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| 2 | [FR] F-closed a feministNeat story, quick question though: What's the deal with "raw dogging"? Is this considered alpha all of a sudden? This is definitely not the thing I would be endorsing. | /r/TheRedPill | 05/01/13 05:39 PM |
| 6 | I think we should tone down the Us vs Them.Hmmm...thinking about this, perhaps we should be more antagonistic. Because I don't want herds of luke-warm, izzisfereal, purple-pillers populating this place. I don't want to pull people in, going around justifying ourselves to people with Disney princesses dancing in their heads. I only want people who feel trapped here, who are thrown here by experiences in their life that compel them. This subreddit is growing by leaps and bounds, and this isn't by seeming less offensive, it's because people… | /r/TheRedPill | 05/01/13 05:31 PM |
| 1 | TofuTofu explains preselection to a sedditor -- this is a good example of red pill materialI think there's a controversy on this though. What you're talking about may actually be social proof rather than preselection. Some guys get the wrong idea that they are getting the benefits of preselection by maintaining beta orbiter status around women who have rejected them, who they are LJBF's with. This might actually be negative preselection. On the other hand, it probably does happen among mature social groups that the women in your group are happy and stable with their SO's, yet hang out… | /r/TheRedPill | 04/01/13 04:32 PM |
| 1 | TofuTofu explains preselection to a sedditor -- this is a good example of red pill materialI like the mods over on Seddit for the most part. I think the interesting part of this interaction is the point of view of the blue piller that he's talking to. His point of view is completely understandable, reasonable, natural, and wrong. Why would a woman be interested in me more simply because other women are interested in me? It seems like game-playing in the worst way, and it is uncertain who is playing games with who. The red pill moment is when you realize that women aren't actually play… | /r/TheRedPill | 04/01/13 04:12 PM |
| 2 | What's the difference between this place and /r/MensRights?ive found action prompts inner development as well. Agreed. Too much "inner game" circlejerk turns into self-help tripe, seddit into a group therapy session. Are they talking about us on Roosh's forum? I know Rational Male talked about his Reddit followers, I don't know if that's specifically referring to us or not. Until us, there's really no redeeming virtue to Reddit or Seddit for that matter. | /r/TheRedPill | 04/01/13 03:31 AM |
| 3 | What's the difference between this place and /r/MensRights?To be as clear and concrete as possible, this is the Reddit arm of the manosphere: A series of interlinked blogs, web forums that discuss not just game, but the sexual politics and sexual economics of relationships and marriages from a male point of view. This place isn't Mens Rights at all, which just tries to be inverse feminism: To do for men what feminism does for women. The difference between us and Mens Rights is that we're not progressives, we believe the difference between the sexes is s… | /r/TheRedPill | 04/01/13 03:13 AM |
| 3 | A very insightful analysis of the nature of relationships - "Man affections vs boy affections"Thanks so much for linking to this. I'm in a relationship now, and even though I've read a lot of red pill material, I'm having a hard to time applying it. The thing to understand is that the woman you're in a relationship with wants you to be the man that she loves. She's been waiting all her life to love a man. But the hard part is being the man she loves, while thirsting for love yourself. On paper, it sounds easy. It's not easy. | /r/TheRedPill | 02/01/13 06:22 AM |
| 1 | Tell me about your Moral CodeTo that end, having an understanding of what you consider to be moral, Where you draw the line, what your willing to do and not do, is useful. This is true. But learning about other people's morality...not so much. | /r/seduction | 02/01/13 06:11 AM |
| 0 | How to respond to Girls saying "I miss you" or "I wish you were here"Argumentum ad populum. | /r/seduction | 02/01/13 06:06 AM |
| 1 | Tell me about your Moral CodeThis has nothing to do with seduction and is just going to create heated arguments. People don't have a moral code, that have a morality, and don't generally appreciate people who live and believe differently than they do, which is why this thread is unwise. | /r/seduction | 01/01/13 06:52 PM |
| 0 | How to respond to Girls saying "I miss you" or "I wish you were here"No one wants a conceited emotionless lover who never reciprocates. Illiterate. I've no idea why you think equality is a bad thing. Experience. I'm a girl | /r/seduction | 01/01/13 06:50 PM |
| 0 | The old "I was date raped when I was drunk" story I hear semi-regularlyPersonally, I loath any loosening of the concept of rape. You can't widen a term without weakening it, and the whole point of using a term like "rape" is to draw clear, bold lines around behavior that is completely unacceptable. I hate rape. I'm talking about real rape. It's the lowest form of male who feels he must force himself on a woman, it's a clear sign of omega-dom, like young guys who go on shooting sprees in elementary schools. The pragmatics of "date rape", in my opinion, is simply thi… | /r/TheRedPill | 31/12/12 06:07 PM |
| 2 | What if hot whores were cheap, legal, and clean? « Random Xpat RantingsWell, look at the economics of it the other way around. Prostitutes are all about supply and demand. I think generally prostitutes are a sign that men, usually married men or men in committed relationships, aren't getting any at home. Prostitution is a sure general sign of how beta men in society are. There are always far more betas than alphas in any society, but there are times when this ratio becomes extreme. Prostitution is demand-driven, their rates go up as there are more horny men trollin… | /r/TheRedPill | 31/12/12 05:51 PM |
| 0 | How to respond to Girls saying "I miss you" or "I wish you were here"It's one of those things where it sounds bad, but in practice it isn't. Try it sometime, and she will love you more for it. Equalize yourself with her, and she will grow resentful. | /r/seduction | 31/12/12 05:39 PM |
| 2 | [Mod] Posting Rules DiscussionIt's probably best not to get into subreddit drama for it's own sake. There are better subs for that. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/12 05:20 PM |
| 1 | How to respond to Girls saying "I miss you" or "I wish you were here"Kind of disagree. Don't try to equalize yourself with a woman. There's a tendency to want to repay debts, you feel that because she says something sweet to you, that you should say or do something sweet back. You need to get over your need to do this. | /r/seduction | 30/12/12 04:45 PM |
| 3 | Ask Women ExperimentThe key is to ask questions in a way that doesn't provoke indignation. That's something you'll see in the women-oriented subs (or women-oriented media), is that women love indignation, and they are offended easily. It doesn't matter what the "truth" is, women are more interested in how offensive a proposition than if it is true. It's basically solipsism of intellect. The primary concern of a proposition is "How does it make me feel?" Women will avoid reading things that make them feel lousy, and… | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/12 04:04 PM |
| 2 | Comprehensive Alpha Male Game Guideand more concerned with writing about the theoretical aspects of feminism and the feminine imperative. In my opinion, there are plenty of books and blogs out there about game. Similarly, there really isn't that much to say about game. Learn maybe 12 different principles, and everything else is art and experience. I believe in this subreddit because I believe that this place covers topics that don't really fit elsewhere on reddit. Honestly, on reddit, you're going to learn more about game on sedd… | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/12 06:41 AM |
| 8 | Comprehensive Alpha Male Game GuideTaking the Red Pill is Game. Disagree. The Red Pill is theory; Game is practice. The Red Pill is knowledge; Game is experience. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/12 06:35 AM |
| 3 | Some Red Pill Wisdom from 4chanhttp://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/odcqb/apparently_some_4chan_user_came_to_the_exact_same/c3gevpq | /r/TheRedPill | 28/12/12 10:59 PM |
| 4 | Some Red Pill Wisdom from 4chanI copy/pasted the text of this a long time ago and it's on my kindle. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/12/12 04:16 PM |
| 5 | It's threads like this that remind of why game will always work...Truth is, every guy's got a game. Most guy's game are just based on what they think should work, and by every token or logic, it really should. In a rational world, being nice to a woman would make that woman like you more. Having a sense of humor, making her laugh, this should be the only game you should need. Then it's simply a matter of being physically attractive enough. This makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that the guy just as physically attractive as you, or worse, will have better… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/12/12 04:15 PM |
| 9 | It's threads like this that remind of why game will always work...Exactly. This is effectively a "romantic comedy" staple at this point. How many rom coms or regular comedies are based on the theme "beta guy wins girl" or "beta guy wins girl over alpha guy" or "beta guy proves he is alpha to win girl"? There are so many. And this is simply because there are far more beta guys out there than alphas. Sad truth is, these movies aren't actually popular for women, they don't particularly like seeing these beta guys on the big screen (go figure). Honestly, if I had … | /r/TheRedPill | 28/12/12 04:11 PM |
| 1 | A mother's letter to today's women (x-post from /r/mensrightsWith this logic, all the woman's life is related to her kids and her husband. Thing is...this doesn't come from men, it comes from women. Women make kids, family, house a priority. Men wouldn't be out there struggling to earn nearly so much money if it wasn't for women who are obsessed with the way the house looks. (Of course, we're all speaking in generalities.) Why would a woman want to get married at 20, or earlier, and have nothing to say about her life other than: I got married and had kids… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/12/12 03:56 PM |
| 1 | A mother's letter to today's women (x-post from /r/mensrightsI think the reason is because women are hypergamous: They always want better. Look, you're using euphemisms: "having fun, experience life"...um, you mean sex? Here, read this: http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/five-minutes-of-alpha/ Five minutes of alpha — even worse, five minutes of alpha rejection — can fuck with the heads of even the most desirable women. And continue fucking with them years later. In comparison — if the reports are to be believed — women who divorce beta schlubs a… | /r/TheRedPill | 27/12/12 05:58 AM |
| -3 | Almost a hundred subscribers! Welcome newcomers.Doesn't this tend to come up if someone touches them without permission, though? You don't need permission to touch somebody. Learn kino. In fact, feeling like you need permission is a beta-signal. touching without explicit verbal permissions is an accepted part of the flirtation process with alphas. I don't think this has anything to do with "being alpha". Honestly, the way you're talking, it sounds like you might be a victim of love-shyness, social isolation, sexual repression, or just anxiety… | /r/TheRedPill | 27/12/12 05:14 AM |
| 2 | Hard time accepting casual sexI think you're right about the average. I think for a 24-25 yr old woman, the variation is high. There are probably as many 25 yr old virgins as women with 40 lays. It isn't all dependent on attractiveness, I suspect locale is more really most important. For instance, do you live in a conservative or licentious area? Or more importantly, how alpha are the guys around you? That's probably the most important factor. | /r/seduction | 24/12/12 05:47 PM |
| 8 | Why women lose the dating game - Mainstream article about hypergamy and SMVAgreed. 75% of the red pill is understanding that Nature trumps Nurture. The belief in Nurture or the agnosticism of "it's too complicated!" is simply our ideology. For instance, feminism and it's belief that virtually everything is a social construct if something is brought up that sounds too reasonable. Red pill knowledge isn't that uncommon, it's just been simplified, vulgarized, and ridiculed. For instance, there's always been this idea that women are interested in money, a vulgarized and fa… | /r/TheRedPill | 24/12/12 05:22 PM |
| -1 | I have come to announce: Project Big BallsIf that is all you got from my post then you really need a tougher skin. Good thing you have guys like me around who log in here every now and then and don't ignore you altogether. | /r/seduction | 24/12/12 05:03 PM |
| -8 | I have come to announce: Project Big BallsNot gonna work. You can't train confidence by going around being stupid not-give-a-fuck. Instead of this stupid confidence circle-jerking, just buy Mark Manson's Models or something like that. At least he has a plan with some good justification. It's not even understood exactly what is meant by confidence. It is actually a whole bunch of things bound up together: knowledge, experience with women, experience with your job, venue or locale, free of anxiety or shame, maturity, fashion-sense (feelin… | /r/seduction | 23/12/12 04:57 PM |
| -1 | You Don't Have to Be AlphaDo what you feel comfortable doing, not what someone says you should do. But he just told me to do what I'm comfortable doing! Therefore I shouldn't do what I'm comfortable doing? Someone told me I should just be myself, therefore I've not been myself. Then isn't it being myself to not be myself? I think the key to enlightenment is to one-hand clap the meaning of these koans. | /r/seduction | 23/12/12 04:30 PM |
| 5 | The Actual Rules of Alpha-Male.I got my girlfriend with a similar thing. If I was to generalize, really women respond to a certain demeanor in your face. This demeanor is triggered by you talking about passionate subjects, you get wholly into it. It's a thing, especially for intellectual men, but it needs to be authentic and not supplicating, looking for a reaction, etc. For guys thinking that only jocks get laid, you couldn't be more wrong. It also sucks sometimes though: It is exactly when I am the most serious about talkin… | /r/seduction | 23/12/12 06:36 AM |
| 2 | Thread about what the "dark" part of "dark side" PUA is removed from /r/askseddit. There will be no red pill discussion today, seddit.There's no line. As per usual, it all depends on how it is being written out, or the maturity and/or experience of the spectator. The worst critics of any game principles are the foreveralone virgins who are still running into walls trying to follow the script, they think kissing a woman without asking first is "rapey". For women, generally, if you have to ask, the answer is no. "No" is the reaction, the bodily response to escalation. Escalation is the question itself. There's no need to verbali… | /r/TheRedPill | 23/12/12 06:25 AM |
| 4 | Thread about what the "dark" part of "dark side" PUA is removed from /r/askseddit. There will be no red pill discussion today, seddit.It really isn't "dark side" vs "light side" PUA. It's "mature" vs "immature" PUA. Or you might as well say "experienced" vs "inexperienced" PUA. With maturity, the perspective of the experienced, "dark" looks "light", "light" looks stupid, evil looks profound. Game is all about the ends justifying the means, and in a way that women and white knights won't fully comprehend until they've been there. Game, in some ways, is the art of moving on, of not deciding to stick with one woman because she se… | /r/TheRedPill | 23/12/12 06:15 AM |
| 1 | What do we find attractive? « The AntidateI thought this was common knowledge but...modeling is for women, not men. Different sorts of modeling is for different tiers of women, and there's a subsection of women who are interested in the ability to attract men while intimidating them...all but the alpha-est of men I guess. Edit: Actually, what I wrote is actually wrong. It really has nothing to do with men at all, we're at best minor characters or even extras, a sort of subplot of a subplot concerning what women are really thinking about… | /r/TheRedPill | 21/12/12 07:04 AM |
| 3 | There’s a reason to be angry « The AntidateMistake #3: You reflect everything you feel inside. If you're bitter, angry and disenfranchised you're going to seek validation of those feelings everywhere. Put good vibes into the world and get that back. This is the blue pill all over again. Most of us have been "putting good vibes into the world", but those were "the old days" when we were young, idealistic, and naive. Especially with regard to women, things didn't turn out the way we expected. Then we start learning about game, and read sed… | /r/TheRedPill | 19/12/12 04:45 PM |
| 5 | I don't find threads like this fun anymore [x-ref AskReddit]Love this post by /u/leodoestheopposite though: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/151z5j/male_redditors_what_hints_have_girls_given_you/c7il022 The interesting thing is that the truth is exactly the opposite of what feminists have been complaining about. Men are being conditioned into not doing what is natural. We're being creep-shamed, male sexuality is being demonized, and this is a social system that, at least in this sort of case, manufactures AFC's. | /r/TheRedPill | 19/12/12 05:10 AM |
| 7 | I don't find threads like this fun anymore [x-ref AskReddit]One of the most important things I learned from game came from Mark Manson. He's not really a "red pill" author, but he at least admits to this much: female sexuality is narcissistic. Women desire being desired. Therefore, "assume attraction". Looking at this in terms alpha=high-T is also interesting. Testosterone makes men horny. Female attraction selects for high-testosterone. Therefore, female attraction selects for men who are horny. Biggest change and improvement to my game was: No longer r… | /r/TheRedPill | 19/12/12 04:42 AM |
| -1 | Feminism isn't the only group doing damage- Men's Rights encourages feminizing men in the name of equal rights...I see your point. And to be fair, having men do more of the cooking can only be a good thing: We eat differently. Women cook with their hormones, and are probably a big reason why there is so much obesity and plain bad health in America. I eat very different than my girlfriend eats. I'm teaching her since we've been together: I eat to live, she lives to eat. I don't think I'll convert her in time. | /r/TheRedPill | 19/12/12 04:04 AM |
| -1 | There’s a reason to be angry « The AntidateYep. There is good reason to be an asshole, frankly. Sadly, I have yet to truly regret treating someone badly (and I'm not even drawing gender lines). Sadly, too many times I've said to myself "I'm glad I treated that person badly when I did, because now it is justified, he/she justified my bad behavior for me." And then there are hot women. Yes, I'm a beta, and most hot women are on a pedestal to me. I know better, and I don't act like it; but I also know that these women have a lot of sexual v… | /r/TheRedPill | 19/12/12 03:59 AM |
| 8 | I don't find threads like this fun anymore [x-ref AskReddit]It's just really sad. Look, beta guys, it's not that you're missing all the hints that women are giving out, it's that you're not getting "hinted at" at all. Look, I'm by most definitions still a beta, but after taking the red pill I know better. Taking the red pill won't make you an alpha, but it will give you your dignity back. | /r/TheRedPill | 19/12/12 03:47 AM |
| 4 | Do Looks Really Matter?Hear, hear! I think the misunderstanding here is what is understood when people talk about "looks". The confusion is in thinking that the opposite sex looks at sexual attraction, sex appeal, in the same way they do. For men, I'd rather say "demeanor" than "looks", but only if you understand "looks" as an essential part of your demeanor. When a guy sizes up his own looks, he'll fallback to the way men see women: He'll smile in the mirror, he'll pose in front of a full length mirror with his shirt… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/12/12 05:23 PM |
| 0 | Blue Pill Intro?I think the main thing is that you can't really get him to swallow the red pill. He really needs to see the chinks in the matrix on his own. | /r/TheRedPill | 09/12/12 09:30 PM |
| -5 | Alpha In Relationships?Have priorities. Probably just this. Look, if you're in this relationship, and it might go long-term, remember that at best you'll be her number two. The maternal instinct is stronger than the feminine instinct, and she will want a child more than a man. So don't make her your number one when, at best, you'll only be her number two. You need to have a life and a mission beyond her, and a whole world or inner life that she will scarcely understand. Basically, make her you number two. | /r/seduction | 08/12/12 05:56 AM |
| 2 | The final shit testMaybe it's just the girl I'm with then. She doesn't mean to do it, and feels bad seeing the bruising she does to me, but it's one of her tells. I asked her about it and she doesn't do this while she's orgasming, but while she is climbing up to orgasm. This is pretty much when it clicked. I've had women do this before, so I know it can't be that uncommon. I know all women are different, but there is a distinctive need to explain this instinct. Men don't have it...few of us have any compulsion to … | /r/TheRedPill | 08/12/12 05:26 AM |
| 2 | I've been practicing game / the dark arts and now I have a woman who is 3 days late for her period on my hands...UPDATE Red river flowing. LOL. I predicted that when I first read the title. Next time, wait longer than 3 days before freaking out. But obviously use a condom unless you're willing to be a dad. In red pill terms, use a fucking condom. That's the only birth control you have. Also, the 28-day cycle isn't law, it alters and changes. Wait for the prego test before you freak. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/11/12 11:32 PM |
| 4 | The final shit testYou're just reading my post with the wrong tone, is all. No, I don't mind getting clawed or bit. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/11/12 11:19 PM |
| 1 | Another "leagues" thread -- do they exist?Women are hypergamous. That is, women have an innate sense of sizing guys up, avoiding losers, and looking for men who are "good enough" for them. I'd avoid thinking that women have "types". Women don't actually have types, they just usually believe they do. It's almost cliche when a woman who thinks she only goes for a certain type is suddenly baffled and bewildered to suddenly find a guy that she just can't stop thinking about but who is completely the wrong "type". It really goes both ways th… | /r/seduction | 25/11/12 07:13 PM |
| 1 | Everything you know about approach anxiety is wrong.Love your post, especially the confidence = competence point. I've often thought of "confidence" as just a sort of adaptation. On other hand, sometimes what's meant/intended is confidence = dominance, which is a different sort of thing. | /r/seduction | 25/11/12 07:02 PM |
| 1 | Everything you know about approach anxiety is wrong.I think there should be a subreddit (or there might already be one) that is just male fashion, for people who are interested in variety. But if you have forum dedicated to "fashion advice" I think that comes with the territory. You have to have some kind of standard of what "good fashion" is in order to give people fashion advice. Otherwise, it's just "anything goes". That said...the tips I've picked up from MFA seem to not be working... | /r/seduction | 25/11/12 06:59 PM |
| 3 | Are a strong reality and a strong sense of identity the same thing? And how does one develop these traits?I don't really know anything about you, and that's sort of the point. That you're asking this online makes me think that you don't have any close friendships/relationships: Nothing really helps a person become well-grounded as much as that does. | /r/seduction | 25/11/12 06:54 PM |
| 1 | I'm looking for a serious relationship not really to pickup. Are the techniques here still helpful with this cause?You should probably try to find someone outside of your friend group. If you are already friends with women in your friend group, you have to ask yourself why you aren't already dating them? The reason is there even if you don't know it. Don't be afraid of pick-up. It doesn't mean that you have to become a player. | /r/seduction | 25/11/12 06:15 PM |
| 7 | Are a strong reality and a strong sense of identity the same thing? And how does one develop these traits?Your post might get deleted by the mods, but the best answer comes from Mark Manson: Self-investment. Work on your education, career, sophisticated hobbies, travel, be well-read, etc. Also, you need to know what you want out of life, find your values, and this will help you find good friends and vice-versa. A strong reality and a strong sense of identity aren't the same thing, but you'll develop one with the other. Strong identity is your assurance in yourself, strong reality is your assurance i… | /r/seduction | 25/11/12 06:10 PM |
| -1 | Shedding unnecessary weight..Hear, hear! You hear, from time to time on seddit, a division about "the friend zone". Some even think that having a bunch of LJBFed female friends is good preselection. But you can tell who the red pill/alphas on seddit are, because they understand this as negative preselection. Positive preselection is being surrounded by women who want you or at least seem to want you. If you absolutely have no friends, having LJBFed female friends might be better than being a loner in terms of social proof, … | /r/TheRedPill | 25/11/12 05:49 PM |
| 1 | What is everyones opinion on girls with boyfriends?You're just being emotional. Read what he's fucking saying. | /r/seduction | 23/11/12 05:09 PM |
| 1 | What is everyones opinion on girls with boyfriends?That's a good point. It is his choice (love the toned down moralizing lately). But you definitely want to avoid the frame of "I'm better than your BF." If he's already her BF, then he's already proven himself "good enough". It's unstable, from her POV, because she thinks she's lost that connection with him. You need to increase your vulnerability in such a situation. | /r/seduction | 23/11/12 05:06 PM |
| 1 | Request: Guide to body hairHmm...generally, I would side with less manscaping to more. I have plenty of body hair, and the women I've been with didn't used to like it until they became intimate with me. It's an acquired taste, and women seem to have an easy time acquiring it. I wouldn't do too much, because I think it is a turn off for women to think that you're spending effort to please them. It's also seen as feminine, which is a turn off. Thing is, when a woman likes you, she'll mold herself to fit you. Women are elast… | /r/seduction | 18/11/12 05:11 PM |
| 1 | Thoughts on the 'friendzone'.“A woman may very well form a friendship with a man, but for this to endure, it must be assisted by a little physical antipathy.” -- Nietzsche | /r/seduction | 18/11/12 05:00 PM |
| 0 | Fuckable at 50Well, I think all women are hypergamous. You've probably had positive experiences with women probably because you're sufficiently high value. A guy like me isn't going to "get to the good ones" just by assuming that women aren't hypergamous. Rather, understanding hypergamy just makes it understandable what my position is. The world makes sense now, rather than believing in some Disney/sitcom-style romance. | /r/TheRedPill | 18/11/12 04:42 PM |
| 0 | The misconception that red pill is just misogyny.All women? Most women? Which women? Based on what data? Your experiences? Your girlfriends? Those questions sound rhetorical. Why even bother if you don't even care about the answers. This sub is for beta men to whine to each other about how certain women in their lives exploited their beta personalities. Big shit. You think you're a psychologist? You're a misogynistic whimp. Strange. Your post sounds more like whining than anything I've written. If this is your attitude, just leave. | /r/TheRedPill | 18/11/12 04:39 PM |
| -2 | The misconception that red pill is just misogyny.I just looked at your user history, I don't see any negative scores currently. Generally, don't complain about downvotes on reddit. We all get them from time to time. | /r/TheRedPill | 18/11/12 04:36 PM |
| 3 | How to Form a Sexual FrameHere's an example. No indirection: I want to have sex with you. One level indirection: You're making me horny. Two level indirection: I love what you're doing to me. Each level of indirection requires that the target makes an inference: I love what you're doing to me because you're making me horny because I want to have sex with you. One level of indirection is generally not enough, and it activates the ASD. Two levels is tactful and disarming, but it's also a good way of stating your intentions… | /r/seduction | 17/11/12 05:24 PM |
| -1 | The misconception that red pill is just misogyny.My problem is that this sub simplifies things too much. Sometimes we're just not the best communicators. We link to Rollo's blog, for instance, because he communicates things better that we can. For instance, women aren't gold diggers, they are hypergamous. But since "hypergamy" isn't a word that most people know, we try to explain it more simply. But then when we try to explain these concepts more simply, we get the accusation "this sub simplifies things too much." Lot's of women have a great d… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/11/12 05:17 PM |
| 1 | The misconception that red pill is just misogyny.I'm sexist, chauvinist, but not misogynist. I'd like to reclaim the term sexism. There can be benign sexism that tributes to the fact that there are fundamental differences between men and women deep down. Women aren't merely men with vaginas, the sexual differences go all the way down and up in a person, both physiologically and psychologically. As a speculative guess, a sort of abduction, the average in difference in height between men and women all across the world is about 8%. So I would pre… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/11/12 05:08 PM |
| 2 | Case Study - Inspire HerPost your own links. We haven't been deleting posts. Right now it's mainly just me and /u/pk_atheist who are posting, and we both like Rollo's blog. | /r/TheRedPill | 17/11/12 04:43 PM |
| -1 | Fuckable at 50I find it fairly easy to have really great, stimulating conversations on a variety of intellectual topics with most of the women I let into my life. You're a lucky man. But if you look outside of your particular oasis, you'll realize quickly why women are the ones who follow celebrities, watch E!, read tabloids, and why STEM fields are dominated by men. Your girlfriend sounds awesome, you're a lucky guy. Maybe I just got lucky, but keeping a positive attitude and optimism is what made this happe… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/11/12 04:29 PM |
| 3 | Case Study - Inspire HerA lot of men think that a shit test always comes in the form of bitchiness or sarcasm, but women test more often with lures of access to their sexuality as a measure of men’s Alpha fitness. Bingo. There are tests of sexual deprivation. Another example of this is with hugging/touching. Kino and hugging can be alpha, especially when you are initiating it, but watch how you break contact. If you break contact first, if you end the hug before she does, you'll feel more alpha to her than if you are b… | /r/TheRedPill | 14/11/12 06:45 PM |
| -1 | What sort of tricks do you guys use to get women to be more comfortable with initiating physical contact with you?This response doesn't even make sense. I didn't understand your reply earlier. I'm not trying to save women by turning "nice guy" into a pejorative. Funny I must have missed that section on seddit. Okay...you're very lost in this discussion. I don't know why you think I'm talking about Seddit in particular, or how it's relevant to "chicks dig jerks". Yes, I know Seddit wants to water down pick-up to being more socially acceptable. In fact, Seddit is creating this entire ideology to justify pick-… | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 06:26 PM |
| 9 | How to Form a Sexual Framesexual frame is just about everything being about sex. dirty. dirty. think dirty. misinterpret everything. innuendo here. subtext there. everything you say drips in sexual subtext. everything she says you misinterpret or process as her saying she wants to fuck you. Careful with this. Unless you're in the top-10% of guys in looks, this could cause her to eject. What you say is right, but make sure to use two levels of indirection. If you're just hinting at sex all the time, you're going to activa… | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 04:49 PM |
| 10 | How to Form a Sexual FrameHere's two more for you: c. Sexual Innuendos You need to be kind of clever here. When you first meet a woman, you don't really want to be overt, so use sexual innuendos that you can get away with. On one of my recent dates I was going to end up being at her house earlier than we agreed, so I texted her "I hear that women hate it when you come early..." d. Leading By this, I mean kino, I mean kiss her. Just go for it. One of the mods here says it best, that she'll forgive you for being too aggres… | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 04:45 PM |
| -1 | What sort of tricks do you guys use to get women to be more comfortable with initiating physical contact with you?You say that, but you mad. Sigh. The only thing I'm mad about is all the self-deception and delusion going on here. Trust me, I could walk away and not give a shit. I usually do. This time I decided to "get into it", and see if I could spark any insight. What I am saying is that you, who are hopelessly angry at the world, women, and what you perceive to be a social system that's out to get you, are picking fights with other people who you perceive to be the exact same way. See, what I don't do, … | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 04:29 PM |
| -1 | What sort of tricks do you guys use to get women to be more comfortable with initiating physical contact with you?When a guy hangs around a woman hoping that she'll like him and/or throw herself at him without letting her know what he wants, that is deceitful. Really? Shit, this also describes 99% of women out there! That creepiness comes from a lack of clear intentions. Bullshit. Here, turn the roles around. If a woman was doing this stuff to you, would you think it creepy? Actually, it depends. If you're attracted to her, you'd welcome it. But if you weren't at all interested, it would be creepy. So these… | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 04:16 PM |
| -1 | What sort of tricks do you guys use to get women to be more comfortable with initiating physical contact with you?That's just how we refer to those kinds of guys for lack of a better term. No, there are a thousand better terms out there. No, this term has an agenda. Why the hell would the best term for "creepy, manipulative guy who strings women along, pretending to be friends, only to make a sexual advance when you have already gotten close to her" be Nice Guy? "Sexually-anxious guy" would be a hundred times better. Even better would be "beta". | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 04:10 PM |
| 3 | What sort of tricks do you guys use to get women to be more comfortable with initiating physical contact with you?Women don't need you to "save" them, they are fully autonomous beings capable of making their own decisions. No they don't, which is why you white knights need to stop with the "nice guys are manipulative" crap! Go out there and try picking up women by being a complete asshole, you won't have very much success. You haven't been paying attention to 80% of seduction techniques have you? Or here, check it out: http://www.mentalhealthy.co.uk/addiction/sex-addiction/dangerous-pleasure-why-we-can-be-a… | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 04:05 PM |
| -8 | What sort of tricks do you guys use to get women to be more comfortable with initiating physical contact with you?Nice chip on your shoulder there, bud. Nice assumption you're making. Just like the "nice guy" business. Truth is, I don't have any "chips". You are seeing but you don't observe. Stop looking at the white-knight circle-jerk on Reddit for insight into what women are about. These are all nice guys who are taking a dump on themselves for being nice and respectful to women just because they aren't getting laid. Look instead at the media that women are truly eating up. Check out 50 Shades of Grey or … | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 03:31 PM |
| -8 | What sort of tricks do you guys use to get women to be more comfortable with initiating physical contact with you?No, calling those guys "nice guys" is the true white-knighting that is going on here. You guys are all white knights. No, it's true, women do like guys who are assholes to them, but not because they are assholes to them. Understand the difference? Care about the difference? | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 03:22 PM |
| 2 | What sort of tricks do you guys use to get women to be more comfortable with initiating physical contact with you?No...I get tired of the reddit hivemind on this. For some reason AFC's on Reddit want to think that the nice guy is somehow pathological because he isn't getting laid. He isn't pathological, he isn't deceitful, he isn't manipulative. You're just trying to save women from the fact that women truly dig jerks. No...jerks aren't just guys with confidence, they're jerks. They have the quality of danger in them that women really go for. | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 03:19 PM |
| 2 | What sort of tricks do you guys use to get women to be more comfortable with initiating physical contact with you?Nice guy ≠ Manipulative Can we please stop this misassociation? | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 02:11 PM |
| 31 | What sort of tricks do you guys use to get women to be more comfortable with initiating physical contact with you?You might be taking this too serious. "Tricks" can actually be fun and light-hearted, and it might just be one guy's style as a PUA. Trick a girl into giving you her number, and then call her out on it, "I totally just made you do that." It's funny. Laugh. | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 02:09 PM |
| 1 | What are the easiest tricks of PUA that give the best returns?Yep. Which is why it's good that it's here. But people who are sticking around here, waiting for advanced level HypoToad are just going to be disappointed. | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 02:06 PM |
| 4 | Cultivate Your Inner Dark Triad « Chateau HeartisteHeartiste, what is good in life? To crush beautiful pussy, see them love you for your power, and to hear the lamentation of their LJBFed beta suckups. Sadly, everything else is a consolation. | /r/TheRedPill | 13/11/12 06:35 PM |
| 1 | No, nice guys finish last because women *desire* evil menDon't convince me, convince women. | /r/TheRedPill | 13/11/12 05:05 PM |
| 12 | What are the easiest tricks of PUA that give the best returns?Sad thing is that seduction isn't something that actually requires a subreddit. When people complain that nothing on seddit is new, that's sort of the point. The concepts themselves are few and simple. | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 04:10 PM |
| 1 | Measure of the manDidn't claim it's original, but I think it's something that people, like sedditors, need to hear. | /r/TheRedPill | 13/11/12 08:11 AM |
| 1 | Guy finds out that women aren't being flooded with dick pics afterall [x-post /r/bestof]Yeah, I agree that online dating sucks for men, and it is degrading. | /r/TheRedPill | 13/11/12 07:58 AM |
| 1 | A lot of guys in pick up need therapy, and not pick up.Bingo. No one goes to the new restaurant that no one goes to, that is always empty, whose parking lot is always vacant. This doesn't mean there must be something wrong with their food. | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 07:43 AM |
| 2 | Text Game Tips with an ExampleExactly. Guys there is no text game. Trying to get all alpha and clever in text is just hurting your chances. | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 07:31 AM |
| 4 | Text Game Tips with an ExampleCheck out my guide on avoiding Beta Texting: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/1282jq/how_not_to_beta_text/ I didn't get many votes, but I think it's solid. | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 05:14 PM |
