibility of rejection. I had two K-closes this week that resulted in the girl not kissing me lol. Reading IOIs could have helped me. I will say, I think the more direct your game is, the less you're relying on IOIs and more on your confidence and sheer numbers. | /r/seduction | 19/03/12 06:04 AM |
| 1 | Noobie help: Condescending to Asian Waitress edition.I hear ya. I fucked up today in a similiar fashion. Was trying to impress and act like a badass to a girl during a direct open. Fail. But that's just a lesson toward mastery. | /r/seduction | 19/03/12 01:57 AM |
| 6 | Inner-game question: any advice on being confident but not letting it fall into arrogance? How to tell the difference?I had a hard learned lesson today on the difference. I direct opened girl #1 very warmly and confidently, telling her she was very cute and that I had to introduce myself. With a smile, I even told her during the open that my heart was pounding. The girl LOVED IT-- number closed like a baus. I think I was feeling like a badass from that number close, because the next set I was TOTALLY cocky with very little warmness. I was also trying to act like this dangerous, bad boy with my motorcycle helmet… | /r/seduction | 19/03/12 01:21 AM |
| 3 | Noobie help: Condescending to Asian Waitress edition.It's true, try hard=die hard. Why not just laugh it off any move on to a new girl? If you're set on this girl, just act like it didn't happen, learn from it, and continue being fun and sociable around her. | /r/seduction | 19/03/12 12:51 AM |
| 1 | New here, my boring story and looking for advice.I don't take compliments well. Just be gracious and accept them. "Thank you, I appreciate that." Bam, there it is, that simple. I can't flirt at ALL. The more experience you get with women, the more your flirting skills will improve. All the more incentive to approach and meet new women. Also, attraction isn't the rocket science a lot of people make it out to be. To flirt, just don't be afraid to act like a goofball, tease her a little, but also, you need to have *intent thrown in. Intent that y… | /r/seduction | 19/03/12 12:26 AM |
| 10 | How to respond to a pulling away from a kissPickup is largely about taking risks. Even if you're Casanova, you cannot always predict the behavior of women, no matter how good you are. Top PUAs get rejected ALL THE TIME. Yes, maximize your skills and attractiveness, but rejection is all apart of the game. | /r/seduction | 16/03/12 06:16 AM |
| 3 | After text anxiety, anyone else experience this? Need help overcoming it, asap.Get 10 more numbers in your phone and see if this issue is a problem any more. Your anxiety is directly proportional to how much you have to lose. How much you have to lose is directly proportional to how many girls you're pursuing at any given time. The takeaway: approach approach APPROACH. Get those numbers and report back. | /r/seduction | 16/03/12 12:48 AM |
| 1 | How do I prevent failure from weighing me down?I'd say most people hate failing, but it depends on their attitude. The most important thing is to continue to get up after failure, time and time again. It doesn't matter if it's your thousandth attempt, get the fuck back up. Also, your logistics, parent situation, and a lot of stuff sounds definitely less than idea. Come up with an action plan right now. If you have to move out, work out every day, or whatever, life's too short to waste it away not reaching your true potential. The real questi… | /r/seduction | 15/03/12 07:26 PM |
| 2 | Do you have any advice for a super fast number close? Like for an HB10 working a drive-thru window...THIS. This is by far your best shot, imo. Be direct about it. | /r/seduction | 15/03/12 05:14 AM |
| 1 | How do I prevent failure from weighing me down?I'm fairly certain everyone goes through this to an extent. When we fail, it cause us to feel shitty and everything else seems to be viewed through the shitty-attitude-lens. When I would only get one number a week and then try to solely get with that one girl, I went through this all the time. Now, I'll get 10+ numbers a week, and even though the majority of those don't turn into anything, I could care less. Strength in numbers, my friend. Strength in numbers. | /r/seduction | 15/03/12 05:11 AM |
| 2 | AFC Friends are preventing me from ApproachingGO OUT ALONE. I don't sarge with AFC friends for a reason. They don't get it. I'm almost always a lone wolf sarging, and it fucking ROCKS! PS: Finding legit wingman with game or a local lair also rocks. If you have those near you, definitely tap into them. | /r/seduction | 15/03/12 05:08 AM |
| 1 | Lurking for several months, first [FR].No Fap has been an awesome experience. Currently on Day 87, it's hard to believe. | /r/seduction | 15/03/12 02:21 AM |
| 1 | What should I do next?!?I've watched bootcamp videos and read more PUA material than I care to admit. Skip the bootcamps. Find a local lair with guys you can regularly chase skirt with. Here's a solid framework I posted the other day, though my style is almost entirely natural/direct game. Copy and paste intitiated: Direct game. It works wonders. Case in point: Saturday, eight approaches, seven number closes (the eighth had a boyfriend). My framework/ aka: "every girl's fantasy": Make eye contact two seconds before pas… | /r/seduction | 15/03/12 01:18 AM |
| 2 | [deleted by user]Well said. Once you DGAF whether the girl rejects you or not, you have a ton of freedom to play with all the small details of the interaction and not focus on anxiety. | /r/seduction | 14/03/12 08:01 AM |
| 3 | [deleted by user]Make it your goal to become completely and utterly comfortable with rejection. My game right now is higher than it's every been x 50, and it's due to that attitude. | /r/seduction | 14/03/12 07:58 AM |
| 2 | You're walking one way in a crowd at your university, random yet absolutely gorgeous girl walks by you in opposite direction. How do you talk to her?Let's talk experience. Blonde, HB9 on the corner last Thursday. Run up to her: "Excuse me, my heart is pounding like crazy, but you are absolutely adorable. I had to meet you to see what you were like. I'm mileshigh_23." BAM, girl was speechless. Number close 30 seconds later. Went out with her tonight and had an awesome time. That "heart attack" vulnerability concept... that's self acceptance. When you combine an extremely confident approach, excellent dress + grooming, and this "self acceptanc… | /r/seduction | 14/03/12 07:52 AM |
| 3 | You're walking one way in a crowd at your university, random yet absolutely gorgeous girl walks by you in opposite direction. How do you talk to her?If that works for you, go for it. Personally, I find getting a phone number is more effective as it's the most direct form of communication to the girl and cuts out any additional steps. It's a more "intimate" form of communication than Facebook as well. With my style of game, basically, the longer you're in set and the more interaction you have with the girl, the more likely you are to fuck it up lol. This is direct, day game. My bar and club game is much different. tldr: I weed out the girls d… | /r/seduction | 14/03/12 07:41 AM |
| 13 | You're walking one way in a crowd at your university, random yet absolutely gorgeous girl walks by you in opposite direction. How do you talk to her?Direct game. It works wonders. Case in point: Saturday, eight approaches, seven number closes (the eighth had a boyfriend). My framework/ aka: "every girl's fantasy": Make eye contact two seconds before passing. Must act spontaneous, like you just saw the girl of your dreams. Turn around, jog back up to her. Projecting your voice: "Excuse me! I'm about to have a heart attack here (with a wry smile + chuckle), but you are super cute and I had to see what you are like. I'm mileshigh_23." Note: the… | /r/seduction | 14/03/12 04:28 AM |
| 2 | Is it possible to "hack" your brain into looking at 10's the same way you'd look at anyone else, so you don't feel as nervous around them?You have an good point, and I revised my above post because of it. To be more accurate, my frame is not pure rejection (because that would be easy: I'd just act like a total fool and not shower for a week!). For each set, I deliver my A-game, but my ultimate goal is become comfortable with rejection-- I see now there is a HUGE difference! I've come to love the chase now, whether it ends in a number or not. | /r/seduction | 13/03/12 03:04 PM |
| 1 | Is it too late for me?Yep, haha. If anyone's down here, come chase some skirt with me dammit! | /r/seduction | 13/03/12 02:58 PM |
| 5 | Is it possible to "hack" your brain into looking at 10's the same way you'd look at anyone else, so you don't feel as nervous around them?My hack which I use for every set: the goal is no longer to get this HB10. It's to get rejected become completely comfortable with getting rejected. Every.single.set I walk into, this is my goal. I am approaching more women than I've approached in my entire life. I don't give a fuck any more, and it's the best thing EVAR. Go into the set wanting, more than anything, to make rejection and old, familiar friend. | /r/seduction | 13/03/12 06:32 AM |
| 4 | Is it too late for me?Have you tried Cognitive Behavioral Therapy for your anxiety and depression? I find it very effective. Also, hell no it's not "too late." It's all in your mind. If you put your mind to something, you can do almost anything, you just gotta build up that trust and momentum with yourself. Look at Neil Strauss- he was pretty damn old when he got into the attraction community, and look at where he is now. My advice: find a local lair. Connect with the guys there. Start SBT therapy if you haven't alre… | /r/seduction | 13/03/12 06:29 AM |
| 1 | A fraction of a second.Craigslist Missed Connections mayne lol | /r/seduction | 12/03/12 04:08 AM |
