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In that case, you should take a break from approaching and work on saving money for leg lengthening and other forms of plastic surgery.
/r/seduction15/03/25 04:09 PM
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How many girls matching that description have you actually approached?
/r/seduction06/03/25 10:27 PM
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No, it's really not. You can't (yet) buy immortality, and we're all here because we want to experience the fulfillment of being genuinely lusted over by a woman; jerking off - or using escorts if you can regularly afford it - would be enough to just satisfy "the urge". Once you've maxed out your plastic surgery potential, money simply cannot buy genuine attraction.
/r/seduction20/02/25 01:40 PM
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In my opinion, being with a woman who is only with you for your money is no more legitimate than directly paying an escort, and if you’ve only ever slept with a sugar baby or escort, you’re really still a virgin in all senses but the technical one. Money does help, but only up to a certain point; once you can afford leg-lengthening, facial plastic surgery, a gym membership, going out for daygame every weekend, a place of your own in a buzzing city and occasional travel, any further money you ear…
/r/seduction19/02/25 11:59 PM
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PERMANENT god mode is obviously impossible; have you seen what age has done to Arnold Schwarzenegger? Temporary god mode is achievable with 3+ years of intense training plus double leg-lengthening surgery and all of the facial plastic surgery you can possibly afford.
/r/seduction19/02/25 11:53 PM
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I am starting this journey myself. What books and/or online resources did you use?
/r/seduction18/02/25 06:15 AM
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This isn’t even the number of men who make a concerted effort to identify targets and run daygame on the literal streets; it includes those who have done at least one nightgame or warm approach as well.
/r/seduction11/02/25 05:34 PM
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Where do you live where you get ruthless rejections? I am ugly and short, and the only serious problems I’ve run into are two girls who told me off for being a creep when I wasn’t even flirting with anyone and one girl who saw me approaching other girls and decided to be offended on their behalf and complain. None of the 68 girls I’ve actually asked out have caused a problem.
/r/seduction11/02/25 05:30 PM
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The real problem is when a girl assumes you’re a creep who won’t take no for an answer, so instead of giving you cues that you would have picked up on, she puts on a very convincing charade pretending to be friendly whilst silently signaling to her friends or venue security to have you removed.
/r/seduction11/02/25 05:28 PM
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Nuuk, Tokyo, Oslo, Stockholm, Helsinki and Toronto, in order of “prison-gay-inducing” to slightly less hellish. Of course that’s only if you’re counting countries that aren’t highly conservative and have no casual dating culture, like Pakistan.
/r/seduction29/01/25 06:24 AM
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Tell me, have you even BEEN in a nightclub before? How many approaches have you done in real life?
/r/seduction27/01/25 04:56 AM
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Stop wasting your time complaining on the Internet and start studying and putting into practice the recommended readings and other normal pickup advice, as you are not a special case. The wizard virgins who really need to make drastic moves are those who are shit-tier in looks and height and haven’t even gotten signals of interest from a girl in all of those years; if you have gotten interest on APPS (which some men who even get strong signals in real life cannot get) it is 100% your attitude an…
/r/seduction27/01/25 04:49 AM
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Exactly. Only in America (and probably also Japan and Scandinavia, but I’ve never approached there) do thots think it is acceptable to retaliate against a man for approaching politely if they don’t find him attractive. Elsewhere they’re usually flattered anyway and make a polite excuse at worst, or honestly turn you down at best. I’ve even had girls in America claim to be lesbians when I approached them. They would rather risk somebody spreading false rumors about them being gay than give a sub-…
/r/seduction25/01/25 07:29 PM
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Why not European spring break destinations like Ibiza? If you're not having much luck in the UK you're not going to like the USA.
/r/seduction25/01/25 05:09 PM
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The attitude, inflated standards and entitlement of most targets.
/r/seduction25/01/25 07:21 AM
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The USA is one of the hardest countries in the world; choosing Europe instead (excluding Scandinavia) is a no-brainer.
/r/seduction25/01/25 05:29 AM
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The Uk is the hardest place on planet earth to date Canada, Japan and Scandinavia would like a word.
/r/seduction18/10/24 10:15 PM
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How was I supposed to know you already knew about it?
/r/seduction17/10/24 04:57 PM
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Do you really think begging for a hookup on Reddit is going to work after having failed on apps specifically designed for dating? My point here, and the reason I am responding to your post, is that switching from online dating to in-person game is your best hope for success, and this is the right place to seek advice for that.
/r/seduction17/10/24 04:43 PM
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I don't care about the typo; I know what you were trying to say is "that's none of your business" and was responding as if you did. To "approach" a girl in real life is to initiate a conversation with a girl with the intention of dating or sex.
/r/seduction17/10/24 04:37 PM
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I am not a doctor, nor will I become a useless grifter myself and pretend to be one in exchange for your money. I think there's a forum called Looksmax.com that could help.
/r/seduction17/10/24 04:31 PM
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And that’s not of your business You're afraid to reveal that because it's pathetically low, aren't you? Just like almost everybody else here who comes complaining about their dating success after having already tried checks notes nothing.
/r/seduction17/10/24 04:27 PM
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You will get nothing but useless grifters. If you are wealthy, there is no better investment for your dating success than plastic surgery.
/r/seduction17/10/24 04:17 PM
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Really, though, how many girls have you approached so far?
/r/seduction17/10/24 04:05 PM
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This is not a personals subreddit; it is an advice subreddit for people willing to put in the legwork themselves. How many girls have you approached in-person?
/r/seduction17/10/24 03:57 PM
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What they’re saying is that you need to pretend that you are already a successful player and act accordingly, even if you are actually an inexperienced virgin and this couldn’t be further from the truth. For example, if a girl disrespects your time by refusing to commit to a date or making excuses, you need to go completely cold because you’re pretending you have other options and that she will have to work harder than that to beat the (imaginary) other prospects vying for your attention, not ea…
/r/seduction17/10/24 03:36 PM
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I think he meant Jason Voorhees, the villain in the movie Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
/r/seduction24/09/24 03:02 PM
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I wouldn’t recommend it. Imagine being cockblocked at the last second because the girl you’re about to bang doesn’t have the Python interpreter installed!
/r/seduction05/07/24 05:19 AM
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Whoever invented this spectrum that runs from Alpha to Omega did so as a way to make an inherently illogical and messy topic roughly understandable to the layman at a glance. It was NOT intended to be taken as gospel, or to be a one-to-one reflection of an equally rigid or predestined reality. To put it another way, if you have a nice cigar every once in a while, you are considered a “smoker”, but this does NOT mean you need to start smoking multiple packs of cigarettes a day and die of lung can…
/r/seduction05/07/24 02:16 AM
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I just have no words left to describe the hilarity. No words, man.
/r/seduction01/07/24 05:21 AM
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But the second one was? Meaning you have a TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT CONVERSION RATE (still ASTRONOMICALLY HIGH) even if you insist that "ugly girls don't count"? You're just digging yourself deeper into this logic-bomb-created hole of yours.
/r/seduction01/07/24 05:07 AM
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And because people still can't understand the pretending part, so they call people who recommend it out thinking they're promoting some sort of delusional magical spell to effortlessly generate actual abundance, which of course doesn't work. "But I'Ve NeVEr EveN BeEN HiT On BY a GiRl I Ain'T GOTz No AbuNdANCe!!!1!1!1" Yeah, no kidding, or else you wouldn't be looking for advice here.
/r/seduction30/06/24 03:41 PM
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Firstly, what are you trying to do? Just lose your virginity (if you haven't already) or find something more serious? If it's the former, you don't need to evaluate every target for personality compatibility before you start pipelining. Also, how much game have you been running? If you want to stack conversions, at some point you're going to have to bite the bullet and run nightgame even if you wouldn't prefer to be in a bar or club otherwise.
/r/seduction30/06/24 02:26 AM
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Oh, this is even more hilarious than I ever could have expected. So you made FOUR approaches, got one hookup, one long-term relationship and two rejections out of those, equaling a FIFTY PERCENT FULL CONVERSION RATE, yet you come on here being all “woe is me” like you’re some sort of Incel Saint???!!!! For reference, I’ve approached sixty girls and gotten just two kisses so far, which equates to a partial conversion rate of only 3.33 percent, and you can find men on here who have asked out HUNDR…
/r/seduction30/06/24 12:41 AM
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OK, maybe you really are so ugly that you can’t be helped… but I doubt it. Tell me, how many girls have you approached in your life? If it’s a number as pathetically low as I think it is, that first sentence hasn’t been proven true and you’re throwing in the towel way too early.
/r/seduction30/06/24 12:17 AM
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Hi OP, this is something I’ve wondered for a while: what is the best parting message for a girl who wastes your time and either won’t commit to a date, or says yes initially but won’t respond to further texts leading you to call the date off since you’re sure she’ll stand you up? I want to make it clear to the girl that I have better things to do than chase her down and will be pursuing other options, but I don’t want her to think she’s completely lost her chance and that I will reject her even …
/r/seduction30/06/24 12:17 AM
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I’m not sure I understand your logic here. Adopting the “abundance mentality” (which really means pretending to have abundance when you don’t) does NOT mean that you can’t actively approach girls; it means that if any of the girls you approach don't reciprocate your flirtation or waste your time, you back off politely with your head held high, go cold and act like you aren’t invested in the outcome of that interaction, because it’s her loss, not yours, and you’re the kind of Chad who can definit…
/r/seduction30/06/24 12:02 AM
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Hardly any of us actually have meaningful options; if we did we wouldn’t be here! Adopting an “abundance mentality” means pretending to have options and acting accordingly when dealing with girls, even if, in your logical mind, you know that the girl you’re talking to is the first one to show even a hint of interest in the last two years and will likely be the last one to do so for the next two years. If this describes you, then of course the girl isn’t likely to go for you in the end, but you c…
/r/seduction29/06/24 11:53 PM
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So what? You’re not really going out and doing nothing but waiting for the girl to give you cues, are you? You need to do hundreds of approaches before you can throw in the towel, and if you have enough targets pipelined, you’ll no longer be pretending to not be too bothered about what each individual girl says because you have multiple other girls that you’re still awaiting a reply from and could still pan out - that hope will still be there and influencing your behavior even if you’re still un…
/r/seduction29/06/24 11:07 PM
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How much money did Shinzo Abe pay you to say this? Everything I’ve ever read about Japan says that the women are even harder to get than in America.
/r/seduction15/06/24 08:49 PM
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A notch is a notch. Whilst I don’t actively approach girls whom I know are taken, I can count on one hand the number of other men I care about enough that I’d reject their girl if she was hitting on me.
/r/seduction12/06/24 02:36 AM
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I’d consider even ONE lay from 10,000 approaches to be worth it, let alone one every 400. Sure, the cost-benefit analysis of running all that game vs. hiring a hooker doesn’t jive, but you simply cannot buy genuine sexual attraction and the bragging rights that come with seducing a woman into doing it for free.
/r/seduction06/06/24 02:50 AM
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That’s what you do when she’s dithering and won’t give you a straight answer when you try to push for a first date, not when you’ve nearly closed the deal!
/r/seduction23/05/24 10:20 PM
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Why do you even need to ask this? Getting beaten up by the boyfriend (if that’s what the man turns out to be) or bounced out of the bar by security is very unlikely in the first place if you’re not lecherous, and is to be considered an unavoidable “cost of doing business” the few times it does happen - you can’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. The only way to avoid these risks entirely is online dating, but if you were hot enough to get real matches you wouldn’t be posting here. Also…
/r/seduction19/05/24 10:41 PM
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That is what we in the industry call a “cost of doing business”.
/r/seduction10/05/24 10:54 AM
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Anybody who says “Don’t go there just for hookups!” is delusional. Apart from winery/distillery tasting rooms, I cannot think of one time I’ve been to a bar alone without hoping to meet women there; there are many things I’d rather do than spending the night in some bar getting zero results, but staying home playing video games won’t get me girls. What PUA gurus really mean when they say things like that is that you must be in a good mood and try, or at least pretend, to enjoy being there; you c…
/r/seduction15/04/24 07:34 PM
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“The future is flying”? You sure your plug didn’t sell you salvia instead, mate?
/r/seduction24/03/24 08:50 PM
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If she gives you the boyfriend excuse when you try to push for a date AFTER she's already flirted with you, either call her bluff or tease her, asking her what her boyfriend would think if he knew she didn't say no immediately. Either she really did regret flirting with you and will double down on her claims of having a boyfriend, or this was a “shit test” and you just passed it.
/r/seduction24/03/24 06:11 AM
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If the girl smiles at you there is no excuse to not approach. This means she respects you enough that it is highly unlikely you will get in trouble for approaching, as long as you can read cues and back down if she turns out not to be interested.
/r/seduction29/02/24 04:30 PM
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I’m sure the fact that a lot of gay men are also autistic contributes to this confusion.
/r/seduction12/02/24 12:16 PM
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Toronto is much HARDER than the US - and possibly even the rest of the entire world, apart from conservative countries without a casual dating scene. If you can get dates there you can get dates anywhere.
/r/seduction02/02/24 05:33 PM
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highly regional claim Does it apply in the USA then?
/r/seduction31/01/24 05:17 AM
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How has there "never been an easier time for guys to get laid"? Every statistic I've read says the opposite. I am not an incel trying to justify my lack of action; I am just curious as to what makes you believe it is actually easier now.
/r/seduction30/01/24 09:08 PM
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What PUA writers mean when they mention the “abundance mentality” is to pretend you’re the sort of Chad who doesn’t even think twice about ditching a girl who disrespects you or your time, because you know you can still get laid that night with a new girl, no matter how far that is from the truth. They have a point, because although getting any girl who doesn’t reciprocate your initial interest is unlikely, it is a lot less unlikely for a girl you ignore to realise her mistake and come chasing y…
/r/seduction06/10/23 11:33 AM
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So what exactly did she say when you were able to push past an initial “no”, and what did you say in response? I thought that if a girl told you to go away or that she had a boyfriend before you even say something that is flirtatious, that is the strongest possible rejection and you are simply not attractive enough to close the deal in her eyes.
/r/seduction11/07/23 12:33 AM
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ASK HIM OUT. JUST DO IT. You have no right to whinge about missing your chance here or anywhere else if you don’t. Some women have taken it upon themselves to create a culture where a man who just makes a casual non-creepy approach can face severe consequences and/or ostracism if the girl doesn’t find him attractive; these harpies have ruined it for women that don’t hold such a grudge. Can you blame him for looking out for his own reputation?
/r/seduction05/10/22 06:22 PM
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NO! Do not go to anywhere in Scandinavia, Iceland or Finland to meet women, as they have the highest standards in the world. One possible exception is Denmark, which doesn’t seem so hellish, but most other places in Europe should be easier.
/r/seduction22/08/22 04:52 AM
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Apart from Denmark (excluding Greenland) and the Netherlands, all of the countries you listed are the biggest Incel Hells in the world!
/r/seduction22/08/22 04:35 AM
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Why do you say Vietnam is good? It is a conservative country so is probably not the best place for “SEAmaxxing” if hookups are what you want, but it is a lot better if you are actually seeking a girl to marry.
/r/seduction21/08/22 11:50 PM
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What the heck? This goes against everything I’ve heard. I never thought Scandinavia was that much colder than the USA in terms of sociability, but I always considered it to have ludicrously high average female standards that made the dating market more difficult than anywhere else in the whole world.
/r/seduction21/08/22 11:49 PM
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I am aware, but the actual average doesn’t matter so much when girls almost universally want 6ft or over. But with your face they can waive that requirement if you really are 8/10. Since you still haven’t told me how much effort you’ve made so far I can only assume it is little or none, so you have no right to be giving up this early.
/r/seduction20/08/22 03:26 AM
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You are short, but if you’re really an 8/10 that’s more than good enough to outweigh your lack of height. You never did say how many women you actually approached - you better not be giving up already if it’s some ridiculously low number!
/r/seduction20/08/22 03:07 AM
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If you really were giving up you would have just left - you are looking for one last reassurance that you have what it takes. What is your height, how would you rate your face out of 10 and what country do you live in? Additionally, what have you actually done so far in terms of approaching women?
/r/seduction20/08/22 12:39 AM
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In what text did you learn these particular tricks?
/r/seduction17/08/22 07:18 PM
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I was talking about using the tricks in real life, not on Tinder - my concern was due to the fact that Tinder could also affect the real-life dating market.
/r/seduction17/08/22 07:13 PM
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Oh, was this in real life? I assumed you meant girls texting you with excuses when you said "blown off".
/r/seduction17/08/22 05:43 PM
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Also, if you are in a “standards hell” region, namely the USA, Canada, Japan or Scandinavia, going virtually anywhere else in the world will get you more success. And I don’t even mean moving - many guys who can’t even get a second glance in America are high-value enough in foreign countries to have a one night stand holiday romance.
/r/seduction17/08/22 03:13 PM
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How exactly did you respond to these girls that blew you off?
/r/seduction17/08/22 03:10 PM
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How many times has it happened, to be specific? If it’s like 10, those are rookie numbers and you need to double them and double them again before you can give up. If you’ve already had hundreds of flakes and no dates, consider hiring an escort, getting plastic surgery or going abroad to a country where girls still have reasonable standards.
/r/seduction17/08/22 03:06 PM
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But are those OG tricks STILL landing you one night stands in the era of Tinder or do they no longer work? What sort of stuff did you read? Casual relationships are all I am interested in and I might read some of the old material if there is a chance it’ll work.
/r/seduction17/08/22 02:57 PM
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Except if I had value she wouldn’t be playing games in the first place, unless another guy caught her eye and she was “playing us off” in which case walking away wouldn’t do anything.
/r/seduction17/08/22 02:07 PM
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In what way did they waste your time, and what did you say to them?
/r/seduction17/08/22 07:03 AM
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Firstly, saying that you want a “submissive fuckbuddy” will make a lot of women think you are a creep, because you are being too open about sexuality with strangers. Secondly, women don’t want to be seen as sluts and feel weird matching with a guy for the explicit purpose of being his “submissive fuckbuddy” - this doesn’t mean, however, that you cannot game them into having sex with you and taking the submissive role once they have actually met up with you after matching under no particular pret…
/r/seduction17/08/22 06:38 AM
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In many European and Asian countries with legal or de-facto legal prostitution, nightgame makes no financial sense unless you have enough SMV to consistently pull girls after only a few nights in bars buying cheap drinks for yourself. One night at a nightclub with a cover charge, or going out to bars unsuccessfully for weeks on end, easily exceeds the cost of visiting a brothel. This, of course, is assuming you care more about the physical sex than the status symbol of having "properly ascended"…
/r/seduction17/08/22 06:30 AM
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As much as I'd love to insult thots for their thottery, doing so is a very bad idea because they can get you banned from venues or ruin your social reputation if they squeal. It also doesn't do you any favors for going out with them, but I assume these girls weren't interested anyway.
/r/seduction17/08/22 06:22 AM
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Why not spell out some actual scenarios that you have been in so we can tell you what you did wrong? Feel free to DM me about this topic as well.
/r/seduction17/08/22 06:12 AM
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Bad bot
/r/seduction17/08/22 06:08 AM
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What the heck? I really don’t understand why you are being treated so badly then. Where are you approaching these girls and what does your average approach look like?
/r/seduction17/08/22 06:07 AM
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I don’t think anybody who promotes the abundance mentality claimed that you will have an abundance of the exact type of girl you wish to spend your life with, and all of those same people - except the scammers trying to sell you something - will acknowledge that most men don’t actually have an abundance of interested women in their lives. The idea is to PRETEND that you have abundance and to treat women as if you were this hypothetical Chad - this means that you are always on the hunt for fresh …
/r/seduction17/08/22 06:06 AM
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WOW, I was expecting you to say Scandinavia or Japan. The USA shouldn’t be as bad as you describe, considering I also live here, have the Unholy Trinity of short stature, an ugly face and autism, yet have gotten much better treatment from girls I approach. Are you particularly short or ugly?
/r/seduction17/08/22 05:53 AM
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What country do you live in? If it is one with a diabolical dating market like the USA or Japan, you are already more desirable than a large proportion of men just because you get interest from ugly girls - most guys nowadays get N-O-T-H-I-N-G. And why aren’t you actively running game on girls anyway? You don’t need to wait for their signs. If I did that I would have done no approaches at all.
/r/seduction17/08/22 05:50 AM
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The first time I do a long string of approaches, I plan to book multiple girls for the same date venue at the same time in order to avoid wasting time. What should I do in the off-chance that more than one girl actually shows up?
/r/seduction17/08/22 05:36 AM
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I don’t get it. You say you are distraught because women don’t desire you, but at the same time you said you finally got signals of interest from girls in college… so why are you still bothered by this, and more importantly, what is stopping you from reciprocating that interest?
/r/seduction17/08/22 05:32 AM
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Unless you are a Chad, in which case you likely wouldn’t need to ask this, you will not actually be “dealing” with every single woman in an ever-growing pool of prospects - instead, it is like a conveyor belt. Run game consistently, and for every new woman you approach, there will be one previously-approached woman who you are now moving on from because she either rejected you honestly, ghosted you or decided to disrespect your time, and between one and a manageable handful of women with whom yo…
/r/seduction17/08/22 05:25 AM
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You just answered your own question. What is actually stopping you from lining up multiple prospects? Trust me on this one - ALL girls are replaceable. No matter how much you long for a particular girl, approach enough other ones and you WILL eventually find one appealing enough to make you forget all about her.
/r/seduction17/08/22 05:13 AM
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Also, don’t believe a single excuse that girls give you. “But what if they’re genuine?” I hear you asking. Well, it doesn’t matter if they were; all that matters is the effort that she makes to work around her issues and show the hell up at some other point in the near future. If she doesn’t, on to the next.
/r/seduction17/08/22 05:11 AM
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Walking away from a girl who isn’t actually interested in you won’t pique her curiosity and make her want you - she doesn’t give two shits about you because she has so many men sliding into her DMs. And even if she did like you, who’s to say she won’t jump ship anyway? I say walk away, but only to move on to the next thot - the last one ain’t going to come running back to apologise for disrespecting your time.
/r/seduction17/08/22 05:05 AM
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Now that I think about it, my approach-to-asking-out rate is so high because when a girl shut me down before I could ask her out, I didn’t count those times as approaches to begin with. But there have genuinely been very few times when a girl rejected me before I could chat with her. What country do you live in?
/r/seduction17/08/22 04:56 AM
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I think that you should definitely conquer your shyness and try running game in person before going abroad, as this has a much higher chance of success than online dating - SEAmaxxing is a great way for Incels to ascend, but considering you used to be married and apparently went on online dates, that demonstrates you have potential here in America. Also, Thailand is a lot more conservative than you might think; it is only stereotyped as very sexually liberal because of the large number of commer…
/r/seduction17/08/22 04:37 AM
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That sounded really bad at first but then I realised you hardly asked any girls out. What stopped you from asking out the ones you approached?
/r/seduction17/08/22 04:24 AM
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1) I only slid into two girls’ DMs; the other 36 approaches so far were in person. 2) Also 36 out of 38. I’ve only done two nightgame approaches, as far as I remember, where I tried to escalate to kissing or potentially more right away; the rest were dates scheduled for another time. 3) Zero. 4) Zero. 5) Zero, but I don’t have much interest in an LTR.
/r/seduction17/08/22 04:21 AM
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It depends on where you live. SOME women in the Western world have values but many don’t. Anybody who says that good-looking guys get rejected a large proportion of the time and can’t get laid easily is either lying, or living in Scandinavia.
/r/seduction15/08/22 09:07 PM
-6