| 20 | Text Game Tips with an ExampleI don't know. I think my main problem is all of this "so...whatcha wanna do...?" business. You're treating her as equals, this is essentially the friend frame. If you're interested in her, you need to be leading, you need to be confident. Stop trying to get her to make all the decisions. Also...why would she be interested in you? This is over text. If you don't know, then she doesn't know. What is your value? Re: The friend shit test. Honestly, I like it. I think it probably was a shit test, it … | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 05:05 PM |
| 1 | Must Read: The Manipulated ManJust downloaded it. Thanks for the reference. | /r/TheRedPill | 12/11/12 04:52 PM |
| 2 | All In : "the feminine imperative has established ... tying a man’s status to his degree of commitment to his wife."Have a look at the context and reporters uncovering this story. There is no male perspective, there is no male insight, only the reactions of a female perspective in accordance with the feminine specific understanding of the SMV and the social failsafes instituted by fem-centrism. When other guys don't understand the purpose of The Red Pill, this really bothers me. Anyone looking at the media with insight and comprehensions understands exactly when the feminine imperative takes over. It's mostly… | /r/TheRedPill | 12/11/12 04:51 PM |
| 2 | Measure of the manLike pk_atheist said, I didn't justify that women are solipsistic and narcissistic. There are many reasons for this, the primary reason is because women are the bearers of the womb. In evolutionary terms, women are primary, men are secondary, and genuine concern beyond themselves and the people they love is just a fundamental absurdity to them. I could give you a thousand signs of this, but once you have the eye for this, you'll see them on your own. | /r/TheRedPill | 12/11/12 04:17 PM |
| 3 | Measure of the manI think I'm looking at this more from the standpoint of guys who are married, or in LTR's, and this state doesn't promise happiness. There are lots of miserable couples out there. I know I was unhappy without women in my life, but women aren't the cure to unhappiness either. Or check out Rule 3 on Heartiste's blog: III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Desp… | /r/TheRedPill | 12/11/12 04:12 PM |
| 2 | Still swallowing all of this [first awakening]Hypergamy | /r/TheRedPill | 12/11/12 04:35 AM |
| 1 | HonestIt's not mutually exclusive. I think you're debating strawmen, not me. The more attractive a woman is, the easier it is to fall in love with her. All things being equal, you'd prefer the more substantial woman to the less substantial, sure. In terms of long term relationship potential, you're absolutely right. I'll sacrifice quite a bit of looks if she's just awesome, practical, down to earth, with a good head on her shoulders. When you're both in your 60's you're not going to care what she look… | /r/TheRedPill | 12/11/12 04:28 AM |
| 1 | A lot of guys in pick up need therapy, and not pick up.It sort of reduces to "guys who should be in therapy should be in therapy". Ultimately, that's what you're saying. | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 01:05 AM |
| 2 | Body Language works wondersIts very simple, be a in a relaxed position and do not lean towards your target or whoever you are talking to to. Lean away from them. This makes them look as if they are working for your attention, and it makes you feel like htey are working for attention as they are leaning in. Yes, yes, yes. Also notice the dynamics throughout your interaction. You can start off "on par", and then slowly move your body language away from her, and she'll begin moving her body language toward you. Go back and f… | /r/seduction | 10/11/12 06:04 PM |
| 1 | Co Worker Approach?True. I never shit at work. | /r/seduction | 10/11/12 05:44 PM |
| 1 | Guy finds out that women aren't being flooded with dick pics afterall [x-post /r/bestof]I like these kinds of experiments, mainly because it does show how entitled women have become conditioned to be. When women say that they are getting nothing but dick pics, boring messages, and crude messages on dating sites don't believe them. I was on /r/okcupid for a while, and learned quickly not to follow the advice from the men or the women there, the men there are mostly deluded by the women there. Essential reading: http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/female-dating-advice/ http:… | /r/TheRedPill | 10/11/12 05:19 PM |
| 2 | HonestIf I can't talk to a woman, I can't have a relationship with her. Sure I could get it up for sex, but that's not fulfilling. I crave companionship, not just a sex dummy. Frankly, I don't think you're being honest to yourself here. What you're saying sounds like the things that we wish were true, these are the things that I believed about myself. I think most guys believe they are "enlightened" like this, that we're not "superficial". But truth is, you would fall in love rather easily to a hot wo… | /r/TheRedPill | 10/11/12 03:49 AM |
| 3 | Almost a hundred subscribers! Welcome newcomers.What does creep shaming have to do with feminism though? | /r/TheRedPill | 09/11/12 06:10 PM |
| -1 | Almost a hundred subscribers! Welcome newcomers.Yeah. But especially look at creep shaming in terms of preselection, as it's essentially negative preselection. The worst words you want to hear from an HB: "Don't touch me." The thing is, women seem to understand preselection better than men do. Women I know who show interest, only do so discretely, they don't want you gaining advantage from their show of interest. Guys who pull out the enthusiastic consent fear before having sex will rightly be labeled beta and kept in orbiter status for later… | /r/TheRedPill | 09/11/12 05:55 PM |
| -5 | Almost a hundred subscribers! Welcome newcomers.Yeah. I'm not defending feminism, it just seems superficial compared to the feminine imperative. In some ways feminism is the overt social structure of the feminine imperative after the wake of widely available birth control (birth control is basically the essence of feminism, IMO). But in other ways, I think of feminism is being primarily against women, against normal, traditional, feminine women. You could call it the resentment of women who can't or refuse to have children, against those who … | /r/TheRedPill | 09/11/12 05:18 PM |
| 2 | Almost a hundred subscribers! Welcome newcomers.One thing we should be careful of, in my opinion, is distinguishing between feminism and the feminine imperative. Feminism is a relatively new social and political movement; the feminine imperative is as old as time. The idea that sex should only exist in a committed relationship doesn't come from feminism, it comes from the feminine imperative. The glorification of single mothers as heroes, and not as women merely struggling to fulfill their responsibilities doesn't come from feminism, it comes… | /r/TheRedPill | 09/11/12 04:23 PM |
| -1 | Almost a hundred subscribers! Welcome newcomers.The red pill is primarily about the feminine imperative. But I think gay relationships, both short-term and long-term, really gives you a sense of how different women are. Gays have to deal with bullshit, just like anyone else, but I doubt you see things like hypergamy...are gay guys really marrying up? My opinion: Gay guys aren't actually fundamentally all that different than straight guys, and gay guys literally are looking for personal compatibility, affection, the cure to loneliness, and gre… | /r/TheRedPill | 09/11/12 04:11 PM |
| 1 | No, nice guys finish last because women *desire* evil menTrue. The strict sense of being a loser is, of course, losing some sort of competition. I was trying to distinguish between losing in the real world and losing in some simulated reality...namely, gaming. | /r/TheRedPill | 09/11/12 04:06 PM |
| 2 | Usually I don't let this stuff bother me but this time it did.I disagree. You guys really spend too much time thinking about texting/FB. Cut it out. It's just a distraction, and you guys are spinning your wheels thinking about shit that most likely made zero difference. | /r/seduction | 08/11/12 02:59 PM |
| 1 | Usually I don't let this stuff bother me but this time it did.You're probably pretty young. Anyway, hope this is lesson learned. You did okay, but you didn't make a memorable impression. Also, #-closes are easy, you really shouldn't even think of them as "closes". Now what the fuck, I was funny, i know she thought I was cute, and she seemed genuinely interested. Careful with this. If you're young and relatively inexperienced, you might be really reading the signs wrong. Generally, if she's genuinely interested, she'll go out of her way for you: She would h… | /r/seduction | 08/11/12 02:56 PM |
| 3 | Somewhat of a revelation tonight..New York Times's | /r/seduction | 08/11/12 01:42 PM |
| 1 | No, nice guys finish last because women *desire* evil menWell "I torture pit bulls" isn't something I'm likely to say. But I have a hard time saying absolutely that it wouldn't work. Really, the only thing that will absolutely repel women is neediness, anything related to being a loser (in the strict sense), and anything related with children. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/11/12 01:35 PM |
| 1 | No, nice guys finish last because women *desire* evil menYeah...I'm not even sure if it's true or not. But it's something that keeps coming up in our conversations. She keeps saying that "that is one of the things that worries me", about me opening up and everything. Seriously guys, use this. Find some hard-edged, dangerous aspect of your personality and exaggerate it a little. This draws women in, makes them feel needed. Women don't want "the perfect guy", they want a guy with flaws. Just make sure you attract her feminine instinct, not her maternal … | /r/TheRedPill | 08/11/12 06:20 AM |
| 4 | No, nice guys finish last because women *desire* evil menTurns out there's a difference between being a "nice guy" and a nice guy with crippling insecurity and no confidence. You're just trying to separate out "the good nice guys" from "the bad nice guys" based on the feminine imperative. In practice, women spurn both groups the same. God forbid people should look for SOs that can treat them well, and be able to protect them. God forbid women look for men that treat them well. I'd love to find more of this. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/11/12 05:42 AM |
| 7 | How to handle competition?You know, someone posted this video/documentary a while ago where they created this club/bar environment only with cameras all over the place. One thing one of the women did: She and this other girl were chatting with the guy. They were getting kind of competitive, so she left. But before she left she put her hand on his butt (not in a groping way, but the way you would put your hand on a friend's should, but on his butt) and then walked to the other side of the room. The rest of the night the g… | /r/seduction | 07/11/12 05:36 PM |
| 1 | How to handle competition?Can it become a constructive / positive thing for my pursuits? Yes. Think of this in terms of Nietzsche's concept of being grateful to your enemies. You see an AMOG and you feel totally intimidated and blown out. Guess what, you can bitch out at him, you could become all bitter, or you can learn to respect guys like that. Honestly, when I go out, I love trying to figure out who the alphas are and just watch their mannerisms. This is just another way of learning game. | /r/seduction | 07/11/12 05:33 PM |
| 7 | I am Mark Manson: Former PUA Coach, Self Development blogger, Entrepreneur, AMAWhich is ironic because you're alpha by his definition, which is purely in terms of quantity (knotch counts) and quality (HB-scale) of women you've banged. Thanks for answering all of this. | /r/seduction | 07/11/12 05:14 PM |
| 3 | I am Mark Manson: Former PUA Coach, Self Development blogger, Entrepreneur, AMABut their dickhead behavior is an effect of what makes them attractive, not the cause of it. Awesome. I kind of thought that a lot of this ideology is about reversing cause and effect. I read blogs like Heartiste's blog, and whenever a certain conversation or response is considered alpha, it's usually only alpha because the woman is already highly invested in him. Basically, hot woman throws herself at him, he shrugs her off, ALPHA! | /r/seduction | 07/11/12 02:16 PM |
| 1 | How much can I make her feel insecure?Make a girl secure in her insecurities, and insecure in her securities. | /r/seduction | 07/11/12 05:40 AM |
| 6 | I am Mark Manson: Former PUA Coach, Self Development blogger, Entrepreneur, AMABut what do you think about the core idea that a minority of men (for some reason I think in terms of 20%) have sex with a majority (again, 80%) of women? It's the same guys who are attractive to most women, and it isn't wholly about looks? When I think of "the alpha hypothesis", this is what I think of. I have your book Models on Kindle, by the way, and love it, and you even say that high status/class is one of the biggest attractors for women. In other words, women are hypergamous, and "alpha"… | /r/seduction | 07/11/12 05:23 AM |
| 1 | Signals that are more mixed than the quality of the average rapper's debut album.Yep. The medium is the message here...look how long it is. Oneitis has set in. Hopefully surgery isn't necessary. OP, move on, she's not into you. She actually like you as a friend, but would be creeped out if you made a move on her. What you perceive as hope she perceives as hope not. You never go from friends to lovers. | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 05:30 PM |
| 1 | Dealing with women in general (what if I don't necessarily want a girlfriend)?sometimes, i feel like i might look like i'm trying to make a move on a girl when i'm really not. Probably because your intentions are transparent to other people even if you're deluding yourself. Look, you don't want "female friends". You want female intimacy. There's nothing wrong with that. You have a whole mindset issue that you're going to have to change, because you're convincing yourself of your platonic intentions, but your body is hungry for female flesh. | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 05:21 PM |
| 2 | Negs only work if you're funny.IMO, shit advice. Negging isn't a comedy routine, it's a form of breaking rapport. If you get the reply, "Thanks...I think" you're doing it right. I like to do it with double meanings. If she says she loves to bake, tell her "You look like a baker." If she asks what do you mean, just say "You look like someone who is passionate about baking." Honestly, I think negging is mostly about being able to/willing to break rapport. If you can do the latter, you don't need to neg. | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 05:14 PM |
| 6 | No, nice guys finish last because women *desire* evil menYep. I'm so glad for the red pill. I'm just starting to see a girl, and this is the first time that I've basically been doing everything right. Last night she told me "You seem to have a lot sexual experience." I don't really, LOL, but the point is to make her think I do. That isn't something the pre-red pill me would have done. In fact, I would have thought through the feminine imperative that coming off as a man whore would hurt my attraction to women. It's a curious revelation to realize that… | /r/TheRedPill | 06/11/12 05:04 PM |
| 1 | Having trouble getting to/through A3 (Mystery Method).Yeah...I kind of doubt that your problem is attraction. Unless you're in the top 10% in looks, you're never going to get the kind attention from women that you might be thinking of. That said, from your BMI you might stand to lose a little weight. Your issue is probably just game. And you get better game through game. You're a little young for a lot of women, so keep working on your game. As you get older that game will come in useful. More experience will just make you more confident with women… | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 04:39 PM |
| 1 | Having trouble getting to/through A3 (Mystery Method).Are you sure you're having trouble with attraction? It seems to me that you're doing it right: Going slow in day game, demonstrating value, building value. First, yeah, flakes are going to happen no matter what. But I would try qualifying her more, don't be afraid to polarize. Talk about the kind of partners you each go for (in the comfort stage). If you qualify/polarize right, you can also use it as a compliance test because she'll start to mold herself into the kind of personality that you're … | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 04:27 PM |
| 1 | seems to happen to me A LOT. girls taking a really long time to respond. what is seddit's advice on handling this kind of texting issue?Look, this has nothing to do with the girl, your post screams "inner game issues". You need to discipline yourself to not being needy. You need to get into a state where you're not checking your phone all the time, you're not thinking about her all the time. Don't try to "be alpha" through text. The only thing that comes close in my book is not responding, and saying ambiguous things like "hmm" "um" or "ah". Also see my overlooked guide to avoid beta texting: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/co… | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 04:03 PM |
| 3 | Need help filtering out the smart women.Agree. If you want a woman with a substantial "inner world", who is either intellectual or artsy, you're going to have a better bet with women who are introverted. These are not women who are going to enjoy "going out" that much. They will go out, and probably more intentionally for finding a guy (rather than just going out for it's own sake), but will often prefer online dating. Also, IMHO, spelling and grammar especially in texts is the best screen for intelligence. If she texts "heyyyy hoes g… | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 03:53 PM |
| 3 | ITT: Men taking dating advice from women - why it's not a good thingNo. I think women merely expect a certain level of cockiness from guys. If you're being appropriately cocky, she doesn't see it as cocky. Again, this is 90% about calibration. Women go through these sort of micro-moods that change as you're talking to them. If you can intuit what mood she's in, and respond appropriately, you won't have the trouble that most of these women are having. | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 03:44 PM |
| 27 | ITT: Men taking dating advice from women - why it's not a good thingI was reading quite a few of the comments that women are submitting there, and honestly, I don't think anything that is wrong per se. I guess I just hope that the guys on seddit don't think the following are effective tactics (if not, lemme see field reports!): Discussing the topic of rape. Yeah...in fact, stay away from all controversial, religious, and political topics. Sending pictures of your dick. Plenty of women out there don't even like looking at dick, they just like how it feels. Also, … | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 03:40 PM |
| 1 | No, nice guys finish last because women *desire* evil menMakes me resent a lot though How so? | /r/TheRedPill | 05/11/12 03:17 AM |
| 2 | No, nice guys finish last because women *desire* evil menThere's an easy way to have that fantasy of "the nice girl". Find a girl who is several points lower than you in SMV. I'm actually starting to do that (red pill beta here). Because, at the end of my life, I'm not going to give a shit about women. | /r/TheRedPill | 04/11/12 04:09 AM |
| 6 | No, nice guys finish last because women *desire* evil menWelcome aboard! Spread the word! 53 readers already, whoo! There is an obvious thirst for knowledge on reddit. | /r/TheRedPill | 03/11/12 05:34 PM |
| 1 | Women do not actually know why they find you attractiveEven if your friend is rewarded for his negative behavior that doesn't change the position he is in his life. Is it truly of high quality? Nope. But at least he is living with a woman he loves, and who loves him back, and they are starting a family. I know they have issues...she wants a house and to go to college, and right now she makes more than he does. There's a lot of stress there. But all things considered, he's better off than I am. Seriously though, im looking for a woman who doesn't jus… | /r/seduction | 03/11/12 02:39 PM |
| 1 | Women do not actually know why they find you attractiveHowever, I think you are ignoring the women who don't. That's sort of like a god of the gaps fallacy. I'm a guy who is absolutely not like him, and you probably aren't either, so where are these women who are ignoring him and instinctively want to take their clothes off for me? To be fair, I'm not interested in the little girls who fall for that kind of guy. This is like a woman saying, "To be fair, I'm not interested in immature men who are attracted to round, pert asses, youthful faces, full l… | /r/seduction | 03/11/12 01:22 PM |
| 1 | Women do not actually know why they find you attractiveAll you did was try to degrade him as a "thug". I don't know what purpose that served, other than to console yourself or maybe me. Don't worry about me. | /r/seduction | 03/11/12 02:55 AM |
| -1 | Women do not actually know why they find you attractiveKeep consoling yourself. Ultimately, you have to figure out if women are your ultimate priority, and whether you'll be envious of the guys who just get laid by hot women easily. If you can find other happiness, genuine happiness and not just some activity that you call happy with all due bitterness, then you can actually compete with the natural alphas, not with women, but with life. | /r/seduction | 03/11/12 02:31 AM |
| 2 | Women do not actually know why they find you attractiveThis must be primal alpha, because it sure as hell isn't logic Yep. Dark triad stuff. Check out /r/theredpill if you're interested in this sort of stuff. | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 09:49 PM |
| 2 | Women do not actually know why they find you attractiveNah. I wish I could say that I dodged a bullet, I tried to find something about her. But in all honesty, he's a lucky guy. I just killed my oneitis bad after she lost interest in me. I'm also glad I found the advice here about not becoming an emotional tampon. Now she treats me with respect, and that's the best I'll get. I'll give him a 50% of losing her someday though. But he's really good at gaming her, it's pretty much all instinct for him. And she's intimidated by the girls he's been with, a… | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 09:05 PM |
| 3 | "Ultimatums are declarations of powerlessness" | A case study on a beta struggling to open his eyes. - I wish we could have this breakdown on every /r/relationships thread.Yep. Pretty quotable and true: "Only women 'lose' their virginity." Men need to understand this. You don't have hymens...wtf. But the bigger issue that Rollo calls Adams out on is how he is talking like a woman: Losing his virginity, desiring a relationship, thinking that she's "afraid of commitment." You see how strong the female imperative is when they have men talking and thinking like women. As a man, you don't actually want any of this stuff. Commitment should be what your girlfriend is beg… | /r/TheRedPill | 02/11/12 08:51 PM |
| 5 | Women do not actually know why they find you attractiveIMHO, female attraction selects for testosterone. Basically, all of the effects of testosterone are the primary attraction triggers, and demeanor is definitely an effect of testosterone. I know a guy who does really well with women, not a guy who I'd get along with, but has the demeanor naturally: I suspect that his body just produces naturally high levels of testosterone. He's actually pretty skinny (effect of testosterone but without working out), has anger issues (punches holes in the wall wh… | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 05:08 PM |
| 1 | Women do not actually know why they find you attractiveSo...what is this magic opiate that he is talking about? What exactly does it do to you? | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 05:01 PM |
| 1 | What sorts of traits do you desire in a woman, and how do you qualify and screen for them?I suggest the book "Please Understand Me II". This book has actually helped me out mainly in qualifying women, but I'm sure there're other uses too. I've found that I want to be with women who communicate abstractly, who have a tolerance, or even enjoy, ideas for their own sake. And that is it. The problem is that this is a rare quality, and I'll even sacrifice in terms of looks for this quality. I simply vibe better with women like this, and want a companion. That's why I'm in seduction for. Th… | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 04:48 PM |
| 3 | Quick Tip: Forget Attraction and focus on ArousalDunno, I think that arousing a woman's emotions is better than making her horny. I think this is why a lot of guys make out with a girl at the bar, but she doesn't text him back the next day. | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 04:25 PM |
| 2 | OkTrends - this should be basic material for people who doubt basic red pill conceptsI'm talking about the OkTrends blog which gives empirical data from the site. I deactivated my OkCupid profile quite some time ago. In general, I agree, and I think some of the red pill bloggers concur, that online dating pretty much gives women the advantage, to the extent that women tolerate dating sites at all. If guys are going to use it, consider it only as a supplement to going out into the field. Why online dating gives women the advantage: Men are more visual than women. The men there ar… | /r/TheRedPill | 01/11/12 04:37 PM |
| 3 | OkTrends - this should be basic material for people who doubt basic red pill conceptsThis is basically a dating site, and the owners of the site go through and crunch the numbers on who is messaging who, etc. Basic red pill wisdom: Looks matter How much money you make matters for men Race matters Height matters Basically, all of the insecurities that men have are basically true. You have to get over them without deluding yourself about them. Another issue I have with seddit I guess: Inner game should definitely help a guy get over his insecurities, at the same time you shouldn't… | /r/TheRedPill | 01/11/12 04:14 PM |
| 4 | The Fem-Centric Pickup CommunityAgreed about manipulation. The problem is that "manipulation" is a judgmental term, or a "persuasive term" in logic. Look, the red pill wisdom regarding this goes all the way back to Plato. (Seriously, "red pill wisdom" is as old as time, it's only recently that some of these truths have been covered over by political correctness.) In truth, manipulation is the very thread of society, it's what makes any of our interactions work. I can't go a day without being able to label at least 10 ways that… | /r/TheRedPill | 01/11/12 04:00 PM |
| 3 | The Fem-Centric Pickup CommunityYep. Another thing that came to mind browsing seddit this morning: The Giving Value Business The problem is, you don't really know what this means. It sounds like general life-improvement fluff, and it mostly is. It's a glittering generality par excellence. The whole point of DHV, and the pick-up concept of value, is obvious in the context of female hypergamy. You need to show that you're a high value dude, and even if you're not, you at least need to create that frame. But giving value? Could m… | /r/TheRedPill | 01/11/12 03:45 PM |
| 8 | Tested. 100% Success Rate. Quite possibly the best "Flake Preventer" text ever.You do realize that sometimes people actually have legitimate reasons to bail, right? Yep. And those aren't called flakes. | /r/seduction | 01/11/12 03:22 PM |
| 25 | Tested. 100% Success Rate. Quite possibly the best "Flake Preventer" text ever.Important that you don't use "not going to flake are you?" You aren't referencing a single act, you are qualifying the type of person they are. You really need to bold this part. I can think of myself accidentally doing that. | /r/seduction | 01/11/12 03:20 PM |
| 1 | The Necessity Of Relationship Game « Chateau HeartisteMy main criticism is that that Chateau seems to confound attractiveness with game. Maybe, in the study, when they say "attractiveness" they mean really attractiveness...physical attractiveness. Some effeminate-looking man with all the alpha game in the world would probably be in the same place as the other unattractive guys. Sometimes I'm what Chateau calls an anti-gamer...I don't really think game helps as much as people claim. For attractive/masculine looking guys, game is about not screwing u… | /r/TheRedPill | 01/11/12 02:44 AM |
| 2 | Looks CountSo you're at 180 lbs? BMI = 25.1, which is within the normal range of 18.5 to 25. My BMI is 27.0 which puts me in the overweight category. I know it sounds like these numbers are arbitrary, and there are exceptions whom it doesn't apply to, but in my personal experience I think it corresponds very strongly to attractiveness. Congrats. I'm not sure about keto...I try to diet simply in terms of eating less and exercising more. Haven't had much luck lately though. I've been hovering around 202/203 … | /r/TheRedPill | 01/11/12 02:24 AM |
| 3 | Looks CountI had to post this one, because I get tired of how the doctrine on seddit is basically the opposite. I can myself testify to the following: The first thing most men who were previously out of shape will tell you is the marked increase in attention they receive from women after they got in shape. This is perhaps the simplest experiment that puts the lie to this assertion. I went from 290 to 205 lbs here (6'1"). I'm still about 20 lbs overweight, just remember 2 lbs/week. I feel like I'll be much … | /r/TheRedPill | 31/10/12 04:38 AM |
| 2 | A good list of fundamental red pill wisdom on Rational MaleAwesome. Glad you're here. Check out Rosso's article on The Desire Dynamic: http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/08/25/the-desire-dynamic/ . Make sure you aren't trying to negotiate desire instead of creating it. | /r/TheRedPill | 31/10/12 03:52 AM |
| 1 | 2 Reasons Why You Shouldn't Live In The Suburbs - YouTubeYeah, I agree with this. I'd just qualify that it's more about the HB:Bachelor ratio. The thing about suburbs is that it's mainly where families live. They moved to the suburbs expressly to get away from the bored single people looking for something to do and people to meet. | /r/TheRedPill | 31/10/12 02:26 AM |
| 2 | Women Who Own iPhones Lose The Ability To Love - Underneath the topic, you MUST keep gaming your SO, while in a relationship, or lose her.If that's what someone thinks life is all about... combined with the attitude in the article, kinda meets the definition of a loser. You're deluded. There's no one, no intellectual, no man of power, no entrepenuer, no artist of high achievement, who would trade it all to spend many nights with beautiful women who want them, if they don't already have this. And I hate saying this. I hate that it's true. That the greatest experiences that a human being can have is a consequence of the genetic lott… | /r/seduction | 31/10/12 02:17 AM |
| 3 | How do you open and keep conversation going with a girl while still seeming high-value?Sometimes I just try to stay friendly and agreeable because that's the only way I can keep conversations going. DLV. Any suggestions? Is there a mindset I'm missing here? Yep. DHV is largely contextual. Now, unless you really do have awesome things going for you right now, your best DHV is what Mark Manson calls vulnerability. You just can't be afraid to expose yourself. Stop being agreeable all the time. Don't be afraid to break rapport. She says, "I'm a big fan of the New York Clubs." If you d… | /r/seduction | 30/10/12 03:25 PM |
| 1 | Women Who Own iPhones Lose The Ability To Love - Underneath the topic, you MUST keep gaming your SO, while in a relationship, or lose her.His point was the quantity of it. Smart phones just make it more efficient now, and she can pick and choose among the best offers. | /r/seduction | 30/10/12 03:15 PM |
| 4 | Women Who Own iPhones Lose The Ability To Love - Underneath the topic, you MUST keep gaming your SO, while in a relationship, or lose her.He travels around the world banging hot girls. Wait...what does a loser mean in your dictionary? | /r/seduction | 30/10/12 03:14 PM |
| 1 | Is marriage beneficial to men?Dunno. I see it like this: Child support is the tax on being alpha :) I don't have to worry about this though...I'm not a wealthy man. If you're in a high income bracket then maybe you should be concerned. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/10/12 05:49 PM |
| 2 | How not to beta textThe 2/3 ratio is from Heartiste's blog. Check out http://heartiste.wordpress.com . Also we have a subreddit about similar blogs at /r/TheRedPill . Check us out if you're interested. | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 05:47 PM |
| 1 | A good list of fundamental red pill wisdom on Rational MaleNo, I agree with you. I visit Heartiste's blog a lot, but I was very much turned off when he started promoting pseudo-science, namely, somatypes. And I generally look down on anyone who rants about politics. And he's just not as articulate or intellectual as Rollo. Heartiste has a tendency to call everything he likes alpha, and everything he doesn't like beta, and there are just too much asinine racism on the blog. I don't mind if it could be articulated better, but the racists rants in the comm… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/10/12 05:46 PM |
| 2 | I got the girl, how do I keep her?Yeah...sadly that's how most people think. As if we can't elevate a man's spirit without believing in mystical forces. | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 05:40 PM |
| 0 | To ask or not to ask? verbally asking consent for ALL forms of physical contact, good idea or no?Wasn't talking about you...you're fine :) | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 05:39 PM |
| 2 | I am handsome, but 5'6". I've been told plenty of times this kills me.Hah. Actually 6'5" is generally ideal. Any taller is too tall. I'm 6'1" and didn't lose my virginity until I was 29. Prematurely bald though. Frankly, the bald thing hasn't bothered me in a long time. But that's the thing...if you're not having luck with women, you're going to find something about yourself to take a dump on yourself about. 5'6" isn't even that bad. I feel bad for the 5'2" guys out there. I think the premise is true...taller guys have it easier. But there really is no silver bull… | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 01:34 PM |
| 2 | I am handsome, but 5'6". I've been told plenty of times this kills me.Me too, high-five! | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 01:29 PM |
| 1 | How not to beta textNever meta-text...text about texting. If she takes a lot of time, you guys might have broke out of live texting. She might have lost interest in you. You really need to IDGAF about this sort of thing. Go do something else for a while. | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 01:26 PM |
| 1 | I got the girl, how do I keep her?It's not the spirituality that bothers me. It's the metaphysical woo power that bothers me. | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 11:57 AM |
| 2 | To ask or not to ask? verbally asking consent for ALL forms of physical contact, good idea or no?I do however think that there's a difference between showing intent and asking for permission. Bingo. | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 11:55 AM |
| 4 | To ask or not to ask? verbally asking consent for ALL forms of physical contact, good idea or no?Honestly, he sounds like a keyboard jockey who is trying to put together PUA concepts together in his head, and doing it wrong. Little extreme to call him a rapist. Chances are good that he's the opposite extreme. | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 11:51 AM |
| 2 | To ask or not to ask? verbally asking consent for ALL forms of physical contact, good idea or no?You can do both. Usually, when you are seducing a girl, you'll know whether she wants to or not, if you're doing it right. A lot of us don't bother asking because we already know the answer. Edit: I'm talking about kissing. Holy shit, don't ask if you should touch her. There are many faces to hover hands, and it's beta as shit. Be frisky but never grope a woman. The difference is largely a matter of intuition...after you have a certain fondness between you. Kino helps a lot. Kino isn't about gro… | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 11:40 AM |
| 1 | Texting Game: Losing girls because of bad textsAlright: Her: What are you up to? Me: Doing my chores Her: :-) again were doing the same thing at the same time. Her: I'm pretty excited though, my moms helping me! I'm not stuck doing everything by myself! I think I should probably note this day on the calendar LOL Me: Excited by housework...you and I aren't going to work (note breaking rapport) Her: LOL No excited to get help Doing housework. Me: Oh okay. I just use sorcery Her: I like you Kevin. Her: Sorcery huh? You'll have to teach me this … | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 04:35 AM |
| 3 | Texting Game: Losing girls because of bad textshttp://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/1282jq/how_not_to_beta_text/ So far no votes at all. No one's seeing it. | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 04:09 AM |
| 2 | Texting Game: Losing girls because of bad textsThe alpha response is basically ignoring it. Women liking you should be expected. Break to another conversation thread. | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 04:09 AM |
| 8 | Texting Game: Losing girls because of bad textsDisclaimer: This doesn't exactly answer your question, because it sounds like you're interested in setting up a Day 1. Sounds like you need to give value so that she wants to go with you somewhere, have a strong frame so that she feels confident you know what you're doing and do this sort of thing a lot, and be leading so that she is just naturally following in your wake. The rest of this post might be useful to you and others so I'll leave it. I was just going to start a post about this, but ba… | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 04:03 PM |
| 2 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.He wasn't extremely good looking, but he had confidence and I felt like taking my clothes off as soon as I saw him. He probably had naturally high testosterone. Other women probably felt the same way about him. It expresses itself in demeanor and is really hard to fake if you don't have it. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 03:12 PM |
| 2 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.Nope. I don't take it that seriously. If all of this were contrary my other objectives in life, I'd understand your point. But having success with women is a good sign of having success in life, and vice-versa. If I'm awesome but women still aren't digging me, well so much the worse for them. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 06:03 AM |
| 5 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.Ugly guys do, but they can't do it the way attractive guys do it. I'm pretty ugly by reddit standards, still pretty beta/rAFC, but I've had a few hot women just show interest in me. I really couldn't real them in because of total lack of game. Demeanor/swagger is more important than looks IMHO. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 04:50 AM |
| 10 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.Ever had a hot girl get into you even though you're an average/ugly looking guy? I have. Female attraction triggers are just really weird. It's too simple to say that women operate the way men do. For example: Pre-selection. Women will become interested in you for no other reason than that other women are also interested in you. That's fucking weird from a male perspective, our attraction is absolute. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 04:26 AM |
| 6 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.The medium is the message. Looks matter, but not as much as you think. I think demeanor is far more important than looks. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 04:14 AM |
| 1 | 26 years old, never had a girlfriend, never been out, never approached, need some help/motivationHey, I'm in Toledo and a live alone. I don't have any real friends or family in the area, and I understand the loneliness. I've googled for suicide pills a couple of times. But I'm doing okay, and you'll be okay. I think the thing I reminded myself is that I'm a man, and part of being a man is just being able to take it. I realized that I can take a lot more loneliness and feelings of valuelessness than I realized. Why does it matter? Because I want to have a family someday. And my SO and kids a… | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 02:13 AM |