| 2 | Incredibly Nervous when trying to ask out this girlBe super casual about it: "We should hang out some time, what's you number?" Bam. Also, the antidote for staying non-needy is continually refreshing and adding options in your phone. Then if one girl doesn't work out, it's not big deal. | /r/seduction | 11/03/12 11:29 PM |
| 6 | Feedback on a date idea, please?Everyone has their own style, and as we all know, this is an art. So here's my take on text game and turning a number into a date: Avoid questions. Girls are subjected to boring questions from guys all.the.time. Girls are evolutionarily wired to follow a strong leader, so lead. Try this: "You.Me.Dancing class tomorrow night. 7:30pm." / "Txt 1 for YESSS! or 2 for ABSOLUTELY!!" or this: "I'm going to a barn dance class tomorrow night @ 7:30pm. I know, I know. I'm kind of a badass :P Come with me a… | /r/seduction | 11/03/12 07:53 AM |
| 1 | Found this video of a guy using something called the "Cube Game" to close girls. What does /seduction think?Most over used routine in PUA history. I don't like it, personally, but if it works for you guys, go for it! You could probably pull multiple numbers in a target rich area running direct game in that time frame. | /r/seduction | 11/03/12 07:47 AM |
| 6 | you say hi... then what?I was out earlier showing my buddy how I run direct game. The first six approaches number closed solidly, which was actually surprising me as that's a good ratio. Number 7 had a boyfriend. Number 8, number closed as well. Sooooo, if you want a framework of what I say in set: Confident approach: "Hey, you are awesomely cute, I have to meet you." Showing of vulnerability (I'll often throw this in, but it's not a must have): "... even though I'm about to have a heart attack lol" I KNOW some guys on… | /r/seduction | 11/03/12 07:34 AM |
| 2 | Sedditors, advice on how to proceed with this girl?Your text game is GOLD, love it + keep it up. But don't stick to text game too long. Set up a date, up the kino, if the chemistry is right (or actually, I pretty much ALWAYS go for it lol), go for the kiss close. Be fun, tease her like crazy, but just make sure you're always naturally escalating physically and emotionally. Attraction is made out to be this super complicated formula a lot of the time. It sounds like you're doing pretty good thus far. Be her fantasy. Make the move. | /r/seduction | 11/03/12 07:28 AM |
| 3 | [Seddit] How to get a guy's number for friendship without looking gay"Hey, you seem cool and I'm always looking for a good wingman. We should hang out some time. What's your number? and I mean this in the non-gayest way possible, not that there's anything wrong with that." I used this a little while ago on some cool guy I met at a cafe. He was totally stoked on it. Haven't hung out with him yet though. | /r/seduction | 10/03/12 07:41 PM |
| 1 | Can someone concretely explain what it feels like to be self-validated, and how to get there?Based on the studies he mentions in his book, its at least as effective as prescription drugs. I find that practiced regularly, it's very effective. Think about it: if you were to write out all the shitty thoughts going through your head at the end of the day that are making you feel bad, and then you were to examine them for how wrong they actually are, don't you think that would help? | /r/seduction | 09/03/12 08:23 PM |
| 1 | Charisma, Interviews, Friendship AKA Seduction for Everyday InteractionsI see what you're sayin'. I think the not-feeling-like-you-have-to-impress-anyone (aka: non-needy) and being good natured is a solid starting place. Add some energy to the mix and you have you charisma of Obama. The only thing I've found is forcing yourself to add energy for the purpose of being likeable tends to erase the non-needy part a bit. I have found though, that approaching lots and LOTS of beautiful women (ie: the seduction community) is probably the best way to achieve exactly what you… | /r/seduction | 09/03/12 07:00 AM |
| 7 | Post a picture of yourself. If possible, one with a girl you "___" closed with. I want to see how much looks play into being a PUABa-bam. Gunna keep the girl's privacy, but I'd put her in HB8.5-ish territory. | /r/seduction | 09/03/12 06:47 AM |
| 3 | Can someone concretely explain what it feels like to be self-validated, and how to get there?This means you don't feel the need to impress anyone. At all. When you achieve this, you feel very comfortable and secure with every action. It definitely comes across in your game, and girls can smell it a mile away. I go in and out of it. Tonight I was feeling "self actualized" for part of the night, especially after number closing an HB9 on the sidewalk haha. But at work, stressing out a bit today, I was definitely not feeling totally self-validated. How do you become self validated? Become C… | /r/seduction | 09/03/12 06:38 AM |
| 2 | New to this subreddit, I need an answer to this question...np, I also use the above guideline (basically, make up something crazy) whenever a girl txts me asking what I'm doing. "Oh, just training unicorns. As usual." and so on... | /r/seduction | 09/03/12 06:31 AM |
| 1 | Charisma, Interviews, Friendship AKA Seduction for Everyday InteractionsI can't recommend any books that come to mind, though I will say just approaching beautiful women over and over and over again is one of the most effective and organic ways to become confident, likeable, and a social god. I've also made some observations lately examining some of the best liked guys at my work. There are three that come to mind. All three have these in common: Very VERY well liked by pretty much everyone. All three are extremely chill. They don't ever seem to be vying for attenti… | /r/seduction | 09/03/12 06:23 AM |
| 1 | My slef-esteem is so low that I can barely make any friends, let alone get laid. I don't know what to do anymore.Read "Feeling Good" by David Burns. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) is incredibly powerful and effective. It's helped me immensely in game, PUA, and staying chill. It's also very effective in helping developing confidence. The concept behind CBT is essentially this: all your shitty moods are ultimately caused by the thoughts and beliefs in your head. When you closely examine those thoughts and replace them with more realistic thoughts, your anxiety/depression/shittiness will dissipate. PS: No… | /r/seduction | 09/03/12 06:11 AM |
| 1 | New to this subreddit, I need an answer to this question...I liked the forward response the top comment talked about, but that's only if you've established major attraction. If you still haven't, try these. Also, don't memorize lines as it creates performance anxiety (at least, for me). Get the gist of it down and deliver it naturally: "I'm teaching my cat spanish. I gotta show you the progress so far." "I want to show you my Pokemon card collection. It's the largest in the world. Serious, I'm in the Guinness book of world records." [throw in a sly smil… | /r/seduction | 09/03/12 06:07 AM |
| 8 | Post a picture of yourself. If possible, one with a girl you "___" closed with. I want to see how much looks play into being a PUADamn, that's an HB7? She's hawt-- by my scale, she'd be in the 9-ish territory. | /r/seduction | 09/03/12 05:58 AM |
| 1 | Today was one of the worst days ever. A complete destruction of my inner game.So two girls flaked on you?! I was flaked on hard by a girl a few weeks ago. Left standing in front of Barnes and Nobles waiting for her until she called 15 minutes late with some crazyass excuse. NEXT! No use even bumming about her. Just off to meet cooler girls. I think we can all agree that PUA and facing you fears is one hell of a roller coaster. I'll be honest when I say I'm currently on a minor dip. But force yourself to get out in the field and do more approaches. You just need to get tha… | /r/seduction | 08/03/12 01:42 AM |
| 8 | Parking lots and parked cars, approach or not?A few weeks ago I pulled an HB9s number at a gas station at 1am, followed by an awesome date later that week. GO FOR IT. I go for numbers basically any place: grocery stores, parking lots, cafes, restaurants, and my all time favorite, sidewalks. I have personally not gone up to a girl in a car with a window rolled up, so I can't speak on this yet. The high risk, high reward concept comes into play (also, high risk, high potential failure). If your approach is confident, genuine, and attractive, … | /r/seduction | 07/03/12 06:05 AM |
| 8 | Wondering what I could have done wrong hereIt's very likely she may have been NOT interested. This is something skilled members of this forum, the seduction community, and Simple Pickup deal with CONTINUALLY. I got rejected hard earlier. Did I try to keep pushing the conversation? Hell no. I moved on. NEXT. If the cat's not purring, don't pet it. There's this idea in the seduction community, that we should all be able to get any girl every time. That is sadly not the reality. This community and the skills it teaches will definitely help … | /r/seduction | 07/03/12 06:00 AM |
| 1 | I pussed out tonight. I need to learn from it and move forward.Also, when you go out, make it your goal to become completely comfortable with rejection. If your goal is to do "awesome in the set," "fuck that super hawt girl," or "go home with the blonde twins in the corner," it's only going to serve in making your anxious and outcome dependent. | /r/seduction | 07/03/12 05:56 AM |
| 3 | I pussed out tonight. I need to learn from it and move forward.Be aggressive and move forward with your life. Well said. About an hour ago, I was in Starbucks and this cute girl was eyeing me on the way in and out. Right as a walk out, I do a "Fuck it," walk back in and straight up to her: "Excuse me, you are super cute. I just had to meet you. I'm mileshigh_23." Girl: looked awkward as fuck, probably cause there was a ton of people around lol. Then mumbled "I have a boyfriend." I walked out of there very slightly shamed, but feeling like a fucking CHAMP fo… | /r/seduction | 07/03/12 05:53 AM |
