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I think the better you are at maintaining sincere emotions with eye contact when you meet IRL, the mo' better your relationship will go, whether it's friendship, watching TV, drinking in bars or coffeeshops, taking long walks, banging, or whatever. You can hardly go wrong! Eye contact leads naturally to excellent conversations ànd empathy. Even when it starts as a professional or workplace conversation (says me). Get good at eye contact and good things will follow. Best of luck!
/r/seduction25/05/20 06:58 PM
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Thanks for sharing. I'm always looking tunes and playlists to cover by my band, which is intended to be a "party band" playing gigs such as weddings, birthday parties etc. The band motto will be, "All Ages, All Hits" lol. It's intended to get "party girls" yelling, "Ooh, ooh!" when a song starts then pulling their friends up to dance and basically setting an enthusiastic mood for the whole party. Everything from oldtime swing music, through 50s-60s-70s-80s-90s R&B, pop,disco etc tunes. Think "gu…
/r/seduction24/05/20 08:59 PM
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I haven't bought it or anything but Leon at Engineered Lifestyle sells a product called The Algorithm which is about mastering Tinder. Check out his free material on youtube and see if you like it. Also, Ice White's "Message Game Guide" which I think is sold on amazon.
/r/seduction21/05/20 08:13 PM
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I think that making very brief, observational remarks based the actual situation or surroundings is very safe. Also, developing really solid eye contact and listening skills. These are huuuggge IMHO. If you haven't been paying close attention how can you possibly say anything intelligent and calibrated-funny?
/r/seduction20/05/20 12:08 PM
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One Australian PUA guy I heard said he fixed his ghetto Aussie accent by listening to Australian TV news hosts and then repeating back what they said, imitating their well-modulated accent. Until he could be understood by non-Australians lol. I intend to do this someday. Part of the secret I suspect is to be less nervous, which makes your voice pitch too high and full of "umms" and other things that make you sound dumb.
/r/seduction20/05/20 12:03 PM
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Maybe that would work. Looking back over my kissing career going back to high school, I would say that almost every time I ever started kissing a girl, like at a party or on a date, it wasn't cause I was being dominant but by some kind of mutual consent. It's like, one second we were sitting or standing close to each other. The next second our heads both leaned together and suddenly our lips are locked. Often, alcohol is involved. Just saying. For PUA advice therefore I recommend that n00bs look…
/r/seduction20/05/20 11:51 AM
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Pretty hard to fake disinterest with just one girl IMHO. It's like you're looking for a script to follow. Women have a kind of radar to detect neediness. It's a survival instinct to help them differentiate between cool guys and desperate guys. Not saying it's impossible but the field of so-called pickup is about becoming a genuinely cool guy not about tracking down and seducing your crush by following step 1, step 2, etc and bypassing all that "become a more confident and attractive man" develop…
/r/seduction19/05/20 08:28 PM
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This is a really difficult situation to advise someone about. There is a sort of consensus on philosophy and how-to. When you're crushed on just one person that"s called "oneitis". It seldom ends well because the male looks unattractive and needy. Even if he starts dating his crush, he can end up being emotionally dependent on her which is very weak. The philosophy here is, you should and practice being as attractive as possible to ALL women. Not that you literally attract all women but guys who…
/r/seduction19/05/20 07:28 PM
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"Trying" to be alpha and high value are by definition beta behaviors. Imagine a tribe of human hunter-gatherers, or a troop of chimps. Does the coolest male who lays the most females set out try to be the top chimp does he AMOG the other males, or does he just project a cooler vibe or aura? Who do the females want to mate with? Some guy who negs them? Us AFCs can read books to learn how to be a cooler, more attractive guy and it works... but it-s not like you can fake an aura. You.might as well …
/r/seduction19/05/20 03:39 AM
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My tricks: I did affirmations for a while such as, "I am a fuckboy" and "Women are attracted to me" lol In real life I learned to talk less, listen more, and allow myself to feel happy in the moment. Thinking thoughts such as, "You're beautiful, I'm hot for you" letting it show in my happy expression, laser eye contact etc. Not trying to be overtly sexual, just getting out of my head, into my body and hoping that a 2-way mutual attraction feedback loop will happen which I call, Mother Nature's m…
/r/seduction17/05/20 08:06 PM
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Thanks. I never heard of him but I just watched a couple of his vids. He has good eye contact and his speaking seems thoughtful and naturally slow. His vibe seems a bit nervous but he lets it show in an honest, natural way. I think at some point he worked on emotional intelligence and learned the trick of telling yourself "slow down" instead of babbling and dishing out canned lines.
/r/seduction17/05/20 07:57 PM
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Maybe it's also possible to attract gold digger type girls for ONS or longer relationships but not get sucked into a sugar daddy type role. There is a dating/lifestyle coach out there called Adam Gilad. He's a bit of a celebrity, formerly a Hollywood screenwriter. He's 50 plus. When he got divorced he started picking up MILFs he met at his kids' soccer games. Then he got on Tinder and started having some success working down the age scale. THEN he tried one of these Sugar Daddy type dating apps …
/r/seduction17/05/20 06:06 PM
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TLDR. That line is really popular among daygamers. There is nothing wrong with it. After watching PUAs use it in many infields I realized that one of the most important things is, if she reacts immediately and starts talking then STFU and listen to her. If there is the SLIGHTEST pause then you must IMMEDIATELY resume the conversation and it has to be a new subject. Staring at her like you expect her to respond, say thank you or whatever is ridiculous. It has to be something like: "You look reall…
/r/seduction17/05/20 04:39 PM
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Anything awkward happens between you and a girl, you (the guy) MUST be the first one to acknowledge it explicitly. Otherwise she will think you're really uncalibrated i.e. socially clueless. The formula is, acknowledge and deal with it right away then immediately move on and act normal again, like nothing happened. Examples, you say something like: "Awkward!" (humorously) "Oh I'm so sorry" (seriously) "Oops ... that didn't come out right" (honestly) "Sit over there" (move away from her a bit) "I…
/r/seduction17/05/20 04:28 PM
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Lol ... "I got a trouser ferret for you, Babe, bet you can't catch it" 😎
/r/seduction17/05/20 04:16 PM
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You don't "need" to meet any particular number of women. Most of us could try to increase the number B a bit more especially if YOU feel unhappy about your level of effort. That said ... what you really need to do is improve your level of happiness about your interactions with women. Aim to be happy with how you get along with the women in your life, whether your B is 1, 2, 10 or 100. It doesn't matter big your number A is, if you're happy, you're happy. Not that it's a goal in itself, but the n…
/r/seduction17/05/20 04:13 PM
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Lots of very good stuff in here. A bit over- elaborate in places. Game is much simpler IMHO but only if you've mastered a few simple basics. "I take long strides." Thank you John Cleese from the Ministry of Silly Walks 🤣 I think a slow, casual version of the male model walk is far better. Not the gunslinger kind of walk and (obviously) not mincing. The idea is to draw attention to yourself with a slow pace and erect posture and steady gaze, but not project anything resembling "tough guy" which i…
/r/seduction17/05/20 04:02 PM
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Frames are very powerful but IMHO only work when they're very simple. For example in one of Lance Mason's old Pickup 101 video courses he said his frame has just 2 points which he sticks to regardless: 1 ... she's into me 2 ... everything she does is cute (including shit tests and any other kind of resistance) In practice these amount to, smiling and being happy and amused with everything that happens during an interaction. Not "acting" happy and amused but genuinely feeling it and letting is sh…
/r/seduction17/05/20 03:43 PM
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Agree with the thing about girls being more attracted to visiting, foreign guys. Or, when you're a local and the girl is visiting. Some guys look for women in the neighborhood of local hostels in their hometown. This is a female anti-slut-shaming trick i.e. avoiding getting a reputation among their friends, coworkers and classmates. There is also a psychological thing that happens to you when you travel. It's easy to leave behind your old, neurotic self when you're on the road. You naturally sli…
/r/seduction17/05/20 03:20 PM
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IMHO the more glib, self assured and the faster that a PUA coach talks, the more of a con man he is. The coaches I like the most speak much slower, give off a cool but very relaxed vibe, and are a little bit self deprecating. Their infields are a little bit hesitant, they listen respectfully and they seldom toss out canned lines and needless teases, negs or contrived compliments.
/r/seduction17/05/20 03:13 PM
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Being convincingly interesting, fun, entertaining with a sexy vibe is impossible to fake and if you are that guy it's also impossible for women not to notice. Why would anyone want to fake or in any way try to impress women with their material achievements? Unless they want to attract gold diggers.
/r/seduction17/05/20 03:06 PM
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Learn game, and practice it on as many women as possible. There is practically no way that anyone can help you get with "this one girl". Learning game will make you more all-round attractive to a wide variety of women. Look for resources, FAQs etc. on and around this reddit, for example. Many guys start by reading the book The Game by Neil Strauss for inspiration, then move on to Models by Mark Manson which is sort of a beginner's howto guide. Many also read Mystery Method but it is somewhat unp…
/r/seduction17/05/20 02:55 PM
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This is highly personal but ... I like The Game because the historical and philosophical background it gives about learning game. For inner game I like The Six Pillars of Self Esteem and No More Mr Nice Guy. For pickup "how to" I liked Models by Mark Manson, The Natural by Richard La Ruina and The Noble Art of Seduction by Kezia Noble. These are not my favorites but many guys recommend Mystery Method, The 3% Man by Corey Wayne and Book of Pook.
/r/seduction15/05/20 01:07 AM
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It seems like maybe once ot twice a week on r/seduction a woman starts a thread. Usually their question is, "There's this cute guy at school/work how do I get his attention?" To learn banter, I did a google search for "banter lines" and "seductive banter". I made a list with 100 or so favorite lines. It helped improve my sense of humor but always fell a bit flat if I tried to use specific lines on women. It was a bigger breakthrough when I combined watching "eye contact practice" videos with a s…
/r/seduction15/05/20 12:54 AM
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If women hated dating men as much as fish hate to be killed and eaten then yes, that would be a perfect analogy. lol IMHO it would be foolish to reject advice from a woman just because she's a woman. By that kind of dumb thinking then you should also ignore advice from men ... because you're going to go out and compete with him for girls so why should he want to help you?
/r/seduction09/05/20 07:41 PM
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"After reading a lot of hoopla on inner game, flirting and other BS that there is out there, I came to an undeniable conclusion that most of these were full of shit" ... then goes on to talk about building confidence (inner game) and becoming more sociable (flirting) ... There is no need to get on this reddit and talk shit about it as if everyone else is a manipulative slimeball. You have a great story but it's not like you invented natural game.
/r/seduction09/05/20 07:23 PM
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This question comes up a lot. I think that real world flirting isn't usually very clever sounding or banter filled. Only in Hollywood lol. Personally I think if you look for "Hank Moody flirting" clips you'll get a better idea. The dialog sounds more inept but watch his body language. He's rock steady, emotionally unreactive and has laser eye contact. Even though he's not flirting, in X Files you can see David Duchovny stealing practically every scene from Gillian Anderson with similar body lang…
/r/seduction09/05/20 07:07 PM
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If someone already knows that another person is nervous or vulnerable but they throw shit tests at them anyways, that makes them a bully. It's a case of an insecure person trying to shore up their own fragile self esteem by exposing someone else's insecurity. You're not going to be uncool any more ... now that you know some of the tricks that insecure people use. You won't fall for them. And you don't have to learn to give shit tests. If you become a really good listener and pay attention to wha…
/r/seduction09/05/20 06:34 PM
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It's instinctive, but not all women do it. Some women tend to be more shy or polite. Or, they have better intuition and they can tell if a guy is cool or not without having to throw tests at him to see how he reacts. Kind of like how boys have an instinct to play-fight or play-wrestle. But most of them outgrow it when they become adult ... probably because they learn how to assess other guys' strength and toughness at a glance. Unless they're really drunk, immature or belligerent. Some PUAs clai…
/r/seduction09/05/20 05:38 PM
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When you're dancing you're out of your head and in your body. Running on instinct in other words. The trick to learn is, when you're not dancing get out of your head and back in your body. When you don't have dance steps to concentrate on, concentrate instead on everything physical that you feel. For example in a break at dance class feel the tiredness in your feet. Feel the sweat running down your shirt. Sit on a stool and feel your weight on your bum. Every physical feeling you have, acknowled…
/r/seduction06/05/20 02:40 AM
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"I get hung up on people I sort of know. " If you get "hung up" on someone, that sounds like you don't have an inner source of happiness and self esteem. That's the definition of a crush: "I need him/her and I won't be happy unless they fall for me." "It would probably be better for me if I tried pickups, who knows." If you mean, learn how to have a better dating life by improving your overall attractiveness ... starting with your inner attitudes about yourself and about other people ... then ye…
/r/seduction06/05/20 02:25 AM
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I think you looked at the name of this reddit and decided that it must be about sleazy lounge lizards exchanging pickup lines or something. It isn't. "work on being a better human being. Good things will probably follow." About 50% of the stuff posted here is pretty much exactly that, almost word for word. Let me summarize it for you: "Have a better dating life by becoming a more attractive person." Such as by improving your health, fitness, grooming, clothes, body language, conversation skills …
/r/seduction06/05/20 01:59 AM
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A shit test is an instinctive technique that women use to assess a guy's emotional maturity and confidence. If you talk to a girl and she begins to doubt that you're cool enough to date her, she throws a shit test at you. The words you use to respond don't matter. She's looking at your body language to see if you look nervous or embarrassed, or if you seem relaxed and confident.
/r/seduction05/05/20 06:44 PM
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There is no canned answer that "works". Shit tests like this aren't so that she can analyze your intellect or dissect your preferences. Girls ask you this so that they can watch your body language and check whether you get confused, flustered, angry, embarrassed, or whatever. Or whether you act amused, interested, confident. They can tell right away if you're a cool guy or not because guys who lack confidence and charm can't fake it. TLDR: work on your inner game.
/r/seduction05/05/20 06:30 PM
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Go away troll
/r/seduction05/05/20 06:13 PM
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When guys are blocked on certain problems in their dating life, these are called Sticking Points. Every guy has different ones, however there are certain patterns and common sticking points. Sticking points are 90% in your head. You have to analyze yourself and analyze your results in order to identify them. Usually a sticking point is the thing that causes you the most anxiety. Once you figure out your sticking points, there are plenty of resources on this sub and elsewhere to help you. There a…
/r/seduction05/05/20 06:11 PM
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Getting hung up on one girl is called Oneitis. No course or book can help you to get That One Girl ... no matter what they promise. The book The Game is interesting for learning the history and background of "pickup" i.e. the industry (so called) where guys learn how to get better with women. It's inspirational in that the author is short, ugly and nerdy but in the end after improving himself he's more satisfied with his dating life. Mystery Method is pretty weird. It should be subtitled, "Attra…
/r/seduction05/05/20 05:54 PM
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I dunno man sounds like you've been reading a different sub. Nearly all of the questions and problems about weird stuff (like aggressively negging a girl) are from guys who read The Game and then moved on to Mystery's book because he was made famous by it. Once a week or so those guys get on here because MM is complicated and they don't know where to start, doing push-pull and whatnot. And they usually get told they should be more real and normal ... which doesn't mean the forum is pathetic it m…
/r/seduction04/05/20 02:18 AM
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Ok I've seen ONE person on this sub advocating magic tricks 👍 Pretty sure it's not what cards you flip but how you flip' em.
/r/seduction04/05/20 01:26 AM
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Stop posing as someone who knows all about seduction and pickup. Magic tricks and peacocking were hot topics like, 15 years ago. In almost a year of reading this sub I have never seen anyone recommend doing magic tricks to impress women. I've seen people advocate peacocking maybe ... twice. I've seen about 20 posts where guys recommend reading Mystery Method which is the old bible for that kind of technique. Whatever. That's like ... 1/1000 of this sub. And I've seen 100s of posts where people d…
/r/seduction04/05/20 01:21 AM
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Guy makes a helpful and well written post ... a couple of upvotes. Another guy insults people who read and post on the sub ... HUNDREDS of upvotes. Looool he must have a strong frame.
/r/seduction03/05/20 11:57 PM
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Great idea. Here are some tips. Do it with many girls not just with one girl. If you text only one girl she'll figure it out and she won't be flattered, she'll think you're kind of desperate. Start really slowly with infrequent texts. Cause you're not lonely and desperate, right? Be friendly and neutral in tone at first. Gradually slip in an occasional joke or tease. Don't be afraid to let things go really infrequent. A week or two in between texts is no problem. If things go really well you can…
/r/seduction03/05/20 11:40 PM
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Lol maybe things getting tense with the lockdown
/r/seduction03/05/20 11:24 PM
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Huh-larious 😆 It takes comic genius to visit subs where people go for advice and make fun of them for it. You are one funny guy! When your middle school opens up again, make sure you drop into the 7th grade remedial math class and laugh at the kids for not knowing long division 😂
/r/seduction03/05/20 05:57 PM
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Rule 1. You have to be gaming multiple women at the same time (in parallel) so that you don't care if a girl gets insulted, if she shit tests you, whether you passed the shit test, and so on. If you're only chasing this one girl it will make you anxious and needy. Even if someone on here gave you perfect advice on what to reply, the girl will still detect that you're desperate. Women have a radar that tells them whether a guy has dating options 📡 Guys who don't have options are unattractive beca…
/r/seduction03/05/20 03:30 PM
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The lockdown is tough. Lots of guys are going through similar things. I'm even losing the energy to do text game that I had at the beginning of lockdown. Look at it this way: you survived 19 years not knowing game, not meditating, having a dating life that sucked etc. You can survive another several months or whatever it takes to get through this. Maybe you can trick yourself into being less depressed. Tell yourself, those couples that you see having such a great time are actually stuck with eac…
/r/seduction03/05/20 03:08 PM
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Clothes ... I found good stuff on instagram. Surf around. Find a style you like that suits your age, lifestyle and budget. Follow guys on IG who present the style well. You can bring screenshots to stores and get clerks to help you find stuff. Everything should fit perfectly. Most guys wear sloppy clothes that are too big. Grooming especially shaving, trimming, haircuts, bathing and scent should be meticulous. Posture is tricky. Look up stuff online and on youtube but beware, sometimes you need …
/r/seduction03/05/20 01:53 AM
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With regard to workplaces, over the years I stopped bringing photos, momentos etc. into my office or cubicle. It was for that reason ... you don't own your job or your office. The company doesn't owe you anything, and your desk is not your home. Get attached to trustworthy people and pets, not to places or things.
/r/seduction03/05/20 12:32 AM
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When you see PUAs talking about Nice Guys and Nice Guy Syndrome they don't actually mean "nice guys". They mean "fake nice guys" as described in the book No More Mr Nice Guy. A fake nice guy doesn't listen to women attentively. His mind is racing ahead to think of clever things he can say, about how he can impress her or get sex from her, about other women, and so on. He keeps saying dumb things like, "Oh cool!" or he races off on a tangent to brag about his own experiences and feelings. I don't…
/r/seduction03/05/20 12:17 AM
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Ok ... if it works for you ... 👍
/r/seduction02/05/20 11:54 PM
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Not sure if focusing on dick size is a good idea. For one thing, you have a dick of a certain size and that's it. It's not like you can simulate "NBA Player" game. What kind of game do guys with big dicks have anyways? If they're like 95% of guys they have practically no game anyways, unless they've taken the trouble to learn. Look at Kobe's infamous hotel story. Great athlete, probably a big dick, literally zero game. Had lousy sex that was borderline (or actual) rape, lasted about 60 seconds. …
/r/seduction02/05/20 09:59 PM
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Almost nothing! Except once quite a while ago someone drew our attention ... I think it was to /r/askreddit. People frequently ask this question: Women, what ordinary things that men do turn you on? One of the commonest answers is, the way that men put their arm behind the front passenger seat and back up the car by turning around instead of using the mirrors. Also, simple manly stuff like plumbing and fixing things. IMO there is too much crap to wade through in askreddit, but /r/askwomen is 100…
/r/seduction02/05/20 09:22 PM
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This is a mentally ill troll. Get help dude.
/r/seduction02/05/20 08:45 PM
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"Approaching women" is like studying gymnastics and then climbing up on a high trapeze 100 ft above the ground. It's good to do, tons of guys do it, but lots of other guys get extremely anxious about it and unhappy with themselves for either failing to do it or doing it unsuccessfully. When you're not locked down any more, look at all the people around you. Starting with your immediate family, friends, co-workers, classmates etc. Learn to be happy and sociable with them. Make them happy to be ar…
/r/seduction02/05/20 08:42 PM
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Lol ... I agree. Since you're here, all I can give you is generic advice to learn game. Start with so-called inner game which means, psychological self help. The main books that I recommend in this area are, The Six Pillars of Self Esteem , and No More Mr Nice Guy. These are very fundamental for any guy who needs to get his head straight if he's just kind of neurotic and dysfunctional wrt relationships. Being severely depressed, schizophrenic or whatever requires one-on-one professional help. If…
/r/seduction02/05/20 06:03 PM
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/r/relationships
/r/seduction02/05/20 05:35 PM
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Sounds like a bad case of oneitis. Almost impossible to give you advice to get this one specific woman you're obsessed with. Best generic advice is, learn game and chase lots of women.
/r/seduction02/05/20 05:07 PM
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And get along with other men. A high status man is at the center of a support network of buddies who help each other out. A guy who is inarticulate, shy and can't win over other guys is vulnerable to being AMOG'ed and cockblocked.
/r/seduction02/05/20 05:03 PM
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You both raise good points. It's hard to make a quick judgement of who is competitive and/or insecure in a cold approach setting. In a social circle it's more obvious but I think there's no point trying customize your game based on an analysis of a girl's supposed character. As the OP says, it's an all-round good strategy to be Mr. Sociable and chat up lots of women and men Mating behavior is a low level instinct anyways and women's perceptions and reactions tend to short circuit their high-leve…
/r/seduction02/05/20 04:58 PM
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Books that sell for $10 kindle/ebook to $50 paperback are often worth it. $$$$ video courses are never worth it. Nearly everything by RSD to me seems like ADHD and Aspbergers game by tense, overly talkative coaches with insecurity issues. All that emphasis on push-pull lines, and the obsession with numbers such as lay counts, number of IG followers, Hot Babe ratings, etc. It's a problem with official RSD products and with a lot of the ex-RSD coaches who have gone independent. I wouldn't even rec…
/r/seduction02/05/20 04:15 PM
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Focusing on one girl at a time is very difficult to do well. Most guys only get good at flirting and dating when they try to chase many women. In fact you should try to chase ALL women that you find attractive. Even if you have good game, concentrating on one woman at a time is difficult and seldom successful. Women can tell (with their intuition) that you don't have other dating options. And unless they also decide that you're "the one" (they want you as a boyfriend or husband), they find obses…
/r/seduction02/05/20 03:55 PM
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Yes most guys think this. I also thought it was one of the fundamental facts of life, until I learned game. A friend of mine who played in bar bands told me a story once. He was in a band that hired an attractive, 17 year old female singer. Soon, they had to kick the 50 year old guitar player out of the band because he would not stop hitting on the girl. I remember asking him ... was the guy a millionaire? Because otherwise he had no chance and should have known better. I strongly believed that …
/r/seduction02/05/20 03:43 PM
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"He had me watch episodes of F.R.I.E.N.D.S and we noticed that every character spoke with such vocal variety and inflections that it sounded like they were speaking in color compared to my black and white. This did not come easy but I worked had on it until it was at least somewhat passable." This is interesting advice and I think it's something often neglected that even guys who are already fairly good with women could improve. Can you please describe what kind of practice, exercise or drills y…
/r/seduction02/05/20 03:27 PM
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Changes were made across the board in all aspects of both inner and outer game. I highly recommend reading widely and taking steps to improve yourself everywhere such as self esteem, anxiety, attitude about women, fitness, grooming, clothes, posture and body language, conversation skills and so on. If you're a train wreck in any one area then obviously that area should be a main focus at first. Otherwise, I think that all of the above areas should be improved in parallel.
/r/seduction02/05/20 03:15 PM
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1 ... are you texting with only one girl that you're interested in at a time? Because there's hardly any useful advice to give to a guy who has oneitis except boring, dumb things like "just be yourself", "man up and take your shot" and if she doesn't go for it, "she isn't into you move on bro" lol. 2... If not (1) as above and you're gaming multiple women, then think about this. Does a guy with a lot of female friends and lots of dating options sit around all day anxiously checking his phone, an…
/r/seduction02/05/20 12:47 AM
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Cultivate the art of listening. It's not up to you to carry the conversation or entertain people. Do meditation at home to get out of your head and into your body. In social situations remind yourself to go into that meditation mode. Feel the weight of your butt in your chair, feel your other body sensations and try not to think. Give people strong eye contact when you're listening to them. If you feel the urge to interrupt them or if you feel antsy and impatient, tell yourself "Slow down." Give…
/r/seduction01/05/20 01:02 AM
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"She is all over me, addicted to me according to herself, wants me to come over non stop, calls me and wants to talk all the time etc etc." Congratulations. Sorry for introducing an ominous note but ... Are you sure this is a happy ending, if you progress from having needy oneitis yourself to making a girl have needy oneitis for you? Your advice is great, except guys should do this stuff with lots of women not just with their oneitis crush. It's more fun to be at the center of a circle of girls …
/r/seduction30/04/20 04:38 PM
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I watched about 1/3 of this. This is about analyzing and healing the incel community who dislike women and who also actively dislike any man who acts like a beta Nice Guy by seeking the attention of women with gifts and money. It's not relevant to the dating/pickup/seduction community which is composed of guys who (a) like women, and (b) don't care what betas and simps do, as long as he's not a beta or simp himself.
/r/seduction30/04/20 04:22 PM
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From 6 years of graduate and post-grad school and 2 years residency at top clinics. That's Doctor Dating Analyst to you. 😁😁😁
/r/seduction30/04/20 02:47 PM
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There is a classic self help book called The Six Pillars of Self Esteem. It is by a therapist who spent many years treating patients for this problem. Neil Strauss once said, "If you read only one book on pickup, read this one."
/r/seduction30/04/20 12:56 AM
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This happened to me yesterday. Woman sent me a compliment (about something I accomplished not about looks). I replied "Stop it ..." Then I sent a picture I took of a funny looking cactus plant, on which I had drawn a stupid looking face. With the text, "I am Picasso". She responded with one of those extra-large emojis of a bunny laughing/crying. Not saying this is masterful texting but it's one way to handle when a woman compliments you. Break down: "Stop it..." is acting modest, and also slight…
/r/seduction29/04/20 08:16 PM
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It depends on the girl and on your instinctive feeling. I found that it took a while, texting several different girls, before I got comfortable with the pace. Some guys have rules such as, "wait the same amount of time that she waited before texting you." Or, "wait twice as long." Sometimes I wait 1/2 hour to reply to a girl "just because". Sometimes I reply right away if I thought of a funny joke. Sometimes I wait 15 min to think of a joke or to find a meme. Sometimes if the girl likes you, you…
/r/seduction29/04/20 06:09 PM
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I don't judge you and I would never try to psychoanalyze you. When you say something like this ... "My girlfriends tell me I tend to date assholes." ... it makes me want to say, you should try analyzing yourself. Then, look for self help books that address the problem (if there is a problem). Not that you're crazy or fucked up bc I'm sure that you're not. But your friends are trying to tell you, you're stuck in a rut. You can figure out what kind of rut you're stuck in and how to get out of it. …
/r/seduction29/04/20 01:43 AM
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Read The Game by Neil Strauss for a bit of historical background, then read Models by Mark Manson which is a beginners guide to self improvement and dating. Neither of those will turn you into a great seducer but after reading them, if you want more information search this reddit for recommended books, and look for pickup and dating coaches on youtube.
/r/seduction29/04/20 01:07 AM
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You can have a good dating life with women, or you can argue with them. Pick one. Women's brains do not work like men's. They don't understand logic like men and they don't care what you think you know or how "right" you think you are. They consider men who use logic on them to be bullies. If you actually want to date women successfully or have a relationship, learn to stop arguing and be emotionally unreactive. If a women acts argumentive, either give her an unemotional stone face, or at the ve…
/r/seduction28/04/20 09:09 PM
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It wasn't very clear from your original post but it sounded like you think she lied to you about not wanting to go for a walk. You can't stop women from lying. In their mind when they tell lies to a guy it's a "white lie". Which means she thinks the lie was morally justified in the name of self preservation or as a way of saying "no" to a guy in a way that won't hurt his feelings. You will never win an argument with a woman even if she was obviously lying. They think you're a bully if you use lo…
/r/seduction28/04/20 05:35 PM
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If you chase other women and not just this one, you will be more happy and successful. Not only by increasing your chances of finding a woman who really likes you, but also because you will be less needy and desperate. Women have a radar that tells them when a guy is desperate. They find it a turnoff because they don't want to hang around with a guy who is emotionally dependent on them. I.e. a guy who is emotionally needy. That is why women make excuses and tell lies to men. It's the most polite…
/r/seduction28/04/20 02:29 PM
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Yes this reddit is primarily for guys to get more dates and sex. "Seduction" is one way to describe the process but it's more accurate to call it, male self improvement with the goal of becoming more attractive to women. It's very narrow, but for many guys lack of success with women is a big problem and the best fixes come from everyday life not from biographies of obscure literary figures. I view Robert Greene as an unfortunate distraction because his approach adds layers of cultural meaning on…
/r/seduction28/04/20 03:54 AM
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Chen City on youtube just posted a video about archetypes. He started talking about Carl Jung and I thought, "Oh no" but in the end all he said was, observe the girl carefully, do cold reading if necessary to find out more about her, then customize your banter based on what you observe. I can't argue with any of that, except on a couple of points. 1... you don't really have time to think about whether she's a Daddy's Girl, a Princess, or whatever therefore you should just go on instinct and wing…
/r/seduction27/04/20 11:19 PM
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Don't waste any more time on it. It's a crummy book. I read the whole thing and tried to digest it, then I realized it didn't have a single useful piece of advice. Greene talks as if seduction is based on literary archetypes and that's baloney. In the real world, seduction is a simple, instinctive behavior. You only need to master your inner state, learn a couple of behaviors, and them do them well. If you read say, 5 or 6 books that are actually about inner game and pickup you will get far more…
/r/seduction27/04/20 09:55 PM
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Meditation to calm your mind down. Visualization exercises where you imagine you're with a girl and you're acting relaxed and happy. Affirmations for a couple of minutes each day where you tell yourself things like, "When I'm around women I act relaxed and happy". A little of this every day and you'll be in great shape when you're out socializing again.
/r/seduction27/04/20 09:32 PM
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Your body language will always reflect your inner state. If your inner state is off (say if you're scared or you feel undeserving or creepy) then your body language will look awkward or weird and it doesn't matter what you say. If your inner state is good your body language will make it clear to the woman that you're an awesome guy who is attracted to her. In which case it doesn't matter if you tell her, "Hey babe you look hot we should fuck" or, "where's the nearest Starbucks." As long as you'r…
/r/seduction27/04/20 09:26 PM
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You don't introduce people to your frame, meaning, you seldom tell them what it is. For example you don't say, "Ha ha you tell me I'm too short but deep down I know you're hot for me." You THINK about your frame and let it guide your conversation and actions. Your frame tells you when to disqualify or be cocky-funny. So if your frame is, "I know you're hot for me." You might say, "Tall girls are so much trouble ... who's your friend?" Or, "I'm tall enough to spank you." It's hard at first becaus…
/r/seduction27/04/20 01:05 AM
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Advice is good except the one to never type "haha" or "lol". It's exactly like talking to people in real life. If you say something and then laugh nervously, it's weak. If someone says something actually funny, it's weird NOT to laugh. Bad: YOU: "Feels weird not being able to go out on the wknd, lol" Better: YOU: "What are going shopping for" HER: "🍆" YOU: "Looooool go to your room"
/r/seduction27/04/20 12:45 AM
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r/relationships
/r/seduction27/04/20 12:14 AM
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Good post. I think you meant breathing not breeding.
/r/seduction26/04/20 08:56 PM
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You can be assertive without being rude or breaking off the relationship. There are many different polite and funny answers you can give. For example if she wants you to buy her something, smile and say, "I don't think so." Act like you think it's cute that she wants chocolates to go on a date. When they think you're rude they might be thinking that the rudeness is to cover up feelings of weakness. A confident man doesn't lose his cool and show anger and irritation easily. Rudeness and sarcasm m…
/r/seduction25/04/20 10:09 PM
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Yes you can do a lot. Search for text guides they are helpful. You can be fun and flirtatious without necessarily pushing things toward an IRL hangout. Just don't overdo it and become a text boyfriend 🤣 I recommend keeping the frequency slow but the quality high.
/r/seduction25/04/20 08:23 PM
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Agree about subcommunication. Meaning eye contact, body language etc. Mostly because of the intentions that you send out subliminally because you're in the zone letting your physical feelings show in subtle ways. The conversation elements (words) could be 95% or more the same talking to someone you don't want to date or sleep with versus a girl you're lusting after. Caveat: some guys DO try to make it clear with words, saying things like, "I like you" or "I think you're cute."
/r/seduction25/04/20 08:19 PM
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Trying to get a date with someone from work is a classic friendzoning situation. Often they say "yes" at first and then they find a way to give you a polite brushoff. Not because they don't like you but because girls are ultra-concerned with other people at work finding out. Or she's worried that if you had a date and she decided she doesn't like you, you'll act awkward or butthurt afterward. So chicks try to avoid seeing anyone from work unless you convey to her that you're really cool and even…
/r/seduction25/04/20 06:00 PM
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5... they don't owe you a phone number, a text, a date or anything else no matter how many "reasons" you gave them
/r/seduction25/04/20 04:00 PM
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Lol couldn't help noticing, on youtube every PUA guru is publishing videos that are supposed to teach you that exact thing. Or at least, how to be a Tinder God.
/r/seduction25/04/20 03:30 AM
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Check out "eye contact practice" videos on YT. They're fantastic for practicing to stare in someone's eyes. When you do it, try to feel the happiness of how beautiful they are (whether they are pretty or ugly, male or female). Hold their gaze and if you start to lose your nerve, tell yourself, "Slow down". Practice turning your smile on and off each time the video shows you a new person. Fake it when you're practicing with youtube, and you'll find that a genuine smile will happen when you need i…
/r/seduction25/04/20 03:24 AM
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I read The Art of Seduction and I also spent some time wondering, WTF does a rake actually do? Or a dandy? The more you read the actual life stories of those "great seducers" the less impressive they are. Casanova bought himself a 12 year old sex slave. "World's greatest seducer." Errol Flynn was a movie star who slept with teenage groupies. The lessons for learning game aren't really there. Eventually I realized, the only archetypes that matter are, Guy Who Fucks A Lot, and Guy Who Doesn't. In …
/r/seduction25/04/20 03:03 AM
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Talk way less, use eye contact more. If you feel your inner child getting ready to burst out and start babbling, continue to look in the other person's eyes and tell yourself, "Slow down." Be emotionally unreactive to any kind of negativity or drama. But be happy and welcoming to good feelings like a funny joke, or a compliment. When you're interested in a girl and neither of you are talking, still give polite, quiet attention to whoever is talking. But you can look at the girl very occasionally…
/r/seduction25/04/20 12:58 AM
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That book is 'way too fussy and overwrought. Seriously ... a coquette? Did he research his book by reading the Bronte sisters? There are books and materials by PUA coaches that are 100x better. They focus on real-world human mating behavior, not on historical literary constructs. Watch real world infields by PUAs whose style you like. I'll bet you'll find the best ones are doing natural game, almost to the point of being boring. Not a coquette in sight 😉
/r/seduction24/04/20 09:53 PM
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Be a passive-aggressive clown. When you reach the door, deliberately push instead of pulling or reach for the wrong side that doesn't open. Never argue with a woman, it's the opposite of being a man. If she has a tantrum over a door or anything else, or she makes that "tantrum face", then either laugh at her like you would laugh at your 3 year old sister, or go stone faced and be totally, emotionally unreactive. If you want banter lines, these are classics: "I don't know who your boyfriend is bu…
/r/seduction24/04/20 09:33 PM
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"Dark Game is the course where you learn the dark psychological secret to making any woman fall deeply in love with you." Are you afraid it might be slightly overhyped or something?
/r/seduction24/04/20 09:13 PM
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"Would you say it's predation if the prey implicitly wants it? Would you say that taking the kinds of actions that lead to having lots of groupies is not game?" That's a really good question. You often hear (or suspect) that guys become musicians or actors so they can score chicks. So it's a kind of game for sure. The trouble is, it's really, really hard to become so famous that you get groupies. It takes so much dedication and devotion that you have hardly any time to chase women when you're de…
/r/seduction23/04/20 08:01 PM
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I can't think of a book that specifically handles approach anxiety well. But the best information I ever saw about it was in an old video course by Lance Mason. It was one of the courses by his company Pickup 101. The 3 courses which you can still find on bittorrent are: Fearless First Impressions (approaching), Physical Confidence (body language) and Charismatic Conversations. His take on AA is this: in primitive human societies (and in primates like chimps) there is a rigid hierarchy for acces…
/r/seduction23/04/20 07:27 PM
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Starting around 14:00, the story about how he calmed down a raging policeman. https://youtu.be/OmI9r7Py4tk I found that with both guys and women (but mostly with women because they tend to get emotional and irrational a lot more), it really works to keep an expressionless face. I almost never argue with women. Sometimes I agree with them in a really neutral way such as, "I could see that." Humans have this way of mirroring (imitating) each other's emotional state such as anger or fear in a way t…
/r/seduction23/04/20 06:59 PM
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I never heard of Rumi but I looked him up, he sounds promising. Being well read is great, it makes you a better person which falls into the category of self improvement and becoming more attractive. But it's possible to be well read and also very bad with women. Therefore I recommend guys dip into just one or two books on inner game (psychological self help) if necessary, then read books on PUA by several different authors so they get a direct perspective on women and dating. Not very intellectu…
/r/seduction22/04/20 09:51 PM
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I pretty much gave up on texting women questions, hard or otherwise. Asking a question puts a burden on the other person to reply which is a bit needy. I find that a direct question seldom gets a response. "How are you?" is the worst but even "challenging" questions rarely work. I especially try to avoid typing a question mark. So I might send ... "How's my babe" Even better are non-sequiturs like ... "Hey trouble" (emojis optional) If you feel like you have to introduce a topic then try talking…
/r/seduction22/04/20 06:37 PM
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Ahhh it's you! Welcome back lol. Very hard to find good information on frames. It comes up a lot and I've never seen it described well in PUA materials except in an old Adam Lyons lecture ... gotta try to find it again.
/r/seduction22/04/20 06:18 PM
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For improving social skills, you can practice on whoever you're quarantined with, and anybody that you facetime or skype with. Chatting up a girl is 90% the same as being a good conversationalist with your family, roommates, etc. The same principles apply: having good eye contact, listening attentively, being sympathetic and occasionally being funny and entertaining. The book Emotional Intelligence is fairly good. If things tend to get acrimonious in your relationships there is a great PUA lectu…
/r/seduction22/04/20 06:05 PM
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Whining about the pandemic doesn't make it go away. It's like saying, shit if it wasn't for this fucking winter I could be going to the beach every day. Depending on your situation it takes months to years to improve yourself to the point where you get a noticeably better dating life. Instead of complaining about Tinder, fix your grooming, study up on fashion and clothes, get some simple exercise equipment (or a rowing machine) and work out, read self help books and improve your attitude, and wi…
/r/seduction22/04/20 04:03 PM
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You want to date women you like, right? As in, women whom you feel happy to be around. If you're happy to be talking to someone, dating them or sleeping with them then what is there to be assertive about? A relationship isn't a confrontation or a clash of wills. If feel like your interactions with women are like confrontations then go back to first principles. Work on inner game which means, analyze and improve your attitude. When you've fixed your attitude then this is how you act. You meet an …
/r/seduction22/04/20 03:51 PM
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Neil Strauss was really a 3. He still is depending on how you rate guys. He had access to hot girls when he was a journalist touring with rock bands and got zero pussy. Eventually he was running celebrity game because he maximized his (minimal) looks and most of all he learned how to talk to women. Like, he REALLY learned how to talk to women unlike 99% of all other guys. I doubt if he has ever slayed or gotten tons of the best pussy but that's not the point. The point is he went from getting ze…
/r/seduction22/04/20 03:30 PM
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Generally this is good advice. If you have an Inner Child then go for it. But if you have an Inner Bad Boy or an Inner Leader you should go with that. Or look inside for some of all those traits. I don't think you want to overdo it going into comedian mode. Women will tend to think of you as "the entertainer" instead of "the guy who fucks". Actors aren't the best role models because their psychological makeup is usually, insecure approval seeker. If you've ever hung around with an actor you know…
/r/seduction22/04/20 02:03 AM
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Suggestion for the mods, maybe an auto-mod feature can be set up so that any post which generates more than 5 "spam" reports or gets more than -10 downvote score will get auto-deleted. And if the same member makes 2 or more auto-deleted posts in a week, he's blocked for a month.
/r/seduction22/04/20 01:24 AM
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Say her name is Mary. Text her back as if you deleted her number. "Sandra is that you?" Have fun with it. Like you're humorous but tolerant. Your unspoken frame should be something like, "Of course you texted me back. You couldn't help it. Maybe I can fit you in."
/r/seduction21/04/20 06:46 PM
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I want you to be very honest with yourself. When you watch Todd V lectures and infields, does your gut tell you, "This guy is very cool. I'll bet he gets with lots of hot girls. I really want to learn how to imitate his vibe." If that's what you feel, then try to imitate his vibe. Visualize yourself acting "just like Todd". I bet you'll succeed. On the other hand if you're looking at him wondering, "How TF does this work" and you can't picture women falling for a guy who acts like that, then loo…
/r/seduction21/04/20 05:44 PM
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I really can't tell you what's going on with her. I think this isn't going well but all you can do is guess, based on the little clues she gave you (good or bad). Most of us guys kind of suck at reading girls' intentions which is a big reason why we started to learn game in the first place. All you can do is practice, observe girls, and gradually get experience. If you like a girl a lot then to a certain extent you can ignore and override her flakiness and mixed signals. But part of being experi…
/r/seduction21/04/20 05:33 PM
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Search this reddit for "book recommendations" and "recommended books" etc. you will find lots of suggestions. Also there's this website called datingskillsreview.com that has tons of information about PUA coaches and reviews of their books and video courses.
/r/seduction20/04/20 11:41 PM
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There are no strict rules for interpreting anything that a woman says. You have to develop an instinct based on the experience of interacting with many different women. If you gut is telling you that you were coming on too strong, that's probably correct. Some women actually say "we're not going to sleep together" when she means the opposite but only your instinct can tell you that. There are humorous and "IDGAF" type replies you can make to statements like that, but again they need to be guided…
/r/seduction20/04/20 11:36 PM
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I think you have to do two different things, separated in time. 1... Make it sexual with a sly joke. Just once. Don't constantly make sex jokes. 2... Then later on, ask about an innocent hangout that doesn't sound like a date. Like you're gonna drop off cookies you made, or you want to meet in the park and feed the ducks, or whatever. I have this thing where I grow orchids. I sucked at caring for them until my friend's Mom showed me her secrets. Lots of women have orchids that never bloom wherea…
/r/seduction20/04/20 10:20 PM
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"The way to use this technique is to take her on a (fake) emotional rollercoaster." This is great seduction advice for autistic guys who can't be bothered getting in touch with genuine emotions. Women probably never realize that the weird dude with bad eye contact is throwing a script at them 😄😄😄 But you know how I know this really works? Because of the awesome stock photos of hot babes making out with male models.
/r/seduction20/04/20 09:39 PM
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"it kills the mystery and it kills the fun of getting to know each other in person." Exchanges a couple of jokes and memes with a girl and told her TGIF once. Damn, now that we're on the date we have nothing to talk about!
/r/seduction20/04/20 09:20 PM
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A-hole keeps getting banned and then creates a new account.
/r/seduction20/04/20 09:07 PM
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8... Casually leave Small Business Bailout Loan applications lying around your apartment.