Yes, I count them. If you were attractive enough they’d almost certainly cheat even if their boyfriend is not made up.
/r/seduction15/08/22 08:50 PM
2

Those are rookie numbers. Do at least 700 approaches and then if you still haven’t ascended you have a right to complain.
/r/seduction15/08/22 08:42 PM
2

How attractive are you and what country do you live in? Depending on your stats and location you might find it more cost-effective to hire an escort rather than go out to bars every weekend for several weeks, months or years in a row getting nothing.
/r/seduction15/08/22 08:30 PM
1

He said that the girls who are openly looking for just a casual relationship are out of his league. Like it or not, a lot of us ARE prepared to lie in order to get sex.
/r/seduction15/08/22 06:03 PM
2

If you don’t cut off girls fast, what DO you do instead when she takes ages to reply or when she flakes on a date? If she doesn’t reply at all do you send followup messages or move on?
/r/seduction15/08/22 06:00 PM
1

Right, and how attractive and tall were your previous partners? Have you yourself actually overlooked subpar looks because a guy was confident or have you dated nothing but 6-foot-plus fit guys with great faces? Be honest here.
/r/seduction14/08/22 02:54 PM
2

Thots ghosting you AFTER they banged you shouldn’t harm your self-esteem - if anything it should boost it! Think about it - if there is one man who only gets interest from single mothers, has to date them for months at a time, and only then maybe gets sex from them after pledging to help with money for the kids, and one guy who can easily sleep with girls from Tinder who will bang him on the first date even though he is ghosted afterwards, which form of dating requires more SMV to pull off? The …
/r/seduction14/08/22 02:52 PM
1

Am I wrong about insane standards, though? And if you think this subreddit is full of lucky guys who got a crumb of pussy and unlucky ones who are completely stumped as to how to get it, I’m pretty sure that’s not sampling bias, because I am convinced that this is the best a non-Chad can hope for ever since the rise of online dating completely fucked the market and enforced the 90/10 rule mercilessly.
/r/seduction14/08/22 02:36 PM
1

Really? If you got any luck on Tinder either you’re underestimating your looks or Scandinavia is not as bad as I thought. Either way, you have absolutely no excuse for that lack of confidence now that you aren’t a virgin anymore. Man up and own the situation.
/r/seduction14/08/22 02:25 PM
3

SHIT. Take a nice holiday to a country where women’s standards aren’t unbelievably insane and run as much game there as you possibly can. Scandinavia is just ridiculous from what I’ve heard, but I wouldn’t completely write off the idea of dating there since you aren’t ugly anywhere else in the world and you may just get lucky.
/r/seduction14/08/22 02:18 PM
1

What country do you live in?
/r/seduction14/08/22 01:01 PM
1

For reference purposes, what country do you live in, what is your height and how would you rate your face out of 10?
/r/seduction14/08/22 01:01 PM
2

