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Oh yeah...all those ugly, poor, charismatic guys with no status...really powerful. I don't believe it bc just not true. If it was, this sub wouldn't exist lol
/r/seduction22/02/22 12:27 AM
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Yeah dude, go ahead and use all the antiquated buzzwords smh
/r/seduction22/02/22 12:14 AM
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Umm...no. How tf can you be interesting or charismatic if you're poor, ugly and have low status? Literally no woman will settle for that. Any moderately attractive woman would rather just wait until the Chad in her social group gets bored and pumps her before slumming it with some loser. This is more cope
/r/seduction22/02/22 12:09 AM
2

That's called moving the goal post. As long as you're attractive, rich or have high status, you can be a garbage, awful person, and it's a massive assumption to assume the only women they attract are equally garbage. That's cope. SO this only applies to ugly people.
/r/seduction21/02/22 11:30 PM
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I don't think you know what copium is. Good looks are an objective net positive. That's more important than anything that isn't status or money. Women don't gaf about height. They would take a short, good looking guy over a ugly tall guy 10/10. I'm not looking for an excuse to not bother, I already have it.
/r/seduction21/02/22 11:21 PM
3

This is some Mickey mouse cope chit. Tons of dudes who are terrible, abhorrent, awful people have women. Murderers, rapists, addicts, abusers, criminals, etc it just comes down to looks, money and status, no one, let alone women gaf about or notice how you are "inside" lols and most time they don't even notice it a centimeter away...
/r/seduction21/02/22 11:19 PM
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Imagine using the term iNcEl unironically in literal 2022 smh
/r/seduction21/02/22 11:10 PM
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They just want an excuse not to take action. Some women don't even like tall guys, or prefer a man near her height. Literally no woman ever prefers ugly guys lol. Face is more important, objectively.
/r/seduction21/02/22 09:57 PM
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I'm 6'3, but I'm ugly so it doesn't matter. Height is mostly irrelevant, it's all about your face.
/r/seduction21/02/22 09:36 PM
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Are you autistic OP?
/r/seduction21/02/22 08:59 PM
3

This is low quality bait....
/r/seduction21/02/22 08:54 PM
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you're Smh you lot use simp and "iNcEl" so often and ignorantly they no longer have meaning.
/r/seduction21/02/22 08:46 PM
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Yes, you're a troll, I get it. "pErSoNaLiTy" is cope.
/r/seduction21/02/22 08:31 PM
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Alot of us believe if we're not a 6 ft plus white guy with a sharp jawline and a bunch of money we're pretty much doomed. Unless you have chit standards, this is true nowadays. OLD, social media, and simps have ruined it for average men. Even just the moderately attractive women demand a Chad now.
/r/seduction21/02/22 08:24 PM
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Good for you
/r/seduction21/02/22 07:00 PM
1

Not if you're good-looking, have high status or rich
/r/seduction21/02/22 12:24 PM
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Ummm I'm not projecting anything. Women collectively ignore and avoid me bc I'm ugly...that's not me calling woman shallow as an insult, it's a fact and a direct observation in my case.
/r/seduction20/02/22 03:12 PM
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while the rest of us , drown in pussy Lol sure, guy. Congratulations or whatever. Up to you Except it's not, but it doesn't matter
/r/seduction19/02/22 10:08 PM
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Chad
/r/seduction19/02/22 04:58 PM
0

Whipping out a literal pdf to prove London isn't racist is the equivalent to "I have a black friend, so I'm not racist smh"
/r/seduction19/02/22 03:04 PM
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If only plastic surgery wasn't so expensive...
/r/seduction19/02/22 03:03 PM
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I wish women would notice me at the coffee shop lol.
/r/seduction19/02/22 01:04 PM
1

Right, you didn't read any of the post and you just want to troll, got it. I'm black, incels are racist af, genius.
/r/seduction19/02/22 01:02 PM
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By making a new topic every 5 mins, mirite?
/r/seduction19/02/22 05:33 AM
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Men aren't a hivemind, it depends on the particular man.
/r/seduction19/02/22 05:30 AM
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People don't just say hello to random people at a park lol. Idk maybe the east coast is just different, but people are closed off here and that just isn't a thing that happens...at least not that I ever see. No one ever literally just says hello to me during the day when I'm just out, so it would seem weird if I just randomly said hello to a stranger myself. Just be glad you don't have to deal with this lol
/r/seduction19/02/22 04:32 AM
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Lol that's never going to happen...Men are collectively too far gone. Espeically now men are so fem, confused, self-loatging, pathetic, ghey, weak and directionless that pact could never get any momentum. I just don't know how desperate went from fecking a fat girl, going to a bar or a strip club or even seeing a prostitute to I'm going to pay hundreds of dollars for a 30 second video of a fully clothed woman doing chores or sending thousands of dollars to a women you'll never even meet. Wtf hap…
/r/seduction19/02/22 03:55 AM
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Bro this isn't your brag blog. Take this chit to Twitter or something
/r/seduction19/02/22 03:49 AM
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Dude I'm a 6'3 black dude who wears mostly black...there's no such thing as no pressure eye contact if I'm involved lol. If I make eye contact with anyone there's automatic "pressure". If you make eye contact with someone you don't know or aren't talking to its just...kind of weird. And just sitting in a coffee shop trying to make eye contact with women seems awkward af. I already know what would actually happen: I'd go there for a couple of hours and not look at a single person, then leave. I c…
/r/seduction19/02/22 03:38 AM
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You're tall, women are approaching you AND you have an accent. I don't see the issue here...
/r/seduction19/02/22 12:37 AM
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Yes, you're a troll I get it.
/r/seduction18/02/22 11:12 PM
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First you're wrong, second that's totally irrelevant. Troll more.
/r/seduction18/02/22 10:50 PM
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Bro you literally made that post just to brag. Idgaf what your type is or your conquests or whatever. Go make a blog. My post was in reference to OP and guys like him who act like ratchet women are a different species. Stop trying to white knight abd virtue-signal lol
/r/seduction18/02/22 10:04 PM
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Yep Asian woman are white now lol. Stop trolling dude
/r/seduction18/02/22 09:26 PM
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Yep when I said you guys, clearly I meant every single white guy ever in existence...smh. Seriously, piss off.
/r/seduction18/02/22 08:55 PM
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Ummm...wtf are you again? I wasn't talking to you. Are you OP? No? So piss off. IDGAF what you like dude lol
/r/seduction18/02/22 08:52 PM
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You white guys are always fetishizing ethnic women smh. Stick to Asian waifus or whatever. This is bad trolling
/r/seduction18/02/22 08:25 PM
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Yeah, I don't think so...at least not for my brain. Imo strippers go into the cashier, waitress, barista category of artificial conversation. Those are women obligated to be there and seek compensation from you, so they have a motive to be nice. The dynamic with real women outside of the club circumstance won't be the same as they're not motivated to be kind or even talk to you like someone whos being paid is lol.
/r/seduction18/02/22 08:08 PM
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Ummm..you cannot disagree with facts. Race at times has literally everything to do with it. Your dating pool is exponentially lower if you're a ethnic man vs a white man. That.is.a.fact. Not just bc of racism, but also woman of literally every race who don't find ethnic men attractive, have racist or conservative parents, prefer white guys, etc. Like you can't try and handwave that away. You lot need to stop with the equality gaslighting and acknowledge your privilege. It's annoying af. Idgaf ho…
/r/seduction18/02/22 07:02 PM
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Firstly, fuck you for assuming my race. Clearly I guessed right lol Second, if you weren't a braindead incel dumbfuck you'd realise straight away that if black men weren't attractive to women they'd die out. A mild strawman appears. I didn't say black men weren't at all attractive, I said white men are able to cast a much wider net because many ethnicities of women won't entertain black men for a myriad of reasons, while most every ethnicity of women prefers, defaults to or at least accepts whit…
/r/seduction18/02/22 06:41 PM
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Lolno. It's even worse over there. London is segregated af. People are always complaining about the "brown people taking over" or whatever. The British may hide their racism better, but you're not fooling anyone.
/r/seduction18/02/22 06:40 PM
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Doesn't seem like it. Read the edit of his OP at the end smh.
/r/seduction18/02/22 05:07 PM
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His post needs to be saved as a reference for a simp handbook or something. His entire post was like the perfect playbook for a simp night out.
/r/seduction18/02/22 04:58 PM
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This. Speed dating isn't just rapid OLD swiping. The same people who succeed and fail there will likely translate to speed dating. It's virtually the same logistically.
/r/seduction18/02/22 04:08 PM
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Your race is not going to be a deal breaker I love when white guys try and tell black people what it's like to be black lol. Stop gaslighting. For many women, it is a deal breaker, and pretending otherwise is stupid. Many women still don't date outside their race, only date white guys, or simply don't find certain races attractive. Stop projecting...just bc it's not something you ever have to deal with, doesn't negate it's existence.
/r/seduction18/02/22 04:06 PM
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Being white means you can cast a wider net. If there happens to be any other race at a speed dating event aside from just black, white or Latin women, your chances increase exponentially if you're white.
/r/seduction18/02/22 03:59 PM
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Dude think about it from her perspective: you bought her drinks, followed her around all night without making a move, told her how great she is, and basically gave her a declaration of love via text. She has already received all of the validation from you. There's no mystery or intrigue. You couldn't have simped harder if you tried. You should've made her earn that drink, flirted more, or at the least held back some with all the attention and compliments. Save that chit for when you're dating.
/r/seduction18/02/22 03:14 PM
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Be a chad
/r/seduction18/02/22 03:07 PM
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You paid for her drink AND sent that. There's no way you actually sent that text...it's cringe af and no sane woman, let alone one you met at a bar will respond to that. Why did you basically send a love letter? This has to be trolling lol.
/r/seduction18/02/22 03:04 PM
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OLD and simps, too. Women are more shallow, particular, and specific than they've ever been and it's mostly due to dudes thirsting and simping over them. An even just moderately attractive woman gets so much attention and undeserved validation now it bolsters their standards to an unreal amount. Even average women expect Chads now.
/r/seduction18/02/22 02:50 PM
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It's the truth
/r/seduction18/02/22 02:27 PM
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I mean I'm not going to say I've never been hit on by a gay guy before but...I don't think I come off that way. I don't have feminine posture, I don't wear bright colors, I'm not flamboyant or any of the things you would see and instantly think "that guy is ghey". Perhaps the fact I don't approach or put any energy toward women while I'm super well-dressed might make some cross assumptions, but that's a reach. I mean that's the thing...I'm very aloof and nonchalant like just by nature. If anythi…
/r/seduction18/02/22 02:18 PM
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As long as you're white and attractive, sure
/r/seduction18/02/22 12:44 PM
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No. Have some self respect
/r/seduction18/02/22 11:49 AM
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This is bad trolling
/r/seduction18/02/22 05:40 AM
1

Be attractive, don't be unattractive
/r/seduction18/02/22 04:38 AM
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That's less than ten percent...also you can't really predict that it's 7 out of 100. What if it's 1? Or zero? Lol. Also context dude. If I didn't have aa or such low self-esteem esteem I wouldn't care about the rejections and wouldn't worry about the odds, but when every rejection is that much worse, no way I could get into the double digits of failures and keep trying
/r/seduction18/02/22 04:08 AM
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No, anticipating rejection is literally the reason I can't approach. I assume every approach I do will end with a rejection. I wish rejection didn't bother me, but expecting it is what's crippled me. Bc it hasn't happened in over a year. Couple that with how I've gotten virtually nothing with OLD, it's totally lowered my self-esteem to nil and increased my approach anxiety to the maximum. To mitigate that I try and look for choosing signals and IOIs when I go out, but I don't get them and that j…
/r/seduction18/02/22 03:32 AM
2

All stereotypes have some semblance of truth but they're not universal
/r/seduction18/02/22 02:00 AM
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No, I just haven't gotten laid in over a year. If you saw me you would assume I get action bc I've worked on my physical aspects so much. I just have aa and low self-esteem...
/r/seduction18/02/22 01:58 AM
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It's easier to just lower your standards tbh
/r/seduction18/02/22 01:51 AM
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Lol I couldn't approach during thr day if I wanted to. Nah dude I don't anticipate some huge, mean rejection or do I care about people watching or noticing...I just assume rejection. I'm not good-looking, I have low self-esteem and approach anxiety so I just anticipate any approach I do, leading to rejection, and said rejection would just tarnish my self-esteem every more.
/r/seduction18/02/22 01:41 AM
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You have to just be fishing for compliments. Even guys who dont find black women attractive would find you attractive, even just your face.
/r/seduction18/02/22 01:26 AM
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Lower your standards
/r/seduction18/02/22 01:23 AM
1

No thanks. It would be exactly the same as interacting with the white and Asian girls here in the US. A waste of time unless you're a "certain type". You guys project and exaggerate. Women don't just flock to you bc you're tall unless you're just really good-looking or white which I'm neither lol.
/r/seduction18/02/22 01:07 AM
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I would tell them to their face why it's just semantics
/r/seduction17/02/22 10:31 PM
1

It's semantics
/r/seduction17/02/22 10:02 PM
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Lol same difference tbh
/r/seduction17/02/22 09:48 PM
4

The tats, the glammy clothres, the bleached hair, the fucking around, hanging with musicians, etc. Where do you get "darling"? Lol
/r/seduction17/02/22 09:30 PM
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I wish I knew the answer to this. The fear of rejection is literally what prevents me from approaching
/r/seduction17/02/22 08:51 PM
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He's white, rich, a "bad boy", some people find him funny, tall and apparently he's got a big dick...This teaches up that if you have tons advantages, you'll get women lol
/r/seduction17/02/22 08:28 PM
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Ummm...Spanish and Albainans are white, dude. I'm black and aside from the small little sect of white girls who virtue-signal for black guys to prove how liberal/woke they are or the oned who watch too much interracial porn and want to experiment during college, all of the "plenty of girls", especially the high quality ones, seek and prefer white dudes. I guess where you live it's just vastly different from everywhere else.
/r/seduction17/02/22 06:45 PM
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1,000% true
/r/seduction17/02/22 06:37 PM
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I didn't say my case was special, but my drought has given me approach anxiety and low self-esteem. So no only do I have a drought, I've regressed and have no hope of ending it.
/r/seduction17/02/22 05:31 PM
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You don't understand, dude
/r/seduction17/02/22 05:08 PM
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I don't understand how being friendly could be considered creepy. Everything is "creepy" if you're ugly. As long as you're not ugly won't be an issue. IDK how "seductive" it'll be and 7 seconds is a long ass time for a smile but go for it..
/r/seduction17/02/22 04:58 PM
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I haven't gotten laid in over a year and it certainly bothers me. If you just choose to go that long and not have sex well...that's weird af.
/r/seduction17/02/22 04:45 PM
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Lol I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. I think the last thing I'll feel after ALL this time is underwhelmed. It's beyond frustrating.
/r/seduction17/02/22 04:40 PM
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I'm not a virgin, I just haven't gotten laid in over a year.
/r/seduction17/02/22 04:31 PM
1

First you tell me it's not thst difficult to get Laid, now youre saying people barely do...idk how this is supposed to help. That just makes it all the easier to give up lol
/r/seduction17/02/22 04:20 PM
1

Ugh...chit you're right.
/r/seduction17/02/22 04:00 PM
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Dude women aren't mystical fairys or some chit...they don't have a spidey sense. If so, how come so many of them wind up with sexist, abusive assholes? Because they're good-looking. The only time you have a negative or "bad" vibe is if you're ugly. That's just code for ugly. Just like "creepy" and "weird". People are pretty shallow and only "pick up" on what you look like tbh. If you're attractive your negativity gets explained away as being "mysterious" or "aloof"...lol
/r/seduction17/02/22 03:36 PM
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Bro...I basically do all of that. Lol I'm definalty not obese, but I'm not skinny either. I'm lanky with broad shoulders, so all my high fashion stuff fits me well. I can't do a lot of muscle based exercise bc my wardrobe is fitted af and even gaining a few lbs would throw it out of whack lol. I have long hair and it's almost always slicked back into a bun. And I literally already do that. I shave all the neck hair, and I only keep a stubble everywhere else. I have hair, skin and grooming regime…
/r/seduction17/02/22 03:21 PM
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If you don't have the look, you need to have the status or the money. It's simple.
/r/seduction17/02/22 02:16 PM
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Bro, I wear a slicked back man bun, pointed toe SLP boots, MCM belts, black nail paint, scarves and tie clips, tapered, pencil-fitted three piece suits, etc. I look anything but typical. I'm clearly not Mahomes level mixed but I'm on the lighter side and tall and lanky. I've been told my multiple people I remember Lenny Kravitz...I have a cultivated style and I know what works for me. It.hasnt.helped. Women don't treat me any differently or better despite my height, how fit I am, or my wardrobe,…
/r/seduction17/02/22 02:06 PM
2

At least you had opportunities in the first place...
/r/seduction17/02/22 01:54 PM
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As long as you look mostly white you're fine. And bc of the ethnicity you'll get exotic points or whatever
/r/seduction17/02/22 01:38 PM
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Tbh dude, if you're white, not ugly and in shape you'll have pretty decent odds regardless. As long as your standards aren't too high.
/r/seduction17/02/22 01:36 PM
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It only works if you're good-looking and or have high status. Other than that if you're approaching random women, you're just playing the lottery.
/r/seduction17/02/22 01:15 PM
1

Lol what?
/r/seduction17/02/22 12:07 PM
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It's not a choice. If you're successful with women then you can tune out the negativity...if you're not then that's all you'll hear. I can't have no women and have no success with them and just choose to be positive about it. Not possible.
/r/seduction17/02/22 12:06 PM
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I don't go around whining about my circumstance to random people IRL. I have some social tact lol. What brings about the negatively is how women totally transparent I am to women. It's not that I'm miserable to them and thru just avoid me bc I'm so negative, it's that I get that way bc they're clearly not interested at all.
/r/seduction17/02/22 12:04 PM
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If you have no success with women and they ignore and avoid you, you're not just going to have a positive mindset with them lol. You're just not.
/r/seduction17/02/22 12:01 PM
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Easier said than done dude. Approach anxiety and low self-esteem make it mind of difficult to take action. Not to mention how uninterested women are collectively.
/r/seduction17/02/22 12:00 PM
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It's relative. For some people getting sex isn't difficult sure, for me lately...it had been. Very much so. I'm not say I have it worse than everyone else, but I have it pretty bad and other people possible having it worse doesn't help me or anything. Like knowing that billions of guys can easily go out and get laid doesn't help me or make it easier for me to do so. It just make it all the most reasonable to just give up.
/r/seduction17/02/22 11:59 AM
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I'm not going to another country just to get laid. I'm not even interested in Asian women. I would take chances if women seem moderately interested.
/r/seduction17/02/22 11:55 AM
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Umm of course I've been trying to improve my face, that's the most important art. I already keep a close stubble with no neckbeard at all. Also I don't get the "regular" at a barber...stop assuming. I have long hair and wear it in a man bun most times. Idk what the difference between Tyrone and Jamal is and I feel like you just made that up, but I've already been working ln my face with the clean stubble and long, slicked back hair and it hadn't helped.
/r/seduction17/02/22 11:53 AM
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So logic and deductive reasoning are antithetical to this sub? Good to know...
/r/seduction17/02/22 03:21 AM
1

I can't change my mindset in regards to women if I recieve no goodwill with them. That's impossible. You can't be more jovial or optimistic when you're only ignored and avoided by them. I'm pretty sure that's the biggest obstacle here...them. I can't improve with them when I'm totally transparent.
/r/seduction17/02/22 02:53 AM
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Come on, dude. Deep down every guy knows if it's good-looking and just by osmosis people will let them know if they don't via their actions and how they're treated. Testing the waters really only reaffirms what you already know...
/r/seduction17/02/22 02:49 AM
1

What's you're point? That women are specifically shallow? Sure...all the more reason for me to not bother. There's too much competition and women have too high of a standard. Even the basic, decent looking ones. OLD, SM, simps, Chads, orbiters, etc have ruined it for people like me.
/r/seduction17/02/22 02:48 AM
0

Yeah and I know an albino hunchback leper with cerebal palsy and AIDS who's wheelchair bound and he only fecks 11/10 French supermodel scientists...Sure. Getting better at socializing doesn't somehow make you better looking and as long as women have eyes, that's most important.
/r/seduction17/02/22 02:34 AM
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Have you ever considered that maybe they’re intimidated by your attraction? What I mean is that perhaps they see you as such a good catch, that they presume that you’re out of reach Lolno I haven't bc that makes no sense. Women date up and usually approach men they perceive higher or on a better level...doesn't matter how closed off or unapproachable you seem, if you're attractive women still approach or at least give blunt af signs or subtle choosing singals. I rarely get any of that. Aside fro…
/r/seduction17/02/22 02:31 AM
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It's called logic and observing and common sense. I'm not scared to approach women, I'm just ugly and know they won't be interested. Dude every girl doesnt want a white guy Literally the only race of women that doesn't vastly prefer white guys is black women(and even the, alternative black women love white guys). White, Asian, Indian, middle eastern, Latina, etc all default to, prefer, seek, will only date or will at least accept white guys. That's not applicable for any othet of race of man lol…
/r/seduction17/02/22 02:26 AM
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Idgaf if anyone agrees, everything I said is true. That's the point.
/r/seduction17/02/22 02:20 AM
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This is cope. If this was true OLD and SM wouldn't be so skewed for tall, perfect looking white guys. Women aren't as different as people want to perpetuate. Just like most guys can agree on what an attractive woman is, women do the same with men. If you're some Harry Styles lookalike, women will pretty universally find you attractive. They have eyes. No woman is going to turn down a good-looking, in shape dude unless she's lying not to seem too shallow or she has horrid self-esteem issues and d…
/r/seduction17/02/22 02:19 AM
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Ofc women love sex. They're more open and casual about it than they've ever been. But they're also the most entitled, shallow, selective and particular they've ever been as well. They still have standards and preferences. If you're attractive then you have nothing to worry about in regards to approaching random women. If you're not good-looking...well..lol. Women want to get hit on provided they find you attractive. Maybe don't leave that major part out, it's kinda important.
/r/seduction17/02/22 02:08 AM
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The issue is I'm confident in other areas in my life, but in regards to women I'm not because none of my success in other aspects hasn't really translated to succes with them. I don't to anything bc of them...I dress well and exercise for myself and bc I want to, but when none of the work never aligns with succes with women how can I not have a lapse of confidence in regards them? I'm not trying to build confidence just for women, but my confidence doesn't apply to them.
/r/seduction17/02/22 02:01 AM
1

Ofc they're not, but I'm like the ugly version.
/r/seduction17/02/22 01:51 AM
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I look like a amalgamation of Lenny Kravitz and Russel Wilson, but ugly.
/r/seduction17/02/22 01:48 AM
1

I'm pretty confident in most other areas in my life. The issue is once it pertains to women. I don't wear what I wear or stay fit bc of women....I do it for me and bc I want to. But it's maddening that after all this time that doesn't translate to women. If I was some fat loser who left the house that would be one thing but when everyone says "Work on yourself and women will come" and they don't in my case, there's just no way I can be confident around when they're already refuted me. Even when …
/r/seduction17/02/22 01:48 AM
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Except nothing I said was wrong.
/r/seduction17/02/22 01:36 AM
2

Good for you, mate. Unattractive people aren't created equally just bc you do well doesn't mean someone else will.
/r/seduction17/02/22 01:34 AM
1

You're projecting. You may not like them, but in no way are man buns out of style. They're everywhere.
/r/seduction17/02/22 01:34 AM
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Yea sure. Good for you, mate.
/r/seduction17/02/22 12:26 AM
1

Are you slow? Incels hate women, simps worship them...you can't be both... And my comments are irrelevant. Women don't want to have sex with me bc of my face not my fecking post history...
/r/seduction17/02/22 12:18 AM
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Dude reddit isn't your personal blog ffs. Take that chit to FB.
/r/seduction17/02/22 12:14 AM
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Stop with the buzzwords. You people use the words InCeL and sImP so much they don't even have meaning anymore. The two aren't interchangeable terms smh. I came to the sub for advice but clearly that was a chit idea bc there's pretty much nothing here but amateur gaslighting, false hope and platitudes, copious amounts of copium and Incessant bragging. No real actual advice or assistance.
/r/seduction17/02/22 12:11 AM
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By working at whatever they were trying to be successful. To bad women aren't some binary thing I can objectively get better at lol
/r/seduction16/02/22 11:58 PM
1

Bro easier said than done. If women didn't totally avoid and ignore my existence, the self negativity wouldn't be so strong.
/r/seduction16/02/22 11:25 PM
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Lol approaching random women and attempting to slide into literal DMs is only doable if you're really good-looking and I'm kinda ugly, so it's not an option.
/r/seduction16/02/22 11:22 PM
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In reality, women only like looks initially. It’s when a man opens his mouth that will determine if she will sleep with him or not. This is pure cope. Idk what world you guys live in, but it's akin to fantasy. Women aren't agentless vessels that just can't resist the right mindset or wtf ever. They want a good-looking guy with abs who does fun chit. All you have to do is not be a serial killer. Unless a woman is 45 and she's done with all her slutting around, most any woman is going to take a go…
/r/seduction16/02/22 11:21 PM
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I'm not even saying you're wrong dude, but I can't and don't believe this as I've seen too much evidence to the contrary. Women have eyes, and they have standards, preferences and the like...Confidence isn't some magical charm that makes women forget what they want. A good-looking dude can basically get away with murder...he'll get chance after chance and all he has to do is not feck it up. Confidence only comes into play with you have to compensate for being ugly, and even still it's not enough…
/r/seduction16/02/22 11:02 PM
1

Confidence is created via success or positive affirmation.
/r/seduction16/02/22 10:04 PM
1

I don't think so. I'm not some guy wearing some flamboyant green and red suit or some overly jacked meat head. I'm a tall lanky guy in a black suit with manbun...man bun... look would work if I wasn't ugly.
/r/seduction16/02/22 10:04 PM
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Umm...I'm black. Random Asian women aren't going to flock to me no matter where I go lol. Idk how masturbating to simply your imagination is somehow not as bad as porn. Regardless, you're still masturbating and it'll still be part of the reason I can't approach women...
/r/seduction16/02/22 08:28 PM
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I'm way older than 16, and at least this is realistic and not just cope and false platitudes. I'm not saying "complaining" will make me better looking, but it is what it is, regardless.
/r/seduction16/02/22 07:45 PM
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Welp good for you, mate. You're a better man than I. I have approach anxiety and chit self-esteem. I literally do not have the fortitude to approach a random woman who isn't giving clear interest or at least some signs, especially if she's a different race. That's literally asking to be rejected.
/r/seduction16/02/22 07:13 PM
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Ummm...I'm not white, I'm black. Your reading comprehension is terrible. Anyway, congratulations and good for you. Thanks for the random, unsolicited bragging. Have a nice day.
/r/seduction16/02/22 07:11 PM
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I didn't, I can only speak for myself. I've lowered my standards and it hasn't help. That said, if you're ugly you have to compensate by making a lot of money, or having extremely high social status and 1,000 friends. I have none of that so....lol. I'm basically addicted to porn at this point. The most I can go is a week without and while it did make me honry, I still couldn't approach any women when I went out.
/r/seduction16/02/22 07:08 PM
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Well, it's great that you can force yourself to make attempts, I know factually it's not easy. But like I said I've done all the work I can physically and I look for IOIs, choosing signals, hints, whatever. I look for that and I don't get any...that's a clear indication I'm not wanted. There's no point in trying to approach when they're already letting me know there's no interest lol.
/r/seduction16/02/22 07:05 PM
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Dude..what part don't you get? If you're ugly you can't just choose what mindset you have, and there's no realistic point in talking to woman. At best I'll be politely dismissed. And you can't just stop porn if you don't have any women...it's a cycle.
/r/seduction16/02/22 07:00 PM
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Blind? I look for choosing singals and IOIs all the time. I don't get any. And I would try, if I got any IOIs or choosing signals...see the correlation here?
/r/seduction16/02/22 06:58 PM
1