/r/seduction20/04/20 09:03 PM
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Being a "cool guy" means being subtle. Women like a guy who can express himself in a way that isn't boastful and embarrassing to her. Or that comes off as needy and desperate. Someone on here raised the subject of James Bond recently. Can you imagine James Bond telling a woman, "I want you" or "I want to get with you" ? Telling a woman, "I want you" is done on a kind of code. Like with eye contact, touching her lightly in a non-clingy way, allowing there to be significant pauses in the conversat…
/r/seduction20/04/20 08:59 PM
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I don't think it works. I've seen videos made by guys who are trying to demonstrate it and they seem like an ADHD frat boy or something. Too glib and too fast with rapid fire comebacks to what the girl says, then before she can reply they suddenly switch it up and give her a compliment. This is supposed to put her off her guard or something. It's questionable if these guys ever seduce anybody 🤔 so at worst, it's just these guys and their students running around in bars annoying women. If you're …
/r/seduction19/04/20 08:49 PM
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Ok I guessed wrong. Re-reading your story it sounds like she won the frame battle. Her frame is, "I'm going to add this guy to my harem of dating prospects" and you fell in with her frame. Wouldn't you rather have the frame, "she is in MY harem of dating prospects" ??? Frame battles are usually won by whoever holds to their frame the strongest. That's usually the person who's the smartest and most confident. The solution is to work on your inner game ... such as self esteem and any hangups you m…
/r/seduction19/04/20 05:03 PM
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No it's not a joke. Unfortunately. Are you familiar with the so-called pickup artist advice to "disqualify" a woman? It means, even if a guy really likes a woman and really wants to date her or sleep with her, he finds or invents reasons to dislike her and then criticizes her for those flaws. Supposedly the woman will then feel more insecure about herself and she will think that the guy is superior to her and she will feel grateful for any positive attention that he subsequently gives her. At it…
/r/seduction19/04/20 04:46 PM
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Don't get hung up on just one woman. I'm sure she's a hottie, but if you get obsessed with her you'll end up like Gollum. Maybe she's flattered to get so much attention ... up to a point ... but if you always reply immediately to her she probably decided that you're kind of obsessed. Which is more like having a stalker than getting the male attention she actually wants. IMO if you don't have multiple women on tap that you are gaming, your one girl is going to figure out that you have a needy cru…
/r/seduction19/04/20 03:36 AM
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The thing about James Bond is, he doesn't see a woman, get a needy desire for her, "take his shot", throw his heart at her feet, and then succeed. That's actually a beta way to get women (when you think about it). He sees a girl and interacts with her. If there is a 2-way spark of attraction which they BOTH feel, then he expresses his attraction to her with a smile, a nod, an innocuous question, and so on. It isn't a case of putting himself out there and risking rejection. It's like OK babe we b…
/r/seduction19/04/20 03:28 AM
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Let me guess ... you're in the same class/major or the same workplace together. Or you're in the same club or social group and you have a lot of friends and acquaintances in common?
/r/seduction19/04/20 02:03 AM
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I don't think it's because female friends act like wings or because having them impresses the hell out of other women by making them jealous or something. It's because if you can make female friends, and male friends, and you get along well with your family, roommates, classmates, co-workers etc. it means that you're a sociable, cool guy ... and women find that attractive.
/r/seduction19/04/20 01:57 AM
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This situation doesn't describe me ... but now that you mention it some PUA coaches rather than being "slayers" who sleep with lots of women every week, actually go from girlfriend to girlfriend with relationships that last from a few months to a few years. I couldn't say if it's because they were bored with doing pickup, or got obsessed with one girl, or what. I've been in long term relationships before but I was always fantasizing about other women. Always thinking, damn I like my gf but what …
/r/seduction19/04/20 01:50 AM
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Sorry if this is the first thing you read on the sub. It has no filter or membership criteria and obviously the name r/seduction is gonna be a magnet for freaks.
/r/seduction18/04/20 11:08 PM
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The word "pickup" is just a name. What studying pickup really means is, "learning how to improve your relationships with women by becoming a better person." There is nothing immoral about that. If you're studying pickup to get "that one girl" it doesn't work. That's called Oneitis and it's usually a sign that a guy has poor social skills and low self esteem. If you're an emotionally strong and attractive person then why would you think that only this one girl can make you happy? If you take care…
/r/seduction18/04/20 11:04 PM
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If this is the only girl you're texting or trying to ask out it's probably hopeless. When she said "where did this come from all of a sudden" it sounds like she was amazed that you would actually ask her out. Like she just doesn't consider you dating material. Probably there is nothing wrong with you and nothing wrong with what you texted her. But acting cool doesn't impress chicks at all unless they are pretty sure you're cool all the time with other chicks and with guys. Now you should wait as…
/r/seduction18/04/20 10:52 PM
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I can guess why this happened. When you're only gaming one girl at a time it's easy to blow it by "taking your shot". Women have a radar that tells them when a guy has a crush on her and is a bit obsessed. Women usually don't find it attractive. The reason is, when you're obsessed with her, if she dated you she's afraid you would be emotionally dependent on her. In theory you can pretend to be a player and act like you're not needy and desperate. But in practice they figure out what you really a…
/r/seduction18/04/20 09:30 PM
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No doubt this clown will be gone soon. I think he was kicked off with another account name only a week or two ago. There used to be this guy who was obsessed with Gal Godot that posted all the time lol
/r/seduction18/04/20 09:14 PM
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They key phrase here is "dead facial expression". What does that even mean? Don't try to answer me. Analyze your feelings and answer it for yourself. If you think you have low self esteem, the classic self-help book that guys around here recommend is The Six Pillars of Self Esteem. If that doesn't do it, look around for other self help books. Try to find words that describe how you feel, then search for books at amazon that answer those questions and that are highly recommended. The answer is ou…
/r/seduction18/04/20 06:40 PM
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Be truthfully skeptical. You don't have to say out loud what you're thinking but just by thinking it, you can let it show on your face. You could be thinking, "Are you just a cock tease?" "Are those tits real?" "Are you a bit too chubby?" "If I get your number are you gonna ghost me?" "Are you a psycho bitch?" Chicks have great intuition. If you're desperate, skeptical, or if you genuinely like her and think she's cool, she'll figure it out really quickly. The trick is to honestly acknowledge wh…
/r/seduction18/04/20 06:29 PM
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You don't understand shit tests because you said they're a sign that the other person is being disrespectful. And, you said that you have a problem forming a deeper bond with people during conversation. If you understand what a shit test really is, then you will understand the other person better. They're not trying to disrespect you. They just met you and they have legitimate questions about who you are, what you want and why you approached them. People will not jump into deep conversation with…
/r/seduction18/04/20 03:33 PM
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Shit tests are sometimes a girl expressing reasonable concerns, like about logistics and safety. Or they're a test of your emotional maturity to see if you're calm and stable, or if you're fragile, egotistical or bad tempered. Understand her point of view. A shit test is an instinctive self protection behavior. You should do the same things to test her, for the same reasons. So if she's asking a reasonable question, deal with it. If she's testing you by teasing you, be unreactive and cool about …
/r/seduction18/04/20 03:03 AM
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I think that Engineered Lifestyle had some infields of Brian doing college daygame in CA, before he moved to Vegas. He's tall, ok looking, African. For example https://youtu.be/tqqluOEpXW8
/r/seduction18/04/20 02:49 AM
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Troll
/r/seduction18/04/20 02:39 AM
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You're pretty smart ... for a girl. Oh noooo did I just type that????
/r/seduction17/04/20 06:52 PM
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Yeah kinda dumb. But I should have said, the vibe you're sharing with the other person is 100x more important than any line you come up with.
/r/seduction17/04/20 05:51 PM
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Point 3 ... We know it innately but the instinct is often buried under layers of guilt, feelings of unworthiness, etc. that are foisted on us by families, friends, teachers, religion and media.
/r/seduction17/04/20 03:54 PM
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Calling a girl out for not texting you rarely works. She doesn't owe you a text. So don't be a fuckin' pest and a whiny bitch. Two ways to get women to text you more: (1) be interesting and funny when you text her and when you see her IRL and/or talk on the phone or facetime her. (2) Be patient. If she ghosts you then ghost her back. If she likes you, she will text you sooner or later. If you can't stand waiting then calm the fuck down, get more girls to text, or get another hobby.
/r/seduction17/04/20 03:51 PM
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I've sampled a few PUA podcasts here and there and I thought they were pretty bad. Since they are unscripted they get sidetracked into long, boring, personal anecdotes that are completely unhelpful. You would think that they would be full of informative real life pickup stories but they're not. I listened to a podcast once that was titled "Threesome experiences". The one guy had no experience, the other guy got two drunk girls into his bedroom who were up for it, but he lost his nerve and left t…
/r/seduction17/04/20 03:40 PM
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You should always listen to women. However very few of them think or speak in the logical way that men do, so you have to develop the ability to understand womanese. The exception is German women who are trained in school to repress their feminine intuition and talk like men (badly). If you can't listen to women and translate what they're saying ... to the point where you tune them out ... you won't get very far dating them. TLDR: Listen to women. Process what they're saying using experience and…
/r/seduction17/04/20 03:21 PM
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It's really awkward to suddenly introduce push-pull into an interaction. If you want to tease a girl then OK but it has to be something relevant and funny. Don't look for opportunities to tease and "take back". Learn how to listen and observe attentively. If something actually funny or actually relevant occurs to you, then ask your gut if it's necessary to make a comment. Often it isn't necessary, because girls are happy if you're listening and they don't need your smartass putdowns. Example: sh…
/r/seduction17/04/20 03:04 PM
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Don't feed this troll
/r/seduction17/04/20 02:44 PM
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"then when they say "not a all" I send a foto from their IG with that celebrity face" Try going the other way ... when she says "not at all" tell her "sorry I meant Angela Merkel 😆" I don't know how to switch from telling jokes to being serious. Maybe you should keep joking and wait for them to ask you something serious. Tell her that people often say you look like Dwayne Johnson's brother. When she looks at your IG and says "I don't think so", tell her "I was adopted". For shit tests ... rememb…
/r/seduction17/04/20 02:42 PM
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Yes if you like. I don't think I was good at funny game at all until I watched Ciel (Chen University aka Chen City) infields. In one video he told his story. He was a funny guy in school but he was afraid to be funny with girls when he started to learn game. Gradually he gave himself permission (or something) to be funny again. Not because it's necessary to get girls but because it's his personality. He took down most of his infields but some of them made me LMAO. Maybe you could still see them …
/r/seduction17/04/20 02:35 AM
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Ha ha, I was kidding 😄 But now when you said that and I re-read what I wrote, it's actually just a more bold version of what I have sent to women before. If you feel like you can use it, go ahead. What I sent was this. It was to a girl who was a really slow texter, and it was a friendzone situation. ME: "Hey trouble" (wait one minute) ME: "Ooh sorry. That was for someone else. Sorry!" (she waits about two minutes) HER: "I'm embarrassed I don't know what to say!" ME: "Ha ha, flustered!" HER: "I'm…
/r/seduction16/04/20 11:31 PM
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I read an early version of Ice White's Message Game Guide that he shared on google docs, now I think he sells it on amazon. Also read some free stuff at playingfire.com and looked at the free videos about text game by Engineered Lifestyle, promoting their product called The Algorithm which is about Tinder and text game. Being a dry texter is bad but of course, texting too much is even worse 😆
/r/seduction16/04/20 11:15 PM
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YOU: "Hey Keira babe you up for a weekend on my yacht?" HER: "Is that you Konstanti? WTF" YOU: "Oooh sorry. Wrong number. That was for someone else. Sorry!" YOU: "Anyways ... do you wanna fuck? Not that I care." Let us know how it worked out.
/r/seduction16/04/20 06:44 PM
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Well ... ok ... as long as you're not acting fake 😆 Wasn't this a plot in Friends or Big Bang Theory or something? IIRC it backfired and hilarity ensued.
/r/seduction16/04/20 06:27 PM
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The two best PUA naturals I ever met both had their tomcat ways come to a crashing stop due to STD scares. One guy had a steady gf that he cheated on all the time. She thought she might have chlamydia and forced him to admit he was cheating by threatening to expose him all over the small town they both came from, if he denied it and she tested positive. She said, because I haven't been sleeping with anyone else. He admitted cheating, she tested negative and dumped him. So he went after a 20 year…
/r/seduction16/04/20 06:14 PM
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I think this guy has been setting up different accounts and trolling this shit for a few weeks now.
/r/seduction16/04/20 05:51 PM
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Dry texters are widely disliked. I even hear girls complaining about other girls they know who are too dry, boring or slow to text. Texting in a way that is entertaining and eventually leads to dates is an art form. It's difficult for most guys to learn. I sucked at it until I found a few text-game guides here on reddit, on web sites and on youtube. Once you learn a few techniques then you have to practice a lot, on different girls to find out what they like. Eventually they'll be the ones texti…
/r/seduction16/04/20 05:40 PM
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I don't have your problem of being a big muscular dude lol. Gonna give you my generic advice, if you need it work on grooming, clothes, posture, smiling, eye contact, listening skills, conversation. If all of those are on tap then your opening line barely matters. Guys use everything from "Hi" to "I thought you looked cute" to "Do you know where the nearest Starbucks is". If you feel like people get nervous around you, develop the ability to put them at their ease. Mostly by learning how to be v…
/r/seduction16/04/20 05:14 PM
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It's natural to feel that way. Most guys who study game start out with that motivation. But success only occurs when you realize that the point is, "I will be happier because I will share more happy moments with other people." Get it? Women aren't validating you. They're sharing your happiness ... and vice-versa. This is the shortest possible summary of Game: First you feel happy with yourself, you share it with other people, they feel your happiness and they give it back to you.
/r/seduction15/04/20 04:49 PM
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There are text and Tinder guides out there, look them up. They will help you improve far faster than you can figure out on your own. Especially if you're only trying to text one girl at a time. Once you get the basic ideas down and you have several women to text, you can experiment and try out different strategies and texting styles.
/r/seduction15/04/20 03:05 PM
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A couple of tips. You can practice these at home. Walking, a slower version of the male model walk. Not tough or macho, it says, "Look at me ... I'm so cool I don't even need to project toughness." Never in a hurry because other people wait for you. Not arrogant looking but matter of factly acknowledging, "I am the show." Standing, put all your weight on one foot, zero weight on the other. Turn the free foot 90° to the foot bearing your weight. Keep your back straight and your head high, but not…
/r/seduction15/04/20 12:26 AM
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You can practice on your family, roommates, whoever you're with. Conversation skills are mostly about having steady eye contact and being a good listener. Being an entertaining talker is an optional bonus. And downright negative if you talk too much. Talking to a hot girl and being fun, interesting, etc. is 90% the same as talking to your Mom, sister or aunt. Believe it or not! It's true.
/r/seduction15/04/20 12:04 AM
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Self improvement! Also meditation and affirmations. I'm sure it wasn't being ugly that lost you those girls. Check out my comments here (no I'm not selling anything) https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/g1gfq7/the_novelty_of_being_goodlooking_dont_rely_solely/
/r/seduction14/04/20 11:57 PM
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I wouldn't know what these "good looks" things are ... lol. But any guy can dress and groom like a male model, learn to walk and command attention like a model, and have rock steady, laser eye contact like a movie star in the scene where he meets the hottest girl ever. I figure, you can be like, 80% of being a male hottie. Not too bad. Better than being 0% which is where most guys are at. Then you can learn to be actually good at talking to women and entertaining them and you're pushing 85-90%.
/r/seduction14/04/20 11:53 PM
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I just remembered, my buddy's Dad is like 65 years old, a retired lawyer married to a doctor and he has a basement just like a kid's with a train set, toy race cars, drum kit, playstation console and stuff. He inherited some money and bought 2 very expensive vintage cars. I'm not going to tell you what kind of cars except, one of them is very faggy and the other one is "fairly" gay. Not exactly muscle cars if you know what I mean. That old dude must have a strong frame because he isn't even a ti…
/r/seduction14/04/20 11:36 PM
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Sometimes your instincts of "who to avoid" are very reliable. Especially if you're in your body and connecting to intuition. Your radar might have picked up a signal, "this chick is crazy, married, alcoholic, got herpes" or whatever.
/r/seduction14/04/20 08:00 PM
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I think you have to choose. You can def find a woman and she will love you and tolerate your hobby ... but I doubt that you can be a player or fuckboy. Once I had a fuckbuddy, she said she'd been seeing her old boyfriend from high school again. She said, "He still likes to build airplanes with Legos and he runs around with them going "BZZZZZZZ!!!" Looooool In a novel by PG Wodehouse the character Bertie Wooster is trying to help his friend Gussie hook up with a girl. But Gussie has a passion for…
/r/seduction14/04/20 07:51 PM
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It's ok! Not the best thing but all you can do is laugh it off. The more you develop eye contact and listening skills the less this will happen because saying something clever and spontaneous is hard ... but looking at a beautiful woman (once you have practiced) and listening to her are really easy.
/r/seduction14/04/20 07:39 PM
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Good advice, I always sort by New not by Hot. I sometimes suspect that those sweeping complaints about this reddit that we see regularly ... "all you guys think you just have to manipulate women into sleeping with you" ... are usually by guys who stumbled across the reddit by accident and looked at the top 3 "hot" posts. There still a lot of crappy posts but it doesn't take long to skim and filter them.
/r/seduction14/04/20 07:31 PM
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Are you texting lots of girls? Or at least, as many as you can? These problems of overthinking and anxiety are really common when you only have one girl to text. But they disappear in direct proportion to the number of girls you communicate with. If you have at least 3, 4, 5 or more girls to game with text you can still think about what to text them and try to come up with the best response, but it takes away the pressure and fear of "blowing it". You also get a lot less anxious if a girl takes …
/r/seduction14/04/20 07:19 PM
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Good insight! There are various reasons why she may be playing dumb. She's raised in a conservative culture, there's an age gap, and even for her culture she's a bit repressed. She throws off attraction signals unconsciously, as people do, but in conversation and texting she weighs every word, avoids emojis and generally distrusts and second guesses her feelings. It's a genuine friendzone situation but I don't care ... I like her and it's still fun to try to get her revved up. It's a long term p…
/r/seduction14/04/20 04:01 AM
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Are you saying, chicks don't care if a guy has sloppy clothes, a scraggly beard, greasy hair, bad posture, acts nervous and has no sense of humor?
/r/seduction13/04/20 07:04 PM
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You have to find your own style. You can be the raucously funny guy, or you can be the strong, silent type. The part to imitate is not acting like you care much whether people like your style, whatever it is.
/r/seduction13/04/20 06:10 PM
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These are tiny excerpts of long term text conversations which are sometimes boring and sometimes highly sexualized. Where subjects such as spanking, making out and orgasms were mentioned. I gave these mild examples because they show how a guy can START to sexualize a friendzone relationship with baby steps. I sent standard, boring holiday greetings, then introduced the playboy-bunny innuendo, and they both sent me bunny+heart emojis. Yes they like me, and yes they got the joke and appreciated it…
/r/seduction13/04/20 05:57 PM
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It's subtle but you can gradually sexualize a friendzone situation. IRL with more silence and more intense eye contact. With text by gradually tossing in sexual innuendo once in a while. It only works if it's part of an overall plan of self improvement one part of which is developing an image of yourself as an attractive and sexually confident guy.
/r/seduction13/04/20 05:48 PM
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He didn't have any canned lines, he just went on his instinct which was fairly sexual and uninhibited. He would listen to what people were saying, he would think of a dirty joke and blurt it out. Then he would laugh at his own joke and he literally didn't care if anyone else thought it was funny or if they were offended. This is an untypical conversation but it shows how totally unconcerned he was with what anyone thought. A bunch of us guys were standing around chatting in the hall of our all-m…
/r/seduction13/04/20 05:42 PM
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Try eye contact practice (look up the YT videos) then try to listen to people more and speak less. It actually tends to make you more relaxed and funny, the less you try to think of something clever to say. When you carefully listen to someone you learn more about them and the about the context of what they're talking about. Then you will make more connections, have more insight, and you will have something more interesting to reply. Often a simple nod or smile is enough.
/r/seduction13/04/20 05:25 PM
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Lol, tough audience. Oops I mean, hi Heather 😄😄😄 These aren't random texts to women I barely know these greetings are part of long and fairly intimate relationships. Although I care about each of these women individually, I'm not at all trying to convey to any of them that I'm hot "just for them" i.e. that I have a special crush on them. If they get a little bit of the vibe that I'm a fuckboy and I have lots of girls to text that's a win. Nobody blocked me yet ... although there's one girl who's…
/r/seduction13/04/20 05:18 PM
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Affirmations are a good start. Really simple to do and they work. They should be used as one part of a general self improvement plan (fitness, grooming, clothes, posture, conversation skills, eye contact and listening skills etc)
/r/seduction13/04/20 04:58 PM
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Introducing push-pull as a regular, everyday conversation strategy is not a good thing. Nobody "wins" a banter battle except at open-mic night in comedy clubs. Yes it's good to be funny sometimes, and sometimes you can deal with shit tests and cockblocks with a zinger (put down). Or ... you can just act like you're a cool guy who doesn't care what people think of him and feels no need to put them in their place. You should mostly be interacting with a girl instinctively, and if your instinct is …
/r/seduction13/04/20 04:53 PM
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My advice for women who come here is, study the materials (ebooks, videos and stuff) that guys use to learn how to become more attractive to women. Not just any materials, but the books and videos that make you think, "Yeah this guy (the author or dating coach) is cool. If you do this you will learn to recognize the difference between cool guys who are good with women, and guys who are jerks and losers. Then, you can pick out the good ones easily because you will spot their better clothes and gr…
/r/seduction13/04/20 04:31 PM
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Dumb debate. Go with whatever works.for you and for a particular girl. Mating is a primitive instinct and words mean relatively little compared to feelings, body language, touch, smell and so on. Sometimes using the right words help people to ease into the mood, sometimes they're not necessary. One thing's for sure: words alone never got anyone laid.
/r/seduction13/04/20 04:06 PM
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Yes, if all those girlfriends see you as an attractive, sexual guy. No if the girls see you as a eunuch in the harem. I worked with a guy once who was charming and funny. Not gay or effeminate in any way ... but very un-sexual in his vibe. He literally had a harem of the hottest 3 or 4 admins in the company who would eat lunch with him every day, go for walks after lunch, and drop by his office to chat and gossip in between. Unless he was the most sly, sneaker seducer in history I'm pretty sure …
/r/seduction13/04/20 03:59 PM
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I think you should try to initiate and maintain some kind of text contact, taking baby steps, not texting too often, not sending needy texts and so on. Maybe it will build up to phone chats or facetime, it's up to you and your girls. For example I sent texts like this to 2 different women today. ME: "Happy Easter 🐇🥚🐣🍳" ME: "Lockdown tip: wear bunny ears today to celebrate" Notice the slight sexual innuendo elevating it from "boring" to "hmmm". Oddly, both of them replied soon afterward with pict…
/r/seduction12/04/20 11:42 PM
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Boring huh? But in the middle of her several messages of response, I texted her "man I miss sex right now" - this way, she is completely caught off guard and sure as hell she will think about that convo later on Lol 9/10, well done. Gonna suggest a couple more similar ones: "BTW can you have multiple orgasms from getting oral sex?" (in the middle.of a boring convo) (after she texts something boring) "Hmm ... when I hear stuff like that I get emotionally" (pause for 60 seconds) "... erect" (After…
/r/seduction12/04/20 06:34 PM
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"'Yeah, I paint. It's really fun. I should show you some of my stuff. Are you artistic?" Sounds like a perfectly OK answer to me. Except instead of saying "Are you artistic?" which is putting her on the spot you could either: 1) End it there and let her either pick up the subject or drop it. Like you don't care whether she is impressed or not, or whether she is actually interested in the implied invitation to your place. 2) Cold reading such as, "You seem creative, I'll bet you secretly write po…
/r/seduction12/04/20 05:56 PM
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Embrace humor and illogicality more. Mating behavior is more instinct and intuition, not so much about Deep Thoughts. You can convey to a woman that you are intelligent without actually engaging her in deep conversations. She will figure it out fairly quickly ... for the other 99% of your interaction she will want to know if you are fun, entertaining, humorous, sexy and emotionally stable.
/r/seduction12/04/20 05:41 PM
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It won't necessarily be a shock to the girl, if you change the way you communicate with her in subtle ways while you are improving yourself. In fact it's hard to disguise the changes even if you're only texting her. Most women are highly adaptable and adjust quickly to the guy that they see before them. Women who tend to be more logical and reserved may be slightly jarred, but they're still pleased when a guy who has changed to become more fun and attractive is giving them attention. Women who a…
/r/seduction12/04/20 05:34 PM
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Texting and facetiming is more for practice during quarantine than as a way to set up dates in the future. During quarantine you have the choice of (a) self improvement and practice, (b) trying to date girls as safely as possible, or (c) crawling under a rock. You do not have the choice (d) getting on reddit and whining and cursing about what other people choose to do.
/r/seduction12/04/20 05:25 PM
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Ok this is 2nd hand and I don't have a link. But a few months ago one of the PUA coaches that I follow was talking about some clients he had at a bootcamp or some other kind of teaching session in Scandanavia. Possibly it was Stockholm. The 2 clients were Indo-Canadian from Toronto and (he claimed) they were pleasantly surprised with the reception they got. Apparently they were considered as "exotic" and fairly attractive to the European girls whereas in Toronto they were treated like "brown clo…
/r/seduction12/04/20 05:10 PM
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Pickup coach. A person who is paid to demonstrate and teach guys how to approach, talk to and get dates with women. PUA means "pickup artist".
/r/seduction11/04/20 11:55 PM
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It probably only disappoints people who are obsessed with social media like instagram and who tend to think, "If it isn't on instagram it isn't real." I have a boring instagram I wouldn't give it out even if asked. If I had a fun and cool IG then maybe I would give it out. I've seen more than one infield by professional PUA coaches who tell girls, "No I don't do social media like instagram I prefer to interact with people in real life."
/r/seduction11/04/20 09:59 PM
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Ok I understand better now. I'm not a psychologist and I can't give any legitimate advice but it sounds like based on your past experience of being assaulted you have some anxiety that it could happen again. I think it's very a normal and reasonable way to feel. It may be PTSD in which case there are lots of resources available. Professional help and probably lots of self help books and stuff.
/r/seduction11/04/20 07:41 PM
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Search this reddit for questions about instagram. It is asked fairly frequently. This thread has a lot of irrelevant comments but also some decent advice: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/fwnt1c/the_best_way_i_can_learn_how_to_text_a_girl_on/ As for finding local girls to follow, use location tags. Think of places near your house, or just use the name of your city or college. Do an IG location search. Scroll through the location-tagged pics. When you find a cute or interesting girl, f…
/r/seduction11/04/20 07:26 PM
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This has been asked hundreds of times, so search for the topic on this reddit for starters. Many PUA books cover the topic, search for book recommendations, recommended reading, etc. Many youtube videos cover this, and there are infield videos showing real dates.
/r/seduction11/04/20 05:49 PM
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"the posts have been weird as hell lately." Yeah you probably noticed, it's a weird time. Pretty much only two things to talk about: 1) How to game safely during lockdown for example with text and facetime 2) How to continue working on self improvement when you can't practice game by approaching women IRL Do you have a specific question or specific advice to post? If you did that would make the reddit better and guys might benefit.
/r/seduction11/04/20 05:35 PM
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What male behaviors or traits do you consider to be alpha? What you think is alpha might not be what chicks consider to be alpha. For example a guy who goes around with his chest stuck out arrogantly, flexing his muscles, bragging in a loud voice, offering to fight other guys, making fun of other people or putting them down isn't an alpha, he's a beta with deep insecurities. A true alpha is friendly and puts other people at their ease. He doesn't treat guys or girls with either warmth or disdain…
/r/seduction11/04/20 05:23 PM
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I was going to say, it's like you're reading a completely different subreddit than I am. I've read and participated in tons of threads which are about, "How to progress with women or progress with self improvement during the lockdown." Did you notice all those threads? I'll give you and everyone else here a tip: don't read this reddit sorted by "Hot" topics, always read it by "New". The most massively upvoted subjects are not always the most valuable and they are seldom typical of the general tr…
/r/seduction11/04/20 04:55 PM
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No I wouldn't tell a girl I read that book. It's not necessary. Women are very perceptive and instinctual. They judge a guy for what he is as he stands right there before her. She doesn't care what he was like 2 years ago, doesn't care that he's on a journey of self improvement, or anything like that. It's the man standing in front of her right now that she either wants to date, keep as a friend, or shun and avoid. I changed in a huge way right in front of many of my friends, male and female, as…
/r/seduction11/04/20 04:32 PM
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A guy shows that he has low value by consciously trying to display his supposedly high value. Like by pretending to casually mention that he reads up on current events, that he owns a condo, takes his nephews to the museum, he's lived abroad, etc. If you can't convey your value in about 10 seconds with your grooming, clothes, body language, humor, calmness etc. then there aren't any stories, memes or anecdotes which can make up for it. So other than answering her job-interview type questions ...…
/r/seduction11/04/20 04:13 PM
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If you're locked down and you don't know any other girls to text with and practice text game on, your only choice is to get on Tinder or some other app, try and get matches, and do text game on those girls. I have no idea how easy that is right now. If you know other girls whom you could text, even if you've never been romantic with them or asked them out, during the lockdown you can still engage them in text conversations and game them a little bit. Meaning you can be a text buddy , joke around…
/r/seduction10/04/20 11:44 PM
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There are Tinder guides available. I never bought any of them but they exist. Maybe they're worth it. For example check out Engineered Lifestyle on youtube. They sell a Tinder guide called The Algorithm. I always thought their free vids were OK where they talk about live approaches, Tinder profiles and texting. One of the coaches is black so it must be applicable to minorities at least somewhat.
/r/seduction10/04/20 08:11 PM
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Probably all very cool and interesting and it might even impress some chicks if you can talk like this. Personally I lean to simpler explanations based on human evolution. I think they're more accurate and they get guys to understand what they have to do a lot quicker. But understanding Paleo Game is not a necessary part of learning to get good with women. If you watch talks and explanations by PUA coaches who teach a lot of students in bootcamps etc. they have an even leaner and more efficient …
/r/seduction10/04/20 07:48 PM
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Two very popular books that have helped people reshape their attitudes wrt women are: The Six Pillars of Self Esteem No More Mr Nice Guy These are good general-purpose guides by therapists with decades of experience. Probably there are other great books out there that specialize in certain problems such as religious indoctrination, abusive or neglectful parents, having a diagnosed "labeled" syndrome and so on.
/r/seduction10/04/20 06:22 PM
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"I can't just slip in my thought that I just want to fuck her. That would creep her out " Creepiness is a state of mind guys have which girls pick up on. Often it starts with a guy having feelings of unworthiness or guilt about dating and sex. If a guy feels unworthy of a girl or guilty about wanting to sleep with her, then he feels like a creep for trying. The girl detects this right away ... almost as if by ESP but usually by noticing the tiny, subtle body language clues that the guy gives off…
/r/seduction10/04/20 04:39 PM
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Dad game lol
/r/seduction10/04/20 04:28 PM
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There is a course out there called Girlfriend Activation System which covers this subject from a PUA perspective. Description and reviews here: https://www.datingskillsreview.com/the-girlfriend-activation-system/
/r/seduction10/04/20 04:24 PM
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Send texts less frequently, but make them more funny or thoughtful. Don't send questions. You should seldom use a question mark because that is literally needy (it needs a response). You can double text if you break up your thoughts into 2 or more chunks sent 1, 2, 5 or even 15 minutes apart. Send the punch line 2 minutes after the setup. You can be interesting but suspenseful. If you put yourself out there with an interesting, funny or provocative text then you better go quiet afterwards for an…
/r/seduction10/04/20 04:16 PM
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I just watched his "funny moments" vid. I'm sure he isn't that class-clown, try-hard persona all the time. Flashes of wit work on girls when they're a surprise to her because you were pretty laid back until then. From an evolutionary point of view I think a woman wants to know that you're mostly quiet and calm, but also intelligent and observant and therefore able to spot the irony in a situation and call it out. It's the difference between a hidden gem and a dancing monkey.
/r/seduction10/04/20 04:01 PM
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"What do you mean by eliminating guilt?" If you feel that you are seducing someone who didn't want to be seduced, that's an example of feeling guilt. "what is the boundary between good conversation skills, being able to interest women who aren’t interested automatically” and being manipulative." Unless you tell lies to a woman, like that you're a doctor or that you want to marry her, just talking to a girl isn't manipulative. If you tell a girl, "You look cute" or "That's a hot dress" you're not…
/r/seduction10/04/20 03:14 PM
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Yes it depends on where you're really "at" in your heart. Is your temptation to say something sarcastic motivated by bitterness or hopelessness, or are you motivated by the humorous irony of a situation? If (b) you can make a sarcastic wisecrack and smile sincerely. If (a) leave it alone and look around you for something positive to talk about instead.
/r/seduction10/04/20 02:58 PM
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Yeah 100 videos seems like overkill. For texting I learned a lot from Ice White who posted a free version of his Message Game Guide ebook on reddit a while ago. A nice, short read. Also from the free examples at playingfire.com, and a couple of videos with breakdowns of text conversations posted on the Chen University and Engineered Lifestyle YT channels. Those things plus practicing on several girls changed me from being a total zero at texting to being pretty happy with my game.
/r/seduction10/04/20 02:00 AM
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I don't know that book but I think you can become less beta. Mostly by getting rid of loser habits and loser attitudes. If the change is sincere and permanent people will adapt to the "new you" very quickly. Caveat: If the change is mostly to impress someone you have a crush on then that's still being beta. A big part of becoming alpha is becoming attractive to lots of people, instead of mooning over just one person. Giving up on your crush, or at least relegating them to being one of a pack of …
/r/seduction10/04/20 01:33 AM
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Here's an example from today. We know that nothing is going to happen during the lockdown so texting with this particular girl has got a bit silly. I'm going with the flow not worrying about logistics. Keep her entertained, and in due time the logistics will be simple. She re-initiated after not texting me for 4 days. HER: "I recently switched all of the labels on the spices in our drawer. My bf hasn't realized it yet, but the thyme is cumin." ME: "Ha ha ha ha you are so saucy!" Believe it or no…
/r/seduction10/04/20 12:51 AM
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I saw one of his free text game how-to videos and I decided he was overthinking it. Not that anything was flat out wrong. I just thought he was trying to come up with a fairly rigid formula for classifying girls' texts and then dictating a response based on what kind of text she sent. Learning text game is important and you should study materials on it. You have to get some ideas from at least a couple of different coaches and then practice and experiment a lot. How frequently you text, what ton…
/r/seduction10/04/20 12:30 AM
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If she's the only girl you see in person that's ok. If you have other girls who you can text then you can practice your text game on them. Even if you haven't tried to flirt with them before you can be friendly, then get funny, then potentially get a bit sexual, in a sly way. You just have to be very chill, don't text too often, and sometimes stop texting and wait for her to resume the conversation or start a new one. You have to get good at texting anyways so why not practice during the lockdow…
/r/seduction09/04/20 07:30 PM
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You can't make women do something they don't want to do. They have strong self-protective instincts, and most of them also have cockblocking friends who help protect them from losers and liars. "Game" isn't about manipulation, it's about uncovering your attractive, instinctive self by losing bad habits ... such as bad mental attitudes (guilt, insecurity), bad grooming, bad conversational habits, lack of respect for women, and so on. Shit tests are a way of cutting through a guy's superficial "ga…
/r/seduction09/04/20 05:20 PM
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I was prone to express a negative, sarcastic take on things when conversing with people. I was even told by a couple of hot girls, "You're so negative!" So among other fixes, I have tried to eliminate sarcasm from my vocabulary. Saying something happy, neutral or keeping quiet and not expressing an opinion is better than making a bitter wisecrack. I don't know if this rewired my brain but it made my interactions with women significantly better. It's like there is a path in my brain that leads to…
/r/seduction09/04/20 05:07 PM
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Good advice. A simple rule I came up with is to never repeat the same request or invitation. Even if you're not showing impatience or anger at her lack of enthusiasm, it's bad form to make the same suggestion twice. I fell into this a couple of times. For example driving a girl home from a group social activity she mentioned that learning to waltz is easy. I said, "Then you can show me ok?" and 5 minutes later after chatting about other things I said, "And you're gonna teach me to waltz, right?"…
/r/seduction09/04/20 05:00 PM
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Is this oneitis? Which means, is she the only girl you're interested in right now? Usually this is a bad thing because women have an instinct which tells them if you have a lot of dating options, or if you're desperate and you don't date a lot of women. They often reject a guy like this because they don't want to get involved with a guy who will be emotionally dependent on them. It might seem like a paradox, but many women prefer to date men who are also interested in other women ... because tha…
/r/seduction09/04/20 04:46 PM
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Yad says stuff like, "I don't believe you!" in a friendly tone of voice, while maintaining eye contact and a pleasant facial expression. I might say nothing at all but smile at the girl, maintain eye contact but tilt my head slightly which is a signal that says, "You're cute, so whatever bullshit you tell me is OK." It's hard to do these things in a practiced, calculating way. So ultimately you want to believe deep down in your frame which is something like, "She's into me. She's cute. I have to…
/r/seduction09/04/20 03:49 PM
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It's a lousy situation but I'm trying to keep in touch with all my girls via text throughout the lockdown. At a lower frequency but I'm not dropping anyone. If I don't text them for a while nearly every girl will text me out of the blue, around every couple of weeks. These girls are very lonely and really crave some male attention. If they're too quiet I text them - never with "How are you?" always with a joke, tease, or non-sequitur.
/r/seduction09/04/20 03:14 PM
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It's this one starting around 57:00. The whole video is pretty good. https://youtu.be/-unuqF4uklE
/r/seduction09/04/20 03:06 PM
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Some of the best materials I've seen on this question from a PUA perspective are by Jonathan Manwhore. Such as his lectures at 21 Conventions on YT. He emphasizes emotional strength and unreactiveness as being essential masculine traits for attracting women and for success in all aspects of life.
/r/seduction09/04/20 12:24 AM
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Basic rule of creepiness: if YOU feel like it's creepy, it is. Women will pick up the feeling from you. So if you feel guilty or afraid of being criticized, people will label you as creepy. Rule #2 of creepiness: once a woman thinks that you are creepy, she will never change her mind about you. You can never become un-creepy to her.
/r/seduction09/04/20 12:16 AM
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TLDR but short answer, you have to game lots of women to the point where you don't care if one particular woman decides whether she wants to hang out or not. When you become less needy and desperate, many women change their mind and decide that they DO want to hang out. It seems like they know by ESP that you have other babes lined up but really it's the subtle vibe you give off in your interactions that tells them.
/r/seduction09/04/20 12:10 AM
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You can command and get female attention in more subtle ways. Just with your presence, your body language (the way you walk, stand and sit), eye contact, and/or nice but not necessarily flamboyant clothes and accessories. Piercings are not necessary therefore, but if you really feel like they should be part of you, go for it. I read a biography of William Shakespeare who had an earring in his left ear. Quoting from memory the author said, "Earrings on men in Shakespeare's day meant exactly the s…
/r/seduction09/04/20 12:03 AM
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One of the simple examples is, when you meet a girl and you're getting to know her, resist the urge to say things like this to everything she tells you: "You're from Brazil? That is so cool!" "You study pre-med? Awesome." Better to mix it up with a lot of different responses, many of which are just looking at her politely and attentively and say nothing, just let her continue. Yad the UK daygamer has a funny vid where he goes through an entire interaction saying nothing positive at all but expre…
/r/seduction08/04/20 11:50 PM
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"The only difference difference with IG game is that the girls are not expecting to get hit on or are looking for guys. So there is a way to message them." Notoriously on IG, in comments and DMs, hot girls get hit on by hundreds of guys. Actually even ugly women do. So assuming you're a cool guy with an IG that shows how legitimately great you are, what do you message to a hot IG babe that makes her actually click on your profile to check you out and then message you back and go for the hangout?…
/r/seduction08/04/20 11:21 PM
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👍great glad to hear it works, I should work on my profile
/r/seduction08/04/20 12:50 AM
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It's a good video ... guys should watch it. If you sign up for coaching I guess you gotta be ready to suck it up and cold approach ... no point wasting money by not doing reps with your coach. And getting good with women doesn't necessarily involve pain and adversity IMHO. It doesn't have to be a grind. The best naturals I ever saw were literally just self amusing all the time, in a way that was welcoming to women. Cocky-funny in a very unrehearsed way. They didn't grind it out with thousands of…
/r/seduction07/04/20 11:35 PM
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Lines don't pick up girls, your attitude does ... as expressed in your clothes, grooming, body language, eye contact, listening skills, voice tonality and general coolness and presence. Get all those things going for you and you can say almost anything you want.
/r/seduction07/04/20 06:58 PM
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I don't approach women on Instagram. So I can't give you any solid advice based on personal experience. I'm really skeptical of IG as being a place that anybody can do a decent amount of game ... unless he has a super awesome IG account and I mean, with a lot more than just hunky pictures like on Tinder. I've relayed this fact before and I think it's worth repeating. There is this PUA coach called Alex Social, aka 4week Natural formerly known as RSD Alex. He gave IG the funniest endorsement I've…
/r/seduction07/04/20 06:50 PM
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Banning bots such as u/nice-scores would improve the board.
/r/seduction07/04/20 03:56 PM
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Those outer changes are all good but no improvement to dating/sex life will occur until your inner game changes. Meaning, you love and respect yourself and you love and respect other people. My experience is that only modest, simple improvements to outer game were required. I didn't become wealthy, get really muscular or start wearing a 3 piece suit everywhere. But modest improvements combined with inner game work on self esteem, emotional intelligence, etc. my dating/sex life improvements were …
/r/seduction07/04/20 03:52 PM
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I didn't watch his meditation videos, I scrolled past them to watch his PUA infields ... lol He's a different kind of cat ... he's worked in non-PUA teaching and therapy of some kind so he has a more holistic, inner game approach than most PUAs. He worked as a PUA coach for Kezia Noble's company at one time and is a friend and former ? colleague of James Tusk. Here's a video with the two of them daygaming in Rio a couple of months ago. https://youtu.be/z2mn0DshClo
/r/seduction06/04/20 09:40 PM
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Thought maybe your Sam was this Sam but I think I was wrong. https://youtu.be/HmBE-0OXKc8
/r/seduction06/04/20 08:04 PM
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Is that Sam Fluid Social?
/r/seduction06/04/20 06:32 PM
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Smile, say "hi", find out her name, remember her name and use it later.
/r/seduction06/04/20 06:31 PM
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Don't sweat it too much. For now with the lockdown, it's too hard to be actually seductive. You can still practice on social media but ain't hardly nothing going to happen. Keep on working on self improvement ... sounds like it's going well. In person, if you're really having having fun with a girl, and you're telling yourself "This is really fun, I find her really attractive", that's when girls tend to reciprocate. If you're nervous and full of doubts then they'll feel nervous too.
/r/seduction06/04/20 06:27 PM
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If you seriously want to call out women on BS you'd be doing it all day, every day. Women are emotional, illogical and have no real conscience about lying or exaggerating to get their way. I'm not putting them down, just saying that's the way it is. My philosophy is, recognize women's BS as something that they do naturally. You can't call them out and win an argument, or make them respect you more or be attracted to you because you told them, "That's bullshit". Generally speaking you want to be …
/r/seduction06/04/20 06:21 PM
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Being a fuckboy is a state of mind and a self image. If you can mentally picture yourself as a fuckboy AND sell yourself to other people as being one, they will buy into it. I mean in a subtle way, not by telling people you're a FB or acting like a parody of a FB (see Steve Martin and Dan Aykroyd, two wild and crazy guys). Doesn't mean you will get laid more just because you have that image. To get laid you need to have a lot of attractive traits. Being accepted as a FB only means, women underst…
/r/seduction06/04/20 06:01 PM
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I know ... it's easy to bash PUAs that you're not sympathetic with. I've recommended guys watch some of my fave PUA coaches before and got responses like, "he seems kind of gay" or "I heard he never gets laid", whatever.
/r/seduction06/04/20 03:43 AM
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It's MM revised and updated by his students/coaching colleagues. AFAICT it covers all the basics invented by Mystery, adds a lot more techniques, and tries to integrate the ideas into natural game. I haven't read through it cover to cover but I thumb through it and search for topics sometimes.
/r/seduction06/04/20 03:36 AM
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I recommend reading several books, the more the better so you learn various philosophies. Even better than Mystery Method is Revelation by Venusian Arts which is the revised, updated and expanded version of MM. Out of print but worth searching for online.