| 0 | Been at this 10 years, my #1 tip.men are socially conditioned to be dominant; women are socially conditioned to accommodate peoples' wants/needs. And women are socially conditioned to masturbate to 50 Shades of Grey. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 01:49 AM |
| 3 | Been at this 10 years, my #1 tip.Oh right..."manipulation". Enjoy that term. We call it game, and everyone has one. i also think it's extremely possible to find a mate without manipulating your way into a date. Yeah. Spend two years in the shoes of an average guy and tell me that. As a woman, men literally come up to you and ask you out. A lot of women are so used to saying "no" that it's become habit. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 01:48 AM |
| 0 | Been at this 10 years, my #1 tip.Wow. I think there's something else that's bothering you. What's up? | /r/seduction | 27/10/12 11:53 PM |
| 0 | Been at this 10 years, my #1 tip.You've lost perspective. Sure, you'll struggle with frame control a little afterwords (you'll need frame control no matter what as a PUA). But look at it as another approach. Now she's at least indebted to talk to you. You could have ignored the whole situation, but then you just sort of lost out. But in general I'm no white knight. Check out /r/TheRedPill for the bigger picture. | /r/seduction | 27/10/12 11:50 PM |
| 0 | Been at this 10 years, my #1 tip.I'm meant taking social responsibility for breaking the glass. Mopping the floor isn't actually what won her over. | /r/seduction | 27/10/12 11:43 PM |
| 1 | Been at this 10 years, my #1 tip.Hah...yeah. It's interesting the difference between the way men and women interpret things. But generally, in day game, you really need to put away your cocky asshole vibe. If you get the opportunity to take risks and spontaneously white knight in proximity to an HB, by all means do it. There are many roads to pussy. | /r/seduction | 27/10/12 11:37 PM |
| 3 | Been at this 10 years, my #1 tip.it disgusts me that it's socially acceptable for libido to outweigh the emotional validity of the pursued None of this is "socially acceptable". Not really. The whole point is that a lot more happens, both with men and women, than is "socially acceptable". There are so many sins on both sides that it's really all a push. Yeah, you use this routine with a woman who was dumped by her ex-boyfriend last year for cheating. You feign interest in a homeless man to the woman who just gave a fake phone n… | /r/seduction | 27/10/12 11:33 PM |
| 1 | Been at this 10 years, my #1 tip.Women are very multi-layered in their attraction. You could look at it in Freudian terms: Id, Ego, and Superego. I think glass example, in terms of impromptu demeanor, had a way of setting off all three layers at once: he's a good guy (superego), he saved me embarrassment (ego), and he has guts (id). Problem is that you can't really capture that into a routine. I think the real magic of seduction is to DHV in a way that is almost impossible to forge or duplicate. Sure, you could try playing the … | /r/seduction | 27/10/12 11:18 PM |
| 1 | 2 Reasons Why You Shouldn't Live In The Suburbs - YouTubeLove this. There's definitely an issue of locale when it comes to trying to live single. You really need to live in an area where there are people around, walking along sidewalks, visiting venues. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/10/12 10:10 PM |
| 8 | I'm social, funny, confident, friends with LOTS of people who all like me. Why do I not get invited to things?I think you are the textbook case of someone who doesn't give value. No one's going to invite you out to things for you, they'll only do it for them. They have to be thinking "I need to have that guy come." Now, unfortunately, most of the reasons why people are invited out to things are superficial: They are sexually attractive. They will bring a clique. They will improve the status of the event. Or you could just offer to bring liquor. | /r/seduction | 27/10/12 09:32 PM |
| 0 | It has been said many times before: Nice Is Overrated (Rest of the blog is a great read too)Still very timid. Women don't actually say what they mean, nor do they understand their instincts. They actually do want jerks, and they don't care if they are "just a jerk". "Just a jerk" will do nicely while "just nice" won't. | /r/seduction | 27/10/12 08:08 PM |
| 1 | [xMODx] Seddit Simple Questions Thread 10/26/2012Okay thanks for this. I think I started doing it just because she started it...just after our first date. I just need to remember to underinvest in her. | /r/seduction | 27/10/12 07:52 PM |
| 1 | Unemployment increases risk of divorce for menI don't see the source for this story, nor do I really see this relevant to this subreddit. Sounds like more of a mensrights article to me. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/10/12 04:00 AM |
| 1 | A good list of fundamental red pill wisdom on Rational MaleCheck out the links at the end of the article. Rational Male is basically and encyclopedia of Red Pill knowledge that men really need to know as early as possible. For instance, how to respond to a "Let's just be friends" rejection to Oneitis. He even tries to define the enigmatic Alpha quality which, it is supposed, women are inherently attracted to. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/10/12 03:58 AM |
| 1 | Is marriage beneficial to men?Nothing wrong with having kids. You're passing on your genes and values to another generation. The whole reason we're talking about any of this at all, why we like women with great asses, why women fall for jerks, it's all about passing those genes on. So if we're boiling this all down to what's best for your hedonistic self in your short 70-some year long life, then you're really missing the point. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/10/12 02:43 AM |
| 1 | [xMODx] Seddit Simple Questions Thread 10/26/2012Is it feminine to text xo to a woman you're seeing? Any sort of rules for not texting too feminine? | /r/seduction | 26/10/12 04:59 PM |
| 3 | Is marriage beneficial to men?But for who's benefit? Obviously the women would like that. Heh...honestly, I think the man benefits more. There are probably few more destructive powers than a jealous man. One theme on Rational Male et al is that while women say they don't like being jealous, it still turns them on the idea that other women desire you. This isn't true for men. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/12 04:57 PM |
| 3 | Is marriage beneficial to men?I wouldn't avoid children at all cost. Honestly, when it comes to children, this kind of dwells outside of what the manosphere really talks about. It's just known that having children and being a good father doesn't actually protect him from female hypergamy. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/12 04:47 PM |
| 1 | Is marriage beneficial to men?The major reason to be exclusive is for childbearing- right? No. I think the main reason for being exclusive is to calm the tensions of jealousy. I don't have any kids and I'm not married, so I don't particularly know if marriage makes raising children easier in any way. I do know that marriage is really just this traditional thing. You're trying to find some utilitarian purpose for it, and there might not really be any. It's a carryover from the days of arranged marriages, and when young women … | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/12 04:45 PM |
| 2 | Is marriage beneficial to men?Not sure what you mean by security. I think you're thinking in a MRA frame here, which is fine, but it's not how I usually think of the issue. In terms of the red pill, you don't get security in your relationship by legal contracts and government punishments, but by being your woman's alpha so she has no compulsion to stray. Don't be beta, don't marry an alpha widow, etc. Your only security is if your wife doesn't want to leave you. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/12 04:16 PM |
| 5 | Is marriage beneficial to men?Well...marriage isn't the same thing as committing. A long-term relationship, even if it's boyfriend/girlfriend, is considered committing and is supposed to be exclusive. You can commit without marriage. And if you have a casual sexual relationship with her...are you really talking about marriage? Do you feel that strongly about her that you want to marry her? Are you in love with her? A casual relationship, and the way you talk about, it sounds this one isn't going to be your long term partner.… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/12 03:57 PM |
| 5 | 20 Ways to Be More Assertive and Get What You WantBut lets not throw away a valuable friendship if they won't sleep with you. But friendships are based on some level of equity. If you're in a friendship with a woman you want to sleep with, and she doesn't want to sleep with you, that's just a disturbing tension that will drive the friendship apart. This is also why poor guys aren't generally good friends with rich people, etc. | /r/seduction | 26/10/12 05:24 AM |
| 2 | Welcome to the Red PillI really hope this place takes off. There is desperate need for an alternative to places like /r/dating_advice and /r/relationships that isn't so female-centric and is based on reality. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/12 04:52 AM |
| 7 | How mainstream is seduction now?The best treasures preserve their value...by defamation. | /r/seduction | 26/10/12 03:42 AM |
| 3 | How much has the game changed since "The Game"?It's constantly evolving, but I still think MM is the foundation to most game that actually works. I agree. I think of most of the other stuff as footnotes and minor differences of opinion to MM. Nothing wrong with natural game, but I think when you do a lot of natural game, all those encounters are going to start looking the same, and it's going to look a lot like MM. | /r/seduction | 24/10/12 01:40 PM |
| 3 | Above The Game Part 2: Fundamentals of Attraction: Authenticity, Desire, Excitement, LifestyleAbsolutely true. A lot of women are actually incredibly turned on just by the the way you talk about something that you are truly passionate about. It doesn't even matter if she understands it, or is interested in it, it's just sexy the way you talk about it, and the control you have over it. | /r/seduction | 24/10/12 04:02 AM |
| 14 | Above The Game Part 2: Fundamentals of Attraction: Authenticity, Desire, Excitement, LifestyleJust wanted to say...you make a really great point. I don't know how long it's been since you guys have been needy, but I'm still struggling to roll over the hill, and what you're saying makes a lot of sense. The problem is being honest about your bullet points. My opinion, as someone who is starting to do really good with his inner game, is that you want to be honest/authentic with regard to the man you want to be, not with the man you are. You have to be able to imagine the alpha version of yo… | /r/seduction | 24/10/12 03:50 AM |
| 2 | [FR] OKC Date #1, F-close. Already knee deep in OKC womenYeah, that's what I pretty much suspect. I do look at the comments made by guys who have success, and I notice a definite metro vibe among the guys who say they have a lot of success with it. I also believe that OkC in particular trends liberal, so it's mainly the blue cities in California, Washington, Oregon, New York, Massachusetts, and DC. A lot of guys are blaming the wrong things IMHO. | /r/seduction | 24/10/12 03:07 AM |
| 5 | [FR] OKC Date #1, F-close. Already knee deep in OKC womenMaybe. I think there is definitely a difference in terms of how target-rich your locale is (I'm in the midwest) also how culturally different the locale is. My area is very traditional, and online dating is probably still seen as something that desperate people do. | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 05:25 PM |
| 4 | [FR] OKC Date #1, F-close. Already knee deep in OKC womenWhat's your locale? Seriously, there are a lot of variables, and it would be interesting if we can try to figure which ones are the relevant ones. Check out /r/okcupid sometime and you'll see a lot of guys who do everything "right" and don't get many legit responses. | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 05:10 PM |
| 77 | [FR] OKC Date #1, F-close. Already knee deep in OKC womenThis isn't a Field Report, it's a Brag Report. Mind laying out what worked, and what didn't work? Your kind of success on OkC is rare. Many of us think it's mainly the attractiveness of your pictures. Some have interesting photos and humorous profiles. You don't mention anything useful really. Shame. | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 03:27 PM |
| 1 | I'm 26 and very motivated to change my life...my only problem is I feel like I've wasted so much time, and it's killing my motivation. Advice?I'm definitely still an rAFC. I haven't been approaching as much as I should be, focusing mainly on becoming less of a recluse, improving my style and fitness, and whatever I can do to improve my inner game. I'm sill pretty new at this...discovered it when I was 29. | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 03:13 PM |
| 1 | [xMODx] Seddit Simple Questions Thread 10/22/2012Thanks for that. I think I got better than a hug. But she says that she "loves my brain" and says "you win, you definitely win" several times. I think my problem is 100% game. Our kiss didn't wow her, due to relative inexperience on my part. And I should have been more dominant and escalated more. | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 03:08 PM |
| 1 | [xMODx] Seddit Simple Questions Thread 10/22/2012Sure will. Thanks for trying to respond, but it's clear to me that it isn't really a "simple question". | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 04:20 AM |
| 1 | [xMODx] Seddit Simple Questions Thread 10/22/2012Well, she left. The context was obviously with her leaving, otherwise she would have invited me in. Maybe I'll write an FR on this, because there might be a few useful things from it, and maybe more context is needed for people to critique me. | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 04:01 AM |
| 2 | Question about shy girls and eye contactYou're awesome, and you're absolutely right. This subreddit is great that it gives people the right attitude. | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 03:59 AM |
| 1 | [xMODx] Seddit Simple Questions Thread 10/22/2012Sorry...I did tell her I wanted to have sex with her. Yeah, I shouldn't have said it like that, but I was in honesty-mode with her, and this was basically when she said "And on that note, it's time to go." But she did engage in a little banter, look me in the eyes in a really sexy way, and gave me a kiss. Maybe I'm just reading things wrong... | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 03:50 AM |
| 3 | Question about shy girls and eye contactYeah. I do check out /r/okcupid every now and then, and one thing that seems to work isn't so much being hot (unless you're already in the top-10%, and then a lot of women pass those guys up), but just having very interesting pictures. Pictures of you out doing interesting things with other people: no mirror shots, no bar shots, no posing on vacation shots. But this is hard to stage, which is why it's DHV. Possible examples: Exploring an abandoned building with friends. Party around a bonfire wi… | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 03:43 AM |
| 2 | Question about shy girls and eye contactAh. I'm doing better on POF than I did on OkCupid, maybe I should retry/reactivate my OkCupid account. I think what is missing from these dating site discussions is what people's profile pictures look like. That's 80% of what matters on dating sites, IMHO. I'm not all that good looking (about a 6/10), don't make a lot of money, aren't educated, and so my SMV is low and I don't usually have a lot of success on dating sites. I'm just saying how it is. My date tonight was a larger woman, but I thin… | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 03:05 AM |
| 21 | [xMODx] Seddit Simple Questions Thread 10/22/2012You're not supposed to talk to 8's. | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 02:49 AM |
| 2 | Question about shy girls and eye contactMissing what is meant/implied by that. This was my first date from off POF. | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 02:46 AM |
| 1 | [xMODx] Seddit Simple Questions Thread 10/22/2012I just came back from a first date. K-close and lots of conversation: Our personalities seem to meld together perfectly, we think and speak very similarly. We were touching almost the whole time. But I don't think I built any sexual attraction in her. I think she's romantically interested, but not sexually interested. I'm not interested in playing her...looking for a romantic relationship, but not if she's not sexually interested in me. Is there any hope for me changing things in a day two? I'm … | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 02:32 AM |
| 5 | Question about shy girls and eye contactPOF | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 02:26 AM |
| 25 | Question about shy girls and eye contactGlad you're bringing this up, because I'm going out with a shy girl tonight. I did have a girl with serious anxiety issues, and it all just sort of went away once I put my arm around her. So I'm just going to try to be forward with the kino, and just lead the interactions with a strong frame. We texted a bit, but I decided to call her because I didn't want her flaking due to nervousness (this happens more than we know!). She told me she's socially awkward, and how guys flirt with her and she doe… | /r/seduction | 22/10/12 04:20 PM |
| 2 | Dealing with anxiety, taking small steps to lead up to approaches?I don't know. If you have some sort of chronic anxiety, you need to deal with that. But if you're like me, and have reclusive habits, then it's just normal anxiety. BTW, anxiety is normal. Doesn't mean you have a mental illness. You can do all that stuff, but I doubt it will help. Yeah, taking small steps is what you should do, but going to the gym and taking vitamins is just irrelevant to what you're trying to accomplish. You get better at going out by going out. You get better at approaching b… | /r/seduction | 22/10/12 03:05 PM |
| 3 | A great advice a friend gave me to help me to stop over-analyzing girls.AFC's do a lot of rationalizing I've noticed. Just about everytime I hear someone on reddit use the term "douchebag" it's about some guy they are envious of. Also oneitis..."she has such a great soul"...no, it's called being hot, and in your proximity. If a guy is scarce of female companionship, he'll eventually latch on to the Closest Potential Female (CPF). Yeah, I just coined that term. Just now. Truth. | /r/seduction | 22/10/12 02:59 PM |
| 6 | I'm 26 and very motivated to change my life...my only problem is I feel like I've wasted so much time, and it's killing my motivation. Advice?Imagine, four years from now, when you turn 30, how much time you have wasted. And you'll be exactly where you are now, trolling seddit, still looking for motivation. I am 30 now. | /r/seduction | 22/10/12 02:41 PM |
| 1 | Misunderstood alphaThat is part of your character, you either have it or you don't. Yep. But it's hard to tell what sort of character women dig. We say "alpha" but what does that mean? It's not "just confidence". Confidence is just adaptation to your circumstances. Alpha confidence is either a form of preselection (confidence with women implies experience with women) or dominance ("It is better to be feared than loved" --Machiavelli). Here's a subtle difference between the alpha and beta characters: How fidgety ar… | /r/seduction | 22/10/12 02:34 PM |
| 2 | I just got my first kiss!"Don't hump us like a dog with it" really made me cry. | /r/seduction | 22/10/12 01:57 PM |
| 2 | [FR] OKC F-Close and OKC strategy, theory, ideas.I should do an FR of a #-close I had last night. I guess I disagree with the following: In my case, I think I actually did create attraction by DHVing and maintaining a strong frame. When you think about it, for online dating to work at all, you kind of have to be able to create attraction/interest to get the date at all. I don't know about just posting your phone number and hoping she texts it. In my case, I was constantly underinvesting, and she was overinvesting, and she gave me her number. T… | /r/seduction | 22/10/12 02:50 AM |
| 2 | Private Facebook Group To Get More DHV Likes & Comments For Statuses, Pics, EtcYeah...if you want this to actually work, you'd need to create a bunch of fake HB profiles. But watch your social value seriously plummet the moment you're called out on doing this. | /r/seduction | 20/10/12 04:05 PM |
| 14 | How does one establish a social network or a list of friends that help you meet more people?My thought: It's actually a numbers game, just like pick-up. You just need to be constantly meeting new people until you find people who you click with, who hopefully know other people who you would also click with. Pro-tip: Meet gay guys. A lot of straight guys just know other straight guys, because they are constantly trying to hook up with HB's. But gay guys generally have a decent number of HB friends. | /r/seduction | 20/10/12 02:52 PM |
| -1 | For beginners like me, Read the Damn Sidebar!! Knowledge is power. also guys i didn't know how to put the indicator to show thats this would be a motivational quote so sorry.Then find a computer and read the sidebar. | /r/seduction | 20/10/12 05:09 AM |
| 1 | For beginners like me, Read the Damn Sidebar!! Knowledge is power. also guys i didn't know how to put the indicator to show thats this would be a motivational quote so sorry.Thought about confidence: Confidence is really just an adaptation, and it comes from experience. It took me a while just getting confident in bars. Confidence with women is the same thing...the more experience and success you have with women, the more confidence you'll seem to have. Take the most alpha guy you know, put him in a foreign environment, and he'll lose his confidence. But really, the confidence that women look for in men is just another form of pre-selection. | /r/seduction | 20/10/12 03:27 AM |
| -1 | For beginners like me, Read the Damn Sidebar!! Knowledge is power. also guys i didn't know how to put the indicator to show thats this would be a motivational quote so sorry.Does the sidebar also explain what the hell you guys are saying on here? Kino, amog, HB's...qúe? YES! Why do people ask questions that they could answer themselves with minimum effort? | /r/seduction | 20/10/12 03:25 AM |
| 2 | [xMODx] Seddit Simple Questions Thread 10/19/2012Alright, sort of what I thought. Thanks. | /r/seduction | 20/10/12 03:14 AM |
| 3 | [xMODx] Seddit Simple Questions Thread 10/19/2012Any opinions on the day of the week to go out? I've gone out on week days and on week ends, and it may be a demographic thing (I'm 30), but I sort of prefer going out on week days. I think having fewer people makes easier to open and talk to people. Is there truth to this or am I just limiting myself? | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 11:48 PM |
| 2 | I asked a girl for 3 things she's into, later another guy did the same, she pointed it out and awkwardness ensued.A good rule of thumb is that anything abnormal about her is obscenely normal to her. The only Indian girl in town is going to hear all the time about things related to being Indian. And identical twin is going to hear all the time comments about being an identical twin. | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 11:16 PM |
| 36 | I asked a girl for 3 things she's into, later another guy did the same, she pointed it out and awkwardness ensued.I think this is why a lot of sedditors say not to use lines as openers. You could just use "Hi, I'm Kevin." Maybe de-emphasize the opener, because lines themselves sound sort of needy. | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 07:01 PM |
| 1 | People (and sadly, many ladies) bore me. How do I end his?I thought you were one of the rationals somethingNTsomething. I've always scored INTP and I usually find the profiles spot-on for me, but then that could be a cognitive bias too. | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 06:57 PM |
| 1 | People (and sadly, many ladies) bore me. How do I end his?I'm more interested in factual theories (theories consistent with observable facts). I meant the contrast in the sense that theories are the overarching explanation for the facts. You lose interest quickly for the unexplained, isolated facts. I took the test, and it told me I'm Guardian Supervisor (ESTJ). Then I pegged you wrong then. Or maybe you're just right about the test being hokey. | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 05:56 PM |
| 3 | People (and sadly, many ladies) bore me. How do I end his?I know personality and intelligence is highly related, but that you enjoy thinking for it's own sake, you're more interested in theory than facts, you spend more time in your head than looking for stimulation externally...these are all aspects of your temperament. Some people see inconsistencies in their own logic...they just don't care. For me, it bothers me. I may not be all that intelligent, and will make mistakes, but when I notice the inconsistency or someone points it out to me, I'm distur… | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 05:28 PM |
| 2 | People (and sadly, many ladies) bore me. How do I end his?Have you ever had your temperament tested? I'm actually really skeptical of it as a comprehensive theory, but I do think there's a sense to the idea that if you're in one of the minority temperaments (you and I are probably both Rationalists), then it's hard to get attracted to the personality of most of the women out there. I'm saying, it may not be about intelligence, but about personality. | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 05:17 PM |
| 2 | The groundwork: Treat women like people, not sex objects. And be genuine.Treat women like people...who you want to have sex with. | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 05:06 PM |
| 2 | I’d Rather Die on My Feet Than Live on My KneesI disagree with you, and agree with the OP. You want to polarize women quickly: Either they have some interest in you, or they don't. You want to know right away. It's stupid to try to string a girl along who will never be intimate with you. This is why you guys get friend zoned. You need to take risks guys. | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 03:10 PM |
| 1 | I’d Rather Die on My Feet Than Live on My KneesYou sort of need to know the difference between character and temperament. Your temperament never changes, but your character can. So the idea is to make your character more seduction, but not trying to change your temperament. | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 03:07 PM |
| 5 | Dear fellow introverts: Introversion is not a handicap. Stop viewing it that way.I think a lot of us understand this. I'm an introvert, but I'm not shy. There are probably a lot of introverts here...the internet is a natural place for introverts to come to. It's basically socializing where you can decide how long you want to take part, who you want to talk to, what conversation you want to enter, which message you want to reply to, etc. The internet is an introvert's paradise. That being said, it would be helpful to have some advice for introverts. It's not a handicap, but I… | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 02:46 PM |
| 3 | Above The Game: Intro & My Story (Preview of My Upcoming Seduction Guide)So what's your opinion about the "don't shit where you eat" stuff? You say you had sex with co-workers...did this ever become really bad for you? Speaking as someone also entertaining similar options, but note that I'm actually your age now. Might change things a bit. | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 02:48 AM |
| 1 | I’d Rather Die on My Feet Than Live on My KneesPractice letting women walk out that door if you're not getting enough interest. Yes, you may have to learn how to get women in the door if you can’t already do that. I think this is the main question that many of us rAFC's have. How do you know when she's in the door? I think I tend to try an alpha frame too early, and it just turns her off and ejects too soon. | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 02:24 AM |
| 0 | How do I stop being a hater? I'm a very cynical and negative person and its affecting my game.Honestly, this really isn't something you can control. I don't know if you know about personality types, but for example I'm an INTP. The last letter represents Perceiving, and the alternative is Judging, so there are INTJ's. The thing is...I don't think this really affects your game really. Both P's and J's get laid. I know people who are obviously J's, and they just see people and are instantly judging or evaluating them, and that's just how they are. You ask my opinion about someone, and a lo… | /r/seduction | 17/10/12 05:05 PM |
| 2 | PSY [of Gangnam Style] gives advice on hooking up with women.This is true guys. Women have a really weird logic about stuff like this. I once made the mistake of telling a girl I was into that her hair looked really nice the other day (because she had it done up that day and I forgot to mention it). She was offended. | /r/seduction | 17/10/12 04:45 PM |
| 1 | 8 Honest (and Somewhat Harsh) Criticisms from a Dude who Gives Dating AdviceIt's mainly medication. I just take generic Ritalin everyday. Trust me, I tried everything I could think in those 20 years to get my life on track short of medication: Making lists, organization systems, self-help books, diet, exercise, and they were all exercises in frustration. I had to make a physiological change to my body. I'm just lucky that it's just one pill I have to take, and there are hardly any side-effects. | /r/seduction | 17/10/12 02:29 AM |
| 2 | RSD Julian '' Stop mental masturbation ''Yeah, that's basically the opposite of what Mystery said, who says that you should play the game for it's own sake, and not worry about the girls. | /r/seduction | 16/10/12 04:54 PM |
| 1 | Lifestyle Guide (crosspost from /r/YouShouldKnow)IMHO, you really don't. Just weigh yourself everyday. Understand there's going to be variation and fluctuation, but if you're not losing on average 2 lbs/week, then you know you need to eat less. Keep track of what you're eating somehow, you don't need to write it down. If you want to lose weight and keep it off, then it's going to be about life-long habits. Sure, you could count calories, but do you realistically see yourself counting calories for the rest of your life? Then don't rely on this … | /r/seduction | 16/10/12 04:30 PM |
| 1 | Lifestyle Guide (crosspost from /r/YouShouldKnow)Same stats, high-five bro! We're going to drop to 180 lbs, you with me? | /r/seduction | 16/10/12 04:27 PM |
| 1 | First two minutes: IN FIELD FOOTAGE from RSD Alexander, one of the greatest PUAs in the world.Dunno...another guy in the top-10% of looks teaching guys how to get laid. Plus bonus Australian accent. | /r/seduction | 16/10/12 04:23 PM |
| 1 | Good PUA movies to either learn from, or get in the mindsetSorry...but the idea of watching a movie with a PUA theme before you go sargeing is laughable. Honestly, it's probably better that you avoid watching most Hollywood movies, especially dorky romantic comedies. Most movies, and their romantic plots, are beta-fantasy movies where the bumbling fool gets the girl sort of thing. Probably try to find movies with strong masculine characters that you can look up to. | /r/seduction | 16/10/12 03:20 PM |
| 1 | Being the alpha when there is another clearly more alpha male there.Okay, think about Mario and Luigi. Luigi is taller, and bigger. They both fight enemies and conquer the castles, but it is only Mario who ever kisses Princess Toadstool. Bigger dudes have the advantage only because their size intimidates other guys or makes them doubt themselves. You can actually be bigger than a bigger guy through body language. | /r/seduction | 16/10/12 03:09 PM |
| 1 | Share your daily exercises for: voice tonality, body language, conversation, etcI work on this stuff at work, and everywhere I go. Seriously, you don't need to do exercises, you need to establish habits. | /r/seduction | 16/10/12 03:04 PM |
| 1 | 8 Honest (and Somewhat Harsh) Criticisms from a Dude who Gives Dating AdviceYeah, a lot of good stuff there, seen it before. Especially the success-spiral/failure-spiral stuff. I've posted about that before, but didn't realize I probably got that from here. That said, there are lots of guys a lot worse off than I am. Aside from my looks, my difficulty won't be getting laid, but getting into a relationship. At some point women are going to wonder why I effectively had no social life for 20 years. It's a legitimate red flag for women who don't know me. | /r/seduction | 16/10/12 02:58 PM |
| 2 | 8 Honest (and Somewhat Harsh) Criticisms from a Dude who Gives Dating Advice(in fact, I mean it more for people with serious emotional issues, like a deep-seeded hatred of women, etc.) Just be careful about being superficial here. Basically, the untreated-ADHD me was an Omega. He was a total reject, but he put women on a pedestal. It was his lack of experience with women that made him a total feminist and a total chump. There was no greater white knight than this guy. When I was bitter and frustrated about women I blamed myself, but this was arbitrary. I could have easi… | /r/seduction | 16/10/12 02:08 PM |
| 18 | 8 Honest (and Somewhat Harsh) Criticisms from a Dude who Gives Dating AdviceWorried about #5. Yeah, I guess I've been weird all my life... Basically, I had ADHD as a kid. I was treated up until I was nine, when my parents lost their jobs (and health insurance), moved across the country, and basically decided that I grew out of it and so I was left untreated. I was always acting like a screwball, always picked on, always an outcast, never had friends except for the kids who were also outcasts. I went untreated for 20 years until about a year ago. So I'm basically 20 year… | /r/seduction | 16/10/12 06:54 AM |
| 1 | "Stop thinking about relationships for a while, just try to be friends with girls using the same criteria you use when making friends with other boys ... If something's there it'll happen naturally." What are your guys' thoughts on this?Pretty much. I've been thinking lately, and there are a couple of threads on /r/askwomen that have given me things to chew on. Here we talk about cold approach, and it seems that the majority of women really want a warm approach. So I think the point of the first phase of game is to make a cold approach that feels to the target like a warm approach. Just don't beta yourself in the process. | /r/seduction | 16/10/12 05:51 AM |
| 2 | I overcame the "I have a boyfriend" barrier. I have officially stepped up my game.It's not really a shit test. I think Mystery calls it a protection shield. Women, especially HB's, get hit on a lot. So there are a lot of things they do to reduce the number of guys who will hit on them. Remember, this isn't because she's not interested in you per se, but it's a sort of defense mechanism against the number of guys hitting on her, and perhaps some degree of protection against back pick-up attempts, or creepy and dangerous guys. So telling guys "I have a boyfriend" is just exampl… | /r/seduction | 16/10/12 05:42 AM |
| 4 | Coming to terms with yourself physically.This is going to sound really stupid, but if it works, it works. If you are self-conscious about your penis size, clip/shave your pubic hair. Strangely, I walk around with a feeling of cock-privilege now. Seduction is a game of numbers. Take risks, and you’ll win some and you’ll lose some. But heck at least you’re winning some. Yep. You measure by the number of women you've had sex with; not the number of women who've rejected you. | /r/seduction | 15/10/12 08:35 PM |
| 5 | I overcame the "I have a boyfriend" barrier. I have officially stepped up my game.She doesn't have a boyfriend. That's the thing, all the white knights need to stand down. It's a line she says, guys. I asked a woman out last night. She says she has a fiance. I'll give a 50/50 chance that she's even seeing anyone right now. She just didn't like getting hit on. | /r/seduction | 15/10/12 07:25 PM |
| 2 | Need some insight on girls going for other guyshttp://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/09/23/wait-for-it/ | /r/seduction | 14/10/12 05:22 PM |
| 8 | Adapting Pick-up strategy to situations where One is with the same people for a long time (Job/Study Abroad/Internship)It doesn't click. Why doesn't it click. | /r/seduction | 14/10/12 04:47 PM |
| -6 | Seduction thoughts 6 months inTo assume i'm not getting laid is cute thou. Illiterate. | /r/seduction | 14/10/12 04:42 PM |
| 2 | Question to Seddit: How do you feel about introducing AMA's to Seddit?I don't see why not. Just post an AMA and see if people respond well to it. | /r/seduction | 14/10/12 03:41 PM |
| -2 | Seduction thoughts 6 months inSeduction is about making yourself a better version of yourself. It is about working on your body, on your mind and on your soul. Yeah, but if you're not getting laid, then it's you who's missing the point. | /r/seduction | 14/10/12 03:40 PM |
| 1 | Seduction thoughts 6 months inThanks for your post, and I'm glad to see some honesty. You're basically questioning the concept of game, which is good to criticize honestly. The idea that game can create attraction that doesn't exist...it's a staple of the PUA community, but I had an experience last night where it just felt more like a meat market. Mark Manson has this concept where there are three kinds of women: Negative, women who would never have any interest in you; neutral, women who don't lean either way; and positive,… | /r/seduction | 14/10/12 03:37 PM |
| 3 | Question to Seddit: How do you feel about introducing AMA's to Seddit?Check the sidebar, we already have AMA's, but they are AMA's with actual PUA's. You don't have to write an FR for every single girl. Often the FR's are about a night out. Frankly, you're creating a problem that doesn't exist. Just chill. | /r/seduction | 14/10/12 03:13 PM |
| 1 | We've all heard of the alpha and beta male. Now who here's a sigma male?Yep, you sound like a good candidate. So why are you working on your game? | /r/seduction | 13/10/12 09:47 PM |
| 5 | The best beginner advice I can give for AA in night gameJust want to say that I'm really liking your posts. | /r/seduction | 13/10/12 08:44 PM |
| 1 | Bars Have Become Venues for Friends to Hang out vs. Singles to Hook UpThat's a very interesting point relating warm approach with FB and social circles. I've been rather anti-Facebook game, but in the context of developing your social circle, it kind of makes sense. You don't actually have to friend people in order to message them. You could just message a friend of a friend, and you have an in through your Facebook friend, or you could even use your Facebook friend to introduce you. But it seems a lot more sticky. | /r/seduction | 13/10/12 08:37 PM |
| 2 | Bars Have Become Venues for Friends to Hang out vs. Singles to Hook UpI think it's always been time for social circle gaming. Problem is, social circle game isn't really game. I mean, you can't make it into HB's social circles without having high value. That's the whole point. Social circle game == developing high value. | /r/seduction | 13/10/12 06:21 AM |
| 2 | [Inner Game] How do I get out of my head and stay in the moment? Any tips to help you stay on the right track?Yeah, but I also don't want people to use this as an excuse not to go out. Maybe not everyone is a recovering recluse, but it's too easy to tell yourself that you're not on today, so I'm not going out. What I'm trying to say is...just don't let it bother you. I watch my mood a lot and I'll get into a better mood just driving to the venue. It helps to stop at a gas station or something like that, just to get a little chatty. Part of "getting out of your head" is "getting into other people's heads… | /r/seduction | 12/10/12 10:35 PM |
| 5 | Looks and their importance in pickupMy thinking has been that looks do matter. I think there are two kinds of guys: Those who are in the top 10% in looks, and the rest of us. So it's not like a ranking system. Unless you're an HG9, your looks really don't matter. If you're an HG9, then your game is basically not screwing things up. If you're not an HG9, then your looks don't matter, and you need more game. An HG8 doesn't really have much more of an advantage than an HG6. We depend on the fact that there really aren't that many HB9… | /r/seduction | 12/10/12 06:27 PM |
| 9 | [Inner Game] How do I get out of my head and stay in the moment? Any tips to help you stay on the right track?Eh, people are going to say meditation, but check your fundamentals first: sleep, nutrition, stress. Also, we all go through a cycle where sometimes we're feeling upbeat and positive, and other times we're feeling down and glum. We're not "always on". I'd have to know more about the situation you're talking about. I really doubt this is a general problem. Usually people post here saying stuff like this after they come out of a bad interaction with some people. | /r/seduction | 12/10/12 06:17 PM |
