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That's normal. I think more finicky or systematic guys wind up have their tastes narrowed by it, but that's not all of them. Also, from what I've heard in conversation guys tend to watch less as they get older. I don't know why, maybe their sex drive drops, maybe its less realistic to them, maybe it doesn't hold a candle.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 11:41 PM
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Is my being turned on by their red faces objectifying? How could they eroticize me in any other way... they didn't even talk to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 11:34 PM
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No. I like blowing my husband. I don't have some sort of Linda Lovelace mix up with clit in my throat. I don't enjoy it in a tactile sense. It doesn't turn me on, although it can heighten arousal that's already present. My response to being turned on is not "I can't wait to blow my husband", however. It's "can't wait to get my clit serviced."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 11:32 PM
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I don't considering being visually appraised by men "objectified". I think that's a codified way of demonizing the male experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 11:28 PM
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The OP was discussing female sexuality as universally (or almost) masochistic. The question isnt if these people exist. I was positing a an explanation for female submission that covers a wider swath of women than those into kink. I can link articles that basically say the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 11:11 PM
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This sounds more like erotica in which you're scripting in the female's thoughts you want. She might just like getting spanked, and it has nothing to do with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 11:05 PM
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Bada bing
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 10:58 PM
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I just think its better to tread carefully because a lot of men here seem to think of women as pleasure givers, not pleasure receivers, like somehow their sexual pleasure is a derived from giving. They take the idea that men and women are different, and seem to think women are the reverse of them- they love being serviced sexually, women must hate it. The reality of couples, at least by time spent, is usually the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 10:54 PM
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I answered the same basic question a moment ago. I'm not really saying its wrong and I'm not saying there isn't give and take to a degree. I just question why somebody would give up pleasure for another, on an ongoing basis, or do things they don't like for the benefit of another, as a rule. It seems unhealthy to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 10:46 PM
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https://cdn.pegym.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/testosterone-graph.gif?de8fe5
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 10:43 PM
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Somebody being maladapted to exclusively be turned on my the suffering of others not being able to implement those fantasies in real life because anything short of limitless power leaves him... powerless? It's just so... karmic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 10:41 PM
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I can get that to a degree. But this doesn't sound like something you dislike, just something you don't prefer. If I want sushi and my husband wants pizza, we might order pizza. If I hated pizza it'd be different. I guess I don't agree with the idea in the abstract. I understand a mutually pleasure experience involves reveling in another's pleasure. But pleasure at the expense of mine, or exclusively providing pleasure isn't something I'd do unless I was getting paid for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 10:39 PM
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makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 10:20 PM
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Thats hot
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 10:19 PM
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He's ruined. Hes impotent at 24. There no fixing it. He cant signal the correct cocktail of desire and safety his SMV requires. He cant even get it up for christ sake. He's done. Let him have his opiates. Otherwise wed be in the Sudan and these guys would be machete-ing around
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 10:18 PM
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I guess I dont understand. Why would you like something just because somebody else likes it? Like how could somebody wanting something you dont want make you want it? That sounds like a lack of agency to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 10:16 PM
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Hair pulling feels good though. I like it with back rubs. It like scalp massage.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 10:06 PM
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A is me doing what I want. B is having what I want done to me. Thats the fundamental difference I see here. Everything else is window dressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:46 PM
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I don't know about that. I don't desire what a man desires because he desires it. I have agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:39 PM
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If this is a problem at 24, it wont get easier at 30. When your testosterone drops, whatever underlying lacking of potency you have now will only get worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:38 PM
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Let him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:35 PM
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You couldnt just start wailing on her or. If you choke her you couldn't just choke the life out of her. If women thought you "could" they probably wouldnt even be in the same room with you
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:19 PM
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When I suck a guys dick I'm one weak moment from biting it off.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:15 PM
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The don't think of it as dominance when the woman does it. But the simple act of penetrating a woman from behind, even if shes screams "fuck me, fucker" is him being dominant, because....?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:14 PM
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I did play. You werent listening, and want to continue to have your own conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:10 PM
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I gave you a more complete answer than I was asked for. stop trying to shoehorn me into a narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:48 PM
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Again, this is not the deciding factor in me sexually. Male desire is. I don't desire submission. It rarely enters my fantasies now and never did when my fantasies first emerged in a vacuum.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:33 PM
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I thinkexchanges like this are as much about riding the exhilaration of the "fight"; they can end either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:28 PM
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Thats tough because I never thought of it that way. You seem to think that I was inherently submissive and it was conditioned out of me by lack of orgasms. That's not whats going on here. Neither power roles are a major component of my sexuality. When I first began to masturbate, around 9, i didn't need to fantasize. The first fantasies I had, around 11, were as close to a cultural vacuum as I could ever hope to experience. I had never seen porn, I rarely heard dirty talk. I knew sex from a repr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:23 PM
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Money shot is a visual thing, in real life it contrived and silly. Why have sex if youre going to finish yourself off anyway? The silver lining is that these losers are becoming prematurely effectively impotent in DROVES. They might steal pleasure in their youth, but as soon as their T drops to no longer compensate they've robbed themselves. It'll be hilarious!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:14 PM
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The former. Nobody can consistently give me orgasms when they are in full control. They can sometimes if they've been conditioned for it over a period of time. If men preform vaginal sex the way they want its either too short or they wind up switching positions too frequently or they focus too much of friction as opposed to pressure. Even cunnilingus usually requires some re-articulation here and there because my sensitivity and taste can change day to day.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:07 PM
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If you continue to be nice to men, they will take it for granted. Their default state is pretty nice, but that doesn't mean they'll do what you actually want and serve your needs. Theres a difference between getting a man to give you a lift a few times and getting him to meet your needs on an ongoing basis. In the beginning, the underlying sexual prospect is enough of a carrot. Long term, its not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:03 PM
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No amount of arousal can completely shield the cervix from overexcited jack hammering.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 07:58 PM
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RPW will tell women that niceness will be uniformly rewarded, and if it isn't--either let it go or next. This is half-assed advice that assumes men are either benevolent or don't had a reward system wired for some degree of challenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 07:52 PM
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My true sexual awakening began when I tried acting more dominant in bed. I learned to orgasm more consistently when I began to "take" my own orgasms. Most of my sex life doesn't involve overt power plays at all. Sometimes I like it when my husband takes charge. But when we act out a soft power exchange I dominate more often. I'm not a domme though, I don't identify with contrived symbols of power or any scenes. I also don't derive any satisfaction from hurting people or pushing boundaries. I jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 07:49 PM
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If you perceive sex as something women "give" to you, then it no wonder they don't. Women aren't giving machines. If anything, most of the sexual act, IRL, is comprised of the man pleasuring the woman. Step up your game.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 07:35 PM
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My fear is that when they discuss "dominance" it always devolves into a conversation resembling mass produced porn of the gaggy blow job, 2 minutes of vaginal, 10 minutes of anal, money shot variety. Then when women come to say they like dominance, they retrieve viewership memories without context, nuance, foreplay, female pleasure, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 07:30 PM
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Yes, and the fantasy entails her actual tactile pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 07:20 PM
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I don't know what men discuss among themselves, but all of the men I have dated have liked when I take initiative and tell them exactly how to please me. I don't think many men get to experience the feeling of animating another person with lust, so it's a great change of pace for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 07:15 PM
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I don't like pain in my sex. I'm not a naturally sensuous person, it takes effort me to connect my body and mind through pleasure. Anything uncomfortable completely sidelines any progress made in that process. Women like "dominance" as you describe because it is interpreted as an expression of male desire. The underlying thought process is that man is SO attracted to her that he must have her. Male desire is intoxicating to women, so long as it fits comfortably within the parameters of what she …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 07:09 PM
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I went through a phase of being nice to guys hoping that they would reciprocate, and they don't. It's best to start slightly kinder than neutral, enough that there is enough room for swing but you arent off-putting or intimidating. You reward good behavior with kindness. But if you are too kind all of the time, the reward cannot be perceived by men because they require more overt communication. The way men respond to something as simple as smiling is otherworldly. But if you do this all the time…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 06:53 PM
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Liked the links. I don't see how this connects to relationship dynamics though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 05:51 PM
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Been there, done that. With guys I have known for years. Being direct but measured. Stuff like:you're obese, don't expect to date thin women or facially you aren't that handsome, why dont you give a plain jane a chance? And I could tell they knew it, they just were holding onto this fantasy that it didn't apply to them or that accessibly attractive girl just happens to be into receding hairlines and fatness etc
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 05:05 PM
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Same except I was bad combination of bitchy and introverted. I'm still a bitch, but I hide it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 05:00 PM
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Queue a few dozen incel-ish treads that don't contain the word incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 04:54 PM
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I find human behavior fascinating. I never fully identified with my liberal SWPL peers or with conservatives who tend to be religious and uneducated. I saw a lot of "Red Pill" thinking emerging online about a decade ago, and found it interesting. Even then, many of these writers were clearly disenfranchised men; some of them were seeking power they did not deserve, and creating rationalizations for deserving it. Others were legitimately unbiased and measured in their thinking. Since then, the fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 04:46 PM
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I don't understand what youre saying, if there are feminine ways of achieving dominance, then how is dominance an inherently masculine trait?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 04:34 PM
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If by submissive you mean subverting ones desires for somebody else's or doing something because you're told, then no, women are not like that, nor should they be. Aggression and dominance are not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 04:04 PM
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I agree about the gender as complete social construct idea. They hate the idea of biological sex there. However, anybody who tells you women are inherently submissive is probably selling something or trying to be a "cool girl"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 03:45 PM
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Ok, so conceding that some men will never build a noticeable amount of lean mass without supplements, regardless of their physical activity..... who cares? Lifting will make you stronger without gaining mass (I'm a woman who's lucky to get 1 lb a month in beginner gains, my lifts still go up when I resume lifting) Lifting has hormonal and physiological benefits. Lifting keeps your bones healthy and slows muscle loss as result of aging. Dude, not everything in life revolves around being attractiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 02:46 PM
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TBP obviously has a feminist slant, and there is social capital to be gained there from bringing up alternative lifestyles, new gender categories, etc. It just isn't in their official charter. You can get downvoted there for being too moderate on gender issues, however, so long as the posts aren't trolly or abusive you'll never get banned or deleted. If people can't handle the losing the online popularity contest they should just get off the internet; nobody likes anybody on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 02:41 PM
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Wear you hair nicely and keep your bmi somewhere between 18 and 22, depending on your build. You'll be above 60-75% of women unless your face is straight up deformed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 06:46 PM
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25-28ish, physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 02:17 PM
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Marisa Tomei was 44 in the wrestler. I cant link the scene I'm thinking of here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 12:11 AM
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All shape wear. Her face is objectively nice though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 12:07 AM
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Yes these men pick up 22 hippie girls at festivals. That's their market. Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 12:02 AM
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You interested in learned the SECRET to paying off your mortgage by next year???!!!???!!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 12:00 AM
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Not only is she wearing makeup, shes wearing colored contacts in a couple of pictures. A lot of desi girls do, and it looks like cataracts.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 11:57 PM
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Do you want some tips for how to pull off this kind of look cheaply? It's not really about brand or cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 11:11 PM
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Most men don't know designers. The look youre described can be done much more frugally than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 11:08 PM
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I think now that courtship and coupling has been delayed in both genders, products and services that promote a youthful look in both men and women will increase, albeit not at the same rate
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 10:40 PM
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Unless he has drugs. Thats the only explanation I can think of.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 06:16 PM
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If 10% of trailer trash girls are "hot" (thats being generous) then like 40% of the SWPL "career cunts" are hot. I think men conflate nakedness to hotness too readily.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 06:15 PM
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Theyll all look like shit one day anyway though, and so will you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 05:08 PM
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The times I've seen this it was a single mother, who maybe commuted, not a "college girl" in the conventional sense. These girls cant party and they cant bring their 3 year old to some hovel where 6 guys live on pizza.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 05:02 PM
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The only girls I knew who dated older men were out of dorms, so junior or older, typically. By older men, I mean 25-30. Sometimes older guys were turn up at parties, but they tended to be there to consume or sell drugs. The only older guys I met at that age were from work, and those guys were career servers/bartenders. Nothing wrong with that, but not what I was looking for in the father of my children. Many of them were on coke heads or drank too much. You can make good money in that line of wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 04:59 PM
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If you pursue men, how to you know which ones like to best and will do more for you? Do you vet them more thoroughly after?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 04:38 PM
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The point is you did this out of necessity. Heterosexual women dont need to do this with regards to attracting men. Generally speaking, people don't do things they dont have to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 03:36 PM
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Somebody can be good company without being attractive enough to fuck. And if they want to pay for the opportunity to fuck you, why should you stop them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 03:34 PM
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I know ones who do. I'm dont think men should pay because of what women spend. I think men should pay because it demonstrates the potential for self-sacrifice and how much he likes the woman in question. The makeup was just an illustration.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 01:45 PM
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I know
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 03:52 AM
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Of course not I was broke.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 03:25 AM
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I hate beer snobs. Drink scotch if you have such great taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 03:04 AM
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Yeah, dont listen to what they say. They wack off to 26 year old "teens" everyday
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 03:02 AM
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Twerps are talking about the age at which is becomes harder to insert a woman into their power fantasy, not when she starts to look bad. A woman can look bad at any point. The groomed thin ones I know usually lose it between 40-45. Some women can look "sexy" or "handsome" after that point, but "attractive" is not the right word for it. White one is 45ish Black one is somewhere between 35 and 65
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 02:59 AM
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Everybody knows black dont crack.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 02:54 AM
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I haven been on a first date since I was 21 so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 02:52 AM
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Miller High Life for Everybody!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 02:28 AM
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I think assuming she doesn't date 20 year olds and day laborers its much more than $50.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 02:24 AM
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Cost to have makeup applied plus tip is at least $50. You spend $50 on a date? Where do you go, Applebee's?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 02:18 AM
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I am supposed to say I don't like it when people pay? That men who like you pay for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 11:40 PM
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Read through my comments. Do I look like I'm pandering to men? Go to RPW if you wanna see that
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 11:28 PM
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People look different in print and posed than in person. I was 18 BMI at my wedding and the pictures looked acceptable to me. I hate pictures of myself. When we went on our honeymoon there were mirrors everywhere in the hotel room, and my body looked bad. My husband even commented on my back/spine. And that's barely underweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 05:55 PM
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I think 3 dimensionally they prefer over 20 bmi, in print its like 16 or 17 with boob contouring photo shopped on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 05:09 PM
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Right and then you date them and gain 10lb they like it. When you lose 15 they don't. At least in my limited experience. I dont know why
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 05:03 PM
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So now what Im saying is correct, just for certain women. At least we're making progress.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 03:03 PM
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I come from a line of mechanics who got into more white collar work about a generation ago. Kinda like Mona Lisa Vito. I know how to do all that stuff. I don't stop to help. The one time I did the guy seemed uneasy about it and refused my help.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 03:02 PM
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That man would still need to create some sort of context and flip my switch for 10 minutes. The final 5 minutes before I come my eyes are closed anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 02:58 PM
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The common theme with these situation is not that men stop to help women. Its that more men will stop to help than women will, regardless of who got the flat. My husband is hopeless with cars, and every time he's had a flat or needed a jump 2 to 3 men roll up to help.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 02:53 PM
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My weight has swung by 10 lbs or more with two men I've dated. They both preferred me at a slightly higher weight. I get hit on more (by white guys) the thinner I get. I can't make sense of it. The only thing I can think of naked vs clothed or touch vs appearance. Either way, I like myself at a 19 BMI, men I've been with prefer 21 BMI or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 02:50 PM
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No I'm not. Women don't just get wet for men who are sufficiently attractive. I'm a woman, I love giving guys on here flack for their looks. Believe me, if it was 100% about looks I'd be shouting it from the mountain tops. You and I have one thing in common: we've both have 2 female lovers. The variation between these two women I've been with is more than any two men. And not obvious stuff like fast, hard rough, or soft slow, sweet. Meticulous little things in the space of millimeters that make …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 02:48 PM
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Youre bypassing what I'm saying, not addressing it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 02:35 PM
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lack the communication skills to tell the men they are sleeping with how to get them off is their concern, not mine. Agree. The issue I was bringing up, is contrary to the selfish trope, which might be less widespread than women claim (personally I've never experienced it) 1) not all woman communicate that in the beginning, especially young ones, because they have this fucked up idea they need to be "fun" and "easy" in the bedroom. 2) Even if they do communicate this, an new unskilled lover (or …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 02:28 PM
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So all those studies about women needing foreplay, about women not orgasm much of the time, those are lies? How old are you? How many sexual partners have you had?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 02:12 PM
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This is a complete projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 01:48 PM
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Shes probably on medications that makes her not hungry. When you arent hungry, its uncomfortable to eat. For the record, I responded to adderall the same way. Im usually around the same BMI, and got down to what she described. I got hit on by white guys more often. But I looked shitty without clothes on. My tits looked like theyd been through pencil sharpeners.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 01:38 PM
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I got my husband to wear tinted spf (which is basically the same as my bb cream, just branded differently) when he was on a retin-a regime for some acne scarring. He hated the idea, and then loved the results. Nobody could tell, and his eyes looked more open and young. I think theres a very good chance skin care and bb type creams are going to become popular for men, especially now the age of sex symbols in media has started to favor a more youthful look in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 01:37 PM
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Half agree. A thin woman is equivalent to a fit man, not a thin man. Skinny pointdexters are equivalent to soft, slightly overweight women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 01:33 PM
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I based this off of my age, which is 29. Most 29 year old men are not bald. If I was doing "average" age they'd both be 20 years older
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 01:28 PM
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orgasms derives mainly from how the guy looks and there are very few hot men in the world. This is absolute nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 01:25 PM
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And if they do hate it, they're insane. I wouldnt say they hate it, but they dont do it technically for pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 01:24 PM
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Both are 50th percentile weight at average height
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 02:40 AM
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late 20s US white. Height weights based on data I found here average woman body average womans face average mans face & body average man face
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 01:30 AM
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which age group, which country, which race
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 12:56 AM
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Is the average woman seen as more attractive Yes she's a woman and men are likely to have sex with any passable looking woman? Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 12:51 AM
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If a dude is fucking a 300 lbs chick he's not settling out of thirst. He has a fetish. Sometimes good looking men have that fetish. Fucking a 160 lb woman when you want a 120lb is not the same thing. Sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 12:05 AM
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Even if the guy is hot, even if she hasn't had sex in months, even if he is a patient lover, even if she is confident and forward enough to give all the "upper right quadrant through the hood faster slower hard slower" instructions, there is a good chance she isn't going to get in the right head space with a new partner to reach the point of truly enjoying it, especially if she doesn't know him from adam. Women on here bring up the selfish lover concept a lot, and it's not without merit, but it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 11:52 PM
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Long enough that I know its not entirely about my looks or sex. Soon enough that I feel like the guy wants me badly enough. 2-3 meaningful interactions. In this instance, ask to study with her. Do this maybe twice with mild flirtation covertly mixed in. Then ask her out. At a "real" job this is usually a bad idea, unless its a big company an you are a department removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 11:15 PM
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You should be able to get to a BMI of 25ish with calorie counting, and maintain a decent shape on lifting 45 minutes 3-4 time a week. You're prematurely bald, so I think youll max out at about a 6. There's nothing wrong with your face though, so its kind of a waste that youve become such a slob. Guys on here get a little dramatic with the transformation stuff, but if youre not having success, and its clear what the reason is, either stop complaining or do something about it. If you can get it up…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 05:48 PM
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Agreed. If somebody isn't enthusiastic about pleasing you its never a good sign.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 05:36 PM
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Because skinny fit women dont see you as a threat to their social status
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 01:44 PM
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You didnt mention you were balding and didnt know how to dress. But yeah, I think that girl is slightly better looking than you, but on looks alone shed be attainable assuming your were courting her etc. That benig said, youre the type of guy that followed me around 13-18, and no, I'm not overweight. That's why I usually assume dudes like you are trying to punch above your weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 01:28 PM
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Great. The average of that is about your league, assuming youre being honest. Now, by your league, I mean you still have court these women, express desire for them, etc. Just because they women are fat doesn't mean there going to throw themselves at you.... youre also fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 01:24 PM
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Slightly, in my opinion, but its not like the obsese guy gets a thin chick. thats what his problem seems to be
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 01:22 PM
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http://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-income-taxes-on-middle-income-families-remain-near-historic-lows
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 04:26 AM
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I'm a white woman who married a jew | <------------- Dont forget to show your love V
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 04:03 AM