/r/seduction06/04/20 03:28 AM
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Sounds like the friendzone. It helps to understand what the FZ is. It's a way that girls invented to deal with guys who show romantic or sexual interest in them, they're not interested in him, but because she is forced to see him frequently she is afraid to flat out tell him "no". So it happens usually in a social circle, classroom, or workplace. She doesn't want a guy hanging around her who acts needy, angry, sarcastic or whatever so she says "you're such a good friend" or "you are so sweet" wh…
/r/seduction06/04/20 03:08 AM
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Lol good job. Did you match cos you both wear Spock ears in your Tinder profile? 😂😂😂
/r/seduction06/04/20 02:49 AM
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My advice is, learn the subtleties by studying different types of game, but when you actually do game it should be simple and spontaneous. You may "know" every theory and technique of game but in the moment you should never be thinking, "Yes I know what to do!" The best single source which describes the most subtleties of game is probably the book "Revelation by Venusian Arts". It's the revised and updated version of the classic book The Mystery Method. Out of print and hard to find, but it exis…
/r/seduction06/04/20 02:42 AM
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I just watched part of a Todd V night game infield and I found him far too tense and his banter was too canned. He seems like a cocky college freshman with high functioning ADHD trying to prove that he can pull chicks to his lil nerdy freshman buddies. His voice is kinda high pitched and tense sounding and he seemed anxious to jump on everything the girl said and always have banter ready to throw back at her. If that's kinda like you and you're watching Todd thinking, "yeah that could be me" the…
/r/seduction06/04/20 02:10 AM
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Whoops, forgot. "Never text a girl except to set up a date." Lol
/r/seduction06/04/20 01:41 AM
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Study game and practice on lots of women. Nobody here can tell you how to get "that one girl" you've got a crush on. You can't get good at texting or interacting with women if you're only practicing on one chick. It's against this board's rules to bring oneitis questions here anyways ... for the good reason that it's a waste of your time. Caveat ... German chicks are notoriously resistant to common pickup techniques. They have a logical, robotic attitude and no sense of humor. They're not asexua…
/r/seduction04/04/20 06:23 PM
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1, gotta have more than one person you're texting so that you aren't stuck with the feeling that, if I can't get this one girl to warm up then dammit I'm officially desperate. 2, you can try sending something spunky and sassy to provoke an emotional response, that DOESN'T sound like you're cranky and butthurt about the dry texting. Like send a sassy text out of the blue, then apologize and say oops, that was for someone else, sorry. Such as pretending she's been sexting you or sending noods: "Da…
/r/seduction04/04/20 05:44 PM
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Ok at least you believe in clean clothes, that's a start. Next thing you should work on is your attitude. Women tend to dislike a guy who acts bitter and pessimistic. They like positive vibes. Good thing you found this reddit. If you hang around more and check out some of the recommended reading I know you're gonna benefit. I believe in you even if you think it's hopeless.
/r/seduction02/04/20 04:01 PM
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Very few rich men and celebrities have good game. If they don't have good game, they don't know how to relate to women very well. Although they nearly always have a hot wife (Gates, Bezos) I don't envy them much. Look at Paul McCartney the poor, dumb fuck. Being poor would suck. But if I had a choice between being comfortable financially and knowing game, or being uber wealthy and not knowing game, I would pick "game" every time. You get more women, who actually like you even if they're not runw…
/r/seduction02/04/20 01:46 AM
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Great guide, thanks.
/r/seduction02/04/20 01:25 AM
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You have a role model right there. Watch him and learn. Before you go out, visualize yourself being that cool, direct guy and try to feel how happy you will be when girls react well to you. Then go out and just do it, and say to hell with the consequences. You're lucky, many guys don't have a "natural" PUA friend they can watch and imitate. If you really can't be that bold guy it's not hopeless, but you'll have to put in work to develop your own style.
/r/seduction02/04/20 01:12 AM
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Clothes matter just as much in daygame as in night game. Body language is always important, but more so in night game than in day game because in a noisy club conversation is so difficult. The PUA coach Lance Mason said, "Loud music is a gift that club owners give to cool guys so they can show off their great body language." Mating is a physical instinct ... if you're good mating material you have to demonstrate it physically.
/r/seduction02/04/20 01:05 AM
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Your agenda is, "I'm happy to meet you," not, "I would be happy if you will have sex with me, if you won't then I don't want to waste time on you."
/r/seduction02/04/20 12:56 AM
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For getting better with women, "non specific" visualizations often work. For kino, don't visualize that you're touching her arm, then you're putting your arm around her shoulder, she likes it and then you start rubbing her leg and she starts kissing you. That will lead to rehearsed-feeling, awkward moves. Instead try imagining in a vague way, "I'm getting closer to her. I feel really comfortable and she's smiling at me. Now I'm touching her and it feels really good. She's touching me back and I …
/r/seduction02/04/20 12:50 AM
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Enjoy other people more, have more fun around them. People tend to mirror the emotions of the people around them. A happy person makes other people happy, a grumpy person makes them grumpy. Show trust, empathy, interest, appreciation. Don't pre-judge people's motives, give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you won't be an angel or a saint, but most people can improve in this area. One of the most attractive traits a man can show is emotional imperturbability meaning, being very slow to get an…
/r/seduction02/04/20 12:31 AM
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You gotta find your own based on your taste and style. Find several favorites so that you get a bit of diversity.
/r/seduction01/04/20 02:55 AM
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Often girls flat out tell you you're in the friendzone by literally using the word. I got texts before such as: "Thank you for being such a great friend." "Take care my friend" Generally speaking this happens because you were coming on too strong and looked too unattractive and needy, even a bit embarrassing to be around. Explicitly putting you in the friendzone is a girl's polite way of saying, "Back off you're creeping me out." It doesn't happen any more once you learn inner and outer game. Yo…
/r/seduction01/04/20 02:52 AM
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Be a lively, sociable person with other guys and girls, and with your guy equally. This will set a good example for him. Looking inward too much at your relationship with just one other person tends to get stale and suffocating.
/r/seduction01/04/20 02:44 AM
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For me, neediness was oneitis, i.e. getting obsessed with just one woman. Thinking about her every day. Daydreaming about how we would move in together and live happily ever after. I used to hug a pillow at night pretending it was her, and try to program my subconscious to dream about her at night. I wasn't against the idea of getting with other women. But looking back now I realize that I was acting pretty badly around other women, and making zero progress with my crush. I started studying game…
/r/seduction01/04/20 02:35 AM
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Yes! I think that is true. When I was in college I had 2 friends who were great natural pickup artists. One of them only was good with women when he was drunk. The rest of the time he was a cool guy, but he could never get anywhere with women when he was sober. So I think there is nothing to learn from him because depending on alcohol is a bad strategy. The other guy was really funny and flirtatious all the time with everybody. With guys and girls. I even saw him joke around with gay guys. I saw…
/r/seduction31/03/20 06:59 PM
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I don't think you should treat your family and friends differently from girls you want to date. The ratio of nice guy to bad boy (compliments to negs) has to do with your normal personality and the other person's personality. You don't become "Mr. Tease and Neg" suddenly because you're talking to a hot babe. If a girl is sweet and nice and she likes you, no need to knock her down a peg. Likewise, if your roommate tells you that your shoes look gay you can banter back at him and say, "OK ... if y…
/r/seduction31/03/20 05:54 PM
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I can barely understand what you typed but it sounds kind of negative and incel. Did you come here to learn how to get better with women, or just to tell other guys that they're worthless and have no chance to be happy?
/r/seduction31/03/20 05:42 PM
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Earn respect by acting like a guy that people admire and want to like them. Show other people the respect that you would like them to show you.
/r/seduction30/03/20 07:12 PM
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Feel it in your body first, then it will tend to rub off on the girl and the tension will build naturally. It will tend to be an up-and-down thing so let it build and diminish and build again on its own schedule. Intense eye contact helps build tension and attraction ... just don't overdo it. Mix it up by breaking eye contact and either smirking or pretending to be embarrassed, or with playful kino such as mussing her hair. The overall trend should be, both of you getting more and more comfortab…
/r/seduction30/03/20 07:09 PM
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Atta boy. Very inspirational. Really solid advice.
/r/seduction30/03/20 06:58 PM
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All women at times want to shag a guy who is muscular and handsome. It's a dream for them just like so many of us guys fantasize about getting with a fashion model with long legs, a skinny waist and perfect tits. But in the real world, hot women can be banged by a guy who might be a 7 on the Hollywood and male model scale, but who is charming and confident as hell. A guy who might be a bit short, thick and balding, but who has laser eye contact and acts like, "I'm the guy who's going to give you…
/r/seduction30/03/20 06:53 PM
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You can practice with random people as you propose, and even easier is to practice with your family, roommates, friends, classmates, co-workers etc. Flirting isn't always about DHV, being sexual and dominant, talking about possible future dates etc. Mostly it's about being pleasant, a little bit funny, being a good listener and appreciating other people. These basic things you can practice on your mother, sister, boss, and the waiter who brings you food. So with a hot babe 90% is your usual plea…
/r/seduction30/03/20 06:39 PM
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A bad attitude is the ugliest characteristic of all. It makes people's facial expression, posture, voice and other features extremely unattractive. Guys who are negative about their own looks and jealous/resentful of other guys' looks never get laid. Guys who are happy with what they have and happy for other people ... are popular with men and women and they get laid regularly.
/r/seduction30/03/20 04:43 PM
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It does it automatically! But only if you are "in your body" and "out of your head". Many people suck at getting out of their head because for various reasons they tend to be socially nervous and awkward. But deep down, we all have the ability to quiet down our nervous intellectual side, and allow our instinctive, physical side to become more dominant. The best way I know of to re-train to have a better head-body balance in social situations is to do meditation and affirmations when alone. And i…
/r/seduction30/03/20 04:33 PM
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There are a lot of things like heartbeat, breathing, posture changes, changes in pheromones (smell), dilation of capillaries (blushing). In practice it can be difficult to consciously pick up on these things. The way to "tune in" to another person's attraction is to get out of your head and get into your body. It's a trick you can learn, to quiet your nervous, intellectual thoughts and become more aware of your physical sensations. When you are in your body, you are feeling and thinking about ph…
/r/seduction30/03/20 12:52 AM
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Ok I understand about Models ... there are a couple of other books that you might find useful. Also fairly old school and both are aimed at beginners. The Natural by Richard La Ruina. A british guy who did mostly night game and social circle game. The Noble Art of Seduction by Kezia Noble. She was a female coach originally hired by La Ruina to help guys in his bootcamps learn to converse with women. Now she runs her own PUA company which hires many male coaches to teach daygame, nightgame, etc. …
/r/seduction29/03/20 11:50 PM
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I'm not gonna be a know-it-all and tell you what's wrong and how to fix your confidence. It's different for everyone. But I'll throw a couple of book recommendations at you. These books are very popular with guys who are trying to get better with women, i.e. get more dates and have more sex. The Game by Neil Strauss is interesting as a memoir of a guy who was short, ugly and couldn't get dates even though he was a journalist frequently hanging out with top rock bands. It's how he learned to dres…
/r/seduction29/03/20 06:03 PM
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There are dozens of other great coaches out there, many of whom learned from RSD, many of whom learned from other schools and coaches, many of whom are self taught. It isn't hard to find those guys and figure out which ones you like. RSD is just a brand name. If the Heinz company went away, would you be sitting around moaning about how there is no more ketchup?
/r/seduction29/03/20 05:48 PM
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You don't have to "talk" womanese, you mostly have to "listen" to it. Meaning learn how to be very attentive and silent when women are talking. When women talk to you and bring up legitimate thoughts or complaints, you can be sympathetic in a very simple way. For example by nodding, and maybe saying "Wow" or, "I know what you mean". When women talk to you about dumb things, which are none of your business (such as making unreasonable complaints about other people or just whining for no reason) y…
/r/seduction29/03/20 05:32 PM
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Sure, I suppose if you're 30 years old and haven't had a sexual relationship then technically you're non-normative, because you're in a small percentage of people. I don't think it's all that big of a deal. If you're in that position and unhappy about it, there are ways to change it. If you're a guy and you have no female friends, work on that. If you have friends but no dates, figure out how to make yourself more attractive i.e. "dating material". And so on. Learn how to be a fun date, and have…
/r/seduction29/03/20 05:20 PM
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Wow. The sticker shock on a lot of these materials is unbelievable. I can't imagine how guys make any money in the long run on these products. If they have anything actually useful to say, they should write a book and sell it for a normal price through normal channels. I have this old-school video course that I downloaded as a torrent (it hasn't been sold for years). I found it OK but it has horrendous production values and only about 10% of the videos were actually useful. By chance, I found an…
/r/seduction29/03/20 02:39 AM
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Training if you mean physical fitness is great but it's not a secret sauce for getting girls. For most guys, getting good with women (meaning getting more dates or getting girlfriends) requires a broader approach. We call it "learning game". The basic steps are, fixing your inner mental attitudes, improving your fitness, grooming and clothes, and getting more sociable and confident in dealing with women. Like, learning how to talk and flirt. You can work on all of these things in parallel. It ta…
/r/seduction29/03/20 02:14 AM
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Excellent post. Just wanna say, your posture often improves automatically when you build muscles, but sometimes it doesn't. Some strong, fit guys have weird posture such as they hold their arms at a weird angle or they're stooped. Sometimes it's because of the workout they're doing, sometimes it's because of their office posture, sometimes it's a learned posture and sometimes it's a combination. The best help you can get is a certified fitness therapist. They are trained to assess your posture a…
/r/seduction28/03/20 09:48 PM
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Yes it's a shit test. Women do it instinctively in order to find out if you're weak, immature or desperate. If you frown, act tongue-tied, walk away, argue with her or tell her she's rude ... then you failed. You can just smile at her and remind yourself, "I'm a cool guy. She's definitely into me. I don't care what other guy she's talking about, I'm cooler." If you really believe that then it doesn't matter what you say or even if you say nothing. For example ANY of these lines are OK if you are…
/r/seduction28/03/20 09:35 PM
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Try this: when you look at a picture of a hot, naked woman, look into her eyes. Hold her gaze and pretend that you just met her IRL. Try to answer the questions, Is she a nice person? What is her mood? Does she like me? Would we get along? It's a way of using porn in a more positive way. I don't mean explicit porn with gang bangs, facials and stuff, I mean pictures of beautiful, classy women such as at r/nsfwfashion and wtfuck.net. On instagram you should look at beautiful babes the same way. It…
/r/seduction28/03/20 09:24 PM
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AFAIK not much realistic, actionable advice or teaching is out there that is specifically aimed at women. I think that the best thing a woman can do is read books on dating and pickup that are aimed at men. Believe it or not, most of these books don't teach men to be creepy or manipulative. Most of them teach guys how to be more attractive inside and out. They emphasize things like fitness, grooming and clothes. Improving your self esteem. Getting better posture and learning how to be polite and…
/r/seduction28/03/20 09:14 PM
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Good advice. One caveat: There are plenty of good coaches and video demonstrations out there. No need to put down coaches for showing successful approaches ... do you think that pole vaulters learn by watching videos of guys falling on their face? PUA coaches frequently put up videos of blowouts and rejections. They teach guys how to handle rejections and girls who flake. They teach guys to make lots of approaches and help them break down the interaction so they can learn from it. So I don't thi…
/r/seduction28/03/20 08:50 PM
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Women are to some extent attracted to guys who are very smooth socially. It impresses them if he has a wide range of male and female acquaintances. In evolutionary terms think of a socially smooth guy who's trying to get with women in his tribe of hunter-gatherers. The socially smooth guy has friends who will tell him where he can find game and the best fishing spots. Friends will share food with him and help him in other ways. Women will want to be with a guy like that, with lots of social conn…
/r/seduction28/03/20 08:31 PM
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I think that the effort I have put in so far because I wanted to date more and get laid more, has actually paid off a lot already in terms of (a) better social relationships with my family and friends (b) more fun and relaxed interactions with casual acquaintances and strangers. I'm less tense and freaked out about meeting attractive women. I'm not obsessed any more with the oneitis crush I had who was the biggest reason for me to start studying game. I don't know what tips you read here on redd…
/r/seduction28/03/20 08:12 PM
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/r/seduction28/03/20 07:00 PM
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Yes, just be yourself. If you want to be a "yourself" who dates a lot of women, then it is necessary to be very comfortable with getting close to women and turning them on. In a subtle way. Not in a creepy way like Joe Biden, walking up behind a woman, leaning over and sticking your face in her hair. More like, when you see her you give her a quick hug and you lean in slightly so she can smell your aftershave and you get a whiff of her hair. You're smiling and joking with her, or saying somethin…
/r/seduction28/03/20 06:50 PM
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Just curious if he's the Daniel I'm thinking of ... was he based in San Fran and associated with Pickup 101?
/r/seduction27/03/20 05:15 PM
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Logistics are really important. The closer you live to where you meet women and take them for dates, the easier your dating life will be. There is a video (I think it's on youtube) by Adam Lyons aka AFC Adam where he discusses logistics at length. He discusses how he had an apartment 5 min walk from the clubs where he did game. When some of his clients complained that it was "too easy" for him he came up with techniques for getting a number then having day 2 dates at the girl's place. Just to sh…
/r/seduction27/03/20 05:10 PM
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What you"re describing is called daygame and there are lots of materials out there to help you get better at it. Such as books, youtube videos, courses you can buy and download, and live coaching (one on one and bootcamps). The most important skill is how cool and relaxed you are (how naturally attractive you can become). But there are certain skills and techniques of walking, approaching girls, starting and ending conversations and so on which are covered in the various teaching materials. To.g…
/r/seduction27/03/20 05:02 PM
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/r/seduction27/03/20 04:51 PM
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"But honestly I don't see the use in getting into a relationship when it doesn't amount to much other than experience" It's fun to have female friends to flirt with even if they're not your gf and it doesn't lead anywhere. You can touch them (hug them, touch their leg, put your arm around them) you can lean in and smell their hair, tell them they have nice shoes, and make sly jokes about sex, like hinting that you could have a threesome and then laughing to show that you're not creepy about it. …
/r/seduction27/03/20 04:47 PM
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You mean, which is bad because you want a steady girl for more than 2 months? That's cool too, and the same tactics work to keep your steady girl interested in you. It's a theory of mine that girls like to stick around a guy more, if he acts interesting, funny, teases, make sly sex jokes. When I had a steady, long term girl she seemed to like me even more when I started studying game ... playboy tactics if you wanna call it that ... and I started flirting more with her friends etc. Not being a d…
/r/seduction27/03/20 03:57 AM
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Try to come up with a bunch of your own! It's like improv practice. Don't worry if they're cringey, you will develop and refine your banter and shit test handling ability by trying things. Remember your frame: "She's into me and she's probably horny for her ex."
/r/seduction26/03/20 07:03 PM
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Pursuing "a girl" meaning one girl at a time is needy at any time, IMHO. If you can, establish a light connection with several girls and try to keep it going at an infrequent pace throughout the lockdown. And continue and expand it afterward. You need to try a lot of things with girls to get good at texting and it's impossible to make progress when you're only texting one girl at a time. You have to experiment with different stuff like teasing them, getting deep and meaningful, trying some sly s…
/r/seduction26/03/20 02:19 AM
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Ok I'm gonna try to spit out a few more responses just for practice. "Too bad! Why did we break up?" "Yeah and I want you to know I reeeallly miss you." "Yeah? That's weird cos you remind me of my kindergarten teacher." "I know, I know ... is it too soon?" "Yeah, hey I want my hoodie back." "Sorry ... it wasn't you, it's me" "Mmmmm make up sex!" (high five her) "I'll bet your Mom still misses me too" "What do you miss about him the most?" Lean forward and whisper in her ear really softly, "Is it…
/r/seduction26/03/20 01:27 AM
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"Which ex? The football player? Or the rock star?"
/r/seduction26/03/20 12:36 AM
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"So why do these articles push the whole manly man alpha issue so hard?" What does that mean? What specific behaviors are you talking about? You may be thinking about stereotypes that don't necessarily apply to what women consider to be masculine or alpha.
/r/seduction26/03/20 12:31 AM
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As a lily. If you must know. And it doesn't matter. FYI there are lots of non-Caucasian PUA coaches out there. If you don't believe they can attract girls of various "types" you should watch their infields. For example I believe the black guy at Engineered Lifestyle has had videos with Latina, Asian and white girls. I also frequently see PUA coaches videos featuring non-white students. They send them out after any girl they street as in, "go approach that one". And I don't see any bias against t…
/r/seduction25/03/20 08:18 PM
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Def not. Depending on your circumstances and your tastes however, ex's and "never was" girls can and should be in the harem of girls that you you keep in play as once and future prospects.
/r/seduction24/03/20 11:29 PM
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Lol, pretty good. You reminded me ... the bitter sow in my story had a boyfriend 20 years ago (he was the double of Dale Gribble from King of the Hill). They had a messy breakup and according to the lady who hosted the dinner party she never got over it.
/r/seduction24/03/20 11:23 PM
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I don't want to be a judgemental, fat-shaming person but I have to say that in my limited experience, women beyond a certain weight are irredeemable. I can be pleasant and charming with women up to around 200 lb and I get a normal, pleasant vibe back from them. I'm not trying to pick them up or anything but I can joke around with them and expect them not to react obnoxiously. But beyond 200 lb it seems that a woman's self esteem is so low, or maybe her hormones are so out of whack, that I can't …
/r/seduction24/03/20 09:29 PM
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I read the entire book. Interesting as literature but useless for learning game. The guy isn't a PUA, he apparently never seduced anyone except his current wife, and he only knows about Casanova and Errol Flynn from old sources, mostly 2nd hand. None of those historical seducers were "good with women", in the sense that you want to be. Casanova was a scumbag who lied to vulnerable girls to seduce them. Or as in this case: "In 1765, when he was 40, he purchased a 12-year-old girl in St. Petersbur…
/r/seduction24/03/20 09:01 PM
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Pretty good and pretty original advice. One good tip I heard is, if your accent is bad then play clips of someone with a good voice, pause after each phrase and imitate their accent. Such as a TV anchor or an audiobook narrator. Even some PUA coaches I know have lousy accents and not-great vocal tonality. They speak well but their vocal timbre could use work. A request: have any of you redditors got a favorite audiobook or favorite narrator whose voice you think is really good? Or TV personality…
/r/seduction24/03/20 08:40 PM
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Since I learned about game and got better with women I'm a lot less worried about "types" of women or about my own type. Women of various types and ages are attracted to me, from young blondes, nerdy girls, athletic girls, to Eurasian hotties, middle eastern, artistic women, milfs, whatever. And I am mutually attracted and less picky. I'm a lot more open to women as individual, beautiful people and they seem to react to me with mutual attraction in spite of me being not their "dream man". I thin…
/r/seduction24/03/20 08:24 PM
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I recommend his book, Rapid Escalation. Has some good ideas for everything from hand-holding to bathroom pulls.
/r/seduction24/03/20 07:45 PM
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May I suggest, also making a torrent. Some other old PUA video courses have been made to torrents in a cool way. There is a program called "SmallStuf" which rips the audio out of the video series and then you have an archive with like, 90% of the value of the video course (which are usually just talking heads) that is only a fraction of the size.
/r/seduction24/03/20 07:42 PM
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I don't know if it has to seem really spontaneous. In the movies sometimes a girl accuses a guy of having everything too prepared but in real life women also like a guy to be masterful and on top of things. If she asks you, "Do you bring a lot of girls here?" you could say something like: "Definitely not ... as far as you know." "No they usually bring me here." "Only really hot girls" "Yeah, but the guys who work here got so jealous that they asked me to stop." "No, usually I come here alone and…
/r/seduction24/03/20 07:33 PM
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Start learning and then begin practicing being sociable on your family, closest friends, roommates, classmates, co-workers etc. It's the only reasonable place to start. Very soon you will find that you can also be a fun guy with women you meet.
/r/seduction23/03/20 03:05 AM
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I worked on eye contact and listening skills. I also gave myself permission to be funny and to have fun, without being the class clown or a dancing monkey. I practiced this affirmation for a while, among others: I always have fun, and I share the fun with others. The reason why being a good listener helps is it allows you to relax your mind and really hear what is being said. Instead of rushing in to interrupt what people are saying, you wait until you have something amusing to add. Something th…
/r/seduction23/03/20 03:01 AM
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If you think you have Nice Guy syndrome try reading the book No More Mr Nice Guy by Robert Glover. If you have self esteem issues try The Six Pillars of Self Esteem.
/r/seduction23/03/20 02:54 AM
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For brief clips check out Hank Moody flirting and similar compilations. The key thing is his relaxed body language and direct, steady eye contact. Duchovny is much the same (with less smirking) in X Files. He steals every scene when he's with the girl. Some other actors are also very good at this, especially in almost any chick flick with A-list actors. If the movie is boring, fast forward to one-on-one scenes with the guy and girl. Don't get hung up on how handsome the guy is, look at how he ca…
/r/seduction22/03/20 09:51 PM
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Do research and scout locations in your city. Look for parks with connected paths, or office complexes which you can navigate by using shopping galleries, escalators, etc. On these "adventure routes" figure out where the cool places are to stop for tea, ice cream, wine or whatever. Find fun, safe alleyways you can sneak through. A stream you can cross by stepping stones (holding her hand), hidden waterfalls, and places where you can help her over a fence or carry her over a muddy patch. Have a s…
/r/seduction22/03/20 06:54 PM
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Exercise is great but it will get you few women if you don't also have excellent posture, good body language (eye contact, smile) and a good personality with at least minimum conversation skills (mostly being a good listener). Also you should have neat grooming, nice clothes and great hygeine with an attractive or at least neutral smell. I've had women touch my chest because they couldn't help themselves ... and until I learned game i.e. did all-round self improvement and not just muscular devel…
/r/seduction22/03/20 06:45 PM
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Your Types of Girls link didn't have HPD ... unless I'm blind or something.
/r/seduction22/03/20 06:34 PM
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Hand jobs go better if you wet her hand with your saliva. After you do it once, she will usually start using her own saliva.
/r/seduction20/03/20 03:13 PM
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The book has some good bits in it. The one I liked the most was where he points out that a guy learning game is good for women, because a PUA knows far more than an AFC about clothes, grooming, conversation, dealing with women emotionally and is a far better guy to be around. Interesting how he gets into vibing and being a journalist and author he slowly discovers celebrity game. The part about Tom Cruise is also interesting, I want to re-read that. Too bad he slowly slides back into oneitis moo…
/r/seduction20/03/20 03:09 PM
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Don't play along seriously with females' irrational, negative emotions. Break the feedback loop. Such as by staying stone faced (unemotional) like you're deaf, you didn't hear her or you absolutely DGAF. Primate groups such as chimps and humans tend to mirror each other's emotions. Beta individuals have this common behavior to try to influence the group and assume a fake leadership role by getting dramatic or acting needy. It's emotional manipulation a.k.a. attention getting behavior. A true alp…
/r/seduction20/03/20 02:53 PM
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"Yeah ... I identify as a lesbian. What are you two doing later?"
/r/seduction20/03/20 02:40 PM
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You sound pretty knowledgable, no doubt you're aware of this forum. I checked it out for a few days when I found it but I don't read it regularly. http://www.basenotes.net/forum.php I am going to do some more research here. Especially on this patchouli thing.
/r/seduction18/03/20 07:48 PM
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That's fine. I don't have a great sense of smell so I depend on women to help me choose scents. Because I had a great shaving cream based on sandalwood that was discontinued, I made my own shaving foam based on an internet recipe with sandalwood essential oil (hard to find). I got a woman who is an expert on aromatherapy to help me mix it, which required the addition of patchouli and ylang ylang. So my everday scent is this shaving foam finished off with an aftershave called Arber by Body Shop .…
/r/seduction18/03/20 03:42 AM
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This what I did, these may be applicable for you. 1) Meditate. I learned it years ago but stopped practicing. Started doing it again, "every so often". This helped me to be generally relaxed. 2) Daily affirmations. As described in Richard La Ruina's book The Natural. These can be fairly silly things like, "I am confident" and "Women think I'm sexy". Make up your own and repeat them every day until you feel more confident. I suppose it's a kind of self-hypnosis. 3) Practice eye contact (see pract…
/r/seduction17/03/20 03:20 AM
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Lol it's not like the only choices you have are, let her chase you or else send her dick pics. I'm pretty sure the guys who make posts here accusing PUAs of "manipulating girls into going to bed with you" haven't read any books on improving their dating life. Probably they heard a 3rd-hand summary of Mystery Method and then used their imagination to fill in the blanks. You should read The Game by Neil Strauss to get the background and then read Models by Mark Manson. If Mystery Method is "how to…
/r/seduction17/03/20 02:58 AM
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I realize now ... I was pretty terse and uncommunicative with my own family, roommates, best friends, etc. Let alone being pretty bad at talking to hot women. So I got better at talking to my family and other people close to me. It turned out the secret sauce wasn't learning better lines or conversation openers, it was learning how to listen to them more patiently and attentively. Talking to women seemed to improve magically after I got better at talking to ... i.e. listening to ... my homies. I…
/r/seduction17/03/20 02:39 AM
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Because everybody's body chemistry is different you should try out a scent and get a female you trust to judge if it smells good on you. Not all women will react the same way to the same scent on you. Some women hate a strong perfume smell on guys no matter nice it is. So you want to be subtle.
/r/seduction16/03/20 04:12 PM
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The question wasn't, "How do women feel about men who are out of shape, have bad haircuts and grooming, bad clothes and an angry facial expression compared to men who are fit, have decent haircuts, are well groomed, have nice clothes and a happy facial expression." When some asks, "How important is XYZ in attracting women", it isn't an invitation for you to point out how guys with a bad attitude who make ZERO effort are failures. We know. That's why we (the non incels) are here.
/r/seduction16/03/20 04:01 PM
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Creepy is when you care whether people want to know what you're being mysterious about, attractive is when you don't care if people want to know more about you. For example: you don't tell people what you do for a living because you're worried they will think you're a loser ... versus you don't tell them what you do because it doesn't matter and you don't give a fuck what they think.
/r/seduction16/03/20 03:36 PM
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I can't say for sure but your story reminds me of what I was like. If you feel like women are acting disgusted or annoyed with you, they are probably mirroring the vibe and emotions that you're giving them. When you get annoyed at them, you're making a feedback loop of bad emotions. What I had to do was become more happy "in the moment". Even when there are no hot women around ... for example when I'm with my family or with male friends. I have to remind myself to be happy when I'm with people, …
/r/seduction16/03/20 03:24 PM
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Yeah it's sort of true but the big picture is, women are attracted to guys who have a lot of dating options. Partly because it's social proof that other women want you, and partly because most women don't want to hang around with a guys who's emotionally needy. You can fake it by deliberately ignoring a girl but if deep down you're a needy guy who's desperate for female attention she's going to figure it out. Women have a radar or ESP for sniffing desperation. For example a girl turns a guy down…
/r/seduction15/03/20 03:24 AM
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I don't think wit and coming up with funny lines is the secret sauce to 10 game. It's nice but not necessary. You can be fascinating, mysterious and cool without being a wise-ass. Here is a paradox ... if you give yourself permission to NOT be funny, you'll be more relaxed and you probably WILL be more funny. But it's the fact that you're relaxed that makes you attractive, not your jokes. And women can tell if you're relaxed or not before you even open your mouth.
/r/seduction15/03/20 03:11 AM
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Loool did he want to win? Imagine waking up and seeing that blue jacket lying on the floor. I'd be hunting for my pants and shoes as quietly as possible. Just watched the first few seconds with no sound. Hamm has great hair (depending on your taste) and the IDGAF attitude is not bad either. Since those are all wannabe actors on the show I assume that they get a lot of coaching and direction, so they probably are told to "act" and they can't be totally IDGAF. Seriously look at that girl ... a PUA…
/r/seduction15/03/20 01:39 AM
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There are a ton out there. I'm not going to recommend any of them because I don't know any personally, just from their books and videos. Search for "PUA boot camp" or "daygame bootcamp" which will turn up their web sites, YT channels and facebook. Then check if they have videos where they are personally doing approaches, where they're with a student coaching him, or they're teaching a class. You will have to assess their style, believability and sincerity. Some of these guys will let you talk to…
/r/seduction14/03/20 09:40 PM
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IOD. But if you act like you totally don't give a shit where she sits, she might renew the conversation again. A shit test would be more like, she stays or moves physically close to you, but makes a skeptical or critical comment. Like, your shoes are old and scruffy and she says, "Nice shoes."
/r/seduction14/03/20 09:27 PM
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Some celebrities are naturally seductive, some have learned it from being coached, and some are terrible at interviews and talk shows. There is a video out there somewhere ... I think it's an old Richard La Ruina (Gambler) talk. He says, look at David Beckham interviews from when he first became famous. He looked and acted like a chode ... but then got coached and now he looks and sounds really smooth. Most top actors on major productions can look and act pretty cool on film. Partly due to train…
/r/seduction14/03/20 09:21 PM
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The question is, are guys that are so dumb you have to fling yourself at him worth having? I sometimes recommend girls who come to this sub to read books on pickup aimed at guys. Not so much to learn seduction techniques but so that they'll recognize cool guys when they see them. Among many other positive things, you don't have to draw them a picture when you're attracted to them.
/r/seduction14/03/20 09:06 PM
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I read the book and I think it's a waste of time. Too much flowery literary chat and zero real world, actionable advice. You won't learn anything about game from 3rd-hand historical accounts of the love life of Casanova and Errol Flynn. The great thing about books and videos made by professional PUA coaches is that these guys have been there, done that. Many of them have taught hundreds or even thousands of students. They've figured out how to help guys with everything from ADD to Tourette's. Th…
/r/seduction14/03/20 08:57 PM
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Absolutely. Sort by new. Filter what you read. Skip the posts with obviously dumb titles. Skim what you read and downvote dumb posts. Posts about "what about this one girl" are not supposed to be posted anyways. When you see a post that's relevant but you disagree, help people out by politely stating your opinion. Meta-criticisms of the sub aren't helpful. Yes there are lots of newbs and AFCs ... that's why the sub exists. Guys who get laid a lot don't feel the need to write Lay Reports. I enjoy…
/r/seduction14/03/20 08:42 PM
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Practice being a fun, attentive conversationalist with everyone you meet. Starting with your immediate and extended family, best friends, roommates, classmates, coworkers, waitresses, etc. If that's your normal mode, then you won't be anxious when you're talking to a hot babe, you'll literally "just be yourself" as the old dating cliché goes. My skills took a big jump after I started to listen to my family with strong eye contact, listen to everything they want to say ... I mean everything ... t…
/r/seduction14/03/20 08:25 PM
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Girls of any age tend to fall in with (believe) the frame of a guy ... but only if he holds the frame with 100% conviction. If you're approaching these older women with ANY niggling doubts about the age difference then you're toast. She will pick up on your doubts and echo them to herself. She'll start to think ... "my roommates will laugh at me", "he's probably immature" and make other excuses. If you're totally convinced, "this is cool we can really get it on together" and there isn't a shred …
/r/seduction14/03/20 08:07 PM
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Good breakdown. I would say that IOIs (or whatever you want to call them) can be treated in two ways. First method: The analytical "breakdown" method like in the post above can be used to watch people you're not actually gaming. For example, hang out at a bar and watch a guy and a girl who may or may not be on a date. Check out their body language and try to decide, is this a pickup in progress? Is it going well? Is it a date and she's into him? Is he merely a friendzoned orbiter that she's usin…
/r/seduction14/03/20 07:57 PM
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The reviews of this book are quite good. I don't know this guy, except he used to post some examples of text game here on reddit. I don't get paid for plugging this! Good luck https://www.amazon.com/Message-Game-Guide-Dating-Button-ebook/dp/B083TDR9TH/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=ice+white+text+game&qid=1584151503&sr=8-2#aw-udpv3-customer-reviews_feature_div
/r/seduction14/03/20 02:08 AM
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I don't know if these are the best sources, but I learned from Ice White's "Message Game Guide" when it was a free download on google docs. Latest version is called The Message Game and it's sold on amazon. I also read some of the free sample text game stuff on playingfire.com. I'm not into their latest thing (Sugar Daddy game lol) but I thought the normal Tinder/text game stuff was good. They also sell products and have a YT channel. For a while I watched all Leon White's text game stuff on the…
/r/seduction14/03/20 02:03 AM
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Ok, glad it worked out for you. Other guys are looking for multiple dating partners not for a girlfriend. To them, acquiescing in a friendzone thing is no big deal. Say something like, "No prob I'm friends with all the girls I date". Then add the girl to your list of lukewarm prospects whom you game at a low frequency in a low-key way. The definition of fuckbuddy is, "friend(zone) with benefits". No need to act all precious if you don't get what you want first time you see a girl.
/r/seduction13/03/20 04:56 PM
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Pffft figures. Last time I saw something "innovative" on here concerning online apps, it was some guy pushing a system or guide for using Sugar Daddy ... apparently the point was, "how to get sex from wannabe hoes without paying them."
/r/seduction13/03/20 04:47 PM
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There are some really good text game guides out there. Some are ebooks, some are videos either freebies on youtube or for sale. Go find them and study them. They have lots of examples based on real world interactions and the guys have tips for various situations. No one is gonna give you that knowledge on reddit, the best you'll get (maybe) is some funny replies to shit tests and that's only a tiny part of text game.
/r/seduction13/03/20 04:41 PM
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In my experience ... if you're not very good with women it doesn't matter how many are in your class. 20 women in creative writing will tag you as a chode instead of 3 women in your programming class. Get good with women by studying game and practice being cool/sociable with everyone, guys and girls. Women will tend to gravitate to a cool and fun guy and even if there are not many of them, you'll find yourself running into them and their girlfriends "accidentally". Getting invited for coffees, t…
/r/seduction13/03/20 04:35 PM
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You can't make them like you (much) by texting, but you can blow it and make them dislike you if you text really badly. Like too often, or if you come off as desperate or rude. Studying text game is worth the effort. You have to practice on a lot of women, like, several at a time. So you have to get out there, meet lots of women, get their numbers, and try things that are recommended in text game guides.
/r/seduction13/03/20 04:25 PM
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In your life in general you should work slowly in baby steps towards becoming more and more sociable. You don't have to be the life of the party. Practice with your family, friends, roommates, classmates etc. Things like making eye contact with them and listening attentively. Smile when you see them, and if they make a joke, and when you say goodbye. If other people are hugging, backslapping or handshaking, do the same. Remember, baby steps. You can practice eye contact with youtube videos and w…
/r/seduction13/03/20 04:16 PM
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Didn't watch the video but if you mean, guys should be unreactive to women's emotional ramblings and other signs of hysteria, then I agree. Not that you act like you're deaf whenever she talks, but if she's showing negative emotions in a way that is unreasonable or doesn't concern you, never mirror her emotional state. For example if she's crabby and cranky around you, be "stone faced". Never answer rhetorical questions and never complete her sentence when she deliberately trails off as if she e…
/r/seduction13/03/20 04:12 AM
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As a break from getting all chatty about how great she is, try smiling at her and say nothing, but think to yourself (as if you said it aloud) "Waddya talking about you're beautiful!" Or even, "Huh. I'd fuck you." You could try tilting your head to one side in a friendly, quizzical way. And/or just do a half-smile or smirk. Most important thing about dealing with people's negative emotions and comments is, NEVER mirror their emotional state. If their complaint is unreasonable, never agree OR arg…
/r/seduction12/03/20 11:45 PM
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Two or more guys in one store, if they were doing repeated approaches, sounds like a bit much to me. Even if they were doing innocuous, indirect approaches. I think the way cold approaches are supposed to be, in terms of role playing or the guy's frame, is that he doesn't usually do this, but he HAD to come over and say "hi". If someone such as the store manager (or a target girl) sees you doing it repeatedly that's breaking the bubble of believability. And on private property you're at risk of …
/r/seduction12/03/20 11:24 PM
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Yes you can combine seduction techniques. I got very little useful information from Art of Seduction. If you're finding it slow going and you're not enjoying it so far, I say toss it. Books and videos by actual PUA coaches are a lot more useful because they don't waste time on historical and literary B.S. Casanova and Errol Flynn might have been kickass in their day but they didn't have 1/10 of the game or the practical knowledge of women that a modern professional PUA coach has. Robert Greene i…
/r/seduction12/03/20 06:29 PM
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Too bad because for guys learning how to be better with women, watching infield videos is a valuable way of seeing real-life examples of how to talk to a girl. It's an important bridge between books and lectures and the real world. You can still learn from getting out there and experimenting until you get good at it ... but IMHO studying examples of smooth PUAs doing it will save a lot of time. And it's better for women if guys are approaching them who have some idea of what they're doing, as op…
/r/seduction12/03/20 04:04 PM
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Don't just wear brand name clothes, make sure the brand name is written really really BIG or else the effect will be lost. Kidding. Being rich and good looking with a big dick is fine but this sub is for everybody else. If there's any pussy left after you and your bro's finish slaying them.
/r/seduction11/03/20 09:40 PM
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Meta criticism of vague, unnamed people on the sub is completely unhelpful. Did you post the above to help people who want to improve their dating skills? It doesn't sound like it. If you actually want to help guys who come here for advice and you "work in psychiatry" as you claim and you have something to contribute ... then get involved answering questions, giving advice and helping to steer people to resources such as books and videos that you think are appropriate. You are free to criticize …
/r/seduction11/03/20 09:33 PM
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It's somewhat difficult to learn, but well worth the effort to be funny, sexual and entertaining by text. It's just another way of conversing, but with zero eye contact and body language, and extreme differences in tempo, grammar and emotions compared to IRL interactions. Try looking at playingfire.com, Ice White's "The Message Game" book, and some youtube videos and a product by Leon White at Engineered Lifestyle. I learned a lot from these sources. Bottom line is, you should be trying to devel…
/r/seduction11/03/20 06:06 PM
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Two books that are frequently recommended: She Comes First The Sex God Method
/r/seduction11/03/20 05:51 PM
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The biggest problem with Mystery Method is Mystery himself who looks cringey in every video I've ever seen of him. He has had personal issues as documented in The Game which to my mind, disqualify him as a role model. Practically every PUA coach has some knowledge of MM and they can discuss the concepts so there is still some value (maybe) in reading the book. Or better yet the revised and updated version of the book called Revelation by Venusian Arts. The revision was by Mystery's coaching coll…
/r/seduction11/03/20 05:44 PM
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Learning technical game methodically and logically is OK when you're beginning, but keep in mind that really successful game is free flowing and unlogical. Getting out of your head and going on instinct. So read books on game, try things out occasionally, but mostly when you're with other people (everyone not just with hot chicks) just go free wheeling by the seat of your pants and have fun. That structure you're describing wasn't designed on paper and then field tested by PUAs. It was written d…
/r/seduction11/03/20 05:01 PM
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You must have at least a handful of girls and preferably as many girls as possible, that you juggle or "manage" through texting, hangouts, social contacts, etc. When you do that you have the space and emotional distance to be able to figure out how to manage chicks who flake, ghost, send dry texts, and who eventually might come on strong. If you're mostly thinking about a single girl it's hard to figure what to do with her and you tend to either come on too strong and scare her away, or drop her…
/r/seduction11/03/20 04:46 PM
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I aim for free flowing, spontaneous conversation rather than trying to use a playbook. The goal as I see it is to get out of your head, get in your body and wing it from there. It's hard to go wrong when you're in that mode. You will probably find that push-pull happens naturally when required, vibing happens spontaneously, and stuff like logistical discussions seem to come up all their own when you both are feeling, "This is fun we should hang out some more." Probably the one logical or technic…
/r/seduction11/03/20 04:36 PM
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Here are some book recommendations I made previously. https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/dw2ihs/comment/f7gc7ha If you haven't already, I also recommend reading The Game by Neil Strauss mostly for historical background. Nearly every well known PUA coach is either in the book, studied with someone in the book, or with one of their students.
/r/seduction11/03/20 04:14 PM
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There was (as of maybe 4-5 months ago) a reddit post with a long list of books about PUA, inner game, self help, etc. The cool thing about it was, they actually held a vote for each book so you could see how many redditors had upvoted it. I don't know how long ago the list was made. I think it was possibly 2, 3 years old, maybe older. AFAIK this post was deleted and I really wish someone would repost it. I would have saved it myself but it never occurred to me anyone would delete something that …
/r/seduction10/03/20 11:40 PM
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Don't put too much faith in the IOIs. They can mislead. If however she is hanging around you and keeps talking to you as if she's serious about a date or romantic/sexual hangout, then take the bull by the horns. Say something like, "Hey you're a cool girl, you wanna grab a coffee (or drink) sometime?" Or refer to some mutual interest you discovered, such as a band, museum or a walk in the park. Say, "Give me your number, I'll text you later ... you have no obligation if you decide not to text me…
/r/seduction10/03/20 07:52 PM
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Good LR. Guys ... use a condom. My sister is a high school teacher, had a Japanese exchange student who got knocked up soon after arriving. Used it as a way to stay in the country. She had no job or career prospects so I imagine the guy was compelled to pay child support. My buddy with little kids hired a British nanny. Virtually the first night she arrived she hit the bars, got knocked up and quit as soon as she missed her period and got the test result. Another anchor baby, another guy "got lu…
/r/seduction10/03/20 05:31 PM
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Having a bunch of women on the go, as prospects, helps because when one shows disinterest, you're soon thinking about the next ones. Instead of beating yourself up you will find you can move on very quickly. Watching some PUA coaches on youtube, it seems one of their favorite tricks is to stack up 2 or 3 dates for a single evening. If there is a flake or they don't hit it off, they don't care because another babe is lined up for a couple hours later. If the date goes really well they write a gro…
/r/seduction08/03/20 03:32 AM
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A woman told me her older friend ... a 50 year old cougar ... told her she was hooking up with a 67 year old guy and it was the best sex of her life. Later on the I saw the guy's picture and I'll tell ya he was no prize even for a 67 yo. So yeah, there is hope. After hooking up a few times she made the mistake of going on a beach vacation with this guy and another married couple. In real life (not in bed) turns out the old boy had NO game, was a jerk who didn't know how to act around women at al…
/r/seduction08/03/20 03:21 AM
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If silences occur, enjoy them just as much as you enjoyed the banter that happened before you were alone with her. Fundamentally, you're happy to be with her, right? You can silently tell yourself things like, this feels good. I'm glad to be here with her. Your happiness doesn't have to show as banter and teasing, you can just show it with a happy expression on your face. The main thing is to feel the happiness and/or excitement in your body, own it and let it show ... in a discreet and calibrat…
/r/seduction08/03/20 03:11 AM
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Did you notice him before the girl started to try to pick him up? Was he trolling by making himself conspicuous ... for example standing or sitting in an exaggeratedly relaxed way to get attention? Taking up space? Looking at his phone in a fake way, or looking around the room to catch the eye of women? Smiling, smirking, or pouting? Was he dancing, talking animatedly with his friends, or quietly listening? Watching how naturals act in bars is good practice.
