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Notice, like every search query is one-sided, be it pro or against mgtow. Looks like people form their search question to confirm their point of view most of the time.
/r/MGTOW31/10/17 08:21 AM
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That was a sarcasm. Because dude used "beta cucks". I strongly in disagreement with him, but sarcasm was the only thing i could do.
/r/MGTOW25/10/17 06:57 PM
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Thanks god we are all alphas here.
/r/MGTOW25/10/17 04:25 PM
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The red pill metaphor in the movie represents knowledge only without any values attached. If you remember, there was also Cypher who wanted to go back into the matrix. So mgtow men, pua guys (theredpill is a pua subreddit), females, gays and basically anyone can be red pilled, if he understands the relationships dynamics and if we apply the metaphor correctly. Unfortunately, theredpill changed the meaning of the metaphor and many people here and there use it incorrectly. that's why there is conf…
/r/MGTOW25/10/17 04:21 PM
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Red pill is a metaphor for knowledge, currently applied in western culture to describe male female relationships dynamics under different, non-mainstream angle. And you tell me that we can't apply this metaphor to women like Esther Vilar for example? Or youtube female blogger ChristyOMisty? Bullshit.
/r/MGTOW24/10/17 11:59 AM
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Here you go, buddy: http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/study-suggests-women-are-all-bisexual-or-gay-almost-never-straight/
/r/MGTOW20/10/17 02:18 AM
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I don't know, it might have always been that way. That's what I see everywhere actually. People rarely think about things deeply, often they just join someone, whose thoughts resonate with theirs. Often these are the most simple ones (thoughts).
/r/MGTOW07/10/17 05:34 PM
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I don't think reddit is a good platform for long and complete answers, therefore I'll try to be short. You see, if there are contradictions in a definition, that means it is wrong or incomplete. Also, a definition is useless if it has to be changed in response to environmental changes. To check the validity of a definition we change environmental variables and put some factual and/or logical checks against it. For example, if MGTOW is about own way, does that mean that a man can be married if he…
/r/MGTOW07/10/17 05:27 PM
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Cheaper? Ok, so what? The question is: would mgtow be okay with that? Basically, the situation I described means the same level of wealth distribution from men to women as in marriage, but only by the right of birth, regulated by the government, or in other words Legislated gynocentrism. Do you think that would fit mgtow life-style? It certainly fits the definition suggested by the OP. How those who say that they are mgtow would feel? Fucked in the ass probably. But as long as it fits simple def…
/r/MGTOW07/10/17 04:11 PM
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So let's imagine a situation. Year 2030. A big cultural shift to single parenthood happened in a distant future. (we're moving towards that situation already). The government introduced bachelor's tax, standardized alimony payments, hid the tax in your pension transactions. But it has to be paid by any bachelor and it would be equal to average alimony paid by men to women in 2017. Lets not talk if it is possible or not. I just want to know if you would feel the need to redefine MGTOW term in tha…
/r/MGTOW07/10/17 02:09 PM
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It has to be said that for a community that prizes individual freedom above all else, there are an unhealthy amount of /r/gatekeeping worthy prescriptive lists. Yeah, exactly. There is no place for values and virtues in definition/core of mgtow. There is no point to discuss them either. If it is a philosophy of a path of an individual, the only thing that would make sense is talking about consequences of a choice, comparison of options. But I guess the need to have a group identity is innate.
/r/MGTOW06/10/17 12:13 PM
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Improve yourself and accumulate wealth - what does it mean exactly and how much do you need? If you have the answers maybe they should be your goal then? There are no reasons to accumulate more money than you need to achieve your goals and to achieve them you need a finite amount of money. Improve yourself also sounds strange. Firstly bad choices should be a part of a philosophy about individual choices, or it is not a philosophy about own way. So choosing a path of self-destruction is also a pa…
/r/MGTOW06/10/17 09:32 AM
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Free will is an illusion. Men don't have it either.
/r/MGTOW05/10/17 09:39 PM
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But I have no idea Why? I dont know how a man of his intellect can seriously advocate for men to make up the mantle of responsibility in dealing with women in this modern age, much less participate in a marriage or the raising of a child. Jordan clearly thinks with his (cucked) heart rather than his mind when it comes to women and relationships. Because he considers truth what is moral, and he considers moral anything that helps to push society further. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9eKURpdFM…
/r/MGTOW04/10/17 09:28 AM
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It will be US government agenda, till they get the restrictions they need. So they will be using every reason to push a bit more or restrict it fully. Hope US citizens have a strong enough gun lobby to protect the rights, and enough citizens that love their guns.
/r/MGTOW03/10/17 08:22 AM
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Funny, but these terms have been perverted by popular culture, mostly by those who wanted to be successful with women. Ethology is where these terms came from. Originally in the etiology model of dominance alpha has qualities that a decent human being wouldn't call cool. And originally alpha had a different set of qualities, than described in the chart. Lets take wiki definition of alpha as an example: Alphas may achieve their status by superior physical strength and aggression, or through socia…
/r/MGTOW01/10/17 07:49 PM
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If there is a man who acts as described in at least one point from the left column in one situation but then in other circumstances, he acts as described in any point from the right column, that means that Alpha/Beta model is flawed and can't be applied to real life. Those who use this model restrict themselves and their understanding of reality with flawed labels and models with no prediction power. Probably due to the need for self-validation that Alpha term provides due to its position in the…
/r/MGTOW01/10/17 03:21 PM
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Have to disagree to a degree. There are topics that are related to mgtow and the topics I mentioned, that are not conspiracies. For example one of the core principles of mgtow is the refusal of gynocentrism. The government is gynocentric.Mgtow refuse marriage because it's risky and is a tool of a wealth distribution from an individual man to an individual woman. Yet the wealth distribution from men as a group to females is still happening and will probably be increasing by other means. And we ca…
/r/MGTOW01/10/17 07:10 AM
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Sure. But I would also love if mgtow would start to talk about goverment, corporations, religion, journalism, etc. There are many pills to swallow about these topics.
/r/MGTOW30/09/17 11:04 PM
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You could use the quote of Ayn Rand when arguing with them. And when they disagree, say that she was a jew.
/r/MGTOW30/09/17 06:22 AM
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Why did you call me a commie first of all? Meh. Whatever. I'll say once. But first here is my quote: If we go deep enough we all act out of self-interest. It is a tautology. Read it a few times. There are complex process inside our body that dictate how we will act. Basically, it all boils down to internal risk/reward and effort/reward analysis. Both individual and group strategies work through the same internal filter. There are situations where it is more efficient to act as a group and theref…
/r/MGTOW28/09/17 05:05 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avNXIJCXLK0 Her Atlas Shrugged is an ideological propaganda for capitalism for an average people. I believe it was pushed and popularised by elites at the time because it fitted their narrative. You may pay attention how she describes the heroes of the book depends on which side they are. There is a clear pattern there. Now we clearly see that free markets are impossible without regulation which makes no sense, capitalism leads to monopolies and corporatism. And l…
/r/MGTOW28/09/17 03:57 PM
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Admit it, you just want a new cool sofa for yourself. /s
/r/MGTOW27/09/17 07:27 PM
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It's not that I am new here, it's that you don't understand the importance of knowledge and choice in mgtow philosophy. But what makes a man a MGTOW and not something else? Simple. He is not married. Alright, mgtow is the guy who isn't married. But why the absence of marriage makes a man mgtow? Because he has more resources spent on himself probably. But do mgtow pay taxes? Lets use some hypothetical situations. What if taxes will be increased from the current level to lets say 50% of your incom…
/r/MGTOW26/09/17 04:41 PM
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It is bigger thing, yes, but how does it matter if it is what a man wants? What is the logical criteria you use to define what is deep and what is not that helps you to define who is mgtow and who isn't? I completely understand that there are different risks and different effort levels between having sex and having kids, but can you really use it to define who mgtow or who isn't? We don't need a caricature of a classic family, because it will be too broad of a definition. But the question is: Ho…
/r/MGTOW26/09/17 03:38 PM
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But if a man being fully aware about the current appliance of family law, about gynocentrism, about male-female relationship dynamics, still wants to have kids, or sex, or relatinoships for example, how is he different from those mgtow who get laid to please themselves? He wants kids, sex or relationships to please himself as well. Where to the draw the line?
/r/MGTOW26/09/17 02:51 PM
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I don't tell men what to do. Hell, I'm all for getting laid. But at least get laid to please yourself. True. I agree. Not to engage in some contest pitting yourself against other men. But we do that here as well. This topic is an example. Edit: i fogot but actually i picked your post because you put an accent on a difference between mgtow and trp here: "MGTOW is "We're not playing this game." But if some mgtow want to get laid they have to play the game. Unless we mean different things by "game"…
/r/MGTOW26/09/17 01:59 PM
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Who? Do what? I certainly want MGTOW to be seen as philosophy of an individual, not as a movement. Men Going Their Own Way would become a paradox if it became a group philosophy. Exactly. But here is the paradox in action. OP criticises r/theredpill because they want to get laid and do some stuff that they think works. But if they want to get laid it's their choice, and of course it is ops choice to criticise them. But if MGTOW is a philosophy of individual, we have to use it a certain way, at l…
/r/MGTOW26/09/17 01:55 PM
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What's your answer to those MGTOW who get laid?
/r/MGTOW26/09/17 01:21 PM
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If we use original metaphor, values can't be blue pill or red pill. Knowlege is.
/r/MGTOW26/09/17 01:02 PM
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For fak sake. Red pill is a metaphor for knowledge. Both, guys who chase pussy and guys who choose other things can have the same knowledge. Edit: actually sorry. you're right they are pua. And before PUA acronym it was called seduction. There is a phenomenon in human nature, when old concepts get new names to have a clear group identity.
/r/MGTOW26/09/17 01:00 PM
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UP... YOUR... SMV ... leaves me thinking, are they trying to self-improve (as in, be someone you like, be someone you can respect, have some dignity) or are they pedestalizing pussy, trying to match women's (fickle) espectations and are thus another variation of "blue pill" ? How is self-improvement for the pussy is worse than self-improvement for any other thing? What's bad about pedestalizing pussy if what they want is to get laid? It can't be a variation of blue pill, because you talk about v…
/r/MGTOW26/09/17 12:56 PM
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It also could happen without a woman around. I've experienced it in only men companies. Had a situation where i was traveling to resort with few of my friends and some other guy. It was like a hidden war for a domination. And it wasn't me who started it and not a new guy, but my friends. This is just one example, but i've experienced it in many other situations. People are animals, men as well, me as well. The only things that are different are level of self-reflection and what situations trigge…
/r/MGTOW26/09/17 09:00 AM
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Exactly, well put. If a man being aware of the current relanionship dynamics, still wants to get married, it's his way. I like to describe mgtow philosophy in 5 points: Knowledge Cost/Benefit analysis Risk/Benefit Analysis Perseption of time from two perspectives which are Now and Future Respect for other men' choices
/r/MGTOW18/09/17 03:01 PM
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Lets say that there are values, and there is knowledge. Shaming is a form of interfering in someone's values. Shaming is just one example, there are other ways in interfering in someone's values, but i take shaming as an example. Interfering in values of another man goes against Men Going Their Own Way (it's in the name), because shaming is an attack on a choice of another man. If you tell another man what to do by one way or another, you may act your way, but you hurt the philosophy. If you sha…
/r/MGTOW18/09/17 01:54 PM
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I think you're deluded. Basically, you said that people here widely accept the point of view, that to each their own (at least when it's about sex life). Maybe there is no strong conflict present between so-called monks and those who pump and dump here. But there are still too many people here who push their values, who virtue signaling. Shaming is also present. And this approach hurts MGTOW phenomenon badly. I could elaborate if someone disagrees.
/r/MGTOW18/09/17 09:45 AM
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You can say what you want, but at least try to use logic and make some sense. Yes, it's true, they use RP as synonym for pua and people are ok with it unfortunately. In basic sense Red pill means knowledge only, and they attached values to it. But wait a second, that's what you did as well. but not RP in the sense that they keep playing with that same female nature and giving females validation. This describes values. You and them, both use the metaphor wrong. That's what I pointed out.
/r/MGTOW11/09/17 05:37 PM
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They do what they want. You can't say that these are RP values and these are not, if we all act out of the same knowledge. Red pill is, or at least it was when The Matrix movie came out, a metaphor for knowledge and nothing more.
/r/MGTOW11/09/17 05:31 PM
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And what does Red pill represent in the movie? To save some time i'll answer. It represents knowledge, while blue pill represents deception (not sure if it's the right word though). So Red pill is a metaphor for knowledge and truth. In current culture Red pill applies to knowledge about male female relationships. And if we apply it that way to mgtow it's easy to see that mgtow is also easily fit the definition. It could be even a married man, if he possesses knowledge, or it could be applied to …
/r/MGTOW10/09/17 12:32 PM
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Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. But i'll say that: Firstly it's too little information to draw any conclusions. Secondly, the importance of the conclusions would depend on what you want to do. If you want to take her out it's one thing, if you want to keep the things as they have been before it's the other. Also, If you return Hello from time to time it probably won't kill anybody.
/r/MGTOW09/09/17 08:23 PM
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How do you think where does "Red pill" term come from?
/r/MGTOW09/09/17 08:11 PM
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Of course. Who will ever be satisfied with who they are? Perhaps on our death beds - if we're lucky. Until then we're constantly going to strive to be better, so I'm compelled to speak in relative terms. It makes no sense talking in relative terms if they mean different things for different people. I already pointed out that growing without a perspective, or in different words, without self-validation of validation by your partner doesn't mean much. Right, so that's just incompatibility. It mean…
/r/MGTOW09/09/17 11:44 AM
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You operate with relative words to much. What is a better person? It is relative. The person i want to be might not be considered a better person by my partner. For example a man wants to be better with girls. How many female partners would support that? Few. Validation by partner is a mandatory part of any relationship. And if different people have different values that means that growing would mean different things for any individual. There is no "better' or "worse" without a perspective to st…
/r/MGTOW09/09/17 11:11 AM
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To very briefly summarise it, he says that both people should be constantly growing and making themselves better in life. For it to even have a chance. And if it doens't last, so be it. Wha'ts hte point of being with someone if you're not growing from it? But lets see what it really means. How your growing would be measured in a relationship? Your growing will be measured by your partner. Basically that means that you have to grow into what your partner consider valid, or in other words you need…
/r/MGTOW09/09/17 11:01 AM
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My point stands. Lets add Efficiency term to make my point clear. Different men have different level of success with women. For some men the price of increasing success with women is so high that it fails Cost / Benefit analysis, or shortly - inefficient. We can take workout as example, just because you mentioned it. Not everyone lift weights with the same efficiency. There are gifted athletes. Or face. Here is good youtube blogger's research about that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVB3ypWVu…
/r/MGTOW09/09/17 10:39 AM
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I would suggest not to use the ethology model and alpha / beta dichotomy. It is a flawed model when applied to humans. Too many variables are missing. You could check my posts about the topic there: https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/6cy4z0/oleg_novoselov_women_a_textbook_for_men/dhyo5c1/
/r/MGTOW09/09/17 10:05 AM
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True.
/r/MGTOW09/09/17 09:46 AM
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There are some important things you need to pay attention to. For example guys who are into seduction, especially if they sell courses, will probably say that yes. And i think it's true to a degree from a personal experience, a man can increase his success with women. But it's not the whole truth. What they don't talk about is that the effort price for each man could be very different. Also we need to define what success with women is. It could be different for different men. And try not to trea…
/r/MGTOW09/09/17 09:46 AM
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To better understand mgtow, I would suggest youtube bloggers, like: Thinking-ape, Spetsnaz, HuMAN, Alexander MGTOW, Coltaine, Groundwork for Metaphysics of MGTOW, etc. I wouldn't recommend Sandman, Angry Mgtow, Mgtow 101 or Turd Flinging Monkey youtubers, but just because their format is a bit different. I've actually been with some amazing women. Including very sexy girls, where I've had nothing but non-stop sex with, and when we did go out to restaurants to seek sustenance in the midst of our …
/r/MGTOW09/09/17 09:16 AM
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Bullshit. Red pill is metaphor for knowledge, if we use your terminology Red pill is metaphor for Truth.
/r/MGTOW07/09/17 08:00 PM
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Exactly. You're one of very few here who understands.
/r/MGTOW01/09/17 08:53 AM
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I value myself enough not to sink to a level where I pay for sex. Sink? So paying for sex is low? How's that?
/r/MGTOW31/08/17 04:42 PM
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Paying taxes is financing women as well.
/r/MGTOW31/08/17 02:59 PM
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The stuff is already mainstream, there are plenty of articles on the internet that use alpha male term. And everyone means something different. This is my last attempt to make you see the flaws of the model. If we analyze the alpha term from the book we could group all characteristics into two groups (i usually thought it's 3 but, I can's remember now). Ability and intention/motivation to climb hierarchy. If you remove any even only one of these two groups it would mean that the object is not an…
/r/MGTOW29/08/17 07:15 PM