| 2 | Bad case of oneitis for "perfect" / physically ideal womanhttp://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/pv3na/insight_to_those_new_to_seduction_or_at_an_impasse/ I posted this a few weeks ago. Relevant. One-ituses SUCK. The fact is, there are probably about 5,000 hot girls within 5 miles of you that you would be even better with. You've just got to go meet 'em! | /r/seduction | 07/03/12 05:47 AM |
| 1 | Awkward WingI've had wings like this. My recommendation: Roll with him to bars, but run game and open sets primarily alone. "Hey man, I'm stoked we're hanging out! One thing I'm working on is chasing skirt, so I'm going to be chasing the girls tonight. I'd love for you to get in on the action too if you're down. I just don't want you to feel like I'm ditching you. If you want to wing me, I'd be stoked to have you on board." If you feel like you wouldn't be patronizing him, you might offer to give him some t… | /r/seduction | 07/03/12 05:43 AM |
| 1 | Ladies/gentlemen of seddit: I'm a woman who would like your advice on how to get asked out more.Look hawt. Tease a lot. BAM, problem solved. | /r/seduction | 07/03/12 05:37 AM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]I just went through a week of being sick, and about five recent number closes all went to WASTE due to the attraction wearing off. Also, onion juice?!?! that sounds like the most vile thing I can possibly think of drinking. | /r/seduction | 06/03/12 02:01 AM |
| 5 | Should losing your v-card be meaningful? Should you lose it at your first opportunity?There are so many variables coming into play, I think each scenario would require a unique response. OP is 20 years old, so not having lost his virginity isn't all that out-of-the-ordinary. Plus he already has massive attraction and rapport with this girl. I would also say that even at 27, if you had massive attraction and rapport with the girl, it probably wouldn't matter much if you told her the same thing. If you don't have a high level of attraction and rapport with a girl, I would definitel… | /r/seduction | 05/03/12 05:35 AM |
| 124 | Should losing your v-card be meaningful? Should you lose it at your first opportunity?jizz rags to bitches haha good one, man. What I'm hearing: you're ready to lose the v-card, but you want it to have some meaning. Here's the solution: Tell the girl you lied to her. Cuddle up to her one night where you have a lot of comfort and rapport. Say, "Hey, I have something that's been bothering me inside for a while. I understand you might be mad about this too, but I had my reasons. I've actually never had sex. I know, I lied to you and I'm sorry. From a guy's perspective, being 20 year… | /r/seduction | 04/03/12 07:27 PM |
| 1 | The Best, Simplest Phone/Text Game Blueprint Ever. Seriously.. I learned a ton and it WORKS! 6 for 6!The framework has merit, but "what up hooker"? You've got to be kidding me. | /r/seduction | 03/03/12 11:28 PM |
| 1 | Feeling Lost. Help me have a good week.Depends on how you look at it, but I see where you're coming from. You gotta admit though, losing it to a very skilled and super sexy call girl might be pretty damn amazing. | /r/seduction | 03/03/12 11:21 PM |
| 0 | Feeling Lost. Help me have a good week.Why not visit a call girl and just lose the damn virginity? | /r/seduction | 03/03/12 10:57 PM |
| 1 | New favorite Opener: "Hey, you look REALLY cute. I had to come over here to talk to you."I didn't think of it that way haha. But you're right, that is consistency! | /r/seduction | 03/03/12 05:22 PM |
| 4 | What are you supposed to do when bombing?Dates bore the hell out of me too. That's why I am always on the move, bouncing to multiple locations. Sitting down, unless it's a spot I plan on making out with her, is avoided at all costs. I usually grab frozen yogurt or hot tea, go for a walk around town to the scenic parts, visit a fragrance store and we try out colognes. Just stay on the move and have fun. Also, not every date is going to be awesome. Just stick with it. It may not be easy, but it's worth it. | /r/seduction | 03/03/12 01:38 AM |
| 1 | How do you make a comeback after being in a long relationship?Niiice! Just heads up: a lot of PUA lairs aren't nearly as level-headed as Seddit is. Not all, but some. They will have you dressing up like a drag queen running Mystery Method 24/7 (which has it's merits, though I don't fund it the best technique for myself). Godspeed. | /r/seduction | 03/03/12 01:35 AM |
| 7 | New favorite Opener: "Hey, you look REALLY cute. I had to come over here to talk to you."I can see what you mean by the interview thing. Instead, internalize it as an attitude; the questions will come across as much more natural: Every time you approach a girl, your objective is to see if this girl is high enough quality that you'd want to spend time with her. Just to kind of hit home this point and reiterate the top comment: you can pretty much do whatever the fuck you want, as long as you're confident, fun, and can carry on a decent conversation. But I have noticed that not openin… | /r/seduction | 03/03/12 01:28 AM |
| 1 | How do you make a comeback after being in a long relationship?I just did a quick google search for: Ottawa Ontario pua. Lots of results with top results being "OTownLair." Not sure if they're still active, but it looks like a fairly large lair in your area: http://www.otownlair.com/ | /r/seduction | 02/03/12 03:47 PM |
| 6 | New favorite Opener: "Hey, you look REALLY cute. I had to come over here to talk to you."Ya, I was definitely caught off guard. She gave me a fairly disgusted look, like "omg, I know exactly what you're up to." I just said: "Did I get your number? I can't remember." haha. Then she walked away. It was one of the worst opens I've ever done, but since it's a good laugh, it just goes to show our biggest fears are relatively unfounded. | /r/seduction | 02/03/12 03:45 PM |
| 6 | New favorite Opener: "Hey, you look REALLY cute. I had to come over here to talk to you."Asking "screening" questions is one way, basically just making sure she's someone you want to hang out with. If I open a girl and the cat's not purring, I won't go for the number close. And if the girl doesn't come across as someone I'd want to hang out with, I usually won't number close. Be selective. It will show in your game. | /r/seduction | 02/03/12 03:42 PM |
| 4 | How do you make a comeback after being in a long relationship?Find local wings/lair through the forums. Also check out Simple Pickup content on youtube. It's super intuitive and doesn't over complicate PUA. And it works. So my advice is: *Find wings that will support you and you can roll with. *Get out in the field and hit on/date a lot of girls. After my last break up, it was killer getting over my ex, but the more girls I saw, the less I remembered her. *Find a technique that works for you. | /r/seduction | 02/03/12 06:08 AM |
| 14 | New favorite Opener: "Hey, you look REALLY cute. I had to come over here to talk to you."Dude, it totally works and continually impresses the girls, because really, what guy has the balls to go up to a girl as say this? Only the most badass of them. I'm still pretty surprised at seeing this title post: I was like, "wtf, somebody has been reading my comments about direct game." But ya, Simple Pickup is some good shit. Looks like we both borrowed it from them. PS: I've been thinking lately a lot about this: when I first started running this direct opener almost daily, I was getting a … | /r/seduction | 02/03/12 06:04 AM |
| 59 | New favorite Opener: "Hey, you look REALLY cute. I had to come over here to talk to you."Whoa whoa WHOA, this is the EXACT same opener I use on a daily basis, and it fuckin' WORKS like a champ. I also plucked it from Simple Pickup. I can pull a number with about 50% hit rate. Not bad, imo. The other week though, I had a gorgeous HB9.5 look at me and go: "You tried this exact same thing on me two days ago. I told you, I have a boyfriend!" lol | /r/seduction | 02/03/12 05:34 AM |
| 1 | "What do I win?"No more day same seduction with this girl. Night game is where the k-closes happen. Or at least it's much easier imo. Set up a date for some tea or frozen yogurt. Don't go for the k-close at the end of the night, do it in the middle of the date out of nowhere. Awesome job on the kino. Godspeed. | /r/seduction | 29/02/12 06:26 AM |
| 2 | [FR] First attempt at daygame. I really suck at this.Walk up to girl. "You are ridiculously cute, I just had to meet you. What's your name?" ... Profit. | /r/seduction | 29/02/12 04:59 AM |
| 12 | Rejection Therapy: The Game You Win by Actively Seeking Out RejectionI was out with a non-pua buddy for Mardi Gras who couldn't believe how many girls I wsa opening and number closing. I tell him: "For years, my goal was to be extremely good with women. It made me super anxious and I was always afraid to approach. One day, I decided that my new goal was to be totally comfortable with rejection." Blew.his.mind. So ya, I totally agree with this. Also, I got rejected pretty hard in the grocery store today. I find it hilarious. | /r/seduction | 28/02/12 03:38 AM |
| 2 | AFC to Full PUA and Back to AFC in a year and half.I understand your point. The celebrity status of these men DEFINITELY helps them give value rather than taking it. I feel that just because these men are celebrities, it doesn't take away from the point: when you have great inner game, you're not acting from a point of neediness, and thus you give value rather than take value. And if the girls are having a good enough time, his reputation won't matter. That extends to after an f-close. If he has a bad rep, he probably wasn't treating the girls r… | /r/seduction | 26/02/12 08:55 PM |
| 4 | AFC to Full PUA and Back to AFC in a year and half.Previously, your goal was to bang as many girls as you could. Your new goal is to bring excitement, fun, and joy to girls' lives. You only believe in win-win relationships with girls. When you have this philosophy, your game will organically shift how it's being run. Look at Leonardo DiCaprio, Bradd Pitt, Collin Ferrel. Those guys have probably bedded a shit load of women. Do women hold it against them (as they seem to against you in your home town?). No, they don't. It's because those men are G… | /r/seduction | 26/02/12 08:50 AM |
