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discussionthereslcjg2000/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/21 08:11 PM
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Intactivismthereslcjg2000/r/MensRights04/03/20 05:43 AM
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double standardsthereslcjg2000/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/23 01:06 AM
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Social Issuesthereslcjg2000/r/MensRights10/03/20 09:14 PM
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Anti-MRMthereslcjg2000/r/MensRights28/01/20 07:39 PM
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Discriminationthereslcjg2000/r/MensRights30/01/20 03:12 AM
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Intactivismthereslcjg2000/r/MensRights04/03/20 01:49 AM
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thereslcjg2000/r/FeminismStopsWhen12/03/20 11:47 PM
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False Accusationthereslcjg2000/r/MensRights28/03/20 11:04 PM
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Reddit is weird about the incel smear. I regularly see people called incels on Reddit for saying things that, in my admittedly anecdotal experience, the average person in the real world would agree with (regardless of political affiliation).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/26 03:23 AM
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That fixation on Adolescence was so weird. IIRC the creator of the show outright said that it was mostly a work of fiction and wasn't directly based on any real events, yet people still treated it as some kind of insightful expose.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/26 07:03 PM
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That's something that I find deeply disturbing about a certain subset of liberals, especially feminists. Refusing to discuss serious issues just because a person talking about them disagrees with you on completely unrelated issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 01:30 PM
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I do think that both masculinity and femininity have toxic elements along with positive ones. The main issue is how inconsistently feminists talk about the two.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 08:13 PM
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It's also funny because they'll turn around and act like men AREN'T afraid of other men when it suits their narrative. i.e. when they talk about how men are supposedly safe and comfortable walking down the street in contrast to women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 02:29 PM
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Autistic people in general make the average person very uncomfortable, and the mindset that a women feeling uncomfortable is inherently a human rights violation gives these people supposed moral high ground in their hatred towards autistic people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 07:07 PM
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Black men are literally some of the least coddled people, at least in America.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/26 01:14 AM
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This was my problem exactly. I came to therapy wanting solutions or at least suggestions. I mostly just got a lot of "How does that make you feel?" questions; therapy for me was mostly just going over the same thoughts I regularly went over in my head anyway, just with another person in the room. This was my experience trying out five or six therapists. Incidentally, after doing more research on the field and taking an undergraduate class about foundations for counseling when I was in college, i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/26 05:04 AM
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I still remember when ten years ago, feminists were complaining that men weren't opening up to their significant others enough and they needed to be more honest about their feelings. Now they're saying the opposite, lol. It's the same deal as the subject of approaching women in public... At the peak of the MeToo era you were constantly hearing that men should always just leave unknown women alone, but now they're claiming men need to approach women more often. A lot of things are seen as wrong n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 05:29 PM
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It's astounding how little respect so-called feminists tend to have for ordinary women.
/r/EverydayMisandry13/01/26 04:29 AM
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That’s right, different people have different views. Welcome to being a human.
/r/EverydayMisandry06/01/26 05:15 AM
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It’s funny how “men are perpetually horny while women aren’t” constantly oscillates between an offensive stereotype and an indisputable truth for some people, depending on what’s convenient in the moment.
/r/EverydayMisandry02/01/26 11:57 PM
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Hell, the original OP wasn’t even saying that FEMINISTS were bad, never mind women; he was just saying that he found them frustrating online but still wanted to be on their side. Some of these people take the least charitable interpretations possible of their critics.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/12/25 03:10 AM
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I’d say metoo ended when a lot of its advocates refused to apply the same standards towards Joe Biden as they did towards other men. That made a lot of the “believe women” rhetoric harder to take at face value for many people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/25 10:54 PM
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Here’s one, though I’d guess it’s more due to conservative culture pressuring marriage than anything else. Regardless, I’m struggling to find any sources backing up the frequently-cited claim that liberals are the more sexually successful ones.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/25 03:50 PM
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I agree that a lot of men don’t emotionally support the women in their lives. Having said that, I really don’t think women are any better at emotionally supporting men; it’s just that men mostly just accept this as the status quo.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/25 03:44 PM
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I swear that libs’ dating advice to men sounds like something from an after school special. Yeah, a lot of “manosphere” men’s ideas of how dating works are SUPER exaggerated, but most of them stem from legitimate trends; they’re just warped beyond reasonable points. By contrast, feminist dating advice almost always just assumes a just world and acts like there’s a perfect correlation between being a good person and having good relationship success.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/25 03:42 PM
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When men outpace women in education it’s seen as a structural issue, yet when women outpace men in education it’s seen as a personal issue. This despite numerous studies showing that women and girls are graded more leniently on average than men and boys.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/12/25 04:49 PM
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It’s funny because I’ve always viewed it the opposite way; companionship has always had inherently human connotations to me, and people using the term in reference to pets always struck me as a bit of anthropomorphizing.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/12/25 01:06 AM
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I’ve legitimately never seen a fandom even close to as deranged and cultish as Swifties, and I say that as someone who enjoys many of Taylor’s songs.
/r/EverydayMisandry11/12/25 12:48 AM
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It’s partly just that Reddit has become even more partisan and, frankly, worse at critical thinking than it used to be. You get a LOT of takes on this site that get treated as common sense that I very rarely encounter in real life. I wouldn’t assume that Reddit is indicative of opinion as a whole. Nonetheless, it’s concerning to see the site’s shift in opinion over the trial.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/25 11:11 PM
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I’ve always found this feminist obsession with labels super weird. Why the fuck does it matter what word you use to describe yourself? I’ve met people who identify as feminists whose views I respect and people who don’t identify as feminists whose views I respect. Conversely, I’ve met people who identify as feminists whose views I don’t respect as well as people who don’t identify as feminists whose views I don’t respect. What I care about is the essence of your beliefs, not the label you apply …
/r/EverydayMisandry30/11/25 05:30 AM
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Vasectomies aren’t guaranteed to be reversible. If you are sure you don’t want kids, then yes, getting one is the responsible thing to do. But it’s not a good idea if you’re considering kids in any capacity.
/r/EverydayMisandry28/11/25 03:17 PM
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I’ve always wondered whether posts like this are projection from feminist men. It seems to me like feminist men are usually the ones who think they’re being unusually good men by doing the bare minimum of basic decency, and I suspect that some of them like to imagine that all men feel that way rather than just themselves.
/r/EverydayMisandry23/11/25 05:21 PM
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It sounds like a lot of her arguments literally just boil down to “I’m not familiar with this so it isn’t true.” Impressive that you even bothered to rebut such an incoherent argument.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/25 06:13 AM
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I’m tired of these fucking arguments. Why does it even matter? I’d argue that misogyny and misandry are usually intrinsically connected in any case, so this argument could be made in any direction for almost any gender issue. But why make that argument anyway? Rkegardless of why people have these ideas, they should be fought. Framing it as being about misogyny doesn’t change the fact that ideas like this should be fought.
/r/EverydayMisandry20/11/25 10:03 PM
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I personally would describe PUAs as more extreme than incels, since many of them actually use arguably manipulative methods on real people whereas incels mostly just stick to themselves. Otherwise, I agree with your post.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/25 02:24 PM
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I legitimately have no idea watching this short whether this guy is a feminist or a conservative. It’s kind of wild how, as much as they hate each other, their views of gender dynamics are ultimately far more similar than they are different. Both think men should be forced to risk their lives for the benefit of women, who are too fragile to fend for themselves; the only real difference is that conservatives think women should have some level of restricted autonomy in exchange for being the prote…
/r/EverydayMisandry19/11/25 03:23 AM
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What are they talking about? I see left wing men talking about relationship struggles all the time online. Granted, you could argue they do it in less toxic ways than certain sects of right wing men, but it’s very common nonetheless. I can’t remember the specific study off the top of my head, but I remember reading a scientific study on the demographics of self-identified incels which actually showed that a greater proportion of them identity as liberal than conservative. I’m sure I could find t…
/r/EverydayMisandry16/11/25 01:59 AM
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I’ve seen this talking point all over reddit in the last year or so about how often not women are with ugly men and I just… don’t see it? To be clear, I don’t see the reverse often either, I just usually see people dating people of similar attractiveness to themselves. I’ve honestly never seen that talking point outside of the internet nor did I ever see it before a year or two ago… it’s honestly odd to me how quickly it’s caught on.
/r/EverydayMisandry09/11/25 09:17 PM
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Completely disagree. Even if circumcision did no physical damage, unnecessary body modification without consent would still be a massive issue to me. By contrast, if the procedure was consensual, I wouldn’t care about the things you mention. Besides, the specific amount of damage it does has been debated a lot. By contrast, the lack of consent is objective and indisputable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/25 09:13 PM
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Even if women were disproportionately raped, that still would be irrelevant to the other issues being discussed. Multiple problems can exist at once.
/r/EverydayMisandry08/11/25 09:18 PM
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I’m genuinely curious; what the fuck do these people think misandry means if not hatred of men? How does “hatred of men isn’t real, but I hate men” make sense?
/r/EverydayMisandry07/11/25 11:11 PM
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As an autistic guy, this is honestly part of why I could never connect to the feminist movement even when I was younger and had more positive views of mainstream liberalism. It was always obvious to me that most of the guides about creepy things that make guys toxic would look like a diagnosis guide for Asperger’s if you remove the two or three most egregiously wrong bullet points. What’s even more disturbing to me is that people seem much less ashamed of this ableism than they used to be. When …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/25 01:10 AM
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I’ve also heard jokes about priests raping boys, but I genuinely don’t recall ever hearing a joke about a female rape victim, only male ones.
/r/EverydayMisandry31/10/25 10:00 PM
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When men don’t step up to help marginalized communities it’s a problem… but it’s also a problem when they DO step up?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/25 10:00 PM
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Of course she’s a fucking TERF. Just listening to the talking points OP described, that definitely checks out…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/25 02:31 AM
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It has a lot of rants about feminism, and while it sometimes criticizes the misandrist aspects of traditionalism, it seems to treat right wingers with kid gloves compared to left wingers and liberals I’ve never seen anything Andrew Tate level over there, but there’s a lot of the type of traditionalism you might expect from someone’s grandparents. I used to hang out there sometimes, but while there’s some good stuff to be found there, ultimately it’s too biased a community for me to feel like it’…
/r/EverydayMisandry27/10/25 08:25 PM
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I honestly struggle to imagine what on this sub would be considered misogynistic. People here bend over backwards to avoid sounding like they’re generalizing women. I can’t help but suspect that they decided their opinion on this sub as soon as they saw the name, and no matter what the content of this sub entailed they would have stuck to their decision.
/r/EverydayMisandry27/10/25 08:21 PM
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“The economy is shit and it’s all men’s fault!!!”
/r/EverydayMisandry21/10/25 08:04 PM
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This is one of those areas where if you have tons of crazy exes it’s a red flag; however, if you just have one, it should be taken by a case by case basis.
/r/EverydayMisandry21/10/25 08:03 PM
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Using the term “neurodivergent” in ANY context without specifying the disability is a massive red flag.
/r/EverydayMisandry19/10/25 03:04 PM
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What the fuck is a “married pickme?” If you’ve already been picked, why would you try to get picked?
/r/EverydayMisandry16/10/25 09:23 PM
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I have complicated feelings on this. Clearly OP did nothing wrong, but I generally agree with the comments saying it makes sense for his girlfriend to be uncomfortable. Inevitably people are going to have insecurities about partners’ sexual histories; if you really love someone, the goal ought to be to overcome those insecurities though and to recognize that your unhealthy instincts shouldn’t ruin a good relationship. However, I’d still stand by all those things even if the genders were reversed…
/r/EverydayMisandry16/09/25 11:32 PM
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It’s still difficult to get used to. Five years ago, “incel” had already taken on negative connotations, but it was still understood as referring to a very specific type of misogynist. It meant a man who struggled with relationships and responded to his struggles with misogyny. It’s annoying how broad the term has become; any use it might have once had has long disappeared.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/25 05:04 PM
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Yeah, emotional intelligence is a real thing, but in my experience a LOT of people who preach about emotional intelligence use the phrase to mean “always knows exactly how to address my emotional needs without requiring me to address any emotional needs in return.”
/r/EverydayMisandry28/06/25 12:45 PM
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I personally don’t use arguments like this because they’re a bit inflammatory for my taste, but it’s not hard for me to understand the point of them. In our society, violence against men is fairly normalized and is not really seen as a substantial human rights violation. The same is not true for violence against women. So the implication is that if you support equality when it benefits you but are fine with gendered double standards when they benefit you, you’re a hypocrite. The obvious retort w…
/r/EverydayMisandry21/05/25 02:21 PM
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It’s funny how so many feminists talk about the horrors of marital rape, then turn around and say stuff like this. Such a remarkably entitled mindset.
/r/EverydayMisandry01/05/25 10:47 PM
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What is this person talking about? Everything in the second paragraph is applied far more often to male victims than female ones. I’ll concede that the third paragraph does mostly apply to women though.
/r/EverydayMisandry17/04/25 08:16 PM
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The funny thing is that men are still clearly becoming less religious across generations, just not at as fast a rate as women.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/04/25 02:48 AM
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Personally, I’m just not a smiley person by default. Even when I’m happy, my default expression is very neutral… I smile when I’m having an extremely good time, but in an emotionally neutral situation like riding public transport, I’m unlikely to be smiling. Not everything is based around some deep ulterior motive…
/r/EverydayMisandry04/04/25 07:40 PM
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It’s fascinating to see just how quickly the term “incel” has evolved. Even five years ago, it was generally understood to refer to a specific TYPE of misogynist, ie a man who struggles with dating/sex and takes it out on all women. It didn’t used to be a catch all term; there were also terms like MGTOW and PUA which feminists also used for other types of men they perceived as misogynistic. I honestly don’t think it’s a coincidence that the one that stuck (and absorbed all the other terms) is th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/25 06:41 PM
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You have a bit of an unusual scale for the political spectrum. I don’t understand how liberal is considered left-wing yet social democrat is considered center-left.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/25 09:26 PM
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I think Jordan Peterson’s advice can be useful for a very specific subset of men, specifically those severely lacking purpose or motivation who just need a clear-cut self-improvement goal to focus on. However, his worldview is too restrictive to be healthy for men as a general collective.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/25 02:47 AM
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Seriously. Maybe you can… you know, ask?
/r/EverydayMisandry19/02/25 01:51 PM
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I occasionally heard rape jokes in high school… but only jokes about male victims. Ie prison rape jokes and Catholic priest rape jokes. I don’t think I’ve heard a joke in my life where the punchline was a woman getting raped; that’s mostly just online edge lords who just try to anger whoever is the easiest person to anger.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/02/25 06:54 PM
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They quite literally are the equivalent when it comes to discussions about street violence and violence in general. Both circumstances take violence disproportionately faced by one demographic and insist that it’s wrong to focus on that one demographic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/25 08:39 PM
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Don’t know whether she did anything to Chappel specifically, but Taylor has a tendency to put out variants whenever other songs are released to try to get the spotlight. That’s well documented and not made up. Swifties are in such a cult.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/02/25 06:26 PM
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I swear, women are the only demographic who can get away with being treated as the primary victims of circumstances that they are objectively less harmed by. I’m genuinely curious about what kind of subreddit would give a comment like that so many upvotes…
/r/EverydayMisandry09/02/25 12:57 AM
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Yeah, that’s my main issue with the emotional labor discussion. I swear that most of the arguments complaining about it boil down to “we have different standards for what constitutes an agreeable lifestyle, and mine are objectively correct!” I do think that it’s important to take each others’ priorities into account and try to be agreeable to them, but this should require compromise on both ends. Ie one person takes care of one chore, the other takes care of another, or both people work on the t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/25 04:43 PM
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Bringing up the man vs. bear thing on a FIRST FUCKING DATE is a massive red flag. Honestly I’m happy she’s doing that; it’s good that potential dates will see her priorities right from the get go.
/r/EverydayMisandry30/01/25 01:55 PM
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That sub is the epitome of everything wrong with Reddit.
/r/EverydayMisandry29/01/25 05:54 AM
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“Barely ever is about actually hurting men” Considering men are substantially more at risk of almost every violent crime than women due to traditional gender roles, I’m inclined to disagree.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/01/25 06:18 PM
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Then shame them for their views instead of their sexual history.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/01/25 06:14 PM
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People in that income bracket can get away with pretty much any crime you name.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/01/25 06:13 PM
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TERFs and man-hating - name a more iconic duo…
/r/EverydayMisandry23/01/25 10:54 PM
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To borrow these people’s own terminology, posts like this are 100% punching down.
/r/EverydayMisandry21/01/25 01:14 PM
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It really says a lot that a lot of people hear men use the word “lonely” and immediately interpret it as holding sexual connotations. A lot of people who claim to oppose gender stereotypes have ridiculously stereotypical views of men.
/r/EverydayMisandry20/01/25 04:03 AM
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Even putting aside the ridiculousness of the scenario, it’s crazy how entitled some of these types are. They’re like the gender flipped version of the stereotype of a man who won’t take no for an answer. Not everyone is attracted to you; it isn’t a human rights violation for someone not to be interested in dating you.
/r/EverydayMisandry20/01/25 12:57 AM
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Lmao, that’s very much untrue. If anything the worst men tend to avoid protesting; it’s in their best interest for all men to be blamed, because whereas a normal man carries a heavier burden than he otherwise would if his entire gender is blamed, an actual bad man ends up carrying a lighter burden than he otherwise would.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/01/25 05:24 AM
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This is so deluded I actually find it funny.
/r/EverydayMisandry14/01/25 08:09 PM
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It’s hard to provide any rebuttals when the entire comment thread is vague and unsourced. If you actually cite your sources than people might be able to find out how true or false you claims are.
/r/EverydayMisandry14/01/25 07:58 PM
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That always baffled me because it always seemed to me that a genuinely misogynistic man would benefit from over generalizations far more than the average man would. You’re essentially asking people to stop focusing on the genuinely bad people and instead zoom out to a less focused perspective… surely that would do far more to help the genuinely bad people than to hurt them? Misogynists/abusers/etc. get less blame than they otherwise would if you blame all men, whereas men who don’t fall into tho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/25 10:48 PM
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If I recall correctly, “toxic masculinity” was coined by the Mythopoetic Men’s Movement, a movement founded by men but not associated in any way with the Men’s Rights Movement. I’m not an expert on the actions of the MRM, but I do know it has set up shelters for abused men as well as filing lawsuits against certain discriminatory organizations (notably selective service).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/25 06:35 PM
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It’s especially sad because in my experience, the guys who are drawn to those sorts of communities are those who already have a lot of self esteem issues and frankly are too insecure about themselves as is without external incentives to hate themselves even more.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/25 03:49 AM
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Anecdotally, I’ve met women who openly admit that they would defend and protect their friends even if they committed murder. I’ve never at any point heard a man say something similar. I don’t think all women defend all women no matter what or anything, but assuming good faith based only on shared gender is something I’ve observed far more often in women than men. You even see this play into feminist thought; for instance, saying that a man complaining about his ex or his mother implies misogyny …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/24 01:59 AM
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It gives me similar vibes to the people who respond to complains about financial struggles with “get a better job!” Yeah, that would be nice, but you can’t just change all of society to be more accommodating. I agree that it would be nice if more men had sympathetic communities. I don’t think most lonely men are choosing not to have close male friends; either they don’t connect to other men easily or other men struggle to understand them.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/12/24 09:03 PM
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It’s kind of ironic to even use the term “fragile masculinity,” given how reliant on the idea of fragility as a bad thing that real men must avoid. If you want to criticize overly rigid standards of manhood, fine, but don’t do it in a way that relies on the very rigid ideas you claim to oppose.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/12/24 05:57 AM
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…What the fuck? I’m genuinely struggling to imagine how someone could look at this and see it as an accurate description of reality. I know some very stereotypically liberal “woke” types and I can’t even imagine any of them seeing this meme as accurate. How the hell does this have literally thousands of likes?
/r/EverydayMisandry17/12/24 12:05 AM
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Yeh, while there clearly subsets of women who are perfectly fine being approached, complimented, etc. they definitely tend to be nowhere near as vocal as those who strongly prefer not to be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/24 07:51 PM
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It’s genuinely fascinating how five years ago the internet and news sources were filled to the brim with articles and anecdotes about how women just aren’t able to be left alone in public and men need to stop being entitled and just leave women be in public. The general consensus in liberal and left wing circles was that approaching a stranger for the purpose of a date isn’t appropriate. Then post-COVID we’re suddenly being told that men not approaching women is a huge issue and women deserve be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/24 05:24 PM
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I think it’s true that those roles have left men unfulfilled, but I think a lot of men still find them preferable to having no clear pathway to fulfillment. As women’s gender roles have grown less relevant, there’s been an increasing emphasis on self-actualization for women, on examining what their own desires and goals night be regardless of how much they benefit others. Men haven’t really been given this pathway to nearly the same extent, as a lot of people across the political spectrum still …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/24 05:15 PM
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Objectively speaking, boys are falling behind girls in school and are often getting lower grades for the same work. Saying boys are struggling isn’t “society;” it’s observable data.
/r/EverydayMisandry13/12/24 05:29 AM
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That subreddit honestly houses the most toxic people on all sides of the gender war spectrum.
/r/EverydayMisandry11/12/24 08:32 PM
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The entire incel conversation is so frustrating to me, because assuming that by "incel" people mean what the term meant 5-10 years ago, the incel ideology is indeed toxic. However, most of the responses IMO do far more to contribute to the toxicity than to fight it. Most self-identifying incels legitimately have issues beyond their control. They're disproportionately disabled (both physically and mentally) and, if I recall correctly, are very largely composed of racial/ethnic minorities despite …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/24 08:36 PM
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A lot of people who otherwise oppose the “perfect victim” myth also suddenly start endorsing it when the genders are reversed from the archetype. You saw a lot of that during the Depp-Heard trial, when people were basically arguing “well yes she abused him, but some of his reactions were bad too so he shouldn’t get that much sympathy.” It was especially maddening after feminists spent so many years dissuading that mindset in circumstances of a man abusing a woman.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/24 06:25 PM
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Maybe the fact that people like you struggled and you were called slurs is WHY people are now concerned about men’s mental health?
/r/EverydayMisandry07/12/24 03:13 PM
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I get the sense that in scenarios like this, the woman in the relationship often just cares far more about cleanliness and order than the man, and instead of talking about it with him she ends up growing bitter and assuming he expects the tasks to get done, while the man pretty much assumes she wants to get the tasks done. Men who genuinely expect all those things from a woman are very scummy though.
/r/EverydayMisandry01/12/24 02:19 AM
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Not a fan of the Young Turks, but she’s definitely the better of the two.
/r/EverydayMisandry29/11/24 08:03 PM
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Everyone here is stupid. The original post is just too vague to make any legitimate point and is way to easy to interpret as defending rape. The response, as you’ve pointed out, assumes by default that men can’t experience rape, just asserts that rape is worse than murder without offering any evidence as to why, and accuses the original post of blaming feminism despite feminism not being mentioned at any point in the original post. Just a stupid interaction all around.
/r/EverydayMisandry29/11/24 08:01 PM
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I’ve noticed for awhile that the skeptic subreddit hasn’t been particularly skeptical in a long time. It feels like they mostly just parrot mainstream narratives and mock anyone who doesn’t share those narratives. It baffles me at this point why that subreddit even uses the term skeptic anymore; it doesn’t really apply to most people there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/24 03:05 PM
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First and foremost, acknowledging the role capitalism plays in gender roles. Most male gender roles directly convenience the upper classes’ accumulation of profit. I don’t think you can have a fully productive conversation about men’s issues without addressing this. To a lesser but still significant extent, it means questioning the social status quo. Any rhetoric about “men/women should behave in x way” beyond basic human decency must be rejected.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 10:21 PM
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I’ve noticed the same thing regarding your last paragraph. In the latter half of the 2010s, “never approach a woman you don’t know in public” was absolutely inescapable. Nowadays the narrative has softened a lot into there being a somewhat complex set of rules as to whether it’s okay or not. It drives me crazy how people deny the obvious fact that the current message is contradictory to the old one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 10:17 PM
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Trump itself doesn’t claim to support it, but some members of his cabinet do. I don’t think it’s guaranteed like some people act like it is, but I definitely think we should be cautious about the possibility of at least parts of it being enacted.
/r/EverydayMisandry08/11/24 07:49 PM
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How come? She’s always been very vocally in favor of universal healthcare, opposed to imperialism, anti-religious extremism, and critical of the CIA and the FBI. She’s long been a Bernie Sanders supporter, and during the 2020 election season she even went out and tried to sell Trump supporters on him. In one of her latest videos she discussed how both parties in the US are too right wing for her liking and her wish is for the Democrats to become more economically progressive. I can’t off the top…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/24 10:39 PM
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True, but I feel like they used to be a lot more self-conscious about it. It used to be something they kind of brought up after men shared their experiences expressing their emotions in order to justify their experiences, whereas now it kind of seems to be at the front of their rhetoric around men.
/r/EverydayMisandry30/10/24 09:45 PM
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It really is fascinating to me in less than five years, the default talking point went from “men are too emotionally distant” to “men are too emotionally expressive.”
/r/EverydayMisandry30/10/24 09:15 PM
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Good god… the best of these answers still read like the equivalent of trickle down economics.
/r/EverydayMisandry29/10/24 09:35 PM
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I don’t think this is really sexist or offensive, though it does amuse me that she’s framing it as if there are only two kinds of drunken behavior. There are definitely people who are active but not aggressive after a few drinks, as well as people who are calm but not sleepy.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/10/24 03:49 PM
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Ironically enough, my experience has been that it’s overwhelmingly other women who get upset at the idea of different women having different opinions. Obviously not all women though.
/r/EverydayMisandry25/10/24 03:34 PM
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I think most women’s issues are legitimate. It’s just that many of them have more complex reasonings than they’re popularly described as. For instance, I do think that most female-dominated fields are underpaid relative to male-dominated ones, but I think the reasons more involve capitalism than hatred of women. Historically men have mostly been the providers, so they’ve had to negotiate for higher pay than women have had to, and the world hasn’t really caught up. It’s not because employers disl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/24 01:20 PM
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“Can walk alone at night with less risk” is objectively false.
/r/EverydayMisandry06/10/24 08:32 PM
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I think it’s as simple as that people have a tendency to project every negative trait onto the people they dislike.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/24 09:27 PM
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Objectively speaking, being non-white in the US is associated with higher mortality, greater risk of violence, and less forgiveness by government organizations, and that’s much more true of non-white men than women. Black men in particular are one of the groups most at risk of violence, both by other individuals and by the state. Being a woman isn’t associated with any of those things. I’m not denying women have genuine issues, but to claim those issues constitute greater discrimination than rac…
/r/EverydayMisandry24/09/24 09:10 PM
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Good god, why are people so insecure about the idea of multiple groups having issues at the same time?
/r/EverydayMisandry24/09/24 02:59 PM
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Hell, even fucking MensLib (which bends over backwards to accommodate feminist sensibilities) is often accused by other Reddit feminist-leaning spaces of being misogynistic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/24 09:57 PM
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um… men murder other men much, much more frequently than they murder women. I’ve always found it odd how frequently violence is given as evidence of misogyny given that objectively speaking, women are the sex least at risk of violence.
/r/EverydayMisandry21/09/24 06:04 PM
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Not even just today; holding men to harsher standards than women for the same crimes has pretty much been a thing for all of history.
/r/EverydayMisandry19/09/24 08:22 PM
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The projection is astounding. I genuinely don’t think I’ve EVER seen anyone say that men have it worse than women in every way. I’ve seen the reverse many times. Also, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - why the hell do we have to talk about men’s and women’s issues as separate conversations? Gender expectations are so intertwined that in my opinion, you can deal with them far more effectively if you take both sides into account. I don’t understand why so many people want to view their i…
/r/EverydayMisandry16/09/24 03:59 AM
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It baffles me why these even have to be separate conversations. Why can’t we just support victims period?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/09/24 12:13 AM
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Yes, exactly. That’s what really bothers me; that men and women both have a lot of issues with dating in this day and age, yet the reactions to both sexes are so wildly different.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/24 04:32 AM
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Imagine your source being a Reddit comment…
/r/EverydayMisandry30/08/24 08:53 PM
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While I don’t think Reddit ever outright hated women, I do think Reddit was a much more male-centric site that was sometimes a little too dismissive towards women’s issues back in the 2010s. However, it seems to have done a big 180 nowadays and has become the opposite and then some.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/24 01:54 PM
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Even when straight men are involved, I always find it telling that when men so much as say the word “lonely,” a huge amount of people immediately interpret it as holding sexual connotations. It’s very telling of how a lot of supposedly progressive people still view men as having no emotions other than anger and horniness.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/24 04:57 PM
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That’s disappointing. Lindsay Ellis always struck me as one of the more reasonable social justice adjacent YouTubers. It’s also disappointing because that subject of people unfairly blaming Yoko for everything that happened with John and the Beatles is IMO a legitimate issue that warrants analysis. I still can’t get over how many seemingly reasonable people can buy into a narrative so compellingly disproven as the pro-Amber Heard movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/08/24 11:59 PM
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I would agree with this in and of itself, though I’d respect it far more if mainstream feminism practiced what it preaches in this respect. I always see the movement taking it as wrong when men aren’t attracted to specific types of women and claiming they’ve just been brainwashed into their preferences, which makes it seem hypocritical to me how averse they are to men making similar complaints. To be clear, I don’t think that’s an appropriate mindset for either sex. I think the ideal should be t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/08/24 07:19 PM
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One very obvious showcase of this was the Will Smith/Chris Rock incident a few years ago, in which Will Smith slapped Chris Rock for making a joke about his wife. Most of the internet agreed that this was overkill, yet diehard conservatives and diehard feminists were united in being the only ones in the discourse to claim it was completely justified.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/24 06:01 AM
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It’s a useless metric it and of itself. As anyone who knows the slightest thing about research will tell you, you cannot determine causation from correlation. Maybe marriage genuinely does make men happier. Maybe happiness in men makes them more attractive to women and thus more likely to be married. Maybe there’s some third factor that leads to both greater chances of happiness and greater chances of marriage. Who knows? Anyone who feels comfortable authoritatively stating the direction of a co…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/24 05:02 PM