Whatever bro, you're just trolling.
/r/seduction16/02/22 06:56 PM
1

Stop larping and gaslighting for no reason, it's irksome. Porn has no bearing on me getting laid. If it happened more often, I wouldn't have to watch porn lol.
/r/seduction16/02/22 06:54 PM
1

No, bc I have all that and it still hasn't helped with women.
/r/seduction16/02/22 06:53 PM
1

English, please? And whatever you say, mate. Some women want to fetish black culture and virtue-signal, and that's just a phase. After that, they're right back to worshipping white dudes lol.
/r/seduction16/02/22 06:51 PM
2

Then they're either really attractive, rich or you literally making all this up to prove a point. And and in cases that makes this totally moot.
/r/seduction16/02/22 06:44 PM
1

No I never said that, I said every type of woman love white men. That's as close to a fact as you can get.
/r/seduction16/02/22 06:43 PM
1

Yep, just bc you say you know a couple of black dudess who do well or whatever at a club, now racist, racial prejudice, and biases don't matter at all! You're totally right. Thanks so much, dude, you bs anecdotes totally just changed the entire scheme of dating and totally ended racism! Now all those women of every race who don't like black guys, think they're all criminals or thugs, have racist parents, or who only what Aryan men don't exist anymore. Boy I'm so glad literally having every race …
/r/seduction16/02/22 06:42 PM
1

Sure you do. Everyone has that anecdotal fat/ugly/black/whatever friend that they always happen to have to prove their point when they have no actual argument. Good for them, but it must be a black club or they're extremely good-looking bc at any club where there are white, asian, latin, etc women, most of them will always seek out the white dudes. Most of them won't even look at a black dude unless he looks like Mahomes or Steph Curry or something lol.
/r/seduction16/02/22 06:25 PM
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gratitude toward those who who are encouraging you and offering suggestions Where exactly is the suggestions and encouragement? lol. I see mostly gaslighting and larping. I don't dress "fancy" I dress well really. I don't wear gaudy green and red gucci suits or gauche LV belts. I wear minimalist, monochromatic, fitted, tapered suits, coats, jackets, boots, scarfs. I dress the way women should appreciate. I wear 300$ TF cologne ffs, but none of that matters when you're ugly.
/r/seduction16/02/22 06:21 PM
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Bc if I create the thread it'll just be full of guys claiming I'm whinging and a faux victim and telling me how wrong while I am giving some anecdotal spiel about how they or their black friend is like really deformed, disabled and a leper and how women just throw themselves at them or how easy black guys really have it or w/e. It would be full of nothing but gaslighting, not real advice. Also I don't agree with the quotations around blackness, but I can at least understand that...ugliness is a …
/r/seduction16/02/22 05:39 PM
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I'm not being negative, I'm being logistical. Nothing I said was made up. You just pulled the "women love black guys" chit out of the air. What I said was true and dead obvious. Being a black dude limits your potential dating pool exponentially bc of the sheer amount of women who exclude you preemptively bc of your race. Porn isn't real life dude.
/r/seduction16/02/22 05:03 PM
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Yes of course everyone has an anecdotal wheel-chair-bound hunchback friend with one eye and cerebral palsy who slays like there's no tomorrow and fecks nothing but 11/10 French supermodel scientists and that tall, perfect-looking Armie Hammer doppelgänger friend who women totally hate or whatever. Sure. IMO game is cope. If you're good-looking all you need to do is not feck it up, be a rapist or a total social invalid. That's not "game" it's common sense. If you're ugly well, it's not "game" its…
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:58 PM
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Stop watching porn, topical, trendy, overly liberal commercials, and Netflix shows. No, women love white guys. White women, Black women, Mixed women, Asian women, Indian women, Jewish women, Latinas, etc. Every ethnicity of women loves white men. There are no negative stereotypes, biases, or assumptions regarding white men. Women don't have to worry about their parents not liking them, etc. The only women that love black guys aside from black women are either ratchet or virtue-signaling white wo…
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:49 PM
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Either your pictures are horrid or your standards are too high
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:43 PM
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Whatever you say, mate
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:37 PM
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Umm...what? I'm going to just disregard that bit of trolling. No, it's like I said. I'm ugly.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:32 PM
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Well, whatever maybe she was having a bad day and directed it at you, maybe you're creating some fake narrative. Point is...a literal waitress does NOT play hard to get lol. She's a waitress.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:31 PM
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agreed , you need GOOD conversation and more likely than not you need them to be somewhat attracted to you on a looks basis , Somewhat attracted to you? lol. Women have eyes and standards and desires and preferences, too. Sure, they'll just talk to anyone, but if they're going to have an actual conversation with possible romantic interest, looks are very important. Hell, that's far more important than the good conversation part. ​ You could open your mouth with some cringey come on shes heard a …
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:29 PM
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Girls like height on the right body. If he's a good-looking white guy? Sure, OFC height is great. On a kinda ugly black dude? Now I'm just scary lol. Also stop with the "gymcell" and "mog" talk...you sound like a incel.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:24 PM
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I believe you're over-thinking dude. Literal waitresses don't play hard to get lol and I don't think she even cares enough to classify you as a beta male. Lol you guys read wayyyy too much into basic, random interactions.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:21 PM
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Lol it takes a hell of a lot more than "just talking to them"...unless you look like Harry Styles or something, or the girl is just ugly or older. If she's moderately attractive and not a sex-deprived housewife, you need way more than just conversation lol.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:19 PM
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Height is overrated unless you play basketball or something. Women don't gaf about height. I would easily trade away 5 inches of my height to just be moderately good-looking. The face is so much more important.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:16 PM
0

Bro this chit is for good-looking women who just think they're ugly bc they can't find the perfect 11/10 Chad. Not for actual ugly people.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:15 PM
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Really? Tinder only works if you're really good-looking and white. If Tinder was easy to use, this sub wouldn't exist.
/r/seduction16/02/22 03:55 PM
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I have pretty low standards. I shouldn't need surgery, I'm not grotesquely ugly and I'm not going after supermodels.
/r/seduction16/02/22 03:54 PM
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But i'm insecure bc I'm ugly. That's the point.
/r/seduction16/02/22 03:51 PM
2

I need to the answer to this. My anxiety and fear of rejection literally prevents me from ever approaching...
/r/seduction16/02/22 03:38 PM
10

Really? You list three millionaire actors. OFC they get laid...they're rich and famous that trumps being ugly or short. The point is if they were poor they wouldn't have women throwing themselves at them lol. Still, in comparison to their peers I'm sure DiCaprio, Ryan Gosling and Bradley Cooper get tons more and higher caliber women...bc of their looks. Stop with this "women aren't attracted to looks" chit. Explain OLD and social media then lol. You lot are delusional.
/r/seduction16/02/22 02:53 PM
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More news at 11. People want to pretend women don't have eyes and all they care about is "pErSoNaLiTy" and confidence and wtf ever. And those matter, but women will pretty much let you get away with murder and give you all the chances in the world if you're good looking. And it's not even a sexist thing, dudes are the same way but this cope that women "care more about the inside" is BS. Look at OLD and SM and you see the kinds of men women like, and they have more attention and validation that e…
/r/seduction16/02/22 02:49 PM
1

My AA stems from me assuming rejection. It's not that I gaf about people's opinion, it's just that I anticipate rejection and know the woman in question won't like me.
/r/seduction16/02/22 02:44 PM
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I'm 6'3, I run 5x a week, I have a legitimate interest in high fashion so I naturally dress really well, and I have hair, skin, and grooming regimes to the point of metrosexuality....hasn't helped my confidence one bit lol
/r/seduction16/02/22 12:46 PM
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I already know that's how it is. Lol I'm the one that said it. I have approach anxiety and low self-esteem...I don't have the will to fight through dozens of rejections just to maybe find the one possibly decent looking women who doesn't have Chads in her cache and would maybe settle for me. It's not worth it.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:54 AM
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Now you're moving the goal post. Before it was women dont want hot guys, now youre saying "they only want hot guys with a sterling personality". And lolno. Women will explain away all his negative behavior as something positive and makes excuses for him bc he's hot. Women and men aren't that different, and guys do the same thing. People put attractive people on a pedestal and essentially let them get away with murder bc they look good. But if you're ugly? You're automatically assumed to be weird…
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:49 AM
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Easier said than done
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:41 AM
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I'm not good-looking so there's no point for me to approach women...that has nothing to do with knowing what they want. The point is I do know, I just don't have it. Again, it's like saying "dude, all guys don't like big tits" sure, not literally every man does...but THE VAST MAJORITY of guys do. Women are the same way with a good-looking face and abs. The overwhelming majority prefer that on a man. Duh. No woman is going to turn a man down bc he's hot and has great abs lools
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:30 AM
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This is cope. This is like saying not all guys like blondes with big tits. Sure not all, but the vast majority do. All women have eyes and most women find good-looking men with 6 pack abs attractive. Period. Most remotely attractive women find attractive men...to be attractive lol.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:22 AM
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Women are shallow af irl too.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:16 AM
2

But it is. Anyone who's used dating sites or went to a club can attest. It is all about the Chads. Even decent looking women are gassed up by simps ap every woman expect a Chad now. Unless you settle for fat, ugly single moms, you have to be good-looking, rich or have 1,000 friends.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:12 AM
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It's common sense. You look for IOIs and choosing singals so you know it's safe to approach and that they're interested. Unless you look like Armie Hammer you don't go approaching random women. You have nothing to go on. Also being 6'3 and black is scary af to most women. Height isn't always a benefit.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:06 AM
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You're a bit slow. Choosing signals are subtle...not akin to wild animals at all wtf. Subtle hints that indicates a woman is interested and wants you to approach so you're not just bothering some random stranger who might not might not even want to talk to you. Or doesn't even know you exist.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:01 AM
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Uh no, I look for choosing signals and IOIs and never get any.
/r/seduction16/02/22 03:57 AM
1

They.arent.interested
/r/seduction16/02/22 03:43 AM
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Um no, I'm 6'3, I run 5x a week, I dress extremely, and I have hair, skin and grooming regimes, I have low standards and I go out. Women just aren't interested. Clearly you dk what an incel is.
/r/seduction16/02/22 12:26 AM
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Lol women have eyes. Women are attracted to good-looking men and prefer them. You lot need to stop with the cope about just being confident. Not to mention there's good-looking who are extremely confident and no girl is going to turn down that. With all the attention and undeserved attention from OLD and SM women aren't more shallow, selective and entitled than they've ever been.
/r/seduction16/02/22 12:12 AM
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Girls don't want to talk to me bc I'm ugly, bc I'm logical and make sense. I don't pursue them bc they're not interested
/r/seduction16/02/22 12:03 AM
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not every girl wants a white good looking dude 😆😅🤣😂
/r/seduction16/02/22 12:00 AM
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You suck at spelling. And social skills doesn't make you good-looking.
/r/seduction15/02/22 11:59 PM
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You're a troll dude, I get it
/r/seduction15/02/22 11:51 PM
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Must be nice to be able to be this ignorant. Stop with the patronizing. There is no "might have an advantage" or "might be slightly harder if you're ethnic. I'm sorry, how many times will a white guy ever hear "I don't date you guys" or have to deal with a myriad of negative stereotypes and prejudices? No, it's night and day and there's no "mIgHt" And there’s plenty of women who either don’t care or are into guys of a different race Faaaar less. Across the board. And in cases like that it's usua…
/r/seduction15/02/22 11:47 PM
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You just don't understand.
/r/seduction15/02/22 09:17 PM
1

...stating facts makes me jealous? ok
/r/seduction15/02/22 09:11 PM
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That's just some weird rationalisation you tell yourself. It just seems like you're simping for white guys. Nothing I said was incorrect. ​ First, not nearly every woman of every race prefers white This is purely semantics. It's the overwhelming majority. Aside from black women, the majority of every women of every ethnicity prefers white men. I'm not saying literally every woman, but the majority of them accounting for every race. ​ Second, white men can still be seen creepy/thug/criminal. Thir…
/r/seduction15/02/22 08:50 PM
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...because it absolutely matters. IDK why you lot want to pretend everything is totally equal and fair for everyone. That's condescending af. White men can just go approach women most anywhere and not be deemed a criminal, thug, terrorist, etc. Not to mention nearly every race of women on the planet prefers, likes, or at least tolerates white men. How can you not bring that into it?
/r/seduction15/02/22 07:49 PM
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I'm not taking the bait here, dude.
/r/seduction15/02/22 07:44 PM
1

I'm glad it worked out for you dude. But if it was that easy everyone would be dating hot, French ballerinas. Women aren't that different. Men usually find the same kind of women attractive, and so do women. One dude winning the lottery doesn't somehow make me believe I will lol.
/r/seduction15/02/22 07:44 PM
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...it's not a good option if you don't have it, that's the point. Reaching the top of the aisle at the grocery store is a great option...if you're tall enough. If not, then it's just not an "option". ​ That's not the same. Before you apply to Harvard you already know if you actually have a chance. You were either on the cusp, or you're just delusional and had no realistic shot. And if it's the former, you would know to apply to Princeton, Stanford, Yale, etc bc that's the league you're in, and y…
/r/seduction15/02/22 07:16 PM
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To me, rejection is rejection. If I would approach a girl, it means I find her attractive....some arbitrary numerical scale doesn't somehow alter that and soften the blow if she looks different. It's great that you got pulled some hot IG model or whatever...like congrats and all, but I don't want that. I literally just want a cute girl to settle for me, and I can't get that lol. Attempting to get anything beyond that is just delusional. You lot should stop with the projecting.
/r/seduction15/02/22 06:27 PM
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Depends on how attractive you are tbh...If you're tall, white, good-looking...literally anywhere.
/r/seduction15/02/22 05:55 PM
1

Sure if you're hot
/r/seduction15/02/22 03:19 PM
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I do believe that women are fickle, but confessing your love to her like some simp beta was a really bad move and doesn't really prove anything. A grand confession only puts them on the spot and makes it weird af. Now, the crux: she told me that she just got out of a toxic relationship and that she could never ever have feelings for anyone. she couldn’t even think of anyone in that way. thus, she was not ready to be in a relationship with anyone. she gave me super super deep reasons for this. Lo…
/r/seduction15/02/22 01:56 PM
1

Even just saying "hello" for me is just...I mean I can talk to guys with no problem, but when it's a woman I find remotely attractive, all I can do is avoid. Drinking hardly helps. For me, even when I'm drunk I'm no more willing to approach. My anxiety just trumps the alcohol.
/r/seduction15/02/22 01:34 PM
1

Perhaps desensitizing yourself to the rejection may help...I mean it can only help. In my case, with my low self-esteem that just isn't possible. I'd just get too depressed after the first rejection lol.
/r/seduction15/02/22 01:31 PM
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I can't approach sober or while drinking smh
/r/seduction15/02/22 12:29 PM
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I totally get in my own way. I always assume she won't find me attractive and that I'm bothering her. I just over-analyze the reasons she won't be interested and I psych myself out of taking action.
/r/seduction15/02/22 12:27 PM
2

I have pretty meager standards and I still can't approach any woman I find attractive under any circumstances lol
/r/seduction15/02/22 12:21 PM
1

I deal with rejection by never approaching in the first place lol
/r/seduction15/02/22 11:55 AM
2

I literally avert gaze the moment I lock eyes with a woman. It's relexes I can't even help it. I just always assume it was a accidental eye meet.
/r/seduction14/02/22 02:50 PM
0

Sure if you're good-looking
/r/seduction14/02/22 12:22 PM
1

I just avoid beautiful women altogether. Too high standards too much competition. But women on general are more shallow and selected than ever.
/r/seduction14/02/22 12:19 PM
1

Lol OK. Good for you Casanova 👍
/r/seduction14/02/22 02:53 AM
3

Lols whatever you say dude.
/r/seduction13/02/22 11:08 PM
2

Ummm...good for him? One dude getting a layup doesn't negate how much more difficult it is for most men in comparison to how easy it is for females especially if you're a guy who isn't overly attractive.
/r/seduction13/02/22 11:06 PM
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Ofc it's easier...you're a woman. All you have to do is exist lol.
/r/seduction13/02/22 10:54 PM
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What's LMS? And this isn BS it's logic. I have to be aware of the competition bc I have no choice. With so many social media outlets and with how much women rely on them, I have no choice. Every women has a cache or guys, and if she's remotely attractive she's going to have high status guys and Chads right there waiting. If you can't compete with that...it's poontless to attempt. I can't even get my foot in the door, and even if I could it's just a matter of time before she gets bored an move on…
/r/seduction13/02/22 09:21 PM
0

Literally everything in my post is true.
/r/seduction13/02/22 09:19 PM
1

It's not a mindset, it's facts.
/r/seduction13/02/22 09:18 PM
0

Dude, stop with the regurgitated false platitudes that mean literally nothing. The issue is I was born in thr wrong era lol. Women are more selective and shallow now and if you're not good enough to meet those bloated expectations, you fail.
/r/seduction13/02/22 09:17 PM
3

Yea, just say 'bitches'
/r/seduction13/02/22 05:00 PM
1

This
/r/seduction13/02/22 04:47 PM
1

Idgaf what most guys are doing lol. That has no bearing on me. If you want to know what most guys are doing, conduct a survey. Guys who are getting laid either have low standards, a high social circle or they're exceptional in some way. Hence all the simps these days.
/r/seduction13/02/22 04:22 PM
0

Ones with approach anxiety and low self-esteem who aren't good looking or rich don't.
/r/seduction13/02/22 04:20 PM
2

It is.
/r/seduction13/02/22 04:07 PM
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Lol that's cope. Women don't gaf about your best when there's dozens of guys in her DMs and Tinder page better than you in every aspect. Lol I've already lowered my standards as much as realistically possible. I dont even want a hot or pretty woman bc I'm not delusional. Again, if the women is even just average, she has a myriad of guys telling her she's beautiful or w/e all the time so she has this artificial ego now.
/r/seduction13/02/22 03:55 PM
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Like I said, I'm not good-looking or rich. Women are more shallow than they've even been with OLD and MD and simps and orbiters and all the attention and validation they get undeservedly. And the 80/20 rule is totally a thing. It's practically impossible to get even just a moderately attractive woman unless you're exceptional in some way.
/r/seduction13/02/22 03:52 PM
6

Unless you're good-looking and or rich or high status or you have low standards...yes it very much is. Too much competition.
/r/seduction13/02/22 03:33 PM
2

More guts than I have dude. Congratulations!
/r/seduction13/02/22 05:18 AM
16

I know the feeling, but it's such a trap. I would watch porn if I had a woman, but it would probably be easier if I did watch so much porn. It sucks...I just want a woman again so bad but porn is so easy and accessible...
/r/seduction13/02/22 01:53 AM
1

I'm 29 and haven't gotten laid in a year and a half lol
/r/seduction12/02/22 02:10 AM
0

I mean, I legitimately have an interest in high fashion, so I just always dress really, really well and I wear 300$ TF cologne in additon to running 5x a week and having skin, hair, and grooming regimes. Nothing more I can do in that regard lol. I do have severe RBF though... ​ ...I mean...it seems pretty true to me lol
/r/seduction11/02/22 07:39 PM
0

No, bc of your original message, duh.
/r/seduction11/02/22 06:03 PM
4

This. Bang her friends.
/r/seduction11/02/22 06:00 PM
0

All the women on dating sites do it irl you think I care that guy on reddit does bc he's and entitled pleb who doesn't recognize his privilege lol
/r/seduction11/02/22 05:04 PM
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"Creepy" and "weird" are just code for ugly. I'm a 6'3 black guy and I'm not particularly good-looking...I'm going to be deemed unwanted regardless. The issue is even just starting out with some banal or simple like an opener as you said, only lends itself to escalation if you're good-looking. Other wise the interaction just dies after you make the initial comment or request bc you're a random stranger she knows feck all about and she likely doesn't want to be bothered. ​ try making conversation…
/r/seduction11/02/22 04:21 PM
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lol I can't approach a drunk woman at a bar a night, no way i'd even consider being called some wEiRd CrEeP during the day by some random woman
/r/seduction11/02/22 03:38 PM
1

Go.to.therapy.
/r/seduction11/02/22 01:44 PM
0

Dude really? You still have literally EVERY other race to swipe on. If you're black, you don't have any race to swipe on bc they all ignore you. Man, you people are entitled af smh
/r/seduction11/02/22 11:31 AM
0

You're fooling yourself if you think DiCaprio has significant looks Loool stopped reading there. I already know the rest of this post is going to OD on pure copium
/r/seduction11/02/22 03:22 AM
-2

Yea and I know a hunchback leper with one eye who only dates 12/10 French scientist supermodels
/r/seduction11/02/22 01:43 AM
0

The "just be yourself" chit is pure cope and helps no one.
/r/seduction10/02/22 11:37 PM
1

It's an absolutely true belief as I can attest...
/r/seduction10/02/22 07:30 PM
-1

Yawn. Yep, I should just sit here and pretend I'm not at a severe disadvantage bc some people are horrible at accepting their privilege? Uh no, gtfo, I see how fecked the system is, I'm the one that has to suffer the severe detriment, I'm not going to not mention bc you lot are butthurt af lol.
/r/seduction10/02/22 07:04 PM
0

Yeah, you have no rebuttal for facts. I get it.
/r/seduction10/02/22 06:30 PM
-5

Ok let's see, the vast majority of women of every ethnicity are going to default, prefer or at least entertain white men. No other race of men can say that. You lot can cast a much, much, MUCH wider net and you don't have to worry about bias or negatives stereotypes preventing you from even getting a chance. And white features are considered the most attractive buy most every ethnicity of women. Literally all a white guy has to be is be average looking, be in shape, and take decent pictures. You…
/r/seduction10/02/22 06:10 PM
-3

What do you mean?
/r/seduction10/02/22 06:02 PM
-5

You must be grotesquely ugly then...you guys have such an advantage there
/r/seduction10/02/22 05:20 PM
-9

Either your standards are too high or you have horrid pictures.
/r/seduction10/02/22 05:03 PM
-2

They're all great if you're white, they all suck if you're not.
/r/seduction10/02/22 04:51 PM
1

This topic is made here everyday...jesus
/r/seduction10/02/22 03:52 PM
3

Be a Chad or you're fecked. More news at 11
/r/seduction10/02/22 03:05 PM
2

I wish I could get dates to ruin lol
/r/seduction10/02/22 01:40 PM
0

Good for you
/r/seduction10/02/22 05:29 AM
1

I wish I could have that mentality...like even half that strongly. But you needs tons of confidence to operate they way...
/r/seduction10/02/22 02:25 AM
-10

but it can happen for anyone willing to put in the work No. It cannot. You're projecting.
/r/seduction10/02/22 01:47 AM
4

Congratulations
/r/seduction10/02/22 01:23 AM
2

Bro, asking girls AT NIGHT is creepier than during the day. They can be more sure that you won’t attack them in broad daylight than they would at night. Yea, if you're like hiding behind bushes pouncing out on women on lurking behind them in alleys or something. But not if you're at bars or club bc they're at least expecting to be approached there... Besides, if your experience of girls is heavily leaning towards night, you’re missing out on a lot of daytime interaction. That's probably a good t…
/r/seduction10/02/22 01:07 AM
12

Sure, if you're just really good-looking.
/r/seduction10/02/22 12:52 AM
1

A week for me is like a month to the average person
/r/seduction09/02/22 11:13 PM
-1

No, I just went a week without doing it and it mattered feck all. Please don't listen to the cult members yelling you that you'll get super powers and see through walls and chit.
/r/seduction09/02/22 10:55 PM
1

Feels bad man
/r/seduction09/02/22 10:51 PM
1

I'm no expert and never said I was. I'm logical is all. Any moderately attractive woman has so much aforementioned attention, validation and options at all times it's pointless to try and penetrate that as a literal stranger unless you're really attractive. Like there's literally no point. I literally have better odds at being stuck by lightning. If I was white and good-looking? Yeah, it might be worth it to try.
/r/seduction09/02/22 10:25 PM
1

Context matters mate. Women at least expect to get approached at bars at night and some of them want to be...by a good-looking guy, anyway. Women have been conditioned not to be cold approached anymore...especially during the day. It's not the 50s anymore. They get all the attention and validation from OLD, SM, simps, their social circle, orbiters, etc. They're more shallow and selective than they've ever been and they'd rather siphon from their online options than have some total rando they don…
/r/seduction09/02/22 06:59 PM
1

Of course not. If you're white, a seven in the face and ripped, you'll get women regardless. What I said was in a looksmatch with a guy that's taller, most women will choose the taller guy. But I can attest being ugly is worst than anything, even if you're tall...so you're all good.
/r/seduction09/02/22 06:24 PM
3

If you're white and good-looking and you're not successful in dating, you're either lazy or your standards are too high, tbh.
/r/seduction09/02/22 06:18 PM
1

So what's the fecking point of asking? Again, it's just like comparing two equally pretty women and one has bigger tits...who do you think most men would choose? Ofc most women wouldn't choose a shorter guy if their looks are basically equal unless they just hate tall guys. There's literally no reason to. Duh.
/r/seduction09/02/22 06:10 PM
2

Lol bro you cant count. I'd be 5'7, and that would be just fine. A woman will take a shorter good-looking guy over a tall, ugly one 10/10.
/r/seduction09/02/22 05:58 PM
1

Why is the same topic regurgitated here everyday? Women don't gaf about height if you're good-looking. Height is like big boobs on a woman. It's in an auxiliary aspect, but there's more important factors. I'm 6'3 and I could literally trade away 4 inches of my height to be good-looking. You only have to be taller than her. Also consider some women don't even like tall guys, yet every woman wants a handsome man.
/r/seduction09/02/22 05:52 PM
5

I don't bc that never happens to me lol
/r/seduction09/02/22 05:02 PM
4

Well I didn't say I was good-looking...I don't think I'm grotesquely ugly, but if I was good-looking(or just white) along with my other attributes, women would just come to me. And no, I'm black.
/r/seduction09/02/22 04:43 PM
2

Lol more power to you dude, but this is horrid advice. Going and trying to flirt with random women during the day who haven't displayed clear intetest is totally adverse to success for the vast majority of dudes...
/r/seduction09/02/22 04:41 PM
2