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Friends are never going to say point blank youre a fat guy punching above your weight. <<< Pun>> I would say a guy with a bmi of 31-32 is about the same as a woman with a bmi of 28-29 all else being equal, assuming he doesnt have a lower body fat % than his weight would indicate. oure obese, btw, and while exemptions exist it doesnt sound like youre one of them. This is your league based on average height from what I can tell: http://www.mybodygallery.com/search.html?gender=female&height=165&age…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 03:58 AM
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Yes youve won over a good amount of poor and working class white men. $$ is the most powerful force in the world. Youd need that if you want women to follow you
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 03:50 AM
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No, its the worse possible feature. Combined with an overbite and/or prognathism, itll ruin everything else
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 03:42 AM
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Seth Rogan has a nice face. So you'd be okay with a woman of similar bmi? Whats your height and weight? Body fat percentage?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 03:40 AM
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David Duke fancifction wank material about abducting women and keeping harems won't help. Not like I feel obligated to help, but when stormfront is full of Sudan type harem fantasies dont expect women, especially conservative family oriented ones to give a shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 03:39 AM
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No. I have found plenty of Indians guys, particularly Gujarati guys hot in my life. I like Southern Europeans and nonwhite Caucasians in general. I think Persians who dont look clubified genuinely attractive. This guy had a hoof mouth and no chin.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 03:33 AM
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What is it with dudes and pretty guys with wide jaws?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 03:31 AM
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Middle class people could have 4 kids and still live off of one income in a paid off house in the period of time
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 03:15 AM
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Have an upvote
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 03:15 AM
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What do you think the gender ratio is among white nationalists?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 03:14 AM
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Also introducing friends in a flattering way. " hey this is John, he holds the record for bench press in the state of X" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 03:13 AM
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Maybe thats your looksmatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 03:11 AM
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Ahh
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 10:12 PM
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Just cause a man is slightly less attractive than you doesnt mean you grit your teeth through sex with him, unless he uses the sgm or some nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 10:11 PM
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I dont know what this conversation is about anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 10:09 PM
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Youre kind of contradicting that "women never date down" in attractiveness thing though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 08:41 PM
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I saw a stat online that a starting salary for a general practitioner was about that much. I wasn't talking about somebody in a specialty or somebody established. I could be wrong though. Either way, I know a couple of doctors, if they're ugly, they're with plain, albeit thin women, not 8/10. The good looking ones are with women slightly better looking, not models. Edit: I was saying they dont value looks that much. Guys on here think once they get a good job they'll be able to date hot women tw…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 08:39 PM
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Hypergamy refers to women marrying up class-wise. This has been encouraged in girls in traditional societies. Women prefer to marry a man with economic parity or a man who makes more. Anybody who denies this is willfully stupid, yes. I take issue with TRP using hypergamy as a catch-all to refer to woman exercising any form of discretion or choice. I find men often invest an disproportionate amount of effort towards women significantly more attractive than themselves (the oft quoted okcupid data …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 08:21 PM
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Right. It just isn't settling if he's better looking than her. You don't see couples where the women is better looking? I feel like most couples I see the woman is about a point above the man. Most of the guys I know who are perpetually single are in denial about their looks match.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 08:10 PM
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Ok, so in all these couples the woman is never better looking than the man? How is she "settling" for somebody who has looks parity with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 08:04 PM
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Why do you talk day and night about how women settle for men they arent attracted to, and then come and say this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 07:54 PM
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Physical attractiveness, mostly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 07:45 PM
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I think your perception of relative attractiveness between men and women is a little catawampus, and this explains a lot of you comments on these sorts of threads.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 07:35 PM
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Yeah the example seemed to imply a girl dating a guy through medical school and residency, which is 7-11 years in the US without any mention of marriage. I would take that as a red flag, personally, regardless of the economic factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 07:26 PM
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A lot of men exclusively date women more attractive than themselves, they just fuck women less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 07:22 PM
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I could see that. The example is flawed for a couple of reasons: the demand for a medical resident is as high as for a doctor. A medical resident is younger and hotter, and its not like doctors work leisurely hours unless they have their own practice, which most wont, starting out especially. Guys on here really overestimate how making a good living is going to net them a chick proportionally hotter than themselves. If the guy is a fit 6/10 he might be able to get a 8/10 by virtue of his career.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 07:13 PM
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Why would she believe him?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 07:03 PM
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No its not wrong. The woman in the doctor example should have married him before then. Like these guys are finishing their residency in their early 30s. If he didn't want to marry her by (med school through residency is like 7-10 years depending) then she's an idiot for sticking around, because he wouldn't have wanted her either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 06:54 PM
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That's hilarious. I was talking about OkCupid and Match.com
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 06:47 PM
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He has no chin, that really bothers me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 06:47 PM
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Not all women who say that are crazy, some are just tall themselves. Wanting a man taller than you is pretty universal. Otherwise I agree with you. If you go on a lot of online manosphere forums there are mega threads and articles about unattractive women who makes demands in terms of height and money on their online dating profiles. I'm not saying these women don't exist, but these are cherry picked results that create the illusion that all or most women in online dating have these requirements…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 04:53 PM
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He isn't ugly, but decent-looking is kind of a stretch. You should watch "Shy Boys"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 04:48 PM
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Why do I care how white trash I'll never meet speak?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 04:36 PM
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53.76 I kept a tally behind the bar
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 04:09 PM
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I used the pull out method for about a 2 year stretch with 2 different guys. With my schedule and lifestyle I was never consistent with anything at that age, least of all birth control. Other than involuntary pre-ejaculate these guys were pretty consistent. I also prefer to be on top, so that might have helped too. I dunno. I did get tested for STDs between sexual partners and also whenever I had a UTI or yeast infection that didn't go away from OTC methods. Sometimes I worry I can't get pregnan…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 03:14 PM
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Men at night clubs/ bars lie about their age all the time. I used to bar tend, so I'd card and know. The amount of guys who are 40, think they look 25, and tell girls theyre 28 is astounding. And to be honest, I've seen men do this more than women. If age was an asset for men like you suggest, they'd have no reason for doing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 03:02 PM
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He's pumping a lot of his money back into the economy with his extraneous spending. More than his parents who made that money did. So theres that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 02:37 AM
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Clearly a coke party with aspiring models. I talk a lot of shit on sluts, but the reality is, slutty friends are worth their weight in coke. You can go to situations similar to this (relative to your level of attractiveness and social standing) and sluts will uphold the implicit sexual expectations while you can drink snort and smoke to your hearts content.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 12:10 AM
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I would suck this guys dick for a chance to play him heads up. My husband hates this guy and he loved the idea. We could get strangers on 2+2 to finance it. Don't hate on arrogant douchebags.... exploit them
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 12:03 AM
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The only difference pre and post feminism is that these chicks are willing to get their picture taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 12:02 AM
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Makes sense. I thought about 50% of y haplogroups were european and 90% mitochondrial was european. also check the samples with these studies, ive seen kohanim studies yielding a politically desirable results being conflated with all jews.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 10:11 PM
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Why do they look like weak chinned Ukrainians then?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 09:53 PM
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I'm saying those regular therapeutic doses get higher as tolerance grows, and get pretty fucking high. I'm not saying there are people whose symptoms arent far enough from normal that its justifiable to medicate them. But if childhood behavior being pathologized + "my kid is smarter than his grades" which parents and ADHD suffers alike love to believe I think its normal to be cynical.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 08:56 PM
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I knew people who started as children and were up to 30 mg IR 3 times a day in college. They sold about half of it, but this dose exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 08:38 PM
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You don't think taking amphetamines long term would have any negative effects? Look I could understand when some people aren't as smart, and their parents need the kid to succeed so they give them something that makes them as smart as other people. Or if the kid is average and the parent is very status oriented when it comes to academics. But I don't see how, since the dose has to be titrated, and as adults these people are far from hyperactive and still cant function without psychostimulants, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 07:56 PM
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This shit gives people serotonin syndrome. So when they get to an age where their symptoms would be manageable, they still need psychostimulants to function because their synapses are garbage now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 06:34 PM
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I agree with this. Im 29, when I went to college 11 years ago most of the kids with ADHD were upper middle class kids of average intelligence, whose parents felt they had "so much potential". Psychostimulants "worked" at making them more focused and better at school work, proving they had ADHD all along. By 18, those kids were on 90mg of adderall a day, so they had plenty to spare. Now everybody does this, especially for kids with co-morbid "impulse control empathy deficiency disorder" because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 06:17 PM
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I watch a lot of Maury on my days off. It might be my lifetime favorite show. I like the "Is it a Man or a Woman pageants" I used to be good at those, but nowadays hormones have superseded my Trans-dar That being said, 90% of Maury is paternity tests. I always found it fascinating how welfare class people dont want to be the father, dont want to be around the kid, get upset when the kid is theirs, and rejoice when the search has to continue for the bastard kids father. Even the working class see…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 03:44 PM
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I think the distribution of male tastes across the breast spectrum is not as linear as you think. How large breasts look pushed up and with prtions carefully shown is like how Christina Hendricks looks in shapewear. Its "breasts" in the abstract sense, not what youll wind up getting when you actually get into bed together.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 03:22 PM
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Who said these comments were negative? Technically I measure as 30C. My adult weight has averaged around 112 lbs. A couple of guys have said "no way youre a C, your boobs arent that big". Men don't know how bras work. Men also think I weight "like 100 lbs". Men don't know shit about women's bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 03:00 PM
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I dont have big breasts. I have gotten so many compliments about my breasts over the years I cant even go into detail. The only men who have ever described them as small were white trash plebs that date borderline fat chicks with top heavy chicken-leg bodies. Fetishizing superfluous secondary sexual characteristics is how fat proles distract themselves from how fat their partners are. Its the fast food of body attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 04:24 AM
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Stop making me upvote you skooby doo youre killing my buzz
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 04:12 AM
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You're overestimating the importance of breast size by a huge amount. Sounds like you have a complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 04:09 AM
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Yeah, but I don't think flat chested women run into the same issues regardless of where you put the height bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 11:47 PM
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I think 5'7" is when guys start to run into issues, but I don't think its the death sentence incels make it out to be
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 11:37 PM
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I agree that vocal minority of men and women talk about height/cup size that way. This creates the illusion that it matters more than it does. The extent of the comparison ends there. Women prefer men on the taller end of average, and women universally prefer men who are taller than themselves. Men, on the other hand, don't universally prefer large breasts. Weight is like 70-80% of a woman's bodily attractiveness, followed by her WHR and overall shape. I wouldn't say height is a large percentage…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 11:20 PM
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i order 200 dollars in groceries biweekly, with a 16 dollar delivery/personal shopper charge. Most produce, other than bagged salad, should last 1-2 weeks. 30% of that 200 is cleaning supplies, toiletries and other things you'd get from the grocery store. I make meals comparable to blue apron, with fewer carbs. That amount covers 5 dinners a week, 10 packed lunches a week, 2 weekend brunches, coffee, snacks, etc. I think people's true home economics skills must be pretty poor to think blue apron…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 08:26 PM
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My grandfather used to insist on cooking everything he fished. If there was a dish from his region, he always claimed he had to make it,, because my grandmother would fuck it up. Then they would argue in their respective dialects, instead of standard Italian, as an extra little fuck you to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 08:22 PM
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had a handy dandy jar of it though, haha shivers Glorified ketchup might need a food processor if i end up being a regular subscriber Put batches of onions, celery and carrots in the processor, about 2lbs of each at a time. Saute and freeze. This is the basis on any soup or roast. After mirepoix, all your need is broth and chicken. For a really lazy fix, most groceries stores will have a generic mix of "soup vegetables" which is usually mirepoix, with okra, sometimes green beans. Add sundried to…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 08:20 PM
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The shopping and meal planning I can understand. Especially buying for one. A lot of produce gets wasted. But even with the waste produce, blue apron still costs a shit ton more money
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 08:13 PM
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"Permanent" monogamy is a sacrifice for women too. Getting laid on a regular basis is relative. You see these guys calling weekly sex with babies and toddlers and two people working 50+ hours a week a dead bedroom. And it's doubtful most of them pull more than once week. Hell, even once a month. The thing about men is psychologically, they are inclined to think they can always do to better. Merps really do think the winking waitress wants them. It's also why I think they feel so comfortable with…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 08:03 PM
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I've never seen it as a woman's thing, and my family was pretty traditional. Most chefs are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 07:54 PM
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This is exactly what I've been saying, but they are just too committed to portraying this internet persona that "pulls" enthusiastic, not inebriated, attractive women on a weekly basis. And then incorporates her into his soft harem without any obfuscation for a sustainable period of time. Even the Chads they adore/revile don't live like that, the closest they come is Greek/Athlete life in college.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 07:50 PM
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Does it matter if a woman is a bitch and mistreats her husband? After all, he wouldn't be with her if she wasn't attractive. Therefore, her being attractive is the only thing that "matters"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 07:42 PM
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Looks like you two are pretty attracted to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 07:39 PM
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Could you explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 07:27 PM
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If you can make spaghetti and sauce how do you not know how to make soup? A friend of mine just got blue arpon and it was like a pack of herbs that she put in a fish that was already dressed, and a rub for the outside. It even came with a little pat of butter. How would somebody be so unimaginative to need that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 07:26 PM
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Poor women often dont marry and live with their mothers, who are often retired and wind up taking care of the kid. Rich women have few concerns in the area. Middle class women (a shrinking group anyway) are the ones that have the real problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 07:22 PM
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No-fap is borderline superstitious.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 03:39 PM
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There are a number of factors. You need to be more present during sex, the sensations arent as perfect as the ones you create yourself. Men who cant get laid will probably never have sex with the average porn quality girl either, their equivalent is fat women and they tend resent that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 03:30 PM
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I seriously dont understand how boys or girls can reach like 16-18 years old and "not know how to cook". I dont even know what that means. What did there parents feed them? Were they always hungry at meal times? Did they never get a night home alone? As far as the sportier cooking, I can understand why not everybody wants to make osso bucco every night. I guess what I'm saying is that knowing how to cook is not a big deal, it s a basic life skill that doesn't deserve special credit. Not knowing …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 02:37 PM
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It is? Every man in my family can cook and does so with bravado.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 12:42 PM
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If multiple women want them, sure. They will need more man slaves though per family then though
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 12:41 PM
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Because they become desensitized, and dont have a real life template to measure the increasingly bad stuff against
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 12:40 PM
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Is women fucking chads more attractive than them good for the market?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 01:58 AM
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These women were telling the truth. Like had never baked a chicken or made tomato sauce.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 01:36 AM
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Theres no need to trick a man into doing this. If he loves you, like really loves, he will pretty much do whatever to make you happy. That's how they are built. It's their nature. Men who want a stay at home wife are not that rare Depending on where you live and how much you make, it might not even be that big of sacrifice financially. In some cases, it saves money.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 12:26 AM
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I have seen RPW brag about learning how to make home made mac n cheese at 30, and needing a recipe for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 10:05 PM
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He would marry this woman at about 21 for example. Both would get each other during their best years. And they'd have the opportunity to grow and adapt to each other. People are more adaptable when young.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 09:40 PM
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Virtually every non fat 18 year old is pretty
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 09:30 PM
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It makes me sense for a 28 year old man to be married to a 28 year old woman. If 18 year olds are fucking him for free, without marriage on the horizon, this is bad for the market, much like Chads fucking 5/10s.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 09:29 PM
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Female youth should not be wasted on much older men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 09:23 PM
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If you dont do the dishes, I'm going to kill myself
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 09:22 PM
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I have legitimately heard women brag about being unable to cook. I have never heard men brag about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 09:21 PM
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I'm not telling you, I'm telling them. That way, we all can get the most good-looking years out of our partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 09:19 PM
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Or how the homeless deliberately pee on themselves for protection
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 09:15 PM
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Im saying if you dont wear undies, the days of your 501s are numbered. Unless you like the crotch extra stiff
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 09:02 PM
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So you think those crazy girls have only behaved that way with you? Why? Because they say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 08:05 PM
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Not for people who hate underwear, thats for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 08:01 PM
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Right. Consider the women who make you play pussy hero for the first few times to the ones that seem to scream and cum at the drop of a hat and want you to be more extreme. Which ones realistically, are being honest? TRP makes it about how much the women is attracted to them, because they are the absolute center of everybody's actions, people aren't really agent beings in the mind of a twerp.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 07:57 PM
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I'm not sex positive, I think a lot of those women have problems. I think a lot of women fake because they want to be perceived as exciting, or they are acting out some bad mental models. I think this is self-evident when the honeymoon period is over, and these women begin to act "crazy"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 07:41 PM
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if thats the way that you want it, thats the way I want it more
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 07:12 PM
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I actually did incredibly well, mostly because I put a lot of time into grooming and do lots of little service things around the house. I lost points on demeanor and disposition mostly, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 07:10 PM
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Theres no dread game in the man's quiz, fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 06:30 PM
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I wonder if having you stocking seams uneven is the same penalty as using heroin
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 06:02 PM
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Me too. My plan is to work full time while my husband finishes his MBA at an Ivy, and then have kids and do part time work. I'm under no illusions that this will work out perfectly. That being said, my brother supports a family of 5 on only 75k, and lives in a state with very high insurance rates and property taxes. It's possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 05:50 PM
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Sorry I came across the way I did too. That being said, accepting drinks, dates, favors, when you ARE single, is the best way to find a giving man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 05:16 PM
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Ultimately, most men don't want to have sex with someone who doesn't want them, but when they get desperate, they try to tell themselves that she wants them. I agree. I don't think every sexual assault is a sociopathic planned attack on women. I also think undesirable men have less of a concept or precedent for genuine female desire, so they are less adept at knowing the difference. It is well known from studies that men project their own desires onto women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 04:47 PM
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I think the degree and universality to which women "like it rough" is incredibly overstated, particular by men who are power posturing over the internet. A lot of women like "dominance" insofar as they are recipients or pleasure that are acted upon. This assumes the acts being imposed upon them are pleasurable, and these acts are reflections of insatiable desire on the man's part, not done out of contempt for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 04:44 PM
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I think feminism has its problems. I don't consider myself a feminist. But I do not think feminism is responsible for reactionary movements like TRP. I think this is largely to do with the economic disenfranchisement of men, and their current position relative to women being out of touch with how they are conditioned to perceive themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 04:33 PM
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Eh, I don't know how many men stuffed their dicks in their wives dry vaginas, even when it was allowed. Im sure some did, I'm just saying most probably tried other shit first.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 04:29 PM
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or when premarital sex was harder to come by (although extramarital relations were much higher than was "reported") Women undermine the market for other women by making sex without marriage or even commitment a given for men. The only reason to marry is to provide a secure economic platform for children. If women generally dont want to fuck you, what makes you think your wife would want to fuck you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 04:23 PM
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Most women dont work high paying jobs, most are have "middle class" jobs for working class pay, like most men do. At this point, either find a man who splits domestic tasks while you both work (and this is hard hard hard to do) or find a man who makes the household income for you area on his own. Otherwise, women are getting screwed. I don't care if some men get left in the dust, women should be instructed to work towards there own imperatives. We train them to be too sacraficial. Like you, thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 04:20 PM
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Theres subreddits and ted talks about this. I met my husband when he was a virgin, he was a pretty light user of pornography, he was open to learning how to have sex properly. He also had plenty of experience with other girls outside of PIV, it was just his HS girlfriend was very conservative and didn't want to. However, I know plenty of stories from other girls from college who tried it with new guys and they never made an attempt to please them, and even tried to hurt them, thinking women actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 04:14 PM
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it gives them ample to delve deeper into garbage and become wired for it, rather than wired for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 04:08 PM
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A man who gets married for sex is an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 04:08 PM
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Commitment, service, devotion, etc etc etc. Submitting to a man who cant even pay for everything (so you have to work) who doesnt do housework or take care of children. It makes no sense. Its like telling women to be happy with losing cause men will like them best. Its something only somebody with low self esteem would fall for. Its worse than hooking up with strangers, because its signing up for a lifetime of thankless giving, rather than a night.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 03:40 PM
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Pornography is mostly sadism at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 03:38 PM
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Not just money.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 03:31 PM
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How so
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 03:31 PM
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The problem is, in the vacuum of experience, men are developing a Pavlovian response to depictions of female pain rather than female pleasure. The main issue is they bring bad sexual ideas when they start too late, not that they have no ideas at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 03:13 PM
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What? I never said you were, I was implying you were supplicating.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 03:10 PM
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Aren't you a sweety pie. Next tell us how you submit to men and give them everything only expecting "commitment" a "huge sacrifice" for him in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 02:10 PM
2