| 25 | Bars Have Become Venues for Friends to Hang out vs. Singles to Hook UpI don't know. I've had similar issues with venues...mainly the male:female ratio, and just general low attendance overall. I think the main thing is that game has to be constantly evolving. But I think it's silly to blame smart phones/Facebook/online dating. Have bars ever been the mainstream method women hooked-up? I think there's always been a negative stigma against bar pick-ups. And I don't think that online dating has ever really proved itself. Women establish these large social circles for… | /r/seduction | 12/10/12 06:11 PM |
| 2 | Is it possible to create attraction with someone who you know isn't attracted to you now?Whenever someone touches you in a way Kino is taught does it always mean there is attraction or do people do that to other people they don't find attractive? Not always. Some women are just touchy. Some women are flirty because they want to chump you. But it's not a bad assumption to make. | /r/seduction | 12/10/12 01:05 PM |
| 5 | Apparently I've turned into an asshole. No More Mr. Nice Guy technique failed me?Whoa...what exactly are you saying? You're being very vague. If you really were "that nice" before, it's hard for me to understand how you're suddenly projecting asshole tendencies. It could be calibration...I think all of us former nice guys have to go through the asshole stage at some point. But I think there's more going on here. And who are these girls you "were" dating? You were dating both at the same time? Are you sure you're not dating them because you're an asshole? Also...what kind of … | /r/seduction | 12/10/12 04:59 AM |
| 0 | We've all heard of the alpha and beta male. Now who here's a sigma male?Thing is...there's no such thing as "douchebagginess". In itself, it's a judgmental term, usually sour grapes or general bitterness. Honestly, I don't know what "stereotypically alpha douchebag behavior" is. Alpha behavior, generally, is the kind of behavior you can get away with, and thus people will respect you more, once you already have the respect and admiration of the people around you. At least that's generally how I define it. | /r/seduction | 12/10/12 04:02 AM |
| 3 | Tips on how to be seductive/flirty around menSomething I was thinking...you should really try doing what the guys here are doing. Try banter, learn sexual innuendo. Isolate the target, get him hot for you. If you're hot, it really shouldn't be hard. Guys turn on like a switch. I'm not sure about touch. Touch probably works better on women than on men. You need to remember that men are extremely visual. For male seducers, it's all about getting close to the target, touching her while keeping a dominant frame. As a woman, you can actually se… | /r/seduction | 12/10/12 03:57 AM |
| -2 | We've all heard of the alpha and beta male. Now who here's a sigma male?I know my share of 20, 21, 22, 23 year-old girls...and my conclusion is that they're all immature. They're just immature in different ways. Some girls can seem more mature, but it just means you need to delve deeper into their personality. It might just be a blind spot of your own...a piece of your own immaturity blinds you to her own. It's just like the 20 year old guy with wife, kids, job, and mortgage. He seems mature, and her certainly is in most ways. Until later in life...he realizes he wa… | /r/seduction | 12/10/12 03:34 AM |
| 1 | How to deal with multiple/repeated rejections?Gambler's fallacy. | /r/seduction | 12/10/12 03:20 AM |
| 2 | We've all heard of the alpha and beta male. Now who here's a sigma male?Because you're not reading right. | /r/seduction | 12/10/12 03:16 AM |
| 11 | We've all heard of the alpha and beta male. Now who here's a sigma male?For example, things that are often referred to as "Alpha" behavior are, very often, pretty douchebaggy. Yeah, it gets attention, but from what kind of woman? I don't really want anything to do women who are turned on by immature behavior. The kind of women who are turned on by immature behavior...are immature women. That is, women 23 years old and younger. That is, the most attractive and beautiful women there are... You're starting to see the problem now. | /r/seduction | 12/10/12 03:02 AM |
| 6 | We've all heard of the alpha and beta male. Now who here's a sigma male?Yeah, I heard it. I liked it at first, because it romanticizes an element of my self-image. But then I realized...who says that these sigma males actually get laid? All the examples are fictional characters. So I tried to think of actual examples of sigma males. Maybe you guys can think of more, but here's one sure candidate: Friedrich Nietzsche. Did he get laid? It's hard to say. What about the man who wrote this: I love the forest. It is bad to live in cities: there too many are in heat. Is it… | /r/seduction | 12/10/12 02:58 AM |
| 1 | Tips for a dominant smile?Before trying to fake, check your fundamentals: stress, sleep, nutrition. Take a multi-vitamin and fish oil everyday. Try exercise. Frustration with job and social circle sounds like it's probably stress. I'd have to know more about what is going on to give any further advice. If your fundamentals are in trouble, you're going to have a really hard time "faking it". | /r/seduction | 12/10/12 02:37 AM |
| 2 | REMINDER: ALWAYS LEAVE THEM WANTING MOREText game is as devoid of value as Facebook game. Neither constitute game. Both are feeble attempts to get around approach anxiety, and you basically acquire low-value by association with all the other low value guys who are messaging her, liking her pictures and complimenting her. Use text messages, Facebook, etc for communication, not for seduction/attraction. My best Facebook "game" has been in not being available on Facebook...she was thinking about me an entire week one time, hoping to find… | /r/seduction | 11/10/12 05:31 PM |
| 12 | Tips for a dominant smile?You might want to check yourself when people tell you to cheer up. Might sound strange, but you're not actually always aware of your emotions. You can be depressed even if you don't feel depressed, and people can read it on your face even if you're not aware of it. | /r/seduction | 11/10/12 05:23 PM |
| 9 | REMINDER: ALWAYS LEAVE THEM WANTING MOREIt doesn't. Get off the computer and approach women in real life. | /r/seduction | 11/10/12 05:13 PM |
| 2 | Opinions(ego) vs. Facts [Inner Game]Close...but I kind of disagree. I hate appeals to confidence that only go half way. There are no facts, only interpretations. I can usually tell how beta a guy on here is by the number of "facts", of "I am" or "he has" qualities he spouts. Why? Because everytime a girl rejects him, or everytime he's envious of some other guy, he takes another dump on himself and tries to figure out "why". Ask a beta what do women really want, and he'll tell you a bunch of stuff, but says it is mainly [whatever f… | /r/seduction | 11/10/12 04:39 PM |
| 1 | Pretty sure I've become somewhat of a misogynist (Why ignorance was bliss for me).I approve of those blogs, especially the first. If you want to truly understand, and not just go along with what makes society feel good, these blogs will get to the heart of what women are about. | /r/seduction | 11/10/12 02:19 AM |
| 4 | Here's a few ways to respond when women compliment you.I agree with this. It's all about entitlement. If you just say "Thanks" by itself, and move on to the next thing/conversation thread, you're subcommunicating that you get complimented often. You really need to subcommunicate that deserve the compliment. "You too" implies "Whoa...she gave me more compliment than I deserve, I better give back the change!" | /r/seduction | 10/10/12 05:33 PM |
| 1 | When you are seducing a woman what gets better results: Do you try to make her feel better about herself or do you try and play on her insecurities a little?Okay, thanks for the advice. | /r/seduction | 10/10/12 04:59 PM |
| 2 | When you are seducing a woman what gets better results: Do you try to make her feel better about herself or do you try and play on her insecurities a little?What do you think about genuine compliments? I definitely understand the feel of being like her girlfriend that butters her up, but I'm thinking in the nearly involuntary sense. For instance, you're talking, and she turns her head and you're distracted by her hair. You say, "Whoa." She smiles and asks "What?" You say, "I just really like your hair." Then you cut back to the conversation thread. I thought that this is a good exception to the "no compliments" rule. | /r/seduction | 10/10/12 04:02 AM |
| 1 | "You've been hitting on every girl here" - Overdoing it?I think the issue is semantics here. You're calling every bitchy thing a woman says a "shit test". It's not, and you're just going to confuse everyone. If she's genuinely annoyed with you, and wants you to leave, it's not a shit test. | /r/seduction | 09/10/12 05:00 PM |
| 1 | Can someone give me a definition of Mystery's phase changes?Just buy Mystery Method. It's all in there. It's on Kindle. | /r/seduction | 09/10/12 04:16 PM |
| 2 | "You've been hitting on every girl here" - Overdoing it?Nah...you have the wrong idea about shit tests. I think you're talking about the bitch shield. Shit tests are IOI's. You really need to learn how to recognize the difference. Will improve your game. | /r/seduction | 09/10/12 04:33 AM |
| 3 | What's up with pretend to not like girls that we like?just a few thoughts i formulated on my way home from work. This is the problem. You have a theory. Go out and try them out for us, then get back to us. | /r/seduction | 09/10/12 03:55 AM |
| 2 | "You've been hitting on every girl here" - Overdoing it?someone might throw out a shit test because they're genuinely annoyed of you and want you to leave. That's not a shit test. That's not even a test. Just means they want you to leave. | /r/seduction | 09/10/12 03:37 AM |
| 2 | Is it just me or when people hate on PUAs it's only on neggingI'm not sure a lot of girls even believe in that Disney-style romance anymore. Probably so. I'm in midwest suburbia, so we're probably a little slow with the prevailing trends. Could depend on what tempo is the girl at: At a higher tempo, more attracted to cities, etc, maybe she just wants to be stimulated, and sex is another form of stimulation. But low tempo girls are pretty passive, not actually superficial, but also end up in some bad relationships. I think more guys by into it then girls do… | /r/seduction | 09/10/12 12:48 AM |
| 6 | Is it just me or when people hate on PUAs it's only on neggingEh...problem is, people who say "objectification of women" don't actually know what they are talking about. Objectification is supposed to be about "sex sells" and the idea that the only power a lot of women have is in their sexuality, and this sexuality becomes a commodity on the market. In context, it refers to the HB-scale, the insane notion that some women are more attractive than other women, and that this judgment is pretty universal among men. In this sense, "the objectification of women"… | /r/seduction | 09/10/12 12:36 AM |
| 13 | Is it just me or when people hate on PUAs it's only on neggingThere's should a be term for this, but it's like if you hate Arabs, you're going to talk about terrorism; if you hatee Christianity, you're going to talk about bombing abortion clinics; etc. A lot of women basically hate the idea of PUA. They're still sold on Disney-style romances, that things happen for a reason, that the stars determine their destiny and love of their life. In this worldview, PUA's are basically demons, out to get in the way of their Soul Mate from ever meeting them. They don'… | /r/seduction | 09/10/12 12:09 AM |
| 0 | [FR] Not your typical gym alphaWow, this girl knows her shit! Love it! Thought did cross that you're a guy who made up an FR pretending to be a woman, but there's no reason women can't write like this! | /r/seduction | 08/10/12 11:57 PM |
| 10 | What's your trademark way to escalate a conversation to a intimate level?I don't think he's looking for a method, but for examples. This is something that I think a lot of us have problems with. It's like hoverhands, but with conversation, and for the same reason: Fear of coming across creepy. Still a rAFC, but I've realized that the creep line is much further than I used to think it was. Mature, grown up women can handle talking about sex and pussy and dicks, you just need to calibrate with the particular woman you're talking to. | /r/seduction | 08/10/12 11:52 PM |
| 12 | Seddit, I have a confession. I keep a set of higher-end liquor bottles that I refill with with $10-a-handle liquor. No one has ever realized the difference. What techniques do you use in the course of seduction that you aren't exactly proud of?Lol. Why aren't you proud of this you conniving bastard! | /r/seduction | 08/10/12 11:48 PM |
| 4 | "You've been hitting on every girl here" - Overdoing it?It isn't mine. I forget where I read it. I've been upvoted, I think because most people had the same realization I did when I first read it: Those times when you ejected because she said some challenging, in your face statement? She didn't challenge you because she wasn't into you, she challenged you because she was afraid she could be! | /r/seduction | 08/10/12 11:45 PM |
| 36 | "You've been hitting on every girl here" - Overdoing it?Shit test are IOI's. | /r/seduction | 08/10/12 07:52 PM |
| 4 | 5 Things Most PUAs won't tell you. . .I wrote this article today because I get pissed at a lot of PUA's pretty easily. Who? Do you know them personally? The seduction community has always been an internet thing. And people getting pissed off at what they read in this online community isn't rare. It's the rule. Here's the rule: If you're pissed off about something, don't write about it. Because when you do, you're trolling. There's no way around trolling if you're writing about something you're angry about. Relax. We don't matter. Th… | /r/seduction | 08/10/12 07:51 PM |
| 1 | Who else believes that "Approach Anxiety" is merely a label that we have created so that those of us, myself included, can say that we "have" something that is preventing us from getting what we want - thus, creating an excuse and a reason for our inexperience?I don't think any of us are looking at it the way you are. It's the feeling we have when we want to approach a woman, and there's this emotional barrier that prevents us from going through with it. It was nice to have a name to call it when I first read the materials in the community. It's not an excuse. And it doesn't go away, it's not a result of inexperience. I think some guys suffer from it more than others, but I've read that even mPUA's experience it even after 1000 approaches. They just m… | /r/seduction | 06/10/12 07:18 PM |
| 2 | Who else believes that "Approach Anxiety" is merely a label that we have created so that those of us, myself included, can say that we "have" something that is preventing us from getting what we want - thus, creating an excuse and a reason for our inexperience?Sigh. I hate how people think that the word for every emotion signifies a mental illness. Everyone experiences anxiety, doesn't mean you're mentally ill. The same is true of depression. I want to take the term "depression" back--depression is normal and healthy. Chronic depression is a mental illness. Get it? | /r/seduction | 06/10/12 04:52 PM |
| 1 | Thinking of online dating for the first time... Hints or suggestions?I did OkCupid for a while, but gave up on it. It might work for certain kinds of guys there. Two tips that might have improved things for me: You need attractive and interesting photos. Most women are shallow, and online dating makes guys look like a buffet. One bad picture will hurt your chances. Also, you need photos of you actually doing something, not just standing around posing for the camera, and no mirror shots. This implies that you do interesting things, and have people around you who t… | /r/seduction | 06/10/12 04:44 PM |
| 1 | I don't want as many women as I can handle. I just want one. Someone I can love and treasure until I die. How many other sedditors are looking for monogamy?For example, some of the tips are oriented towards taking advantage of low self-esteem. Huh? Another one... | /r/seduction | 06/10/12 02:42 PM |
| 17 | [FR]- F-closed x2 with divorcee who previously friendzoned meActually you did. This FR contradicts much of what the PUA community has been claiming. I think the difference is with goals. If you want to be a player, spin plates, and have sex with lots of women on a regular basis, the OP's method isn't going to help. The OP's method is beta to the supreme, and there might be a danger that he's the rebound (what exactly does this mean though...have there ever been rebounds that work?). But it obviously works. We should have a term for this, for non-Mystery s… | /r/seduction | 06/10/12 01:50 PM |
| 10 | I don't want as many women as I can handle. I just want one. Someone I can love and treasure until I die. How many other sedditors are looking for monogamy?Not all of us want to be players. But we want to have game and we want to master pick-up. I don't get how you think only players hit on women. How are non-players supposed to meet women? | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 05:26 PM |
| 2 | If looks don't matter then why does /r/ladyboners exist???No, I know about it. I find it more useful to know what sort of body type women are into. That's why I chose to cut than bulk. Looks do matter. Sorry if I made it sound like they don't. But it's not as important as it is for men. | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 04:39 PM |
| 2 | Got banned from a subreddit for defending /r/seduction. But do they have a point?Yeah, that's the problem. SRS isn't even close to being a safe space. They are mostly white men on SRS, and if you're a minority with non-progressive, non-circle-jerky views you'll be banned as easily as anyone else. It's really a safe space for an ideology. | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 03:58 PM |
| 0 | How to get yourself out of a "funk" quickly?This might sound stupid, but find her flaws and focus on them in your head. You need to level the playing field. | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 03:11 PM |
| 1 | What's the difference between cute and hot and how can it effect your game?I imagine the difference is how masculine or feminine your face is. Hot is on the masculine side of the spectrum, cute is on the feminine side of the spectrum. As to what a specific HB says...it has more to do with her tastes than anything else. | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 03:00 PM |
| 6 | If looks don't matter then why does /r/ladyboners exist???Hah. You're not using your brain. Check out this imgur posted on ladyboners recently: http://imgur.com/877EI Now look again on what is being posted to ladyboners. They are all celebrities or other high status people. No, they're not ugly at all. But it's the combination of good looks plus high status that is getting these women off. Also a lot of women there are really young: teenagers and 20, 21 year olds. I like to think that most women grow out of their celebrity phase. It's very different fr… | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 01:42 PM |
| 8 | Got banned from a subreddit for defending /r/seduction. But do they have a point?Yep. This is an attitude you'll see constantly among a great deal of women, unfortunately. If you're already alpha, then you're normal. If you're beta, and have trouble with women, then there is something wrong with you. Don't buy into that mindset, OP. That whole discussion over there is just idiotic on so many levels...I don't want to spend time on it. There's a good reason why seddit exists. And behold: We're actually decent guys over there! Just don't tell SRS! They don't actually want to kn… | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 01:31 PM |
| 8 | Got banned from a subreddit for defending /r/seduction. But do they have a point?That's a joke, son. Normal people tell edgy jokes that might, possibly, at the wrong moment, offend someone. And SRS doesn't understand humor. They'd call you an idiot, but that would be able-ist. They are politically-correct androids. SRS, and that side of feminism, pretty much represents the feminine attitude that messes guys like us up. If you're already successful with women, then you're great. But if you have to try, if you're a beta, then you're the scum of the earth. It's a self-reinforci… | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 01:26 PM |
| 1 | Being yourself vs Being AlphaThere's a lot of sides to this, let me just tell you one. There's been a lot of discussion about this, and a lot of right answers. "Alpha" itself is characterized in many different ways, and most of the discussions are very speculative. Alpha should just mean that character that men possess that make him attractive to the opposite sex. What exactly is this character? I don't think we really know, not for certain. It's easier to understand what is beta than to understand what is alpha, but alpha … | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 02:54 AM |
| 1 | Online conversation. What did I do right, wrong? Next steps? [xpost r/dating_advice]I'll let this one set and maybe we'll cross paths again in the future where she'll remember the good rapport. Probably the best bet. Looking at what you said, should I let on that I have a girlfriend then? Yep. But don't let on about the "upgrading" or "I don't really like her" stuff. You have a slim chance of instilling some competition anxiety. But really, you need face time. | /r/seduction | 04/10/12 03:22 AM |
| 1 | Online conversation. What did I do right, wrong? Next steps? [xpost r/dating_advice]It's hard to say because there's so much I don't know, and you might not even know. Sounds like she's rejected you before when you worked for the same company. Do you know if she's seeing anyone? There might be a guy in the background here you don't know about. The first post definitely sounded like she might be interested, but then she became very coy. What I would do: First, disqualify her. Be friendly, outgoing, but give the sense that you guys should just be friends, or even that you're seei… | /r/seduction | 03/10/12 04:40 PM |
| 1 | I am Tripp, dating coach & creator of TrippAdvice AMA.Awesome. I had no idea. Just looked up some pictures of him. | /r/seduction | 03/10/12 04:31 PM |
| 1 | I have trouble reconciling "coming off as attractive through expressing disinterest" and "expressing interest honestly"Use the golden ratio: Show interest to her 2/3 as much as she shows interest in you. Keep her between validation and rejection. Also..."expressing interest honestly"...need to know what you mean by that. Something to consider: Give only authentic compliments. No, I don't mean, "Of course she's pretty, so I should call her pretty right?" I mean only give compliments when you have those "wow" moments. She shakes her hair, and you're stunned by her for a moment, go ahead and let yourself say "whoa"… | /r/seduction | 03/10/12 04:10 PM |
| 4 | I'm terrified that I'm not good enough...You're going to think this every time you're rejected, or "feel" you've been rejected, or when you're just down on yourself emotionally. Good looking guys think the same thing, but they are down on themselves about their money, or their sense of humor, or their personality, or their masculinity, or whatever else. The only solution to feeling this way is to go out there and get you some success. Even go for some small successes, to get yourself an abundance mentality and outcome independence. Fin… | /r/seduction | 03/10/12 03:59 PM |
| 1 | Online conversation. What did I do right, wrong? Next steps? [xpost r/dating_advice]What's the time span of these posts? It kind of sounds like she's just trying to network with you. You basically offered to take her out and she ignored you. She also ignored your indirect question "What are you doing on your time off?" Instead she just said to meet up at her work event. Sounds like her interest is professional. | /r/seduction | 03/10/12 03:49 PM |
| 2 | [QuickTip]When initiating kino avoid staring at the point of contact. Play it subtle by being focused elsewhere and let the physical interaction come of as something natural or unforced.Question though: Have you ever done this successfully with a non-kinky girl? It's interesting reading your posts though, I'm starting to get the difference between BSDM guys and the rest of us with pick-up. | /r/seduction | 03/10/12 03:39 PM |
| 1 | I am Tripp, dating coach & creator of TrippAdvice AMA.Your YouTube videa was linked to a while back. Dunno...the medium is the message in that one. You're a good looking guy. Lot of good-looking guys are mPUA's. Makes a lot of sense. Any bald mPUA's out there? | /r/seduction | 03/10/12 04:57 AM |
| 2 | Girl starts to talk about another guy, what do I do in this type of situation?These replies are why I spend time on seddit. Thank you. | /r/seduction | 03/10/12 03:06 AM |
| 1 | The critical importance of favors and how people become the unsuccessful "nice guy".Okay, in you last paragraph, you're all over the map here. Are you talking about with your friends? Since this was /r/seduction, I thought you were talking about with women... Here's a little something about being alpha: You need to learn to expect people doing things for you without any reward in doing so. In fact, they will do things for you, and because you're high value, they consider doing things for you it's own reward, as an honor. You have to learn how to accept gifts, and how to say "th… | /r/seduction | 03/10/12 02:29 AM |
| 1 | Kink (BDSM) and seduction; my first post.Oh yeah, I know that. But I wouldn't call that BDSM though... | /r/seduction | 02/10/12 04:54 PM |
| 3 | The critical importance of favors and how people become the unsuccessful "nice guy".I downvoted this because...you're really all over the map on this one. I disagree at the get-go: Asking someone for a favor means that you put your faith in them to help you, same goes when someone asks you for a favor. If the favor is completed as expected there will be a bond of trust between both people which is important to build a healthy romantic or friendly relationship. You're taking this way too seriously. I can tell exactly why you consider yourself, and actually are, a pushover. Here'… | /r/seduction | 02/10/12 04:28 PM |
| 1 | [Meta] Can we add filters, similar to the [m] and [f] tabs from GW?There's a link in the sidebar to all [FR] posts. | /r/seduction | 02/10/12 04:06 PM |
| 2 | Kink (BDSM) and seduction; my first post.Thing is...as a guy who doesn't get off on dominance, I kind of worry that the BDSM women are the rule. You're making it out like the BDSM women are the weird ones, but look at the success of 50 Shades of Gray. Are there a lot of women out there who are authentically non-kinky? | /r/seduction | 02/10/12 04:04 PM |
| 5 | Bad night... I need to vent.Her boyfriend is beta. You're spot on with the white knight comment. But yeah, don't reply next time. | /r/seduction | 02/10/12 03:54 PM |
| 1 | Adult Sedditors, can we establish some guidelines about what is and isn't shitting where you eat?Yeah. Thing is, a lot of couples do meet at work. There are a lot of flings that happen at work, and they don't all turn out that bad. You'll hear "don't shit where you eat" from guys who are wreckless, too bold with the wrong woman, and then they have to deal with harassment accusations, botched reputations at work, and just a generally uncomfortable work environment. You'll also hear it from awkwardly nerdy guys, whose game just isn't there, and they just beta-tize or omega-tize the fuck out o… | /r/seduction | 02/10/12 03:44 PM |
| 3 | Being yourself... this finally clicked for meYep. Recently I wrote a summary of the difference between alpha and beta, and at least one person liked it: Intransigence, indifference, malice, and cruelty are alpha. Hatred, anger, bitterness and resentment are beta. Okay, so I'm just emphasizing the dark sides of both alpha and beta, to show that one isn't "better" than the other. But the difference, essentially, is that the beta is constantly reactive. Anger is reaction. Hatred is a passion focused on the person who injured you. The differen… | /r/seduction | 02/10/12 03:48 AM |
| 2 | Adult Sedditors, can we establish some guidelines about what is and isn't shitting where you eat?Thanks for posting this, because I just #-closed a girl at work. Trick is: She actually works for a different company, and she isn't really a co-worker. She could get a different patient at any time, and I wouldn't be seeing her again. But in general, I agree with ThrowawayPUA: You start limiting all the women you see or meet on a daily basis, and you're basically pre-rejecting most of the women you'll ever meet. Your message is aimed at adults, and if you're truly an adult (lets say 24 and over… | /r/seduction | 02/10/12 03:03 AM |
| 1 | Line between alpha and assholeIntransigence, indifference, malice, and cruelty are alpha. Hatred, anger, bitterness and resentment are beta. Asshole and alpha overlap. A girl was hanging out with me until all her friends left, and she wanted me to walk her home. You are confusing IOI's with shit tests. If she was worried about her safety, she would have left with her friends. She wanted to be with you. Should have been game on. | /r/seduction | 01/10/12 04:48 PM |
| 1 | Venue selectionPull up Google Maps and take a look at your area. Do a search for "bars near [your city]" and see what's around there. Do the same search for "clubs" "lounges". Scout out the places that you're not that familiar with. You're going to want to check out the venues multiple times (on weekends and on weekdays) to get a feel for how target rich they are. Maybe guys here can give some original ideas, but it's really going to come down to your locale and how far you're willing to drive. The farther awa… | /r/seduction | 30/09/12 07:57 PM |
| 1 | Is it worth making myself be an extrovert, denying myself heaps of food, and putting up with all the bullshit so I can get laid?As it stands I enjoy spending my Friday nights indoors on the internet, reading a novel, or watching a movie. Then don't bother. No one's telling you what to do you know. The main problem is your entire attitude. I really don't think you're going to have success with women anyway. | /r/seduction | 30/09/12 07:37 PM |
| 2 | A perspective on women.Not sure about the whole handbag idea. It sounds good, but really it is the same reason we want to hook up with girls at all that we want to hook up with a hot one. On the other hand, if you're looking to girlfriend someone, it's probably better to find a girl on the plainer side because you want that security in the woman you love and as your companion, and you don't want to deal with the meat market. But I agree with dropping the HB scale. Someone is either an HB or a non-HB. And it really doe… | /r/seduction | 30/09/12 04:45 PM |
| 13 | [FR] The moment you truly stop giving a single fuck about trying to get laid, you have the gravitational pull of 1,000 sunsGod mode is whatever the other guys have, that you don't have. | /r/seduction | 29/09/12 10:15 PM |
| 1 | Seduction in the workplace?In theory you could use your co-workers as your social circle in social circle game. But this is really dependent on your circumstances. I haven't really had any luck with this. Edit: Caveat, I've only been at my current workplace for a year. It might just need more time to establish solid relationships with people. | /r/seduction | 29/09/12 08:50 PM |
| 11 | Seduction in the workplace?My goal is to have fun, to be social, and yeah, I'd like to be the most common answer to the question "if you could be with any guy in the office, who would it be?" In that case, here's what I do: Kino my co-workers, mostly female ones. I'll do it to everyone, whether they are HB's or not. I like to work up to hug-closing HB's at work. Usually just shoulder hugs. When I hug women at work though, they give me tight hugs. This is because I basically use the escalation latter, starting with when we… | /r/seduction | 29/09/12 07:37 PM |
| 1 | AA is nothing. Escalation Anxiety is what needs to be overcome. Here's, IMO, how.One way to think about it is thought your thoughts and logic are always projections of your feelings and emotional state. If you can realize what your thoughts and rationalizations really are in the moment, you will know that they are indicators of your anxiety. Then you just need to overcome your own bullshit. | /r/seduction | 29/09/12 03:45 PM |
| 3 | IAmA writer on S&M, polyamory, sex, relationships, and pickup artists. Also: female. AMAHave you heard of the "manosphere", starting with Heartiste's blog etc? I think you're looking at Mark Manson and postmasculine too much...there a great deal on the Darth Vader end of the spectrum too out there. | /r/seduction | 26/09/12 05:19 PM |
| 5 | Get a Life: A How-to GuideExactly. They have to pay hot girls to show up there. | /r/seduction | 25/09/12 04:46 PM |
| 1 | Get a Life: A How-to GuideI agree. I was a recluse, and working on "inner game" isn't going to help me. Inner game is manifestation of outer game and vice-versa, IMHO. | /r/seduction | 25/09/12 04:46 PM |
| 1 | Get a Life: A How-to GuideWhat if talking to girls and loving the challenge of cold approach and walking around the city is a hobby in itself? It seems that then you would be making women too much of a priority. All the seduction advice I've seen has emphasized pretty strongly that you need to have something else, a career, a passion, a mission, that gives your life meaning. If you don't have that, women generally consider that "being a loser". Even if you fake it, you need more game to compensate because otherwise the s… | /r/seduction | 25/09/12 04:44 PM |
| 3 | Get a Life: A How-to GuideWhenever you go out alone, there’s always that fear. What if people see me there without anyone, will I look like a loser? Yep. I basically tell myself that I'm even more of a loser if I spend all my free time at home. Also, it helps to find places that are away from people you know and meet regularly: Classmates, co-workers, family members. You're better off going to places where the potential of meeting someone new and fun exceeds the potential of turning off someone familiar. So I go to one t… | /r/seduction | 25/09/12 04:35 PM |
| 2 | Girl stops replying when I suggest hanging out?It's a Mystery Method thing. He talks about "SR value" which means "survival and reproduction". The idea is that we are all attracted to SR value, where men are higher in survival value and women are higher in reproductive value, and that's why the sexes are attracted to each other. | /r/seduction | 24/09/12 07:05 PM |
| 1 | Where to meet women/people in general?Instead of "introvert" try the term "recluse". I'm very similar to you, and I'm working on kicking the recluse habit. You just got to force yourself to go out and have a good time. | /r/seduction | 24/09/12 06:20 PM |
| 2 | [FR] Out alone. Take lead.I agree. And I can completely relate to the internal feeling of tension/agitation that you wrote about in the OP. I basically feel that after a couple of days of nofap. Note, I'm not aiming to never fap again, but I'm following the advice of Mark Manson about doing a fap diet: Basically, no porn, fap only once a week, and only by imagining women you actually know...not fantasy girls. Little known fact: Losing weight also causes your testosterone to rise up. I'm on a diet, and I generally feel th… | /r/seduction | 24/09/12 06:15 PM |
| 0 | Trapped in negative thoughts, sex problems, unconnected with my masculinity. This guy needs help.This IS the subreddit for people overcoming their insecurities. It's what this subreddit is turning into. This is a loss, not a triumph. | /r/seduction | 23/09/12 02:47 AM |
| -6 | Trapped in negative thoughts, sex problems, unconnected with my masculinity. This guy needs help.No offense to you, OP, but can we have less of these kinds of posts on seddit? People come here because they are going out, looking to approach women. So these people come here and see posts like this...it kind of kills the positive vibe. There should be a separate subreddit for people trying to overcome their insecurities. The answer is that you don't overcome your insecurities, you just forget about them. OP, you're just in a shitty place right now. Happens to a lot of people, even people who … | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 04:44 PM |
| 3 | I'm at a crossroads with my pick-up. Been studying PUAs, practicing, going out more for 8 months now. Could really use some advice.I am in communication with a number of women. Texting 2 girls I work with. 1 "friend" I met in a bar . 3 women on OKcupid. 1 ex girlfriend who I am still "friends" with. I'm not a master PUA, but you have two girls from work and three girls from OKCupid. If I was to guess, I would say that AA is bogging you down. What is the quality/quantity of your real life approaches outside of work? Personally, I don't try to have sex with girls at work. But you have the advantage at work where you really ge… | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 05:07 PM |
| 3 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?If you're serious, here's the best test I know: Have her text you. The girls who just can't spell, and whose letters are all over the place, are generally dumb as a rock. I'm not talking about grammar and punctuation. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 04:45 PM |
| 1 | What the other side knows (Comment thread from 2XChromosomes)...As opposed to believing that the rejection is transcendent. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 04:36 PM |
| 3 | What the other side knows (Comment thread from 2XChromosomes)...Calling a woman a slut isn't negging. That's what I call "bitching out". In other words, the guy has no self confidence and shitty inner game, believes that rejection is immanent, and thus decides to call her a slut to protect his ego. The method on how to do this is in Mystery Method, page 76, paragraph 4. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 06:37 AM |
| 5 | How do I respond to "You should go get some!" or "You don't look like you get laid"My instinctive response would be, in a conspiratorial tone, "Exactly. Tell everyone you know." | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 12:49 AM |
| 3 | Do you visit certain venues on a regular basis (bars, clubs, day game)? Or do you just sarge as opportunities come up (concerts, parties)? Asking especially for the post-college crowd here.This sounds good in theory, but it just gets weird in practice. Ever try sarging Wal-Mart? Honestly, the only times I actually do this is when I'm going to Wal-Mart for stuff anyway, and even then it still feels weird. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 12:46 AM |
| 1 | Do you visit certain venues on a regular basis (bars, clubs, day game)? Or do you just sarge as opportunities come up (concerts, parties)? Asking especially for the post-college crowd here.Thanks. I'm just trying to up my game, and I'm critiquing myself, trying to remove all the obstacles I'm setting for myself. One thing I need to do is kick the recluse habit. Yes, in the long run, you want to just live your life and meet women whenever you go out through your exciting lifestyle. But if try to just do it when the opportunity arises, chances are that you won't do it. Yep. That was exactly what I was trying to do. And I have the problem you're saying. I thought, "Oh, I'll just appr… | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 12:44 AM |
| 2 | Do you visit certain venues on a regular basis (bars, clubs, day game)? Or do you just sarge as opportunities come up (concerts, parties)? Asking especially for the post-college crowd here.Now I need to figure out when happy hour is. | /r/seduction | 20/09/12 03:21 PM |
| 3 | Do you visit certain venues on a regular basis (bars, clubs, day game)? Or do you just sarge as opportunities come up (concerts, parties)? Asking especially for the post-college crowd here.Just because your out of college doesn't mean you can't have a social life, you just have to try harder. I know. That's what I'm doing. I'm not blaming being out of college, I've always been this way. | /r/seduction | 20/09/12 03:03 PM |
| 1 | I've stopped approaching, and things have been going great.There's no contradiction. You can approach women, and still have women approach you. Personally, pick-up is a skill that I think is important for me to learn and become confident in. That's 80% of the reason why I'm doing this. Plus, it gives you the opportunity to be able to pick and choose which women you want to go for. | /r/seduction | 18/09/12 05:25 PM |