/r/seduction02/03/20 03:51 PM
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They can't be picked up by video. The way to recognize them when they happen between a man and woman is to feel them in your body. Even though you're not consciously aware, your body notices when a girl's pupils dilate, her heart rate increases, her skin tingles, and so on. There are even subtle changes in body smell that we use to unconsciously signal attraction. It's fun to read books on body language but what a guy has to do is learn to turn off the intellectual part of your brain and listen …
/r/seduction02/03/20 03:20 PM
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You think that women fuck "a face"? They don't. They fuck the man behind the face, or what they think is the man behind the face. Strong facial bone structure, lack of zits and thick hair are signs of genetic health and fitness. Of course they are plusses. Alone, those things don't make a guy a good mate. Consider a million years of human evolution ... even a fit man can't kill an elephant by himself, butcher it and carry it 20 miles back to the tribe. An alpha man has to be emotionally strong, …
/r/seduction02/03/20 02:55 PM
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Couple of tricks. When you're introduced to girls, remember their name. Say hi to them and use their name (all girls not just the hot ones, American or foreign) Ask them how they are. Or how's it going, how was your class, whatevee. The hard part: actually listen to them patiently and attentively, with steady, polite eye contact. Automatically this will set you apart in a good way from nearly every other guy. If listening to a girl you get nervous ... especially this happens when she's really be…
/r/seduction02/03/20 12:47 AM
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You said he looks like a twink which I gather means he looked gay. Some girls hit on guys they know are unavailable because it's a cheap thrill. A 29 yo girl hitting on an 18 yo for example. But we can't break this down if you didn't notice what went on beforehand. Was there a subtle interaction that you missed? The most sincere IOIs (indications of interest) are also the most discreet ... brief eye glances, non-obvious body placement or movements, pupil dilation, change in breathing rate and so…
/r/seduction02/03/20 12:14 AM
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Sounds like you're on the right path and you made a good move. I think patience and persistence will pay off. Look for small, noticeable improvements month by month. You're retraining your brain to make endorphins in a whole new way. It's easy and natural but the syapses or whatever it needs don't grow overnight.
/r/seduction01/03/20 11:48 PM
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You can't just become game-y all of a sudden with your crush. I suppose it's actually possible if you're also her crush and it's like in the movies, but it's a long shot. The best technique is to study game and gradually become a more flirtatious person i.e. become more believable as a guy who's good with women. Studying game means usually, improving your clothes and grooming, getting more fit, learning cooler body language, getting better at conversation skills, becoming more sociable with ever…
/r/seduction01/03/20 11:43 PM
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You have to be in your body and going on instinct aka autopilot. It's hard at first but there are physical exercises you can do to get into the habit of feeling your body and turning off the inner "head" dialog which tends to make you say the wrong thing. In the old school Pickup 101 video courses by Lance Mason he says, your body is like an infallible coach who is always with you. When he started in game he would hesitate over whether to make a joke on a date ... but he learned how to do a "gut…
/r/seduction01/03/20 11:05 PM
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Shit tests are a natural human behavior which females use in order to determine a man's emotional and intellectual maturity. She doesn't want to sleep with a guy, get pregnant, be dependent on they guy for food and protection, and THEN find out that he's an emotional baby with Mommy issues who falls apart like a hysterical girl whenever he thinks he's been slighted. So to save time, within 5 seconds of a guy who "acts" alpha trying to approach her in a bar she says, "Does your Mom cut your hair?…
/r/seduction27/02/20 03:55 PM
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Conventional is night game ... bars, dance clubs, festivals and parties where everyone expects men to approach women they don't know. Unconventional is usually called daygame meaning that it is considered somewhat surprising to approach a strange woman but it isn't completely unknown. Of course you can do daygame at night on the streets or in quiet bars. The third category is social circle game which means approaching women you meet in situations such as family introductions, groups of friends, …
/r/seduction27/02/20 03:43 PM
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You're wildly exaggerating the prevalence of rules and numbers in seduction advice. Even if that many hard rules were being thrown around ... and they're not ... it's up to you to read advice from a variety of sources, filter the advice through your common sense and experience and come up with your own style. If you want to save time, only read through this reddit once in a while, and find the most upvoted articles from the last week. It's a crude, but not too bad way to find some solid tips. If…
/r/seduction27/02/20 03:29 PM
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All the points in this are excellent, well done. Confident body language is the reason why, to a large extent, a guy's looks don't matter. Anyone who skipped over this article or downvoted it because of the grammar, go back and read it again. Summarize it in bullet points in a note on your phone. Re-read your notes every couple of days and look for ways to incorporate these behavors into your everyday life. With everyone you meet, not just with chicks.
/r/seduction27/02/20 03:14 PM
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I think stripper game is great. The more you treat the people inside like regular people, the better. I.e. don't try to be a cool cat, a big tipper, or a dabbler who leaves his human emotions at the door. I don't bother throwing money around or getting private dances. I don't leer at the girls on stage. Yet the last time I was there a cute girl wearing just an open kimono came up to chat with me in between dances and gave me a hug and a kiss ... like a casual female friend ... when I left. Strip…
/r/seduction25/02/20 01:23 AM
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Instead of making myself approach, I spent a while trying to fix how I interacted with the people that I already meet every day. Such as my family, roommates, close friends that I would meet for coffee, etc. This is totally non-anxiety causing. All I did was try to look them straight in the eye when they were talking to me, tell myself "slow down", hear them out and let them finish what they're saying, and pause and think longer before trying to answer or give an opinion. Often I decided to say …
/r/seduction23/02/20 08:18 PM
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You'll know when women say things to you off the cuff which make you go, "whoa". Or they text you out of the blue or they kino you. Be patient, keep.working on yourself and it will happen.
/r/seduction23/02/20 06:27 PM
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The natural seducers that I knew and observed at first hand weren't completely natural. Looking back on my conversations with them, they were very observant and they liked to talk about the seduction techniques they tried and that they saw other guys doing. Especially date etiquette, dance floor game, make out strategies and overcoming LMR. Yes, you want to LOOK natural ... but it's ok to use logic and brains to get to the point where you can be easy and natural with women. Imagine you're a pole…
/r/seduction23/02/20 06:20 PM
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Don't look at your life as only having one year left here, then so many years there, as if there are windows which open and close. View your life as a continuous progression or "one damn thing after another". There will always be women around you, and you can always cultivate friends and contacts. The trick is to make it a habit to find connections. A hyperactive dedication to "getting out there" isn't necessary (such as joining lots of clubs, taking extra classes or whatever) in my opinion. If …
/r/seduction23/02/20 06:12 PM
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I'm gonna throw something out there, take it with a grain of salt. Some PUA coaches recommend studying Method Acting, as a way of finding a role or personality and then teaching yourself to adopt this role and live it with ease ... in a way that other people find charismatic and attractive. I don't think it's necessary to actually take acting classes but it could be a good thing. Myself, I made up a role for myself as "fuckboy with a generous streak and a deep, hidden sense of humor". I didn't s…
/r/seduction22/02/20 03:54 PM
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A neg is a lie if you really are desperate for her. One of the essential elements of getting better with women is to become less desperate and needy for female attention. Don't be fooled by the superficial meanings of words used in this industry, hobby, or whatever you want to call it. What we call "game" is almost entirely about male self improvement which leads to becoming more attractive to the opposite sex. If you haven't read them yet, read The Game by Neil Strauss followed by Models by Mar…
/r/seduction21/02/20 08:56 PM
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Between yoga, dancing, classroom I'm sure it'll work out. I did 2 degrees one in dorm another one living off campus. Not that I proved how to do it or anything but looking back I realized it was like social circle game where I could have patiently developed connections and would have got invited to a lot more things if I had been more sociable and chill. In a quiet way not by trying to be hyperactive socially.
/r/seduction20/02/20 09:58 PM
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Search the internet for: banter lines, pickup lines, push-pull lines, flirty lines. There are collections of stuff out there. The lines are not special or magical in any way but by reading them, imagining yourself using them and thinking about how they work (in the context of meeting, flirting, dating) you can learn a lot. What roles do the lines presume? How are they a pull (compliment) and how do they push? (put down, tease). Are they self deprecatory or DHV?
/r/seduction19/02/20 10:40 PM
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Looking back on my college days, I always managed to hang around with lots of male classmates and male buddies but most of us never tried to meet girls, interact with girls or date them. What I regret is not trying to socialize more with the girls that I did meet. Depending on the activity, there might be either a small or large number of girls around ... but there were always girls. Cultivating more guy friends wouldn't have led to meeting more women because I was mostly ignoring the ones I alr…
/r/seduction19/02/20 07:11 PM
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Lots of PUAs start out scrambling to learn night game and end up as "promoters". They learn how to open sets of girls lining up at clubs, organize them and show up at the door pretending they brought them. One British PUA coach was bragging in his "how to" course about how he had to ruthlessly tell the ugly chicks in a group to get lost otherwise the club owner wouldn't pay him and provide free bottles at his table.
/r/seduction19/02/20 02:41 PM
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If she goes there it's probably because she's into you not because the group hangout sounded so fascinating. And chicks frequently don't want to tell their gfs they have a date so they go along with the story that it's kids from class or from a club hanging out.
/r/seduction19/02/20 01:56 PM
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Listening to people a lot more attentively and NOT trying to come up a funny line worked for me. Resisting the urge to interrupt them. Paradoxically this gives your brain and subconscious the space and calmness to absorb what they're saying, make connections, and actually think of something warm and funny to say. The result is I make fewer, better wisecracks and frankly, many times it isn't necessary because I can convey humor and appreciation to them with subtle body language such as a smile, a…
/r/seduction19/02/20 02:08 AM
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I use all the terminology which is mostly politically incorrect sounding. But what we are really doing is learning and teaching other guys to get better with women. In the very broadest sense of getting along better with ALL women from your mom, sisters, aunts, classmates, co-workers, waitresses, girlfriends, fuckbuddies, wives ... the whole gamut. One of the best passages in The Game is where he says: learning game benefits women just as much as men, because they the benefit of having men in th…
/r/seduction19/02/20 02:02 AM
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I'm groping my way just like most guys. I decided that using question marks is generally bad, but not an ironclad rule. You know what an up talker is ... using ?'s is being a text up-talker. Emojis have their place and you csn even spark a girl who is a really dry texter to use them sometimes, if you use them well (appropriate and funny in the context). Like dropping an innuendo text followed by see-no-evil 🙈 or 🙊 If setting up a one-on-one hangout is pushing it, a generic sounding invitation to…
/r/seduction19/02/20 01:13 AM
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I try to think of a non-sequitur to send them. Something that is not a question, has no obvious response and is as non-needy sounding as possible. Such as "Hey trouble". No punctuation or followup. Maybe stuff like ... "Happy Tuesday". "How's my girl" no question mark. Often you'll get a response from her (sometimes after 1 or 2 days) such as "Oh hi how are you?" or "Sorry for not getting back to you sooner!" Patience and non-neediness on your part is critical. The only way you can convey to her…
/r/seduction18/02/20 02:04 AM
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One of the old Lance Mason Pickup 101 video courses ... I forget which one ... has excellent demonstrations of creepy vs non creepy kino. He hired a group of girls, demonstrates good and bad touching in a pseudo night club setting, and gets them to provide feedback. If he does it in a creepy way they would go, "Ewww that didn't feel good". When he does it right, he literally has to tell the girl, "Don't kiss me!" because she's reacting so well. You can find these courses as torrents. Highly reco…
/r/seduction17/02/20 06:57 PM
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I learned from trying a no carb diet for a few weeks that I was completely dependent to get periodic endorphin highs, on that little sugar rush you get from eating a cookie, bread, crackers, chips and whatnot. I thought about it and concluded that what I was missing was I had got out of the habit of getting endorphin highs from interacting with other people. Stuff like talking, joking, laughing, hugs and so on. Meeting attractive women and getting a little "high" from the interaction is obviousl…
/r/seduction17/02/20 06:48 PM
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I think you should never expect a response. It's a recipe for frustration. Even the women who are usually the most prompt and warm responders to texts often give dry responses or ghost for a week or more at a time. You gotta make the most of IRL interactions, find fun ideas for stuff to do, and sell yourself as best you can by being an interesting, fun but absolutely non-demanding and non-needy text buddy. This obviously works over time on a large scale with a wide network of women, but totally …
/r/seduction17/02/20 06:40 PM
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It's a big job so be patient with yourself. The book Rapid Escalation by Liam Mcrae is pretty good. There is also a huge compilation out there called "Encyclopaedia of Kino" where a guy summarizes many PUA books and courses with tons of ideas and techniques. Hard to find online ... wish it was a torrent.
/r/seduction17/02/20 05:39 PM
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There's a really good youtube lecture by Jonathan Manwhore about emotional unreactiveness. From an old 21 Convention meeting. The main part is a story about how he defused a situation where his drunk friend was being arrested by a crazy, enraged cop. By being 100% stone faced and unemotional the cop finally switched off the emotional hysteria. He did it because Jonathan was giving him nothing, zero ... in terms of mirroring the cop's emotional state. I highly recommend this way of reacting to an…
/r/seduction17/02/20 05:33 PM
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Just be patient and persist. I have lots of down days where I don't hang out with people much, or I'm too apathetic to turn on the charm. So I try to remind myself every so often, "Hey you're on a mission here, get that mojo going next time." Whatever you do, don't beat yourself up! Daily affirmations sound silly but it's a simple kind of self hypnosis that IMHO works. See the book The Natural by Richard La Ruina. At first I wrote down some affirmations on my computer and re-read them every so o…
/r/seduction17/02/20 05:18 PM
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Romantic, lifelong, monogamous relationships are not fake, they really exist as per your examples. Many people are quite happy to live that way. As I said however, they are presented to us by religious authorities, the traditional legal framework and by media as if this is the only normal, ethical way to have relationships. You can embrace the romantic, traditional role of a lifelong monogamous relationship but you should also acknowledge that other patterns, such as serial monogamy and polygamy…
/r/seduction16/02/20 08:18 PM
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You live at the center of a sort of social "solar system" orbited by people who are very close to you (family, roommates, best friends), medium close (classmates, co-workers) and so on. In the distance are possible dating partners whom you haven't even met. If you aren't very good at relating to your close and medium social circles then your chance of successfully engaging the distant prospects is close to zero. There are too many guys who let their close relationships slide and then announce, "…
/r/seduction16/02/20 05:19 PM
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This is why banter, vibing, job-interview questions and logistical inquiries are part of normal interactions in game. They help to protect men and women from unsuitable partners such as drunks, deadbeats and psychos. To give only one example: negging and shit tests exist so that we can find out if the other person is emotionally calm and chill, or if they have a fragile ego and are likely to go off like a bomb at any perceived criticism.
/r/seduction16/02/20 05:05 PM
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Try the book "Rapid Escalation" by Liam Mcrae. Lots of anecdotes and suggestions. A solid read.
/r/seduction16/02/20 04:58 PM
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Yes, old-fashioned monogamous relationships are the worldwide historical norm. But compared to other options, monogamy is artificially exaggerated and over-promoted by religion, govt authorities (through the legal code) and media. Hence, the constant barrage of "she's the love of my life" love stories with happy, monogamous endings. Lurking underneath this historical and cultural monogamous "norm" is a deep seated, instinctive propensity toward polygamy in both men and women. To me, a big part o…
/r/seduction16/02/20 04:48 PM
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Are you successful on Tinder in Western countries with white women? Aside from being tall and white are you well dressed, cultured and intelligent looking? Have you tried to integrate into local Asian culture, workplace, social scene? And does this effort show in your profile?
/r/seduction16/02/20 04:36 PM
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Yeah I get your point alright. It actually aligns with what this girl told me. She said the males she meets ... such as the guys in her office and the guys who approach her and her friends at night clubs ... are really bitter about their dating lives ... for the reasons you stated. It seems like when young women want to get laid, they just have to swipe with a hot looking guy on Tinder and, wham-bam. In between, they might have a fuck buddy usually an ex BF, whom they go to for cuddles every cou…
/r/seduction16/02/20 04:26 PM
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Doesn't look really promising but don't sweat it text game is hard. Get a wide circle of girls to practice text gaming on. It will never be a geat way to spark girls interest compared to talking to them IRL but you will get better over time.
/r/seduction16/02/20 02:19 AM
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"Hey ... you busy? Kidding!" This conveys that (a) you're interested and (b) you're calibrated. If she's actually into you she will suggest something.
/r/seduction16/02/20 01:29 AM
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A hot 20-something girl told me, her and her friends use Tinder only to look for for hot looking, fit guys with muscles and 6 packs. They don't like dating guys from work because of professional issues and slut shaming from female co-workers, and at the bar they are hit on endlessly by beta males with bad clothes, bad grooming and bad manners. And mostly not very fit. So they use Tinder looking for casual or short term hookups with hot guys. There is no way they are going to waste time matching …
/r/seduction16/02/20 01:25 AM
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One thing that is seldom recommended in PUA materials but that I highly recommend: practice conversational skills including banter (joking) and gentle flirting type comments with everyone you meet, every day. Flirting is not talking nonstop about dating, romance, sex. It is sometimes but most of the time it's just being chill, friendly, and listening to people in a warm and attentive way. I was guilty of this: going around most of the time being taciturn and maybe a bit negative and sarcastic wi…
/r/seduction16/02/20 01:16 AM
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Book recommendation: The Six Pillars of Self Esteem
/r/seduction15/02/20 08:50 PM
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Chill out, you're not at war. I got a lot better and stopped being a big loser with women when I dialed back the game tactics, read a couple books on inner game, re-watched a couple of PUA vids on emotional state and then concentrated for a while on becoming better at socializing with everyday people. Like my family (immediate and extended), closest friends and associates, my social circle. With social skills and getting better with women, "man up" for most guys doesn't mean the same thing as it…
/r/seduction15/02/20 08:47 PM
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You may enjoy reading the book The Rational Male. It makes a pretty good case for male polygamy (in both attitude and behavior). In my opinion, reading between the lines of the book it convinced me that the average woman is also much more instinctively polygamous than is generally believed. I don't talk about polygamy or brag about it but I don't try to hide my fuck boy frame and attitude either. Humans are instinctively polygamous but we are also instinctively discreet.
/r/seduction15/02/20 07:27 PM
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TLDR. Learn game aka "pickup" and chase lots of women. Trying to seduce or date one woman at a time ... a oneitis crush ... is frustrating and dumb. I learned this the hard way.
/r/seduction15/02/20 07:12 PM
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r/dating
/r/seduction15/02/20 07:09 PM
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It's hard. It can be done but if you have oneitis the odds are bad. The techniques that tend to work will pay off when you're texting a lot of women. Some of them can sometimes be sparked and the interest might be bumped up a notch. There are helpful guides out there. Search for "text game", "message game", "Tinder game" etc. It goes to show IMHO how much of attraction and mating behavior is triggered by visual cues and IRL communication such as voice, eye contact, body language, smell and other…
/r/seduction15/02/20 07:07 PM
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Really excellent. There's a lot of insight in there you can unpack. I know that there is such a thing as objectively handsome (movie star) looks but I doubt if your buddy's bone structure, hair etc are all that stellar compared to yours. Body language and eye contact are really huge. There is a great interaction described in one of Leil Lowndes' pickup books where she almost falls in love with a semi-retarded, deaf handyman because his eye contact is so intense (from lip reading). I'm an older, …
/r/seduction15/02/20 03:48 PM
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The point of PUA isn't for 5'2" ugly ethnic guys to pull 6' Russian fashion models. It's great for them if they do ... if it's fun for all concerned ... but if you think that's what this industry is about you haven't been paying attention. It's about any guy who's not happy with his dating life or sex life, to learn ways to get better with women. Compared to his previous success, not compared to some guy on youtube who pulls tall hot chicks in Vegas. Guys who want to improve themselves and have …
/r/seduction15/02/20 03:21 PM
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How much Yad gets laid is moot. I think his style has certain aspects that are worth studying. A lot of casual charm and and easy flowing mix of compliments, assumption stacking and teasing. I like his frame: "I'm a beautiful man giving a girl a beautiful moment." Soo ... you study your natural PUA buddy's style pretty closely, right? What is his secret sauce? His frame, his body language, his wit ... what? We don't need him to post infields if you break it down for us. I've broken down my natur…
/r/seduction15/02/20 03:11 PM
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I have never been impressed with ToddV. His video presentations and and his vibe are a bit tense and un-chill IMHO. He's very popular (apparently) so I think he just has a different style than I want to have. You're correct that infields have a surprisingly weak correlation to the material as taught in books and certain video courses. The infields that look successful to me (that I believe are real and that I want to emulate) are very low key and usually, "un-gamey". A typical daygame infield th…
/r/seduction15/02/20 03:02 PM
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Accidentally found a torrent for the audiobook of Models when I was randomly looking for audiobooks on other subjects. I might have ignored it, except I was at the time struggling with a multi-year, oneitis crush. Hoping to learn tricks to get with this woman I next found an audiobook of The Game which gave me the history of the field and motivation to continue learning and to broaden out from chasing just this one girl. Since then I consumed many other audiobooks, ebooks, videos and courses on …
/r/seduction13/02/20 03:41 PM
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Tinder was explained to me by a mid-20s professional gal, quite attractive with a lot of attractive friends. They use Tinder strictly to find men for casual sex. Meaning usually (if they like the guy enough) a short term fuck buddy arrangement. In the short term they want to fuck guys that are tall, handsome and fit. So the better looking girls are only looking for hot guys with 6 pack abs on Tinder. They have no plan of finding a husband and boyfriend therefore your game skills such as charm, w…
/r/seduction13/02/20 12:56 PM
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I did it in fits and starts. Not making a plan and trying to take steps every day but whenever I remembered and/or was in the mood, trying to apply one or more of the above steps. I won't say that I made extremely rapid progress. But the overall progress has been amazing (to me). Two more things that help meditation which helps promote mental quiet and calmness. The more you meditate, the more profound the change. Although people who meditate too much, ie wannabe gurus, get too chill to do game.…
/r/seduction13/02/20 12:33 PM
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No one tried to shame me. The one buddy I told about it is still friendly to me, but treats me like I'm a little bit nuts. I think he envies me but frankly, he's more in love with eating, drinking and watching TV than getting better with women. Everyone else I know is fully aware that I'm a very different and better person than I was a few years ago. They're not baffled or confused at all, they just think I'm a cooler guy who's more fun to be around. If I share insights with them about how to ge…
/r/seduction13/02/20 01:54 AM
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He says you should dress and groom well, improve your fitness and health, have an interesting and fulfilling life, and share yourself in a sincere way with the people you would like to spend time with such as attractive women.
/r/seduction12/02/20 11:04 PM
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You need to possibly work on self image and self esteem issues. Then work on being sociable, fun and friendly with people. With everyone not just hot babes that you want to date. Starting with your family, best friends, roommates, classmates, co-workers, etc. There are plenty of resources and reading materials that can get you started. Find them, read them, do the exercises they prescribe and you'll make good, steady progress.
/r/seduction12/02/20 10:59 PM
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Excellent keep up the good work. I believe in you.
/r/seduction12/02/20 10:08 PM
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It's not obsolete at all. However you have to add text game to your repertoire no matter who you are. You also have to get good at using Tinder if that's your thing. I don't know of any comprehensive guide that covers every aspect of game and I wouldn't recommend depending on just one guide even if it did claim to exist. You should use a variety of pickup books, websites, and video guides such as lectures and infields, then develop your own style.
/r/seduction12/02/20 10:02 PM
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Be a good conversationalist. Introduce yourself. Tell us about your product and why we should click on your link.
/r/seduction12/02/20 09:55 PM
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Stop whining for Chrissake. Read The Six Pillars of Self Esteem, then google online for similar books, and read them. Most guys will never be like superstud star with girls, not even the ones that are 5'11 with lots of hair. But every guy can become more happy and better with women compared to his previous results. If he puts some effort in.
/r/seduction12/02/20 07:08 PM
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Change your reddit handle it's got negativity built in.
/r/seduction12/02/20 04:38 PM
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When you work on vibe a lot and project a certain kind of sexual energy, women sometimes pick up on it and THEY get direct. Master the art of getting out of your head and getting in your body, feeling sexual energy at an instinctive level. Allow it to show and project from you. In a civilized, subtle way not like a gorilla in heat. But where women somehow know from the very subtle body language you project, that you're hot for them. It doesn't happen every day to me, but when I'm "on" a woman wi…
/r/seduction12/02/20 04:35 PM
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"Ive gotten the impression that she thinks she’s way out of my league." Study frame (in the psychological sense as taught by PUAs). Win the frame battle and you're in.
/r/seduction12/02/20 04:29 PM
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There is a psych theory that women tend to break down into these categories: Neurotic (insecure) Psychotic (crazy) Extroverted (vivacious) For dating purposes, chicks assign men to these categories: 1) Nice Guy (preferred by Neurotic women) 2) Bad Boy (preferred by Psychotic women) 3) Leader (preferred by Extroverted women) 4).Provider Providers are NOBODY'S first choice. But they are EVERYBODY'S second choice. So when women get tired of wimpy nice guys, wild, unpredictable bad boys and a hypera…
/r/seduction12/02/20 04:24 PM
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You have to work on Inner Game i.e. learn to value yourself more. There billions of books on this ... one really old school book that helped me a lot is The Six Pillars of Self Esteem. I recommend looking around and googling for more websites and books. Be persistent! Don't worry about labeling yourself, your basically just a regular guy. I'm a bald guy who was bad with chicks, made them feel creepy, was negative and sarcastic, people thought I was an asshole. I'm so much happier now after readi…
/r/seduction12/02/20 04:03 PM
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Really good lectures on masculine energy are by Jonathan Manwhore, a PUA coach in a couple of talks he gave a few years ago at 21 Conventions (on youtube). I learned a lot from his stories about how to handle toxic situations where people are giving you emotional grief. His examples are more extreme, dealing with cops.etc. but the real-world everyday case is dealing with women's emotional outbursts. Basically, you deal with the facts of the case if necessary such as by quietly saying, "It's ok m…
/r/seduction12/02/20 03:54 PM
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I appreciate your insights. I see a connection now between sports obsession and oneitis. When I had a crush for a few years I acted very passive. Mostly I was daydreaming and fantasizing about doing cringey things like secretly sending her flowers, and baking her a cupcake on the anniversary date of when we met. I only snapped out of it when I accidentally discovered "Models" when I was randomly looking for audiobooks on bittorrent. And of course "taking action" is one of the big themes.
/r/seduction12/02/20 03:31 PM
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I was happy when I first heard about Asbergers as an adult and diagnosed myself. I thought, finally I can figure out how to be happier and more sociable. Since learning game however (aka studying how to get better with women), I decided that the diagnosis is worthless. The sooner you stop worrying about this so called syndrome the better. Especially since you say it's mild. The way to get better with women and become a happier, more sociable person is to read up on PUA and dating advice, while a…
/r/seduction12/02/20 03:25 AM
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/r/seduction12/02/20 12:38 AM
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/r/seduction12/02/20 12:32 AM
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Even after reading several books on pickup, I didnt start to become charismatic or cool with people until I read a couple of self help books (inner game) and then started to practice being more sociable with the people I meet every day such as family and close friends. "More sociable" for me meant the following: getting out of my head and in my body meaning, instead of getting into a spin cycle of conversational ideas and strategies, trying to feel my body (eg. contentrate on physical sensations…
/r/seduction12/02/20 12:26 AM
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Unless you're in a committed relationship I think that gifts are not helpful or appropriate. Getting with girls is a low-level, instinctive human (or primate) behavior and Valentine's day is a weird, society-imposed tradition that's more like a guilt trip than a mating ritual. And speaking of human instincts ... you'll be a lot more successful and happy if you pursue lots of girls than if you obsessively pursue one crush at a time. I learned this the hard way ... listen and learn.
/r/seduction12/02/20 12:09 AM
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RooshV is a very hairy guy, in one of his books (maybe Bang) I think he has some advice. If that's what you mean. I'm not a hairy guy but best moves I made while learning game were: Get rid of my scraggly beard and shave very closely with a nice-smelling shaving foam (homemade with girl-approved, sexy smelling essential oils) and finishing off with a clean-smelling, girl-approved aftershave cream (called Arber) Shave my balding head with a barber style electric razor with NO guard (shortest sett…
/r/seduction12/02/20 12:01 AM
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There is a lot of advice out there. Search for "text game" "texting game" and "messaging game". Also "Tinder game" since lots of texting is involved. Some ebooks, websites and youtubes are out there and some of them are quite good. Search on this reddit too because the same question comes up like 5 times per day.
/r/seduction11/02/20 11:42 PM
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When you see her in the hallway again, just smile and nod like, she's already your friend. Don't chase her. Treat her like your friendship is already a done deal. If she decides she likes you she will gravitate to you sooner or later. Don't get hung up on this one girl. Be the same friendly person with everyone you meet and would like to hang out with, girls and guys.
/r/seduction11/02/20 11:29 PM
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"Knowing how" implies being in your head which tends to come off as being awkward. Better to hold to an inner frame such as, "She's into me but I'm not sure if she's right for me." If deep inside you that frame is strong: attraction plus skepticism ... then try to feel your body and vibe with her on an instinctive level. When you do that, the push-pull lines come out spontaneously and will feel more genuine.
/r/seduction11/02/20 11:25 PM
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Miming that she should get off the phone: "You gonna eat the rest of that?" Then smile, sit down and introduce yourself.
/r/seduction11/02/20 11:17 PM
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This will be a medium to long term project. Work on your sociability, conversation and flirtatiousness step by step. Read people's advice, try stuff, make notes, repeat. Guys can give you specific advice but you won't necessarily be able to use it right away, until you've internalized it. If you're feeling fear in the moment you need to be more confident that she is actually glad to be talking to you, and be happy inside yourself that she feels that way. One way to develop this confidence in bab…
/r/seduction11/02/20 06:21 PM
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Generally speaking, guys tend to think that their own country and culture are difficult, other countries are easier. Perhaps you should try in another country, one with a good reputation for game such as Poland or Finland. Then at home you may start to find commonalities with your local girls and have more success. Or go to the big cities and try tourist game. Such as hanging out in and near the popular hostels. EDIT the only countries I've heard somewhat consistent bad reports from are: Germany…
/r/seduction11/02/20 05:57 PM
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From the point of view that other people change the way they react to you, and you change how you react to them, yes. It's a matter of changing some of your beliefs, attitudes and mental habits. When your mental state changes ... for example to become relaxed, less nervous ... you act differently and people react differently in turn.
/r/seduction11/02/20 04:01 PM
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Do you think that watching sports tends to make men passive, boring and unappealing? I've never been into watching sports bigtime, and my friends who are huge sports fans seem to me to be nerds that live in a fantasy world. Women who watch sports are intriguing to me. One chick I know is a fanatic for the NBA and reading between the lines, I have an impression that it's fap material for her. Possibly also a time waster for her because she doesn't seem to have a big dating life.
/r/seduction11/02/20 03:56 PM
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Many of the learning materials you see guys recommending here are out of print, but if you search for author or title on torrent sites they will show up. That's how I found the revised and updated version of Mystery Method which has the title "Revelation by Venusian Arts". Probably the same if you search for RSD. Try searching for Pickup 101 video courses featuring Lance Mason. They are really old school with lame, VHS style production values. But Lance covers a lot of basic skills such as appro…
/r/seduction11/02/20 03:49 PM
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"Sounds good. How about I make you dinner at my place on Friday 😋"
/r/seduction11/02/20 04:21 AM
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I will share again my favorite quote from the PUA coach Alex Social: "Instagram is great. I have 100k followers and it's like having a PUA cheat code." LOL
/r/seduction11/02/20 03:42 AM
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This may not be applicable but James Tusk and his PUA cronies who do a lot of game in Colombia say it's very normal there. I think he said, they either find a guy for her friend, or else just roll with it. If you come across as a normal, cool guy and your girl is interested in you, the 3rd wheel will make an excuse and leave you alone. In Colombia anyways.
/r/seduction11/02/20 03:33 AM
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Inner game: The Six Pillars of Self Esteem No More Mr Nice Guy Emotional Intelligence The Rational Male Outer Game: The Game (Neil Strauss) Models (Mark Manson) The Natural (Richard La Ruina) The Noble Art of Seduction (Kezia Noble) Rapid Escalation (Liam Mcrae) Revelation by Venusian Arts (updated version of Mystery Method)
/r/seduction10/02/20 08:18 PM
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I got better partly by working harder to be more friendly, sociable, funny and supportive with all the people I meet every day. Starting with my family, housemates, friends, co-workers, and all kinds of working people whom I interact with. When I'm actually gaming I can finally "just be myself" because as much as possible, I'm trying to be a charming, flirtatious guy all day every day. My theory is, 90% of an interaction with someone like your mother or a co-worker is exactly the same as a picku…
/r/seduction10/02/20 08:02 PM
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"you see all this crap on you tube and books and self promoters pushing this idea that you can pickup any girl you want on the street. You can't." Your advice above is excellent. I also prefer social circle game over cold approach and dating apps. There is no need to tear down PUA coaches however. I've never seen a legit coach tell guys they can pick up anyone they want. Nearly all they coaches that I follow now or have followed in the past do a combination of cold approaches (daygame and/or nig…
/r/seduction10/02/20 07:50 PM
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Several months ago when clicking somewhere on the sidebar, FAQ or Resources links associated with this reddit, I saw a posting which listed tons of books for PUAs. The interesting thing about it was, they were voted on by people. I thought this was a valuable resource for newbs to wade into but I can't find it any more. When I started learning game I consumed as many ebooks and audiobooks as I could find and I recommend this to other people as well.
/r/seduction10/02/20 07:27 PM
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The tried and true method that many coaches advocate and which worked for me, is to work in parallel on inner game (self esteem, confidence, emotional intelligence) and outer game (fitness, grooming, clothes, posture, conversation skills and texting skills). It takes months to years because most guys can't come up to speed really quickly on a lot of different aspects of self improvement. It's a big job but it's worth it because every day of working out makes you healthier and more attractive. Ev…
/r/seduction10/02/20 03:00 AM
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Just study game as taught by guys who you think are cool and who you want to emulate. Month by month you'll find you're a happier person who has a better dating life. Don't keep score, just keep improving. Overall happiness and a fulfilling sex life has a lot less to do with handsomeness than you think.
/r/seduction10/02/20 01:54 AM
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Are you trying to ask, is getting better with women learnable? Yes it is. Not everyone can become a stud who gets with different, hot women every week. But every guy can get more dates and have better relationships than he did previously ... if he applies himself. Learning game is a euphemism for dressing and grooming better and becoming more happy, confident and sociable.
/r/seduction10/02/20 12:54 AM
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True enough. I was that needy guy for a long time. I have tried to fix it by making my in-person meetups with women more warm and memorable, then trying to follow up with more warm and memorable (but fewer) texts in between when I see them. I try to feel and act warm, happy and a bit aroused when I see them, and then convey similar feelings in text messages. EDIT: maybe half of the women don't want any part of it and either ghost me or take a very long time to respond. Half of them respond very …
/r/seduction09/02/20 09:33 PM
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I got better at texting by reading and watching a few things which I'll try to list. playingfire.com, website has various free samples, tips and LRs (Love Reports lol) for text game. Ice White's Messaging Game Guide which he offered as a free ebook download for a while. I think it's being sold now through Amazon or something, under a different title. Maybe the free version is still out there. Engineered Lifestyle coach Leon White sells a Tinder and texting guide called The Algorithm. I've only s…
/r/seduction09/02/20 09:28 PM
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I haven't seen the product, I've only seen a couple of videos where he talks about certain aspects of it. But Alex Social aka 4week Natural teaches club game and has a method covering all the basic steps, approaching to pulling. Not endorsing his product or telling you it's worth paying for, but I like his vibe and his free content. He's a long time coach with RSD for like, 10 years and now he's independent or rather has his own company. Like many longtime coaches he seems to be wavering in his …
/r/seduction09/02/20 07:20 PM
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IMHO yes. Being a handsome looking stud will help, but the key ingredient of a fuckboy is the guilty pleasure aspect. Just like a dumb pop song that girls know is bad, but they get up and dance to it anyways.
/r/seduction09/02/20 04:51 PM
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You have to reboot yourself meaning your self-image and attitude. If you do that then by all means, express yourself and let it show in your interactions. If you were previously percieved as creepy or needy then it's an uphill battle but by no means impossible.
/r/seduction09/02/20 04:36 PM
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Good FR. After just one banter line it's better to just drop the banter, laugh it off and chill. Banter battles can be fun but if they're not your actual goal then you have no reason to prolong them. If the other person is in banter-warrior mode that's their problem. Be emotionally unreactive and go into a chill, stone-face mode. As soon as you stop mirroring them, you break the energy loop ... they feel like a fool when they don't get positive feedback and they switch it off. A simple smile or …
/r/seduction09/02/20 04:25 PM
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It's better to act like racial and ethnic labels don't exist. They are pretty fake after all, made up in order divide and control people. Form them into political blocs, convince them to buy shit, make them feel either entitled or guilty, and so on. Don't play those games, act like everyone you meet is just another human.
/r/seduction09/02/20 04:17 PM
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I'll tell you what I've failed to do whenever this has happened, which is to spark interest or move things forward via conversation and banter. When and if it happens again I think I will go for a physical connection instead ... such as a warm hand-hold (Engineered Lifestyle's The Hand of God), a meaningful hug, or my arm(s) around her waist. Going the kino route makes sense because her approaching you is the ultimate IOI. You don't have to open her or win her over she's already on your team. Pa…
/r/seduction09/02/20 04:09 PM
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In person social skills are the most important thing ... however I think that being an entertaining texter is a necessary additional skill. Going for the hangout is critical but often the logistics are impossible. If days and weeks go by without in-person contact, a bit of warmth and sexual spark via text is necessary to keep her interested. Not just dry texts trying to setup a date.
/r/seduction09/02/20 04:02 PM
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"Ok come out for coffee and I'll make it up ... live & in person" You might want to go low key, low pressure. Let her bring a friend, or whatever. Then you have to impress her with your vibe. Doesn't have to be high energy (cocky funny) but it has to be real.
/r/seduction09/02/20 03:51 PM
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She took over 5 hours to reply ... you can wait til next day to say something like, "Ok I'll say hi to you next time" or if the class is next day, wait til you see her and say "hi" or just give her a smile and a little wave. Then later on text something funny related to the class or something else you have in common.
/r/seduction09/02/20 02:44 AM
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I think that most average guys suffer from letting things go and giving in to the hobo look one way or another. Hair and beard for sure should look neat. Pay attention to bad-fitting, sloppy, worn-out shirts, pants, socks and shoes. Get rid if them! They say you should dress for the job you want to have. If you're a PUA that should mean, arm candy on the arm of a classy, hot babe. Or a tricked-out stud on the arm of a hot, fit babe. None of those guys have sloppy, careless grooming, pants that d…
/r/seduction08/02/20 03:45 PM
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I did this for a while as a starting step in game. Lately I go more "free flow" and I don't strain to find commonalities. Instead if I feel a commonality I might point it out, or I might let her point it, or I might point out that we're different. The main thing is to be cool and mellow about whatever you discover about each other.
/r/seduction08/02/20 03:32 PM
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To get myself to calm down and listen to people attentively with good eye contact, I tell myself silently "Slow down". Whenever I start to feel nervous as if I am about to break eye contact or start talking too much. This works for me in many different situations not just in pickup.
/r/seduction08/02/20 03:23 PM
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One of the best pieces of advice I ever got from PUA training materials was, "Eliminate sarcasm from your vocabulary." I was always a sarcastic guy and I thought I was pretty funny. But after I heard that advice I replayed many incidents from my life, things I said and that other people told me. I decided it wasn't helping me. Overnight I eliminated sarcasm from my repertoire. I don't miss it and I think it helped me a lot with women.
/r/seduction08/02/20 12:42 AM
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Lol ... I assume that there are reddits for salsa, ballroom, and all kinds of dancing. Do guys get on there every day and say, "Yo I'm lookin' at this hot girl looks she wants to dance any tips?"
/r/seduction07/02/20 11:50 PM
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Practice doing big, fake smiles in the mirror for 5 minutes at a time. That's just to get your muscles working again if you've got out of the habit of smiling. When you're out and about, never TRY to smile deliberately. If you feel happy because you met someone nice, or they said something nice, allow yourself to smile as an instinctive reflex. That is the best kind of smile. Feel happy in your body first, a natural smile will follow.
/r/seduction07/02/20 06:29 PM
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Mostly through social circle game. Friends of friends, and in social grpups such as arts/music clubs, etc. Sooner or later numbers are exchanged so you can share some specific piece of information, later the joking around and teasing starts. When you meet them in person it gradually becomes touchy-feely say when you meet and when you sit down to look at pictures on your phone. Tension builds until you're kissing and hugging, dates are set up and nature takes its course.
/r/seduction07/02/20 04:20 PM
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I feel that a lot of the "products" such as video courses are overhyped and overpriced. Live coaching either one-on-one or at a bootcamp however may be good value. I've never participated in this but I've seen lots of videos with coaching sessions and student infields. The coaches tend to have strong game and they tailor each activity and challenge to what the student can handle.
/r/seduction07/02/20 04:02 PM
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It's a different problem but I find now with text game that women hit me up with texts out of the blue. They do it if I (a) I was funny, witty, entertaining and maybe a bit saucy in the previous texts I sent them, and (b) I stopped texting them when they stopped responding. After around a week where I give them nothing they always come back with a "how's it going?" because they miss the attention. That's when you want to try to convert if possible and go for the hangout. It's hilarious ... somet…
/r/seduction07/02/20 02:38 AM
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There are a some old Yad (daygame.com) infield videos where he's making daygame approaches in Santa Monica. I like his charming and fearless style and he's good at conversational tactics such as an initial direct compliment, assumption stacking, teasing and mild negging, etc. He is one of the pioneers of London daygame technique.
/r/seduction07/02/20 02:23 AM
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Happened to me a few times over the years. Nearly always after I had been performing onstage. Once at a TV show taping, and a couple of times when playing in bands at bars. I wasn't able to turn the contacts into dates and I don't think it's a good strategy to wait to be approached. Just take it as a compliment and continue to learn and practice normal game where you approach women. Oh wait there is one thing that happened when I was 16. During a house party this girl that I actually had a crush…
/r/seduction07/02/20 02:13 AM
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Haven't seen a lot of negativity, just a few complaints about RSD's demise but it's not the first pickup coaching company to fade away. The best ideas are maintained and expanded upon and the best coaches have students who become coaches and carry on the tradition. Deplatforming of PUA content didn't really catch on even after that scummy BBC exposé. Probably because despite some of the weird terminology used in pickup, at its heart it's really just "dating skills" and nobody is really against t…
/r/seduction07/02/20 12:19 AM
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Don't worry about labels especially don't label yourself. Don't get hung up on looks either. Really shallow girls might be obsessed with finding rich and traditionally handsome men but they are a minority. Nice girls who are attractive and fun to be around are not obsessed with money and movie star looks. But you have to make an effort ... imagine a depressed, grouchy slob ... then go out and try to be the opposite. You can't fail.
/r/seduction06/02/20 11:04 PM
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I thought that when I first heard of Asbergers. I was like, "That's me! Now I can make progress." But I found that just by studying game, reading self help books not specifically targeted to any condition and doing generic exercises, I made a lot more progress. For example reading books on self esteem and emotional intelligence and doing meditation and affirmations. The only labels I consider now are, "not sociable, not good with women" and "cool guy, good with women".
/r/seduction06/02/20 10:38 PM
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Another useful book is The Noble Art of Seduction by Kezia Noble. When she describes the guys who successfully approached and seduced her (dated her or at least got her number) it's a really useful field guide for women. How to recognize cool guys, and how to act and react when you're around them. All the stuff she recommends that men do, from style to posture to conversation, THAT'S what women should be looking for.