Why sell yourself? take what you're given, like TRP fucks drunk girls, let men trying to punch above their weight throw resources at you. The legal system is as such that if he gets the wrong idea, you can get rid of him safely.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 01:39 PM
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Who said anything about a being a sex worker? Young women nowadays have boy over their dorm room to blow and they don't even get their clits licked half the time in return. They have ONS with men who don't spend 20-30 minutes stimulating them before they take sex. And the do this for FREE! And then they lie to themselves and other women about how much fun theyre having, because they are following some sort of script and want to feel desirable. Then when they get honest with themselves, men cry o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 01:35 PM
2

Some men's natural value would be made plain. Some men's lack of value would be made plain with their deaths.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 01:20 PM
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My husband has a thing for Jessica Lange and Lean Headley. But really, if all men have to pay for dates in proportionate amounts, and theres no more college hookup culture "come to my dorm for a blowjob so you might learn to like me" then theres less incentive to date older anyway. Market is too soft for men right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 01:19 PM
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Women should stop dating older, it exploits the market by too large a degree and undermines older women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 03:40 AM
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Maybe we could enslave undesirable men and use the gains to subsidize the attractive people that marry and have children. We could give pensions to women who have 4 or more children or give them a slave to take care of the children while they work, so they can either drop out of the work force or continue to work while having children at a rate above replication levels. Also, enslaving these men would probably keep crime down, which is inevitable when men are unrestrained. We could microchip the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 01:58 AM
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The only way people will ever partner up like in the past is if women are more financially dependent on men. The post industrial economy just isn't built that way, it hinges upon the employment base as is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 01:33 AM
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A lot of the qualities that are exalted as feminine on here would really inhibit a woman professionally. Not just "career lawyer cunts". Pretty much anybody who needs to manage others. Ultimately you have to tell people what to do sometimes, and trying to sweet it out of them doesn't always work.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 08:03 PM
1

Don't be so hard on yourself, 6 is perfect
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 05:36 PM
1

With your dick? What's the success rate for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 05:30 PM
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I wish you would use the sub to make posts like this rather than using it for Dialectical Behavioral Therapy 2-3 times a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 05:14 PM
1

Have you read anything about female orgasms
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 05:08 PM
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Not particularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 04:53 PM
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Definitely, but men will get basic level of enjoyment regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 04:31 PM
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Stoicism, masculinity, a decent programming job, and being allowed to rent a room in the tract housing they own is more than enough to compensate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 04:22 PM
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Good looking, attempts to fill the bottomless pit of my low esteem by making me feel powerful
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 02:55 PM
1

You forgot to tip the fedora
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 02:44 PM
1

You and your pop science/history havent undermined anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 02:36 PM
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You're just spewing facts everybody knows. You sound like a college student that thinks youre privy to special information.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 02:24 PM
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Doesn't one pound of bricks weigh more than one pound of feathers? Derp Derp Derp Value is determined by how others value you. Nothing has "value" outside of what we assign. We assign women as having more value. We vote with our genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 02:00 PM
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7/10 for all men, 11/10 for gingers. Good work by the way. 30% of the improvement is your posture. Posture is huge.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 01:58 PM
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This assumes people don't post on alts there, which even mods have been caught doing. It also assumes those posting field reports are "practicing" and not just writing fan fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 09:34 PM
1

Most guys I know belong to a gym and go to varying degrees. I'm also not convinced twerps lift more than the average guy. The pictures I've seen of red pillers look no fitter (or less fit) than an average sample of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 08:59 PM
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Is this with any woman they desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 07:38 PM
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Attractive has to do with hormones and how features come together. Beautiful women have ugly children all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 06:38 PM
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Less physical activity. Maybe soy and plastic but thats speculative
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 02:46 PM
1

That's a very oblique way of saying "I'm right because I'm right"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 02:31 PM
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You've created this box wherein only one type of arousal, the kind that is driven by excitement, is valid, and the rest is some sort of compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 02:27 PM
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I'm not saying that's unusual. I'm just saying I see a lot of shapely girls gaining the freshman 15, not "filling out". That seems to happen earlier for most girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 02:12 PM
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I agree with this. Another thing is women would rather be single than marry a man who doesn't bring enough to the table in terms of providership. Men take work; some women perceive their husbands as another child. They drastically underestimate how much sexual attention women in their 30s and 40s still get, and how low their need for sexual attention really is. I think the reality would look like low income communities now: single mothers live in matriarchal situations sharing expenses and child…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 02:08 PM
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Women usually need a couple of sexually active years to learn what they like and communicate it openly. Men I've known who have had older lovers say these women are better in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 01:52 PM
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I would say that with early puberty most girls have the same approximate body at 18 and 25, barring extraneous weight gain. Personally, I still have jeans and coats from middle school.However, the effects of senescence on the female face/form are massively overblown in TRP, especially when referring to women in their 20s. Edit: I don't see why this is such an unpopular opinion. I don't know many women that became significantly shapelier as a result of anything but weight gain. Sure maybe an inch…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 01:50 PM
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80/20 has become a catch-all for pseudo-intellectuals to describe any unequal distribution. Although I would say the distribution is unequal... due to the economics of desire, not feminist boogie men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 01:46 PM
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I was with you at first, but the reality is I don't care that much about power for power's sake. I only care about being adored, respected, and getting what I want, not having the ability to tell somebody else what to. I don't want a man who submits, I want a man who serves. It's two different things. That being said, I'm inclined to agree that there is no natural intersexual power order. Males and females operate in difference hierarchies, in different spheres. The illusion of male dominance ov…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 02:24 AM
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You could do that on Starbucks money, if you live at home
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 02:08 AM
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The actor who plays Gendry is so attractive he gets away with being a borderline ginger in real life, an offence I almost never forgive. Reminds me of Giblert Blythe, my first crush, RIP Gil!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 01:56 AM
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I'm attracted to a certain degree of neoteny. I like pretty boys, just not exclusively.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 01:47 AM
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The men and women who look good after their prime are gifted with naturally good looks and then capitalize on them with self-care. Men can look great at 30, its just thats when the process of senescence visually begins to replace the sexual maturation process. Also, because men have later onset puberty and need to time to fill out, I would say they peak later than the age you suggested. Not much later, not as late as trp suggests, but later.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 01:45 AM
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Hmmm... I'm liking it better
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 01:21 AM
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I'm never going to identify myself as a whore, even fictitiously .
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 01:06 AM
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Let's start a sub. It will be about actual female sexual strategy, not playing Mary Sue in a Red Pill fan fiction
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 12:52 AM
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I think it speaks to the real nature of the male female dynamic. Men give, women receive. Women take what they receive and use it to create and sustain life. The power dynamic is largely meaningless. Ultimately, for life to continue, the man must tap dance and then toil.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 12:02 AM
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This is good advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 11:41 PM
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Dominating women is the realm of men who can't dominate other men. It is a low status endeavor.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 11:37 PM
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Most kinky types are ugly and need to fetishize things outside of their partners/potential partners in order to reach arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 10:45 PM
2

TRP wants the trappings of male dominance without the corresponding responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 10:44 PM
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I agree, but I think this is the next best solution to cope with the most economic and stable strategy in a modern context, however unnatural it may be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 10:38 PM
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It's what happens when the men available can't out earn subsidies. Why take on somebody else to clean up after if they don't bring something tangible to the table?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 10:30 PM
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I explained to you how and why comfort is a sexually attractive context for sexual activity. How men who can create that context produce better more sustainable sex. You are turning this into comfort, in a vacuum (without regards to physical looks), in some immediate visceral sense needs to be attractive in and of itself in order for OP to have any merit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 10:28 PM
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You're being deliberately obtuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 10:23 PM
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I wonder how they do it with the plumbing not working. Do 84 year olds dry hump like 14 year olds?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 10:22 PM
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African Americans disproportionately have out of wedlock children. There is less of a precedent in this community for marriage before children.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 10:21 PM
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Right. I don't know what you're saying. I don't even think the article mentioned attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 10:19 PM
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The only white middle class women I can think of that intentionally had kids out of wedlock were very hip types that have been cohabitating with the same man for years. Even in my liberal east coast circle, that's pretty rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 10:09 PM
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(http://guardianlv.com/2014/01/senior-citizens-spreading-stds-like-wildfire/)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 10:05 PM
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I did not glean the same thing from OP that you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 10:01 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 09:58 PM
1

Is that a question?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 09:58 PM
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Of course. Machismo isn't confidence to me, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 09:55 PM
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They make it so he registers as a sexual prospect in my mind. I can occasionally find "less comfortable" men in fictions to be sexually appealing. But with me inserted into the fantasy, it just does't come together correctly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 09:52 PM
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And does the man have to be conventionally sexually attractive FIRST, i.e. good looks confidence dominance status power? All except for dominance (over me) appeal to me. Looks and confidence are a prerequisite. Comfort would be somebody who communicates fluidly, expresses feelings in a non-threatening manner, is emotionally stable, is capable of providing emotional support, seems like he'd be a good father, and has a calming presence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 09:42 PM
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What's your number?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 09:39 PM
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Comfort: Noun 1. a state of physical ease and freedom from pain or constraint. 2. the easing or alleviation of a person's feelings of grief or distress. Men who make me comfortable, with whom I feel like I can be open and trustful, make me more open to sex. It allows me to feel attractive, it allows me to build fantasies about them because there is a platform of safety and acceptance underpinning that fantasy. While I can feel a basic visual attraction to men who do not make me feel comfortable,…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 09:38 PM
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Every time I hear tingle I think of Noxema commercials from my youth. If my pussy was tingling, its probably because I had a mishap brushing my teeth in the shower.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 09:29 PM
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No people make the inflation equivalent of less, because cost of living and inflation
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 09:28 PM
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Comfort sex, for me, means I have ample time to orgasm one or more times, not feeling like I need to dress in lingerie look a certain way, etc. Comfort sex is when my body is warmed up with lots of caressing, kissing, massaging, and I am completely in my own body and connected to my partner. Comfort sex is steak, not sizzle.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 09:26 PM
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Who said that? Effectively wages are down, they will only continue to go up proportionately for a shrinking percentage of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 09:22 PM
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I think the point was sexuality is dichotomous: we are turned on by comfort or by excitement. A new partner, by default, is exciting. Chasing that excitement long term is a losing strategy. How many risky places could you possibly have sex? How many mutually pleasurably kinks could you possibly explore before running into stuff that is just never going to appeal to you? How long before exciting sex is no longer exciting? If you bank on sexual excitement as the gateway to having sex in a long ter…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 09:20 PM
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Are you putting that hand straight on her boob or are you rubbing her back or feet? touching her face? Why would somebody assume you want sex just from touching her? Do you only touch her when you want sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 07:33 PM
1

Did you know rich people can afford more things?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 07:27 PM
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So a man in the 80th percentile is a 9? Do you judge women on the same scale?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 07:11 PM
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So you're jealous and think all people should have the privileges of the Elite? How.... liberal of you
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 07:09 PM
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I forget.... to a woman, 2 weeks is a "dry spell". To an 80 percenter man, 2 weeks without sex is.... just life. What?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 07:08 PM
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Do you really think these top 20% can get laid whenever they want. You think like a male 7 can walk into any bar, and take home a woman 100% of the time? That at any juncture he has multiple booty calls he can text and they'll show up? I'm just trying to clarify.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 07:07 PM
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they want, when they want, Nobody does?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 07:04 PM
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Awesome job picking one
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 06:09 PM
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Right and think of 10 women. Do men compete for the attention of all those women, or maybe 2 or 3 of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 06:06 PM
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What are the scraps of what is left? Do these guys not get girlfriends of the same approximate level of attractiveness before they hit 30? 40?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 05:43 PM
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This is exactly what I have been saying on here better than I could ever say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 05:21 PM
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While I think consumer culture plays a role, wages have been relatively stagnant for decades, while the cost of living has gone up. It also used to be that you could get a job making the equivalent of 60k a year, out of high school, without a degree, and buy a house worth about twice your income, if not a little less.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 04:18 PM
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Most 21 year old college girls date other students. A "loser" to them is a 21 year old townie who works at a mall kiosk and isn't in school. Most 23 year olds date men with entry level jobs. A loser to them is a NEET. Most young women arent dating older men with careers, or drug dealers. I know two men who didn't get laid in their 20s... one was autistic. One was ugly and got laid like once or twice and now is engaged to a chick that was never hot in her prime, and likely never slept with Chads.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 04:12 PM
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A guy who never attracted any women whatsoever in his 20s isnt going to magically start attracting women in his 30s, even for BB, if he doesn't improve in some way. Most men, even "betas" go through a string of relationships and marry some chick not appreciably different than the ones he dated.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 03:29 PM
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8k is student loans is nothing. 17k in CC debt totally sucks at that income, but its not insurmountable. I'm saying there was no need for him to pay that off all in one shot. I could see maybe getting her current on the CCs if they are short on checking after the wedding. The point is, she could pay that off out of her own expendable income aggressively in a short time frame. If she makes 2400 post tax and puts 800 towards their joint living expenses, 300 for transportation (car payment, insuran…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 03:18 AM
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Is this still here?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 02:53 AM
2