So the girl told you to sit down with her? Did she seem enthusiastic to speak to you?
/r/seduction14/08/22 03:55 AM
1

I don’t have much interest in befriending neurodivergent guys, and aspie girls won’t even look my way because they still have enough SMV to get railed by neurotypical Chads.
/r/seduction14/08/22 03:16 AM
1

Visiting an escort does not count as "ascension". I could just keep jacking off to stop myself going insane from sexual frustration, but I want to have "conquered" a girl.
/r/seduction13/08/22 05:04 PM
1

I will pay an escort if all 1,000 approaches fail, or the year is 2030, whichever comes first.
/r/seduction13/08/22 04:56 PM
2

If I waited for “green lights” I would likely have approached no girls at all. I am ugly and hardly ever get hit on, and the few times I did I was in utter disbelief and didn’t know how to react. And I think I am already decent at reading cues and body language.
/r/seduction13/08/22 05:25 AM
5

I do pay attention to cues. If I say “Hi” to a woman and she seems rushed and unengaged, I quickly find a way to end the conversation - it’s only when she is enjoying it that I move onto flirting. I was saying that there is no excuse for a woman being outright rude to me right off the bat if I am not rude to her.
/r/seduction13/08/22 05:21 AM
2

I do not chase girls down who are moving away, but I don’t wait for positive cues as a go-ahead to approach either - I do what I want, and then back off if she doesn’t seem to be enjoying it.
/r/seduction13/08/22 05:06 AM
1

Am I wrong, though? You can’t seriously think that any given thot doesn’t have tons of guys in their DMs of equal or greater attractiveness.
/r/seduction13/08/22 04:57 AM
4

I am short, ugly, AND have Aspergers’ Syndrome, AND insist on Lone Wolf Game most of the time because I haven’t much motivation to make same-sex friends. I am not playing the game on hard mode - I am playing it on I Am Death Incarnate mode in an early alpha build that wants to do nothing but crash to desktop. The fact that I am a 22-year-old kissless dateless virgin who has spent ten years now unsuccessfully trying to get a girlfriend has not stopped me from declaring that I will not only ascend…
/r/seduction13/08/22 04:55 AM
2

A lot of guys here have never even been hit on before because women’s standards in 2022 are so insanely high. Where are we supposed to get “practice” in this?
/r/seduction13/08/22 04:35 AM
7

I still expect her to treat me with respect and not ignore me, talk to me like a creep or insult me if I just start a normal conversation. Unless the girl is hitting on me all of my approaches start as a casual conversation; if the girl is giving off cues that she wouldn’t be receptive to flirting I keep it that way rather than escalating.
/r/seduction13/08/22 04:33 AM
-1

A hotter Chad came along before the date.
/r/seduction13/08/22 03:58 AM
2

That’s exactly what I usually do. The problem is that some girls are very good at pretending to be interested.
/r/seduction13/08/22 02:04 AM
1

Oh, to hell with it! I am going out right now to approachmaxx.
/r/seduction12/08/22 06:49 PM
1

Huh? I am not sure what you are getting at. 2 is not 5 percent of 40, and 5 percent of girls potentially ruining my reputation for an approach is like walking through a field of landmines.
/r/seduction12/08/22 06:47 PM
7

I have approached 38 girls so far and gotten this bad rejection two times. Actually, those weren’t even girls I approached, but ones I just wanted a friendly chat with but misinterpreted that as an approach. Maybe 0.1 percent of girls are antisocial harpies around you, but there’s no point in denying that looks makes the difference between “creepy” and “confident” in many cases and I am definitely not blessed with looks, so I need to tread carefully.
/r/seduction12/08/22 06:44 PM
27

It doesn’t necessarily mean they like you, but it DOES mean that you should go and approach her to find out, because you now have the right to do so without being put on blast. If she immediately treats you like a creep when you speak to her, right after smiling at you, she will be the one in the wrong because she gave you a gesture that any reasonable person would interpret as friendly.
/r/seduction12/08/22 06:40 PM
7

My biggest fear when approaching women is that I approach one girl who isn’t interested, but she automatically assumes that I am a creep who won’t take no for an answer, so instead of actually giving me social cues, she tries to avoid confrontation by pretending to be friendly whilst signaling to her friends/a bartender etc. to step in, causing me to get banned from a venue or have my reputation slandered without any warning when I would have happily backed off if I knew she wasn’t enjoying talk…
/r/seduction12/08/22 06:35 PM
2

That’s awfully specific. What are your actual stats? I am wondering because I don’t think regular casual sex will be attainable to somebody like me no matter how much game I run.
/r/seduction12/08/22 02:15 AM
3

That’s almost a ten percent conversion rate in real life! How attractive and tall are you?
/r/seduction12/08/22 02:07 AM
1

It sounds like you’re going for men who are objectively physically attractive. I am going to level with you here - with your status, you have to choose EITHER a hot guy OR a well-adjusted one. But there are so many desperate and sexless men these days that if you are willing to go for an average-looking one, you CAN find one without any of the problems you just listed.
/r/seduction12/08/22 02:03 AM
3

You aren’t getting matches on Tinder because you are not attractive enough, and it is Chad-only, not because women can sense you are a virgin. It doesn’t seem like you have actually gotten close to sex - if you successfully get a girl in the mood, she is more likely to just go for it than to suddenly stop in the middle of her horniness and ask if you are a virgin. Learn to approach in real life and escalate with a girl to the point where sex is on the table, THEN come back here to seek help if y…
/r/seduction12/08/22 01:59 AM
1

Do the Mormons not do arranged marriage anymore? I would have thought it would be easier than dating outside of the community due to the expectation that women should get married soon and the higher number of men leaving the religion than women.
/r/seduction12/08/22 01:04 AM
1

The USA is almost as bad a dating market as Scandinavia, and Utah might be even harder than that assuming you aren’t Mormon.
/r/seduction12/08/22 12:45 AM
1

The way I define an approach is either asking a girl out, or in a nightgame setting, trying for more immediate results such as a same-night kiss or hookup. What country do you live in? If it’s any Scandinavian country your plight might make more sense. I have approached 38 girls so far without any success, but don’t plan to give up until I’ve approached 1,000.
/r/seduction12/08/22 12:39 AM
1

not asked many girls out due to so much rejection That seems contradictory. Approximately how many approaches have you done?
/r/seduction12/08/22 12:28 AM
0

Also, if you double, triple, quadruple etc. book dates in order to hedge your bets, what are you supposed to do in the off-chance that more than one of the girls shows up?
/r/seduction12/08/22 12:07 AM
1

39, high-achieving and still a virgin? Wow, I would like to know more about why you are that way. Did you actually get signals of interest from girls but fail to act on them for whatever reason? How many girls have you asked out? Do you live in Scandinavia? If the answer to most of these is “no” or “none” then just how bad do you look?
/r/seduction12/08/22 12:04 AM
1

There is only so much soft-looksmaxxing that men can do. If you have subpar facial bone structure and are short, correcting that requires highly-invasive plastic surgery that costs five figures and, in the case of leg lengthening, can come with serious side effects.
/r/seduction11/08/22 11:49 PM
1

What are some better alternatives then?
/r/seduction11/08/22 11:17 PM
1

I am still a dateless virgin at 22, but I have only done 38 approaches so far and don’t plan to give up until I finish 1,000. I am a bit overweight and want to change that but motivation is hard to come by. I think I have a good enough frame underneath the fat to look decent if I lose it so I want to do that before bulking, but am not sure where to start. I think my jawline is good enough already; the rest of my face is what is not up to par and that would require expensive surgery. I am 180cm b…
/r/seduction05/08/22 03:48 AM
6

But do you live in the USA, and what is your physical appearance like? Different places vary widely in terms of how high the “baseline requirement” is in order to enter the dating market.
/r/seduction05/08/22 12:39 AM
2

Yup. Internet addiction is quite something. I promised myself I'd be out of the door by 9AM today and I'm still here trying to get the motivation to just leave the fucking flat. Been like this for a whole week now.
/r/seduction16/07/22 06:50 PM
2

Usually the laziness is combined with some combination of porn use and fear of bad rejections that lead to your reputation being ruined or getting banned from venues.
/r/seduction16/07/22 04:22 PM
3

Could you please point me to some of those resources?
/r/seduction13/07/22 11:13 PM
-2

Nobody except the guys that the girls have already found through online dating before you got there. It’s over.
/r/seduction13/07/22 11:09 PM
1

I’m not really sure what to believe. On one hand, I am Blackpilled to the core, but on the other hand, I stupidly made a promise to somebody online to approach 1,000 girls before giving up, preferrably before 2028, and I intend to keep that promise. I have done 36 so far, still no dates. I will save up 1,500 dollars to fly abroad to a country with legal prostitution and lose my virginity to escorts in a big way if not even one of the thousand girls I approaches has low enough standards to open h…
/r/seduction10/07/22 04:25 PM
1

What is your body count, though, and what country do you live in?
/r/seduction10/07/22 04:20 PM
2

Unless you have basically been a hermit all this time, if you can’t accomplish this already it is unlikely to happen, because having one FWB, let alone multiple, requires you to be in the top 10 percent of men in terms of looks and height, or else very rich if not.
/r/seduction10/07/22 04:19 PM
0

Care to elaborate?
/r/seduction10/07/22 03:46 AM
3

For me, ever since I learned about PUA at age 16 I have used it only as a coping mechanism, keeping it in the back of my head and not actually putting anything into practice, so that I could keep the fantasy alive that my loneliness and sexlessness was entirely the result of my own inaction, and that I was the one with the power to change that, instead of trying, failing, and having to come to terms with the fact that I'd never do well with my ugly looks, lack of height and autism. Deep down, I …
/r/seduction10/07/22 12:49 AM
3

Apart from the obvious legal, sourcing, and adulteration issues surrounding cocaine, bribing a girl with drugs really isn’t the same level of accomplishment as getting a girl to bang you because she likes you for yourself. Plus, this is a covert contract and the girl could easily rinse you for your coke without opening her legs.
/r/seduction10/07/22 12:31 AM
-10

Firstly, that’s fiction. Secondly, he’s a Chad. Thirdly, don’t people almost exclusively meet on social media now and go to bars and such in tight-knit groups not willing to speak to any new people, moreso than in the pre-Internet days when they treated bars as a way to expand their social circle?
/r/seduction10/07/22 12:23 AM
8

I thought the Tinder Chad Buffet was causing more problems in the dating market than Instagram simps. I don’t think a girl’s simps are any sort of competition to guys who are prepared to approach the girl honestly.
/r/seduction09/07/22 07:32 PM
1

Her excuse was that her car was broken, and she apologised, gave a detailed explanation and asked me if I forgave her. Because of the complexity of her excuse I have given her the benefit of the doubt and asked her if she’s free tomorrow, since it is my birthday, and said that I would drive over to near where she lives since I plan to go there anyway, eliminating the car excuse. I am looking for fresh meat no matter what, but thought there was no harm in sending this one message.
/r/seduction06/07/22 12:44 AM
1

Did you give those guys (which you didn’t get cold feet with, but just couldn’t make that particular date) an alternative time?
/r/seduction06/07/22 12:26 AM
1

That's what I WOULD think, logically, but I have actually heard from guys who got given an excuse without a new time, followed up, and then actually went on a date with the girl, so it doesn't seem to be universal that girls will proactively reschedule. Don't get me wrong; I will always move on and leave it up to the girl to make the next move if she's really interested.
/r/seduction05/07/22 01:58 AM
-1

I am moving on, but I think I'll always say "Let me know when you want to go out" because apparently, some girls don't automatically suggest a new time alongside the excuse even if they really are interested.
/r/seduction05/07/22 01:38 AM
1

No, I am ugly and I am still trying to go on my first date at nearly 22 years old. I don’t think I’ll ever have a low flake rate given how little SMV I have.
/r/seduction05/07/22 01:14 AM
2

Nope, I’ve heard of men who did that and didn’t get laid. Also, I want to casually sleep with at least 10 girls after ascending to make up for lost time.
/r/seduction23/06/22 02:56 PM
2

I am not giving up until I approach 1,000 women. If all of them reject me, I will fly to Europe and lose my virginity to legal escorts. I am only 31 approaches in so far but plan to do more tomorrow.
/r/seduction23/06/22 04:14 AM
1

Ur beyond desperate plain and simple. Most men are in 2022, and there is no point denying that.
/r/seduction23/06/22 04:08 AM
0

…What!? If you’ve found a way to magically make boyfriends vanish, I want some of that. On second thought, maybe not, since the thot will just go for another Chad instead of me.
/r/seduction23/06/22 12:49 AM
-5

means that opportunities rarely come along for you. And why is it taboo to admit this? Stealing a girl is far better than not getting any if that is your only option. In my opinion, if you think you are able to KO the boyfriend in a fight should he decide to confront you, his girl is always fair game.
/r/seduction22/06/22 11:09 PM
1

But what is your height and face like and what country do you live in? I feel like you are very attractive in spite of being shy.
/r/seduction22/06/22 10:58 PM
-8

Why shouldn't it? We need to stop pretending that getting laid comes naturally to most men in 2022 and start treating it like a crusade. I am still a virgin at 21, but I am not giving up until I approach at least 1,000 women, and I expect to complete it by 2028. I have already bought a bottle of wine for the celebrations.
/r/seduction22/06/22 03:17 AM
2