No, I use logic. I look for IOIs and choosing signals...I'm a 6'3 black guy, I can't just approach random women in public w/o knowing they're interested. Yet I never get signals or IOIs so....
/r/seduction09/02/22 04:00 PM
1

Good for you. Congratulations. But flirting with some random, sober women during the day is totally pointless unless you're really attractive or what to be called weird or creepy.
/r/seduction09/02/22 03:38 PM
3

lol if it was that easy, this sub wouldn't exist. Approaching and them demonstrating romantic interest in a literal stranger at a coffee shop is just...ugh.
/r/seduction09/02/22 02:54 PM
1

Yep, go over to a stranger in a coffee shop and tell her you want to feck. I'm sure it'll go over well!!....smh.
/r/seduction09/02/22 02:36 PM
8

Feel bad, bro
/r/seduction09/02/22 12:10 PM
5

Now if only I had women to flirt with...lol
/r/seduction09/02/22 12:06 PM
1

The first of half of that I agree with. If you're black and not super lightskinned, you're pretty screwed.
/r/seduction09/02/22 02:46 AM
1

I've felt like this for the past two years and I just turned 29. I've done all I can to maximize my physical potential...I run 5x a week, I have a great wardrobe, I'm 6'3, I groom and have hair, skin and grooming regimen, etc but it still hasn't help my confidence and talking to women is still impossible and I'm too ugly and boring for OLD. I don't think some people realize how hopeless it is for some of us, and how pointless all the work and improvement is if you're not just good-looking...
/r/seduction09/02/22 02:38 AM
83

I'm tall, in shape, not really ugly, and I dress well and I'm not successful with any of them lol
/r/seduction08/02/22 11:38 PM
1

Literally this. Just make it easy for the dude. That's jt.
/r/seduction08/02/22 11:20 PM
1

Whatever you say dude. Glad it randomly worked out for you...doesn't work that way for most of us.
/r/seduction08/02/22 07:50 PM
1

Except with OLD and SM even average looking women are super gassed up with tons of undeserved validation and attention from bored Chads, orbiters and simps. Women's standards are high than they've ever been now. They're more selective, shallow and particular than ever before. It's just cope to think some woman will settle for me bc she's feels uglier next to some other women when there's hundreds of calling her hot on IG and tinder lol. Sure, bro. Good for you and all the models you're banging o…
/r/seduction08/02/22 06:49 PM
1

You literally just said it is simple. But it's bot, unless you already have that confidence...
/r/seduction08/02/22 06:37 PM
0

but if you think that you are not good enough for them, that'll make them think the same way. Uh no. The issue is they already feel that way, dude.
/r/seduction08/02/22 06:31 PM
1

If it was, this sub wouldn't exist
/r/seduction08/02/22 06:07 PM
1

Yes, sure, anyone could literally get girls. I could go get some really ugly fat girl, but I'm not *really* ugly or fat so I shouldn't have to settle for that is my point. But when there's so many guys who are even taller, make more money, far better looking and in even better shape well...lol
/r/seduction08/02/22 06:02 PM
1

If only it were that simple...
/r/seduction08/02/22 05:42 PM
0

Your English isn't bad at all and I can totally understand you. Love yourself and women will love you Lol. Unless loving yourself makes you really good-looking or rich, well...not so much.
/r/seduction08/02/22 05:39 PM
3

Thats pretty chit logic, dude. I assume many people lie bc its fecking reddit and most people here lie or arbitrarily brag for no reason. People don't talk like that. Some fat guy doesn't say "I'm obese and I date beautiful women". It reeks of bs dude.
/r/seduction08/02/22 04:48 PM
1

....yeah why would a person lie on the internet. That never happens lol. People shouldn't be comfortable with being obsese. That's unhealthy af and telling people they can just be a far slob and "get beautiful women" is damaging af. This generation is so lazy smh.
/r/seduction08/02/22 04:33 PM
0

Lol sure you do pal.
/r/seduction08/02/22 03:56 PM
2

...that doesn't answer the question at all and is basically running before you can crawl.
/r/seduction08/02/22 02:39 PM
7

Of fecking course lol. They do have eyes...
/r/seduction08/02/22 12:27 PM
9

No
/r/seduction08/02/22 11:41 AM
5

I'm literally the same way, and I have humble stands so I find a lot of women attractive lol. I'm fine around women I'm not into or taken women, but I suddenly get anxious if I find her attractive.
/r/seduction08/02/22 11:40 AM
1

I'm not arguing I'm glad it worked for you. Believe me, I just wish is was applicable to my case
/r/seduction08/02/22 02:36 AM
1

I'm not saying they're not people, but it's like talking to a cashier or a barista. They're stuck there doing their job. Especially with a stripper...they have an incentive to be nice. Random women don't, so then interaction is different. Regular women aren't there mandated to entertain you for money. You don't pay a random women at a bar or a concert to talk to her and you'd have to talk to her differently than you would a stripper so doing the former isn't going to help in a non stripper venue…
/r/seduction08/02/22 02:10 AM
-1

Don't give girls compliments unless you you're already dating her
/r/seduction08/02/22 01:45 AM
1

I fear it bc I assume it. I have approach anxiety and low self-esteem so it's all I can anticipate.
/r/seduction08/02/22 01:45 AM
1

How can you just assume women are all of sudden interested when there's no evidence supporting that? Especially when you look for choosing signals and IOIs and don't get them...? Two weeks ago my friends literally took me to a strip club in VIP...it's not at all the same as regular women. They're trying to get currency from you so they're going to be artificially nice and accounting. Real women aren't like that and have no such mandate to be nice....the dynamic is totally different.
/r/seduction08/02/22 01:29 AM
1

I started having success with women when I started with the assumption they were into me. If I got a hint of disinterest I moved on. I operate under the exact inverse. I assume they're not interested...even if they approach me I just assume they're being nice, not actually interested. How would you act towards an attractive woman if you knew 100% they had a huge crush on you? Act that way towards all women. I would act disinterested and closed off bc I'd never really believe she was interested. …
/r/seduction08/02/22 12:57 AM
1

How did you?
/r/seduction07/02/22 11:01 PM
2

You're not wrong. But it's soooo much easier said than done, dude.
/r/seduction07/02/22 10:28 PM
1

Welp I don't get many dates these days so it's pretty moot lol
/r/seduction07/02/22 09:54 PM
0

Because I'm horrid at escalation. I operate under the guise that if she's interested, she'll make it known as I strongly don't want to come off as thirsty or encroaching.
/r/seduction07/02/22 08:35 PM
-1

lol it's not about "preserving honor". Everyone knows women love sex and they're more open about it now more than any other time...I just assume they won't want it with me lol.
/r/seduction07/02/22 07:04 PM
12

yeah, sure dude lol
/r/seduction07/02/22 06:25 PM
10

lol this is clearly a troll account
/r/seduction07/02/22 06:24 PM
2

A girl would never ask me out so I never run into this "issue"
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:00 PM
-2

You're too gullible lol
/r/seduction07/02/22 12:51 PM
0

So much trolling lol. "Oh noes reddit, I have to much of the casual sex and wimmez luv me, halp!" Smh
/r/seduction07/02/22 12:26 PM
3

Tinder only works if you're white and really good-looking
/r/seduction07/02/22 11:56 AM
-1

By not making a fecking thread every 5 mins asking the same question and opting for some therapy ffs
/r/seduction07/02/22 12:53 AM
2

I'm 6'3, I run 5x a week and I'm not grotesquely ugly or anything, so if nothing else women should smile at me more I guess...lol
/r/seduction04/02/22 02:36 PM
2

Interesting...I don't think women are going to randomly start bending over for my attention at the gym, but I do wonder how it would subconsciously affect the actions of women at the bar...
/r/seduction04/02/22 02:15 PM
1

This is great, logical advice. I really wish I learned to play the guitar earlier in life as 28 is too old now lol, but you're totally right. You have to be interesting and passionate about something...that just makes you more attractive, period.
/r/seduction04/02/22 12:22 PM
1

Seeing a therapist isn't going to suddenly make me good-looking and that's the biggest issue in terms of OLD and my lack of success there...
/r/seduction04/02/22 12:12 PM
1

Ffs don't hit on waitresses
/r/seduction04/02/22 12:05 PM
1

Semen retention will give you super human powers ....what?
/r/seduction04/02/22 12:03 PM
2

This makes...a lot of sense. But it's like opening pandora's box. There's no way I could ever masturbate without porn now. The two are entwined for me now. Basically to stop watching porn, I'd have to just stop masturbating. But I totally agree about it killing my sex drive and will to pursue.
/r/seduction04/02/22 03:15 AM
1

I plan to once the weather is warmer here. Hobbies and going tl events and shows and the like. Even if I don't meet women at least I'll be doing something I want to do and not just watching porn. As far as way to find women? I have no way to. Everyone uses OLD and I'm not attractive to be successful at it, and I can't approach them IRL...so I'm at a loss lol.
/r/seduction04/02/22 03:12 AM
1

Yes, being passive and just waiting isn't efficient at all because getting approached is rare for me, and since it's so sporadic, when it does happen I'm so unprepared. I can talk to men no problem at all. And not as easily, but I can talk to women I don't find attractive or ones that I know are off limits. It's literally when I find them attractive I can barely say anything, even if they come to me. And my standards are humble af so I find a lot of women attractive lol
/r/seduction04/02/22 03:00 AM
2

I'm trying to. I went out last weekend and had like 5 women approach me on Saturday and I felt really good about it...I failed to capitalize on it, but I'm attempting to abstain to see if they helps with interacting with women at all...
/r/seduction04/02/22 02:51 AM
1

But you can't just brush it off and move on to the next I'd you already have approach anxiety and low self-esteem so every rejection hurts that much more. Every rejection is another reaffirmation of what you already know. If it was so easy every dude would get laid bc no one would care about rejection. I can't view it as "their loss" and move on, when I'm the one getting rejected and I know it'll happen again and again.
/r/seduction04/02/22 02:42 AM
1

None of that matters if you don't have any women lol. Like yeah masturbation in itself isn't my issues, IA the reliance on that in conjunction with porn. If I had women I'd extend much less time to both. My issue has everything to do with women. It's not like stopping porn but still masturbating would make it any easier for me to get women lol.
/r/seduction04/02/22 02:39 AM
3

Of course not but it could only help. When you have literally no female options it's so easy to fall for the porn trap at. At least if I had women I could fill that time void with something else. I could focus on getting more women in lieu of just more porn...
/r/seduction04/02/22 02:36 AM
2

Well bi I guess, my mistake...lol
/r/seduction04/02/22 02:18 AM
3

Dude your username is literally riverofdyx and you're talking about how great men are...lol
/r/seduction04/02/22 02:12 AM
5

Lol
/r/seduction04/02/22 02:04 AM
3

...this sounds weird and ghey af, dude. I hope you're trolling.
/r/seduction04/02/22 02:02 AM
1

Right so you must just be really good-looking. Good for you dude, but yes ofc if you're really good-looking and ethic you'll get matches. The point is you can be average and white and gets tons of matches, if you're ethnic you have to be a 12/10 to get damn near anty. Your rates are the exception, not the norm.
/r/seduction04/02/22 02:01 AM
3

I've literally never heard of that before....
/r/seduction04/02/22 01:59 AM
1

Yeah I think cutting back is the more realistic way to go. If I had actually women to fill that void with, it would be easier, but theoretically cutting back has to make it easier to get women at least by some metric. Certainly hasn't helped lol.
/r/seduction04/02/22 01:50 AM
3

Yeah I think the best method would be filling that time I exert on porn with doing something productive. Anything else basically.
/r/seduction04/02/22 01:48 AM
1

I understand, thanks for trying.
/r/seduction04/02/22 01:46 AM
0

I've worked on myself a lot. I'm already 6'3, I run 5x a week, I have hair, skin and grooming regimes to the point of metrosexuality, I have a legitimate interest in high fashion, so I dress extremely well, I wear 300$ TF cologne, I go out on the weekends, etc. I occasionally get attention and approached by women, but it's too random and sporadic for me to act on it. And yeah, in the back of my mind it's always like "why take the risk of approaching and getting rejected when I can watch a woman …
/r/seduction04/02/22 01:45 AM
1

I get that. But I'm socially anxious so I look for IOIs and choosing signals and I dont get them so...it's hard to lost the mindset with no affirmations otherwise.
/r/seduction04/02/22 01:39 AM
2

It's easy if you really want to quit it. Lolno. That's depends on how long and how much you've been relying out it.
/r/seduction04/02/22 01:26 AM
1

It's not really a choice if you have no other options, though. Like if you have approach anxiety and low self esteem I mean...there is no other option. I go out and look for choosing signals and IOIs...Could I try harder? Yeah, tbh, but with no goodwill from women, well...that's pretty difficult.
/r/seduction04/02/22 01:26 AM
12

Yep. It's different when you just watch it in a auxiliary manner and you still have options and intimacy IRL...but if not, well yeah it skews way too many things. And the ease of access and sheer volume of options make relying on it too easy...
/r/seduction04/02/22 12:48 AM
14

Wow dude, say how you really feel...
/r/seduction04/02/22 12:46 AM
1

It's only bothersome if she isn't interested. But I don't get choosing signals so it literally always seems bothersome everywhere.
/r/seduction04/02/22 12:31 AM
28

Lol its not that easy, dude. If I could I would. It's a catch 22. I need actual opportunities with women to stop, but since I don't, I fall back to porn.
/r/seduction04/02/22 12:28 AM
1

Congratulations. I know how hard it is just doing it once, but it working out for you should make it easier to continue.
/r/seduction04/02/22 12:27 AM
51

Easily porn. If I could quit that I could finally approach a woman lol. I think weed would help bc it would just mellow you out and curb anxiety
/r/seduction04/02/22 12:26 AM
1

That's make beleive movie stuff, dude...if a woman is fickle, she's not interested. It's that simple.
/r/seduction03/02/22 11:45 PM
0

This is cope dude. When a chick is interested, she's interested...and it's blatantly obvious. I'm not say she going to worship you and ask for marriage, but when a girl is actually interested she drops w/e she's doing for you and consistently makes attempts as your attention and affection, even if she's not aware she is.
/r/seduction03/02/22 11:39 PM
0

Wow this thread is full of liars and trolls smh
/r/seduction03/02/22 09:38 PM
1

You're a terrible troll, dude
/r/seduction03/02/22 09:35 PM
1

No thanks, I'm sure you already have too much on your plate with your millions of matches lol.
/r/seduction03/02/22 09:17 PM
-2

Self-confidence doesn't suddenly make you white and somehow super good-looking, which are the only real metrics discernable on OLD so it's pointless in regards to OLD. No one's crying, I'm just not a 12/10 so I'm fecked in this regard.
/r/seduction03/02/22 08:58 PM
-3

Keep your fake screenshots and doctored vids to yourself, dude. If you're non-white and succeeding on OLD you must physically be a 12/10 and just be so good-looking, it's not even worth mentioning bc you're such an exception. Period.
/r/seduction03/02/22 08:53 PM
1

Some dudes looks weird bald, though.
/r/seduction03/02/22 08:47 PM
17

Stop trying to avoid it, and lost weight.
/r/seduction03/02/22 08:47 PM
-3

Sure you do, champ.
/r/seduction03/02/22 08:30 PM
-2

It's reddit people lie all the time and wanting to so desperately show all your "thousands" of matches to strangers reeks or bs or desperation. Anyone getting anywhere close to that many matches is too busy getting laid to brag on a seduction reddit to randos. Try again.
/r/seduction03/02/22 08:26 PM
-4

Sure you do, champ.
/r/seduction03/02/22 08:24 PM
0

Lol sure you have, dude.
/r/seduction03/02/22 08:23 PM
-17

If you don't get matches it's highly ikely bc you're not white, you're not super attractive or your standards are too high. Period.
/r/seduction03/02/22 08:10 PM
15

Is this a real question? If she doesn't gaf, why do you?
/r/seduction03/02/22 07:26 PM
-2

Maybe looks for eye contact at other places...
/r/seduction03/02/22 05:16 PM
2

I hate making things about race too, but it's true as far as OLD. If you're black and you don't look like Patrick Mahomes or Steph Curry on OLD and look like you have 1,000 friends you're kinda fecked. Meanwhile if you're just an average white guy on OLD, you have your share of a myriad of women of all ethnicities. That's just how it's skewed. That's why it would behoove you to take advantage of the choosing signals you get IRL.
/r/seduction03/02/22 05:06 PM
1

Dude 315 is pretty big...but I'm on the skinny side, so maybe it's just me. But as fellow black guy I can attest, dating apps are the worst. I'm 6'3, I run 5x a week so I'm in great shape, I groom and have skin and hair regimes, and I have a legitimate interest in high fashion so I dress really well and I've never gotten any real results on OLD. No one wants to admit it, but it's way to skewed to white guys. If you're black on OLD you have to essentially be perfect bc women can just sit back lit…
/r/seduction03/02/22 04:49 PM
1

What thread? And I'm not a pussy...but you're right. At this point literally saying anything to them is better than nothing. The fecking issue is as soon as I'm at a bar or whatever all that will to approach is gone in the moment.
/r/seduction03/02/22 04:42 PM
15

I don't feel guilty for wanting them, but I do feel like approaching them or trying to talk is bothersome, unwanted and encroaching bc they won't want me to.
/r/seduction03/02/22 04:35 PM
-2

But...that's not advice. I'm trying to find out how to approach them, where, and what makes sense.
/r/seduction03/02/22 04:32 PM
4

It's funny bc you're the one minimizing how traumatic and terrible rape and sexual assault are by comparing it to a kiss....on a date. I'm pretty sure most rape victims would find that insulting af. Seek help.
/r/seduction03/02/22 03:40 PM
-4

Um, I come this sub for advice and insight. Ffs if I could approach women, I would...
/r/seduction03/02/22 03:23 PM
1

Can you read?
/r/seduction03/02/22 03:12 PM
12

God you're melodramatic. The best approach is to find one that's unambiguously interested.
/r/seduction03/02/22 03:11 PM
-8

Says the goon who makes a post every 5 minutes about how depressed he is lol, Also I see you edited that message. Mods scared you a bit lol
/r/seduction03/02/22 03:01 PM
7

Whatever dude, I don't ask permission, she can either accept it or I know she's not interested. The end. Have a nice day.
/r/seduction03/02/22 02:57 PM
20

No one is going to jail for attempting a kiss....on.a.date. Stop it. You have no idea how stupid you sound. Anyone who asks for a kiss while on a date is a pleb. It's stupid and most women would be turned off. Um, I wouldn't be on a date with a gay man so that comparison isn't applicable to me. If some women I was on a date with tried to kiss me without asking pErMiSsIon, the literal last thing I'd be doing is thinking about calling the police lol. Stop projecting. Weirdo.
/r/seduction03/02/22 02:54 PM
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I swear you lot have to have every single piece of detail explained to you. If you're on a date and the vibe and mood are going well, going in for a kiss doesn't make you a rapist. WTF. Stop trolling. No one is implying going up and trying to kiss a random woman. Duh, context. Smh.
/r/seduction03/02/22 02:46 PM
9

This. After that, your post is pointless. Stop being a simp.
/r/seduction03/02/22 02:43 PM
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Bye!
/r/seduction03/02/22 02:42 PM
8

Once you ask a woman for consent to kiss her, you're the woman lol. That totally kills the mood. No one is saying be a rapist or anything, but to in the moment ask permission for a kiss...well you now set the precedent that you can't do anything without her approval and you're passive af.
/r/seduction03/02/22 02:41 PM
1

You're just arguing semantics out of spite, dude. You don't even have a point. The point is, it's still guess work and there's too many cases where attire isn't Indicative of anything.
/r/seduction03/02/22 02:39 PM
0

Literally no one said anything about entitlement, if any thing it's the inverse. Stop projecting.
/r/seduction03/02/22 02:37 PM
1

The point is she could still be a slut despite dressing conservatively. Thanks for proving my point. Their attire isn't Indicative of their acumen, and ofc you pick a complete extreme to try and make a point.
/r/seduction03/02/22 02:26 PM
0

Dude, having to do 300 approaches still a lot for one success. Most guys, including myself, would give up long before that. There is a lot of nice conversations coming out of talking to strangers, Sure I believe some of them are, but I would also imagine many aren't very nice at all. moreover beautiful women are very masterful in rejecting you in a nice way. I advocate for approaching the most beautiful women you can find, they are delightful and fun to talk. lol. I don't think you experience wi…
/r/seduction03/02/22 01:51 PM
1

women aren't to dissimilar from men and when you learn to just connect with them you'll have success I agree with this. But watching other people do it doesn't help you learn how to do it. social acumen isn't something you can learn via a third party demonstration. It is basically just trial and error. But the issue for many is having to suffer through all those trials. Plus not to mention most of it is just based on looks. The more physcially attractive she finds you, the wider your margin for …
/r/seduction03/02/22 01:41 PM
4

Just to be able to approach women.
/r/seduction03/02/22 12:33 PM
0

Your post is just a bunch of nothing. You're just saying what I said in a different light. No one mentioned absolutes. Dressing slutty is subjective, first. What appears slutty to one person may not to another. There's tons of very slutty women who dress totally normal, and the inverse is totally true. Especially these days, women just dress however and oftentimes it just depends on their personal style and where they're at, at the time. The possibility that's it a quantifiable metric of her sex…
/r/seduction03/02/22 12:30 PM
0

One...in a thousand? Do you know the unwavering dedication and confidence you needs to preserve through that and remain in the proper frame? Those are terrible odds at anything, let alone approaching strangers lol. There's a lot to lose, mostly your self-esteem and willingness to try.
/r/seduction03/02/22 12:22 PM
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The women that are attracted to arrogant men are likely shallow, vapid women. But people in general are attracted to confident people, of course women are attracted to confident women. There's a myriad of reasons why. And even on a macro level I get it...being nice is boring and I don't want some timed girl who just agrees with everything I say and women get that ALL the time. How can they respect you fo you're not a least a little douchy at times. That's not to say just be a raging asshole all …
/r/seduction03/02/22 12:11 PM
0

Lol just bc you've have success at cold approaching doesn't mean everyone will.
/r/seduction03/02/22 11:32 AM
1

Ah, so no video of a guy succeeding not just bc he literally has all the physical advantages. So you're a liar and a fraud. Got it.
/r/seduction03/02/22 11:23 AM
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I know the B.S. that people are going to use as excuses. Ummm...it's not an excuse. You give an example of an awkward cold approach working, and it's done by tall good-looking white guy. Your example is bullshit. It negates trying to use it as a demonstration bc the guy has every physical advantage. It's like using a tall, ripped, pro basketball player making a trick shot and saying his attributes are auxiliary and besides the point. Lol. Where's the example of some short ugly guy being awkward …
/r/seduction03/02/22 03:00 AM
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OP said guess BEFOREHAND though...
/r/seduction02/02/22 11:25 PM
1

Tinder only works for attractive people, though
/r/seduction02/02/22 09:18 PM
0

"You're only creepy if you're ugly"
/r/seduction02/02/22 08:55 PM
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lol you lot are delusional. Let's pretend good-looking, confident guys who have no problem approaching beautiful women who aren't douchebags or arrogant plebs don't exist. Nope, only guys who are too timid and lame, or complete jerks or assholes. That's some cope...
/r/seduction02/02/22 08:53 PM
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Bc in most cases none of it is true and guys pretend to believe it to make themselves feel better or convince themselves they have better odds.
/r/seduction02/02/22 08:50 PM
1

That they're somehow attention deprived despite how often they're inundated by the sheer amout of attention and validation they get from SO many sources and venues. Not just from their social circle and OLD and SM, but all the randos at school, work, etc who approach her, and simps and orbiters that just validate her. Also that they're somehow easier to talk to and have lower standards lol bc they "just want to be treated like a human* bc they're tired or chads, good-looking guys and rich men, a…
/r/seduction02/02/22 08:30 PM
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Your op said you wanted "concrete answers"...things like height, fashion sense, and the build/weight, etc are all subjective. Every women wants a good-looking guy and one that’s makes a lot of money. Those components are universal. Did you even read your own post? Was there even a point?
/r/seduction02/02/22 07:55 PM
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If you already know, then wtf is the point of this thread aside from a thinly-veiled humble brag?
/r/seduction02/02/22 07:52 PM
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There isn't. A girl could dress like a complete slut and just be a tease, while she could look homely af and be a complete whore.
/r/seduction02/02/22 07:48 PM
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They like good-looking men with lots of money.
/r/seduction02/02/22 07:42 PM
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Creepy is code for ugly so....yeah
/r/seduction02/02/22 07:42 PM
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This was just posted this last week. Stop the troll spamming smh
/r/seduction02/02/22 07:39 PM
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It's funny bc you already know people are going to call you out on this BS, so YOU know it's true. Just bc you mentioned it in the OP doesn't negate its validity. If you have all these so-called examples or short or ethnic guys, it's telling you opted to go with a generic tall, white good-looking guy anyway....What's even the point of the topic? "If you're physically attractive, you can be awkward". How helpful and inspiring lol...
/r/seduction02/02/22 07:34 PM
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This is a troll post lol, but there's some truth here.
/r/seduction02/02/22 03:07 PM
1

If I were good looking and white I could get away with that, too...if you're not you're going to be deemed weird or creepy. You guys always want to say "loOkS dOnT" matter yet all your examples of success exclusively feature tall, good-looking white guys lol.
/r/seduction02/02/22 11:56 AM
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Lol coincidentally its only unnecessary if you're white.
/r/seduction01/02/22 03:13 PM
1

Smh
/r/seduction01/02/22 12:24 PM
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Rule 1: be white
/r/seduction01/02/22 11:59 AM
1

And if no one seems interested in your daily life I guess you're just fecked. Also it's pointless to go to meet-ups to approach for a myriad of reasons.
/r/seduction01/02/22 11:58 AM
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You forgot on one sight: be white
/r/seduction01/02/22 11:38 AM
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Lol this is why you never listen to advice women give regarding approaching lol. It's chit that'll sure set you up gor failure. "Don't approach her as if you're hitting on her, just be her friend" 🤣.
/r/seduction01/02/22 11:36 AM
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How tf are you supposed to try you luck with receiving choosing signals? You can't make a girl five you signs bc she's closed off...that doesn't make sense lol. That's the whole point of a choosing signals...she's the one choosing. I mean even if you look approachable, it doesn't mean women are interested. Especially if you're at a packed bar. She's too busy getting hit on by other dudes and just doing whatever to be giving out subtle hints and hoping some guys notice. be aware of your surroundi…
/r/seduction01/02/22 01:34 AM
1

What if you don't get choosing signals?
/r/seduction31/01/22 11:28 PM
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Modern first world feminism, lack of strong, masculine male role modes both irl and on screen, the demonization of masculinity, over access to porn, too many men raised in single parent homes, the disparity of difficulty in regards to the case for women with OLD, women preening on social media, etc
/r/seduction31/01/22 03:34 PM
2

and she's not fucking other guys 🤣
/r/seduction30/01/22 03:31 AM
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Literally just go out with her. Just hang out in places, especially bars where other women will notice. You can let the women know obviously or subtly you aren't together. Just be open and talk to people, including women and it should obvious she isnt your exlusive or anything. Honestly, many women won't care if she is. The point is it will pique the intetest other women and show you have value via your affiliation with an attractive woman.
/r/seduction30/01/22 03:22 AM
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You don't need anything else You need to be white and good-looking. Prerequisites on a dating site tbh.
/r/seduction30/01/22 12:12 AM
1