What would you tell your daughter to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 02:21 AM
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Not if they did it my way, I'm a winner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 02:10 AM
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That picture was me :(
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 01:44 AM
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lol next you're going to say you hate girls who wear makeup
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 12:17 AM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 11:29 PM
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No, I wasn't saying weight doesnt predict womens attractiveness. I assumeed you were drastically underestimating what 300 lbs really looks like. I was wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 10:54 PM
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Enthusiastic consent is the new liability-assuaging benchmark promoted to stupid children who have adopted the pastime of drinking until they puke and/or blackout. Can we stop pretending any of that shit means anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 10:50 PM
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Dude, stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 10:39 PM
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Just to clarify: this is too much. But this is okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 10:38 PM
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I'm a 300 lb thunderbeef cake and only date women under 96.5 lbs-- no fatties, pleeze. g2g have 92 lb 18.75 year old blowing up my phone, begging me to put my dick in places that hurt her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 10:35 PM
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The point is to offer and think less of men that take you up on it. When men like you, they pay. They put more work into planning and paying for dates with women they especially like and are attracted to. THIS ISNT ADVICE FOR YOU. It is advice for women to vet for the men who want her the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 10:33 PM
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Sperm is worthless, theres way too much of it. Men are war/factory meat.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 09:07 PM
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You need to transfer that energy to another limerent object. Honestly, it doesn't even need to be another dating prospect, just create and another crush from a safe distance and ride it out. It's actually easier to do that during the heart break period. Its like managing anxiety. Tell yourself you are excited rather than anxious. Capitalize on the state of arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 06:39 PM
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I meant to say men have as much value as human beings, just not as sexual or reproductive beings. Sorry if that was vague
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 06:29 PM
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This is a good point, I was actually thinking about doing a post of this. The beta orbiter usually has lower social standing than the woman in question. His utility is pretty limited, his social capital is null-- hes more of a liability or embarrassment. The most appealing thing he offers is attention. The beauty of the internet era is that girls coming up can now soak in this attention from a safe distance, without having to interact with these boys regularly or be seen with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 06:09 PM
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There are two way in which people here argue against the sexual strategies of the opposite sex: That doesn't work for me, or to my advantage, therefore it doesn't work. It's "wrong" or "immoral" to manipulate. Both of these are limbic knee-jerk reactions that do nothing to further the conversation. 1 is how Red Pill men arrive at the "women" should be selfless assertions. I can't fault the men for thinking this way, I do fault the women who pander to this line of thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 05:58 PM
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This isn't a life ruining amount of debt. She could pay that off in about 2 years on her income alone if she was motivated enough. Him paying it off seems more like a function of his anxieties about their collective finances than anything. There was really no advantage in terms of credit rating paying it all off at once, rather than aggressively. Even the difference in interest relative to the safety net he lost spending 6 months of his post tax income makes no sense. Especially if they want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 05:35 PM
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Men have the burden of performance. An average woman has more prospects than the average man, regardless of what she does. Courting is a necessary component of the patriarchal system Red Pill men claim as the basis of stable society.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 05:20 PM
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So long as you are finding some way to test men for interest and next the ones that are cavalier before you fuck them and create the illusion of love in your mind you'll probably be ok. There is no advantage to being the cool girl though. Men need about 50% positive reinforcement but they also need 50% challenge. They need to feel like they earned it. Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 04:05 PM
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Men give better sex to the women they are more attracted to as well. Men on here have admitted as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 04:02 PM
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right. I;m not saying you should take as much as possible from every man you meet, because honestly, they will do and give enough to produce later resentment if you let them. I'm saying allowing them to feel useful gets them to like you more. Professionally this is a good skill to have, provided your ego can handle it.Ask a male superior to help you with something, and once he "teaches" you show mastery of said skill. If your competence is ever called into question, say you did it they way he sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 04:00 PM
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Right. I peaked at mid 20s for this reason. I have dimples the size of craters and had chipmunk cheeks despite being thin during my prime. I under no illusions that this means I'll look better at 35, my peak has passed. I read an article by a plastic surgeon that I've been unable to find, but his opinion was cheeks were the most important part of facial attractiveness, because it is how we gauge age. His portfolio showed fillers done on older women that were actually believable and fantastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 03:57 PM
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No, not as human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 03:54 PM
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Those are dates are great... provided the man goes through the effort of orchestrating the whole thing. It's not about money, it about what the money represents. I have a handful of guy friends who have been online dating on and off for years. For plain women, they'll meet them for coffee after work, and really don't get half as upset if she doesn't show up. If they anticipate meeting a pretty woman, they'll ask me for advice on what to do, go to dinner, go on a picnic and pack a cheese plate. H…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 03:53 PM
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Right. The point is to arm women with the information they need to get the most out of the SMP, like what red pill does for men
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 03:47 AM
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I can't speak for all women, but men asking women out and insisting on paying seems pretty universal to me. In college, guys are more likely to ask you to some free campus event and maybe bring some cheap booze they squirreled away or some sort of trinket. Maybe he'll take you to a party and buy your cup. Maybe he'll smoke you out. The point is men do this type of thing instinctually if they want you, if he doesn't he doesn't want you that bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 03:35 AM
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Show up with you model body (save for your DDs) talk about how you love sex oh so much, and how you were too awkward to get hot girl syndrome because you just didn't realize until "post-wall" 20 years old at a party with 20 year old men are and use your wiles there. It's a great schtick. Men will eat it up, and women won't call you out because they don't want to be perceived as jealous. As for here, I can't tell if youre trying to get sympathy/attention or you're trying to get the angry incels o…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 03:27 AM
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Do you do this schtick at parties? If so, good job
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 03:11 AM
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More like young fatties who think because you like the same game or book or movie and aren't outright beautiful you should be attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 02:58 AM
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So you were bombarded with attention and didn't realize it. What does this have to do with the incels who post here? As many issues as they have, its not like theyre going through a situation like yours and don't realize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 02:56 AM
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Yeah, braces? Skinny w/ late development? You said people said you should model, I'm assuming youre tall and you filled out later. You make this sound like a 90's teen movie or something. Truthfully, I don't think your experience provides any insights here. To be fair, I would tell any 19 year old "incels" to "carry on" as well
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 02:50 AM
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I'm not conventionally attractive, nor am I exotically attractive. And I got attention; just not the attention I wanted until I worked on some things. The looks market for women is kind of soft. This chick sounds like she was an awkward beanpole type who didn't get boobs til high school. Not an ugly duckling. Not really "incel" how its used here either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 02:47 AM
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Sorry, I didn't realize all this happened at 20, carry on
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 02:44 AM
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Honestly, how attractive were you "pre-wall"? In my experience guys will go for awkward geeky girls with no social skills, they just tend to be less than she could attract all else being equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 02:32 AM
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While its nice to reliably subsidize your love of wine and food with guys who try to punch above their weight, in the long term its not that much money. It what paying represents, and how it is a proxy for how much he desires you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 02:29 AM
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Look, by employing this strategy I was able to get lots of free shit, suss out men who didn't want me that badly, and marry before I "depreciated" to a man who is incredibly devoted. Really, advice I would give to women would be to maximize their situation, not degrade themselves and settle for less because they'll be not-as-good-looking in a few years. If the men she dates arent paying, she should probably take a few must-haves off the list to get ones that will put her first. Not doing so is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 01:28 AM
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Reproductively women have more innate value than men. The average woman has a higher SMV than the average man. Throughout human existence, most men have not reproduced, most woman have.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 01:13 AM
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No, but you probably have buccal fat diminishing. Which might look better at 25 than 15, but won't look better at 35, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 01:06 AM
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Yes but I get 19 year olds so...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 12:57 AM
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Women are not magic. Speak for yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 12:53 AM
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Every year my tits get .06 cms lower. My husband can't see it... must be the wife goggles
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 12:51 AM
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If it needs to be sex with women of a certain age, it would be better to hire an [ethically acquired] escort and get over it. The inevitible rejection (and potential social blowback) resulting from approaching 18-20 year old girls would exacerbate whatever underlying issue there is. A girl who is significantly younger who goes for a guy like that is usually going to be a single mother. At the very least, she is going to be taken greater advantage of this type of man than the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 12:49 AM
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If you're asking, you're probably past it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 12:42 AM
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The hot girls had their boyfriends carrying bags from expensive clothing brands. The girls who weren't hot, their boyfriends weren't carrying shit. Yes. The point is to be that girl, or as close as you can get, or your own version of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 12:29 AM
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When I was 30 I was an unemployed incel. Then I swallowed the pill. Now 19 year old virgins are constantly blowing up my phone, begging me to let them do brazzer's at them and I make 169k as a self-employed aerospace nuclear laser engineer. THERE IS NO WALL FOR MEN.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 12:17 AM
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Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:55 PM
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I see. Well its not good to allow a men to pay more than a couple of times if you arent interested, especially if you are dipping into the same peer group or live in a small community (like a small campus). If you let a man pay for like 3-4 dates its a lot harder to ghost him, after he's developed "feelings". Then, again, he will develop "feelings" almost 100% of the time if you are better looking than he is and you are nice to him, it has nothing to do with money spent, it is almost entirely to…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:46 PM
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Are you new here?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:35 PM
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Who is abusing power in this scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:34 PM
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A lot of young women are need to be taught how to find good men and how to get what they want out of those men. They need resources too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:31 PM
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When men and women have adversarial strategies, you can't fault women for acting in their best interests at your expense. Currently there is no true red pill analog for women, only more shit building up men and telling women to suppress their desires for the most desirable result for men, with very minor caveats.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:22 PM
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Ok. This thread is about female sexual strategy, not about Oncle Julian's.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:14 PM
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Men who like you don't feel resentful, they like paying up until you don't see them again. Then they hate paying. The thing is, at that point, you arent seeing them again.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:13 PM
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Good for you. If I was teaching my daughter I would show her how to vet more men who are likely to care about her most, teacher her how to capitalize on her situation and protect herself from men who want more from her than they are willing to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:11 PM
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Yeah, hot girls are known for paying their way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:08 PM
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Do what you want. This is advice I would give my daughter, not you. Men pay when they like you. Men who like you a lot are more loyal, less complacent, harder working, kinder, better in bed, more devoted to their children, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:07 PM
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We were in college. But maybe you're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:03 PM
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I offer to pay and think less of a man who takes me up on it. For the first 3 dates or so. A man who is less invested is less attractive. In my eyes, I am giving up something more valuable to enter into a sexual relationship, I expect men to recognize that and bring commensurate value. They have no innate value, they need create value outside of themselves and fork it over.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 11:02 PM
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He said he wasn't hungry, just wanted to spend time with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 10:38 PM
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If you want to get anybody, but especially men, to like you, allow them to do you favors. People feel a little uncomfortable when they owe you, again--men especially. Ask a man to teach you something, or fix something. Not an incredible sacrifice, but something you know he's good at, and can get a rush out of doing for you. Men in particular know that their real value comes from what they can do such as protect and provide, they know this innately. The ones that hate that metric are the ones tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 10:30 PM
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Red Pill advice for men consists of capitalizing on their instinctual wants. Red Pill advice for women consists of suppressing their wants for the exception of a long term relationship, and even that has been contested as not "red pill" enough. Red Pill should be about recognizing gender differences and exploiting them, not telling low-value men they are high value, which is like 80% of TRP at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 10:26 PM
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Sure, once a relationship is established. If a man isn't itching to make himself feel useful in the beginning he usually doesn't care very much.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 10:22 PM
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Never tell a man you expect him to pay. Offer to pay, if he takes you up on that offer, take that into consideration when thinking how much he actually likes you, and if he has good provider instincts. It's like standard date theater.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 10:09 PM
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This is absolutely true, just be more discrete about it when you aren't on the internet. Also, how willingly a man provides is a good proxy for how much he likes you and how committed he'll be in the future. I have even explicitly heard men talk about being more willing to go to dinner and pay for a hot chick, whereas the ones in their league get coffee (online first meetings). If he isn't paying happily, he is measuring you and thinking he can do better. When I met my husband he paid for our fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 10:01 PM
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RPWi want to match with high betas who have a medianish level of sexual experience, and not late bloomer incel with a bunch of hang ups about how much porno he never got to re-inact with some glassy eyed faker with low self esteem. Believe it or not, the sex thing turns out a lot less contentious with adjusted people, so long as it happened early enough they didn't develop some sort of weird vendetta over what sex should be and they have it semi frequently
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 01:15 AM
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28, white, northeast exurbs now city, married, never religious culturally catholic, between working class and middle class, not sure about now, bachelors
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 01:03 AM
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RPWO are men pretending to be the ideal woman (as they see it). RPWi are women pretending to be the ideal woman (as they see it).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 12:58 AM
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Hot and stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 12:53 AM
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Cersei put her children before her own ambitions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 02:41 AM
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Cersei is my favorite. I hate karate-chop chicks who are implausibly tough. Thats why that Dorne subplot was unwatchable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 10:59 PM
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150k isnt wealthy. And I'm sorry, I can't in good faith tell young men that if they work hard and make good a good living theyll be rewarded with a women significantly more attractive. I have seen where this thinking leads in my peer group, and these guys wind up feeling like they are settling since nobody told them any different until the final hour.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 10:32 PM
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The point is 19 years olds are inaccessible for most 30+ guys, especially unattractive ones. I am telling you a female perspective. There is a limit to how much most women will give up in looks for wealth. The guy in question doesn't even offer wealth, he offers stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 10:24 PM
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Women in that class have a more visceral understanding of "status"; it might not be what you think it is. Also, if he wants a woman in that social class, he'd have to go younger if he doesn't want them to already have children. And a 19 year old Tiffany might like fancy presents, but she's usually going to prefer the hot aspiring rapper who dropped out of Devry.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 10:12 PM
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Look, all I'm saying is I've seen young pointdexter types with this sort of reason wind up sorely disappointed. No, Mr. Professor doesn't want to marry Tiffany. But if Mr. Professor is a true 3.5, he isn't going to be getting a 40-60k a year HB6.5. 150k a year buys a 4 bd in a good school catchment, not a yacht. Women who can already support themselves aren't going to forgo that much attractiveness for an extra 900 sq ft and new car every 4 years instead of every 8.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 09:58 PM
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Working class women have always worked in some capacity, it was just that work was available that was more compatible with caring for children, and there were extended family networks to share the responsibility of children. Now they are working for inflation-adjusted less, while competing in terms of standard of living and buying power with higher earning couples that previously would have made do on one income once they could have. People forget that only 30% of American even have bachelors de…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 09:52 PM
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"That much money" is not "rich", its the upper end of middle class or upper middle class. Two standard deviations is like a borderline mentally handicapped person marrying a gifted person, except we're talking about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 09:45 PM
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Women have been harder working than men for most of human prehistory, in most environments. Working hard for sustenance is not women acting like men, it is precisely how women act when they cannot outsource those efforts to men. That being said, the concept that feminism has not benefited middle or low class women is worth exploring. I do not think feminism is to blame for the post industrial service economy, but I do think that women around median income or below get little economic benefit out…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 08:20 PM
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This is a very good write up. The only think I would want your friends to know, now that I am on the finished half of grad school/medical school age, is that a number of these guys really did overestimate the extent at which money would get them a hotter girlfriend. A financial professional making 150k is not a celebrity or a millionaire. He won't get a girl two standard deviations more attractive than himself by virtue of making upper middle class money. I do think misunderstanding stem from pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 06:44 PM
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If a woman attracts a narrower range of men her chances of finding a man who actually brings some benefit to her life is slimmer as well. 50% of men are old; almost 25% of young men are unemployed. Men worth paring with are few and far between, and ugly chicks can rarely get what is worth getting from a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 05:27 PM
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she must use extreme discretion and good judgment in who she chooses. Yes A woman should chose somebody who's "doings" best benefit her, because she has less power in society at large and because she cannot garner as much appreciation and status from her doings. However, she should select a man who is head over heels for her, who she can capitalize on, her precarious situation means she would be unwise to sacrifice any additional power over lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 03:45 PM
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No matter how hot he might be it isnt going to give her some Linda Lovelace type mix up with her clit up in her butt hole. Women are also pleasure receivers, they aren't just pleasure givers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 10:00 PM
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right. that's why the point is divorce him after his wealth can be capitalized on but before your youth no longer can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 06:52 PM
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The best marks would be the natural systematizers with social blind spots and good money. Can't get them too empathy-deficient because you want more willing to wrap up the divorce sooner with kids involved. Longer divorce means attorney fees cutting into the profits.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 06:18 PM
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There's some truth to this, but I have seen girls get similarly obsessive and squealy with boys in their class. Writing his name over and over, making this high pitched whining sound whenever he is brought up at sleepovers, etc. Harry Styles is not super human, and you might have had a boy in your high school who was cuter, but he would have inspired a lot of Greek statues, if you catch my drift. Most girls like pretty guys at that age, so looking back the boy band guys seem less impressive than…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 05:51 PM
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Wut
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 05:23 PM
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No, how could he possibly do that? Kill me? Tell people I used him? Do you think anybody in our circle would have predicted it end any differently?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 05:03 PM
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(iii) Do you think the men delude themselves that their wives do find them physically attractive, and that if they worked as a plumber they would still be with her, or do you think they're realistic about it? I think a good amount of them do delude themselves. Men never cease to amaze me with their capacity for self delusion. Look at all the men on TRP writing fan fictions about "hot 19 years olds" swooning over them when they are 50+. (i) How do you feel about women who do this? I kind of have …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 04:44 PM
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I have messed around with two men at the same time, without penetration involved. The pornographic MMF threesome does nothing for me. However, "queer" sites have some better examples of group sex in general. Different combinations of group sex have always been a fantasy of mine. My husband knows about this in greater detail than you can imagine, and is not bothered by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 02:46 PM
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The only answer I can give you is anecdotal. I've never lied about looks not mattering. I have said other things matter in addition to looks. I've never heard women say they don't care about looks. I have heard them say they don't care about specific aspect of looks, like height, or creatively placed teeth. Some older women claim not to care too much about baldness, if the guy "carries it well". some women like slightly overweight men with masculine builds: like what gays call bears. I have even…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 02:40 PM
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It's probably wise to watch watch everybody does, and use that to qualify what they say. That being said, how many times have you heard a woman say she likes ugly guys? fat guys? old guys? Just because she thinks the football team captain is overrated, or gym bros tend to be too broey for her, doesn't mean looks don't matter. It seems to be that you might have taken something like "A guy doesn't need to be Brad Pitt" and fleshed it out with a lot of wishful thinking. Here's a good counter exampl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 02:29 PM
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Yet they hang pictures of hot men all over their lockers and dorm rooms, crush on the guy who is the right combination of hot and accessible and turn down unattractive guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 02:20 PM
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I hate to break it to you, but women compliment men's looks all the time. It might not be with the same persistent compulsion that they compliment each other, but they compliment men far more than other men do. They notice how a man dresses and wears his hair more than his male peers, and will mention it when it's done properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 01:35 PM
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While you might have been paying attention to what teenage pubescent girls were talking about I knew that boy bands were popular, but it never crossed to examine "why" This IS willful ignorance
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 01:26 PM
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right, but only the higher tier men. tomato, tomahto
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 03:53 AM
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I don't understand this line of reasoning. Women wear make up, therefore they don't care about men's looks? Women wear makeup because they are trying to attract attractive men, and because it's expected of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 03:34 AM
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One thing you must consider is that at the fringe of economic classes these pairings do happen. The richest men who are not visible do get 20ish women, and the 40 year leader of the biker gang with meth connections can get plenty of 20 year old trailer trash living hand to mouth. It's just that attraction isn't the factor here, and they know that, there's no point in telling them that because they will hamster it away. Also, the 20 year olds in question, outside of the richest constiuent, are no…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 11:19 PM
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Virtually every romantic lead in a chick flick is either wealthy or at least a resourceful scamp who is infatuated willing to hand over what little he has. Edit: They are also played by attractive actors.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 11:09 PM
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I'd like to think that way to, but it has not helped me. I had 3 separate incel types follow me around on reddit threatening me after I gave them an honest appraisal of their looks. I had a male friend who asked me to help with his online dating. he didn't understand why he was being rejected by women who were "only 6s" he didn't take kindly to learning his was a 4 or 5. He started to find ways to insult me in various ways, including indicating I was gaining weight whenever we hung out, at which…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 09:35 PM
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While the fact that men overestimate their attractiveness is not officially a part of the TRP charter, it's pretty Red Pill proper if you ask me. That being said, I have known guys who complain about being unable to find companionship, on and off of reddit, and when they show me pictures of women that interest them, they tend to be slightly above average women (young and thin is an automatic 6.5) who are nonthreatening (have smaller secondary sexual characteristics or 1-3 facial flaws that don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 09:28 PM
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Yeah I'm not a cool girl like that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 09:23 PM
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"oh don't worry about it, the right girl will come along for you" The right girl is assumed to be less attractive than her. She is hoping he'll realize this without her having to say so outright.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 09:19 PM
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Right but this is often an initial response to "I can't get any girlfriend", in which case, looks can be overcome, because ugly men and women date each other all the time. What we begin to see after enough Reddit rodeos and encounters of the incel variety is any girlfriend is a codified way of saying a poor man's Olivia Munn or some shit, which is a compromise to them because she's not Megan Fox or the head cheerleader anything. The cute, thin, yet accessible girl in their social circle is still…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 09:13 PM
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I don't respond to that. I want to be turned on and seduced, even if I am already in the mood for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 09:07 PM
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I will usually start by engaging my SO in context and foreplay, but not that overtly. It's not that it always leads to sex, but it's kind of the gateway to anything other than a quickie designed to get him off. At first he didn't really see my requests for foot rubs or an invitation to a freshly drawn bath as a way of getting the ball rolling. It even took a couple of years for him to fully see it that way. But he learned and we have sustained a pretty active and mutually-pleasurable sex life. H…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 05:20 PM
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Most women who identify as feminists are not the tumblr types you imagine. Most are boilerplate college-educated urban-dwelling chicks with normal jobs. They date college-educated urban-dwelling dudes with normal jobs. They drink craft beer and shop at whole foods. They talk about other liberal stuff as often, if not more often, than gender issues in particular.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 03:42 PM
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The upside down shot glass is the blank check of the bar world. Maybe this is just a US thing. If you are in the middle of a drink, technically the bartender shouldn't be bringing you another full one. The upside down shot glass means "buy her next round" and I can use it in 5 minutes or 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 03:05 PM
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This is sound reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 04:01 PM
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This is exactly how I treat it. I think it depends a lot on context. A local who send me a Jim Bean at my local corner bar is saying "Haven't seen you in a while, look like you had a tough day". It's been a great ice breaker at happy hours, especially if you go alone. I have never had a man get angry because I accept a drink and then walk over, drink in hand, with my wedding ring: provided I say thank you and engage them in a conversation for a little bit. I have had men get angry when I turn do…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 03:57 PM
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I think clubs and bars are a little different in this capacity. I guess a "single's bar" or "cocktail bar" skews more towards a club in behavior. I have had married men buy me my next round at bars for simply passing time with them while we both complain about work. I have had regulars buy me a shot when they haven't seen me in a while. I have had upside-down shot glasses arrive in front of me with no benefactor in sight. When a guy buys me a drink, he is doing so before asking if I'm in a relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 03:53 PM
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I treated a large scar on my leg with copper peptides. It was pretty big swatch on my outer thigh left over from "road rash" from a scooter accident. Just make sure it's pure GHK-Cu, not a cheap serum with nondescript "peptides". Clinically, Copper Peptides been shown to reduce scarring an impressive, measurable amount. You will have to start with a low concentration and work your way up. Your skin may look crepey every time you titrate the concentration. You may need to plateau for months at a …
/r/RedPillWives08/09/16 11:08 PM
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I always say immigration is neither good nor bad, but if you don't have more than 2.1 kids have no right to complain
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 10:50 PM
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I wasn't disagreeing with the post, I was supplementing it with a 3 minute read that might be more accessible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 10:39 PM
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While I think 3rd world populations will supplant 1st world ones, 3rd world culture ultimately will not; even Muslims will more more towards consumption and freedom once having the existing cultural platform handed to them. I don't mean to downplay the violent reactionary element of Islam, but the reality is there is a dichotomy between those becoming more liberal compared to those becoming more radicalized in these countries. Basically I am saying that the population of the developing world wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 10:38 PM
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this article says it better, okay? She hedges and a lot in this interview and I found it too distracting, okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 10:26 PM
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Honestly, no. My ideal partner would be an extension of myself who could read my mind and do whatever I want without me asking. Second best would be a partner that does exactly what I say when I say it. Thing is, that's a narcissistic fantasy, and I have a difficult time imagining what kind of broken person would follow somebody else's lead all the time unless they are a parent or employer. I don't respect my husband by virtue of us disagreeing. That makes no sense to me. When I say "I respect y…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 07:29 PM
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How does the doctor know the child isn't adopted? Or the father is the step father, and refers to his stepchildren as his own. Wouldn't that person look like an unprofessional asshole saying something the male parent already knew?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 10:19 PM
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I think men, by default, are pretty complacent and lazy unless there is something to be won or some surge of testosterone. Women have more of a material and status baseline that they worry about all the time, a side effect of being responsible for most of the provisioning for children throughout our natural history. Men are either winners or losers, and when their position and environment points to loser, they coast in loser mode. That being said, a man in love will work his fingers to the bone …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 10:16 PM
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Define "successful". Are you a 30 year old with two degrees making 60-80k a year? Then, no, there are huge swaths of men who would neither be intimidated nor particularly impressed. If however, you rely too much on talking about work or shoehorning some vocab from your master's to carry a conversation, then people won't be particularly charmed. People fall in love over laughter and whimsical stuff, the fact that you are competent in life is a baseline (depending on social class etc), the fact th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/16 01:26 AM
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1) Men who are too far into the alpha end of the spectrum are not suitable for relationships. The amount of time a woman will spend attempting to lock down an alpha shortens as she gets older. The degree to which young inexperienced women will date older is overstated. 2) Men who are not sufficiently good looking and/or successful can rarely get away with many the demonstrations of dominance prescribed by TRP regardless of how confident or convincing they are. 3) While the prevailing narrative h…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/16 05:05 PM
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Poor people like that don't get married and they "stay home" whilst they collect government benefits. And honestly, would you rather collect 1200 a month tax free or work full time for $8 at Burger King?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 11:25 PM
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Women can be trash inside.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 11:10 PM
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I have multiple times in my life seen women instigate fights between men. Usually a meathead boyfriend and some sick girlfriend who got her thrills that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 11:30 PM
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So starting cloning dinosaurs and letting them lose? Stop using antibiotics? Cut all social programs and let poor people starve in the streets? How is the lack slowing of natural selection a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 09:01 PM
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Female sexual dominance, and not even in the contrived leather-suit way, is something that easily half of men (or more) like some of the time, and something most women are never interested in providing. That being said, women tend to mean different things when they say "dominant" and "submissive" than men do. Women usually seem to mean contextual power (dirty talk, blind folds, comfortable restraints, etc) Men when they want to be dominated go more for dominant acts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 05:46 PM
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product of a man's labour being for women, and the product of a woman's labour being for herself. I have seen this sentiment repeated in a number of cultures. There is absolutely underlying truth there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 06:42 PM
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I like your insights here, but I would not say women's sex drive ever approaches a man's, including during ovulation. One of the unique features of humans is that the female's ovulation is concealed, not just from others, but from herself as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 06:37 PM
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One man I knew looked at sex as something he "got" from women. The more is was at their expense, the more he "got". Think of sadism, but not in the BSDM way. He was mad when he had to pay more to "get" more sex acts out the brothel. This guy is not horrible looking and was actually moderately successful. Yet he was deficient in a number of ways and it was palpable. He also looked at every social situation as a zero sum game, but never possessed the social clout or charm to actually win.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 02:42 PM
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This is making me think of somebody in particular I know who has visited brothels, and it makes perfect sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 04:26 AM
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Men who power-hungry but impotent. Men who have the negative qualities of "Alpha" behavior yet are not attractive enough to get away with them. They are takers who suck at taking. Most retreat to an intricate fantasy world in which they have limitless power and/or prestige. Some create alter egos on the internet, or write fictions about a "just world" there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 09:26 PM
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Why do men think they are the only ones who have violent fantasies when angry and sexual fantasies about being outside of their relationship? Do you really think when women masturbate they think about their SOs? Women really need to stop lying to men... it's not very nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 05:19 PM
1