| 2 | I feel that I have great potential for success but don't know what the missing link is.Getting a bit carried away with this response lol. Also, don't worry too much about bothering people. People are generally very receptive to positive, fun people interacting with them. I meet and number close girls all the time, most often in the middle of the sidewalk broad daylight. Girls love attention, why not give them what they want? | /r/seduction | 26/02/12 07:33 AM |
| 2 | I feel that I have great potential for success but don't know what the missing link is.When approaching (pretty much always, whether you're opening direct or indirect), project a vibe that you love life and enjoy meeting people-- basically in line with what I said above, that everyone want to meet this type of person. If you're in the library, this would be the perfect time for an indirect opener. This is pretty much what the "Mystery Method" is based on. The opener (at least the "indirect" opener) is simply a way to start talking to someone, and from there, you can jump to a diff… | /r/seduction | 26/02/12 07:27 AM |
| 1 | I feel that I have great potential for success but don't know what the missing link is.I've been here. Your sticking point is "opening." There's a ton of PUA books on ways to open. Check out Simple Pickup on YouTube though. They don't have any fancy openers, it's just energy, confidence, and humor. What girl wouldn't want to interact with a guy possessing these qualities?! EVERYONE enjoys being around this type of person. I posed this last week; you may find it useful: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/pv3na/insight_to_those_new_to_seduction_or_at_an_impasse/ | /r/seduction | 26/02/12 06:25 AM |
| 1 | I really, objectively SUCK as a personI see where you're coming from. I admit, I do try to emulate a confident, masculine, direct alpha male. I think just about everyone strives and projects who they *want to be, to an extent. I don't have a problem with that. This community and the main concept behind it, imo, is pushing yourself to become that person that you want to be. There are tons of overweight, unconfident guys pounding the pavement, talking to beautiful women so they can reach this goal. In the grand scheme of things, it al… | /r/seduction | 26/02/12 06:10 AM |
| 1 | A simple checklist for day/night game to go from approaching to number close. Suggestions are welcome.Basically. Good conversation skills and kino is a huge part of vibing and establishing comfort w the girl. Of course, you're not going to vibe and connect w every girl you number close, but that's ok. | /r/seduction | 25/02/12 05:56 PM |
| 1 | Need help getting past the nervousness.Stop being afraid of hitting on girls. They WANT you to flirt with them. What increased my success about 1000% was the day I decided that I was no longer in this to be successful with women, and that my new goal was to learn how to be completely and utterly ok and comfortable with getting rejected. Suddenly, that gorgeous blonde walking down the sidewalk was my greatest tool in achieving this outcome. Your skill level will organically get better with this mindset. Do you know how many set I got … | /r/seduction | 25/02/12 09:07 AM |
| 1 | Every day I'm getting made fun of, getting insulted, getting picked on, etc. by co-workers, friends and people who then join in because I seem beta. Any advice on how to respond to these things and become more alpha in a group?Quit hanging out with these fuckers. Work out, get fit, learn to kick some ass. If someone disses you: "You don't get out very often, do you?" | /r/seduction | 25/02/12 09:05 AM |
| 2 | Seddit, what are your favorite places to go out alone and meet new people?Sidewalks. Sidwalks. Oh, and sidewalks. And while I'm at it: I pulled a gorgeous HB8.5's number at the gas station the other night. And aside from that, bookstores, cafes, and ANYWHERE there are girls. Actually, "ANYWHERE" is my final answer. | /r/seduction | 25/02/12 09:01 AM |
| 2 | How do you get motivated going out alone?Effective day game. You can build a ton of attraction in under 60 seconds, if you do it right. Yes, it's really this simple: Walk up, must appear spontaneous and authentic "Excuse me, you are amazingly cute and I had to meet you come say hi and see what you were like. I'm mileshigh_23" "Awesome, so what are you up to today?" "Sweet, well we should hang out some time. How can we make this happen?" "Oh, good suggestion. Ya, let me get your number." "It was nice meeting you." Smile, walk away. Txt … | /r/seduction | 25/02/12 08:59 AM |
| 1 | How do I go about calling a girl I met 5 days ago and asking her out?Thanks man, it's come after a great deal of both failure and success. Of course, this is an art, so I'm sure there's a million variations on the above techniques. But I gotta say, the above usual work pretty well from my experience. | /r/seduction | 25/02/12 01:12 AM |
| 2 | How do I go about calling a girl I met 5 days ago and asking her out?Also, don't overthink this too much. There's no magic formula of attraction. The best thing you can do is go out, get tons of numbers, and organically learn this through trial and error. I got rejected tonight by... a lot of women during Direct Opens. I could care less because it boiled down to two number that may go somewhere. And if those numbers don't: NEXT. So don't fret over this one girl too much. | /r/seduction | 24/02/12 06:43 AM |
| 3 | How do I go about calling a girl I met 5 days ago and asking her out?On a side note, if you haven't built a lot of attraction with a girl, it's very doubtful she would answer her phone. This is an eternal debate in this community, but I personally prefer texting over calling in the beginning much more. You can text her anything witty or humorous up until then. After the number close, I usually just txt the girl the next day setting up a date, otherwise the attraction starts to wear off. Also, even if you have just a half hour of free time Friday, that's perfect f… | /r/seduction | 24/02/12 06:41 AM |
| 7 | How do you get motivated going out alone?I go out alone ALL THE TIME. I actually kind prefer it. I gotta say though, I don't like going to the bars or clubs alone. When I sarge alone, it's all about sidewalk, cafes, bookstores, and so on. Just be super positive and go meet people. Don't be afraid to hit on girls. | /r/seduction | 24/02/12 06:37 AM |
| 20 | How do I go about calling a girl I met 5 days ago and asking her out?One of the keys to pickup, imo, is that it is a numbers game in large part. Spending too much time on one girl tends to make a guy less confident than he could be. So here's my take: give it a shot, but if the cat's not purring, don't pet it. A text I have very good results with to pull dates after a number close: "Me. You. Frozen yogurt. 8:30pm. Tonight." "Txt 1 for ABSOLUTELY! or 2 for OMGYESSSSS!!" If she's not biting after than, NEXT. Godspeed. | /r/seduction | 24/02/12 06:11 AM |
| 1 | Upcoming AMA With Sasha Daygame!9 number closes leading to 6 f-closes?! Those are some amazing stats. What was the time frame between number close and f-close? | /r/seduction | 23/02/12 01:51 AM |
| 1 | Upcoming AMA With Sasha Daygame!Solid attraction is definitely possible in 45 seconds. If that wasn't the case, the HB8.5 number close I pulled last week wouldn't have turned into an f-close a few nights ago. The method I'm talking about is very direct. It's basically what Paul Janka and some of the most confident naturals run. Simple Pickup has a similar style, but they like to stay in set a bit longer and focus on humor during sets. You're playing into every girl's fantasy of meeting that dashing, well-dressed man on the sid… | /r/seduction | 22/02/12 09:37 PM |
| 1 | Upcoming AMA With Sasha Daygame!You have a good point on the quality of the number. The thing is, I don't see him building that much attraction in the sets. If he can build solid attraction in 20 minutes, awesome. If I can build solid attraction in 45 seconds, I'd much rather do that. To each his own. | /r/seduction | 22/02/12 05:02 PM |
| 1 | Upcoming AMA With Sasha Daygame!All the love to my fellow community members, Sasha too, but I'm just not feeling the style of game that Sasha runs, at least what I've seen via youtube. The guy can pull numbers, but pulling numbers is ridiculously easy. Spending 20 minutes in a set (the youtube video I'm currently watching) is ridiculously long. I could just as well get three or more numbers in that time frame. Everyone has their own style though. And I will admit, this guy has balls of steel for approaching. But as for stats, … | /r/seduction | 22/02/12 09:53 AM |
| 1 | Upcoming AMA With Sasha Daygame!haha fuck yes | /r/seduction | 22/02/12 09:42 AM |
| 2 | STDs? I just got diagnosed with HPV. Again. Genital Warts that is...If it never goes away, how do you get it a *second time? Also, why has this been such a huge bummer?-- it seems to be a relatively small issue | /r/seduction | 22/02/12 04:33 AM |
| 3 | Seddit is continuously changing my life for the better. Thank you guys.Please take this to heart: The Game was a fucking amazing read, but a lot of the material seems to be outdated. There are better methods and approaches out there, imo. But indirect openers definitely do have a place. | /r/seduction | 22/02/12 01:28 AM |
| 2 | A simple checklist for day/night game to go from approaching to number close. Suggestions are welcome.The framework above is pretty much all I do these days. Indirect game wasn't cutting it as far as results go. Also note: this is pretty much what Paul Janka and the guys from Simple Pickup run. Results are fairly solid but do take work. Out of 10 numbers, typically ~4 dates will come of it. Out of the 4 dates, 2 k-closes and 1 f-close. Of course, you need some solid game after the opener. I opened an HB8 on Valentines day with the above. The first time we hung out last week, she was telling me h… | /r/seduction | 22/02/12 01:22 AM |