I wish I could just get to the getting dates part...
/r/seduction29/01/22 11:57 PM
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No one wants something unwanted...if women see are you with attractive women it piques their interest. Of course...the issue most times is getting one in the first place.
/r/seduction29/01/22 08:32 PM
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Basically you're saying it's easy to hook up bc black guys so fetishized bc of porn, the popularity of rap and chit. Yeah, sure you can go and easily be dehumanized or be some girls experiment. Yes, I agree...but if you don't just want to be used like a piece of meat, well...lol.
/r/seduction29/01/22 08:29 PM
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Hey dude, that's great for. Congratulations that you experiences have been different. But I certainly think that's the exception, and not the norm. An overwhelming amount of women prefer or only seek white men. That's a fact. So you have to compensate in any number of areas just be on a similar playing field. And it's a hurdle for most of us especially on OLD where even decent looking white guys struggle. There's no point even attempting there of all places unless you're exceptional or you have …
/r/seduction29/01/22 07:13 PM
3

They'll never understand, but the least they could do is not gaslight and admit it.
/r/seduction29/01/22 04:13 PM
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Like I said, you have to essentially be the perfect black guy to compete with the average white guy. Yeah sure, if you're an an apex black guy thing like racism, prejudices, preferences, matter much less....but it shows how skewed things are. If you're not a perfect 11/10 Patrick Mahomes looking dude with 1,000 friends making six figures, who's super intelligent, and charismatic, you're at a massive disadvantage next to just some regular white guy. That is my point. You're moving the goal post t…
/r/seduction29/01/22 01:54 PM
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Don't harp on semantics, it's obviously a overly high number, and that's the point. White dudes never have to go into into any reason situation or equation most anywhere where most of the women there wouldn't prefer or at least except them. No other race can say that. It's a massive luxury when dating that cannot be overstated. Literally the only race of women that don't prefer white guys are black women. And that's only partially true bc alternative black girls love white guys so....
/r/seduction29/01/22 01:24 PM
1

Picked on isn't the right word, but the more attractive a woman is, the more they seem susceptible to negging...if done correctly. Some dudes just take that as a means to be a douchebag all the time, and it's certainly not that. Many women just like the tension it creates and it demonstrates you're not just a simp.
/r/seduction29/01/22 05:38 AM
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I've been saying this for ages. Like 98% of women prefer white men, so there's a selection bias they have and can't comprehend not having so it subconsciously skews their advice. There's barrier you have against you when you're black that their advice doesn't take into consideration. They don't have to worry about all these negative stereotypes and prejudice that eliminate tons of women from even considering black dudes. Whenever you mention how much more difficult OLD is as a black man they say…
/r/seduction29/01/22 05:33 AM
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Height is like big boobs on a woman...it's nice but it's just auxiliary. Looks, confidence, status, and many other components are more important. Especially in terms of a relationship. As long as you're taller than her it's fine. I say this as a guy that 6'3.
/r/seduction29/01/22 12:35 AM
2

Bc I anticipate rejection
/r/seduction29/01/22 12:30 AM
10

Hair and grooming regimes as well.
/r/seduction28/01/22 05:43 PM
1

I wish I got choosing signals...
/r/seduction28/01/22 12:11 PM
0

But you hear about fat, short or ugly mention they're approached, too. So I don't think it necessarily means you're attractive...
/r/seduction28/01/22 11:50 AM
1

If you say so, I guess..
/r/seduction28/01/22 11:35 AM
2

Lol I love my wardrobe, I can't do that
/r/seduction28/01/22 11:31 AM
1

I've always wondered this. I'm 6'3 and fit and I have an extensive wardrobe but most women seemingly ignore me. On the few occasions I'm approached its by women I'd never have the courage to approach... pretty much always pretty attractive women...but I have pretty humble standards and just look towards the more average ones, but they never approach me...so I have no idea what my level of attractiveness is. If only I was gay bc guy compliment all the time lol.
/r/seduction27/01/22 11:25 PM
-1

This is bad trolling
/r/seduction27/01/22 11:15 PM
-1

Stop smoking dope
/r/seduction27/01/22 11:04 PM
5

This is baaaad trolling
/r/seduction27/01/22 11:01 PM
2

On the outside I manage to play it cool and flirt back, hold eye contact, smalltalk Better than me, I just avoid the pretty ones entirely lol. When I see them I'm instantly too anxious to do anything...
/r/seduction27/01/22 10:27 PM
4

I'll save this message and give it a shot. I appreciate it.
/r/seduction27/01/22 09:55 PM
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The issue is, with approach anxiety and self-esteem issues even the baby steps seem massive. I've done all the steps I could physically to enhance myself...literally everything sans plastic surgery and they improvement hasn't garnered more succes or bolstered my confidence. I can't approach drunk women at a bar, even considering approaching a woman or introducing myself during the day at a coffee shop or a bookstore is basically Insurmountable. I could easier enter a burning building lol. I lite…
/r/seduction27/01/22 09:12 PM
0

As long as it works for you, I guess
/r/seduction27/01/22 08:13 PM
-2

You could always lower your standards
/r/seduction27/01/22 08:03 PM
-2

No, they just have to be rich or have high status. That's essentially how you compensate.
/r/seduction27/01/22 07:48 PM
1

Dude is big simpin over here, my god...She's getting primo validation from you scott free and you get...nothing lol.
/r/seduction27/01/22 07:27 PM
1

You're already validating them physically, so now you're on the same level as every simp and stogge that physically compliment a woman. She should earn that validation.
/r/seduction27/01/22 07:21 PM
1

No. But I have approach anxiety and low self-esteem so there's not much that could really feasibly help.
/r/seduction27/01/22 07:09 PM
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Lol Chads don't get ignored. I get approached once in a blue moon. I might as well not even exist to them.
/r/seduction27/01/22 07:02 PM
2

Lol OK yeah...there was literally a thread yesterday asking why women like "cool" guys. But most of the topics like that have to be trolling... Idk...not via something this basic though. The baselines for this sub is guys struggling to get past seconds dates or maintain sexual attraction...not to shower and workout...I think most are beyond that.
/r/seduction27/01/22 06:44 PM
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I think you're confused...this isn't the incel for foreveralone sub. Most guys here are seeking advice bc they're accrued some amount of success or they're asking for references or recommendation for situations they have with interested or potentially interested women. Thusly, I'd imagine the amount of hopeless losers who doesn't even try here is such a small amount, advice like this posted here is pointless. I'm not doubting there aren't those woe-is-me fat, ugly, short guys that just expect pr…
/r/seduction27/01/22 06:28 PM
1

This isn't the incel or foreveralone sub. I would assume most guys here have worked on themselves and have some amount of succes and are seeking advices on those opportunities they've acquired. Plastering this here just seems like it falls on deaf ears. I pretty much agree with most of what you said in a vacuum, but not in the context you're using it. There's no way 80% in the sub are simps...lol. The issue is the losers that need that wake-up care aren't likely in a literal seduction reddit lol…
/r/seduction27/01/22 06:14 PM
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This only works is they're already interested and have some investment. If not, they'll just forget about you and move on. A lot of women have like no attention span.
/r/seduction27/01/22 05:46 PM
1

say you think they're gorgeous Lolno don't do that
/r/seduction27/01/22 05:01 PM
3

Don't...lol
/r/seduction27/01/22 03:53 PM
0

Charisma is an intangible trait, you either have it or you don't. You can become a better speaker or more maybe confident or whatever, but charisma just is.
/r/seduction27/01/22 02:53 PM
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Game is a myth and cope. If you're tall and attractive all you need to do it approach and not be a complete invalid.
/r/seduction27/01/22 02:43 PM
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This is wayyy too hyperbolic to take seriously. The issue is most guys have worked on themselves...in a myriad of way but lose out to Chads bc women are more particular, shallow and selective than they've even been bc of all the options and validation from OLD and social media. Not to mention all the thirsty guy in her social circle, simps and orbiters that inflate their egos on a daily basis. I don't get all these white-knight posts popping up valiantly defending m'ladies...this chit is cringe,
/r/seduction27/01/22 02:24 PM
1

Yea...you have to be really social and charismatic to excel at being a bartender, and I'm not. Attractive, too. I've seen the dynamic of a good-looking bartender vs just some guy bartending and it's night and day, especially since you're going to be in the same proximity. You just get totally over-shadowed and ignored in favor of the good-looking one....just like when you're patrons and there's Chads around lol. Same dynamic, just a different side of the bar.
/r/seduction27/01/22 02:15 PM
0

Guess I'll have to take your word for it...
/r/seduction27/01/22 01:53 PM
-1

So I have to talk to the popular bartender and hope other women just happen to be there or notice me doing it...and they totally won't be distracted by all the guys hitting on them and all the attractive men they're focused on. It's mostly chance or luck to get anywhere with that...
/r/seduction27/01/22 01:21 PM
0

It's not insecurity, its logic. So a bartender can't just give her his number and intermittently entertain her until he's off. Or she'll just entertain the next hot or good-looking guy in the bar. He's thr next best thing. She still has eyes...
/r/seduction27/01/22 12:48 PM
1

Ummm what? No...she'll just want that buff bouncer and the good-looking bartender and not gaf about the ugly guy next to them lol.
/r/seduction27/01/22 12:20 PM
-1

Unless you're ugly. Then that's just foolish lol
/r/seduction27/01/22 12:15 PM
2

Hovering around you, bumping into you by accident and giving you the chance to talk to her consistent glances, giving you a compliment(duh), complimenting you while depreciating the other men in the conversation, touching you, All obvious signs I've seen...when women gave them to other men lol.
/r/seduction27/01/22 03:16 AM
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No one is reading all that lol...but it's not about approaching more women, it's about approaching the right ones. This sub has a weird obsession with only approaching 12/10s and its uncanny af. Guys who aren't anywhere near that level being overly shallow. Dudes need to be more realistic with who they approach as I imagine it'll lead to much less disappointment and frustration. Pretty, cute and average women exist to and most guys with issues approaching are somewhere closer to that spectrum.
/r/seduction27/01/22 03:03 AM
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I feel like "cool" is being used as a substitute for another word lol. Is this a real question? Everyone likes cool people, why wouldn't women like cool men? Its just rappers now bc that's what the trend is. In the 70s and 80s it was rockstars, in 90s it was grungy guys and so on. It's like asking why guys like attractive women...wtf?
/r/seduction26/01/22 09:09 PM
-1

Yeah tbh gentle basically means ghey..
/r/seduction26/01/22 12:14 PM
3

Yet women always tell me to groom and be hygenic and super dressed up when they go out. Smh...
/r/seduction26/01/22 12:13 PM
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Somehow I highly doubt that. The fact that everyone needs to point put what she's rated out of than in every story or field report at means that at least to them the women is the highest of the high. It's shallow af.
/r/seduction26/01/22 12:11 PM
1

I think it's less of that and more that women just aren't interested. I've looked for signs of interest or whatever and I went ourbdressed as besr as possible and rarely has it ever bared any fruit.
/r/seduction26/01/22 12:09 PM
0

It's too bad people like you will just never understand what it's like for someone else who isn't you and that other people have vastly different experiences. And you never will.
/r/seduction26/01/22 12:02 PM
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But it happens very rarely to the point it's not something I can count on. No, I don't think women reply gaf. I've gotten plenty of compliments on my attire from dudes. Just telling me how cool I look or that I look like a movie star or whatever. Women barely notice. I have so many pieces...a burberry and a BBS leather, multiple trenchcoats one of them leather, a red and velvet SLP blazer, a red leather blazer, tons of SLP boots, I could go on and on and on. Clothing is my vice. Literally every …
/r/seduction26/01/22 12:01 PM
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Because everyone can't get a beautiful woman, especially if you're not on her level. It'd better to be realistic in lieu of being delusional and setting yourself up for disappointment. I wouldn't validate women regardless and tell them how good-looking they are, but I can still find an average women attractive unlike 99% of this sub who only entertains 11/10s lol.
/r/seduction26/01/22 11:57 AM
6

Right. Good for you I guess.
/r/seduction26/01/22 05:02 AM
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Every time there's a guy trying to approve on approaching his story always mentions how the he approached is a super hot 12/10 super model. It's weird. Why do guys who are trying to improve always start at the very top? It's counter-intuitive and very shallow.
/r/seduction26/01/22 04:52 AM
4

I'm not surprised...
/r/seduction26/01/22 04:43 AM
2

Lol its more about my face than my attitude.
/r/seduction26/01/22 04:32 AM
1

This sub has weird obsession with only entertaining super hot women. It's weird....espeically when you're not on that level or near or and you don't have a lot of experience.
/r/seduction26/01/22 04:27 AM
1

But it's in a venue where she isn't necessarily willing or seeking to talk. At least at a bar you can assume women are there to be social, not so much during the day. That doesn't mean they'll be interested though. Like they still have to find you attractive and they still have to be interested and looking to talk. Just because you engaged with them doesn't men they'll comply. Like it's not a given...People here act like just bc you're approaching women will automatically be receptive. The more …
/r/seduction26/01/22 02:42 AM
0

Also I met my gf from cold approaching on the train and now shes the love of my life. I'm not super attractive, I'm an avg height Asian and I approached a tall pretty white girl blond hair blue eyes in a packed train. My approach wasnt great by any means and I was nervous as hell. And I couldn't even tell if she was into it or not. But I didn't let any of that bother me and I powered through and got her number. The rest is history and she later told me she thought I was hot and super confident f…
/r/seduction26/01/22 02:10 AM
1

Even if you got IOIs, what makes you think you know what to do after that? How are you gonna approach her? How are you going to flirt and escalate? You're right...the few times I've been approached I've blown it or not realized it until later that she was interested. But the few women that have approached are more attractive than I expected to be interested so I have no idea who I'm supposed to approach... How are you going to attract her and keep her interested? You've never approached so you h…
/r/seduction26/01/22 01:47 AM
1

And i'm on the lighter side, and I have long hair on the straight side...but its doesnt matter. A lot of women don't like black guys and with many that to it's a fetish or a phase..and I'm alternative af and no one's really into alternative black guys. White dudes have that monopoly. Ilook at a woman and tell if she'd be receptive to an approach, so I look for IOIs or signs and I don't seem to get them. Confidence comes from positive reinforcement and if you don't get it...well. The most I get i…
/r/seduction26/01/22 01:39 AM
0

I'd be totally content with an average, decent looking woman. I'm not asking for some bombshell so I shouldn't have to be the most interesting man in the world...
/r/seduction26/01/22 12:22 AM
0

If you're good-looking most pretty much anything you do is charming. You can be awkward af and women will explain it away as being cute. If you're not good-looking? Well, you better being saying some Mark Twin chit...
/r/seduction26/01/22 12:04 AM
1

If have approach anxiety and low self-esteem...a rejection isn't something I can just shrug of. It's reaffirmation that I was right, and it's pointless to approach and I don't get the woman. It's a lose-lose and since I gain nothing from that, there's no way I could try it again. That's why I've tried to maximize my physical components and look for IOIs and signs from women...but I don't get any which only demonstrates approaching would be a waste of time for me. If women wanted me to it would b…
/r/seduction26/01/22 12:00 AM
2

I'm 6'3, I run 5x a week and my wardrobe consists of Tom ford, Dior and Saint Laurent. I've about maxed my physical components and it hasn't garnered any results. If you're black on OLD you basically have to be an 11/10 and look like Patrick Mahomes or something. If I can't get homely, frumpy, average women to reply or match with me why would I go for the hot ones? That's like trying to run a marathon when you can't crawl. It's a waste of time. Lol if I could approach women IRL ofc I could. I ha…
/r/seduction25/01/22 11:54 PM
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The one women that approached me was a psycho. Not a great sample. I occasionally get hit a woman that approaches me...and they're pretty much always more attractive than woman I would actually consider approaching. But it's too rare and I don't realize they're approaching me until after the fact. Again I'm going day you shouldn't worry about your level of attraction. If all of your clothes are clothes are tailored that's awesome. I don't think you need to worry about out growing your wardrobe w…
/r/seduction25/01/22 11:49 PM
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Lol you don't even understand. At all. You can't comprehend sending dozens of upon dozens of personalized, specific messages to women you looked over their profile to find some commonality before messaging while totally lowering your standards and only messaging average looking women while totally avoiding the hot ones and STILL you get no replies or matches. It is out of my hands because I tried as best as I'm literally allowed. So stop with the ignorant assuming...
/r/seduction25/01/22 11:32 PM
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Yeah if you want to be a simp as some douchebag ploughs her
/r/seduction25/01/22 11:29 PM
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Perhaps.. but this sub has a delusion that attractive women don't have a much higher degree of difficulty. And hey maybe that's your experience for overall, in general that's far from the norm.
/r/seduction25/01/22 10:38 PM
0

Be a Chad
/r/seduction25/01/22 10:30 PM
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Thanks for the gaslighting. It was a big help!
/r/seduction25/01/22 10:28 PM
0

That sounds sus, just say it
/r/seduction25/01/22 10:10 PM
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It sounds to me like you're way more attractive Than you give yourself credit for being. Lol if I was women would approach or notice me more often. Do you even lift, bro? It's 100% cliche, but weight training causes your body to produce testosterone in ways running just can't. Testosterone is really important to everything a male does. I've been low all my life, getting closer to right has payed huge dividends. It will also make your more confident A lack of T would explain a lot. But no, I only…
/r/seduction25/01/22 09:47 PM
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You don't need to lick an anthill to know it's a stupid idea. Approaching during that day is more difficult and is reserved for more attractive dudes. That's why more people don't do it. It's basic logistics.
/r/seduction25/01/22 09:31 PM
1

but you can still work with what you've got to outcompete most guys in spite of it. That is literally impossible with OLD. Literally all you have to go on is pictures. How tf can you "outcompete" most guys when you literally don't even get a look lol.
/r/seduction25/01/22 08:34 PM
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Much higher filter for what counts as a bad approach, given the abundance of approaches But at a place where it's appropriate to approach. The degree of difficulty is much higher, again....unless you're just really good-looking or charming somewhere it's not considered appropriate, logistical, etc. Yeah, there's a lot of bad approaches at bars because that's where the approaches are supposed to happen. No chit they happen less often where there not supposed to. ​ That's correct, and is why there…
/r/seduction25/01/22 08:26 PM
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Have you actually ever tried to maintain a conversation with a stranger you're not interested in starting with nothing but your surroundings? Even without the "pressure" that shit ain't easy when you're starting out. When you're talking to a woman you're attracted to the goal is to not be outcome driven, how do you develop that? You practice on people with whom you don't care about the outcome. No, a conversation with a stranger with no real common topic is difficult, sure but when the person on…
/r/seduction25/01/22 08:14 PM
2

You're putting pussy on a pedestal. Hot chicks are people, just people, they get treated special by EVERYONE. Treat her like she's not special, she'll notice. She might like it, she might not. You tried, you weren't going smash if you didn't try, your not going smash if you get rejected. Nothing has changed, but maybe you learned something. Sure they're people...but it's foolish to pretend it's not more difficult to get a woman the better she look, hugely due in part to the overwhelming about of…
/r/seduction25/01/22 08:03 PM
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Less see...I run 5x a week and I'm in the best shape of my life, I'm 6'3, I'm legitimately into high fashion so I have a great wardrobe, I have hair and skin regimes and I groom, I wear 300$ TF cologne, etc. There's nothing else I can do to look more attractive sans plastic surgery. Learn to have fun talking to people. Examine your mental models, and your ego investments. I'm sure your life will get a lot better. IDK wtf mental models and ego investments are. That said, I can have fun talking to…
/r/seduction25/01/22 07:57 PM
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She does expect it, which is why she is often less receptive to approaches, not more. What women are more open to at night is one night stands, not approaches. Less receptive to bad approaches. She's there to be social...you can't have a one night stand w/o an approach. At the very least it's a bar is a social venue where it's to be expected. That makes a huge different. Even if she's not receptive, it's appropriate to approach women there. Not true at all, especially if you have an obvious hook…
/r/seduction25/01/22 07:49 PM
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There are hot women who are actually nice and accommodating as well and there are old women who are nasty and mean to talk to. Of course there are...but those are exceptions, not the norm. If they weren't every guy would be dating a model or w/e. They are different, IDK how anyone couldn't treat them differently, when they're going to treat you differently. No, not all but most attractive will have and are used to so much attention, options, and validation, they're not going to be nice, and will…
/r/seduction25/01/22 07:39 PM
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Dude, a drunk woman at a bar is at a social venue where if nothing else, she expect to get hit on. It's at night and she's lubricated and probably more social than she usually is. A woman at a park is likely going to want to be left alone, not want to be bothered, and isn't any easier to talk to bc of lack of alcohol. It's more difficult in literally every way. Unless you're really good-looking it's pointless to expect anything to come from it.
/r/seduction25/01/22 07:19 PM
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lolno. You're trolling.
/r/seduction25/01/22 07:14 PM
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It's not about excuses, it's being logistical. It's not the 50's anymore...women don't want to be approached by strangers. Women have OLD and social media, and guy approaching them from their social circle or work or school or whatever. The last thing they want is a rando approaching unless he looks like James Franco. Talking to a random guy or an old lady about nothing isn't the same as talking to an attractive woman. There's expectations, you're treated differently and every woman is just goin…
/r/seduction25/01/22 07:14 PM
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There's loads of guys who can talk to people who still don't get laid. Like being able to converse doesn't suddenly make you attractive. ​ Have fun? I literally can't think of something less fun than attempting to converse with strangers. People are so closed off, segregated, and don't want to be bothered. In this age it's just deemed rude or creepy...
/r/seduction25/01/22 07:10 PM
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Go tell a woman talking to their grandpa and talking to Andrew Garfield are the same thing. I'm sure they'll agree...Old ladies are just grateful anyone is talking to them and will be accommodating and overly nice regardless because they're usually deprived of any attention. Meanwhile, a woman who is at least moderately attractive gets tons of attention and validation from all kinds of men and will be much, much more selective, particular and shallow with who she chooses to even entertain via di…
/r/seduction25/01/22 06:32 PM
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Since I'm not shallow and I'm not a guy with tons of options I'm actually looking for a woman I'm genuinely interested in, not a trophy. But when you're ugly it doesn't matter lol.
/r/seduction25/01/22 06:25 PM
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People have cell-phones and I wear a watch...it's weird to ask people the time now. Approaching old ladies won't help...bc they're old ladies. Talking to them and talking to women I find attractive are totally different. The former applies no pressure, the latter add all the pressure in the world.
/r/seduction25/01/22 06:18 PM
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You can only assume attraction if you're hot of you have really low standards.
/r/seduction25/01/22 06:08 PM
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Lower your standards
/r/seduction25/01/22 05:51 PM
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As long as you're white and attractive in the photo, it doesn't matter.
/r/seduction25/01/22 05:50 PM
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I can't approach a drunk woman at a bar, I literally can't imagine walking up to a woman during the daytime at a park and complimenting her lol. Good on you.
/r/seduction25/01/22 05:41 PM
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That doesn't work when you have anxiety and low self-esteem.
/r/seduction25/01/22 04:43 PM
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Last I checked women aren't afraid, scared or intimidated of Asian men and you lot don't have 3,573 negative stereotypes against you. If you're black and you're not an 11/10, women aren't going to approach you lol. I'm not watching that, dude. I'm not saying a positive vibe and mindset doesn't help...but if you're good-looking women will approach, and if you're not, they won't. That's basically what it always boils down to.
/r/seduction25/01/22 03:45 PM
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I have a resting bitch face and I'm black...unless I look like Steph Curry or Patrick Mahomes, women aren't going to approach me no matter what my mindset or whatever us, dude
/r/seduction25/01/22 03:33 PM
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Lol. Wish I could beleive that. If getting in the best shape of my life, dressing well, wearing high end cologne, grooming, etc hasn't gotten me more attention from women, I don't think my posture and "vibe" will...You have to be a certain level of attractive or women just ignore you.
/r/seduction25/01/22 03:20 PM
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I normally let women approach me Must be nice.
/r/seduction25/01/22 02:59 PM
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This is pretty simpy tbh...
/r/seduction25/01/22 02:38 PM
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Never validate a woman
/r/seduction25/01/22 11:22 AM
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If she finds you attractive you can literally say pretty much anything.
/r/seduction25/01/22 11:21 AM
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You would think all that self-improvement would make a difference with women, but it doesn't seem to.
/r/seduction25/01/22 11:20 AM
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Maybe if they noticed me or at least gave IOIs...or some kind of hint or sign of interest. And anyway, this sub always says women do approach.
/r/seduction25/01/22 11:11 AM
1

But you need confidence to take the action in the first place...it's a catch 22.
/r/seduction25/01/22 11:05 AM
1