One of the hardest.
/r/seduction14/06/22 11:46 PM
2

Yes, you can trust me. Also, since it makes a lot of difference too, what country do you live in?
/r/seduction14/06/22 11:45 PM
2

You are probably being humble and are in fact a Chad. What is your height and how would you rate your face out of 10?
/r/seduction14/06/22 11:14 PM
2

You must be a Chad. Also, why did you only approach 35 girls in an entire year?
/r/seduction14/06/22 10:59 PM
4

Do not choose not to approach until you meet some arbitrary goal. Start now! Being skinny is not a death sentence in the same say that being fat is. Also, do you live in Scandinavia?
/r/seduction14/06/22 10:42 PM
4

No, the goal needs to be at least 1,000. For many men even 700 approaches isn’t enough.
/r/seduction14/06/22 10:34 PM
4

Supply and demand. When so many women are fat and so many men are desperate due to our female standards in general being among the highest in the world, fat women can afford to treat men like shit and STILL, more often than not, get not only casual sex but commitment from high-value men.
/r/seduction14/06/22 10:23 PM
1

21, but I did not start seriously approaching until this year. Also, I was a late bloomer and had almost no sex drive until 19.
/r/seduction12/06/22 11:02 PM
5

I am not Canadian, but I hear nothing but horror stories from there about adult virgins who can’t get laid despite making a huge effort. Japan is even worse than Canada, and Scandinavia is the worst region for dating as a sub-Chad in the world. I come from the USA which isn’t far behind these three in terms of difficulty but I do hear more success stories of ascension.
/r/seduction12/06/22 06:06 PM
0

The actual average matters less than the average minimum height demanded by women. In the USA the average is under 5’11” but femoids demand top ten percent height.
/r/seduction12/06/22 05:55 PM
0

Is 6'0" considered an adequate height in the Netherlands or are the women there delusional whores like in America?
/r/seduction12/06/22 05:46 PM
1

What is your height, what country do you live in and how would you rate your face out of 10?
/r/seduction12/06/22 05:41 PM
0

How does your approaches go? How many do you do before getting laid? I have only done 31 approaches so far and am still a kissless dateless adult virgin, but I am not going to stop until I've done 1,000 approaches. If I still get nothing after that I am flying to Europe and visiting legal escorts.
/r/seduction12/06/22 05:35 PM
2

I was expecting you to say you were 5'7" or below and living in Scandinavia, Canada or Japan. Then you would be truly fucked and the lack of any results from 700 approaches would be understandable. But no, you actually have good stats AND have gotten hot girls without trying before, so I am dumbfounded and don't know what to tell you - you should have gotten at least some lays out of 700 approaches.
/r/seduction12/06/22 05:27 PM
0

What is your height and what country do you live in? Do you mind sending me a picture of your face?
/r/seduction12/06/22 05:16 PM
1

What is your height and weight and how would you rate yourself out of 10? What country do you live in? Women in certain parts of the world have utterly outrageous standards nowadays that only yet higher every year, but in other parts it isn’t so bad.
/r/seduction05/06/22 04:46 PM
1

I would say “yes” if you were an ugly Incel, but since you’ve actually turned down sex, you have no problem attracting girls for free, so there’s no reason to use escorts. You might get rejected right before ascension with a normal girl due to size alone, but visiting escorts first isn’t going to solve that problem.
/r/seduction05/06/22 04:42 PM
1

No, what I meant is that if she actually was interested but felt like she didn’t need to respond in a timely manner, she will realise she’s lost the guy and try to fix the problem the next time she sees him.
/r/seduction05/06/22 04:35 PM
1

Mate, if you don't make a move NOW you'll regret it, because I can GUARANTEE there is some 6'4" Alpha-Chad shithead that is gearing up to take her right now if you don't. There always is nowadays, even if the girl is ugly.
/r/seduction04/06/22 11:49 PM
0

What is this about? DM me if you want I suppose.
/r/seduction04/06/22 11:46 PM
1

At which point do you stop ? For me, one thousand approaches. I am not stopping until I have done all of them. If all 1,000 girls reject me, by that point I will have enough money saved up to fly to Europe and visit legal escorts there.
/r/seduction04/06/22 11:39 PM
-10

He has a high-paying tech job, doesn't he?
/r/seduction04/06/22 11:38 PM
16

Doesn’t change what he said. Remove her from social media if she doesn’t care and if she wants to still be your friend or potential romantic partner, she can start acting like it if you two happen to meet up IRL again.
/r/seduction03/06/22 09:32 PM
14

taking your shot with attractive girls involves risk, Ironically - and I am sure others here have had the same experience - approaching Stacies actually seems to carry less of a risk, because even if you have less of a chance with them than with average girls, they are more likely to be polite and not reject you harshly or ignore you.
/r/seduction10/05/22 04:01 AM
1

Why question it? In your journey to have lots of sex you will need to to do major self-improvement in order to achieve that, and this will pay off regardless of how the actual sex makes you feel. The worst thing to do is to cope by telling yourself you don't want a lot of sex when you can't get any, and the only way to genuinely make that decision without any hint of sour grapes is to make it when you're in a position where you could have sex a lot if you wanted.
/r/seduction10/05/22 03:57 AM
1

Unless you are very attractive, only avoid approaching women in places where doing so would make them feel cornered, or when she is clearly focused on an important task. This last point does not apply if she breaks focus for a second to give you eye contact and a smile, or even explicit signals of interest; it also doesn’t apply to girls just playing on their phones for fun, because they are usually bored and would often rather talk to someone.
/r/seduction10/05/22 01:22 AM
1

I lost my handholdless and hugless status this year, so I am not sure I'm still a "Turbo" Virgin. I will do everything in my power to not be a virgin of any kind by the time 2023 rolls around. Actually, me thinking like an Incel is just a nasty old habit that would have been slightly more justified before the end of last year, when I had never gotten any attention from girls, but since then I have had five hit on me so far. If I up my game, surely I can close the deal.
/r/seduction10/05/22 01:01 AM
-2

Nah, it's a nicer way of saying "toilets".
/r/seduction09/05/22 03:30 PM
0

Ten years ago that wouldn't have been an achievement at all, but rather the norm. More evidence of how unbelievably high femoids' standards have become.
/r/seduction09/05/22 02:35 PM
1

A lot of guys are gonna die virgins Some guys are destined to be late late bloomers Could you elaborate? These statements seem contradictory. Are you implying that guys will die virgins due to not learning game, or regardless of anything they try because of femoids' insane standards?
/r/seduction08/05/22 04:13 AM
1

it is a dismissible amount of people who are virgins above the age of 40, and most people losing their virginity before 20. That's an old statistic. According to recent figures, 27 percent of unmarried men 20-30 are virgins and that was even pre-pandemic. The days when an average man could expect to stumble into sex at some point even if he doesn't want to make a huge and deliberate effort to get it ended when Tinder presented toilets with an unlimited buffet of Chads to choose from and fuck dis…
/r/seduction07/05/22 09:03 PM
1

Reddit inexplicably autocorrected whatever number you wrote to "1." (it's happened to me before). What did you mean to say there?
/r/seduction03/05/22 07:49 PM
13

What is your current weight and height and how would you rate your face? Work out, but run game at the same time - nobody ever said to delay gaming until you reach some arbitrary goal years down the line.
/r/seduction03/05/22 04:29 AM
2

I think that advice has been given out so many times to so many men that it's no longer true.
/r/seduction30/04/22 07:14 PM
0

Am I even wrong, though?
/r/seduction30/04/22 07:11 PM
-13

One man whore even had some girl's boyfriend show up drunk at his place at 3 AM while he was home banging her. What possibly could go wrong in a situation like that? This is precisely why you should sleep with a lot of women casually. Don't make any sort of commitment and you won't be hurt when she INEVITABLY decides to cheat on you with a bigger, better Chad (and don't pretend that there are some women who wouldn't do that; at least not in America).
/r/seduction30/04/22 02:57 PM
11

I don't think it's even bad to marry the girl you lose your virginity to if that is what you genuinely want, and you really love her - what is an issue is when guys would rather have casual sex with several different girls, at least while young, but convince themselves that settling early is what they desire because they don't have enough SMV to get sex easily without commitment. I personally am a 21-year-old virgin who has been struggling for years just to go on a first date without any success…
/r/seduction30/04/22 03:41 AM
12

At the same time, she has to play ball to some extent from the start, even if she's not giving you explicit signals of sexual interest - if interacting with a given woman feels like pulling teeth, move on to the next prospect. In the off-chance that the girl really was interested she will realise her mistake and chase you down when you go cold.
/r/seduction30/04/22 02:17 AM
7

"Your funeral, not hers"? How likely is it that a girl will MeToo a tall Chad for just trying to test the waters and ask her out? When in doubt, approach!
/r/seduction30/04/22 02:12 AM
99

ALWAYS expose yourself to many new women and be on the hunt for new targets, because no matter how cute your oneitis looked, how compatible her personality was with yours, how much she charmed you with her femininity and how irreplaceable you think she must be at this current moment, search enough and you WILL find a girl that is equivalent to or better than her and will make you forget all about your past obsession.
/r/seduction30/04/22 02:07 AM
3

Yes, but in my experience as an ugly, lowinhibmaxxed man, most girls you approach won't be creeped out enough to do anything beyond rejecting you, as long as you aren't overtly lecherous and don't push her the first time she says no or makes an excuse. It is very unlikely that you will be insulted or MeTooed.
/r/seduction30/04/22 02:04 AM
1

That was in France, if that can help you. That's a shame; the USA seems to be a harder dating market than any European country outside of Scandinavia, and the average height on my college campus is more like 6'1" with Chads being in abundance. Nonetheless, I have already made this bet and I am not going back on it - hopefully one out of one thousand girls says yes.
/r/seduction28/04/22 01:06 PM
2

I am taking action regardless of what people say - I am just wanting to know what to expect. I may be a 21-year-old virgin with rage right now, but I am not giving up until I have asked out 1,000 women, and I have even said that I will not even enter any committed relationships with girls until I have casually slept with at least 10, in order to make up for lost time - as impossible as this goal sounds right now.
/r/seduction28/04/22 09:22 AM
1

No, I am not cool. I just like to confirm people’s physical attributes to decide whether I can aspire to the same thing or whether I should write off any plans to do what they suggest.
/r/seduction28/04/22 09:16 AM
1

Ah, in that case I'd imagine not a lot of advice pertaining to picking up girls in nations with a casual dating culture can transfer over.
/r/seduction28/04/22 06:38 AM
1

It’s not like the girls who promote their OnlyFans on Tinder would have dated the same guys that they send it to before the invention of the platform instead - spammers will be spammers.
/r/seduction28/04/22 06:33 AM
1

Say something that indicates you haven’t ghosted her, but at the same time won’t be interpreted as “chasing”, like “Right, if you want to FaceTime me I’ll leave it up to you to message me with a time”, and then leave it at that whilst simultaneously moving on to your next potential girl as you await her response - her attitude is what matters and if she does message you apologetic about wasting your time and seems into you still, don’t continue to punish her out of principle.
/r/seduction28/04/22 06:32 AM
2

So you don’t think the effects of OLD have fully spilled over into the real world and made IRL dating just as hard as online? Also, you mentioned OnlyFans, but I think that would only make dating easier rather than harder because the number of men who are now simps instead of active participants in the dating pool is far higher than the number of girls rendered undateable because they actually post to OF.
/r/seduction28/04/22 06:19 AM
5

What “personal experience” is this to be specific? Do you live in Scandinavia? In my own experience, when I confidently approach a girl, it is much more likely that she is actually flattered by my approach and lets me down nicely, rather than being creeped out - even though I am a fat, ugly, short autistic guy.
/r/seduction28/04/22 06:13 AM
-1

I don’t agree with saying stuff like “Hey I know this is random but…” - because apologising before you’ve even managed to potentially offend her does not make you look particularly confident. What do you need to justify with the explanation? Introducing yourself? If she has a problem with you just saying hi, and you weren’t being a creep, that is not your problem but hers.
/r/seduction28/04/22 06:09 AM
1

How has this affected you personally? Do you think that the rise of dating apps have made looks completely non-negotiable or is this stuff still worth learning? Unfortunately I never got to experience dating before Tinder.
/r/seduction28/04/22 06:02 AM
3

Is this just because existing Incels got more vocal, or has online dating actually ruined the chances of less-than-hot men to bag women using “game” because they are now saturated with attention from Chads? Absolutely everything I’ve seen and heard points towards the latter.
/r/seduction28/04/22 05:55 AM
2

What country do you live in, how tall are you and how would you rate your face out of 10? I feel like maintaining any sort of harem is strictly Chad-only.
/r/seduction28/04/22 04:30 AM
11

And you cannot achieve abundance without putting yourself out there. Abundance is something all men should strive to experience as soon as possible, if not for the dating and sexual experience, at least to understand what it's like to play the game on an even level. By your definition I think having won the genetic lottery is absolutely non-negotiable in order to experience "true abundance". Someone like me who needs to make a herculean effort just to not be invisible to girls can pretend that t…
/r/seduction28/04/22 04:29 AM
1