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I disagree on your point that there is no relativity in the book or that it does not take external conditions into account. The whole point is about the man's relation to other members of a tribe. Exactly, of a tribe. I showed how the concepts from the book can be broken if applied to another environment. The surrounding environment might change for sure, but once the leader's instinct is activated, it will not switch off. If there is some tyrant who will snach the leader status from the former …
/r/MGTOW29/08/17 04:42 PM
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Google translations could suck so much that whole context can be lost. There is one funny thing with mgtow. Nobody can really say what actually mgtow is. Yes mgtow label can be hijacked. But it's just a label, it's not very important really, the ideas behind the label are important. Mgtow is not a movement, not a group in the sense as an opposition is. And it is acually a beauty that mgtow offers no solutions. Do you know a difference between values and models? See, if i yell at a kid "Don't tou…
/r/MGTOW29/08/17 01:40 PM
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I suppose you know what Model is and that humans when talking about reality operate with models, not the reality itself. Like a map of Europe is a geographical model of reality for example. There are few important things about models. First is that they have to have prediction power to be valid. Second is that the 100% model of an object is an object it self, a total copy. That means that any model except a full copy is insufficient. We can neglect insufficiency if we have enough prediction powe…
/r/MGTOW29/08/17 01:06 PM
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Alright. Girls love alphas according to the book. If you use criteria given in the book, who is alpha and who is beta? Justin Bieber or Fedor Yemelyanenko? And mgtow not divides humanity. It just gives other principles, different base for forming a union. The article is in russian, yes. http://humans-ethology.com/clauses/ostorozhno---misp-mgtow/
/r/MGTOW29/08/17 10:08 AM
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The model itself is flawed. There are many contradictions and many variables are missing. It suits only as introduction to male female relationship dynamics. As a book for first grades it does its job well though. Sad that the only concepts that are exist in popular culture and in the book are alpha and beta. And the book has little to do with mgtow concept, more with red pill concept of knowledge. The author is a strong traditionalist by the way and has an article painting mgtow in a very negat…
/r/MGTOW29/08/17 09:32 AM
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Strange question. Some do, some don't. But does it matter if someone hates or loves a thing if his observations about that thing are correct?
/r/MGTOW27/08/17 09:48 PM
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Everyone has their own definition is correct to a degree. If everyone had his own definition that would mean that there is no need in MGTOW term, a simple MEN would be enough, because everything that men can do would fit the criteria. Yet here, most people separate themselves from other groups of men like incels, tradcons or pua for example, following some criteria. The problem occurs when we put checks against the criteria. When someone here says that he is mgtow because he does what he wants a…
/r/MGTOW27/08/17 02:45 PM
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But that's what many people do here, when they say this one is mgtow and this one is not.
/r/MGTOW27/08/17 01:02 PM
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That's not the point i was making though. I am just trying to define mgtow to solve as many contradictions as possible. The topic raises the same problem, not defined terms. If mgtow is about doing what you want then there is no place for self-improvement buzz word in the definition. The real difference between PUA, TRP and MGTOW is that we improove ourselves FOR OURSELVES. If you accept that mgtow could degrade as well, then your definition contains only half of it and can have some improvement…
/r/MGTOW27/08/17 12:36 PM
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Good post, have written many thoughts on that here, but they're all lost. Instead of discussing what is mgtow decision making is, people discuss who is more mgtow. Therefore there are contradictions like this one, and that's why mgtow is still not clearly defined.
/r/MGTOW27/08/17 12:25 PM
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Jesus. Why every club talks about self improvement nowdays? If i want to degrade it can't be considered my own way already? But if it can, then i can do both? Then there is no reason to put self improvement in the definition of mgtow? The reason mgtow is not clearly defined is because some people treat it as a movement. It looks like "You're not mgtow because you're not doing this, that and that". But if you try to fit a label of a group of people you aren't going your way already. I might say a…
/r/MGTOW27/08/17 12:12 PM
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People don't discuss things they don't care about though.
/r/MGTOW27/08/17 11:45 AM
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The wealth distribution from men to single moms through taxes and welfare system is still happening. MGTOW won't save you from that.
/r/MGTOW23/08/17 01:06 AM
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Irrational.
/r/MGTOW23/08/17 12:44 AM
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Let's not act like all men are rational beings, free from fallacies, who never act out of self-interest even if it could hurt someone.
/r/MGTOW22/08/17 03:56 PM
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Although many here said that she already had the backup guy for a long time. From personal experience it is not always the case. Without any details i say that they really can move on very fast to a completely new guy. Like they have some kind of feelings tumbler.
/r/MGTOW21/08/17 11:47 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_(truth)
/r/MGTOW20/08/17 03:49 PM
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There are two big problems with the ethology model. It doesn't consider the environmental conditions, only characteristics of an object. Therefore it's barely applicable to humans. At least because in human society sexual and physical dominance hierarchies could go separately. Shortly the model has little to no prediction power when applied to humans. And the biggest problem is popularity. When the model went mainstream it became a tool of self-gratification more, than a science tool. People don…
/r/MGTOW20/08/17 08:11 AM
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Russian and Ukranian women go to Turkey and Egypt for the same reasons and the numbers are just huge.
/r/MGTOW08/08/17 12:41 PM
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New movie with Brian Cranston "Wakefield ... Howard Wakefield"
/r/MGTOW04/08/17 10:09 AM
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Ok. A guy bought a ticket to Titanic. Somewhere in the ocean the ship got hit by an iceberg and started to sink. A guy started to think that he is "dissatisfied with his life" at the moment. Looks like it's time to take your life in your hands and be responsible then, according to all the "self-development" he had read. Oh wait, there is ice cold ocean outside, there are people who say "women and children first" and other circumstances that are against him, and he probably won't be able to fight…
/r/MGTOW02/08/17 08:57 PM
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I am russian, but i have never heard of the sayings. But here is a great, famous quote by Lenin: "The main problem of quotes on the internet is that people believe that the quotes are valid straightaway".
/r/MGTOW30/07/17 09:05 PM
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Fucking Russians. Lol wut? Don't act dumb blaming Russians. Female nature is universal.
/r/MGTOW30/07/17 08:55 PM
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Make a risk benefit and cost benefit analysis. After that it's up to you. You could date, you could hire escorts, hell you can even marry as long as you ready to take responsibility for the consequences.
/r/MGTOW24/07/17 06:50 AM
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That's the direction it will go anywhere, where kids making and wealth distribution from men to women will go down. In some eastern European countries the cohabitation equals marriage after one year together as far as i know. I might be mistaken though.
/r/MGTOW24/07/17 06:44 AM
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One of the reasons i don't pursuit girls is i don't like to demonstrate bad boy attitude. I tried it and it worked for me. But i like to be polite to people, i mean it's natural, doesn't take an effort from my side. And about My Way part. If mgtow community will try to enforce values i wouldn't be agree with, i'll say that i don't need mgtow anymore. I am here not for the label. I see the only way to spread mgtow ideas: by sharing knowledge, models that reflect reality. I don't think that sharin…
/r/MGTOW18/07/17 10:25 AM
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I remember he was writing a book. Have he finished it?
/r/MGTOW26/06/17 02:23 PM
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My friends separate like rocket stages. I don't cut them off, although some times i want to do it forcefully. But as soon as they have a new girlfriend, or a kid they just fall off. No more time together doing some fun stuff. It's not that we are not friends anymore, it's that they suddenly have no time for other things. Never. Which just means low priority. I think it's a natural way of things.
/r/MGTOW24/06/17 09:34 PM
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You will feel emotional downfalls many times throughout your life. Think about it, conflicts, health problems, dying relatives, lost opportunities, broken heart, etc. Broken heart is not what you should be afraid of, unless you're not sure you can handle it without doing stupid stuff of course. Relationships can be fun and you don't lose anything really. The only question is what would you choose: broken heart vs lost opportunity. Both could be emotionally devastating.
/r/MGTOW21/06/17 05:14 AM
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There is male core, natural inner drives and they won't go away. You clearly feel attracted to her. From here you have a choice: You can try to fuck her, be it a relationship or one night stand. Or you can try and suppress your urges. But what is the reason for you to do that? Some said that you need to focus on your study, but is she really a deal breaker? Maybe you can focus on both things? Maybe you have fear? Fear is an emotion, a useful emotion, but if you have a fear, is it backed by somet…
/r/MGTOW20/06/17 06:23 PM
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What is the sentence for rape? What is the sentence for recording sex with a hidden cam in your house? Here lays the answer.
/r/MGTOW20/06/17 04:57 PM
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Why we talk about fly sim when comparing pc to console? Shouldn't we talk about multiplatform and price of graphical parity instead? Turn on your logic, mate. I get it, you need an expensive machine to fly, but you can't derive from that that you need a $2000 pc to play the same games on pc at the console quality. $100 1050 gtx card could easily keep up with ps4 and xbox, i don't know about pro though.
/r/MGTOW20/06/17 02:07 PM
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WHat's your question? I don't get it. If you both like each other, go for it if you feel that you want to. Just don't put yourself in a situation where you will be constrained by a third party to fulfil obligations you took during relationships. To put it simple - no mariage, no prenup, no kids, no common property, no unprotected sex, no drunk sex, fuck social pressure, fuck what she wants if its against your strategic goals.
/r/MGTOW19/06/17 11:10 PM
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It is a myth. It is a myth in a sense that you don't need to spend a lot of money to get parity. Current consoles run games at 900 - 1080p and 30 - 60fps, and graphics settings are picked by developer. I say again, you don't need to spend 2 - 4 times more money to get the same image quality. PC that will be able to work at the same settings, will cost the same or $100 more at most. And it also doesn't get older faster than a console, as some may think. You gotta pay more to play at higher settin…
/r/MGTOW19/06/17 02:47 PM
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Three young girls = hive mind.
/r/MGTOW19/06/17 09:48 AM
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You clearly don't know what alpha, beta and omega is and how to apply the ethology model which is where these definitions came from. Many of mgtow guys would fit beta definition, same with alpha and omega labels. Each for a different reason though.
/r/MGTOW19/06/17 02:28 AM
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If I were you, I will go for the PS4. The price is reasonable and the performance is adequate. A good gaming PC would cost you a thousand (US) dollars and up. The reason is that a PC is made for general use but a gaming console is specifically made for games, with all its resources devoted to that end. I wonder where this myth comes from. Just because you can spend thousands of dollars building a top notch pc, you don't need to spend the same amount of money to build a pc that will have a parity…
/r/MGTOW18/06/17 08:09 PM
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I love PC. I could buy a console as well, but i don't like the idea of supporting this bs marketing practices of console exclusivity by Sony and Microsoft, so i wouldn't give them a dime. The only exclusives i can support are those that really won't be able to run on another platform. And there are many games on PC, so i don't think that i loose much, i can have the same fun playing PC. But that's me. If the only question you have before choosing a platform is what games you would love to play o…
/r/MGTOW18/06/17 08:01 PM
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My point is that in some cases and there are many, kids and dogs aren't interchangeable. Same as friends and some random people on the internet are not interchangeable either.
/r/MGTOW18/06/17 04:10 PM
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Can a dog play multiplayer though? When all friends are busy pleasing their wives, a kid that could play multiplayer with his father could save a day.
/r/MGTOW18/06/17 01:25 AM
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Men who plan to have a child through surrogacy will do a great deal to other men. Because now this option of getting kids really lacks role models, at least in the middle class.
/r/MGTOW18/06/17 01:22 AM
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Ok, gym haven't worked out for you. But have you tried to hold frame, bro? /s
/r/MGTOW11/06/17 06:01 PM
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You meant PUA?
/r/MGTOW25/05/17 01:35 AM
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Intro and foundation of the book.
/r/MGTOW24/05/17 01:15 PM
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This book would do as an introduction to male female relationships from perspective of ethology. I like the primativity concept. Don't know how the name of this concept was translated in english version of this book. Although i find the ethology model (alpha, beta, omega) barely applicable when we talk about humans. Too bad that the author has gone full retard now.
/r/MGTOW24/05/17 03:50 AM
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What the hell is Sigma? Alpha, beta, omega came to PUA/Redpill and other groups that discuss relationships from ethology - the science about animal behavior. And these terms mean status in a dominance hierarchy of the pack / ape tribe. There is no Sigma there. Even though i find this ethology model barely applicable to humans, i don't think people can extend it just without a reason. Leaving out of question why on earth you need any label to go your own way or why you want to put all these diver…
/r/MGTOW19/05/17 08:05 AM
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I've tried many times to explain what Red pill is. Nobody cares about the original meaning anymore. Now Red pill is a community that discusses sexual strategy, rebranded PUA.
/r/MGTOW17/05/17 06:40 AM
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Yes, i don't blame them either. But there is nothing wrong with blame or hate or any other emotion, as long is we talk about true state of things. And i think it doesn't matter if it's a modern or traditionalist culture. Internal female drives such as hypergamy stay the same, they just suppressed by environment or aren't suppressed at all.
/r/MGTOW16/05/17 02:47 PM
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It will take years before we get as wide spread and discussed movie about female nature as The red pill about male problems. For now it's still "blame the feminism" and "females are also victims of feminism" game. So no, i didn't expect it to be more than a dialogue with mra about men's problems. Though as a man, i am sad that it barely scratched the surface.
/r/MGTOW16/05/17 02:00 PM
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Red pill is metaphor for knowledge. Any group can possess knowledge be it mra, pua or mgtow. There is also theredpill community which has 100% overlap with pua, but just has a different name. Don't confuse these two definitions of the same word. And this also means that this diagram is incorrect.
/r/MGTOW11/05/17 03:30 AM
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Yes, although probability of being taking advantage of is risk-benefit analysis, i didn't mention that though. But risk is a part of a cost. But not the only probability to get sex is lower, but also the price of resources he has to bring to the table. The lower a person's sexual market value, the harder for him to get sex, or the higher his contribution of resources will be. There was a good post about it. Dating from perspective of an average guy: https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/67pivw…
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 01:09 AM
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Because there are more mechanisms of attraction than just searching for suitable genes. For example one that could be applied in his case could be that females have a strong instinct to have what another girl has or desires. There are more that I've heard of. In addition to attraction to the "best" genes, there could be also attraction to diverse genes, like totally another race, or some freak. I am talking not about Bieber, but in general. I don't know much about this topic really. But i know, …
/r/MGTOW05/05/17 04:25 PM
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That requires a really extended answer. But shortly in PUA culture yes, alpha is the one who women find attractive and ready to give him sex for free. Same goes for Chad in theredpill comunity which is no different from pua and i say again there is no need to give new names to old concepts. Now why it requires extended answer: There are 2 problems i see that require solution. First problem is again the same: the old concept of alpha have been redefined by seduction community. And the main proble…
/r/MGTOW05/05/17 04:42 AM
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There is Red pill metaphor and r/theredpill community of guys who think that to be Red pilled you need to play the game, lift and spin plates. r/theredpill community is rebranded pua. I have nothing against, even support it, but when someone there states that they are different from pua it blows my mind. Also i don't see a reason to label guys who are into seduction with different name every 10 years while the core concept stays the same.
/r/MGTOW05/05/17 03:26 AM
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Why you ask? If a man asks me, i usually try to show the whole picture and not to interfere in that man's values. Because mgtow is about your way, so you should decide what is best for you and not bother what other people would think is better. I am sure you're aware of the current social situation and human condition and female condition in particular. So what you need to do is just to put all the pros and cons against each other and decide what you want by yourself. I can't say should you both…
/r/MGTOW02/05/17 12:13 PM
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So beta? What do you mean by that?
/r/MGTOW29/04/17 06:54 PM
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There will be wealth distribution from single people to single parents through taxing and welfare system. It is already implemented though. It will be bigger. Marriage will become less popular, but the role that it plays will be assigned to cohabitation. Like it has been already made in some countries, where 1 year of cohabitation equals marriage from goverment and a court perspective. Shortly the government will try to punish single men for not doing what they want them to do or exclude them fr…
/r/MGTOW29/04/17 07:15 AM
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When sex or relationships is an absolute goal and when someone looks at everything from the sexual perspective, everything becomes a sexual strategy. From this perspective it looks strange that a man don't want to change his behavior to dominant, become a real man (tm). Probably this nice guy picked wrong sexual strategy and in addition he is very manipulative, because he tries to hide his true intentions. For females it could be just their hamster. They have natural tendency to love bad boys an…
/r/MGTOW26/04/17 11:57 AM
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Nothing. TRP is pua. There are no fundamental differences.
/r/MGTOW24/04/17 11:32 AM
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No. It's kinda like saying, here is the road sign warning, you know what it means, you know about the consequences, now you choose. Freedom also means a possibility to make personal bad decisions as well.
/r/MGTOW12/04/17 01:38 PM
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Can't see how to make any of these steps possible.
/r/MGTOW09/04/17 05:56 PM
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MGTOW are not celibate. So if you feel sexual pressure inside and there are girls that want a sex with you, you could use it. Can't see a problem.
/r/MGTOW09/04/17 12:58 PM
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According to which definition?
/r/MGTOW09/04/17 10:58 AM