/r/seduction06/02/20 09:30 PM
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Your inner feelings of masculinity are more important. If you accept and embrace those feelings they will help determine how you are perceived. If you have masculine energy and charisma, women will notice. Many gay men have strong looking faces and beards.
/r/seduction06/02/20 08:57 PM
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I don't know any women who've read it but I have long suspected that it is useful for them. They may get a few tips to use themselves and it will also help them learn to recognize cool guys who are worth spending time with.
/r/seduction06/02/20 08:51 PM
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I don't know about severe autism. For high functioning and borderline cases I believe that it's helpful to learn a few simple skills such as holding eye contact. Among other things. If you don't want to talk to people or connect with people emotionally and intellectually, why would you even worry about having a dating life and hang around this reddit?
/r/seduction06/02/20 06:34 PM
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I got benefit from reading three psychological self help books: The Six Pillars of Self Esteem No More Mr Nice Guy Emotional Intelligence The first 2 books are old-school but they are very practical because they have a minimum of jargon and labels, and each book is based on many years of clinical practice that was NOT based on drugs. Stuff like affirmations (telling yourself you're great lol) and meditation also help. Using "eye contact practice" videos on youtube are also extremely helpful. The…
/r/seduction06/02/20 06:15 PM
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The natural PUAs that I knew in the past were actually students of game, in that they were always observing other guys and reading random stuff in newspapers etc. about dating strategies. If I had been half as observant and curious as them back in the day I would have done a lot better. I think that even Gambler aka Richard La Ruina's natural PUA hero Steve Jabba eventually studied game in order to get better. And Gambler called him, "the best natural I ever saw".
/r/seduction06/02/20 05:55 PM
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A good book about this is The Rational Male.
/r/seduction06/02/20 05:50 PM
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Within your existing social and professional circles you can become a lot more sociable, charming and seductive. I did it without drastically changing my lifestyle, just by assiduously studying "game" (aka pickup or seduction) for a couple of years and working on improving myself. Across the gamut including clothes, grooming, fitness, inner game and confidence, body language, social skills such as conversation, and even sex skills. Read widely and work hard it will pay off.
/r/seduction06/02/20 05:49 PM
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In my case I decided that it's better to ignore labels. Just tell yourself that you "need work" then do the work without worrying about clinical definitions. Pickup-industry terminology may be flawed but it's far more practical and helpful than the kind of stuff shrinks will tell you. They're good for severe cases maybe but everyone else should look for practical, homegrown solutions to self improvement.
/r/seduction06/02/20 05:44 PM
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Too many levels of 4D chess going on here. My view of frame is, you consciously think of your frame (such as "she's chasing me") but you let the frame express itself spontaneously. Not by strategizing and thinking of lines and responses. If you believe in your frame "with conviction" as PUAs say, a girl will pick up on it loud and clear no matter what you say. It's worth it to study banter and think of clever lines, but in the field you have to get out of your head, get into your body and trust …
/r/seduction06/02/20 05:38 PM
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I went through the same thing in college, as a guy. I got out of the slump and got into a long-term relationship after taking people's advice to join clubs, etc. Looking back many years later, what I wish I did was work on my social skills and personality hangups and stuff to become a more fun, social person. I mean, I did that a bit, but I wish I worked on it harder, and tried harder to become more sociable within my existing circles ... instead of joining new social circles (clubs) and trying …
/r/seduction06/02/20 05:27 PM
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Pick Up Artist. In theory it means, a guy who approaches attractive women, takes them home and charms them into bed within a couple of hours. In practice the guys who are entitled to be called a PUA mostly collect girls' phone numbers (or accumulate a lot of Tinder matches). They turn a few of those contacts into dates, and a few of those dates end up in bed. It's not that they bang like rock stars, but they do a lot better than the average guy. A better term than PUA is, "guys who are good with…
/r/seduction06/02/20 04:13 PM
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I didn't want to turn a complaint against women posters into a brawl among guy posters but ... The incel guys are the ones who get on here and tell guys, "Game doesn't work. Unless you're really handsome, jacked and wealthy forget it." The slayers are the guys in high school who maybe had 1 makeout in their life who are like, "Just grab her and fuk her bro" None of these people severely bother me though. Except the spammers who only post a link to their youtube and expect me to watch it with no …
/r/seduction06/02/20 03:52 PM
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James Tusk and his students and associates are frequently in Colombia ... check out his youtube channel.
/r/seduction06/02/20 01:16 AM
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I think women's opinions are worth listening to even if I disagree with them. I consider their input more helpful on this sub than a lot of guy's opinions. Such as the incels and self-designated "slayers". The women who drop in here occasionally seem more genuine and sincere than what I've seen on the "female dating advice" sub FWIW (or whatever it's called) EDIT Incidentally, I enjoyed a couple books on pickup written by women. Yes, they have dumb titles but the authors are honest and helpful. …
/r/seduction05/02/20 10:22 PM
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I'm not specifically attracted to brainy babes but mentally flipping through my rolodex, a fair number of intelligent women are there. They tend to like intellectual talk. Not about science, logic and technology but they're into psychology, spirituality and other stereotypical "girlie" subjects. It's not that I sought them out, I think they were drawn to me because they find me intelligent to talk to. One of them gave me a book with really far-out, New Age theories about communing with plants. I…
/r/seduction05/02/20 10:12 PM
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Sex is a kind of warm moment. It's good when two people really enjoy each other's company, dissatisfying when they don't. Or when three people enjoy each other's company lol. So the warm moments come first, sex later ... if at all.
/r/seduction05/02/20 09:17 PM
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It's hard to give useful advice for one person to seduce one other person. So many variables. What I try to do in my own life, to be more sociable and have more dating success, is to be all-round sociable, all the time with everyone. I worked on being a better person and a better conversationalist first with my family, housemates, and then with my long term friends and colleagues and finally with new people that I meet including attractive women. I mean, learning to listen better, smile more, gi…
/r/seduction05/02/20 09:08 PM
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Sharing a warm moment. If we do, then the possibility exists of either continuing, or sharing further warm moments in the future.
/r/seduction05/02/20 08:35 PM
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An even better and completely honest response: "I'm not keeping score. And I don't care how many people you've slept with. If two people hit it off and want to get intimate, as long as they're safe and they respect each other, everything else belongs to the past not to the present."
/r/seduction05/02/20 08:33 PM
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You could try a rope-a-dope strategy. "Today? None." Or "In my dreams? Thousands!"
/r/seduction05/02/20 07:23 PM
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I think you seldom see great "game" in movies/shows in terms of dialog, but you can learn a lot from many actors' strong, fearless eye contact. Their posture is usually excellent and depending on their role they tend to move well. David Duchovny is just one example, as Hank Moody in Californication. He dominates most scenes in X Files as well. I don't think you learn very much from action heroes who tend to have tense body language. However compare Dwayne Johnson to Vin Diesel. Dwayne seems to b…
/r/seduction05/02/20 06:05 PM
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True enough. It's just that I read Greene's book and was only able to form vague ideas about how to impress my oneitis crush ... which didn't work. But from reading lots of PUA material and watching infields I was able to come up to speed relatively quickly. Everything they teach is immediately actionable, whereas Robert Greene's advice is mostly poetic drivel.
/r/seduction05/02/20 05:08 PM
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Look up "triangular gazing". It has its place, when the moment is right. It doesn't work unless/until you're physically close to each other and both of you are starting to feel attraction in your bodies. Dilated pupils, rapid breathing and heart rate, flushed skin and other symptoms go along with this feeling. Deep eye contact and looking at each other's lips is part of the game.
/r/seduction05/02/20 04:53 PM
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I think there are better books on dating and relationships. Greene's book is more like a historical and literary excursion than a practical guide. PUA coaches who teach bootcamps are a lot better at cutting through the B.S. and giving guys succinct, practical advice. While Greene focuses on identifying, analyzing and courting one crush at a time, the PUA approach is more practical in terms of making yourself attractive then casting a wide net.
/r/seduction05/02/20 04:46 PM
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You have 2 things going on here. In the evolutionary time scale, primitive humans didn't need to learn seduction techniques because their natural, social and sexual instincts were unrestrained. In historical times, human mating instincts have been repressed by artificial legal and religious codes which are enforced by peer pressure at best, by official and mob violence at worst. "Learning game" is about rediscovering your natural instincts for meeting and socializing with women. And doing it in …
/r/seduction05/02/20 04:39 PM
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Lol ... indication of interest It's widely debated how significantly a guy should consider flirting signals such as hair flips. Some experienced PUAs advise that you shouldn't depend on them because many women send out IOIs all the time just to tease guys and get attention. Married and taken women are notorious for this. Some guys say that you should ignore IOIs or the lack of them, assume attraction and plow on until the woman shows definite disinterest by turning away or walking away.
/r/seduction05/02/20 04:05 PM
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I read somewhere that the events in book supposedly took place over a couple of years, but Style was actually doing game for much longer. You can see in the book that his game evolves away from the weirder Mystery techniques towards a more sympathetic natural style. But I think that those old school guys never give up their routines completely. Once a palm reader always a palm reader lol.
/r/seduction05/02/20 03:56 PM
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Thanks for posting, your viewpoint is appreciated. It's a bit surprising to me because getting ghosted or ignored by girls seems like a bigger problem. The common advice you see a lot is, "don't over text". Guys are afraid of coming on too strong and appearing needy. We assume that a hot girl has many guys texting her and we don't want to get lost in the crowd of guys asking "how was your day?" sending memes or whatever.
/r/seduction05/02/20 03:47 PM
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Ok punish/reward sounds harsh. In practice it would be better described as "give and take" in other words, pretty normal human social interactions. A lot of so-called PUA terminology sounds far worse than what it really means. The term PUA itself is an exaggeration since even so called "pickup artists" seldom convince a strange woman to sleep with them in just an hour or two. Most "pickups" are just introducing yourself, contacting each other later and not sleeping with each other until after 1,…
/r/seduction04/02/20 11:51 PM
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What a Pick Up Artist would do. I.e. a guy who's good with women.
/r/seduction04/02/20 10:53 PM
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There are ways to keep a conversation going but it's also cool to let things go quiet at times. Either way, talking or chilling, what makes it good or bad is how you feel in your body. If you feel good being with the other person, silent or talking, and you convey that vibe to them, then you will have an enjoyable interaction.
/r/seduction04/02/20 10:52 PM
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Worst thing that ever happened to me: my "friend" wanted to show off and shoved me into a campfire in front of a bunch of girls. Looking back on it years later, I was probably a really insecure chode who projected the image, "kick me I'm an idiot". Now that I know game I'm a different person. That kind of insecure, AMOG'ing situation doesn't seem to come up any more. If a guy ever shoved me like that again I would come up fighting and the guy would literally get his face kicked in and his hands …
/r/seduction04/02/20 10:08 PM
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Exactly!!! The one good thing about my obsessive crush and friendzoning was that it eventually motivated me to learn game. Then I discovered the joy of being polygamous at heart, spinning plates, and not giving a damn if women are monogamous or commited to anyone including myself. It may sound heartless but I actually love and appreciate women more than ever, even the ones that friendzoned me.
/r/seduction04/02/20 09:54 PM
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No not necessary if you're vibing well. But you should never let go of the frame that your affection for her is not unconditional, and you require mutual attraction and respect. Just by holding this frame, girls pick up on it by ESP, and explicit negging and assertiveness are rarely necessary. Gentle teasing (VERY gentle push) is usually fun, but keep in mind that some girls appreciate it more than others.
/r/seduction04/02/20 09:33 PM
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Pretty good list. One more hint. If a girl thinks you're a bit slow on the uptake or she's more than usually worried about your intentions (wants to let you down gently) she will make the friendzone explicit by literally using the word "friend" on you. Two examples I got in text messages, a couple of years apart from the same girl: "Thank you for being such a great friend" "Take care friend" It's still fun to game girls who have friendzoned you. I don't recommend dropping them or refusing their …
/r/seduction04/02/20 09:23 PM
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I watch this reddit off and on. Sooner or later there are recommendations and self-promotions of PUA coaches which turn out to have good stuff. The classic old stuff by Mystery believe it or not is still being taught in boot camps. His coaching partner Beckster Lifestyle is more of a natural style PUA but he still teaches Mystery Method. He posted a video called "12 Days of Game" where he makes a surpisingly strong case for technical game such as peacocking etc. Even better is his old "Saturday …
/r/seduction04/02/20 09:10 PM
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It is funny because it's also a "negging" (negative) banter line used by guys when joking around with females. I had a fairly short, skinny housemate in college who did OK with women. He had a somewhat weird habit of walking around the house with no shirt on. It turned on a couple of the women who also lived in the house and once or twice they literally grabbed him for random makeouts.
/r/seduction04/02/20 06:06 PM
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I don't know. It's complicated and it involves both psychology and physiology. But there are many sources of information which can help. There are other reddits and web sites where you can get better advice than r/seduction
/r/seduction04/02/20 06:00 PM
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Around here a couple of books are frequently recommended ... She Come First The Sex God Method ... good luck.
/r/seduction04/02/20 05:46 PM
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This is not the best reddit, look for one with relationship advice.
/r/seduction04/02/20 04:52 PM
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I believe in you. You can do it. Track down this book ... I found it very helpful: The Six Pillars of Self Esteem
/r/seduction04/02/20 04:25 PM
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Kudos. I learned a lot from an earlier free download version of this book. My text game (mostly life game as he calls it) improved hugely.
/r/seduction04/02/20 04:15 PM
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That exact line? Naw I'm just spitting out banter for practice. That secret agent thing is derived from having a frame: "She's into me. We're already practically a couple. Let's just play it cool and see if the vibe is right." You invent roles based on the frame and then play-act the roles. THAT works. The Hand of God works great for the Engineered Lifestyle guys apparently. They have some good materials about how they do pickup in Las Vegas. The Hand of God is another way of play-acting the fra…
/r/seduction04/02/20 04:08 PM
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You're in grad school, you're a book learning guy ... so I don't mind recommending a few books on inner and outer game. They will get you started. Branch out from there ... listen, read, observe and practice. The Six Pillars of Self Esteem No More Mr Nice Guy Emotional Intelligence Models by Mark Manson The Rational Male
/r/seduction04/02/20 12:22 AM
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How to use a prostitution web site to scam wannabe call girls who want money and gifts into giving you free sex. Salt Daddy game lol ... that is why "pimp" is the world's 2nd oldest profession.
/r/seduction04/02/20 12:15 AM
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Try this: practice listening attentively. Look at people in the eyes when they're talking to you. Instead of interrupting them and blurting out something right away, tell yourself: "Slow down". Keep listening and try to identify their personality, emotions and motivations. When you get good at listening to people you also get good at making smart, funny replies to them. I think it works because you understand them better. When you're relaxed, your brain can take more time to make connections and…
/r/seduction03/02/20 11:55 PM
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I had dates and got laid every once in a (long) while but I was dumb and stubborn about my failures. Made the mistake of comparing myself to my friends who were better with women and wrongly concluded that I had very little appeal and even worse, that I was incapable of improvement. Believe it or not, step 1 of getting better with women isn't to get attractive girls to lust after you, but to become a better person in your existing relationships with family, friends, classmates and co-workers. Th…
/r/seduction03/02/20 09:24 PM
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Don't be bitter and cynical. It works great. There is a diversity of techniques and teaching methods and furthermore, experienced coaches are good at tailoring methods for all kinds of guys from physically and mentally handicapped to every age and ethnicity. There are no shortcuts ... you have to be determined and work at it. Results are relative to yourself. You will never be satisfied if you compare yourself to awesome PUAs but you will be highly satisfied compared to to your old self. This is…
/r/seduction03/02/20 06:50 PM
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Never been in a frat but saw some frat parties in action and wasn't impressed. Not at a huge school or anything but ... while most of the guys were just ordinary chodes (like me and my friends were) a few of the guys were kind of toxic. Trying to engineer frat parties to make other guys bring girls, get the girls drunk on free beer and pull them up to their rooms. No game, just slimeball tactics. Looking back what I really wish is that I had learned game when I was in school, not that I was a bi…
/r/seduction03/02/20 04:22 PM
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Could def work. Or say, "You're cute but my girlfriend's getting really jealous. Here's my phone, type in your # and don't say anything." Look away as you slide her your phone and act like a super cool secret agent. Engineered Lifestyle preferred technique: stare at her with laser eye contact, silently extend The Hand of God and lead her away ... to a quiet room, outside, to an Uber ...
/r/seduction03/02/20 04:15 PM
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Looking back on my more successful buddies I don't think they had it all that easy. They fucked more but they still had girl problems ... couldn't get certain hot girls they wanted, were always trying to cover their tracks because they weren't honest with chicks, and even had STD scares. I still envied them, but nowadays since I started learning game I am completely happy with my own success relative to myself, not compared to anyone else. And frankly when you've learned game for a couple of yea…
/r/seduction03/02/20 04:09 PM
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I agree, 1, 2 or 3 week silence and practically every girl I know will come back eventually with a "how are you", "sorry I've been so busy", or send a joke or a meme. After 3-4 weeks if she's still silent you can send something really innocuous. A non-sequitur which is not a question and has no obvious reply. Like "Hey trouble", "Nice day" or whatever. If she doesn't reply go back into silence. Imagine your caveman ancestors ... chicks want a guy who can wait very, very patiently for game. So ye…
/r/seduction03/02/20 03:59 PM
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I wish I could remember where I heard this but I think it was a lecture on youtube from an old 21 Convention pickup conference. The coach said he freed himself by wearing a sandwich board with something ridiculous printed on it ... or maybe it was a clown suit ... then walking all the way across town and dealing with everything that happened. He said, that cured any fears he had about interacting with people and looking dumb because literally, nothing happens and life just goes on.
/r/seduction03/02/20 03:51 PM
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Remember of the 5 recommended strategies to counter shit tests, the most useful response is to just smile (or laugh) and ignore it. The other strategies are worth learning too but the easiest one is usually the best. The goal is to come off as easygoing and unteactive ... so don't react.
/r/seduction03/02/20 03:44 PM
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With practice you can become more witty and entertaining. It helps to check out online "text game guides" because they have examples of banter they use to give a girl an initial spark of humor and sexual interest, and how to re-spark a dialog if it gets dry or dies out. There are some free and paid ebooks and videos explaining techniques with real examples. A lol technique ... Chen University had this example where he and the girl get into a boring job-interview type dialog. She asks him what he…
/r/seduction03/02/20 03:39 PM
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This reddit's sidebar has an old post with many books listed, voted on by readers. I recommend reading books by several authors at minimum, to get a wide range of opinions and advice.
/r/seduction02/02/20 10:21 PM
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Haven't done this myself, but it's interesting to hear PUAs say that in Colombia it's common for girls they have approached to bring a girlfriend on their first date. Combination of conservative values and plain old safety consciousness. They advise that the best thing is to roll with it. Be mellow and cool about it, and chances are their friend will disappear at some point or else the second date will definitely be solo. Maybe this will work with Muslim girls too. Say it's just a hangout bring …
/r/seduction02/02/20 05:19 PM
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Ok I checked out Alpha M his style is pretty good. At some point you have to trust women's opinions. Believe it or not there are women with good taste who want to help you be cool and sexy. I frequently hear from female shop assistants, "Yes this is cool. I wish I could get my father, bf, husband to wear stuff like this". I get terrible clothes as gifts from my Mom, but my other female relatives usually pick awesome clothes for me. The other go-to strategy I use is make a screen cap of a cool gu…
/r/seduction02/02/20 05:05 PM
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Good post. What does jodoes mean?
/r/seduction02/02/20 04:50 PM
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I recommend the book No More Mr Nice Guy by Robert Glover.
/r/seduction02/02/20 03:38 PM
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They're looking at you because they think you are POTENTIALLY attractive. Girls need to see your personality before deciding if you're actually attractive. Good looking guys are fairly common but guys with attractive personalities are hard to find. If you're not naturally very smooth and sociable it takes more time and effort to develop that side than it takes to learn how to dress and groom better and get in physical condition.
/r/seduction02/02/20 03:36 PM
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I know 2 guys who were great natural pickup artists in their 20s. They both were very easygoing and sociable. I wouldn't say it was from upbringing but it was an innate (inborn) part of their personality. If there is a spectrum of social ability related to autism vs non-autism, they were very far towards the non-autism end. One guy had success with women only when he was drunk. I think he had some Mommy issues (a domineering mother) which he could only get past when certain psychological stickin…
/r/seduction02/02/20 03:28 PM
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Most of the books and videos are saying: get healthy, dress and groom well, have a strong purpose in life, be friendly and nice to people and they will be nice to you. But apparently you see men who are unhealthy, dress badly, have bad hygeine, have a bad attitude and disrespect people ... but they have great relationships with women. Tell us more.
/r/seduction01/02/20 11:11 PM
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I disagree. Every guy can improve his ability to meet women, date them, have fulfilling friendships and relationships. Don't give in to lazy, incel attitudes. There are many, many materials you can read and watch to get better with women and to become more sociable and happy with your relationships. This reddit and many other places are full of good advice and pointers to helpful books and videos. Be intelligent, discriminating and persistent.
/r/seduction01/02/20 09:48 PM
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It's a start. Make it your everyday habit to dress and groom well even when you're not going out to meet attractive women. When you're shopping don't be shy about asking the female shop assistants to help you find cool clothes. Tell them, "I need a cooler look can you help me pick some nice pants and shirts?" Then ask, "Ok what belt and shoes would look cool with these?" That way you will avoid the Dad look. Pay attention to how other guys dress and when you find that your clothes are nicer, giv…
/r/seduction01/02/20 09:42 PM
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Just go with flow, smile and silently acknowledge that you have nothing say, but convey that she's welcome to speak. One of the best DHVs (demonstrations of higher value) is the ability to chill and not insist on being the center of attention. If you feel like you're always tongue tied and never getting anywhere, then do a daily visualization exercise where you imagine you're with a girl and that you're speaking, laughing and joking around easily. You don't have to imagine specific conversations…
/r/seduction01/02/20 09:32 PM
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Don't get hung up on identifying yourself as Aspergers. In my personal experience it's better to ignore the alleged diagnoses and prescriptions of shrinks and pop psychology theorists. Make it your goal to become a cool guy who's good with women. Ignore labels and avoid pigeon holes. These labels and theories were created with good intentions but they aren't helpful. More helpful are affirmations, meditatation and good old fashioned "practice being sociable". If you're fun and charming with your…
/r/seduction01/02/20 04:12 PM
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I found that the vibe I bring gets me farther than any particular story or type of story. If I bring the right kind of vibe and the girl is vibing back then the actual content of the conversation seems to matter very little. Sometimes it's deep heart to heart conversation about life experiences, sometimes factual information about logistics, sometimes it's just trivia and jokes. Being "in the zone" comes off better than if you appear to have a conversational agenda such as, trying to DHV.
/r/seduction01/02/20 04:01 PM
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Just want to say, I tried asking a question on r/AskWomen about fashion style and it was a total waste of time. Tried posting it twice and it was deleted by mods both times for allegedly not following their posting rules. Maybe it's because they looked at my posting history in seduction lol. It's understandable given the number of toxic creeps and weirdos out there but bottom line is, guys you don't really have much chance to ask women specifically for advice on reddit. If you're learning PUA th…
/r/seduction01/02/20 03:42 PM
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When I was in a similar situation it was indeed by joining a club (musical group) that I finally got a girlfriend. I was pretty miserable in a guy-dominated program until then. Looking back however after finally discovering PUA and learning game, if I did university all over again what would have been better was to learn game. It didn't exist then as a field ... but that's what I really needed. If I could have developed my style and become a cooler guy who was better at talking to women, I would…
/r/seduction01/02/20 03:31 PM
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It's a good rule when first starting to practice text game ... to curb your tendency to eagerly "text right away" a girl who may not be as eager as you are. Even more important is to develop a list of girls that you text regularly ... including hot, warm and cold dating prospects. As soon as you're texting multiple girls you tend to lose that desperate, eager vibe that is the real problem with texting girls too frequently. By juggling several (or many) girls, you can be more patient with them, a…
/r/seduction01/02/20 03:18 PM
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Sure, guys can get dates etc. by attracting girls with money. I assume it happens a lot. But it's a different kind of attraction. Whatever relationship happens is going to have a different dynamic happening when a woman thinks a man is sexy, vs when she thinks of the guy as a provider. The field of teaching and learning PUA is based on a couple of major assumptions: 1) Nearly every guy can learn to become more attractive to women, using charm, humor and the looks he was born with 2) Relationship…
/r/seduction01/02/20 03:00 PM
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What I was trying to say is that we cant trust what Beckster says about his mate Mystery. Hey here's something interesting. This video Beckster did recently called "12 Days of Game". I'm surprised to see that he actually talks about classic Mystery Method techniques a lot. Like peacocking etc. He's a much cooler guy than Mystery (IMO) so I have to say, this was eye opening to me. If you're interested in the "tricks vs natural technique" debate then you might find it interesting to hear how a guy…
/r/seduction01/02/20 02:57 AM
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These 2 guys were both real, PUA naturals. Trust me, every other guy I hung around with in high school and college were chodes just like me who could barely find girls to date and go out with, and seldom got laid. They had different types of game. Guy 1 was handsome like Tom Cruise in Risky Business, but actually had zero game until he was drunk. Then, he was clever and funny, had just the right amount of "I don't give a fuck" attitude, and was sometimes fearless enough to walk right up to a hot…
/r/seduction01/02/20 02:46 AM
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I think that inner game is the key ... being clear in your own mind what you want, what women want, and what your potential value is to a woman as a companion, on a date or whatever. When you are solid on these things (often called your frame) then it tends to be obvious from your vibe. The things you say and do will reflect your image of "what's going on". I.e. is this a romantic/sexual date or a friendzone thing.
/r/seduction31/01/20 09:57 PM
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My game is chill and natural, looking for opportunities when they arise rather than doing reps (approaches). The only effort I make consistently is to maintain strong eye contact, smile if the conversation goes well, mirroring her warmth, and any wisecracks that come out are spontaneous. I don't introduce physical escalation rapidly with someone I just met but I might get a bit salty if a funny innuendo pops into my mind. Or I might just think the innuendo and say it with my eyes and unspoken vi…
/r/seduction31/01/20 09:52 PM
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"Hey trouble" "How's my girl" "Ok Thursday then" ... wait 2 minutes ... "Ohhh sorry that was for someone else. Sorry!" Go silent again. No more texting her for like a month. Then mix it up and try something different like a very innocuous hangout e.g. hiking or meetup with a bunch of friends not a date.
/r/seduction31/01/20 07:39 PM
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I like natural style daygame techniques so I have previously learned a lot from the old Yad daygame.com infield videos and advice (so called London daygame). Two active coaches teaching and demonstrating this on youtube are James Tusk and Fluid Social. Also Chen University has had some fun infields in the past. There are some good text game and Tinder advice videos, ebooks and web sites out there. I don't do Tinder but my text game improved a lot from reading/watching playingfire.com, reading Ic…
/r/seduction31/01/20 07:08 PM
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In person, your sexual or romantic vibe conveys the purpose of the hangout more than any words. By text, you can be direct . But indirect, unmistakeable hints can be better. Make plans for an innocuous sounding hangout but say, "Wear something nice" And optionally throw in, 👠📿💄. Or hint ironically, "it's just bubble tea don't get ideas" which of course is supposed to plant the idea.
/r/seduction31/01/20 06:58 PM
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If you read the better posts made here by men, and even read some of the most highly recommended pickup/dating books then at minimum, you will start to recognize actually cool guys who are good with women. Good with and good for women. And you will recognize the try hards, manipulators and insecure men and not waste time with them. The good guys you will recognize from their attention to clothes and grooming, eye contact and body language, conversation and listening skills. They are quite rare, …
/r/seduction31/01/20 06:49 PM
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It's not complicated and requires no scientific explanation. When a girl offers you the friendzone as an alternative to dating and sex, it's because (a) she finds you unattractive or she is unavailable, and (b) within your social circle, classroom or workplace, she wants to prevent you from becoming a creepy pest who makes her feel uncomfortable. So she rules out sex with you but offers friendship as an inducement to not be creepy and weird about being rejected. The old term for friendzone was "…
/r/seduction31/01/20 06:35 PM
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You will always feel this way when there is only one girl you're currently interested in. If you develop a lot of prospects then you don't have to pretend that you're not anxious and non-needy. You won't have to force yourself to not text her so frequently. Ideally you want to have a list of girls who text you regularly. With no pressure on you, you can take your time to reply, be funny, think of possible future activities etc. Even through their phone, girls can smell a guy who's desperate and …
/r/seduction31/01/20 06:26 PM
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Yeah loads. Look for the sidebar, there is a reader poll with tons of "voted on" materials to learn pickup and dating skills. The most popular recommended books are all pretty good. I recommend reading several books by different authors, don't depend on just one guy's advice because you might get some odd ideas and habits. Youtube is a free for all with many good and many bad advice videos.
/r/seduction31/01/20 06:17 PM
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I have been approached occasionally out of the blue and I've seen a few guys who were more or less natural PUAs approached as well. I think the secret sauce that causes women to approach is sometimes a guy just looks kind of appealing for one of many different possible reasons. For example in high school I was on TV quiz show and a gal approached me at the taping like a classic groupie. Same thing happened to me once or twice when playing music on stage. Not often. One of my natural PUA buddies …
/r/seduction31/01/20 04:25 PM
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No I don't think that age alone is a factor. The lifestyle of traveling frequently to put on bootcamps, and the late hours and sometimes alcoholic indulgence is probably a grind. Many coaches therefore try to re-tool their skills to monetize them in a less burnout-inducing way ... and become the infamous "lifestyle coach" but I'll bet it's difficult. Richard La Ruina it seems, invested in a PUA video game but he got banned by the PC police from game publishing sites (or something) so that idea c…
/r/seduction31/01/20 02:34 AM
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I'm trying a lot of different techniques lately, because I've found that every girl has a different rhythm (timing) and sense of humor. They have different sex drives and dating expectations and they use text messages accordingly. So I'll use emojies sometimes (if funny or relevant), send funny pictures sometimes to illustrate a joke, make a sexual tease, or sometimes ignore a girl. I won't ever text unless I have something to say which I feel is relevant or moves things along (or if necessary t…
/r/seduction31/01/20 02:07 AM
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Murphy bed, fold up bed or sofa bed. Sorry don't know what these are called in your country, but back in the day people used to have futon mattresses on a folding wooden frame which resembled a sofa during the day.
/r/seduction31/01/20 01:39 AM
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The word "pickup" is unfortunate but c'est la vie ... It implies having one night stands with strangers but that doesn't happen very often except as a kind of drunken, party or vacation scenario. The field is actually about "getting good with women" meaning that guys learn to be sociable, fun, good at dating and good at relationships. Some guys do get approached by women. There's a subtle, two-way street which involves putting yourself out there, either making yourself available for girls to mak…
/r/seduction31/01/20 01:36 AM
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It's a combination of many cultural factors. I'm not going to analyze it because while interesting, it doesn't do you any good to know the deeper reasons why you get a bitchy attitude from chicks. Short answer: it's a toxic side effect of America's history of feminism and all-round sense of entitlement and political/cultural exceptionalism. Most important thing is to be absolutely, 100%, rock-solid, totally unreactive to women who give you emotional outbursts. You have to be either completely st…
/r/seduction30/01/20 03:33 PM
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There is a video clip of Beckster demonstrating his patented technique for breaking into a tight circle of dancing girls and isolating 1 girl. Must be the result of thousands of nights of experimentation. An alternative to bump and isolate is the Steve Jabba trick described by Richard La Ruina in his night game lecture ... do a silly dance to get girls' attention, approach the ones who return solid IOIs.
/r/seduction30/01/20 03:21 PM
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I call bullshit. No woman gets an account on reddit for the sole purpose of telling guys to become incels. Mods: look at the posting history. This ain't no female and "it" ain't adding anything to this discussion.
/r/seduction30/01/20 03:16 PM
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There is no barrier to dating younger women, as long as your attitude is 100% locked in that this normal and a cool thing to do. It might take a period of adjustment for you to get fully used to that idea. You will make progress partly through inner game (psyching yourself), and partly by gradually getting positive feedback from women giving you signs that they're attracted.
/r/seduction30/01/20 03:13 PM
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I haven't made that switch but if it helps you to hear it, sober game works just fine. Sober you may feel very different but remember it's the woman's impression of you that counts not your impression of how you're doing. Sober game might feel too boring and chill. But in my experience, if you can act cool and laid back you're already a standout compared to most guys. You don't have to be the life of the party. You should try to be the funnest guy in the room ... but you can do that in a relaxed…
/r/seduction30/01/20 12:23 AM
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Ok you are a big advocate of tattoos but it's because you get AMOG'd or upstaged by guys with bold tats and your hot female friends loudly admire guys with tats ... not because you've personally tested this by getting tats ... have I interpreted you correctly? Not trying to undercut you or cast doubt on what you said ... it's only that a body full of tats is a really drastic and permanent change ... and while I'm not banging supermodels, I'm extremely happy with how non-tattoo game has been work…
/r/seduction29/01/20 08:41 PM
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The very first, easiest and best place to start is right at home with the people you already see every day. Like your Mom, Dad, siblings, roommates, classmates, co-workers, and people working and hanging around you. If you can talk and banter easily with these people ... talk about yourself, ask them things, make plans with them ... then approaching and talking to random attractive women is barely any different. If you're a recluse most of the time with your closest peeps then (a) it's hard to g…
/r/seduction29/01/20 03:34 PM
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Same could be true of a handlebar mustache or an over-the-top, showy wristwatch. Except you can change them from time to time. Bold tats are very striking but they're not the last word in fashion and they're not your last/best way to draw attention to yourself. Being a boring looking guy is another way of peacocking. Many chicks enjoy looking for a Clark Kent type guy with hidden coolness and strength. It's a fantasy for them, to find a stealth super-schlong of her very own, that her hotter chic…
/r/seduction29/01/20 03:22 PM
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Agreed, but not on the money you have to spend. Ignore overpriced labels, look for the sharpest clothes you can find with no logos or inconspicuous logos and find them on sale. Shoes, belt and watch are important, get quality accessories and wear them color coordinated ... even these you can find on sale. Memorize these words and use them on the shop assistants: "What size should I get?" ... "Is this a good fit?"
/r/seduction29/01/20 03:12 PM
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What you feel in your body should set the tone. If you're feeling merely pleasant, have a pleasant conversation ... maybe with smiles and polite banter about innocuous things like the weather or the coffee. If you feel strong attraction then your body language might be, you're mouth is hanging ooen slightly, you're gasping for air a little bit, your pulse is elevated, or whatever. The conversation might be more stilted because of the strong underflow of attraction. I can't give you a script for …
/r/seduction29/01/20 03:01 PM
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When I'm near an attractive woman it makes me happy being there with her. Looking at her, talking to her, maybe touching her. I try to feel that happiness in my body, and communicate my happiness to her with my words and especially with my body language. Such as with eye contact, smiles, possibly hugs or other physical contact and other unconscious communications which can happen such as pupil dilation, heartbeat, breathing, pheromones (smells). It isn't a matter of making it happen but letting …
/r/seduction28/01/20 07:36 PM
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Imagine you're a Trappist monk who only communicates with smiles and gestures. Or a foreigner who doesn't speak the language. Or a Minion who speaks gibberish. Since human mating behavior is a primitive instinct, sophisticated conversation, humor and ideas are optional, not essential.
/r/seduction28/01/20 04:44 PM
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1) Feel the happiness of being near her. 2) Smile and say "hi" (or say anything pleasant) to her, letting your happiness show.
/r/seduction28/01/20 04:37 PM
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1) Feel the happiness of being near her. 2) Smile and say "hi" (or say anything pleasant) to her, letting your happiness show.
/r/seduction28/01/20 04:37 PM
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There is a free ebook shared online that is called "Encyclopaedia of Kino". It moves around a bit with many broken links but with a persistent search I think you can find it. It appears to be compiled by a PUA student who accessed many, many teaching materials, courses and books and copy-pasted-distilled their advice about physical escalation: touching, kissing, etc. It's a really awesome resource, for getting a very wide perspective on kino. Obviously, every PUA and every coach has a different …
/r/seduction26/01/20 03:25 PM
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Ok yeah ... to be completely honest I would go to Beckster for coaching any day because I think his style is awesome ... but if hypothetically he advised me to sign up for one on one coaching with Mystery I wouldn't. I'm sure that's not how they work though, probably more like a boot camp with 2 or more coaches giving you advice that's tailored to your ability and needs. And like Beckster said the MM is updated for the modern era ... so I would be surprised if the first day of their camps is "Pa…
/r/seduction26/01/20 03:12 PM
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Currently follow James Tusk, Chen University, and Fluid Social. Mostly for their personal infields. Some of Tusk's student infields are ok but the real deal with expert PUAs are better. In the past I really enjoyed Yad's daygame infields and breakdowns. They were a huge help for learning openers, assumption stacking, complimenting, mild negging and teasing. Seeing a smooth and confident PUA infield from approach to number close or instadate and passing the various objections is better than watch…
/r/seduction26/01/20 01:44 AM
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He doesn't criticize Mystery or the Mystery Method in any way. I've never met either of them in person but from all evidence, they are best buddies and coaching partners who have been working together for many years. Here on reddit some months ago, Beckster checked in and said, the MM has been updated for the modern era with new materials and learning modules. Or words to that effect. In his Saturday Sarging talk (which I highly recommend) he doesn't say that he quit the MM, got fed up with it, …
/r/seduction26/01/20 01:23 AM
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I never managed to read the Mystery Method book but yeah, he's the poster child for that phase of pickup that many guys go through. The revised edition of MM called "Revelation by Venusian Arts" has all the cringeworthy techniques but it also says, "these are like training wheels that you should go through as a learning phase until you develop natural skills". Meaning, stuff like palm reading, deliberate negs, etc. Mystery's longtime coaching partner Beckster says that's what happened to him. He…
/r/seduction25/01/20 04:22 PM
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Yeah that's a great example of future plans. You can avoid the feeling of (over) commitment by being casual and unconcerned over whether your future-idea actually takes place or not. It's just sewing a seed of possibility, not locking anyone into anything. A negative example: a girl told me, "waltzing is easy". I replied, "you can teach me sometime ok?" That would've been alright if I had dropped it, but I had to bring it up again a minute later: "And you're gonna show me how to waltz, right?" I…
/r/seduction24/01/20 06:56 PM
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I was told by a female relative, "we always thought of you as a fuck boy" in a very accepting, non judgmental way. It set my mind at ease on my journey to develop and accept myself as an essentially non-monogamous "player" at heart. A player who shares excitement and happiness with women is not a shameful thing. It's being emotionally generous. Make it your role in life to leave everyone a little bit happier than they were before they met you.
/r/seduction24/01/20 05:49 PM
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Torrents? I found many old, classic PUA courses that way. Although I really hate the spam/virus laden torrent indexing sites such as thepiratebay.asia
/r/seduction24/01/20 05:44 PM
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For me a big insight was, that I can overcome analysis paralysis by remembering that "game" should be practiced not just on the hot babes whose paths I cross, but on everyone. Including ... especially ... the "boring" people in my life whom it's easy to get in the habit of discounting and ignoring. Complimenting, teasing, negging, discussing future plans, using strong eye contact, dressing and grooming well, body language ... when you practice as much as possible all day and every day on everyon…
/r/seduction24/01/20 05:37 PM
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Your own personal style and preferences will change over time, as you learn and grow. Some of the coaches whose teaching materials I once thought were the best ever, now make me cringe. No need to get attached to any one coach or PUA company. Go with the flow. Use your real life experiences as a filter when you watch and learn. Be open to new ideas and don't regret if you get tired of your old influences and move on. The PUA industry is awesome in its constant evolution and adaptation. Take adva…
/r/seduction24/01/20 05:25 PM
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Keep trying and sooner or later you won't have to take a shot and roll the dice. You will be so sensitive to what's going on in the interaction that you will just "know" when it's going well and you can push it farther. Don't sweat it, it takes practice and at first a little bit of conscious effort to remind yourself to relax, pay attention to her (casually) and allow your feelings to show long before you go for the kiss, date or whatever.
/r/seduction07/01/20 05:26 PM
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Women have all that intuitive, karma thing going for a reason. It's a good compliment to men's logical attitude. It might seem freaky to you now but someday a woman's intuition could literally save your life. For now just tell yourself, this is really cute that she's into all this freaky stuff.
/r/seduction07/01/20 05:22 PM
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No but theŕe are a couple of tell-all books by call girls that I would like to read some day. "You'll Never Make Love in This Town Again" and a sequel. You hear a few other stories here and there but mostly by females describing their encounter with male celebrities. When you know game and you read these it becomes clear that most hotshot guys have no game at all, they're only chick magnets cos of their fame and money and their "seductions" are fairly weird. The only female celebrity game I've s…
/r/seduction07/01/20 05:19 PM
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The anecdote is specific to the midwest 10 years ago, but the advice is general.
/r/seduction31/12/19 10:44 PM
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I don't get your comment about shoes ... but one of the biggest rules of interacting with women is, if it seems creepy to you when you say something, it will sound creepy to her. Likewise, if you don't feel creepy when you say or do something, she won't find it creepy. That is how some guys can get away with outrageous comments and touching. Because their attitude is, "I'm here to have fun if you want to have sex later that's cool", not "hey babe let's have sex or else I'm going to be very disap…
/r/seduction27/12/19 05:49 PM
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I doubt if the "people here" are chasing unattractive women, except for the inexperienced newbs who are understandably desperate and just want to either lose their virginity or break a long dry spell. When you learn game (as opposed to taking the often repeated advice "just be yourself" and "just go for it and ask her out") you are increasingly drawn to more attractive women and they are more attracted to you.
/r/seduction26/12/19 06:00 PM
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Before you approach: Repeated glances (three times within 1 minute), direct staring or a warm smile are invitations to approach. Once you're conversing with a girl: The very strongest IOI is when she asks about your logistics or schedule, answers your questions (in a positive way) or tells you about her logistics letting you know where she lives and when she is available. Eye contact and kino are fun but they're absolutely unreliable in terms of whether she's seriously interested in dates or sex…
/r/seduction26/12/19 05:52 PM
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When you're so busy gaming other women that you don't have time for someone who seems uninterested.
/r/seduction26/12/19 05:42 PM
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It's really hard to gauge the impression you make on people, so unless you're naturally an extremely jolly and approachable person, it takes conscious work. In my early teens I was hanging around with my friends on the street. Some smaller kid who I didn't even know but I suppose knew me from the school bus or something, started yelling at me from really far away. "HEY YOU! MAX! YOU THINK YOU'RE HOT SHIT DON'T YOU!" Most bizarre thing ever ... but I guess there was something about my way of tryi…
/r/seduction26/12/19 05:38 PM
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Excellent. Only one thing to add. "You should almost never take what a woman says at face value." AND ... women lie all the time. Not telling elaborate, made-up stories or false accusations, but they lie shamelessly about details, and other small things that they would rather a person not know. Usually to make things run more smoothly in their social/family life, or to get out of things they don't want to do. I was chatting with a woman last week. She's adopted and also has a relationship with h…
/r/seduction26/12/19 05:22 PM
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All I know is, I flirt sometimes very strongly with women who are very much "taken" and they love it. These are not women with a history of promiscuity, more like the opposite. Nice girls who behave very conventionally. But I hear from their female friends that they're very bored in their sex life. They're not unhappy in their relationship and not looking for a switch, so it's not a case of serial monogamy. I make it clear to them anyways that I'm a fuckboy so they are only thinking of me as a b…
/r/seduction24/12/19 09:02 PM
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Self love and acceptance. You probably have a lot of attractive characteristics that women would appreciate. Do you know what they are?
/r/seduction24/12/19 06:08 PM
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This. The trouble is, most men are so clueless they don't understand what women are trying to tell them. Not only the subtle hints but even when a woman flat-out tells them something. Maybe the habit of ignoring women is picked up by guys growing up and gradually becoming independent of their mother i.e. tuning her out and no longer listening to her or looking to her for approval. Note: may be relevant or not but I think that women are inherently polygamous almost as much as men are. But women a…
/r/seduction24/12/19 06:04 PM
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You have to be sociable and empathetic to the point where you know if it's going well or not. You won't even ask for a number unless you instinctively know it's going so well that there is a good chance she will give it to you. You can even set up a future activity first, and if she's nodding and smiling and saying "Yeah, okay!" THEN you exchange numbers because, duh, we're going to hang out. If the failure to get a number is bothering you and very puzzling then you have to do more approaches un…
/r/seduction24/12/19 05:54 PM
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Lied about what. Another bf or fuckbuddy?