How did THAT work out, then?
/r/seduction26/04/22 02:38 PM
1

How did it work out?
/r/seduction26/04/22 06:59 AM
1

I am already planning to go on a huge self-improvement journey over the summer because I made an online bet once that I wouldn’t give up trying to lose my virginity until I’d asked out 1,000 girls, and because I am a pathological truth teller I cannot take that back. I also promised that I would not settle for a long-term relationship with any girl until I had casual sex with at least ten to make up for lost time. The fact that I am a fat, ugly, autistic Incel and have been trying unsuccessfully…
/r/seduction24/04/22 07:15 PM
0

How many men have the genetic potential to be able to drop a flaky thot and move onto the next girl quickly without any real worry about sexual frustration? Most femoids in 2022, especially in my home country of the USA, have become Chad-only and see top 10 percent looks and height as non-negotiable - game cannot change this - and it takes hundreds of approaches to find the rare exceptions.
/r/seduction24/04/22 04:32 PM
1

I wonder why this would happen Because somebody came along who was taller and/or more handsome than you. Women never choose to go single because their current prospect isn’t good enough on second thought and wait - there is always someone else.
/r/seduction24/04/22 04:22 PM
7

Getting laid is a “stepping stone” to a relationship? Having a one-night stand requires FAR more SMV and is much harder to accomplish than starting a relationship with some girl who sees you as a beta-cuck and gives infrequent bad sex. If you can pull girls for a ONS now, I am sure you are already capable of getting a high-quality relationship-minded girl.
/r/seduction24/04/22 04:18 PM
2

You had a fling with a girl? In that case you really were “choosing” not to have sex rather than saying that as a cope when you couldn’t get it anyway, because this demonstrates that you meet the minimum standards for looks and height. The other advice on this subreddit should serve you well, then.
/r/seduction24/04/22 04:16 PM
3

What country do you live in, how tall are you and how would you rate your face out of 10? Also, have women ever flirted with you?
/r/seduction24/04/22 04:05 PM
2

Keep in mind the reverse is too too. In theory, yes. In practice, most men are staring down a dry spell that could potentially be years long if they dump their girlfriends that aren't returning the same energy - and increasingly, women are fully aware of this and have no qualms about using it to their advantage by reducing the amount of effort they put in, just because they can.
/r/seduction24/04/22 04:03 PM
2

It's fucking sad that women are in such short supply these days that learning fighting is a necessary prerequisite to stop yours from being stolen.
/r/seduction24/04/22 01:00 AM
0

Im not that good looking Balderdash. Ive legitimately never had a girl interested in me in person Hard to believe - and like I said, it doesn't matter. GET OUT THERE AND RUN GAME.
/r/seduction23/04/22 02:14 AM
1

I'm 6'4, decent career, I workout regularly, play basketball, go out with friends and I've been rejected over 200 times at this point Do you live in Scandinavia? If not, is your face very ugly?
/r/seduction23/04/22 02:12 AM
1

All of them? With your looks? Even in Canada's hellish dating market I don't believe that; you must be misinterpreting. You mog me and I've been hit on by girls before.
/r/seduction23/04/22 02:10 AM
1

Not if you open like a normal conversation to gauge her attitude. If she gives you "fuck off" signals, end the conversation. If she is receptive (but not necessarily flirting), start flirting with her. If she is open to talking to you she will almost certainly reject you nicely rather than MeTooing you.
/r/seduction23/04/22 02:05 AM
5

You do not need to wait for signals of interest - just go up and approach girls. And based on your photos, you can DEFINITELY succeed unless you are extremely short - you are not a truecel.
/r/seduction23/04/22 01:31 AM
1

Yes, this. I will add, though, that you should only lie to get sex if you are looking for a quick bang rather than an LTR, and if your country doesn't have "rape by deception" laws.
/r/seduction22/04/22 11:10 PM
3

Did you even tell her that you don't do texting? If she's into you she will work around that.
/r/seduction22/04/22 11:08 PM
1

What is your height, what country do you live in and how would you rate your face out of 10? Maybe factors other than your physique are hindering you. I totally agree with not settling for girls who are the female equivalent of you BEFORE your arduous self-improvement journey and would rather remain single than do the same.
/r/seduction22/04/22 11:06 PM
10

I really hope this doesn't happen to me if I ever get lucky with a girl; I prefer to avoid fighting (not because I am afraid the actual fighting but of criminal records and being banned from places). Also, what are your physical attributes and what country do you live in?
/r/seduction22/04/22 11:03 PM
12

Did you fight him or was it just her simps?
/r/seduction22/04/22 10:53 PM
0

My local college bar is full of mogger Chads and I am usually one of the shortest ones there despite being 180cm... but that SOMEHOW hasn't stopped multiple even shorter and uglier guys than me from getting lucky the last couple of times I've gone there! That experience made me a bit Redpilled again after I had taken the hardcore Blackpill and thought that my looks and height were completely unacceptable.
/r/seduction22/04/22 10:44 PM
-1

Also, if you're going to call me "butthurt", what sort of suggestions do you have for improving my game?
/r/seduction22/04/22 06:45 PM
13

go get some pussy nerd 26 (edit: 27!) rejections down, 973 left to go before I can give up trying.
/r/seduction22/04/22 06:29 PM
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It doesn't matter because he clearly got lucky due to looks alone.
/r/seduction22/04/22 06:17 PM
7

I'm flummoxed, have no idea how did it happen. Must be something other than your game. What are your physical attributes and what country do you live in?
/r/seduction22/04/22 06:01 PM
1

Europe, outside of Scandinavia, Iceland, Finland and Greenland, is easier than the USA, but you need to be careful of Spain's gigacucked feminist laws.
/r/seduction22/04/22 03:24 PM
8

i can go out & approach tomorrow for 2 hours & find 2 women who are down for sex What are your physical attributes and what country do you live in? Most guys definitely can't manage that no matter how good their game is. Also, I think FemaleDatingStrategy is totally out of touch because they only want members to date the cream of the crop, but act like those guys don't have other options and use tactics that would only work on a nearly-incel chump who is staring down a multi-year dry spell if th…
/r/seduction22/04/22 03:17 PM
0

I wouldnt pursue a woman for more than 3 dates without sex or at least sexual behavior is involved. I have no options at all and I wouldn't pursue a woman after even one date if she didn't put out, because I'm not going to be used for free food and booze when she's guaranteed to have ridden Chad within minutes of meeting him before. This is assuming that she is a typical thot - if I have it on good authority that she really is more conservative or nervous, and she is also being very affectionate…
/r/seduction22/04/22 02:30 PM
-1

That's cope. I guarantee she has at least one 6'4"+ Alpha-Chad on speed-dial, EVEN if she's ugly.
/r/seduction22/04/22 02:26 PM
1

Don't try to "revive" anything. If trying to get a girl feels like pulling teeth, drop that thot and find fresh meat.
/r/seduction22/04/22 12:48 AM
0

How hard was it to get this girl and how long did it take you? If you don't struggle with dating, replace her. If you don't have enough SMV to not suffer a long dry spell after jumping ship, reconsider.
/r/seduction22/04/22 12:24 AM
1

I may be an Incel at the moment, but I'm not giving up on trying to change that until I have approached 1,000 women.
/r/seduction21/04/22 05:23 PM
0

And when women can fuck whomever they want rather than being restricted by repressive religion, they all fuck the same top 10 percent of Chads.
/r/seduction21/04/22 12:28 PM
1

Says who? And what does this guy have to lose? She isn't giving him strong signals of interest so it is likely that he will have to move onto the next thot anyway regardless of how this one takes an unannounced phone call.
/r/seduction21/04/22 03:44 AM
1

Let’s say I were to waltz over to a girl in public and begin conversing about fuck knows what, but I wasn’t trying to eye fuck her or touch her or turn the conversation sexual or do any of the typical pick up bag of tricks - would it be jarring if I asked for her number at the end? Some girls may automatically realise why you are talking to them even without flirtation and only give you their number if they are open to a date; others may really think you are just looking for a friend, so you sho…
/r/seduction21/04/22 03:43 AM
1

How many women have you asked out, to be specific? Don't limit yourself to only the ugly girls - always approach the hotties as well, because there is a very small chance they might say yes, and more importantly, Stacies tend to be a lot more polite and less likely to reject guys badly than Beckies even if they only date Chads. Approaching hot girls also gives you lots of social proof.
/r/seduction21/04/22 03:30 AM
1

If you are 6’7” and not hideous, you would have had to fight girls off. You don’t need “game” or confidence with those stats; just recognise when girls hit on you and let them escalate.
/r/seduction20/04/22 10:36 PM
1

I have approached 23 women so far and won’t give up on trying to lose my virginity until I approach 1,000. Unforunately, I am short, ugly, and live in the USA, which might be an even harder country in terms of female standards if what you wrote is true.
/r/seduction20/04/22 07:09 PM
1

WHAT!? Either you're lying or a multi-millionaire. I thought Scandinavia was a dating hellhole!
/r/seduction20/04/22 05:55 PM
1

So have you ascended yet or are you an adult virgin?
/r/seduction20/04/22 05:53 PM
1

Oh, you already do? What is your height and how would you rate your face out of 10?
/r/seduction20/04/22 05:52 PM
1

Oh, well in that case you haven't been turned into an Incel by standards escalation. I suggest looking abroad for women worthy of marriage.
/r/seduction20/04/22 05:05 PM
2

I’m moving there in June this year. OUCH. Sorry bro. Scandinavia has the most demanding women in the world regarding physical appearance and I know multiple adult virgins there who would be considered Chads in America.
/r/seduction20/04/22 04:36 PM
1

When was the last time you pulled a girl? If you are looking for marriage, looking abroad might be the best option.
/r/seduction20/04/22 04:11 PM
1

good education and jobs How good? If they earn six figures, that explains their success. I didn't have success because I'm below threshold in some of those factors (mainly look) Why is that past-tense? Have you given up? What is your age, height and country of residence and how would you rate your face out of 10?
/r/seduction20/04/22 04:10 PM
2

Christ, how ugly is your face for you to be an adult virgin at that height?
/r/seduction20/04/22 03:49 PM
1

If the girl cares about you having previous experience, lie to her. Only if she asks though - don’t fabricate a story right off the bat.
/r/seduction20/04/22 03:47 PM
2

I wasn't blaming my own lack of success on that; I think I actually do meet the minimum requirements after seeing an even uglier guy pull a girl in a bar. I was just saying that some people just aren't going to make it if they have real truecel looks.
/r/seduction19/04/22 03:05 PM
5

It's not achievable for everybody depending on their looks, height and country of residence; meeting minimum standards of physical appearance is non-negotiable.
/r/seduction19/04/22 02:57 PM
3

I feel like I can’t convince myself that women want me no matter what. They may not want you, but after years of rejection, do you really give a shit about whether or not you hitting on them ends up offending them? That is the attitude to have.
/r/seduction19/04/22 02:54 PM
5

No different to here. I've heard of American guys who have a double-digit body count exclusively outside of the USA but haven't succeeded with a single girl back home, and this includes girls from wealthy European nations, not just third-world women who might be seeking a green card.
/r/seduction19/04/22 01:55 PM
3

If she won't play ball, move onto the next thot. It should be very easy for a Chad like you to get laid again.
/r/seduction19/04/22 01:21 PM
12

I would also consider Japan Is this a joke? Japan is the country with the highest rate of inceldom in the whole world and the standards of their women (if you can even call them that) for physical appearance and income is nothing short of insane.
/r/seduction19/04/22 01:15 PM
7

Australia Australia has some of the most inflated female standards in the world; I've heard it is even worse than dating in the USA.
/r/seduction19/04/22 01:15 PM
4

Avoid clubs where the average guy is tall and good-looking What sort of club doesn't meet this description, outside of niche clubs that will be sausagefests?
/r/seduction19/04/22 04:38 AM
2

Maintain a confident attitude but look like you're confused by her reaction. A girl glancing and smiling at you doesn't automatically mean she's interested, but it does usually mean that she's open to a conversation and doesn't consider you a creep right from the start, and she should have realised that before giving you those signs.
/r/seduction19/04/22 04:28 AM
1

Well, I will do everything in my power to increase my appeal anyway and see if I can not only lose my dateless virgin status, but make up for all of that lost time.
/r/seduction19/04/22 03:21 AM
2

There's more than enough information out there for you guys to do the same and put in the work. I don't need every guy out there siphoning off of me in a matter of minutes what it took me years to discover Chances are that whatever "secret" you have discovered is something somebody else has already written about elsewhere and that by revealing it you will just save other guys a bit of time rather than disclosing something groundbreaking. Also, the number of guys that are on here looking to compe…
/r/seduction18/04/22 01:19 PM
1

Drop this thot and look for fresh meat. Next time, don’t stop pushing for a time and place until she either makes firm plans or admits that she isn’t interested.
/r/seduction18/04/22 02:49 AM
1

What do you mean by that? Has she seen it?
/r/seduction18/04/22 02:44 AM
1

because ima seem like im feening What's "feening"? I assure you that there are no downsides to this - EDIT THE MESSAGE! Don't think, just act. Dating is not logical. every other girl ik it would be unnecessary because im not tryna date them Yes, that is why you need to be looking for new girls. That is what I meant rather than trying to convert friends into romantic partners. Flirt with two, three, four or more new girls and if they don't reject you immediately, invite them ALL to a date at the …
/r/seduction18/04/22 02:36 AM
1