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As with much of Reddit, AmITheAngel started out good but became much worse over time. Its stated purpose is to be focused on callout/parody of AITA, so early on there was a lot of reposting of particularly stupid AITA posts along with obvious exaggerations of AITA tendencies. That stuff isn’t exactly gone, but in the last couple years the sub has gained a heavy dose of Reddit-style establishment liberalism. It didn’t used to be a particularly political sub, but nowadays politics seems to be a bi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/24 01:53 AM
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Yes, exactly. Many of the ideas and behaviors associated with the term “toxic masculinity” are very much real issues, yet there’s such an obvious double standard in how gender roles are discussed. A woman behaving in dysfunctional ways due to how she was socialized = sexism, of which she’s the primary victim and which is on the shoulders of society to change. A man behaving in dysfunctional ways due to how he was socialized = toxic masculinity, of which others are the primary victims and which i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/24 05:49 PM
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The “how common are they” question is so irritating to me because in my mind, that’s not at all relevant to the issue at hand. Presumption of innocence and due process are important for anyone accused of a crime regardless of how likely it is that they are guilty vs innocent. Even if literally fewer than 1% of cases were false (despite the data not supporting this), that wouldn’t change the fact that the accused deserve the same basic human rights as people accused of any other crime.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/24 01:33 AM
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Good god, what an entitled comment. It’s awful when men kill women, of course, but objectively speaking no group is safer from violence than women. And the idea that people care less about women getting killed is absurd. Even many people on the more mainstream liberal side of the fence acknowledge that nowadays; that’s what the phrase “missing white woman syndrome” describes. There are genuine issues affecting women more than men, don’t get me wrong. Women are indeed often taken less seriously t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 04:15 PM
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It’s complicated. Generally I feel that liberals understate the differences between the sexes while conservatives overstate them. Given that evolution is guided by sexual reproduction, and different traits would be advantageous in sexual reproduction depending on the sex, it just doesn’t make sense to me that the two sexes would happen to evolve without any significant personality differences. HOWEVER, I also think there’s so much individual difference within the human race that I don’t think it…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/24 10:15 PM
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With both sexes, I’d say we should listen but not blindly trust. We’re generally not great judges of our own character, and most people are going to present a glorified version of themselves. So I think we shouldn’t distrust people’s assessments of themselves per se, but we shouldn’t take them as the final word. I don’t think this is dependent in any way on one’s sex.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/24 10:11 PM
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Domestic violence against men. Many people seem to assume that only a minuscule proportion of domestic violence is targeted towards men. While the studies vary a lot in how common domestic violence against men is, none of them suggest it’s as rare as the societal assumptions indicate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/24 07:50 PM
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Of all the feminist talking points, the whole “only creepy men worry about how their actions may be interpreted” is honestly the singular one I find the most difficult to take seriously. It’s just so blatantly detached from reality. My experience is that all men I’ve talked to about the subject - regardless of political views, level of social competence, personality type - have some level of worry that they might be seen as creepy in certain scenarios. As a matter of fact, if a man admitted that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/24 08:21 PM
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Like all people, they run a gambit from wonderful to terrible. I think there are traits (positive and negative) that are more prevalent in either sex, but there’s too much variation within sexes for me to judge them as a whole. No, that notion legitimately never crossed my mind at any point prior to today. Depends on how you define feminism. I think the feminist movement as a whole is a capitalist grift that doesn’t care much about helping anyone, even putting aside its tendency to embrace tradi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/24 12:21 AM
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This is very weird… I feel like the isolation one and the toupee one are such common statements that they almost come across as cliches to me, yet clearly the implication is supposed to be that they’re absurd to imagine in real life. I’m honestly struggling to wrap my head around what kind of bubble the artist might be living in that they believe those two come across as unrealistic? The robbery one is less common and less gendered, but advising people not to appear to possess wealth in a poorer…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/24 07:42 PM
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I think male-on-male rape is taken less seriously than male-on-female, but is still accepted as a negative thing. By contrast, rape by female perpetrators (regardless of the sex of the victim) isn’t really accepted as a legitimate issue by wider society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/24 05:52 PM
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Yeah, solely placing the blame on women definitely misses the mark. It’s a societal issue enforced by both men and women. Having said that, I don’t think that most people discussing men being lonely do specifically target women. I’m sure there are people who do that, but few if any of the Reddit posts or YouTube videos I personally have seen on the subject blame any specific gender.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/24 04:43 AM
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It really is bizarre that these types have decided to die on this hill after spending most of the 2010s freely admitting that society doesn’t take interest in men’s feelings. This makes it pretty obvious in hindsight that the whole “men should be more comfortable opening up” narrative was intended as a gotcha to those bringing up other men’s issues, not as an actual piece of advice intended to help men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/24 12:13 AM
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Even besides that, NYT has long been a highly capitalist publication. You’re sadly not going to see a lot of class issues discussed there in any context.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/24 09:28 PM
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“Class solidarity with other men” Does this person even know what “class” means?
/r/EverydayMisandry03/06/24 01:38 PM
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It never ceases to amaze me how eager a lot of these people are to embrace conservative pro-life arguments whenever it’s convenient to them.
/r/EverydayMisandry22/05/24 02:41 AM
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…Pretty much everyone with any kind of prejudice uses safety as an excuse. That doesn’t make it valid.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/05/24 01:32 PM
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Ironic that it lists “bc she was a woman” when, statistically, men are MUCH more likely to attack other men than women.
/r/EverydayMisandry07/05/24 05:30 AM
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I know what you mean. I’d say I’m masculine in some ways, feminine in other ways, and just difficult to categorize in general. Regardless though, there’s been a massive shift in the dominant feminist perspective to men in the last five years. Granted, I’d argue the substance of their perspectives is largely the same, but they seem much less interested in wrapping it up in pretty packaging than they did before. In the 2010s the stereotype of feminism by anti feminists and critics was largely that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 09:33 PM
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Lmao, I’m sure if these people explained their lines of reasoning to a bear instead, that bear would be wonderfully supportive…
/r/EverydayMisandry29/04/24 09:51 PM
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Not to mention that the most common transphobic talking points against trans women are intrinsically linked to misandry. The assumption is that given their biological maleness, they can be assumed to be predatory and violent - the same assumptions that permeate many of the issues men’s movements deal with. It’s maddening how many people are willing to acknowledge those negative assumptions as they pertain to trans women but not as they pertain to cis men, or vise versa.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/24 10:41 PM
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I hate when people try to make misandry vs misogyny into a competition. Is it that difficult to accept that multiple negative things can exist at once?
/r/EverydayMisandry08/04/24 06:19 PM
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This right here. It’s true that hedonism in women is judged harshly by people of some ideologies, but hedonism in men is judged harshly by people of nearly all ideologies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/24 04:11 PM
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I'm honestly jealous of this guy. I've met so many people of both sexes who have lacked empathy whenever I've been struggling with something. I'm mostly happy he's had better experiences than me, although it drives me crazy when people have that mindset of "I personally haven't experienced x, therefore it doesn't exist!"
/r/EverydayMisandry16/03/24 11:58 PM
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I honestly think a big part of this assumption stems from just how differently men and women are socialized to deal with fear. Women are largely taught to avoid potentially fearful situations, and to be extremely on guard when such situations are necessary. Men by contrast are largely taught to just suck it up and pretend not to be worried. I think that there are some women who notice that men rarely behave the way THEY would if they were afraid, and they incorrectly assume that men must therefo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/24 02:50 AM
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As a guy, I’ve done all but two points on this list. People are scared sometimes, sometimes it’s justified, sometimes it isn’t. This is a part of life.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/03/24 05:56 PM
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Objectively speaking, men get punished more severely on average than women for the exact same crimes. The idea that the law protects men at all costs is incoherent.
/r/EverydayMisandry23/02/24 10:34 PM
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As others have said, I tend to avoid labels while I can because worldviews are complicated and labels tend to grossly oversimplify them. However, if I have to label myself I’d describe myself as an egalitarian.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 04:11 PM
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The two kind of go hand in hand. Islamophobia, racism, xenophobia, etc. tend to be disproportionately targeted at men of those groups, and they tend to be more extreme versions of the same prejudices applied against men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/24 09:41 PM
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Both conservatives and feminists are very, very uncomfortable around non-neurotypical men and clearly don’t have any interest in overcoming their discomfort.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/24 04:40 PM
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I’ve seen Redditors say multiple times that men shouldn’t complain about their exes because any women’s first thought is that. Such a blatant double standard.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/24 04:34 PM
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It’s also frustrating because not only does it hurt men, it also undermines their own stated goals. It’s like some of them want to have their cake and eat it. They still want men to protect women and put themselves in danger to keep women safe. They still want men to put aside their needs and insecurities if it has a risk of making anyone even mildly uncomfortable. Yet they don’t think women should be viewed as weak, and they don’t want men to be perceived as having more agency than women? You c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 05:19 PM
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I’ve noticed this too. It seems like one of Reddit’s default responses to a man doing something that frustrates a woman in a relationship is “he’s just insecure,” which in and of itself is meant to imply that he’s in the wrong and the woman is in the right. As if insecurity in and of itself is shameful. I legitimately don’t think I’ve EVER seen Reddit use “insecure” in the same context for a woman. I don’t think this is quite as pronounced in the real world, but it’s definitely still a double st…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 03:03 PM
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I agree with your general premise that neither traditionalists nor feminists are helpful towards men’s issues, but I don’t think you’ve done the best job of backing it up. You present a very simplified description of history. You claim that women once weren’t allowed to work or be financially independent. This is false, and as a matter of fact most women of less financially comfortable backgrounds have had to work throughout history. Staying at home, while often a social pressure inflicted upon …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/24 05:05 PM
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It’s also really noticeable when you see feminists debating non-feminists, especially online. They frequently fall back on insults about men being sexually inactive, having small genitals, and/or not having the money to support themselves, despite feminists elsewhere claiming to oppose the idea that those traits should be necessities in order for a man to be an acceptable human being.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/24 11:05 PM
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It really is disturbing. I used to very much be a defender of social media amidst so much criticism of it, but I think that post-COVID in particular it’s come to dominate people’s lives to far greater levels than would be healthy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/24 08:36 PM
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It’s frustrating. Conservatives really don’t have anything to offer younger people regardless of gender and I wish that men weren’t flocking to such ideologies. However, it’s hard to fault them too much when liberals (I refuse to call them “the left” because their views are so contradictory towards what I view as left wing values) are so obviously useless in moving things in more positive directions. They are so ridiculously dismissive towards even the most mild observations of men’s issues; thi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/24 04:28 PM
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Yeah, when I was in high school in particular. I’m mildly autistic and on the socially awkward side (was even more so at the time). I think people like me who already tend towards not understanding unwritten rules and who already have dealt with self esteem struggles as a result are more vulnerable than average to taking that kind of narrative to heart. We’re already weird and people already have a tendency to distance themselves from us, so it’s easy to believe messages about how our existence …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/24 01:57 PM
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Seriously. All the talk about how women are at risk of violence (as well as how allegedly biased against women the legal system is) is, statistically speaking, more or less the equivalent of the WhiteLivesMatter hashtag. Yet we’re supposed to not only support it but view it as progressive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/24 04:31 PM
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If anything, I see a lot of feminists reinforcing those myths you mention towards the end. Particularly in conversations about sexual harassment, where it’s frequently assumed that perfectly innocuous but awkward moves on men’s part are due to wanting sex. Similarly, it seems to almost exclusively be feminists who interpret “male loneliness” as solely relating to sex. I don’t understand how any of those assumptions can be made if you don’t assume the traditional stereotypes of men as perpetually…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/24 03:55 AM
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It’s also wild to me how commonly accepted that argument is, when making exactly the same argument about race would rightly be considered offensive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/24 12:14 AM
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Good god, you can’t win with these people. If men protect women then it’s benevolent sexism, but if men DON’T protect women then it’s hostile sexism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/24 01:56 PM
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I honestly have more respect for the latter kind of sub than the former, despite hating both. People open about their bigotry are disgusting enough, but the wolves in sheep’s clothing who claim to value equality but throw tantrums every time someone other than them needs help too are another level of disgusting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/23 11:25 PM
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Not just feminists; tradcons feel the same way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/23 09:39 PM
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It’s honestly fascinating and a little unsettling how quickly mainstream feminism has shifted rightwards on this issue in recent years. Granted, this was always a part of the movement, but five years ago it was a somewhat hidden part that mostly came out only if you gave specific examples of feminists not being kind towards male emotion. Nowadays it literally seems to be at the forefront of the discussion on male issues, to the point that the part that used to be the face of it - “men should tot…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/23 10:40 PM
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Yeah, I largely agree. In my opinion the appropriate response to both should be “it makes sense that you feel that way, but the ideal circumstance should be that you overcome your fear in favor of healthy caution.” However, the default feminist response to fear of men is “any and all of it is justified,” whereas the default response to fear of women is “none of it is justified.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/23 08:44 PM
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I remember a pretty good post on this subreddit around a year or two ago deconstructing her questionable views of black men. Edit: Found it!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/23 01:26 AM
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I don’t know or care how rare or common they are. What I do know is that the former information is irrelevant to whether or not human rights should be recognized. Due process is a fundamental right regardless of how statistically likely it is that the accuser vs. the accused is in the right. I don’t even engage in arguments about the frequency of false accusations, as I view that as totally irrelevant to the issue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/23 01:42 AM
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Exactly, and if class issues ever contradict their liberalism, the latter always takes priority.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/23 07:45 PM
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Definitely. The key difference is that the right is honest about it, whereas the left pretends to be opposed to gender roles while really just wrapping the same thing up in nicer packaging.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/23 05:50 PM
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There are actually a surprising amount of people who fit that description in my experience, particularly among lower socioeconomic classes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/23 01:24 PM
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It’s extremely disturbing to hear progressive-identifying people promoting such a blatantly and objectively reactionary position.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/23 12:51 PM
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Men are allowed to express anger towards other men, particularly in settings where only other men are present. However, that’s about the limit of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/23 04:11 PM
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Shamed, no. I have had men kind of back away from knowing me and talk to me less after I displayed vulnerability, but have never outright faced hostility from men. The worst and least supportive reactions I’ve faced for showing vulnerability have been from women, though conversely the best and most empathetic reactions I’ve faced have also been from women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/23 02:48 PM
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Scihub usually works for things like this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/23 02:44 PM
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Not to mention economic factors. Parenting is growing more expensive, making it less desirable to a large amount of people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/23 11:43 PM
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Just look at the Depp-Heard trial to see how much they hold true to the “men should fight back” claim. Even when Johnny didn’t fight back, him reacting at all was seen as abusive by a lot of those people. (Granted, a lot of people did acknowledge the hypocrisy as well, but those were mostly the people who were starting to distance themselves from the mainstream narrative.)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/23 04:45 PM
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The sexual conquest thing in particular is a double standard so blatant that it amazes me how many people don’t seem to have any cognitive dissonance around it. I see the “woke” neolib-types strongly supporting and even celebrating women being open about discussing their sexual experiences in detail, while interpreting men describing sexuality in a fraction of that detail as exhibiting toxic masculinity. It can debated what degrees of sexual openness are or aren’t appropriate, but at the very le…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/23 06:59 PM
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Not really. Trade jobs are generally pretty close in salary to white collar jobs. It’s fair and even honorable to point out that there are alternate pathways to college, but the frequently-cited assertion that the trades are extremely lucrative generally isn’t backed up by data.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/23 09:21 PM
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Even when I was more trusting towards neolib feminist ideology, I always found that talking point shocking and callous.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/23 06:08 PM
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Oops, I don’t know how I made the mistake! Fixed now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/23 04:48 PM
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Most of those people aren’t far leftists at all. In my experience they tend to be economically far more right wing than they’d care to admit, with those sorts of meaningless and petty identity politics largely being poor attempts to appear progressive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/23 08:25 PM
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I 100% agree with your observations. The correlation between the ways autistic people tend to talk about their special interests and the speech patterns which are frequently denounced as mansplaining/dominating is not lost on me either.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/23 03:32 PM
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That particular kind of feminist is far more of a gender traditionalist than he/she/they would prefer to admit. These people want men who they can rely on to protect them and to behave in ways that make them comfortable. It frustrates them that autistic men tend to be less adept at behaving in ways that don’t make others uncomfortable, despite their behaviors generally being benign. Not to mention that especially in the 2010s, the “woke” side of the culture wars tended to want men to be very con…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/23 03:18 AM
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Seriously, religious rights mean you live YOUR OWN life based on whichever religious values you wish to. It does NOT mean you can irreversibly change OTHERS’ lives based on those values.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/23 03:54 PM
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That’s definitely true, but at least idiots like AT don’t pretend to be advocates of equality. Anyone who insists on archaic gender roles is stupid at beast and malicious at worst, but there’s another dimension to the frustration when it’s people insisting they’re above such mindsets.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/23 08:40 PM
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It’s not great for asexual men either, given how often pop-lib-feminism uses virginity as an insult.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/23 05:39 PM
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The main issue is the hypocrisy. A lot of the people using those physical characteristics as insults are the first to claim that overweight women should not be shamed for their life choices.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/23 04:58 PM
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Yeah, I think that was a major turning point in societal acceptance of men’s issues (as well as media skepticism in general).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/23 03:00 PM
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Yeah, it seems like the less productive culture war content of the 2010s in general is fading away. Kind of inevitable given how many more pressing problems the world is starting to experience, but it’s kind of nice to see people more focused on what’s important.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/22 01:38 AM
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No need to apologize. You’re not connected to these people based solely on what sex you are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/22 03:47 PM
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As someone who is on the autism spectrum and struggles to understand others’ implicit feelings, this has always been something about the popular feminist mindset that has made me deeply uneasy. A lot of these people expect men to intuit their desires, and denounce men as creepy when they need help doing so. Something which hurts men in general, but especially neurodivergent and socially awkward men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/22 04:11 PM
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There are two conclusions that can be drawn from this: 1) men should be forced to risk their lives to help others, whereas women should not be. 2) women presumably aren’t counted as full citizens. This is both misandrist and misogynistic, though obviously men are the ones directly hurt by this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/22 12:17 PM
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Yep, it also reminds me of "former atheists" on religious sites/accounts that quite obviously know nothing about atheism and have clearly never had any connection to it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/22 03:40 AM
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I don’t think feminism is necessarily changing, at least not its academic side. I do think that as a movement it’s losing a lot of influence, however. As of lately I’ve honestly been hearing a lot less of the “woke” side of the left in general. I suppose mass inflation and the erosion of civil rights are kind of making it harder to fixate on calling out microagressions and digging up offensive tweets. People are quickly moving from liberalism to leftism. I certainly like that trend, though I don…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/22 10:45 PM
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TERFs are a fascinating amalgamation of the very worst sides of both liberals and conservatives. They love the toxic gender roles promoted by the right and the most extreme forms of postmodernist anti-equality gibberish promoted by neolibs. While I agree that they shouldn't be censored (because censorship is regressive and anti-intellectual), t's depressing how many people think Rowling et. al are brave warriors making powerful statements for justice, when all they're actually doing is discrimin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/22 03:17 PM
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It’s so frustrating to see intersectionals refuse to acknowledge that TERF views stem from anti-male stereotypes, even when many TERFs explicitly admit this. This makes it obvious to me that maintaining their agenda is a higher priority to them than actually helping trans people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/22 11:52 PM
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I wouldn’t say they are exactly losing support and influence, but they’ve definitely had to soften themselves significantly relative to what they used to be. Outside of a few fringe online communities you see much less of the overt “kill all men” style misandry than you used to. Even phrases like “toxic masculinity” don’t seem as widespread as they were five years ago, and I’ve seen moderate feminists slowly but surely start to go best acknowledging this men might face more issues than just not …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/22 10:24 AM
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I have a lot to say on this subject, much of which has already been said by others here. I might go back and add more later, but to me the key thing that many feminists struggle to understand is that “How dare women not be attracted to me!” and “I wish women were attracted to me” are wildly different statements. Yet over and over again I see people treat the latter as if it were the former. I honestly think this overlaps with the double bind placed on men regarding whether talking about your fee…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/22 06:55 PM
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It’s astounding to me that people actually interpret these objectively reactionary laws as progressive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/22 12:49 PM
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Bingo. Much as I’m frustrated by gender traditionalists, they’re at least honest about what they want. They openly state that they dislike men showing their weaknesses, so it’s easy to avoid showing your weaknesses in their presence. I had several experiences with self-proclaimed feminists who freely spread the “men should be allowed to open up too” message only to either turn their backs on me or accuse me of being entitled and insensitive when I discussed my deeper insecurities (none of which …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/22 10:33 PM
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I’ve watched a bit of the Young Turks. They occasionally make good points but never seemed to be great at critical thinking. Anna generally strikes me as more reasonable than Cenk.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/22 01:06 PM
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It’s less pressing than circumcision but is still wrong. I find it interesting that the practice is allegedly so normalized; I knew very few people who had pierced ears prior to the age of 10-11, and having pierced ears before them were seen as quite spoiled among the kids I knew in school.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/22 11:36 PM
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Don’t forget “men are pigs who will literally fuck anything that moves, but also they have horrifically impossible beauty standards that must be met before they’ll even look at a woman!”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/22 01:17 PM
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Socially I would say he is right wing. He is a supporter of traditional gender roles and a return to religion-based morality. Economically he certainly seems right of center to me as well. He’s not far right or anything but I would say he leans more conservative than liberal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/22 10:28 PM
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I really like this take. I've never thought of it that way but it really gives some interesting context to these trends.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/22 09:41 PM
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I honestly think this is a watershed moment for the intentions of mainstream feminism. For the last decade or so, feminists have routinely argued that they oppose the gender roles which suggest that men cannot be victims of domestic violence. Many of us have long recognized the institutions that disprove this claim (regarding the establishment; I understand that many individual feminists do indeed care about male victims). However, a story this prominent which involves faces everyone knows and v…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/22 09:37 PM
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Feels good that all these years of debate and anger over this particular case have finally amounted to something.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/22 04:12 PM
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Different for different people. My personal opinion is that casual sex on a regular basis isn’t ideal for the majority of people regardless of gender, but everyone is unique and it works for some.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/22 04:11 PM
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Yep, it’s a shame. TiA was never a great sub and always had its fair share of toxicity, but it used to be a fun way of laughing at the worst extremes of social justice slacktivism. Nowadays it’s filled with TERFs. Ironically, after years of anecdotal evidence leading me to believe the feminist interpretations of statistics weren’t reliable, TiA was one of the first subs to actually point me to concrete proof of that around three years ago. Nowadays that sub parrots the worst of the very talking …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/22 02:26 PM
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It honestly feels like the words "left" and "right" have lost meaning. It's crazy how different the two groups' areas of focus are relative to twenty years ago.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/22 09:44 PM
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I've seen TERFs and similar types insist it's just a matter of semantics and that actually female sex offenders don't face any less punishment than male ones. Not surprised to learn that's false.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/22 09:42 PM
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Various factors. I'm sure the drug abuse/drinking plays a role. I'd imagine the differences in gender roles would play a role as well; a substantial portion of women who aren't capable of earning a living wage would likely be able to find a partner to support them, whereas a much smaller amount of men would be able to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/22 02:54 AM
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Meh. I don’t trust Elon Musk any more than I trusted the previous owners of Twitter. I still find Twitter practically useless in terms of actually getting information regardless of who owns it. The people treating it like the fabric of the universe will unravel or be restored because of how Twitter works are amusing to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/22 08:07 PM
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It’s incredible that we need professionals to explain that joking about committing genocide against a group might be bad for that group’s mental health.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/22 07:52 PM
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See also the outrage about trans women not being able to leave Ukraine. A lot of the typical (and not unreasonable) "trans women need to be treated like women" arguments, but next to no reflection about whether or not men and women should be treated differently in the first place.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 09:54 PM
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That sub too? What a shame. A lot of previously decent subs have gotten increasingly toxic. It’s kind of weird how unrecognizable Reddit in general is compared to two or three years ago.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/22 08:10 PM
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I’m in my last semester of undergraduate college and am currently taking a class centering around counseling. It really emphasizes the importance of therapists taking privilege and oppression into account. That honestly alarms me a great deal; even assuming those theories were 100% true, I can’t imagine how they could possibly do anything but harm in a therapeutic setting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/22 08:19 PM
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While I think the term toxic masculinity has come to the point of being too loosely defined and potentially hurtful to be ideal to use, I certainly acknowledge it can be, and has been, used with good intention. But I cannot for the life of me understand how a progressive can in good faith use the term fragile masculinity. It's dependent at its core to the notion that men need to be strong and stoic, and breaking that trope makes you a bad man. It simply isn't a term that's compatible with the pe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/22 08:03 PM
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To an extent, but TERF arguments draw very heavily on the assumption that men are by default perverts and criminals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/22 01:53 PM
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Get your gender essentialism out of here please.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 04:38 PM
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Totally agree! This is one of the few subreddits left that hasn’t fallen to some form of extremism or another.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/22 01:36 PM
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It definitely gets frustrating. Having said that, 90% of r/OffMyChest and r/TrueOffMyChest posts are fake and are more a way to further various political agents and/or get attention than actual reflections of reality. I learned awhile ago that it’s better not to let Reddit, particularly subreddits like those, bring you down too much.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/22 01:34 PM
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I think it’s a good idea in theory. It’s true that a lot of aspects of one’s identity influence how one is treated in society. However, I think that its application is pretty lousy. More often than not it leads to oversimplified discussions that amount to little more than “trait x = oppressed, trait y = oppressed, x + y = double the oppression”. In my mind there’s far more nuance than that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/22 01:22 AM
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Excellent comment; it honestly feels like you’re describing my life!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/22 10:35 PM
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Thetinman is critical of feminist theory when it’s warranted, but doesn’t assume anyone is badly-intentioned just because of what labels they identify with. I’d venture this approach changes far more minds than simply attacking and shunning everyone who identifies in a way you dislike.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/22 12:28 AM
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Moreover, the suggestion that women for most of history haven’t worked is flat out false. Sure, they often did different jobs from men, but for most of recorded history, nearly everyone outside of the highest classes - men, women, and children - had to work or else the family would starve to death. The idea of single-income households is a comparatively modern idea, at least as a widespread trend.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/22 01:12 AM
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It never ceases to amaze me that these people, who claim that assuming men are sex-obsessed is harmful toxic masculinity, are the same people who think that a man saying a single word to a woman means he wants sex.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/22 01:10 AM
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I know what you mean. Though I've noticed this for awhile, the true "mask off" moment where it seemed like these people stopped trying to pretend they wanted to subvert male gender roles was the Sarah Everard case. Suddenly you got article after article from feminist sources about the importance of men sacrificing their security for the sake of protecting women, not really even worded differently than something I'd expect from, say, FOX News.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/22 03:52 AM
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Somehow I'm only just seeing this. Excellent post, one of the best and most constructive I've ever seen on this sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/22 05:16 AM
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In some circumstances yes, in some circumstances no. In my opinion gender relations are too complicated to justify ascribing overarching privilege to one gender.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/22 05:12 AM
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That sounds about right.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 03:30 PM
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Economically I skirt between socdem and liberal/centrist. Socially I consider myself liberal, though the form of liberalism I support often seems incompatible with the aggressive version that seems to have gone mainstream in the last five years.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 11:38 PM
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It’s fascinating seeing the cognitive dissonance in the last link you sent. It’s obvious that this person knows that men in general are decent people, yet she still can’t quite let go of the “men need to learn to be better” mindset. I suspect she’ll keep growing over time because she’s clearly making an effort to, but at present you can tell she has a lot of conflicting ideas.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/21 10:33 PM
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Seriously, it's crazy that so many people see cutting as the default. Almost as if leaving the body as nature designed it is the radical choice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/21 03:48 AM