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From biological standpoint AWALT is true to a degree. Same as all humans are like that, but to a lesser degree, because there are gender differences. Yet i like to treat AWALT as famous law principle: Presumption of innocence. Or in this case it's more like Presumption of guilt. We use this principle because it is effective and has less downsides than its opposite principle. To put it simple: AWALT is used because it is safer to generalise in this case due to high risks of gynocentrism for men a…
/r/MGTOW08/04/17 07:23 PM
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Female nature contain inner drives to respond a certain way to environment and its objects. Deciding what's good or bad requires perspective. And placing everything in dualistic models is a feature of how we use our language. I decide what is good or bad for me. Why and how is another topic. When Peterson will be ready to discuss reality models, maybe i will listen. But who is he to tell me how i should respond to reality? Who is he to question my values?
/r/MGTOW08/04/17 05:44 PM
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Now it often used as one, true. Even here in mgtow reddit. For example: https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/4klft9/why_are_reddit_mods_so_beta/ There have been more. Somehow people decided that being alpha is "good" and beta or omega is "bad". I wouldn't even talk about relativity of these words. They still look at men through female perspective. In nature alpha is a stronger male who uses his power to achieve dominance by any means. Basically the most aggressive. Hardly a role model for me.…
/r/MGTOW08/04/17 10:33 AM
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Forget about it. The true meaning of alpha / beta / omega is a lost knowledge. It's a part of pop culture now and terms are being redefined daily.
/r/MGTOW08/04/17 04:09 AM
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Mgtow is a label that helps finding people with similar views on relationships. You don't need to put a label on yourself, or accept it fully, just pick what's useful. Also are men not manipulative at times as well? Maybe. But it doesn't negate manipulative nature of women. Look, even if you found a girl that suits you, the moment you have kids together, she got you by the balls. And if she changes her mind, you're done. I think it's fine to enjoy relationships, but you need to keep your hand on…
/r/MGTOW07/04/17 04:43 AM
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True. There were PUA courses for women in Russia. I don't know, maybe they still exist. The former Soviet Union has men in the middle eighties for every one hundred women. But that is wrong. Actually there are more young men than women. There are more older women though. At least in Russia.
/r/MGTOW06/04/17 02:21 AM
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What is Red pill?
/r/MGTOW05/04/17 02:02 PM
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It is a choice based on risk and cost/benefit analysis. So, for as you said, incels, the price is too high. Same for all mgtow. Also a man doesn't need to self improve to be considered mgtow. Just living his live is enough. Here is a good post about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/4vhum2/mgtow_is_not_necessarily_about_selfimprovement/
/r/MGTOW05/04/17 12:49 PM
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That means that this alpha / beta / omega is a status of an object (human in that case) that is relative and depends on an observer and a situation. Yet people don't apply it like that unfortunately.
/r/MGTOW04/04/17 01:44 PM
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Exactly. A person may not want to participate, but he still will be measured by social interactions.
/r/MGTOW04/04/17 02:55 AM
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If human society is more complex why we still apply this model to humans then? As i said in my previous comments in this topic, this model is barely applicable. Yet we can use it to a degree of course. I feel sigma like because I don't dominant others but don't allow others to do that to me either. This approach will beautifully put you somewhere in the hierarchy. I'll use your example. Imagine you have a conflict and you can't leave a party. No friends and police to help you. All you can do is …
/r/MGTOW04/04/17 02:52 AM
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He is. Although there were no sigma in the ethology model which all the Alpha / Beta / Omega terms came from in appliance to relationships. It's a term invented personally by Elam. And adding this term to the row makes not much sense.
/r/MGTOW03/04/17 02:45 PM
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True. The term mostly used in manosphere to describe SMV of a male. But the original meaning is different.
/r/MGTOW03/04/17 10:41 AM
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Speaking of omega. What definition Paul used in this video completely differs from ethology definition. Lets take wikipedia description which is not perfect, but it will do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_(ethology) Omega (usually rendered ω) is an antonym used to refer to the lowest caste of the hierarchical society. Omega animals are subordinate to all others in the community, and are expected by others in the group to remain submissive to everyone. Omega animals may also be used as commu…
/r/MGTOW03/04/17 10:33 AM
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How many people apply the ethology model, how Paul does that, it's just nonsense. The lack of understanding, the lack of history of the terms, it's all just beyond repair. Some people even try to invent new terms like zeta male. I think the model can barely be applied to humans. I even think that in some cases it will lose its prediction power even if we apply it to apes and wolves. Now it looks like these terms are only used for instant gratification and pushing some narrative.
/r/MGTOW03/04/17 07:05 AM
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I look at AWALT as presumption of innocence, or in this case it's more like presumption of guilt. You couldn't always know the truth, you can't see the future, so best bet is to make a assumption based on a formula that would give you the best results. If a man wants to play it safe: awalt. If he has some other priorities, it's up to him. From the biological standpoint we are all very similar. And all women are very similar. They all have the same biological drives, but different intensity of th…
/r/MGTOW01/04/17 03:05 AM
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To put it right way: she is valuable to you for some reason(doesn't matter for discussion if it's a love, or a habit) and that's why you care for her. And not the way around. Your care for her is expression of your feelings. And these feelings add to the list of what's her value to you, what she provides.
/r/MGTOW31/03/17 05:01 AM
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The value she adds to my life: sex and very basic companionship. I could get the same from hook-ups, porn, and buying a dog. She offers almost nothing. But for some reason I still care. The value is assigned to things by processes in your body. I would't separate what you said she adds to your life and your need to care. They are on the same list. She gives sex, basic companionship, and her. You in your turn assign value to: sex (your value of sex), and sex with her in particular companionship (…
/r/MGTOW30/03/17 10:41 PM
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Yes, it is. The concept of mgtow is "I decide what is good for me", so if a person is fine with being fat and playing video games, it doesn't go against mgtow. Mgtow is not about self-development. Though it could be for some of those who consider themselves as mgtow.
/r/MGTOW28/03/17 05:13 PM
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Once again and for all: MGTOW is redpill, MRA could be redpill. PUA as well. Red pill means truth. Nothing more. r/theredpill is PUA subreddit. Redpill is a beautiful metaphor. There is a need to apply it right though. Unfortunately, currently the only way i see to do it right, is to point out that "I am done with the Red pill subreddit community, because PUA is not for me". Why is it important? Because we don't need to create a mess by re-branding established concepts with different labels. It …
/r/MGTOW28/03/17 05:11 PM
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Arguable. Google about feminism in Soviet Union and how men and women were treated at that time. Maybe it takes wealth to afford 3rd wave feminism preferences though.
/r/MGTOW26/03/17 10:55 PM
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Exactly.
/r/MGTOW26/03/17 01:56 PM
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I was, kind of. I know what alpha is. I even know where it came from, to redpill. The problem i see with how people apply this label is everyone mean something different by that. That's why i asked. I mean, OP might have had his success with women, i don't see the problem with him using local dictionary to tell his story.
/r/MGTOW26/03/17 12:43 AM
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I asked about definition. But whatever.
/r/MGTOW26/03/17 12:30 AM
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What is Alpha?
/r/MGTOW26/03/17 12:26 AM
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People with low SMV are part of mgtow and always will be. For such people relationships fail cost-benefit analysis. Even a date fails cost-benefit analysis. So what? There are people with different SMV, who are mgtow for different, but similar reasons. For mgtow of any SMV relationships fail cost and risk benefit analysis. But should success with women or lack of it define a man? With women who are mostly promiscuous, manipulative, cunning, opportunistic?
/r/MGTOW26/03/17 12:04 AM
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Would you advise one good book on this topic?
/r/MGTOW24/03/17 11:17 PM
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So this is where you prefer to draw the line? Instead, they're governed by terrorists. isn't murdering his own people to consolidate power like Putin and the other gangsters who hold power in Russia. CIA and NSA spy on the entire nation and even whole world, that clearly breaks your constitution. Did you vote Obama out of office? MSM labels sources that go against the mainstream narrative as fake news. Last elections are a joke. Podesta shows that, "russian involvement in your elections" narrati…
/r/MGTOW24/03/17 06:46 PM
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Good that at least USA, the island of heaven, has real democracy, with no bankers or military complex, international and national elites being able to lobby political decisions. And MSM always gives a clear picture, with no lies, only truth to its citizens. And the only thing that is really important for USA government is the happiness of the middle class. I am glad that at least one nation has human values in check.
/r/MGTOW24/03/17 10:36 AM
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But alpha is not about bravery. It's about aggression and power. Even machiavellianism. Would Vention1mgtow fit the ethology definition of an alpha? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEqPVPPBof0 No. And there is no need to. For him to fit the definition you need to redefine it. But why you need the word alpha so much so you need to break one of the models manosphere use to describe sexual and hierarchy relationships? It's beyond me. I don't like this model, it's barely applicable to humans, yet i …
/r/MGTOW23/03/17 04:44 PM
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What is the divorce rate in your country?
/r/MGTOW23/03/17 10:34 AM
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Alpha is a label assigned to a pack leader in ethology. And ethology is where alpha / beta / omega model came from to manosphere. What exactly have changed so you want to redefine that exact term? And even if there is a need why not to create new term? Do you understand that by redefining things you bring confusion? Except that humans have knowledge and more hierarchies, not much have been changed. I described the danger of redefining old terms here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/60tqy…
/r/MGTOW23/03/17 07:09 AM
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And the reason it was redefined is? What exactly?
/r/MGTOW22/03/17 10:20 PM
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Where did you get that definition of alpha?
/r/MGTOW22/03/17 04:01 PM
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It's not an answer to your comment, i just want to say that. So if a man refuses to do anything for a female and goes his own way - who is he then? There are few things i'd like to point out. First is how we use our language. There is a reality. Lets take a part of reality, an event, or an object. When we discuss an event, or a model we use language to describe it, so basically we don't deal with the event or model itself, we deal with the description of the event, or the model of an object. For…
/r/MGTOW22/03/17 01:19 PM
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According to which definition? Where did the term come from to manosphere? Was it redefined?
/r/MGTOW22/03/17 12:18 PM
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Personally i separate theredpill subreddit and "the red pill" as metaphor, because the subreddit doesn't fully reflect the genuine meaning of the metaphor. The red pill as metaphor means only knowledge (as it was in the movie where it was taken from - The Matrix) theredpill subreddit in addition to knowledge also discuss what to do to increase efficiency of sexual relationships with girls. Which is basically PUA. So, Red pill as metaphor could be applied to mgtow also. TL:DR People have twisted …
/r/MGTOW14/03/17 06:34 PM
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Pretty much every woman.
/r/MGTOW14/03/17 05:08 PM
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Don't confuse Red pill as metaphor with theredpill subreddit. Red pill as metaphor is only about knowledge. Can be applied to mgtow, pua, mra. Can be used in other spheres such as politics, religion, etc. While theredpill subreddit has become pua subreddit. Bought new toys, made himself look younger, had a spree of pump n dumps and is now with a younger woman more suited to him This is pua. And messing with the definitions is the opposite of knowledge, therefore is the opposite of Red pill in it…
/r/MGTOW10/03/17 05:50 AM
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Or he could just start completely ignoring her from now on and trying to break all the emotional attachment he has to her. You should understand that it's not about 10 dollars game, right?
/r/MGTOW07/03/17 12:50 PM
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That's exactly what he said actually: He still has those feelings of wanting a wife and kids. But his reasoning outweighs his feelings.
/r/MGTOW01/03/17 08:56 PM
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You're right, in a way. Feelings fade away eventually for most of men though.
/r/MGTOW01/03/17 08:54 PM
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A girl tells his boyfriend: "Listen we're done, i don't love you anymore. It just doesn't work. I know, i know, we have had big plans, but ... Man starts to cry in the corner. "By the way i forgot to say. I'll stick here for a while, have no money to rent a room you know. You don't mind, don't you? Because you're a good person." I would throw that girl out of my life and i would still think i am a good person and did nothing wrong.
/r/MGTOW01/03/17 01:36 AM
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Alpha, beta, omega - when ethology gone public it became a perverted joke. People bend words to impose their view, to influence you, to show that their values are better than yours, to impose their ideology. And then the words lose its meaning. 90% of people who use alpha and beta don't understand it nowdays, nor do they know where it came from. Could truth be behind their words then? Doubt it. Edit: same with "zeta man" bullshit.
/r/MGTOW24/02/17 02:49 PM
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"Red pill" is a metaphor that is taken from "The Matrix" movie and means to see the world for what it really is, to get rid of the delusional perception of reality. That was the original meaning of the phrase. It can be easily applied to many things: relationships, politics etc. So, the only way to go full red pill is to learn about the world you live in. Now throw away all the words, like: mgtow, redpill, mangina etc, and listen: Any human has natural drives, like to fuck, to eat (resources), t…
/r/MGTOW24/02/17 02:50 AM
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Thank you. Useful post, even if someone would say otherwise.
/r/MGTOW23/02/17 10:21 PM
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Are you going to ignore all the sluts that drive other cars, or don't have a car at all? Doubt there is a correlation.
/r/MGTOW21/02/17 12:36 AM
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Thinking ape has many videos on the topic. Here is one of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwdT-59ZS6A Maybe you pick something useful.
/r/MGTOW09/02/17 05:05 AM
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You can mix MGTOW principles with TRP if you are unable to completely remove women from your life. This is called compromise and you can live how you want, just be smart. You meant PUA. The red pill is not about casual sex, it's about knowledge. MGTOW is red pill too. And pua can be red pill. And theredpill subreddit is PUA sub, even though it's called theredpill. (i have nothing against it, just made a statement) For the rest, i agree with you.
/r/MGTOW08/02/17 06:45 PM
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What's your point? It's still a personal choice: amount of work and risks against the reward. I can't tell a man that he can't have a sex nowdays. I would prefer to describe the situation without interfering in his values: here are the risks, here is what you need to do to achieve your goal. Now you decide.
/r/MGTOW31/01/17 06:11 AM
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theredpill subreddit is pua sub. There is no separate "gaming" group called redpill. Because: The red pill metaphor is about seeing reality for what it really is. Can be applied to pua, mgtow, mra and even tradcons.
/r/MGTOW30/01/17 04:38 PM
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Sexuality is a natural drive. If a man wants to have more sex or to have a better quality sex, there is nothing bad in it. You need to change yourself for many things. Want to lift and see results? Change your diet. etc So no, i don't see men who wants more sex as pathetic. It's a personal choice and personal choice is a foundation of mgtow.
/r/MGTOW30/01/17 04:34 PM
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You think Russia wouldn't have gone further than the annexation of Crimea How much further you think Russia would go?
/r/MGTOW27/01/17 02:56 PM
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The name came from the movie "The Matrix" Exactly. And there were many guys who took the red pill: Morpheus, Trinity, Neo, Mice, Cypher. They all had knowledge and acted differently. So here comes the question: Why red pill subreddit thinks that you need to participate in the game to be considered red pilled? Why do you think that Red pill man is the leader of relationships if the original meaning was about knowledge only? This could be only if the definition was changed. When you learn about it…
/r/MGTOW26/01/17 10:45 PM
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Where did Red pill name come from? You see, "what to do" is not question of knowledge, so being leader has nothing to do with red pill. A man become aware and then he chooses and his choice is based on interaction between him and his environment. And mgtow and pua and mra and tradcons and who else is there could be red pilled, or possess the knowledge. So i don't understand what Red pill has to do with being a leader. Invervention in values is more of theredpill subreddit thing, where most men t…
/r/MGTOW26/01/17 09:05 PM
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Why do you want to put mgtow label on yourself first of all? MRA supposed to have some activity, like fighting for men's rights (obvious, it's in the name). Just live your life and try to use the knowledge you can get in mgtow communities, but try not to expose your family to the knowledge and emotions that get from it. Otherwise it could become self-fulfilling prophecy.
/r/MGTOW26/01/17 12:33 AM
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I've never argued about that. Yet I don't like how theredpill subreddit have changed the definition of Red pill, so other groups like mgtow don't fit the definition anymore. And The red pill as metaphor (which is original meaning) can be applied not only to relationships, but also to politics, religion and many other topics. So now it looks popularized and hijacked. Their subreddit fits more PUA definition. And yes, pua can be Red pill too. That is the only controversy i have with theredpill sub…
/r/MGTOW25/01/17 06:19 PM
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Please distinguish Red pill as metaphor from theredpill subreddit. The redpill subreddit is rebranded pua. While the metaphor is about knowledge and awareness only.
/r/MGTOW24/01/17 03:16 PM
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It was russian girls-only community in livejournal. Someone got an invitation and made a mirror. It still exist at girls-only . org And the post: girls-only . org/9560867.html
/r/MGTOW24/01/17 01:07 PM
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75 is not the limit. I once read girls only closed community that was hacked. 75 Was pretty average. One woman stated she was going clubbing every week for 5 - 7 years and had had totally 300 - 400 till she got married. It's much easier for women.
/r/MGTOW23/01/17 11:55 PM
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I wouldn't want relationships / family where a person interacts with me out of fear to be punished. One of the reasons i see no other options except mgtow.
/r/MGTOW22/01/17 03:21 PM
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Stop it. The model he gave is more precise and has better prediction power than absolute alpha / beta model. It's not overthinking. It's awareness.
/r/MGTOW22/01/17 12:10 AM
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How so? He is completely right.
/r/MGTOW21/01/17 11:51 PM
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It's a good approach not to label yourself and just do whatever you want. As long as you are sure that you're aware of pros and cons and can make a good decision.
/r/MGTOW13/01/17 11:59 AM
1