/r/seduction24/12/19 05:40 PM
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What lie and what response
/r/seduction24/12/19 05:39 PM
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Deep down, nearly all women are beautiful and kind hearted. Keep telling yourself that, and in every woman you meet, look for that part of her. When you develop the skill of finding it, you will find it almost immediately. When women act cruel to men it is usually a defense against the man acting cruel to her. They fear rejection and harsh treatment. When you approach them with the attitude that they are beautiful, they will nearly always respond by trying to please you. As a shield against wome…
/r/seduction21/12/19 06:40 PM
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There is an "Encyclopaedia of Kino" out there floating around. I don't know of a massive collction of lines but there are lots of smaller collections out there. If you google "banter lines" you can probably assemble several hundred. Ultimately, learned techniques such as lines, kino and escalation are worthless unless the "real you" is driving the interaction. Many guys though recommend learning techniques as a beginning phase, like training wheels until you uncover and develop your natural, ins…
/r/seduction21/12/19 06:27 PM
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Sounds like a doctor is what you need. Don't guess, self medicate and take advice from the internet. You can still have a fun sex life even if your name isn't Dick Superschlong. Check out the book She Comes First written by a guy who had premature ejaculation problems. Bottom line, if you're really turned on with a woman and she loves and respects you, there is always a way.
/r/seduction21/12/19 06:20 PM
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These are awesome activities but I just want to say, the harder you go at these the more injury prone you will be. My buddy who is an MMA and Bjj fighter and instructor just spent months recovering from hip surgery and now needs his OTHER hip done. His brother who is a weight trainer and fitness therapist effed up his knee and just got surgery. Their other brother has a steel pin in his arm from crazy-assed long boarding and his girlfriend who does Bjj just ripped her knee ligament and needs sur…
/r/seduction21/12/19 06:12 PM
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Deep, evolutionary gender differences are more complicated than that. Instead of trying to analyze them, you can take a shortcut by trying to "get out of your head" and "get into your body" when you're interacting with women. That way, your natural instincts (and the girl's) will take over and whatever evolution intended you both to be, you will both act that way. It's more animalistic but it feels good because that is what you were programmed to be. This is the best way to avoid the self-doubt …
/r/seduction21/12/19 05:49 PM
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I'm only guessing and I apologize for being presumptuous. You probably have issues with your mother because the way she raised you. Or some other females from your childhood possibly with sisters or aunts. Or maybe it was the attitude and behavior of your father and other male relatives. You can overcome these issues if you analyze your past life in an honest way. In the end when you have understanding and forgiveness you can move on and have good relationships with women.
/r/seduction21/12/19 05:40 PM
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Excellent advice also the comment by u/loki___himself. Remember, everyone you meet everyday is also an opportunity to practice "game" including all kinds of conversation and flirting (joking around) and innocent kino such as hugs, back slapping, touching their arm, and so on. Meaning your family, roommates, co-workers, whatever.
/r/seduction21/12/19 05:32 PM
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There is a direct correlation on this reddit between the level of obsessive oneitis a guy has, and the length and un-readability of his posts. Short answer: look around you at all the hot women there are and pursue as many of them as possible, at the same time. Even if you start hitting it off with one of them, keep pursuing the others and always look to add more.
/r/seduction21/12/19 05:27 PM
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Some guys supposedly like a cowboy hat and/or cowboy boots. Was it Neil Strauss? Or somebody. Lance Mason (Pickup 101) studied with Mystery et al. and for a while wore a fancy coat with the security tag still attached. He said peacocking could get you some good attention but if you're not 100% confident then it will be a disaster and people will clown you all night. I don't peacock and I think it's unnecessary. If you dress well and carry yourself well then you ARE a peacock. Women and everyone …
/r/seduction21/12/19 03:43 AM
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First, wait a while before responding like you're also busy. Then say something that respects what she said, while still keeping things sexual. "OK I respect that completely. If we hangout as friends and we just happen to hug and kiss then absolutely NO TONGUE. I'll be watching you so don't try anything." Wait, 5 minutes then: "And you have to text me with lots of smileys like friends do [insert a bunch of smileys] otherwise I'll think you're getting serious." Then, go cold. Add her to your list…
/r/seduction21/12/19 03:31 AM
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You can develop your wit and ad-lib abilities but it takes some time and effort. Something I learned from a couple of different PUAs was, they said they used to have frustrating conversations with women so they went home and made notes. Wrote down what happened, who said what, and how it went over. Then they would try to think of "better responses" or other ways they could have reacted better. They said they did this "religiously" for a while, and if they approached 10 women they would go home a…
/r/seduction20/12/19 10:31 PM
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"They get too jealous" "Cause I dress so well women assume I'm gay." Which reminds me of one of the funniest scenes ever, in any movie: In the 60s epic movie "Giant", Elizabeth Taylor asks Rock Hudson, "How come a good looking guy like you never got married ?" In a feigned wimpy voice: "I'm saving myself for that special someone." "Cause I never asked anyone to be my girlfriend" "Been waiting for you, babe" "My Mom won't let me" Public service announcement: before the "Don't use #4 that is sooo …
/r/seduction20/12/19 10:05 PM
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I only watched the "how to flirt by Hank Moody" clips which are on youtube. What I saw was a guy who dresses and grooms well, moves and speaks well, and has a great attitude with women ... "You're kind of hot ... maybe we can fuck, but I don't care much either way". All of these things are worthy of emulation. Check for the more subtle things when he meets a woman for the first time. Utter calm and unreactiveness, good eye contact, just enough of a smirk and raised eyebrow to show interest. Not …
/r/seduction20/12/19 09:53 PM
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As far as I can tell this is the best place. It's good, but you can't really "learn pickup" here. Depending on how you like to learn, that takes a lot of study (books and teaching videos), or working with a coach, and especially lots of practice.
/r/seduction20/12/19 07:20 PM
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The book No More Mr Nice Guy might help you. If it doesn't and you still feel unworthy, circle back and read The Six Pillars of Self Esteem. Even if you're in a long term relationship, being seductive and flirtatious is still a good plan. Many books on pickup and dating can help with all kinds of tips on grooming, clothes, posture, conversation, sex advice, etc.
/r/seduction20/12/19 07:17 PM
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Study game. There are many good books, videos, web sites etc. to peruse. Here on reddit you will some good links to information and the occasional helpful tip but nobody is going to teach you how to pick up girls, as if it's like figuring out how to change a toilet gasket.
/r/seduction20/12/19 07:13 PM
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Lol if you're attractive you know it because of the way you are and the way you interact with people (in general, not just with hot babes). Who the hell "tests" their attractiveness?
/r/seduction20/12/19 07:08 PM
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I think you want to avoid women who want to fix you. Female oneitis is as bad as male oneitis. Maybe worse. I always assumed if they like a bad boy, it's because they crave the excitement and andrenaline. Everything from running up an escalator the wrong way, to being spanked and fucked like an animal.
/r/seduction20/12/19 07:03 PM
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Playing high value game is the only choice. Anything else is "low value" game which is no way to go around finding women. I'm not going to re-read this to try to come up with specific advice, but the general advice is, add her to your "cold" or "lukewarm" list of women who may be interested but are currently not extremely interested. You text them once a month or so with something totally non-needy, non-questioning, non-solicitous. WRONG: "Hi how are you?" WRONG: "Do you want to hang out sometim…
/r/seduction20/12/19 06:58 PM
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Whoops, the other book is "Starchy's Encyclopedia of Kino V3". It keeps moving around on the internet, but I'm sure you'll find it as guys keep saving it and making it available. I think he also made compilations of coaching advice on kissing and sex techniques.
/r/seduction20/12/19 05:05 PM
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There is a clear moral and legal distinction between "convincing" someone to have sex and "forcing" them to have sex. Using the ambiguous word "rapey" is not helpful. Would you say that a sales person who tells a hesitating customer "You look good in those shoes" is rob-y?
/r/seduction18/12/19 08:17 PM
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Upvoted. Guys who are instinctive "naturals" can wing it and be their natural selves but everyone else ... including most of the guys who came here to denouce this guy as cringey ... have to learn how to talk to women first using a script, until they develop (or rather recover) their natural instinct for flirting. Remember: it's not what you say but how you say it. The impression you leave is mostly determined by your body language, which is determined by your inner mental state. Most conversati…
/r/seduction18/12/19 07:56 PM
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It's good to learn about body language as you get to know yourself and get better at interacting with women, but ultimately you should "get out of your head" and deal with women on instinct. If this pursed lips thing is a sign she's anxious or tense then it may be because you are in your head, watching her and anxiously trying to decode her reactions to you in an intellectual way. Your tense emotional state has been conveyed to her and she's instinctively mirroring your tension. Instead you want…
/r/seduction18/12/19 07:32 PM
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They're doing it for fun and because they like you, so take it in that spirit. The practice you get flirting, bantering and touching your co-workers with nothing on the line except sheer pleasure will pay off big time in the dating scene. The interactions you have with attractive, available women will be exactly the same as with your unavailable co-workers, except there will naturally be more sexual tension and you will lead things towards hangouts and hookups. But the feeling of carefree fun sh…
/r/seduction18/12/19 07:24 PM
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Many guys say, ignore women's advice on how to pick up girls. But in the case of styling, you should absolutely seek the advice of women whose advice you trust. Could be a sister, your Mom, a hairdresser, shop assistant, whatever. Women love to help men groom and polish their looks. However you also need to develop your own taste and confidence otherwise you won't carry it off. Grooming of hair and beard is the first and most important place to start. Be open to new ideas and whatever you do, ke…
/r/seduction18/12/19 07:18 PM
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That's cool. Although we use the rude term "cockblock" for that, the only guys who get mad, flustered and frustrated by it are the kind of creepy betas that you SHOULD be screening out on behalf of your friends. A guy who's good with women is actually good FOR women. If the "girlfriend" objection is legit he's going to be happy for the women, if it's just a screen or a joke he's going to be, "Ha ha that's cute how girls watch out for each other."
/r/seduction18/12/19 05:13 PM
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This is banter. The words hardly matter. Delivery is everything. For guys reading this, it is not the "lines" that make you good with women. You get some points for being witty but mostly from your emotional state and the way it is reflected in your body language. You're there to amuse yourself and if someone wants to react to your approach by using the ridiculous/funny cockblock "I'm her girlfriend" then you have to reply in the same spirit. But also convey with your body language that you don'…
/r/seduction18/12/19 05:02 PM
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Check out the book Rapid Escalation by Liam Mcrae. It has lots of real world examples of how to start things slowly, and then move things along. After reading that book to get the gist of things then you might check out this thing called "Encyclopaedia of Escalation" which is a pdf floating around the internet. It's a huge compendium taken from many PUA coaches and forums. It will give you tons of ideas which I think will be easier to apply if you've already checked out Liam Mcrae's stories of h…
/r/seduction16/12/19 11:20 PM
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One of the best signs is when she either tells you about her logistics or asks you about yours. Such as: "My parents/roomates are away." "How close is your place?" "Do you have roommates?" And so on.
/r/seduction16/12/19 11:09 PM
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I got better in this area by doing three things: 1) Repeating affirmations such as, "Women find me attractive", "I feel and react with my body" and, "I have fun and I make other people have fun." 2) Getting better at socializing and conversation with my family and friends, people I see every day. Specifically working on listening better, being more fun and supportive, and eliminating sarcasm from my conversation. 3) Practicing eye contact. I practiced by staring into the eyes of pictures of beau…
/r/seduction16/12/19 10:50 PM
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All of them could do better, including me. The list of what they're doing wrong or that I haven't mastered yet is basically the table of contents of any good book or video course on pickup. Mostly they doubt themselves, have low self esteem, lack social skills, dress and groom shitty and have bad posture. It's your friends that are good with women that you really want to pay attention to. Seeing seductions happen IRL is a lot better than anything you will read in Models or Mystery Method. The ne…
/r/seduction16/12/19 07:04 PM
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Would a really cool guy who fucks a lot be fazed or even care much? No. So when she tells you that, you wanna say something like: "You're her girlfriend? Coool!" Or, "That is SO hot" And for bonus points: "I should talk to you later cause I'll bet you really how to ... you know ... ring her bell." But the whole time your body is pointed away and/or you're looking around the room or pretending you're sharing a joke with someone they can't see. Or you're looking at the girl you want while you're t…
/r/seduction16/12/19 06:58 PM
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If you decide to break the silence in the middle of your away time it should be something pretty provocative and/or saucy. The sky is the limit. It's fun to use your imagination and think of something salty. It has to be non-boring, non-needy and basically amount to, "I don't care all that much but anyhoo, let's fuck later on if I have the time." Or, something that says, "Having a good time with my other girls, wish u were here." This is one I used once and it went over big: ME: "Hey trouble" (w…
/r/seduction16/12/19 04:58 PM
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This guy is a troll who is obsessed with Gal Godot. He hasn't been around for a month or so. Mods pls go ahead and delete/block this guy.
/r/seduction16/12/19 04:25 AM
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Just do it! If you're flirting from the right place, they aren't going to judge you negatively, more like they'll admire you more. "The right place" is a big topic and depends a lot on your psychology and inner game. When you are in the right place you can confidently flirt with women in front of her friends, your friends, her father, mother, sister, boyfriend, husband, whatever.
/r/seduction16/12/19 04:21 AM
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The first one maybe not, but the next 2 for sure. I never gave it a name but you're right some girls do this. Maybe it's a more polite way of telling you, "Enough!" as alternative to just ghosting you. I don't think there is a "fix" other than, as soon as you pick up the "signing off" vibe, ghost her back, give her a timeout, and do something awesome for yourself. Especially if that means, texting, talking to or hanging out with other girls. Don't move on and forget her. But if she doesn't conta…
/r/seduction16/12/19 04:16 AM
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"... I don't feel like inventing a completely different character, pretending to be from somewhere else just to score local chicks ... " Understand completely. Maybe it's a matter of telling the same story a different way. You say you've been in other countries. Can you present your current status living in Paris to be, "Staying in Paris (at the moment)". Not lying but more like, "I move around, but I'm here right now". Are you ethnic in any way that is (a) useful and (b) could be emphasized?
/r/seduction15/12/19 06:03 PM
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No it's not dead. Those books are valuable as history but not as modern guides to getting good with women. Tons of more modern and "natural" coaches and guidebooks are available. Models by Mark Manson is a classic. Don't depend on just one or two books or coaches though or else you might get weird, misinterpreted ideas and habits. The sidebar of this reddit has a link (somewhere) to many books. Mystery Method BTW was revised and updated under the title Revelation by Venusian Arts. For some reaso…
/r/seduction15/12/19 05:25 PM
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Do foreign guys visiting your home area have huge numbers of matches? Just wondering if females are strongly attracted to exotic dudes on Tinder, or if you really live in a Sahara desert chick-wise. If it's (a) can you make yourself appear a lot more exotic or "bad" on Tinder? For example if you live in Wisconsin or Canberra (to give random examples) where Spanish guys score many Tinder dates (again a random guess) ... even if you're from there can you stir up similar feelings in chicks? Or, can…
/r/seduction15/12/19 04:56 PM
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I got pretty fit and strong, went from over 190 lb to 165 lb on a 5'11" frame. Got a whole new wardrobe of well fitting clothes. I also worked a LOT on my inner game and outer game. Lots of reading and thinking, and new skills such as affirmations, emotional intelligence, social skills, text game and also posture and body language. I gained the weight back for various reasons and I'm not doing workouts at the moment. But my confidence and ability to "game" stayed high in fact it gets better and …
/r/seduction15/12/19 04:45 PM
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When you are talking to people you are not a picture of a face like in the academic study. You're a living breathing human being and your facial expression, posture, eye movement, voice tonality, conversational skills, breathing rate, and your smell are only a few of the hundreds of factors that a person uses to judge you. Your facial bone structure and complexion are interesting to people but they say nothing about whether you're intelligent, respectful, funny, successful, good in bed, etc etc …
/r/seduction15/12/19 02:30 AM
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AFC Adam aka Adam Lyons has a long talk on youtube about various aspects of game. For a long time he had a flat in London which was a 2 minute walk from the night clubs. Perfect logistics. He got tired of his students telling him "Yeah it's easy for you to pull because your place is right there." So he made a rule for a while that he would only get with a girl at her place, never at his. It amounted to getting her number and setting up a day 2. He always did the day 2 date the same way, working …
/r/seduction14/12/19 09:18 PM
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The dreaded C-word, confidence, is more important thsn looks. But you can't become confident by doing nothing except mind control. It would be nice, but you can't. You have to do something, or especially a variety of things, to gain confidence. You can't buy improvements that give confidence, such as plastic surgery or getting a flashy car. It has to be things you accomplish. Not huge things, but stuff you really do. For me it was losing about 20 lb, getting a lot stronger but by no means ripped…
/r/seduction14/12/19 09:06 PM
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Worst possible thing is to be only working on one relationship with one girl at one time, via text. Guarantees you'll be paranoid, frustrated, anxious. I didn't get "good" or even reasonably satisfied with my texting ability and the relationships I was trying to develop over text, until I started working on a stable of women. Switching between them, trying different ways to stimulate and provoke them, giving the unresponsive ones timeouts, even trying the same teases on different women (who don'…
/r/seduction14/12/19 07:12 PM
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1) It's hard. For everyone. One of the biggest differences between you and an expert PUA is (probably) that they're texting a lot more women ... to increase their odds and to get better through practice. 2) The only real secret is, you have to have just the right amount of standoffishness (don't text her frequently) AND be pretty interesting, provocative and non-needy qhenever you do text her.
/r/seduction14/12/19 06:35 PM
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"How else would I know what a hot, gorgeous babe you are if I didn't check out other girls sometimes and compare?"
/r/seduction14/12/19 06:18 PM
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" ... most of the work and lifestyle (drugs/gambling) I am involved in is not interesting or even off putting for most of your run of the mill girls ... " Let me put it this way: other than a woman who wants to get drugs or money from you, can you imagine an attractive and interesting woman who will find you and your lifestyle of drugs and gambling attractive and interesting? It's a serious question not a put-down. Drugs and gambling and the danger associated with them are a "high" all on their …
/r/seduction11/12/19 06:09 PM
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No difference. Or rather, if you are destined to have a long term vs. a short term relationship, it should roll out naturally from how you get along with each other as opposed to scheming and "acting" one way or another. In theory anyways.
/r/seduction11/12/19 05:54 PM
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Don't divide the world into these categories: 1) Ordinary people with whom I have no interest in approaching, talking to, or being friendly with. 2) Beautiful women whom I would like to approach and act charming with so that I can fuck them. If that is how you see the world, approach anxiety is unavoidable because deep down you know that this is a socially illegitimate way of acting. In other words it's very beta.
/r/seduction11/12/19 05:50 PM
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The video was lost when youtube nuked his Chen City channel and he didn't put it on his new Chen University channel. However, he has a private facebook group called I think Chen City and I wouldn't be surprised if it's on there. Also recommend his "threesome" video as a classic daygame demonstration ... with a twist. I suspect it was the one that got his old channel deleted. Probably due to insufficient anonymizing more than the content.
/r/seduction10/12/19 10:36 PM
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One doesn't become a world class pole vaulter by trying to leap the highest bars and not studying any technique or practicing the basic moves at slow speed. And pole vaulters practically invented inner game by supplementing study and practice with meditation and visualization exercises. A naturally talented person might learn that way, but the average guy who wants to get better with women tends to be socially backward. It might take years of failure and a lot of frustration and stress if his on…
/r/seduction10/12/19 07:07 PM
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If you use "Say please", understand that this is humorous role playing, not a serious invitation to BDSM. Ciel aka Chen City aka Chen University used to have this video where he texted and then phoned a Tinder match to set up a date. He got fairly raunchy in a humorous way (to set the tone) and in the middle of the voice chat says, "Call me Mister Ciel." She goes: "Whaaattt!!??" And he says, "Call me Mister Ciel Sir" (or something) and she starts giggling and just says, "Shut up!" in a girlie vo…
/r/seduction10/12/19 05:00 PM
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Yes it works but read widely, watch a lot of different coaches' videos, compare and contrast and find your way individually. No one "system" works magically.
/r/seduction10/12/19 04:26 PM
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Cheer up ... nearly all of us are brought up in a cult that distorts our perceptions of male/female relationships ... called Mass Media. There are no drastic steps you can take (other than realizing you've been brainwashed). You have to study game, read up on self help books about psychology and relationships, etc. Slowly you will learn about yourself and about how dating and mating work in the real world. Try to be sociable and get with women while you're learning. You will stumble a lot but if…
/r/seduction10/12/19 04:24 PM
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You tell me ... because you were there gauging the women's reactions: did the DHV stories really get you anywhere? Or do you think that merely having a warm vibe and not talking about yourself very much might have got you further. There is a way of mentally projecting higher value through body language. Sort of like ESP. If your DHVs were telling her you've travelled to South America (say) ... don't actually say that but instead smile at her warmly and only THINK to yourself, "Babe you're cute! …
/r/seduction10/12/19 04:15 PM
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One of his secrets is years and years of practice. He started out doing only night game, where according to Richard LaRuina aka Gambler, he would force IOIs by doing a silly dance move. Richard illustrates it in this video lecture he does on night game. Reading between the lines, I suspect that after doing night game for 10 years or so, Steve was able to simplify his technique from a dance move down to just eye contact. Then translated it to day game. To move things along and not take 10 years, …
/r/seduction10/12/19 04:05 PM
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Natural game for sure. It is still necessary to study game technique, especially if you are not already a smooth, socially adept person. But it is desirable to transition into natural game as fast you can. It is not even necessary to "push" to become natural. It will inevitably happen as the technique lessons are internalized and you function more and more by instinct and less and less by consciously following a technique. A great video lecture is "Saturday Sarging" with Beckster. He is a long-t…
/r/seduction10/12/19 03:49 PM
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You can't "make sure" that something happens with a girl, there are too many variables not least of which is her choices. The more stress you give yourself over sealing the deal, the more tense you will be and the greater the chance she will feel the tension and resist any pressure. Tell yourself, I'm gonna have a fun concert with a sweet girl. That mindset is the most attractive thing you can do. Good luck.
/r/seduction01/12/19 11:16 PM
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I think that eye contact has to come from a place where you're thinking, "Hey you look interesting", or beautiful, or it's nice to see you, or some other warm and friendly vibe. If you're making eye contact without that feeling of warmth toward the person then it might be perceived as threatening or creepy. If you make eye contact with genuine warmth then the question of "how long" doesn't come up. The emotional connection tends to lead naturally to starting conversation, breaking out in a smile…
/r/seduction01/12/19 08:56 PM
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As a pickup or seduction technique? Sometimes it might work as a pre-emptive move when you think that the girl is about to friendzone you as a kind of shit test to see if you're weak or not. Or after she does it to you, you friendzone her back, like, "You can't friendzone me, I'm friendzoning YOU!" I haven't done this a lot but the idea is, you want to her to think, "What's wrong with me, why didn't he act all needy and hurt the way other guys do when I reject them?" For example a girl I had a c…
/r/seduction01/12/19 05:40 AM
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Asking questions like "Hey how are you, how's the vacation?" seem really lame and needy. One thing you could try is to re-initiate contact with a non-sequitur. Meaning something that doesn't make sense and doesn't really have an answer. Or that sounds like you meant to text someone else and you texted her by accident. Such as: "Hey trouble" Then you go quiet and don't text her again. As if you were going to ask her something but got distracted or busy and you forgot about her. This one might be …
/r/seduction01/12/19 05:15 AM
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The skill of being able to look any beautiful women in the eyes, and listen and talk to her in a completely calm and fearless way. I'm not sure what level or step that represents. It's not like it made me into a master PUA. Maybe more of an "advanced beginner". But it felt like a really big step and I haven't felt like the same person since I gained this skill. Practically nothing that any guy or girl says to me fazes me any more. It feels like a Zen state (or something). It happened to me after…
/r/seduction01/12/19 05:02 AM
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It helps a ton if you have several women that you're texting on a regular basis, and this woman is just one of the ones you're keeping in play. Somehow when you have just one woman that you're talking to, texting, or whatever ... there's something about what you write/say and when you do it, that women can figure out that you're kind of desperate. When you're gaming several women (or more ... there is really no limit) you have a "hey babe what's up, not that I care very much" vibe that they sens…
/r/seduction01/12/19 04:42 AM
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I can't help you with Spain but I will tell you, it is very very common for guys to think that other countries are seduction havens where the girls are easy, but their own country is really bad because the women are snobby, mouthy, have fatitude, are gold diggers or whatever. So they travel to another country and voila they get laid. Part of it is the mindset that "I'm a nobody in my home country" and everyone from here can tell. So we're socially shy when at home. Another part of it is that whe…
/r/seduction30/11/19 05:53 PM
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Similar to the issue of whether you should wear overpriced designer clothing with prominent labels. Even if there are a few women who are attracted to that look, they're the wrong kind of women i.e. gold diggers who are impressed and obsessed with money and with the most superficial indications of status.
/r/seduction30/11/19 05:27 PM
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No joke, I saw a PUA lecture from several years ago and the guy said he wore a clown costume or a sandwich board that said something ridiculous and walked through his downtown. He said, when you do that and talk to people whom you meet, and you realize that nothing bad happens to you, you will never have social anxiety again. It's that fear of being ostracized or punished for being ridiculous. At middle school or high school maybe you'll be punsished but anywhere else, forget it. People take you…
/r/seduction30/11/19 05:21 PM
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Treat questions they raise about other women exactly like the shit tests that they are. Apply the 5 typical responses: 1) Ignore completely and change the subject, like it's of absolutely zero interest to you. 2) Smile at her like she's cute for asking. The unspoken frame is, "Of course you're a bit jealous, why not I mean, look at me!" 3) Turn it back on her: "Hmm yeah babe and who have you been dating? A hot girl like you, I gotta keep my eye on you." 4) Agree and amplify: "Oh yeah babe I'm th…
/r/seduction30/11/19 02:44 AM
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Just a side note, a while ago I listened to an old 21 Convention lecture by Jonathan "Manwhore". He explained that he got the nickname because at one point he was shagging a succession of females who all knew each other and they were basically passing him around ... the nickname was how they described him to their friends and was a compliment. A similar story. Although a very sad one, it's a data point that we can learn from. Years ago there was a newspaper story about a bunch of ladies who all …
/r/seduction30/11/19 01:07 AM
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Dwayne is very cool. I started following him as an example of a Cool Bald Guy. Lately though he seems like a bit of a try-hard. Which is absolutely OK for him, he's so damn successful. But he is the opposite of I Don't Give A Fuck. Wil Smith is my role model for being the funniest, warmest personality I've ever seen. As a seducer, right now Hank Moody is my hands-down favorite. Even in X Files, when I think back I remember David Duchovny having so much magnetism he stole every scene from the gir…
/r/seduction29/11/19 08:08 PM
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This one got a good reaction. The girl has never overtly flirted with me before, however she's earthy and sensual and the last time I saw her IRL she hugged me and said I smelled good. She had made me a lemon pie. Leaving out the emojis ... ME: "I just had a lemon pie orgasm" HER: "Good! Have another piece and have another orgasm!" ME: "Made a sticky mess all over the place ..." ME: "Your fault! Lol" HER: "Lol!" Two recent failures (?) ... One, we were discussing medicine and 1st aid, I told her…
/r/seduction29/11/19 07:55 PM
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The dude from Californication (David Duchovny). I never watched the series but the "flirting" excerpts on youtube are the best lessons in "let's fuck and forget all the other bullshit" I've ever seen. The idea of.him worrying what one of his comquests has seen about him on social media seems absurd.
/r/seduction29/11/19 07:30 PM
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It's essentially a shit test so the 5 types of response are applicable. 1) Ignore it and change the subject. 2) Smile sweetly as if she's cute for trying. 3) Turn it around: "Hey! You're kind of cute but I'm not looking right now." 4) Go with it and amplify to an absurd level: "Baby I know you're taken but I love you! Leave him for me, let's run away to Vegas and get married!" 5) Call it out. "Damn you're the biggest tease ever! You trying to turn me on so you can blow me off and laugh at me?"
/r/seduction29/11/19 06:39 PM
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Lately my strategy has been, when things are getting fairly dry, drop some more or less blatantly sexual banter, leave it at that and allow her to either pick up the bait, ignore it or block me. It's sort of like saying, "We should fuck, otherwise, whatever ... " The idea is, if she remembers you at all it's as "the guy who fucks" not "the needy guy who keeps asking for a date". Or worse, "needy guy who keeps asking me how my day is going".
/r/seduction29/11/19 06:16 PM
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It is a good trait to develop, to get in the state of seeking out, admiring and appreciating guys and girls that are cooler than you. You don't have to faun over them, just smile and say to yourself, "That's a cool guy." Feeling inferior and anxious around cool people is a really strong beta trait. And it's all in your head. Therefore it's easier to change than it is to say, get taller or become a star athlete. Being easygoing and realistic in your appreciation of cool people is itself a very co…
/r/seduction29/11/19 06:01 PM
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Sounds kind of Junior High School. You might find that the people who "do" IG and who follow it the most obsessively tend to be stuck in that insecure, adolescent emotional state. Try this: ask yourself, what would Hank Moody do on IG? Would he give a damn what anyone posts there, other than maybe looking for the next opportunity to meet and seduce a hot babe?
/r/seduction29/11/19 05:45 PM
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My weight has gone up and down swinging back and forth by up to 30 lb a couple of times over 2 years. Between about 165 and 195 on a 5'11" frame. Not obese but def an overweight BMI. I prefer the slimmer "me" but when I was learning game I got better posture and also started to dress far better with well fitting pants, shirts and sweaters. I caught a glimpse of my overweight self in the mirror the other day and I was like, 👍 attaboy. Not just the clothes and posture but I became very calm and at…
/r/seduction29/11/19 05:33 PM
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BTW if you haven't seen it yet the book "Rapid Escalation" by Liam Mcrae is full of insightful field reports by a guy who really taught himself to Just Go For It.
/r/seduction29/11/19 05:16 PM
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Lots of chubby guys are attractive to women. If you have been brainwashed by Hollywood and media to believe otherwise, try to de-program yourself. Once you have a more realistic viewpoint on your attractiveness you will be (a) happier and (b) probably better able to deal with your weight since you aren't as burdened by guilt and hopelessness.
/r/seduction29/11/19 03:12 AM
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FYI that book was updated by some of Mystery's presumably more sane coaching colleagues. The revised book is called Revelation By Venusian Arts. But that book seems to have been much less successful. It quickly went out of print and now is available only as a pirate download e.g. torrent, or as a very expensive used hard copy. From a quick perusal, I gather that Revelation is a lot more reasonable. It explains the old stupid tricks but with the warning that, these are only learning tools to use …
/r/seduction29/11/19 03:07 AM
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You have to feel lighthearted and like you're having fun, inside your body. When you're in that state it's impossible to hide your humor. It comes bubbling out either as humorous lines and chit chat, or even if you're quiet it comes out through your body language and laughter. If you practice smiling in front of the mirror when you're alone, this actually makes it easier to smile spontaneously in social situations. It's a natural reflex which many of us have to re-learn through deliberate practi…
/r/seduction29/11/19 02:43 AM
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The most telling line in your story is, "I don't know what I really want". That's no biggie, better to admit that than to chase girls or not chase them because of somebody else telling you what to do. In your case, the dreaded friendzone might be a good place to hang out for a while. Until you really understand women, you can't possibly decide what role they should have in your life. As friends, casual lovers, steady gf or whatever. I include getting more friendly with your Mom, sisters, aunts, …
/r/seduction29/11/19 02:34 AM
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I made a breakthrough when I started to listen to women with much more attention, and (paradoxically) trying less hard to think of something lighthearted and funny to say. When you relax and listen to someone, it actually frees your mind and based on what she says you are more likely to think of something light and playful to say. The jokes come bubbling up unbidden. And if they don't, that's ALSO good because you can listen to her with a relaxed, pleasant smile or quizzical smirk on your face w…
/r/seduction29/11/19 02:04 AM
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You can show strength and an iron-clad "I don't give a fuck" attitude by offering to set her up with other guys, or at least going through the motions. Nothing else tells a girl, "I'm so high status I absolutely couldn't care less if you fall for me, in fact I'll throw you away like trash on another guy." Just say, "Hey you're single right? We should find you a guy. C'mon let's go out tonight and I'll try to set you up." If she calls your bluff and agrees, then bring her out and keep "honestly" …
/r/seduction29/11/19 01:57 AM
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I think the "no period" advice is solid. I also concluded that you should seldom use a question mark (?) because it tends to make you look weak and supplicating. "What time should I pick you up how about 8" is better than: "What time should I pick you up how about 8?" Subtle but effective IMHO.
/r/seduction29/11/19 01:49 AM
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LOL sorry ... when I look at it right now, these emojis look terrible. On my phone where I typed it, it was clearly a tornado and 2 red slippers, i.e. she reminded me of Dorothy from The Wizard of Oz. Which I typed because, she had just told me that "there is no better place for you than home". Here's a good lesson that undercuts my advice to use emojis: beware that the clever looking emojis on your phone may look completely different on her phone. I guess that's why sending GIF memes is better …
/r/seduction29/11/19 01:46 AM
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Good report, much appreciated especially that you tracked down the links to the ideas etc. that you referred to. I was just joking with a girl about "call me Daddy" the other day when I was flirting with her via text. I had sent her the graphic called "Leonardo DiCaprio Refuses to Date Women Under Age 25". She started to complain about how, ugh, unfortunately there are too many women out there who still want to date him. I told her, "Well it wouldn't be so bad except he keeps insisting that they…
/r/seduction29/11/19 01:39 AM
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You have to BE non needy. If you are non-needy then how could you ever give the impression you are needy? It takes work on your inner game to get this way.
/r/seduction28/11/19 05:28 PM
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What actually works is to be "in state" yourself and to transfer that state to the girl through mirroring and vice versa. There is nothing supernatural about it but it uses very subtle almost invisible cues such as pupil dilation, respiration and heart rate, skin temperature and pheromones.
/r/seduction28/11/19 05:02 PM
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Depends on the girl, but if you're a witty guy they help add humor. Being fun is attractive. Conveying your sense of fun with words alone is possible, but difficult. Look for emojis that convey ideas other than just "laughing" and "eye rolling". For example use one of these when you text something naughty: 🙊🙉🙈. You can tease with emojis too: 🌪🥿🥿 get it?
/r/seduction28/11/19 04:40 PM
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I can't think of any "excuse" that wouldn't come off as fake. "Excuse me, can I borrow your charging cable?" ... see what I mean. Maybe better to get the "I'm attracted to you" part out of the way. Be bold, it's the truth after all. The frame is, you're cute, I respect if you're not attracted to me but I'm still attracted to you no matter what.
/r/seduction28/11/19 03:48 PM
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In terms of mating behavior, we not very different from our primate relatives. Especially when you strip away the societal taboos and so-called "norms" that are programmed into us by family, church, school, and media. It doesn't mean that we should rut like animals, it means we have to acknowledge our inner, instinctive programming. Accept it and use it as a natural advantage that is a gift of millions of years of evolution. The specific reference to chimps is this: in a troop of primates, it is…
/r/seduction27/11/19 05:09 PM
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It takes study and practice IMHO but what I did was google "banter lines" and made a huge collection from many sources. I would read them every so often and try to get the rhythm and feeling of the lines. Especially the sexually suggestive ones. Then, with women who I was having otherwise dry text conversations with, I would start to deliberately slip in suggestive banter. Using canned lines verbatim isn't the best, but I found that after months of reading and practice I got good at freestyling,…
/r/seduction27/11/19 04:20 PM
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If you feel sexy, desirable and horny ... and you can relax enough to let the feeling flow through you ... be in your body and not in your head worrying about it ... then you will tend to project it and it will be an attractive vibe. The trick about baldness is, if you're going bald then BE bald and make it your look. Or if you decide to wear a wig, do it flamboyantly and be like, yeah the wig is my look. You don't even have to act defiant. If you absolutely do not acknowledge that there is any …
/r/seduction27/11/19 04:03 PM
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You say, "Hey sorry I see you're really busy I just wanted to say 'hi' cause you're kind of cute. I'm Joe, you have a big deadline or something or were you actually hoping a cute guy would hit on you? No? Well too bad cause it happened." And go with the flow from there. I mean really ... if you were seriously busy and had to finish something on your laptop would you go to a coffee shop? The girl is trolling, and wants to meet a cute guy. Make that your frame and stick to it.
/r/seduction27/11/19 03:49 PM
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I recommend practicing being fun, funny and social on family, close friends, casual acquaintances at work and school, and people you randomly meet in the course of your day. Except for being in a heightened state of attraction, it's like 95% identical to the way that you interact with women.
/r/seduction22/11/19 11:20 PM
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The essential first successes are not approaching and getting laid, but learning how to be at ease in a public setting, be relaxed and have fun. When you can do that consistently (it won't take long once you treat it as your mission) then you should find that you can both approach people, and people will approach you because of your fun and relaxed vibe.
/r/seduction22/11/19 10:44 PM
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When you can't think of clever banter, just smirk at her and remember your frame: she's hot for you, she's acting cute in whatever banter or shit test she's giving you, and you're not sure yet if she's good enough. Tell yourself: I love women. Are you one of the hot ones who's worth my time? A really quick up-and-down look at her body might be good. Possibly even better is to give her laser eye contact while you carefully avoid looking at her body, but convey to her that appreciating her body an…
/r/seduction22/11/19 10:41 PM
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You would think they're the same ... but the same lessons when you attempt to apply them in the pursuit of a single girl don't work compared to when you apply them "across the board". Being in love or infatuated with a single girl just isn't attractive.
/r/seduction22/11/19 01:44 AM
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Many guys are anti-emoji and I understand why. For a while I tried to just go along with the girl's style ... use lots of emojis if she does, use none if she doesn't. But then I thought, that's not exactly leading. And you have to pass girls through filters of romantic/sexual interest and kick things out of the friendzone, right? I remembered advice from the old PUA coach Lance Mason about kino. He said, imagine you have an Italian uncle or aunt who touches and hugs people all the time. Nobody r…
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:30 PM
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Nothing works on "just one girl" except sometimes, just being yourself lol. Even if an expert PUA gave you a master list of conversational or mood-setting tricks, if you try to use them on just one girl that you have an obsessive crush on, you'll fuck it up. Being needy for just one girl is a turn-off and no amount of pretending to be a confident ladies' man is going to fool her.
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:08 PM
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You're probably not at this age or place in life yet, but as I've got older I've left my ex's far behind in attractiveness. It's not that I'm such a prize, but by keeping fit, dressing well and learning the many aspects of game, as a male I have a huge advantage over my ex's. Just yesterday on facebook I saw this girl from high school who I never dated but we always had a thing for each other. She was HOT back in the day. A cute little short girl with a wasp waist and big tits. Nothing against h…
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:00 PM
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You can't pretend that you're more handsome or tall than you are and pull it off. What you do is, you believe you're awesome just the way you are and you act that way. Women react to confidence not because it tricks them into thinking you're handsome or athletic, but because deep down it says, "Here is a guy with great connections to awesome people who can take care of me and our offspring". An alpha is respected as a leader. A leader doesn't have to kill an elephant or seduce the hottest maiden…
/r/seduction21/11/19 03:39 PM
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The problem is because (I assume) in order to be somewhat politically correct, the founders of this sub picked the name "seduction" instead of what it was meant to be, "PUA". Meaning how to get good with women in general instead of how to seduce this one chick. So people see the name of the sub and figure, here's how I learn tricks for seducing that guy or girl. For the guys who like to give carefully thought out advice to people with oneitis, instead of writing 10 paragraphs only to see the mod…
/r/seduction21/11/19 03:27 PM
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I went to a karaoke bar just once in my life and I was amazed at the sexually charged atmosphere. It was a while ago ... I didn't know game then, I didn't get up to sing and I didn't get laid ... but ever since I've been thinking ... wow ... gotta go back. It wasn't all hotties it was all ages and looks. But the guys and especially girls were feeling it so much. Some of the couples looked approachable, possibly a girl and her gay friend or maybe they were down for a little MFM. The atmosphere wa…
/r/seduction21/11/19 03:14 PM
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Very nice! IMHO not a rejection. I see a spark of interest wrapped in a subtle shit test. Some A-game responses may keep the ball(s) in play. Let me try some freewheeling brainstorming. Your frame is: "She's cute. She's into me. It's cute how she says she's not looking for anything. But it's absurd, she's definitely interested." Here are some standard shit test responses, with my suggestions for how to spin them: 1) Ignore and continue gaming. Wait a week or two, ask her to hang out as if it's t…
/r/seduction19/11/19 04:55 PM
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First mission, rid yourself of the feeling that a guy who talks to women he doesn't know and shares a friendly moment with them is a "pickup creep". There is no such thing as a non creepy opener, the creepiness or lack of it is in your self image. Yad the London daygame coach said his frame is "I'm a beautiful man giving a girl a beautiful moment".
/r/seduction19/11/19 04:25 PM
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At first you can be the shy guy who smiles at her from across the room or from down the hall when you see her. When you leave or she leaves, try the really subtle, down-low wave goodbye. You keep your hand below your waist and sort of flip the fingers up. Like you're her secret lover and it's like, "bye babe c u next time". You will have to become a more outgoing guy at some point but maybe stuff like this can get you started.
/r/seduction19/11/19 04:20 PM
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If you want to draw a line you could just stare at her for 5 minutes while she's on her phone. In an amused way. And even though you didn't check your own phone at all, tell her: "Hey. Something just came up. I gotta go take care of something. Gotta go! You take care ok? I'll talk to you soon." Give her a sweet kiss, walk out and go home. Your frame as usual is all-important. You're not pissed at all but your time is valuable and on a strictly rational basis, you have better things to do than wa…
/r/seduction18/11/19 05:42 PM
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If you're a fun and entertaining guy and you love the scintillating back and forth banter on a date, then be that guy. If you don't particularly care for scintillating chatter and you know you're going to be having awesome sex in an hour or so, then just roll with it. Act amused and patient like, hmmm you won't be reaching for your phone later cause I'm going to have your hands pinned to the bedpost and you wouldn't know how to spell "Ahhhhhhhrrrrr" in a text anways. Even if it's (b) every so of…
/r/seduction18/11/19 05:04 PM
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Ok. There's some stuff to be learned there from Jack, but if you haven't got a lot of time I would go straight to the Hank Moody clips. Ultimately, Jack is an easygoing guy which is good, but not seductive like David Duchovny. I was even impressed with DD in X-Files when I was trying to catch up on them recently. He really blew away the girl in terms of charisma and sex appeal. Guys who don't know game or don't believe in it will tell you it's because of his handsome features but screw that. Loo…
/r/seduction18/11/19 04:52 PM
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Ah but you can learn poise and cool. It's a matter of state of mind, not unalterable bone structure. We use techniques such as meditation and visualization to UN-learn the un-poised, un-cool brainwashing we went through as boys and young men.
/r/seduction17/11/19 04:14 PM
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Sitting at home alone, do a visualization exercise where you're with the girl again and you do "something" awesome that totally wins the day. Don't visualize any exact moves, just imagine that you're feeling an awesome, mutual, physical vibe, and everything just clicks. Do that repeatedly, especially before your next date or the next time you go out to game or socialize. Visualize yourself as an awesome, fun, spontaneous, sexual guy. The more you do this, the more it will happen. It works becaus…
/r/seduction17/11/19 04:07 PM
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Pretend you think he wants to grind with you and you're into it. Go for the makeout and when he runs away, the girl is all yours.
/r/seduction17/11/19 04:00 PM
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Look at the clips of Hank Moody flirting.
/r/seduction17/11/19 03:58 PM
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Ok let me help out a bit here. A shit test is a girl attempting to determine if you belong in the class of guys where she assigns her immature little brother, dweebs from her high school who got pushed into lockers, and the loser from accounting who keeps "dropping by" her cubicle to talk about his workout. A neg, such as "I don't know who your boyfriend is but he isn't spanking you enough", is where you try to defeat her frame and replace it with the frame, "Look babe, you're kind of hot ... bu…
/r/seduction17/11/19 03:56 PM
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I've never done speed dating. And I've never read a story about it that made me think, hmmm I should give this a try. It seems like there is a natural, instinctive way that dating and mating happens based on millenia of evolution ... and speed dating was designed by someone extremely neurotic and beta whose entire purpose was to neutralize and defeat those behaviors. I would accept "failure to succeed at speed dating" as a solid win. Keep on doing everything else, you'll do fine.
/r/seduction17/11/19 03:35 PM
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Stop whining. If you're attracted to women that are taller than you then keep trying til you succeed. Caveat: you won't succeed as long as you are obsessed with your height.
/r/seduction17/11/19 03:27 PM
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Whether you seek or get a threesome or not, enjoy the feeling of fun and freedom. Revel in it, add the girl to your list of "warm" prospects and use the near-success as a boost of motivation to keep chasing women.