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I hate when people like this use plural words to refer to singular events in order to overemphasize injustices. Also, I learned of the latter things from feminist friends complaining about them, not by reading outrage posts. Seeing that sort of thing firsthand is what led me to question whether all feminists are well-intentioned.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen09/12/21 03:41 AM
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As discussed in this post, it almost certainly is given that the survey purposely selected exclusively victims.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/21 05:02 AM
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If women and men are equal then you should get the same consequences for physical violence against either. That’s already been the minimum in the law since forever. The difference is, hurting a woman socially and usually legally gets you in much more trouble than hurting a man, even if the injuries are similar and even if the violence is in self-defense. If you’re so adamant against losing that privilege of extra protection regardless of your own choices, you don’t support equality.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen28/11/21 06:40 PM
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It’s hilarious how these types go on and on about the importance of financial independence and autonomy, but once someone they dislike makes the same arguments suddenly there’s this deep rooted conspiracy proving they’re evil for making them.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen28/11/21 06:36 PM
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I can’t say I agree with you at all. If anything circumcision in particular seems to be the men’s issue where opinion is shifting the fastest.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/11/21 05:44 PM
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Don't worry, I'd say most of us have been banned from offmychest by now. It's long been mostly a circlejerk sub anyway.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/21 02:30 AM
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I think some of those statements are well intentioned, but they usually fall flat in my experience for a few reasons: They often replace one restrictive gender role for another. “Men CAN cry” is something any reasonable person can get behind, “Men SHOULD cry” less so. It seems like the line between the two is often troublingly blurred. To borrow the foundation of a popular feminist statement, they have a tendency to make the political personal. I agree that male gender roles are overly restricti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/21 07:45 PM
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Yeah, MensLib isn’t perfect but I’d say it’s noticeably improved as of lately.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/21 09:06 PM
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I think that’s definitely true. Five years ago, it was still pretty common to openly believe that men don’t face any gendered issues. Nowadays even those who are generally opponents to fighting men’s issues concede that many of those issues are legitimate. The tide is definitely turning somewhat.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/21 07:43 PM
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It always struck me as unbelievable that a movement claiming to empower women so routinely refuses to grant women any agency in making choices the movement disagrees with.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen12/11/21 06:34 PM
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Yeah, Karen has definitely moved further to the right (and away from objectivity) than where she was five years ago, but Brian is by far the most right-wing of the bunch.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/21 03:43 AM
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Even putting aside the whole hypocrisy given that the same argument is viewed as misogynistic when applied to women, it doesn't taken into account the fact that it's possible for men to have sex without consenting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/21 05:48 PM
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Your journey almost perfectly mirrors the one I had a few years ago. I always saw myself as left wing but was also very uncomfortable with that aspect of the mainstream left, particularly regarding men. It was so relieving to find this place.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/21 03:50 PM
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For sure, they definitely exist. Just not on a systemic level IMO.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/21 05:39 PM
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One thing that always struck me was how radically different various generations of the left view sexuality. I know liberals who grew up in the 80s who still say that hippies were a misogynistic subculture for glorifying female promiscuity, while people who grew up this century sometimes argue that they didn’t support female promiscuity enough. I’ve also been struck by just how readily a lot of the supposedly sex-positive crowd latches onto sex negativity when it’s convenient. I preface this by s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/21 05:19 PM
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Wow, and I still remember when it was in the 700s.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/21 01:32 PM
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Single, by choice. I like having the freedom of being the sole person guiding my own life and don't desire a relationship strongly enough to sacrifice that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/21 08:30 PM
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That statement always drove me crazy. Though we have issues accepting bodily autonomy in general, most people are quite clearly less perturbed by violations of men's bodily autonomy than women's.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/21 05:28 AM
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As a side note it's maddening when some women will tell you you can talk to them about anything, but will either chide you for being inconsiderate or start steering clear of you if you talk about the most basic insecurity. Nowhere near all or most women do this, but enough have done this to me that I don't think it's uncommon.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/21 05:20 PM
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The dichotomy between this and "men don't talk about their feelings enough" always confused me. Granted, not all men nor all women are identical to each other, so it's possible that individuals have different experiences. But it seems like a lot of feminist-minded individuals somehow think that men as a collective refusing to open up, including to partners, and men as a collective engaging in emotional dumping are somehow both the status quo. The two concepts clearly can't exist simultaneously.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/21 05:01 PM
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Historically freedom of speech was a liberal value. Only in the last few decades has it become associated with conservatives.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/21 01:58 AM
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It's also always bothered me as a mildly autistic man. The traits people see as creepy tend to be very strongly correlated with traits common in individuals with autism. Of course most feminists (and others for that matter) refuse to acknowledge that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/21 01:33 AM
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Just in general, the fact that traditional values are overly restrictive and demand a lot of unreasonable things out of men. I don't necessarily believe you have to be far to the left to support men, but I think you do have to be left of center enough to question whether what's supposedly worked before actually works well enough. Workers' rights as you've mentioned is perhaps the singular issue in which this fact is most blatant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/21 01:27 AM
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I've always struggled to even conceive of what kind of man would actually enjoy reading Mel magazine. From what I've seen, it regularly harps on about how men as a collective are bad. Hard for me to even imagine choosing to read it for reasons other than to critique it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/21 03:58 PM
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Very good comment. I personally would never use a sex doll myself, but I very much hold a "live and let live" philosophy. If some men use them and it doesn't affect anyone else, why should I care? The cries that they will cause men to view women as objects strike me as conspiratorial moral panic akin to the "video games cause violence" and "Harry Potter makes kids worship Satan" type BS.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/21 06:02 AM
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In this day and age when a lot of work and other non-free-time activities are online, I don’t think even working backwards in that way makes much sense.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen13/10/21 06:30 AM
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Certainly true, but it would help them as members of the working class, it wouldn't do anything to address racism. I don’t 100% agree. I don’t think it would entirely solve racism, like, at all, but I do feel like a lot of racists are fueled by images of black people in poverty who sometimes must go against the law to survive. I think a lot of racist views would end if society gave black people more access to resources. Again, not ALL racism, but I’m not convinced you’re right that it wouldn’t d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/21 02:20 PM
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As someone who's also autistic, this is a very interesting theory.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/21 07:50 PM
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I don’t think either sex is oppressed in the western world, but I do believe that both sexes’ issues are generally close to equivalent, and in this day and age men are probably worse off than women IMO. You’re entitled to your opinion, but it isn’t an objective fact so it isn’t reasonable to expect everyone to agree with it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 11:10 PM
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I never outright identified as a feminist, but I really did try to sympathize with them. I always was frustrated by their inability to call out their more hateful members but still believed for awhile that those were just a few bad apples who shouldn’t be viewed as anywhere near representative of the movement. I sort of convinced myself that TrollX and the like were just not real feminists. I kind of hoped for MensLib to be an example of good feminists and went there a lot a couple years ago, bu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 11:07 PM
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I always thought the term “pick me” was counterintuitive to the values feminists claim to believe in. They supposedly value women’s autonomy as well as their sexuality, but if women want men to be attracted to them that’s somehow internalized misogyny? It always just kind of struck me as a refurbished form of slut shaming.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 11:00 PM
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I don’t know if that reflects “society” as much as it does the media, though I do see your point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/21 11:44 PM
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Wh…? Somehow it’s oppressive towards women to teach them to protect themselves against sexual abuse but not to teach men the same? How the hell does teaching girls to defend themselves against predators encourage predatory behavior? And how does NOT teaching boys the same protect them from predatory behavior? I honestly am not sure what that picture is trying to say. I mean I get what the words mean, but they don’t connect into a comprehensible statement.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen30/09/21 07:59 PM
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OP never said racism against white people is nonexistent, but it's quite obviously nowhere near the same scale as racism against minorities (in contrast to sexism, which is less skewed in either direction).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/21 03:36 AM
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Reddit had that side to it from the beginning, but particularly since the pandemic started it feels like the more sensible and thoughtful corners of Reddit have increasingly been absorbed by the more hostile, social media-esque toxicity. I have no idea why that is but it seems to be what’s happened in my experience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/21 09:36 PM
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Yep. Anyone who genuinely believes any major corporation truly cares about the interests of anyone other than itself is very naive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/21 12:12 AM
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Plenty of women on the left are critical of feminism. The Prim Reaper is a good example.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/21 05:11 PM
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Meanwhile, if you politely criticize the concept here the worst that you'll get is downvotes. Tells you something about our ability to deal with differing beliefs compared to MensLib.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/21 02:39 AM
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I don't like these kinds of narratives TBH. Both sexes have advantages and disadvantages, and while I think it's important to talk about issues and insecurities, pretending any side's life is a walk in the park is neither accurate nor productive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/21 02:38 AM
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Very interesting write up. Though I never was quite as invested in social justice ideologies as you were, I too used to be way too defensive of them and had to teach myself that it was okay to critique them as much as I saw fit. I find your story quite relatable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/21 12:32 PM
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I'm an egalitarian first and foremost. I don't go around calling myself an MRA all the time simply because I think defining yourself by labels tends to be overly reductive and is more likely to draw people away than actually encourage them to help fight your cause. I too used to frequent MensLib a couple years ago. I always was bothered by how often it put perpetuating feminist theory above actually helping men, but I assumed it was the lesser evil of the men's groups because I too had heard neg…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/21 02:56 AM
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Here’s my response in LWMA, which I’ll repeat here: I mean, yeah, you can argue that discrimination against men is tied up with discrimination against women. Gender roles generally don’t exist outside of the context of opposite gender roles. But statements like that one are predicated on the idea that the way gender roles affect women is the default, with the way gender roles affect men being nothing more than a biproduct. First off, that mindset is ironically enforcing the very gender roles the…
/r/MensRights20/09/21 01:44 PM
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I mean, yeah, you can argue that discrimination against men is tied up with discrimination against women. Gender roles generally don’t exist outside of the context of opposite gender roles. But statements like that one are predicated on the idea that the way gender roles affect women is the default, with the way gender roles affect men being nothing more than a biproduct. First off, that mindset is ironically enforcing the very gender roles these people claim to oppose; it’s essentially reiterat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/21 01:18 PM
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It's so frustrating seeing so many genuinely well-intentioned people who have been taught that it is wrong to seek out information beyond what their cult tell them is acceptable. These people are almost coming to the realization that their worldview has done harmful things, but they can't get beyond the idea that their views are inherently right and will do all they can to handwave away the disingenuous members of their movement as not really being part of their movement, even if they are far mo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/21 11:50 PM
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Men emotionally unfulfilled, women most affected
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/21 09:50 PM
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Nothing too serious, though I’ve definitely had comments from women that would be viewed as sexual harassment by many if the sexes were reversed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/21 09:49 PM
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Depends what you mean by intersectionality. In theory I think it’s a good idea to consider how various aspects of one’s identity together influence how one is treated. However, in practice intersectionality is often simplified into “characteristic x + characteristic y + characteristic z = more oppressed”. I don’t think that kind of narrative is helpful or realistic regardless of which identites are used.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/21 12:32 AM
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I think there is such a thing as internalized misogyny, but the phrase has been overused and misused to the point of losing any utility it may have once had. As such, I agree a gender-swapped version would also have less-than-helpful connotations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/21 03:35 PM
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Domestic violence and rape are the obvious ones. A lot of data suggests that both sexes experience them at similar rates, and even the more feminist-friendly statistics suggest that men experience them at much higher rates than existing services would suggest.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/21 09:29 PM
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I used to like Shoe a lot, but increasingly I've noticed she tends to just go along with whatever everyone else is saying. She can be funny but I can't say she's likely to make any huge difference in terms of social issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/21 09:24 PM
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Saved. What an excellent comment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/21 03:49 PM
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It’s maddening that people with the supposed goal of helping others would start on such a dehumanizing premise. Even if it were 100% true, how the hell will it help mentally ill men to tell them they have it easy?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/21 02:02 AM
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I think MensLib users are mixed. There are some who argue in bad faith and others that are perfectly reasonable. By contrast, the mods are pretty much entirely ideologists who are more concerned about keeping their views safe than actually helping anyone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/21 08:25 PM
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Even putting aside the issues with the ideology, there’s a definite double standard that exists in some people’s minds that it’s okay for women to have imperfections whereas men who don’t already have the perfect mindset deserve to be shunned and disliked.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/21 04:52 AM
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That argument always made me roll my eyes simply because society has routinely been shown to value men’s reproductive rights and general bodily autonomy less than women’s. I don’t understand where the idea that there’s widespread support for men’s autonomy comes from.
/r/MensRights03/09/21 04:08 PM
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Of course, conservatives have their own equivalent, namely the justification of stereotypes of black people as well as issues of poverty, drugs, etc. in black communities by claiming that black people are putting it on themselves. The fact that pretty much all mainstream leftists are able to recognize the issues with that framework only makes it more maddening to me that they’re so happy to adapt it themselves in other contexts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/21 10:30 PM
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Ah yes, I remember that. The PMC guy posted an entire rant-filled video denouncing her, right? That was not a good introduction into this subreddit for her…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/21 04:50 PM
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As another has pointed out they are completely against marriage. They also go one step further than most MRAs and claim not only that women aren’t oppressed, but that everywhere (including third word countries) oppresses men and gives women pretty much all the privilege. They’re super anti-capitalist and pro-Marxist, not just in specific scenarios but in general. They think that identifying as either a conservative or a feminist inherently makes you hateful and not worth trying to reason with. U…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/21 04:49 PM
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I agree that criticism of feminism is often warranted, but in my experience r/MensRights often makes it a higher priority than actually helping men, as opposed to being first and foremost a tool to help men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/21 03:38 PM
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lol what? I honestly wonder how many of these people have ever actually had a conversation with a man about his upbringing and identity. Hurting women is pretty much taught as the anthesis of masculinity.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen24/08/21 09:55 PM
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Circumcision for me, if only because it’s just plain black-and-white, clear-cut against modern morality yet is still super prevalent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/21 05:08 PM
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Five to eight years ago I’d agree. However, these days she seems much more right wing than she used to be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/21 02:16 PM
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Thank you. As someone on the autism spectrum this resonates with me a lot. I’ve fortunately been able to be in a much better place over these last two years, but for most of my life I felt like such an outcast who was given very little sympathy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/21 01:33 PM
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These people do realize that for the vast majority of history men didn’t have the right to vote either, right?
/r/FeminismStopsWhen04/08/21 07:34 PM
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I’d usually shrug that kind of comment off, but coming from a group of people that routinely denies the existence of any kind to false accusations the other way around, that infuriates me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/21 06:13 AM
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Neutral. I support the idea of the sub and have seen some good analysis there, but ultimately there’s too much low-effort content and too many traditionalists whose views are unhelpful to either sex’s liberation for me to go as far as supporting the sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/21 01:13 PM
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Not really. Women were oppressed to an extent (as were men), but to blame “men” as a population is highly misleading. Only a few people had the power to significantly affect most peoples’ lives, and those people were generally men; but men as a population didn’t have much if any control of the status quo. There’s also the important but often overlooked fact that prior to industrialization, life was a lot more difficult than it is now. Mortality rates were extremely high, and you could forget abo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/21 02:03 PM
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I would agree with this statement. I see plenty in the movement who already recognize racial issues, though I've also seen some who don't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/21 04:34 AM
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Yes, as an autistic man I've always found this to be the case. Left wing spaces are as bad as conservative ones in terms of how they treat autistic men. Both see us as threats due to our reluctance to conform to social norms. If you have any agenda (be it conservative or progressive) autistic people tend to be less prone to ignoring hypocrisy and falsehoods than many others are. Moreover, the variety of leftist woman that expects men to cater to her every need is threatened by the idea of a man …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/21 04:32 AM
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The response by some of them in mental health spaces is what bothers me the most. Like, even if the whole patriarchy narrative was 100% true, that’s an asinine thing to bring up to a man who’s at an emotional low point. You’re essentially telling him “you’re failing even though everything is rigged in your favor” and “you only struggle relative to others because of how much people love you and hate the other people”. That’s a disgusting thing to tell someone who’s already struggling!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/21 06:11 PM
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That’s just a derailing tactic anyway. Even if that were true (which there’s little evidence for; it’s simply an assumption made due to a lack of evidence for any reliable statistic), that wouldn’t negate the importance of due process. Whether or not someone deserves justice is not dependent on how many people like that someone there are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/21 04:11 AM
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Reminds me very much of how a European settler might talk about native Americans or Africans. "See, they may be crude and barbaric now, but if we civilize them into our superior image they'll learn to be decent people!" Hardly male-friendly.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/21 10:44 PM
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I mean, in general yeah. But this is a joke about other people committing suicide. In my opinion that’s pretty fucked up.
/r/MensRights12/06/21 01:23 PM
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lol, not all women do this obviously. But I’ve known plenty who do. Pretty much whenever this happens all the men just look at each other blankly and/or shake their heads in bemusement.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen03/06/21 05:06 PM
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So only women can be raped, mastered, penetrated, etc.? A bit gender essentialist and heteronormative no?
/r/FeminismStopsWhen02/06/21 10:43 PM
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Not only is it false that women are significantly less abusive than men, they also are less represented in the poorest classes of people and have more resources at their disposal than men. So that post is untrue in many ways.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen31/05/21 08:07 PM
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Lol, I’m genuinely curious. Who exactly has said that hanging out with abusive rapey men is “not their business”? Everyone I’ve ever met in person and online has advised men against doing that and very much plays up the “guilt by association” thing. Liberals, conservatives, feminists, MRAs, egalitarians... the notion that rapey men should be avoided at all costs seems to be one of the very, very few things they fully agree on. Like, who the fuck is this even aimed at?
/r/FeminismStopsWhen27/05/21 07:43 PM
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For one thing, there are far fewer rapists than there are rape victims. Most rapists rape multiple people. For another, rapists tend to spend time primarily with other disturbing people, not with normal people. Finally, most rapists are uncaring, not stupid. They know that if they talk about their actions they’ll get their asses kicked.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/21 12:23 AM
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I’ve said it before and I’ve said again. “Feminist” means different things for different people. If it’s someone who just sees it as meaning equality in the literal sense, I’d be fine with it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/21 12:21 AM
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I’m a vegetarian (not a vegan granted) and I’m in very good health. If you want to eat meat, eat meat. But don’t pretend it’s mandatory for survival.
/r/MensRights15/05/21 11:45 AM
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No, I think they’re saying you’re sexist for taking a circumstance of a super rich, powerful man getting away with bad behavior and using it to imply men as a group get away with bad behavior. For the record I absolutely agree with you regarding Trump and his comment.
/r/MensRights15/05/21 11:44 AM
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Circumcision (of minors). Services for abused men. Due process in rape cases.
/r/MensRights15/05/21 11:38 AM
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I’m legitimately confused. Like, what are they referring to? Who exactly are they saying wants all men to exploit women? This isn’t a rhetorical question or mockery or anything, I’m genuinely trying to figure out what exactly they’re trying to talk about.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen13/05/21 10:07 PM
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Apex fallacy at work. Without it this movement would have died out decades ago.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen10/05/21 04:05 PM
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Sooooo close to self aware
/r/FeminismStopsWhen10/05/21 04:18 AM
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The only people I’ve ever heard say men can’t help it are TERFs and other super radical feminists. Never in my life have I heard anyone else say that, yet for whatever reason some feminists seem convinced it’s a statement devised by anti feminists.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen09/05/21 08:55 PM
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Good god, some of these people seem to think we (or at least women) should do away with basic human decency. Being polite in public is just part of being an adult. And the ironic thing is, I guarantee you that if a man wasn’t polite in public these people would drone on and on about male entitlement.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen06/05/21 04:44 PM
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TIL "feminist" is a gender and/or "man" is an ideology :/
/r/FeminismStopsWhen05/05/21 07:25 PM
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Yep. Antifeminists and the two pussypass subs are in my experience highly misogynistic at worst and overly traditionalist at best. I’m no longer subscribed to any of them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/21 03:31 PM
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I’ve known far more girls who cover up each other’s actions that guys. I’ve known girls who outright admit it, who say that part of being loyal to friends means not letting their dark secrets get out. Guys are I guess less “loyal” in general using that logic but my experience is they’re far less willing as a rule to let truly messed up shit slide.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen23/04/21 09:38 PM
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Lol what? Doesn’t the whole guy code kind of revolve around not doing things like cheating or betraying women? Are these people literally just making stuff up because they’d rather fill in the blanks of their narrative than... well, talk to anyone?
/r/FeminismStopsWhen23/04/21 09:37 PM
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Men and women can definitely be friends, but it’s perfectly natural for one party to sometimes develop feelings for the other. I HATE when feminists like this one delegitimize male sexuality and act like any instance of a man developing feelings for a woman means it’s because he’s been socialized badly and he sees her as an object. Like, sometimes (not always) someone has a crush on another person who doesn’t reciprocate. As long as no one is mean or forceful there’s nothing wrong with that.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen21/04/21 09:13 PM
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I mean there's significant overlap between fascists and MRA's An example being...?
/r/MensRights21/04/21 08:21 PM
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I don’t think that’s inherently bad. However, I do think it really calls into question the whole patriarchy narrative. Whenever feminists talk about all the evil things boys are supposedly socialized into, it’s hard not to ask who exactly is doing the socializing.
/r/MensRights21/04/21 08:19 PM
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Personally I don’t even watch porn, but like... isn’t the point supposed to be to turn you on? These people seem to think it should start including more awkwardness and more of the less arousing moments. That literally defeats the purpose doesn’t it?
/r/FeminismStopsWhen17/04/21 04:52 PM
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Not even necessities in many cases. These people act like they have to buy expensive makeup and hair products when really almost no one but them cares too strongly about how they look.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen14/04/21 09:49 PM
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Lol, female health issues are OVERLY represented in research, not the reverse.
/r/MensRights13/04/21 07:31 PM
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I didn't include sources because they're easy to find and I figured people would be less likely to read a comment filled with wordy links. Here are some of them, though: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/en/pub/85-002-x/2016001/article/14303-eng.pdf?st=ql-8Mk_2 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222426549_Women_Who_Perpetrate_Intimate_Partner_Violence_A_Review_of_the_Literature_With_Recommendations_for_Treatment https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/ https://www.theguardian.co…
/r/FeminismStopsWhen10/04/21 01:55 AM
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It doesn’t “barely ever happen”. A lot of research suggests that women instigate violence towards their partners about equally to the reverse. Even the statistics that don’t support that suggest that women are the primary perpetrators around 1/3-1/4 of the time.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen09/04/21 03:30 PM
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Doesn’t surprise me. One interesting thing I notice about mainstream feminists is, they spend time almost entirely in spaces where you’re expected to agree with them. They make a point of not exposing themselves to people with different viewpoints. They largely want those people cancelled. Yet, for whatever reason, I’ve noticed they overwhelmingly perceive MRAs and anti feminists as the ones unfamiliar with opposing viewpoints. So I’m guessing these people expected that a space where alternate p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/21 10:10 PM
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God, I honestly wonder sometimes what society these people live in. Like, around me, most people start panicking if they hear a woman was raped.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen08/04/21 04:35 PM
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Interesting. Out of curiosity when did you go to school? Just wondering because it seems increasingly difficult to find voices like that in the polarized world we live in today
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/21 01:20 PM
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Like it or not, hormones are scientifically proven to play a part in depression. If that wasn’t the case, antidepressants wouldn’t work. Circumstances certainly can play a role, but different people have different thresholds for what trigger depression and this is based on hormones. I’ve been told this by doctors and college professors of both sexes. Maybe this person would be better off putting expertise above ideology.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen31/03/21 01:17 PM
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Good god, what is these people’s problem? Trying to falsify theories and results is literally one of the pivots of the scientific method.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen31/03/21 01:08 PM
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I’ve heard men make jokes about men and boys being raped. Prison rape jokes, catholic priest rape jokes, schoolteacher rape jokes. I don’t recall a single time in my life when I heard a man make a joke about women being raped, however.
/r/MensRights28/03/21 02:12 AM
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What do these people want us to do anyway? Like, do they think we have some telepathic connection to the men who do bad things along with the power to obliterate them on site? I honestly am baffled as to how exactly people like these think men are supposed to end other men’s bad behaviors. If I was to witness a crime of course I’d try to intervene (something which men already do more than women) but I’ve yet to witness such a crime so far in my life so I don’t really see what I can do.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen16/03/21 09:10 PM
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I personally am not a fan of absolutes, so I take issue with “yes all men” in the same way as I do with “yes all women”. Good sentiment though.
/r/MensRights16/03/21 09:07 PM
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The YouTuber bane666au did such an extensive and effective rebuttal to that article that there isn’t much more for me to say. Here are all his videos on the subject (warning: they’re LONG and only sunsets of each one focus on the article!) https://youtu.be/COdrxpgdaXc https://youtu.be/NDZ7eBHp4Pk https://youtu.be/IUcLbhOTxsI https://youtu.be/x9mWWeG9_Ok
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/21 03:04 PM
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It’s some of both I think. They always leaned right wing but their excellent analyses of gender relations made their personal biases less big of a deal, and they clearly tried to be objective. However, in the last year they’ve started putting their politics above objectivity. I’m unsubscribed now.
/r/MensRights11/03/21 03:53 AM
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So now they DON’T think consent is important?
/r/FeminismStopsWhen11/03/21 02:02 AM
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Good god, these people are fucking crazy. Even when men are worried for women’s safety, they spin it into them hating women. Then of course, if they don’t warn and protect them like this, they’re apparently blind to women’s suffering. It’s a real catch-22.
/r/MensRights28/02/21 12:50 AM
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Interesting! Back when I was in high school a few years ago, we had one single class day in English class where we discussed men’s issues specifically. (A few instances lead me to believe in hindsight that my English teacher definitely had somewhat-hidden MRA sympathies). A few of the more extreme feminists in the class were predictably quite upset, but otherwise it was quite a productive discussion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/21 01:04 AM
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I sadly had a great grandmother who was involved with the KKK. Whenever someone asked her how she could support the cause, her justification was that a black man sexually assaulted her once. There is indeed a parallel.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/21 01:10 AM
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I don’t think conservatives hate either sex, but they do have ridiculously rigid ideas of how the sexes should act.
/r/MensRights21/02/21 09:45 PM
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Tell that to all the people mentioned throughout this post who still don’t have their jobs after years.
/r/MensRights21/02/21 03:56 PM
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Are these people legitimately unaware that gay/minority men were far more harshly punished than women? Or that premarital sex was seen as sinful regardless of what gender you were?
/r/MensRights21/02/21 03:55 PM
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She got promoted to a position where SHE SPEAKS OUT ABOUT ABUSE. Despite being a self-proclaimed abuser who has never apologized for her actions.
/r/MensRights21/02/21 03:53 PM
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Like, where the hell do these women live?? I’ve asked most of the women I’m close to about abuse and harassment. Most of them don’t know what the hell I’m talking about. Or, they were catcalled once or twice when they were 20 and other than that they’ve never really dealt with any harassment. It honestly alarms me that these women seem to have such negative views of the female experience when it seems like the vast majority of women are doing perfectly alright.
/r/MensRights21/02/21 03:51 PM
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I love the irony of her saying that men need to learn not everything is about them, in the same paragraph where she explicitly states that she refuses to listen to men who don’t accept that certain things are all about women.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen21/02/21 03:47 PM
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I graduated high school a few years ago and I never heard guys trying to rank girls that way. By contrast, I did in fact hear girls ranking guys that way out in the open a few times.
/r/MensRights20/02/21 02:23 AM
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Lol... what? If being in the kitchen is so oppressive, why exactly is being a chef seen as desirable by these people while being a waitress is somehow bad?
/r/FeminismStopsWhen17/02/21 10:26 PM
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Notice the different standards depending on gender. Feminists routinely say that abused women have every right to express their feelings through man-hating language. By contrast, if an abused man so much as tries to make a conversation less gender-specific, he’s obviously lying.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen12/02/21 04:46 PM
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Lol what? Name one single ideology that tells people to prioritize men. Even the reactionary religious fundamentalist types usually popularize their moral panics by saying “think of the women and children!”
/r/FeminismStopsWhen12/02/21 04:44 PM
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If misogyny is so life threatening while misandry is little more than insults, why exactly are men killed more often than women in, well... pretty much every metric?
/r/FeminismStopsWhen12/02/21 04:42 PM
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Good god, this is awful. Essentially the message is “men who were actually abused ought to still be focusing on women!” Honesty this is TrollX/GC-tier shit. I’d expect better even from r/feminism.
/r/MensRights12/02/21 01:50 AM
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As well as when they were born, since circumcision was much more popular 30+ years ago than it is today.
/r/MensRights05/02/21 02:13 AM
1