I am a 21-year-old virgin incel and a lifelong social reject. Do you think I care about "knowing my place" or "acting in character" at clubs and such? No, I "live large" regardless of how visible I am to the other men there or how weirded out the girls will be by some lunatic dancing alone, because I am far too jaded by my circumstances to possibly give a flying fuck about how the beta chumps and mogger Chads will perceive me or how much I will creep out the thots. Have more fun than anyone else…
/r/seduction18/04/22 02:34 AM
1

Why would you not edit the message when there are only upsides to doing so? And have you already started planning where you are going to find your next potential girl? Like I said, next time invite multiple girls to the same place at almost the same time to hedge your bets.
/r/seduction18/04/22 02:27 AM
1

its too late kinda cause its gonna be weird i sent a message then unsent it, then sent another one. It won't be weird; people accidentally hit send too early or make spelling errors (for example) all the time. Never give the thots an easy out! Push for firm plans! also who's to say she didnt see it without opening it Why worry? If she did see it through notifications already (which is unlikely), you've already almost certainly blown your chance and can't change it now. And don't wait for her rej…
/r/seduction18/04/22 02:20 AM
2

I don't want to come off as a creep You are 6'4"; you do not need to worry about this.
/r/seduction18/04/22 02:15 AM
15

This isn't a dating site and isn't visited by women. Use the advice on here, go out into the real world and start approaching thots.
/r/seduction18/04/22 02:12 AM
1

Actually, you shouldn't have added "...but it's cool" to the end because that could be interpreted as you backing out of the date offer. Delete the message now if you can, and if she hasn't seen it yet, and resend it without that.
/r/seduction18/04/22 02:10 AM
1

I would be interested to hear her reply.
/r/seduction18/04/22 02:04 AM
1

As someone currently in the stud phase Is it too late to have one if you're only starting the self-improvement journey at 21?
/r/seduction18/04/22 02:00 AM
1

so should i bring it back up and say "yea thats why i said when youre available" and hint at it again No real harm in doing so. If that doesn't make things click, move right on to the next girl and only come back to this one if she decides to stop messing around and reaches out.
/r/seduction18/04/22 01:58 AM
2

she’s way out of my league and every dude has a bit of a crush on her so I wasn’t about to make any moves Never decline to approach on this basis! I once knew a girl who looked like Lara Croft but complained about being lonely because no guys would approach her. Even if it is less likely that she will date a sub-Chad, in my experience, the Stacies are actually more polite and far less likely to reject guys rudely or ruin their reputation for approaching.
/r/seduction18/04/22 01:57 AM
0

Cope harder.
/r/seduction16/04/22 08:46 PM
2

That doesn't work for 90 percent of men.
/r/seduction16/04/22 07:59 PM
1

What do you mean by "more to the story"? And what I am saying is that I am coming to terms with the fact that my unchangeable looks like height and bone structure might actually be good enough for at least some girls and won't be the one limiting factor keeping me an Incel if I were to become good at game and improve on the aspects of looks that I can alter.
/r/seduction16/04/22 07:34 PM
2

Porn and masturbation is pure copium and the number 1 thing killing my motivation to go and approach in my case. I have been off it for a week and the difference is night and day. I think you should set yourself an approach goal (over 200 approaches, preferrably 1,000 or more), and say to yourself that if you haven't achieved a specific goal (whether it be having gone on your first date, getting at least one kiss or full-on ascension) by the time you complete all of those approaches, then lose y…
/r/seduction16/04/22 07:28 PM
1

Canada? That's even harder than the USA! Damn, I really have no excuse for rotting here spitting Blackpills instead of going out to run game.
/r/seduction16/04/22 07:16 PM
1

Oh, I assumed you were from the USA since that is the western country with the largest number of sexless men. In Latin America you might have a chance with that height and looks level.
/r/seduction16/04/22 07:03 PM
1

Oh wow; how much success have you actually had? Also, do you live in the USA or a country where women still have reasonable standards?
/r/seduction16/04/22 06:58 PM
1

Then move abroad; that is the less painful option.
/r/seduction16/04/22 06:57 PM
2

For reference, what are your looks and height like? I suspect those guys getting no pussy have no way to change that because they are lacking in those departments.
/r/seduction16/04/22 06:39 PM
-3

Leg lengthening surgery or move abroad to a country with a decent dating market.
/r/seduction16/04/22 06:16 PM
1

I don't know if im creep or really ugly If you are ugly, women will be creeped out regardless of how good your game is.
/r/seduction16/04/22 06:03 PM
1

Pretty much, yeah. The reality of looks and height can be circumvented in a limited way with a lot of skill, but I certainly wouldn’t be in the position of being a 21-year-old kissless dateless virgin if I was attractive.
/r/seduction16/04/22 03:18 AM
1

Sorry for not seeing this; you didn't reply directly to my post. Anyway, everything you have said indicates that you do have Chad looks and I won't believe otherwise until I see a picture. I promise that I won't share or save it anywhere. so you say you’ve been doing this 10 years I say 10 years because I had my first crush at 11; I am still only 21 now. It is worth noting, though, that I had no sex drive at all until 18 (only desiring romance before then) and have not seriously been trying to r…
/r/seduction16/04/22 01:49 AM
1

Because it's no use saying "this game works" if women are naturally drawn to your Chad-tier looks. You could be a complete fuckwit and still get laid with good enough looks and height.
/r/seduction16/04/22 12:27 AM
1

Excellent; thanks for the report. Out of those 1,000 girls, on the other hand, how many have rejected you badly or threatened to - or actually - reported you to security/police? above average in face Do you mind DMing me a picture? Every guy who says he's "above average" isn't merely above average in my experience; he's a full-blown Chad. If your looking at complaining ass black-pill content (the 6ft thing) stop. Most dont advocate change I used to be hardcore Blackpilled, but became a little bi…
/r/seduction15/04/22 05:24 PM
1

But what was your success rate out of 1,000?
/r/seduction15/04/22 03:48 PM
4

That logic should be true, but unfortunately they can and will ruin your life through social exclusion or even legal action if you approach one who considers you offensively ugly (which is to say most of them if you are an objectively average-looking guy - although not all of them will be offended enough to do anything but reject you normally).
/r/seduction14/04/22 09:24 PM
2

What are you trying to sell?
/r/seduction14/04/22 07:26 PM
2

Only 23*. I plan to reach 1,000 approaches by the year 2028; if I still haven't lost my virginity after approach 1,000, I will allow myself to give up. *That is only counting the girls I asked out on dates and not the ones I asked to dance during nightgame and such.
/r/seduction14/04/22 06:42 PM
-2

So three? I am not too convinced that you have a high body count in one of the hardest countries for dating in the world whilst being under 6ft tall.
/r/seduction14/04/22 06:34 PM
1

So then how many girls out of these hundreds of approaches did you bang... two?
/r/seduction14/04/22 06:32 PM
3

Height?
/r/seduction14/04/22 05:07 PM
3

But what country do you live in, how tall are you and how would you rate your face out of 10?
/r/seduction14/04/22 04:27 PM
2

I have promised that I will approach 1,000 women before completely giving up on dating and just trying to cope. So far I have only finished 22 approaches and only one girl even rejected me honestly; the rest lied or made excuses. My goal is to finish this by the year 2028.
/r/seduction13/04/22 02:28 PM
1

If that’s you in the profile picture then you are attractive. Exactly what I thought. I have now been wanting a girlfriend for ten years and am on the brink of losing my fucking mind from the loneliness; just getting a kiss would send me over the moon, let alone being able to take girls home and bang them on the same night.
/r/seduction13/04/22 11:48 AM
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But do you spend a lot at clubs? That could influence your success by implying you are rich.
/r/seduction13/04/22 03:31 AM
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Oh, well that’s almost as bad as Scandinavia. Don’t write the prospect of running game off, but don’t get your hopes up either.
/r/seduction13/04/22 03:19 AM
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What is your height, and do you live in Scandinavia?
/r/seduction13/04/22 03:12 AM
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Oh right, you are the 5’7” Asian guy I saw a post from earlier, but without seeing your photo I can only assume that you have an extremely attractive face based on your results. Also, what plan of action would you have taken to get girls if you were not made of money, since your game clearly relies on flashing the cash?
/r/seduction13/04/22 03:04 AM
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But what is your height, how would you rate your face out of 10 and what country do you live in? I suspect that this only works because you are a Chad.
/r/seduction13/04/22 02:35 AM
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I would sympathise with you if you simply did not meet the minimum looks and height threshold that modern girls demand. However... We were having a good conversation, then she suggested we be friends with benefits. Being a kissless virgin I naturally agree. We get to planning to meetup, and later on, only like 5 hrs before we plan to me up, she brings up having her best friend join us. THIS is not a chance that guys who are true Incels ever get offered. If somebody offered you sex - regardless o…
/r/seduction13/04/22 01:29 AM
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Like respect the relationship and shit ...Implying she'd do the same if she was in a relationship with you and a 6'4" Gigachad hit on her. No, if you can beat her boyfriend in a fight should he decide to take revenge, she is ALWAYS fair game.
/r/seduction13/04/22 12:58 AM
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I think we can fill in the blanks there. Absolute Chad.
/r/seduction13/04/22 12:30 AM
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Personally IRL could get 6s even maybe 7s the same evening and fuck them in my car no problem What is your height and how would you rate your face out of 10?
/r/seduction13/04/22 12:25 AM
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Because prostitution is still illegal in America (and expensive) and porn only cuts it for so long.
/r/seduction12/04/22 08:13 PM
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For reference, what country do you live in, what is your height and how would you rate your face out of 10?
/r/seduction12/04/22 05:41 PM
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Nope, this is the way the market is in 2022, even for conventionally attractive men (who fall short of being full Chads) - I am fully expecting to get nothing out of my own thousand-approach promise.
/r/seduction12/04/22 05:21 PM
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However if you’re 6’8 and jacked and all then you could probably fight off most men but I highly doubt that’s you ? Nah, that's not me. But at this point - and I'm not even joking - being beaten unconscious seems like a small price to pay if I get lucky with a girl beforehand.
/r/seduction02/04/22 12:58 AM
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I am doing it - the party hasn’t started yet.
/r/seduction01/04/22 10:56 PM
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Stop commenting shit on Reddit go out in the real world and better yourself I know; I am just impatient waiting to go out and run nightgame tonight.
/r/seduction01/04/22 10:06 PM
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so when you win her over then you have to continue to fight off guys ? Uhh... yes? Do you realise how much attention any given girl gets? You don’t flirt or try anything with a taken person regardless of gender it’s not right ! If you believe that you must have the luxury of being able to attract single girls. If a taken girl is willing to cheat for me, after how little success I have had, do you really think I'm turning that thot down?
/r/seduction01/04/22 10:02 PM
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That's what eleven years of wanting a girlfriend and not getting one does to a man. The loneliness almost physically hurts at times.
/r/seduction01/04/22 08:26 PM
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Online dating created them. Gone are the days when "game" worked for average men.
/r/seduction01/04/22 08:17 PM
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Edit: If you KO her boyfriend?! I wasn't suggesting to fight over a girl, but to only attempt to steal a girl from another guy if you think you can win in a fight should he decide to attack you as revenge.
/r/seduction01/04/22 08:16 PM
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7.
/r/seduction01/04/22 01:52 AM
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Exceed the minimum looks and height threshold is what I should have said. If you're 5'10" you can definitely succeed as long as you have a decent face.
/r/seduction31/03/22 05:04 PM
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I saw your photo - yeah, you’re DEFINITELY not a Truecel. Go out and run game.
/r/seduction31/03/22 04:14 PM
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Those stats are average on paper, but if girls have given you interest, that demonstrates that you meet the minimum looks and height thresholds that most girls have and can almost certainly change your kissless virgin status - so start improving your game. Only if you had completely subhuman looks and were invisible to girls would it not be worth even trying.
/r/seduction31/03/22 02:46 PM
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Are they REALLY or are you just telling yourself that because you lack confidence? You sound like a Chad who could slay with decent game.
/r/seduction31/03/22 02:41 PM
1