Bro, tall stoic black guy with a stone cold look from resting bitch face? In a SUIT? Sounds handsome as fuck my guy Lol I think to most women that sounds scary...I think if women find that attractive I'd be approached more often.
/r/seduction25/01/22 11:03 AM
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It's not "try hardness". I legitimately have an interest in high fashion and I bought and did all those things to mitigate my lack of self-esteem. I'm not bragging only demonstrating that I've done all the work people commonly recommend and it makes no difference.
/r/seduction25/01/22 11:02 AM
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The exercise I mentioned should be like a breathe of fresh air, so easy as there are not expectations beyond it. To me it's terrifying lol. I think a tall, stoic black guy in an all black suit going around tapping girls on the shoulder telling them they're beautiful wouldn't be recieved too well anyway, tbh...If I looked like Armie Hammer or something...sure.. If you're not weird or creepy...you might want to look into re-framing the way you view your interactions with others. Makes me sad that …
/r/seduction25/01/22 03:06 AM
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Yeah...I can't go out to a tipsy girl at the bar and ask what she's drinking...no way I could touch some random girl and tell her she's beautiful...Especially if she's attractive. I'm not even saying its bad advice bc I can logistically see how just giving someone a genuine compliment and expecting nothing in return is just...well pragmatic. But yeah...not in my wheelhouse. I'd be too anxious and just think they'd deem me weird or creepy.
/r/seduction25/01/22 02:49 AM
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Yeah but that list is just members or people who claim they'll be there. The roster of people actually there could greatly differ. And yeah, you're right...doing literally nothing won't help my situation, but it's just very particular. I can talk to guys, or cashiers, or old ladys or women I don't find attractive. It's when I find women attractive I can't interact with them. And idk, in my experience it's harder to meet women through other guys than people let one. Especially guys you haven't be…
/r/seduction25/01/22 02:20 AM
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I've always heard meet ups are just full of dudes with barely any women, and the few there will just be hounded by the guys there... But beyond that, everyone else there will know each other...and I won't. So that dynamic will just make me more introverted which will make it seem like I'm disinterested and being distant which just leads to a bad cycle on both ends.
/r/seduction25/01/22 01:53 AM
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What kind of social circle do you have? If you have all this value in your life girls should be approaching you as well. I have some friends that are legitimately cool, but all they really do is go to bars. There's a bunch of things I'd like to do, but I'd be doing it alone and I have social anxiety. And lol I rarely get approached. Only at like dive bars. On the few occasions I do get approached the women are attractive, but it's once in a blue moon. Not to mention I'm black and I have a restin…
/r/seduction24/01/22 11:47 PM
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I'm in the best shape of my life, I wear 300$ TF cologne, I have a tag Hauer watch, a wardrobe straight from high fashion Paris, I'm tall, I groom, etc and I still literally cannot approach women. Oftentimes the external isn't enough to gain confidence.
/r/seduction24/01/22 11:30 PM
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People are afraid of rejection and not getting what they want not someone else's opinion...
/r/seduction24/01/22 06:54 PM
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Ugly guys get treated like shit. Fixed that for you. You not an expert of the one gospel on how females treat men. There's been regular not evrn average men in this thread that have spoken on how rare is is for the vast majority of men. You're trying to discredit everyone else opinion that deflates yours...where you don't even have a frame a reference bc you're too impaired to admit you're wrong and your experience isn't Indicative of most people. You have to be a troll. You get bent out of shap…
/r/seduction24/01/22 12:32 AM
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Lol you're projecting, no one else even agrees with you and you're delusional. Just stop. Nothing you said as even attempted to negate or counter what I said initially and now you're just embarrassing yourself. Pls stop. Most men dont get approached, most everyone else corroborated my story. Everyoje knows this...it isnt worth explaining because is so obvious. But your one instance somehow negates that because you have the mental capacity of a child. No one cares if you've never met men who have…
/r/seduction23/01/22 09:45 PM
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OP is correct. Women allow attractive men to get away with murder and all their weird, creepy, mysognistic, perverted, abusive, etc behavior is explained away by women just bc they think they're hot. Meanwhile, if you're ugly, females avoid you a d everything you do is considered weird or creepy and women are extra alert around you. It literally comes down to what you look like...if it didn't so many women would "sense" all those destructive attracrive men preemptively and wouldn't fall for rapi…
/r/seduction23/01/22 01:35 AM
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Bc you're human?
/r/seduction22/01/22 10:04 PM
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Not my experience. Any time I go to a bar or a club I absolutely see the most attractive women get hit on multiple times. Are they successful? Idk, but in places like those there's no shortage of good looking dudes with confidence who have no issue going after women in addition to all the drunk guys approaching. I suspect during the day in non social venues it's more rare, sure, but I think you're under estimating the amount of guys who DAF and just approach. And again, that's not even counting …
/r/seduction22/01/22 10:01 PM
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They get approached at the club, at the bar, at school, work, the park, the coffee shop, etc. And the more attractive they are, the more it happens. Idk why you lot pretend there aren't tons of overly confident guys who just approach, bc their are. Not to mention all the attention and validation they get from OLD, social media, orbiters, etc. Women aren't conditioned to seek or even be receptive to cold approaching these days...unless you look like Richard Madden.
/r/seduction22/01/22 09:31 PM
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Most of them haven't been approached before? Lolwhat? Women get approached all the time especially if they're at least moderately attractive...Telling people otherwise is damaging. Women aren't so attention deprived they'll just latch onto any guy who approaches. Women are more selective now than they've even been.
/r/seduction22/01/22 09:19 PM
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most of them have never even been approached before Lol
/r/seduction22/01/22 07:03 PM
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Lower your standards
/r/seduction22/01/22 03:51 PM
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Lol suuuure you would. I have no idea why people feel the need to lie online smh.
/r/seduction22/01/22 03:20 PM
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dude, how in the flying fuck am i supposed to know what you go through If 95% of the men in a thread are saying it doesn't happen, maybe take a small hint and realize you case is the exception...not the norm. It's basic deduction. I experience my own life. women are easy. Are you on dope or something? They're easy for you. Not everyone. Can you not process that basic distinction? If they were, threads like this wouldn't be made. Are you mentally ill? What part can't you comprehend? Ffs. Steph Cu…
/r/seduction22/01/22 08:28 AM
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That's your own problem, but the real issue is projecting and going around telling people women just approach everyone. They don't. Stop perpetuating that myth bc alot of guys don't know any better and expect it to happen to them, and when it doesn't, they get frustrated. If women approach you bc you're tall and good-looking, fine, great...congrats. But be objective enough to realize that's not common for most men and don't try to gaslight other who don't have that luxury.
/r/seduction22/01/22 05:22 AM
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Yep, let me go prove what I already know as a fact to some rando on reddit for literally no reason...lol. gAmE is cope for ugly people, and if you're ugly everything you do is deemed cringy, or weird or creepy, according to women, so it doesn't even matter. It's not "weak" or eXcUsEs, it's life.
/r/seduction22/01/22 05:11 AM
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I've seen plenty of proof that any guy can get many dates from approaching. Sure. Whatever you say, mate. As long as he's really physically attractive. Otherwise you'll just get tons of no responses or flaking. Any at least moderately attractive woman has far too many options from numerous sources to even viably consider some rando they've just met for a date, unless he looks like James Franco or has his bank account. It's not the 50s anymore. Women don't want to be approached by strangers anymo…
/r/seduction22/01/22 05:04 AM
2

LOL you're 6'4 and and you're down playing your looks. If every guy had those components I'm sure there wouldn't be dozens of threads made everyday with guys asking why women don't approach men, or other guys reiterating how thats simply not the case for the vast majority of men. Women are friendly when you're attractive. There's a hell of a lot of guys they aren't friendly to. Just bc they are to you specifically doesn't mean you get to project and somehow diminish all the men who women clearly…
/r/seduction22/01/22 04:49 AM
2

You're either more attractive than you're letting on just to try and prove a point or you're lying. Period.
/r/seduction22/01/22 03:36 AM
1

On rare occasions when women do cold approach is when they're drunk and have some courage Well yeah that's pretty much the same way it operates here. Idc how hot you are I don't think you really just get approached during the day at random places, but at like social places especially bars I've seen it happen. But idk. Maybe really hot guys just get approached at bars and coffee shops. I wouldn't know lol.
/r/seduction22/01/22 03:33 AM
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Tbh I think it's exactly the same in the US. But if you are really attractive some women do get bold. But for most every guy who isn't distracting good looking, you get subtle hints at best.
/r/seduction22/01/22 03:15 AM
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I think so much of it is advice given incorrectly. So many guys and women regurgitate that fairly tale advice of just being passive until princess charming makes a move and make it seem common. So when guys hear that and it doesn't happen to them, they get frustrated bc they're told it happens to all guys and they're anticipating it, but that's just blatant disinformation. Only the exceptional ones. If you don't look like Harry Styles or have a huge social circle, the onus falls on you.
/r/seduction22/01/22 03:14 AM
1

Women do position themselves and send signals pretty often. I mean some of them do...and to certain guys. I don't think this happens as often as some people think. Or people think just bc they recieve signals that everyone does. This isn't the case. I do have a friend thats really good looking and he gets approached at least 3 times a night. And that's the key. For all the guys asking, clearly they're not good-looking enough bc if they were they wouldn't have to ask if women approach ...it would…
/r/seduction22/01/22 02:48 AM
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But this is because you are in close proximity on a frequent basis. This. This x1000. This context needs to be glued to all anyone spewing the "the right on will come to you" BS. It rarely happens with strangers. It's only applicable when there's familiarity over time. Women don't just approach random strangers not in their social circle.
/r/seduction22/01/22 12:35 AM
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It can happen if you're really attractive. But seeking or expecting it is pointless and will lead to frustration and disappointment. You can't be passive and thst advice to just wait until princess charming swoops down I'd farcical and damaging tbh. It's a pipe dream.
/r/seduction22/01/22 12:32 AM
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Yeah I'm sure you're a regular Armie Hammer...Anyway, there's tons of good-looking guys with horrible childhoods that still slay tons on women despite tons of baggae of all sorts.. And sure, the anecdotal "I know a gang of blind, hunchback, leper dwarves that exclusively date 11/10 French ballerinas and Columbian yoga instructor scientist". It's BS. Period. Either those guys are rich, high status, or they met through their social circle and aftet years of trying they're getting some limited test…
/r/seduction21/01/22 10:20 PM
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Ok, cowboy...why mention she called you creepy? Obviously it was trolling or she was buttthurt or you're just trolling.
/r/seduction21/01/22 08:16 PM
0

Good for you two, I guess
/r/seduction21/01/22 07:54 PM
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cOpE. Clearly you're not that good-looking of you were just being overtly needy. Sure I don't mean just be a total, actual uber creep, loser and you get a pass....why do you lot have to be literal to try and prove a point? What I'm saying is if you're good-looking you can be douchy, sleazy, gross, perverted and you get a pass. About all you can't do is be weak, timid or self-conscious, coincidentally. You have so much more of grace period in terms of what's deemed acceptable. If you're ugly you …
/r/seduction21/01/22 06:34 PM
1

WTF is Fb one?
/r/seduction21/01/22 06:02 PM
2

Being better looking than her doesn't mean you're not ugly.
/r/seduction21/01/22 06:01 PM
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Um...no. You're either good looking or you're not. I've worked on every physical aspect of myself, but none of that compensates for having the "right" face. There's so much competition on OLD unless you're the very best looking, women literally won't even look at your profile bc they have SO many options. Even the ugly ones gets hundreds of matches. It's more like be white and be good-looking or you literally have no chance for even an opportunity.
/r/seduction21/01/22 04:40 PM
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Bc I don't look like Andrew Garfield or Armie Hammer.
/r/seduction21/01/22 04:31 PM
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Moreover let women come to you, the best relationship I have known is when the girl makes the same effort as the guy...them right ones won't just sit there watching you make all the effort You lot need to stop with this princess charming BS. Women don't just come to you...unless you look like Henry Cavil. This farcical advice is what has so many men passive and just waiting on the sidelines for some women to notice them, which in thr vast majority of cases, will never happen.
/r/seduction21/01/22 04:25 PM
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It's common sense. Anyone who actually goes out socially around other people can see it...tangibly. It's subconscious on both side. You can just see good-looking guys get away with so much more. It's blatant. Look at all the good-looking sleazy, perry guys who can away with murder until its at the point they're literally just molesting someone. While a ugly guy is always preemptively flat out avoided or common behavior is just deemed weird, invasive, unwanted, rude, etc. If you don't beleive tha…
/r/seduction21/01/22 03:52 PM
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Dude you have two options: get yourself on the level of those attractive women. Either by getting rich or really in shape, getting a better wardrobe or by having high status or social proof. Or lower your standards. There's a huge middle ground between hot and ugly. If you're ugly yourself you need to be more realistic. Or just be alone lol. The entitlement of guys here is something else. Only on the internet do ugly guys who don't work on themselves think they deserve hot women and are too good…
/r/seduction21/01/22 03:40 PM
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This is cope and its sounds like you're trying to convince yourself. Physical beauty isn't all that subjective. By in large, most people find the same aspect or components attractive. Those short ugly guys that are successful with women either have low standards, are rich, have status, or they're just overly charismatic and social. If you're good looking women will give you a pass and allow pretty much any otherwise weird/creepy behavior just bc you're attractive. "Oh he's just mysterious", "oh …
/r/seduction21/01/22 03:21 PM
2

Looks matter. If you have good-looking face and body, none of that stuff matters. You can do most anything short of molestation and women will find away to explain in. But yea, if you're ugly, then context, and familiarity, and personal space, boundaries, etc matter. Then you're on eggshells bc anything could be deemed inflammatory or egregious. That's my point.
/r/seduction21/01/22 03:08 PM
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They're easily better than nothing. Guys who can use dating apps have a privilege and don't even recognize it smh
/r/seduction21/01/22 02:50 PM
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No, realistically she would tell you're anxious and leave for a more confident man that will challenge her.
/r/seduction21/01/22 02:43 PM
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Lower their standards. No one wants to hear it, but it's true. Too many low value guys here have a weird, unhealthy, unrealistic obsession with getting nothing but 11/10 super models. If you're not exceptional in some way, it pointless to only see the best looking women who have more options than she can count. Maybe look towards just pretty, cute or average women if you yourself aren't winning any modeling contests. Or just compensate in other areas. You don't need to be pretty or tall to get a…
/r/seduction21/01/22 02:42 PM
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No thanks, it would make me anxious lol
/r/seduction21/01/22 02:19 PM
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Lol you're some rando on reddit...idgaf if you're insecure or not. If not being able to talk to women isn't motivation enough, nothing is. Just stay a loser bc the bag under your eyes are too much of an affliction to fix...lol
/r/seduction21/01/22 12:30 PM
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Getting dates from random women you never met isn't logistical unless you're really attractive. She has tons of guys on OLD, SM and her social circle...she's not going to just give a stranger a shot. The reality is if you're a man who can't use OLD or you don't have a huge social circle, you have no real way to get dates...
/r/seduction21/01/22 12:29 PM
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Lol ok just remain insecure then. Your choice.
/r/seduction21/01/22 12:26 PM
1

Christ I wish I could use dating apps...must be nice.
/r/seduction21/01/22 12:22 PM
-4

So...work on your looks? Duh.
/r/seduction21/01/22 12:14 PM
1

Do what Sammy Sosa did
/r/seduction21/01/22 12:12 PM
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Be white
/r/seduction21/01/22 12:07 PM
3

This is a fact. Women for every culture and ethnicity prefer white women, so they have a much easier time getting women.
/r/seduction21/01/22 11:36 AM
1

Sure...but I think the fact that he's conventially attractive goes a long way as well...lol
/r/seduction21/01/22 04:19 AM
2

In MGKs case he's a pretty boy, so women are just going to be into him regardless. With Davidson there has to be more to it lol.
/r/seduction21/01/22 03:43 AM
2

Smh
/r/seduction21/01/22 02:59 AM
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It's much more than that. I've done work. I run 5x a week, I'm 6'3, I dress well, I have have a skin regimes, etc and it hasn't given me any more confidence. Not to me to mention being a tall black guy nearly anything I do could be perceived as too aggressive or whatever so it makes flirting and touching much more difficult.
/r/seduction21/01/22 02:40 AM
1

Lol well I'll just say you're in the vast minority there.
/r/seduction21/01/22 02:33 AM
1

Ok, I didn't know this was framed regarding bars specifically but ok, that changes things a bit. I have to be honest, I'm really very bothered by this framework of seduction that just totally doesn't account for what we want. It's like, by peddling this notion that if guys have "game" or a nice personality all of a sudden, women just have zero agency or little to no say in their ability to resist your advances, even if you're unattractive. But who said the guy was unattractive to begin with? You…
/r/seduction21/01/22 02:24 AM
12

Ask someone who's going to be completely honest. And I mean you can get an estimation yourself. When you go to a bar or something, you as the alpha there and compare yourself to him. Are you in similar shape? Are you dressed as well or better? Are women giving you signs or attention? How do women react to you? Do the attractive one act different? I think honestly most guys know how attractive they are...either internally or externally.
/r/seduction21/01/22 02:06 AM
0

You're right, maybe I am. But oftentimes that strong attractiveness is created by more than just physical aspects. And it's not like straight guys don't get specifically fixated on particular women.
/r/seduction21/01/22 02:03 AM
2

No, you said women value physical attraction as much as men, and in most cases that's a lie. You're projecting. Maybe you're more shallow or physically selective or w/e, but there's no way to explain the disparity of attractiveness women with ugly dudes(when they're not rich or high status). The inverse is extremely rare. An objectively attractive guy is going to just go for a average women if he's desperate, not an ugly or far one, and certainly not date her.. An attractive woman will opt for a…
/r/seduction21/01/22 01:54 AM
43

You're only creepy if you're ugly tbh. If you're attractive, most anything you do will be explained way by the woman in question and spun in a positive light.
/r/seduction21/01/22 01:44 AM
4

Women sleep with some really physically unattractive guys, and the inverse is only true when a guy is desperate or just a loser. I'm not saying physical attractiveness isn't important to women, but not as imperative as it is to men. Women are attracted to demeanor, status, confidence, aura, humor and all the stuff. Guys mostly don't gaf about any of that and there's no way to compensate.
/r/seduction21/01/22 01:41 AM
0

You're minimizing it. Unless you're exclusively talking about drunken sluts at a bar, a lot of women legitimately won't even know if they're interested in you instantly unless you're just really hot or a fat slob. Yeah, playing 21 questions isn't the way to go, but it's not all instantaneous.
/r/seduction21/01/22 01:39 AM
0

Lower your standards.
/r/seduction21/01/22 01:36 AM
1

Didn't one of them say he has a huge dick or something? That would explain alot...Say what you want about him, he's obviously confident af, comfortable in his own skin and he's got that alternative/ bad boy thing down pact and some people find him funny. And I don't think he's ugly, but if you're white women grade you on a curve anyway lol.
/r/seduction21/01/22 01:35 AM
3

So you're saying there's a chance....?
/r/seduction20/01/22 10:50 PM
1

And this is where I say your lack of strip club experience is clouding your judgement. A stripper is still a human at the end of the day. That comes with her having emotions, boundaries, expectations, a personality, likes and dislikes. So does a prostitute...why does it matter? You're paying them for a service. Does talking to a cashier or the barista at Starbucks translate to talking to the girl sitting at the table and isn't serving you with an incentive to be nice? No, bc the dynamics are tot…
/r/seduction20/01/22 09:56 PM
1

It's like practicing how to do a layup then going into a real game expecting to hit a three. The experience you get from doing something so easy doesn't help you when you're talking to a woman that has no bias or motivated to do so. There's no pressure and it's safe.
/r/seduction20/01/22 09:32 PM
1

But there’s a clear difference between a stripper that actually enjoys your company and vibe. And one that’s just doing a job. And it’s dead easy to spot. And sometimes I rather have the second to be honest. Lol this sounds pretty simpy tbh. It's like saying there's some prostitutes that genuinely enjoy your company...it's called acting and it doesn't matter bc you're either paying them or they're anticipating that you are. But to some this up… strippers are still people at the end of the day. S…
/r/seduction20/01/22 09:28 PM
6

Unless you're rich or look like Armie Hammer this is a lie that just makes you passive and subsequently frustrated. You have go to them. Even a average women has tons of validation and options...they're not going to approach you unless you're hugely exceptional in some way. You can sit at a Starbucks and wish for Princess Charming to swoop down lol. It's such bad advice and it's regurgitated so often...
/r/seduction20/01/22 08:32 PM
1

The important thing is learning that attractive people, are still just people. But only when you give them money to talk to you..that's what I mean. Like I totally get what you're saying...but to talk to strippers than totally avoid women altogether..and I mean it's still women. But I feel like overall it does more harm than good bc of how much it will influence someone's perspective of talking to women...especially if they lack experience.
/r/seduction20/01/22 08:23 PM
-4

Welp I guess I'm weak then lol.
/r/seduction20/01/22 07:12 PM
-6

It doesn't matter that they're good looking, it's that the entire interaction is a lie. There's no pressure because those stippers want something from you, so they'll be much more accommodating than a regular woman would. Talking to women that are literally just being nice to you bc they want money =/= talking to regular women. Especially regular attractive women bc they're not going to just be nice hoping you have more $ bills in your pocket. Good that it worked for you or whatever, but it does…
/r/seduction20/01/22 07:11 PM
3

Now you're moving the goal post and it seems like you're trolling lol. If you're some brilliant, popular dancer and she knows and AND she isn't bitchy or stuck up, what's the problem? If you've met her before and you have status...how is there an issue? Just talk to her.
/r/seduction20/01/22 06:56 PM
2

You lot with no experience really need to stop obsessing over the hottest women you see. Like maybe lower your standards realistically until you're on a somewhat similar level. If not, you're just seeking frustration and disappointment.
/r/seduction20/01/22 06:35 PM
8

Experience what it is like to have sexual tension, even though somewhat artifical, in the air. And that negates the entire point of going to a strip club to mitigate nervousness. The way women act there won't align with outside women who aren't acting in a particular manner bc they want your money.(at least not literally....lol) It's all a ruse and fake in a strip club, so the experience and how the women act and what they respond to will be totally different with real women, and your nervousnes…
/r/seduction20/01/22 06:28 PM
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I've never been good at this. It always feels like I'm encroaching or forcing it if I do any kind of touching or flirting.
/r/seduction20/01/22 05:34 PM
2

Uh-oh, BUSTED
/r/seduction20/01/22 05:21 PM
2

Damn, I read a lot of crap on this thread, but this is pretty inspirational. Still not enough for me to do anything lol, but still. Nice work dude.
/r/seduction20/01/22 04:20 PM
2

If you're a dude you have to be really attractive to use Tinder though. It's a luxury not a given.
/r/seduction19/01/22 11:09 PM
1

Lolno
/r/seduction19/01/22 11:09 PM
4

Talk to people, make jokes say interesting things. Don't be passive. Get cool with the cool guys. Cool guys aren't the enemy, that's who you should associate with if you're going after the popular hot girls.
/r/seduction19/01/22 10:46 PM
0

Are you serious? You don't know what extroverted means?
/r/seduction19/01/22 09:58 PM
2

women will literally approach you if she finds you attractive but it's subtle Smh. Only if you're a Chad or visibly rich.
/r/seduction19/01/22 08:44 PM
8

Be extroverted or lower your standards.
/r/seduction19/01/22 08:06 PM
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Whatever dude. I can see now why you made this thread. Someone as overtly sensitive and high-strung as you probably would literally needs a woman to tell them "this touch good" or "me no like this touch" smh.
/r/seduction19/01/22 07:25 PM
-7

Lol calm down...that is in no way "boosting my ego" and I wasn't being facetious. If you can't tell the signs that a woman is either for or against you touching her via her reactions...well...oof.
/r/seduction19/01/22 07:04 PM
-8

Bro...if you have to ask...
/r/seduction19/01/22 06:29 PM
1

Dude do some Google searches. I'm not a white man or an Asian women so tbh I don't really gaf.
/r/seduction19/01/22 06:03 PM
10

smh
/r/seduction19/01/22 04:51 PM
1

if you mean tattoos/piercings/alternative music tastes That's exactly what I mean. I think it might be a cultural difference for black and Latina women vs white women as white women are just more direct and less into traditional gender roles. Maybe you have to be more willing to approach because the men I talk to usually pursue me and I prefer it that way. ...that's extremely unfortunate considering I have approach anxiety. So much for having it easier with your own race lol.
/r/seduction19/01/22 04:44 PM
1

You're only considered a creep, pervert, weird, etc if you're ugly.
/r/seduction19/01/22 04:12 PM
1

Funny...on the few occasions a woman approaches or notices me, she's white. I literally can't remember the last time a black girl approached me lol.. I'm 6'3, in shape, I dress really well, I groom, I'm hygenic, etc but I don't exactly seem to be on black girls radar. And I've literally never had a Latin women even know I exist. And in terms of the penchant for white guys, it doesn't even seem like just mixed women, but alternative black women too usually opt for a white guy. I guess an alternat…
/r/seduction19/01/22 03:42 PM
1

I think it's less where you're located and more that you case is an outlier. Especially with mixed women.
/r/seduction19/01/22 03:09 PM
2

It's pure gaslighting. And it can be maddening af for people who actually seek advice and don't know any better.
/r/seduction19/01/22 02:45 PM
0

Simp
/r/seduction19/01/22 02:17 PM
-2

Stop being such a simp. Guys know what they want...even women will tell you at this they can't even quantify it or explain it. So many soyboys smh
/r/seduction19/01/22 01:36 PM
2

Just be confident and groom bro
/r/seduction19/01/22 01:29 PM
18

Phuck no. Unless "just being yourself" is naturally a Chad, it's counter-intuitive advice. Oftentimes you have to be a better or different person to get women. If "being yourself" is some fat, gamer slob who never leaves the house, you're fecked. It demphasizes progression and working on yourself and gives false, unrealistic hope. And the "women will come to you" line is cope. Again, unless you're a Chad, really good-looking or rich, this isn't the case. You just get ignored. You can't advise th…
/r/seduction19/01/22 01:29 PM
9

Telling the truth here is deemed "sexist". Women will tell you they want a nIcE gUy the entire time they really only look to get railed by Chads, then you go try and be a nice guy and see how you repel women. They're never honest with men in regards to how to get women. They just tell you what they think they should say, not how it really is.
/r/seduction19/01/22 12:14 PM
0

This is heavy cope.
/r/seduction19/01/22 12:00 PM
1

0FC they differ, but on thr majority of the time they align with Asian women. I have no reason to make this up, there's statistics everywhere to back this up.
/r/seduction19/01/22 11:49 AM
2

Do some search on census and surveys of what men consider the most attracted or preferable race. I think you'll find one common statistic lol
/r/seduction19/01/22 11:47 AM
1

Then I'd give 5 or 6 inches to be good-looking. That's more important in terms of attracting women.
/r/seduction19/01/22 11:45 AM
1

As a black guy my actual preference is Latina and especially mixed black girls, but most of them seem to, at least here, gravitate to white guys. Often pretty...average white guys. I do think much of is it status, and it's pretty outdated, but I do think for many women, it's still very much alive. With guys,, white women just seems like the default. Idk, maybe it's because I'm more alternative and alternative black guys are well...a hard sell it seems lol. That’s why it’s trendy to get lip and b…
/r/seduction19/01/22 05:50 AM
1

I...never considered this. I do have a resting bitch face and I'm black lol...so couple with being tall and really well dressed likely doesn't exactly make it easy for women to approach me. Idk, I just always assumed if they were remotely interested they would approach, but I suppose the guys who get approached more often look more approachable...I get tons of compliments from guys on my outfit, or saying I look cool, but I've always wondered why women rarely notice or compliment me.
/r/seduction19/01/22 05:44 AM
1

But my height and wardrobe should compensate for that...
/r/seduction19/01/22 05:22 AM
1

I guess? I've been told that sometimes...lol I never smile. I...literally look away with eye contact nc I assume it's an accident...
/r/seduction19/01/22 05:19 AM
1

I don't give up a creepy vibe...maybe aloof or kinda distant but I'm not weird or anything...
/r/seduction19/01/22 05:01 AM
1

That being said it's better to be cute and short than tall and ugly. This. Don't know why no one wants to acknowledge this...
/r/seduction19/01/22 04:27 AM
1

How is that any different than just getting a girl bc you're tall or good-looking? I mean I do get it...but to totally dismiss it is frustrating.
/r/seduction19/01/22 03:23 AM
1

Many people will have preconceived opinions of someone just based on race and there is nothing one can do about that other than show who they are and improve what they can, and see what that gets them in life: it’s pointless to focus on things we can't control it will mess up your mental state constantly. I'm guilty of this myself, but it's baffling so many people focus what they can't change instead of what they can or advantages they so have. Also most white guys know this, that's why some wil…
/r/seduction19/01/22 02:35 AM
3

No, alot of intellectual or very financially successful white dudes love Asian women...like a lot.
/r/seduction19/01/22 02:07 AM
1

But other factors they can control or fix. That should motivate them. If I knew all I had to do was be in shape, not dress like a slob or be a douche and I'd have large caches of women who would like me just bc...that would be a godsend to hear. But too many guys here fixate and obsess over getting nothing but 11/10s with no effort so it probably wouldn't matter anyway...
/r/seduction19/01/22 01:27 AM
3