It can be biased but it’s worth more than your unsourced Reddit comments.
/r/MensRights05/02/21 02:11 AM
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How do these people make this kind of request with widespread social support and still feel like victims? Historically oppressed groups certainly weren’t given free reign to police oppressor groups’ behavior. It wasn’t black people telling white people not to walk too nearby to them, it was the reverse. It wasn’t gay people warning heterosexuals not to be so obvious, it was the reverse. Like, how do these feminists legitimately feel like oppressed underdogs when they have this huge an amount of …
/r/MensRights29/01/21 12:58 AM
3

I know a few women who genuinely love cooking so choose to do it a lot, but it doesn’t seem like women being forced to cook is really a widespread thing anymore.
/r/MensRights29/01/21 12:54 AM
0

We don’t live in a matriarchy.
/r/MensRights25/01/21 09:30 PM
2

Not exactly a scholar on men's issues per se, but Janice Fiamengo is an academic who makes very insightful videos about men's issues, largely from the perspective of academica.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/21 07:46 AM
10

Honestly trying to read that grammar makes me feel like I’m having a stroke
/r/MensRights24/01/21 04:42 AM
2

Looks like a few dumb TERFs who gave up their stupid sub months ago. Annoying but nothing worth getting outraged over.
/r/MensRights22/01/21 01:44 AM
2

It even says “more men than women are educated by design”. Um... education statistics overwhelmingly show the exact opposite.
/r/MensRights21/01/21 04:19 PM
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IMO the black people one works even better here because the vast majority of statistics which apply to men here also apply to black people.
/r/MensRights21/01/21 04:18 PM
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Yeah, I always felt like that was projection. Obviously this is anecdotal and obviously we’re all individuals. However, when I started getting more female friends I was shocked by just how explicitly they talked about sex and sexuality. I’ve heard them talk about BDSM methods, how often they orgasm, their favorite places for sex, etc. I have a female friend who’s been shown nudes of friends’ boyfriends without either consent from the boyfriend or warning before showing the pictures. By contrast …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/21 02:20 AM
3

I was always pretty left wing. I’ve been against forced traditionalism for as long as I can remember because it clearly puts many people into lives they don’t want to live. Then when I was in high school a few girls in my class started getting super into feminism. Right from the start I knew I wasn’t a feminist because their allegations about male privileges and advantages didn’t even remotely connect to my experiences or the experiences of men in my family. For about five years I just kind of a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/21 05:39 PM
7

I mean, I’d say as a rule men and women are biologically inclined towards various strengths. However, individuals are not trends. Just because many women may be more inclined towards caregiving and many men may be more inclined to laboring doesn’t mean the men and women who aren’t inclined to those should be forced into them.
/r/MensRights06/01/21 12:01 AM
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The amusing thing is, everyone I’ve ever met who hates the word “female” LOVES the word “male”.
/r/MensRights04/01/21 01:54 AM
5

Encouragingly enough that was quite a quick change in Australia, no? 50 years ago most Australian boys were still being mutilated if I'm not mistaken.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/20 06:37 AM
7

Huh? They very much get into competition about who has it worse. Yes here’s constant emphasis on how women have it worse.
/r/MensRights27/12/20 06:47 PM
3

Karen’s gone downhill in the last year TBH, but in general she’s excellent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/20 01:38 AM
36

When women struggle in the workforce, it’s because of patriarchal discrimination. When men struggle in the workforce, they’re just pathetic losers who need to man up. Classic equality.
/r/MensRights23/12/20 05:53 PM
4

I find that stupidpol often takes the opposite extreme of failing to acknowledge that bigotry can exist at all. It’s preferable over the more mainstream subs, though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/20 03:03 AM
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I’d also harmful that feminism is particularly harmful to autistic man. Feminism demands that men notice subtleties in human interactions and pick up on unsaid implications of women’s expectations and desires, something that’s very difficult for many autistic men.
/r/MensRights21/12/20 03:36 AM
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If I understand correctly, most modern critics think he’s coded autistic. That’s why he has such odd perspectives on emotion, not because of any toxic masculinity bullshit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/20 02:10 PM
2

Imagine having the nerve to suggest that it is appropriate to look at the most vulnerable and struggling men and train them to check their privilege.
/r/MensRights19/12/20 06:07 AM
3

Andrew Yang is by far the best American politician in recent times (if not ever) for men’s issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/20 04:00 AM
6

Imagine my shock. I always got the sense that whoever was behind the page probably didn’t fully believe everything they said. It just felt too Poe-like to be genuine.
/r/MensRights13/12/20 12:28 AM
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Feminists: “men don’t talk about their abuse of toxic masculinity! Just teach them not to be afraid of being like a woman and the problem is solved!” Men talk about their abuse: this happens
/r/MensRights12/12/20 02:02 PM
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I’m fine with the idea. In my experience many if not most in the community are too radical in their worldview for my liking though.
/r/MensRights12/12/20 01:59 PM
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I agree that this isn’t a hot button issue but it still is worthy of discussion. I’m surprised you’ve never talked to a feminist who complains about the word female. I can think of three feminists I know personally off the top of my head who I’ve heard complain about it, not to mention the countless news articles and Reddit posts about it.
/r/MensRights12/12/20 01:57 PM
2

I liked AskMen until about half a year ago. If I recall it got new mods who are far more censor-happy than the old ones.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/20 07:49 PM
5

I don’t have the same experience as you. In my experience most MRAs are pro choice, though a significant fraction is pro life. I definitely lean towards the pro choice side, which the exception of late term abortions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/20 07:03 AM
1

Many feminists blame men and masculinity for the tendency of male victims not to report their domestic abuse. Yet look at Johnny Depp. He had direct proof of his victimhood and was met with demonization as a result, ironically enough by many of the same feminists who say more men would speak up if not for the evil of masculinity. And this is Johnny Depp. An incredibly rich, famous, and well-respected individual. This is what happened to a man who’s about as privileged as one can expect a man to …
/r/MensRights30/11/20 09:13 PM
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Most gender norms, chivalry included, rely on sexist assumptions about both sexes. To me, one of the biggest failures of feminism in understanding the world is its odd false dichotomy that either only misogyny or only misandry exists, no other possibility. On the contrary, sexist views of one gender almost without exception are tied to sexist views of the other.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/20 01:01 AM
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They’re male issues because they affect men first and foremost. It’s that simple. Unlike feminists, I don’t think most MRAs view the genders as classes competing against each other. We recognize that members of a sex can cause members of the same sex to suffer due to their sex. Moreover, even if men are in charge society at large, which consists of men and women, is capable of influencing them strongly. To me and most others who are sympathetic to the MRM, the cause of the issue is less pressing…
/r/MensRights24/11/20 06:35 PM
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What’s your point? That’s a regularly accepted fact which is brought up constantly within the MRM. What exactly is your argument?
/r/MensRights24/11/20 12:58 AM
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Here’s a good list.
/r/MensRights23/11/20 01:18 AM
2

How do you define patriarchy? I don’t really believe in patriarchy in the strictest sense. I do believe that gender roles are harmful to men. However, I don’t really think the supposed attempts to remove gender roles actually care about male gender roles. Feminists regularly rely on gender stereotypes and expectations when it helps them out.
/r/MensRights18/11/20 11:27 AM
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I don’t think they should be demonized like they are now, to the point that people of either gender who follow them are shamed. However, I also don’t think anyone should be forced into them. I don’t think there’s anything shameful about not following them.
/r/MensRights17/11/20 10:01 PM
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I used to feel that way to an extent. I never actually identified as a feminist but I trusted that most of the movement’s ideas were good so I was convinced that I must have some degree of entitlement and rapeyness even if I couldn’t actually find those parts of me. I made a conscious effort to avoid anything masculine in fear of becoming a typical Bad Man, which in hindsight only contributed to the mental health issues I already had.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/20 01:22 PM
2

I agree with most of your points. Sadly, feminists such as NOW and the white ribbon campaign (I.e. ones with actual power and influence) do not and have been fighting hard and strong against most of those changes. NOW has used fearmongering to fight every piece of shared parenting legislation for the last 25 years. Domestic violence activism groups have hidden the prevalence of non male-on-female domestic violence to the point that researcher Murray Strauss’ career was threatened by academic fem…
/r/MensRights15/11/20 03:57 PM
3

Catcalling is rude and should not be encouraged. Having said that, it doesn’t directly harm anyone objectively so it isn’t a violation of human rights.
/r/MensRights15/11/20 03:48 PM
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What sub is that??
/r/MensRights15/11/20 03:47 PM
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I personally don’t like either. I think they are very surface-level and don’t really have too complex a perspective on the things they say. At their worst they’re essentially just reverse of the NPCs they criticize. Having said that, I do believe they have said some truths before.
/r/MensRights15/11/20 03:46 PM
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I don’t object to the term because it comes from feminist theory. I object to it because to many men, it comes with an implication of victim blaming. Look, most men see masculinity as a personality trait, NOT as the combination of social pressures and influences. Maybe they encourage someone to be masculine, but they aren’t themselves masculinity. Yet people don’t talk about toxic expectations of masculinity or toxic encouragement of masculinity. They just say toxic masculinity. That word which …
/r/MensRights14/11/20 08:28 PM
5

Actually it was invented by the mythopoetic men’s movement, which is not tied to the MRM.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 04:39 PM
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Very good post. I believe that minority men, particularly black men, tend to experience a massively amped-up version of what men as a whole tend to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/20 01:55 AM
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Good for her. She represents the idealized version of feminism I desperately searched for in my skeptic-SJW days when I was frustrated with the movement but still scared to move away from it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/20 09:08 PM
5

There are a ton of feminists in the comments mocking MRAs for getting offended... yet a strange lack of MRAs actually getting offended.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 04:20 PM
2

God, this is hilarious. Even if men do what MSNBC wants them to do they’re still shamed for it.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 04:50 AM
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The Guardian is a dumpster fire. Even the media here in America (which is horrible) isn’t as bad as that propaganda publication.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 04:55 AM
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Yeah, I feel the same way about her. Her gender-related videos are excellent and well-researched, but her other videos... clearly are a bit more emotionally-charged. A lot of the Honey Badgers have had this issue lately (with Brian being by far the worst IMO).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/20 09:54 PM
2

What it it IS our culture? As someone who’s American and Jewish and recognize the importance of circumcision in those cultures, I still maintain that it isn’t ethical to alter infants’ bodies for no real medical reason without their consent.
/r/MensRights05/11/20 09:37 PM
5

Not circumcised. I want to have a body the way nature intended it to be.
/r/MensRights05/11/20 11:50 AM
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This is fucking insane. The level of not just tolerance but SYMPATHY our society has for abusive women is sickening.
/r/MensRights05/11/20 01:43 AM
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Not according to feminist theory of rape.
/r/MensRights31/10/20 11:38 PM
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I’ve never been a fan of the concept of “hate speech”, but people who believe in it at least ought to enforce it fairly and consistently.
/r/MensRights31/10/20 11:38 PM
5

It shouldn’t be the sole purpose of Father’s Day, but yes it should be an aspect.
/r/MensRights29/10/20 09:23 PM
2

I’d love to see someone post that on TrollX. Wonder how long it will take to get banned for stating facts they don’t like.
/r/MensRights29/10/20 02:48 AM
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Are fraternities regularly raping women, like, actually a thing outside of crude movies that are made for the sole purpose of being shocking?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/20 02:46 AM
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I’m very conflicted on it. On the one hand, fetuses can grow into living, functional people and they do themselves have an incredible amount of physical if not mental activity. On the other hand, it does seem somewhat unfair to value someone who doesn’t even have cognitive skills yet over a fully autonomous person. I don’t think abortion should exactly be encouraged because preventing a potential life is regrettable, but I don’t think it would be fair to ban it either. I’d say I’m hesitantly pro…
/r/MensRights29/10/20 01:43 AM
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Good god, this sickens me. All children feel a sense of entitlement regardless of gender. Working past it is part of growing up. Anyone who has this much resentment towards a small child is severely mentally ill and/or extremely hateful. It particularly bothers me because, as much debate as there is regarding male/female privilege for adults, boys are pretty much objectively disadvantaged compared to girls. They are more likely to be prescribed medications inappropriately, more likely to drop ou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/20 04:22 PM
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I hate the last quote so much, given that women are far and away the most protected group from violence. And the implication that the worst a woman can do is laugh at a man is so incredibly disrespectful to the many male victims of physical/sexual abuse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/20 04:17 PM
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It hasn’t ruined my life or anything. I definitely am lucky somewhat. I got a religious circumcision which seems to me as less invasive than a lot of ritual circumcisions. It’s cut loose enough that I have plenty of gliding action, and I still have most of my frenulum. Still, it really disturbs me to know that when I was a helpless little infant I had a healthy part of my body ripped off without any aesthetic, at my parents’ consent. I do wish I could know my body the way it was created to look …
/r/MensRights27/10/20 12:26 AM
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The thing is, they refuse to look at any place where the average person doesn’t agree with them. So they have no interest in looking at our own forums. So they judge us only on what we say in their own spaces.
/r/MensRights27/10/20 12:23 AM
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I like how they act like this doesn’t represent feminism, yet Elliot Roger represents all MRAs despite neither identifying as an MRA nor being known to have ever interacted with anyone who identifies as an MRA.
/r/MensRights25/10/20 08:44 PM
6

I personally believe there's nothing wrong with single-sex communities. There is, however, something wrong with allowing one sex to form single-sex communities but not the other.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/10/20 04:52 AM
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I'm glad you brought this up, particularly the term "friendzone". In my experience it's usually used when you wish someone romantically desires you but they don't. That's it. Any anger that arises is usually aimed at oneself for getting one's hopes up. Nor is it even a particularly gendered word; I've heard people of both sexes and multiple sexualities use the term. Yet feminists insist the phrase is an embodiment of male entitlement. Honestly I think some of them know what the term actually mea…
/r/MensRights23/10/20 10:04 PM
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Why is this getting downvoted? I think it’s completely true. As a society we tend to hyper analyze male behavior to the point where looking at someone wrong can be seen as harassment, with no similar circumstance for female behavior. We tend to see a man who doesn’t have a high paying job as unsuccessful, while a woman with no job at all can be seen as perfectly successful. I agree that men are held to higher standards of success.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/20 03:17 PM
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Good god. It infuriates me when some women feel entitled to be perceived as sexually attractive. Everyone has the right to their own preferences.
/r/MensRights22/10/20 09:51 PM
2

I think critical race theory is somewhat closer to reality than patriarchy theory, but I still think emphasizing the victimhood of one group and shame of another group is counterproductive. This is progress
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/20 09:49 PM
15

So the Women Against State Pension Inequality... are in favor of state pension inequality? Okey dokey then...
/r/MensRights22/10/20 08:08 AM
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I love how overvaluing women’s sexuality is seen as “patriarchal”, and undervaluing women’s sexuality is also seen as “patriarchal”.
/r/MensRights21/10/20 06:50 AM
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No, I haven’t. I’ve met feminists who say men’s issues are important too, but when I or others argue that terms like those are more harmful than helpful to men, they either go silent or engage in mental gymnastics to explain why actually it’s perfectly fine.
/r/MensRights18/10/20 11:08 PM
2

And some people have the gall to suggest that boys are privileged. Even though I disagree with the concept of overwhelming male privilege, I can sort of understand how the apex fallacy and cherry picked statistics can convince people it exists for adult men. But I can’t even wrap my head around how anyone can somehow think young boys are better off than young girls, when the opposite is so blatantly true.
/r/MensRights18/10/20 07:52 PM
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Ironically enough, I’d say most MRAs I’ve encountered want a LESS patriarchal society than the one we have, an indeed a less patriarchal one than most feminists want. Feminists endorse movements like HeForShe and the White Ribbon Campaign which ask men as a group to take collective responsibility for protecting women as a group. When MRAs argue that this societal structure is anti-egalitarian, somehow we’re the traditionalist ones?
/r/MensRights18/10/20 07:50 PM
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“More male centered” is misleading. We don’t want a society focused disproportionately on either sex.
/r/MensRights18/10/20 07:47 PM
2

Is there any evidence of this?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/20 04:35 PM
7

Mel Magazine baffles me a little? It seems to act like it’s a magazine for men, but seems to write with almost exclusively female perspectives aimed at primarily female sensibilities
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/20 04:34 PM
1

I’m no expert on him. From what I’ve heard of him he has some decent points but mostly seems like kind of an idiot.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/20 04:32 PM
2

Your story is a perfect piece of evidence that we don’t even remotely live in a rape culture.
/r/MensRights17/10/20 04:29 PM
4

It’s crazy how so many “progressives” seem to think we should return to the 1950s when it was socially acceptable to lynch a guy because a woman said so...
/r/MensRights17/10/20 04:28 PM
2

No. You can’t fight bigotry with more bigotry.
/r/MensRights17/10/20 04:25 PM
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And it has a 60% upvote rate. The majority of MensLibbers believe that this piece is reasonable enough to be focused on by a group that is supposedly concerned with male well-being.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/20 03:51 AM
12

Much as I generally dislike Steven Crowder and I tend not to agree with him, I have to say he has done a good job challenging feminist talking points.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/20 03:17 PM
8

Lol, you think this place is an echo chamber despite the fact that you’re literally trying to get yourself banned and you can’t get it to happen? Despite the fact that you’re trying to get people to force you out and they’re more interested in discussion and debate?
/r/MensRights11/10/20 09:35 PM
1

Yes to be honest... although I care very much about men’s issues, I sort of have to think through my sympathy whenever I see a male struggling, whereas when I see a female struggling I just naturally feel strongly sympathetic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/20 01:28 PM
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Also, they certainly don’t apply that logic to people who call themselves feminists but who disagree with the widespread narrative. Look at Christina Hoff Sommers for instance. She identifies as a feminist and though she focuses on men and boys, she also speaks about women’s issues when she thinks it’s appropriate. By the dictionary definition there’s no reason to say she isn’t a feminist. Yet the movement denounces her for not believing in the patriarchy or widespread male privilege currently e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/20 01:27 PM
1

Good god, this is crazy. At least this person acknowledges that it isn’t a healthy attitude though.
/r/MensRights09/10/20 04:53 PM
2

Yeah, GMP is a mixed website. In general it tends to be misandrist, but there’s also some good stuff like this article.
/r/MensRights06/10/20 08:45 PM
3

I feel that very much. Even before I knew about the MRM, I understood the existence of male disposability because my school did basically nothing to acknowledge when I was very openly depressed while bending over backwards to cater to female classmates in exactly the same place as me.
/r/MensRights06/10/20 03:54 AM
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I think women have every right to reject a shorter man if they don’t find his height attractive, and I say that as a guy who’s only 5’6”. I think men equally have every right to date a woman who’s too heavy or unhygienic to be attractive to him. I don’t, however, think the double standard is acceptable, and I also don’t think anyone should get to treat members of the opposite sex as subhuman just because they don’t consider them attractive.
/r/MensRights05/10/20 03:51 PM
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Rape culture exists in prison, which is what the term was devised for originally. It does not exist in wider society, however.
/r/MensRights03/10/20 08:25 PM
3

Good god, some of these people are fucking delusional.
/r/MensRights02/10/20 06:30 PM
6

Because they’d rather do that than accept that the people they love and trust the most committed a wrong towards them. Female survivors of genital mutilation tend to do the same thing.
/r/MensRights01/10/20 05:31 AM
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Do you have any memory of seventh grade? When I was a preteen/young teen, I remember me and my acquaintances LOVED challenging teachers and trying to figure out when they weren’t being fair. This was our way of questioning authority, I think. And there were certainly 12 year olds at my school who strongly identified as feminists. I personally don’t find this story too unbelievable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/20 10:01 PM
3

I can ignore some obnoxious misandrist Tumblr posts since they don’t really affect me much at the end of the day. I cannot, however, ignore when the media, the government, and the education system - in other words, those with the most power over society - regularly display shameless misandry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/20 10:01 PM
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It’s a special kind of female supremacy to look at a woman who opposes everything you believe in and still ultimately blame men for her shortcomings.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/20 08:50 PM
1