There is nothing inherently wrong with prostitution. That being said, the only men I have known who have openly admitted to using prostitutes were either romantically dysfunctional or ran in circles with lots of trashy people and drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 05:07 PM
1

Unattractive men love to take advice about being successful or confident and running with it. Being confident will never get a woman 2 standard deviations more attractive than yourself, genuine or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 02:35 AM
1

Nobody is going to try to sell a man on heterosexual relationships if he doesn't like women for what they are. Just make sure to convey to your "plates" that a relationship will never materialize.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 02:32 AM
1

1-2 times a week is about average.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 10:26 PM
0

Women generally have lower sex drives than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 07:07 PM
2

If TRP is quick to call relationships with female-libido sex frequency and some friction about decisions shitty, then virtually all relationships are shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 06:46 PM
2

I think he's saying these men are being encouraged to end relationships that have minor flaws and are perfectly viable because their girlfriend or wife doesn't live up to an expectation that most women never will. It's analogous to women frivorcing their husband because he doesn't pick up his socks or dragging him to couple's counseling because he doesn't communicate like a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 06:16 PM
2

It's sad when you see guys on MRP trying to rewrite their relationships because their wife only has sex 1-2 times a week and nags them about the dishes. Often these guys have pre-school age children in the mix. Suddenly they have this mid-life crisis wherein they think a submissive wife who provides blow jobs on demand is going to solve whatever deeply embedded fears and failure they have. So they try these ham-fisted attempts to garner respect they haven't earned, trying to fix something that n…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 06:10 PM
1

When I make "in date" food, like lamb chops, wine, ect, its about 35 bucks at the most, meals like that cost 120 in restaurants. 25 bucks will get you a pizza and soda, or maybe McDonald's for 4. 25 bucks probably can't cover Chinese food for 4 people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 05:21 PM
1

huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 12:18 AM
2

Stop making me wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 12:17 AM
2

Good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 07:57 PM
1

Have you heard of something called taxes?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 07:37 PM
2

Do you have screaming 3 year olds at you office? If so I would ask for a raise...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 07:06 PM
7

If you have kids you have to "show up" too, you are "on the clock" so to speak. If they are below a certain age, you need to be more focused on them than an average office job. 7 hours for a large house doesn't sound as spotless as you think. Especially if that figure includes laundry and you have multiple children. It also doesn't take into account picking up after children, which is like constantly pushing a boulder up a hill. I also pre cook most of my meals. I spent 4 hours on it last night …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 07:01 PM
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Studies don't show that most people at full time jobs "work" 40 hours either though. Check when most facebook updates are made... it's during work hours. BTW, what time zone is everybody participating in this thread in?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 06:25 PM
2

LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 10:50 PM
1

I always figured this was the case. Now I want to post FR of escalting absurdity to see How much of it gets throughout How much of it gets upvoted If I post the results here would that be against the rules?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 10:48 PM
7

Much of feminism was pioneered by educated leisure-class women, this paradigm is obviously from that perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 10:44 PM
6

Well I dont have a background in feminine studies, but it seems that poem was written by a man and then criticized pretty thoroughly by a number of female contemporaries. That's totally unsurprising, even in the Victorian Era.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 10:42 PM
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My earlier post about women losing visceral limerent passion for all men, not just betas, and sacrificing a more guaranteed serial monogamy-type sexual strategy for monogamy is a big part of it. I also don't see women, even in aggregate, as being submissive to men. Men are dominant in public life, because the overwhelming majority of exceptional people are men. This is immutable, only outright discriminatory quotas can change it. By exceptional, I mean CEOs of fortune 500s, not 100k middle manag…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 10:19 PM
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I believe there are innate gender differences between men and women. I think evolution has guided human behavior in observable, measurable ways. I recognize, however, that there are limitations and if you are not careful, it's easy to descend into tautology. I think most Red Pill has been co-opted by low status males who are looking for a way to build themselves up. I think most Red Pill reasoning is watered down or outright adulterated to instill a sense of self-worth in these men even when the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 09:54 PM
3

hosts a gangbang while he's working, and what have you Ah the old gangbang while he's slaving away. Has to be black guys too. DRINK
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 09:22 PM
2

It was a hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 07:54 PM
3

She would probably be happier if he made more money, should he be pulling 80 hour work weeks to make this possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 07:21 PM
4

I'm going to make a drinking game of this thread
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 06:56 PM
4

I can't wait to watch him tell all these men their wives were never attracted to them, in the event they don't agree with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 06:39 PM
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You've been more than patient. Thanks for indulging me. I still don't think female submission is Red Pill though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 06:28 PM
2

They literally have more things to consider and more things to do Do they?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 06:26 PM
3

What is ideal for the man is objectively ideal. Most children achieve theory of mind by 2 or 4 years old, some people seem to manage to leap frog right over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 06:22 PM
3

Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 06:18 PM
2

It is important to not that "superior" refers to the status/role not to inherent value. How is it natural for men to have higher status in a relationship? If by weakest link you mean that men have the least incentive to stay committed and provide, then yes monogamy and male headship is an incentive to get him to stay Not having half as many reproductive options and not wanting to live in a non-committal society wherein he would be subjected violent intra-sexual competition would be enough incent…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 06:12 PM
2

Hasn't happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 06:09 PM
2

the patriarchy is female conspiritardy Beautiful
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 06:06 PM
1

Say please
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 05:42 PM
3

It's possible to have the division of labor and gender polarity you describe without this one-directional "the action or fact of accepting or yielding to a superior force or to the will or authority of another person." Male "dominance" in private life is more "etic" culture. It is an illusion (that literature has always been pretty tongue in cheek about) to keep the weakest link in the family unit (men) tethered to their obligations. It's a sales pitch for a certain type of family that doesn't e…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 05:41 PM
1

Hasn't been a problem for me.. it seems. I get what demand. It feels great :)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 05:36 PM
2

I agree with 90% of what you've said here, I just don't see dominance and submission there. If a woman is tasked with doing everything her man tells her, or cannot tell him to do anything, then how is she in a state of relaxation or being unburdened? And acts of service is just as much a male trait. Men are what they do and provide in the "default natural context" we are discussing. They have no inherent value beyond that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 05:12 PM
1

Entitlement is encouraged in TRP for men. They are even told entitlement is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 05:00 PM
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When you say women prefer to be submissive and men prefer to be dominant... outside of the bedroom explain what you mean. Because based my understanding of dominance and submission, I don't see it in real life. Everybody wants to have their voices heard and their needs met. People want what they want. That's human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 04:56 PM
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Where are these women you keep meeting in real life that perfer to give more than they receive? The only times I have met women who claim to be this way it was theater, and they acted completely different when they were not within an earshot of a male mark.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 04:48 PM
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Does he desire her more than other women? Enough to show her respect and conform to her wishes? Does he desire her enough to invest the extra time to insure her pleasure? Does he look at her with admiration? Lust for her body and mind? Because chances are he did in the beginning, and if he stops, what use is he beyond a paycheck?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 04:30 PM
3

I have had much much more than that, multiple times in my life. I don't need to settle for less.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 04:25 PM
5

Men will fuck women they find sufficiently attractive when they are randomly physiologically horny. That's not the same thing as being desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 04:23 PM
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You're clearly missing the point. Does he want to have sex because he is horny, or because she made him horny? It's a critical difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 04:18 PM
1

Were these crimes of passion or did these women poison their husbands gradually for insurance money? It's two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 03:47 PM
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I never said women are blameless. I'm pointing out that dread doesn't take into account female arousal and desire, only performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 03:38 PM
4

Yeah but when you're 50 you'll be able to walk into the club and 18 year olds will be pining for your "life experience"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 03:36 PM
5

Yeah but when I'm 30 nobody will even look twice at me right? Do you need chasers when you shoot whiskey too? HAHA
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 03:31 PM
1

I definitely see this too. The thing is advice online either seems to be "let it go, not worth arguing" or "what an asshole" which just feeds into her anger. The reality is men don't "notice" shit like that, on average. However, they will start tuning you out if you keep reminding them. There are usually effective ways of manipulating them into doing these things, you just have you take their naturally high egos into account when formulating the strategy and realize your feelings about doing mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 03:18 PM
3

Right on. Also, throwing ego and idealizations in the garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 03:10 PM
4

Women may put out when subjected to dread, they may even do their best glassy-eyed porn impression. But that only looks like desire. Men on places like MRP don't care about the motivating factors there, only the performance. That is why it is ill-advised for a woman to pair with such a man or tolerate his ploys for power. Men will still want sexual release from the same woman, even if he no longer finds her sexually inspiring. Let's not paint this as some sort of benevolent quality. It is merely…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 03:06 PM
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Right. I come from a similar background as you and never felt at home there. It's a live and let live situation, but when it comes down to it, I knew I could not authentically be myself or express things other than the frivolous. Overall, people seemed more concerned with being desirable on paper than exploring concepts and using them to their actual advantages. I'm glad you've found a level of participation that suites you, but don't you ever feel like you have to censor your beliefs a little b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 02:53 PM
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When it comes down to it, your own happiness and needs should be the most important thing to you. The only plausible exception is children, and even then, for a certain window of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 02:39 PM
2

Would you take advice or endorse advice from somebody 2 years into a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 02:37 PM
3

So I could go to RPWi, talk about Red Pill concepts, and how I use them to maintain dominance in my relationship and have my needs met... and I would be well-received as another iteration of a Red Pill Wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 02:20 PM
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I did read her posts, and "learned" that men almost universally prefer submissive women (which is incongruent with my observations). And that a combative "HHH" dynamic is described more favorably than a LHL or LLH or LHH or whatever dynamic, despite these, as described, having much fewer conflict. I'm not even disagreeing that one should defer to their spouse when their spouse has expertise one does not, or is more invested in a particular decision. I do not even disagree that women can often mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 01:15 PM
3

Most of the guys I dated were 5'8" or less. I can get hot short guys, or ok tall guys, but not hot tall guys. I'm not beautiful or anything. I go for hot short guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 03:21 AM
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I feel similar to you, I just never gleaned the necessity for female submission from my reading. That seems to be crux of RPWi, at least from my perspective, and it doesn't match with pure RP concepts, more the insecure or reactive male interpretation of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 02:43 AM
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It only has the meaning you say it does if it is used towards RPW who are 2 years in and think everything will remain hunky-dory. If there were any mods at RPW under a certain age only 2 years into a relationship (?) it would be outright hypocritical to say that to a poster here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 02:29 AM
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I've been told repeatedly that I will divorce by reds despite being in the same relationship for almost 10 years and my entire adult life. It's a classic sour grapes method of resolving the dissonance. It also has little conceptual merit in the context of this particular conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 02:20 AM
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There is a difference between leading and assuming all responsibility for the relationship/home/finances etc. Somebody who has to nag somebody else is effectively not in charge. The person who cares the least has the most power, seems like these guys did have the power, they just decided to squander it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 02:10 AM
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If it were 10 she'd say 20. Trust
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 01:58 AM
3

I can be the Mr. Miyagi of bitch training... if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 01:57 AM
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So you don't have to conform to a male dominant/ submissive female relationship, it's just that if you don't, it's more likely that you don't respect your husband, aren't as attracted to him, and he will become unhappy. Do what you want, though. We don't judge. ?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 01:35 AM
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I have not in my life, even traditional relationships, seen the dynamic most reds describe as "intrinsic", being universally practiced.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 01:29 AM
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Nobody here is debating whether or not relationships have different dynamics. The fact that you put an respectable amount of effort in describing these dynamics (from your perspective) is fine. This poster is saying she has a non RP dynamic, it works for her, that's why she has no interest in RPWi. The fact that RPWi understands that different dynamics exist is not a point of contention here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 01:23 AM
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When you speak to people outside of the community, you are very diplomatic and tactful. I respect that. But if you are trying to imply that relationship dynamics exist on an acceptable spectrum, the "series" you have written has an interesting take on dynamics that are dissimilar to your own. I'm not saying that you need to endorse relationships that fall outside of RPWi, but a little more honesty here relative to diplomacy would be more useful to this conversation. This poster in particular see…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 01:11 AM
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They will never be the same as each other and don't need to play roles to prove what they are. Thank you for putting it like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 01:03 AM
2

Do you plan on redacting Part I of the series? Because it's conspicuously absent...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 01:00 AM
1

Agree completely about JGL, although he is incredibly talented. I always assumed he was like 25% Filipino or something, he has a weird look for a white guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 12:25 AM
1

I found these sorts of tactics to be most necessary (and effective) with older male supervisors. Luckily I almost never have to do this in my marriage. If I was with a more incorrigible man, I would do have to do this more often. It's not hard to find a man who can respect your wishes and do what you want when you ask directly. Even then, however, there will be times in which you disagree, and so it's helpful to have these skills in your back pocket.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 01:32 PM
2

Yep. Game is sales.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 12:39 PM
13

Ask for something more extravagant, time consuming or expensive than you would otherwise want, but drop hints about a cheaper alternative that you actually want. Oversell your wants and make him think he's meeting you in the middle. If there is a critical detail that would steer him in a certain direction allude to it but don't let on you know. "I wonder if..." and let him go to Wikipedia himself. People are more confident in information that they research themselves. Men in particular are very …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 03:58 AM
2

Doesnt need a dick ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 01:20 AM
2

I kind of like the idea of only his mouth working. Then again, my thoughts are freakish... and not in the sexual abused want to be "submissive" (desired) kind of way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 12:54 AM
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Sometimes your posts stumble into the profound like a rambling derelict I get stuck talking to on the subway. This isn't one of those posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 12:34 AM
1

Men who unwilling to date and court in their league. Men who have not accepted that they are 3 who must work (commit, sacrifice, pay for dates, subject themselves to embarrassment) for a 3 woman. Men are 3s who do not understand they must lose weight, dress better, and then must work (commit, sacrifice, pay for dates, subject themselves to embarrassment) for a 5 woman. A disproportionate amount of porn addicts and live at home types to boot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 12:32 AM
1

21-22 is actually kind of skinny for a guy. It isn't as simple as "don't be overweight" for men. A men with a BMI of 26 or even 28 can sometimes be very attractive. A man with a BMI of 21 is usually not appealing to most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 05:20 PM
2

The problem is we "just be more confident" is it the same sort of lip service as "oh but you're so nice, girls will want you one day". it doesn't address the real reasons that a young man can't attract who he wants which is usually some combination of unattractive, unappealing, or overreaching standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 05:18 PM
4

How so? You think a 3 who's confident is attractive? I feel like I hit the event horizon of male delusion and now have no choice but to take the ride.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 04:08 AM
2

That's a good point. I'm now even more confused as to why men overestimate their attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 03:30 AM
1

Men are not considered disposable because of society. They are disposable because they all simultaneously flood the market with almost-worthless gametes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 01:21 AM
2

Sire my offspring
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 01:14 AM
1

The Red Pill uses evo psyche and biological determinism as a backbone for a school of thought, the unexpressed purpose of which is to build up men and serve their egos. It isn't even internally consistent; because when choosing between reason and male esteem, it will go with the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 01:11 AM
6

While lifting is the best thing men can do to improve their looks and does not often result in the extreme bodybuilder physique on magazines, it will still only improve the average man about 1 to 1.5 points on the 1-10 scale. On MRP I frequently see 40+ guys who start lifting and in two months claim their SMV is skyrocketing. I doubt these guys could have more than 4-5 lbs of beginner gains, and most don't have body fat % near low enough for it to be that visible. Men have a default delusional c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 10:25 PM
1

A woman recently came to your sub explicitly saying she didn't want such a dynamic, and many of your subscribers continued to proselytize when they probably should have either turned her away or, if they were feeling charitable, given her advice that was tailored to her wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 10:18 PM
1

Maybe some people don't agree that men have an intrinsic need to lead and woman desire to follow. There's also a pretty large swath of people in that fall in between "captain + first mate" and "bossy shrew + brow beaten eunuch" I understand the criticism that modern sensibilities are hypocritical and naive about power in dynamics in/out of the bedroom and in/out of relationships. However, there is something to be said about harmonious relationships generally having less discrete power hierarchie…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 10:16 PM
8

With regards to 5 I remember getting in an argument with one that insisted high earning women were the ones not getting married. There are plenty of "where have all the good men gone" articles focused on a handful of 35+ unmarried career women with unrealistic expectations... generally in New York. But obviously that's fodder for their readership.They were very hostile towards the idea that high earning men generally marry high earning women. Most "high-status" men marry women of similar career …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 05:05 AM
1

I too test as INTP, but I don't put much stake in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/16 02:58 AM
1

That's wonderful, but I don't think the situation you are describing mirrors the sloppy drunken encounters I have witnessed. It also leaves out that these women often fake these orgasms in order to complete the theater they are performing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 01:35 AM
1

The message and the general consensus can vary.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 01:07 AM
1