You'd be hard-pressed to fine a man of any race say "no, I'm not into white girls"...maybe a white guy with a Latina or Asian fetish but beyond that...lol. White women are pretty globally selected as the preference.
/r/seduction19/01/22 01:17 AM
5

Older women are usually honest bc they can't afford to be aloof or indifferent like younger women can, I wouldn't discard their compliments. I'm sure you're disinterest helped attract them, but women don't approach ugly guys who look disinterested lols.
/r/seduction19/01/22 01:07 AM
2

Western media has a lot to do with it and people consume a lot of that all over the world. This is a HUGE part of it, but it's funny bc so many people want to pretend this has no influence and how could it not? It shapes the standards and preferences worldwide. It's magazine covers, ads, etc have the ideal man looking like Harry Styles, that's what women will desire. It's embedded. Hell even in sports...the media pushes Ronaldo, Tom Brady or Jimmy G as attractive, not Russell Wilson or Steph Cur…
/r/seduction19/01/22 01:00 AM
2

I think white men prefer Asian women, but collectively I would beleive it vastly veers toward a preference for white women overall. Hell, virtually every ethnicity puts white women on a pedestal. Black, Latino, Asian, Indian, etc.
/r/seduction19/01/22 12:35 AM
2

I do think in like overly fair/Aryan there is a sect of people attracted to different features bc its so homogeneous, but that appears to be a small minority.
/r/seduction19/01/22 12:26 AM
3

I'm black. I'm not saying it's literally impossible to succeed with foreign women if you're ethnic, I'm saying you're at a huge disadvantage if you're non-white. When foreign women think of an American, they envision a white guy, so if you're not that it's an added hurdle that negates it being a benefit at all like it is when you're a white American. Sure you can possibly succeed with a foreign woman if you're ethnic, but there's no privilege or luxury there as if you were Aryan. And that's the …
/r/seduction19/01/22 12:06 AM
-1

You're only creepy if you're ugly
/r/seduction18/01/22 11:38 PM
0

Bro, we’re talking about men here not women, when I said the reverse isn’t true I meant men’s beauty standards aren’t going out of their way to have white features like straightened hair or skin lightening products in the same manner as women do. Ok, I'll grant you that. My point was since men don’t do these things but women do, the argument can be made that beauty standards favours white women, but since men don’t do these things, and what makes men attractive is different to what makes women a…
/r/seduction18/01/22 11:36 PM
6

If a white guy is just in shape and not ugly, he's pretty much set. If he's tall well he might as well be Henry Cavil to them. No one wants to hear this, but with women in general, being white is basically easy mode. If you're ethnic you essentially have to be the best possible version of yourself to compare to an average white guy in women's eyes.
/r/seduction18/01/22 11:30 PM
3

When a foreign women thinks of some exotic American, she's thinking of a tall white guy, true, but a white guy nonetheless.
/r/seduction18/01/22 11:26 PM
1

Why?
/r/seduction18/01/22 11:25 PM
4

...bc itis a given. Of course you don't see the inverse because fair/Caucasian features are constantly preferable by every culture on the planet. That's why Asians use skin lightening products, and why black and brown women straighten their hair. Those are the features placed on a pedestal, so they're then ones replicated. What? I didn't say white people recieve criticism for interracial dating. Quite the opposite. I said ethnic women seek them out, prefer them and often grant them special privi…
/r/seduction18/01/22 11:21 PM
3

Even if a white guy isn't a preference, he'll still be an option. Not to mention to ethnic foreign women white guys are "exotic". You hear all the times of a white American going to an Asian, Latin or Indian country and being treated like a god.
/r/seduction18/01/22 11:12 PM
0

Is water wet? Do most guys find white girls more attractive than other races? Duh... The standard of beauty in pretty much every culture is Aryan and fair features. Not to mention there's no derogatory or negative streotyped associated with dating white men, while foreign women will assume they're all rich. Yes, of course there's a few exceptions here and there and some women fetishize ethnic men, but the vast majority of women's preference or default for attraction is white.
/r/seduction18/01/22 11:11 PM
5

That defeats the entire point. OFC women make exceptions for rich guys. All women everywhere do that. If you're rich you can just get domestic women.. But most men aren't rich, so the only people who actually have the advantage of foreign women are white. My initial point still stands.
/r/seduction18/01/22 11:05 PM
5

Don't be daft, you know what I mean. Foreign women love white Americans, not ethnic ones.
/r/seduction18/01/22 10:56 PM
14

Be attractive and extroverted
/r/seduction18/01/22 10:31 PM
16

You must be pretty attractive OP bc in the vast majority of most cases if a guy did that he'd just be ignored.
/r/seduction18/01/22 10:29 PM
1

Congratulations
/r/seduction18/01/22 10:25 PM
11

Stop being fat
/r/seduction18/01/22 10:08 PM
-8

American women aren’t your only option. Yea, if you're white
/r/seduction18/01/22 10:04 PM
2

You're only weird if you're ugly
/r/seduction18/01/22 08:31 PM
1

I keep telling people here this. I'm 6'3, and I'm in shape and I dress well, groom, etc but I'm kinda ugly so women don't care or notice me. Height is a nice buffer...that's it. I would gladly trade 4 inches of my height for a good-looking face. That's more important than anything. Think about it, some women don't even like tall guys and all you have to be is taller than them. There's diminishing returns.. Yet no women is going to not want a guy to be good-looking lol.
/r/seduction18/01/22 07:15 PM
1

Smh
/r/seduction18/01/22 10:59 AM
-6

Whatever dude. This place is full of first world problems and habitual whingers.
/r/seduction18/01/22 10:56 AM
2

I would love a legitimate answer to this. For peope like myself who's worked on themselves...in shape, great wardrobe, groom and have skin and hair regimes, actually go out, etc yet we never have that ease or even possibility of finding women. Its like for some people it's sooo easy and for some of us, despite the work but in, it never happens. People say all the time "when you're not looking, she'll find you" or some silly, fairytale crap like that...and clearly that just seems to only happen t…
/r/seduction18/01/22 03:42 AM
2

Get a new one
/r/seduction17/01/22 11:11 PM
0

No one keeps trying without goodwill. If I was some fat slob who never left the house, or didn't work on myself, that would be one thing, but you cant get nothing and someone expect to actually get something at some point. It's not sustainable.
/r/seduction17/01/22 10:48 PM
0

I'm 6'3, I have a legitimate interest in high fashion so I dress extremely well, I wear 300$ TF cologne, I have hair, skin and grooming regimes to the point of metrosexuality, I run 5x a week, etc. I've done everything one can do to work on their physical sans plastic surgery, but I'm kinda ugly so one of that will compensate for that. It's not about being defeated before trying...I've done the work and it's made no difference. The last thing I have to worry about is being pushy bc at this point…
/r/seduction17/01/22 10:30 PM
6

They can't be all bad. It could be worse. Imagine not being able to get a date. Oh, you can't. Nothing is worse than nothing. You have opportunities...do something with them.
/r/seduction17/01/22 09:53 PM
1

I'm not saying it "can't he done". As I said, I'm sure it happens, but to specific kinds of guys. There's random exceptions to every rule, but that doesn't negate that overall having a woman you just met, who is at least moderatly attractive, inviting you to her home is going to be scarcely rare unless you're good-looking, rich or a Chad. So rare it's not even worth considering. It's not impossible to get struck by lightning, but it's not remotely likely either. Some guy on reddit saying it happ…
/r/seduction17/01/22 09:43 PM
51

At least you can actually get dates...This is the most first of first world problems. Pure cope.
/r/seduction17/01/22 08:23 PM
1

Tell the world you're a simp without telling the world you're a simp
/r/seduction17/01/22 07:22 PM
-3

People just spew the same tired false platitudes and regurgitate the same hollow rhetoric. "Work on yourself", "put yourself outhere" "they'll come when you least expect it", "groom, get in shape and get a better wardrobe", "jUsT bE cOnFiDeNt", etc. Everyone who gives "advice" just assume you're a fat, grotesque socially inept slob who never leaves the house. For all the people who actually have worked on themselves extensively and things haven't changed, they just move the goal post. Somehow th…
/r/seduction17/01/22 06:41 PM
1

Whatever you say mr. "Embrace the feminine". Bruce Jenner over here...
/r/seduction17/01/22 05:33 PM
-1

You literally said "do the girly stuff" and "embrace the feminine". You're clearly a guy who urinates sitting down to say the least. This guy isn't asking for advice on transitioning lol
/r/seduction17/01/22 05:28 PM
-2

embracing the feminine ....lol this guy is clearly projecting. This is horrid advice unless you're a beta soyboy.
/r/seduction17/01/22 05:22 PM
2

You have to go to a bar and hit on drunk chicks, it's the only way. I don't do it so that's why i'm in your shoes. Also people who say it comes to you when you least expect it are stupid af and just get lucky by chance, or they're women This, a thousand times this.
/r/seduction17/01/22 04:54 PM
-5

Tbh plastic surgery or getting rich
/r/seduction17/01/22 04:38 PM
2

Be good-looking. You're only creepy if you're ugly.
/r/seduction17/01/22 02:50 PM
3

Look at the big simp over here... The issue is too many women these days are uber shallow, selective and entitled bc of simps and validation from SM or OLD. That's not a PhD, it's not a real reason for entitlement, it's just a bloated, inflated ego bc of weak or thirsty men.
/r/seduction17/01/22 02:46 PM
2

Depends on how good-looking you are.
/r/seduction17/01/22 02:44 PM
1

If you're someone with low self-esteem or approach anxiety you can't just keep approaching and failing with no success and somehow keep trying. Trial and error isn't an option, you'd just give up first.
/r/seduction17/01/22 02:43 PM
1

Like armie hammer or Andrew Garfield
/r/seduction17/01/22 02:37 PM
2

Not bitter...what do you want me to do? Postrate? I'm sure it must be nice, but you're projecting. That's certainly not my experience. You're either better looking than you think or you're rich.
/r/seduction17/01/22 05:49 AM
1

Never validate a woman.
/r/seduction17/01/22 02:24 AM
-2

Watch porn and replicate
/r/seduction17/01/22 02:06 AM
0

Bc the truth hurts and the kids here want to live in some fantasy world
/r/seduction17/01/22 02:05 AM
0

Good for you.
/r/seduction17/01/22 02:00 AM
0

Hand her a credit card
/r/seduction16/01/22 11:22 PM
1

Success or positive reinforcement
/r/seduction16/01/22 11:17 PM
-3

This only applies if you're good-looking or a Chad. Otherwise random women you just met aren't inviting you to their house. If you're not, you're either just going to be politely dismissed at best. But most likely ignored or called weird and/or creepy.
/r/seduction16/01/22 07:27 PM
2

If you're attractive enough to actually get matches and dates, or course.
/r/seduction16/01/22 04:24 PM
-1

That's only true of you have a more or less healthy self-esteem. If you feel like you're unattractive / a loser / a creep etc., than a rejection will just confirm your negative self-view. You won't feel bold, your mind will say "seee, I told you, you dumb loser". Generic advice like that simply doesn't work. People who have issues cannot solve them through a few sentences of "just do it bro". This. Said it better than I could've. "Advice" like this is just for Chads or highly attractive/highly s…
/r/seduction16/01/22 03:37 PM
4

None of them
/r/seduction16/01/22 03:17 PM
-3

Be good looking
/r/seduction16/01/22 02:53 AM
117

First world problems smh
/r/seduction16/01/22 01:59 AM
1

That's a very weird way to think. I've hooked up with tons of girls and very few gave me IOI's first. That's great...good for you but Its a totally logistical way to think. And you're projecting. I'd assume you're white and not ugly, so if I was that and didn't have approach anxiety and low self-esteem I could approach random women too. In my case it's a complete waste of time. But based on your tone, I genuinely don't think you want to get better results and if that's the case no one can help y…
/r/seduction15/01/22 11:08 PM
1

And kind of proves the point I'm getting at: unless you become legitimately famous women aren't going to be coming to you very often. That's bc of my face, I'm kinda ugly and none of the physical aspects I've worked on is enough to compensate. If I was just not ugly, with the rest of my attributes, they'd actually notice me or leat least give IOIs. Which is why I'm asking how many women you've asked out— if the answer is low, then maybe that's why you're not getting any dates, not because you la…
/r/seduction15/01/22 10:50 PM
2

I've worked on myself as much as possible in terms of my physical aspects. I'm already 6'3, I wear 300$ TF cologne, I have a legitimate interest in high fashion so I have an immaculate wardrobe, I have hair, skin and grooming regimes to the point of being metro, I rub 5x a week, etc and it's made no noticeable difference in terms lf women noticing me.
/r/seduction15/01/22 09:54 PM
2

I totally understand women have sex for any number of reasons. And it's more frequent and accepted now more thst other...I just realize theyre also more shallow and selective than they've ever been. With all the options she has, all the unmerited validation she receives, she's just not likely to have sex with me lol
/r/seduction15/01/22 09:19 PM
1

I'm right a the brink of quitting
/r/seduction15/01/22 02:28 PM
1

Join the club...my face sucks too and I detest it
/r/seduction15/01/22 01:16 AM
2

I love how all this advice on the sub is for Chads and guys who look like Richard Madden but lack a little confidence. So useful...And this chit isn't even about approaching or seduction...get getting better dates or wtfever
/r/seduction14/01/22 08:45 PM
1

That's something that you are choosing. Those confident guys don't care about you or any other guy. Work on your inner game and the things you tell yourself and you'll see improvement with girls too. Just don't give a fuck man. Easier said than done.. I don't want to think about it or care, but it's like...how can you not? I just see guys who have it so much easier, and knowing every women has guys like that in her social hive...it just makes things seems futile. Nobody is stopping you from impr…
/r/seduction14/01/22 03:15 PM
1

So totally forget all the good-looking guys who aren't Chads or assholes who would clean up with being thought this as well. Point is the whiny betas will use anything as an excuses to whine and complain in lieu of taking action.
/r/seduction14/01/22 12:08 PM
2

And then the Chads would be even more Chady. You're just making and excuses and looking to blame someone for your own faults. Wtf does dating acumen have to do with a school curriculum? Blame your parents. And take some responsibility and stop being so passive and beta.
/r/seduction14/01/22 11:31 AM
2

Lol OFC 8s are respectable lays. Depending on your level a 6 can be enough if you just want sex lol. Man, those internet standards.
/r/seduction14/01/22 11:21 AM
5

Honestly, for what my opinion is worth I don’t think having high standards is a bad thing. What is bad is having high standards and not fitting those standards yourself. If you’re gonna hit on 9s and 10s you have to be able to look in the mirror and say you yourself are on that same level. Or else you’ll feel like you’re trying to attain something that is out No, this is exactly what I meant. There's nothing wrong with accepting nothing but the best...as long as you're on that level as well. If …
/r/seduction14/01/22 11:19 AM
3

Clearly they don't think that...lol. Go after men, or horses then.
/r/seduction14/01/22 04:22 AM
3

Lolok fine dude be depressed and cry because you're not exceptional enough for 10s yet also shallow. It's your life.
/r/seduction14/01/22 04:14 AM
10

Lol lower your standards. This dude is depressed yet only hits on 9s and 10s...wtf?? This sub has some weird obsession over attempting nothing but punching out of their league. You lot are delusional.
/r/seduction14/01/22 04:05 AM
3

A Chad
/r/seduction14/01/22 02:37 AM
1

Bro of course nobody says you have to be the same for every girl. You adapt depending on the girl. But the traits that are attractive on a subconscious level are universal, and it's why Dan says to work on them. It's up to every guy how he portraits those traits. But if you don't have them at all you're less attractive. I mean...I can't disagree with that, that's a pretty blanket way of looking at things. But they are bro. From my experience lots of girls can't wait to meet a confident and secur…
/r/seduction14/01/22 01:29 AM
0

Lol
/r/seduction14/01/22 12:11 AM
1

Lower your standards or get rich.
/r/seduction13/01/22 10:25 PM
3

I hate dating apps bc I'm too ugly to use them lol
/r/seduction13/01/22 10:24 PM
0

Doesn't make it any less true
/r/seduction13/01/22 09:46 PM
0

Plastic surgery?
/r/seduction13/01/22 09:46 PM
1

Like a Chad
/r/seduction13/01/22 06:09 PM
11

You're only creepy if you're ugly
/r/seduction13/01/22 06:09 PM
1

And that's how you know you should never approach...if you're just invisible to women and they never seek eye contact with you. Like in my case lol
/r/seduction13/01/22 05:53 PM
4

Depends on how attractive you are
/r/seduction13/01/22 03:44 PM
1

Be a Chad
/r/seduction13/01/22 11:44 AM
12

Tbh if not for porn I'd probably have the will to approach women tbh
/r/seduction13/01/22 01:20 AM
8

If you're an attractive fit white guy with an accent as well? Anywhere you want lol
/r/seduction13/01/22 12:54 AM
1

I mean I get that but the theme of the vid seemed more focused on inaction not pining over one particular target...
/r/seduction13/01/22 12:50 AM
1

...I think you just made that up tbh.
/r/seduction13/01/22 12:30 AM
1

You're only saying that because you don't have experience and you're missing the point. The things that Dan Bacon says are true for every girl. ALL GIRLS/WOMEN are attracted to the same main qualities in men, on a subconscious level: confidence, charisma, humor, masculine behavior, social intelligence, being sexual the right way, and emotional strength, among a few others. Sure every girl has a different personality but please show me one that doesn't like any of these traits in a man. Otherwise…
/r/seduction13/01/22 12:30 AM
1

Because that's the goal for many guys. Including me. Though his advice applies to any girl, except lesbians, but who knows if not there too. That's the issue...advice on how to get women isn't one size fits all. You don't go about trying to just get decent looking women the same way you would blatantly attractive women, This dude's advice is particular...it doesn't apply to all kind of women. Hell, no ones does because there's different rules and approaches needed for different women. The same w…
/r/seduction12/01/22 07:30 PM
1

Meh, there's a difference between optimism and being delusional. All this guy talks about is beautiful, hot, sexy women...that's not realistic to get for most guys. All the while random, stock photos of generic hotties are shown in the background...it's pretty vapid tbh. Pretty, cute and average women exist and any dude who exclusively refers to the hot ones is giving advice to guys in the corresponding field...not me. Also I can't take any of these dudes seriously who act like you can just walk…
/r/seduction12/01/22 06:36 PM
1

Don't be the lioness Except the lioness are the ones that actually do the hunting... Anyway, these "just go get a hot chick" spiels are really only for kids who don't know any better, good-looking guys or guys who are just easily led. Why is there always such a focus on hot, beautiful, and sexy women? Like every man just can't get a hot women and that's life. Many of the dudes are fat, dress like slobs and have horrid hygiene...they're not going to just get a hottie. People need to try and be mo…
/r/seduction12/01/22 06:01 PM
2

A Chad duh
/r/seduction12/01/22 11:20 AM
1

Yeah and I know a one eyed hunchback leper with ebola that only dates 11/10 French supermodels... Women these days she more shallow than ever with all the validation they get from OLD, SM, simps, orbiters from work, school, social circle, etc
/r/seduction12/01/22 11:15 AM
1

Be a Chad
/r/seduction12/01/22 02:10 AM
1

Looked at a couple of his videos...I will say, not what I expected. Not as cringy and try-hard as most others I've seen with some real logistical, informative content. That said, stuff like that just leans way too optimistic for me and I feel like it's advice for generic good-looking guys who just lack confidence or need a pep talk. That and many of his vids looks clickbaity and look filled with fake comments. Still, I see how they could help some people but I don't think they're applicable to s…
/r/seduction12/01/22 01:56 AM
1

It's bc all women like white guys...you lot have no negative cultural stereotypes and Aryan features are the standard of beauty worldwide. You lot are playing in easy mode lol.
/r/seduction12/01/22 12:58 AM
1

Yeah why would anyone lie/troll on the internet? That's never been done before lol. Also if your reports were that good you wouldn't have to spam them in every post on this sub. Even if you're not, it doesn't matter. Good for you, guy.
/r/seduction12/01/22 12:23 AM
0

Yea sure dude
/r/seduction12/01/22 12:09 AM
7

This is BS. If this was the case how come their uber convenient spidey sense doesn't go off when some Chad is a habitual woman beater or some James Frano is a woman hating serial rapist? Because women only notice(read assumes) that when the guy is ugly...then he's creepy or weird and she avoids or ignores him. Not bc of visible, repressed anger or actual signals of destructive behavior, but just bc he's ugly. While a good-looking guy can do or say some of the most sus af things and literally get…
/r/seduction11/01/22 09:29 PM
-1

Yep. You're either a Chad or you aren't. Game is a myth.
/r/seduction11/01/22 09:22 PM
0

This is cope.
/r/seduction11/01/22 09:10 PM
1

Unless you're in small town America, women are very open minded as far as dating is concerned So conservative women or women with their own strict racial preferences don't live in major metropolitans? Or rural areas? They're just all related to small towns? Do people read before they type? This is a really ignorant thing to say. It's like saying all racism or prejudice is cured in big cities bc only literally uber liberals live there....No, that's not how the world works. Also a woman can be tot…
/r/seduction11/01/22 09:02 PM
1

I mean, your English isn't bad at all. But idk what it is with random people mentioning they have a GFs while making light that I don't. I take great care of my hair/face/grooming, I run 5x a week, I have a pretty strict diet, I spend thousands of dollars on clothes and cologne and I'm 6'3. If I can have nothing while someone who doesn't do any of that can get what they want, it simply means the game is rigged and there's nothing I can do. That my effort just can't compensate for my lack of look…
/r/seduction11/01/22 07:35 PM
1

Bc I can't get a first one...lol
/r/seduction11/01/22 06:09 PM
1

Pretty much everything in life is, but you're telling me it has no bearing on approaching women? Lol.
/r/seduction11/01/22 06:05 PM
1

I have no problem looking someone in the eye while talking to them, but I'm literally incapable of holding eye contact with a woman I don't know. I look away instantly as I assume it's always accidental and would be weird if held.
/r/seduction11/01/22 05:09 PM
2

You're right dude.
/r/seduction11/01/22 03:29 PM
2

You're right dude. I don't buy into the whole dating coach thing, but I do have to find a way to just get over the anxiety I have and stop being afraid of rejection.
/r/seduction11/01/22 03:28 PM
-1

Depends on how good-looking you are...
/r/seduction11/01/22 11:47 AM
1

You mean why am I making sense?
/r/seduction11/01/22 11:20 AM
2

If you say so, mate.
/r/seduction11/01/22 02:56 AM
1

But the anxiety percents you from approaching...it's a catch 22.
/r/seduction11/01/22 02:21 AM
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This. I mean...duh. It's even worse for me bc I have weird taste in women, and sometimes the ones I'm attracted to look kinda weird but if I'm attracted to her it ultimately makes it difficult to approach her regardless.
/r/seduction11/01/22 12:59 AM
1

I haven't approached in years and I'm in better shape and easily have a far better wardrobe than I did back then.
/r/seduction11/01/22 12:52 AM
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If you're 6'3" you've got nothing to worry about People really need to stop with this.
/r/seduction11/01/22 12:03 AM
0

Lolno. As long as they're moderately attractive men are still going to hit on them.
/r/seduction10/01/22 11:22 PM
1

....if a woman is making eye contact and smiling at you how could you be hesitant to approach then? I could see if they were ignoring or giving you no signs at all...but getting positive affirmations then thinking you're imposing is nonsenical.
/r/seduction10/01/22 11:12 PM
1

Ah no, you can't be aware that she's interested...then try and convince yourself you're bothering her or prevent her from talking to someone better....wtf? Why and how are you even concerned with that?
/r/seduction10/01/22 09:37 PM
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This has to be trolling. Literally no one can be this beta...especially not after admitting the women already demonstrated interest.
/r/seduction10/01/22 09:28 PM
1

Lower your standards.
/r/seduction10/01/22 08:22 PM
2

Literally this. Confidence is created from positive reaffirmation or success....how TF is someone supposed to have an mentality of surplus when they have very little?
/r/seduction10/01/22 08:22 PM
1

Yikes...no thanks. Not trying to follow a clickbait, try hard dating coach.
/r/seduction10/01/22 08:08 PM
0

.....status. Just like groupies with rockstars or actors or whatever else. "Money for nothing, and chicks for free". It's about the appeal of even just fucking that person. Stop being obtuse, this is common sense. This doesn't apply to regular people...unless you're just an uber Chad. I still have no idea why you mentioned it. The point was, if you're black and not one of those rappers, you're not going to have women do that. but I will damn well get through a decent amount of women relatively w…
/r/seduction10/01/22 07:40 PM
1

Idk man...it's been a lot of time. At this point I just wish I could go out and just get rejected and not care, but it seems I care way too much.
/r/seduction10/01/22 07:24 PM
1

Look, I'm not going to sit here and say black guys don't get laid...ofc...but you can't pretend there's isn't a steeper degree of difficulty for black dudes. You can't just pretend biases, the aryan standard of beauty being the norm, stereotypes, lack of exposure, and stigmas somehow don't make a difference. Also "basically equal among girls with no preference" that's nearly impossible. Not even just women, pretty much every person has a preferential race, so that means the advantage is going to…
/r/seduction10/01/22 06:37 PM
1

Are you on dope? They do it bc those guys have status and money, not because the women think they're hot. Same as any star of any race where the guy isn't good-looking. Again, this isn't applicable to normal people. What.is.your.point.??
/r/seduction10/01/22 05:47 PM
1

I do have low self-esteem and approach anxiety, but all the work I've done to compensate for that hasn't exactly mattered.
/r/seduction10/01/22 04:00 PM
1

I'm not going to say looks mean everything, but they count for a lot more than 5% lol. If I was just an average looking white guy with my height, body and wardrobe...I'd do exponentially better. I mean OLD has demonstrated how shallow many women are these days. ​ I treat the hot ones like a normal, average one. Tease, flirt, joke with her, and they get surprised I don't kiss their ass like most guys do, and then they come chasing me. If that's all it took, every dude would have a cache of beauti…
/r/seduction10/01/22 03:57 PM
1

Are *you* trying, and then women tell they're not interested bc you're not dark enough?
/r/seduction10/01/22 03:29 PM
1

*IF* yeah sure...if she did. Now you're adding qualifiers. What if she didn't? Many don't. Or consider all the other races of women that aren't exposed to black people who totally eliminate us from their dating pool. Are you really going to pretend it's comparable to white guys who pretty much never have to deal with that? A white guy has a dating pool of white, latina, indian, asian, black, middle-eastern, jewish, etc...every race available...if you can't find a mate, it means you're literally …
/r/seduction10/01/22 03:18 PM
4

I run 5x a week, and I have a legitimate interest in fashion. I wear slp, Dior and Burberry and wear TF cologne. I have hair, grooming and skin regimes to the point of being metro AND I'm 6'3. Has made NO difference. I mean I've had guys compliment my clothes and tell me I look cool,, but to women I'm invisible. And plastic surgery always has a risk involved... That doesn't matter anymore. With all this first world feminism women don't have to worry about their mate protecting, supporting or pro…
/r/seduction10/01/22 03:07 PM
0