Probably, yeah.
/r/MensRights25/09/20 05:57 PM
4

I hate when they bring up rapists who don't know they're rapists. There is no evidence whatsoever that this is a popular trend and a lot of evidence to the contrary. I also can't help but laugh at the second-to-last paragraph, since everything mentioned there with the exception of dress codes and telling girls to cover up seems to apply more in the other direction in my experience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/20 12:10 PM
9

From what I understand, before her banks were allowed to deny women property due to their gender. This doesn’t mean no woman could ever own property, but if they were denied it there was nothing illegal going on. I certainly support this particular change. Having said that, it definitely has been exaggerated.
/r/MensRights21/09/20 11:03 PM
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And even that example they give only exists because of the knowledge that the boys will be forced to sacrifice their time to financially benefit the families as they get older.
/r/MensRights21/09/20 11:01 PM
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It’s funny... people always act like “men’s too” is the equivalent of “all lives matter” even though on average empathy is directed more towards women (as it is with white people).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/20 06:44 PM
14

Wow, a post like that would NEVER be posted on MensLib today.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/20 07:47 PM
1

Whether or not I’m an antifeminist depends on your definition of feminism. I’m certainly not against advocating for women’s rights on the basis of equality. I am against conjectures like patriarchy and rape culture which seem to be pivotal to feminism, though. Ultimately I don’t really care about labels. I just care about making positive change. Sadly a lot of feminists aren’t on the same page as me in that regard, at least in my experience. M
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/20 02:56 AM
2

I have no clue why a man would want that, but I suppose you have the right to do whatever you want with your own body as long as you aren’t hurting anyone else.
/r/MensRights13/09/20 11:01 PM
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It’s painful for an infant to deal with and it’s completely unnecessary. It also inconveniences men throughout their lives by taking away a sexually pleasurable part of the body as well as removing the protection of the penis head, which causes the skin to keratinize and this grow less sensitive to fine touch.
/r/MensRights13/09/20 07:26 PM
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Pretty much every study on this subject suggests that, if anything, women are more likely than men to dislike men who are emotionally open. But that doesn't fit the patriarchy narrative, so everyone ignores it.
/r/MensRights12/09/20 05:59 PM
8

The majority of these are more about her feeling like no one will help her than actual experiences.
/r/MensRights12/09/20 04:59 AM
13

Not all women, but I’ve definitely met women like this.
/r/MensRights07/09/20 05:36 PM
9

Glad someone else said that. Comments like that (along with all the irritating surface-level SJW shit) remind me exactly why I no longer use tumblr.
/r/MensRights07/09/20 05:41 AM
1

Women have occasionally made lewd comments about my body, but honestly it never bothered me much. There are much more important issues to worry about IMO.
/r/MensRights06/09/20 10:18 PM
3

I’m strongly in favor of it personally.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/20 01:36 AM
5

Of course not. Many of my favorite people in the world are women. I hate bad people regardless of their gender.
/r/MensRights05/09/20 01:28 AM
2

Even if that was true, why would politicizing the problem be a bad thing? It’s clearly an important issue which is regularly being blocked from being discussed. What exactly are MRAs supposed to do?
/r/MensRights01/09/20 12:37 PM
15

So basically, their argument is “MRAs are right, but they shouldn’t talk about it!!”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/20 12:24 PM
17

Funny how the same people who talk about the ways misogynistic jokes and rape jokes contribute to misogyny and rape suddenly think “it’s just a joke!!” is a valid excuse for misandrist jokes.
/r/MensRights31/08/20 12:27 AM
5

I don’t know what kind of idiot would say no. Who the fuck cares what sex other people are attracted to?
/r/MensRights31/08/20 12:23 AM
21

For most of history, few people had any rights and privileges. In the last few centuries, it came to the point where men did have more rights, but they also had more responsibilities. So they weren’t exactly privileges. Both sexes had issues and advantages, and in my opinion it’s disingenuous to cite either as having been objectively better off than the other.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/20 12:43 AM
5

Pretty much every “scientific” piece promoting circumcision cites this fraud.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/20 11:21 PM
4

I mean, I like the sentiment, but this takes the typical feminist narrative of victim blaming men for not speaking up and acting like the problem will be solved if they just change their attitudes. The fact is, when men speak up about mental illnesses they’re usually shunned and ostracized. I’ve struggled with depression on and off for six and a half years. At first I was very open about it, but people started treating me very disrespectfully and people (mostly women, though hashtag not all wome…
/r/MensRights27/08/20 02:50 PM
6

There is a wide variety of viewpoints here. There are conservatives and liberals, religious people and atheists. I don’t think there’s really an average viewpoint here other than that men’s rights are an important issue.
/r/MensRights27/08/20 02:45 PM
2

Buzzfeed is a fucking joke to the vast majority of people. Even the more moderate feminists think Buzzfeed is BS in my experience.
/r/MensRights27/08/20 01:25 AM
4

You’re privileged indeed. I sadly will never know what it feels like to have a perfectly natural and functional piece of anatomy.
/r/MensRights27/08/20 01:24 AM
1

False allegations were literally the cause of lynching. So I don’t exactly thing that comparison is bullshit.
/r/MensRights27/08/20 01:22 AM
1

And the sad part is, RAINN is one of the better feminist organizations since they don’t believe in rape culture.
/r/MensRights27/08/20 01:21 AM
3

Even if it was true that men who are raped are usually raped by other men (which isn’t true, as other comments have explained), how the fuck is that relevant?? Is a man somehow less of a victim just because the perpetrator had the the same genitals as him?
/r/MensRights27/08/20 01:12 AM
25

This stuff is literally just basic adult responsibilities. Also, I was under the impression men were usually expected to arrange date nights?
/r/MensRights24/08/20 11:20 PM
5

I totally agree with you. Btw I strongly recommend the subreddit r/CircumcisionGrief. It’s a place meant for venting and discussing the negative associations related to circumcision.
/r/MensRights23/08/20 08:42 PM
150

Totally agree. People cite women’s feelings as if they justify laws and massive social changes even if they’ve been proven time and time again to have next to no basis in reality.
/r/MensRights23/08/20 06:36 AM
8

Lol, Instagram isn’t alt right at all. I find that it leans left. Also, the alt right HATES MRAs because the MRM puts men at an emotionally vulnerable position and suggests that they think about themselves instead of sacrificing for others. This is an anti-conservative position and thus is fundamentally at odds with the alt right.
/r/MensRights22/08/20 12:59 PM
2

I mean... I’ve heard men be called all those words too? But whatever
/r/MensRights22/08/20 06:58 AM
2

The funny thing is, I’ve been told three of these four things before. Some people are so tone deaf that they assume it simply isn’t conceivable for men to experience things that they do in fact experience.
/r/MensRights16/08/20 09:15 PM
48

It’s ironic how so many fierce pro-choicers suddenly resort to exactly the same arguments pro-lifers use as soon as men are concerned.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/20 05:40 PM
-2

Spousal rape is generally a gender neutral law. There are genuine disadvantages that women have, but that one really isn’t an example of it.
/r/MensRights16/08/20 03:27 AM
1

I am not angry at feminists. I think most of them are perfectly decent, well-intentioned people. I am angry at feminism, however.
/r/MensRights07/08/20 01:08 AM
3

If more feminists were like her, I'd like the movement a lot more.
/r/MensRights06/08/20 08:22 PM
4

Everyone already knows by now that AITA has a sexist bias.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/20 12:09 AM
11

Gen z as well, can confirm
/r/MensRights05/08/20 04:56 AM
5

I see it similarly to most feminist sources on men’s issues. The broken clock rule applies so there’s occasionally something genuinely good, but for the most part it’s nothing more than misandrist shit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/20 01:51 AM
12

People like that seem to see the genders as sports teams competing against each other. Hence, if someone who happens to be a specific gender does something, clearly everyone of that gender was in on the move and has no right complaining about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/20 01:49 AM
28

Agreed very much. Hell, I remember even my mother (who is generally a strong never-Trumper) let me know at the time that she couldn’t help but agree with him on this one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/20 02:29 AM
33

If feminists cared about rape and domestic violence of ALL genders, they wouldn’t have manipulated the data and the laws to avoid protecting males.
/r/MensRights23/07/20 11:09 PM
6

Ah yes, the same RationalWiki whose page on the apex fallacy consists almost entirely of name-calling MRAs with a bit of whataboutisms about the wage gap thrown in.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/20 02:56 AM
5

Eh, TRP is a very toxic place and I support the idea of a community that focuses on deradicalization. However, places like exredpill seem to move towards the opposite extreme of denying that dating comes with any hardships.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/20 02:14 AM
10

Hell, just recently she insisted that Amber Heard should be considered the victim of abuse regardless of her proven perpetration. She’s a disgusting person.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/20 06:46 PM
11

It’s a shame. Askmen used to be great but over the last few months the mods have really started to be more power hungry.
/r/MensRights19/07/20 10:25 AM
4

I always hated the implication that one’s identity lies in one’s career. This particularly bothers me because I was raised by a mother who longed to stay at home and focus her life on motherhood, but who worked anyway out of economic necessity. She always said that she hated being part of the work force and that the only thing that made things worth it was her family. I despise the rhetoric that she would be sacrificing herself if she focused on caring for the family.
/r/MensRights18/07/20 11:28 PM
2

I’d love to take part if possible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/20 09:33 PM
7

Ah yes, ProMaleCollective. Most of its posters are just sock puppets if I’m not mistaken. In any case, it looks about like what would happen if SJWs suddenly started caring about men. All the cancel culture BS, obsession with semantics, and baseless accusations you come to expect from SJWs.
/r/MensRights15/07/20 10:26 PM
1

We need woman’s rights movements there. However, feminism is based on lies and is not needed anywhere.
/r/MensRights14/07/20 08:56 PM
4

This honestly is just common sense. I can’t believe some people actually think we should compromise our country’s safety just for political correctness.
/r/MensRights14/07/20 08:56 PM
6

Wow, inspiring! Relieved to see it isn’t some feminist sub that comes up.
/r/MensRights14/07/20 08:53 PM
13

This isn’t the first time something like this happened and it probably won’t be the last either. Wasn’t there a guy who was raped while he was passed out who nevertheless got expelled because the woman accused him of being the rapist?
/r/MensRights14/07/20 08:51 PM
1

Yeah, I’m tired of the assumptions that people’s character should be judged by their gender.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/20 08:46 PM
2

Eh, it’s harder than it used to be but still possible. I’m in that awkward almost-dating-but-not-quite stage with an incredible woman, and she’s a truly amazing person who I have no issue trusting. However, I avoid online dating like the plague and I’d recommend most people do the same.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/20 08:44 PM
22

It’s funny how often feminists rely on the very gender stereotypes which they claim they want to fight. Another example is the stereotype that men are obsessed with sex. They claim to be against that, yet when a man simply says hello they construe it as catcalling and male entitlement (as seen in that woman in New York video from a few years ago).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/20 05:11 PM
9

I’ve always loved that comment. Yes, there are plenty of people identifying as feminists who have good intentions and who genuinely care about men as well as women. Feminism as a movement, however, does not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/20 05:10 PM
3

“I likewise condemn the takedown of innocent individuals without any due process” THAN DONT FUCKING TAKE INDIVIDUALS DOWN WITHOUT ANY DUE PROCESS!!!!
/r/MensRights11/07/20 06:17 PM
33

Men disproportionately dying, women most affected
/r/MensRights11/07/20 06:13 PM
5

It’s just shitty behavior. It’s neither toxic femininity nor toxic masculinity.
/r/MensRights11/07/20 02:51 AM
5

The amusing but annoying thing about the right is that they (not unreasonably) chastise feminists for making sweeping generalizations about the men in their culture... only to make exactly the same statements about men in outside cultures.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/20 05:34 PM
3

I agree with your reasoning as to why the right is more appealing at first glance to those concerned with men’s issues. Having said that, I would argue that right wing ideology is too traditionalist to really be good for men in the long run. Sure it acknowledges men’s issues as a gotcha to feminists, but the core of its belief system sees things like alimony, conscription, and circumcision as acceptable. What we need is a subset of the left that is truer to the theoretical core of its ideology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/20 05:54 PM
3

Yeah, r/AskFeminists strikes me as mostly being made up of the “coffee shop” variety of feminists, i.e. people who aren’t super invested in the history and ideology of their movement but who have a lot of passion for its supposed goal. That kind of feminist tends to be sympathetic towards men’s issues so long as they don’t interfere with women’s issues (they’re less eager, for instance, to stand up for fathers’s rights or to close the education gap). Now the TrollX/to a lesser extent TwoX femini…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/20 01:33 AM
2

Find me one, just one example of a person on this sub making any such statement about single moms. If you do, I’ll be willing to listen to your argument.
/r/MensRights04/07/20 10:21 PM
42

Joe Biden was largely responsible for the Violence Against Women Act (which, for those who aren’t aware, revised the gender neutral Family Violence Prevention Act to no longer protect male victims as effectively). In campaigning for it he bragged about not being allowed to fight back when he was a child if his sisters hit him. He’s always been a misandrist.
/r/MensRights04/07/20 10:19 PM
3

Lol, boys and men are already held far more accountable for their actions than girls and women. When feminists make that argument they mean they want to punish boys and men at a woman’s words instead of after the facts have been gathered and confirmed.
/r/MensRights04/07/20 10:17 PM
5

Especially ironic since the movement was set up to combat the violence that overwhelmingly affects men.
/r/MensRights04/07/20 03:29 PM
1

I only look every few months. I’m not such a big fan of Paul’s style.
/r/MensRights04/07/20 03:28 PM
1

Good for you. Being hurt by an individual doesn’t inherently make you hate the entire group which that individual belongs to. One of the leading MRAs Karen Straughan is a former rape victim and she still has no problem advocating for men.
/r/MensRights04/07/20 03:28 PM
6

They’re confusing us for MGTOW presumably?
/r/MensRights04/07/20 03:09 PM
2

The ironic thing, the gender swapped version of a “simp” is a woman who sacrifices her own personality, individuality, and well-being to please men. Feminists are strongly opposed to such choices on the part of women. Yet they love when men make the same choices.
/r/MensRights02/07/20 08:52 PM
2

Instagram doesn’t have downvotes...
/r/MensRights02/07/20 08:47 PM
6

A few years ago they posted a meme about wishing they could send every last man away from earth so... no, not really
/r/MensRights02/07/20 08:46 PM
4

Excellent campaign. They have my full support.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/20 08:40 PM
5

Is that a joke? It’s almost impossible to have a discussion on the subject without getting the “happens to girls too” response.
/r/MensRights30/06/20 07:24 PM
10

In my experience as a college student, women (some women, not all of them!!) perpetuate, and benefit form, hookup culture far more than men so.
/r/MensRights30/06/20 07:22 PM
3

I like it. The original comic makes genuinely good points but is too wrapped up in patriarchy theory to come across as genuinely representative of reality. The edit, I think, offers a slightly more nuanced look at gender.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/20 07:20 PM
8

It’s been pretty easy with most people. Ironically enough, the feminist insanity regarding the Kavanaugh hearings moved my mom, who has tended towards loyalty towards the Democratic Party, much further towards the anti feminist path. Having said that, the more fiercely feminist people are a lost cause. I haven’t even bothered to talk to them about it since I know all they’ll do is call me a misogynist.
/r/MensRights29/06/20 01:32 AM
7

He sounds like a mean, inconsiderate partner and she should break up with him ASAP. Having said that, his behavior certainly isn’t gaslighting.
/r/MensRights29/06/20 01:30 AM
3

It’s easy to fall into that trap. But in principle I believe that the left is the best path to true freedom and equality. In practice, that sadly isn’t the case.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/20 09:58 PM
3

One time a guy I knew said he’d been sexually harassed. No one responded except for this very militant “intersectional” feminist who pretty much defines herself by feminism. She responded by LAUGHING AT HIM.
/r/MensRights28/06/20 08:52 PM
1

Because egalitarians give a perspective to equality that isn’t feminist. Feminists hate that.
/r/MensRights28/06/20 08:51 PM
5

FDS is an insane misandrist cesspool.
/r/MensRights28/06/20 08:49 PM
3

I’m getting closer with this really amazing woman right now. When we go out we usually both offer to pay, and I’d say it’s usually 50/50 who ends up doing the paying. It’s really wonderful.
/r/MensRights28/06/20 08:48 PM
2

It’s debatable. Having said that, if you were a woman and it was a man pressuring you into having sex, society would absolutely see it as sexual assault.
/r/MensRights28/06/20 08:45 PM
11

Don’t forget circumcision. It’s illegal to so much as lightly prick a baby girl’s genitals without her consent, yet it is legal to remove a baby boy’s entire foreskin even without an anaesthetic.
/r/MensRights28/06/20 08:42 PM
6

The problem is traditionalism, yes. Feminism reinforces the aspects of traditionalism that hurt men while shunning the aspects that benefit men. So feminism is the problem as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/20 11:24 PM
6

I feel the same way. Red pill types go extreme and tend towards misogyny, while anti red pill types seem unempathetic and naive to the point of acting like dating only comes with difficulties at all it you’re a terrible person. Not a fan of either side.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/20 12:48 AM
22

As an autistic man, I’ve had similar experiences. Autism support groups tend to be very gynocentric. The movement, like many social equality movements, has been overtaken by feminism, which is particularly deeply ironic given that autistic men are probably the singular group that is hurt the most by feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/20 04:59 AM
4

Did you know that for most of history in most nations, the definition of the word “rape” EXCLUDES instances where the one doing penetrating is the one who isn’t consenting? That’s the reason why men supposedly are the vast majority of rapists. Female rapists aren’t counted in the statistics.
/r/MensRights20/06/20 10:19 PM
1

It weirds me out a bit regardless of which sex each person is and I certainly wouldn’t encourage it. Having said that, consenting adults have the right to do what they want with their own bodies, so I don’t see why it’s any of my business.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/20 03:14 PM
3

I’ve always seen r/ProMaleCollective as similar to LWMA but with a lot more outrage and a bit less discussion. Also they censor far more than we do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/20 03:27 PM
4

That’s a wonderful logo!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/20 01:27 AM
9

The white feather campaign was a disgusting showcase of male disposability. Having said that, I don’t understand what makes it relevant right now?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/20 01:26 AM
5

And the feminist defense is the disgusting “well women aren’t ALLOWED to throw their lives away like that, so actually conscription hurts WOMEN more!!” whataboutism.
/r/MensRights19/06/20 01:19 AM
4

That’s inspiring to hear. I don’t agree with everything he says, but he seems far more sensible than most of breadtube.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/20 02:15 AM
8

I love that documentary. It played a big part in transitioning me from an egalitarian who was critical of some forms of feminism into a full MRA.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/20 10:27 PM
6

I went through a phase a couple years ago where I was very self loathing and misandrist in general. I genuinely believed that the majority of men felt entitled to women’s bodies thanks to MeToo and the like, and that I could turn to the same attitudes if I didn’t constantly and carefully monitor my thoughts. I’ve worked up the maturity to ignore the implications of most of those campaigns nowadays, though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/20 03:38 AM
4

There are some women who behave that way, and I’ve met some of them. But women are human beings with human emotions, and the majority have enough moral fortitude not to take advantage of the opportunities they’ve been given to treat men unfairly. I’ve also met some women who treat me and other men wonderfully. I suggest forcing yourself to spend a bit of time with some of the nicer-seeming women in your life. That should hopefully improve your feelings of them as a group.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/20 03:35 AM
14

I love how they can’t decide what’s worse: the fact that the discrimination exists, or the fact that it might turn someone into an MRA.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/20 11:13 AM
4

Not to that extent, but I did used to have self esteem issues based on negative feelings of men overall. Distancing myself a little from the social justice community (with the exception of specific subsets when it seems important, i.e. black rights activism right now) helped me a lot.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/20 11:12 AM
-1

Surprisingly based for a NYT article.
/r/MensRights07/06/20 09:52 PM
26

Very similar to my experience. I tried opening up to two feminist-identifying women who had previously told me I was allowed to open up to them. Neither was sympathetic in the slightest; one of them told me I was entitled and the other just stopped communicating with me for awhile.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/20 10:52 PM
19

Look at the actual data. No one’s saying race isn’t a factor, but gender undeniably is too.
/r/MensRights01/06/20 03:46 AM
11

That honestly makes me laugh. In my experience boys are taught from a pretty young age that they need to protect and be cognizant of the needs of the people around them. I think it’s absurd to say that boys aren’t pressurized to grow up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/20 05:31 PM
3

Congratulations. You’re starting your fatherhood making a great choice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/20 02:29 AM
6

Good post. I completely agree that class plays a role in police brutality. I do also agree with the mainstream left narrative that race is a significant factor. Having said that, gender is one of the largest risk factors for police brutality, and sadly it is probably the one that’s most ignored.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/20 07:29 PM
0

“I’ll be there for you”
/r/MensRights27/05/20 02:17 AM
2

The funny thing is, EVERYONE I’ve ever met who gets offended by the word “females” LOVES using the word “males”.
/r/MensRights26/05/20 02:49 AM
1

I’d be a strong supporter of that hashtag.
/r/MensRights24/05/20 07:41 PM
10

Incels aren’t even a movement. They already got a major fact wrong as of the title.
/r/MensRights24/05/20 07:38 PM
3

I love many people, and I hate many people. My feelings for individuals has nothing to do with what sex they were born as. That would be stupid. Though I’ve met plenty of women (and men) I don’t like, most of my favorite people also happen to be women.
/r/MensRights24/05/20 07:37 PM
4

Huh? I’ve only ever seen her make fun of those attitudes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/20 05:00 PM
4

Fascinating. It’s too bad that aspect of his life is never brought up in history classes. I wonder if there any other male historical figures whose suffering has been erased from popular narratives?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/20 04:58 PM
9

That’s... how discussion works? If people think you’re wrong, they should tell you so in the hopes of creating as accurate a narrative as possible. It doesn’t matter what sex you or the other people are.
/r/MensRights23/05/20 01:43 PM
14

Except when they defend it by saying that the reduced sensitivity makes men last longer in sex. They can’t even keep a consistent narrative.
/r/MensRights23/05/20 01:42 PM
6

Gloria Steinem strikes me as extremely stupid. She seems to just assume that men are privileged in terms of reproductive rights without actually thinking of any evidence of it. Most feminist leaders seem malicious to me, but Steinem just seems not very smart.
/r/MensRights22/05/20 02:33 PM
3

Reported. Brigading is against the rules.
/r/MensRights22/05/20 02:29 PM
12

Equal right to vote without potentially sacrificing our bodies to the government? Nope. Equal right to due process on college campuses? We literally only won that right this month.
/r/MensRights22/05/20 01:53 AM
2

Less financially well-off countries definitely tend to be more traditionalist, so I would assume that assumption is correct.
/r/MensRights21/05/20 04:17 PM
6

You could make the same argument about pedophilia or physical abuse. That doesn’t make those things okay.
/r/MensRights21/05/20 01:24 AM
2

I’m somewhat critical of some of the transgender narratives too and I agree with the points. I usually comply however just because I don’t think that the narrative usually is actively harmful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 04:28 PM
12

Thanks for sharing this! It’s been probably two or three years since I’ve read this excellent piece. I too think that’s a good quote to highlight. I’ve actually met lesbians who identify strongly with the intersectionality identity who claim that a major source of oppression is that their sexuality is assumed to be predatory. I think there’s a connection they fail to notice with the fact that desiring women sexually in general is perceived, largely due to feminist initiatives, as a predatory act…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 03:40 AM
1

r/mramemes
/r/MensRights20/05/20 02:34 AM
1

Good to know! A huge improvement over past WHO initiatives.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/20 02:40 PM
3

I'd say it's fine to get married but only if you're ABSOLUTELY SURE you're with a woman you can trust.
/r/MensRights18/05/20 01:14 AM
2

That's what I mean. They take that kind of FGM very seriously yet tell men they shouldn't take MGM as seriously.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/20 07:29 PM
8

TwoX in a nutshell. And it's still better than TrollX.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/20 02:56 PM
3

I would listen to that argument if those people also got enraged when removing the clitoral hood and just nicking the female genitalia is equated with the most severe forms of FGM - as it often is, including in the official legal definition. But most of those people don't care about that. Thus, it's hard for me to believe those people are arguing in good faith.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/20 02:54 PM
5

The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
/r/MensRights17/05/20 04:10 AM
23

Ironic given that men are actually, legitimately killed far more frequently than women.
/r/MensRights17/05/20 04:07 AM
2

Rats, I missed it. As an autistic man I find this a very interesting issue.
/r/MensRights17/05/20 04:06 AM
5

You look like little more than a troll. I’m sorry, but I don’t find you threatening.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/20 02:22 AM
21

Excellent post. I honestly agree with a lot of what you’ve said. Particularly the following statement: They've been toning down their message (from, "don't even think about men's issues that much just help women" -> "to men's issues are because men are horrible" -> "men's issues are because society is telling men to behave badly"). I have noticed exactly this trend between approximately 2014 and now. I still think “toxic masculinity” is usually assumed to come primarily from men and that the cur…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/20 11:58 PM
8

Interesting post. I’d argue that there are already parts of the so-called manosphere that have a reasonable and cohesive approach, it’s just hard to find them amidst the toxic waters. I don’t think the majority of MRAs want to, as you say, return to the 50s; on the contrary, most seem quite critical of the male provider role. Not all, but a majority. I’ve found a lot of toxicity on Reddit, but on YouTube I’ve mostly been impressed with the MRA content I’ve found.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/20 10:58 PM
2

I think the controversy was because of how much it contradicts the feminist narrative. Despite evidence to the contrary feminists like to act like girls are discriminated against in education, hence all the women in stem initiatives and female scholarships. They’re not too keen on assertions that boys deserve help in education instead.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/20 10:52 PM
8

I mostly agree with your analyses in regards to the media. Medium, which is a source that publishes information from varying perspectives, has some feminist articles as well as some articles that are more sympathetic towards MRA perspectives. Politicians rarely show any consideration towards men. The one exception that comes to my mind is Andrew Yang, who has expressed sentiments opposing circumcision, the education gap, and the mechanization of male-dominated employment fields. However, controv…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/20 08:40 PM
1

Really? From her interview on HBR I didn’t get that sense, though I’m not too familiar with social media. I certainly hope that isn’t the case because helping men shouldn’t mean being ashamed of one’s womanhood.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/20 08:37 PM
63

Another example: when Google employees demanded an investigation intending to show wage disparities hurting women, it was instead found that the wage gap was at the disadvantage of men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/20 04:21 PM
3