Red pill = your life revolves around pussy. Yes, pretty much. I would add that this is not genuine meaning, this is meaning applied by theredpill sub.
/r/MGTOW12/01/17 07:27 PM
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THere could be more than one definition to any word, so first you need to differentiate: There is Red pill as metaphor, that was taken from the Matrix movie and just meant knowledge. And had nothing to do with action, or how a person should act. There is theredpill subreddit, which maybe some time ago were focused on knowledge, but not anymore. Now, from their perspective, you should also, in addition to being aware, act a certain way to be considered red pill, and the way you should act is old …
/r/MGTOW12/01/17 07:17 PM
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You're right on this one though. But i am correct as well. Because there is one problem that exists: This is a problem of a clear MGTOW definition, which still has to be solved.
/r/MGTOW26/12/16 01:41 AM
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I'll try again. Now try to listen carefully. You basically said that if someone > think it's "wrong", you're not full-blown MGTOW yet but you'll get there. I think it is, for me. Am i not mgtow because i am not accepting you values? Or should the same level of awareness bring us to the same conclusion? Really? Values are personal thing and has nothing to do with awareness. And we clearly talk about values now because we talk about what to do or not to do. We don't talk about awareness. A man can…
/r/MGTOW26/12/16 01:35 AM
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You didn't get it. I didn't say mgtow can do anything he wants to fit definition. I said that you can do whatever you want, i don't care. It's your values, virtues etc. Yet I have my perspective. I said that this is not acceptable for me, this is my way. You shouldn't care if i see it wrong either. Not everything is a question of awareness (or redpill). It's a personal preference. There is more than one layer. Awareness, knowledge, redpill whatever you call it, and action layer or what you're go…
/r/MGTOW26/12/16 01:24 AM
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I am saying again. I've never stated that this wrong or right. I've never said that you can't do that, i actually clearly said you can do whatever you want a few comments back. But i said that this is not defining moment for mgtow. Mgtow can accept it or can not accept it. It doesn't make a person not "full-blown" as you said.
/r/MGTOW26/12/16 01:13 AM
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If you go up a couple of comments you will see the exact same quote of you, but without the word "offended". Nobody is offended. You shouldn't. But this "think it's "wrong", you're not full-blown MGTOW yet but you'll get there." does not define mgtow. Nobody is offended. I just fully quoted you the second time. But thinking that it's wrong doesn't make people less mgtow. I'll explain what my problem was with your comment. You tried to define mgtow in a way i am not agree with. Basically as i und…
/r/MGTOW26/12/16 01:01 AM
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I haven't said it is wrong, nor did i say that men should follow. It's you who tried to define mgtow by saying If you're offended at this and think it's "wrong", you're not full-blown MGTOW yet but you'll get there. While i said that accepting it or declining is not defining moment for mgtow.
/r/MGTOW26/12/16 12:55 AM
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If your morality is still based on what women and the state have brainwashed you with This is an overstatement. You can's say if someone is brainwashed by the state and women, if he doesn't want to have kids with a woman, while her partner wouldn't know. This is bold. Lets take it to extremes. What your morality is based on? Can you kill a man? I couldn't unless to defend myself maybe. Am i brainwashed because i wouldn't do that too? See, i just don't like to do that. And i don't care about sex …
/r/MGTOW26/12/16 12:23 AM
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You shouldn't. But this think it's "wrong", you're not full-blown MGTOW yet but you'll get there. does not define mgtow.
/r/MGTOW25/12/16 10:10 PM
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If you're offended at this and think it's "wrong", you're not full-blown MGTOW yet but you'll get there. I paraphrase that - if you not accept what i am doing you are not true mgtow (famous "real man" manipulation). What a bs. Don't project your values and morality onto other men. I don't care if someone fucks a married woman, i am completely agree with recent coltaine video on that. Yet making babies, why would i do that? What's in it for me? I don't see a value in this actions. Probably i am n…
/r/MGTOW25/12/16 12:39 PM
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Not exactly like that. If you go to trp sub and search by "approach" you will find many topics. If you go to pua forums and search lifting, keeping frame or its substitute words, you will find the same. So fundamentally there are no difference. PUA just got rebranded and transformed into red pill. Basically there are two scales: First scale is knowledge and its opposite - absence of knowledge, or wrong knowledge. Second scale is how you are going to act. And when we cross these lines, we can see…
/r/MGTOW22/12/16 12:19 PM
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According to The Matrix movie, where Red pill metaphor was taken from, Red pill should represent knowledge. And that's it. So both paths could be Red pill, be it MGTOW or PUA. trp subreddit added to the knowledge of red pill the necessity to act a certain, PUA way to be counted as Red pill.
/r/MGTOW22/12/16 12:09 PM
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Its the same shit with PUA. Maybe because PUA is the same as trp subreddit? There are no fundamental differences. Same thing - different name.
/r/MGTOW21/12/16 10:43 AM
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Maybe, but i wouldn't use the "sex traitors" term. Because that raises the question, should i stick with any idea that comes from a man, that benefits a man and is not profitable for a woman? No, i don't think so. they considered sex traitors in my eyes, i don't even consider them to be male because a real man puts the needs of himself and his brothers before anything else. There are many men communities that have conflicted interests with each other. Which group should i stick with, so i wouldn…
/r/MGTOW20/12/16 10:30 AM
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Many men in manosphere (not mgtow only, but redpill/pua, individual bloggers, etc) don't understand how to apply Alpha Beta (Omega) model, don't understand that it is far from perfectly describing someone's behavior in many situations, don't know where it came from and don't understand what are models in general. And many men use it to shame other men, you're correct. But it's pointless to make it sound. Even if someone will see your post and will agree with you from now on, tomorrow there will …
/r/MGTOW16/12/16 10:47 AM
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No. I stopped listening to the music some time ago. Don't know what happened though. A few years back i was walking / eating / sleeping with an mp3 player. Now i just can't listen so much. I still enjoy music maybe 1 - 2 hours per week.
/r/MGTOW13/12/16 10:55 PM
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hm? Because Chads are relative. Although we could find common attributes for guys that most women find attractive, and most Chads will have the same traits, better approach would be to perceive a particular relationship via values prism. If she values him more than he values her, she will contribute to relationships so the man would stay with her. Sexual value is based on feelings (has personal perspective) and consists of many things, hormones included. And it is also relative, if a girl isn't …
/r/MGTOW08/12/16 05:10 AM
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No. Don't do the yoga part. Or at least don't pick everything. Yoga is bad for people who has scoliosis. At least some parts like twisting torso. http://www.schrothmethod.com/yoga-for-scoliosis I also know that from personal experience.
/r/MGTOW04/12/16 06:23 PM
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I would add that TRP subreddit focus on improving themselves to get women. PUA communities have done it and are still doing it too. Which raises the question why different name? Maybe the meaning have changed? Now lets think about the name "Red pill". Two movies come to mind: Total recall (1990) and THe matrix. Basically in the matrix Neo was suggested to know what the matrix is and to do that he had to take the red pill. There is also Cypher also took the red pill and who made a deal to get bac…
/r/MGTOW30/11/16 07:42 PM
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I've said many times - TRP subreddit is PUA sub. While "the red pill" metaphor is about knowledge, not about action. I am fine with them, as long as they don't state that they are somehow different from PUA. I am fine with PUA as well.
/r/MGTOW30/11/16 07:32 PM
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Switch hand? :)
/r/MGTOW12/11/16 11:42 PM
2