I think believing women are inferior is a form of support. It's a tool for managing pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 01:03 AM
1

Sorry, can you clarify?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 12:39 AM
2

You probably couldn't make a Red Pill man feel good about himself, not unless it's at the expense of yourself, and even then temporarily
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 12:30 AM
1

You're forgetting the major thing here: Being a "good woman" means you make him feel needed and good about himself. And honestly? Maybe AMALT. However, these guys have such an entrenched inferiority complex, that you will never, ever, make them feel adequately needed or good about himself, therefore you will never be "good"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 12:14 AM
5

Thank you for the response, I didn't mean it to be hurtful. I just think of these young women I've known who have suffered emotional hurt from following the "sex pot" script, and a potential future daughter, and I think what I said is worth saying. The consequence was not as simple Red Pill states (being undesirable to future prospects) or even divorcing sex from intimacy. It was (what appeared to be) an increasing difficulty separating the male desire they were mirroring from their own, and rec…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 11:52 PM
9

Fair enough, let me rephrase: I feel guilty when judging other women for honest, authentic expressions of their sexuality. However, I do not believe that most occurrences of female promiscuity are honest, authentic expressions of sexuality. I do not feel that these women are lacking in self-control or virtue, I think the are desperate for male desire and approval. If women were sleeping around due to lust, they would be much more demanding in terms of attaining sexual release than they actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 08:04 PM
1

I am okay with capital punishment for children as it is Halal and infanticīdium doesn't count... kid can't even play fetch yet
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 06:38 PM
25

Most "sluts" are anorgasmic fakers with some degree of borderline traits who love attention. Out of promiscuous women, there are more train wrecks than "Samantha's" in real life. I'm not saying these women should be stoned in some defunct soccer stadium, but denying their real motivations in favor "sex-positivity" is often a disservice to them... ultimately we are encouraging them to act out their attachment problems in hyper drive. The result this schizophrenic dissonance wherein we KNOW these …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 06:08 PM
3

You need to redo your question in a way thats more direct and coherent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 05:29 PM
4

You posed this question to all women on PPD Looks like you tried to pose this question directly to the TRP in drag subreddit, and didn't even get many bites there However women try to differentiate themselves, none of them are going to make a "strategy" out of throwing their every want and need in the garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 05:15 PM
4

So basically you are saying: "CMV I don't want to get marred/cohabitate/have children" Do you expect a bunch of women who DO want to get marred/cohabitate/have children to fawn all over you in an effort to change your mind? And you're confused as to why they won't do these things because they are smart enough to see you won't give them what they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 05:03 PM
3

Who says? Do you think I go through every day resenting my husband because he isn't Liam Hemsworth? Contrary to what you think, women don't all have fucked up mental models. They don't have some sort of inverse male psychology where in they like being treated poorly or feeling unwanted. If anyway, they are more adverse to pursuing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 04:27 PM
7

Did you even read what she wrote? Or do you just like setting money on fire?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 04:12 PM
4

I'm not going to argue about what "most women do" since that will just disintegrate in anecdotal nonsense. Even if they do jump through hoops it's not like they like the process of pursuing men. If they liked jumping through hoops they would continue to do so indefinitely. And I think we can agree that "most" stop, at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 04:02 PM
5

Why bother with the effort if there are other available options who are just as good that don't require the effort? Hypothetically, if I could get a "7" as a sure thing to pursue me, simply by being height/weight proportionate and decent company... why would pursue a 7.5 who isn't a sure thing, requires more work, and would always have an advantage over me in the relationship by virtue of not being as invested? The situation I have described is the reality for a large swath of women, due to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 03:59 PM
6

If high value men, as woman define them (as described in part 1,) are getting married, the alpha/beta dichotomy used to qualify part 2 is meaningless. You are conflating alpha with an idealized state for your own sexual imperative Women don't want to jump through hoops for this man you have imagined. Some might, especially when young. Most don't, especially if they have healthy attachment models. Those who do usually stop, because they experience diminished returns and now need to start seeing s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 03:29 PM
8