To be fair, the Puerto Rico legislation was only passed because a lot of people were criticizing him for not doing anything about it, at least that’s what I recall. Good points though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/20 06:56 PM
3

Men DO try to create spaces for men and have for centuries, but the women’s groups this person refers to routinely shut them down.
/r/MensRights15/05/20 02:27 PM
4

Every complete analysis I’ve seen comes to this conclusion. I can’t believe there are so many people who believe otherwise.
/r/MensRights15/05/20 02:26 PM
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I don’t even have a problem with her shirt. “May be” still acknowledges that women aren’t inherently better or worse.
/r/MensRights15/05/20 02:25 PM
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Subscribed!
/r/MensRights15/05/20 02:24 PM
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It’s almost exclusively a misandrist mantra. Even worse is the “yesallmen” response.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/20 02:22 PM
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How the fuck have we come to the point as a society where being opposed to due process rights, one of the tenants of pretty much every constitution for the last several centuries, is an acceptable political position?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/20 02:21 PM
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Yep, and I suspect the number would be even higher for sexual crimes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/20 02:20 PM
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That’s what you get after half a century of feminist ideology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/20 02:08 PM
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I’m not the first to point this out, but if we as a society continue without the presumption of innocence (as well as with the implication that actions must be taken by organizations outside of law enforcement), we have the potential to move further and further back towards lynching culture. Perhaps that focus may be more likely to sway some of the intersectional crowd.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/20 04:26 AM
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Why do you think having a foreskin sucks? In any case, if you hate it so much you have every right to get circumcised whenever you want to. As a man who was circumcised at infancy I have no way of reversing my circumcision. Yes, children should have the choice. And if circumcision really is so much healthier, why are most of the conditions it’s alleged to prevent less prevalent in Europe, where few men are circumcised?
/r/MensRights14/05/20 05:18 PM
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Why would Neo Nazis even go to men’s rights rallies? I don’t understand what their ideology even has to do with men.
/r/MensRights14/05/20 03:59 PM
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Generally a good list.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 03:11 PM
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There’s a bit of that here, but I don’t think most people are saying that men have always had everything worse. They’re simply explaining why there’s more nuance to the world than just “women have always historically had it worse”. Sometimes people sway a little too far in the other direction, but you’re falling into the same trap feminists do when you’re arguing that we have to change our behaviors to better suit your worldview. History is more complicated than it’s often told to be and it’s fa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 02:39 PM
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Wait a minute. Feminists are strongly opposed to slut shaming. They argue that it’s perfectly fine for women to be as promiscuous as they want without meeting judgement. But when men are promiscuous, it’s toxic. Double standard much?
/r/MensRights14/05/20 12:57 AM
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Thanks for your reply. It’s very well reasoned. I particularly find your second point interesting, and I concede that within the context of home life there’s a strong argument that a man was advantaged. Having said that, I don’t necessarily agree with all of what you say about agency. For the average worker, I don’t think risking your life in a coal mine necessarily yields any likelihood for extensive agency or power. Maybe some, but not necessarily a significant amount that compensates the dang…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/20 11:18 PM
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I agree with your assertion that we shouldn’t be trying to compete for who had it worse. However, I don’t understand why you think being forced to work is inherently better than being forced to stay at home, particularly given that surveys have routinely shown that men and women alike find the latter more appealing as well as the fact that work back then was literally deadly for a majority of people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/20 10:43 PM
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Not a fan of these sorts of jokes. I suspect they’ll do more to alienate people from men’s initiatives than to get them interested.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/20 03:19 PM
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Lol minorities aren’t even a sex
/r/MensRights13/05/20 03:18 PM
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Feminists make merchandise clearly saying “believe all women”, yet apparently it’s just a strawman created by antifeminists? I call bullshit.
/r/MensRights12/05/20 07:46 PM
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If he ends up hating being intact, he can consent to be circumcised later in his life. If he hates being circumcised, he’s out of luck. Even assuming the ridiculous things people claim about being intact are true, he can easily change it.
/r/MensRights12/05/20 07:42 PM
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Though she probably wouldn't identify as one, my mom has strongly MRA sensibilities too. She's long been bothered by feminist hypocrisy, false accusations, and the like.
/r/MensRights12/05/20 04:34 PM
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Reported.
/r/MensRights12/05/20 02:28 AM
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Nice to hear! Yeah, I’ve had success with some of those things as well. Most of the people I talked to were sort of reluctant to acknowledge those issues and certainly wouldn’t use them to question the idea that men are the privileged ones, but it’s hard to actually argue with statements like those ones which are objective and provable facts. I’m curious; how many people have you talked to about this when you say “all the time?” It always interests me to hear how many people might be sympathetic…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/20 09:43 PM
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If I am never promoted, it’s not because of my sex. Actually with affirmative action policies, it may well be. If I fail in my job or career, I can feel sure this won’t be seen as a black mark against my entire sex’s capabilities. Have you read any feminist media articles on Trump? Clearly not true. I am far less likely to face sexual harassment at work than my female co-workers are. Given how murky the definition of “sexual harassment” is, this is very hard to quantify. If I do the same task as…
/r/MensRights11/05/20 06:46 AM
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The right to due process in some cases Reproductive rights Custody rights in many cases Genital integrity rights The right to vote without potentially sacrificing themselves for the draft
/r/MensRights11/05/20 06:19 AM
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I upvoted for your honesty and I acknowledge that misogynists do latch on to men’s rights causes. Having said that, I think you are overgeneralizing. There are misogynists at r/MensRights but in my experience they are not the majority. There a lot of MRA YouTubers, most notably the Honey Badgers, who IMO discuss men’s issues through a perfectly civil and egalitarian lens despite having nothing to do with this sub. I agree that some misogynists identify with the MRM but I admit I disagree with th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/20 04:16 AM
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In theory I agree. However, consider that the MRM derived from fathers’ rights movement as well as Erin Pizzey-led domestic violence activism. Neither of those groups began with explicitly anti-feminist goals. However, both groups were smeared and attacked by the feminist movement. So at least historically, feminist hostility towards men’s rights groups actually predates the inverse. Don’t get me wrong, I agree that the focus on feminism tends to be counterintuitive sometimes. However, the commo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/20 04:12 AM
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As others have pointed out, the empathy gap. Also, the fact that the media constantly smears it doesn’t help. I agree that a lot of MRAs spend more time complaining online than doing actual activism, but the same is true of, I’d wager, the majority of feminists, BLM advocates, and members of other groups which have been much more successful. So I disagree with the comments that present men’s issues as flawed solely because of the methods. I think it relates to the fact that men, being held to a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/20 02:02 AM
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I get your argument in theory, but in practice feminism is currently the biggest hindrance to men’s rights. Feminism is what pushes systems that reward false accusers. Feminism is what has routinely prevented shared custody bills that had bipartisan support. Feminism is what promotes the narrative used to justify the lack of men’s domestic violence funding. I agree that there’s sometimes a counterproductive focus on the movement within the MRM, but I don’t think it’s possible to just stop talkin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/20 01:54 AM
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I’ve openly known a woman (a staunch feminist, no less) who had no problem showing nudes of her BF to her female friends without his consent.
/r/MensRights11/05/20 01:35 AM
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The difference is, most feminists frame toxic masculinity as a primarily internal issue which can be solved by just getting in touch with your feminine side and learning to deprogram yourself. This person (whom I agree with) argues that it’s a primarily external issue and that no amount of getting in touch with your emotions will help since the world will only ignore or even bully you for it. That’s the differentiator, which seems to be lost on SelfAwarewolves and similar subs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/20 05:32 PM
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I mostly see that phrase used as a way to demonize male sexuality. I’ve met basically no man who actually feels entitled to women’s bodies. Indeed, men are told all their lives that they need to be strong, hard working, and self sacrificial in order to even consider the prospect of getting a woman. And even then he’s expected to continuously exemplify those traits lest she leave him, and hopefully he is also tall and muscular. Under those parameters I think it takes a special kind of dysfunction…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/20 02:47 PM
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Maybe in some instances, but I don't think as a rule that's true. I think in general it's because they know people will bully them and use it as leverage against them. I've met few men who genuinely are afraid of looking weak and many who are afraid of what people will do to them if they engage in behaviors that might not be considered masculine. I don't think it's about weakness as much as it's about protecting oneself, as well as the understanding that it is probably futile. Of course, that's …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/20 04:12 AM
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The point of the post is that your first assertion, that not expressing emotions stems from fear of being weak or feminine, is often untrue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/20 03:44 AM
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To the people here arguing that this is still toxic masculinity, keep in mind that as a whole people tend to place the blame on these sorts of behaviors solely or primarily on men. They acknowledge that women can theoretically encourage it but utterly refuse to admit that they, and external rather than internal factors as a whole, may be among the main reasons why men tend not to be emotionally expressive. Additionally, I take issue with the very term “toxic masculinity” because it can be easily…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/20 02:16 AM
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Ugh, Michael Kimmel is a disgusting person. I honestly wonder if he has some sort of psychological issue going on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/20 02:11 AM
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Sounds like another way of misdirecting class issues into gender issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/20 05:59 AM
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I think it’s mostly just a way to avoid misgendering, since most of those people are also into trans activism. IMO it’s slightly pointless but ultimately not anything too troubling.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/20 05:54 AM
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Right, but that was his revised statement. Initially he suggested he was outright opposed to circumcision.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/20 04:29 AM
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The only one that comes to mind for me is Andrew Yang speaking against circumcision... which of course he had to take back because of controversy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/20 05:31 PM
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Yeah, it’s unsettling to say the least. The fact that you get labeled a horrible person with no morals for disagreeing with anything that isn’t the status quo is sickening, and would have been squarely against the values of the left in the past.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/20 05:30 PM
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It's telling that everything they're saying to prove they care about men revolves around policing and changing men's behavior. It reminds me of European colonists in the past. "Trust me, I care about (natives/men)! I think they have the potential to be functional human beings, and we know we can change their savage ways and shape them into our superior image! See, we don't hate them!"
/r/AntiFeminists08/05/20 12:49 AM
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Gynocentrism in action.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/20 06:46 PM
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Really? Hmm, I always supported those rules. I definitely am in favor of inserting them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/20 01:59 AM
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No it isn’t. Most of the problems here stem from the same person who was mentioned by another user as well as another person with a similar name (a sock puppet perhaps?)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/20 01:58 AM
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Agreed. I was waiting for someone to acknowledge this. It’s mostly just the work of a few people but since this sub is still small, it’s been enough to bring the quality of this sub far below what it was a few weeks ago.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/20 08:53 PM
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I’ve tried opening up before too and like you, it’s rarely been successful. I have one friend who was and still is very supportive. Another, a staunch feminist, instead lectured me about being emotionally inconsiderate towards her and about my feeling entitled to be overly comfortable in life. I’ve been told, exclusively by women, that I needed to man up and stop being so fragile, while men mostly just ignored me. I tried talking to my school counselor back in middle school. She basically reiter…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/20 06:39 PM
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God, these people see oppression everywhere.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/20 02:10 PM
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You’re incorrect in your assessment, or at least only partially correct. Most people will see a man who does the same as a pervert and a creep and your movement only reinforces those notions. At the same time it glorifies women and all women, regardless of the fact that the vast majority of slut shaming is done by other women. We’re against your kind of feminism because it is hypocritical and has a very shallow basis in reality.
/r/AntiFeminists06/05/20 06:24 AM
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The education system has been blatantly gynocentric for a while and it only seems to be getting more so. I worry about the futures of today’s boys.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/20 03:06 AM
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I didn’t outright lose any friends for being interested in men’s issues, but I did lessen my relationship with someone because of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/20 08:09 PM
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I would agree, yes. I don’t even know how one could argue otherwise.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/20 04:43 PM
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AskMen has very unfair mods, I agree with that. Having said that, they usually just archive threads they don’t like, as opposed to deleting them like MensLib does. That puts AskMen a step above it IMO.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/20 01:06 AM
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I feel the same way. Even in elementary school, I always felt much, much less encouraged and celebrated than my female classmates. To me it seems like the assumption they boys are so regularly encouraged and celebrated comes from no place other than the unproven patriarchy theory.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/20 07:20 PM
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I worry about anyone who she’s assigned to work with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/20 04:39 PM
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Good list. In your Honey Badger Radio section I’d recommend adding Badger Live Streams which seems to be the channel they use the most nowadays. I’d also suggest adding Cassie Jaye, the director of The Red Pill who has uploaded the raw footage of all of her interviews for the film. Oh, and we might as well also mention Kursat Christoff Pekgoz, an activist against Title IX abuses. He hasn’t uploaded much but he does have some interesting content. Finally, we mustn’t forget Dr. Warren Farrell, who…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/20 02:57 PM
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And the scary thing is, there are people who still advocate for making school more girl-centric.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/20 02:36 PM
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Good post. I understand why people like Paul may want to focus on glorifying traditional masculinity, given that it’s been demonized so much lately. But it’s important not to force men into the difficulties that come with masculinity. Ultimately we should respect and celebrate masculinity while also respecting and celebrating men who choose to defy traditional roles.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/20 02:35 PM
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Not a fan of the title; sounds rage bait-y. Troubling story and I’m glad you shared it though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/20 05:07 AM
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I’ve seen some people assert that the trend of men being assumed to be pedophiles is an MRA lie with no basis in reality. This is a good example to debunk that claim.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/20 05:06 AM
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We all know this story by now. No need to constantly post outrage porn about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/20 05:03 AM
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The other thing about “pervert” and similar insults like “creep” is that they disproportionately are used to shame socially awkward men, i.e. autistic men. This is very troubling to me.
/r/MensRights03/05/20 02:32 AM
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Good point. It’s fascinating how good feminists are at twisting the truth to make the same general kind of trends have different meanings depending on what’s convenient to them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/20 02:29 AM
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We’re not against men being feminine. We agree that non traditional personalities should be acceptable in men. The thing is, feminists go one step further and say that femininity is the only acceptable personality for men to have. They paint masculinity as toxic and inherently wrong, and are fighting to remove it as an acceptable male behavior. That’s what we mean when we refer to a crisis in masculinity. We don’t mean men should have to be masculine, we mean they should be allowed to.
/r/MensRights02/05/20 01:45 AM
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“Accidentally have sex”? God, this gives women a pathetically low amount of agency even by feminist standards.
/r/MensRights02/05/20 01:40 AM
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You’re correct in your guess.
/r/MensRights01/05/20 06:15 PM
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There will be a difference, but not as stark a difference as between men and women.
/r/MensRights01/05/20 02:28 AM
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The legal definition of rape excludes victims of female perpetrators (I.e. most male victims). When this is taken into account rape isn’t all that gendered.
/r/MensRights01/05/20 02:27 AM
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42,170 women die from breast cancer each year. Do you think that’s in and of itself a valid reason to cut girls’ breasts off without their consent?
/r/MensRights01/05/20 02:25 AM
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Yeah, I tend to agree. Ben Shapiro strikes me as a SJW who happens to have different views from the average SJW.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/20 06:12 PM
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I’d say it’s probably slightly more right than left. Having said that it never struck me as “very right wing”.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/20 06:10 PM
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I like the quote “but that’s not exactly cause for celebration.” Because apparently if men actually were most affected that would be reason to celebrate?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/20 06:09 PM
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Very disturbing statistic but not at all surprising.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/20 08:02 PM
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My mom told me growing up that she was taught the same thing in school. She doubted it was true but wasn’t totally sure.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/20 08:01 PM
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Wow, it’s astounding just how dysfunctional the kangaroo court systems in colleges are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/20 07:58 PM
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This exactly. And there’s far too little acknowledgment about how misandrist TERFs are. They’re usually just dismissed as transphobic despite the fact that this transphobia stems directly from misandry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/20 08:50 PM
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I think they had the potential to be good movements. Sexual violence is obviously a valid issue to discuss. However, gendering it and removing due process makes such movements extremely toxic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/20 10:15 PM
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Yep. And men of other ethnicities get even longer sentences.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/20 04:35 PM
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That sub is shit anyway. It’s a massive echo chamber and it’s very hard not to get banned there.
/r/MensRights27/04/20 06:50 AM
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Not a fan of the pro male collective. They ban anyone who mildly disagrees with them. Basically they’re slightly less blue pilled versions of SJWs.
/r/MensRights26/04/20 11:21 PM
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The weird thing is, r/TrueOffMyChest used to be an anti feminist/anti SJW sub. I’ve noticed that in the last couple months the pink pill/FDS types have kind of invaded it though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/20 11:10 PM
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Karens can be feminists but yeah, they aren’t inherently so.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/20 05:52 PM
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Maybe a little too industrial with the gear, but I love the direction you’re taking!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/20 02:54 AM
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I don’t think the draft should exist at all. But if it has to exist, I do think women should be eligible. Maybe not on the front lines given that women on average are physically weaker than men, but perhaps for medical roles or similar things.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/20 02:53 AM
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I’m a current psychology student. One of my professors is a tradcon and is seemingly anti feminist but I don’t agree with him on much else. Most of my other psychology professors are extremely feminist though to the point that they’ve assigned studies that unironically use the term “emotional labor”. I get the sense most of the other students are okay, but as tends to be the case in situations like this, the more radical students are definitely the ones who talk the most.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/20 03:40 PM
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That seems to be the case with a lot of the prominent feminists. That's a big part of what drew me to the MRM; I found its discussions about feminism were much truer to my experiences with the movement that the reverse,
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/20 11:08 AM
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I get the sense AITA favors women in general, but it's more prominent that it just assumes that almost no OP is the asshole.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/20 11:06 AM
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Peak AITA.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/20 11:05 AM
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I used to be a regular there. I was never totally on board with their ideology but before I knew anything about the MRM I assumed MensLib was the lesser evil. So I left as soon as I actually observed MRA subs and realized I could fight for my rights without always having bow down to women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/20 03:46 AM
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Excellent advice. I’m going to take the effort to write to the people whose views on gender dynamics are impressive/unimpressive to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/20 03:41 AM
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Classic MensLib. I don’t miss that place.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/20 03:38 AM
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It seems to me that men are not only OK with this change, they actively support it and I cannot figure out why. Can someone help me understand? Biological gynocentrism, I’m guessing. Men tend to have an instinct to please women, so when an influential women’s group tells men they have to be ashamed for doing the same things which are supposedly good for women to do, a lot of men just accept it even if they take issue with it. I’m right on board with you by the way. There’s a huge double standard…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/20 04:54 AM
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There’s something fascinating and pleasing about seeing the same MRA arguments common today written in the eloquence of early twentieth century language.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/20 02:52 AM
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The claims that the military and similar organizations discriminate against men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/20 01:37 AM
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Yes it’s true and it’s very disturbing. It’s because circumcision makes doctors a ton of money and they care more about getting richer than about human rights.
/r/MensRights23/04/20 01:26 AM
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You’re wrong about many things but you’re right about this one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/20 01:22 AM
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Women ate incredibly safe walking down the street relative to men. People like her are fucking delusional.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 05:54 PM
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I’m so sorry to hear this. I really hope things improve for you soon.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 05:52 PM
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Is this a fucking troll??
/r/MensRights22/04/20 05:51 PM
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I’ve seen a lot of different people who identify as MGTOW. Some are traditionalists and even misogynists, while others seem more reasonable. Ultimately I think MGTOWs are mostly harmless.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/20 05:50 PM
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It’s fascinating how many people justify blaming and demonizing men for a phenomenon that overwhelmingly hurts men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/20 05:48 PM
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“Misconceived equality” = the kind of equality that disadvantages women
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/20 05:47 PM
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One of the stupidest claims I’ve ever seen the social justice crowd make. Black men are overwhelmingly targeted by violence and crime, but apparently they’re the privileged ones?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/20 05:46 PM
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When I was in high school and a feminist in my class genuinely expressed anger at the concept of men having any gender-specific issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/20 05:45 PM
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I’m in college and I have indeed heard multiple people say that white men should stay silent when minority/women’s rights are discussed. I’ve never heard it argued in other contexts, though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/20 07:31 AM
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Agreed. If you want to rant about a dumb online feminist, we have r/SRSsucks and r/TumblrInAction for that. I enjoy those subs in moderation myself but ultimately there are more important issues to talk about.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/20 04:48 AM
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Ah, that makes sense. Yeah, I do like her stances on men’s issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/20 04:43 AM
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​ 1. What is Men's rights activism? Men’s rights activism refers to the fight for legal and social equality for the issues facing men and boys. This includes many things including equal support for male victims of suicide and domestic violence, ending medically unnecessary circumcision, abolishing the draft, and ensuring due process for men accused of sex crimes, among other things. 2.What are Men's Rights ideologies? Unlike feminism men’s rights are not bound in any particular ideology, a la pa…
/r/MensRights22/04/20 04:42 AM
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I don’t hate her, she just is a little too traditionalist for my taste.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/20 04:26 AM
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I don’t generally like Sydney but that is a good breakdown.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/20 04:23 AM
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This worries me especially because its primary audience is impressionable young children who aren’t too capable of thinking critically about what they should accept from others.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/20 04:22 AM
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Ugh, that’s college for you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/20 04:20 AM
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Men’s rights is already intersectional. Issues facing black men and gay men particularly come up a lot. Of course, our version of intersectionality is much more nuanced than the feminist “woman + black + gay + etc = more oppressed” narrative.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 04:10 AM
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What the fuck is this, GenderCritical? FDS? This is insane even by feminist standards.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 04:08 AM
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Excellent post. I’ve saved it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/20 02:52 PM
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Catcalling Okay, sure. Catcalling is wrong, we can agree with that. It’s not as bad as feminists say it is but it’s still bad. Not being the stay at home “dad” Oh, so men aren’t allowed to live life the way they want to? Also, I thought it was oppressive for women to stay at home. How come it’s good when men do it? Mansplaining This word is so overused that it’s practically meaningless. Most uses of the word I’ve seen have nothing to do with gender. Not letting the girl ask you out I’ve never me…
/r/MensRights21/04/20 02:47 PM
5

I’m a registered Democrat and tend to favor the party over the Republicans, though I admit I’ve gotten increasingly frustrated with the party in the last few years.
/r/MensRights20/04/20 08:21 PM
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I don’t think society will collapse. I do think there’s going to have to be a lot of reform in the next few decades for things to get back on track. But as a species we tend to find ways of dealing with crises before they get too out of hand.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/20 08:18 PM
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Yeah, I’m largely tired of it. I’d support a more neutral “women are free to go into STEM if they want to” approach but painting STEM as inherently misogynistic and disallowing the idea of any possibility that men might be naturally more inclined to gravitate towards STEM fields (something which there is lots of biological and social evidence towards) is grating to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/20 08:17 PM
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They answered your question. How are they trolling?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/20 08:14 PM
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The fact that this is said by something called "equality now" genuinely angers me.
/r/MensRights20/04/20 05:52 AM
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What do you think the penis is made of?
/r/MensRights20/04/20 05:52 AM
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Good point. You’re right, feminism has done plenty of good things for women. That said, I’d argue a lot of good things the movement have done end up having a net harm on society. Not all, to be fair, but a lot.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/20 06:18 PM
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I have lots of positives to say about feminism AND lots of negatives to say about feminists. Out of curiosity, what sorts of positives?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/20 04:31 PM
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This exactly. Women should absolutely have the right to work, but the idea that most people find their careers fulfilling and empowering is ludicrous.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 02:29 PM
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I could be wrong but besides getting money from Honey Badger Radio (another great men’s rights channel BTW) I think she’s a waitress?
/r/MensRights19/04/20 02:27 PM
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Exactly my experience. I’ve had people promise they’d listen to me open up, only to ghost me when I tried texting them about it.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 02:25 PM
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The Prim Reaper is another great YouTuber I recommend who tends to be more analytical than the others as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/20 01:54 PM
6

You also post to r/Conservative, a subreddit that outright bans people who aren’t conservative.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/20 05:57 AM
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Try looking at this sub’s sidebar. It does a good job of explaining the issues men and boys face.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 05:17 AM
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Excellent post. I tend to feel the same way. As soon as an ideology tries to suppress opinions and facts that contract it, it’s fundamentally incompatible with leftism as it is intended to be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/20 05:15 AM
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Surely you can use a more meaningful insult than “far left”? Being farther on the left isn’t inherent wrong.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/20 04:08 AM
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Not really focusing on the main point, i.e. that they’re highly misandrist on FDS. Definitely not supportive though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/20 04:07 AM
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Hmm, first things first, "patriarchy" is a difficult thing to disprove because it can pretty much mean anything a feminist wants it to. Having said that, there's plenty of data that challenges the idea of a culture that favors men. There is a lot of evidence that a lot of women just aren't interested in STEM jobs. In general, women prefer working with people and men prefer working with things. In fact, in countries with more gender equality, women are less likely to engage in STEM fields. There …
/r/MensRights18/04/20 06:25 PM
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Eh, it’s almost impossible to please AHS. Not too worried myself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/20 04:17 PM
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Just try to judge a woman’s character before having sex with her. Also, maybe record her consent.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 12:47 PM
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It fascinates me how little awareness people like her have towards the extent to which men aren’t allowed to put themselves first. Not saying that doesn’t happen to women but it’s definitely worse for men.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 12:45 PM
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A LOT of feminist views on masculinity strike me as coming from ‘80s movies.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:26 PM
4

I genuinely don’t remember a time in my life when I didn’t recognize I was disposable. Definitely by kindergarten I was aware of that.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:16 PM
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Women’s rights are important. However, feminism has routinely fought against men’s rights for half a century. It is not a good movement.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:13 PM
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The funny thing is, they call people racist if they make the same argument about minorities. Which is bad argument IMO, but why is making it about men any different?
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:12 PM
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This.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/20 02:57 PM
3