| 1 | I've stopped approaching, and things have been going great.I think that approaching is something that comes naturally the more you do. People talk about confidence, and the more often you approach women, and as long as those approaches don't go horribly, you'll become confident at approaching. This is a good skill to have, in my opinion. | /r/seduction | 18/09/12 05:19 PM |
| 5 | Seddit, we need to talkYeah, I agree with your last point. There's this bad association where outer game = manipulation. It's not, or at least not in a bad way. Here's a better association: Outer game = You know what you're doing when seducing a girl. You're (at least) one step ahead of her during the entire process. You know she likes you before she does. | /r/seduction | 18/09/12 05:10 PM |
| 0 | Is there any type of "facebook game"?Treat it as an IOI. But don't game on Facebook. | /r/seduction | 17/09/12 11:24 PM |
| 2 | How do you use wealth/success to better attract women?Just speculating, because I'm poor, but two thoughts: Try using two levels of indirection. Don't say that you are wealthy or successful, and don't indirectly refer to you being wealthy or successful. But two levels of indirection seems like a sweet spot in general: For instance, talk about your hobbies. Yes, she'll eventually put it together that you have hobbies that people like me can't have. But say it like, "Last weekend I went jet skiing with some friends of mine. We wanted to get some lake… | /r/seduction | 17/09/12 10:12 PM |
| -1 | How do you use wealth/success to better attract women?Why are you here if you don't read any of the material? | /r/seduction | 17/09/12 09:55 PM |
| 3 | [FR] Rejected 5 times in one night, terrible first college party experienceI'll stop giving advice on this subreddit and just lurk. Still want to hear from you if you feel you have something useful to say. There are more women here than you think :) | /r/seduction | 17/09/12 09:50 PM |
| 3 | [FR] Rejected 5 times in one night, terrible first college party experienceDon't we know better than you how to pick us up? Nope. One of the biggest fallacy there is. It's actually a set of fallacies all bundled up in one. First, at best, you only know about you, and not about what works on women in general. Women aren't all alike, and those differences matter. Second, just because you're a woman doesn't mean that you have a critical mind in giving advice. Lets say a guy picks you up successfully, and you liked X, Y, and Z and this is why you went out with him. But it … | /r/seduction | 17/09/12 12:40 PM |
| 10 | Step by Step ApproachHere's something I learned from Mark Manson: You can't be afraid to polarize women. I agree that your post sounds too deferential. By polarize, Mark means that if she likes you, then she's really going to want you to sit with her. If she doesn't like you, then she's really going to not want you to sit with her. So stop being afraid. You're trying to avoid that risk, but it is exactly that risk which women find the most attractive in guys. You need to be willing to put yourself out there. She's j… | /r/seduction | 17/09/12 05:13 AM |
| 1 | What makes you awesome?I'm philosophical, serene, and profound. Experience has taught me when to talk and when to be silent. I'm always observant and know more than I let on. I'm quiet and reserved. I don't give away my secrets too readily. When I speak, people should listen, otherwise I shut my mouth. I'm intently honest with myself, and I always know where I stand. People never stir me. I've been studying logic for at least ten years now. I don't fall prey to scams. I avoid politics for the same reason. I'm not afra… | /r/seduction | 16/09/12 09:24 PM |
| 21 | [FR] Rejected 5 times in one night, terrible first college party experienceThis is the right reply guys. OP didn't specify the number of approaches he did, but he should consider each one of them mileage well-traveled. OP, seriously, ignore all the replies analyzing and dissecting your FR as if you did X, and Y, and Z wrong. It's impossible to say that you did anything wrong, and absolutely certain to say what you did right: Approach. The main thing: Don't take this as defeat. Rejections always suck, but it's hard to say that many of them were actually rejections. Appr… | /r/seduction | 16/09/12 09:00 PM |
| 2 | [FR] Rejected 5 times in one night, terrible first college party experienceWe don't usually take advice from women, but listen to her OP. Just because she's overweight, especially at the freshmen level, doesn't mean that she thinks her value is low. If she's an HB at all, and obviously she is, she's going to have all kinds of guys hitting on her, especially in a college environment. Don't worry... you'll figure it out eventually when the girl you think you surely have a chance with busts your balls when she smells a trace of arrogance in you. We're all about being high… | /r/seduction | 16/09/12 08:11 PM |
| 1 | If you could make a mental checklist while talking to a girl, what would it consist of?I think should depend on where your weaknesses are. Personally, I'm working on amused mastery and outcome independence. | /r/seduction | 16/09/12 05:20 PM |
| 1 | “Women are people, not puzzle boxes.”To make sure we don't end up getting used. No. Shit tests are to ensure that the guy she's dating is as masculine, high value, or as attractive as she thinks he is. You sound like the old way of thinking where women don't enjoy sex, and only men do, and therefore men are constantly trying to trick women into having sex. If you both want to have sex, then no one is getting used. | /r/seduction | 16/09/12 12:34 AM |
| 0 | “Women are people, not puzzle boxes.”The puzzle box mentality is because women, largely, are a puzzle box. The same women who are complaining about players are the women who are dating nothing but players. The same women who tell guys to be their true selves are the women sleeping with sociopaths. Women don't complain about nice guys, because women ignore nice guys, or invent lies like that nice guys think they are "entitled to sex". Women complain about assholes because these are the guys that women have the most intimate experien… | /r/seduction | 16/09/12 12:28 AM |
| 1 | It seems to me that a lot of guys around me that are getting attention from girls do not smile very often. I've also noticed that guys seem to act more beta around guys that smile less. What's /r/seduction's opinion on smiling, and looking like you're having fun vs 'tough guy' macho guy look?Eh...I think smiling is very contextual. But in body language terms, smiling communicates submission. You smile when you want to open up to somebody, you want to let them in. | /r/seduction | 15/09/12 05:15 PM |
| 1 | The Big Compliance Test ListYep. Thought the same thing. | /r/seduction | 15/09/12 04:30 PM |
| 1 | Women shit too.I just can't be that machoistic jerk who always hits on women. Don't need to be. Honestly, being the guy who is always hitting on every woman you know is an indicator of scarcity mindset. That said, you should be comfortable hitting on women. I can never tell if they are interested or not. You usually can't tell by just observing. Think of it like a science experiment. You can't determine what a substance is made of by just looking at it. You have to perform experiments on it. The experiment in … | /r/seduction | 15/09/12 03:50 PM |
| 1 | Women shit too.Ok, so you got me. The answer to that question is zero. Yep. I could tell. From what I've gathered from this subreddit, I thought it was more about being a more genuine and confident person first, then work on interacting with women. That's what people think, but actually look around, and this has never actually been stated. The emphasis has always been on approaching, getting out there, and doing stuff. What exactly are you getting confident at? If you're spending all your free time at home, th… | /r/seduction | 15/09/12 03:36 PM |
| 1 | Women shit too.Alright, be honest about the following question: How many approaches have you done in the last...lets say...month. If there are too many to count/remember, then tell me how many in the last week. | /r/seduction | 14/09/12 04:24 PM |
| 2 | Women shit too.The key to this story is that she already had sex with him. I think generally guys are more anxious prior to sex; girls are more anxious after sex. That's why I admire the advice I've heard here: If you want to get into a relationship with a woman, go for having sex with her first. To put it crudely, this is when the "balance of power" changes between male and female. | /r/seduction | 14/09/12 02:10 PM |
| 1 | Hey guys serious question - how do I become more masculine?I'm going to name one that you guys will probably miss: Being willing to take risks to get what you want. If you want to understand what women mean by a guy being boring, a general lack of risk-taking, of always playing it safe, is pretty much the definition. This is why drug dealers generally have an easier time with women. Warning: Risk-taking is risky. You might end up broke, in jail, etc. | /r/seduction | 14/09/12 02:01 PM |
| 8 | How old is everyone here?30 | /r/seduction | 14/09/12 01:55 PM |
| 1 | "The Good Guy Myth" -- I'm curious: what does Seddit think of this article?Desire is not a choice. This whole idea of negotiated desire is the basic fallacy of the article. It's pretty much useless from a seduction point of view. Read here: http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/08/25/the-desire-dynamic/ | /r/seduction | 14/09/12 01:11 AM |
| 6 | This is why you should say hi. Incredible short film.I think this sub is for people that realize that or learn right away, and want to know how to not fuck it up after they say hi. Yeah. But if you're approaching all the time, there's almost no way your game isn't improving somewhat just by approaching alone. Conversely, if you're never approaching, all the reading of seddit and game principles will not improve your game. Your game may even become worse. Seddit is 90% approaching. The last 10% is just trying to improve your game through self-analy… | /r/seduction | 13/09/12 04:11 PM |
| 2 | Seddit, What is one invaluable piece of knowledge have you picked up in the last year - That you think everyone here should know?Yep. And I'm in the former category. | /r/seduction | 13/09/12 03:02 AM |
| 1 | The line between arrogant and confidentThanks for this. I don't understand the bit about "mommy issues" though. What does that have to do with being a serial killer? | /r/seduction | 13/09/12 03:01 AM |
| 1 | Seddit, What is one invaluable piece of knowledge have you picked up in the last year - That you think everyone here should know?Yeah. I think the biggest win for me, though I'll probably always be a beta, is that I know the difference between a woman being interested in you and a woman lusting for you. If I don't manage to inspire the latter, I'll just spend my life alone. I don't want to be in that situation. | /r/seduction | 12/09/12 03:53 AM |
| 5 | Reminder: seddit can't help you win THE Girlseddit, and pua in general, is strategic, not tactical. Our methods are general, not specific. Awesome way of putting this. | /r/seduction | 12/09/12 03:44 AM |
| 1 | The line between arrogant and confidentBut underneath, she knows that it isn't true and that makes you more attractive. I think that's the difference. I think some of the guys on seddit were trying to explain how to do self-deprecating humor, but I was having a hard time figuring out what it was. But it's basically just another form of cocky-funny. "How many girls have you slept with?" "Oh, I'm a virgin. What do boobs feel like?" That sort of thing. My self-deprecating humor was/is not like that. It's literally me making fun of mysel… | /r/seduction | 12/09/12 03:40 AM |
| 86 | Seddit, What is one invaluable piece of knowledge have you picked up in the last year - That you think everyone here should know?The fallacy of female attraction This is the general idea, and I didn't just learn it there, but all over the place in the seduction community, but this is a pretty concise view of it. What women want in a guy is by no means the same as what she desires in a guy. Women are constantly trying to convince themselves about the sort of guy she wants to be with, and that's usually the advice they give, but often fall for a very different sort of guy. I think the key is that women are attracted in two … | /r/seduction | 11/09/12 12:37 AM |
| 11 | Inner game is all about falling in love with yourself.But, your original post did not come even close to making this point. The word "confidence" isn't even in the OP. That was something that you injected into the discussion, which is why I thought you were trolling. I just groan everytime I see someone talk about "inner game" on seddit. People are trying to make it broader and more general, and like I said, I think it loses it's grip on reality. People (should) come here for practical advice. Should people love themselves? Sure, to a point. But th… | /r/seduction | 11/09/12 12:22 AM |
| 2 | Inner game is all about falling in love with yourself.it's implied in your post when you say that innergame is only related to the field. How the... How does "inner game is only related to the field" imply that "confidence doesn't help you in the field"? Oh! You think confidence is the same as loving yourself. Sorry. No. But, if someone "loves themself" they will naturally DHV. Due to the fact that they have confidence in who they are. Love isn't the same thing as confidence! Confidence can be shown when you're taking a test, or playing a game of p… | /r/seduction | 10/09/12 11:56 PM |
| -1 | Inner game is all about falling in love with yourself.So confidence doesn't help you in the field? Where did I say that? Nevermind, you are trolling me. | /r/seduction | 10/09/12 11:37 PM |
| -2 | Inner game is all about falling in love with yourself.Inner game, whatever it is, must necessarily be something that helps you in the field with women. Otherwise, it's not inner game. There's no reason to think that this post, or many of the other theories that people post, would actually help. I believe that this subreddit is basically losing it's grip with reality. | /r/seduction | 10/09/12 11:15 PM |
| -8 | Inner game is all about falling in love with yourself.This isn't inner game. Here: Take a picture of the hottest girl you know. Look her up on Facebook and find a particularly compelling picture of her, one that shows lots of skin and gives you a profile view. At the same time, imagine her the last time you saw her in real life. Imagine her curves, her impish smile, and her doe eyes. Now take your dick out and start masturbating to her. Because this is as much good as all this "love yourself" crap is going to do for you. Real inner game is about al… | /r/seduction | 10/09/12 10:59 PM |
| 1 | The line between arrogant and confidentSelf-depreciation is basically DLV, you lose attraction. Even if you make her laugh, even if you make everyone laugh, you lose attraction points. | /r/seduction | 10/09/12 10:50 PM |
| 8 | The line between arrogant and confidentI think the difference is that arrogant means you're placing more value on yourself than you actually have. Cocky means you actually do have high value, and you're not afraid of throwing it in people's faces. You're probably making the same mistake I do: We make a game out of talking ourselves up, but since everyone knows we're not really as high value as we say we are, it actually ends up being just another form of self-depreciation. | /r/seduction | 10/09/12 09:07 PM |
| 2 | I fucked up, basically. Not gonna lie, it hurts to get rejected. How do you deal with it?This is a really interesting comment. On the surface, it's obviously false. Many guys are rejected. They just weren't good enough for her. But...first, isn't accepted/rejected a framing? It's actually asinine that your worth as a partner can be determined so immediately. Women often judge wrongly. To be a man, you really need to be a good judge of your own value, many of us undervalue ourselves. I know I used to. Not any more. Second, how you react to a rejection, that's almost the best comprehe… | /r/seduction | 10/09/12 03:01 AM |
| 26 | Advice from a friend - For those who are attracted to girls who are attracted to youAre you a woman? | /r/seduction | 09/09/12 03:27 AM |
| 10 | Adding her on Facebook?Indicator that OP is infatuated with this girl: He measures HB's to one decimal place. | /r/seduction | 07/09/12 05:24 PM |
| 2 | Why do girls not initiate back with me?After you have sex with the girl a couple times, she will initiate with you and you can assume the 'chased' role easily. So simply, escalate to sex earlier. This is a great point. You know those buddies of yours who you think women are initiating with more? They are probably women that he has already slept with. | /r/seduction | 07/09/12 04:25 AM |
| 5 | My AdviceYou're right. The OP misused the term "outer game". Other than that, I agree with the OP. Looks matter a hell of a lot, just not as much as most guys think, but more than the inner game and moar confidence gurus think. But what matters even more than looks is social status, especially for older guys, and that's a life long process. There are a number of fundamentals that seddit has the bad habit of overlooking. | /r/seduction | 06/09/12 02:25 AM |
| 1 | What's wrong with dinner?My main two problems with it is: I've never heard of a woman saying she had "that special moment" while having dinner with a guy. Dinner is just very static and boring. You put yourself in a position where you are trying to entertain her through conversation, and that's a hard rut to get out of. But the most fundamental thing is: Is going to dinner something you want to do, in and of itself? Or are you taking her to dinner because you want to impress her or because it's tradition? Is it somethin… | /r/seduction | 05/09/12 05:12 PM |
| 2 | Which one is an IOI?Honestly, it's hard to tell. You need to read the situation and body language as a whole. Also, you need to understand this about IOI's: They're just "indicators". You can't prove that's she's actually interested in you, because there is so much variation between women. Actually, I think I need to refer back to Mystery Method for a bit, because he uses IOI's not to determine which girls are interested (always assume attraction), but as a way of generating attraction and seduction. You both look … | /r/seduction | 05/09/12 05:05 PM |
| 1 | how many women read seddit?Something I've been thinking about lately. I think there are guys here who are interested in being players, and other guys who aren't interested in that. I think seddit suits both kinds, but a lot of women/white knights assume we're all players. | /r/seduction | 05/09/12 04:56 PM |
| 2 | how many women read seddit?Yeah, I kind of agree. That's what I thought the word meant pre-seddit. I think it's interesting...maybe historically, this is a consequence of the sexual marketplace turning on it's head. At one time, maybe women had to be the seducers...now it's the men. | /r/seduction | 05/09/12 04:54 PM |
| 3 | My problem with SedditThinking about it, identity is probably the biggest limiting belief we have to overcome. You trap yourself into who you are than who you will become. | /r/seduction | 05/09/12 04:47 PM |
| 5 | My problem with SedditDude. I'm an introvert. You don't understand introversion. Yet I can start conversations with strangers no problem, as long as they aren't awkward about it. But I still have the problem that, if I'm not careful, I could spend all day at home if I don't push myself to get out there, make a routine that puts me out there, meeting people, inviting people to things. | /r/seduction | 05/09/12 04:45 PM |
| 7 | Girls are so silly (and predictable)That's not DHV. You're just keeping your investment lower than hers. Good. The main thing I see is that she's going on about her phone. Honestly, I read the exchange like three times, and I can't even remember what was wrong with her phone. It's just boring. Why is she telling you this? Why should you care? You shouldn't. Good job ignoring all that. | /r/seduction | 04/09/12 06:36 PM |
| 0 | Girls are so silly (and predictable)I'd avoid smileys. The smileys in your texts were unnecessary, and just served to reduce sexual tension / make you look beta/feminine. You convey being jovial without the smileys. | /r/seduction | 04/09/12 06:33 PM |
| 1 | Girls are so silly (and predictable)I reserve LOL's for one thing: When I'm being cruel/teasing. Main thing when I'm texting I try to avoid sounding like her girlfriend. For example: Me: I would totally give you a broken tv Her: No i got cable .. so it should work.. right? Me: Lol Her: LOL!!!!!! Thanks for looking. Out for me. My friends.. lol Not actually gaming her except in a social circle sense. | /r/seduction | 04/09/12 06:23 PM |
| 3 | Being Alpha without coming across as such a douchebag?What I mean to say is, is there a branch of seduction more based on getting women to like you in the long-term, as opposed to hook-up wise? Check out Mark Manson's book Models: Attract Women Through Honesty. | /r/seduction | 04/09/12 03:16 AM |
| 2 | You CANNOT "seduce" via TEXT!!!And besides that, I'm not living in her world, I'm inviting her into mine, and in my world, we talk. I've speculated that since a lot of girls text mostly with their girlfriends, when you start texting her much this girlfriend vibe kind of rubs off on you. You don't want to be her girlfriend. | /r/seduction | 03/09/12 10:50 PM |
| 1 | Do muscles matter?The psychology is bullshit (coughHeartistecough), but as a mere description of a man's body type, it's not bad to speak in these terms. | /r/seduction | 03/09/12 10:13 AM |
| 25 | Do muscles matter?Interesting video from Roosh. My comments: I think a lot of guys are coming at this from the perspective of being skinny/ectomorph, and if this is you I'd follow Roosh's advice. Roosh himself seems like an ectomorph who has put some muscle on, and it seems like a good look. Basically, all of your gains turns into definition. Situps turn into visible abs. But don't make the mistake I made. If you're heavier set: endomorph or fatty mesomorph (me), you should concentrate on losing the fat first. Yo… | /r/seduction | 02/09/12 08:34 PM |
| 2 | I just spent an hour defending direct game to a buddy of mine. He raised a few points that I want seddit's input on.His exact words: "if I was to approach a girl I would probably just go and make fun of her." Why do it like that? Makes no sense to me really. Nothing wrong with that, as long as you're just teasing her. I guess the question is if you want to do the cold approach/PUA kind of game or not, if your goal is to have sex with as many HB's in as short of time as possible. That is, if you want to be a player or not. From a player point of view, indirect game probably does "work" better, because you're g… | /r/seduction | 02/09/12 08:02 PM |
| 3 | I just spent an hour defending direct game to a buddy of mine. He raised a few points that I want seddit's input on."Hey, I wanted to steal you away from your friends for a minute so I could tell you that I think you look really great and that I would be kicking myself if I didn't come at least say hi!" The interesting thing is that you're (naturally) giving the reason why you're approaching her: because you're attracted to her. This makes sense. But does this have to be in the form of an explicit compliment? You could tone it down and say something like "Hi, you caught my eye, and I didn't want to pass up ge… | /r/seduction | 02/09/12 05:30 PM |
| 3 | I got a girl's number on the bus and I asked her out a few days later. I got rejected, but it was such a nice rejection and the whole experience boosted my confidence a bit. For anyone who fears rejection and for any women who's unsure about how to reject a guy, this is the way it should go down:Hmm...what happens if you're each other's rebounds? | /r/seduction | 02/09/12 05:05 PM |
| 1 | Was I Being a Creeper? [FR]Here's a hint: Girls do that all the time, but they're never called out on it. Internet rules don't apply. | /r/seduction | 02/09/12 05:02 PM |
| 1 | Was I Being a Creeper? [FR]You're worried because of the latest /r/bestof post, aren't you? You're fine. You did the right thing because you're feeling the situation out. Those IOI's sound legit, she is almost certainly interested in you. That's the thing, don't let some guy being called out online for being a creep give you the idea that there are certain laws written into stone, otherwise you're a creep. Doesn't work that way. You're a savvy guy, you won't have his problem. Always remember that. | /r/seduction | 02/09/12 12:36 AM |
| 24 | Has anyone here tried gaming for the first time and found out that they were fucking amazing at it?It's starting to replace shaking hands here. | /r/seduction | 01/09/12 09:40 PM |
| 1 | What are the motives behind girls going out?It's always a shit test. The only question is whether it's a shit test for the guys approaching her, or a shit test for the guy at home. | /r/seduction | 01/09/12 01:53 PM |
| 3 | I am such a beta, that I'm beginning to hate my life. (If it's too long, just read the bold print for the story.)The answer to this is obvious. Just start approaching women. Get used to approaching women, and suddenly knowing "the right thing to say" becomes effortless. You're beta because you're posting about seeing a woman at work. You work at a restaurant, you see women all the time, you are serving them. All of the "I saw a girl on the bus" "There's this girl in class" "A customer came up to me" etc is the same thing: You're expecting hot women to come into your world, rather than you going into a woma… | /r/seduction | 01/09/12 01:44 PM |
| 3 | Im a noob, made first 5 aproaches today. Better than expected!I really dont like to follow instructions... IMO, good attitude for this sort of thing. Best method is to just go out there, get some experience, and then start reading material to analyze what's going on. Wash, rinse, repeat. | /r/seduction | 01/09/12 05:52 AM |
| 0 | I wish I took the blue pillFrankly, if you haven't "taken the red pill", you shouldn't be on this subreddit. There are plenty of places on reddit, and outside of reddit, that will reinforce your worldview, like /r/dating_advice . | /r/seduction | 31/08/12 02:30 PM |
| 1 | I wish I took the blue pillNot me...never once. The whole point of The Matrix was that, before he took the red pill, he knew something was wrong, he just didn't know what. Something was simply bugging him, deep down, about the way he thought the world was. Before the red pill, I had that problem, and so did all of you. Now I get it. Attraction isn't a choice. Being attractive has nothing to do with being a good person. White knights are delusional betas. Closure. | /r/seduction | 31/08/12 02:25 PM |
| 2 | Stuff I wish I knew when a was a freshman: My college mini tip-list (Also applicable in many other scenarios).But you're also correct in that you potentially subconsciously convey the fact that she has your undivided attention. No bueno. Look at it in terms of push/pull, try to keep a balance. Complements are a pull, so balance this with a push in your body language. Kino is a pull, to balance this with a push by teasing her. I've gone up to a HB, give her a shoulder hug and told her "You shouldn't be pouring the bottle on work nights." You can push with kino too...I've done the face grab with success, … | /r/seduction | 30/08/12 04:57 PM |
| 2 | [FR] Proximity as IOI - Number closeOkay. But did you actually care about any of the "about her" stuff you were talking? From your post imo you never sound like you were talking about her. Sure, but I think her broken English made talking to her hard. She didn't really understand a lot of what I was saying, and maybe I have the habit of trying to cut the phone conversation off early before she grows bored. But I take you're saying that I should have tried harder to establish rapport. Okay but honestly, how could there be any "inte… | /r/seduction | 30/08/12 04:48 PM |
| 2 | [FR] Proximity as IOI - Number closeIt's a good story, but it's sort of apparent you know nothing about her//what she's doing, like you haven't even considered that you might want to know that. I really don't know where you're coming from. Most of my time spent talking to her was about her, and I tried to relate to that because I'm also a nursing student. She never did ask about me, mind you. I just think either the interest wasn't there or she's too anxious to express it. I just don't know if you're trying to give advice or call … | /r/seduction | 30/08/12 02:30 PM |
| 1 | They can't take me seriously...Yeah...need to learn the term discretion. It's a major PUA concept. Actually, thinking about this, there are few things I should be doing in my game... | /r/seduction | 30/08/12 05:05 AM |
| 2 | How old are you? (basic question)How old are you guys? 30 Also did you realize that the older you got, the more successful you were with women? Sort of, as long as your value increases with time. At your age, time spent working on yourself will pay off enormously in a couple of years. The old "Ignore women; Acquire currency" has some truth to it, only replace "currency" with "social status" and even figuring yourself out, and doing awesome things with your life. Work on your DHV stories now by living them. | /r/seduction | 30/08/12 04:51 AM |
| 2 | [short FR] Community College game - Goal is to make friends first but most people seem unfriendlyGoing to community college sucks when it comes to meeting people, as most people just want to get there, take their classes, and get the fuck out. Agreed. I'm going to CC too but as an older student, and I'm actually doing the opposite of what the OP is doing. Don't look like you're trying to build your social life at community college. People are there primarily to try to get through their classes, that's why clubs are scarce and near non-existent at CC. Personally, I haven't even looked at sch… | /r/seduction | 30/08/12 03:48 AM |
| 1 | You should rename this subreddit to /r/shitpickupguideI can't believe there is an entire subreddit dedicated to this. There's a subreddit for people who don't masturbate, why not this? | /r/seduction | 30/08/12 03:03 AM |
| 3 | Seddit, I realized something crucial today, I am not funny.If you have a dorky sense of humor like me, just add two drops of cruelty. | /r/seduction | 30/08/12 03:00 AM |
| 2 | Why Girls Flake - I asked a Friend, Here's her ResponseThat's the thing, value is often different for guys and girls. By women, you're pretty much just talking about HB's. I can tell...the non-HB's don't actually have this mindset. They aren't getting guys asking for their numbers all the time. But if you're some sort of celebrity, for example, guys will have the same mentality. But you're deriving your data from the guys you know...who probably aren't high value. HB's have value just from being attractive. Non-HB's pretty much have the same mentali… | /r/seduction | 29/08/12 04:38 PM |
| 11 | Holy crap, I just had a realization. This information can work (with modification) in all sorts of different other places.Yep, pretty much. What I love about seddit (or at least seddit before the white knight invasion) is that it was based on the way the world actually is, not on the way guys think the world should be. Looking at the world in terms of how you think it should be makes it paradoxical. For instance, why would doing more for the company you work for actually cause you to lose their respect? Why doesn't your boss value your ideas after they have been found to be successful? Here's a subtle tip: If you e… | /r/seduction | 29/08/12 03:32 AM |
| 2 | Why Girls Flake - I asked a Friend, Here's her ResponseThis isn't the mind of a woman. This is the mind of anyone who is of relatively high value. It's one of many adaptations of being the object of other people's interest/desires. We really need to stop gendering things, it makes us blind to the way things really are. | /r/seduction | 29/08/12 03:06 AM |
| 1 | Why Girls Flake - I asked a Friend, Here's her ResponseThought the same thing. There should be levels of AFC. There aren't just AFC's and non-AFC's...there are grades of being. | /r/seduction | 29/08/12 03:02 AM |
| 1 | You can/can't win!Never did explain how you became the bad boy. I have a theory, based on the words of a female friend of mine who recently became infatuated with a guy. Become a guy who fundamentally doesn't like people. Isn't that the opposite of the "nice guy"? Not really an asshole, an asshole is judged by his actions. But all of the archetypes that women are attracted to, from the bad boy to the misanthropic intellectual (some girl on /r/dating_advice mentioned this as her "type") to the girls who dig guys i… | /r/seduction | 28/08/12 03:40 AM |
| 2 | Stop seeking her approval, and you will notice a drastic change in how women will relate to you.Eh, I think guys are pointing at the wrong thing. Feminism produces more problems for women than men. The problem isn't feminism, but female-dominated media, which has streaks of feminism, but usually diverges considerably from the interests of feminism. | /r/seduction | 27/08/12 01:00 PM |
| 1 | Stop seeking her approval, and you will notice a drastic change in how women will relate to you.So if, by this reasoning, all our ancestors were alphas, why are there so many (myself included, unfortunately) betas being spewed forth with absolutely zero idea how to do this stuff. It's because being alpha is a relative thing. Yeah, I read the Red Queen book, it's great, and the whole point of the title is the idea that you have to go as fast as you can to stay in one place. That's what being alpha really means. We're beta only because the competition has improved a bit more than we have. | /r/seduction | 27/08/12 02:54 AM |
| 2 | Stop seeking her approval, and you will notice a drastic change in how women will relate to you.duh :) | /r/seduction | 26/08/12 05:28 PM |
| 0 | Stop seeking her approval, and you will notice a drastic change in how women will relate to you.how do you actually not seek her approval when talking to them? indirect openers | /r/seduction | 26/08/12 05:16 PM |
| 204 | Stop seeking her approval, and you will notice a drastic change in how women will relate to you.I had a discussion with a female friend of mine last night, who was also reading seddit etc. She shared your opinion about games. I guess the way I see it is that this stuff is really just a way of trying to break free from the failure cycle that many of us are on. Many are bitter about this, but we live in a world success breeds success, and failure breeds failure, and this is true with women as well. The guys on the success cycle don't need any of this, they don't need "game". These are just t… | /r/seduction | 26/08/12 05:07 PM |
| 0 | Stop seeking her approval, and you will notice a drastic change in how women will relate to you.What do you mean when you say you were seeing her for the last few months before your birthday? Were you dating her, making out, having sex, etc? Or was she just a kind of a friend that you knew in high school? So I kind of disagree with your optimism with: I guarantee that she would cancel whatever dance class she had on my actual birthday and we'd have a blast. Well, you're probably right, but not in the sense that you're thinking it. You're just prolonging the period of time before you are up… | /r/seduction | 26/08/12 04:51 PM |
| 3 | How to deal with the "This isn't a date" shit testDoesn't sound like a shit test. This sounds like a really circumstantial statement. Is the circumstances seem date-like, then it's a date. If the circumstances don't seem date-like, then it's not a date. But generally, the right answer is something like "I don't actually do dates" or something to that effect. I've known lots of women who pretty much said the same thing to me. | /r/seduction | 26/08/12 04:32 PM |
| 1 | A tidbit about facebook game that I think everybody needs to read (quoting rebuildingMyself)Honestly, I don't believe in Facebook game. Just like text game, it's an idea with high demand (give introverts a way of avoiding approach anxiety), and there are always wishful thinkers and charlatans who are trying to fulfill the demand, but I don't think there's any reality. My Facebook friends list is my list of women who I've friend zoned. Want to be mysterious, and arouse anxiety in an HB? Then you wouldn't friend her so she can read your profile, browse your activities, view your pictures… | /r/seduction | 26/08/12 02:26 AM |
| 9 | I have not posted in almost a year but I overheard this gem and thought I would share.I think the main thing, and I know people are going to disagree, but usually politics isn't about passion. People are usually just bitter, angry, and resentful about politics...that's not really the same as the kind of passion that the OP is talking about. I went to a meetup recently, and there was this obese guy who...we would be talking about something, but was constantly bringing up the Republican Party and something bad that they were about. Even if you agreed with him, you didn't get the se… | /r/seduction | 25/08/12 05:33 PM |
| 18 | I have not posted in almost a year but I overheard this gem and thought I would share.Dunno. I still remember the day my mom told me her secret. She told me never to tell my dad, but she was never physically attracted to him. She loved him because he could make her laugh. Maybe there's a little chip on my shoulder because of that. I feel that...if I can't find a woman who's physically attracted to me, then I'm better off alone. | /r/seduction | 25/08/12 05:25 PM |
| 3 | Can anyone distill 50 Shades of Grey, once and for all?Good points. I almost forgot about the push/pull stuff. Sad to say, but women want tortured romances. They don't want what they want, they want what they don't want. | /r/seduction | 25/08/12 06:37 AM |
| 19 | Can anyone distill 50 Shades of Grey, once and for all?Eh...this thread disappoints me. I bought the book because of how popular the book is with women. So we have an obvious example about a book that is turning a lot of women on. Unfortunately, this thread degrades rather quickly into circlejerking about how awful the book is. But from a seduction perspective...who the fuck cares whether it is bad writing or not? Admittedly, I only got to chapter 7. I work with a lot of women, and since I was only reading it out of curiousity, I went ahead and lent… | /r/seduction | 25/08/12 05:21 AM |
| 1 | What's the biggest lie told in the seduction community?Yeah...not buying it. Maybe it's an urban thing in high-powered cities or something, but I live in midwest sub-urbia. You'd just stand out, and not in a good way. | /r/seduction | 24/08/12 06:57 PM |
| 1 | What's the biggest lie told in the seduction community?Yeah, careful, most field reports are brag reports. There have been some just horrible examples on this subreddit. | /r/seduction | 24/08/12 06:52 PM |
| 1 | What's the biggest lie told in the seduction community?Where do you go that you get to wear a tailored suit? | /r/seduction | 24/08/12 06:40 PM |
| 1 | What's the biggest lie told in the seduction community?Girls just want a cool guy that makes their friends jealous. Good looks is only a perk. Lot of truth to this statement, mainly with the younger girls (HS to about 22 years old). But being with a tall, hot, and athletic guy will go a long ways towards making their friends jealous. The height thing is real, in my experience. Do an mental survey sometime about all the girls you know. The more good looking the girl is, the taller her boyfriend. All the HB's have 6' or over. | /r/seduction | 24/08/12 06:38 PM |
| 3 | What's the biggest lie told in the seduction community?Looks don't matter. PUA's claiming to close greater than 50% of the time. The idea that with good game you can get any girl. But, more generally, there's just a lot of misleading information out there that aren't outright lies. Guys are giving FR reports about their fuck buddies. PUA's are having a lot of success, but are trying to make out that they are just "average guys" when they are clearly not. And the insinuation that game is much more important than it is. Looks, social status, and just … | /r/seduction | 24/08/12 06:29 PM |
| 8 | How do you respond to "Are you trying to fuck me?"I like "I'm not that easy!" But also consider shit tests as IOI's. Under your circumstances, might have just been a good time to bring her in close and kiss her. The right answer to shit tests: Don't give the logical response. | /r/seduction | 24/08/12 06:22 PM |
| 1 | A little bit on losing weight, and confidence building.If you are not counting calories you have no way of knowing if you are eating in a deficit. Actually you do. If you're losing weight, then you're eating in a deficit. You said this yourself. If you're not losing weight, then you're eating at a surplus. Counting calories just turns out to be unnecessary. | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 03:57 PM |
