Guns and the Decline of the Young Man

2012-12-17T19:56:06+00:00

Young men are ostracized by society at large. There are no safe spaces for men in western society, no vocational training for men as the jobs have been shipped overseas. If you're not good at math or science, or great at sports in high school, you may as not exist in the eyes of society.

Young men are stigmatized in regards to their mental health. Overactive? Medicate. Angry? Incarcerate and medicate. Feeling down? Medicate.

Society only give a shit about you if you can give it cash and doesn't give a shit any other way. If you're a man and not an industrious bee, you don't exit as an adult.

I always got the feeling that people got behind the soldier being a good vocation in the past 20 years because there is nothing for young men to do for 4-6 years between 18-24 other than college. Young men aren't prepared for the life that awaits them today and I'm not sure how to fix this.

RedditBlueit · 2012-12-17T18:38:44+00:00

This is what passes for critical thinking at Princeton?

Limiting access to weapons is certainly a pragmatic albeit incomplete solution to the United States’ propensity for murder.

Pragmatic? Tell me a practical method for limiting access to the 100 million existing firearms. Bonus points if it actually inconveniences criminals more than lawful citizens. Additional bonus points if it's even faintly constitutional.

If the soldier has largely been replaced by the video game character, if the ladies have proven that they can raise the children alone, if the corporation no longer offers the possibility of upward mobility and some level of respect that comes with title, if someone else can bring home the bacon, what is left for them?

All this, and they still are not allowed to cry.

Damn, just as I'm building a full head of steam, she makes a point that makes sense, and I happen to agree with.

An absolutely essential problem that contemporary feminism(s) must address is the new and changing status of young (and old) men that results from our successes as women. If we do not help make a space in which they can maintain some kind of self-respect in the world we are forcing them to share, we will suffer for it.

Ah, now I see. The Womyn will save us! If they don't, we losers might kill them! They can frame the source of the problem to avoid any culpability. It's women's successes that bother men, not women's successes due to discrimination against men.

The same cannot be said for many young men in the region, who are often absent fathers of multiple children by multiple women, unemployed or underemployed, sullen and full of rage.

Those poor women, victimized by young men who are unemployed or underemployed, sullen and full of rage. They barely make ends meet on child support coerced from fathers who cannot see their children, or government assistance. Fortunately, there's another one on the way, courtesy of the latest live in boyfriend.

There is also the issue of race. Not all of the men I listed in the beginning of this piece are Caucasian. However, take a moment and imagine what the archetypical image of a mass murderer in the United States looks like. Is he white in your mind? This stereotype can only be attributed to the truth of those patterns that have established themselves, from Charles Whitman’s 1966 shooting spree at the University of Texas, to Timothy McVeigh’s 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, to the 1999 Columbine massacre. The mass murderer is a type. And his race is white.

"Attributed to the truth of those patterns..."

Except that Seung-Hui Cho (who she names) was Korean, and John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo (who she does not) were African American. Cho was responsible for 32 deaths, and Muhammad and Malvo 10 deaths. Timothy McVeigh killed far more, but didn't use gun.

The angry black man has been usurped by the angry white man.

Only because the only thing more disposable than a man is a minority man, especially a poor minority man. Feminism's greatest successes in replacing men with government assistance has been in that community, with disastrous results.

Like victors that force the failed enemy army to parade its loss before them, our society taunts them everyday with symbols of their decline. Those symbols and the symbols of our success are one and the same.

Notice the finesse: it's society that taunts these men, but our (women's) success. No culpability here, no ma'am!

2012-12-17T20:12:44+00:00

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2012-12-17T19:55:25+00:00

The angry white man has usurped the angry black man.

And neither will ever have anything on the angry Asian man.

dungone · 2012-12-17T21:22:12+00:00

However, young women are equally exposed to many of the same conditions yet rarely turn a weapon on others. This leaves us wondering about the young men.

That would be a very good question if it weren't so loaded. How is it that we have an unhinged divorced gun nut mother who decides to home-school her autistic son and teach him that the world is coming to an end, but this prompts people to guess at the inherent flaws in Patriarchal men versus the innocent women? Women actually commit the majority of child homicides. There's plenty of introspection to be had about each one of our roles in society, not just for men.

DavidByron · 2012-12-17T22:16:49+00:00

TIL if someone of my sex does something wrong it must be because I am inherently evil.

Actually if a woman does something wrong it also turns out to be because men are inherently evil.

2012-12-17T19:20:04+00:00

Again with the meme that white men are going bananas because they are losing their power. Well, since it's bound to be pure projection, at least that tells something about what's going on in feminism right now.

2012-12-17T19:58:21+00:00

I would argue that maleness and whiteness are commodities in decline.

Some of these mass shooters had talents other than being male and white. It would be good for us to remember that. Even history's worst monsters often have skills.

Who feels himself becoming unnecessary?

This dumb bitch is a French professor. She is the very definition of unnecessary.

those who have not yet put themselves in the position of a person who is losing their power and those who can aim a gun at someone without imagining themselves on the other end of the barrel

The day I point a gun at someone it will not be because of an imagined loss of male powers that feminists masturbate to. It will be because that person posed a threat to me or my loved ones. At that point, empathy goes out the window and I will do whatever I must to ensure the safety of myself and my loved ones.

Kozbot · 2012-12-17T21:02:35+00:00

This shooting had NOTHING to do with feminism, men's rights, changing gender attitudes and frankly to say it did is insulting and fucking moronic. This was one sick, disturbed, and mentally ill person who snapped.

Title	Guns and the Decline of the Young Man
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Date	December 17, 2012 5:55 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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