Obligatory “he comforted a female rapist” reference
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/20 03:04 AM
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Nor does she mention how many of the women are using their husbands’ higher incomes to their advantage, to the point that women have greater spending power than men.
/r/AntiFeminists17/04/20 02:04 AM
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Are men the ones raped, beaten, used and abused by women? Yes.
/r/AntiFeminists17/04/20 01:57 AM
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Confident women usually aren’t convinced that a guy who smiles in the distance is going to rape her.
/r/AntiFeminists17/04/20 01:54 AM
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I was friends with a feminist for a bit in high school. I was a shy, socially awkward, mildly autistic guy who really struggled to open up, so I politely asked if she’d maybe be willing to sometimes take the effort to initiate a conversation with me when I was sitting alone or just looking a little down. She absolutely flipped out and told me that it wasn’t her responsibility to make sure I was doing okay, and if I was feeling bad I was the one who had to speak up. They made me feel even worse a…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 03:52 PM
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If a woman doesn’t like how her male friend treats him, the best thing to do is let him know that. The vast, vast majority of the time he’ll take the effort to adjust his behaviors to make her more comfortable. Feminism and its emphasis on victimhood, as opposed to actually standing up to perfectly changeable situations, hurts women and men alike.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 03:49 PM
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No, our belief in free speech is part of what makes us better than people like them.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 02:12 PM
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Eh, not a fan of that phrase for the same reason I dislike the phrase “toxic masculinity”: it can easily be construed by outsiders as an attack on a gender.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 02:11 PM
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Wow, I’m jealous of people there. Fuck America and its sick obsession with infant knife rape.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 02:10 PM
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There is somthing about circumcission which makes its proponents almsot fanatical in promoting it. It seems to me that most pro-cutter extremists are either circumcised men or women who have circumcised their children. My theory is that they have themselves convinced that circumcision is absolutely vital and life saving because if they didn’t have that justification, they’d be forced to come to terms with the fact that they’ve experienced/caused a massive human rights violation. As a side note, …
/r/MensRights16/04/20 02:09 PM
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Good god. They think women are incapable of doing bad things without the influence of men. But remember, feminists aren’t anti-male! /s
/r/MensRights16/04/20 02:06 PM
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Of course. Men and boys tend to receive harsher sentences for the same crimes, lower grades for the same schoolwork, more stigmatization for showing the same emotions, more pressure to sacrifice time from their lives, and less support for sexual and domestic abuse than women. That’s absolutely sexism.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 02:06 PM
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This looks like shitty right wing propaganda to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/20 12:01 PM
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Eh, not true in my experience. It’s always been men who don’t care either way. By contrast I’ve found women have very polarized reactions. Some of them have been incredibly kind and empathetic, while others have been vicious and mean to me when I try to express my emotions. Some flip flop between the two.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 03:38 AM
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I heard both boys and girls saying those things as jokes back in high school. It was always a joke though, no one I’ve met genuinely believes that they’re lucky. I think it’s more a way to try to make light of a disturbing situation than genuine acceptance of it.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 03:35 AM
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I only trust politicians who don’t use their gender as a get-out-of-accountability-free card.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 03:34 AM
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Did you actually read the article?
/r/MensRights16/04/20 01:50 AM
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Good god, how the fuck do they take an issue as awful as men getting raped and make it into an excuse to bash men?
/r/MensRights15/04/20 11:42 PM
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They always make the claim that it’s almost exclusively men who claim men are “lucky” to be raped. I’ve yet to see any data confirming or even implying this. In my anecdotal experience it’s about 50/50. I’ll believe it’s mostly men when I actually see evidence, but given that I’ve yet to see any I can’t help but doubt it.
/r/MensRights15/04/20 11:42 PM
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What the fuck? Most of those are either neutral (so what if leaders have been men? How does that benefit a person?) or outright ludicrous (how the fuck is it a privilege to not be a virgin but to want to be in a relationship with a virgin?) Infuriating that feminists think it’s okay to make a privilege checklist for one of the groups that’s the most prone to legal and social discrimination.
/r/MensRights15/04/20 12:05 PM
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Slavery too. Yet somehow we have take its word on genital mutilation.
/r/MensRights15/04/20 03:00 AM
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The funny thing is, the experience I've had with acquaintances indicates the opposite.
/r/MensRights15/04/20 01:52 AM
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Of course men commit nearly all the rapes if the legal definition of rape excludes nearly all female perpetrators.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/20 05:18 PM
3

Perfect summery of my issues with feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/20 12:39 PM
3

This is peak r/SRSsucks material.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/20 12:34 PM
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Right. Toxic masculinity is what claims that all men want sex. Not the entire movement that profits off of making women feel like victims because a man said hello to them.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 12:15 AM
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What angers me the most is the fact that she specifically mentions how her work is empowering to women. Because who cares about the boys, right?!
/r/MensRights13/04/20 06:02 PM
17

Wow, this is an important moment for the intactividt cause.
/r/MensRights13/04/20 12:20 PM
0

At least you’re more honest than most.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 06:19 PM
5

I don’t think there’s any one place that all MRAs stand in. I for one am center-left and am very critical of Trump.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 06:18 PM
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Women have the right to hypergamy. I don’t think it’s reasonable to act like this isn’t allowed, since it’s within women’s rights to happiness. Having said that, men also have the right to refrain from the system and choose a job that satisfies them more even if they don’t make much money. I think hypergamy should be seen as acceptable but it should not be seen as necessary for relationships, as it currently is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/20 05:59 PM
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Thanks for this. Those posts drive me crazy. They really cheapen the effect of this sub.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 03:39 PM
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I’ve known women who have the whole “not like the other girls” personality. Most of them were bullied mercilessly by “cool” girls and faced a lot of passive aggression and rejection. I think blaming those things on all women is wrong just as feminists blaming bad men on all men is wrong. However, I do understand what would motivate women from wanting to distance themselves from some women. I think part of the reasons feminists are so offended by the phenomenon is that it highlights the blasphemo…
/r/MensRights12/04/20 03:37 PM
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I think there can be negative aspects of masculinity and femininity but I don’t think “toxic” is a productive term. It’s unnecessarily hurtful and derogatory. There are also negative aspects of traditional black and Muslim cultures, and no one thinks “toxic blackness” and “toxic Islam” are acceptable terms.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 05:34 AM
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What’s wrong with women’s rights?
/r/MensRights12/04/20 05:32 AM
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Can you find for me any man who was murdered for being a witch, please? Because that is uniquely female. And thousands were killed throughout the world by Protestants and Catholics. A few examples: George Burroughs Giles Corey Jean Delvaux Thomas Doughty) Urbain Grandier Bertrand Guilladot George Jacobs, Sr.) Johannes Junius Oh dear god. The majority of votes on abortion laws are NOT women. Women vote The people putting these laws together are men OR Evangelical/Christian Fundamentalists. Since …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/20 01:49 AM
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I remember one time they just did a “toxic masculinity” “men are allowed to cry” post. You wouldn’t believe just how many angry comments they got for daring to acknowledge men.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 10:17 PM
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I didn’t expect to like this article because “male entitlement” is a very misandrist phrase for the most part. Indeed, I don’t think sexual violence is usually the result of “entitlement”; rather, I think it’s more due to resentment and anger. Nor do I think it’s especially gendered. However I think it makes surprisingly good points, particularly regarding the fact that men who are secure and mentally stable are not the ones who tend to behave in abusive ways. I also like the emphasis on men not…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/20 05:18 PM
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Patriarchal societies were oppressive to women and children, such that they had no voting rights or legal representation. That’s because voting rights came with responsibilities. Responsibilities to essentially volunteer to die in war or labor. Women didn’t have the rights men had, sure, but they didn’t have the immense responsibilities either. They couldn’t inherit property or even own property. It depends on the society. In societies where that is true, this meant that if they misused money an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/20 04:58 PM
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Good god, this is disgusting. A perfect example of the zero sum game feminist fallacy that MRAs always talk about.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 03:09 PM
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Exactly. Telling people to look out for themselves isn’t “victim blaming”. That’s the thing; if you were walking in a very poor, crime-ridden part of town in a very expensive suit and got mugged, no one would say that it was victim blaming to say “be more careful where you walk dressed like that”. Rape and sexual assault are the only crimes for which the victim can’t have any agency at all.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 11:39 PM
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Some of those are fair. Some, like “you lead him on”, “he would never do that”, and “you never said no” may or may not be fair depending on the context. I’ve NEVER heard anyone actually say “boys will be boys” in regards to rape. Also it’s far more gendered than this issue should be presented as.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 10:35 PM
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The same as murder, robbery, fraud, etc. trials already look. Our legal system isn’t perfect but it’s about as good as you can hope for. We shouldn’t change the rules for one specific crime.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 10:01 PM
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See, I don’t agree about that. Women have ALWAYS had a lot of social power. Look at times like the prohibition, which was incited almost entirely by women. Look at the lynchings in the early 20th century, which were primarily based on women’s accusations. Look at the tender years doctrine, which began the corruption of custody cases and which was enforced at the demands of women. Look at the fact that women can vote without conscription, something which was championed almost exclusively by wealt…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/20 05:49 PM
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No they’re not. Again women have a lot of social power and they have huge influence over which laws get passed, being the majority of the voting base. I don’t deny men have a lot of responsibility for those issues, but it’s not only men. Besides, why does it matter which people cause them? The point is that we want to reform them regardless.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/20 05:27 PM
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Good god, why is the media so allergic to praising men?
/r/MensRights10/04/20 02:18 PM
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Yeah, from what I understand, in the Middle East FGM is most strongly pushed by women who themselves were mutilated. Not unlike circumcision culture here in the US.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 02:16 PM
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Disgusting. I’m half Jewish and a dedicated intactivist. It’s disgusting how some of the same people who champion the “my body, my choice” cause don’t think men have the right to complain about medically unnecessary, sexually damaging surgery inflicted upon them without their consent.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 02:13 PM
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MRAs dislike feminism, not women. They’re not the same thing. And most men’s issues are caused by society as a whole. Not just men, not just women. A lot of people cite the fact that most leaders are men to prove that men cause most problems. They neglect to take into account that leaders must to an extent do what satisfies the voters, the majority of whom are women. They also fail to acknowledge the immense social power women have. No, men’s issues aren’t caused by exclusively women, but they a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/20 02:11 PM
3

Do you also consider Barack Obama white then?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/20 02:03 PM
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Let’s see: India is rife will false rape accusations against men. This has been backed up by research and is not simply a conspiracy theory. So-called “male-centric” countries usually treat men very badly too. For instance: Male genital mutilation is practiced everywhere FGM is Men are drafted into violent conflicts against their will Child support laws give huge, inhumane penalties to men who fail to meet economic expectations Murders of men are very common Young boys are regularly forced into …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/20 01:45 AM
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Have you ever actually seen The Red Pill? The point of the documentary is to show her moving past that mindset.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/20 12:02 AM
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I have a relative who fought in World War II. 75 years later, he’s nearing the end of this life and he STILL suffers from PTSD. The idea that he isn’t brave is truly sickening to me.
/r/AntiFeminists09/04/20 08:58 PM
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Good god. Not only are they deifying women who engage in basic human responsibilities, now they’re explicitly shaming the men who have sacrificed their lives to keep the rest of us safe. Fucking disgusting
/r/AntiFeminists09/04/20 08:56 PM
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Funny how they used to emphasize the fact that sexuality isn’t a choice. Once most people came to accept that, they turned the tables and decided it is indeed a choice and if you don’t choose to change your sexuality you’re a bigot.
/r/AntiFeminists09/04/20 08:54 PM
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Without a doubt. They despise vegans and autistic people there too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/20 07:21 PM
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They really aren't well intentioned, if they were they would be at the very least allowing the same issues to be discussed as here. It's not just the fact they're obviously a bunch of self-hating male feminists that attack men constantly to virtue signal to feminists they will literally shut down any conversation about serious topics that implicate women in any way. I agree in terms of the mods. That said, I think a lot of more causal users are slightly blue pilled but still genuinely think they…
/r/MensRights09/04/20 03:42 AM
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Occasional good content and I think plenty of users are well intentioned. However, the sub is so committed in patriarchy theory and feminist pseudoscience, and is so obsessed with the idea that women have it worse than men in almost any given situation, that as a whole its laughably bad at addressing men’s issues. Its approach usually boils down to shaming and blaming men for their own issues as well as women’s issues, the latter of which are usually prioritized. This is only exasperated by the …
/r/MensRights09/04/20 03:15 AM
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This is unnecessarily mean and condescending. False accusations exist without a doubt, but saying that “most women that claim they were raped are lying” is just as stupid as saying that no women ever lie about rape.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 02:15 AM
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Funny how any physical standards men have are predatory and objectifying, yet women’s physical standards must be satisfied even it goes directly against men’s will.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/20 08:32 PM
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Good point. Having said that feminists have no qualms talking about violations to the rights of women and girls, so I can’t help but feel like gender isn’t totally irrelevant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/20 08:29 PM
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I feel like a big part of it is that acknowledging circumcision as a massive human rights violation would lead to a situation that’s been going on nearly unchallenged for a century in the developed world where males are indisputably the bigger victims. This is highly threatening to the woman-worsting ideology. Edit: I’ve also seen arguments in sensationalist Vice-style publications that essentially boil down to “I like circumcised dicks better so it’s unfair to me if you ban the procedure.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/20 07:29 PM
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Vice also happens to be the publication that seems obsessed with demonizing the MRM for daring to have a conference every time it puts one on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/20 06:24 PM
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Yeah, I’ve read that article before and it never made any sense to me. Why wouldn’t fine touch be relevant in sex?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/20 04:58 PM
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The original quote honestly makes my blood boil. I’ve talked to many women who emphasize that they do not see unknown men as creeps or deep fear about smiling at them. My mom even always emphasized to me that the best way to make a stranger know you’re friendly is by smiling at them. (Lol) I absolutely despise how feminists genuinely think they have the authority to speak for what every woman thinks.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 12:12 AM
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What is this, pinkpill?
/r/MensRights07/04/20 11:57 PM
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I remember one AskWoman thread where someone asked if the “believe all women” narrative had any limitations. All the comments were saying no, absolutely not. One woman was saying that she used to agree but after a close friend of hers faced a false accusation, she came to support a more “trust but verify” narrative. This comment was massively downvoted. It’s honestly kind of hilarious how much of an angry echo chamber that sub is. By contrast AskMen probably has a moderate anti-feminist bent in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/20 08:37 PM
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That’s a crying shame. I really want to support BLM, and unlike feminism I agree with pretty much all of the issues they say their movement stands for. However, they seem to have the same problem as other “woke” groups where they sometimes focus more on winning the Oppression Olympics than on actually trying to work towards meaningful change.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/20 08:28 PM
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It’s partly because believing in the whole patriarchy narrative gives some of them a perverse sense of power, of being the ones in control of everyone else.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/20 08:25 PM
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Plenty of them are. My mom always highly resented that victimhood mindset. I think there are plenty of other women who are tired of it too, though many are afraid to speak out in fear of being called gender traitors and internalized misogynists. In particular, my understanding is that a lot of working class women don’t like being told they need to feel personally ruined by feminist-emphasized microagressions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/20 02:26 PM
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Abolishing the military is ludicrous. We need someone to protect us from potential threats to our securities. I’m all for the rest though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/20 02:22 AM
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I’m on Lexapro and don’t have much of a sex drive, but honestly I didn’t have much of one even before I became medicated.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/20 11:58 PM
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There are organizations like CAFE and NCFM that do a lot of activism, though most members of the MRM probably aren’t too directly involved with them. Not unlike feminists really.
/r/MensRights06/04/20 10:16 PM
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I know, but when you talk about anti feminists in general there are definitely more misogynists than when you’re just talking about MRAs.
/r/MensRights06/04/20 03:51 AM
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So I haven’t met any MRAs but from what I’ve seen from them online, they have a tendency to believe in gender inequality meaning that men are superior and women are inferior and things like that. I’m guessing you’re confusing “anti feminist” with “MRA”. Other anti feminist groups like red pillers do indeed believe in gender inequality, but I’ve never met an MRA who did. We believe very strongly in equality.
/r/MensRights06/04/20 01:28 AM
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See, I think patriarchy is a blatant oversimplification of things. Men really haven't been historically on top. A few men sure, but most men have historically been working themselves to death so that their wives and children will survive. IMO patriarchy just isn't too accurate a word.
/r/MensRights06/04/20 01:16 AM
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This idea that women can’t defend themselves and men are stronger than them, thus men can’t be abused is a patriarchal concept. It really isn’t. It was popularized by the feminist Duluth model. Politicians later passed the Family Violence Prevention Act which was gender neutral, but feminists lobbied to replace it with the woman-favoring Violence Against Women Act. If these ideas are perpetuated by both men and women and affect both sexes, why is it called “patriarchy”? Doesn’t that imply men ar…
/r/MensRights06/04/20 12:59 AM
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Lol, 21st century feminism has been responsible for taking away the due process rights of men, thwarting attempts to give joint custody as a default, and violently protesting attempts to peacefully and politely talk about men’s issues. What exactly is it that they think is so great about 21st century feminism?
/r/FeminismStopsWhen06/04/20 12:09 AM
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lol, it’s their own movement’s fault for campaigning for birth control above all the advice for them to make sure it was safe!
/r/FeminismStopsWhen06/04/20 12:04 AM
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That’s very nice to hear! I think women like you in the movement have a lot of power in having the ability to help feminists come to terms with men’s issues. In my experience many of their types are quick to ignore men’s arguments as “mansplaining” and privileged whining, but voices like yours can sometimes be more liable to get to them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/20 09:57 PM
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Yeah, the people in charge of the feminist movement are the ones who are anti-male. Some people like Warren Farrell, Erin Pizzey, and Christina Hoff Sommers have tried to reform the movement, only to be utterly demonized and hated by feminist leaders. The movement continues to pass laws that harm men significantly. Feminism isn’t and never was actually about equality of the sexes.
/r/MensRights05/04/20 09:46 PM
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Feminists think men and only men need to micromanage every aspect of sex, and even if they do a woman has every right to decide the man is in the wrong.
/r/MensRights05/04/20 02:26 PM
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That’s not even true. Unbiased statistics generally conclude that perpetration rates are pretty equal.
/r/MensRights05/04/20 12:34 AM
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Doesn’t it still not include female rapists? It’s pretty much assumed that you have to use your penis to be considered a rapist.
/r/MensRights05/04/20 12:34 AM
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But feminists also act like it’s cut and dry. They treat it like monogamy and connecting sex with love is inherently oppressive towards women (though men still have to follow them). This is untrue for many people, and studies have shown a large fraction of people are hurt by that kind of sexuality.
/r/AntiFeminists05/04/20 12:28 AM
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Of course not. I’ve never met an MRA or antifeminist who thinks men have the right to rape women. Some of them do think that the feminist definition of rape is unfair, since, for instance, it treats consensual drunk sex where neither party is sober as rape of the woman by the man. I would agree that this is a hypocritical double standard. On the other hand, a lot of feminists do seem to think women have the right to rape men. Amy Schumer’s speech about how she, completely sober, had sex with a d…
/r/AntiFeminists04/04/20 03:48 PM
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It doesn’t matter what you believe. Feminism has indeed done that. Look at the Duluth model and the violence against women act, which default men as abusers and women as victims regardless of an individual situation. Look at the uses of Title IX to remove men’s constitutional right to due process. Like it or not feminism has done a lot to discriminate against men. That’s not an opinion, it’s a fact.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 02:26 PM
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As the saying goes, if everyone you meet is the problem, you’re probably the problem.
/r/MensRights03/04/20 10:43 PM
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Andrew Yang used to be anti-circumcision, but sadly he had to retract that claim after facing backlash.
/r/MensRights03/04/20 08:02 PM
2

It certainly contributed to my depression. I felt like as a man I was useless and inherently bad.
/r/MensRights03/04/20 01:13 PM
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Indeed. And yet people can turn a blind eye to these discriminatory trends and still insist feminism is only about equality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/20 12:51 PM
2

Thank you very much! We need more people like you.
/r/MensRights02/04/20 01:47 PM
5

They’ve wanted to destroy families for fifty years. It was stupid then and it’s still stupid now.
/r/AntiFeminists02/04/20 12:20 PM
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Good to see her back again!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/20 08:26 PM
9

MTF I assume?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/20 04:14 PM
2

Never seen it but it sounds like trash. I’m sick of the implication that having a career is inherently better than being a homemaker, and that enjoying one’s sexuality is inherently sexist. Definitely don’t plan on watching this one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/20 02:03 PM
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Not OP, but the whole widespread narrative where men have throughout history oppressed women, while ignoring the truly fatal tendencies of the male gender role and the genuine necessities to set certain roles, is a mindblowing piece of revisionism IMO. Also the feminist version totally erases the existence of the suffragists and pretends that the vote was solely the role of the suffragettes, while also denying the violence engaged in by the suffragettes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/20 03:40 AM
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God, those comments are disturbingly cold and un-empathetic. I understand not wanting to intervene too much, but they seem to have no sympathy whatsoever for men who are struggling with their mental health. Fortunately for us, AskWomen is a radfem cesspool. Most women are nothing like the ones there.
/r/MensRights01/04/20 02:17 AM
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Believe it or not no one supports “meninism”. That’s just a joke made up by trolls.
/r/MensRights31/03/20 05:49 PM
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Refreshing to see the word “rape” actually used for once.
/r/MensRights31/03/20 05:47 PM
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Because most MRAs genuinely strive for equality, and recognize the importance of listening to multiple perspectives to achieving that goal. They recognize that not everyone agrees with them but they think that their arguments are in an of themselves quite compelling, so they recognize that the best way to work towards equality is politely and civically explaining why their goals are beneficial. By contrast, most feminists strive for power. They want the ability to control the world around them. …
/r/MensRights31/03/20 02:23 PM
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It’s the pink pill word for “men”
/r/MensRights31/03/20 02:16 PM
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Lol, most of the Honey Badgers are in relationships and they’re loved by anti feminist communities. Pink pillers are delusional.
/r/MensRights31/03/20 02:16 PM
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Genital mutilation Acid attacks Forced military service Murder Trafficking Child labor
/r/MensRights31/03/20 02:14 PM
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That’s not even a real argument. All it’s really saying is “made to penetrate doesn’t count as rape” without providing any evidence for this claim.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/20 01:52 PM
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But those are the ones in power. That’s why Erin Pizzey was more or less kicked out of the movement.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 10:09 PM
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Interesting post. The one thing I don’t like is your implications of one-size-fits-all advice. I personally do not really prioritize sex, and find the notion of sex without strong emotional connection to be very uncomfortable and honestly pretty disgusting. So I don’t necessarily agree that I would be better off fucking some random person than waiting for the right woman. Still a lot of very interesting and productive ideas, though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/20 07:17 PM
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That line of thinking is straight from Mary Koss, a second wave feminist leader whose shoddy, debunked research is still used to this day to justify taking men’s due process rights away.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 02:49 PM
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I have fallen out with a good few ‘friends’ who disagree with me and call me a traitor to all women. This is such a backwards way of thinking. As if you owe anyone anything solely because of what’s under your pants. I’m grateful that women like you exist who don’t see me as a rapist in waiting solely because of my sex.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 02:46 PM
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Simple: it’s a massive violation of human rights. Infants are deprived of totally natural and totally healthy parts of their body without their consent for dubious reasons. The foreskin is among the most erogenous zones of the penis, meaning that circumcised men lose most of their sexual pleasure. This is no coincidence. Circumcision caught on in the early twentieth century precisely because it would make masturbation more difficult. Oh, and I suggest you try to watch an actual circumcision. Bet…
/r/MensRights30/03/20 02:06 PM
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The crazy thing is, even if he wasn’t being ironic that quote doesn’t come across as problematic to me. Its lesson is essentially “don’t abuse a man if you don’t want to face consequences.” Apparently even that gives women too much agency by SPLC standards.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 06:42 PM
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Good thought experiment. Even before I really knew much about the so-called gender wars, I always saw this a blind spot in the feminist movement. Most gender stereotypes tend to go both ways and put disadvantages on both sexes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 03:39 PM
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Usually right with you. That said I wanted to at least point out that their weird reasoning can occasionally lead to the right conclusions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 06:59 AM
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Eh, I figured that out years before I discovered this sub.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 04:39 AM
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They still refuse to use the word rape but it’s progress...
/r/MensRights29/03/20 01:14 AM
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Joined!
/r/MensRights28/03/20 10:44 PM
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They’re both feminists and sexists.
/r/MensRights28/03/20 10:44 PM
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Sadly some of the article is blocked by a paywall
/r/MensRights28/03/20 04:55 PM
1

Interesting writing. Yeah, as tends to be the case, the proposed solution to crimes is just putting more people in jail, which doesn’t really help much.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/20 01:36 PM
6