| 1 | "Sex Now. Emotions Later" : Part Two of: Some men smell like "White Picket Fences" and some men smell like "Sex and Sin"My understanding about myself is based on my experiences. I think I have enough dating experience to come to some pretty solid conclusions about myself. This doesn't mean you understand yourself at the visceral level. as shallow as that makes me feel This is the other thing I forgot to mention. Most women, when giving advice, seem to automatically filter their advice. Yeah, if the advice doesn't sound shallow, I generally ignore it, because I assume there's a great deal of this filtering going o… | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 03:51 PM |
| 1 | A little bit on losing weight, and confidence building.Okay, your advice isn't too bad, but it still isn't great in my opinion. There's too much overthinking and overanalysis when it comes to diet. Here's my number one rule: 1. Stop being a food scientist. Stop counting calories, and measuring net carbs, or calculating your macronutrient ratios. You only need to focus on one thing: Eat only serving sizes. You can eat anything you want, as long as it's a serving size. And your meals should be no more than about two to four different foods. 2. Change … | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 03:32 PM |
| 0 | "Sex Now. Emotions Later" : Part Two of: Some men smell like "White Picket Fences" and some men smell like "Sex and Sin"You could be ugly as hell and still be a ladies man. Could we stop saying this? It doesn't become true through repetition. | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 03:14 PM |
| 6 | "Sex Now. Emotions Later" : Part Two of: Some men smell like "White Picket Fences" and some men smell like "Sex and Sin"Excellent. Best possible response to this cliched response on seddit. But the bigger problem is that most women aren't like you. I think the biggest fallacy that women make regarding male dating advice is the assumption that you are somehow representative of women at large. The second biggest fallacy is the belief that you understand yourself at the visceral level. Generally, in the seduction community, we only hear from women what they tell themselves. Seduction operates at the visceral level. … | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 03:08 PM |
| 8 | "Sex Now. Emotions Later" : Part Two of: Some men smell like "White Picket Fences" and some men smell like "Sex and Sin"What? TL;DR - How long does a comment really need to be? | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 02:59 PM |
| 4 | "Sex Now. Emotions Later" : Part Two of: Some men smell like "White Picket Fences" and some men smell like "Sex and Sin"I've come to realize that the carnal desires aren't wrong, they just have to be integrated with the rest of you. A lot of the guys here, I suspect, like you have a problem with repressing their sexuality. Then we try to experiment with it, and it comes across as creepy. On the other hand, and this might not really help, but I think it gets better as you get older. First your sex drive decreases, which sounds bad but it really isn't. Reduced sex drive decreases your general neediness towards wome… | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 02:58 PM |
| 1 | In a LTR, turned into a nice guy and gf is losing attraction. How do I get the badass back?be unpredictable. This. The most telling point in the OP is "Me and my gf have been living together for 6 months...." Has anyone else noticed how hard it is to be unpredictable when you're living with someone? | /r/seduction | 22/08/12 03:43 AM |
| 11 | Some men smell like "White Picket Fences" and some men smell like "Sex and Sin" - Part OneYep, I get you. I'm 30, and I've been kind of languishing. But last week I just dealt with some of my identity/limiting belief issues. Decided I wanted to go to nursing school. Yesterday I applied. Today I already started placement testing. Now my confidence is at 150%. Success isn't monetary success, it is going somewhere in your life. The best metaphor is with bodies of water: You're either still waters, a pond or a puddle, that just gets yucky with algae and bugs; or you're running water, lik… | /r/seduction | 22/08/12 03:35 AM |
| 1 | [FR] New in town, by far my best pickup ever (f-close)Also consider it's a DHV. I think the last thing a woman wants is a guy begging to have sex with her. | /r/seduction | 21/08/12 06:20 AM |
| 6 | [FR] Testing out direct/aggressive text gameAwesome FR. I think the biggest lesson I learned from this is that by being direct/aggressive, you're actually making the lay easier for her. Shit tests are sort of code for "if you're going to make this hard for me at all, it's not going to happen." She doesn't wasn't some guy she doesn't know very well coming over, and asking her a ton of questions, seeking validation, or ruining the sex for her by making it awkward. Great game! | /r/seduction | 18/08/12 06:20 PM |
| 2 | Girl: "Hold my drink for me?"I would have just took the drink, and immediately start sipping from it, without all the verbal warnings and jousting. Instead, you just went full asshole. | /r/seduction | 16/08/12 02:50 PM |
| 3 | Get your priorities straight. Have fun primarily. Pick up secondary.The flipside of that too is that the girl was amazed that I would just leave after we had built so much attraction, and she texted me the next day and wanted to meet up. It's called DHV man. What you did is called "good game". Congrats. You had a good chance of killing attraction if you just stuck around trying to impress her all night. | /r/seduction | 16/08/12 02:46 PM |
| 2 | A seddit primer on the sexual market place, hypergamy, and the origins of / need for gameYou know, the real practical lesson I get from hypergamy, is that women are generally only capable of being attracted to men who are of equal social status or greater. I'm 30 and pretty low on the social status ladder, and this is what I've found. Of course, less attractive women might settle for less, but I don't think they really like to. They are more likely to hold out. | /r/seduction | 15/08/12 05:42 PM |
| 2 | Change your game in 3 minutes: The truth that I've just been starting to realize.Weird, no homo, but I just like watching this guy talk. | /r/seduction | 15/08/12 03:18 PM |
| 7 | A seddit primer on the sexual market place, hypergamy, and the origins of / need for game"Creep" isn't an objective, absolute thing. Obesity is. | /r/seduction | 15/08/12 02:22 AM |
| 14 | A seddit primer on the sexual market place, hypergamy, and the origins of / need for gameThe other thing to consider is that while the gender ratio is 50/50, if you reduce the women to HB's, the ratio is a lot more warped. Since men are primarily attracted to looks, and obesity drastically reduces a woman's looks, the rise in obesity throws the marketplace strongly in the HB's favor. | /r/seduction | 14/08/12 04:26 PM |
| 2 | What's Seddit's opinion on how to handle a married woman showing much interest?My code is that girls with boyfriends are open game, but not girls who have already made marriage vows. But you should use her as a pivot while you're out. | /r/seduction | 13/08/12 05:21 PM |
| 2 | Experienced PUAs of Seddit: NOBODY has been able to help me with this; I keep pulling girls home to my bed but... no sexy time.I don't see any field reports. No useful information. | /r/seduction | 10/08/12 04:23 PM |
| 1 | Is it normal to treat this as not just 'game' but actually a kind of scorecard or meeting challenges, almost like achievements in a video game? Anyone else do this and how do you handle regret and thoughts in hindsight?Don't do this. The only actual "game" I have is visiting places in my area where I'm likely to bring women in the future. I don't know the area all that well, and don't want to feel like a fish out of water when I ask women out (want to seem more knowledgeable/experienced). Maybe "the test" in your mind is, imagine that the girl you're doing this with is the one up end up with, you eventually marry her. Now imagine telling her the story of why you met her, what you were actually doing. Would it … | /r/seduction | 10/08/12 04:20 PM |
| 1 | Text report- Haven't talked to her in months and sparked a conversationYou know...that's actually an interesting date idea, at least if she doesn't see you as "the type who frequents strip clubs". Create attraction through contrast, take her out of her comfort zone a little, and qualify her a bit. Just an idea though, not sure if a good one. | /r/seduction | 10/08/12 05:38 AM |
| 1 | What do you do when you're only given yes-no-good-bad answers?Short replies are IODs. | /r/seduction | 08/08/12 05:23 AM |
| 3 | A Quote Important To All Of SedditJames-Lange theory | /r/seduction | 08/08/12 04:50 AM |
| 10 | [FR] Ice Cream "date" with a co-worker, crashed and burned. Did I fail a shit test, or am I reading too deeply into it?My opinion: You didn't do anything wrong. She probably does have a boyfriend (you played it right doubting this at first), and probably just wanted to be more social. Never a bad idea to extend your social circle, especially with people at work. You should be proud, honestly. Outcome independence all the way. You stayed cool, and this will help you out in the long run. Best case scenario for this situation. | /r/seduction | 08/08/12 12:42 AM |
| 3 | Curious lady again here: I tend to prefer a direct approach to everything in life. I HATE playing games. Do many of you try a more direct approach with women where you make it perfectly clear you are interested in sex?Look up ASD. It's either "I'm not the kind of girl who would have sex with a man she just met at a bar" or "How dare he think he's good enough/high status enough/alpha enough to have sex with me." Women are just super-judgmental in general. | /r/seduction | 07/08/12 10:43 PM |
| 2 | Curious lady again here: I tend to prefer a direct approach to everything in life. I HATE playing games. Do many of you try a more direct approach with women where you make it perfectly clear you are interested in sex?I didn't say I wasn't being polite. The offense is taken, not given. | /r/seduction | 07/08/12 10:37 PM |
| 2 | Curious lady again here: I tend to prefer a direct approach to everything in life. I HATE playing games. Do many of you try a more direct approach with women where you make it perfectly clear you are interested in sex?I think the problem is that there probably are girls out there who prefer the direct approach; but the girls who don't like the direct will be totally offended and will totally make you feel like shit for trying the direct approach. On the other hand, the consequences aren't as tragic for a guy trying the indirect approach on a girl who prefers the direct approach. Basically, because of women. | /r/seduction | 07/08/12 10:33 PM |
| 0 | Cocky vs Confidence. When is the line crossed?You know how women are often sexually attracted to the same guys that they can't stand? I think it's the same thing. They might legitimately dislike your personality, doesn't mean they aren't attracted to it. I'm much more of an asshole than I used to be, but that's probably because I was an extreme nice guy at one time. Day after day, I'm amazed at how much dickish personality I can get away with yet the women in my life still thinking I'm okay. They're also touching me more. | /r/seduction | 07/08/12 02:27 AM |
| 1 | TIL that if you're over 30 and dislike clubs, OKCupid is like shooting fish in a barrel.As another guy, I'd love to take a gander at your profile to compare. PM me you don't want it public. Thanks. I just reactivated my account and I've had a pretty good response ratio, but the two conversations I had going just dropped off. Definitely going to take your advice to escalate early. | /r/seduction | 04/08/12 07:15 PM |
| 1 | Why the fuck is it so hard?How much of Mystery Method have you tried? Have you tried finding a pivot, and using her for preselection? | /r/seduction | 04/08/12 02:20 PM |
| 1 | I have a front seat to watch how one man's neediness is going to possibly end his one and only relationshipIn addition to the cause and effect confusion, it's very easy, and necessary i guess, for a person to backward-rationalise poor decisions. Yep, exactly. Sometimes called the female (or male) hamster. And he's seeing from the perspective of being her brother, so he's simply not getting all the facts. This is where a lot of naive ideas about women come from, really: People taking what women say at face value. They are going to tell you what they tell themselves, not how it is. | /r/seduction | 04/08/12 02:57 AM |
| 2 | I have a front seat to watch how one man's neediness is going to possibly end his one and only relationshipYeah, thought the same thing. The OP might be confusing cause and effect here. And if she only likes him because of his "stability", why wouldn't she want to cheat on him? | /r/seduction | 03/08/12 05:42 PM |
| 5 | [FR] funny coffee meet F-close [NSFW]About how old is she? | /r/seduction | 02/08/12 05:55 AM |
| 3 | [FR] funny coffee meet F-close [NSFW]Sounds like a good compliance test to me. | /r/seduction | 02/08/12 05:47 AM |
| 4 | Women of reddit: how do I know when I'm being too aggressive?First, don't take dating advice from women. Second, err on the side of being more jerky than being more nice. Third, err on the side of being more creepy than being more neuter. It's just calibration. You need to find your limits through trial and error, just like all the guys do it. Yeah, you're seeing with your own eyes that the approach you're using fails, that the more aggressive approach works, and yet you're still holding back. | /r/seduction | 02/08/12 04:57 AM |
| 2 | 21 ways to touch her. Quick article (resource) that simplifies kino.Penetration is still only intermediate kino though. | /r/seduction | 01/08/12 03:27 AM |
| 2 | HB9 with a guy (could be a date or friend or orbiter) checks me out multiple times and holds eye contact. What to do.I wonder sometimes if high HB's do this sort of thing to shit test the guy she's with. They typically know that just looking at a guy from across the room is going to bring him over, and so there's definitely the sense that she's doing this on purpose. Careful though, it's also been suggested that women subconsciously get off on violence. | /r/seduction | 01/08/12 03:24 AM |
| 2 | Being a better you benefits everyone, just look at meI think the relevance is that I think you're buffering. When people post here about making transformations, I want to see people getting something for themselves: fcloses, a girlfriend, an improved social life, what have you. Yeah, I'm also on the self-improvement path. Last week I just broke up with a girl I was seeing, after I turned 30. So now I'm sexless and alone, but this actually constitutes "improvement". No one else can see it, so I'll wait before I give seddit my transformation story. … | /r/seduction | 31/07/12 05:15 PM |
| 1 | Microaggressions and PickupCareful though. With the MAD stuff you've changed from "trying to get laid" to "combating racism." That's a very different game. Gonna have to write a new book for that one. Just try not to enjoy the aggressiveness too much...it can become a habit. | /r/seduction | 31/07/12 05:05 PM |
| 3 | Being a better you benefits everyone, just look at meDo you want a girlfriend or do you want to make out with girls who have boyfriends? | /r/seduction | 31/07/12 04:42 PM |
| 2 | How do you feel about the state of seddit? [Discussion thread]Here's a suggestion for flair: People get flair (just says "PUA") just for posting multiple FR's that shows knowledge of game principles. That's it. Should be a low-threshold for attaining flair, just shows you're actually going out and you're trying the stuff that you read about. | /r/seduction | 31/07/12 04:27 PM |
| 2 | Being a better you benefits everyone, just look at meWhy are you telling us all about the girl you aren't gaming? You used her as a pivot...any results? | /r/seduction | 31/07/12 04:15 PM |
| 2 | Hey guys, is there a subreddit for people who want to vastly improve their social skills? ie. change their personality to become more outgoing and spontaneous?There is /r/socialskills but you say you're pretty good in that department. My opinion: You get better social skills by meeting more people, and talking to them. If you have trouble having conversations in groups, then focus on having conversations in groups. The other aspect is having relevant experiences. This is probably 90% of your trouble. You're heavily involved in school, spending so much attention on your studies, that you're "falling behind" in the stuff that some of your peers are doin… | /r/seduction | 31/07/12 04:47 AM |
| 1 | Am I the only one here who does this with girls who have boyfriends?Basically, seddit is regressing to the mean of the rest of reddit. This place is AFC/beta central. | /r/seduction | 30/07/12 02:38 AM |
| 2 | Does intelligence help in attraction?I think it helps only in the sense that like attracts like. If you're after an intelligent girl, it helps to be similar, or even a little higher, in intelligence. But most girls are of average intelligence, just as most guys are of average intelligence, so having high intelligence is usually a liability. | /r/seduction | 29/07/12 05:20 PM |
| 2 | For Sedditors like me who often get tongue tied and keep hitting conversational walls, is there any sort of life hack or list of ideal responses and how to keep a dead conversation alive?Here's a hack: Consider reframing the conversation. You usually reframe when you're being shit tested, but you can reframe for the heck of it as well. Lots of times it just makes things more interesting. Also...don't keep a dead conversation alive. If it gets the least bit boring, kill it yourself. I used to have the vice of thinking that a conversation had to stay "on topic", but it really doesn't. Cut old conversational threads...don't think you have to go back, or make the point you were lead… | /r/seduction | 29/07/12 05:12 PM |
| 4 | Am I the only one here who does this with girls who have boyfriends?The sentence I quoted was BOLDED in your OP. Now you're trying to change the meaning in the comments. Use the edit button. If you haven't figured it out yet, there isn't one form of socialization that is seduction, and another form that is non-seduction. In fact, the very act of not trying to seduce her she'll often find the most seductive. Your OP is popular, but only because AFCs have taken over seddit. This place is hardly worth it anymore. | /r/seduction | 29/07/12 05:08 PM |
| -1 | Am I the only one here who does this with girls who have boyfriends?You got it backwards, that's why you guys are getting it wrong. Desire is primary. You have to justify not doing what you want. You're putting everyone else's desires first. Guess what that gets you in the long run? | /r/seduction | 29/07/12 04:56 PM |
| 1 | Inner game issues? Get your ass in here.We need a separate seddit for FAers. | /r/seduction | 29/07/12 04:13 AM |
| -14 | Am I the only one here who does this with girls who have boyfriends?Honestly, there really isn't any agreement. It's just feelings of jealousy, which can make men violent against the transgressor. It's stupid that suddenly this is being seen as a moral thing, as anyone who has ever been in this sort of situation, it is very much a fear thing that is more important. But then again, it's not unusual for cowardice to be rationalized as having "high moral character". | /r/seduction | 29/07/12 03:56 AM |
| 10 | Am I the only one here who does this with girls who have boyfriends?If I find out a girl I'm hitting on has a boyfriend, I leave her the fuck alone. Yeah, you're a creepy neckbeard FA white knight for saying this. Seriously, you're leaving her the fuck alone because the only reason you'd talk to her is because you want to have sex with her? Honestly, it's crappy when PUA's eject the moment a woman utters the BF line, or lose interest for any other reason. If she enjoys talking with you, then talk to her! She doesn't belong to her boyfriend, no matter how much he… | /r/seduction | 29/07/12 03:44 AM |
| 1 | How much am I missing out because I don't have tattoos? And why are tattoos attractive?Yeah...I think starting this thread created a huge misunderstanding: I'm not saying that anyone should get a tattoo in order to get laid. And I'm not saying that people who get tattoos, do so in order to get laid. Also, I'm not interested in getting a tattoo, honestly. But I wondered how it worked for guys who had them. I think the way it works, though, is that it's cosmetic, and that's something that women can relate to. I think guys who wear makeup (goths, etc) have the same sort of advantage.… | /r/seduction | 29/07/12 03:06 AM |
| 3 | How much am I missing out because I don't have tattoos? And why are tattoos attractive?No, I'm saying that calling someone a skank tells me much more about you than the person you're pointing to. | /r/seduction | 29/07/12 02:47 AM |
| 2 | How much am I missing out because I don't have tattoos? And why are tattoos attractive?I'm not seriously looking to get a tattoo, just wondered how much I was missing out. And I tend to ignore remarks that use pejoratives like "skanks", because they're usually poorly reasoned. No, not just "skanks" are attracted to tattoos. And there's no hard criteria to determine which women are skanks, and which aren't...which is true of most pejoratives. | /r/seduction | 28/07/12 04:57 PM |
| 2 | Help for tonight: Will try to get on one more time with my FWB. We're in a bit of a weird situation now.Hard to say without knowing the girl. I'd side with teasing and playing innocent, because with the new guy her ASD will be very strong. Also, since you're staying at her place, some plausible deniability will make your stay more comfortable. She's a good friend of yours, so be mature about the whole thing. If she clearly doesn't want to, just be a good friend to her. | /r/seduction | 28/07/12 04:35 PM |
| -3 | How much am I missing out because I don't have tattoos? And why are tattoos attractive?So I'm missing out on having sex with girls without commitment...yeah, not missing out on anything. What happened to this place? | /r/seduction | 28/07/12 04:29 PM |
| 1 | How much am I missing out because I don't have tattoos? And why are tattoos attractive?Yeah, it isn't congruent to who I am, but that might be part of the problem: Not the tattoos, but that I'm not the kind of person who would have tattoos. Still not sure. The people saying it's no big deal are the same ones saying that it's an advantage. I only mentioned it after restarting my OkCupid profile, and seeing a few HB's say they're looking for guys with tattoos. Yeah, I guess they're still a little taboo, which is hilarious in my opinion. Guys and girls have been getting tattoos since… | /r/seduction | 28/07/12 04:28 PM |
| 1 | [FR] Two nights, two back-to-back F-closesI agree she was basically interested/DTF from the get go, still if you had bad game you could have lost her any number of ways. | /r/seduction | 28/07/12 06:00 AM |
| 1 | Why You're Not Good at ThisSelf-improvement is masturbation. | /r/seduction | 28/07/12 05:51 AM |
| 0 | Men of Reddit, what type of women are you most attracted to?Nice optimism, but losing weight is really hard. Generally, your odds are very low that an overweight/obese woman is going to lose that weight, even if she actually tries. Plus, there are few greater stigmas than against being the guy who tries to egg a girl on to lose weight. "For her health" sure, but I don't think any girl can't see through that. | /r/seduction | 28/07/12 12:53 AM |
| 1 | Men of Reddit, what type of women are you most attracted to?In my opinion, neither the media, nor "women's media", are right. I'm going to generalize somewhat, but there is such thing as fat being right on a certain body. I mean, generally, overweight women would always be better off thinner; but some women can handle more fat better than other women. Really, you are supposed to have more body fat than us men. In my opinion, I want to see some sort of a waist on you, that's the most important thing. The worst fat on a woman is belly fat. If you're overwe… | /r/seduction | 28/07/12 12:48 AM |
| 3 | Gents, women ARE NOT the root of all happiness. They ARE merely a perk that comes from leading a fulfilling, interesting life.Yeah...that's the irony of this whole thing. And even the OP, even though he thinks he believes it, and lives it to an extent, will keep returning to this epiphany of his, and each time it will become shocking, and deeper. It's like how he says he has a passion for blogging, and whatever else. Passion is like happiness; you can tell someone isn't happy once they start talking about happiness. You're already out of the moment, looking at it from the outside, or in the rear-view mirror. The same i… | /r/seduction | 28/07/12 12:32 AM |
| 1 | Shit test help - are you interested in [girl name]?Don't think that's a shit test. It's preselection...she's attracted to you because she saw you dancing with the other girl. Girls talk like this because it turns her on. Could use it to create a jealousy plotline: "Why, you jealous?" Actually, that's a form of agree and amplify right there. | /r/seduction | 27/07/12 07:31 PM |
| 1 | What should I get a friend with benefits for her birthday?Give her...more benefits. | /r/seduction | 27/07/12 07:23 PM |
| 1 | Discussion topic: How can a man be the initiator, but also make her chase?Two words: Indirect opener. | /r/seduction | 27/07/12 07:21 PM |
| 1 | TIL I watched a shirtless blonde model (Male) with a six pack strike out with a 7. You have no excuses.Fun, interesting, sexy, discrete. Fun, interesting, sexy, discrete. Fun, interesting, sexy, discrete. I like it. Wish me luck ;-) | /r/seduction | 27/07/12 06:58 PM |
| 1 | Men of Reddit, Is Being Called a Dork a Good Thing?I think it's usually an indicator of comfort. If you get an IOC too early, you're probably losing attraction; but in the comfort stage, means you're doing it right. Women often see themselves as dorks, so it makes her more comfortable around you. Too much IOC is friendzone. | /r/seduction | 27/07/12 06:20 PM |
| 1 | Oneitis Is The Easy Way Out, And The True Contributing Factors To OneitisYeah, there's ego all around. It's interesting, but kind of sad, how much "who rejects who" affects the ego. It's the stupidest thing to think that one woman can determine your value as a male, but the ego doesn't understand this. Sadly, I've been on the "better" side of the rejection coin a few times, and even though I wasn't the right guy for them in either case, I still hear from them. Look, I'm a serious beta. But what distinguishes me from other betas is that I won't settle, I'm okay living… | /r/seduction | 27/07/12 06:13 PM |
| 1 | Things to whisper into girl's ears at bars.http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/x7c5n/things_to_whisper_into_girls_ears_at_bars/c5k2qam | /r/seduction | 27/07/12 05:56 PM |
| 1 | TIL I watched a shirtless blonde model (Male) with a six pack strike out with a 7. You have no excuses.Yeah, that's probably why it isn't mentioned. The advanced guys think it's too basic to mention, and the newbies never really hear about it. I always think it's good to remind people of the basics on seddit, but this probably irritates some of the advanced guys. | /r/seduction | 27/07/12 05:21 PM |
| 1 | TIL I watched a shirtless blonde model (Male) with a six pack strike out with a 7. You have no excuses.Thing I don't see on seddit too much is the virtue of discretion. | /r/seduction | 23/07/12 04:34 PM |
| 2 | How to feel like I'm not bothering girls?Yeah, it's interesting how men and women are different about this. Women interrupt me constantly while I'm reading/watching TV, etc. It's because women understand value in terms of being social: Doing something by yourself means that you have nothing better to do. But when I'm reading a book, and I'm into it, I actually don't like being interrupted. I'll pass up social opportunities if it's something I want to read, or I'm in an intellectual mood and want to bone up on my logic book on my Kindle… | /r/seduction | 23/07/12 04:29 PM |
| 3 | How to feel like I'm not bothering girls?Yeah, I agree. It's all about strong frame, leading the interaction. IMO, if you are interacting with a girl, while doubting yourself thinking that you're bothering her, that's what bothers her. But with a strong enough frame, and enough confidence, you're actually adding value. Everyone enjoys interacting with a high value guy. The people who bother you are people you consider low value. | /r/seduction | 23/07/12 04:24 PM |
| 2 | Why You're Not Good at ThisWe should just use the honor system, not literally go around banning people. Right now there are zero expectations on seddit. That's why everyone is into the self-improvement crap, because it doesn't require any real effort or investment. | /r/seduction | 23/07/12 04:19 PM |
| 2 | Why You're Not Good at ThisYeah...but #pickup was shady. Seriously, they started spamming /r/seduction members telling them to go to /r/pickup. But you might be right that there needs to be another subreddit. Strictly speaking, "seduction" is a broad concept, and doesn't just mean cold approach pickup. It's like there could be two categories: cold approach pickup natural game And then there are those who shouldn't be here, and should really be on /r/socialskills or /r/getmotivated et al. Self-improvement is masturbation. | /r/seduction | 21/07/12 11:40 PM |
| 1 | So seddit, I would like some help.Basically, obsessing over one girl when there are literally hundreds/thousands/millions/more other girls out there. This is overstated. Practically speaking, the number of realistic options out there for a given person, in a particular locale, is probably between the hundreds or thousands range. If you're a world traveler, maybe it does go into the hundreds of thousands range, but that's only if this is part of your lifestyle. Thinking about it, it might be worth it to spend some time trying to … | /r/seduction | 15/07/12 04:15 PM |
| 1 | RSD: Wake Up For Hardcase Newbies: What To Do If You're Depressed, Overly Passive, And Socially WeirdBecause a depression is a serious illness, caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. I hate this shit. Not all depression is chronic depression. Everyone who takes Prozac thinks they are the authorities on feeling bad about life. Seriously, if you have no social life, spend most of your time isolated, playing video games and masturbating, yeah you're going to be depressed. But blaming this depression on "a chemical imbalance in the brain" is jumping the gun, in my opinion. | /r/seduction | 15/07/12 04:56 AM |
| 1 | [Discussion] Is it a bad idea to point the ForeverAlones of Reddit to Seduction?The problem with that is a lot of people consider confronting sexism or similar deviancies is white-knighting. It might be white-knighting, or it might be genuine social concern. The point of the white knight criticism is the motivation behind it. We criticize white knighting as a form of beta game: Guys think that by identifying with women, they are going to be more successful with women, e.g., they are going to have a better chance of getting laid. It doesn't matter if you agree with sexism (t… | /r/seduction | 12/07/12 03:28 PM |
| 1 | As a young working professional working 40-60 hours a week, I'm having trouble finding time to even meet people at all. What should I do?I feel like daygaming is my best bet, but that's not something I'm particularly accustomed to either, and I'm still not sure when I'd get time to do it. rAFC here, but I'm working on daygaming while I'm out doing errands: shopping, going to the gym, etc. I've tried going out just for the sake of approaching women, but the whole situation seems off to me. Maybe part of me needs some plausible honesty to game effectively. Besides, part of me wants to learn game like it's kung fu: Like I could just… | /r/seduction | 11/07/12 07:46 AM |
| 2 | [Discussion] Is it a bad idea to point the ForeverAlones of Reddit to Seduction?I think things make a lot more sense if you understand that /r/foreveralone is the direct opposite of /r/seduction. Visiting /r/foreveralone actually makes your seduction skills worse, it's anti-game. | /r/seduction | 11/07/12 07:21 AM |
| 4 | WHY YOU SHOULD FORGET ABOUT IOIsI can confirm this. Just got Mystery Method on my Kindle. The worst thing I can say about this book is that it's super-nerdy, it's pickup for guys who like flow charts and diagrams. But if this is the source of "IOI's", then it was never about just hanging out until some girl starts tossing her hair toward you, and then going in to meet her. But I recommend the book to anyone here. All the other books about pickup seem to be a footnote to this book in one way or another. | /r/seduction | 09/07/12 07:58 AM |
| 1 | WHY YOU SHOULD FORGET ABOUT IOIsYeah, but what if they don't get it? | /r/seduction | 09/07/12 07:46 AM |
| 3 | I have a hard time openly hitting on girls, not out of fear for rejections, but out of fear of looking like an idiot.We really need to ban the words "douche" and "douchebag" on seddit (being facetious). The word doesn't really have any meaning when it comes down to it, and it seems to be mostly used by people who do far too much people watching, and too little minding their own business. | /r/seduction | 08/07/12 11:02 PM |
| 2 | I have a hard time openly hitting on girls, not out of fear for rejections, but out of fear of looking like an idiot.I just can't relax. I constantly have this fear of looking like the fuckups that i despise so much. Yeah, that's pretty much karma. You've become aggressively judgmental about other people, and now you can't stand the thought of you being the object of that degree of criticism. It's called shame. You're good at dishing it out, but now you can't take it. It's a complete circle. Try not being so critical of other people next time. | /r/seduction | 08/07/12 10:59 PM |
| 1 | Looking for info---more lifelong celibate men than women?Thanks for researching this for me. I guess I don't really see strong empirical support for my thesis, but there is some weaker support. | /r/MensRights | 08/07/12 06:13 PM |
| 1 | Looking for info---more lifelong celibate men than women?Yeah. I guess I had a hard time not qualifying that statement because I see these shows about 400 pound women, and I just don't see them getting laid much, no matter how far in her prime she is. | /r/MensRights | 08/07/12 06:10 PM |
| 3 | Looking for info---more lifelong celibate men than women?Anyway, I don't believe your hypothesis that ugly women still get loads of sex, especially on the internet the idea that fat/over 30 women are horrifyingly undesirable is a pretty common one. Well, I'm talking about lifelong celibacy, so it doesn't matter if women over 30 don't get sex if they still got sex in their teens and 20's. I guess I speculate that even obese women, in their 20's, still get sex up to a radical point. I'm sure there are women who are celibate their whole lives, but I thin… | /r/MensRights | 08/07/12 07:39 AM |
| 6 | Has anyone tried the full on asshole approach?Overall, you'd be surprised what you can get away with and you should definitely try asshole game. This. Part of my problem with calibration was I just didn't understand how other men were treating the women I was trying to pick up. One girl who I particularly fond of, at one point when she was drunk, just kept telling me "you're such a nice guy". She said it over and over again, until I started to realize that this wasn't a compliment. Since then, I've just started assholing myself up, trying t… | /r/seduction | 07/07/12 05:09 PM |
| 1 | Getting numbers at my job?Gaming customers/clients is probably even worse than gaming co-workers, unless your game is really good and you're in complete control, I'd avoid it. | /r/seduction | 07/07/12 03:30 AM |
| 1 | Fifty tips for Picking UpDoes it matter if you don't have a large penis? | /r/seduction | 06/07/12 05:12 PM |
| 1 | Seddit, we need to talk about FRsI think the problem is that SRS etc would mass troll and control the conversation. There's almost no point in starting such a thread because of it. | /r/seduction | 06/07/12 05:07 PM |
| 1 | Seddit, we need to talk about FRsTake your pants off too soon and it can kill her mood. I don't know where I heard this, (I mentioned it to a girl I was with and she thought it was stupid) but someone said that the girl should take her clothes off first. Like, take her shirt off before you take your shirt off, etc. I just use this as a rule of thumb, not a law. | /r/seduction | 06/07/12 05:00 PM |
| 1 | Don’t Be a Dick: The False Virtues of the Classic Alpha Maleis a good way to generalize the entire female population. Tell me how you would generalize the entire female population. Edit: Here's something to chew on: http://www.whatswrongwiththeworld.net/2008/06/the_dark_triad.html FWIW, I'm not involved in MRA, and I wasn't disparaging women. | /r/seduction | 04/07/12 08:14 PM |
| 1 | Dear Seddit, Is it possible to break the best friendzone?I forgot where I read it, but a girl who likes you won't confuse you. Mixed signals usually means she's not into you. Maybe she wants to see if she's got a hook into you, but that's not what you want. But if you really want her, go fuck five other women and try again. | /r/seduction | 04/07/12 06:30 PM |
| 1 | Kino and trying to be alpha has only gotten me called a creep and into some fights so far.To me being alpha means giving zero fucks and doing whatever you want with no regard to how anyone else feels. Good. But it also means doing what you really want to do. Calling guys fags probably isn't congruent with your personality. If anything, it makes you sound bitter, like the wrong kind of asshole: the caring asshole. You need to be the uncaring asshole. You're calling a guy a fag because he's talking to a woman you want to talk to: Wrong kind of asshole. | /r/seduction | 04/07/12 05:58 PM |
| 1 | Are white knights overwhelming Seddit?Well I guess that I interpret the suggestion that it's somehow "conservative" or "stupid" to expect that women (or men) not cheat to be a pretty major refutation of social expectations. Dishonest again: First, the issue has always been the moral culpability of the man a woman is cheating with; not the culpability of the cheater. Second, refuting this social expectation isn't a refutation of all social expectations. Argue with your strawmen elsewhere. Besides, isn't demagoguing (referring to peop… | /r/seduction | 04/07/12 05:36 PM |
| 4 | Are white knights overwhelming Seddit?Yeah, guess you're right. I guess I reflexively google everything I'm not familiar with, that it just seems strange to see someone ask about something that is probably the first hit if they did a quick search. | /r/seduction | 04/07/12 05:09 PM |
| 2 | Are white knights overwhelming Seddit?It's more the general meta-idea being espoused that morality shouldn't factor into seddit at all that turns me off, in combination with the little things here and there. You should find other subreddits then e.g. /r/dating_advice /r/relationships etc. I check them out every now and then, and then I quickly realize the problem of what happens when "morality becomes a factor": reality stops being a factor. I'll post on there, every now and then, with some heart-felt advice, and guys will PM me and… | /r/seduction | 04/07/12 05:04 PM |
| 3 | Are white knights overwhelming Seddit?White Knight Game | /r/seduction | 04/07/12 04:14 PM |
| 4 | Are white knights overwhelming Seddit?Up to you, but what we're talking about seems to be a pretty gray area morally: Whether the person someone cheats with is morally culpable. It's debated here because its a gray area, people have different opinions about it. I just don't think this should be the point where you say "I've had enough!" More solid moral issues aren't given any leniency. | /r/seduction | 04/07/12 04:06 PM |
| 0 | Are white knights overwhelming Seddit?Jedi? You mean the Jedi mind trick? Wave your hand across her eyes, and say "This is the cock you're looking for..." | /r/seduction | 04/07/12 03:49 PM |
| 3 | Are white knights overwhelming Seddit?I've found that white knights are pretty easy to spot: They are the ones calling other people douche bags. Would it puzzle you that there are people who have never once called another person a douche bag? | /r/seduction | 04/07/12 03:40 PM |
| 6 | Are white knights overwhelming Seddit?Sad. Does no one google anymore? | /r/seduction | 04/07/12 03:36 PM |
| 1 | Are white knights overwhelming Seddit?I want to recommend a book to you, ThrowawayPUA. I just downloaded on my kindle the other night for $1.99. It's The Art of Always Being Right: 38 Ways to Win an Argument by Schopenhauer. It's basically a book of sophistry, and now its just obvious the sort of debating tactics that people are using. Strangely, its very useful for reading debates on the internet. | /r/seduction | 04/07/12 03:31 PM |
| 3 | Are white knights overwhelming Seddit?Sure, though I maintain that it's funny to complain that people when people aren't following one set of social norms (reddiquette) while simultaneously blasting social norms in general. Stop this shit. You're being intellectually dishonest to the extreme. No one is blasting "social norms in general". No, that's just what you pulled out of your ass to justify your white-knightery. | /r/seduction | 04/07/12 03:04 PM |