1) High value provider men are not stepping out on marriage. They are marrying women 0-5 years younger than themselves slightly later in life than previous decades. Traditional family formation is growing less common in lower classes. The rate of marriage among high earners is virtually unchanged. 2) There's no point in trying to win a man. Most men who want to be in committed relationship with a woman will know after seeing her in a handful of emotional states, performing a handful of activitie…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 02:09 PM
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The have the mistaken belief that male power manifests itself benevolently, while female power is malevolent. This applies to relationships, in which the solution to any problem is submit and bank of your needs ultimately being met, and society, in which empowered men can be relied upon to make decisions that benefit women. Only a handful of them with acknowledge that men and women often have competing or divergent strategies, but will still cobble together some ramshackle "solution" in which wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 11:33 PM
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Would you tolerate it if a woman had sex with you such a way that didn't bring to you orgasm? Say sat on your face til she got off while playing with your balls a bit? Because that's how a lot of women experience vaginal sex without anything else additional.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 10:53 PM
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Women are superior at submitting, they are just always trying to do the opposite.... for some reason /s
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 10:42 PM
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If all other men and women were using the same currency as they (submissive, homemaking, etc) they would be, or strive to be, the "top" women. The wrench in the machinery is that there are many acceptable and attractive manifestations of femininity, things aren't that simple or hierarchical. This has nothing to do with feminism "remaking" women. They have a very narrow view of femininity that is more substantiated by the ranting a few internet characters and traditional idealization, not based o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 10:35 PM
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I caught a couple of downvotes for saying I didn't consider myself a feminist on TBP but the net was positive. You can't expect everybody to be on their best behavior, especially in this corner of the internet. Moreover, pandering each group at the expense of authenticity for internet points is pathetic behavior. Just do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 10:19 PM
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Dude if you want some autist-type formula (Age-23)*Buccal fat1.234 , I simply can't give it to you. I hope you're extremely attractive, otherwise, based on what you're saying about your preferences, you're going to have a bad time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 08:28 PM
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Dude, the OP was fine. Stop shooting yourself in the foot.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 08:15 PM
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As a fit woman with an okay face, this is extremely true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 08:13 PM
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I mean, he didn't list those factors as caveats. He didn't say, "I find 85% of non-overweight women between 30-40 with long hair, who wear make up, have toned bodies, and use spf attractive." I would say a woman who is marginally attractive at 25 probably will fall below that threshold by 35, without special effort, all else being equal. A highly attractive women at 25 will usually still be attractive at 35 provided she doesn't change her habits. Some people, however, just don't age well and it …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 08:05 PM
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Does anyone know any woman in rl that was attractive at 25, but not at 35, or a celebrity perhaps? Yes. Even if she doesn't gain 50lbs after kids she could be out of shape, cut her hair short, stop wearing makeup, start wearing sweatpants for non-gym activities, etc. Men don't see the effort/illusion, they see the result.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 07:42 PM
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While non-overweight might be 30% of the total population, its easily 50% or more of the young population, even in the US. If he truly means non-overweight, say BMIs under 25, then he's probably still attracted to a pretty large swath of women in his peer group. To be fair, when a lot of guys say "not fat" they are usually the types to call any woman over a bmi of like 21 fat. Guys like that would be SOL everywhere but the Sudan or east asia.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 07:38 PM
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Right. Women don't want to be slut shamed if they elect to have sex, they don't want to feel obligated to either. Both will make women dry up like the Sahara.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 06:54 PM
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The issue isn't women being shamed for having sex outside of commitment. The issue is most women don't enjoy sex outside of commitment, but many feel they must in order to ultimately get what they want. They get off from the idea of women enjoying pain because it pleases him, or that her pleasure is a direct extension of his. Many women are happy to indulge this idea because they want to be liked/desired, even if they don't actually derive pleasure from it. No reasonable person would believe mai…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 10:32 PM
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There are many aspects of our society that are not beneficial to women's sexuality: The ante has been upped as such that many women are expected to have sex with a partner before getting commitment from him. While we know more than ever about female sexual pleasure, the indulgence of unfettered male fantasy is de-prioritizing women's sexual pleasure or even comfort in favor of men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 09:11 PM
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Up to 30% of web traffic is mostly depictions of male sexuality at the expense of women. It's hardly heresy
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 08:33 PM
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Did these women explicitly say she was entitled to it, or did they say they would be unhappy with that arrangement? Cunnilingus is probably NOT analogous to whatever sex acts you have in mind. Clitoral stimulation is a necessary component of a healthy sex life for the majority of women... men don't need pornographic sex to actually reach orgasm. Cunnilingus also isn't painful or debasing to the person performing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 07:35 PM
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I don't see it as shaming men for being attracted to younger women, it's the fixation and fetishization that women tend to criticize. Not to mention, these guys will often spell out the power differential and how it appeals to them. A woman would have to be extremely insecure to throw around insults for men being attracted to the secondary sexual characteristics of teenage girls. I'm not sure if it's the physical attraction most women (and many men) find contemptible.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 01:34 AM
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To be fair, their are two ages in porn: teen and milf. Almost all porn on free aggregators is tagged with either. A 26-33 actress working could be tagged with either in the same year. "Teen" scenes arent usually braces and pigtails, it's a catch-all for 100-130 lb women 18-25. It's much more innocuous term than older women think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 01:28 AM
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I'm 28. During the summer, I often see a lot of freshman orientations near my work, as it is close to a college campus. I would say about 10-20% of those 18-19 kids register as attractive to me, from a visual standpoint. The juniors/seniors who parade them around are attractive almost half the time. I do prefer men filled out a bit more, but those taut, sinewy years as they approach the crest of manhood can hold their own appeal. Some young men that age have more body hair than the average grown…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 01:23 AM
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How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 01:12 AM
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women don't like being right they lke being wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 10:41 PM
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Right. But then you're agreeing with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 07:39 PM
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I do play poker, 2/5 nl usually. The point was explore why things work sometimes and not others, which is obviously more complicated than "women, due to their women brains, like being treated poorly because it means you are valuable". It is perfectly reasonable to assume women who tolerate being treated poorly have psychological shortcomings.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 07:19 PM
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How about this, you explain to me why it works on others, but not for you. Then reconcile with your earlier comment about advertising etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 06:27 PM
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Do you see a little bit of incongruity here?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 06:21 PM
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So you pine for women who don't call you back, and become aroused when they tease you? if your wife were to start flirting with waiters, you would feel compelled (by arousal) to lick her clit for 25 minutes at a time, only to go to sleep after?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 06:07 PM
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Do you think that these power plays only work for men when directed at women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 05:10 PM
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David Beckham 2002 World Cup, Age 27 | David Beckham 2016, Age 41 Idris Elba on The Wire, about 29 | Idris Elba, 2016 Ryan Gosling 2004 The Notebook, and near the peak of his female audience appeal | Ryan Gosling 2016 Johnny Depp 1990, Age 27 | Johnny Depp 2016, Age 53 Mel Gibson, The Bounty Age 28 (young Mel Gibson was a personal favorite of mine). | Mel Gibson 2016 All of these men are facially good-looking and aged very well. They were still even better looking when young. I tried to use prom…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 05:06 PM
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I never said men peak at 18-21. I think mid to late twenties is more accurate. I don't know which men are "top" in the whole wide world. Do you want me to present a list of 9/10s in their 20s? I'd be happy to oblige you with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 04:34 PM
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Some of those guys aren't even sexy anymore/at all. "Sexiest" lists exist to rotate a list of celebrities, and correlate with whoever has recently been in an acclaimed movie or is particularly active in the industry lately. You could find plenty of models and no name actors who are objectively more attractive than virtually all those guys. A good part of it is marketing done by agents and publicists, who have contingent relationships with People, Esquire, etc. That's how guys like this get "vote…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 04:19 PM
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5/10 24 good face, body looks out of shape and awkward style 6.5/10 22 good face and body 7/10 24 great face (pretty eyes) somewhat skinny body 4/10 29 averageish - 1 point for looking like he smells 6/10 19 (will peak in the 7.5-8 range in a few years) 4-6/10 cant tell age. Skin is bad. Either fit with bad posture or sloppy semi-fat, hence the range
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 01:50 AM
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I didn't mean to come across as bragging or anything, I can't help but convey how high-quality I am
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 12:10 AM
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I'm not sure if that's about raw physical attraction though. Notice the cougar phenomenon disproportionately belongs to divorced women with money, who've already had children and have some sort of social capital without needing a high status male fixture. When these conditions are met, more and more of them take on younger male boyfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 11:57 PM
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snap snap snap snap
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 11:46 PM
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Is a woman's sexual performance more important to you than her sexual enjoyment?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 11:45 PM
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I thought single motherhood resulted in beta-tization and propensity towards codependency? Which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 11:45 PM
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It's harder to come when youre drunk, so what's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 11:35 PM
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Red Pill is not a monolith. When I go on TRP I see more "I did wrong by my GF/Plate and she sucked my dick within 48 hours, women love being wronged, AWALT" than what you are describing, although I've seen both. The main confusion here is that the "alpha mimesis" is mostly emulating bad behaviors and then claiming, to like-minded and bitter individuals, that they "work". If the question is, are women "turned on" when you dread them, then no. They may be fucking you out of fear and faking it, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 10:30 PM
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Women with options will rarely take less than what they can get elsewhere. There is no special female instinct in which giving them less/treating them poorly makes them like you better. Women may like men who exhibit certain qualities (confidence, assertiveness, attractiveness) to varying extents and can tolerate the negative aspects that often follow this to a certain threshold. I'm not sure all women prefer men like that. It's just the ones that prefer men like that tend to outnumber the amoun…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 08:27 PM
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Yes even the more reasonable Red Pillers say this, they just get drowned out by incel-ish 22 year olds who are waiting for their day.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 08:13 PM
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28 year old woman here, I still see men 3 years younger than me as slightly more attractive, on average, than men 3 years older. I would say men peak physically around their mid-twenties. However, you often have to separate out the fact that most guys in their 20s dress poorly. I know so many male adults who wear hoodies instead of coats, white sneakers, cargo shorts, etc. This rarely stops until they get a woman in their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 08:08 PM
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Yes, but I don't trust women to separate who is most "physically attractive" from who "I would like to spend time with". I think we are taking about true physical attractiveness here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 08:05 PM
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Men are most attractive at like 25-27. Boys go through puberty a little later so this isn't surprising. The rest is money/stability, but being liked for that reason seems unappealing to most guys. Personally I don't know a single man who looks better at 33 than at 26, unless he lost a ton of weight or something. Something like 30% of men start having visible hair loss or thinning by 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 08:02 PM
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I never gave you permission to ask me a question about affirmative consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 11:25 PM
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Most men won't illicit raw arousal in a vacuum anyway. The bottom percent 80,70,50 whatever. If all men "improved" by your standard, the bottom would still need to offer commitment. There is no "women will want to jump men's bones if they xyz" That's the sales pitch behind RP, not the reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 10:48 PM
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up you rmv if you smv is capped too low. all I see are milellials crying about sex isn't as available as porn. boo-hoo better looking men put less into obtaining sex. booo-hoo women are inherently more attractive. up the value of your commitment if that's all you have to offer. make more money. build a better beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 10:31 PM
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this is not a hardship. keep in mind all men have commitment to give. and that commitment is more valuable than most of human existence, except highly oppressive societies. plus an entire 1/3 or so of men, according to you, can get sex with some regularity without offering anything in return. that's amazing! it the softest market that has ever been.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 09:44 PM
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One of those alternate explanations for the 80/20 rule is that average woman is more attractive than the average man. Yes, but unfortunately, this has less to do with something controllable such as grooming and more to do to the economics of desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 07:43 PM
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No he didn't...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 09:53 PM
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I have intuitively used some approximation of the 16 Commandments of Poon with great "success". Ellen Fein and Sherrie Schneider published a book called "The Rules" 20 years ago, a many women swore by it. Fein and Schneider should consider suing Heartiste for copyright infringement. They made a greater mainstream impact than the manosphere ever has, and were also able to monetize it. Power plays can absolutely work for anybody. The question is do you want to do it, and will you allow yourself to…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 09:16 PM
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Right. Also, Romance-language speaking cultures tend to have a greater degree of tactile and nonverbal communication. I kiss family members on the cheek or even the mouth. I never even noticed it was weird until it was pointed out to me. It would be typical for people in non-anglo cultures to hold hands or rest your hand on somebody's thigh when you speak to them. Resting your hand on a woman's back, especially a drunk young woman, could be a way of ensuring she didn't get lost in the crowd, esp…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 07:07 PM
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Husband "Hey you only spent $15 last Saturday when you were out with Stacy? Did you take cash out of the cigar box?" Me: "No Stacy got some sap to buy us 3 rounds of shots, then his friend started following me around." Husband: "Did he know you were married?" Me: "Yeah, he was married too, the guy was a dinosaur and was pretty delusional. Said he was away on business" Husband: "See if he can take to you Ruth Chris, get the T-Bone and bring home the leftovers." Husband & Me: HAHAHAHAHHA
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 06:12 PM
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As soon as the hamster is mentioned, I know I won.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 06:01 PM
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I'd rather not know about it, honestly. I'm not sure I'd like it, but I don't like him jerking off to images of other women, and I still permit him to do it. It isn't cheating, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 05:58 PM
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I honestly don't know what the average man wants, nor do I care. I am basing this off of the what is universally considered cheating. I don't think what has happened here would be universally considered cheating. As far as the boundaries men set, I find them to be more flexible than what you are describing, at least as far as boundaries that I have had to meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 05:52 PM
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If that were the case, I would tattle on guys. I know from experience not do to that, for the reasons discussed below.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 05:47 PM
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We don't know his expectations for his relationship 2.You aren't even basing this assumption on your own expectations, this is purely speculation on your part.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 05:40 PM
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So you haven't so much as danced or touched another woman since being in a relationship? That's fine for you, but appears to be a subjective definition, not something that's universally recognized as cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 05:33 PM
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There is no "team man", just like there is no "team woman". There is me and everybody else. Telling him won't help him, he can only help himself, if the situation requires. We don't even know if it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 05:29 PM
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Because she isn't having sexual contact with him. If your partner were dancing in a way that required him to put his hands on her, as many styles of dancing do, would that be cheating?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 05:27 PM
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Then don't. Let it go, seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 04:41 PM
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This is precisely what happens. These people have a deeper connection to each other than a friend. The friend never sees this, especially if they've been friends longer than the relationship has existed. Self appointed "enemies" of the relationship get discarded. Don't get involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 04:31 PM
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If you find something irrefutable, send it to him anonymously, like through a dummy email account. You have basically nothing. Even if you had something, people tend to shoot the messenger
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 04:14 PM
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Here's the thing. We don't know if Mary cheated, chances are, she didn't. Talking to somebody in close proximity in an environment with loud music doesn't even mean flirtatiousness. Even if Mary did cheat, the only way this is going to come out is Mary admits to cheating, or somebody closer to the situation with direct knowledge of the cheating tells Stephen Merchant. Chances are, Stephen Merchant will react negatively towards you, based on the circumstances. Even if Stephen Merchant is the vict…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 04:05 PM
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The main problems with the AF/BB model, as I see it, are as follows: It treats men a static type. The "Big dick" type here is mostly like statistically settling down in his late twenties or early thirties as well, it isn't just Bob the Accountant getting married. "Big Dick" might even be Bob the accountant at 35. "Big Dick" ,the hawtest guy at the frat house, has a much more boring fate than "International Playboy" or "Real Life Don Draper" High partner count men "alpha" care LESS about the part…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 01:46 PM
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How of what your father was about how he gave to you (love, support, affection) and how much of it was about what you gave to him?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 09:29 PM
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Out of curiosity, how much were you required to "serve" your father during the course of your father daughter relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 09:18 PM
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don't think it has that much of an impact on attractiveness in comparison to other more important factors like skincare and fitness It really doesn't. It's a negligible thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 09:18 PM
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You mean the industry that has scammed thousands of incels out of millions? Yes. Scams are wherein the results cannot be guaranteed are never profitable. Never.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 08:36 PM
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In the pimp/street walking scenario you are describing, there is usually a cycle of abuse and precedent of exploitation that starts early in that woman's life. And not the outraged college girl kind... the ugly Law & Order kind that is attributed to middle class people but is common and under-reported in lower class communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 08:33 PM
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Because a lot of men overestimate their physical attractiveness. Because a lot of men underestimate the role of their own physical attractiveness in how they attract women. I don't like having to upvote you. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 08:30 PM
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Manicures are an inexpensive "luxury" which is why, I think, they tend to be fetishized in communities with fewer means. Regardless, for 20 bucks after tip, you can find local reliable places that will clean you up really well and give you a brief massage to boot. It isn't necessary, in my opinion, to go to a salon every time you want your nails painted. I treat it like as a "reset" - like having my brows waxed. Things are reshaped and great attention is paid than your regular routine. In the sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 08:25 PM
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I take my husband once a month to have a basic manicure:cuticles done, hang nails removed, file, matte top. Pedicures about 2-3 times a summer as well. Because they aren't painted, it isn't really noticeable until they are required to touch thin, sensitive skin in a particular way. Then it REALLY matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 08:20 PM
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On the other end of the scale, my dad set the bar very high, to an almost superhuman level. I'm the same way, except the qualities I admired about my father are referred to "beta" qualities here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 08:12 PM
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Actually there is, but it is the girl's own father. He remains the standard to which all of her romantic partner's are compared. This is a really basic, largely true thing that is rarely brought up here. We are too busy looking at modal psychology to see individual psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 08:10 PM
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The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place. — Robert Briffault, The Mothers, Vol. I, p. 191
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 10:45 PM
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Why bother to start a thread polling women about this if the responses are meaningless to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 09:27 PM
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But the larger point, for me, and one I try to emphasize whenever it comes up, is that it's not always (or even often, I would say) about "gold digging", despite the fact that that view flies against what a lot of TRPers believe. It's about a lot more than just dollar signs... People are disinclined to accept inconvenient measurements of themselves. The most clear example of this is the amount of rationalization between men that looks don't matter. No woman is going to listen to you when you des…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 08:36 PM
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Men are losing simply by not staying married. Unmarried men are prone to substance abuse and tend to die sooner and commit more suicides. In fact I think I read about rising suicides among middle aged men recently. There is no direct connection between the behavior of all unmarried men and divorced men in particular. Mentally unhealthy, low performing men are much less likely to get married in the first place. I don't don't doubt, however, that divorce takes a toll on men financially and emotion…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 08:23 PM
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That's a really good point and it makes perfect sense. Not once did I argue that women are not less inclined to stay in a relationship that provides less material benefit. However, the dissolution of more marriages does not necessarily mean the overall dissatisfaction of people, particularly if men are not disproportionately losing custody rights and assets, and divorce is not a source of shame. I could be wrong, and I'm not in a position to google dig, but Sweden does seem to test very well on …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 08:00 PM
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Understood. The question then becomes which is easier: For a cultural shift to occur in which men to relearn behaviors (which may or may not be inherent) in order to meet women's resulting expectations in the current context. For the entire economic system to shift in order to facilitate more of what you describe as traditional relationships. The cultural shift may be more difficult if it reflects immutable underlying gendered behaviors. The economic shift may be more difficult as people are alw…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 07:52 PM
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The issue under discussion is the how the balance of domestic and financial responsibilities can affect underlying satisfaction in a relationship. I would absolutely be happy to participate in a separate discussion about how women in the work force affects replacement fertility rates, but bringing this up at this juncture in the discussion appears to me to be deflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 07:34 PM
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Assuming men bear the brunt of the economy upheaval as a result of divorce, it is in his best interest to avoid precipitating factors (sexual and financial dissatisfaction) that often lead to divorce. She is doing this for him, by forgoing men who would be subjected to the consequences of failing her. She is assuming many, if not most, of the other tasks responsible for life and family management, including the things he is less inclined to do and takes less pride in doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 07:12 PM
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Thank you for indulging me, I got what I wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 07:00 PM
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If a woman is trying to work through her dying sex drive with her husband, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect her to still please him while they work out their issues. I don't disagree. But being selfish, like other humans, this isn't what women are going to naturally regret. The regret will understandably be framed in the context of her own needs. ie a mutally pleasurable sex life My aunt left my uncle after a big fight when they were planning a trip. I remember distinctly him telling me…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 06:58 PM
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And if men had the opportunity, you think they would be benevolent and fair? Based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 06:51 PM
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Ok. So why u hatin?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 06:46 PM
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The question here isn't what is "fair" to men. That wasn't even on the table. The question is what is best for women, given the assumptions we have established
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 06:40 PM
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So the sexual strategy for women is to opt out of the game entirely if their goals can only be realized at the expense of yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 06:34 PM
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Why is some tiff between you and another poster its own thread? Is your PM not working?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 06:32 PM
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Most people want children. It's a basic biological imperative.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 06:29 PM
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I have never heard a man, while lamenting the demise of a relationship say "I should have bought this." Most of the time, I have heard them react the same way women here are being accused of reacting, as that is normal human behavior. However, IF they were to regret anything, it is usually neglecting to show affection (as a reflection of their true underlying feelings). Or making the time (and learning to enjoy it again). This is a closer parallel to a healthy sexual relationship than doling out…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 06:27 PM
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Indulge me. So what, by your estimation, should women do if A monogamous relationship is necessary to attain status and stability in the current social context and is better for child rearing Only 20% of men are attractive, and only for a limited period of time (I have addressed this in a previous post) If society is 100% monogamous, 80% of women will be with unattractive men. After a few years, the attraction those women paired with the top 20% have for their spouses will dissipate anyway, rega…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 06:24 PM
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There are no shortage of women who feel guilt when their sex drives take a dive. Many do externalize it and blame it on the man's behavior. And sometimes, this externalization is not entirely without merit. A lot of the courtship behaviors that make women feel desirable, and thus open to arousal, subside after the man becomes comfortable with the relationship. However, there is no shortage of women who seek sexual therapy and medical intervention in an attempt reclaim sexual desire again. If the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 06:00 PM
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If, in fact, it is unilaterally true that: Women are not as attracted to men who perform domestics tasks. Women grow to resent providing financially. Then it would follow: A man should be advised make double what the median middle class income is his area, in order to facilitate a situation in which he will not obliged to perform "chores". By earning less, he is objectively a less attractive prospect to women, and this is not women's fault, it is his, as he is at the bottom of this hierarchy, or…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 05:28 PM
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I don't think is surprising even to most women. The issue here is the logic that follows from the type of men who tend to utilize these facts to prove a point, but never to the point that their value or status can be subject to judgement. 1) Women are more inclined to concern themselves with child-rearing and domestic tasks. (not exactly controversial, morally neutral) 2) Even when women work outside the home, even when they work as many or more hours than their partner, they still assume defaul…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 05:10 PM
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The exercise here was to work within Red Pill parameters without twisting things to build up male status and self-esteem. I don't even disagree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 04:30 PM
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Yes, and if you try to point them in the direction of women who are analogous to them looks-wise they get angry. In my case, there was no point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 07:52 PM
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This post must either be: Too long and boring for you to read Above your level of reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 05:59 PM
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Of course they fall short of the ideal. But most men don't get to reproduce at all under natural circumstances. Women still overwhelming reproduce with the top males they want, they just share him whilst then get some degree of resources that all males provide (hunted meat is shared, for example). If anything, they should be grateful to have any reproductive access at all, especially in a modern context where they are less obligated to be providers and women still bear the brunt of domestic task…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 05:52 PM
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You are drastically overestimating the degree of direct paternal investment necessary for a child to survive after it passes toddlerhood. You are drastically underestimating the amount of collective raising of children in tribal societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 05:06 PM
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This is true, it just ignores that most males could not realize any reproductive strategy for most of human existence. They talk about things in terms of their ideal, but never their limitations.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 04:16 PM
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The provisioning required for child rearing has been addressed. It's just that: There appears to be no advantage of being with the male for life, only until the child has been weaned and requires less moment-to-moment care. This cycle was addressed in the post. Once this occurs, the woman would pair bond with another male just as easily as the first, and is in fact inclined to do so with a unique male. As u/betterdeadthanbeta has said, meat is perishable and shared. Females in the EEA were getti…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 01:56 PM
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It is "better" for most males, particularly males like him. The crux of this post was that RP uses evolutionary theory to support male solipsism, and prescribes behaviors intended to benefit males.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 01:44 PM
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This is your best contribution to the thread. When women fall in love, that love is relatively unmitigated by lust compared to the average man's, since she is not lusting after men on the street, except for occasionally a highly attractive man. If we keep telling women to seek a man they are passionate about , thinking this will lead to a longer lasting and more passionate relationship, it can cause her to choose categorical behaviors of men who are more exciting, but that excitement will not la…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 01:29 PM
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Look at all the male solipsism in these responses trying to rationalize away their unimportance. It's hardly an anger phase thing. The problem isn't just ignorance of serial monogamy, it is the condemnation of female sexual strategy when it deviates from male strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 12:32 PM
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In most environments prior to the Neolithic Revolution, women obtained most of the calories consumed through gathering. The model to which you are referring is armchair anthropology that didn't hold up once hunter gathers in tropical environments were actually studied. People have measured the wear on their teeth, picked up their poop and sent it to labs, lived with them for years, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 03:52 AM
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I am not in the habit of telling people what will work best for them. I have seen open relationships work and fail. At the very least the "other" (every other possible theoretical partner) should always be recognized so it can be managed. I will say a man who banks on 20-somethings being indefinitely available will probably be sorely disappointed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 03:47 AM
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I couldn't have said it better. You seem to have understood the post better than most.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 03:27 AM
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This post was not about feminism. It was about red pill rationalizations based on evolutionary theory vs the evolutionary theories in the absence of male solipsism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 03:06 AM
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I never said women were oppressed historically.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 02:23 AM
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It is to an extent, but it is framed as a female betrayal, while male polygamy is natural. Male monogamy is upheld as a sacrifice. The traditional skewing terps will use this concept of male monogamous sacrifice as the main capital they bring to their relationship, for which she owes deference etc. They never address it as a female sacrifice. The overarching theme here is that Red Pill is still a product of male solipsism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 02:22 AM
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She can marry one man, divorce him, and marry another. Or she can cohabitate with a man, dump him, and move in with another. She could do this unceremoniously for most of human pre-history. She might share this man, but that doesn't seem to bother hunter gatherer women so much as to prevent them from choosing it. If she preferred a monogamous man, she'd have a wider selection, rather than her approximate class and attractiveness bracket. Even during much of western history, poor people separated…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 02:13 AM
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Only PUA's believe that dominating a woman will keep her faithful to you. Your ability to dominate your social circle is and always has been her acid test. The point is her sexual attraction is, on average, limited in time due to her biological imperatives regardless of what you do. If she stays, it is due to a more familial love, not visceral attraction. Dominating your social circle does little to cultivate familial love. It may postpone boredom, but it isn't what will compel her to stay long …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 01:51 AM
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Female sexual strategy is amoral. This is just as "damning" towards males by pointing out males desire for multiple partners simultaneously. Not very sweet is it? The only difference is that some approximation of female sexual strategy is always realizable, while for males it is rarely realizable, and even when it is, only for a certain window of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 01:41 AM
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1) How often does this actually happen? How often do men you 've never seen before come up to you while shopping or in some other public place and: --say hello or other superficial pleasantries to you Virtually every man I pass on a non crowded street, some (maybe 15-25%) on a crowded street. Women rarely say hi to me. --chat you up Virtually every time we are alone or next to each other (elevator, park bench, bar, etc) --make comments about your body/clothing/appearance Frequently but this is u…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 08:45 PM
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Some people don't cohabitate before marriage. People tend to clean up before they have company more than they do on a daily basis. Hypothetically she might not have known about his habits before. The responsibilities and required time commitment towards life management increases as you get older. One partner may be ok with doing 50% more housework when they are young, energetic, without children, and working fewer hours. Add children and additional worries to the mix, multiple the house work x 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 03:18 PM