I have tears too. Genuine tears of joy.
/r/MGTOW04/11/16 08:59 PM
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Who said that shit test is about how good man fucks? Shit test is when a woman make some cunt thing and waits for a proper reaction. No matter what name you give to this act be it shit test, fitness test or something else, the thing is real, all women do that naturally.
/r/MGTOW03/11/16 06:47 PM
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The graphics is cartoony but that's not the biggest problem with it. When later in the game there are a lot of improved tiles the screen becomes a mess. I can't see a sh *anything.
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 05:19 AM
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I am completely agree with you. But people at r/theredpill try to distance themselves from PUA or even put themselves in opposition to pickup guys for some reason.
/r/MGTOW11/10/16 11:50 PM
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Red pill as a metaphor is about knowing the real truth. Not about what to do. So, as long as they follow the knowledge that reflects reality they are redpillers, even though theredpill sub is inhabited by pua guys - their subreddit is pua subreddit basically.
/r/MGTOW11/10/16 11:43 PM
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I don't need to know his situation to make this claim. It is how people work. They feel before they take an action. To know what a source of his misery was you need to take a look at the situation from as many angles as possible. I don't talk about OP, i talk about people in general. You said that he was miserable - like the source of his misery was external, his ex wife, and many women just trade up. But I claim that those "many women" that trade up are miserable / unsatisfied in a first place.
/r/MGTOW05/10/16 03:24 PM
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But first they feel miserable too? Women feel that something is "wrong" with their marriage and they start to look for a branch to trade up. Women don't plan to trade up just out of nowhere, it's just their feelings that make them act a certain way. Same with OP. He was feeling miserable, not he was miserable. And by learning about the situation we can make a judgement what the source of his misery was. Internal or external? Was it reactionary to his wife or someone else actions? Or not? When wo…
/r/MGTOW05/10/16 12:56 PM
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There is no point in "sigma" label. Instead there is a need to create a multi-axis spectrum model instead of labels. One of the reasons is that when we use labels we ignore environment and other individuals as a part of it. Therefore label model is not flexible. As example some people say that some day, let's say a hundred years ago there were better women. We've all seen that type of people. Their mistake is that they ignore environment changes. As topic starter you probably know that Alpha / B…
/r/TheRedPill03/10/16 10:41 PM
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When i read trp that is 1 of probably 2 - 3 things that annoys me. That people rarely have an understanding of alpha / beta / omega theory and don't know where it came from, yet use it to define their goals as they please. I am totally agree with you. In nature alphas are those who we would call sociopaths / narcissistic / bullies etc. Those who are interested should also know, that those who fit alpha definition in nature are cheated on for resources, or variety. And some of them who are gettin…
/r/TheRedPill03/10/16 01:38 PM
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I re-read your post and i confused some points of your list as goals due to 'try' as the first word. Probably due to fast reading and lack of good english skills. For that i apologise. Yet i didn't use frame as redpillers use it, so i could care less if you are true mgtow, or not. But logically if mgtow could do what they want they could fit any definition, like of married man. I just pointed that fallacy out. There are restrictions which come with definition, but a man no need a definition to l…
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 05:36 AM
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It is restriction when you say you shouldn't change your phone balance by calling anyone, because if there will be a need to call someone to get some info lets say, your goal will be broken and it will be a form of a lie to yourself. And if you do use your phone there is no need to set the goal. I would even say that you don't need to set the goal if you feel comfy by rarely talking by phone to anyone. Because goals exist to suppress one need to transfer the resources that could be used, to anot…
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 04:51 AM
1