| 8 | A simple checklist for day/night game to go from approaching to number close. Suggestions are welcome.Effective day game. Yes, it's really this simple: Walk up, must appear spontaneous and authentic "Excuse me, you are amazingly cute and I had to meet you come say hi and see what you were like. I'm mileshigh_23" "Awesome, so what are you up to today?" "Sweet, well we should hang out some time. How can we make this happen?" "Oh, good suggestion. Ya, let me get your number." "It was nice meeting you." Smile, walk away. Txt 2 minutes later: "Hey _____, super cool meeting you just now ;) Are you alw… | /r/seduction | 21/02/12 08:13 PM |
| 2 | I fucked up, and now I'm a mess. I need to figure out how to keep from making the same damn mistakes.It depends on what kind of end goal you want. I can't exactly feel out the situation from a few paragraphs of text. If you go for the move, she'll either friend-zone you or go along with the seduction, in which case she could end up being much more than a friend. You've got to feel the situation out and go with your gut. Also remember, light kino is a good place to start. If you're not getting the IOIs from some back rubbing, then don't advance to the next step. She'll give you the signals wheth… | /r/seduction | 21/02/12 07:41 AM |
| 2 | I fucked up, and now I'm a mess. I need to figure out how to keep from making the same damn mistakes.You're currently in unknown waters with this girl, so you want to build up from very light to heavy kino. Check out the Dicarlo Escalation latter. What I do with pretty much every girl, even those I just met, is put my hand in the middle of her back while we're walking. I do this for a few seconds and then take it away. It's almost a "caressing" motion, like gently guiding her. The next time, I'll do it but for longer. Now here's the take-away: you go from less intimate kino to more intimate, an… | /r/seduction | 21/02/12 01:23 AM |
| 7 | Dealing with Social Anxiety?Game is the BEST thing for social anxiety (but I'm sure you know that). Keep pushing through your barriers. It is not easy, but the reward is huge. There is no easy solution here. You've got to face the monster head on. My AA decreased significantly the day I decided that I was no longer practicing PUA to be good with women, but that my new goal was to become completely and totally comfortable with getting rejected. Today, I have virtually zero AA approaching even the hottest girls. In a similar… | /r/seduction | 20/02/12 06:29 AM |
| 2 | What comes next?Kino. Kino. Oh, also try kino. | /r/seduction | 20/02/12 04:33 AM |
| 3 | I fucked up, and now I'm a mess. I need to figure out how to keep from making the same damn mistakes.Do it and see what happens. Even if you do it and fail, you will feel awesome because you fucking WENT FOR IT. Just make sure you don't spring a kiss on her out of nowhere. Girls are like pots. They gotta be warmed up to the right temperature before you can... cook with 'em. So start with light kino. If you spring the kiss in her out of nowhere, it may go spectacularly bad. | /r/seduction | 20/02/12 04:29 AM |
| 1 | Sunday Reflection Thread - What did you learn this weekend?I direct opened a gorgeous HB9.5 blonde that went fairly fantastically terrible: Mileshigh: ''excuse me, you are ridiculously cute. I had to come over here to meet you.'' HB: ''you tried this exact same thing two days ago.'' Mileshigh: ''serious?! Well did I get your number?'' HB: practically rolling her eyes ''I have a boyfriend.'' She turn around and walks off. The takeaway: this was a pretty painful and slightly embarrassing aoproach, but this is about the worst rejection yet. And really, asi… | /r/seduction | 20/02/12 04:22 AM |
| 1 | Less than 3 minute number close. Next move? (Kind of an [FR])You would THINK the numbers would equate to more dates. Sadly, that's just not the case lol... at least for me at the moment. | /r/seduction | 20/02/12 03:49 AM |
| 1 | Less than 3 minute number close. Next move? (Kind of an [FR])My game is all about the numbers, and of course, running as tight game as I can manage. 10 numbers will usually equate to 4 dates. Out of the 4 dates, about 2 will lead to a k-close. And out of those 2, 1 will lead to an f-close. That's why consistently pulling numbers is the basis for success. It takes work, but it's fun work. | /r/seduction | 20/02/12 03:38 AM |
| 3 | I need advice on pretty much the simplest aspect of seduction there isNot quite that much of a squint. It's more like just relaxed eyes. If you go to the mirror and practice smiling with absolutely zero eye relaxation/squint, notice how "deer in the headlights" you will look. Now try "smiling with the eyes" as you smile with your mouth. They close a bit and it makes everything seem nice and natural. Just use google image search and check out people smiling. The reason why they don't seem so deer-in-the-headlights is their eyes. | /r/seduction | 20/02/12 12:34 AM |
| 2 | I need advice on pretty much the simplest aspect of seduction there isGenuine smiles start with the eye squint. THE EYE SQUINT. Try it, but don't over due it. More like relax the eyes, then smile. | /r/seduction | 20/02/12 12:18 AM |
| 5 | [FR] First kclose ever. Picture inside.Sarging with non seduction-community members has always totally sucked for me lol. But it sounds like you both had a killer night, so bravo. | /r/seduction | 19/02/12 07:08 PM |
| 6 | [LR] Pulled from Facebook, fucked on the first dateThat was fuckin' hilarious XD I like your style and the fact that even though you're handling the situation like a bauss, you're doing it with principle. | /r/seduction | 19/02/12 05:23 PM |
| 3 | fucked up situation, not sure how to proceed.How do you proceed from here? You find another girl! NEXT. The world is bursting at the seams with beautiful girls. When you get 5 more numbers in your phone, this girl will not matter. A scenario like you described in your post happens to me somewhat frequently. Hell, I had two first dates this week where the k-close was flat out denied! The connection with both those girls just wasn't there and probably never will be there. So rather than expend all this time and emotional energy trying to get… | /r/seduction | 19/02/12 05:15 PM |
| 2 | Less than 3 minute number close. Next move? (Kind of an [FR])Everyone has their own style. My style is very direct, similar to what Paul Janka and Simple Pickup practice: walk up to beautiful girl, smile, tell her she's cute and that I had to meet her, introduce myself, handshake, very light banter, ask her how we can continue the conversation (in which she'll offer her phone #), high five, exit. The basic concept is your playing into every girl's fantasy of meeting that "dashing, well dressed, and mysterious man that she met on the street corner earlier … | /r/seduction | 19/02/12 05:02 PM |
| 3 | First Real Rejection.Rejection doesn't hurt when you've got four other girls on the line. Approach way more. Get more numbers. | /r/seduction | 19/02/12 07:05 AM |
| 2 | [FR] A three day experience. Bad to good.Seriously, if I knew about this community 10 years ago... god, the possibilities. | /r/seduction | 19/02/12 06:52 AM |
| 0 | [FR] A three day experience. Bad to good.I gotta say, you handled this like a bauss. This is totally my style of game, and it FUCKING WORKS. | /r/seduction | 19/02/12 06:52 AM |
| 3 | Less than 3 minute number close. Next move? (Kind of an [FR])I was just using that as an excuse to hit on you. That's gold. I'm totally using this. As for your questions. Most of my number closes are usually 30-45 seconds after opening, so this would actually be a pretty long interaction for me lol. Try this, which I send to basically every girl I number close: "Hey! It was super awesome meeting you a few minutes ago. Are you always so friendly to strangers? -mileshigh23" The girls pretty much always respond positively. Doing the above text will get your … | /r/seduction | 19/02/12 06:49 AM |
| 1 | Seddit, I'm out of options and I need helpI just posted this earlier today. You may find it of some use: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/pv3na/insight_to_those_new_to_seduction_or_at_an_impasse/ | /r/seduction | 19/02/12 06:13 AM |
| 3 | [mini-fr] Two absolutely AWESOME openers I invented. Seriously, these are pure gold; this is my way of giving back to the community.Curious, how do you normally number close from these indirect openers? I always found it difficult to transition from indirect material. | /r/seduction | 19/02/12 06:07 AM |
| 3 | Great night, #close, but weird situation with buddy. Please give me your thoughts, seddit.Sounds like you did a good job building attraction. Just communicate with your buddy more often. Friends are few and far between. Women are all over the place. | /r/seduction | 19/02/12 12:48 AM |
| 3 | Insight to those new to seduction or at an impasseDirect opens do align with the "how about some dick" concept. The thing is, women WANT the dick from a high value guy. Beautiful women get hit on a lot IN BARS by drunk losers. When you look fly-as-fuck and walk up to a woman in a venue where her defense is down, you come across as the biggest badass that's ever talked to her. I could go out and pull three numbers in the next hour just opening with hello. I wouldn't even say it's difficult. | /r/seduction | 19/02/12 12:17 AM |
| 3 | Insight to those new to seduction or at an impasseWhen I first got into this about three years ago, I was into scripted Mystery Method openers. Now I run almost entirely direct game, mostly during the day. If I want to meet a woman, I'll walk up to her, tell her she's cute, and I had to meet her. The number close happens within 45 seconds, and is largely based on every woman's fantasy of meeting "that mysterious and dashing man on the sidewalk earlier today." My game is pretty similar to what Paul Janka and the guys from Simple Pickup do. And i… | /r/seduction | 18/02/12 06:20 PM |