/r/seduction17/11/19 03:24 PM
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The field of PUA exists because while most men are capable of being naturally charming and attractive, they have layers of dysfunctional behaviors acquired through years of brainwashing. Both societal and self-induced. Do you want a list of these inhibitions or can you think of some of them yourself? To say, "just be yourself" to the average guy who is unsatisfied with his dating and sex life is telling him, "act guilty about wanting sex, never touch her without permission, don't crack any jokes…
/r/seduction17/11/19 03:21 PM
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We call it game but it's more like you're gaming yourself. Not to be someone you aren't and to present that fake person to the world ... for most guys it's a process of losing a neurotic, unattractive persona they've developed over the years and recovering the instinctive, primitive, attractive man who's always been lurking inside. There is nothing tricky or manipulative about dressing and grooming better, getting fit, becoming a better conversationalist who's fun to be around, and being good in…
/r/seduction17/11/19 02:42 AM
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Yad on youtube has the right attitude. I'm a beautiful man sharing a beautiful moment with a girl. If that doesn't summarize your approaches and your interactions with women, no problem: re-examine your attitude and your opinion of yourself and what you're doing, recalibrate and continue. The discomfort you feel about what you're doing might be because you haven't quite reached that state of "I love myself and I love everybody" that you need to.
/r/seduction17/11/19 02:03 AM
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Engineered Lifestyle has some examples and breakdowns.
/r/seduction16/11/19 11:40 PM
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Tell me more. Are the women if and when you get them either not very sexually responsive, are they repressed, congenital gold diggers, what? I've always been intrigued by Indian women having worked with a lot of them in high tech, but have not yet taken a run at an Indian babe since learning game.
/r/seduction16/11/19 11:39 PM
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Guys who have "poise" meaning a calm, confident expression ARE considered good looking. I won't assign a number to it but your poise and level of coolness is certainly more important in attraction than your facial bone structure and amount of hair. It's why for example some fairly ugly and doughy faced guys have played James Bond successfully. The coolness. This is a dumb argument to have every week on reddit because no matter whether your coolness and poise is 80%, more than 50% or only 20% of …
/r/seduction16/11/19 11:32 PM
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You mean, as an exercise put your palms together and say, "I really wanna know" and, "I really care". Then become that guy in conversation?
/r/seduction16/11/19 11:21 PM
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Unhelpful navel gazing topic. Every guy who wants to get better with women has certain problems or sticking points. Each guy therefore needs customized solutuons. You get them either by giving an experienced coach a lot of money to observe and help fix your specific problems, or by reading and watching coaching materials from a variety of teachers and therapists and picking and choosing the parts that are helpful to you. Some guys need to work on issues of self esteem or need to get over Nice Gu…
/r/seduction15/11/19 10:10 PM
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At first when you start to break out of your old, low-status role people will test you or even try to smack you back down. As your confidence grows and becomes locked in, they don't test you any more. Just keep working on it and be patient. One day you will realize, it's mean months since anyone gave you the slightest grief.
/r/seduction15/11/19 07:25 PM
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Practice and observation. You should be part of a wide family and social network which helps you learn to assess people's characters, motivations and emotions. It would be nice if we could be a self-contained, lone wolf PUA like Boomhauer in King of the Hill who was born understanding women but the truth is we only become wise to women by listening and asking questions like Bobby Hill. Bobby Hill would probably say, "Hey I saw you looking at me, what's your name? Wanna go get a coffee?"
/r/seduction15/11/19 07:18 PM
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No. Ridiculous. There are tons of good PUA coaches out there. Some of them are ex RSD and some have never had anything to do with RSD and have a very different approach. Which is a good thing. Believe me later but RSD breaking up is good for PUA and good for men (and women). If guys were teaching crap before and got away with it because of RSD marketing/brand, they're going to have to improve if they want to prosper as independents. The best coaches with the best ideas are going to do really wel…
/r/seduction15/11/19 03:54 AM
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I would wait a few years. Honestly. So many things can fuck you up at 13 yo. No pun intended. Sorry to sound like your Dad or preacher but man I had condoms break on me when I was 16 and it could have ended my chance for an education and a productive life. Couple of my friends used condoms ... and apparently something went wrong because their 13 yo girlfriends got pregnant. Those guys never came back to school but I saw them working digging holes around town for the road crew and pushing baby ca…
/r/seduction15/11/19 03:46 AM
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Until you are very comfortable talking with everyone regardless of whether they are a hot babe, a dude, an ugly woman, a child or whatever, you will have problems approaching attractive women. When you have become an all-round social guy THEN you can concentrate on just approaching HBs if you want. If you're not very sociable it's very difficult ... maybe impossible ... to become sociable by only practicing on HBs that you cold approached. There aren't that many HBs around, and the difficulty of…
/r/seduction14/11/19 08:37 PM
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Look on the reddit sidebar. Somewhere over there is an archived post with a long list of book recommendations voted on by redditors. Most recommended book must be Models by Mark Manson. A solid book good to start with. This is an example of what we call "natural game", or picking up girls by acting normal. Many guys swear by Mystery Method. I think the updated version called Revelation by Venusian Arts is a better choice. It is "technical game", using lines, routines and props until you can deve…
/r/seduction14/11/19 02:52 AM
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At some point after months to a year or more of learning game I learned and absorbed 2 vital lessons. 1) Good looking guys are good looking and I admire and appreciate them especially if they're cool. Good for them. 2) Almost nobody I meet has has ANY game not even the good looking guys. I have WAY more game. I can't even help it any more, I just became that guy. I'm not anxious at all. I'm not hung up on getting numbers or getting laid I'm just that guy, who's not afraid to talk and flirt with …
/r/seduction14/11/19 01:59 AM
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The best advice nearly always comes from experienced PUA coaches who have spent years overcoming their personal limiting beliefs, and then spent years teaching guys one on one and in boot camps. All of the myths and political correct bullshit are set aside and whatever works and is also ethical is brought forward. No needs to ask random women, watch TED talks or read books by shrinks. Unless the shrink is talking about his specific field of therapy, his "generic" advice is useless. A woman's adv…
/r/seduction14/11/19 01:32 AM
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Excellent list, thank you. I was walking around today and realized I was channeling Hank Moody from Californication. Almost a complete example of what you're talking about. Guys reading this advice be patient with yourself, from when you start working on this stuff to when you realize you're actually doing it might be 6 months to more than a year. But don't worry it's unstoppable once your frame is locked in.
/r/seduction14/11/19 01:10 AM
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Where did you get all these "rules". I think it's a mistake for anyone to read just one book on pickup or dating. That's a recipe for failure IMHO. What you want to do is read at least 5 books plus some self help books for inner game, then go out and try the most sensible sounding advice that you retained from each book. Specifically wrt to eye contact, when you grab and hold eye contact with someone it has to be because you're coming from a place where you're thinking, "I find you really intere…
/r/seduction14/11/19 01:02 AM
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Excellent list. Can you elaborate on "don't break circle" ?? Also, I don't understand "Exaggerate low-confidence resembling movements" Thanks
/r/seduction13/11/19 03:58 PM
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Ok sounds like the perfect scenario to be welcoming on your own terms. Act like it's cool that they're so busy, and since you know they're kind of hot for you, maybe it would be fun to hang out when and if you're both available. Or try to accomodate them but convey that it's no big deal cause it happens to fit in with what you were doing anyways.
/r/seduction13/11/19 03:53 PM
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Only in the mind of the beta who is challenging them. If a beta gets in the face of an alpha like he wants to prove something the alpha is like, ho hum ... no point engaging this little one he can't help being a dweeb and nothing I can do will help him. It's nobody's fault, really, so I won't embarrass him. Walking around with a chip on your shoulder as a challenge to other betas to knock it off is the ultimate beta behavior.
/r/seduction13/11/19 03:47 PM
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Don't draw a line across your life between "doing cold approaches" and "everything else". You should be interacting with everyone all the time in the same way. Don't save your pickup persona for HBs. It is either YOU from head to toe or else it's a creepy act like if you break out balls and start juggling to impress someone. So what is there to be anxious about? You're exactly the same dude who asked the guy at the popcorn stand if Thursday is the busiest night, as the guy who told the cute girl…
/r/seduction13/11/19 03:39 PM
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You mean booth babes? It's probably very similar to stripper game. They meet 99.9% needy, loser chodes and react extremely well to cool, non-needy guys who talk to them like they're everyday normal women. Act warm, friendly but relatively unimpressed. The big secret is, plain old game works on certified hot babes but if only you can keep your cool.
/r/seduction13/11/19 02:50 PM
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Takes time but gradually make it your habit - when you remember - to be fun, funny, charming, hold eye contact, etc. all the time with everyone and I mean everyone you meet. Especially with your family and closest friends, colleagues, classmates at first. They already like you and want you to be at your best. You will become a live, vital presence. Soon enough that will be "you" and you will not be able to turn it off. It is fascinating how strangers begin to react to you. You will see heads whi…
/r/seduction13/11/19 02:44 PM
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This is great but remember guys, your smooth, calm, confident sexual vibe (derived from your chilled steel unshakeable frame) has to exist before any eye gazing "tricks" will work. You can work on both in tandem though. Look up youtube "eye contact practice" videos and practice triangular gazing there. The real battle is to calm your mind, get out of your head and feel attraction in your body.
/r/seduction13/11/19 02:34 PM
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Chen City got his youtube channel deleted last month. Long before the BBC controversy. He only had a handful of infields. Not explicit at all but perhaps not discreet enough wrt privacy. He restarted as Chen University with only "how to" talks, and pseudo infields which are really "girl in the street" survey questions. It's too bad because I learned a ton from his infields as few as they were. His surveys are useful in that you can infer from them how utterly fearless and fun you have to be to a…
/r/seduction13/11/19 02:29 PM
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Attaboy! Don't just wait for babes to drop into your lap, gradually cultivate a roving eye. In a cool, non-creepy way hang an invisible "Fuck Boi - Deal with it." sign on your neck and own it.
/r/seduction13/11/19 02:19 PM
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Yeah I'm sure I'm like everyone else, but sometimes I get into a spin cycle of remembering some time that I made a complete asshole of myself, and then I'll sit there beating myself up for being a stupid tool. Completely normal! I found that as I worked on myself, got more confident and better at conversation etc. these self flagellation episodes get more and more rare. Probably the best advice I can share is from the PUA coach Beckster in his grrreat "Saturday Sarging" lecture on youtube. He sa…
/r/seduction13/11/19 02:15 PM
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Off the top of my head: her answer is too dumb and borderline rejection to get a reply. Ignore it because you're busy setting up dates with non-flaky girls (right?) And I mean, disappear from her texts. On day X if you're feeling it wait til like 8 or 9 pm, tell her to come over to your place cause you've been super busy all day and you're gonna relax on your patio with wine, weed or whatever. You can imply it's with your roommates or friends. The entire attitude has to be, it would be fun but i…
/r/seduction13/11/19 02:03 PM
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It is mirroring but you should be in your body feeling attraction and going with the flow, not in your head consciously observing and thinking about it.
/r/seduction12/11/19 07:27 PM
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Listening to lots of PUAs on youtube who practice and teach cold approach, at some point nearly all of them adopt a combination of cold approach, online apps, and as much social circle game as possible often based on connections to club owners for whom they do promotion and recruit babes and clients/students to fill tables. Their cold approaches get far more efficient with practice because they develop strong intuition for detecting meaningful IOIs and they are ruthless at filtering out unavaila…
/r/seduction12/11/19 07:25 PM
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Alpha vs beta debate: it's not a matter of science it's just jargon we use to mean, "good with women" and "not so good with women". It's useful terminology ... don't sucked in by pedantic nerds who want to debate you on it. To some extent the desire for faithful monogamy is a beta trait. "Too much work hitting the bars and making cold approaches when most of the time all I want is a foot massage and someone to make me coffee". Or bring home to the family as a kind of "beard". Or raise children w…
/r/seduction12/11/19 07:12 PM
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From experience, I advise to never be a negative or sarcastic asshole. Chicks nearly always dislike it. The trick is to to be a funny, fun, positive asshole. You can be fun and mysterious too ... it isn't necessary to be the life of the party. I would say, a fairly quiet guy who engages people with laser eye contact, listens well and says little ... is a bit further ahead of a guy who's always ready with a wisecrack. A smirk can suffice. Lurking behind all of your external behaviors is the most …
/r/seduction12/11/19 06:59 PM
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A good analogy I heard is to jump from vine to vine conversationally, like you're Tarzan or you're playing a video game. Recognize that you've taken a subject far enough and if another idea pops up, leap on it. It could be that you're reminded of something interesting or funny, or the other person appears to want to introduce something new so you ask them about it and put aside what you were going to say.
/r/seduction12/11/19 06:30 PM
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If by "not afraid of conflict" you mean in any way, you should act like "likes to fight guy" then I am not with you. Betas have to frequently fight to establish and maintain their place in the social hierarchy, alphas do not. Having nothing to prove they never radiate a "tough guy" vibe
/r/seduction12/11/19 06:21 PM
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There is a book called Rapid Escalation by Liam Mcrae. I enjoyed it and found it useful. There is a huge compilation called "Encyclopedia of Kino" which a guy accumulated from many different PUA coaches advice available somewhere as a free download.
/r/seduction12/11/19 06:15 PM
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It didn't backfire ... it just didn't work out. Multiply your interactions with this girl by 20 other girls and you'll have the beginnings of a dating life.
/r/seduction12/11/19 06:13 PM
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Yeah you're there, you know! I'm tempted to say, be dominant. You have to respect a woman who won't fuck but you've been eating her like a beaver. Pull her off the bed, push her onto her knees and say, "Now suck". She should suck with enthusiasm and if she can't or won't, hold her hair and jerk off in her face. In a dominant, but respectful way that shows at every moment what a joy it is to be there with her. Don't misinterpret me if she wants nothing to do with this you're not going to force he…
/r/seduction11/11/19 08:56 PM
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It's a huge subject. I wouldn't wear anything unless a trusted female has smelled it and approved it on me. If you're clean shaven with a disposable razor, a nice aftershave is good enough. If you're a bit lazy this should motivate you to shave nice and clean, every day. If you can see stubble in the mirror, shave it.
/r/seduction11/11/19 08:44 PM
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I have broken away from my date and run the wrong way up an escalator. Long afterward she was still telling her friends about it admiringly. Just the tiniest touch of Bad Boy that make girls feel like they're being banged by Johnny Dangerous lol. An even better one I am dying to try is, playfully pick up the girl and pretend you're going to toss her in a trash can. Kino, danger, sexual dominance it's got everything. Recommend the book Rapid Escalation by Liam Mcrae he has a few romantic tricks p…
/r/seduction11/11/19 08:35 PM
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Thanks for the FR. What would you say is your "go to" i.e. most common response to shit tests? Smile sweetly, ignore and change the subject?
/r/seduction11/11/19 08:26 PM
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I would have a serious problem with a woman who's happy if you eat her out but won't kiss, fuck, give head or take a facial.
/r/seduction11/11/19 08:21 PM
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You go to a casino to gamble for fun, expecting to lose. Most guys do not win, most days. If you come up a winner you have the common sense to scoop up the chips and cash them in.
/r/seduction11/11/19 08:09 PM
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Mystery Method has been updated, the revised edition is called Revelation by Venusian Arts. The more weird aspects of MM have been put in context. But don't depend on just one book or method, check out a variety of authors and coaches and look for a style that will work for you.
/r/seduction11/11/19 08:05 PM
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Look at your female relatives, friends' girlfriends, lady teachers, waitresses and every female you meet of every age. Try to relate to all of them as humans and as women. Listen to them, think about them as people and what they mean to you and to other people. You will start to appreciate many women in many ways. You will begin to recognize some as angels, some as try-hards, some as self-absorbed neurotics and some as diamonds in the rough that only need a better male presence in their life. Th…
/r/seduction11/11/19 08:02 PM
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It's a lifelong task of self improvement and practice. Either quickly or slowly, you get your head out of your ass ... meaning video games, porn, toxic friendships or whatever ... and become more happy with your life and more engaged with the world. Women would literally kill to meet men that are better than the run-of-the-mill, neurotic, boring, creepy typical dude. They won't chase you necessarily but they'll think, ok if he's not a loser he'll recognize the interest I'm showing and he'll ask …
/r/seduction11/11/19 07:49 PM
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If this is the only girl you're currently matched with, texting and dating then it's hard to do anything "cool" that will attract her and not seem desperate. In theory if you typed just the right thing at the right time you could do it, but when you're over-invested in a girl and somewhat wrapped up in her, "she knows". I don't know this girl but she's on a dating app ... chances are she's looking for a more or less casual hookup with a discreet, cool-acting and non-desperate, non-obsessed guy. …
/r/seduction06/11/19 11:02 PM
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I don't remember reading that in Models, what chapter or section are you referring to? All of these can be real or they might be shit tests. The better a guy is at understanding women the more likely he can figure it out. If a guy doesn't know where to begin when it comes to recognizing and handling shit tests then of course the only possible strategy is, move on.
/r/seduction06/11/19 10:51 PM
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I think that master PUAs spread a wider net faster than wannabe's by getting good at forcing IOIs and developing a spidey-sense for only approaching girls that either show definite attraction to them, or that their intuition tells them will be receptive. Based on hints in their appearance and expression that presumably remind them of past lays or ex gfs. Boomhauer was more wannabe at first ... approaching from behind and grabbing random women's feet. But then he seemed to be catching women's eye…
/r/seduction06/11/19 09:33 PM
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The only thing a wing man should do is, after you've opened a 2-set or larger set, come in and occupy and entertain the friend(s) so that you can talk to the girl you like in relative isolation to build rapport and maybe number close. And keep on occupying and/or seducing the friend(s) if there is a chance of a pull. Anything less is useless, anything more.is cockblocking.
/r/seduction06/11/19 09:15 PM
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Is this the one and only girl you're interested in and want to pursue? If so the only advice anyone could give you is "just ask her out" and "just be yourself". To learn to be a seducer, or "get good with women", the techniques don't really work unless you become a bit of a player and both make yourself attractive to lots of women and pursue lots of women. You could try seduction techniques on just this one girl but they tend to fall flat because women can tell if you're actually a sexual guy, o…
/r/seduction06/11/19 09:09 PM
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You're throwing around numbers as if your personal experience is some kind of scientific proof. But sex and love happen at an instinctive level. People are aware of your body fat or slimness but they're not measuring it. They're also influenced by your facial expression, eye contact, posture, voice tonality and many virtually subliminal factors such as your breathing and pupil dilation. Obesity can be repellant but it isn't the ultimate repellant. The ultimate repellants are creepy neediness and…
/r/seduction06/11/19 07:33 PM
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You have to be a fun guy. First by having fun yourself then by sharing the fun. Push-pull isn't an emotional tug of war, it's a subtle shading that happens within the fun and joking around. I would take a break from feeling the need to do things like push-pull and feeling the need to compete with guys and concentrate on walking into a room and saying "where is the fun here." At first it may be just joking around with your friends or chatting with the bartender. Watching the Chads try to pick up …
/r/seduction06/11/19 03:01 PM
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Your conception of game seems mostly based on practitioners of technical game, lines and routines, following a script, etc. There is a large and flourishing school called natural game which teaches exactly the things you had to learn on your own.
/r/seduction06/11/19 02:49 PM
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You can be a nice guy ... who's niceness she has to earn. Guys who come off as really "alpha" in their vibe or reputation (not necessarily with their looks) can get away with jerk behavior because some women crave getting with an alpha. I.e. having a chance for their offspring to win the gene lottery and/or financial lottery. Hence, athletes, musicians, celebrities and powerful people can act like total assholes. You already know if you are in category (B) in fact you wouldn't be here. That leav…
/r/seduction06/11/19 02:40 PM
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Not sure if you need anything as formalized as excel, but in free-form you should record the place and time of day, your mood and how you were dressed (if it varies), what you said, what she said, how you felt physically and emotionally, how she seemed to be feeling. Then write down a few ideas about what you could have done better. For example better lines or responses, should have smiled more, got to stop wearing those crappy gym shoes, next time wait until a high point to ask for her number.
/r/seduction05/11/19 05:07 PM
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You have to check out a diversity of coaches and find one whose personal PUA style and teaching style you find sympathetic. Guys whose vibe makes you think, I wanna be like him/I think I could adopt his style and use it. Better yet follow 2 or 3 coaches so you don't get locked into one guy's method. Some guys have great infields but their lecture videos are uninspiring. Other guys have great instruction videos but no infields so you never get to see their methods in practice.
/r/seduction05/11/19 05:00 PM
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Hard to give a lot of useful advice here. You will get far more complete advice if you look up "text game", messaging game, and tinder guides. There are a lot of free and $$ guides out there which have tons of help illustrated with real world conversations. How to start a convo, continue a convo, pick up a cold convo, spark sexual.interest, set up a date, etc. etc.
/r/seduction05/11/19 04:55 PM
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Recommend the books The Six Pillars of Self Esteem, and No More Mr Nice Guy. You will start getting better with women when you start liking and respecting yourself more.
/r/seduction05/11/19 04:51 PM
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You can engage women in a sexual, but low kwy way. For example if your friends are loud and boisterous just sit back, have fun enjoying them as if you're the king and they're the jesters. People laugh at the jesters but ultimately are attracted to the king. Just don't be too aloof. You have to engage the girl(s) you want with eye contact at minimum. You might do something low key but surprising and flattering. Such as, remember her name and use it casually in conversation. Just once is enough. O…
/r/seduction05/11/19 04:49 PM
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I don't know anything about RSDmax but maybe it's a good idea to look for coaches with a different approach. I binged on a lot of different random coach's books and products for a while and I'm glad that I did. Can't imagine what I'd be like if I only read and re-read the same material. I picked up at least one good tip that stuck with me from every book and video course.
/r/seduction05/11/19 12:34 AM
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I don't do tons of cold approaches but wrt social circle game, the calibrated introduction of sexual heat goes over really well. Women practically crave it, possibly BECAUSE of the #metoo movement's dampening effect on the expression of sexual desire. And I mean calibrated, not creepy. If that is even slightly unclear to you, work on inner game a bit longer before trying this.
/r/seduction04/11/19 04:17 PM
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I skim read this and I don't think it's very relevant or helpful. By "sexual cues" I thought they meant, the common PUA advice to get into a state of sexual arousal and then trying to transfer your state to a woman through triangular gazing etc. But they seemed to be showing people porn pictures, then asking them to try to "pick up" a member of the opposite sex. The pickup target was really a study assistant who asked them how many sex partners they had. Apparently exposure to porn makes people …
/r/seduction04/11/19 04:11 PM
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Smiling in response to things that make us happy is a natural thing. Whereas smiling all the time is a sign of weakness, a sort of perpetual surrender to the people around you. Many people lose the ability to smile spontaneously. But you can re-train yourself by practicing in front of the mirror. With a neutral face, imagine that you suddenly see a beautiful woman, or a really good friend or beloved family member. Make yourself do a big, shit eating smile. Hold it for about 3 full seconds then r…
/r/seduction04/11/19 03:54 PM
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In those casting couch videos with ordinary, hard-up eastern European girls they always ask them "does penis size matter" and they all say the same thing practically word for word: "No, as long as it isn't tiny." Likewise when asked "What was your worst sexual experience" most frequently they answer, "once there was this guy with a tiny dick." They make indications of like, three inches. So unless you have a truly tiny dick save your money and get good haircuts and good shoes instead. Besides if…
/r/seduction04/11/19 03:44 PM
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Lol something to be said for giving a girl a funny nickname and sticking to it. Say something like, "I don't want to mispronounce your name because it would be disrespectful. So I'm gonna call you ... Scooter. No, Scootch." Or call her Holly and eventually tell her it's in honor of the Bond girl (Goodhead) or Lotta (Fagina) ...
/r/seduction04/11/19 03:30 PM
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It's a solid achievement if this was your first kick at the can. Not to put down your initiative or your limited success which many guys would find inspiring but ... One of the entire points of the field of seduction or pickup or "being good with women", is not to waste a lot of time (an entire month) being a girl's pen-pal or text buddy before finally trying to get romantic and sexual with her. It's a waste of time that you could have spent trying to get with other girls. If you had, you might …
/r/seduction04/11/19 01:26 AM
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You misunderstood, I was trying to say that you did a good job compared to the guys who are only trying to sell stuff here because they post nothing but a link. Whereas you posted a ton of info.
/r/seduction03/11/19 09:09 PM
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There are guides available for free online and that you can buy. Search for text game, messaging game guide, etc. Tinder guides also cover text game extensively. I learned a few good tips from Ice White's Messaging Game Guide, Engineered Lifestyle youtubes and at playingfire.com. Lots more out there if you look.
/r/seduction03/11/19 09:03 PM
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I never dated a Russian girl but if you read PUA "country guides" or watch PUA coaching videos they are notorious for needing several dates to prove you are "serious" before they will have sex. It's strongly engrained in their culture. Here's James Tusk advising patience "especially with eastern European women": https://youtu.be/mHhukU2AYjM
/r/seduction03/11/19 04:18 PM
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Why are you approaching women that you consider to be unattractive? If they really are "lower" than you on the attraction scale and you're only approaching them because you're desperate or arrogant (or both) they can detect that in your attitude. You can't hide your inner thoughts and attitude from women. If you're thinking as you approach a woman "You're ugly but do you want to fuck so I can get experience and an ego boost?" ... they know.
/r/seduction03/11/19 04:11 PM
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At least he put his content in the post instead of expecting us to click on a link.
/r/seduction03/11/19 04:04 PM
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There aren't many field reports or lay reports if that's what you mean. Those can be pretty good for learning "stuff that worked" ... if you believe them. I like daygame infield videos by guys who are trustworthy i.e. haven't been caught faking. Sometimes they have followup date footage too. These show you "real world" conversation and behavior which often don't look or sound like the advice you get in pickup books and courses. It's a lot more boring and mundane sounding than you might think, mo…
/r/seduction03/11/19 12:57 AM
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I know what you mean. I've heard a PUA coach claim that your old acquaintances will never accept you as a player if you were a chode when they knew you before but I don't believe it. If you meet them one day and you're a confident, sexual being then that vibe will completely overwhelm the distant memory of you as a booger-eating loser. It's a matter of having the dominant, prevailing frame. And part of the frame is "yeah she's into me." Easier said than done but you need to have a strong frame a…
/r/seduction02/11/19 09:13 PM
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I learned a lot from the old course "Daygame Blueprint" and from infields by Yad, Steve Jabba, James Tusk and Sam Fluid Social. They all have their script that they tend to follow but one of they keys that I've only been slowing figuring out is to never pause to see how it's going, just keep talking if necessary. All of these guys are really fearless and never at a loss no matter what happens.
/r/seduction02/11/19 09:00 PM
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I haven't been to the UK in a few years, since before I learned game. But I know tons of Brits and I can't imagine any of them shriveling up, panicking or losing their shit if someone randomly bantered with them. Is it really because in the UK there is a taboo or fear of talking to strangers in case you violate a class barrier? Like if a toff said "Cool shirt" to someone who turned out to be not so posh, would the response be "Fuck you Jack" ?
/r/seduction02/11/19 08:52 PM
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Those are quite abstract. When I went through the phase of boosting my self esteem I used more simple and direct affirmations such as: I am strong, healthy and good looking. Women are attracted to me. I feel the world in my body. My words and actions follow. I have fun in everything I do.
/r/seduction02/11/19 08:37 PM
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Partly true. There are some things that women do well which guys should learn, such as their intuitive senses of body language and style. These help you determine when an IOI is real and when you're dressed like a chump. The rest of game is uncovering your instinctive, masculine self and allowing it to express itself in a calibrated and civilized way. That's where unfeminine traits such as dominance and leading come into play.
/r/seduction02/11/19 08:31 PM
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Watch this video. "Coping with the spotlight effect" by James Tusk. https://youtu.be/SVb0Y1uRMF0 TLDW: nobody gives a damn if you approach in a calibrated way
/r/seduction02/11/19 08:24 PM
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The brand name seems to be incredibly popular but there are lots of other great coaches and products out there. Many of them are former RSD students and coaches who have taken the good things they learned and added enhancements.
/r/seduction02/11/19 08:21 PM
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How did you get in contact with them in the first place, and what makes you think that they have any interest in you except as a text buddy?
/r/seduction02/11/19 07:58 PM
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BE comfortable in your own skin. You can't help showing it when you are. It is a misconception that to be comfortable in your skin you have to be in a buff, happy, euphoric state. You have to be comfortable with how you feel no matter what your physical state is. If you're tired, feel your tiredness and accept it. Likewise if you're sore from the gym, have a headache or whatever. It's not that you emphasize your condition and wear it like a badge, you just acknowledge it, accept it and be at pea…
/r/seduction02/11/19 07:55 PM
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Approaching takes the most determination and balls. I can see how the guys who do it don't have much time for guys who are into social circle game (salsa class guys lol), want to start hitting on their college classmates, etc. But that's still game ... the only things that are missing are approach anxiety and opening with "I thought you looked cute." The non-game related posts here are the ones that are essentially "How do I seduce my crush (without doing anything to improve myself or get better…
/r/seduction02/11/19 07:46 PM
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Are you shorter and uglier than Danny de Vito? Because he's about the shortest, ugliest guy I've ever seen. And he gets women. He's married. He's got the 90% of manhood going on: emotionally supportive, intelligent, charming, strong and fun. And by dressing and grooming well I suppose he improved his looks from around a 1 to a 3. That's 93% near the top of the class.
/r/seduction02/11/19 01:56 AM
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Examples from my life: To a guy helping his elderly friend get in a car: "Hey cool Hawaiian shirt, you on vacation?" To a barrista: "Is this your busy time?" To a waitress after she recited the specials. "Thanks! You just read them off that sign didn't you." I never thought I was all that shy or reclusive. But I have to admit it took me almost 2 years of studying game and practicing being a better conversationalist with my family and friends before I got to the point where I could be fearless an…
/r/seduction02/11/19 01:48 AM
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Interested but not obsessed or desperate.
/r/seduction02/11/19 01:30 AM
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Google banter lines or pickup banter lines. These are not so much to memorize and use, but to read them, imagine yourself being that bantering, cocky-funny guy and visualize yourself being confident in the moment. Look how these two lines give and take in the same sentence: "You'd look cute in a Mohawk" "Those are the second best shoes I've seen tonight" There are hundreds more out there. They are worth reading and analysing. Imagine: Who would say that. When and to whom. What would the possible…
/r/seduction02/11/19 01:30 AM
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Look up text game guides, message game guides, etc. There are a bunch of good ones out there. They show you how to move things along as best as possible and have strategies for sparking things up again when they go sideways. They have tons of real world examples with breakdowns to explain what's going on.
/r/seduction02/11/19 01:21 AM
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Get help for your feelings of despair. Specialized help. There are plenty of resources to help you, look them up. In this reddit we can't help people who are in a spin cycle of despair. When you're feeling better and ready to start learning again, come back here and we'll help you.
/r/seduction02/11/19 01:15 AM
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Whew. You didn't take 14 pages of text to say it and you didn't hide it behind a link. Well done. 👍
/r/seduction02/11/19 01:11 AM
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You've got decades before your "best before" date. Snap out of it buddy, start at the ground floor like most of us here did and start working. Success is defined by making small improvements from week to week and month to month. Happiness isn't a matter of when or how often you have sex it comes from gradually getting more fit, better looking, sociable and confident. Sex god = good / virgin = bad ... this is a bullshit cultural construct. It's a steaming pile of crap that's as bad as any "gender…
/r/seduction02/11/19 01:08 AM
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Hetero shaming lol. That's the last kind of "friends" you need. If they're actually good with women and you can learn something by hanging around with them, do so. Otherwise work on game alone. You can do it!
/r/seduction01/11/19 12:35 AM
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You can't make yourself be masculine or playful. If you strip away your inhibitions and lose your anxieties you will probably find that there is a combination masculine and playful guy underneath. When in synch with your inner self you will automatically calibrate according to your mood, hormone levels, energy, and how the girl is reacting.
/r/seduction01/11/19 12:27 AM
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The sexual vibe has to come first. Imagine if you're not really feeling attraction strongly in your body, but you come out with sexual innuendo ... incongruent and creepy. Sex talk is an optional reinforcement of your vibe not a substitute. Some guys recommend adding it into conversation if the image you project is too milktoast and if girls have the impression you're not a player. On the other hand if you come off as a fuckboi/player you can tell innocent stories about playing with your dog to …
/r/seduction31/10/19 11:02 PM
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No. If I was ever mistreated by someone it's probably because I had a bad vibe. Ok ... I was called "the devil" and "Mr. Spock" around grade 2 or 3 because my eyebrows looked like an owl. I'll give you a real world example. Two of my buddies in high school had really bad acne. One guy was pretty confident. Dated girls, could hang out and act cool. Nobody every mentioned his acne. Literally nobody ever brought it up. High school kids are really gossipy and backstabbing and his acne never came up …
/r/seduction31/10/19 09:54 PM
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To a large degree, you are as attractive as you think you are and you are as unattractive as you think you are. Do you understand what relationships are between men and women? The physical side - including sex and orgasms - and the emotional side? "Ugliness" and "Beauty" are factors in the relationships between men and women but they have almost nothing to do with things such as, being emotionally supportive, being happy and fun, or with achieving sexual fulfillment. Those two factors are 90% or…
/r/seduction31/10/19 09:05 PM
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It's worth it to find and read/watch a few books or courses/videos on night game. They will teach you tricks (for lack of a better word) which will help you to leverage and adapt your day game experience to night game. Stuff on getting in state, body language, noisy situations, large sets, mixed sets, cock blocks, isolating, dance floor game, logistics, pulling, etc. EDIT for tonight, if you're anxious then just try to relax and have fun with no pressure on yourself.
/r/seduction31/10/19 06:58 PM
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In a loud environment far more is conveyed by body language that by words. Body language is the best way of indicating confidence, experience, attraction and non-neediness.
/r/seduction31/10/19 06:54 PM
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Economic theory neatly explains the phenomena of prostitution and trophy brides. It gets worse and worse as you move to average marriages, bf-gf relationships, dating, and casual hookups. If you like to read in order to understand relationships and get good at women, put aside the academic theories and go straight to self help books written by therapists and dating/pickup books written by PUA coaches. They only introduce theory when it is applicable and relevant. 90% of what they teach is strate…
/r/seduction31/10/19 06:49 PM
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I think the part of the book Models about vulnerability, if that's what you're referring to, isn't so much about confessing vulnerability. It's about the fact that just by approaching the girl, saying or implying that she's attractive and asking her out, you're putting yourself in a vulnerable position and that's ok. It shows strength and fearlessness. It's ok to feel vulnerable and have self doubts. It shows strength to admit it. It also shows strength if you deal with your problems on your own…
/r/seduction31/10/19 06:32 PM
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It's literally what you do with it not much to do with where you are on the beauty scale. Simply put if you act like you're good with women, they believe it. Just as guys only break out the 1-10 scale when talking to other guys about women, women are the same. The scale doesn't exist in people's inner minds and motivations. Only when they feel the need to brag or show off. It's always better to BE good looking but (a) you can only do so much with what you are born with, and (b) being good with w…
/r/seduction31/10/19 06:23 PM
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Totally correct. It's a great book ... he can't put EVERYTHING in it about dating.
/r/seduction31/10/19 04:39 PM
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To use on someone in your social circle, classroom or workplace it will probably get you friendzoned. With a cautionary flag because your blunt approach sounds like you might be a dick about it if she says no. Let me suggest an alternative method. Don't get blunt and in her face. Lean back with completely relaxed, "I don't give a fuck" body language, beam at her with a huge warm smile and say "We should hang out sometime." Immediately change the subject and continue as if you barely care what sh…
/r/seduction31/10/19 03:52 PM
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Liam Mcrae's book Rapid Escalation is full of stories and advice about bathroom pulls, etc. Actually a pretty good book.
/r/seduction31/10/19 03:38 PM
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Potential banter comebacks: "Me too" "Cooooooool" (ironic) "Yeah. You are a cool babe" "Yeah? What's the guy's name?" (smiling) "That is sooo hot"
/r/seduction31/10/19 03:33 PM
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Excellent. This a great review of the highlights. I disagree with his definition of the friendzone. It can happen that way but it's not the norm. It usually happens because a guy DID make his intentions clear such as by asking out a girl in his social circle, class or workplace. Or he "told her how he feels" lol. Either she finds him unattractive or the way he asked her was really awkward. She tells him she wants to just be friends, she has a boyfriend, she's too busy right now or makes some oth…
/r/seduction31/10/19 03:24 PM
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It's a science in that you can break it down into a lot of individual tasks and work on them. Fitness, posture, clothes, grooming, meditation, affirmations, eye contact, banter and conversation, etc. You don't practice being sociable and charming only on attractive women you practice every day with everyone you meet. Next thing you know you're bantering with a hot babe because you were bantering with someone else a second before and she's suddenly in front of you and it's like stepping from one …
/r/seduction31/10/19 02:59 PM
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Jump into your orbit? Are you on the dance floor or studying astrophysics.
/r/seduction31/10/19 02:45 PM
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It's often a good sign. However many girls do it when they're not serious. Some girls do it as a habit or just to get attention. After their mid teens, many women suppress the hair toss when they're truly interested because it's such a giveaway.
/r/seduction31/10/19 02:42 PM
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Funniest and most incomprehensible posts I read on here nearly always begin "I go to community college ..." Nothing wrong with CC, I applaud it but at some point literacy starts to count.
/r/seduction30/10/19 10:36 PM
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You can't make a rule for this. It is up to your intuition and the vibe you have going. Most daygame coaches in their infields do so but the scale of the compliment goes from extremely mild (you look interesting or stylish) to extravagant (you look really beautiful or sexy). I tend not to give any compliment but concentrate on letting my vibe do the talking, with my smile, eye contact, body language.
/r/seduction30/10/19 10:31 PM
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Some PUA coaches post a series of videos showing one of their students and his progress. James Tusk and his Bhav series for example. Complete from early cold approaches to long date sequences. Plus breakdowns with the coach. I think Fluid Social has similar videos.
/r/seduction30/10/19 06:16 PM
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Not too late you're in your in your prime. There is no one perfect book or guide to game. Look up the recommended reading linked somewhere on the reddit sidebar. I recommend reading several books at minimum so you get an idea of the different types of game and find a style that suits you.
/r/seduction30/10/19 06:13 PM
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I've been taking a multi pronged approach. Instead of just doing transcendental meditation and hoping for the best like I used to, I switched to doing "get in your body" meditation where you take an inventory of every physical feeling in your body from your toes to your head. Then in everyday life telling myself "Slow Down" and take a quick inventory of my physical sensations, accepting all of them and "being" those sensations. Daily affirmations such as "I listen to my body first, my words and …
/r/seduction30/10/19 06:09 PM
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Do you mean direct or indirect verbal game? They use both. Each guy tends to have his specialty. The common factor is not "what they say" but is their physical, sexual vibe which needs no words. I think the guys who are more direct choose that tactic in order to shock a girl a little, in case she's tending to miss or misinterpret his sexual intent (consciously or unconsciously). Also to use it as a funnel or filter, to make things absolutely clear to the girl and not waste time so he can try ano…
/r/seduction30/10/19 04:12 PM
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Pretty good video. The only thing that surprised me a little bit was the part where most of them said, a guy who wants me sexually "right now" is less attractive than a guy "who can wait". Surprising because none of them were against sex on the first date. But one of the girls tied it to having a desperate vibe which must be the key.
/r/seduction30/10/19 04:01 PM
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There is a yuge reading list with voted-on recommendations linked somewhere on the sidebar. I recommend reading several books at minimum so you don't get sidetracked by one author's quirks and peculiarities.
/r/seduction30/10/19 03:46 PM
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There are some good text game guides out there. Just do so e searching. They destroy many of the myths about text game which you will read here and elsewhere.
/r/seduction30/10/19 03:43 PM
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If you're in state, out of your head, in your body and strongly feeling a physical vibe with a woman, it hardly matters what you say. Mating behavior is instinctive not intellectual so it really only works if can trigger that inner instinct first in yourself and then trigger it in the girl as she picks up your state and mirrors it. The more you go into your head, first to worry about "what to say", then go through your list of canned topics and then say them, the more you lose your primal state …
/r/seduction30/10/19 03:41 PM
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I advocate natural game more than technical game. I think that nearly all PUAs gravitate to natural game eventually. Even the updated version of Mystery Method called "Revelation by Venusian Arts" describes technical game but then says something to the effect that, these routines are like training wheels to use until you develop natural game. That means dropping peacocking, consciously negging, and other techniques which (to normal people) look artificial and manipulative. Beckster Lifestyle has…
/r/seduction30/10/19 03:28 PM
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The most influential advice on unreactiveness I've seen is in an old lecture by Jonathan "Manwhore". The relevant part starts around 10:00. Besides dealing with everyday situations I think he has a story about dealing with a clown cockblock in a bar. https://youtu.be/OmI9r7Py4tk He's really big on having a strong sexual frame too. I just had a reinforcement of this idea in a Steve Jabba video (UK daygame coach) where he lists getting and staying in sexual state as being a huge factor in his dayg…
/r/seduction30/10/19 03:03 PM
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I was just watching Steve Jabba infields from 7 years ago. He isn't polarizing at all but is quite direct calling the girl beautiful and sexy and getting as close and touchy as he can. He was called "the best natural I ever saw" by Richard La Ruina which I think is significant. There is a cold approach by Beckster on a German girl sitting on a park bench in Sweden which is almost comically ordinary. He's maybe running a tiny bit of game ... getting her to measure height against himself but it's …
/r/seduction29/10/19 03:47 PM
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I knew twin 1 for weeks before I ever met her sister and was already dating her steady. I was in the infatuation phase and not thinking at all ... wow twins that is so hot. And also when I met her sister I didn't think she looked all that identical so I didn't have anything resembling a "wow my girl in stereo!" moment. And it was immediately obvious her character and vibe was so different there was no attraction at all. If I had met twin 2 first there would have been no attraction and no dating.
/r/seduction29/10/19 03:35 PM
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Don't acknowledge their supposed opinion as a guy without a gf as "weird". That is something that should not exist in your reality. Women make a big show of shunning players but that's just social peer pressure bullshit. It's attempting to slut shame any girl who sleeps with a guy who isn't an official bf. I was looking at instagram babes yesterday and saw two of them in a row posing with T shirts that said "No Fuckbois". You tell 'em, sister! Lol You don't go around saying you're a fuckboi, you…
/r/seduction29/10/19 03:24 PM
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You live with your family? Believe it or not you should practice game on them. I had a similarly bleak life, except that I had a couple of clubs that I belonged to where I was a social non-entity. When I started learning game and tried to imagine myself being outgoing and sociable with women, I realized I was being a chode even with my family that I saw almost every day. So first thing I started working on eye contact, listening skills, asking questions with emotional answers, being warm and fun…
/r/seduction29/10/19 03:11 PM
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I have dated and had an LTR with an identical twin. While twins' relationship with each other is close and complicated, in practice you will find that their personalities are quite distinct and it is never any more difficult to deal with a twin's sibling than with any in-laws. They really are just two different people. For those people who want to ask the obvious question, I was never attracted to my girl's sister and would have never proposed a threesome. It would have got an instant "Ewwww" an…
/r/seduction29/10/19 02:14 AM
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I would start with your closest inner circle and work outward. When I first started learning game I realized I'd been neglecting to be interesting, funny and caring with my family and friends for a long time. I heard a PUA coach say, I'll bet you haven't REALLY been listening to people attentively. So I started telling myself "Slow Down" and forced myself to listen to people patiently, not race ahead of them in my thoughts or tune them out like I used to. With solid eye contact. Gradually I got …
/r/seduction28/10/19 10:11 PM
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You don't say anything about having friends, a social circle or having any interests except for asking girls on dates. Especially at university where it's like a smogasbord of available women and a social whirl, you have to be a fully integrated member of the community. If you have no real social connections except for the ones where you approach women and try to ask them out, I can guarantee that the women can sense this. You can't fake being a fun, sociable guy by studying body language and co…
/r/seduction28/10/19 04:58 PM
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This why only reading books such as Models isn't enough. You also have to watch infield videos by guys whose vibe you like, in order to see what approaches and successful conversations look like IRL. Stuff like polarizing the girl, negging, etc. barely happens in the PUAs I like watching who tend to use very natural technique. They try to be "in state" in their bodies feeling strong physical attraction and then go with the flow of conversation which mostly sounds very ordinary and un-gamey. The …
/r/seduction28/10/19 04:50 PM
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The trouble is, guys are supposed to be the dominant partner and to act like they crave sex. Anything a woman does to try to spark him tends to move things in the wrong direction. I was fairly passive with women in bed until not long ago when reading guys posting on this forum and in Pickup artist vlogs and stuff, my eyes were opened. Stuff like, a guy making a vlog where he's phoning a girl he Tinder matched with. He asks if she's ok with being slapped and having her hair pulled as he face fuck…
/r/seduction28/10/19 04:33 PM
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Uninvited sexual contact? Too aggressive and illegal if you did it outside a club. Ask yourself ... is this the guy I want to be? A girl was telling me the other day she avoids all eye contact with men on the dance floor because if she accidentally catches a guy's eye he's instantly in her face trying to touch her and grind on her. Her only defence when a guy grinds on her is giving him an elbow in the ribs. She lifts weights so I guess he gets the point ... but she hates going to clubs because …
/r/seduction28/10/19 04:02 PM
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Try being conscious and mindful of your body instead of being in your head, where you're getting nervous and then shutting down. I would google this to get more tips but I think that a common technique is to concentrate on feeling your body. The weight on your feet, the feeling in your stomach, your heartbeat, breathing, the dryness of your mouth, everything. You acknowledge and accept all these feelings. At first you practice this slowly at home, doing an inventory of each physical sensation in…
/r/seduction28/10/19 03:47 PM
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Nobody is 100% confident. I was just watching a master PUA on youtube and he said, "yes I'm nervous on every single.approach I do." What you want is to be "basically" confident, but you also acknowledge and accept your anxieties. You don't have to tell girls, "I thought you looked cute and gee I'm nervous I'm a bit worried you'll be rude to me like the last girl I approached." You say "I thought you looked cute" and inside you think, "gee I'm nervous but she is so beautiful what an awesome girl …
/r/seduction28/10/19 03:36 PM
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On youtube search for "practice eye contact". Think calm thoughts when you practice. Simply being fearless at eye contact isn't enough though. You have to be coming from the right place. Meaning that you're not needy or greedy for sex. You have inner calm and benevolence. You're genuinely interested in the other person and you feel their inner and outer beauty.