You say that the points in the OP post are means to the goals in your post? Why these goals are not in the list then? Instead there are points like "Not talking to anyone personally or by phone" for example. Why restrict yourself? And if you need to call to a bank lets say, or call 911? Or why to lie? There are better options, like: "I don't want to talk about it". No need to lie. If the points are his final goals, i ask what for? If not, i ask what are final goals? I talk to people and i don't …
/r/MGTOW29/09/16 09:59 AM
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And the goal of doing all this is ... what exactly?
/r/MGTOW29/09/16 07:07 AM
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I've seen like women are able to instantly change themselves. Somehow a man meets a girl that he thinks is the one. She even likes your hobbies, same cuisine, books, movies etc. She looks sincere, and she is sincere in that moment, she really believes in what she says and does. Few days till the end they are gentle, they say they love you and later you become just nobody to them, like literally. It's in her actions, in her voice, she has no time for you anymore. And later you found that she just…
/r/MGTOW28/09/16 09:24 AM
1

Not only with them. There are mgtow /herbivore like groups in many other countries. Would be nice to have some kind of a platform to share / crowd translate valuable content to other languages.
/r/MGTOW25/09/16 10:23 PM
1

You heard? And you also heard completely opposite point of view in this topic from few different people. So out of interest why the source you heard it from is more trustworthy than people here? Care to provide a link?
/r/MGTOW23/09/16 05:13 PM
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That sounds ridiculous. There are million ways to gather personal information. Lets imagine though that the target group is mgtow, in that case that could be one of the preferable ways. Yet what information you use there? IP address and e-mail. But if you afraid that the information you left on the internet could be used against you, which is possible, it is better to take some precaution steps like using temp or separate e-mail, using vpn and not leaving your payment details and address. And th…
/r/MGTOW23/09/16 08:50 AM
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What do you mean by scam? Please explain. They steal your money or what? mgtow.co is a mgtow discussion platform actually. No scam there. It is small yet, but has some advantages over mgtow subreddit.
/r/MGTOW23/09/16 08:19 AM
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There was a good post: https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/4vhum2/mgtow_is_not_necessarily_about_selfimprovement/ And i agree with it. MGTOW is not about self improvement.
/r/MGTOW10/09/16 08:33 AM
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The thing is: people reshape themselves all the time to do the things they want. And it's ok. If a wish to chase a pussy makes a man to do something which is not going against his values, for example lifting, or reading - it's cool. The problem occurs when people want to refuse some of their virtues to get a pussy. To become a jerk, to peacock, just so a guy could become a pussy magnet - that's too much.
/r/MGTOW27/08/16 05:17 PM
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If someone was mentioned in a newspapper once, it's not a fame. The attraction to sociopaths is called hybristophilia, it's has been researched within mgtow as well. Stardusk if i am not mistaken did a video about it. The guys are not rich, nor their fame could make them rich and not all of them are famous. If women do it for fame and fame is not equal money, then it contradicts your first statement.
/r/MGTOW24/08/16 08:56 PM
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What fame? We aren't talking about Andres Breivick level. It happens with inmates, who aren't famous too. Have to disagree with you, though of course in some cases fame could play it's role.
/r/MGTOW24/08/16 08:47 PM
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How would you explain the phenomenon when women start to writing mail to inmates, chat to them for a couple of years, go crazy about them, some even marry to guys who have life sentence? The sociopathic behaviour works as a magnet at least to some women, which is basically what every bad boy has to a degree.
/r/MGTOW24/08/16 08:28 PM
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Alpha, beta, omega came to us from animal ethology. TRP / PUA guys just use it. It's a set of characteristics describing behaviour. So even if as you say we don't label other mgtow as alphas or betas (although some mgtow do that, there are examples in this sub), we still can be characterised as one.
/r/MGTOW20/08/16 03:33 PM
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PUA and redpill community have so many overlaps, that it's basically the same.
/r/MGTOW18/08/16 07:15 PM
1