| 2 | Insight to those new to seduction or at an impasseThat was a joke ;) | /r/seduction | 18/02/12 06:17 PM |
| 1 | Anyone tried Toastmasters?Yes. I'm a member right now, served as an Area Governor last year, and started my university's first Toastmasters club in its history! Needless to say, TM has been a pretty major part of my life. Highly recommended. | /r/seduction | 18/02/12 09:54 AM |
| 6 | OpenersI spent about two years doing indirect "Mystery Method" type openers. Lately though, much less often. Even at a bar, I'll just walk up to a girl, be super fun, and say things like: "You look fun, I had to come talk to you" "I've had a crush on you for years" "So, what's your favorite pokemon?" There is definitely a place for indirect openers, but I find them less and less appealing the more direct my game gets. | /r/seduction | 18/02/12 09:14 AM |
| 1 | What's your way of building momentum or getting into state?Ya, they can be semi crazy :/ I was talking to one yesterday and he threw a bible up 15 feet into the air that landed in the middle of the road. And then I noticed people staring at me wondering why on earth I was talking to this guy. ahahaha good times, good times. | /r/seduction | 11/02/12 05:11 AM |
| 1 | What's your way of building momentum or getting into state?I usually hit the sidewalks and talk to everyone. My wing hates me for this, but I like to get pumped up talking to travellers and homeless people lol. They're freakin' interesting!! Also, my wing and I have a bet (that we borrowed from SimplePickup) where one of us points out any female target and the other must immediately open or do 10 pushups on the ground, right there. I had to do 10 pushups a few weeks ago in a very heavily travelled farmers market. Was pretty awesome! | /r/seduction | 10/02/12 09:44 PM |
| 1 | Feeling incredibly desperate after getting the numberAlso, the hidden diamond mind of pickup is direct game. I have NO IDEA why more PUAs don't go direct. I don't like bar and club game much at all-- it's a pain in the ass, and it's generally more difficult to pick a girl up imo (contrary to what most people think). When you go up to a cute girl on the sidewalk in broad daylight and confidently tell her she's cute and that you had to meet her... now that is some powerful stuff! That's something out of a girl's dreams! Why not give them exactly wha… | /r/seduction | 10/02/12 10:00 AM |
| 1 | Feeling incredibly desperate after getting the numberAttraction is largely a numbers game. I consider success with women 50% getting-the-fuck-out-there-and-actually-approaching and the other 50% is the skills you learn in the community. You simply need more of the former: more numbers in your phone. If I had one target I'm currently chasing, I would be needy too. Instead, I got two numbers tonight and a handful of girls on the side. If one of the girls tonight doesn't work out, I could really care less. Ingrain this in your head: girls WANT to be … | /r/seduction | 09/02/12 09:30 AM |
| 4 | Nervousness is less obvious than they think.Totally believe this. I joined Toastmasters 4 years ago because I had a full blown PHOBIA of public speaking. After countless speeches in front of an audience and numerous times video taping myself during these, I found that I didn't appear nervous at all when watching the videos of the speeches. | /r/seduction | 09/02/12 09:24 AM |
| 5 | Are you frustrated with your inability to close with women? I can guarantee you that if you can internalize this, your life will forever change.Good read. The "always be escalating" part has been a key part of my game for a while. | /r/seduction | 04/02/12 07:23 PM |
| 4 | Tonight gentlemen, I'll test what you've not tested yourself.Never got that response. The girl always just giggles and then game on. If she did though, you could go so many directions... | /r/seduction | 03/02/12 11:58 PM |
| 27 | Tonight gentlemen, I'll test what you've not tested yourself.I field tested this one last month. It was GOLD at the bar. | /r/seduction | 03/02/12 04:16 PM |
| 7 | Having trouble with openingBe wild, crazy, fun, and energetic. Talk to everyone. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. My brother is a natural, and seeing him at parties is pretty interesting. Is he going around trying to start conversations? No, he's going around being playful and the life of the party, busting girls' balls, and so on. So get out there, play some beer pong, laugh, and if all else fails you: "You guys look fun! I had to come say hi." | /r/seduction | 03/02/12 08:04 AM |
| 2 | So something happened today.At the end of your convo: "You know what, you are really cute. We should hang out some time. What's your number?" That's awesome that you had a good conversation, but girls are practically begging high quality guys to be in their lives. There is an underabundance of them out there. So do them all a favor, and get their number. | /r/seduction | 03/02/12 06:07 AM |
| 2 | Save your time, save yourself and save your sanity. If she's just not interested, move on...I really needed to see this post. I spend most of my time with multiple girls and getting numbers, but one oneitus lately has been fucking that up. In PUA, there seems to be that perception that you should be able to get any girl at any time. While we try to maximize attraction, that's simply not the case. | /r/seduction | 02/02/12 03:10 AM |
| 0 | Upcoming AMA with the guys of SimplePickup!Once you get the number, how do you guys proceed with phone and txt game from there? | /r/seduction | 30/01/12 06:11 PM |
| 2 | Quality problem - Picking up tons of girls since moving to a city, but just don't have the libido for it...One of the best subreddits besides /r/seduction I ever joined: http://www.reddit.com/r/nofap. This will definitely help. | /r/seduction | 28/01/12 10:58 PM |
| 6 | Eye contact + smile = invitation to talk?Also, if there's an ounce of un-genuine-ness during your approach, she'll sense this. For instance, I've failed many times when casually and cooly telling a girl she's cute. But when I jog after passing her on the sidewalk, or run across the street to meet her, she knows I'm the type of guy that goes after what I want. "Excuse me! You are really cute. I just had to come say hi and meet you. I'm mileshigh_23 :D" Hold your hand out for her to shake. | /r/seduction | 28/01/12 05:56 PM |
| 11 | Eye contact + smile = invitation to talk?"Hi, you're cute, what's your name?" YES. You have just answered your question. There is nothing wrong with a direct approach like this. In fact, during the day, this is just about the most effective style of attraction you can run. Cause really, WHO does this?! Only a confident, badass... and she knows it. I base my direct game style on Simplepickup on youtube. But I've made a bunch of variations that seem to improve the technique for me. Now go get 'em! | /r/seduction | 28/01/12 05:49 PM |
| 5 | Alpha response to "It was nice meeting you"?You can't win over every set. In fact realistically, the chance of success (ie: number, f-close, whatever) is statistically low. I say fuck trying to avoid the obstacle. Instead, reframe it so that getting blown out or politely excused is now your goal. That's how it is when I go out pulling direct game: my goal is to get to the point where rejection means nothing. In that respect, I approach 10X as many sets as I'd do otherwise which provides the most organic social growth I can think of. | /r/seduction | 28/01/12 05:43 PM |
| 1 | What are your opinions on wearing men's jewelry?Two bracelets, a thumb ring, a rolling ring on the right hand, pierced ears, and a simple silver necklace. This SOUNDS like a lot of jewelry, but it's not gaudy jewelry at all and would be hard pressed to notice at first glance. I also found girls were way more receptive after I put the small studs in the ears. If it fits in with your style and what you want to portray, go for it. It's not what you do, it's how you do it. | /r/seduction | 27/01/12 08:22 AM |
| 1 | Over Coming Social anxietySocial anxiety and anxiety in general is pretty much the whole reason I got into game. I figure, if I can go up to a super hottie and get her number, then I can talk to anyone-- it's the best therapy I can think of. I recently started going almost entirely direct in my game: go up to beautiful girl, tell her she's captivating and cute, flirt, get number. Simplepickup on youtube provides a good framework. I was pretty terrified when I first started going direct, but now I can basically go up to a… | /r/seduction | 27/01/12 08:01 AM |
| 3 | Inner game: how do you guys shrug off constant failures and keep going strong?I get rejected ALL.THE.TIME. But on the other hand, my success rate is about 600% higher than it was when I wasn't approaching. 6 months ago, I hated rejection. It was causing me to not sarge very often at all. Then I took a new attitude of: "My primary objective is no longer to succeed with these women, it is to become immune to rejection." That flips the game up on its head completely and takes the pressure off approaching. | /r/seduction | 26/01/12 03:23 PM |
| 1 | Made out with a girl just now, and then she said something that makes no sense. Explain!True true. But the truth is, I *am trying hard to be that smooth haha. And I'd say my end goal is not to be "smooth" (god, I hate that word), but to be a charismatic, attractive but authentic man. There's an aspect of "trying" that is both required for self improvement, but also a hindrance to my end goal. I guess that's just becoming how a natural is, and it takes time. | /r/seduction | 21/01/12 05:44 PM |