What is your height and how would you rate your face out of 10? Have you ever gotten any signals of interest from girls?
/r/seduction31/03/22 12:58 PM
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Yes.
/r/seduction31/03/22 12:57 PM
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No, they only care about looks and height.
/r/seduction29/03/22 11:13 PM
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What are your physical characteristics, anyway? How tall are you and how would you rate your face out of 10?
/r/seduction28/03/22 04:14 AM
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Plus I don't think I'd meet the kind of women I want at bars or clubs anyway, Is this an assumption or have you discovered this firsthand? I feel like my personality is antithetical to success using such methods. Then change it. Unfortunately you will have to find further advice elsewhere on here as I am still attempting to "ascend" myself, but personality is not fixed like bone structure.
/r/seduction28/03/22 03:14 AM
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Do you realise how much SMV you need to have ANY success on Tinder? If you can bang fat thots on there you can bang hot babes IRL. Stop making excuses. I know what you mean, though; I am so used to thinking like a Blackpilled Incel (having received no attention at all from girls for the first 21 years of my life) that my brain conveniently glosses over the fact that I have not socialised or been in situations with lots of potentially single girls nearly enough this year, and the few times I have…
/r/seduction28/03/22 02:53 AM
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That's short, but if girls have flirted with you, it indicates that you meet the minimum physical appearance threshold and there is therefore no excuse not to run game.
/r/seduction28/03/22 02:45 AM
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just using apps as a crutch JUST using apps as a crutch? I have never gotten one single reply from a Tinder match, but four girls have hit on me in real life within the past five months, and they were all hot. For various reasons none of them panned out, but if you have what it takes to even bang the fat Tinder thots, you should definitely not write off the idea of finding a hot babe through in-person game.
/r/seduction28/03/22 02:44 AM
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What is your height and how would you rate your face out of 10? Have girls ever flirted with you?
/r/seduction28/03/22 02:39 AM
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Apologies; I was saying that this is what you should consider if you are short and ugly rather than implying that that was the case. Looks and height are non-negotiable, though, if you want to... no, hang on, two nights ago I saw this short and plain-looking dude making girls go wild for him in a bar. Actually, scratch that. I was Blackpilled to the core for quite some time but based on that alone it seems like "game", versus looks and height, MIGHT just have some merit.
/r/seduction28/03/22 02:34 AM
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I am strongly in favor of legalised prostitution for the reasons I outlined above, but I personally have vowed to ask out 1,000 women before I give up trying to get a girlfriend.
/r/seduction27/03/22 11:18 PM
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Accepting that your unchangeable physical appearance (such as height and facial bone structure) don't cut it in the extraordinarily demanding dating market of 2022 isn't self-pity in my opinion. The best choice would be for him to get high-level plastic surgery and/or leg lengthening., if he can afford it, and the second best choice would be to date abroad in a country where standards are still reasonable.
/r/seduction27/03/22 10:35 PM
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How is it fucked? Nobody chose to be born too short and ugly to find real affection, so why should they be punished for it by being forced into sexual frustration if they don't want to break the law? Also, the rate of Inceldom in the USA has gotten so high that it is causing systemic societal issues.
/r/seduction27/03/22 09:49 PM
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I can always go to nevada and see a professional The legal brothels in Nevada are so expensive that it is actually cheaper to fly to Europe and pay for sex there, let alone the closer and less pricy brothels in Mexico.
/r/seduction27/03/22 09:43 PM
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Have some social ettiquette. Dont talk about her tits on the first interaction. This goes without saying, but the issue is that if you're as short and ugly as I am, a totally non-sexual compliment delivered in a very polite way can be interpreted as "creepy" by a lot of girls.
/r/seduction27/03/22 12:43 AM
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If you meet the "universal" minimum requirements for physical appearance that most girls have, you CAN learn to succeed no matter how bad your game is now. If you don't, you need to either get surgery or go abroad to a country where the girls still have reasonable standards.
/r/seduction26/03/22 09:33 PM
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I'm sure any non-Chad will get so badly mogged in those clubs that a ONS is off the table.
/r/seduction30/01/22 03:59 PM
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Wait for IOIs? What if I’ve never gotten one in my whole life?
/r/seduction16/03/21 02:08 AM
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woman tells men how to date women “If you want to hunt a nice, tasty deer like me, load your cartridges with FLOUR. Gunpowder doesn’t actually work, believe me!”
/r/seduction14/02/21 04:08 AM
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Either. Just don’t take up hobbies etc. that you have no interest in solely to find girls.
/r/seduction30/01/21 03:15 AM
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"What's up" doesn't usually get very good answers; ask her about what she's doing instead, and then if she responds positively, compliment her on something, preferrably something she can change at first (rather than her body) like her outfit or hair.
/r/seduction30/01/21 01:38 AM
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By "not looking to get laid", do you mean not looking for a hookup, or not looking for sex at all until marriage?
/r/seduction30/01/21 01:36 AM
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Again, this is something you have to judge; if she’s intently focused on her work, don’t; if she’s looking up from what she’s doing, maybe consider it. You should open with a simple greeting and then escalate rather than starting with a pickup line or comment about her, so that if she tells you she’s busy and can’t talk, it would just be like you were trying to ask her for the time or something rather than flirting.
/r/seduction29/01/21 11:31 PM
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Just do it! Girls are usually flattered by people flirting with them even if they turn down the date for whatever reason. If you see a girl who is studying or something, just judge the situation and decide whether she’d be pissed by a few seconds’ distraction or not - it’s only a bad idea to corner girls who are focused working on something; if what she’s doing doesn’t seem that pressing, go ahead.
/r/seduction29/01/21 11:20 PM
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Pedestalising women? I feel like I actually have the OPPOSITE problem; I expect hot women to act badly thinking they'll get let off the hook due to their looks, and because I don't tolerate such injustices, I am less patient around them.
/r/seduction28/01/21 04:38 PM
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Pedestalising women? I feel like I actually have the OPPOSITE problem; I expect hot women to act badly thinking they'll get let off the hook due to their looks, and because I don't tolerate such injustices, I am less patient around them.
/r/seduction28/01/21 04:38 PM
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This is why playful teasing is so effective Ah, right, that’s what you meant - I used this technique already one time and it was indeed effective; I gave a teasing response to a girl who was being vague with me and this caused her to finally cough up the fact that she already had a boyfriend. Just withdraw all interest, soft next her... If she comes back correct... Herein lies my issue - if a girl pushes me away with rudeness or indifference, why would she follow up with ME instead of hitting up…
/r/seduction27/01/21 06:03 PM
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You’re definitely not the only one intimidated by pretty girls, but I don’t suffer from this problem and am curious as to why you do. Pretty girls are really no more likely to be rude or arrogant than the general population, in my experience; also, remember to maximize your options and meet more girls to reduce the pressure on yourself, so you don’t feel like you’re missing “The One” if you mess up.
/r/seduction27/01/21 02:41 AM
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Don't undersell your hobbies I'm sure as heck not underselling the music interest... nobody else in my entire state plays the same instrument I do. And that's fine by me.
/r/seduction27/01/21 01:45 AM
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Thanks for this advice! A few questions: what do you mean by "Stop worrying about earning her trust, start challenging her to earn yours?" Also, when you say "some girls will test you to the point where a reasonable person would expect rejection", do you mean the point where an average person would give up?
/r/seduction27/01/21 01:30 AM
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How is attempting to convey a better and higher-value image "manipulation"? "Tricks" and "fool" are just terms; I never tell outright lies to anybody for any reason*, male or female. *Unless the subject relates to mice or recorders. Why I give myself these exemptions is a long story.
/r/seduction27/01/21 01:18 AM
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I already said that I was not averse to maximising my options and that girls will have more of them than I do. What can I do specifically when first approaching a girl to "get her hooked" so that she actually notices and wants to follow up when I ration out my attention?
/r/seduction27/01/21 01:15 AM
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Indeed; I am different to other people (not in an objectively bad way) and I have decided that I would rather remain dateless than sell out and completely act like a “basic bro”, if that’s what it would take. Also, as part of my non-lying policy, I will never take up hobbies or interests that I have no actual interest in for the purpose of getting girls; my interests of art, skiing, the outdoors and music aren’t the most ideal as a launching pad for dating.
/r/seduction27/01/21 01:12 AM
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Of course, but those “other options” will also have social circles full of Chads; there is no way I can “out-option” an individual desirable girl. And girls can’t magically see how many others I’ve checked out; I need to convey the idea that it will be no big loss if I don’t get her (whilst also implying that it WILL be a big loss if she misses out on the chance to date me), and am wondering how to do this.
/r/seduction27/01/21 01:05 AM
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“Just be yourself” sounds like awfully bluepilled advice. “Myself” is not appealing to girls and I am not ashamed to make radical changes to my life for the sole purpose of finally having some dating success. When I say “fool her” I really mean attempt to convey an image of higher value without outright lying; I am a pathological truth-teller and would never tell a girl anything blatantly false.
/r/seduction27/01/21 12:59 AM
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If you've never met her in real life, don't bother. She probably has dozens of thirsty guys blowing up her inbox at all times and there is no way you can distinguish yourself from them without face to face interaction. If you do know her in real life, only escalate face to face; don't try flirting with her on Instagram until she is already invested in you.
/r/seduction26/01/20 01:32 AM
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What exactly did you say to the girls when you used this tactic? Did you do it with girls who declined? or just with ones who flaked or concocted excuses? I don't mean to question the validity of your post, but I still have a hard time believing that this could work. If I were to ask a girl out on a date, or even to join me for an activity I was doing anyway, multiple weeks in a row, I'd feel like a contemptuous arsehat and she'd probably see me as totally oblivious or a creep who was trying to …
/r/seduction18/01/20 10:04 AM
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Also, from what I gather on this subreddit, some AFCs make blatantly sexual and discomforting passes at 6s and 7s naïvely thinking that they are desperate, and easier to "get" for noncommittal relationships, and then pull out all the stops when they get their "one chance" to approach an 8 or 9 (in the off-chance that they do so at all) acting all civilised so as not to sour their prospects of a long-term romantic relationship with them (which is obviously the only form of relationship they ever …
/r/seduction04/01/20 10:28 AM
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This is a bit nitpicky, but for future reference, calling women "females" in a non-scientific discussion comes off as a bit neckbeardish. Anyway, can you put into words why you have approach anxiety? If it's because you think you will get rejected rudely, keep in mind that real life is nothing like movies and TV in this case, and rude rejections are very rare. Realistically, the worst that could happen is that the girl awkwardly freezes you out of the conversation (apologise and move on), or tri…
/r/seduction03/01/20 05:05 AM
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Yes, I do know about the online social justice warriors, when I said "by whom?" I was only talking about my personal experiences in real life.
/r/seduction19/12/19 11:19 PM
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where even approaching a woman and talking to her is considered (sexual) harassment By whom? I guess I've been really lucky then, because every girl I've approached and complimented was flattered and seemed to enjoy my presence*, and I'm not even attractive. *Except for one girl back in high school who told me that a compliment of mine was creepy... whilst smiling and giggling at me (???)
/r/seduction19/12/19 02:55 AM
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Boohoo? What do you mean by that? I am not complaining about the hard work that getting girls would require so much as the fact that I don't actually want to do it really - I am very good at repressing my sex drive (what little remains of it) and would devote that energy to far more important things if my subconscious allowed it.
/r/seduction05/12/19 04:01 AM
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No, I wasn't accusing you of sounding conceited, I was wishing you good luck and saying that if I think I can approach girls you certainly can too.
/r/seduction04/12/19 03:27 AM
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But it has happened on a number of occasions I've never been complimented on my looks, so you are already in a better position than me.
/r/seduction04/12/19 03:10 AM
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I wouldn’t say I creep girls out. And have even been told out right by women that they find me attractive. Then you have no reason not to start approaching right away. Initial flirting is all about making a girl feel good and you don't need to have an exciting life to do that; a fun life is valued far more in the context of a long term relationship but you are working on that.
/r/seduction04/12/19 12:30 AM
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I can’t approach because I have no reason to be confident. I need to build a sense of self and be a better man. That's probably the most common excuse in the book. Confidence is not a social status and not something that can be bought on a store shelf - it is a state of mind. Anybody can project an image of confidence no matter how much of a loser they are, and as long as they own up to their failings, it is by no means arrogant or disreputable for even said loser to be confident. I think that w…
/r/seduction04/12/19 12:01 AM
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I've never not felt like giving up. I would have sworn myself to complete celibacy long ago, if it wasn't for my absolute bastard of a subconscious mind that wallops my conscious brain into submission every single time I try to rule out a big accomplishment like this. My subconscious mind doesn't care about the fact that I am at a university where I am completely miserable and isolated, don't fit in anywhere and don't even know where to start meeting new people. It doesn't care that the new peop…
/r/seduction03/12/19 11:32 PM
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I didn't do it secretly without his permission... Oh, you didn't? Well, that changes everything; I take back what I said. And I actually welcome being challenged; browser history, on the other hand, is sacred.
/r/seduction26/11/19 08:45 PM
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I looked at his phone usage I sincerely hope that I never suffer the misfortune of befriending you.
/r/seduction26/11/19 08:40 PM
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This is my worst fear, and I actually am ugly. At least right now I can live happily, lying to myself that my lack of success is due to a lack of hard work, and that I could get a girl if I tried. I know full well that that isn't true, and nobody at my university will really let me into their social circle to begin with.
/r/seduction24/11/19 03:42 PM
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Firstly, posts about situations involving specific people should be posted to /r/askseddit rather than here. Anyway, without knowing much about the situation, I would say just go for it. As long as you know how to follow up with reassurances if she declines your date, girls tend to be forgiving of things like this more often than not and will still want to be friends with you, at least in my experience. The potential gains from making your relationship a romantic one outweigh the very low chance…
/r/seduction10/11/19 03:11 AM
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way way way way way way way easier said then done What is? Making friends, or getting invited to a party? How do you suggest I improve, then?
/r/seduction07/11/19 03:30 PM
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I tried that; I wasn't accepted. I actually felt like I fit in with the fraternity brothers during the rush events, but I never get to see them anymore now that rush season is over. Of course, I have their Instagram/Snapchat contacts but I can't just message them asking whether I can do anything with them because that would come across as desperate.
/r/seduction07/11/19 02:55 PM
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The problem is that I have very little motivation to make friends unless they really think the same way I do, or I stand to gain something from the relationship. In the former case, they're not the kind of people that go to parties, and in the latter case, even if they don't see right through my ulterior motives, I have better things to do than make meaningless small-talk for nebulous benefits.
/r/seduction07/11/19 02:55 PM
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I’m not trying to “force attraction”, but rather fool her into thinking that I’m not easily replaceable and that I also have other options.
/r/seduction06/11/19 04:55 PM
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lower your standards Easier said than done. Since I have no libido whatsoever, I have never decided to settle for a girl who would be romantically unsatisfying just to get sex. Also, my standards certainly aren't supermodel-level, but they are still at a point where I am competing with many men that I simply do not stand a chance of outclassing in terms of height and looks thanks to genetics, regardless of how much work I put in. just act like your good enough for her and show blatant interest I…
/r/seduction06/11/19 02:59 AM
1