Ok. I agree with you. But it's just tedious for me to meet this kind of stuff on the internet all the time, so sometimes i become emotional. Therefore sorry, i didn't mean to.
/r/MGTOW12/08/16 12:17 PM
1

You're an idiot after all.
/r/MGTOW12/08/16 09:00 AM
1

Also, I've tried "pickup" before, and every time I'm in convo with a girl I ponder why the fuck am I doing this in the first place. To get laid? To say that I have? And then it all seems so stupid. So I never really "close the deal." Hence, it feels artificial, and I rather be engaging in my hobbies in that time. Sigh. You do it because Yet... I'm still a virgin.... and it bothers me that I lack an experience many people have had. I know it's stupid, it's just sticking your dick in a wet hole, b…
/r/MGTOW18/07/16 07:55 AM
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Lol wat? You work with heavy weight. If some man have a protrusion or hernia in his back it's already dangerous, even when you do bench press. There are many more problems with back and skeleton in general that will make BB unrecommended.
/r/MGTOW18/07/16 06:43 AM
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It doesn't have to be bodybuilding. The point of mgtow is to validate self and minimise any external validation. Also the goal is to live a happy life as an individual. So anything that helps you to increase health is fine. And bodybuilding is not good for everyone, because it in some cases can be bad for health.
/r/MGTOW18/07/16 06:32 AM
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Content is good. Can't see a need to create the new term - "Black pill" though. Reminds me of the situation with PUA and TRP sub, or Neo-masculinity bs and MGTOW before the mgtow manifesto repudiation.
/r/MGTOW28/06/16 06:26 PM
1

Why Ryan Reynolds?
/r/MGTOW28/06/16 04:37 AM
1

How you suggest to define actual value?
/r/MGTOW26/06/16 04:00 PM
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So? why you coppied it to me? I am aware of what i've written. I also made a post to extend my explaination. Are you going to copy it again? Or maybe you will try to see what i am saying? By the way If everyone in mgtow will decide what is their way, we approach a trap, a roadblock. People will appear,, who will claim that they are mgtow, and they are going to marry because they decided it's their way. I would be fine with their decision though, yet i wouldn't call them mgtow (but this is anothe…
/r/MGTOW22/06/16 03:12 AM
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So? Where did i interpret it differenetly? You can't see through the forest. If it was up to interpretation and everyone did mgtow a certain way, well it would be 'men doing what they interpret going their own way is'. Exactly. That's what i said, my post was about giving these individuals a choice therefore give them a model that reflects reality, instead of a scale of personal values via labeling language. I didn't suggest to rename or redefine mgtow, or force something to entire group. Instea…
/r/MGTOW21/06/16 11:18 PM
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The red pill subreddit is PUA. Yet it's not about abusing, but changing yourself in order to get sex, or/and validation of the opposite sex (etc). And only after accepting this premise we can say that some changes could be called a self abuse. If someone finds chasing tails a valuable thing, it's up to them really. Any man changes himself to get what he wants. Example: want muscles - go to gym and change yourself. Want bigger muscle than you can achieve naturally - use steroids which could be co…
/r/MGTOW21/06/16 02:55 AM
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There are guys who "took red pill" and still decided to go back to plantation, because their drive was too strong. So there is a possibility to turn back after taking the red pill. Cypher, the Matrix character is a good example.
/r/MGTOW21/06/16 12:03 AM
1

Funny. This is like "timed exclusives" in gaming industry.
/r/MGTOW19/06/16 09:35 PM
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Common, guys. We all know we all will be sexists here according to the test. So show your Sexist score. Let's make it a real contest. Mine is 3.67
/r/MGTOW17/06/16 09:53 PM
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What are you afraid of? Being trapped in the future? There are different goals of those who set pussy traps: Marrige, kids, love, etc. Each has different risk level. You should choose how much risk you are ready to take yourself. Or you just can choose not to participate, it's up to you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mKnUlQqzZI Here is a good video on the topic. If you choose to gamle and got caught, it won't matter if you knew that it risky or not, or couldn't suppress your internal drives, …
/r/MGTOW15/06/16 06:33 PM
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Actually some are, and there are many. https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/4klft9/why_are_reddit_mods_so_beta/d3g43fi You could check this topic for example. My downvoted post as a proof.
/r/MGTOW13/06/16 12:51 AM
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Actually they do fall. Just because mgtow have different values, they still can fit in Alpha, Beta, Omega ethology model. Different mgtow would fit in different category, which is basically a generalization of course. After observing animals ethologists used this term to describe tribe leader basically, who wants to be a leader, who wants to stay a leader and who is ready to use any type of aggression to achieve his goals. Redpill guys (mgtow including) use the same ethology model to describe th…
/r/MGTOW12/06/16 11:39 PM
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Maybe i wasn't clear enough. English is not my native. I would add though that it's all relative. Without an external measurement system and definitions as a part of it it's impossible to say if someone is alpha or beta. What i mean is: imagine a lonely ape in a dessert. Now ask yourself: Is he alpha or beta? Or better imagine an allien in a dessert. Is he an alpha or beta? Or imagine that you fight with a dwarf because you want to steal / protect something. Now a giant. See now? I guess MGTOWs …
/r/MGTOW12/06/16 05:27 PM
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Here is omega definition: Omega (usually rendered ω) is an antonym used to refer to the lowest caste of the hierarchical society. Omega animals are subordinate to all others in the community, and are expected by others in the group to remain submissive to everyone. Omega animals may also be used as communal scapegoats or outlets for frustration, or given the lowest priority when distributing food. First what you need to know is: Alpha beta definitions came to use from ethology - a science which …
/r/MGTOW12/06/16 04:58 PM
1

Alpha term came to us from ethology. Here is wiki quote: In studies of social animals, the highest ranking individual is sometimes designated as the alpha. Males, females, or both, can be alphas, depending on the species. Where one male and one female fulfill this role together, they are sometimes referred to as the alpha pair. Other animals in the same social group may exhibit deference or other species-specific subordinate behaviours towards the alpha or alphas. Alpha animals usually gain pref…
/r/MGTOW12/06/16 04:11 PM
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I have an answer, but first here is my question. Would omega be best for what?
/r/MGTOW12/06/16 04:00 PM
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Alpha is not the best. I mean Alpha is best only if we use women's estimation of mens smv scale. Here is a good example: If we take two men who are perfectly the same (for a mind experiment) and give to one of them traits to be more shallow and unjustifiably agressive towards other people, it would probably increase his SMV. If you want to have these traits - fine by me. But the point of MGTOW is to create a scale which suits best for an individual. And not to use the gynocentric scale where Alp…
/r/MGTOW12/06/16 03:21 PM
1

Shortly, i have my reasons.
/r/MGTOW28/05/16 04:55 AM
1

I believe he did. Don't want to ask though.
/r/MGTOW27/05/16 07:22 PM
2

I know, right. MGTOW don't know, or never mention this book. Even Markus - Groundwork For The Metaphysics of MGTOW (youtube) - the mgtow guy who is into philosophy, have never mentioned it, as far as i know. Yet this book is a masterpiece, though could be hard to read through.
/r/MGTOW27/05/16 03:20 AM
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I disagree with the topic name because it looked like beta shaming and therefore alpha praising to me, that's why i asked. Gave an answer why in a similar topic. I'll copy it here: I am fine with alpha / beta model, yet i disagree when it used as shaming tool. I'll explain: There was a similar topic "reddit moderators are so beta". Alpha / beta dichotomy is mostly used as scale where alpha and beta are opposite ends. In this model alpha gets most rewards and therefore he is better, he has better…
/r/MGTOW23/05/16 07:04 PM
1

I read "point" as a unit for an argument, not reddit points. Misunderstanding. Basically i translated it as "i don't care about what you say". Sorry, english is not my native.
/r/MGTOW23/05/16 06:53 PM
1