I'm 6'3, I run 5x a week, I dress better than any man that isn't a millionaire, I groom and have skin and hair regimes to the point of metrosexuality, I wear 300$ TF cologne...I've done everything I can to maximize my physical attributes. Makes no difference when women just want an average white guy.
/r/seduction10/01/22 02:59 PM
1

Seek help. You literally downplay your privilege, yet you can even fathom not having it. A woman isn't going to look at you and assume you're a criminal, uneducated or dangerous. You don't have to worry about literally every race except your own preferring another race of men(white always). Stop trolling and posting clickbait articles lol. When women want men with dark skin they mean Greek or Italian, not a literal different race, smh.
/r/seduction10/01/22 02:57 PM
3

Plastic surgery is expensive....can't do anything about the race bias though.
/r/seduction10/01/22 02:33 PM
2

but I've read that women prefer men with darker skin You have to be trolling. The standard of beauty is all Aryan features, and that's literally every culture. 98% of women on the planet either prefer white men, or exclusively seek them out. You don't have to worry about negative stereotypes, embedded biases or ignorance when going after women. Try being black and having most women either automatically not want to date you for reasons you can't even control or make 1,000 assumptions about you be…
/r/seduction10/01/22 02:21 PM
2

Nah, it's bc I'm ugly and not white.
/r/seduction10/01/22 01:32 PM
1

This better be a joke smh.
/r/seduction10/01/22 12:22 PM
3

Girls will come to you This is absolutely not always and in most cases not the case.
/r/seduction10/01/22 11:59 AM
1

That chit only works of you're really good-looking.
/r/seduction10/01/22 11:57 AM
1

I think we've all had that one friend we accidentally fell into bed with one or 17 times. Nope.
/r/seduction10/01/22 11:34 AM
1

What is with all the trolling the last couple days...
/r/seduction10/01/22 11:31 AM
1

I'd be way too embarrassed. I'm pretty anti social and I over-think things...both of which are antithetical to dancing or yoga. The amout of women there would make me self-conscious.
/r/seduction10/01/22 03:07 AM
1

It's no more simple than just saying a line that doesn't kill any advantage you have while also giving her everything. How can something that isn't efficient or that has a steep learning curve be good for beginnings? Something good for beginners would be something ambiguous that allows options in case she isn't preemptively interests or that allows you to validate her later...
/r/seduction10/01/22 02:42 AM
1

I wish I could join events like that. Even if I wanted to I couldn't, but I'm sure it's a great way to meet women. I feel like many women would judge and assume you're only there to pick up women and treat you weirdly.
/r/seduction10/01/22 02:19 AM
4

Another reason why this line is bad is because it forces the girl to make an immediate decision on the spot on rather she wants to accept your advances or not. She doesnt know you. You legit just came up to her, told her shes cute, and that you’re interested. She has to make a judgement call right then and there on if she’s interested in you or not. This in turn can lose you some sets that would have turned out well if she just had a bit more time to get to know you. That's my point. Not only ha…
/r/seduction10/01/22 01:46 AM
3

Sure, if you're a Chad.
/r/seduction10/01/22 01:01 AM
8

If it demonstrates validation too soon wouldn't that be less viable for beginners? They'd be more likely to botch the succeeding dialogue because they've already given away everything...
/r/seduction10/01/22 01:00 AM
2

Lols this is reddit. Expecting any better than that is foolish and setting yourself up for disappointment.
/r/seduction09/01/22 11:16 PM
1

Lol woke is the last thing I am, but it's obvious your worldview is uber narrow and you're grossly ignorant. You can't even fathom what it's like going anywhere that 98% of the women there don't see you as the preferred race or being rejected bc your not the "right race". If you think that doesn't affect your mindset or willingness to approach at all, you're beyond daft. If you don't have to even consider that, then ofc it's a privilege. Like being good-looking or born into money. It's common se…
/r/seduction09/01/22 11:15 PM
9

I wish and daydream about doing it, then don't.
/r/seduction09/01/22 10:47 PM
1

You're a bad troll. Just stop.
/r/seduction09/01/22 10:45 PM
-2

And you're not funny.
/r/seduction09/01/22 10:37 PM
0

I was literally asking, unironically. Calm your tits.
/r/seduction09/01/22 10:35 PM
10

Does just walking up to a girl and instantly telling her she's pretty really work? You hear all the time that giving validation that early, especially physical, is shooting yourself in the foot.
/r/seduction09/01/22 10:16 PM
6

What is with all the trolling going on today? Smh
/r/seduction09/01/22 09:27 PM
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Lol pretty decent trolling. 6.5/10. Might read again.
/r/seduction09/01/22 07:30 PM
1

No
/r/seduction09/01/22 05:53 PM
1

Lower your standards.
/r/seduction09/01/22 05:49 PM
0

No Leo has been chubby like that for years, and any other times he's had very little muscle, and been the most average body shape you can get. And he has STILL always been considered one of the hottest men alive.. Jack Nicholson was known to do the same for years and looks wise, he's no Leo. Leo in average shape is still better looking than most men in their peak. And and beyond that...his money and status means he wouldn't even need the looks. I really don't get your point for even mentioning h…
/r/seduction09/01/22 04:31 PM
1

Lol I wish I got approached by women everytime I went out. I'm 6'3, I run 5x a week so I'm in great shape, I dress better than any man who isn't a millionaire, I wear 300$ TF cologne and I groom and have hair and skin regimes to the point of metrosexuality, but I'm kinda ugly so that negates all of that and women show no interest in me. I got out every weekend pretty much and I only get approached by women once in a blue moon. I get loads of compliments on my attire from dudes though lol...but I…
/r/seduction09/01/22 04:36 AM
1

I haven’t pulled much though because on these nights I’m genuinely not looking to meet women either because I’m seeing a band or DJ I really like or I’m just planning to take drugs and enjoy the vibe or meet up with some old friends or something Literally the same. Yet you hear that when you're just out and not focusing on women they'll somehow come to or notice you....and that's never the case. But I guess you still need to embrace the opportunities when they pop up too Agreed.
/r/seduction09/01/22 03:52 AM
14

The times I actually have some luck with women are the times where I go out without an intention to pull - whenever I am determined to pull I come away disappointed Must be nice. Every time I go out its never either the intention to get women, and it still never happens lol.
/r/seduction09/01/22 03:13 AM
-1

Sure
/r/seduction09/01/22 02:28 AM
0

You should really Google Di Caprio on the beach in his last photos Pretty sure when DiCaprio is on prowl mode it's just like when he's in "film shape" and he's back in God status. Those beach photo are I'm sure when he already has the girl so it doesn't matter. And again, he is literally Leonardo DiCaprio. You have no arguement here dude. Wow what a rant, your game must be garbage, I'm 5'6 before i put my Cuba heel shoes on. and have no problem gaming women, and taller than me, that's the point …
/r/seduction09/01/22 02:06 AM
-1

be happy that you’re not an ugly girl, who can do a lot less to improve herself. What? Make up, push up bras, overly flattering clothing, just existing...Women can do a lot more to hide or alter their appearance, and ugly girls still have simps, or good-looking guys who settle for them. If you're an ugly man you're just screwed unless you're rich.
/r/seduction09/01/22 02:01 AM
3

If you're good-looking, rich or have high status you can get away with pretty much anything, if not, you can't. Fair is a place where they judge pigs...it doesn't exist.
/r/seduction09/01/22 01:30 AM
0

Leo Di Caprio- and he's well known for pumping and dumping and onto the next one Wait a fecking minute.. you mean Leonardo DiCaprio...widely considered the actor of his generation and one of the most attractive people of all time since he was a kid? Not popular? Bad looking and chubby? Whut mate?? If he was just a well known actor who was ugly and had mild success he could use that to get young models...he's literally DiCaprio...even when he's not in movie shape, hell, even if he wasn't an actor…
/r/seduction09/01/22 01:23 AM
1

I don't understand how guys can have women do all the work and come to them, and they still find a way to fail.
/r/seduction09/01/22 12:19 AM
3

Sounds like you're looking for validation, bro. If you're attractive and have pretty much everything you want but can't approach women, it's all internal and it's mental. If you're confident enough to be aware how gifted you are in every other regard, just siphon that confidence over to women.
/r/seduction08/01/22 11:27 PM
1

Leo DC? Who is that? In the vast majority of most cases a fat guy with a younger, hot woman it's bc he's rich, famous or just have really high status. He didn't just win her over with his sterling personality lol. You have to compensate in some regard. whole issue of online dating as to why women bulk their preferences towards looks is that they have nothing else to go off, which is why in the wild I can get the same woman I couldn't get on Tinder. Ummm that's the point of dating profiles. And l…
/r/seduction08/01/22 10:47 PM
1

Yep. And it's even worse now bc of simps, OLD and social media. Women recieve validation easier and in larger amounts than they ever have and it's made them that much more shallow and particular. Even the average is decent looking ones.. They can be as selective as they choose in as many categories as they choose and just sit back and comb over all the candidates who have to jump through hoops just to be considered.
/r/seduction08/01/22 10:31 PM
1

Both are BLATANT lies. Looks and status are two of the biggest factors women consider for a mate. With the only other one as important being wealth. I guess all those women on dating apps filtering for the best looking guy with the highest status doesn't count lol.
/r/seduction08/01/22 10:27 PM
1

😀😃😄😁😆😅🤣😂 Nice trolling, mate.
/r/seduction08/01/22 07:45 PM
1

Meet other women...Have new opportunities and experiences with them.. They're not endangered. I know Covid makes it more difficult, but it still very much happens.
/r/seduction08/01/22 06:34 PM
4

You're only missing out if you're attractive enough to succeed there.
/r/seduction08/01/22 06:33 PM
1

Dude it's been 4 years, ffs. Stop worrying about her literally fucking another dude...
/r/seduction08/01/22 06:31 PM
0

I go crazy on what the rejection will be to the point I can't even approach lol
/r/seduction08/01/22 05:50 PM
1

I think it depends on how the attire makes you feel Agreed
/r/seduction08/01/22 05:34 PM
1

I've worn 300$ TF cologne and artisan, niche cologne that costs more and I've never once had a woman notice it. Hell, I've had guys notice it and not women.
/r/seduction08/01/22 05:33 PM
1

From what I hear most of those singles group will usually boil down to towns of dudes and maybe one or two attractive women, so you can imagine what the dynamic will be like at the event.
/r/seduction08/01/22 05:31 PM
2

This sounds like cope. I kind of see where you're coming from, but you're going to the extreme.
/r/seduction08/01/22 05:30 PM
1

This is a great idea and idk why I never considered this. I do think it's logistical and makes a lot of sense but idk...something about it feels awkward and as weird as this seems I feel like most people willing to do that would just be really...idk uncool? And since I don't like in a huge metro like NYC or LA idk how many actual responses I'd get, but it's certainly something to consider.
/r/seduction08/01/22 05:29 PM
1

Offer to take someone clothes shopping with you next time you hear a guy lamenting about his poor sense of style lol. I'm sure there are many who would gladly take you up on the offer. Never thought about this, this is a good idea. Whenever I've hit up a meetup there's almost always at least 1-3 other people that say it's also their first to third time there. If they didnt want to hang out with you, they would have made it a private event instead of a public one. Do you have any interest in boar…
/r/seduction08/01/22 05:26 PM
1

You know what, you're probably right.
/r/seduction08/01/22 12:24 AM
1

I consider myself to be fairly decent looking and I dont get an incredible amount of compliments about my appearance from people. You getting a bunch of those comments is not average and I mean that in a good way! 50% of men are overweight/obese in america so if you're here and running a lot every way, you're already above average without even factoring your sense of style and everything else. That's the thing, I don't get people saying I'm good-looking, I get dudes complimenting my attire. Agai…
/r/seduction07/01/22 11:47 PM
2

Getting physically fit (building an aesthetic male physique with vieny fore arms) Experimenting with my fashion (try new looks, experiment with accessories etc.) Experimenting more with scents and fragrances. (This is an expensive one but I'll try and arrange something for sure) Man, I've done/have all that and more and still can't talk to women lol. ​ My goal is just to literally talk to women...like just finally make an approach and at least mitigate the approach anxiety.
/r/seduction07/01/22 08:23 PM
2

My social game sucks tbh. I have things I'd like to do like hiking, going to museums, art shows, niche concerts, poetry readings and other things but my friend group really only goes to bars and my social anxiety prevents me from doing things alone. I've never considered nether. I'm not really a martial arts kind of guy and...even if I wanted to take up dancing, I never could. Way too anxious to do that. I have no issue talking to guys. I've never really had issue talking guys just in general, b…
/r/seduction07/01/22 06:52 PM
1

Both
/r/seduction07/01/22 06:22 PM
1

Ummm...duh? More news at 11.
/r/seduction07/01/22 02:44 PM
1

yeah, if you're a simp
/r/seduction07/01/22 02:06 PM
1

I’m a very attractive confident woman Sure, mate. Humble too. I’m open to give any of you a hot woman’s POV on how to seduce her…just ask. loool worst larper ever.
/r/seduction07/01/22 02:05 PM
6

I'm 6'3, I run 5x a week, I have a legitimate interest in fashion so I dress extremely well, I groom and I have skin and hair regimes to the brink of metrosexuality, but I'm pretty ugly and have approach anxiety so I'm basically invisible to women. Yet if I was just not ugly and white, all that effort would matter. It's just farcical to say "don't worry about your looks". With OLD, social media, simps and orbiters, etc women are more selective and shallow than they've ever been as they have esse…
/r/seduction07/01/22 02:00 PM
1

Well I can't speak for other people but regarding myself as it pertains to women...yes...how could I be successful if I've had no recent success? It's not logical.
/r/seduction07/01/22 01:51 PM
1

improve your looks as best you can * Annnnd I've done that. Aside from plastic surgery there's nothing more I can do. I'm not "hating" on the forum. It's just most of thr advice is applicable to all parties.
/r/seduction07/01/22 12:15 PM
1

So you're just an advertisement. Got it.
/r/seduction07/01/22 12:09 PM
5

Yep some fecking scam pickup artist totally counts smh
/r/seduction07/01/22 12:06 PM
1

They're paid to be talented, and they're confident...bc they're talented. And it's much easier to be confident when you're successful.
/r/seduction07/01/22 11:49 AM
1

Whatever you say, doctor. Lol
/r/seduction07/01/22 11:39 AM
4

Anecdotal "I know a hunchback dwarf, one eyed leper with cancer who only gets 11/10 French supermodel and German yogaj instructor scientists." Funny someone always knows that guy but never is that guy.
/r/seduction07/01/22 11:26 AM
2

Lol OK dude
/r/seduction07/01/22 11:19 AM
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Whatever, mate.
/r/seduction07/01/22 04:40 AM
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No, they're going to think 'that's fecking awkward"...
/r/seduction07/01/22 04:37 AM
2

That's...weird. You can't approach someone and ask "can I meet you"...is this like a language translation error or something?? That's pretty awkward....
/r/seduction07/01/22 04:33 AM
1

...what?
/r/seduction07/01/22 04:16 AM
1

I'm not saying you're wrong, dude. I totally understand that conceptually it's a numbers game, and if you're not a total social invalid or a overbearing douchebag at some point you would eventually have to find success... I'm saying, if you're someone with approach anxiety, and low self-esteem you have to screen women preemptively to source the ones that appear interested. If none of them are giving signs, or hints, or signals, (as subtle as they may be), how could you have the courage to approa…
/r/seduction07/01/22 03:57 AM
1

I wish this were the case...
/r/seduction07/01/22 01:41 AM
1

Positive reaffirmation you choose to give yourself despite things not going well. Lol that's not how it works. You cannot keep being positive if you're not being successful. At some point that guise breaks and you realize you have nothing to show for your effort. Optimism has a breaking point...Like you can't just consider other possibilities when you have no evidence of them.. The low self-esteem isn't a choice, it's proof of failure. Thats what naturally happens when you have a distinct lack o…
/r/seduction07/01/22 01:37 AM
1

Yeah.. you just don't get it.
/r/seduction07/01/22 01:34 AM
1

Lol I can't simply "let it go". If I could stop desiring and being attracted to women, I would, but I cannot. Bridging that gap is much harder for some of us than others, and you can't extend an olive branch if no one wants to accept it. The goal is a solution, but creating one is so much more difficult than people let on...at least for some of us. However if you continue like this the most you'll get if you're lucky is someone who wants to be with you cos of sympathy and codependency and not mu…
/r/seduction07/01/22 12:42 AM
1

But that's not sustainable. You can't keep failing and somehow remain confident. Without that success or positive reaffirmation, it will wain. And if you're someone who already had low self-esteem going in well...it just confirms what you already thought. The latter is much more logistical, but it's not guaranteed, and in many cases not likely. What if others don't reinforce you first? This is what I mean...Confidence is a byproduct of success...if you aren't successful there's literally no aven…
/r/seduction07/01/22 12:39 AM
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Lolno. What is OP 15?
/r/seduction07/01/22 12:36 AM
1

I'm open to suggestions, but I've tried a lot and very little has mattered or changed. Like there's a reason so many people can be successful in so many areas of life except women. It's not just on you in that regard. You can't just make people like you. If you're ugly...you're ugly. And it's not like I haven't tried, painstakingly so to maximize all other aspects of myself. I've done a lot of work...like at some point I'm not the who has made it that way. Those are the cards dealt. Those ugly g…
/r/seduction07/01/22 12:06 AM
1

In most case confidence is accrued via positive reinforcement. For example, you're not just going to be confident with women if you've recieved no good will from them. I can appreciate a ton of things about myself but that doesn't somehow mean women will or that it will lead to success with them. If you could just be confident, then everyone would be. I totally want the best for myself, but again you can't just magically align that with women. It's not a binary thing you just get better at. Ther…
/r/seduction06/01/22 11:59 PM
1

It's a weird, confining tightrope I have no idea how you're supposed to operate. If you're too aggressive you're a "thug" if you're not, now you don't live up to her "expectations" and it's "jarring". Literally anything you do can be transcribed as "too much" but if you don't do any of that, now you're arrogant and distant or just weird...how are you supposed to navigate any of that and be natural?
/r/seduction06/01/22 11:55 PM
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I'm not saying I know more than anyone...lol. But it's counter-intuitive af to advise an ugly dude with limited success to randomly approach women. It's stupid. That is literally setting someone up for failure. That's chit you do after you've had recent success. You can't give an ugly guy the same advice you'd give someone else. That should be common sense. Good for your that you're a successful getting laid teacher or wtf but it's obvious you spectrum of expertise is pretty narrow.
/r/seduction06/01/22 11:49 PM
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The advice is to go out and approach women and stop looking for IOIs. That's bad advice. You have to be among a select sect to have that be anywhere near efficient, or else you're literally wasting your time. I'm not going to leave this sub bc one person gives bad advice.
/r/seduction06/01/22 11:37 PM
1

I was watching cable the other day for the first time in ages and I counted the commercials that had interracial(bm/ww) couples and it was literally ALL of them except two. There's this weird liberal agenda to push that, but...that's not real life. And when it's not that way for you like on TV people gaslight you and blame you. And white guys in my life will say that it is just my lack of confidence which is not a lie. But my confidence has dropped significantly when i started noticing this phen…
/r/seduction06/01/22 11:34 PM
0

I'm seeking advice.
/r/seduction06/01/22 11:24 PM
1

How are you gonna tell me what's a lie or not? I approach more than 20 women a week. You? 0. It's common logistics. You're likely white and not ugly so you can approach anyone. If women are giving me so signs of interest approaching wantonly isn't pragmatic and is just random. You have no way of knowing, which is why you have to approach them. Then you're just going in blind... So nobody said there is something wrong with your face yet you still think your face is the source of all your problems…
/r/seduction06/01/22 11:05 PM
10

A. She already knows, that that's why you approached her. B. Now she already has your validation. C. That's what every guy ever says.
/r/seduction06/01/22 10:48 PM
1

This. People watch too much porn and too many liberal Netflix series and think black guys are like in high demand or something. That's totally NOT the case unless you're literally Michael B. or something, while a white guy just had to exist girls give this hige pass for no reason. It's pretty frustrating....It wouldn't be so bad if I wasn't tall, and in shape, and well groomed and hygienic, and into dressing well or if those guys were just 10/10 Chads or something...but seeing guys who put forth…
/r/seduction06/01/22 10:47 PM
1

All of that is subjective. Some women like short guys, some like tall guys, some like buff guys, some like lean guys, some some aggressive looking men, some like passive looking...but literally ALL women like good-looking men period lol. It's universally desired.
/r/seduction06/01/22 10:42 PM
1

It's literally an excuse not to take action. Because it's ugly. That's the point. And btw, most women never get IOIs before you approach. You just have to dive in. This is a lie. How are you supposed to know which women are interested? How are they going to display interest if they don't approach? That's how both you screen then and they screen you. Without that you're just approaching strangers.. Here is your homework if you are ready to stop being a pussy: ask somebody you trust, a friend, a g…
/r/seduction06/01/22 10:40 PM
1

HAS ANY OTHER PERSON OTHER THAN YOURSELF SAID THIS TO YOU? A FRIEND, A GIRL, YOUR MOTHER, ANYBODY?? Dude, if you're ugly you just know. No one has to literally tell you. Who actually, seriously just tells someone they're ugly...like legitimately and not as a joke? This is just wrong. That's not how the real world works. Are you approaching women at all? No, I have severe approach anxiety. But I looks for IOIs, and hints or whatever and they pretty much are never there. If you don't see any inter…
/r/seduction06/01/22 09:15 PM
1

In terms of physical appearance...what matters more than a face to women. You can't even say its a body, because some women like buff guys and some women like lean guys...but every woman likes a good-looking guy lol. Face is easily the most important physical aspect to a woman.
/r/seduction06/01/22 09:10 PM
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Do you have any reason to think your face sucks other than your own insecurities? ...just bc its an insecurity doesn't mean it's not true, though...I'm not saying I'm grotesquely, hide the children ugly...but I objectively know what a good-looking or average person looks like, and it's better that me. And no, you can't go out and just expect women to approach you and "give you attention." That's not how it works. Women are generally much more shy and insecure than men, so they rarely approach yo…
/r/seduction06/01/22 09:08 PM
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lol what woman is actually going to tell you you're ugly? She'd have to be the biggest bitches ever. No, no woman has literally told me that, but I know it. If you're tall, in shape, dress well, and you groom, hygienic, etc and you've done everything you can to maximize your physical potential and you go out and you habitually get very little to no attention from women, clearly my face is the blatant issue. It doesn't need to be said literally, I can tell.
/r/seduction06/01/22 08:27 PM
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A good looking face is like a tiny, tiny part of womens' attraction. Unless you have some kind of deformity, you can fix your face by working out and eating better. A tiny, tiny part? To women your face is literally the most important physical aspect. You can be short, fat, a slob or whatever, as long as you have a good-looking face, you're pretty golden. Height, fashion sense, grooming, fitness...they're tiny parts of a woman's attraction that individually don't mean chit. Some of us work out a…
/r/seduction06/01/22 08:24 PM
5

Only if you're ugly. If you're decent looking you can just go bald.
/r/seduction06/01/22 08:07 PM
3

😆😅🤣😂 Lolno. If it did I'd be swimming in vagina. Let's take a survey of all the single tall guys vs single good-looking guys.
/r/seduction06/01/22 08:04 PM
0

Lol in every country pretty much all women prefer white guys I believe. There's a few women here and there where that's not the case, sure, but for many reasons, especially culturally and physically, if you're white, you have a massive advantage with women.
/r/seduction06/01/22 07:43 PM
3

It's not a lie, it's common sense. If you don't have an actual reason for confidence it's artificial, and people can easily sus it out.
/r/seduction06/01/22 07:41 PM
1

I've tried most everything for my acne scaring...not natural remedies, but dozens of products. And I'm a man, I'm not wearing a wig lol. And media brainwashing or not, most women are going to find a more sculpted, narrow nose more attractive. And I honestly would just consider facial symmetry a generic, net positive. Like...it's only a good thing. I don't have it and I'm ugly so that kind of demonstrates that lol.
/r/seduction06/01/22 07:33 PM
1

Oh I've been considering it for some time, but the procedures aren't exactly cheap.
/r/seduction06/01/22 07:16 PM
-1

Whatever you say, mate.
/r/seduction06/01/22 06:32 PM
1

Well, that must be nice. And oh, I know what my issue is...I'm pretty ugly so I have low self-esteem and approach anxiety and despite all the work I've put into myself, nothing changed. Thanks for the well wishes, though.
/r/seduction06/01/22 06:23 PM
2

I'm aware...and you're right...it's just much easier said than done with you have low self-esteem and approach anxiety.
/r/seduction06/01/22 06:19 PM
9

This is literally the biggest hurdle I have. It's like what if she doesn't have an eye-catching garment of clothing or something that easily strikes a conversation. It's pointless to compliment anything physical or say "you seem interesting" or "I wanted to talk to you" or the like since, duh she knows that bc you approached her. But it's like literally, how do you begin the interaction?
/r/seduction06/01/22 05:41 PM
8

He got rich bc he was exceptionally talented, not just because he was "confident". I swear this sub wants to pretend confidence is some magic cure-all lol.
/r/seduction06/01/22 04:49 PM
6

Also being white increases your chances a lot. This part is actually very correct despite how much no one ever wants to mention it.
/r/seduction06/01/22 04:21 PM
1

Lol I literally shaved my beard on new years. I'd been growing it since the end of summer and was tired of looking at it...it made no real difference...neither has my clothes, my fitness, my grooming regimes, etc...all the things I have to work on, I have, painstakingly. If this is less than most, christ alive I'd hate to see most lol. If I could trade my height for just a decent face, I would.
/r/seduction06/01/22 04:08 PM
2

out of about 10 attempts I have gotten 5 numbers, made out with 4, went home with 3 and had sex with 2 and currently have a sexual relationship with the last girl I took home Jesus, if everyone had odds like these this sub wouldn't exist. Clearly you're reasonably attractive and can close, so if you're looking for an actual relation migrate the approaching to a venue of place where most women are looking for that.
/r/seduction06/01/22 03:59 PM
1

I already have hair, skin, and grooming regimes to the point of metrosexuality. It's not like I neglect it, I obsess over it lol. And literally the only way I could dress better is if I was a millionaire. I run 5x a week and I'm in about the best shape I could be in. I've done everything I can to maximize my physical potential sans plastic surgery. Is at least some of it my fault for not approaching or initiating? Sure, but it's hard to do when even after the work you've done on yourself there's…
/r/seduction06/01/22 03:53 PM
4

I have...it just makes me look ten years older lol. Idk, it honestly didn't seem to make a difference one way or the other.
/r/seduction06/01/22 03:49 PM
15

I'm 6'3 175lbs, I can't really lose any more weight lol. My face just doesn't fit the rest of me. From the neck down I have a lean, model-esque silhouette, but my face ruins its. It's too rough and broad. I have slight scarring from old acne, my nose is too big, my face isn't symmetrical enough, my hairline is meh...It's just bad. I'm not grotesquely ugly, but just ugly enough to ruin and advantage I'd have from my height and body.
/r/seduction06/01/22 03:34 PM
1