| 21 | Are white knights overwhelming Seddit?For me that has alway been the draw of seduction. Its self-help whithout the bullshit. Me too. If I wanted to know what the socially acceptable solution to romantic problems are, I'd go to /r/relationships; and I really don't need to go there, because I can figure it out by myself. But my problem isn't the problem of what is the most acceptable to society. Me living unhappy for the rest of my life is socially acceptable. You have to go for what you want, this is the first man law. Women, univers… | /r/seduction | 04/07/12 02:59 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone here ever heard of the Dark Triad personality group? Do you think there's anything that can be learned from it?Frankly, I don't really think it's up for grabs. It's 90% nature, and 10% early nurture. After about 4 years old, your orbit through life is pretty much determined. But our social ideologies aren't comfortable with this, to say the least, so we want to put question marks after our most probable answers. But all the evidence sides with nature. | /r/seduction | 04/07/12 02:33 AM |
| 1 | Don’t Be a Dick: The False Virtues of the Classic Alpha MaleOkay, I tagged you "machiavellian" for real now. Cool. Unfortunately, I'm just a nice guy who couldn't realistically live up to that tag. People always consider generalizations they don't like too broad. No one ever complains that not every summer day is hot, or that not every sunset is beautiful. | /r/seduction | 03/07/12 04:25 PM |
| 1 | Don’t Be a Dick: The False Virtues of the Classic Alpha MaleAre you stupid? Think about what you're saying... because violent men get women, violence is an alpha trait? There are many non-violent men around with swarms of women fawning for them. They're all assertive, violent or not. Well...the question of violence is interesting. Violence might mean that you engage in violent behavior, or it could just mean you have a tendency for it. Similarly, non-violent might mean that you are incapable of violence. I don't think anyone who is incapable of violence … | /r/seduction | 03/07/12 04:19 PM |
| 1 | Don’t Be a Dick: The False Virtues of the Classic Alpha MaleYeck. Another attempt to tame the alpha. Women are falling in love with men on death row, with murderers and psychopaths; Rihanna gets back with her abusive boyfriend (I suppose most of us know similar cases in our own lives); and this guy is trifling us about the difference between aggression and assertiveness. The truth is hard: Women really do go after psychopaths, criminals, and violent thugs. The alpha isn't some sort of social ideal. No one cares about Alpha 2.0, the alpha stopped evolving… | /r/seduction | 03/07/12 07:28 AM |
| 1 | Don’t Be a Dick: The False Virtues of the Classic Alpha MaleDunno...sometimes people are insightful when they're drunk. Are you better with women too? I however see through her shit, and I always call her out on it. I don't let her try that shit on me. And she knows that I don't. And why this is why she likes me. My point is to just be a man and take no shit. You are a man, and you deserve respect, you demand it! If a women and disrespects you, you call her out on it and you dont take her shit. Hear, hear! I like how you say you "see through her shit." D… | /r/seduction | 03/07/12 06:50 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone here ever heard of the Dark Triad personality group? Do you think there's anything that can be learned from it?I think by multiple personalities, you're talking about personas, which is somewhat different. I think personality is more fundamental. I guess in common parlance, when people say personality they usually mean persona, like I certain guy is funny or cocky etc | /r/seduction | 03/07/12 12:30 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone here ever heard of the Dark Triad personality group? Do you think there's anything that can be learned from it?IIRC, personality traits are rather stable over a lifetime. If you're born an introvert, you're going to die an introvert; that's generally been the case. I don't know if there will ever be "solid evidence" for these sorts of things, because it always gets political. In our society, people generally don't want to know the truth, or will get up in arms if the science doesn't go there way, and question the science because they hate the conclusion (and then defund and delegitimize the science as pu… | /r/seduction | 03/07/12 12:16 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone here ever heard of the Dark Triad personality group? Do you think there's anything that can be learned from it?Did some more searching: From Wikipedia: Of the eighteen personality dimensions, narcissism was found to have the highest heritability (0.64), indicating that the concordance of this trait in the identical twins was significantly influenced by genetics. Couldn't find anything about the other traits, but I think the general view from twin studies is that personality is mostly inherited. And I think women can generally tell if you're faking, or if it's your actual personality. Like, if you're empa… | /r/seduction | 03/07/12 12:00 AM |
| 1 | Hey Seddit, I want to propose a challenge.Don't do this. You're creating monsters! :D | /r/seduction | 02/07/12 11:15 PM |
| 2 | Has anyone here ever heard of the Dark Triad personality group? Do you think there's anything that can be learned from it?Here's an article summarizing the topic (from a quick Google search): http://www.whatswrongwiththeworld.net/2008/06/the_dark_triad.html I just find this stuff interesting, and there are lots of signs that its true. Look at the movies that women really flock for. Thought it was interesting that a female friend of mine, when we were watching "X-Men: First Class", she was very much attracted to Magneto. Yeah, the actor playing him is physically attractive, but what she found sexy was the way he bas… | /r/seduction | 02/07/12 11:06 PM |
| 2 | So exactly, how willing are most women to having sex the same night?Well, thanks for answering. I'm 29 and just starting on the drinking habit. Dunno why...dunno what to do socially otherwise. FWIW, I've only had sex with sober women, but they aren't women who drink much if at all. But I haven't had sex with a lot of women. Seems that the guys who get laid all the times are the ones who share in some vice whether alcohol, weed, etc. I never got in on any of that stuff, so my pickings are few. I don't know why that's necessary, but its undeniable. | /r/seduction | 02/07/12 10:40 PM |
| 2 | So exactly, how willing are most women to having sex the same night?Nah, I was wondering, because that's sort of the point of this subreddit. We want to know what works. Sounds like drinking and being all sorts of sexy w/ a nice car is what works on you :) I just wonder though...the way you're saying it, is drinking seen as an excuse? Like it's somehow worse to have sex with someone while sober? I guess I'm sex-positive, so I don't see the problem either way, just interesting. | /r/seduction | 02/07/12 08:52 PM |
| -1 | Remember, never take girls' advice on picking up girlsHmm...I think people start with the negative feelings (angst about relationships: cheating, breakups, heartache; sexual frustration; jealousy; envy), and then this can translate into one sort of ideology or another: misogyny, feminism, etc; as a coping mechanism. But really, there's no other path there. Benign sexism doesn't cause misogyny, that's a misconception. Hate doesn't come from people's belief systems, there has to be something far more shocking to a person's emotional state. I'm fascin… | /r/seduction | 02/07/12 05:44 PM |
| 7 | Remember, never take girls' advice on picking up girlsYeah, but I do wonder sometimes though, if we're just gendering things. The guy I replied to made a point that I've often wondered about: I mean, you pick up women, and make conclusions about women; but you never actually try to pick up guys, no homo. So how can you really compare men and women? I'd be interested in what gay guys think about whether guys are "oblivious". Maybe that's just what every predator feels about his prey. | /r/seduction | 02/07/12 05:21 PM |
| -2 | Remember, never take girls' advice on picking up girlsHmm...dunno. I think there are various tactics an fPUA could use. For instance, stroke his ego*, play the damsel in distress, push-pull works on both sexes. Of couse, this supposes that the guy has a lot of options in the 8+ crowd, and you're an 8+ (guys won't necessarily always go with the 9 over the 8, at the high end we're not really all that picky). I think a killer technique would be to tell a guy how inept the last guy to suit her was, either generally or in bed. Give the guy the hope or b… | /r/seduction | 02/07/12 03:27 PM |
| 6 | Remember, never take girls' advice on picking up girlsExactly. Those social skills that bumbling redditors and FAers seem to be missing? Basically, cunning, manipulation, deception, and the understanding of knowing when you're being manipulated. Taking every expression at face value is a fatal flaw: This is why PUA teaches of shit tests and qualification, you'll never have genuine respect of anyone really, if you take their public persona at face value. A female friend of mine has the ingrained habit of manufactured outrage. It took me a while for … | /r/seduction | 02/07/12 03:16 PM |
| 14 | Remember, never take girls' advice on picking up girlsIt's not misogyny. It might be sexist--the belief that there are inherent sexual differences between men and women. But I don't see a drop of woman-hate anywhere in the post you're replying to. Saying that women trust intimately their emotions and feeling of the moment, and that their rationality feels to them as a voice speaking to them from outside, one they don't particularly trust, doesn't mean you hate women. | /r/seduction | 02/07/12 02:58 PM |
| 0 | Remember, never take girls' advice on picking up girlsGoldfish are the first fish I think of. | /r/seduction | 02/07/12 02:40 PM |
| 5 | So exactly, how willing are most women to having sex the same night?I'm highly unlikely to have sex on the first night, highly unlikely to even give out my number, because I think I'm just being used for sex. Tell us about the exceptions. Tell us about the guys who you were willing to have sex sooner. | /r/seduction | 29/06/12 08:35 PM |
| 2 | Is there an active community for people who are a bit more advanced?Dunno. I guess when I was a FA virgin, I was doing the same thing. Yeah, there's a lot of political correctness, and the equalism just gave me a very misguided understanding of women. Now, I guess I've taken the red pill. I'm more sexist now, but not (probably less) misogynist. I've read some eye-opening books. I started reading 50 Shades of Grey, and before I could get far in the book, a female friend borrowed it and got obsessed. All the women at work are reading it; even the lesbian is readin… | /r/seduction | 28/06/12 02:43 PM |
| 3 | Is there an active community for people who are a bit more advanced?I submitted a Heartiste post a couple of nights ago. Might have been a timing thing, but not a single upvote. Most men have a hard time coming to terms with the "men and women need to be treated equally and fairly" mentality that they have been bred to believe in. When in fact men and women are alike in so few ways. I found http://rationalmale.wordpress.com pretty useful for understanding the above. He talks a lot about identification (where betas try to win over women by identifying with them, … | /r/seduction | 28/06/12 03:26 AM |
| 2 | Need advice after bailing on a girl after disrespectShe just wanted an exit if he ended up being a lame ass Good call. Girls do this sort of thing, especially "hot ass girls with tight bodies". If she had a good time with him, those plans could have changed. | /r/seduction | 27/06/12 03:00 PM |
| 2 | Need advice after bailing on a girl after disrespectWhy did you iron your pants just to get a drink with someone? In any case, sounds like your pants needed some serious ironing. Glad you got it done! | /r/seduction | 27/06/12 02:55 PM |
| 1 | Seddit, what have you all found as the best advice for staying out of the friend zone?How masculine do you look? How many of your features are more feminine? | /r/seduction | 26/06/12 04:31 PM |
| 1 | Two ways to know what a woman is thinkingSomething else to consider: Trust your instincts. Seriously. Most of what she says, what you say to yourself, your own attempt to "figure her out", is a smokescreen. Use your instincts. Look for signs when your gut says, "She's starting to close herself off from me" or "She really likes me." The interesting thing is that when I used to do this, I would then ask her. "Oh, I sense that you don't like me much anymore." Her reply would be something like, "What are you talking about?" Back then, I th… | /r/seduction | 26/06/12 04:27 PM |
| 6 | Two ways to know what a woman is thinkingDude, don't neg your grandma. Not cool. | /r/seduction | 26/06/12 04:15 PM |
| 0 | Seddit, what have you all found as the best advice for staying out of the friend zone?How attractive would you say you are on a scale between 1 and 10? How androgynous would you say you look? Attraction isn't 100% game you know. | /r/seduction | 26/06/12 02:24 AM |
| 1 | Undeniable Proof That Women Crave Mind-Blowing Sex62% of women have had rape fantasies... Does this boggle anyone else? | /r/seduction | 26/06/12 02:21 AM |
| 1 | Is being a 'nice guy' really a bad thing?I think personally, it's hard for me to calibrate. I've been leaning on the asshole side lately, mainly because I've been a nice guy my whole life, and I really need to bend in this direction more. I think a good way to think of it, is to mirror what the girls are doing. You approach a girl, and she's not into you, how does she react? She might be polite, or impolite, but that's superficial. She might be polite to you, and then turn around and make fun of you to her friends. Or she might go comp… | /r/seduction | 24/06/12 11:55 PM |
| 1 | Is being a 'nice guy' really a bad thing?Being disrespectful works, it's all over the place. When I first started my current job (at a nursing home, I'm surrounded by women all the time), the workers there wondered if I was gay. I started making friends there, and asked some of them about it, and they said it's because I'm nice. I asked some other women about it, and it turns out this is a thing. If you're a nice guy, girls are going to suspect you're gay. But there's also a domination aspect to it. You'll learn that women do this all … | /r/seduction | 24/06/12 11:26 PM |
| 0 | Seddit, I really need advice. You guys made me, but with great power comes great responsibilityNot really. From The 16 Commandments of Poon: X. Ignore her beauty The man who trains his mind to subdue the reward centers of his brain when reflecting upon a beautiful female face will magically transform his interactions with women. His apprehension and self-consciousness will melt away, paving the path for more honest and self-possessed interactions with the objects of his desire. This is one reason why the greatest lotharios drown in more love than they can handle — through positive experie… | /r/seduction | 24/06/12 11:12 PM |
| 1 | Is being a 'nice guy' really a bad thing?Define "douchebag". Seriously, it's just a pejorative. People have a strong tendency to use pejoratives to describe people who have what they want, but can't have. Everytime I hear the term "douchebag" on seddit, or the internet in general, my reflex is to assume it's some bitter, resentful guy making the call. On the other hand, I have yet to hear much praise towards those guys who do get the awesome, hot girl. Generally, those guys are the douchebags according to reddit. So if you want the gir… | /r/seduction | 24/06/12 11:02 PM |
| 6 | Is being a 'nice guy' really a bad thing?This is going to sound stupid, but it's the truth. Don't be the kind of guy that girls claim they want. Be the kind of guy that girls are always complaining about. What they want, and what they desire, are usually contradictory things. | /r/seduction | 23/06/12 06:56 PM |
| 1 | Why do so many people on here think confidence=assholeEh, the difference is between being an uncaring asshole and a caring asshole. Be the uncaring asshole. Caring vs Uncaring Assholery | /r/seduction | 23/06/12 05:01 AM |
| 1 | 10 Things every guy can do to become more attractiveYep. Attracting women should be a side-effect, or a hobby. Like I just wrote to the OP, if you try to become good enough for women, you'll never be. You need to internalize the prizing frame. | /r/seduction | 21/06/12 05:22 PM |
| 1 | 10 Things every guy can do to become more attractiveYou didn't read the article at all, did you? Every word. IF you want to be happier and more successful (forget about women for a second), this will need to improve. You just don't understand my criticism. I guess I hurt your pride a little. You're confounding happiness, success, and value (worth). They don't all magically grow together. Why would they? What would you and epoh tell him? That it's actually the rest of the world conspiring against him? That he has to "fit a mold? The truth. You're … | /r/seduction | 21/06/12 05:11 PM |
| 4 | 10 Things every guy can do to become more attractiveWow...you twisted his words around. I agree with him 100%. This post just emphasizes the "you're not good enough to be attractive" frame, which isn't even close to right. The problem is that dating/pick-up needs to be like a hobby, or something you do on the side. Yeah, out there, the task of trying to live the good life, or to get into a good life rhythm, remains. But if you try to live the good life in order to attract women, then you've lost the whole fucking point on why these things are att… | /r/seduction | 20/06/12 05:09 AM |
| 2 | Realizing You Are Enough -- And How Your Need For Validation Obscures Your Natural Good Mood - YoutubeI think the difference is that validation is sort of taking value. "A hot girl likes me" is validation. Actually, if you enjoy social interaction because people like you, that's also taking value. I guess it's hard to get out of the transactional mindset. I'm at a loss right now to try to pin down what's wrong with it, but you'll never truly appreciate the prizing frame if you are taken by the transactional frame. | /r/seduction | 20/06/12 04:16 AM |
| 1 | Just ACT, don't over analyze: people make up their minds about you fast and it takes A LOT for them to change their opinions, for the better or worseI've found that if I try to prepare interacting with someone, I tend to blow the interaction. So I prefer going in with a frame (awkward interaction is the same as pointless interaction for me), and I find that people appreciate someone providing a frame. People, fundamentally, want to be social, they want to exhibit their good qualities, and want someone who can take them out of their shells and defenses. It's the ancient idea that the vast majority of people want to be lead, they want to follo… | /r/seduction | 20/06/12 02:40 AM |
| 3 | Personal handshake tip when meeting a lady for 1st time.might've been why she thought it was so awkward, he made mention of her hands while holding her hands That's probably it. In one of the YouTube videos that ThrowawayPUA posts about kino, he talks about how successful kino sort of requires a sort of misdirection (I forget what he calls it). Like, you can lay your hand on her shoulder, as long as you are directing her attention away from your hand. It's sort of like a push-pull: kino itself is a pull, so you need to balance it with a push of some … | /r/seduction | 20/06/12 02:32 AM |
| 2 | Personal handshake tip when meeting a lady for 1st time.I think the point is to have a conversation while you're holding her hand, so you're not just standing there playing handsy. | /r/seduction | 19/06/12 06:18 AM |
| 20 | Personal handshake tip when meeting a lady for 1st time.Found it: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/qboqh/milking_the_intro/ | /r/seduction | 18/06/12 09:08 PM |
| 1 | Elitism or not willingness to shortchange myself?Part of the issue is the present culture of movies, news stories, women's magazines who glamorize the charming prince who will take care of them. Except that used to be the case, and still is to a large extent. The media can usually only reflect culture, it doesn't change it. Is the opposite even a thing? It's a pejorative: Women call him "manchild". Men call him a "kept man". | /r/seduction | 18/06/12 08:57 PM |
| 23 | Personal handshake tip when meeting a lady for 1st time.Sounds like 60 Years of Challenge | /r/seduction | 18/06/12 08:50 PM |
| 3 | [FR] Short SMS game and being fitGuess I'm thrown off by this transition: She Nice job! How can I get a job like that? Me: If you're good I can't help you, but if you're naughty ...... how naughty can you get? Good for you for not getting into a boring conversation, but what were you thinking? "Need to escalate sexually?" "Put her into my frame?" Thanks for the FR. | /r/seduction | 18/06/12 08:45 PM |
| 3 | [FR] Short SMS game and being fitAwesome. I'm 6'1", 200 lbs...BF is probably quite a bit higher: pudge and some remaining love handles. I was thinking about bulking, but I really think cutting is the way to go. Should go down to 180 lbs to get a normal BMI I think, it just sucks losing strength at the gym. | /r/seduction | 18/06/12 08:43 PM |
| 1 | Elitism or not willingness to shortchange myself?There probably is a sense of entitlement. There are enough guys like you who probably only care about looks, and maybe a family down the line, yet provides everything that you have. I guess I get frustrated sometimes thinking what it is like to be a hot woman. It has to be hard trying to focus on career and self-improvement, when you have a pretty solid understanding that at any moment you will probably be whisked away by a high-status alpha, who will provide for you, and you don't really need t… | /r/seduction | 18/06/12 08:27 PM |
| 3 | Has anyone else ever been called out w/ seddit terms?Awesome responses. I think you can almost measure your inner game based on which response you give while staying in frame/state: Lame response/eject: Fail. Ignore: Bronze. Give her the "what the fuck is with you" look: Silver. Look her dead in the eye and say "ya I'm picking up your friend, jealous?": Gold. | /r/seduction | 18/06/12 04:05 AM |
| 0 | "Aww, you're so sweet/cute!" Seddit, how do I react to this?You wrote: As a girl, I would be extremely creeped out if someone said this to me. But all in all, it's probably not a bad thing for the guy engaging in pick-up. The point isn't to avoid seeming creepy at all costs. The point is to quickly and efficiency find the girl who doesn't think getting sexual with the guy is creepy. | /r/seduction | 18/06/12 03:46 AM |
| 0 | "Aww, you're so sweet/cute!" Seddit, how do I react to this?I think it's usually more helpful for women to talk about how their girlfriends actually react, than how they themselves might possibly react. What sounds creepy in text can be smooth in real life, and vice-versa. | /r/seduction | 18/06/12 03:39 AM |
| 1 | Approached more than 50 women, but still no results...Anyway, I've read the side bar, but I must be an idiot because I'm not able to use correctly what's written. What have you been using? Pre-selection? Social proof? Kino? Indirect openers? | /r/seduction | 18/06/12 03:34 AM |
| 1 | How to get good with women fastOh absolutely. You can "learn" Java in 40 hours, the syntax, making programs, etc. But programming itself is hard in any language. Yeah, the trick to card counting is the so-called risk of ruin. You really need a large enough bankroll to start off with, and then you need lots of hours doing nothing but card counting to make any money doing it. I saw a blog post a couple of years ago that did the math on it: It worked out to that you averaged making about $8/hour as a proficient card counter. | /r/seduction | 16/06/12 03:18 PM |
| 1 | How to get good with women fastLiked your post, so don't think I'm ignoring it all, but wanted to revise this a little bit: If you've ever wanted to learn something, the magic number is 21 days, no matter what you want to learn, there's a 21 days to...... to learn your skill, from Programming Java, to cooking, to becoming a better baseball player I was reading about learning card counting for black jack the other day, because a casino just opened in town, and the Wizard of Odds says that it really isn't all that difficult to … | /r/seduction | 15/06/12 06:29 PM |
| 0 | " I feel like "Pickup" has pretty much ruined me, and I wish I didn't know anything about it. I wish I could hit a "reset" button and start over."Because someone posted it here. It's the vote tally that counts. | /r/seduction | 15/06/12 04:06 PM |
| 2 | " I feel like "Pickup" has pretty much ruined me, and I wish I didn't know anything about it. I wish I could hit a "reset" button and start over."It's weird, because that's the state I was in before pickup. Now I'm starting to learn how to "let loose" with my words, just say what's on my mind, and DGAF about what other people think about it. You are fun and interesting to talk to only when you speak freely. Pick-up lines, that joke you read online, whatever deliberated material you were thinking to yourself before the occasion to speak, will all sound "wrong" in a way that speaking freely sounds "right"; even if the canned material is in … | /r/seduction | 15/06/12 04:05 PM |
| 1 | Just got sent this in a text and without hesitation forwarded it to 2 girls. What is seddit's analysis?Well, I wasn't sure. I picked up on the idea of forcing IOI's from a YouTube video that I think throwawayPUA posted a while back. But the context of forcing IOIs is in a public space like a bar or a club, where you just go around making motions towards women, and seeing how they react without actually opening them. So I don't know if this would work the same way. I think puaCurveBall makes some good points in this thread though--it does seem very AFC. Maybe anymore whenever I see/hear people on … | /r/seduction | 13/06/12 04:44 PM |
| 4 | [FR] Text game with F-Close.When you're not sure if you should/shouldn't say something, say it. You'll learn if it's appropriate or not. Most of the time, it is. Excellent advice. | /r/seduction | 13/06/12 04:38 PM |
| 2 | [FR] Text game with F-Close.What's going on here is that the girl is already interested in OP. That's why she texted him out of the blue. Yep. The FR started with the girl texting him...so that left me a little disappointed, e.g., how did she get his phone number? How often have they been texting? How do they know each other? It's like we're only getting the second half of the field report; for all we know, they're already fuck buddies, and he's bragging about f-closing her. | /r/seduction | 13/06/12 04:32 PM |
| 1 | Just got sent this in a text and without hesitation forwarded it to 2 girls. What is seddit's analysis?Would this work as a sort of "forcing IOI" for screening women you already know? | /r/seduction | 13/06/12 04:23 PM |
| 1 | How Do You Prevent Girls From "Marking Their Territory" On Your Facebook?Thanks, that's sort of the way that I look at it. Really, FB doesn't matter. Either you make FB better by being on FB, or you make FB worse by not being on FB (and vice-versa for both). I somewhat think that FB can be a deficit, because if people are only inviting you because they happen to see you on FB, then you might think you're more popular than you are. But I'm not a college or HS student, so it's different in the adult world. | /r/seduction | 13/06/12 03:36 AM |
| 1 | Why It’s So Hard: Dating For Modern MenThey're all coping mechanisms, I guess. I think the seddit one is a powerful one though. They don't take the alpha thing seriously, it's really just a set of positive qualities that men generally look up to, and then turn around say this is what is attractive to women. It's a farce really, but whose to deny it's utility? | /r/seduction | 12/06/12 06:55 AM |
| 1 | Why It’s So Hard: Dating For Modern MenI know they aren't mine to worry about but there just seems to be a much healthier path in my opinion that could lead them to happier lives. I really don't know. Heart break is heart break. Check out /r/breakups sometime to get an image of what a lot of these guys (and girls really, it shouldn't be gender-specific) are going through. Is it better to love and to lost than to have never loved at all? Which is healthier? | /r/seduction | 12/06/12 06:46 AM |
| 1 | Why It’s So Hard: Dating For Modern MenIt's hard to read that stuff and think of the impact he is having on people. Maybe not as bad as you think. Usually as blogs like that become more political, they more and more start preaching to the choir. It's pretty much just the people who agree with it already who read it religiously. Everyone else is "oh, good point here; oh now he's being a nut; etc." Otherwise, it's mostly an expression of already hurt and bitter feelings. Some guy has been cheated on, breaks up with her, and is heart br… | /r/seduction | 12/06/12 06:32 AM |
| 2 | Why It’s So Hard: Dating For Modern MenSounds like you need to do something about your spitefulness then. I didn't write my post in order to attack or insult Roissy. In fact, there are a number of startlingly good posts on there. But, in my opinion, makes the mistake a lot of good blog authors make: Becomes an ideology. He wants to expand his scope into talking about politics and economics. He wills beyond his power, and fails intellectually. | /r/seduction | 12/06/12 06:21 AM |
| 2 | Why It’s So Hard: Dating For Modern MenWow, really? You're agreeing with me, but in a way that is immature and stupid. I'd rather people like you disagree with me. | /r/seduction | 12/06/12 06:08 AM |
| 2 | Why It’s So Hard: Dating For Modern MenWow. Pretty impressive stuff there. I do worry about the misogynist side of pick-up (e.g., the Heartiste blog). If I'm reading between the lines there, there's a lot of angst about women due to break-ups/cheating, and also exploiting male insecurities. In fact, the latest post on the Heartiste blog is a post making fun of an "omega male" (the lowest kind of man, in other words). But I guess if you objectify women as much as that blog does, then the objectification of men is a natural corollary: … | /r/seduction | 12/06/12 06:00 AM |
| 1 | Yo seddit, what's the call on body hair?Thanks for your answer. It sounds like you've always had social proof, and learned early on how to use keno. And I always feel like, once I put my hand on someone just once, I know I've got them. Learning how to touch with alternating periods of tenderness and force is very important. In bed too, you got to know when to be sweet, then take that away and be punishing. Awesome. Seriously, thanks for sharing. I think my problem has always been the opposite: a deep-seated inhibition against touching… | /r/seduction | 12/06/12 03:30 AM |
| 1 | Yo seddit, what's the call on body hair?I could always get girls seemingly without trying Why do you think this is? Looks? It just sucks seeing this from another guy's viewpoint. It's different when you do try, and get nothing; and other guys don't need to try. | /r/seduction | 11/06/12 05:28 PM |
| 1 | StopInteresting thought: No one is allowed to post on weekends! If you dare post, you will be banned. Don't actually implement this. But it's an interesting thought. | /r/seduction | 11/06/12 05:12 AM |
| 1 | The elements of Seduction; Attraction, Comfort, Sexual Interest - A brief overlookI think there's a difference between female friends and the friend zone. The girls who have friend-zoned you are the girls who have rejected you. I'm not exactly sure if there are any consequences to using these women as social proof or wing women. | /r/seduction | 10/06/12 11:29 PM |
| 2 | I made a (long) post about my thoughts on The Game and PUA in general on r/srsdiscussion, being as interested in feminism as I am in seduction. I'm also curious about seddit's take on the matter though. Thoughts? (please reply here, don't go intruding in that thread)Since it's a deleted thread, it doesn't hurt discussing it: I think in some cases they do conflict. PUA core value is entitlement, and feminism teaches that male privilege is a horrible thing. Seduction is heavily gendered, and there's usually a sense that there are basic essential differences between the sexes (women don't care as much about looks as men do), whereas feminism teaches against gender essentialism, or hand waves any generalized differences between men and women. But the above anal… | /r/seduction | 10/06/12 08:22 PM |
| 1 | Non-seduction applications of the alpha mindsetEither way, it's worth noting that she does have leverage against me because she's paying for my part of the rent since I don't have a job. Here's what you do, seriously. Get your ass looking for a job. If you have absolutely no job, then consider looking for a job your full time job. Here's the alpha part: Don't make a show of looking for a job to your roommate. You don't have to hide it, and be honest when the subject comes up, but always do 80% more than she, or anyone else, knows about towar… | /r/seduction | 10/06/12 06:44 PM |
| 1 | I'm pretty sure the confidence this subreddit helped build has transposed into arroganceSo what was their response to your comment? | /r/seduction | 09/06/12 07:20 PM |
| 2 | Some tips for beginnersGood post. This reminds me of this post over on the post masculine blog: In my opinion the best way to overcome social anxiety is through a combination of relaxation techniques and then progressively desensitize oneself to the source of fear and anxiety. So instead of going out and doing stupid things in front of 20 girls in one night, it’s more useful to approach five girls a day for five days in a row, with very simple and basic questions and conversations. | /r/seduction | 09/06/12 06:44 PM |
| 1 | Some tips for beginnersMost beginners have problems with ejecting though, rather than being in the set for too long, so at least try to stick in for 5-10 minutes. How do you know when you're in a set too long, other than timing yourself? I think ejecting early is probably a result of nervousness, which makes time seem to pass more quickly than it really does. | /r/seduction | 09/06/12 06:33 PM |
| 4 | The 3 phases of Seduction according to yours trulyI guess I read too much about this sort of thing: I guess at my stage of life, I'm interested in these sorts of ideas--of being an alpha male, etc. I think maybe it is definitely an age thing: You say you're older, and I'm a little older than the demographic here, so I think it's the perspective of age. There are your three phases of seduction in terms of ages: Pre-Seduction: Basically high school and middle school. Still learning about the girl thing, taking a load of bad advice from mom's, tee… | /r/seduction | 08/06/12 03:41 AM |
| 1 | Nice guys can finish first! Thanks for all the advice on here and for helping me get out of the friend zone and hooking up with my best (female) friend!Eh, you're being too charitable. I'm pretty sure he meant it as a slur. It reflects his own personal morality about women's sexuality, which he probably picked up from his family, social class, or group of friends. But the thing about people's personal sexual morality is that they have a hard time explaining to other people in a way that doesn't sound arrogant or bigoted, so they usually don't, and are just very vague and general about it. Strictly speaking, you're right though. On the other han… | /r/seduction | 05/06/12 07:19 AM |
| 1 | Nice guys can finish first! Thanks for all the advice on here and for helping me get out of the friend zone and hooking up with my best (female) friend!Well, looking for a relationship is a different matter, and yeah you need to be more stringent. | /r/seduction | 05/06/12 06:04 AM |
| 1 | Nice guys can finish first! Thanks for all the advice on here and for helping me get out of the friend zone and hooking up with my best (female) friend!Guess I got it from David Deangelo, and he just means in the sense that attraction isn't a conscious decision that women make. So many guys, like the guy that I was responded to, was making out like these women had bad characters because they were attracted to the wrong kind of guy. It would be like saying that I have bad character because I like large breasts. It works both ways too. I'm pretty sure that these girls that that he has contempt for are also quite worth his time. Maybe he has a lot… | /r/seduction | 05/06/12 01:46 AM |
| 1 | Nice guys can finish first! Thanks for all the advice on here and for helping me get out of the friend zone and hooking up with my best (female) friend!You're confusing. Yeah, you can be attracted to someone, and not do anything about it. So can women. Attraction just means, deep down, if she's honest with herself or maybe she just isn't conscious of it, that she wants you (or vice-versa). But attraction is just part of the seduction process. You can't make somebody attracted to you when they don't want to be. That's not what "attraction is not a choice" means. Maybe you're just not physically attractive to her, or maybe she's just turned-off i… | /r/seduction | 05/06/12 01:09 AM |
| 1 | Nice guys can finish first! Thanks for all the advice on here and for helping me get out of the friend zone and hooking up with my best (female) friend!How are they not worth your time, exactly? If you were in bed with one, would you really notice the difference? I'm just saying it how it is. | /r/seduction | 05/06/12 12:13 AM |
| 1 | Nice guys can finish first! Thanks for all the advice on here and for helping me get out of the friend zone and hooking up with my best (female) friend!Whatever happened to "attraction is not a choice"? But the bigger issue is that, no, many of those girls are worth your time. Your attraction doesn't just turn off just because they like the wrong kind of guys in your opinion. Absolutely no white-knighting...seriously. | /r/seduction | 05/06/12 12:12 AM |
| 2 | Nice guys can finish first! Thanks for all the advice on here and for helping me get out of the friend zone and hooking up with my best (female) friend!and stupid women who are attracted to arrogant rude jerks are not worth your time. This just sounds like a psychological defense mechanism. It boils down to "Women who are interested in guys who aren't me aren't worth my time." People need to stop making up these ideologies that do nothing but make themselves feel better. Here's a better one: If you're a nice guy, then you're always going to be a nice guy. It's just your hormone balance, your temperament, and your genes. The upside is: You can g… | /r/seduction | 04/06/12 07:40 PM |
| 2 | 20 Things I Should Have Known at 20Explain/examples? | /r/seduction | 01/06/12 09:23 PM |
| 2 | Great Book on Life, Women and Work for PUAs and AFCs and Men in GeneralI found that book...it's already in the wiki. | /r/seduction | 01/06/12 07:48 PM |
| 7 | I'll be your nemesis.Exactly. His argument falls apart into a million crumbs on this line: Please, take all of the vapid, plastic, drunk chicks. The ones I want to spend time with will laugh at you. Then you understand the difference between a rational argument and a defense mechanism. | /r/seduction | 30/05/12 07:59 AM |
| 1 | Where do I find Girls?You know this is probably the first time someone has insinuated I'm harboring anger in over a decade. Sorry, I inferred from: Words cannot express how much I hate this guy nor how painful it was when she left me. | /r/seduction | 29/05/12 03:04 AM |
| 1 | Where do I find Girls?Not sure. I'm going to review my pof profile soon. Two things I'm going to try are: Make sure you allude to the fact that you're going somewhere in your life. Basically, avoid looking stale. Avoid qualifying yourself. In a way, the boxes you have to fill out, the questions you have to answer in your profile, are shit tests. Women are going to read them as shit tests. And yeah, have a decent picture of you being normal, relaxed, and aloof. Nothing try-hard. I'll have to try it to see. | /r/seduction | 28/05/12 08:46 PM |
| 1 | Where do I find Girls?How old are you? If you're young, I think it's a good experience to have, getting hung up on a woman. I had my oneitis really young, and I've had a guarded heart since then, and it's served me well. I had very little appetite for months, but I didn't have the anger that you have. I suggest trying to develop contempt for both of them, but especially her. No resentment. You want her but can't have her, don't try to have power over her in other ways. That's what I mean by resentment. I also suggest… | /r/seduction | 28/05/12 08:39 PM |
| 1 | Where do I find Girls?Yeah, it is. It just doesn't filter out the timid, unaggressive guys the way other pursuits do. In a way, as a species of technicians, you're not actually calling the shots, unless you're an elite technician: a technocrat. You make more than your manager? If you don't, why aren't you the manager? As a programmer, you certainly have the brains to be a manager. | /r/seduction | 28/05/12 08:32 PM |