| 1 | A common mantra around here is "outcome independence"I'd say outcome independence is definitely attainable. It's attained when you don't care about outcome which is a direct result of your intent/goal. If your goal when sarging is to bang hot chicks, then it's going to be much more difficult to reach outcome independence-- there's a very real probability that you're not going to be banging the chick in each set. But if your goal is to get rejected until rejection doesn't hurt anymore, then you've just hacked your brain right there. Getting rejecte… | /r/seduction | 21/01/12 05:35 PM |
| 2 | Made out with a girl just now, and then she said something that makes no sense. Explain!Dude, I had a girl say pretty much the EXACT SAME THING to me two weeks ago. She told me I was quite possibly the "smoothest" guy she's ever met in her life and that she's madly attracted, but I was "too" smooth and it didn't seem completely natural. I've since made a few changes that show a little tiny bit of vulnerability and humility. I think being overly confident all the time doesn't necessarily maximize attraction. | /r/seduction | 21/01/12 05:25 PM |
| 3 | Thoughts after a night out... two conflicting approaches to pickup and life.Start thinking of PUA as another one of your hobbies. Pursue it, but don't let it run your life. As for pushing yourself to go out... I push myself to go out frequently, often alone, but you gotta be honest with yourself. "If I go out tonight in my current state of physical feeling, will I enjoy myself." If the answer is "No, I'm way to fucking tired!" then don't go out. There's a difference between feeling dog tired/sick and not wanting to go out because of AA. If it's the "tired" reason, you m… | /r/seduction | 15/01/12 04:27 PM |
| 2 | 2 - Beginner sedditor here. Keeping track of progress and my thoughts of seddit community=)Break ups are like that, man. I remember the first three weeks I was STOKED to be out of my relationship, followed by extreme sadness. And then fluctuating between not caring and extreme sadness for quite a while. | /r/seduction | 14/01/12 01:48 AM |
| 0 | Declaration of IntentI agree with ALL 5 FUCKING POINTS. I'm tired of getting shit for relentlessly pursuing what is generally considered a very difficult art to master. | /r/seduction | 13/01/12 08:34 AM |
| 10 | What should I text her to get the third date?yellow-stone: "Hey trouble, just making sure you haven't died from the plague :P" HB: haha nope not yet yellow-stone: well good, because I'm going on a hike later today. You should come with me. Txt 1 for YES! or 2 for TOTALLY!! | /r/seduction | 10/01/12 05:56 AM |
| 3 | [deleted by user]OP, your current mindset is: "I am going to get out to successfully open and bang these hot cuties." This creates anxiety and AA because you're creating a condition to feel fulfilled. Your new mindset is: "I am going out to learn how to handle rejection." Try this as an experiment: forget about indirect openers for one day. Go direct all day, it will majorly help you get over your AA. Walk up to cute girls without hiding your intentions. Smile, act super confident, project your voice, maintain e… | /r/seduction | 07/01/12 06:49 PM |
| 2 | Absolutely cannot get over my huge insecurities about heightBullshit. Why is it that one of the most alpha, confident people at my high school (7 years ago) was also one of the shortest? Because he was able to reframe his thinking. You can do it too. Edit: *I know it's not that simple. I have my own inner issues that constantly challenge me as well. We all do. Yes, height and attraction does have a correlation, but you can be an outlier if you have the right mindset. | /r/seduction | 02/01/12 09:58 PM |
| 2 | [FR] Brought a chick home. LMR'd all night.Are you sure she wasn't on her period? I've had similiar experience that I later found out were caused by her being on her period and didn't want to fuck. Also, seduction skill can help you maximize your f-close potential, but it's not a magic bullet that always drops the panties. In this case, if it wasn't the period theory, i'd put it on not building enough comfort. | /r/seduction | 02/01/12 01:52 AM |
| 3 | Has anyone else considered chinese height increasing surgery?Fuck that. Height has very VERY little to do with your game. It's all in your head. Learn to master that, and you're golden. | /r/seduction | 01/01/12 09:11 AM |
| 2 | Been on seddit a while and still no luck?OP, I admire your tenacity and effort. First things first: you're not building enough attraction, otherwise the 80 numbers would have produced better results. How are you approaching, with what openers, and material? I have TOTALLY been in the "this fucking sucks, I hate indirect game" phase. I switched my game to mostly direct (simplepickup on youtube is some good stuff), and I feel like my game and passion for game has increased about 10 fold. My first direct opener on an HB8 two days ago resu… | /r/seduction | 29/12/11 02:27 AM |
| 2 | Is it better to avoid saying I'm a virgin, or to say it with confidence?True true. I have nothing wrong with getting a call girl, you gotta be careful going to Mexico for that, mang. Why not get a hottie American girl with a slightly lower chance of getting herpes? Stick with this community and you'll be banging cuties in no time. | /r/seduction | 29/12/11 02:14 AM |
| 1 | Is it better to avoid saying I'm a virgin, or to say it with confidence?Here's my take: you can do whatever the fuck you want in game if you have the right attitude, but roughly speaking, it's probably going to hurt you more than help you. The exception to this would be if you get really serious with a girl and start to genuinely fall in love. Being a virgin isn't something to be ashamed of, but it does tend to indicate that you haven't been successful and "preselected" by women in the past. That is, typically, considered a DLV. Hottie: "Omg imntodavid, you know jus… | /r/seduction | 29/12/11 02:08 AM |
| 3 | Is it better to avoid saying I'm a virgin, or to say it with confidence?Please tell me you're joking. | /r/seduction | 29/12/11 02:01 AM |
| 6 | Honest Question: Why Are You Here?I've dealt with anxiety for much of my life, much of it being "stage fright" kind of anxiety when speaking in groups or to certain people. Freshmen year of college, after dropping out of my public speech class, I did a "fuck this" and started throwing myself at things that terrified me. I ended up starting the speech club on campus, serving as governor of the county Toastmasters organization, and got into PUA. I'm still a far ways away from where I want to be, but PUA is one of the biggest forms… | /r/seduction | 27/12/11 07:57 AM |
| 2 | Are PUA products for beginners only?I'll have to check out Blueprint Decoded. I gotta admit, I've been trying to lay low on the "systems," but if you say it's gold, then maybe it's worth it. Once I started doing direct game, I feel like my overall game has turned much more natural. Going through all the steps, routines, DHV spikes, negs, and DQs is enough to make your head spin... But I will say, direct game does have a place and can definitely be effective, it's just more complicated than I like. | /r/seduction | 26/12/11 07:51 AM |
| 1 | SimplifyTotally agree. I spent waaaaay too long as a reader and keyboard jockey. Best to just GET THE FUCK OUT THERE and start approaching with the basic principles. And those basic principles can be learned in about 20 minutes with a google search. | /r/seduction | 25/12/11 07:41 PM |
| 2 | Are PUA products for beginners only?I've read more "systems" than I care to admit. Every single guru has a different formula that seems to be the polar opposite of the next guru's. Here's my take: if you want to get some basic ideas on opening and attraction, do a google search. There's a ton of free material online. Much better to get out there on the sidewalks, campuses, bars, and clubs. Just start opening. Make it your goal to become unafraid of rejection. If your goal is to fuck hotties right away, you may be in for a sobering… | /r/seduction | 24/12/11 09:49 PM |
| 1 | Direct approaches and why you should be doing themTouche, sir. Touche | /r/seduction | 22/12/11 05:52 AM |
| 1 | Direct approaches and why you should be doing themGood point, though I've noticed just about every girl is on to indirect game now-a-days XD Not like it really matters. If she's attracted, she'll go along with it. | /r/seduction | 21/12/11 04:40 AM |
| 1 | Direct approaches and why you should be doing themThe hottest girls know they're hot, but no, unless the guys are drunk, they are very rarely direct opened. Just an example: my sister is gorgeous, but I don't believe she's ever been direct opened in her ENTIRE LIFE. | /r/seduction | 21/12/11 01:49 AM |
| 1 | Direct approaches and why you should be doing themThat was a "functional" opener. Usually functional openers- like asking for directions, the time, or info on hot springs- aren't too effective unless you properly transition off the opener and onto a new string of conversation. The above opener worked great for the girl I ended up dating, but then again, she was brand new to the area. Just about any opener probably would have worked as she was dying to meet people XD but it still worked | /r/seduction | 21/12/11 01:48 AM |
| 3 | Direct approaches and why you should be doing themYou have to be high value for this to work, imo. Good thing is, only high value guys do direct approaches. Doing a direct approach is a huge DHV! If you look awesome and are funny, you're golden. | /r/seduction | 20/12/11 04:13 PM |
| 2 | Direct approaches and why you should be doing themI'd say that's my finding thus far: direct is GOLD during the day, slightly less effective for night game. | /r/seduction | 20/12/11 04:11 PM |
| 2 | Direct approaches and why you should be doing them"Hey, let me get your take on something! I'm headed out with some friends later to the hot springs in Malibu. I've hear they're awesome, but I've never been. What are they like? blah blah, how much are they? Oh my god, you are a trouble maker, I can tell." That was a pretty lame example, but it still got me a previous girlfriend haha. | /r/seduction | 20/12/11 04:10 PM |