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My thoughts exactly. Also, there is probably more overlap between people who cook and those who clean than some sort of mutual exclusivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 03:11 PM
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If I was in a boy's bed, especially the first time, I wanted a finger bang or a dry hump, consenting to that isn't consenting to PIV.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 06:04 PM
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I would argue that a little bit of "build up without knowing the result" is one of the main things neglected in ongoing relationships. Sometimes it's nice to make out on the couch while netflix is playing. It's the xyz formulaic stuff that really stifles intimacy, even if it takes care of the base urges in the short term.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 06:01 PM
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I agree with this completely. Fatlogic got a lot worse once the run-off came over from FPS. And there are some fat people who legitimately say, "Hey I like to eat more than my body requires, that's my choice, I don't care about being attractive to more people, I understand the health consequences and don't care that much." What I like about Fatlogic is it (used to) focus on addressing the rationalizations and misinformation propagated by people. Starvation mode, slow metabolism, fat people as an…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 02:49 PM
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Thats a good point thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 01:42 AM
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Fat man thin woman pairing is more common in white people. The reverse is true for black people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 12:52 AM
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They think female orgasm is an appraisal of "alphaness". They're taking the idea that female sexuality is largely psychological, and running with the idea until it is entirely psychological, and not at all physiological.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 07:07 PM
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The issue was just that I didn't think it could get any better. I honestly thought something was wrong with me. And I had been sticking my cooter under the bathtub spigot til my legs flailed since I was 9 years old.... before I knew what that was called.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 07:05 PM
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Exactly this. But it doesn't feel good with every dick. Some are too small so the shallow penetration makes it feel like its about to fall out. Some are too girthy as such that the indirect angle is extremely irritating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 07:01 PM
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I get what you're saying. I have to be really turned on for this to do the trick, but the hood is attached to the labia, and if they are sufficiently large they wrap and move in certain positions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 06:51 PM
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I LOLed at this. But really I do have the ergonomic set-up he is referring to. It's an ugly "roastie" vagina though, which apparently discerning men don't like. Anyway, when it envelopes the penis the whole vulva moves, in certain positions. He isn't wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 06:49 PM
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No, a lot of women prefer or need some level or pressure rather than friction. This is more a function of angle and pivot than size. Heck, a small guy can be great because with the proper angling he maxes out right along the right areas, while not causing enough friction to create irritation. There is an old Kinsey study involving running a Q-tip along the vaginal wall and women couldn't even feel it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 06:47 PM
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I don't hate them. I empathize. I used to work in marketing, and made those spam email campaigns that I now find annoying. Doesn't mean it isn't frustrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 06:24 PM
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Something's wrong if you aren't jacking it to that, it's 60% of what I've seen since my developmental years. Men love it too, and they exist to please me after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 06:09 PM
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Ok let's forget semantics for a second. Wanting a partner to be on call for your needs at any juncture regardless of their physical or emotional state is not the same as expecting a partner make an effort to bring you sexually release when you engage in an activities intended to bring mutual sexual release. And even then.... I do think partners regardless of sex should be happy to accommodate each other's needs. That doesn't mean on demand, or at the expense of their own comfort and well-being. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 06:02 PM
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They also come of age in an environment where they to are exposed to ubiquitous misinformation in HD. They might even feel like something is wrong with them for not liking it. Most women are uncomfortable admitting how much they fake it, especially in their exploratory years. Girls often fake it because they're participating in oneupmanship and want to be "good at sex", Also nobody tells them explicitly "hey, he'll probably have to flip your switch for 20 minutes, you're entitled to that, sex is…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 05:22 PM
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The men I dated also had a lot to offer.... along with being attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 05:04 PM
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Maintaining a low BMI for women over college-age takes effort too. It's not just "not eating like a walrus". I have to skip breakfast and lunch to fit a restaurant meal into my TDEE. That's unpleasant.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 03:41 PM
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Eating 1200-1400 calories a day because I have to sit on my ass all day to pay my portion of the mortgage Going to the gym after an 8 hour work day in order to not have my body fall apart Spending an average of 6-10 hours a week on depilation, skin hair, nail care, hair care and styling. Baseline. Now add another 90 minutes for every actual outing or date. Even metrosexual guys don't come close to the average chick. And this isn't even sexual, it's a professional expectation
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 03:36 PM
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And in interactions with other men, I've often found that the most respected and most promoted men are also the best at bullshitting and have the most over-inflated opinions of themselves. Narcissism is a good short term strategy. It is not beneficial in the long term. People with a high degree of these traits tend to go through many jobs and broken relationships. Unless it's coupled with extremely high executive functioning, these people don't even wind up all that successful. Many male cluster…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 01:45 PM
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What's the black pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 03:23 AM
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Ok. So assuming you are creating your SO in a story. What is this character getting that she would want? What are you providing emotionally and financially? Effectively nothing....
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 12:02 AM
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Her type is CHAD, your's is FAKE
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 12:00 AM
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I'm sure there are things you can work on, but there's a good chance you'll be fine. feel free to pm me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 10:17 PM
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Are you incel? how old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 10:06 PM
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Were they viscerally unattractive or just "don't feel male pride when being seen with her" unnatractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 09:56 PM
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fantasy only captures a moment in time. and anyway, I'm not sure it would. one of the most attractive qualities a man can have is his willingness to sacrifice.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 09:47 PM
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youre so alpha I'd probable descend into an uncontrollable jealous rage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 09:37 PM
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every time I have indulged fantasies about this type of guy "changing him" was an integral component of the story. the idea that a man would resist his instincts and nature to please me amplified my desirability in this context. these traits were never appealing to me in a vaccuum. they are tucked away in power fantasies in which i ultimately the most powerful one. also, I was never stupid enough to act on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 09:27 PM
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tell me the revenge fantasy of what happened after you broke up. I'm bored....
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 09:16 PM
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What does that say? That your fan fiction requires better character development. I can be your beta if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 09:04 PM
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If you think a man would take a woman with a BMI of 15 with a high WHR over a woman with a BMI between 18-21 and a low WHR you're delusional. I think most [white/asian] men would prefer the girl linked to an overweight girl maybe. But also, BMI of 22 isn't exactly scarecrow thin for men so I'd say it's comparable. The attractiveness of women begins to drop precipitously after they become more than a little underweight. It's also much different seeing these bodies in print than seeing them in per…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 08:32 PM
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Because I'm not attracted to unattractive people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 07:45 PM
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I can't endorse women saying the things you claim in the comments section. I think saying people should kill themselves for being unattractive is sociopathic and cruel. The following is not an attempt to excuse those comments, only an opportunity to consider other perspectives. Men and women face different challenges when it comes to finding somebody they deem attractive. The vast majority of men who hit on me are substantially less attractive than the men I dated and eventually married. This ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 07:42 PM
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Whoever told you that was lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 07:15 PM
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taller, with better face and BMI not in subnormal range. Height: Maybe 5-10% controllable in that you can dress to look taller and change your posture and gait to have better presence. A woman who is attracted you is not going to be suddenly un-attracted when she finds out your numeric height. Also, beyond women wanting a man taller than themselves (which is usually most men) only a small vocal minority of women demand tall guys. Face: Like 40% controllable with hair cuts, skin care, and the man…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 07:08 PM
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Women are not not visual
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 07:02 PM
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how girls will slut-shame prettier, more sexual girls as sluts, guys will try to shame hotter, more dominant men as douchebags or whatever else. Very true. You're also leaving out "tease, flirt, arrogant, cocky, etc." Also if you're a good looking woman, you may have to let male friends go once they get girlfriends, at least when you're young.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 07:00 PM
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Knowing you aren't interested is giving me the vapors.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 06:50 PM
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I'm not very nice You cracked the code, stop making me wet I'm at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 06:46 PM
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If you weren't post wall I'd ask for your number, I want to dread my husband... he hasn't taken me out lately.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 06:36 PM
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You must be objectively above a 5/10 then.... So between 25 & 35 years old, full head of hair, mostly straight teeth, sub 18% body fat?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 06:30 PM
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No. Age-related sarcopenia will start occuring after a certain age regardless of your activity level, which only mitigates the process. This is caused by diminishing levels of testosterone and growth hormone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 06:28 PM
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That's the point I'm making. If you don't like 5s, dont be a 5. Otherwise, stop complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 05:34 PM
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I think the applies similarly to men and women though. I think any man who isn't fat or thin enough to look pubescent is an easy 6. I think what trips men up is they think being skinny is analogous in men and women. A man with a BMI of 22 and little in way lean mass is analogous to this not mature or sexually dimorphic enough to appeal to most tastes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 05:31 PM
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People lose lean mass every year after a certain age. I would say her athleticism and age are big factors there. Even very large breast rarely weight more than a couple of lbs, so that isn't it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 05:24 PM
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The two aren't mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 05:12 PM
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I would say the first photo actually looks pretty slim for a BMI of 24ish. Most women with BMI at the high end of healthy have obese level body fat %.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 05:05 PM
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And really, I think that example is pretty toned for her weight. I would say this is a better example of what that BMI range typically looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 05:04 PM
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According to this site, at 25 years old and 5'5", the 50th percentile for women would be 146 lbs, or a bmi of 24.3. This is approximately what a young, straight (not top heavy or pear shaped) version of that looks like. I'm just providing background on what a 5/10 body looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 04:55 PM
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The only thing I have every seen that even resembles this situation is when one party is in a relationship, and there is a mistress/mister? who is (sometimes) faithful. Even then, there is usually 1) Lies about how dead the marriage actually is, as in the mistress is given the impression the man is not sleeping with his wife or they live separately. 2) The possibility of leaving the marriage is always alluded to, if not explicitly stated. 3) Strong economic and social losses associated with leav…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 04:37 PM
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Five consistently find that high levels of disagreeableness predict high sexual success in both men and women. Define success. Does more sexual partners = success? If that's the case why go for attractive women who are harder to impress? Why not go for every fat, old, crazy as a liability women you cross paths with? Why not cat call every female human on the same subway platform? Also "soft prostitution" is pretty common in the communities that produce gang members and general criminality. Espec…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 03:29 PM
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I don't know why everybody is assuming he's even telling the truth. I think given the medium and the social capital to be gained in his online community by portraying the situation as such, it's more likely he's exaggerating or lying than not. Chances are he wasn't nearly this straight with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 03:20 PM
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No Not exactly. I slept with a coworker I liked, but had no romantic feelings for, and we were only together over a summer. We did have a bit of a romance in a way. More of a summer fling than a FWB. No A guy went down on me once in a frat bedroom. I knew him previously. Make out sessions have happened as well. Yes I like fit guys. I don't like bro-ey guys, however No I messed around with 2 guys at the same time, but no more than hands and heavy petting. No No
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 01:51 AM
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If you're buying a Benz (or even just a 3 Series) and renting in Boston (one of the most expensive metros by sq ft in the country) on only 60k a year you probably have a poor handle on your finances.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 12:02 AM
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People are thinner in the northeast than the midwest or south. I am shocked by how many young white people are comparatively fat when I go down south.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 09:24 PM
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No, you've just dated the wrong men. I know people who cohabitate or marry without intending on having children. Nobody is kowtowing to the other. They get to pool resources, own homes, go on exotic vacations together, and have somebody to grow old with. What's more likely, AMALT or you're just bad at picking partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 08:07 PM
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I can't exactly "walk", I have to roll down the street like that girl who ate the three-course gum before it passed beta testing. Besides it's Cheetohs and Mountain Dew so stop doing product placement for competitors.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 07:56 PM
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How about you bother to fart out an abstract instead of depending on other people entirely to make your point for you... if you think it's so important. And anyway I can't fuck your noble prize, but I do like a full head of hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 07:37 PM
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LOL. That isn't a source any more than my personal thoughts and feelings. A 55+ year old man is not in his prime, biologically or attractiveness wise. Linking to "therationalmale" is not a cogent argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 07:25 PM
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30 to 55+ You are delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 07:04 PM
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Cost-benefit analysis. Right. The guys in the picture had severely weak chins and this is extremely disadvantageous to male attractiveness. To be honest, I don't think either of the women got much gain out the breast implants, but that procedure is also less expensive and has an easier recovery.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 06:59 PM
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The Example B for fillers likely had botox in the upper portion of the face around the glabella, and fillers around the mouth. See if anybody does uses dysport in your area, it's typically cheaper and works just as well. I pay about 200-250 every 3 months, and last time it lasted 4 1/2 months. With repeated use it also begins to last longer. Getting your hair colored regularly is as expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 06:54 PM
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I prefer dresses because I find them easier than coordinating clothes and I enjoy doing my hair and makeup. I enjoy cooking and I've had a natural affection for children for as long as I can remember. I consider myself a caretaker. However, I come from a loud, expressive family so the soft spoken femininity is not natural to me. I think how we define femininity is more an amalgamation of the women in our formative years rather than media. I find "patriarchal" cultures to be implicitly matriarcha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 09:31 PM
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I agree completely. I think part of #3 is also that, however unfair, the onus is still on the man to pursue and demonstrate strong interest in the woman. This same basic courtship plays out over every league. A lot of these guys don't deign to make public demonstrations of interest in ugly women and think that effort is only to be invested in pretty women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 08:16 PM
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If you think the real life sensation of being with somebody else isn't up to par because they arent doing a2m or gaggy blowjobs then you REALLY need to take a break from the computer. Most fantasies are narcissistic. Porn is mostly narcissistic male fantasy. To have fantasy and reality collapse so completely is a sign of a severe mental problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 03:13 PM
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give up anal sex or give up prostitutes LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 03:08 PM
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I'm not really interested in the objectification concept when it comes to attraction. But it's not really productive to assign the most extreme examples of each side when it isn't pertinent to the topic at hand. That would be like me asking "If I said I would be willing to have a one sided sexual exchange with this guy that culminates in smeering period blood on his face, but would kick him out before he gets off because I'm the prize and his chest gives him -2 points, would you upvote me?"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 07:30 PM
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Not saying I wouldn't hit it. Maybe I'm just a "chest gal"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 07:18 PM
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Is this the same guy? I still think his chest looks a little underdeveloped relative to his arms and abs. That's a matter of opinion though, I'm not representing this as fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 06:13 PM
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The guy in the second picture definitely does a lot of strength training If this is so, he would benefit from a lot more chest. That being said, he's hot and everybody knows that takes work.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 05:25 PM
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That aligns with what men I've known have told me. Even the good looking ones get a handful of responses a week. My dad dated online for years, and while the market is supposed soft for men at that age, and he had no problem dating women with kids, he'd get responses maybe 20% of the time. However, I have heard that the response rate is better on eharmony, match, or special sites like jdate or black people meet. Pretty much any site that implies desire for commitment and a paywall narrows the fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 12:51 AM
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Foreplay isn't so distinct from the "play" in sex. Orgasm can be achieved other way. And there are plenty of men who want to enjoy a good foreplay too. This is definitely true. The point that I was making, is that these guys (usually) respond to potential invitation for sex with a list of things that they would want to do for their own pleasure, not things that are for the woman's benefit. Much of it included things that most women either don't particularly like, or wouldn't be comfortable doing…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/16 11:26 PM
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Who said anything about being a deadfish? Don't put words in my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/16 11:04 PM
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I really don't know. In m4m the respondents would were similarly templated except: 1 They would sometimes write 2-3 sentences of mini erotica over how they'd suck my dick or similar. Overall the proposed encounter was much more empathetic, even if there was an element of roughness to it. 2 Would send pictures of their entire bodies, and even their faces, in flattering poses and a boner without camera angles. The ugly/older ones would frequently offer money or lead with an offer for a night out. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/16 10:38 PM
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PIV without foreplay will adequately please most men. this is not true for most women. Typically more time and effort needs to be invested in women's pleasure for an equal outcome (orgasm). most men were proposing the equivalent of having a woman come over and sit on your face for 15 minutes and then leaving. They seem to have developed a Pavlovian response to the idea that women are "pleasure providers" that get off on giving and nothing more and not "pleasure receivers"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/16 09:46 PM
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I used to make all kinds of posts for sport on craigslist casual encounters. w4m m4w m4m w4w all of them. This was back in the day. When I post as a man in casual encounters I got spam responses. Some of the responses look normal, but when you follow up with them they turn out to be escorts. That being said, when I posted as a woman, I got copypasta of a man's fantasy that had nothing to do with the persona I created. Usually they launched into an explanation of the pleasure they want to take, r…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/16 08:48 PM
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Another factor that is worth exploring is that in a fantasy, like a book, you are not one person. You can create the thoughts and feelings of any one person, you can be multiple people simultaneously. A woman fantasizing about the rape could be roleplaying the rapist as much as the raped. The thoughts she would attribute to the rapist aren't generally "what a whore" or "can't wait to get my nut", but the thoughts she wants to attribute to him. "I must have her" "She's too beautiful" etc. etc. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 11:59 PM
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Rape fantasies are also fairly non-violent compared to actual alley/ski-mask rapes. Not many women fantasize about being raped up the ass or given black eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 11:44 PM
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Sips is saying that men will pursue a woman for sex, but few will actually perform the act in such a way to give her sexual pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 03:01 AM
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That's just a codified way of implying you're smarter than other people, and that's why they can't I understand you. I understand you perfectly, I also understand that you were using obfuscation to avoid answering the question. What I don't understand is why the answer to "do men like being treated well" is answered with a straight "yes" whereas the question as to how women like to be treated, turns into you trying to lead me into a hall of mirrors. If I am to take you at face value, and believe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 04:31 PM
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If a woman thinks I'm so awesome that she is willing to (figuratively) walk over broken glass to get into my bed This is the clearest answer you could have given, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 01:26 PM
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Now you're trying to tap dance, because you don't want to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 01:25 AM
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So what sort of treatment turns women on? And why are you implying it isn't being treated well?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 01:15 AM
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Ok. So you think women are turned on by being treated badly and men are turned on by being treated well. If pair bonding isn't permanent, what tangible reasons would a woman have to recapturing the attention of man who is preparing to take his resources elsewhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 01:05 AM
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Why do men assume their wives are (in MRP, for instance) having more sex because they are aroused by dread game? If dread was arousing, and women have implicit dread, wouldn't they be aroused when their spouse texts a coworker or she gets checked out, or implies she doesn't need him? Good sex isn't like watching porn, kid. It's a function of how much a man flicks your bean, not an appraisal of his "alphaness"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 11:32 PM
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How come red pill men project arousal onto their partners by virtue of their dread, when they are not experiencing this arousal themselves. What is your definition of "alpha widow" then?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 11:07 PM
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They also talk of "alpha widows", women bonding to their first partner for life, and women not having the endowed biotroof to cheat or dread like men have
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 10:29 PM
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I was responding to the false dichotomy that biology dictates men want novelty without pairbonding and women pairbond for life. That is often the perspective the red crowd comes from, it's ill-conceived and incomplete
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 09:38 PM
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A man will never get away with even thinking about raping a woman. Who are these mind readers convicting you for your thoughts? Was I asleep when minority report happened? And anyway, I was talking about "mating" freedoms, not "legal" issues. It's weird that mating and raping are so connected in your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 05:20 PM
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Most men in our society don't even have freedom Can you provide me with a freedom men don't have with regards to mating that women do have?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 04:52 PM
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I don't think the female drive for variety/novelty is as apparent, because women, in a vacuum, have lower sex drives. However, people have to forget the idea that women as a group are wired to pair bond for life, just because we as a culture idealize "happily ever after". This is not based on the biological imperative of either sex, it's based more on our economic needs and desire for kinship and deep emotional bonds. A typical courtship in the EEA would last until children were weaned and in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 04:37 PM
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Even in the "olden days" when most people got married, there was some that didn't. And it's a higher percentage than you think. Some people will never be sexually attractive or have the emotional toolbox to be a viable relationship prospect. Most of those people are men. Up until recently, we didn't have a platform (the internet) where we would have to deal with these people. Now we have that platform. That being said, many, and possibly most of the young ones, are stressing about nothing and ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 01:32 AM
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They are useful (to the individual) when paired with higher executive function and future time orientation. Realistically, most psychopaths aren't interesting anti-heros, they commit crimes and burn bridges. Most have poor impulse control and get caught. One thing people don't realize about sociopaths is how utterly bored they are most of time. That why so many of the become addicts and thrill seekers. It's not like social anxiety is replaced with how most people experience "happiness". Most of …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/16 09:22 PM
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If a man indicates he does not find me desirable, the possibility of being turned on goes completely out the window. I could see this working if it's playful, and balances with compliments. Maybe's it's because I was 6.5 or 7 at my peak.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/16 07:06 PM
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Depending on the environment, but in the EEA men who were more successful hunters would still be fast tracked to what you consider "alpha" even though women were still providing most of the calories themselves. Obviously this would matter more in arctic environments. Men who got the kill often had more clout in how it was distributed. Hunter gatherers are pretty egalitarian, but they aren't exactly Marxists either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 04:50 PM
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When has TRP advocated being supportive? I thought asking for support was a "shit test"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 11:17 PM
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If anything, that's some sort of abandonment schema. Why would women select for men who wouldn't provision for offspring? Oh yeah, evo psyche as it benefits your ego, not how it makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 11:16 PM
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Probably not healthy, but then again look at this: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/search?q=you+are+the+prize&restrict_sr=on
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 12:00 AM
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Possibly. Lesbian bed death is a thing. Stop putting effort ---> partner feels undesirable ---> partner is less sexually inclined. Only in this case, comes from both ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 11:24 PM
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It doesn't say 25% were misclassified as obese when they arent. It means 25% were misclassified in both directions. 22% were not obese by BMI but obese by body fat %. 3% were obese by body BMI but not by body fat percentage. The link should go here. So yes, BMI underestimated obesity in both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 07:59 PM
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If you think a 6 would take nothing more than minimal attention and impregnation from a 4 you're delusional. Women who are willing to accept the minimum will look to men more attractive than themselves for that, if at all
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 07:33 PM
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Found the fat day laborer
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 07:31 PM
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Self-described SMV, have you been to r/TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 06:52 PM
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Seems kind of weird that virtually every guy on TRP has an SMV of 8+ and so absolutely none, including the fat ones, have a SMV below 5. I would say that the underlying overestimation of one's looks throws a lot of other resulting perceptions out of wack. Take the ongoing complaints about fat women ruining the SMP for slightly above average guys.... yeah, right.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 06:12 PM
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That's great for you, but you're an outlier. My husband has a BMI of 25 with a bf around 15%. I would say he would benefit more from losing 6-8 lbs of fat before gaining more muscle. Women prefer a men with a bf around 12% and a BMI of 24-25. At a certain point, there are diminished returns to lifting in the SMP. However, as somebody who lifts and knows how hard it is to gain muscle, I commend your dedication.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 06:09 PM
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No, but if you're a 4, you should practically be falling over yourself for a 6, not thinking you settled because she isn't an 8. Men may appreciate good-looking women, but they are have been shown to overestimate their own looks and the attraction level of women in numerous studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 05:53 PM
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Yes, I would say that is less rare. I couldn't find an exact figure on men who were deemed overweight by BMI but not overfat. I did find this. 3% of men who were classified as obese by bmi were not overweight by BF%. 5% of those with overweight BMI studied would not qualify as overweight by body fat percentage. I think it safe to assume that the overwhelming majority of that 5% are men, and by that proportion 9-10% of men are miscalculated as overweight by BMI alone. 20% is often treated as a ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 04:10 PM
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If I rope betas into helping me move, it's going to be guys who can last more than 5 minutes. Fatties have to haul both my shit and themselves, they aren't going to make it. I don't need them sweating and wheezing all over my upholstery, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 03:19 PM
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You quoted a study that said couples were happier when the girl was beautiful. Relative to the man, not as an absolute. If, being generous, 10% of women are "beautiful" then you wouldn't see many happy couples at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 03:16 PM
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Also, wives satisfice with high beta dads for provisioning and security. She ain't settling with a bad provisioning beta in any universe, parallel or bubble. She will settle for a guy makes less than like 60k if thats what's available, and the touch and go $15 day labor will suffice if that's what pays the other half rent, groceries, etc after subsidies. That's the reality for most regions of the US and most income brackets. I doubt it's vastly different in the rest of the post-industrial world …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 03:12 PM
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Assuming you bring the proportional appreciation for her good looks, which I doubt you would.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 02:03 PM
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All good points. Thank you for the intelligent response. I was making inferences based on the "supportive", which I don't exactly see advocated heavily on MRP. Women chose less attractive partners for the same reasons men do, except for the financial aspect as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 02:02 PM
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Cocky + ugly IS extraneous
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 02:01 PM
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That assuming "obese" men have a high level of fitness, and with like 15% of Americans belonging to a gym, and most of those being women, that seems unlikely. So if we are talking about people who look like this then maybe. But that isn't a lot of people. Fat logic when manifested in men, is shit like "I played football in high school, muscle is a one and done", "I'm beefy for my weight", etc. That is rarely true. And even if a guy lifts, if we're talking an extra 15 lbs of muscle and an extra 4…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 01:51 PM
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Men are obese at very similar rates. So that's not a factor exclusive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 03:17 AM
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Mine does, but let's not go down that road, it's silly and it's exactly what OP addressed in his post.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 02:36 AM
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Less attractive guys can be equally appealing to me when they are very desirous of me--that in itself can be as arousing as that extra point or two on the 1-10 scale. What I don't get is less attractive guys thinking extraneous confidence or cockiness is going to get them hotter women. It's not their niche, they should be advertising their devotion and vulnerability, just within the confines of self-preservation and self-respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 02:33 AM
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Because what is appealing about to these pairings to women is not "alphaness". It's actually security, devotion & feeling desirable, basically "anti-dread". That is what they are looking for when they settle a little bit in the looks department. Contrary to what a lot of guys on here think, all women don't have a fetish for being as disposable as tissues. When it comes to relationships, they are happier long-term when they are the prize.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 02:29 AM
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Did that happen? Thats incredible! I hate hiring.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 11:47 PM
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Yes. Just like unattractive men thinking they're oppressed because they don't have a harem of hot women at their disposal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 02:59 AM
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Middle class people living the west in the year 2016 who are mentally and physically healthy are the top .5% of all people to ever live in terms of privilege. In the scheme of human history, people are arguing over things that are less than negligible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 01:57 AM
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Can your next troll account be SocraticIncel or something? I love seeing you here and you really outdid yourself with this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 12:59 AM
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Have you tried bringing toys into the bedroom, playing with yourself during sex (and bringing his hands over yours), mutual masturbation, outercourse, etc? I'm not saying anything is "wrong" with you. I'm just curious as to what you've tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 11:58 PM
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Men can mimic, if not surpass, what you do to yourself masturbating. We call those men "good at sex". You got three duds. I wouldn't say the odds are against 3 in a row being duds, either, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 11:26 PM
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She just said
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 11:08 PM
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My dick is magical, rationally I know 80% of women need their "clitorises" stroked, but they haven't had my dick yet, so the jury's still out. You know?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/16 01:05 AM
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So long as he isn't 1/2 spanish 1/2 german and is over 6'3'' he can beat me til the cows come home. I;ll lay back and take that beating thinking "yes, so long as he's not that degenerated product of a spanish "model" (puta) and a german skin head who could not manage do impart his height, only his close-set beady eyes and his freckling skin. " Also cock over 20cm and a nice short midface thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/16 12:59 AM
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Trying to hook them up was especially educational. Oh? Yep. Usually these guys are unattractive and awkward, and while they dont chase after models, they pine after these girls: The "7" in their group who isn't glamorous. Men who have never lived/stayed overnight with women rarely have a concept of the various potential states of a woman. An above average looking chick in jeans and a ponytail is plain to them, they are so consumed in hyperreality/media they have no frame of reference. The pretty…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 05:25 PM
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