That’s comforting to hear.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/20 01:33 PM
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Utterly despicable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/20 03:22 AM
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Yep, they pull the fire alarm for no good reason when men decide to talk about their mental health.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen27/03/20 06:31 PM
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Yep, this is a disturbing proposal. And it’s part of why I can never ally with the right despite being critical of feminism. Conservatives seen to think money is more important than people’s safety.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/20 02:07 PM
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I have no strong opinion about Gamergate and I agree with you that there were a lot of trolls involved. Having said that, there’s definitely evidence that she might have faked some of the abuse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/20 01:58 PM
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A lot of the accusations just seem to be aimed at his “creepy” behavior. Yet no one ever called him out on it. Another example of feminists expecting men to intuit what is and isn’t okay to do, and how others will interpret their actions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/20 04:01 PM
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Excellent post. You make a good point about incel and feminist communities alike: most of their ranks are probably not abusive themselves, but their attitudes of hatred and dehumanization have the potential to make abuse come across as much more normalized and acceptable than it actually is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/20 03:58 PM
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I’d say I’m liberal, borderline centrist. Economics: The market must be monitored in order to run a functional society. Legal minimum wage is essential. There should also be a maximum wage, or at the very least billionaires’ profits should be largely taxed away. Healthcare: Absolutely should be free. Right now our healthcare system is disturbingly elitist. Education: Ideally it should be free, or at the very least more affordable than it is now. Immigration: Obviously we can’t have totally open …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/20 09:02 PM
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Those people are so stupid. Women are the majority of voters, so why are men at fault for laws that don’t benefit women enough?
/r/MensRights25/03/20 08:42 PM
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How so?
/r/MensRights25/03/20 07:10 PM
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Men dying, women most affected
/r/MensRights25/03/20 02:58 PM
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Of course 94% of pedophiles are men when all the female pedophiles seem to be let off the hook.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 02:57 PM
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Excellent post. Thank you!
/r/MensRights25/03/20 01:28 PM
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As horrible a crisis as it is I think the virus has been beneficial to western culture. With a real, genuine threat to worry about, most people (with some exceptions - cough Trump cough) have to put aside their petty arguments and attacks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/20 12:19 PM
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Xenophobic and sexist. Please don’t do this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/20 12:16 PM
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What do you think of paul Elam? Not generally a fan. I find his style too bombastic and unsympathetic. Having said that, I disagree with the popular claim that he’s a misogynist. This mostly stems from a satirical article critiquing a much meaner and more sexist feminist article. Are mrm trying to remove womens rights? Absolutely not. Unlike feminists, who have removed men’s right to due process and have fought fathers’ rights in favor of mothers’ rights, MRAs actually seek genuine equality. The…
/r/MensRights25/03/20 05:54 AM
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No offense, but if you’re actually a teacher you should probably work on your grammar.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 05:42 AM
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Nice, pressures to fix what isn’t broken combined with shaming men for not being “man” enough. Disgusting.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 02:50 AM
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Not true. The circumcised people there were given condoms and safe sex advice, while the intact ones were not. Also, the study was terminated before it was set to be completed. It’s not nearly strong enough grounds to warrant demands for circumcision.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 02:50 AM
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Lotion works fine for me.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 02:48 AM
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Good god, feminists only known a comical caricature of masculinity. That comment feels like a joke.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 02:47 AM
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That sub is for conservatism what TrollX is for feminism: a comical community that almost comes across as a caricature of the movement it represents and perfectly highlights the stupidest parts of the movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/20 12:13 AM
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You do you, but without movements like this there will never be the progress you wish for.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 11:45 PM
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That’s disgusting. Of course rapists would say their victims liked it!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/20 05:39 PM
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They are indeed a narrow majority. I don’t like the claim being used to justify discriminatory policies that many women don’t even agree with, but like it or not the statement in and of itself is indeed correct.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/20 04:02 PM
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Precisely. If a comment is stupid and easy to debunk, Redditors have no problem giving it the time of day and exposing its issues. But when they can’t think up a good argument, their solution isn’t questioning their preconceptions, it’s downvoting.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 04:13 AM
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Most here in the USA are associated with the highly feminist APA.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 01:46 AM
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Eh, it’s largely perpetuated by men but I’ve heard women refer to those boys as “lucky” too. IMO it’s an issue caused by society, not any one gender.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 12:49 AM
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When do MRAs blame women? Feminists sure. Feminist leaders like Mary Koss have directly stated that rape of a man by a woman is less serious. Men who tried to talk during MeToo were reprimanded for taking away from women’s conversations. Feminists have protested making rape laws gender neutral. But when do MRAs ever just blame women?
/r/MensRights23/03/20 09:49 PM
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Eh, I’ve seen it perpetuated by both sexes. I disagree with the idea that men are as a rule the ones who perpetuate it. And even if they did, so what? How does that change the problems faced by male rape victims?
/r/MensRights23/03/20 09:43 PM
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Good god, she sounds horrible. That’s a normal act of teenage rebellion regardless of gender. Not every impolite thing people do is related to having a problem with women.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 04:43 PM
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Yet they do exactly the same “man up” thing when men express anti feminist ideas or show insecurity about men’s issues.
/r/AntiFeminists22/03/20 11:11 PM
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Feminism has been successful precisely because we have a natural instinct to help women. When women say they need help, most people feel instant sympathy and a strong desire to give them that help. Even if their demands are ridiculous.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 04:48 PM
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Yet she’s still seen as an icon.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 04:46 PM
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I think many of those people vehemently anti-MRM just are misinformed and have misconceptions about For sure. Having said that I’ve also known a few hardcore feminists who have gotten upset by people so much as mentioning things like male suicide or job discrimination against men. Some people who see gender issues as a zero sum game do genuinely get upset by the concept of improving situations for men. Fortunately not too many people think that way, though unfortunately an awful lot of people in…
/r/MensRights22/03/20 03:07 AM
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Yeah... no. That’s the reason the MRM exists. People like Warren Farrell and Erin Pizzey wanted to incorporate men’s issues into the feminist movement, and were met with demonization and excommunication. Feminism at its core is a corrupt, power-hungry movement and though individual feminists may be sympathetic to us, the movement as a whole never will be.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 02:31 AM
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I’ve experienced the same among some people, though I’ve also experienced some people who are vehemently opposed to men’s rights. Out of curiosity what sort of things have you overheard?
/r/MensRights22/03/20 02:27 AM
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I disagree. If anything I think this virus will be good for men’s rights because in this time of genuine crisis, the general public will once again be forced to appreciate the value of the (mostly male) individuals who have to make profound sacrifices through labor to keep the country going.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 02:25 AM
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Mostly true, but there are a few articles about how the virus is unfair towards women.
/r/MensRights21/03/20 06:39 PM
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Some interesting ideas, but it perpetuates the debunked idea that men are significantly less likely than women to face assaults. Additionally it seems to overlook the emotional abuse enacted by women to a disturbing degree. Basically it concludes that because the men say they’re fine (while still acknowledging that they’re miserable in some ways) it’s no big deal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/20 01:05 AM
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The Honey Badgers sometimes do something called “feminist bingo” on their YouTube channel where they watch feminist videos and fill out a bingo square every time certain feminist buzzwords/phrases are used. It’s a sort of similar idea to yours.
/r/MensRights21/03/20 12:01 AM
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I love Cassie Jaye. She’s the person who the MRM needed.
/r/MensRights20/03/20 11:58 PM
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FGM - more or less every country that practices FGM also practices MGM. Stonings - Ditto. Also applies to men to at least as great an extent. Veil/headscarf/hijab - this can reasonably be seen as misogyny in my opinion, though it also reflects a fear of male sexuality. Female infanticide/abortion - This is generally the result of expectations that men will be providers and thus will care for the parents economically, while women will not contribute in such a way. This, raising a female will not …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/20 07:49 PM
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Yeah, true. And since the people raised in those environments tend to be elected into positions of authority (government, media, entertainment, etc.) I think the more rational majority is reluctant to confess its feelings out in the open.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/20 04:26 PM
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No OP isn’t. He’s saying that we shouldn’t celebrate Mother’s Day at all. Women who aren’t feminists and who treat their children well still deserve a holiday.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 04:09 PM
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Men dying, women most affected.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 03:44 PM
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“I personally haven’t experienced what you’re talking about, therefore it doesn’t exist!” God, people like that are insufferable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/20 02:54 PM
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I guess you’re right. When I’m in other environments (work, family life, etc.) I don’t feel that sense nearly as much. The world feels more feminist than it actually is given the bias found in politicians and media.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/20 02:52 PM
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Shame on you. People like you are the ones that give the men’s rights movement a bad rap.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 02:25 PM
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I was not aware of that, but I’m not surprised to find it out.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/20 01:35 PM
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Hmm, interesting. Concepts like patriarchy feel very much accepted to me, though that’s partly because I’m currently a college student and thus am in the midst of a lot of radfem types.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/20 03:14 AM
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Bringing up patriarchy 1st degree (seriously). What exactly do you mean by “patriarchy 1st degree”? Sorry, just kind of confused about that phrase.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/20 02:55 AM
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This. The hardcore feminists are nowhere near a majority of people, they just happen to be the ones with the most power. Having said that, I think it’s comparatively hard to get people to genuinely care about helping men, as opposed to simply thinking it would be good if they had it better. As humans we have a biological desire to protect women and children that doesn’t exist as strongly in regards to men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/20 02:51 AM
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I think most of the so-called feminist grassroots movement doesn’t necessary hate men, it just distrusts them and couldn’t care less if they’re struggling. Now some feminist leaders and a fraction of “normie” feminists absolutely do hate men; read feminist-run studies and that is obvious. “Anti-feminist” is a very broad term. It ranges from alt-right types who absolutely despise Muslim and immigrant men as well as having reactionary gender politics, to more liberal types like most of us here who…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/20 10:41 PM
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Yes, I’ve never been a fan of Paul politically, other than his takes on gender issues. It’s fucked up that in a time of this much crisis and instability, people actually think it’s appropriate to make healthcare more difficult to access. And I find it disturbing how normalized it is that such a small percentage of people are hoarding so much wealth.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/20 10:34 PM
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Women aren’t bad but this woman certainly is.
/r/MensRights17/03/20 09:28 PM
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Lmao, pro-feminism is anything but anti-sexism.
/r/MensRights17/03/20 09:26 PM
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That seems to be a trend in the so-called sex positivity culture. It focuses almost exclusively on women’s perspective and has no problem when this comes at the expense of men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/20 03:10 PM
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Roosh V DESPISES the men’s rights movement. There’s no way I can take this seriously.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/20 01:13 PM
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Baseless IMO. I’ve never seen anything implying supremacy from the NCFM. I don’t think most of the statistics I’ve seen are cherry-picked. In any case even if they were, a lot of feminist data is indisputably cherry-picked. If they held themselves to the same standards they held others to, they’d make their list. By the way, even if they were spreading false information, that doesn’t make them “hateful” or practicing male supremacy. I see no real evidence that they actually hold bigoted views.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/20 01:13 PM
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ENFORCED Masculinity can be harmful. But men who genuinely prefer dealing with life in a masculine way are not inherently toxic. And by the way, studies have shown that it’s healthy for boys to play rough. It helps them establish boundaries. Shaming normal masculine behavior is far more harmful to men than encouraging it. Masculinity is not inherently violent except when violence is necessary. On the contrary, masculinity revolves around protecting others, particularly women. That’s why the ster…
/r/MensRights15/03/20 11:24 PM
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Here’s a copy of my response to a question a few days ago, in regards to feminism: There are plenty of individual feminists who want to help men. However, as a movement feminism has done far more to hurt men than to help us. Just as examples: • It created the Duluth model, a system which asserts that men are the perpetrators of any given domestic violence situation • It amended the gender-neutral Family Violence Act into the gendered Violence Against Women Act, which removed the necessity for do…
/r/MensRights15/03/20 11:20 PM
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Eh, it’s pretty common in YouTube commenters in my experience.
/r/MensRights15/03/20 06:15 PM
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And even with that, I’ve known plenty of women who always wear the same dress to events. Few people care. I’d argue that this stems more from personal insecurities than anything else.
/r/MensRights15/03/20 06:10 PM
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Provider? Not so much, I grant this one. Unless a woman who you’re in a relationship with wants to sacrifice her work life for activism or finding herself. Or when she wants an abortion or birth control and doesn’t want to pay for it. If you refuse to fund that, you’re a reactionary misogynist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/20 04:15 PM
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I’ve been opposed to feminism for awhile now. It started around 2013-2014, when I was in eighth grade and a few girls in my class were getting very into the feminist movement. They were shamelessly misandrist to the point that they claimed that there were no societal issues affecting men and that if there were, men probably deserved it. Another red flag was the reactions to the all-female Ghostbusters movie trailer a few years later. In my experience, most people critical of it (myself included)…
/r/MensRights15/03/20 01:01 PM
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A few stick out to me: The fact that so many people genuinely think that women do not rape/abuse men. It’s troubling how easy it is for people to handwave that crime away. Circumcision. I find it disturbing that the idea of a sensitive, functional part of a male’s genitals being painfully and non-consensually removed is so normalized in our society. The education gap. Boys and men are so underrepresented in the education system, and boys have even been confirmed to get lower grades for the same …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/20 12:45 PM
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Did you respond explaining why that was false?
/r/MensRights15/03/20 12:38 PM
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Not a fan. Seems to encourage the worst of both sides of the so-called gender wars.
/r/MensRights15/03/20 04:24 AM
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71% liberal feminism, 61% traditionalism for me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/20 01:16 AM
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These are points which I will not argue because the historical record holds overwhelming, devastating evidence of their truth. It’s convenient how feminists can always handwave any unfounded statements they make with “because I said so”.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/20 10:36 PM
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Obviously the second, because women are valuable and deserve the world and men are trash and deserve nothing! /s
/r/FeminismStopsWhen14/03/20 10:10 PM
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This honestly makes me feel sad for her. She’s been conditioned to fear men so much that even men who have sacrificed large fractions of their lives to save hers are scary to her.
/r/MensRights14/03/20 09:34 PM
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What the fuck? Men are far, far more at risk of unsolicited violent crime than women are.
/r/AntiFeminists14/03/20 04:33 PM
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Your description is exactly my thoughts.
/r/MensRights14/03/20 04:22 PM
4

I thought these people said it was empowering for women to do more work?
/r/MensRights14/03/20 03:30 PM
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There are plenty of individual feminists who want to help men. However, as a movement feminism has done far more to hurt men than to help us. Just as examples: It created the Duluth model, a system which asserts that men are the perpetrators of any given domestic violence situation It amended the gender-neutral Family Violence Act into the gendered Violence Against Women Act, which removed the necessity for domestic violence resources not to discriminate by gender It led to the Dear Colleague le…
/r/MensRights14/03/20 02:14 PM
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Interesting how articles like this only reinforce the traditional gender roles which feminism claims it’s against.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/20 01:56 PM
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I’m circumcised but I’m “lucky” enough to at least have the frenulum left. I’m sorry yours had to be taken from you without your consent because yes, it’s a very sensitive part. I hope we can live in a future where that doesn’t happen to any baby boy. Male (and female) genital cutting is truly reprehensible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/20 05:07 AM
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Maybe you could start out? Always nice to get the ball rolling.
/r/MensRights14/03/20 02:03 AM
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How the hell do these kinds of people live with themselves? This is empathy gap in action. Men are disproportionately dying and the feminist movement is most concerned with the ways which their deaths will make life harder for women.
/r/MensRights14/03/20 02:02 AM
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If you’re a liberal who thinks feminism has gone too far sometimes, i highly recommend checking out r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
/r/MensRights14/03/20 02:01 AM
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Parts of this are a little oversimplified towards a feminist bent, but still generally a good message.
/r/MensRights14/03/20 02:00 AM
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It was anti-man to want the right to vote without the responsibility men had to register for the draft, yes. I don’t have an issue with wanting women in sports but trying to force quotas so that women are inserted instead of men regardless of qualifications is anti-man. (Also, the second wave is what popularized bullshit ideas like rape culture and patriarchy theory.)
/r/MensRights14/03/20 01:19 AM
5

What sorts of posts of that variety are on here?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/20 12:14 AM
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I think you might have something there. I spent years thinking the penis was an ugly body part based on my own. Believe it or not I didn’t have any idea what an intact penis looked like until I got into the men’s right movement, and I realized the awkward coloring and shape really weren’t apparent the way the body naturally looks. Similarly I always assumed chafing was just part of being a man. My dad always said it was when I was growing up; all of the men in my family are circumcised to the be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/20 07:26 PM
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The worst part is that I keep seeing that add on Honey Badger streams. Sorry YouTube, you can't force your ideology on me.
/r/MensRights13/03/20 04:51 AM
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r/SorryIHaveAPenis Disappointed that isn't a real sub...
/r/MensRights13/03/20 04:48 AM
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Good for her. My respect for her is growing.
/r/MensRights13/03/20 04:42 AM
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You're acting no better than a feminist.
/r/MensRights13/03/20 04:41 AM
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I'm jealous of all you intact guys.
/r/MensRights13/03/20 04:40 AM
4

Nice to hear! Sadly my experience here in college in America isn't the same.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/20 03:40 AM
3

He’s a smart man.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen13/03/20 12:53 AM
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Good post. It’s easy for me to feel tempted to show consideration towards Billie, given that she’s very young (younger then I am, and I’m on the younger side myself). Having said that, it’s not complicated to understand that speaking out against injustices and double standards while perpetuating exactly the same kind of double standard towards another group is hypocritical. She absolutely could be more considerate if she wanted to be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/20 09:00 PM
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That is very much my experience. The fact that it seems to use the conclusions to determine how the evidence is interpreted, instead of the other way around, definitely puts it more on par with religion than science.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/20 08:16 PM
3

TakedownMRAs is one of the most sickening trolls online. Right up there with David Futrelle.
/r/AntiFeminists12/03/20 06:40 PM
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No, buzzwords are a cheap tactic to prevent critical thinking. Out avoidance of using them is part of what makes us better than feminists.
/r/MensRights12/03/20 04:17 PM
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Now they’re telling the fucking Duluth model to first graders? I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
/r/MensRights11/03/20 11:02 PM
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This is a good thing to show people who claim that feminism back in the day was about real equality.
/r/MensRights11/03/20 10:59 PM
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That’s probably because feminists don’t constantly tell you how dangerous it is. Women are far less likely to be victims of street violence. Whether they fear it is irrelevant to who has it easy or hard.
/r/MensRights11/03/20 10:55 PM
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What exactly differentiates it from r/MensLibWatch?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/20 08:43 PM
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That’s a very good piece. Clearly this writer has a very strong understanding of the feminist movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/20 04:09 PM
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Good thinking! I think I’ll even add a flair category related to that.
/r/MensRights11/03/20 12:16 PM
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Eh, I only just left Tumblr and in my experience they haven’t improved too much. You can find good posts if you look for it though.
/r/MensRights11/03/20 01:57 AM
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Update: Here's the article in question: https://nypost.com/2020/01/11/why-todays-young-men-are-terrified-of-sex/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/20 01:48 AM
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To the best of my recollection she didn’t outright say that, but yes, she did highlight young men’s potential treatment of women more than anything else. There wasn’t much focus on the men’s well being. I’ll check again later. I definitely don’t love everything about HBR either, particularly when it comes to their economic views. I love their perspectives on gender though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/20 11:55 PM
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Women have their genitals mutilated in some countries, Saudi Arabia for example. True, and that's a concern. But men also have their genitals mutilated in those countries and many more. Not sure what is meant by lack of social support. Men and women have access to the same support systems in most cases. Men just seek them out less often. Many examples of social support, such as domestic violence facilities, are reserved primarily or exclusively for women. What kind of legal descrimination? If yo…
/r/MensRights10/03/20 08:04 PM
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Oh, and this article that’s posted every year on International Women’s Day has an incredibly hateful and misandrist rhetoric.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/20 03:57 PM
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Oh, and here are some defending the phrase “men are trash”: https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/interface/2019/10/3/20895119/facebook-men-are-trash-hate-speech-zuckerberg-leaked-audio https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/philosophy/men-are-trash-philosophy-dating-hate-speech https://mg.co.za/article/2017-05-19-00-not-all-men-misses-the-point/?amp https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/why-men-are-really-trash_uk_5ae97b12e4b081860d8ca14d/ I also recommend checking out the Honey Badgers’ YouTu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/20 05:13 AM
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Good idea! The Jezebel one about beating your boyfriend that Paul Elam still gets flack for satirizing is an obvious one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/20 07:49 PM
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Fighting sexism (which, by the way, has been proven not only not to exist, but to be the reverse of the claim) with more sexism. What could go wrong?! /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/20 07:43 PM
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Also feminists: Amy Schumer isn’t a rapist! Or in the case of the second wave, women are incapable of raping!
/r/AntiFeminists09/03/20 03:37 PM
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Precisely. I think female candidates would do a lot better if their candidacy didn’t revolve around the fact that they were female.
/r/MensRights09/03/20 02:52 PM
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Good but would be even better if aspects like discrimination in education systems, prison incarceration, workplace fatalities, suicide, homicide, and the like were put in.
/r/AntiFeminists09/03/20 07:17 AM
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Yeah, they’re not a perfect movement but they always seemed better than feminists to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/20 05:50 AM
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Excellent video!
/r/MensRights09/03/20 05:38 AM
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Then if they both separately want to keep the child, the courts will almost always side with her.
/r/MensRights08/03/20 09:14 PM
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I’m guessing those same people will make posts mocking men’s day once it comes. By contrast, pretty much all the posts I’m seeing here on women’s day are either totally celebratory or along the lines of “we’re happy to celebrate you, but we’d like you to appreciate us too.” Their projection is hilarious.
/r/MensRights08/03/20 09:12 PM
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There are occasional good discussions, but usually they’re so wrapped up in woman worsting (in other words, regardless of the situation they’re convinced that women have it harder than men) that nothing too productive comes out of the sub. They’re way too apologetic towards feminist theory and their censorship is insane.
/r/MensRights08/03/20 06:03 PM
1

Well, you don’t deserve any of the awful things they wish on you. Hope you’re having a great day!
/r/MensRights08/03/20 05:45 PM
2

Absolutely. Shout out to the following women: The Honey Badgers, particularly Karen, Allison, Hannah, and the Prim Reaper Cassie Jaye Erin Pizzey Christina Hoff Summers My mom. She sacrificed a lot to raise me. She’s the one who taught me the importance of genuine equality, and why I had no obligation to follow the biased feminist narrative. I’m sure some feminists would call her a gender traitor, but I think she’s one to the strongest women I’ve ever known. My closest friend. She and I don’t ag…
/r/MensRights08/03/20 05:07 PM
2

Absolutely. Shout out to the following women: The Honey Badgers, particularly Karen, Allison, Hannah, and the Prim Reaper Cassie Jaye Erin Pizzey Christina Hoff Summers My mom. She sacrificed a lot to raise me. She’s the one who taught me the importance of genuine equality, and why I had no obligation to follow the biased feminist narrative. I’m sure some feminists would call her a gender traitor, but I think she’s one to the strongest women I’ve ever known. My closest friend. She and I don’t ag…
/r/MensRights08/03/20 05:07 PM
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Absolutely. Shout out to the following women: The Honey Badgers, particularly Karen, Allison, Hannah, and the Prim Reaper Cassie Jaye Erin Pizzey Christina Hoff Summers My mom. She sacrificed a lot to raise me. She’s the one who taught me the importance of genuine equality, and why I had no obligation to follow the biased feminist narrative. I’m sure some feminists would call her a gender traitor, but I think she’s one to the strongest women I’ve ever known. My closest friend. She and I don’t ag…
/r/MensRights08/03/20 05:06 PM
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Absolutely. Shout out to the following women: The Honey Badgers, particularly Karen, Allison, Hannah, and the Prim Reaper Cassie Jaye Erin Pizzey Christina Hoff Summers My mom. She sacrificed a lot to raise me. She’s the one who taught me the importance of genuine equality, and why I had no obligation to follow the biased feminist narrative. I’m sure some feminists would call her a gender traitor, but I think she’s one to the strongest women I’ve ever known. My closest friend. She and I don’t ag…
/r/MensRights08/03/20 05:06 PM
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Absolutely. Shout out to the following women: The Honey Badgers, particularly Karen, Allison, Hannah, and the Prim Reaper Cassie Jaye Erin Pizzey Christina Hoff Summers My mom. She sacrificed a lot to raise me. She’s the one who taught me the importance of genuine equality, and why I had no obligation to follow the biased feminist narrative. I’m sure some feminists would call her a gender traitor, but I think she’s one to the strongest women I’ve ever known. My closest friend. She and I don’t ag…
/r/MensRights08/03/20 05:03 PM
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Not cool. Equality means women too.
/r/MensRights08/03/20 04:34 PM
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I don’t like it. It’s exclusive by definition. The way the English language works, an adjective without a modifier is generally assumed to be all-encompassing (i.e. “my shirt is blue” brings to mind an image of a solid blue shirt, not a blue and red striped shirt). To be honest, three years ago, before I was too knowledgeable about either feminism or the MRM, the slogan was really what pushed me firmly towards the antifeminist end of the culture wars. I especially worry about its effect on young…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/20 04:32 PM
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I’m sure it’s somewhat related to the scholarships for women. Plus, the feminist influence of academia could possibly influence more women to find higher education appealing than men. I’m not sure why else.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/20 04:11 AM
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As a man I’ve literally been called everything on the list. And guess what? I responded each time by reflecting on myself and taking the effort to self-improve. It’s crazy how feminism is so strongly opposed to basic human decency (from women, that is. Men have to be white knights in shining armor ready to save the poor helpless yet empowered women from manspreading and air conditioning.)
/r/MensRights08/03/20 01:28 AM
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Yeah, given that his main concern was with people working, I have a feeling if he lived today he’d fall more on the MRA end of the gender debate than the feminist one.
/r/MensRights07/03/20 11:31 PM
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I don’t like them when someone else is around. It’s fine if other people want to use them, though.
/r/MensRights07/03/20 11:30 PM
2

Huh? I read your comment three times and I still am not quite sure what you’re saying.
/r/MensRights07/03/20 11:24 PM
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Ironically, pretending it’s impossible to be biased against men is itself biased against men.
/r/MensRights07/03/20 03:00 AM
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It’s hard for me to say. Perhaps shelters for those with very dysfunctional learning conditions would be nice. Obviously a general overhaul of culture to diminish the pressure for men to provide and sacrifice would be particularly beneficial to those with learning disabilities. Finally, I’ve already discussed this here before, but I think we need to address the issue of creep shaming. As I’ve mentioned many times, men with learning and social disabilities are disproportionately likely to unwitti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/20 01:51 AM
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I absolutely hate it. It implies that raising a family is not worthwhile and being exploited for labor is inherently better. Incidentally this rhetoric is what turned my mom anti feminist. She always said motherhood was by far the most fulfilling aspect of her life and thought it was insulting that feminism has worked so hard to bring shame on it.
/r/MensRights06/03/20 08:47 PM
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I'm sick of "femicide" being used to refer to ANY murder of a woman.
/r/MensRights06/03/20 01:50 PM
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Thanks for your letter. You sound like a very kind person, and I absolutely support you. I do not however support your movement as a whole. Throughout its history it has done far more to hurt men than to help us. It's responsible for the Duluth model, which assumes that in any given circumstance of domestic violence the man is always to blame. It's responsible for the Violence Against Women Act, which amended a gender-neutral law to turn it gendered. It's responsible for recent usages of Title I…
/r/MensRights06/03/20 05:06 AM
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There's a LOT of projection regarding how feminists think society views women. They claim that their patriarchy puts down femininity, disapproves of motherhood, and makes women feel constantly afraid. All of those are actions which are routinely enacted by the feminist movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/20 09:53 PM
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This is pathetic. A lot of things here (unnecessary modesty, repeating what others said) are not gendered at all in my experience. And I usually see dads demonized as deadbeats no matter how much effort they put in. I don’t understand why some feminists think dads are so over praised (other than the zero sum game perspective they have in which they think any attention at all towards men inherently takes away from attention towards women).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/20 07:31 PM
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Thanks for your perspectives! Oops, Spunout is just bolded because it was on MensLib. Not sure why it is there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/20 06:34 PM
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Probably, but I’m not sure this is the appropriate subreddit for discussing that? I don’t see a connection to men’s issues...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/20 03:55 AM
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SHOUT: Ditto. SANEline: Looks pretty good. Suicide Prevention Bristol: Mostly looks okay. Childline: I guess it looks fine. OpenCounseling: A way to find counselors. No complaints here. PAPYRUS: Looks good for the most part. That said the site presents suicide explicitly as a non-gendered issue, which is misleading. Depression Alliance: Looks quite good. http://www.thecalmzone.net/: Doesn't look especially helpful to me, but doesn't look harmful either. Bipolar UK: Looks fine. Again I don't know…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/20 10:53 PM
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It mostly seems fine, with some terrible ones here and there. Here's my take on the mental health-based resources: Next Gen Men Canada: As has been pointed out by another user, this seems to be your typical anti-male anti-masculinity organization. Men's Action Network Ireland: Seems okay, albeit too apologetic towards feminist organizations than would truly be beneficial. Men's Development Network Ireland: Seems to be mostly focused on making men not abuse women. Not especially helpful to men in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/20 10:53 PM
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