| 1 | Direct approaches and why you should be doing themMaybe that's how it works for you, but putting a limit on either direct or indirect is going to put a limit on your game, imo. | /r/seduction | 20/12/11 04:08 PM |
| 1 | Direct approaches and why you should be doing themThat was good, man. I'm using it. | /r/seduction | 20/12/11 04:04 PM |
| 1 | Direct approaches and why you should be doing themI have to disagree there. Not blatantly hitting on the girl is a core aspect of indirect game, at least the type that most of the "experts" teach. It s the "not showing attraction to her until she shows interest first" part. I'm talking Mystery Method, Annihilation Method, and about 95% of the other "methods" out there. Direct game, on the other hand, is as blatant as you can be. | /r/seduction | 20/12/11 06:24 AM |
| 2 | Trying to schedule dates: "Are you free then? How about then? Then? What about then? Hello? Where did you go?"Totally agree with this. You are the prize. Asking a girl when she's free is instantly raising her value and lowering yours. | /r/seduction | 18/12/11 08:01 PM |
| 5 | Is it beta to meet women on Okcupid?I'd say there's a slight negative public perception of meeting someone online. Fact is, it doesn't necessarily mean you're beta, but there do tend to be a lot of beta males on there. If you're an Alpha male badass, you're just working the system for even better results! Try this: with the girls I've met online, once I get to know them I'll usually joke around about how we should say we met doing the most wildly awesome thing ever. "Hey, we should totally tell people we met at a masquerade party.… | /r/seduction | 18/12/11 12:03 AM |
| 5 | Seddit techniques working but no action/f-closeRamp up the kino waaay faster, imo. If you're making out with her at the jazz place, she's much MUCH more likely to want/beg to go back to your place. GREAT JOB on getting these girls to go to these places, but if major comfort and attraction was established, I think this would be a null issue. | /r/seduction | 17/12/11 08:56 AM |
| 2 | Trying to schedule dates: "Are you free then? How about then? Then? What about then? Hello? Where did you go?"What works for me: You (generally) don't try to fuck a girl after meeting her 10 minutes ealier. You have to build up some attraction and comfort. Likewise, it's the same with online dating. You don't go for the Day 1 until you've built up that level of attraction and comfort. So.... tease her and show your value through DHVs. THEN go for the phone number. Don't ask her to hang out over a private message. Try this: "You seem like someone I can trust, so here's my number: 867-5309. Txt me so I ha… | /r/seduction | 16/12/11 02:46 AM |
| 3 | I have AA, and no confidence. I've learned of the Game 1.5 years ago, but still have to approach. Help?There are two major philosophies in the PUA scene: direct and indirect. Indirect game is where you DO NOT let your intentions known to the "target" at first. In other words, you open her with a random question that ellicits interest in her: "Hey, let me get your take on something. My buddy and I are trying to decide what the difference between hot and cute is. What do you think?" Then you go through various stages of building attraction and value through humor, DHVs, stories, social proof, and s… | /r/seduction | 11/12/11 02:04 AM |
| 6 | First pseudo-FR, nothin too fancy, but feels good, man.Way to go, man! I get a rush from talking to random strangers too. Before I go out chasing skirt, I warm up by talking to anyone and everyone: old people, hired guns, random people on the sidewalk, wandering backpacker/homeless people haha. Way to go, keep pushing yourself. | /r/seduction | 11/12/11 01:57 AM |
| 3 | Will Online Dating Destroy Game for Average Guys?I once did an experiment on okcupid by creating a fake profile for a super-cute blonde college girl. Her pic was fucking ADORABLE. As I recall, within the first 8 hours, I had around 40 private messages. EVERY-SINGLE-MESSAGE was just sad, rambling messages. It made me feel incredibly sorry for the girls that have to deal with all these creepy, illiterate, needy guys. And it made me very happy, that my competition is so terrible XD | /r/seduction | 10/12/11 04:05 PM |
| 1 | I don't like to touch people unless I know preemptively that they are accepting to touching. What should I do?Could this be a contributing factor to why I have so little success with the opposite sex? -short answer, YES. Let me repeat that: YES! You can have all the game in the world, but if you're not escalating physically with the girl, you're going nowhere. The thing is ramping up physicallity very slowly. Kinda like heating her up to being physical. Check out the dicarlo escalation model for an idea. | /r/seduction | 10/12/11 03:57 PM |
| 1 | I have AA, and no confidence. I've learned of the Game 1.5 years ago, but still have to approach. Help?I have had a huge paradigm shift over the last few weeks which brought my AA down a lot. For about two years, I practiced indirect game just enough to get me a decent lineup of f-buddies, but it was always so damn difficult to go up to sets asking stock-opener questions. And really, the success rate is really, REALLY low unless you're good. I'm starting to go direct almost entirely. Watch the guys from simplepickup on youtube. The direct opens, for some reason, don't intimidate me nearly as much… | /r/seduction | 10/12/11 03:49 PM |
| 6 | My first full close. Tonnes of advice for new people inside.You have a lot of good points in here. I especially identify with the "honesty" part. One of the landmarks of the AFC is that they're never honest, they're always putting on this polite, not-wanting-to-offend-anyone bullshit. That's basically the antithesis of attraction, imo. On the other hand, being honest with the girl about how hard you're going to fuck her, and being assertive in your wants and desires is very attractive. Way to go on the f-close. Leave her better than you found her ;) | /r/seduction | 10/12/11 03:43 PM |
| 2 | How much fashion matters?If you have solid game, clothing won't matter all that much. Look at the guys from simplepickup. Ya, they can look fly, but in most of their videos, they dress very casual, nothing out of the ordinary. The don't-give-a-fuck attitude is more appealing than the clothing. The clothes are only going to add that extra boost of credibility and value, imo. So ya, dress good, but work on your inner game above all. | /r/seduction | 10/12/11 04:39 AM |
| 2 | Seddit, I used to cut swaths through the female herds, but lately, I can't screw a Phillips head.A. Find a wing in your area. Chase skirt. | /r/seduction | 06/12/11 03:35 PM |
| 2 | [sort-of-FR] Being result-independent feels great!Glad to hear you steamrolled into the kiss. I find it's usually better to go for it confidently than put it off for ages. | /r/seduction | 06/12/11 04:01 AM |
| 1 | Red-Haired guy in need of adviceDude, its not a problem. Tyler durden, despite the shitty rap he earned in 'the game,' is/was one of the top pua's in the world. Bright red hair, pale skin. Now go get em. | /r/seduction | 04/12/11 05:30 AM |
| 1 | What's up guys. I am a 16 year old that aspires to be a pick-up artist and I want your opinion's.Follow your interests, I say. Ya, stay in school and don't forget about your ambitions, but being a PUA instructor is a very possible goal. Just keep at it, keep practicing. Always leave them better off than you found 'em ;) | /r/seduction | 02/12/11 03:39 AM |
| 6 | Not new to sex but still nervous/scared to have it. Any help/tips/pointers would greatly be appreciated.Go down on the girl for 20 minutes, and learn how to get GOOD at it. I doubt she'll have any complaining after that! Other than that, just slow it down if you think you're going to... well, you know. Speed usually equals sensation. | /r/seduction | 30/11/11 04:19 PM |
| 1 | Stylelife anyone?I beat ROTG (in the sense that I get many dates before getting to day 30), but I kept going until I got up to Mission 21. It was very rewarding, and very challenging at the same time. I'd like to get to Mission 30. | /r/seduction | 30/11/11 02:26 AM |
| 14 | Didn't go as I plannedThe facebook things was a bad move, but you already know that. If it were me, I would have bounced to an insta-date right after the bar and upped the kino quick. If I didn't foresee a successful insta-date, number close. Call and text flirting, day 2, and so on. To answer your question: I would probably cut my losses and let her approach me if she wants. Don't chase, replace. Approaching *might work, but you've probably already lost a fair amount of value from the facebook thing. But no worries,… | /r/seduction | 29/11/11 04:17 PM |
| 5 | Forget Pick Up crap learn to hold interesting conversation it will do wonders for you. Being a conversationalistYou have some good counter points, but berating the poster kinda strips you of your credibility. | /r/seduction | 29/11/11 05:24 AM |
| 2 | Forget Pick Up crap learn to hold interesting conversation it will do wonders for you. Being a conversationalistI read How to Win Friends and Influence people, but I found myself trying SO HARD to live by the principles in the book, and I think it just came across as try hard. Yes, there are definitely some killer lessons in the book, but for me, I find being liked isn't such an easy formula. It's funny, some of the most likeable people I know hardly portray any of the principle outlined in Carnegie's book. My brother, for instance, is very well liked by just about everyone, but he goes about his life uno… | /r/seduction | 29/11/11 03:28 AM |
| 1 | /r/seduction, I started a blog documenting my own 30 Day Challenge.I'm on Mission 11... Got to 22, but then took a bit of a break so I'm redoing them all. Keep in mind: it will get very DIFFICULT. You've got to stick through the pain. And find a wing. Best of luck. | /r/seduction | 18/10/10 07:34 AM |
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