Finally, some encouraging words regarding modern dating. On the subject of venues, though, do you think that there are still as many girls attending, considering they no longer need to actually go out to find a partner with online dating?
/r/seduction20/10/19 05:38 PM
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There were guys I met 10 years ago that could pull every day, and needing to only open a handful of girls. Not this 'you can only bang 1 out of 100 girls you open' garbage or 'its a numbers game' that seems so widely accepted now. But are you sure that this is due to changes in the seduction community, rather than changes in society?
/r/seduction20/10/19 03:36 PM
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Ah, I see. I think that the “feminine” traits such as compassion discussed in that post can come in handy, but they should only be revealed when push comes to shove, such as if your long-term partner breaks down in tears. Encouraging men to display these traits openly and without prompt is not something I support.
/r/seduction18/10/19 03:56 PM
1

...what???
/r/seduction18/10/19 03:28 PM
1

More feminine? How so?
/r/seduction18/10/19 03:27 PM
1

Sorry to sound clueless, but what do I say afterwards? General hints or a link to advice elsewhere is good enough. Also, what do you mean by “ping”?
/r/seduction16/10/19 07:34 PM
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I read your article about peripheral vision, but I'm not sure it applies to me, because girls never give me glances or display obvious signs of interest. Can I just avoid looking her in the eyes before I go in for an approach? Having said that, though, I am very unamused by entitled behavior and do tend to go for the "sweet feminine girls" more often than not.
/r/seduction16/10/19 07:03 PM
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You can't really blame me for doing that when I've never seen a single piece of reliable evidence proving that looks aren't everything - I've never seen a hot girl dating a guy who isn't far more attractive than me, and as for Reddit success stories written by "ugly" men, you know how humble people can be when discussing their own looks. But, you know, all of that actually makes me want to work even harder in order to prove myself wrong.
/r/seduction16/10/19 05:57 PM
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I would suggest ignoring her (at least until she asks what is wrong, if indeed she does) as responding in a cold manner might give the impression that you don’t like her for reasons other than her dithering habits. I could be wrong here, so anybody else is free to chime in on what I said.
/r/seduction16/10/19 04:58 PM
2

But how much of that “quality” is attainable through hard work and how much of it is down to genetic attractiveness?
/r/seduction16/10/19 04:51 PM
1

...well, at least that suggests that they are still out and about. Do you think you have an advantage approaching them in real life?
/r/seduction16/10/19 03:49 PM
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she remembered that she was already invited for another lunch she always talk [...] about guys approaching her in the gym and asking her number.... You are her second option. Stop giving her any attention; if she really wants to be with you, she'll need to act like it. Judging by the fact that she still values you in some sort of way by coming to find you, she may well care about you cutting off contact and ask you what the matter is; if this happens, tell her that you don't appreciate how vague…
/r/seduction16/10/19 03:16 PM
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Some people on this subreddit, including me, are total social rejects that have never had any experience with women and just want to get to square one. When we talk about "learning natural game", we mean learning things that are actually common practice amongst romantically successful individuals; the difference is that we never acquired those skills through social osmosis and need to learn them in a systematic manner.
/r/seduction16/10/19 02:32 PM
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And if you do manage to meet her in real life, you need to swallow your fear, take her off her high pedestal and approach her as if she was some Plain Jane whom you could easily replace if she didn't warm up to you, rather than "The One Chance". She may have many more followers than you do on Instagram, but when you two are speaking in person, you are on an equal footing - her Instagram status only elevates her into a goddess if you let it.
/r/seduction16/10/19 02:28 PM
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Women only want to see men fail to pick them up, and then laugh at them with their girl friends. Wow. Are you speaking from personal experience? How many times have you actually gotten this response? In my experience and the experiences of many others, the only women that will rudely blow you off or make fun of you are the ones who have bad manners in all aspects of their social lives, not just dating, and you would not have liked dealing with those girls even if they did want to date you (and I…
/r/seduction16/10/19 02:20 PM
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A rejection does not necessarily indicate that you were undesirable to her. Being desirable in terms of personality and looks is not enough to guarantee a spark of attraction - the girl's subconscious mind also has to play ball, and that doesn't always happen even when her conscious mind sees him as a great guy. I say this because I have been on the other end of it before: I used to know a girl in my old high school who was very beautiful, friendly and sweet yet somehow never kindled any feeling…
/r/seduction11/10/19 12:26 AM
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What should I do? JUST MAKE A MOVE. I may be inexperienced myself and unable to tell you specifics, but I've bungled a similar situation before and wouldn't want you to suffer the same fate. You would be surprised at how forgiving girls can be of missteps if you treat them well afterwards; considering she clearly respects you and is comfortable around you, a non-reciprocated advance probably won't be the end of you two as friends. Believe me, I once made a girl seriously upset when I lost my tem…
/r/seduction10/10/19 11:58 PM
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I too was tempted to discredit this excerpt as "let them eat cake" advice from a guy whose attractiveness plays a much bigger role than he realises, but Mark Manson isn't exactly a male model in terms of genetic gifts. Perhaps most men could indeed improve their appearances to a level where this would hold true.
/r/seduction07/10/19 06:39 PM
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OK then; that question is the only one I really have, and I would appreciate it if you could answer it here when you get the time to do so for the benefit of other people.
/r/seduction07/10/19 03:26 PM
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Thank you very much. I'm sorry to sound clueless, but what are "identity-based questions that elicit an emotional response"?
/r/seduction07/10/19 02:51 PM
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Some girls are so used to guys hitting on them, it's almost like unwanted spam in their email. What does it usually look like when an "average frustrated chump" hits on a girl? I would like to know so that I can differentiate myself from them. Try to break the ice by saying more polarizing things in a fun and playful way. I think I know what you mean, but could you give me some examples? It's important to understand that you're not meant for everyone. Some people are going to like you, some peop…
/r/seduction07/10/19 02:03 PM
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If you don’t have that confidence, earn it. I have the confidence to walk away, but I know that doing so won't give her time to see how much she likes my personality, and without that, why would she care one bit about me walking away when she could schedule a date with a 6'4" male model type in three seconds? Is there something I'm missing here? Edit: Argh, what am I saying!? Self-doubt and ruling things out without experimentation is no way to approach dating. I'M GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY!
/r/seduction02/10/19 01:54 PM
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“I don’t have time for maybe”, and WALK away..... With all the competition I have, there's no way she will even consider chasing after me. Also, just walking away would be a bit awkward if we are sitting at a table together. How do I handle this in that circumstance?
/r/seduction02/10/19 12:13 PM
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If an attractive girl had parked improperly, blocking your car in the parking lot, and you needed to quickly ask her to move it, would you be nervous? Probably not, because you aren't expecting anything significant out of the interaction nor any rudeness or attitude in return for your question. (If you don't own a car, substitute any other mundane everyday request). It is possible to feel the exact same way when cold approaching if you are in a position where your happiness doesn't hinge on her …
/r/seduction28/09/19 11:07 PM
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If you think this is difficult Perhaps I didn't phrase that right; I wasn't saying it was difficult to get a girl interested in me, but rather that it is very unlikely that any girl would ever make the first move on me by expressing interest before I did. What I was asking was whether the results of this "be myself and don't act like I need her" strategy would differ if I used it with a girl that I had just flirted with as opposed to one that gave me an IOI first. Also, yes, I was never intendin…
/r/seduction28/09/19 10:48 PM
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but because you are fine with whatever happens. This already is the case to some extent - the one good thing that came out of years of sexual repression and failure is the fact that I don't need a girlfriend in order to be happy; I just see a relationship as something nice to aspire towards. What is far more difficult, however, is getting into a situation where there is a girl actually taking an interest in me. If I kindle a girl's interest, and then act cold, would it be the same as acting disi…
/r/seduction28/09/19 10:32 PM
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I know I'm asking a lot of questions, but why are you nervous around attractive girls?
/r/seduction28/09/19 10:13 PM
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Are you saying that it works from personal experience? It just seems so illogical to my mind.
/r/seduction28/09/19 10:03 PM
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I don’t do too many clubs besides one for my major and intramurals. OK then; with clubs and activities it's more about quality than quantity. How much socialising do you do in these clubs? Are you considered "popular" in any social circles? sometimes I’m nervous Can you pinpoint why? What chances are your nerves talking you out of taking, and what do you think the consequences would be if you went ahead and took those chances?
/r/seduction28/09/19 09:06 PM
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What is your platonic social life like? Are you part of any clubs on campus? Do you carry yourself with full confidence when making cold approaches, make eye contact with the girl, and speak in a clear, casual-sounding voice? Do you make an effort to dress well? These are boilerplate questions, but I just want to make sure you aren't lacking any rudimentary stepping stones, which (no offense meant to you) it seems like might be the case based on your last post.
/r/seduction28/09/19 08:53 PM
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Do you mind elaborating on your journey so far and what setbacks you've had in particular? putting in a bunch of effort to get nothing If you put in a bunch of effort, getting absolutely nothing is highly unlikely unless you have some very bad attribute that you can't change, such as a face disfigured from serious injury. You claim to be "decently attractive", which is more than can be said for some of the other guys here who have had success in the end.
/r/seduction28/09/19 08:29 PM
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Yup Nope. If you really were ready to give up, you would have just given up, rather than posting your "resignation letter" here. Posts like this are usually a last plea for help. Why not actually tell us what you need help with?
/r/seduction28/09/19 08:00 PM
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This sounds a little bit optimistic. I always get smiles and glances from girls, but since I am not attractive, surely they do it with everybody and it means nothing.
/r/seduction28/09/19 02:12 AM
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Don’t be a creep What, exactly, did you think I was going to say that would be considered creepy? Also, I'm pretty sure saying "OK, thanks" and just walking off would be even more creepy in her mind than continuing the conversation and bringing it to a close.
/r/seduction28/09/19 01:25 AM
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As long as you know from experience that it isn't a confidence issue preventing you from approaching, there's no point in forcing yourself to approach a girl that you feel no desire towards.
/r/seduction27/09/19 06:43 PM
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Does it happen with the same people, though?
/r/seduction27/09/19 06:36 PM
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Does this happen with all attractive girls, or are you only not in the mood around certain individual attractive girls? If it's the former, your subconscious mind could still be trying to talk you out of approaching due to fear, but if it's the latter, yes, this is perfectly normal and it is something that has happened to me before. Looks may get you to turn your head, but it is behavior that ultimately kindles desire, and not all hot girls match your "type" as far as behavior is concerned.
/r/seduction27/09/19 06:27 PM
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He said in his post that he was acting cluelessly when he started out and had very weird body language. If he had to start from scratch knowing what he knew now he wouldn’t need any of those things to be successful. Of course, money and looks always help, but they had relatively little to do with his eventual success.
/r/seduction25/09/19 07:46 PM
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Thank you! It's so great to finally hear a credible report from somebody who is in the exact same boat as me (or even in a slightly worse boat, as I started working on social skills at a younger age) and yet still went on to become highly successful with women. All of the "success stories" on that I've read previously on here seemed to have been written by people who were tall and attractive but socially inept, had never been out with a girl but had a big circle of great platonic friends to use …
/r/seduction25/09/19 06:24 PM
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If you don't mind me asking, how did you approach these girls that rejected you in school? Were they immature teenagers? In my experience, and from what I heard, it is actually very unlikely that you'll experience a bad rejection if you aren't outwardly creepy nor approaching the girl in an inappropriate situation*. Perhaps you need to find more platonic friends first, preferably by meeting them through a shared interest, something in which you're "in your element". That's boilerplate advice, bu…
/r/seduction25/09/19 02:59 PM
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I stress out and blush a lot What is your reasoning for this? What do you think is going to happen? Have you had bad experiences approaching girls in the past?
/r/seduction25/09/19 02:36 PM
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You can start by taking the time you spend posting the exact same thing on multiple dating-related subreddits over and over again in short succession, and spend it working on yourself instead.
/r/seduction23/09/19 03:06 AM
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OK, the context is a bit unclear here. Did you meet through online dating? Did you do anything that could be considered romantic escalation, such as giving her compliments, and if so has she done the same with you? A girl agreeing to hang out with you doesn't necessarily indicate anything more than a friendship, unless you met on a dating-oriented platform or there were other signs of interest.
/r/seduction22/09/19 10:38 PM
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That doesn't sound like "nice guy" behavior to me, just ordinary nervousness. Being a "nice guy" basically means that you put girls on a pedestal, e.g. by giving them special privileges and letting them off the hook for misbehavior that you wouldn't tolerate from male friends, and also try to win girls over romantically through the backdoor of friendship rather than making your intentions clear upfront. Does this seem to describe you or not?
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