| 1 | Where do I find Girls?You're claiming something like a -> c b -> c : a <-> b Yeah, figured you'd misunderstand the argument. It's the same timid people who both become programmers and are unattractive to women. What's wrong with programming? Nothing. But if you're naturally timid, and have some smarts, and it's an example of an occupation where you'd naturally end up. Females are just fucking dumb and you're in denial about that. Hope that works out for you. Do you consider yourself timid? Honestly, I don't understan… | /r/seduction | 28/05/12 08:27 PM |
| 1 | Where do I find Girls?Look, if you don't want to hear what I'm saying, don't bother replying. This isn't hard to understand, but you don't want to understand it. This isn't "Oh, I wanted to be a programmer, but not a musician, boo hoo". Those are just appearances. Programming requires lots of solitude. Timidity produces lots of solitude. Timidity is unattractive to women. Sounds like you might be a programmer, so you should know logic. Complete the syllogism for me. | /r/seduction | 28/05/12 05:20 PM |
| 1 | Where do I find Girls?The original advice was to live life on your own terms. Yeah, if you're actually doing that. But usually people are just consoling themselves, engaging in sour grapes, or ego-defensiveness. If you actually live life on your own terms, I bet your misogyny will get ironed out in the meantime. I'll give you the same challenge I've given myself: Do something with your life that is better than women. Yeah, you can sit there at your keyboard, staring at your vim editor or your Visual Studio, and tell … | /r/seduction | 28/05/12 04:57 PM |
| 1 | Where do I find Girls?Which means that you need to balance your life to engage in either multiple activities, or in activities that are satisfying in many different ways. Programming is a specialty that requires expertise and mastery, and this sort of time and mind commitment comes at the expense of...everything else. | /r/seduction | 28/05/12 04:34 PM |
| 1 | Where do I find Girls?That's just a consolation that nerds tell themselves. It isn't the intelligence, but the interest, that isn't there. Why would anyone like programming? It is interesting in it's own way, but requires that every more satisfying activity has been ruled out. | /r/seduction | 28/05/12 04:16 PM |
| 2 | Where do I find Girls?With both hands: But why do I speak where nobody has my ears? And so let me shout it into all the winds: You are becoming smaller and smaller, you small people! You are crumbling, you comfortable ones. You will yet perish of your many small virtues, of your many small abstentions, of your many small resignations. Too considerate, too yielding is your soil. But that a tree may become great, it must strike hard roots around hard rocks. Nietzsche, Thus Spake Zarathustra, "On Virtue That Makes Small… | /r/seduction | 28/05/12 04:13 PM |
| 11 | Dating For Nice Guys: Getting out of the friend-zoneNice to see her flesh out what she means by safe/unsafe, which I wondered about last time. I think it just boils down to need my validation / doesn't need my validation. AKA, outcome independence, AKA be aloof. Good for me to read though, because of her examples. This has been a sticking point for me. | /r/seduction | 28/05/12 05:28 AM |
| -2 | [FR] Drunkpocalypse II: Campocalpyse (alcohol, injuries, infinite kisses, emotional moments, F-on-the-beach-close)I'm glad you had a good time, and you'll always have that: this experience to look back on and smile. And I'm glad that you have all these feelings of euphoria right now, and I don't want to put a damper on it, but the truth is ugly sometimes. What you're talking about, no matter how zen or how one with the tao your concept of game is, is not game. You had a good day, but you didn't improve any of your skills. If anything, it's set you back, depending on to what extent you've actually internaliz… | /r/seduction | 28/05/12 12:51 AM |
| 5 | Where do I find Girls?Go to all the programming seminars and tabletop roleplaying sessions you want, you won't find any hot girls there. This is true. The bigger question is: Why aren't they there? I've thought about this some, in general, and I think it's for the same reason why AFC's are there. Why do certain guys end up doing nerdy things like programming, and table games, and watching Star Trek? My answer: Timidity. Out there, with all the aggressive guys, who may challenge your manhood or make you feel inferior,… | /r/seduction | 28/05/12 12:21 AM |
| 10 | Let's compile a list of lines/routines for push/pull.I don't think it is useful to make lists like this. Better to study the concept and integrate it into your thinking. Personally, I find it helpful to try to understand the concept through induction. You could explain the concept over and over again, and I'll probably still not really have it down right. But if you give me a bunch of examples, then I'll slowly start ironing out the concept, as I can get a better feel for it. But yeah, if people are just memorizing routines, that defeats the point… | /r/seduction | 27/05/12 11:50 PM |
| 1 | There Is No Such Thing As A Bar GirlSome other people have said he is a bit redundant in his post, it should be self-evident that girls in bars are indeed just like you'd meet anywhere else. Dunno, I guess I thought the other way, and that's because of all the people, mainly women, who have told me not to pick up girls at a bar. Why? I don't know, the reason was always given suggestively, as if those are desperate or low-class women in some way. Yeah, I've been reading through a lot of posts on his blog for a while now, and a lot … | /r/seduction | 27/05/12 11:44 PM |
| 2 | [FR] Drunkpocalypse II: Campocalpyse (alcohol, injuries, infinite kisses, emotional moments, F-on-the-beach-close)So...was there any seduction going on? Sounds like you were drunk with a bunch of drunk girls that you already knew, and you had sex with your FWB. Your post sounds more like bragging than anything else. | /r/seduction | 27/05/12 05:33 PM |
| 3 | There Is No Such Thing As A Bar GirlAn older blog post, but I thought it was interesting, and wanted to hear opinions about it. Especially what the post ended with: Only suckers throw away their time and money chasing the elusive “quality girl” through events, classes, or expensive but socially approved status- whoring hobbies. Bars are free. I think he makes a good point about the way bars sort of filter women out: You'll find more confident and extroverted women at bars. I think it also depends on the bar you go to though. Small… | /r/seduction | 27/05/12 05:08 PM |
| -2 | Where do I find Girls?Just follow the rainbow... | /r/seduction | 27/05/12 04:33 PM |
| 2 | Is there a version of /r/OKCupid that's not just full of people whining about non-replies and congratulating themselves about their boring messages?Yep. It's interesting to browse through there to see evidence of what not to do, and to see seduction principles at work. There's a lot of bad advice, and butthurtiness in general, though. I think it's cool when I see a few guys on seddit who go on /r/dating_advice, etc, and help guys out who didn't even know anything like seduction exists. | /r/seduction | 27/05/12 03:14 PM |
| 2 | Asked girl out on facebook and she hasn't replied...I'm going to reiterate what the other guy is saying: don't call her out for not replying to your message. This will kill any attraction she could have had for you. You have a long way to go. | /r/seduction | 27/05/12 04:54 AM |
| 2 | Asked girl out on facebook and she hasn't replied...Best way of not coming off as needy: Don't be needy. It's only been 24 hours. And this: At first I thought she had ignored my message, However she hasn't posted any status or done anything that would indicate that she had logged on in this time. This. Enough of this. This is your needy state of mind talking. Work on inner game. Answer: Do nothing. Say nothing. Approach other girls. If she responds, respond with less investment than she has in your response. | /r/seduction | 27/05/12 03:18 AM |
| 1 | I've asked her why she has rejected me. Shouldn't I?Well, there you go. Pretty much the same thing that this subreddit says over and over again. Check the sidebar on being alpha, cocky-funny, body language, etc. | /r/seduction | 26/05/12 11:36 PM |
| 4 | Help. I keep making excuses as to why I shouldn't approach.She's too old...for what? You just want to talk to her. Why does it matter if she's married? Maybe she knows something useful. She looks trashy, but I bet she cleans up good. Outcome independence. Approaching women doesn't always have to be about getting laid. You're just a cool enough person that talking to women you don't know is just the kind of thing you do. | /r/seduction | 26/05/12 09:33 PM |
| 1 | I've asked her why she has rejected me. Shouldn't I?Don't understand. What did she say when you asked her? | /r/seduction | 26/05/12 09:28 PM |
| 21 | I'm that SAP on the bus. I'm not subscribed to this subreddit but it keeps getting mentioned in posts and PM's. Thought I'd give it a try.I'm saying this guy on this bus. He has a history of posting about girls on the bus he rides every day. It's sort of like his den, his comfort zone, and women occasionally have to enter his den in order go about their business. That's his substitute for dealing with approach anxiety. Not gonna work. Edit: I was just thinking about closed environments for a moment. There are probably ways of making it work, and socially cool people can deal with it. But if you're in any way awkward, it's too easy… | /r/seduction | 26/05/12 09:14 PM |
| 1 | David de Angelo describes the concept, which dramatically improve his success with womenOkay, so it's a long promotion for his ebook Double Your Dating. Is this guy legit? Is the book worth $14.97? | /r/seduction | 26/05/12 08:47 PM |
| 20 | I'm that SAP on the bus. I'm not subscribed to this subreddit but it keeps getting mentioned in posts and PM's. Thought I'd give it a try.My suggestion: Forbid yourself from trying to pick up women on that bus. At best, just have friendly conversations with people, men or women. I guess at one time I was scarily close to your state. You're looking for an easy way to combat approach anxiety, but you don't realize this is turning you into a creep. You can approach women anywhere, just not on that bus, or in any other sort of closed environment. You need to combat your approach anxiety head on. Right now, you're being too timid. Be b… | /r/seduction | 26/05/12 08:36 PM |
| 4 | Nice guys can finish first--a good read for fellow nice guys :-)I was a Nice Guy for a very long time, then one day, I went to the dark side, I became a Jerk, What prompted you to change? | /r/seduction | 25/05/12 05:14 PM |
| -1 | Nice guys don't finish last, boring guys do.Exactly. So many people are deluding themselves about the assholes who actually get lots of women. Either people think it's just sour grapes, or misogyny. It's not. | /r/seduction | 23/05/12 03:44 PM |
| 1 | Kino inequality - what gives?I wonder if it has to do with the idea that you're "reciprocating". That sounds like you're reacting, playing tit-for-tat with her. Hmm...things brings an interesting thought. You should be leading the kino. How do you do this? Of course, you can do this by being the first to kino. But another way would be by escalating. If she touches incidentally, you touch overtly. If she touches your arm, you touch her leg. Disclaimer: Untested. | /r/seduction | 23/05/12 04:07 AM |
| 4 | Excellent blog post on female perspective of the proper mix of "Nice guy" and "Unsafe" guyThis is really interesting stuff, but the only thing really novel in my opinion is calling it safe versus unsafe guys. I think the rest of it I've heard a zillion times already. But still, I'm not really sure what "safe" versus "unsafe" really refers to. Someone who is unsafe to society, that is a rebellious bad boy? Someone who is unsafe to the woman who adores him, an asshole? Or someone who is unsafe in a relationship, a player? I guess I'm not really sure. I think it boils down to being woma… | /r/seduction | 23/05/12 03:49 AM |
| 8 | My girlfriend's thoughts on gameWow, your blog post has nearly no substance. And you're talking about negging without any understanding of what negs are. And you're wrong, they don't work on girls with low self esteem, exactly the opposite. They work on girls who have men slobbering all over them as a form of disqualifier (you know what disqualifications are, right?). | /r/seduction | 22/05/12 05:01 PM |
| 12 | Dear Guys In Clubs (Mini Rant)I can't imagine a classy woman going home with a guy who came up behind her and started grinding. Can't imagine it or don't want to imagine it? | /r/seduction | 18/05/12 03:51 PM |
| 1 | Why "Be Yourself" is the Best AdviceThe ego, it seems to me, is what others think about me--not just my identity (my name, my relationship with others, etc), but the kind of person I am. But we individualize the ego--I reflect on myself only through the lens of how I anticipate that others see me, whether they judge me harshly or not. What you wrote in the OP is right: It's the ego that produces approach anxiety. I'm attracted to the woman, but won't approach her due to fear of rejection. It doesn't matter what her true purpose in… | /r/seduction | 18/05/12 02:31 AM |
| 1 | Why "Be Yourself" is the Best AdviceThinking about it some...I think the ego is fundamentally a construction meant for social control. Society controls us through our egos. I'd probably be a much less moral person if it wasn't for my ego. | /r/seduction | 17/05/12 05:37 PM |
| 3 | Why do you think the seduction community has gotten such a bad reputation recently?Because a good chunk of the seduction community consists of Dumb Misogynist Assholes (DMA). Yep. For instance, I've been reading the Heartiste blog recently. There's a lot of good stuff there, but all too much of the material there seems to me aimed at bitter males who can't get over a recent breakup. There, the emphasis is: The mythology of "the alpha male" there is that he's the guy who your girl was cheating with, or who girls cheat with in general. No matter how good you are to your girl, wh… | /r/seduction | 17/05/12 03:52 PM |
| 1 | Why "Be Yourself" is the Best AdviceIt's not just a feeling. Your testosterone levels lower after a rejection. It's a physiologically real thing; it isn't just you mind tripping because you've lost your zen. | /r/seduction | 17/05/12 03:39 PM |
| 2 | Why "Be Yourself" is the Best AdviceInsightful post. In fairness to the ego though, rejection does hurt--a lot. The ego isn't this horrible thing that has no purpose but preventing us from being happy. Otherwise, yep to everything you've said here. It doesn't really contradict the idea that "be yourself" is bad advice, you've just changed the concepts around. If "yourself" includes the ego, then "be yourself" is bad advice. My opinion: It's still bad advice, because it assumes that "yourself" is this unchangeable thing. We're all … | /r/seduction | 17/05/12 02:54 AM |
| 1 | Do women find intelligence attractive?Cosmic conception. | /r/seduction | 16/05/12 04:26 PM |
| 1 | Do women find intelligence attractive?Just find a girl that wants your dick no matter the size. Just find a girl that has never been with a dick much larger than yours. | /r/seduction | 16/05/12 04:24 PM |
| 1 | How to be Alpha, but still be niceThe whole concept of "alphaness" comes down to being in control of what you want, knowing what you want, and acting to get what you want. I just want to emphasize how important this is. It took me a while to realize that you have to go for what you want. Seriously. And I don't mean women (your life shouldn't revolve around trying to get with women). If you don't do this, you're going to be constantly compromising yourself, your goals, and your values, for other people. This is the "nice guy". "B… | /r/seduction | 16/05/12 03:48 PM |
| 1 | Going to go out alone without drinkingThere was a study that suggests that after a week of not ejaculating, testosterone levels increase 140% (or something like that). It goes down after the seventh day though. I think a lot of nofappers believe that greater testosterone in the blood stream makes you indirectly more attractive to women in subtle ways. I don't know if it's true or not, and the reasoning seems sketchy. But I think I'm hypnotized by the idea. I generally do better with women when I don't masturbate. | /r/seduction | 16/05/12 05:10 AM |
| 6 | Oneitis: What it is and isn't, and why it matters.Yeah, you guys are right. I just typed that out without thinking it through. | /r/seduction | 15/05/12 06:36 AM |
| 1 | Oneitis: What it is and isn't, and why it matters.Oneitis is getting hung up on a chick who you haven't had sex with. You are giving her more emotional intimacy than she is giving you physical intimacy. | /r/seduction | 15/05/12 06:17 AM |
| 1 | A word of cautionBingo. OP, "It's a trap!" | /r/seduction | 15/05/12 06:11 AM |
| 8 | When in doubt, radio silence is the best response.Sadly, this is the truth. I also think it helps with your inner-game: by sitting on your hands, you're basically teaching yourself to be non-reactive, even if on the inside you are anything but. If it helps, remember that you can never take back what you say or text, but you can always take back what you didn't say. If you're not sure what the right thing to say is, say nothing. And I dream of a level of alpha where you learn to communicate in golden silence. | /r/seduction | 14/05/12 04:32 AM |
| 8 | Should one look for IOIs before doing kino?I hate the word "rapey". I thought "rape" was all about drawing clear lines, know what is or isn't okay, and then someone had to invent the word "rapey". The word pretty much means "more sexual than I am comfortable with." | /r/seduction | 13/05/12 04:48 PM |
| 7 | How to turn the conversation sexual. Here are my tips and I would like to hear yours.The only rules are the ones you make for yourself. If you're in a relationship, then you've made rules for that relationship, and it's your job to honor them. But if you're not the one in the relationship, then it's not your responsibility to make sure someone else honors her own rules. This isn't hard. | /r/seduction | 12/05/12 03:05 PM |
| 1 | Just saw the girl I liked on GW...how do I proceed?That's just offensive. Offensive because you can't understand why someone would ever think what I did? Calm down, I'm not insulting you. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but that's not the same as an insult. | /r/seduction | 12/05/12 02:21 AM |
| 1 | A Note on Inner ConfidenceLike I said, halfway there. It's good to assume, in general, that you're right until you can be proven wrong; then, if someone shows you to be wrong, you respond "Oh, okay" as if it's no big deal. But people with a great deal of confidence don't usually work this way. You can't show them to be wrong, because their frame of reality is so strong, that you'll be sucked into agreeing with them. It's like Steve Jobs' "reality distortion field", and lots of extremely high-powered men operate this way.… | /r/seduction | 11/05/12 02:52 PM |
| 23 | Just saw the girl I liked on GW...how do I proceed?I'm sexually moderate guy(I'm not religious, not extremely liberal), who is also a virgin that has been saving it for someone special, we went on a date after I manned up and asked her out(thanks to seddit)... Really? Saving it for someone special? How many offers have you turned down because you are saving it? If anything you should be relieved: You've just found out that this girl isn't "someone special"! Be honest with yourself. For guys, "saving it for someone special" is usually a rationali… | /r/seduction | 11/05/12 02:31 PM |
| 1 | A Note on Inner ConfidenceI'm going to go out and disagree, only because you're only halfway there. True inner confidence is like framing: You create the reality that other people judge by. I've been reading parts of the Book of Pook, and he stumbles onto something insightful: How do successful men act with women? They bring the lady into their world. When they date (at the beginning especially), it is HIS date ideas, he gets to be as creative or dull as he wants. And she will judge you based on the world you are creatin… | /r/seduction | 11/05/12 02:30 AM |
| 10 | Chilling the fuck out and being a value giver...Heh, your comment sort of highlights what seems to be the paradox of being alpha. If you're genuinely a value giver, and you want to help the other guys in the group with girls, you somehow only end up increasing your own attraction. It's when you stop gaming--that's the game. | /r/seduction | 08/05/12 03:10 PM |
| 2 | Anyone else have trouble seeing themselves as sexually desirable?I used to be pretty fugly but I've grown to be a good-looking built guy with a deep voice. Maybe I'm just nto used to viewing myself in that light. I still see the socially anxious fat kid. Anyone else have experience with this? This is me. Difference is that it took me way too long to turn myself around. Now at 29 I'm the lightest I've been since my growth spurt. A female friend told me I'm about a 6.5/10, so I'm not some hottie, but I get my share of attention now. The other night I went to Wa… | /r/seduction | 07/05/12 09:47 PM |
| 2 | Why does a lack of interest sometimes drive girls nuts?Do you really want to? | /r/seduction | 07/05/12 08:26 PM |
| 2 | Is there an Alpha way to deal with a break-up?It is, but the point is to sublimate vengeful feelings into motivations that are more alpha like. I have my doubts about the advice, after a break-up, is to find other women; because I think then you'd be motivated by neediness. It's probably best to focus on yourself after a break-up, your other passions in life. Then when your passions fail you, and you find yourself thwarted by failure, it's best to focus on your love life. Never try to overcome women by women, and passion by passion; rather,… | /r/seduction | 07/05/12 07:34 PM |
| 5 | Is there an Alpha way to deal with a break-up?The 36th Law of Power: Disdain Things You Can Not Have: Ignoring Them Is The Best Revenge "By acknowledging a petty problem you give it existence and credibility. The more attention you pay an enemy, the stronger you make him; and a small mistake is often made worse and more visible when you try to fix it. It is sometimes best to leave things alone. If there is something you want but cannot have, show contempt for it. The less interest you reveal, the more superior you seem." | /r/seduction | 07/05/12 07:27 PM |
| 2 | Why does a lack of interest sometimes drive girls nuts?See, I don't think you really understood my earlier comment. You probably wouldn't have broke up with him if you thought you were handing him over to another woman. You probably had a good feeling that he would be alone for a while, and that's why you let him go. Note, this is obviously conjecture on my part, because I'm just basing my opinion on the scant information I've gleaned from your posts. | /r/seduction | 07/05/12 07:17 PM |
| 1 | Why does a lack of interest sometimes drive girls nuts?How's he doing? Is he still single? What was his history with women before you? | /r/seduction | 07/05/12 06:14 AM |
| 1 | Why does a lack of interest sometimes drive girls nuts?Funny how breaking up with him didn't exactly solve your problem. You're no different than anyone else: Trying desperately to interpret, and then justify, your feelings. | /r/seduction | 06/05/12 10:47 PM |
| 1 | Why does a lack of interest sometimes drive girls nuts?Not as I see it. If you're idealistic, foolish, and romantic about the world in general, and not just women, then it probably sounds negative. Women aren't the only thing wanting to take you over; and what exactly do you think men want from women? They just have different weapons, the will to power expresses itself differently. | /r/seduction | 06/05/12 10:46 PM |
| 1 | I was a 25 year old virgin and tonight at 27 I got two booty calls. Here's what I did!Online dating is sort of like fishing (har har, that's the POF metaphor in a bucket). You're really trying to reel in among the limited number of women who are on the site in your area. So it might not be that it is the change in your technique that has cost you results, you might have just run out of women for whom that technique worked. Probably the best fishing strategy is to keep switching the bait. Maybe a cockier profile will appeal to some girls, but Mr. Nice Guy appeals to other girls. I… | /r/seduction | 06/05/12 04:28 AM |
| 3 | I was a 25 year old virgin and tonight at 27 I got two booty calls. Here's what I did!Good question. I'm not the OP, but relating with him for a little bit, I have a different take on an answer: Weird is breaking the context, essentially. Weirdness is highly probable when you are trying to do indirect pick-up, because once you go from "I'm just some stranger asking for directions (or whatever)" to trying to get a number or set-up a date, you've just made it weird. The thing is, weirdness is incredibly subtle, and I can't really explain it fully. Once you've become more socially-a… | /r/seduction | 06/05/12 04:12 AM |
| 7 | Why does a lack of interest sometimes drive girls nuts?This happens to both guys and girls. Everyone wants what they can't have. The grass is greener on the other side. Yeah. I think this is also why women are looking for men with some other passion in life, because it gives women the sense that she can't ever entirely "have" you. Again, it's probably wiser to be the kind of guy that women tend to complain about: "He doesn't spend enough time with me," is generally not the real reason a woman breaks up with a guy. It's will to power. Women want to f… | /r/seduction | 06/05/12 03:49 AM |
| 8 | Still a virgin at 19You know, the interesting thing is that sex is really kind of mundane, I mean real sex. You find someone who is willing to do it with you, she turns you on, you turn her on, the body parts start getting ready for each other, and then you do it. It's been happening for millions of years. Animals do it. Insects, which you can't tell the difference between the ving-ving and the vahoo, do it. Your parents do it. Those idiots down the street with the annoying sprinkler do it. But we make it a thing. … | /r/seduction | 03/05/12 02:50 AM |
| 7 | From beta to PUA, couple of pieces of advice seddit doesn't want to hear.The best part about teaching cocky-funny here is that I learned to start turning off self-deprecating humor, which was most of what my humor consists of. I didn't realize what effect that really had on people. I got laughs, sure, but too much of it and it was at my expense. | /r/seduction | 02/05/12 02:34 AM |
| 1 | Club BitchesDunno...I think her bitchiness outclassed his doucheness. Maybe the only "high moral ground" thing to do would have been to eject earlier, once you lose your respect for them. But this whole scenario is pretty instructive, and answers a lot of "what would happen if" scenarios that we encounter when we do eject early. | /r/seduction | 01/05/12 03:45 PM |
| 2 | Just got this advice from a girl - is it truth, or bullshit?How is this advice helpful in any way? | /r/seduction | 30/04/12 03:19 PM |
| 3 | I was recently told that I act kinda weird and it pretty much set a bomb off in my head and it clicked why I may have trouble attracting women.What kind of a comedian? Cocky-funny or self-deprecating humor? | /r/seduction | 30/04/12 01:29 AM |
| 6 | My take on eye contact with strangers-I did the make eye contact with everyone thing for a while, and I think it benefited me. There was a cute girl at work who I refused to break eye contact with, and she didn't break eye contact with me, and honestly my vision did funny things during that moment. I think it's simply because I'm not used to doing that. I don't do this anymore, because I don't really want to make people uncomfortable, but I think practicing like that for a while helps me keep a dominant frame overall. This dominant … | /r/seduction | 29/04/12 04:36 PM |
| 2 | Why Women lose the dating game (or: AFgirl?)Thanks a lot for your comment. I worry sometimes that all this material is only for picking up strange girls and getting laid, but I think you guys have certainly spread your focus. I don't particularly care for /r/relationships because of all the hopeless romantics out there, and people with more opinions than wisdom. There's a worldly wisdom on seddit that I respect. | /r/seduction | 29/04/12 03:49 PM |
| 1 | Why Women lose the dating game (or: AFgirl?)Yeah, I get that. I've been working on myself for some time now, thanks in no small part to the guides and advice on seddit. I think I'm ready to enter a relationship with someone. I might actually not be all the way there, but this is definitely going to be a time for serious personal growth. | /r/seduction | 29/04/12 03:46 PM |
| 2 | Why Women lose the dating game (or: AFgirl?)I'm serious about the question, and I think I'm just about to enter into a relationship. Thanks everyone for their answers. My challenge is to become the alpha, once and for all. I know before I went back and forth between alpha and beta modes, and my beta was just due to weakness, habit, and just returning to a more comfortable state. Now I want to be her alpha all the time. Her personality suggests this: she does ride the tide of her emotions, and I think what she needs is someone more rigid, … | /r/seduction | 29/04/12 03:45 PM |
| 2 | (bald guy here) What to do when other guys rub your head and try to AMOG you?If someone rubs your head, tell him not to do that, it's turning you on :) | /r/seduction | 28/04/12 10:45 PM |
| 6 | Why Women lose the dating game (or: AFgirl?)When I did finally find one, I went into beta-provider mode, fell in love, and basically got dumped two years later. How do you stay alpha in a relationship? | /r/seduction | 28/04/12 10:40 PM |
| 2 | Unexpected observations on the road to becoming alpha...9) This one is crazy. You may not care about seducing women as much as you did. I realized I used sex with women as a way to boost my self-esteem. But when I finally learned to be okay with myself my need for outside validation disappeared. Now I still pick up, but because I want to have a good conversation (let's see what she has to say), not need to get laid. And when you approach a woman without any ulterior motive everything just opens up. Yep. | /r/seduction | 26/04/12 04:31 PM |
| 1 | I don't use routines, but GODDAMN...It's really not comparable like that. Women aren't barbells, and if you try to lift her like one you'll hurt her. That said, work on your compound lifts if you want to lift heavier women :) | /r/seduction | 26/04/12 04:19 PM |
| 1 | [xMODx] Next question...When I think of Alpha as being non-reactive, I think of the sense in which an insult, or disrespect, doesn't cut you deep in the psyche. That's the fundamental difference right there. Usually when people say that they are "standing up for themselves" or "not taking it anymore", they are really just trying to "get back at someone". Someone hurt them, so they want to hurt them back. It could be physically, but usually it's emotionally or verbally. This doesn't mean you shouldn't have values that y… | /r/seduction | 26/04/12 04:02 PM |
| 1 | [xMODx] Next question...People who actively try to seduce married/taken women are doing so full 100% selfish reasons, and are even prepared to completely devastate someone with their selfishness. Look, I'm 29 now, soon to be 30, and here's something I've learned: You have to go after what you want. You want to call that selfish, so be it, but it's no different from what you're saying. It's selfish for the guy in the relationship to not want other guys hitting on his girl. (And it is the epitome of patriarchy to think t… | /r/seduction | 26/04/12 03:45 PM |
| 2 | Grocery store [FR], with # close!Wow, good point. I know I tend to do this too, and all it does is builds up pressure on both sides. For me, I think it is when I start rationalizing to myself "I just need to wait for the right moment", that's when I need to escalate/ask for number. From body language, I sense that women often feel like "the right moment" has come and gone like three or four times already by the time I think it has finally arrived, which is always too late. | /r/seduction | 25/04/12 04:54 AM |
| 2 | [FR] Great first date with HB9, bails on planned second date saying she's getting back with her ex.Thanks. For some reason I thought that qualifying means getting someone to qualify themselves, not that you can qualify them. My mistake. | /r/seduction | 24/04/12 02:06 AM |
| 2 | [FR] Great first date with HB9, bails on planned second date saying she's getting back with her ex.but still wanted to qualify her a bit, because I realized I hadn't been. "Yeah thats too bad, I really enjoyed spending time with you too, you were great!" She's like 'what?' I repeat "I had a ton of fun hanging out with you. You're awesome!!" Can anyone explain how this is qualifying? I thought I understood, but I guess not. | /r/seduction | 24/04/12 01:54 AM |
| 2 | Got shit tested good at work - what a failI feel so humiliated now. This was the real shit test. I there any point in "manning up" afterwards? She's already seen my loathsome, nerdy inside. If I ever manage to man up somehow, she'll just think it's a facade. And she would be right. Be non-reactive. Know the difference between action and reaction, and anything you do in response to her shit test will be a reaction to her. | /r/seduction | 23/04/12 03:11 PM |
| 1 | advice requested: asking a girl out after a breakupAll's fair in love and war. | /r/seduction | 20/04/12 07:08 PM |
| 0 | advice requested: asking a girl out after a breakupPersonally I don't ever think it's right to go for someone who is already spoken for, even if their boyfriend/girlfriend is horrible. It's fair game unless they are married/engaged. Boyfriend-girlfriend relationships aren't marriages, and shouldn't be treated as if they are one. And typically, the girl isn't going to be single very long; and many won't break up without another branch to swing to. Basically, if you follow your narrow ethics, you're going to miss out. | /r/seduction | 20/04/12 07:04 PM |
| 2 | Stoic SeductionYou can kind of tell that the early Christians borrowed a lot from Stoicism. It's all over the Bible. | /r/seduction | 20/04/12 03:00 PM |
| -1 | Stoic SeductionUh...careful with that stoicism. You'll end up just purging yourself of all interest in women, since women are a sort of attachment. Stoicism is all about ultimate freedom (many of the Stoics were themselves slaves at one point or another), and if people can control you through the women you desire, then that's not a virtuous path according to them. | /r/seduction | 20/04/12 08:52 AM |
| 0 | hey guys, some things to avoid before you start your seduction..Downvoted, because I hate articles that are "Click to read the next paragraph." | /r/seduction | 19/04/12 06:08 PM |
| 1 | Followup: Advice from a 68-year-old natural whose wife is still dreamy-eyed for him.I think the difference is in the context. There isn't a lot of material on seddit that is about relationships that have been going on for a while. Most of the material is geared toward meeting women you don't really know. It all belongs here, but you can't expect the same thing to work in every context. | /r/seduction | 19/04/12 02:12 PM |
| 2 | Some consequences of the greater field of vision of womenI mean are you going to think about woman's field of vision when you approach her? That will be a lot of waste of time. No. I said: Don't steal glances, look at a woman only when you mean it, and assume when a woman is looking at you, that she means it. I guess if I boiled it down, that's what's left. | /r/seduction | 17/04/12 03:27 PM |
| 3 | Some consequences of the greater field of vision of womenThen how come they pay cheaper insurance? I really think greater peripheral vision is more use than spatial awareness. Poor spatial awareness just makes them worse at navigating, reading maps and so forth. | /r/seduction | 17/04/12 02:21 PM |
| 2 | Some consequences of the greater field of vision of womenSo you're really into nerds, but I'm not sure I'm your type. | /r/seduction | 17/04/12 02:16 PM |
| 1 | Pook on Testosterone, Masculinity, and Nice Guy vs JerkYeah, I think I stumbled on that the other day from a link someone posted here. Sounds like plausible but unproven science. I do wonder about actually testing my own testosterone levels though, whether I can do that cheaply. I also wonder how far testosterone levels change in a day, in a week, and so on. Like how the nofap guys says that after a week of not masturbating, your testosterone levels spike up. On a tangent, I know after really good sex I have unusual clarity of the mind, maybe becaus… | /r/seduction | 16/04/12 02:30 PM |
| 6 | Seddit, how do you come to terms with your level of attractiveness?My advice to you: Stop introspecting. All this bullshit that you've just written here, and I can tell it's been on your mind for a while, just stop it. The more you introspect like this, the more beta you become. You're telling yourself why women are rejecting you; you're telling yourself why women should be rejecting you. Bullshit. Don't let this become your worldview. Everytime you find yourself introspecting like this, stop yourself. Everytime you stop yourself, work instead on the following … | /r/seduction | 15/04/12 03:58 PM |
| 17 | I constantly feel like I only blend into the background of everybody else's life.Check out the book How to Win Friends and Influence People. It's free online, but Wikipedia has a pretty good summary. Where that book falls short for you, find The 48 Laws of Power. It's presented a little more cynically, but covers much of the same material, but is much more extensive. A lot of seduction principles applies to people in general, not just HB's. For instance, Law 16: Use Absence to Increase Respect and Honor. "The more you are seen and heard from, the more common you appear. If y… | /r/seduction | 12/04/12 04:51 AM |
| 1 | Awesome ways to get in-stateCould the cold shower work partly because it is said (but unproven) that it increases your testosterone? Maybe it has a similar effect as increasing testosterone. Dunno. | /r/seduction | 12/04/12 03:49 AM |
| 1 | Quicktips I find ImportantThat's interesting. I wonder what the effects of checking the time a few times during the interaction has. | /r/seduction | 11/04/12 02:59 PM |
| 2 | Advice from an experienced, natural 68 year old man. Never divorced with a wife who is still dreamy-eyed for him.Is there a problem with the batmanning concept that Batman was either solitary, or molded by his adversaries? Is that really the direction to go in? How many of us even have genuine enemies? | /r/seduction | 20/03/12 04:45 AM |
| 3 | Advice from an experienced, natural 68 year old man. Never divorced with a wife who is still dreamy-eyed for him.I wonder if Buddhism/meditation is really the answer though. I guess my speculation is to look in the opposite direction: maybe we just need more experiences. For instance, get into a fight. Okay, it sounds immature and fight club-ish, but you'd perhaps learn more in an actual fight than you'd ever learn seeking inner peace. Okay, it's still too immature. But you'll never know if you can handle certain situations until you have experienced them for the first time. It's like living alone for the … | /r/seduction | 20/03/12 03:17 AM |
| 13 | Advice from an experienced, natural 68 year old man. Never divorced with a wife who is still dreamy-eyed for him.Might depend on the emotion. Anger, by its very nature, is reactive. Better than not expressing your anger is not being angry in the first place. But if you're going to express your feelings, it should probably be in an outcome-independent and vulnerable way. Revealing vulnerability is actually a sign of strength. It's like how seddit highly discourages telling a girl you like her. I think this is good advice. But if you can do it in a way that is outcome-independent (you're not hanging on her a… | /r/seduction | 19/03/12 03:57 PM |
| 2 | Advice from an experienced, natural 68 year old man. Never divorced with a wife who is still dreamy-eyed for him.Does anyone remember the cultural meme, "A real man shouldn't be afraid to show his emotions"? I guess I kind of like the return to traditional masculinity. I'm not afraid of my emotions, but I'm not comfortable just pouring them out to everyone. Being Stoic and Sphinx-like is just natural to me, and it's comfortable to me. I generally think there's something wrong when people in my life can read me too well. | /r/seduction | 19/03/12 03:32 PM |
| 1 | Question to all of seddit: How do you deal with women talking shit about you or rubbing your name in the dirt?Your first sentence is spot on. You have to be okay with being a sexual being. That needs to be your frame. Your frame needs to be more powerful than her frame. Confidence. | /r/seduction | 18/03/12 05:52 PM |
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