I am fine with alpha / beta model, yet i disagree when it used as shaming tool. I'll explain: There was a similar topic "reddit moderators are so beta". Alpha / beta dichotomy is mostly used as scale where alpha and beta are opposite ends. In this model alpha gets most rewards and therefore he is better, he has better qualities. And if someone says "look, what a beta", this means what a loser, and therefore alpha is a winner, and people should tend to become alpha. In case you stated in the topi…
/r/MGTOW23/05/16 06:30 PM
1

There are emotional words - markers which could and often show emotional status of the message and therefore biases. Like "i give 0 fucks". Not always of course. But that's what i meant by evil. Sometimes seeing these words helps me to save time. Anyway, i still think that mgtow is gynocentric only when the word means focusing on women, discussing them. Not when it means seeking female aproval, or accepting their pov. This is rightful clarification. I agree MGTOW probably shouldn't blame women. …
/r/MGTOW23/05/16 05:57 PM
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Downvoted because mgtow are alpha? You should tell pua and trp guys then, that having red pill knowledge and choosing mgtow path makes man an alpha. They do it wrong /s
/r/MGTOW23/05/16 05:01 PM
1

Why so evil? I am not a circlejerk type of guy. For me an argument is an opportunity to deepen a concept model about something. What is the point of stating an opinion if you aren't going to develop it. But if you say you give 0 fucks, ok then.
/r/MGTOW23/05/16 03:33 PM
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Why use alpha/beta model as shaming tactics? Why not to say that: "a man wants to name his daughter after the girl who rejected him." Wouldn't that be enough? This is not red pill. Mgtow as idea doesn't make you an alpha. Not all "alpha" qualities could be considered good, suitable by different men who go their own way. Are you going to shame them too? I just copy my old post from another topic (not all information is related to this topic of course): Firstly Alpha/beta is Ape model. Where Alpha…
/r/MGTOW23/05/16 08:41 AM
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And mgtow are alpha?
/r/MGTOW23/05/16 06:46 AM
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I think, yes in a way. And no. There are different personality types in the community, and even if you will be able to make some parallels and you will, it will be hard to find a particular personality pattern, while you will find many overlaps in traits' list though. Their environment and personal experience is a thing as well. Here is my result for your experiment: “THE LOGICIAN” (INTP-A)
/r/MGTOW21/05/16 06:30 AM
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I would add that if divorce rate is 40%, it doesn't mean that 60% are happily married.
/r/MGTOW21/05/16 04:48 AM
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I gave you -, because you were not right. Just because there are a lot of topics about women here, doesn't mean that mgtow is gynocentric. It could be gynocentic in the way that we talk about women, yet: Gynocentrism is accepting women's point of view, or living to get their validation. I doubt that many women would accept mgtow arguments though. And even if mgtow would be a hate group of women, it wouldn't be gynocentric, because if you hate why to accept your opponent's pov then, or to live to…
/r/MGTOW20/05/16 09:29 PM
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Out of curiosity what was the idea?
/r/MGTOW20/05/16 12:00 PM
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Are these the same people? Have you ever thought about that some people come here, say what bothers them, deal with their rage and then go their way? And then different people come? Talking about man woman dynamics is the part of mgtow.
/r/MGTOW20/05/16 07:22 AM
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It's called serial monogamy. Lets assume it's a natural human mating strategy (my opinion that it is). Let's also assume that you want kids, who you want to share your knowledge, experience with, have your good moments. I didn't get the main idea of your post clearly, but here are some of my thoughts: Should i as a man accept it in current or any other environment that would make MRA happy? By accepting i mean that i as a man find this mating strategy viable for me and ready to live according to…
/r/MGTOW17/05/16 10:38 PM
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The MGTOW label is here just to quickly identify another person with similar views. I don't think about myself as mgtow, when reflecting.
/r/MGTOW17/05/16 10:03 AM
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As long as someones perception of social conditions and dynamics reflects reality, it doesn't really matter what emotions he feels. I've never understood though. Seems like "hate" is a bad word in western culture. Everyone like "omg, you hate, that means you wrong". No. And to answer your question: There could be difference in quantity and quality, but woman's nature is the same everywhere. And don't forget to look at people in their environment. If you take a woman from one environment to anoth…
/r/MGTOW15/05/16 02:53 PM
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What is a real man? Why OP should waste time to confront other people to become one?
/r/MGTOW12/05/16 12:35 PM
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Hey, first don't label yourself with alpha or beta, you have no understanding of that. Those, who people tend to label beta could be just calm, reasonable guys which are good qualities. Just be who you feel comfy to be, i mean character perks. Second, why do you need to fight? Just agree with everything your mom say as long as you don't need to act on her will. You have no power to confront her yet , because you have no money, and you are depended on her.
/r/MGTOW12/05/16 07:48 AM
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What you mean is "natural" vs self-made, or whatever puas call it, right? It doesn't matter really. You can fake it, you can be born with it, the only thing that matters in nature is if you win or not. People use shady tactics all the time. Peacocking is natural to a degree. By natural i mean wide-spread. And there is no actual alpha without an object. Can you say if lonely monkey in the middle of a dessert is alpha or beta? No.
/r/MGTOW09/05/16 10:35 AM
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What about them? There are overlaps everywhere. Basically here is a basic model: Species have 3 strong groups of motivation: to dominate others in a tribe, to spread genes and to have resources (food in its basic definition). And they have motivation to suppress their urges. For example - fear, or companionship. Where fear is very ancient, while companionship, or feeling of justice was developed later. Bonobo's sexuality is a way to handle aggression inside their tribe i guess. I can't say much …
/r/MGTOW08/05/16 05:01 PM
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What frame pickup or trp guys build? Seems it suits alpha definition for me. And they do it what for exactly?
/r/MGTOW08/05/16 10:47 AM
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Firstly Alpha/beta is Ape model. Where Alpha is the strongest (stronger than the others apes in a group) male who can afford to be aggressive and have a wish to be dominant, and alpha can have any female in a group as a consequence. Why we can't apply this model to humans? Because it is not precise enough. You can say that AWALT is not precise too, and there are women we could consider exceptions, 1 - 2 women of our social circle, or some famous women like Esther Vilar, or Cristy0Misty, these pe…
/r/MGTOW08/05/16 10:37 AM
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What does "whiney" even mean? The only important thing is if facts have been stated or not, if suggested by someone model reflects reality precisely enough, or it doesn't. A man can even yell facts, the only thing that matters is if he is right or not. Your friend like many people, can't separate emotional part of the conversation from logical. There are words in any language that have emotional association. Like word "hate" for example. People try to label mgtow as "hating women movement" to sh…
/r/MGTOW29/04/16 11:38 PM
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I disagree that some people think that TRP is a different type of the game than PUA. Here is why: There are three perspectives. TRP as metaphor that was taken from The Matrix movie. Neo as many before him was suggested to "take redpill" or to see the world for what it truly is. There was also Cyper who decided to go back to The Matrix. So TRP as metaphor can be applied not only to relationships, but also to science, politics, history, etc. There are only two requirements: TRP knowledge should be…
/r/MGTOW23/04/16 01:44 PM
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This is the topic MGTOW should discuss. I often think about that there will be a day when MGTOW will have to defend their resources. So yeah. Would love to be informed.
/r/MGTOW11/04/16 02:14 PM
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And that is a brilliant idea.
/r/MGTOW09/04/16 06:16 AM
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For not a hunter it's a tough choice though. I don't like the idea of killing animals for fun (and many hunters do it for fun, not for a living). So if i had to go hunting everyday, or marry a celebrety, i would probably marry.
/r/MGTOW08/04/16 10:02 AM
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It's natural. It's "inversion of domination" (term used in Oleg Novoselov book). They do it in relationships and on a larger scale as well.
/r/MGTOW03/04/16 05:32 PM
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So tired of this Alpha Beta labels. Alpha and Beta were used to describe apes. Human model is a bit more complicated. Where is in your alpha beta definitions an ability of some people to better suppress paleocortex urges, than the others, huh? Didn't read the rest.
/r/MGTOW01/04/16 05:10 PM
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There was a russian closed girls_only community in livejournal. Don't know if it still exists. Some guys got access to it and made a mirror. THere was some really dirty stuff. Like answers to the question how many guys an average woman have had. http://girls-only.org/best/ This is an informational Klondike. You can poorly translate it here http://itools.com/tool/google-translate-web-page-translator This is also an answer to the question if eastern european women are any different, which wasn't a…
/r/MGTOW20/11/15 06:30 PM
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What do you want? Do you want to get this girl? Or you want to get away from the feelings you have? If it's first option then go for it. How is another question. If you choose second option, then you need an informational blockade and distraction.
/r/MGTOW24/09/15 08:52 AM
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The biggest difference between mgtow and redpill is the needs of its members. It's up to man to decide if he wants to go to a toilet or have another beer first. Basically it's a management of resources, needs and risks, where everything is in contradiction. Vector math would go here. The male-female relationships model that mgtow and redpill use is about the same. What are your needs, what resources you have, and what risks you want to take it's up to you.
/r/MGTOW31/08/15 02:10 PM
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Ask yourself OP, why you labeled them as DESPERATELY? Looks to me like you was looking for approval for some of your decisions here. I might be wrong. Many men who consider themselves mgtow have sex relationships with women. Many of them contribute to mgtow community a lot. So not so much difference here. Probably difference is somewhere else. After reading TRP branch though i can say that many of them consider themselves alpha and brag about it. It looks like self validation. But many of them d…
/r/MGTOW31/08/15 07:34 AM
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Why not to accept hypergamy then and make kids with a woman? Some things are wired deep.
/r/MGTOW26/07/15 06:04 PM
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It's some kind of perverted father i guess. Nobody does that. I, as a russian check my butt hole every day personally with no father's help. I also feed a bear, and clean my ak with vodka.
/r/TheRedPill07/07/15 04:26 PM
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People who think eastern europe women are different are delusional. Let's have a look at some numbers: 70 - 80% divorce rate, and divorce initiated mostly by women in russia. 98% kids stay with their moms. And alimony: I saw someone here, on redpill channel who said there is no alimony in Russia. Well it's bullshit. There is alimony, the only difference a man probably won't be jailed if he doesn't pay. Kids blackmail, sex blackmail, it's all the same here. My friends who got married lost themsel…
/r/TheRedPill07/07/15 04:09 PM
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I would check: Oleg Novoselov - Women: A Textbook for Men. You can get it on amazon. Very red pill, very insightful, yet the book is not very common in english speaking red pill community.
/r/TheRedPill06/07/15 08:04 PM
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