Fake confidence isn't a thing. If it was everyone on the planet would be confident. Confident comes from being good-looking, rich, successful, having high status, etc. Like, you need a tangible reason to be confident. You have to be exceptional in some regard to just "pull anything you want".
/r/seduction06/01/22 03:26 PM
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It's unlikely unless you're really good-looking or rich. Height isn't that important, but everyone on the internet wants to pretend getting a 10 is super easy lol.
/r/seduction06/01/22 03:16 PM
11

WTF is the point of mentioning height and confidence then if the answer is "just be rich"? lol that pretty much overrides anything.
/r/seduction06/01/22 03:11 PM
5

They may literally see me, but its not it's like I'm not even there. Standing out bc of height when you're ugly isn't exactly a good thing. It just means there's more of you to avoid lol.
/r/seduction06/01/22 03:10 PM
15

Why do people use celebrities as examples. Kevin Hart is rich, he doesn't count.
/r/seduction06/01/22 03:07 PM
5

So start small. Just start with girls you find cute or pretty and work your way up to the hot ones later. Considering your credentials those women will probably be more into you than you are them, then you can use that confidence to go after the ones that really stick out to you.
/r/seduction06/01/22 02:53 PM
8

wtf dude if you're a PhD student, a male model and a musician there's literally no way you can be afraid to approach anyone....
/r/seduction06/01/22 02:15 PM
36

And a good-looking face. That also very handily trumps height. Height isn't important at all tbh. I would easily trade like 4 inches of my height for a better looking face.
/r/seduction06/01/22 02:04 PM
1

Worst humble brag ever
/r/seduction06/01/22 12:20 PM
1

I'm not implying that the world is rigged against me specifically smart guy, but rigged against people like me. It's far too easy for some people and too difficult for someone like me to the point it's not even worth attempting because there's such a disparity. Yet somehow it's all my fault and "in my head" lol. It's like being blackballed and then being gaslight about it...
/r/seduction06/01/22 11:37 AM
1

Nah, I just live in the world, and that's how the world is.
/r/seduction06/01/22 11:33 AM
1

I've always wondered this too. You never start with a physical compliment but what if none of her attire stands out or she isn't wearing a band tee or whatever? Also it's pointless to say "I noticed you" or "I wanted to talk to you"...duh, you approached her, she already knows that. People always tell you to approach or whatever, but rarely to people note how you should literally open the interaction.
/r/seduction06/01/22 04:28 AM
1

...what??
/r/seduction06/01/22 02:26 AM
1

Lol that explains a lot. He really thinks he has it all figured out...
/r/seduction06/01/22 02:24 AM
1

Perhaps you're right. Maybe I'm jealous or I come across as bitter, but all I can say is if anyone was in my shoes, they'd feel the same.
/r/seduction06/01/22 02:09 AM
1

Obligatory "I have a one eyed hunchback leper friend with a speech impediment who only dates 11/10 French ballet dancers and German scientist yoga instructors." Well congrats to him. I'm sure he's well off or he had high status in his social status. But I guess things are just drastically different wherever he is bc when I go out I see the most attractive women getting hit on constantly and hardly ever wanting for attention. And with all that validation....they're going to be shallow. I'm 6'3, I…
/r/seduction06/01/22 01:31 AM
1

Dude, I've done everything I can to maximize my physical potential sans get plastic surgery. I'm 6'3, I dress better than any straight guy should, I'm in great shape, I groom and have hair and skin regimes to the point of metrosexuality, I have a decent job, interests, I go out...but none of that matters bc my face isn't pleasant to look at. It must be nice to live in some world where women care more about being outgoing than your looks, but it sure isn't the one I live in.
/r/seduction06/01/22 01:22 AM
1

I've done literally everything in my power to physically improve myself sans plastic surgery. When I say I dress well I don't mean Zara and Express, I literally wear Dior and Saint Laurent. When I say I'm in great shape, I mean I run 5 times a week and I'm athletically lean with broad shoulders. I groom and look after my hair and skin to the point of metrosexuality, AND I'm tall. There is no other way I can improve.
/r/seduction06/01/22 01:16 AM
1

No I'm not an incel. I've been laid before...I'm not grotesquely ugly, or friendless and never leave the house. I just see things how they really are and I've been dealt a chit hand in regards to what I want. Being genuinely nice is literally the way to a girls heart. Lol OK. It's nice that that's your world, but it's certainly not mine. A good-looking face or/and a fat wallet usually take precedent in most women's heart. I didn't brag it was just amusing, not that I have what you want but that …
/r/seduction06/01/22 01:11 AM
1

Dude, you called me an incel, further insulted and assumed random chit, patronized me, called me a liar, and bragged at me...You've been nothing but a douche to me from the jump for NO reason...
/r/seduction06/01/22 12:44 AM
1

Such a nice guy, smh. I wouldn't want any bird who gave you a second look, anyway. Thanks for wasting my time.
/r/seduction06/01/22 12:40 AM
1

Again, let me go tell a vagrant about my full refrigerator and see how amusing he finds it. Some slob telling you he has what you don't despite all the actual effort and work you put in is gravely unamusing...there is no other way to react to that. You were a douche for mentioning it tbh... Lol you didn't prove anything. Literal rapists, addicts, wife beaters, murderers, etc have women...I'm single bc I'm ugly not bc I'm not nice enough.
/r/seduction06/01/22 12:34 AM
1

Yes, you're random, shameless, pointless bragging at me was a big help. Thanks a lot for being so helpful!
/r/seduction06/01/22 12:26 AM
1

Dude you're some rando on the internet, I couldn't give a feck less if you beleive me...I have literally no reason to lie lol. Being too nice is totally a thing. The only thing worse than being nice is ugly, and I'm both. Nice is boring and there's a reason guys like me finish last. Good for you and your friends...that's fantastic. But you have an issue with projecting. Your experiences aren't universal. The way you describe yourself is far better than I will ever be but I have a cute, alternati…
/r/seduction06/01/22 12:18 AM
1

The issue is if you're an introvert or have anxiety...the dynamic of going to meet a group of people who already know each other while you're a stranger is pretty...daunting. It would be so easy to get lost in everything and shutdown and that would be perceived as you just being distant or disinterested. It seems like those are just for people who are social and extroverted and just want to meet new people, not introverts.
/r/seduction06/01/22 12:07 AM
1

I'm not a simp or a chad, I am fat, I am unattractive by incel standards, I have fucked up teeth, and I can get laid... Good for you. The problem is you're fucked up ideas and fucked up personality. Grow the fuck up and just be a decent human being. The real life is you're angry because people don't like you because your personality is dogshit. Not really. If I was some loud, obnoxious, rude douchebag I'd do much better with women. If anything my issue is I'm too nice. You main goal is sex and t…
/r/seduction05/01/22 11:55 PM
0

Girls are easier now than ever and the problem with you is not them. Lol. Yep, women recieve exponentially more validation now than they've ever had with OLD, social media, simps, Chads slumming it, orbiters at school, work, social circle, etc. And they're more selective than they've ever been with OLD, and because of that you're no longer allowed to approach them unless you look like Armie Hammer or you're deemed "wEiRd" or "cReEpY" but yeah so much easier. Good for you if that's your world or …
/r/seduction05/01/22 11:31 PM
0

Imagine using "iNcEl" in literal 2022 unironically. What a simp
/r/seduction05/01/22 11:21 PM
1

So much easier said than done. Too much of how you're perceived is based on how you look. You're reserved and you're deemed and "anti-social and difficult" you're trying to be included and you're too "aggressive. Smh.
/r/seduction05/01/22 07:10 PM
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Maybe back in the 50's. If you take just an remotely attractive woman these days, she'll be so gassed up from simps, orbiters in her social circle and at work, school, etc, OLD, social media, etc that she'll have the ego equivalent to a beautiful women. To the point the amount of validation a beautiful woman receives, and the subsequent amount of which it will bolster and bloat her ego and standards, it's totally pointless to even attempt anything with them if you're not at least good-looking yo…
/r/seduction05/01/22 05:53 PM
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Don't be intimidated by beautiful women. They eat, crap, and sleep just like you and me. They have feelings, desires, and problems just like normal people do. So take them off that pedestal and put them on your level. lol
/r/seduction05/01/22 05:37 PM
2

Maybe go after women in public who are fellow patrons...complimenting a girl while she's working is a no-win.
/r/seduction05/01/22 05:37 PM
1

Just for the record the front page of this sub reads "Seduction, Self-Improvement and Pick-up" so no, it's not just for discussing successful strategies. Men attempting to improve actually seek advice here. They just get regurgitated bro speak and false platitudes like this and realize how pointless it all is.
/r/seduction05/01/22 04:54 PM
-1

I'm 6'3, and I can safely say women don't gaf about height. I see tall women with shorter guys all the time. Honestly dudes care more than women do.
/r/seduction05/01/22 04:39 PM
0

If you're spending your time crying about not being wanted to strangers on the internet, then you definitely haven't done that. Crying=/=being honest. If you've worked on yourself and it hasn't changed anything, its not your fault. Again, things are rigged and mentioning that isn't "crying". Then you wouldn't be having this problem. lol you don't understand. It's not a binary thing. Some people can do all the work in the world and get nothing, while others can do nothing and get everything. This…
/r/seduction05/01/22 03:59 PM
1

Still doesn't mean you deserve it if you're not making yourself into someone that people want those things with. Annnnd how do you know if someone has/hasn't already done that? What if you have? Oh right, I forget women aren't shallow and it's always your fault...lol Not everyone else can get it. You're not getting it either. Lots of other incels and losers out there show that it's not as simple as just existing. It's still an exclusive club that you need to work towards to get into. Except it's…
/r/seduction05/01/22 03:24 PM
1

Really dude? You're going to compare wanting woman and literally being a professional football player? You'd have an actual argument when it's scientifically proven that people have an embedded need, desire and craving to be great at football...kind of how people are social creatures that require love, sex and companionship. Like you know, it's a fundamental necessity to the human condition. Until it's proven that making it in the NFL is equally a binding to human needs, it's a patronizing af co…
/r/seduction05/01/22 03:09 PM
-1

You don't understand how difficult trying to exert that effort is for some people.
/r/seduction05/01/22 02:51 PM
2

I can relate wayyy too much. The thing is, it never just "magically" not unless you're just really good-looking. It's like you need confidence to act, but you only get confidence from positive reinforcement. All that stuff about "faking it til you make it" is BS. The entire game is just rigged.
/r/seduction05/01/22 02:38 PM
0

Yep, just be a douchebag that always helps to motivate people, amiriteguiz? smh
/r/seduction05/01/22 02:34 PM
0

Easier said than done...
/r/seduction05/01/22 02:20 PM
1

I've tried dating apps, I'm too ugly to be successful there. And if I'm too ugly to do that literally approaching strangers on FB would be even worse for me in terms of success lol.
/r/seduction05/01/22 02:02 PM
2

It's funny, I have a legitimate interest in fashion so I just tend to dress very well all the time, and I'll say...it does feck all in regards to women. I actually am just ugly though so lol
/r/seduction05/01/22 02:01 PM
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None the less, credit for doing it at all, dude. If you can do that it means you can totally strike up actual conversation and have a chance for it to go somewhere
/r/seduction05/01/22 12:26 PM
1

I think going to bars on weekly basis qualifes as making myself avaliable. And good for you dude. Congratulations. Awesome...You're either clearly better looking than you think or you're a very social person, because many if us who's attempted to maximize their physical potential to its fullest extent absolutely have issues meeting women
/r/seduction05/01/22 12:24 PM
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It's good there you did it and all...but asking for a number before you even had a conversation with a woman is just pointless.
/r/seduction05/01/22 12:18 PM
1

Even if you're just ugly or kinda ugly you're screwed
/r/seduction05/01/22 12:17 PM
1

Let's see, I'm 6'3, I'm in shape, I have hair and skin regimes, I groom, I dress better than any straight man should and I go out every weekend. Literally the one thing I don't have is the face, which is the only thing that matters...
/r/seduction05/01/22 12:16 PM
1

Well like I said, it couldn't mattered that much one way or the other bc they haven't noticed me any more w/o them. Women are pretty shallow. As long as you have the face, that's all that matters.
/r/seduction05/01/22 12:08 PM
1

Tbh those pictures are old...my nails are shorter and no longer painted and it's much feck all of difference. Females are looking at your face not your nails. That's what makes the difference.
/r/seduction05/01/22 12:05 PM
1

Right, then you go and it's full of nothing but dudes and like two women. Somehow you're supposed to go any not look to meet women...but somehow it just happens....
/r/seduction05/01/22 12:01 PM
0

Lol yep it's totally that. A totally reasonable assessment smh
/r/seduction05/01/22 11:57 AM
0

But she's still going to be approached. At the bar, at work, at the park, at the coffee shop, etc. There will still always be guys who approach and many of them will just by sheer odds, be high tier, and those will be the ones she waits for. Approaching doesn't suddenly make you attractive. She's still going to just hold out for that Chad.
/r/seduction05/01/22 11:56 AM
0

Yeah, because it's not like she's going to have Chads and good looking guys in her cache if she's at least moderately attractive....OH WATE!
/r/seduction05/01/22 11:53 AM
1

Smh
/r/seduction05/01/22 11:52 AM
0

Lies. I'm in shape, tall, and I dress well and it's made NO difference with women. It doesn't even put me in the the average echelon lol
/r/seduction05/01/22 11:52 AM
2

Smh
/r/seduction05/01/22 06:27 AM
1

Lol you just have some weird Ramsay obsession and you're attempting to make it applicable to something it clearly isn't. It seems in this case "free advice" is the case with most things free....useless.
/r/seduction05/01/22 04:21 AM
1

My mistake you're right, the reference was being a nice guy. That said "just be Gordon Ramsay" isn't relatable or plausible to the vast majority of people, especially when you're already an adult. When advice is that broad, there's no way it can help. If you have issues with being too nice "work on yourself" is a real answer....it's just a blanket platitude.
/r/seduction05/01/22 03:56 AM
1

That sounds like an over-engineered...nothing as any night there could be random women "hitting the town", but whatever...
/r/seduction05/01/22 03:37 AM
1

Whatever you say mate lol
/r/seduction05/01/22 03:18 AM
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Lol so you just go to a literal nurses convention and it's all fine. I'm sure it won't be totally obvious if you dont have a background and health care and are just there to feck. Do people really think of "advice" before they give it?
/r/seduction05/01/22 03:14 AM
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But all the women in your "zone" are gassed up from simps and orbiters bolstering her ego...
/r/seduction05/01/22 03:12 AM
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This "advice" is pointless because average women have their egos boosted by a massive surplus of validation from OLD, SM, orbiters from work, school, etc, their social circle, randos on the street and on and on. If you're average your looksmatch is going to have the selection pool of so many options, you have to be well above average to even have a chance. Being in shape and dressing well isn't enough. You pretty much have to be a Chad or well off just to appeal to an average woman. You can be t…
/r/seduction05/01/22 03:10 AM
1

Dude you're literally saying become Gordon Ramsay. It's a cool story, but it's not going to help someone with approach anxiety. You don't just become of world famous celebrity just like that, and the real issue is a lot more specific.
/r/seduction05/01/22 03:03 AM
1

Join meetups and clubs for hobbies that you have. If you’re in a major city there may be “adventure clubs” that tailor to singles looking to do fun stuff. Adult social sports leagues are also a great way of getting out there. Go out like you’re trying to make friends and see if you connect with anyone Do people even really do this? Rather do women? You always hear about stuff like this being sausage fests and having either very little women, or there's contingencies set in place to prevent singl…
/r/seduction05/01/22 01:49 AM
1

Except there was no advice, except "be really attractive and act like a child" which is horrible advice. Hopefully no one is dumb enough to follow this example because at best they'd be laughed at. Good luck with lying to your boyfriend and validation fishing!
/r/seduction04/01/22 08:53 PM
1

You had zero reason to string him along and use him for validation, but you did that anyway lol.
/r/seduction04/01/22 08:51 PM
1

...if you've already made your mind up WTF is the point of this topic? lol
/r/seduction04/01/22 07:25 PM
1

There's no way you two didn't exchange phone numbers....a very nice tidbit to omit lol. The fact that you didn't immediately let him know you were taken, AND proceeded to carry on the way you did, says everything. Hehe could tell there was interest there. I still have no idea why this was posted on this sub, though. Unless you look like Harry Styles doing this carny chit to women will get you laughed at, at best. This helps no one...it's just transparent gloating lol.
/r/seduction04/01/22 07:17 PM
5

Worst humble-brag ever.
/r/seduction04/01/22 07:05 PM
1

What are you, her dad?
/r/seduction04/01/22 07:03 PM
3

If you're ugly it's an even smaller percent of women...
/r/seduction04/01/22 06:48 PM
2

Some want to be engaged...and by the right person. Otherwise it's "weird" or "creepy"...
/r/seduction04/01/22 06:08 PM
1

Yeah dude watching and or reading some Chads talk about how Chad-y they are is going to help me in anyway. I can't try to emulate or replicate what people that different, who have no frame of reference to such a foreign, situation like mine can do. The solution is either being born better looking on in a different era where women don't have an overbearingly surplus of validation from dregs of men to the point you can't compete unless you're a Chad. Thanks for trying, I guess....
/r/seduction04/01/22 06:01 PM
1

My fault, you just string people along for extended amounts of time for no gain on their end. As that dude learned after the fact lol
/r/seduction04/01/22 05:56 PM
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implants
/r/seduction04/01/22 05:45 PM
3

The woman literally doesn't know you from Adam...why are you expecting her to realistically give you her #? Smh
/r/seduction04/01/22 05:45 PM
1

still no denying lol smh
/r/seduction04/01/22 05:41 PM
2

This trolling is wayyy too transparent smh
/r/seduction04/01/22 05:25 PM
1

lol I don't understand why you lot have to try and project. Like just be happy that whatever you do works for you and stop thinking it'll just align for other people. That's not how it works. If it did, every man ever would just be getting laid. Dude, how is reading or watching videos from either rich, charismatic or good-looking guys going to help me? I can't just do what they do and I wouldn't garner the same reaction, anyway. I gain nothing from proving what I already know right, except a lot…
/r/seduction04/01/22 05:22 PM
1

lol you're the one either lying on reddit or lying to your BF.
/r/seduction04/01/22 04:57 PM
1

I didn't assume your life was miserable, just that you use men for validation, then lie and brag about it. That's pretty fecked up. If a guy posted this exact same story he'd be getting flamed.
/r/seduction04/01/22 04:57 PM
1

I'm not saying it's impossible...but unless you have super low standards or you have a huge social circle consisting of women who will assist you, you're pretty fecked. You can't just meet women as strangers...if there's no bridge between you two it's just fruitless and too big of a hurdle to jump.
/r/seduction04/01/22 04:55 PM
1

...so how the hell does that prove looks don't matter? Ofc they do...
/r/seduction04/01/22 04:53 PM
1

Except those are only positives if you already know the woman. If not, and you're a stranger, being tall and black just makes you scary. You're Asian, so you wouldn't understand the concept of women being afraid of you before you even say at word to them...
/r/seduction04/01/22 04:52 PM
1

Well you're not a 6'3 black dude so women wouldn't be as instantly put off, scared or whatever in your case. I can't exactly just shotgun approach random women like that...I'd land in jail lol.
/r/seduction04/01/22 04:44 PM
1

You can't just "approach a bunch of girls" if you have low self-esteem. It just makes you depressed and despite that, it's just a bad idea. I don't need to do that to know....it's obvious. I have no idea why people who are successful at cold approaching project project randomly think other people will too. It doesn't work that way. It's logistics. Women don't look to be approached anymore....unless you look like Harry Styles. They have OLD, social media, orbiters from work, school, , their socia…
/r/seduction04/01/22 04:42 PM
1

Ummmm no. There is no excuse to be poor. If you're poor its your fault for being lazy. Money is binary and pretty much solely contingent on your effort and intelligence. Women is NOT the same. That's why you have men with tons or money or can't get a woman. It's not like getting money, everything with women is based on things outside of your control. You don't have to deal with all these variables and factors. You don't need to be good-looking to make money. And no, it's not luck, it comes down …
/r/seduction04/01/22 04:37 PM
1

Likely because you're better looking than I and white.
/r/seduction04/01/22 04:33 PM
1

Smh. You used some guy for attention...who you strung alone and gave false hope for an ungodly amout of time, while you leeched validation from him and wasted his time and he got nothing from it. Then you no doubt lied to your bf about it, and you only entertained that guy anyway bc he was hot and then you went to brag on reddit about it. If not you would've immediately dismissed him and called him creepy or weird. So you're not only a vapid attention vacuum, you're a liar and you can't admit it…
/r/seduction04/01/22 04:32 PM
1

.. the entire point is to look for IOIs preemptively, that what you know which women to approach and you're not wasting your time. You screen them before the approach so you know they're already keen. Looking for IOIs after approaching is totally ass backwards. No, girls don't commonly make the first move, but they give out hints and signals if they want you to approach them. Without those you're just randomly cold approaching strangers and the odds of succes doing that is just too low.
/r/seduction04/01/22 02:07 PM
1

Lol if I have to force it, she's not interested.
/r/seduction04/01/22 02:03 PM
1

As long as you're really conventionally attractive cold approach is a viable option. If you're not, it's a waste of time.
/r/seduction04/01/22 12:31 PM
3

Perhaps you're ugly
/r/seduction04/01/22 12:11 PM
1

Annnnd you didn't deny any of it lol. You're either trolling reddit or trolling men IRL.
/r/seduction04/01/22 11:54 AM
2

Well either you don't dress well enough to show how wealthy you are or you're not as good-looking as you think.
/r/seduction04/01/22 11:49 AM
1

An ioi would be a glance or a look, or hovering around you or asking you a question or giving you a compliment. They can be subtle, but essentially it just a way they let you know they want your attention. Lol I can be sure bc that's a line that only works if she's interested, if not you come off as douchy. I look for iois ahead of time, that way I know she might be receptive of an approach, but I don't get them, so trying to go over and flirt with a stranger who's demonstrated no hints of inter…
/r/seduction04/01/22 11:48 AM
1

I'd be politely dismissed. Maybe she'd answer the question, but it would go bo further.
/r/seduction04/01/22 11:43 AM
0

My looks are average at best, but I worked on myself religiously. As have I as I allued to, granted it's mostly in the physical sense, but still. I could see if I was some short, fat guy who didn't work on himself at all, but sabs plastic surgery I've done everything feasibly possible to look as good as I can, and I'm 6'3. I’m able to display confidence and take control of the situation. I’m not concerned if they reject me or not because I know my worth at the end of the day and women can sense …
/r/seduction04/01/22 04:13 AM
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That's the thing...you can be tall, in great shape, groom well, have hair and skin regimes, and dress better than any straight man should, but if you're not good-looking...none of that matters.(Speaking from experience bc I've done ALL of that) To even get past that initial interaction and/or have an actual chance...well in most cases you have to be good-looking, or at least really, really charming or charismatic. And I'm not even referring to the hot females...that's even worse.. So calling oth…
/r/seduction04/01/22 03:38 AM
1

This is only feasible if you're good-looking. Otherwise you're a "weird" or "creepy" guy chronically bothering uninterested women. Females have OLD, SM, orbiters, social circle, strangers on the street, and tons of other guys giving them validation all the time. You can't just randomly approach women unless you look like James Franco, or it's a static waste of time.
/r/seduction04/01/22 03:16 AM
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Yes, attractive people
/r/seduction04/01/22 03:06 AM
1

No way all of them find the guy that way though. As long as he looks like Armie Hammer or something. If not...he's a "creep".
/r/seduction04/01/22 03:01 AM
1

Be really good-looking or look rich
/r/seduction04/01/22 02:34 AM
1

Lol its a fact. I literally can't go to a bar and approach a drunken woman let alone a sober one. It's not a belief, it's a fact. I'm not choosing to believe it, its.a.fact.
/r/seduction04/01/22 02:31 AM
1

Ummm...if you're so insecure, how do you have the confidence to admit it? I am far from good looking and I'm average at best, and as for being really social, I am also an introvert myself. How did you think confidence came to be? Did you think a charismatic guy have never been teased or challenged before? No, it's the way you think about tough situations and deal with them that makes confident guys seem the way they are. Like I said, the difference is that confident guy received positive affirma…
/r/seduction04/01/22 02:29 AM
1

As long as you're good-looking, sure. If not, you're "weird" or "creepy".
/r/seduction04/01/22 02:06 AM
1

Lol this is BS. If this did happen he had to have been good-looking, if not pretty much any woman would blatantly ignore this guy and think he was a weirdo or leave. This just demonstrates how even taken women need to leech validation from men with nothing in return.
/r/seduction04/01/22 02:00 AM
1

Ummm...because I have it so I can confirm it's existence. Approach anxiety doesn't exist for good-looking guys or really social people who have a cache of success and don't assume they'll fail or that people won't just dismiss them. Confidence is garnered via positive reinforcement. Even if you're someone who's worked on their physical components as much as they literally can, unless you have positive experiences, the anxiety will still be there.
/r/seduction04/01/22 01:55 AM
1

Lol approach anxiety absolutely does exist
/r/seduction04/01/22 01:50 AM
0

And the moment a guy is there they'll all think he's weird, their guard is up and it's countdown until he hits on them.
/r/seduction04/01/22 01:33 AM
-1

Anyone who uses the term "tOxIc MaScUliNiTy unironically doesn't have a penis. Go back to tumblr and worship queens and get friend zoned or whatever you white knights do.
/r/seduction17/09/21 04:29 PM
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...how would you know that? Sounds sus af. Edit: the username checks out, smh. Dude is clearly dick obsessed
/r/seduction17/09/21 04:15 PM
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Lol. There's tons of dudes that think of women as an "individual" and can't get a single one. Yet there's tons of guys that treat them like garb always seems to have a cache of them. It always comes down to external factors. If you're good-looking or rich, how you see them doesn't matter for shit. And if you're not, it still doesn't matter bc the guys that are be getting the attention, anway.
/r/seduction17/09/21 04:06 PM
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This is some real soyboy, bluehair simp rhetoric here. No one who gets laid actually thinks like this lol.
/r/seduction17/09/21 03:58 PM
1

I just avoid them tbh
/r/seduction09/09/21 07:02 PM
1

It doesn't matter at all. Just don't be a slob and wear clothes that fit. Beyond that is moot. I'm legitimately into high fashion and I dress extremely well and most of the time women don't even notice or care and I get hit on by gay guys, fml.
/r/seduction09/09/21 06:58 PM
1

OP asked how to open a conversation...
/r/seduction09/09/21 06:56 PM
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Don't be a social invalid and look for obvious clues?
/r/seduction09/09/21 07:25 AM
2

All those options and validations allow pretty much any woman to be as selective and discriminatory as possible, which means you're shit out luck if you're not really good-looking. It's no coincidence the rise of simps is simultaneous to the rise of OLD. It leads to a lot of lonely men with no options. That's why as counter-intelligence and fruitless as cold approaching is, I can't blame anyone for trying it. For many, it's easier that or nothing.
/r/seduction09/09/21 04:46 AM
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