/r/seduction28/10/19 03:30 PM
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Why not just post the list?
/r/seduction28/10/19 02:42 AM
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Probably better to try AskWomen, AskReddit and the subs concerned with sex, couples, pregnancy etc. Good luck! Probably the advice is going to be along the lines of bubble baths, lingerie, massages ... maybe sexting or sending nudes lol
/r/seduction28/10/19 02:12 AM
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Excellent. Thanks so much. I only just started reading but I want to say wrt to facial hair: clean stubble or beard YOU HAVE TO GROOM YOUR FACE EVERY DAY. All three of those looks literally look like garbage if you don't. Like the careless, slob loser that you are. If you're clean shaven, be clean. Stubble, make it regulation "Miami Vice" height every single morning. Beard, trim the goddamn thing every day you're not Grizzly Adams trying to pick up goats to fuck. Mustache, it better be a masterp…
/r/seduction28/10/19 01:47 AM
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Yes I agree. Learning pickup is about unlearning all the counter productive behaviors from our upbringing and the brainwashed, pussified culture we live in. A successful PUA is a man who can connect with instinctive, primitive mating behaviors and present them to the world in a way that is calibrated to the requirements of his circumstances. In documentaries about primitive tribes the men are strong and fit, have great posture, are smooth and graceful in their movements, take care of their groom…
/r/seduction28/10/19 01:36 AM
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Mystery Method prolly covers this, under Peacocking. Toward the end of The Game, Neil Strauss breaks out a wacky T shirt with light up letters but I can't remember what it said.
/r/seduction28/10/19 01:08 AM
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Build up the tension with casual, light touching such as stroking her leg or her bum, tossing her hair back, or putting your face in her hair to smell it. BEFORE you kiss. Or tease her by pretending you're going to kiss her lips then kiss the side of her neck lightly. Then pull back, wait a few seconds and repeat. Butterfly kisses with your eyelashes. Make a game where you stand up and get as close as possible to each other, I mean millimeters, but without touching each other or kissing. The fir…
/r/seduction28/10/19 01:02 AM
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Have you even dated her yet or become, ah, intimate? "One thing at a time" If nothing happens before she goes away add her to your list of cold prospects and only send friendly but non-commital and generic-sounding texts until she's back. Say, one every 2 or 3 weeks. Trying to keep a spark going for two months with a very new and casual acquaintance is absurd IMHO.
/r/seduction28/10/19 12:51 AM
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Girls might get hit on more often but that doesn't mean dating is easy. Getting hit on by attractive guys who are good with women is the hard part. They don't come here to complain about the loser things that guys do when hitting on them or dating but if you befriend any attractive woman ask her what guys do that turn them off sometime. When you have a couple of hours. The women who try to take charge of their dating life by hitting on or flirting with men don't have it easy either. Judging from…
/r/seduction27/10/19 08:02 PM
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Guys have ups and downs too, don't focus on it and get anxious about it. When you're up, go with it and be as fun and friendly as you feel. If you're feeling blah, also go with the feeling and just "be". People aren't necessarily turned on by high-energy people or turned off by low energy people. They're turned off by people who are not emotionally well connected to their inner being. For example who get anxious or try to cover up their inner feelings. Meditation might work for you,. It's purpos…
/r/seduction27/10/19 07:51 PM
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Don't answer me because you don't need to be interrogated and judged by random dudes on the internet. Just answer these questions to yourself: When you say, "So how early do I let him know that I‘m not gonna have sex with him?" do you mean you're not going to have sex with him ever, until marriage? Or is your rule and your anxiety only about the first or second, third date after which it might be ok if the vibe is right? I can tell you despite all the bragging by guys about "same day lays", depe…
/r/seduction27/10/19 07:40 PM
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Maybe the Hillary mask was a bad idea.
/r/seduction27/10/19 06:26 PM
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Don't get sucked into answering dumb questions. Ignore it and say "Come over in an hour I've got wine" Or whatever.
/r/seduction27/10/19 06:26 PM
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Go home and make notes. Write down what you did, what you said, and how she reacted. Then write down 1, 2, 3 things that you could have or should have said. Make notes about how you were dressed and groomed, on your inner state, etc. Eventually, this exercise will create a storehouse of questions, lines and banter in your brain which will start to pop out when you need them. This is a tried and true method that PUAs use when on the learning curve.
/r/seduction27/10/19 05:41 PM
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No, not many guys fantasize about deflowering an innocent girl. They're happy to do it but it's not like they consider it a mission. I would avoid any guy who admits to this fantasy because it indicates a tendency to pedophilia. We live in a very sexualized society. Looking for a sexy, attractive and worldly man in his 20s who is also happy to "just kiss" is chasing a unicorn. I'm not trying to make you give up your ideals but you might have to either reconcile yourself to an unsatisfactory dati…
/r/seduction27/10/19 05:27 PM
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Try those "practice eye contact" youtubes. Feel the panic and nervousness build up and let it wash over you like a wave. Then the wave retreats you're still there. Nothing bad happens. Also practice smiling in the mirror. Imagine you're walking up to a beautiful woman. Turn on a big, shit-eating grin for 5 seconds then relax. Repeat a couple of times. Do this every couple of days and soon you'll be smiling like an SOB. Smiling, even if it's forced, actually changes your physical and mental state…
/r/seduction27/10/19 05:11 PM
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"Everyone shames you for dating younger" LMAO ... that's why I got downvoted. There's an guy called Adam Gilad who has written guides to dating younger women. Tons of advice. He finds that there are many young women who are very mature in their outlook or else who crave the company of a thoughtful, older man. His story is, when he got divorced he started out dating MILFs he met at his kids' softball games, then got better game and started dating younger and younger. He has a cheat code in that h…
/r/seduction27/10/19 05:01 PM
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There are lots of guides to texting out there. Often they have free info they give away, plus $ products which have more examples. Here are a few that I liked: playingfire.com (check out their "love reports") Engineered Lifestyle (free youtubes and paid product) Ice White's Messaging Game Guide (free download from google docs) If you can't hear what the guys are saying to girls, even better is to check out their body language. If it leads to dates and sex then for sure, it's the sexy vibe they p…
/r/seduction27/10/19 04:43 PM
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Pretty good I endorse that.
/r/seduction27/10/19 04:20 PM
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Read what you wrote! They don't try hard and they're good at texting. Two things you can work on. When you're hanging around them watch for little things that they do. Do they hunt all around the room with their eyes like they're hungry for women? Or do they just chill and amuse themselves until a woman comes up to talk. Do they approach women, if so do they get her attention first? How do they stand and talk. When they talk to a girl do they mostly talk or mostly listen? What do they talk about…
/r/seduction27/10/19 02:51 AM
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Easy for me to see, that the problem isn't the clown but your reaction to him. You need a titanium frame that says, whatever, be a clown, I'm still the coolest guy in the room and cool beats clown every time. You don't need physical distance from him, but a layer of emotional teflon which vibes with the positive emotions in the room and is untouched by negative emotions.
/r/seduction27/10/19 02:41 AM
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I'm older than you, and I'm like you except the older I get I don't even find women the SAME age as me attractive any more, for the most part. Truth be told, since I got more fit and better looking women my age nearly all look so much older than me, and they know it, that they don't even try to flirt any more. Whereas women as young as half my age notice when I walk into the room, want to talk to me, etc. I flirt with all of them but only seriously pursue the ones that are closer to my age. Say …
/r/seduction27/10/19 02:30 AM
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My friend.
/r/seduction27/10/19 02:15 AM
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Seriously, I don't see any other solution to a direct cockblock except except being cool about it, funny, and a bit cocky. In order of increading difficulty meaning requiring more confidence. At the grand master level cockblocking doesn't even exist, in that your frame doesn't acknowledge it. Such as, "This chick isn't cockblocking me, she's worried about her ride, or that her friend is drunk." Or if a guy, "Poor guy has no game too bad but he means well." Your game should be low key and not eve…
/r/seduction27/10/19 02:12 AM
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And your solution is ... skulk away?
/r/seduction26/10/19 09:26 PM
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Tall women are awesome. The "problems" are imaginary ones in your head.
/r/seduction26/10/19 09:24 PM
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Dealing with CBs is a good way to demonstrate superior game ... show your cool confidence and unflappability. Assuming the CB knows your girl: If it's a girl say, hi, introduce yourself, ask if it's girls night out, ask them who are the hottest guys they've seen tonight. No matter what they say, pick two lonely chodes standing across the room and tell them, "C'mon those guys are a couple hotties I'll introduce you to them." You're cool, cocky and funny. If it's a guy, say hi and ask, "How long h…
/r/seduction26/10/19 08:07 PM
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Ok it's only human but I'm going to change my advice to, be cool X 100. You HAVE to be the cool guy or else you're literally turning yourself in a cuck over a girl you're not even dating. When I faced something like this over my oneitis crush I leaned into it and actually introduced her to a couple of good looking guys. Fortunately I was studying game so when this really try-hard guy was always orbiting around her I was literally laughing inside when I realized what terrible game he had. You hav…
/r/seduction26/10/19 03:39 PM
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Have to decide: do you want to be with her in the biblical sense, or only be pals. Don't be a weak, undecided pussy who lurks. Next to a stalker this is the worst kind of male. If (a) flirt with her and avoid all side tracks and long discussions. Your frame is, "You're cute, I know you're into me, when and if you want the D then let's chill and see if the vibe is good." If (b) then she's just one of the boys. Put sex out of your mind. Invite her bowling with the boys or whatever.
/r/seduction26/10/19 03:30 PM
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Just be totally cool. It doesn't matter what they do, it's interesting that this guy has to put on a show but ... whatever. Be unreactive and professional. Be like, "As I was saying ... " If you're trying to get something done don't show any irritation. At most make a timeout signal and say, "Hey gotta run, catch up with you later." If you feel the need to flirt, a smile and an occasional raised eyebrow will get you farther in a work setting than being a bantering clown.
/r/seduction26/10/19 03:17 PM
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Attaboy! Probably the perfect imitation of abundance and standoffishness. Lol. Some day you'll have been studying game, you'll be hungry and women won't chase you and persist any more. If you've got her at home and things are hot and heavy, don't say a word just stand up and look at her with laser eye contact. Extend your hand and lead her to the bedroom
/r/seduction26/10/19 03:11 PM
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Be as observant and open to possibilities as you are with just this one girl, everywhere you go. The way you obsess over this girl is too much. Yes you should try to get with her but obsessively chasing one slender chance at a time is a bad strategy. Just two bad things about oneitis among many: if you're not chasing lots of girls you don't get lots of practice and your flirting skills will be zero. And your obsessive oneitis will show all over your face when you talk to her and she'll be turned…
/r/seduction26/10/19 01:12 PM
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Go for it. But there has GOT to be more potential women around than just this one? Open your eyes, don't limit yourself. In the rest of your life when walking around, getting coffee etc. try emptying your mind and being observant and open to possibilities, the same way as you do on the train platform.
/r/seduction26/10/19 01:04 PM
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You have got to pursue more women. Lots, lots more. Only then will you be able to put these mixed signals in perspective. You won't even notice them let alone obsess over it and write long essays about it, lol. You'll be much happier and when you're a legitimate dating and sexual threat women won't even bother to mess with you because they'll know it won't get them anywhere. TLDR: study pickup using the resources listed on this reddit's sidebar. You can do it!
/r/seduction26/10/19 01:00 PM
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Reframe this. She didn't use you for sex, you shared a wonderful moment with each other. You left her feeling better than before, and she moved on. Pat yourself on the back ... you're the Doctor of Love. Add that to your list of daily affirmations.
/r/seduction26/10/19 12:50 PM
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Oh yeah wrt to your question on how to escalate, a couple of suggestions ... Give the book Rapid Escalation by Liam Mcrae a quick read. For verbal escalation, The Question Game as promoted by James Tusk. The rules are they have to be interesting questions and honest answers. Take turns. Start with innocent but emotional subjects. Gradually turn up the heat until you're asking her, when was your first kiss, how many boyfriends, what was your wildest sexual experience.
/r/seduction26/10/19 04:41 AM
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Pretty good summary. I would only add a couple of things. It doesn't necessarily take years to get good. A few weeks to months sometimes, for guys who start from an ok place and work hard. You hear PUA coaches say, in bootcamps there are always one or two guys who thrive and start getting dates and lays in the first week. They say the guys who are slower tend to argue back and refuse to try things (like bomb openers) whereas the fast learners run out and implement everything immediately. I'm a s…
/r/seduction25/10/19 11:37 PM
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You've read The Six Pillars of Self Esteem and No More Mr Nice Guy? If not I would start there. Afterwards, maybe The Rational Male to transition from self help to dating and pickup.
/r/seduction25/10/19 11:18 PM
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Ambiguity is good. Better yet, unspoken sexual or romantic interest with a socially acceptable layer of respectability on the surface. You can even make an joke out of it. "But don't get any ideas it's just hanging out." Which guarantees that's exactly the idea she's going to get. With plausible deniability, win-win. No matter what, be 100% clear what you want in your own mind. Mental and moral uncertainty is the worst possible attitude.
/r/seduction25/10/19 10:31 PM
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If you're getting along incredibly well, bounce her outside and lead her away on an instadate. If she has no logistical issues such as friends, transportation problems etc. Otherwise don't be a leech, one of the purposes of parties is to demonstrate social proof by being Mr Sociable, the King of the Coolest Fuckboys or whatever. Once you've made a good connection no matter how brief, you can re-open her any time. You can even create mystery and longing by disappearing for a while and coming back…
/r/seduction25/10/19 10:22 PM
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A strong frame comes from strong self belief, that you're interesting and attractive enough. Being strong and fit helps but it is far from being "the answer". Many muscular guys are lousy with women and many unfit guys are awesome. The common factor between the successful guys is their inner, unshakeable belief that women find them attractive and given the right circumstances, anything can happen. The first and easiest steps to having a strong frame are daily affirmations and visualizing success…
/r/seduction25/10/19 10:15 PM
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On youtube Beckster Lifestyle demos his dance game move for breaking into large sets which is pretty funny. Many chicks hate guys making uninvited dance floor moves on them. Girl told me, she and her friends avoid ALL eye contact with dudes on the dance floor because he'll come swarming all over grinding on her. Then she said, the only thing they can do is pretend they're grooving to the music and give him a backwards elbow in the ribs.
/r/seduction25/10/19 10:03 PM
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Are you good at game in general? Confident enough to pull off cocky/funny on a massive scale? Think of a funny opener and entertain them long enough to start picking up IOIs from one or two. You're in class everyday so play long term game. Don't flame out and skulk off, laugh off whatever happens. Get in, get out your lines, deal with cockblock comments in a funny way (make the CB's friends laugh at her), have a laugh, make eye contact with a couple of hotties then say, "ahh gotta run see you" a…
/r/seduction25/10/19 09:54 PM
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Definitely you don't want to get obsessed with this one girl and become a try-hard. I think a Hail Mary attempt to recover is fine. Good practice in fact because awkward situations come up all the time with women and the way to handle it is to call it out and neutralize it or make it good ... not to skulk away. I'm gonna throw a suggestion out there: "Ok I admit it ... that was" (wait 30s) " ... awkward 🙈 " (wait 30s) "Don't even text me back unless you think I can redeem myself" If she texts yo…
/r/seduction25/10/19 09:00 PM
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"Put down your name, phone number, Instagram. With a title on the card that says ICE MODELING. If they ask, tell them you're a model, a photographer and a talent coordinator." Impersonating one of these people is a big no-no, if you're not a legitimate or aspiring professional but just a "guy with a camera". You think it's clever? The same "idea" has occured to rapists and killers. So your idea might get you taken down to the police station so they can ask you, wtf.
/r/seduction25/10/19 08:21 PM
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Flirting is easy, it's just being friendly and fun with a little bit of extra eye contact. You're probably already doing it. The trouble is, many guys are too dumb to notice, they have feelings of unworthiness or other inhibitions, or they literally don't know how to flirt back and move things along to a date. I don't know if you'll find this helpful but I have a theory that the kind of people we get crushes on tend to be emotionally unavailable or they're unsuitable for other reasons. If that's…
/r/seduction25/10/19 08:14 PM
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"even without displaying personality, women will approach them frequently" Believe me, they're displaying personality. All people, and especially women, can guess a person's personality in just a few seconds. It's too long to go into here. Since you doubt yourself so much, you should circle back and work on inner game while putting more effort into grooming, clothes and posture. But inner game is the most important. Don't worry you can develop the confidence to create attraction like your friend…
/r/seduction25/10/19 06:26 PM
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Good post. Get out of your head.
/r/seduction25/10/19 03:53 PM
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Better lump it, because unless they pony up for a bootcamp, infields are the only thing that guys have which will help them learn how to talk to women in real life. You can't read PUA books like Models, The Natural, Mystery Method, 3% Man and then go out and chat up girls like an SOB. It would take months to learn that real pickup is a lot more boring sounding than any book implies. 1) There actually lots of UK infields where they approach and have nice interactions with British girls. If there …
/r/seduction25/10/19 03:41 PM
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I'm not sure if many Chinese tourist girls are DTF. It doesn't seem that their culture is in a place where they are confident enough to go overseas and hook up with guys. Compared to say, Brits, Scandanavians, French, Australian, Canadian. A Chinese girl living in the West, yes. On a 2 week vacation? Maybe not.
/r/seduction25/10/19 03:07 PM
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Cheating situations seem to work out for guys who are total PUA fuckboys with tons of confidence, totally cool and really discreet. They can't help attracting women and women can't help banging them. They know how to get what they want and they know enough to avoid crazy bitches on ego trips. If that doesn't describe you, but this is a one-off situation ... it isn't going to begin or end well. I mean, if you're a regular guy who doesn't cut a huge swath through women and this girl is the only ba…
/r/seduction25/10/19 02:58 PM
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Who do you live with in your house? First thing you do is talk to them. I don't care if you're an introvert ... even introverts can say, "How's it going" and then listen politely. Do you have a family? When you're with them do the same thing. Doesn't matter if you've been a social zero with these people until now. No woman will ever show a shred of interest in a guy who can't even talk like an adult to his roommates and family. You won't even be able to approach a woman and say "Excuse me" if yo…
/r/seduction25/10/19 02:47 PM
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Clubs, volunteering, festivals (music, food and wine) the world is full of opportunities to meet people. Many dance clubs (salsa, swing, ballroom) have beginner nights where they recruit and teach new members.
/r/seduction24/10/19 09:00 PM
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This sounds a bit too obsessive to qualify to get help on this reddit. You should study game from the ground up to learn how to get good with women in general. If you don't then you're only going to get 2 pieces of advice here: 1) "Just talk to her" or, "Just ask her out" 2) "She isn't interested, forget her." When you're obsessed with one girl it's called oneitis. Chasing just one girl is difficult because you're nervous, and the girl is usually turned off by your needy attention. Learning game…
/r/seduction24/10/19 08:50 PM
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Robert Greene's book is useless. Read a variety of other books on pickup, dating, self improvement etc. and don't worry about how Casanova and Errol Flynn picked up women. Books on modern, everyday dating are far more practical. Sounds like you might want to start with so called inner game books i.e. psychological self help. There are some really good ones out there.
/r/seduction24/10/19 08:42 PM
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Potentially, yes. That would be about 1% of the way toward getting a date with her. Do you even know where to begin?
/r/seduction24/10/19 08:36 PM
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There are text game guides, messaging game guides out there, look them up. Also Tinder guides which have lots on texting. They have good takes on when and how to text her, when to phone her instead, dealing with cold cases, arrogant girls, etc.
/r/seduction24/10/19 08:34 PM
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Think of her invulnerability as nothing but a mask to try to hide her vulnerability. Not that you bring it up, but treat it in a cool but knowing way. Reframing it this way might fix your mojo. Once you look for them it's easy to see signs of vulnerability. Not to use it against a person but in order to be more calibrated and real.
/r/seduction24/10/19 04:14 PM
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You're like a job interviewer. "You seem like a good candidate." Smile. "If it doesn't work out then I have 5 more people to interview so my shorts are not in a bunch hoping you'll accept."
/r/seduction24/10/19 03:59 PM
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Maybe you should be more blunt. And convey non-neediness at the same time. "I'll give you something stable" In a tone that strongly implies (1) you mean a rock hard dick, and (2) you really don't give a damn what she thinks or what her friends think. Find an appropriate frame and stick to it. Such as: "You're cute, I know you're into me, and I'm just the kind of guy you've been hoping would ravish you." If she resists your frame, stick to it even harder. "It's cute that you're shy like this, com…
/r/seduction24/10/19 03:56 PM
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It sounds like you have her push her buttons more. I'm going to give some things to try. Is your sex good? Up your game and become an animal in bed. Rip her clothes off, push her onto the bed, make animal noises when you suck her tits and eat her pussy. Slap her ass before you rage fuck her, pull her hair and order her to suck you off ... to the finish. Talk dirty and be noisy. Sorry to get graphic but this is what really impresses chicks and I don't want to make you guess wtf to do. Be more sas…
/r/seduction24/10/19 03:45 PM
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The criteria to use when coming up with stuff like this are: Entertaining, interesting, mysterious or smart alecky Not what other guys would text Open ended Never a question with a question mark Doesn't imply you're lonely and pining for her
/r/seduction23/10/19 10:42 PM
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I kind of ignored most of that part of Models, about being honest and vulnerable. Not that I act like a dishonest hard-ass, but this advice didn't pass my gut check. Fortunately I read lots of other books on self improvement and dating ... keeping the best parts and ignoring the ideas that seemed not so good. I dislike when guys get on here and push one particular book as "all you need". It's simple minded and it can slow down guys' progress.
/r/seduction23/10/19 10:32 PM
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Immediate effects? None. If you mean, "score women immediately". Reading Models by Mark Manson had the immediate effect of launching me down the long path of self improvement. For a while I was a self improvement and dating book junkie. Progress has been very steady since then but never fast. If you're already fairly good with women, I'll bet some of those Tinder guides would accelerate your sex life pretty quickly.
/r/seduction23/10/19 09:00 PM
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You might try daily affirmations such as: "I'm a fun guy. Women find me sexy. I get a happy glow when women are attracted to me. I love women and they love me back." Sounds dumb but it can be very effective. You're literally brainwashing yourself.
/r/seduction23/10/19 08:51 PM
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Eventually you should be able to develop a warm, funny and sexy presence on the phone which generates and holds interest. No biggie really ... it's the same presence you need to have IRL on the date anyways. That presence or vibe will feed back into your text game. It comes from practice and from working on inner game in the ways outlined in many PUA books.
/r/seduction23/10/19 08:46 PM
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Teasing non-sequiturs. "Hey trouble" "You look like you'd be bad for my organs" "Hi babe" ... wait a couple seconds ... "Ah sorry that was for someone else. Sorry!"
/r/seduction23/10/19 07:35 PM
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Invite her to your place but with a reason why it would be a good idea. Because you make a mean lasagna, you make awesome margeritas, or you're just so damn busy with homework or something. It's BS but women are usually happy to have an excuse for plausible deniability.
/r/seduction23/10/19 07:23 PM
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Yes. I think that people are more happy and they're more attractive when they act friendly and flirtatious with lots of other people. Both girls and guys should be that way. Doesn't mean that you should sleep with lots of people. That's up to you. But it's more fun to be an outgoing, flirtatious person. It's sexy. It shouldn't be like you're putting on an act that isn't really "you". My philosophy is, humans are a little bit promiscuous by instinct. If you act flirtatious it should be the natura…
/r/seduction23/10/19 07:15 PM
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Practice being nice, fun and funny with unattractive women as well as on guys and on attractive women. Yes, you're allowed. People are seldom offended when you're nice to them. What people calling "flirting" when you do it with attractive women is practically identical, word-for-word, with friendly conversations you have with other types of people. The difference, which makes it romantic or sexual, is mostly in subtle aspects such as body language. Do you want examples?
/r/seduction23/10/19 03:42 PM
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In my experience, being in a band alone doesn't get you anywhere, you have to really put yourself out there and be the funnest guy in the band. Social circle game is great. Take the long term view. Make yourself attractive, fun, discreet and with a romantic or sexual vibe ... without being that guy in the circle who's like, "oh god I want a woman". Pay attention and you'll literally hear girls talking among themselves ... about "that guy" who's always hitting on them or mooning around them like …
/r/seduction23/10/19 03:20 PM
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Yeah. Raising your drink, nodding, smiling, etc. He goes on to describe how to use the IOI to break into a large set by assuming familiarity and disarming the cockblocks ... "oh he already knows her".
/r/seduction22/10/19 11:20 PM
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What happened to the guy who was posting Miami Beach infields every day? He had a really easygoing manner like, hi how y'all doing today, and totally ordinary friendly game ... where you from and so on.
/r/seduction22/10/19 11:12 PM
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Many guys have self esteem issues or they haven't ever got used to being around girls. So they either feel unworthy of your attention or they love it but don't have a clue how to react. Sad but true. Or he's been reading this reddit and guys told him, "Don't act too eager, bro!" Anyways ... one of the things I like to tell guys to do is, "game lots of girls" ie. simultaneously or in parallel. They get more practice, cast a wider net, and they don't get all obsessed and needy over a single crush.…
/r/seduction22/10/19 07:12 PM
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You're doing great. Especially since you're fearless and don't mind approaching with the 2 second rule or whatever. I think that someone like Gambler, he's an introvert and liked the idea of a shortcut to make things easier. He also got into club promoting like many PUAs so instead of running game they just have to round up a posse of HBs using their club connections. Really appreciate the Steve Jabba tip ... I never knew but was always intrigued by Gambler's endorsement.
/r/seduction22/10/19 05:28 PM
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Pickup aka seduction techniques rarely work if you learn them just to use on one particular girl. They work in aggregate, as you learn to be more attractive and sociable you find that you're both attracted to more women, and more women find you attractive.
/r/seduction22/10/19 05:19 PM
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Search for text game, or message game guides. Also Tinder guides. Lots of great help out there with many real examples broken down and explained.
/r/seduction22/10/19 05:08 PM
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A masculine frame is to either laugh at yourself: "Crickets ..." or "Tough crowd!" Or just act like you don't give the slightest fuck whether anyone thinks you're funny or not. Or masculine for that matter.
/r/seduction22/10/19 05:06 PM
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Thanks for the FR! Maybe you could have avoided wasting time with opens 1 to 6 by forcing IOIs first and not bothering with the hard "no's". Richard La Ruina's youtube talk on night game describes this technique. I wanna sit down and learn his friend's dance move sometime ... lol
/r/seduction22/10/19 05:02 PM
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Gotta chase other women. Even if you're not dating a lot or sleeping with them, you will be wrapped up in your head making plans for the new prospects and your feelings for the ex will shrink to mere nostalgia. Faking nonchalance is possible as suggested listening to rap and wearing an awesome costume but why fake it? Trying to get with lots of women is more real and more fun.
/r/seduction22/10/19 04:55 PM
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To say that experience is necessary in order to generate confidence is really saying that you have zero self-belief and that you can only be redeemed by other people's praise. All wrong. You need to work on your own, inner self esteem that is entirely separate from anyone else's judgement of you. If you don't believe me, go get the book The Six Pillars of Self Esteem. Read it and do the exercises in it. As for your anxiety and fear: do you have warm relationships with normal people not including…
/r/seduction22/10/19 04:48 PM
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You need to work on inner game until you stop believing in leagues and stop needlessly assigning people to this league or that league. Do you have qualities of warmth, humor, generosity, sexiness that women could benefit from? Is there a woman alive who doesn't appreciate warmth, humor, generosity and sexiness?
/r/seduction22/10/19 04:29 PM
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Yeah it's fucked up but for laughs, send her: "Asking for a friend lol"
/r/seduction22/10/19 04:18 PM
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Lol tell her, well ... I paid for the condoms!
/r/seduction22/10/19 04:12 AM
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Potential banter comebacks: Say please. I gave up doing favors for hot women for Lent. My therapist said I have to assert myself more. So, no. She's actually really hot ... Ok. Just put it over there and I'll try to get to it later. Sorry, what did you say? I was checking out your shoes. You know why shoes are important? ... Because good taste in shoes implies good taste in underwear. Is that why your last intern quit? That's good, but try it like Uma Thurman: (sultry) "Can you bring this to HR?…
/r/seduction22/10/19 04:09 AM
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IMHO not necessary to have them or use them at all. Especially if you're not naturally drawn to them for their own sake. For example. fb to keep in touch with old friends, cousins, aunts, etc. or IG cause you like to follow fashion, car racing, photography, celebrities or whatever. Even then you have to either post personal content that is VERY strong, or post nothing.
/r/seduction22/10/19 02:35 AM
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PUA strategies are simple. Be as good looking and confident as possible. Understand yourself and understand women. But where to begin? Game is straightforward but recognizing and stripping away previously learned, unsatisfactory attitudes and habits is complicated because they're so ingrained. Every guy finds certain things easy and other things hard. The hard things are called his "sticking points". What are yours? If you haven't read up and studied game then you might have a hard time recogniz…
/r/seduction22/10/19 02:26 AM
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Women are hilarious. Since you're here you might as well study game (see recommended reading) and eventually you'll get to the topic of "frame". It's the mental structure you impose on a relationship defining, "what's really happening here." If you like a woman and think she's worth pursuing in spite of her weird or emotional behavior the best frame is to tell yourself this: "She's cute. She's into me. Even when she pretends to scorn me, it's still cute." This should govern the way you look at h…
/r/seduction22/10/19 02:15 AM
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Either way, has to be neat. Same with facial hair and for bald guys, keep it clean. Get a nose and ear hair trimmer. As for sloppy trousers and sloppy shoes, same with hair. If you can't take care of your hair properly how can you take care of a woman. Oops that's guy advice. Prove me wrong.
/r/seduction22/10/19 01:58 AM
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Disagree. Some pretty ugly ones IMHO but they seem to get by, by dressing fairly well but not spectacularly, and just being the coolest guy they can be. And being really fearless when they talk to girls.
/r/seduction22/10/19 01:52 AM
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Girls give teens a lot of slack. Don't worry! Just be the best looking, coolest guy you can be.
/r/seduction22/10/19 01:46 AM
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A movie can be a plus, IF afterwards you capitalize on the emotional spikes that happened in the movie. Examples: Romantic movie in the Titanic genre. Afterwards clown around by offering your arm when you go down stairs or cross a road. Get down on bended knee and kiss her hand. Be courtly and funny. A horror movie. You walk past a dark alley, pretend you saw something in the shadows, yell "Aaagh!" and clutch her like you're afraid. Then say sorry, sorry. Until 5 minutes later when you do it aga…
/r/seduction22/10/19 01:43 AM
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Good luck. I'm sure your instinct of what to do is right. I've been thinking lately, I should take a time out and go re-read my favorite self help and PUA books, try to recapture some of those ideas.
/r/seduction22/10/19 01:24 AM
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I'm pretty sure I was like you. I used to think, great they've figured out what's wrong with guys like me. But now I think that giving it a name and calling it a syndrome is completely fucked up and unhelpful. This unprofessional advice. But I think you should ignore everything to do with "Asbergers" and just work on self improvement. You are what they used to call a "late bloomer" or if you don't improve, a "confirmed bachelor". It's all bullshit though, you are what you believe. You might not …
/r/seduction21/10/19 11:45 PM
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Ok let's work on the paralysis. The closest thing I had to that was: I could be fun and easygoing with regular people but when I looked into the eyes of a beautiful woman I felt like I was falling off a cliff and got tongue tied. Partly, I addressed it by making notes about my interactions with women and spending a few minutes writing down "how I could have handled it better." Also studying funny banter lines. Not so I could regurgitate them but to visualize future interactions in which I'm bree…
/r/seduction21/10/19 11:25 PM
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Ok. I sympathize! I'm going to toss out possible strategies to use if this happens again, stream of consciousness style. Just for fun and practice. 1) "Uh huh. Uh huh" until she notices that you're bored and/or patronizing her. "Ah sorry I was thinking of something else. Continue!" with a definite smirk. Because the frame is, "you're cute and I'm gonna keep on mentally undressing you while you talk." 2) Interrupt with oral orgasm wisecrack as above. Or other DHV sexual spike. 3) "Hey I can tell …
/r/seduction21/10/19 10:37 PM
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The principle is this: we are primates. When a primate communicates with emotions to other primates, they can only sustain it as long as the other primate(s) mirror their emotion. Meaning imitate their emotion and feed it back to them. Ie. sympathize. It's how fear, anger, grief and joy spread through a tribe of chimps. But when a primate gets zero positive feedback they drop it immediately. It's a waste of time and they feel isolated emotionally. So when you make a joke that falls flat, you sto…
/r/seduction21/10/19 07:38 PM
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Lol, pay attention ... The second one is only superficially about encouraging her to talk about her ex. You're not sympathetically listening to her at all. Only pretending to, in a very nice way. You're inviting her to go ahead and spill her guts about her ex, but you're not giving her any sympathy. As soon as she notices that she isn't getting emotional feedback (which will be very quickly) she'll give up.
/r/seduction21/10/19 07:15 PM
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You have to participate and help set the tone. There is no way you can make 100 people with various opinions focus on something. They don't get together to discuss priorities and decide on talking points. And there's a big caveat: if a guy shows up here, asks one question about one situation with one girl, only reads the direct responses and then disappears, he'll get exactly what he deserves. He'll either "just take his shot", "give up and move on" or he'll try a line which will never work beca…
/r/seduction21/10/19 07:06 PM
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" telling guys just be yourself, bro is about the worst advice you can give a guy " True. The specific answers which reflect that attitude are: "Just take your shot" and, "Move on she isn't into you." The reason why I give guys advice on what to say or text is because it's good practice for game situations, and it's fun. I kept a log book for a couple years to review and rethink my interactions with women. Now I run game simulations by brainstorming guys texting and conversational problems on re…
/r/seduction21/10/19 06:56 PM
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Meditation and daily affirmations help. 15 minutes or so once a day for a while. Also you might look at the book Emotional Intelligence.
/r/seduction21/10/19 06:19 PM
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You can turn around anything like this, judo-like. If you want to sexually escalate, no what matter she's complaining about, interrupt her and say: "You mean he couldn't give you multiple orgasms orally?" With a look of sassy, fake sympathy because you're thinking almost aloud, "Orgasms R Us baby, let's bury the past starting in five minutes from now." Or if you're a nice guy trying to build a relationship: "You mean he didn't listen to you enough? Tell me more." But basically stare in her eyes …
/r/seduction21/10/19 06:12 PM
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"TLDR: feel that this sub focusses on what to say and how to act instead of improving yourself" WTF are you talking about. This sub doesn't focus on anything. It has hundreds of contributers and their advice reflects many different viewpoints and philosophies. Some people give advice on "what to say and how to act". The reason why they don't add the advice, "and you should also improve yourself" is because (a) it's obvious, and (b) many, many other threads and every book ever written about datin…
/r/seduction21/10/19 06:01 PM
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Do you have confidence in yourself that you could game the girl, her sister, other girls in the bar, or all of the above? Preferably option 3 because nothing says, "I'm a sex god who doesn't give a fuck" like outrageously gaming women in front of a chick who acts like you're only friend material.
/r/seduction21/10/19 05:41 PM
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Read the book Test Shock. Among other things it talks about the correlation between sexual activity including masturbation and testosterone levels. The situation is somewhat complicated. No matter what the hormonal effect I think masturbation tends to reduce your sex drive ie. motivation to go out and get with real women. And when you're hitting on a woman your reduced motivation comes through loud and clear.
/r/seduction21/10/19 05:09 PM
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It's weird and it's inexplicable by science ... but women's ESP is unerring. You're here because you're exasperated with chicks treating you this way. Pretty natural reaction. But so called alpha guys aka PUAs literally don't give a fuck. The amazing thing is that women can look at you and talk to you for 5 minutes in a noisy bar and they know what you will do if they ghost you or flake on you. Fucking incredible but true. Fake alpha guys and newbs learn tricks like negging or "breaking rapport"…
/r/seduction21/10/19 05:03 PM
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He makes a really good point. One of the underlying objections to learning PUA and dating skills is that it teaches so called "low class" guys to better themselves socially. Meaning guys who are not handsome or wealthy and therefore are not socially "allowed" to get with attractive women. It has an exact parallel with sumptuary laws. These were used historically when advances in technology and increases in wealth allowed peasants to afford fine clothing and mimic the upper classes. They outlawed…
/r/seduction21/10/19 04:16 PM
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"the biggest indicator of interest the girl will ever give you is that she's still standing there" Addendum: ... and not constantly looking away from you, avoiding eye contact, looking at her phone, turning her shoulders, hips and feet away from you, and generally making it clear that she's totally uninterested. I have no idea what RSD teaches but signs of disinterest are not hard to figure out.
/r/seduction21/10/19 01:51 AM
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Game lots of women. If you screw up with one woman you'll hardly have time to beat yourself up because you'll be already thinking about your next interaction with someone else. It gives you more of a "I don't give a fuck" attitude and women pick up on it immediately. I'm talking about social circle game mostly. In general neediness comes from a lack of belief that you have a lot to offer women so every bit of developing inner game helps.
/r/seduction21/10/19 01:42 AM
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He's ego driven and not doing pickup for the right reasons. No point giving him "the talk", just drop him. Who is the guy that Neil Strauss complains about trying to steal people's girls in The Game? I was thinking of that the other day because a couple of London based PUAs were saying that a really well known PUA comes to the UK every so often and all he does is run around the night club trying to break into other guys' sets.
/r/seduction20/10/19 11:48 PM
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I wear very nice, but completely normal clothes. It's like peacocking because where I come from guys are the world's biggest fucking slobs. Nothing stands out as much as my shoes which are nice leather dress shoes on most occasions. Always matching my belt and watch. No jewellery or tats. It's not like wearing a top hat and feather boa ... but it's as close to peacocking as I get. When you walk into a room with dress shoes with a bit of a heel, the clicking turns women's heads. The sharp clothes…
/r/seduction20/10/19 11:36 PM
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Wow you are a deep thinker! I'd probably answer, "I drive the looove machine" and then split a gut laughing.
/r/seduction20/10/19 11:19 PM
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What do you mean, "Social Tests" ... do you mean, them trying to get out of you what you do, what do you drive, how much money you have? Years ago a friend who moved to FL told me, "Women flat out ask you, what do you drive?" as a proxy for basic wealth.
/r/seduction20/10/19 09:14 PM
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Is she literally the only girl that you're pursuing or interested in dating? I didn't read your whole post but from the length alone it looks obsessive. If so it's not your persistence that will turn her off but your neediness. Girls can detect whether you have other dating options or not by a kind of ESP. Inferring it from what you say or text, when you say it, and so on. The more cute and socially normal a girl is, the more she will avoid guys who give her a desperate vibe.
/r/seduction20/10/19 04:26 PM
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Ok, sorry. I lost the thread of what we're talking about. Are we asking for or giving advice for guys to date girls, or just complaining that "girls have it easy" ? If (B) I think there's another reddit for that.
/r/seduction20/10/19 04:21 PM
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It was in a couple of PUA convention lectures on youtube I think by Jonathan Manwhore and probably somebody else. He's all like, "So I told her, Get Down! I'm gonna film you getting facialized." Just saying. Also there was a post on here maybe a couple of months ago by a guy who said he grew up with a lot of black friends and they were totally dominant with any girl they brought home, smashed her and then shared her around with their friends. He said, black, white, Asian, Latina, Jewish, all the…
/r/seduction20/10/19 04:16 PM
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Yeah. Many women are desperate to be seen dating by their girlfriends and parents so they keep on trying. They're casting a wide net hoping they might find a not-too-offensive beta Nice Guy or Provider or if they're very lucky, find a cool guy. You can't change what women do, but understanding how they act and why is the best guide to improving yourself and being a better alternative.
/r/seduction20/10/19 04:08 PM
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I'm not a big fan but many guys highly recommend it. It contains nothing really weird or harmful afaik, just sensible inner and outer game.
/r/seduction20/10/19 03:43 PM
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Gosh too bad there is no possible way to track down someone from their IP. And VPN companies never turn over IP addresses of people who make death threats to the police. You outsmarted the authorities, darn you! EDIT to the community ... how come there is a "report" category for threatening self harm but not for making death threats against others? This is the second time in the last month or so that a guy has gone off the deep end like this on r/seduction. This guy needs intervention before peo…
/r/seduction20/10/19 03:39 PM
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Don't focus in women at first, stand off a bit and try to connect with the sounds and atmosphere. If you're in a good place physically and mentally then things will go better. The louder the music, the more that body language counts. But it can't be faked it... it only looks right if you're physically comfortable with the venue and with yourself. Social proof comes from being friendly with everyone including employees, guys and girls. If it's difficult at first, start by standing in one place an…
/r/seduction20/10/19 03:16 PM
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Don't just look at his height and say, too bad I'm short. He wouldn't get any attention from girls if he didn't have game. Which probably means some combination of charm, cockiness, non neediness, easy touching, and he might groom and dress really well. You've been given a golden opportunity to learn game, for free. Hang around with him, just be quiet and be cool. Watch what he does when he enters a party or a bar. Watch for when he establiahes eye contact. When he interacts with a girl, is he f…
/r/seduction20/10/19 03:08 PM
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Some women use tantrums etc. to get what they want ... then again so do some men. But in general I think that most women can barely manage their own emotions let alone manipulate the emotions and behavior of guys. You should be alert to "what's going on" when a woman acts emotional. Be unreactive and don't be too quick to ascribe it to some kind of scheming plot. It could be ex-bf issues, Daddy issues or anxiety over her self esteem or lack of it.
/r/seduction20/10/19 02:54 PM
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A nice city walk with some slightly challenging terrain such as rock hopping across a stream or climbing a 3 foot high rock. Or just lead her by walking on top of a (safe) parapet. Lots of opportunities for incidental kino. Change the scene by popping into a coffee shop or bar. Did I mention that this has to be a very short walk or transit hop to your place or hers? Where wine, refreshments, phone chargers, a bathroom etc. are conveniently located. Ikea store, role playing that you're a couple. …
/r/seduction20/10/19 02:43 PM
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All shit tests, bitch shields, etc. need to be treated by holding the frame, "Awww that's cute! She's into me but has this cute defense mechanism against hot guys who are into her." I'm guessing that with Indian girls they have a LOT of inhibitions based on extreme cultural brainwashing (extreme compared to the West). But they obviously are wired deep down in their instincts to be flirtatious and sexual. Your only chance is to acknowledge and accept these two opposing traits and deal with them w…
/r/seduction20/10/19 02:36 PM
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A girl can get tons of dates if she wants. But sit down sometime with a girl and listen to her describe what complete chodes 90% plus of guys are. They dress and groom badly and most don't work out much. They complain a lot about their job, their ex's, and about how so many women are "stuck up". They don't respect women, listen to them, or empathize with them. If they make it to the bedroom, their technique is pretty lousy. You can improve your dating life by learning to make yourself attractive…
/r/seduction20/10/19 02:23 PM
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Yeah the plan B example is for strangers with whom there isn't time yet to establish a vibe. For plan A it should be subtle and unspoken. Hard to explain ... it's mostly inner programming to convince yourself that you have an honest, unapologetic attraction to women. You literally never have to say, "Yeah it's a date" or, "I'm attracted to you" to any woman that you have spent more than about 5 minutes with. As one of my friends who is a great natural PUA put it, "It's that big, I-want-to-fuck-y…
/r/seduction20/10/19 04:55 AM
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